WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:17.320 M he was cold cold. That was the nam he was cold, Barn. 2 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:29.480 What's going on up there could be the most important event in history. 3 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:43.920 Now I am the cold of the destroyer worlds, I said. I hope 4 00:00:43.960 --> 00:01:07.760 this is close to hell. It's all ever again. Hello and welcome to 5 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.480 the Tales from the Dark podcast. I'm your host, Bob. Here's my 6 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:12.640 co host, Brittany. Hey, guys, what's up, Brittany. How's 7 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:15.040 it going? It's going good? How are you? Oh, it's it's 8 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:18.719 going well. It's it's a Monday, it's rainy, it's cold out of 9 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:22.319 fucking nowhere. Yeah, and after eighty degree days. Yeah, yeah, 10 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:26.599 it's it's every year. Ohio does this well. But it's good because I'm 11 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.000 gonna tell you why. Okay, it kills off the bugs and it kills 12 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:33.040 off the mosquitoes. Yeah. I feel like people always say that to try 13 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:36.079 and justify the nonsense. It is Ohio weather. But well I used to 14 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:38.760 do that now in North Carolina too, and that it is a blessing, 15 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:42.560 trust me, because you do not want mosquito nests from the get go, 16 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:47.840 all spawning and not dying. Well, it's funny because we have a young 17 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:51.799 man who cuts our grass and he's been doing so for the last two three 18 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:55.079 years, some stuff like that. Yeah, And he messaged me about two 19 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:57.159 weeks ago, said, hey, I got some lawns that are ready to 20 00:01:57.159 --> 00:01:59.680 go. You might put yours on the list. I'm like, it's it's 21 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:02.719 too fucking cold to be cutting grass. The next week it was seventy five 22 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:06.719 eighty five all week. Ye And I texted him, I'm like, hey, 23 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:07.599 can you come next week? And he's like, I thought it was 24 00:02:07.639 --> 00:02:12.840 too cold. Not the long guy talking shit. Yeah, yeah, he 25 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:15.360 doesn't. He does a good job. It's funny though, because I remember 26 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:17.159 when we first hired him, it was just him and like a push mower, 27 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:21.400 and now he's got a fucking like a little team of minions, several 28 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:24.439 riding You don't need a riding mower for our for our property, but he 29 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:28.919 brings one. Anyway, He's in and out like fifteen minutes. It's always 30 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:30.599 it's it's good. It's been nice. Yeah, it's been nice to watch 31 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:35.159 his business grow. Yeah. So we've had a lot of folks reach out 32 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:38.759 and ask what what is happening with us? Live event in May, So 33 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:40.919 I don't I have to talk to Eric. I don't know if we're doing 34 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:45.319 both days, We're for sure gonna be their Mates Wealthy Mates, Wealth and 35 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:47.680 May thirteenth at the Thomas House, which is a location that Eric talked on 36 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:52.560 our podcast about and he's talked about on his podcast a multitude of times. 37 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:55.000 So it's Mates Wealth and thirteenth. Tickets are one hundred and twenty five bucks 38 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:58.680 each. I know people are gonna say, well, it's kind of expensive. 39 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:01.840 Well, that includes ghost hunt, which right there, one twenty five 40 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:06.360 for a ghost hunt. That's a fucking bargain. Yeah, But it also 41 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:09.919 includes a room for the night, dinner and breakfast the next morning. I 42 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:14.159 do love me some breakfast, but you know, so two meals plus a 43 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:17.759 room at a hotel with a haunted backstory, you really can't ask for much 44 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:22.560 more. Yeah. So I'll have that posted periodically in the Tailsmo Dark facebook 45 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:23.919 group, and I'll also put it up on our website at some point, 46 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:29.080 probably the next week or so, but that should be. I know, 47 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:31.639 you order your tickets online, so I'll make sure. I had to share 48 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:35.840 Eric's full post in the group that explains where to get the tickets from, 49 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:38.400 and all that stuff sounds good to me. So with that being said, 50 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.560 miss Brittany, what else is going on in your life? Nothing much, 51 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:46.360 just been bargain. You're not going to talk about your new second family that 52 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:51.360 you've amassed ever on PlayStation. Yeah, my second family. I want you 53 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:54.199 to explain to the group how it went from like an Overwatch game to all 54 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:58.680 of a sudden I don't see you at night anymore, because that's that's how 55 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:02.039 