1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:14,119 in the UK and around the world. You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio 3 00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:36,159 Network. Hello, is that the famous astronova, Sir Patrick Hall, It 4 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:45,880 is much so any mules on the space front. ROUFS has just designed and 5 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:51,560 developed five igantic stead of the art rocket ships. All members have pollowed, 6 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:55,840 along with the American Senate, have first class tickets of all them. You 7 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:02,640 see, they're told they're going to the moon. Old where exactly where they 8 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:10,200 going? Sir Patrick? Then you are normally discover plitiously astronomosis, a huge 9 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:53,920 black hole. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a wonderful gentleman with us today. 10 00:01:55,599 --> 00:01:59,719 His name is Mike Fiortio. Is that how he's t announce it? 11 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:08,919 It's enough, fioris Mike fo and we're here to discuss his book For All 12 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:14,520 We Know, which is released in April, A wonderful book. I haven't 13 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,080 finished reading it, but I've started reading it and it's absolutely beautiful. You 14 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:23,840 have a lovely way of writing from the eye factor eyes worked through his eyes. 15 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:29,120 Do you know it's interesting, Mike, because before we begin I've adopted 16 00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:32,759 that myself, using the eye, and I tend to feel Although people state 17 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:38,319 that writing that way through the eyes of your character is restrictive, I don't 18 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:43,199 think it is because it gives more. I believe it gives more of an 19 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,919 emotional buzz to the character himself. You gain more of a feeling from the 20 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,840 character than from looking at it at a perspective, you know, from a 21 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:55,120 distance. So right, okay, So this book, for all we know, 22 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:02,159 I think it's beautifully written. Ladies and Gentlemen, comes out in April, 23 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,759 and can you tell us a little bit about it? Right? I 24 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,759 know that it's to do with UFOs, but I get the feeling as I'm 25 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:15,280 reading it it's more to do with oneself. This this power is joined between 26 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:21,520 us, and it's and it's not entirely what we think it is. Can 27 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:27,240 you explain about your book and what drove you to write it? Sure? 28 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,520 Well, thank you, and first of all, thank you so much for 29 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,960 having me on. It's such a pleasure to be here. And yeah, 30 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:39,120 it was a very conscious decision to choose the first person. And it's funny 31 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,719 because people will read it and say, well, it's it's that a memoir 32 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,039 and I wanted it to read like a memoir. Of course it has autobiographical 33 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:53,159 details, but it's not a memoir. It's for the reasons that you you 34 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:59,879 stated that there's an urgency and there's an intimacy. It was very important from 35 00:03:59,879 --> 00:04:05,039 me to to try to write this as beautifully and poetically as I could, 36 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:11,080 So that was very important. Yeah, I do. I'm a music journalist. 37 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,719 I'll get to the book. I'll get to the book, I promise. 38 00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:16,879 I'm a music journalist, and I often write. I'll write in the 39 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:24,720 first person. So it's a little it might take someone a little bit by 40 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:30,120 surprise that you're writing so much, you're putting infusing so much of yourself in 41 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,199 the writing, but I think it personalizes it and it depends me to you 42 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:38,560 and now we're in a conversation. I've done writing in the third person as 43 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,920 well, of course, so the intention, you know, just the very 44 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:48,639 title itself for all we know. I make it very clear from the outset 45 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:54,360 that this character is very skeptical, and I wanted that to be a theme 46 00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:59,279 throughout the book. He's very skeptical. Well, he's probably not trustworthy either. 47 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,639 I wanted to make the character a little suspect, but he's skeptical. 48 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:11,879 He has a hard time believing what people say are true. He's he wants 49 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,920 to mhm. It's about a spiritual journey. So to me, the UFO 50 00:05:17,079 --> 00:05:23,399 path is a spiritual journey once you come upon the revelation, and you know, 51 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:26,759 a lot of it ron comes to me through dreams. That's that's where 52 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,600 I make deep connections. I have very powerful UFO dreams. I very I 53 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:38,319 keep a dream journal, but my UFO dreams are very powerful and a lot 54 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,879 of the source of the book comes from that, as actually other books as 55 00:05:42,879 --> 00:05:47,959 well. So it's it's about how what I wanted also to express is that. 56 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:55,319 And I've seen you know, senior documentary interdimensional connections. Yes, and 57 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:59,759 uh so, and I saw that just last week, I think. But 58 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:04,079 there's so much we have, there's a lot of consensus. So to me, 59 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:12,040 it's not just this shiny object up in the sky. That's one incarnation, 60 00:06:12,199 --> 00:06:16,000 that's one manifestation. It's also very much about the every day, the 61 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:23,000 opportunity every day to have spiritual transformation. Yes, that could occur in different 62 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:28,199 ways. It could occur through could occur through meditation, it could occur through 63 00:06:28,199 --> 00:06:32,800 being in a church and seeing the magnificence of the interior of a church, 64 00:06:32,879 --> 00:06:42,079 hearing the music. It could occur through taking a psychedelic substance. Yes, 65 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,759 so you do mention them in acquire a lot in your bookcas I had about 66 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:49,560 one of his friends suggesting demons and then they appeared, didn't they And he 67 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:56,800 got absolutely ticked off. You know that was beautifully Yes, I won't, 68 00:06:57,319 --> 00:07:00,839 I won't spoil it for the lists. Well, thank you. And the 69 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:09,079 idea was to it's not to sensationalize these substances. In fact, I think 70 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,959 they're very sacred, and you look at cultures around the world who have consumed 71 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:18,800 sacred plants and different many different kinds of plants. Yes, I agree, 72 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:24,480 absolutely, And it's just another vehicle, you know, dreams, that's another 73 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,279 vehicle. So I wanted to capture the in a sense, not just the 74 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:35,000 one instance of beings entering into your space, into your apartment, into your 75 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:40,120 world, although that also may happen too. I wanted to express to people 76 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:47,720 there are many ways to approach this subject because I think that I understand people's 77 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:54,120 skepticism. I understand it, you know, and it's complicated, very complicated. 