it happened, not how that happened. Okay, I really don't know how 56 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:05.400 it happened. I just got kind of adopted in this group, and they're 57 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:09.159 really nice, and they're really fun to play with, and we play all 58 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:13.840 different types of games together. I can't it's literally been since I met you 59 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:17.800 since I've had an online like group to play with, which was like five 60 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:23.079 six years ago. It's crazy because I mean, we mout through video games 61 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:28.279 that used to play with you, Matt, Danny, Frank Scott and I 62 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.560 think that was it. And Remmy. I forgot about Remmi. We always 63 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:33.480 forget about Remmy. We always I haven't talked to Remmy and so long. 64 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:38.279 But once I actually moved up, we didn't really play with the guys anymore. 65 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:42.759 So I literally haven't played with anyone online consistently until this group, and 66 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:46.839 they're super nice. Okay, I'm gonna actually explain how this actually happened because 67 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:49.360 I was in the room. Okay, So you got backled Overwatch and it 68 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:51.360 was funny. You're like, I'm just gonna play a couple of games here 69 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:54.920 and there. I like Overwatch because I don't have to play like ten games 70 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:57.839 in a room. I can just play one or two and I can get 71 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:00.120 off and I'm happy. And I'm like, uh huh, Okay, yeah, 72 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.160 I know how this goes. I've I've watched you raised an entire Simon's 73 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:06.199 family then murder them in the same twelve hour times. Okay, that's how 74 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:11.839 you play sim not me. So she gets online with these this group and 75 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:15.240 you play Support, which is really weird because you don't play support in like 76 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:18.439 any other video game you play. I also play Damage, but you keep 77 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:21.959 going. You were playing support and then something happened. I think you guys 78 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:26.519 were like because you you talk mad shit in the chat when you play Overwatch, 79 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:30.199 which is hilarious because you tell everyone how toxic I am, but you're 80 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.240 super Toxican League, I'm toxic and Overwatch don't catch me in that game. 81 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:35.879 So they invited you to a party and I'm like, oh, this is 82 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.800 kind of weird. And then next thing, I know, I haven't seen 83 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:43.079 you in three days, and it was just a really weird occurrence. We 84 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:45.079 were like, yeah, Paula did this, and so and so did this, 85 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:46.160 and he did this, and then they won't be changing it into murder, 86 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:53.800 Like what what the what the fuck is It's okay, yeah, no, 87 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:56.199 that's exactly what it was. But no, it's it's been nice because 88 00:05:56.199 --> 00:06:00.040 you get to play these games that I just like you don't like. I 89 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.639 tried to Overwatch, I can't get into it. I tried to play Black 90 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:04.079 Desert, can't get into it. I'll play the funk out of some SEMs 91 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:08.079 on occasion, but yeah, you get that random win. Yeah, you 92 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:10.680 gotta get that. It it's like your Skyrom, only you know, I 93 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:15.120 don't spend four days buck ass naked lay in Skyrom that. I think we've 94 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:16.720 told this store on the podcast, and we'll get into today's topic in just 95 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:20.399 a moment. But when Brittany first moved up, we had this really shitty 96 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:26.120 two bedroom apartment that like seventy thousand other people lived in the same building. 97 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:28.879 It was just it was it wasn't good, but it's everyone has that first 98 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.319 apartment that makes them appreciate the house they live in. Now. Yeah, 99 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.160 and you had like four days off for BECA. I think it was like 100 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:40.240 I was starting something. No, I was starting my job, and I 101 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:43.079 told him I can come in now, like I can come in this week, 102 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:45.800 and they told me, no, just wait till next week because I 103 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:48.120 know you just moved up from North Carolina, so take take a couple of 104 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:51.480 days off. And I had when I lived in North Carolina, I'll worked 105 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:56.839 two to three jobs consistently, like I barely ever had a single day off. 106 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:00.519 So I had like four days off before I started training at this place. 107 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:02.360 Anyway, I'll let you go ahead, and well, You're like, 108 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:05.360 I'm gonna I'm gonna install Skyrim. And I was like, okay, why 109 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:09.279 you know you've told me you like Skyrim, but I've never seen you play 110 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:13.839 it. And then this is a test of It was like five six o'clock 111 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:15.480 in the afternoon, and I had to be up at work early the next 112 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:19.079 morning, so I went to bed at like nine ten pm. I wake 113 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:25.959 up at four thirty and you're still playing And this is when the This is 114 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:30.600 when we had the PlayStation four in our bedroom because I brought up mine and 115 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:33.600 you still had yours, so we had two separate areas, one in the 116 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:36.240 living room, one in the bedroom. Yeah, so you're still playing, 117 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:39.600 and I'm like, okay, well I've done over all nighters. This not 118 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:42.560 a big deal. And then I text you and I don't get a response 119 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:44.959 for a while, and I come home from work and I'm like, oh, 120 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:46.199 she's gonna be past the fuck out, like she's been up all night. 121 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.959 No, she was still playing. I barely remember this, Ben, 122 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:56.160 But what was funny is you were fully clothed when the night started, and 123 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:59.240 you progressively had gotten hot, and instead of turning in the you know, 124 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:03.839 the centual air in our apartment down, you just stripped down to nothing and 125 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:05.839 you're just like bundled up in this blanket. I go to bed and I 126 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:09.120 shoot you not. I wake up the next day and you're like, I'm 127 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:13.959 getting kind of tired, and I'm like, you haven't slept in thirty six 128 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:18.920 hours. Go to sleep. You texted me at my lunch break, I 129 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:24.839 think I'm gonna lay down now up. You wake up around eight pm, 130 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:28.040 You come out, take a shower, and then go right back to Skyrim. 131 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:31.519 This went on for like four days give or take, before you finally 132 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.080 were like, I beat it. I'm like you what, I beat the 133 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:39.879 game. I think I'm gonna take a break from video games for a couple 134 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:43.360 of days. I'm like, you fucking better because you have to go back 135 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.120 to your big girl job here soon, and none of them want to hear 136 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:50.360 about how you're the fucking dragon born. Trust me, it's my resume actually 137 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:54.399 that, and you're the Sapphire Star. Yeah exactly. Okay, so what's 138 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:56.639 funny about today's episode? So people have been asking for a hat Man episode 139 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:01.519 for a while, and I never thought there was really enough like sustenance there 140 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:07.799 because it's it's like a recent phenomenon. Well it's so it's been since the 141 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.519 early two thousands, but it's been more of like a creepy pasta type situation. 142 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:13.200 So I'm like, I love creepy pastas, don't get me wrong, 143 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:16.440 but I like to cover them all in one big episode, like my favorite 144 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:20.320 creepy pastas, because usually there's not enough for a full hour, hour and 145 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:24.159 a half long episode. Well, I saw this TikTok the other day I'm 146 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:24.919 gonna play it for you guys, because you don't need to see it, 147 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.159 you just need to hear the audio. And I noticed that there was like 148 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:35.279 six hundred thousand likes and over fifteen thousand comments, because what it is is 149 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.399 it's a doctor m reacting to like popular TikTok trends that have to do with 150 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:45.200 medication. Yeah. Well, we've all heard the drill. They take ten 151 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.080 ben a drill and they see the hat man. Yeah, so I'm like, 152 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:50.440 when no one's actually doing this, oh I was wrong, and the 153 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:54.639 r slash hat man read it. There are people like, just just did 154 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:58.919 a four hundred fifty milligram dose of ben a drill. Guys know what happens 155 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:01.039 and don't do this. Yeah. So I realized I'm like, oh, 156 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:05.480 this is a fucking problem, Like because I was, you know, young 157 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:07.600 and done at one point in time. I'm like, at fifteen, if 158 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.080 all I thought benadril did was make you tired or get rid of allergies, 159 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:15.720 I wouldn't think this was like a dangerous thing to take a ton of. 160 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:18.679 Don't do this, yeah, And I was like, oh god, people 161 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:20.600 are gonna overdose. Yeah, so I'm gonna play this TikTok, and then 162 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:24.679 we're gonna dive into everything head first. Okay, let's do it. But 163 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:30.039 I can't take DNA drill because I owe the hat Man money and I just 164 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:33.120 don't see him. So lately, since I've been talking about Benadril and the 165 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:39.399 dangers of this medication, I've been seeing comments lately about this hat Man character, 166 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:41.879 and I had no idea what it was about. So I did a 167 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:45.320 little bit of a deep dive into it, and it's a little disturbing. 