78 00:07:54,639 --> 00:08:00,000 I wanted to give people an opportunity to approach this subject with an open 79 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:05,199 mind, maybe with a sense of humor, maybe relate to the character, 80 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:11,680 and then perhaps consider this subject in a different way. So that was really 81 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,319 my goal, and I didn't want it to be academic. I didn't want 82 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:16,319 it to be a lecture. I wanted to do it through a narrative to 83 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:20,040 telling your story before you go on. I think that's very interesting because I 84 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:26,639 think the consensus of it now it was in the seventies, but it was 85 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:31,960 dismissed. There was an author who suggested the fact that in fact, a 86 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,639 number of them, Jack Valley is one of them. But the fact that 87 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,799 this is not entirely what we think we're dealing with, and I personally have 88 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:48,080 come across a few signatures of this phenomena, we'll call it a phenomena which 89 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:54,200 betray the fact that it's not what we think it is. So I think 90 00:08:54,240 --> 00:09:00,159 it's beautiful how you've you shaped your book around this, this person, this 91 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:05,799 character who has a mother who is very practical, she's only interested in what 92 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,919 you can get on the table, and a father who is pleased that he's 93 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:16,399 looking into space. But the same token, a practical kind of science to 94 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,399 it and not the exotic. So I think this character you have has got 95 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,879 so much against him and he's going through this life, you know, taking 96 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:31,440 also the psychedelics, which as an actual fact, I believe does break down 97 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:35,960 reality from here because if you've composed this beautifully, because what you're stating is 98 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,720 that we see the world reality is in us. This is how we view 99 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:43,440 the world, so it's us. So when you take these substances, it 100 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,840 breaks down that kind of reality and it's always reshaped to different kinds of perspectives. 101 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:54,879 But what's interesting is the UFO film. What you're stating is it can 102 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,799 be many different things depending on state of mind you see. This is this 103 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,159 is how I think it works. And I think what you've done in this 104 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:07,919 book of yours for all we know, is beautifully and I'm ladies and gentlemen, 105 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:11,759 it's already receiving love letters from people who are reading it. It's addictive 106 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,000 and it's going to be absolutely if. It's a beautiful book. The cover 107 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:20,440 is gorgeous as well. The artwork. It's of course I love artwork. 108 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:26,240 So what compelled you to write it? So I started? I have to 109 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:30,799 confess, you know, first of all. I just to give some context, 110 00:10:30,919 --> 00:10:35,679 I was a philosophy major when I went to college. Undergraduate, I 111 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:41,240 did go back to school and I got my master's in literature. What compelled 112 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:45,440 me to write it? I've long been interested, very interested in science, 113 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,399 have read about science, have also been a science fiction fan. Yes, 114 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:54,919 very much interested in the spiritual path as much as you know, I've slipped 115 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,559 all my life as well. As my ex wife said when we broke up, 116 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:01,639 you know, she became a Buddhist. And I said, oh, 117 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:05,360 you know, I was always into Buddhism. You know, didn't you know 118 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:07,919 that when we were together. She said, you were a bad Buddhist. 119 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:15,440 So it made that disrespect have a punch, isn't it. Well, you 120 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:16,759 know, and it's true. You know, I was young, it was 121 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:22,759 naive, I was inexperienced. Yeah, all these things. So I would 122 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:28,399 say about you know, when when the New York Times report came out, 123 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,840 the Nimits report, you know, I had just begun getting interested at that 124 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:41,080 time. I hadn't seriously read on the subject, to be honest. Yeah, 125 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:46,320 when that report came out and then other, uh other reports surfaced, 126 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:50,879 I then began Also, I should say in New York City where I live. 127 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:56,000 There, we've had these Anomalist conferences. So there's a James I and 128 00:11:56,039 --> 00:12:03,919 Doli A and uh some other folks have put on these wonderful conferences where folks 129 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:09,399 like Jeff Kreipel, Whitley Streeber, Dana Pasuka have have come and given lectures 130 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:16,440 and they've been transformative for me. But I began reading a lot, and 131 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:22,879 I began researching the topic becoming and that hasn't stopped. So this is yes. 132 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,679 Now, as my wife will say, once I get latched onto something, 133 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:31,759 I become completely obsessed. I'm the same as you, and that's as 134 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:35,000 you. Yeah. And and what I found, you know, what I 135 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:41,279 found round is that you've written playfully, you know, about the UFO subject 136 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:48,159 about encounters. And you know, I loved your book. I wanted to 137 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:58,519 read more accounts that are relatable to a broader readership. Yes, And because 138 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,360 I find so if you have a book that's if you have a book that's 139 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:07,200 an you know, an alien encounter book, there there's a whole group of 140 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,240 people that just won't look at it. So this book is published by Loyola 141 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:16,039 Press, it's university Press, and it's published as fiction and this is very 142 00:13:16,039 --> 00:13:22,799 intentional because a publisher will not entertain a first person account, as you know, 143 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,919 they just won't entertain. And even even the paranormal publishers, publishers that 144 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,759 publish and uthology subject will not entertain that. You have to self published. 145 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:39,039 My only issue with that is that that then that will neglect a whole universe 146 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:45,200 of readers. And what I'm trying to do is to broaden the subject. 147 00:13:45,279 --> 00:13:46,679 You know, I when I bring up the as you know, you've been 148 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:50,279 at this a long time, longer than I have. You know, when 149 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,200 you bring up the subject, you get giggles, you know, you often 150 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,399 get you know, it's it's the nature of the subject, the taboo, 151 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,639 Yes, taboo, it's very taboo, you know. And it's because it 152 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:05,320 goes right at the heart, you know, what you talk about in your 153 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:13,320 documentary. It goes right at the heart of what is the point of life? 154 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,879 What is the point of existence? Who are we? What is this 155 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:24,840 universe? And that for me, that whole was punctured, you know, 156 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:30,840 I would say beginning with taking a psychedelic substance, which is is a modality 157 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:37,720 of you're penetrating the interdimension. You're penetrating what is suffusing us at this moment. 158 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:43,679 The word psychedelic means mind manifesting, So Alice Huxley and Humphrey Osmond were 159 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:50,559 very thoughtful about the creation of that word to not make it something out there. 160 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:56,600 It's not hallucinations, it's it's you're manifesting what is here. Yes, 161 00:14:56,159 --> 00:15:00,840 we are living, you know, in our science is telling this that now, 162 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:07,159 as you discussed in the documentary, we are perhaps well at least, 163 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:16,360 science is telling us today that there are dimensions that are suffusing within our space, 164 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,679 but we don't have the capacity to see it, to see it as 165 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:26,320 one way to experience it. Perhaps we do. Some people do, like 166 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:33,120 you, you had experiences, some people have dreams, some people have visions 167 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:39,799 and experiences. There are different ways that this can manifest. Yes, that's 168 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:45,320 right. I mean what's interesting, And I think reality itself is fascinating, 169 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:50,000 Mike, because it's how you perceive it. You know. Let's think of 170 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:56,480 a child who is third world compared to a child who's middle class, all 171 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:00,519 well off. Their worlds are completely different, see it, completely different. 