168 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:48.480 Since the late two thousands, people have been reporting on the Internet seeing this 169 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.519 figure called hat Man, and this blog has been running since the late two 170 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:58.759 thousands sharing stories about people's encounters with this individual. The idea that somebody may 171 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.200 owe the hat Man money is nothing new. This is a tweet from October 172 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:05.799 twenty twenty two talking about that. Other people talk about visiting the Hatman as 173 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:09.919 well. There are even whole subreddits talking about the hat Man. One of 174 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:15.639 my biggest concerns as a physician is stuff like this that's floating around, where 175 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:18.200 people may say they're going to have an appointment with the Hatman in relation to 176 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.879 taking this medication. High doses of this medication can be life threatening, so 177 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:30.600 please don't play around with this. So that that's kind of where it opened 178 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:33.799 my eyes to being like, well, is this a real thing? Yeah? 179 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:35.879 Is this actually happening? Yeah, because we talked about the ideas of 180 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:41.240 Tolpa's an egregrse here on the show, where a the idea behind a character, 181 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:45.200 let's say the hat Man, and people believing and manifesting it can actually 182 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:50.039 cause it to potentially exist. Yes, So it's it's not that I don't 183 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.320 have a belief that this hat Man like entity does exist. My issue, 184 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:54.559 and we're gonna I'm gonna tackle this in a few different ways. So I'm 185 00:11:54.559 --> 00:12:00.840 going to start by giving kind of a history, a back round of this 186 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.480 hat Man character, how it came into existence. Then we're going to dive 187 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:09.519 into an actual thesis us wanted for their doctorate regarding rim sleep sleep paralysis were 188 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:15.440 to a quick comparison between the Hatman and some other entities that kind of overlap 189 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:16.559 or seem to be the same. And then we're gonna read from the actual 190 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.759 Hatman project blog, which is, like the guy said in the video, 191 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.840 there a place where people can both tell their stories. But it's also the 192 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:26.559 point of the blog. The guy's writing a book about the hat Man because 193 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:31.159 he had an encounter, and then he made this word press blog, which 194 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.679 is very It's actually interesting. It's very similar. It's set up almost identical 195 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:39.000 to how we have our submit your stories on our but instead of going to 196 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:43.799 the email, these get posted directly to his website. So there's a lot. 197 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:46.159 What do you know about the Hatman before we kind of dive into this 198 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:50.080 apart from the meme culture, so I know the most recent one was Aaron 199 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:54.879 Rodgers, who's the Packers quarterback, went on an Ayahuasca journey and he won't 200 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.519 stop talking about the hat Man. That's that's the recent meme. It's it's 201 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.200 not a true tweeting, you know, it's not a he did go in 202 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:05.519 Ayawaska journey. That's a whole other conversation. What do you know about the 203 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:07.840 hot Man, like outside of mean culture? I mean, I really don't 204 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.600 know that much. I know Austin's talk to us about the hat Man before 205 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:18.519 personally about he's had he's had some experiences with the hat Man. I thankfully 206 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:22.279 have not had any experiences with the hat Man. Knock on wood, and 207 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.960 I'm not going to because fuck all that, But you have had experience with 208 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:31.240 both sleep paralysis and shadow people. Yeah, but it's not the hat Man, 209 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.840 and the hat Man can stay far the fuck away. Okay, Well, 210 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:35.120 what we're gonna find him. What we're going to discuss though, is 211 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.759 what if the hat Man think of him like a demi boss or the final 212 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.799 boss of the shadow people? Oh? God, probably. Well we had 213 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:48.000 the discussion about the old woman in our old apartment where I had sleep paralysis 214 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:50.879 and have the same one that. Yeah. Yeah, So it's one of 215 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:56.000 those things where it's like, is this just a certain variant of shadow people? 216 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.480 Well, he can stay far away from me. No. But I 217 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.559 thought it was a recent phenomenal on just because over the last year a lot 218 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.240 more people it's become more mainstream to talk about the hat Man, whether that 219 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:11.679 be memes or people actually having experiences. I don't think I actually realized it's 220 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:16.919 been something that's been happening since the early two thousands, because remain like the 221 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:22.440 Russian sleep experiment, the Mister Spoons or whatever it was, slender Man, 222 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:28.879 all that was my kind of creepy passingers. Salad fingers, respect salad fingers 223 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:31.759 in this house. Now we know, yes, we do no that though. 224 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.879 Yeah, well it's kind of interesting to see how far creepy passas have 225 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:37.720 come and then what happens to them once they engage with the mainstream, right, 226 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:41.320 because it's you know, you you grew up on the marketplier, the 227 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:46.600 beautypie who were playing these like yeah, these indy horror games that started as 228 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:48.360 creepy passas. And I think the new biggest one now is like the SEP 229 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.200 Sleep prow or whatever that are called. That's a whole thing. Well it's 230 00:14:54.240 --> 00:15:00.720 not new sep. SEPs have been happening for quite a few years now because 231 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:05.519 the game's not that new. I think it's like seven years old, if 232 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:11.960 not more. No, the newest one is the fascination with like poppies playtime 233 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:15.240 and oh yeah, you know what I'm talking about. And like there's been 234 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:22.480 this new like rise of these indie games of people playing in like these like 235 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:30.879 toddler and kidlike areas where because you associate kids and and their playgrounds and daycares 236 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:35.600 with innocence, well a lot of people are using that to their advantage for 237 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:39.399 horror games like where you should feel safe, where it should be Oh, 238 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:45.360 I understand playful and colorful. It's not. It's a fucking horror horror scenes. 239 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:48.519 What was the other The back rooms where it was like the office back 240 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:50.240 rooms still freak me out. Yeah, the back rooms are weird because I'm 241 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.799 confident I had dreams about the back rooms before any of this stuff was a 242 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.519 whole, like an internet phenomenon. Yeah, the back rooms are terrifying. 243 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:03.960 Just what's interesting And I would love to do a poll. I bet security 244 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:07.879 guards are twice as afraid of the back rooms is anywhere else. Let me 245 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:12.159 explain why. My first security job, I worked night shift for um the 246 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.559 like on training or so. I remember why I was on night shift, 247 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.600 but they were like, yeah, um, you know the offices can be 248 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.279 kind of creepy at night. I'm like, when i'd done rounds. Rounds 249 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:25.440 is basically when you patrol the buildings, make sure the doors are locked, 250 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.679 that sort of thing. Yeah, I was always with a person, like 251 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:30.919 I was with my trainer, and I'm like, uh, it's not fucking 252 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:33.440 scary. But you know, when you're walking through, you're talking with somebody, 253 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:37.840 you're joking around, the fears not there. But when you're by yourself 254 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:40.799 the first time in these back office rooms, that haven't been updated since the 255 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:44.919 late nineties. They have the yellow fluorescent fucking bulbs that are half of them 256 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:48.080 are going out. It can be terrifying. And that's when I saw the 257 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:51.200 back rooms. I'm like, oh, I've been to these. Oh I 258 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:53.279 work at these. I hate this. Yeah, oh no, thank you. 259 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:56.960 Okay, So let's let's kind of dive into the shadow people, the 260 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.360 hat Man, all of this and kind of begin to I want to tear 261 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:04.000 this down before we kind of dive into the actual hat Man encounters. Yeah. 262 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:07.480 So, dark apparitions that reveal themselves while you're sleeping are scary enough, 263 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:11.720 but of all the shadow people that visit you at night, the hat Man 264 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.839 may be the most creepy. It's been