172 00:16:02,159 --> 00:16:08,440 These psychedelics which people take shift consciousness to another degree, some kind of shift, 173 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:15,480 and that alternates reality. That's what fascinates me. It's like recently I 174 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:19,960 did a lot of thought or time travel. Well, you see, I 175 00:16:21,039 --> 00:16:27,200 believe that time travel is absolutely utterly impossible. For one logical fact, time 176 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:32,799 does not exist. It is a construct. It is a construct, it's 177 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,120 man made. There is something else. I've mentioned this in a book that's 178 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:41,480 coming out. I've written in July. There is something else. But you 179 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:45,440 know, you get flat for that. So when you were speaking about people, 180 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:52,559 the various people who would some go to the actual raw account whereas others 181 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:56,960 will go to the fictitious account, it's the same with that. You have 182 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,519 these people sitting on fence and they have these little boxes. They say, 183 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:04,720 no, you're wrong. Time travel is a reality. It is not. 184 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,039 It is not I stake my life on it. That's not. But there 185 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:15,440 is something else is to do with reality. So I think it's fascinating that 186 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:22,240 in this book you're exploring all these emotions and the way forward. I feel 187 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:26,480 that your character is kind of lost to begin with. He's not sure what 188 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:29,799 to do, and he finds a footing. And I think it's beautiful because 189 00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:33,359 so many people can associate with that. Even I could when I was younger. 190 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:40,119 Yeah, I think we we like a character that we are smarter than 191 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,359 you know, we when the characters too smart, you kind of get annoyed. 192 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,839 I wanted him to be dopey. I wanted him to be inaccurate. 193 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:53,160 I mean, frankly, I feel I myself. You know, I am 194 00:17:53,240 --> 00:18:00,839 limited. You know, I'm not certainly not perfect in pact thinking. And 195 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:07,920 we are all we are all working on a paradigm that is not complete. 196 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,960 And that's that's a big part of the book. You you know, we 197 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:19,519 talked about. It's interesting. I read that Terrence McKenna when he was experimenting 198 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:26,720 with he went to the Amazon and he was taking various psychedelic substances. But 199 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:33,160 he met a shaman. Well there was there was a shaman who consumed ayahuasca 200 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:37,359 and then would vomit it out and would spread it on a rock. And 201 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,799 this was something that was known to be rumored to have happened. It wasn't 202 00:18:41,839 --> 00:18:48,559 just he was told one person, yeah, and he would spread this out 203 00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:52,920 on a rock and then he could kind of navigate space time. He could 204 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,440 kind of you know, if you think a level three civilization, it is 205 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:04,000 said can can navigate, can re engineer space time. A level three, 206 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,640 civilization can use the power of the core of galaxies. So you know, 207 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:14,759 the way we might use a particle accelerator to smash atoms together and make see 208 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:18,400 fantastic things things happen. But imagine if you could harness the power of the 209 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,440 sun, which is the first level. We're not even there yet, and 210 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:27,920 if you could harness the core of galaxies that kind of power. It's often 211 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,960 said, and you know Neil DeGrace Tyson, who I think most of us 212 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,480 probably want to, you know, give a big back end slap to them 213 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,000 that He'll say, well, you know, it's too far. The distances 214 00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:44,640 are too far to travel. You can't travel from the nearest star. Is 215 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:51,480 it would take us nine thousand years to get there or whatever thirty thousand years 216 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:53,200 to reach the center of our own galaxy, which is a milky Way at 217 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:59,440 life speed? He absolutely correct, yes, right, So, but you 218 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,599 know that's one way of looking at it. You know, a thousand years 219 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:07,079 ago, did they think that an airplane travel was possible? You know, 220 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,319 did they think going to the moon was possible? We didn't even know what 221 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:18,680 the configuration of planets were. So you know, today we at least we 222 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:27,319 think I think there are six septillion stars in the observable universe, and that's 223 00:20:27,319 --> 00:20:33,480 the observable that's as far as our telescopes can see. Yes, the universe 224 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:37,279 we believe is about fifteen billion years old. We believe that the Earth is 225 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:44,400 about five billion years old. So I don't understand why a scientist like neither 226 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:52,039 the Grays, Tyson and other scientists can't imagine why couldn't there be civilizations that 227 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:57,759 are ten thousand and twenty thousand million years two million years ahead of us and 228 00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:03,559 imagine what they could do. Imagine what we just compare ourselves to only just 229 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:10,119 a few hundred years ago in the Great Advancement. So while I'm very scientific 230 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,720 like you, you're a very scientific thinking person. A very scientific thinking person, 231 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,759 in my opinion, should believe that scientists are moving target. You can 232 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:23,680 do magnificent things. We're on this skype call and this incredible technology that can 233 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:33,640 bring you to me connecting each other in real time over an ocean, and 234 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:40,000 here we are seeing each other talking and it's a very useful tool. But 235 00:21:40,079 --> 00:21:44,359 we always have to keep in mind that these are they don't tell the complete 236 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,599 story, that's right. So there's a what is it called there's a book 237 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:56,039 by Stephen Weinberg and it's called Dreams of a Final Theory. So Steven Weinberg 238 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:57,839 won the Nobel Prize in physics. He wrote a book called The First Three 239 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:04,880 Minutes where he talks about the Big Bang and he talks about the kind of 240 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:11,559 evolution of the universe. We can't get to a certain point in time because 241 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:15,240 we don't have the energy to simulate it. But I thought it was interesting 242 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:19,319 that he title of his book, one of his books is dreams of a 243 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:25,279 Final Theory, which to me is kind of silly, you know, because 244 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:33,319 your theories will even beings that maybe a million years ahead of us. Maybe 245 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,759 yet at an incomplete state of knowledge. Yeah, really, the Big Bang 246 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:45,079 hypothesis cannot be proved at all. The James Web telescope was sent out and 247 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:52,079 fall back some disturbing data that the galaxies formed much quicker on the edge that 248 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,480 what Ees did. That suggests to me that we're on the boundaries of another 249 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:02,480 kind of cosmic universe. We're brushing along side something else. And the Big 250 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,000 Bang hypothesis is I believe, and I don't mean to be crude in stating 251 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:12,519 this, I believe it's an easy fub off of creation, because if there 252 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,680 was a big Bang, what was there before that? What is the blackness? 253 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:21,240 I know some people attributed to dark matter, but what exactly is that? 254 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,319 What contains it? Are we in a vacuum? Is it endless? 255 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,519 Is it infinite? Are you're absolutely right, Mike what you stated. We're 256 00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:33,920 just too young, We're too immature. With all the sophisticated equipment we have, 257 00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:37,720 with all the technology, which is magnificent, and I'm not knocking them 258 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:42,680 for that. The humanity can create some beautiful, amazing things as well as 259 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:48,480 dark things. But with all that, we're still it's like just evolving the 260 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,200 first stages of evolution. And of course the mention of beings of the twenty 261 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:56,440 or thirty thousand years ahead of us, or perhaps even two or three million 262 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,400 years ahead of us, we haven't met them yet, oh hell, allegedly 263 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,880 allegedly allegedly, because I believe the powers that be would like us to believe 264 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,799 that, because there can only be one power to control us, and that's 265 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:15,240 humanity itself. So I think anything brushing aside the exotic is Let's take an 266 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:22,079 example, the congressional hearing about the UFOs crashed sources which I believe are real. 267 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,519 I believe several of them might well be absolutely credible. We have no 268 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:30,079 proof, but it is credible. Roswell. I believe something happened there because 269 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,079 of what they stated, and then they reversed it. I can understand why 270 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:40,599 they reversed it. But that said, they have these fossilized sources and dead 271 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,559 pilots. But the thing is they can't let it out because that would show 272 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,640 that there's a power above us that they have no control over. They don't 273 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,599 like it. We look at war, these petty arguments we have. If 274 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,000 we can't have what we want, or if we disagree with someone, we 275 00:24:56,039 --> 00:25:00,400 threaten nuclear So you see where we go with it. So I think you're 276 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:06,000 absolutely right when you're stating that we're just the first stages of evolution. And 277 00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:08,680 it is beautiful to think outside the box about space and time, which we 278 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:12,599 have no understanding of what space itself is. Time. I think, as 279 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:18,240 I've mentioned just now, is quite irrelevant because it's based on the human constructs. 280 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,559 The universe does not pander to time mm hmm. Yeah. And and 281 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:26,440 the you know governments, I mean, they're the concern is the United States, 282 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,079 prime example you know, the most important thing is the stock market. 283 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,599 That's they want you to keep buying your you know, your fuzzy socks and 284 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,279 whatever new gadgets. You know, that's it's it's the bottom line, it's 285 00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:45,640 the quarter. And so this, this pair disturbs that. And a couple 286 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,440 of things I wanted to mention, is that part of the reason I think 287 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:55,680 why the government, you know, I'm not so keen on the notion of 288 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,920 disclosure, partly because they don't know what to say. They don't understand it. 289 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,720 So it's kind of a frightening thing for them to say, well, 290 00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:07,079 we are where the powers that be, we control the guys, we control 291 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:15,400 the domain of our country, the parameters. There is something occurring by the 292 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:22,000 way public that we do not understand. We think that this phenomena, now 293 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:26,319 I'm just imagining what the eleven o'clock news would say. This phenomena is perhaps 294 00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:32,519 has as much to do with your own consciousness as it has to do with 295 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:38,279 objects unidentified perceived in space. In other words, what we're saying is that 296 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:47,599 your mind constructs reality, public viewer, And so I think that's unsettling. 297 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,920 You'll notice that people like you know this. So this is remedial for you. 298 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,240 But people like David Grush, he's not gone to jail. I mean, 299 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:03,559 he's what he has stated would be it would put him in jail for 300 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,720 the statements that he's made. Basically, the government is saying, well, 301 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,359 go ahead and say stuff. You know, perhaps they're letting things eke out 302 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:18,200 a bit just to warm everyone up because people are looking for a big bang 303 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,319 of that, and I think that it's it's perhaps that will come, but 304 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:30,119 it's also it's a paradigm shift in your own thinking. And as much as 305 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,119 when we and I wanted this to be the case and true in the book, 306 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,799 try to describe it as much as it's out there, it's in here, 307 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,880 but it's also right here, and there's all this intelligence. You know. 308 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:48,160 I woke up yesterday, I walked out, and it's where we're We're 309 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,200 at that place where we're getting a little touch of spring. So I live 310 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,200 in New York City. It's not known for its you know, woods and 311 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:59,880 the bird's population, although we actually do have a pretty I live in Brooklyn. 312 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:07,119 We have a pretty diverse bird population. Also because you have the birds 313 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,559 are you know, migrating. We have a big park, a couple of 314 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:17,119 huge parks that they come and they hang out at. Yeah, but the 315 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,000 look at all of the intelligence around us. So we hear birds tweeting. 316 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,559 You know. I only started listening to birds during COVID, be honest, 317 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,759 because it was quiet. Yes, I started to look up at the trees. 318 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:34,920 I was riding bikes, my wife and boys. We were riding bikes. 319 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,720 I was looking up at the trees. I was looking at birds. 320 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,079 You know. It's funny. I would say to my wife. You know, 321 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:44,400 I only knew the word bird, but she could identify the types of 322 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,359 birds. I only knew the word tree, but she could identify types of 323 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,799 trees. But I became interested and as much as we are looking out there 324 00:28:55,319 --> 00:29:03,440 and then here identifying recognizing the sacredness of life around us, the sacredness of 325 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:08,400 the sovereignty of rivers, of trees, of air of life. I think 326 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:14,200 it's part of that spiritual journey, part of that path of There is life, 327 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:21,160 teeming and intelligence everywhere, and we keep looking with telescopes and all of 328 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,480 these other ways to manifest it. But it's right here, it's right here 329 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,599 and now. Yet the space when we look out, most of it's dead, 330 00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:33,559 you know, it sounds terrible. Most of it's dead. All the 331 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:38,359 planets are dead dust. You know. There's speculation that's life on one of 332 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,319 Jupiter's moons, I think Titan or one of them. I can't remember. 333 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:48,240 There's life, but it's it's heresy, aquatic life, very primitive. Always 334 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,039 has to be very primitive, you know. It's like, but when we 335 00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:55,119 look out, it's dead. And William Shatness said something very interesting. I 336 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,319 love William, I mean he was our captain Kirk, a kid him. 337 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,880 Love that gentleman. When he went in Jeff Bezo's rocket and he went up 338 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,000 with the team and then came back down, it's something very interesting. He 339 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:11,799 was very emotional first of all, and then he said it was just death 340 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,240 out there. There was nothing. It was just death. And you could 341 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,720 see him feeling so blessed to touch Mother Earth again. You know. He 342 00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:22,720 said, we have to look after Mother Earth because this is all we have, 343 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,400 as we know and as it stands. But I thought that was interesting 344 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,839 of Captain Kirk stating that, you know, but he had a point. 