discovered that there are many different classes 265 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.200 of shadow people, and this terrifying man with a hat is among them. 266 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.119 He's been spotted all over the world, and according to people who have shared 267 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.880 their stories, the hat Man has apparently been around for a while. So 268 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:30.319 that was what surprised me the most. As these hat Man encounters are, 269 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.599 it's not a US thing, so it's not like it kind of caught fire 270 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:37.440 here on Reddit. There were Reddit posts from like oh five, oh six, 271 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:41.519 and then you look and there's Reddit post from Indonesia from O one seeing 272 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.759 this stuff. Okay, so it's not often that you kind of get that 273 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:51.640 tie over internationally where Now, granted we can play Devil's advocate. The post 274 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:55.559 from five oh six could have seen the Indonesian post from O one and just 275 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:57.880 copied it, but still it's kind of weird to see it go international. 276 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:03.160 Yeah, so, what are shadow people? It's certainly it's certainly these dark 277 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:07.160 apparitions aren't human. With all kinds of theories about their existence, from time 278 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:10.720 travelers to aliens, no one really knows who they are or what they came 279 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:12.960 from. The hat Man is believed to be one of them, and although 280 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.759 he's extremely mysterious, many witnesses claim he's over six feet tall and always wears 281 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:22.119 a hat. According to the creepy stories about this phantom hat Man, he 282 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:26.359 appears during times of emotional turmoil or distress and will often observe you as he 283 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:32.119 sleeps. Who or what is the Phantom hat Man humanity may never know, 284 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:34.960 but if he ever pays you a visit, consider yourself special. So that's 285 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:40.559 kind of the introduction to the background of the hat Man. What I find 286 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:45.440 interesting is I have found stories from the UK that describe this guy as almost 287 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:49.720 a grimlin three and a half to four feet tall, but the US version 288 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:55.559 is six to ten feet tall. Yeah. I don't know what I think 289 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:59.640 about that, but I do think it's interesting that there he's coming in a 290 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:06.920 time of liminal chaos. They're associating, even subconsciously, not knowing what the 291 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:11.119 term is of implications of it, of being in a liminal state. And 292 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:15.119 we've discussed UFO stories, bigfoot, cryptids, all of these different things appearing 293 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:21.119 during these liminal states. Yeah, so it's a very interesting crossover that you 294 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:23.680 don't see very often, or at least it's not talked about very often. 295 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:27.400 Yeah, in cases like this. So it goes on here. The hat 296 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.519 Man is said to wear a fedora or a top hat, a trench coat, 297 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:36.200 and have glowing red eyes. What if the hat Man is just the 298 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:41.359 souls of all the redditors on our slash nice guys who are just He's malated 299 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:48.480 himself into the shadow realm Okay, I'm According to everyone who's been in contact 300 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:51.799 with him, the hat Man appears to be a completely dark figure like other 301 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:55.839 shadow people. The obvious difference is that the hat man wears a hat which 302 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:59.039 is just which it has appeared as a top hat in some sightings, and 303 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:02.880 a fedora and others, while many people who are unable to make out what 304 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:07.599 he's wearing, some reports seeing old fashioned clothing, a long trench coat or 305 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:10.240 a cape. And he always appears to be at least six feet tall, 306 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:14.039 with the exception of the UK slidings, where he's been described as three and 307 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:15.839 a half to four feet tall. So this kind of touches based on what 308 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:21.359 I just talked about what is weird about shadow people. That hat man, 309 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:25.160 I think is the only figure that I know of that kind of has its 310 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:29.440 own classification where clothing can be seen. Because we've had a run in with 311 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:32.960 shadow children or what we perceive to be children, and we have we have 312 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:37.160 a video of this up on our TikTok account. I don't know of a 313 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:45.839 single other case where anything is described with having clothing. I would say that 314 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.599 I would say they're normally described with clothing, but you can't see the details 315 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:55.720 