345 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,920 He had a point, and exactly what you said, Mike, you said, 346 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000 you know, we're looking out there, but it's here. Everything is 347 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:41,880 here. All the keys to our problems are here, it's just finding them. 348 00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:45,480 The atom itself they don't fully understand. That's why they have the hydron 349 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:51,519 collider. They're trying to understand the glue that holds us together matter creation, 350 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,400 and it's going to take them a long time. Because Sir Patrick Moore stated 351 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,680 something very interesting, a very famous astronomer who sadly passed. He was a 352 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,400 famous, very well respected gentlemen. Here's the chat with who will the monocle? 353 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,559 He said that he said that the more answers we get, the more 354 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,799 problems are thrown back at us. So it's that we're constantly learning or adapting 355 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,759 or trying to revise ourselves or our Thinking's beautif we poke what you said, 356 00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:22,160 yes, yeah, and you I think we're we're talking about something so similar, 357 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,079 which is and it's it's a central theme of the book is the ego. 358 00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,240 And now let's take that ego could be a national ego. Let's talk 359 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:36,680 about my ego and the individuated ego. It believes it's in control. If 360 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,400 we believe we're in control, we believe we cast a net over our reality. 361 00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:48,000 It's navigable, it's measurable. It's mathematical. I can go about my 362 00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:55,960 day in a logical way, uh, manifesting the reality I want. And 363 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,000 there's a lot of truth to that. You know, we we do, 364 00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:07,519 we do purchase paid and it is it requires our our urgency and our effort 365 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,319 and intention. However, you know, the ego is this little tiny thing 366 00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:19,559 from the rest of it is this consciousness. Yes, and that's true for 367 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,599 an I think the nation's identity as well. It tries to wrap itself down 368 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,319 into this narrow box of what a national identity is. If you exploded that 369 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:36,000 box and you said, well, we're all brothers and sisters and we're a 370 00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:42,480 part of a family of life, of where we're woven into this fabric of 371 00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:47,519 life on this planet. And consciousness. The word I think it's in is 372 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:53,559 it in uh Navajo or DNA language. The word for land is the same 373 00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:59,799 word for mind. Yes, that's the tribe that no out tribe skin will 374 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:05,119 ranch the ladies and gentlemen. Mike has referred to one of the tribes who 375 00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:09,440 are famous for having placed a curse the Witches. Have never heard tribe of 376 00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:16,119 placing a curse on the land due to arrival, so yeah, yeah, 377 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:22,000 yeah, and so, and it's interesting. You'll see indigenous cultures around the 378 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:30,480 world much more open to these concepts, to these ideas. There's a I'm 379 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:37,200 trying to remember her name, a book called Sky People, and she is 380 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:44,119 she's a professor of education, i think at Montana State, and she's half 381 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:50,400 Indigenous, and she went throughout the Southwest and also into South America. She 382 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,960 speaks Spanish, so she can get so far because you're also encountering the indigenous 383 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,119 local languages. But she would talk to people, and you go into a 384 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,920 village, maybe they'd be afraid to talk about it. You know, first 385 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,880 of all, they're afraid of outsiders, and they as they should be. 386 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:15,880 Yes, you know, I mean you see, you know a non indigenous 387 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,119 person walk in. You know you are they bringing disease? And are they 388 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,639 bringing whatever weapons? What do they want to take from us? Yes, 389 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:30,800 but even amongst themselves, because there were there could be a stereotype or you 390 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:37,400 could you could become blemished with these with these statements. But people would tell 391 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:44,760 her about encounters a long note that something went appear and much It's much in 392 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,519 the same as the literature that we read that's available to us. And people 393 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:57,840 that we know that have written, including yourselves, have written about encounters with 394 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,159 with other intelligence, other consciousness, and another way to put it. So 395 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,599 I thought it was it. I think it's interesting that I remember reading Carlos 396 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:13,960 Castaneda, uh was writing, you know, don don Juan, if you've 397 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,199 ever read those books, they're they're quite good. They're really fun too, 398 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:22,239 because they're written really uh you know, kind of plateau like Plato, where 399 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:29,960 the narrator Carlos Castaneda is sort of naive and and he asks a lot of 400 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:36,119 stupid questions and Don Juan kind of educates him, he schools him. But 401 00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,119 one of the things Carlos Casna says is, you know, look at that 402 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:44,840 poor indigenous kid living in the dirt and without clothes, and you know, 403 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,559 I feel so bad for him. He doesn't have all of the the luxuries 404 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,760 of life. And Don Wan says, then he's probably better off than you 405 00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,880 are, and he doesn't have all that all that heavy bag that you bring, 406 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:05,360 so you should you should be looking up to him an interesting perspective, 407 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,679 Yes, that is. It's very interesting, isn't it. It certainly does 408 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,039 put things into perspective, doesn't it. It's also do with mind. Do 409 00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:15,880 you know it's funny talking about that about our outlook on it, our consciousness. 410 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,320 I want to ask you this, right, I found that whenever more 411 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,159 than not, if I get up positive and feeling really positive, I'm going 412 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,480 to have a good day. I've stated this many times before. It always 413 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,760 seems like there's some nasty monster waiting in a corner watching, and more than 414 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,960 not, yet more than that, I'm brought down. So I have to 415 00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:40,880 contain my excitement lest I do anyone any injury. You know, it's like 416 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,679 that. That's the philosophy, and it confuses me. I kept thinking about 417 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,920 this, What am I doing wrong? If you're so excited and you're so 418 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,960 excitable, people don't like it. It's as if you have to be lowered 419 00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:58,360 to a particular level, which is preferable. And I have found this again 420 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,280 and again, and it reminds me of a mirror reflects everything. That's why 421 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,760 I wondered whether John D. Queen Elizabeth, the first advisor and counsel, 422 00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:13,079 when he was practicing the Dark Arts later on in life, well, he 423 00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,119 didn't think they were dark art. He believed he was summoning angels through the 424 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:19,920 mirror scribe. But they turned out to be demons. You see, whether 425 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,599 I mentioned this, it seems like everything is always reflected or rebounded. I 426 00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:30,039 dare say, if he'd asked for spears and war, what would have happened? 