of what, Like if I looked at your shadow, I couldn't tell what 316 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:59.200 you're wearing. Okay, I think he's wearing pants and a shirt, but 317 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:03.839 you don't actually, because to me, this almost moves classifications from shadow person 318 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:07.839 to apparition. Yeah, if you can see details of what they're wearing, 319 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.519 yeah, I would say more apparition. And that's the problem that we've talked 320 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.519 about a tunnel on this show is it's really hard when you start to kind 321 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:18.720 of merge these idea. Yeah, the creature, various types of hauntings, 322 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.119 whatever you want to call them, because it takes you away from everything, 323 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:26.039 can co exist if we have to put them in their own box. And 324 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:27.480 I hate that. My brain instantly went to, well, it's not really 325 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:32.559 a shadow person if it has clothes. I don't know. This one's a 326 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:37.759 little weird for me. The Hatman is also usually indistinguishable, but many who 327 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:41.000 he has visited it have claimed that he had glowing red eyes, unlike shadow 328 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.519 people. There have also been reports that the hat Man carries a gold watch 329 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:48.240 attached by a chain to his belt and will occasionally look at it. Okay, 330 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.759 so yeah, this is definitely an apparition because there's but that's weird the 331 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:56.920 gold watch because that has demonic implications. But we've all we all have heard 332 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:00.160 the you know, he wears a slight jacket and a gold watch describing the 333 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.960 devil. No, really, never that you didn't listen to the Devil Wars 334 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:07.440 product growing up then, because the dogs, dogs and girl beards all over. 335 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:14.880 Just because Devil wears praduct made that made a song, a metal song 336 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.720 about that doesn't mean that's that it's lamented into history, but it is because 337 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:25.079 the folk. But that comes from studying of demonology. The devil's been described. 338 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:27.960 I mean, hell culture will discusses the devil wears a suit and tie, 339 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:32.480 like the whole thing, the Devil wears praduct. It's a there's a 340 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:34.759 whole movie about it that has nothing to do with demons. But it's actually 341 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:37.279 a really good movie. I like it. You don't, I digress? 342 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:41.720 I I do believe that. I Where where did the gold pocket watch come 343 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:45.920 from? So the gold pocket watch is meant to represent the greed of man 344 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:49.960 because back in the day, your grandpappy would love nothing more. What was 345 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:56.160 the I mean, we're talking cutting edge of style in nineteen twenties gold pocket 346 00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:59.119 watch. You pulled out the handkerchief you had. Oh the young lady saw 347 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:00.640 your gold pocket watch. She knew that you made it, and you had 348 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:03.720 money so you would trade your soul to the devil for that gold pocket watch. 349 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:07.440 But again, what would that What would the modern equivalent of a gold 350 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:12.000 pocket watch be? Probably like a lambo? A lambo? What are those 351 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:18.680 fucking pit vipers pit viper sunglasses a few years ago? I don't know anything 352 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:22.240 about. I wear black shirts every single day. I have three pairs of 353 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:26.839 pants. I don't I don't know what the modern equipment. Yeah, i'd 354 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:32.079 Saylambert too much variety when it comes to our modern yeah society, I would 355 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:36.720 just say like a car, a flashy car, or pitt vipers. I'm 356 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:40.279 just wanting you to agree with. So, although some have claimed the hat 357 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:42.640 man has attacked them, he's usually content with just to watch. So this 358 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:48.319 is where I think we cross that line of are you seeing a hat man 359 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.200 or are you being attacked by a shadow person? Because I have read several 360 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:56.640 encounters of a shadow person opening a door, and I haven't read very manipulating 361 00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:00.039 the physical realm. Yeah, so while I haven't read many stores of shadow 362 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:03.519 people attacking, I would assume if they can open a door, they can 363 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:06.359 probably smack the shit out of you. Well Tony Felosi, who works with 364 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:10.119 we should have Tony on this episode. Yeah, we should have. We 365 00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:12.640 should talk Tony about this and come in for a part two. Because Tony 366 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:18.599 Felosi down in Lynch, Kentucky