427 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,440 You know, I'm not stating the obvious what we think, but it's 428 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:37,679 just just very strange when you're talking about that. You're talking about consciousness and 429 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,840 the way in which we feel and think. Have you ever experienced that yourself? 430 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,280 With what I've been stating about you, you're all excited and you're happin 431 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,559 there is it or I'm always brought down. Something happens and you can feel 432 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:54,199 it. I can feel it. It's like something latching on or watching your 433 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:59,079 being watched. That's it, You're being watched by an external force. Now 434 00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:05,119 people will stay as I have done. That if you dive or delve into 435 00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:07,679 the darker aspects, you're attracting that. I don't believe it, because with 436 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,760 a coin you have to know both signs. You have to see both sides 437 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,679 are good and the bad. What are your thoughts on that? My house? 438 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,320 Yeah, for all we know, for all we know, so I'm 439 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,239 I'm right there with you. There's it's interesting in Italian. When you ask 440 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,679 someone how they're doing, what you may answer You may say mika mala, 441 00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,960 which is just a little bad. Yeah, you know it's because you don't 442 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,800 want to you don't want to call too much attention. And I think that's 443 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:44,840 true another cultures too. Humility is important. Humility, uh is is very 444 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:51,760 important to recognize that you, you are not towering above people, that you 445 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,920 are a flawed and we do have dark sides for sure. When you you 446 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,079 consume a psychedelic substance that, as you've read in one of the stories, 447 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:10,400 that it becomes out of control, whereas it could be in the background in 448 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,480 our everyday life. Maybe it makes us have a bad mood or it affects 449 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:22,760 our performance of something. Yes, and it's and certainly bad things happen. 450 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:28,519 Bad things happened to people, and without any reason. It's you know, 451 00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:32,119 you talk about a dead universe, a big, gigantic dead universe with dust 452 00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:39,000 and you know, darkness, and you can have a wonderful, happy family 453 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:45,639 together and someone gets hit by a bus, you know, or suddenly dies 454 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:51,159 and it's such a tragedy. Why why this great, nice, beautiful person, 455 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,199 Why what a great dad? I don't know, if it's just like 456 00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:01,639 people. There's consciousness and other intelligences that can have other motives and could be 457 00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:09,039 a trickstery. That is for sure. There's no doubt that there is a 458 00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:14,519 trickster element. Yes, so, I mean just in the way that the 459 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:21,280 phenomena engages us. I like what Whitney Strieber says that the governments have taken 460 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,440 this notion of a cryptic that it is cryptic and enigmatic because it has presented 461 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:32,519 itself as such. Yes, it is, perhaps it is. The consciousness 462 00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:37,320 is kind of like a con you know, it is both. It is 463 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,800 more than one thing. It is not just binary a zero or a one, 464 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,800 and we kind of we have to feel comfortable it's this or it's that. 465 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,840 It's either in here or it's out there, and it could be both, 466 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,320 right, yes, it could be both. And to observe the thing 467 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,239 in itself with what Con said, Emmanuel Con said that ding I'm sick if 468 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,400 I say it correctly in German. My German is not so good. If 469 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,280 you observe the thing in itself, we can't in our current state. We 470 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:12,840 mostly don't. We approach things with the paradigm, with the constructs, with 471 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,880 the layers of learning and experience that we have. Yes, the models that 472 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:27,639 were model and I think even Streeber talks about he was getting letters from people 473 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,199 and the letters are amazing. After he wrote the book Communion, and there's 474 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:37,039 one one story that he talks about where a family has an encounter. Each 475 00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:44,440 family member has a different experience, but there's something that happens. And what's 476 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:52,440 interesting is that what he says, when we see something we have not seen 477 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:58,000 before, we look in the catalog of history, what have we seen that's 478 00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:05,119 like it? And then we associate that with this this phenomena that we haven't 479 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,719 we don't have a category for. Yeah, you know. So for instance, 480 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,679 when people looked at it this sky and they saw something, they called 481 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,599 it a chariot, you know, and it was a chariot with fire, 482 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,800 you know. And you know, as as time has moved on, it's 483 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:28,199 become more technological. Yes, interesting that as of a certain point after Kenneth 484 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,159 Arnold right, which I think he termed paying saucer, and you know, 485 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,480 it became shiny. It seemed to look like. There's a passage in the 486 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:42,719 book that, uh, it came from a dream. If I can talk 487 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,239 about it, I wrote, I had my dream journal somewhere. I won't 488 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:51,159 go fetch it, but i'll tell you it's in the book, and it's 489 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,599 a dream I had that, And they're they're always very dramatic there. It's 490 00:42:55,679 --> 00:43:01,639 very powerful. This the power of this. I saw this kind of cigar 491 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:09,360 shaped collection of objects coming toward me what looked like spaceships. Very powerful. 492 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,679 Yes, they were kind of shooting off. And then it was followed by 493 00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:23,800 these kind of halogen type circular lights that were kind of UFOs, but there 494 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:29,960 were kind of halogen lamplights in the plus and they kind of shot off after 495 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:36,239 that. And then what I saw next was a pine tree, but the 496 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,920 pine tree was lying flat. It wasn't lying tall, it was lying flat. 497 00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:49,639 And this whole thing was moving majestically and very powerfully slowly toward me. 498 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:59,880 And what I thought to myself is that the phenomena wanted me, was presenting 499 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:04,639 itself to me the way I thought I wanted to see it. Yes, 500 00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:07,800 And I was thinking, well, this was during the writing of the book 501 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,000 and deep thinking about all this stuff. And here I'm talking about You'll read 502 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,119 in the book that there's a lot of nature in the book. There's a 503 00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:21,440 lot of discovery of pree types and bird types and so on, and so 504 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,559 was this the in my dream, the phenomenon was saying, well, this 505 00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:30,360 is how you this is how you want to see it. I'm presenting it 506 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,760 in a way that you're thinking about it so that it's comprehensible to you. 507 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,159 Yes, that was just to me. Yeah, I have a word for 508 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:42,440 it. I've created a word for it. I've just recently red an article 509 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:49,280 and it's called the Atomic Magician. I write that down, the Atomic Magician. 510 00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,519 I mentioned it in the book as well, that it's coming out in 511 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,960 July, I think the first. But we all have names for it. 512 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,880 But that's BEAUTI definitely put because Philip had a dream. It's interesting you should 513 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,760 say that because Philip, my brother, had a dream and they were showing 514 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,679 him these UFOs and then they all turned to rubbish. It was just bits 515 00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:15,199 of rubbish on the floor. I'm so pleased that you keep this dream diary 516 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,480 because they very important, because I believe, I do feel or suspect that 517 00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:23,719 something, either the phenomena or the spirit world or the afterlife, whatever we 518 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:30,119 wish to call it, is trying to give you subtle messages, little puzzles. 519 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,119 I don't think it will ever in our lifetime reveal what we're actually dealing 520 00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:37,199 with, whether it is part of us, it's part of the dead, 521 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:44,920 whether it's actual UFOs or a superior consciousness above us. But you know, 522 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,440 it's just interesting to take. You're the author of many other books as well, 523 00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:54,239 and you've won a number of awards, which is absolutely smashing and congratulations 524 00:45:54,239 --> 00:46:00,960 on that. The Mescalito riding his white horse word for didn't you? I 525 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:08,440 found that out? But your themes with your books you explore completely the psychology 526 00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:14,480 of us and in terms of not only of science fiction, but in terms 527 00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:17,800 also of you know, what it does for us, what can be applied, 528 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,599 but we can learn from it. And as you said, it's us, 529 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,840 it's exploring, it's finding out who you are, you know, who 530 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,719 actually you are. And I think that's beautiful in your book for all we 531 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,440 know, because that's I think where that's going, Where the boy is actually 532 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,519 discovering who he is. You know, I think it's absolutely marvelous. Your 533 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:42,840 thoughts, May I ask Mike on the spirit world or we call it a 534 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,719 spirit, we give it a name, as a said, models and things 535 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,159 heaven. After that What are your thoughts on that. Do you believe there 536 00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:53,000 is such a thing. Yeah? Absolutely. The book Mascalado writing His White 537 00:46:53,000 --> 00:47:00,760 Horse. It won an award distinguished Local Word and Spirituality. And if I 538 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,760 can talk about that just for a second, because it's very much related to 539 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:12,000 what we're talking about here. So I do music journalism. So I meet 540 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,440 a musician, I'll talk to musician, I'll write up an article talk about 541 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,679 their music. And you see that in the book. You'll see that there's 542 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,280 a love of music and every opportunity I get to talk about it. And 543 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:29,519 I met this musician, Peter Rowan. He's a bluegrass musician. He played 544 00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:34,400 with the father of bluegrass, Bill Monroe, and he's now eighty two. 545 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,199 I met him, and Peter Rowan is a very He's an interesting person. 546 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:45,880 He's a musician. He's also very much into wisdom traditions. Did some of 547 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,679 his music. Well, what I encountered, what I discovered and looking at 548 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:57,800 his catalog of music is a quest for spirituality throughout his musical career. So 549 00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:01,039 as I was, I interviewed him. We had a few conversations, but 550 00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:07,400 I started to have dreams. I started to have these very arresting dreams with 551 00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:15,719 him in them, and also with encounters with other other beings as well. 552 00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:22,159 Yes, And I said to him, I said, Peter, I'm getting 553 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,199 this storm of images and things coming to me. I have a book idea 554 00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,719 which would be interested. And I presented it to him and he goes, 555 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,159 well, all right, sounds good, and that he was open minded and 556 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,599 worked with me. But that that book is that line is taken from one 557 00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:46,119 of his songs, Mescalito riding his White Horse, right and so, And 558 00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:52,599 of course Mescalito is from Carlos Castaneda, So that's the Mescallito is the entity 559 00:48:52,760 --> 00:49:00,519 that you He's the protector that Carlos Casteneda encounters in his mess when experiences. 560 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:06,960 Yes, but yes, very much, I do think there there is a 561 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,639 there is a spirit world. And when I was writing the book, my 562 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:17,000 mother was she was very sick ill, and she died during the writing of 563 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:22,039 the book, and I put that in the book. And the reason I 564 00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:28,079 put that in the book too is there's the perceived boundary of life and death, 565 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:36,320 and when you're very close to someone in the throes of dying, that 566 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:44,239 that boundary becomes very blurred. And yes, I have there are four siblings 567 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:49,199 and one of four, and as my mother was, she was in the 568 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,480 downwards spiral and transitioning. You know, I'm the least kind of let's say, 569 00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:01,719 the least ideologically Catholic. I'm the least I'm I'm not a good Catholic. 570 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:07,159 Let's with that way of my family. And yet I became in charge 571 00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:13,039 of me and my sister, who's also the least good Catholic of all of 572 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:19,639 us, became in charge of prayers. You know, I was leading them. 573 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,079 I gave the eulogy at my mom's funeral. Ah, I think that 574 00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:31,039 my spiritual journey has meandered, it has been confused, it has it has 575 00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:38,960 been doubtful. There's a great quote Thomas Carlyle. There's a Scottish Victorian philosopher 576 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,159 writer, there is more faith in honest doubt than in all of the creeds. 577 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,159 You know, Yes, I like that idea. And when you struggle 578 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,800 with your belief, I couldn't easily accept things. So I remember, you 579 00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:00,239 know, with my father having a conversation about religion, and of course you 580 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,599 know here I am. I'm a seventeen year old smarty pants. I think 581 00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,719 I know it all, and maybe I'm in college at this point. And 582 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:14,840 now I've been reading you know, philosophers, and you know, my my 583 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:22,039 perceived sophistication, you know, was rearing its ugly head, and I'm sort 584 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:28,519 of critiquing his point of view, and he just kept saying, well, 585 00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:34,039 I believe, I believe, and he just kept coming back to consciousness. 586 00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:37,800 Let's say knowledge, Yes, humans can only get here the rest of it, 587 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:42,480 we can't get to. Reason can only take us so far. That's 588 00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:47,920 kant. This seems to be the case. This seems to be we don't 589 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:55,039 we can't seem to breach that wall, that veil through a consensus reality way. 590 00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:01,360 There has to be other ways, whether that could be and experience some 591 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:07,360 kind of illumination. It could be a dream, yes, escaping the ego. 592 00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:09,480 It could be through a psychedelic substance. It could be through meditation, 593 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:15,440 it could be through music. All of the ways these things can manifest through 594 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:24,719 imaginative folklore, you know, tales lithology kind of gets us off our center 595 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:30,599 and knocks us into the archetypal where we're in the ocean of things, where 596 00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:35,199 we're not we're swimming in it. So I don't know if I answered your 597 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,960 question, but you did, because you know when you said about I'm sorry 598 00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:44,199 to hear about your mother, and you know that was a terrible, terrible 599 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,880 time. But it's ironic. But it flips that you became the charge of 600 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,440 the prayers and all that. I was the same in a way in life 601 00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:55,079 where I was a stubborn son, so I wouldn't believe in anything. I 602 00:52:55,159 --> 00:53:00,840 had an open mind until I saw them. And I think this is what 603 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,679 kicked my butt into gear later on, not them, And I see them 604 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,039 again a number of times, and I think, when you see that, 605 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,639 the value of life as we know it. When I look about me, 606 00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:19,639 it appears less interesting than what it was, because you've seen a magic. 607 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,840 It's beyond imagination, is beyond imagination, incredible. And this wasn't Pinprick's. 608 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,719 They were ninety feet above us, three of them. Something godly, almost 609 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,880 godly. It has always stated that. And when you see that, and 610 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,280 they shut the whole street off, they shut it off. No one was 611 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,360 there, no one. It's a convenience, isn't it. Convenience? It 612 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:45,679 adds insult to injury for testimony, doesn't it. But they shut the street 613 00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,039 off, and it's a Saturday night at pub night. You know, they 614 00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:52,400 shut there was not a soul, not a sound. After that, you 615 00:53:53,280 --> 00:54:00,159 question the very essence of reality. And I think a beautiful thing is the 616 00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:06,159 most beautiful thought is that this is not everything. Like you just said, 617 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,039 consciousness here and then there's a massive expansion to it which we can't reach the 618 00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:15,119 same with this phenomena, but it is then nonetheless, we've had little droplets 619 00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:20,320 a taste of what we have with us, and there is something with us. 620 00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:24,400 Although like yourself, I suspect when you were telling me about you know, 621 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,719 this chat, you've based it on yourself, having your mic this is 622 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,719 you and the book, this is you, your journey And I get that 623 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:37,079 straight away from speaking to you and having read a portion of your book. 624 00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:42,079 I get this is you. This is a reflection of yourself. And they 625 00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:45,360 always say, writer, you could always find elements of him or her in 626 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,000 the book, and this is quite true. It is when you're just talking, 627 00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:52,320 I thought, I recognize those pointers because that's what's that your character goes 628 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,679 through, you know. But yeah, so we're coming up to near the 629 00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,119 end of the show because my goodness and our go so quick. But I 630 00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:06,159 want to just say to the ladies and gentlemen, that Mike's book is absolutely 631 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,519 beautiful. It's available in April, isn't it April? It can be yes, 632 00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:14,800 it can be pre ordered now and if folks are interested, you can 633 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,480 go to micfuridout dot com. You can send me a message if you want 634 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,599 to have an advanced review copies. So please let me know if you'd like 635 00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:28,079 to read an advanced review copy. But it will be formally available through the 636 00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:32,320 publisher in April April seventh, but it can be pre ordered now. But 637 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,840 if you want an advance review copy, please reach out to me and I'll 638 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:42,400 gladly work with you to arrange for that. Congratulations on for all we know 639 00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:46,159 Mike. I have to say that it is beautiful, ladies and gentlemen. 640 00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:50,880 As I'm reading it to the eye perspective, I like that. I really 641 00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:54,320 like that, you know, through his eyes, his thoughts, his vision 642 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:59,760 of the world, the pains he goes through. This chapter, absolute things 643 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:05,360 he goes through is going to be an absolute cracker, and I think hopefully 644 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,840 it will be a best seller. It deserves to be. This book by 645 00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:12,960 Mike. You know, it's funny. It must have been painful for you 646 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,840 to write that, because when you go back the ashes of the past. 647 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,960 When you go back, it's very hard, isn't it resurrect those moments in 648 00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:24,480 time? And wish you could just go back. As we mentioned time travel. 649 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,480 I believe it's impossible, but there is something else. Stats and gentlemen, 650 00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:34,039 I'm not denouncing the paradox and denouncing the method of reaching that goal. 651 00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:37,800 There's certain things that cannot I believe be achieved. Nothing is impossible. Certain 652 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:43,960 things are I'm afraid they're not impossible. My grandfather said they're improbable, so 653 00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:47,320 we call it improbable. But do you know, Mike, I could talk 654 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:52,519 to you for hours. You're an absolutely fascinating gentlemen. You're a brilliant author. 655 00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,559 Brilliant author. You are a brilliant author. Your books are beautiful. 656 00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,880 It's just absolutely beautifully composed. It's beauty you. But you can feel the 657 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:07,320 passion in your words. That's one thing I found some sometimes, the bluntness 658 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,079 of those words really because you think, oh my goodness, this is just 659 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,000 it's just saying as it is. I think it's beautiful. Thank you. 660 00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:20,199 That's that's uh, that's that's music to my ears. And I do want 661 00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:24,239 to say ron that you know, since I've first in this the magic of 662 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:30,239 this world that we live in. I saw you on in documentaries and then 663 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:35,800 explored your books, and what a pleasure and a treasure to be here and 664 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,440 talk to you as kind and nice a gentleman as as I saw you in 665 00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:45,159 those films. So it's thank you so much for having me on and having 666 00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:47,760 this chat. And please let's not let it end here. Let's uh, 667 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:53,079 let's continue the dialogue. Absolutely, my hope. Absolutely, Well, we 668 00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:55,440 we'd like to get you back on. We don't just say it because we're 669 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,559 saying it. We would like to get you back on because Philip would like 670 00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:01,480 to join you as well after the book's publication. Could have you back on, 671 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,639 because there's a lot more I'd like to ask you, Mike, There's 672 00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:07,199 a lot more I'd like to talk to you about. You know, about 673 00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:13,559 this wonderful kind of hypothesis you've embraced and I have two and the idea of 674 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,880 you being such a wonderful, open minded gentlemen. You strike me as being 675 00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:22,199 a man who will consider many elements you may not agree with them, that 676 00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:25,000 you will consider many elements of a paradox or or the phenomena as a whole, 677 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,679 but thank you so much. Indeed, ladies and gentlemen, you've been 678 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:34,280 listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, your host, Ronald kin seller