and Harlan Uh, he works very very that's 367 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:22.400 his Niche basically a shadow people. He works with a lot of different people 368 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:27.440 down there in the hollers with shadow people experiences, and he's had some pretty 369 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:32.400 terrifying stories that he's told us. Well, what's interesting, And I find 370 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:34.720 it is interesting that the shadow of person phenomenon is so prevalent in the Appalachi 371 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:37.960 Appalachian region. I don't even want to just say the mountains because then just 372 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:41.920 this northern southern regions of Appalachia, there's a lot of these encounters. And 373 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:47.599 what makes me curious is I wonder if the shadow people, in comparison to 374 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:55.720 your traditional apparition is quite literally the everlasting remark of energy. Because we know 375 00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:57.640 how old, we think we know how old the Appalachians are. We know 376 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:02.200 they're older than bone. I don't think we've ever actually, I don't think 377 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:04.480 we ever actually been able to tell how old these mountains are. But you 378 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:08.559 would assume with that much energy, and we're talking people traversing through these mountains 379 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:12.680 since the beginning the dawn of history. I guess it probably isn't that crazy 380 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:18.079 that there's so many hauntings, specifically of shadow people, that these shadows, 381 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:23.119 these shadows shadow people, Jesus excuse me, could be actual manifestations from the 382 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:27.880 mountains. Yeah, I don't know. We just cracked it. Episodes over 383 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:34.160 played. So people who claim the hat man attacked them tell stories about being 384 00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:38.200 jumped on or choked and have experienced burning in their chests and tingling in their 385 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:41.680 scalp. That wasn't a hat person. That was the old woman from my 386 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:44.640 apartment, because she sat on my chest and I remember this like it was 387 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:49.440 last night. That shit was terrifying. Yeah. I'm still not a d 388 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:56.200 convinced that I was not asleep, because I have had some very insane dreams, 389 00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:00.599 especially the past couple of years. But I'm known to have an overactive 390 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:07.039 imagination, especially in the dark when I'm asleep. So this sounds more like 391 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:11.319 what I experienced, which I fully believe that you have your apparitions that are 392 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.680 that in between stages in shadow and your full bodied apparitions. I think that's 393 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.720 what I experienced more than just saying it was a shadow of an old woman, 394 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.319 because I know it was an old woman. But I've experienced this whole 395 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.599 something on your chest, the inability to breathe, thinking that you're going to 396 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.319 die, that level of panic, especially when you're first waking up. Is 397 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.440 there's nothing else like it that I can describe. Yeah, I don't want 398 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:38.039 God that shake gives me the chills because I can experience that without saying the 399 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:41.519 apparitions. Well, I mean you were there that night that it happened. 400 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:44.920 It was fucking terrifying. I'm talking about my sleep paralysis. Yeah, well, 401 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:47.640 we're gonna dive like, so we're gonna discuss sleep paralysis and why I 402 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:52.400 think it plays a part in this because rims sleep is a very weird, 403 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.839 weird thing that your brain does. Like finding out that that you release some 404 00:26:55.880 --> 00:27:02.720 of the same chemical compounds of DMT during rim sleep, that's that can't be 405 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:04.440 a coincidence. Yeah, we'll get to that in just a little bit. 406 00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:08.880 Um. So he tends to stay longer than the shadows then most shadow people 407 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:12.599 as well, has been spotted watching people in the mirror, bending over them 408 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.519 while they sleep, or just hanging out in the corner with a creepy smile 409 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.519 on his face. So again, now we're getting further away from the traditional 410 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.799 shadow people. We're seeing facial expressions, we're able to see his eyes, 411 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:29.039 gold pocket, pocket watch, hat clothing. I think we're getting into full 412 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:32.559 body apparitions. Yeah, apparitions, and I'm not going to I know, 413 00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:34.000 someone gonna say it's a demon. It's not a fuck. Demons aren't real. 414 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:37.480 We've been over this. This guy's just a fucking weirdo. He's probably 415 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:44.480 just like a clock person, a clock. Yeah, what is the there's 416 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.279 a word, there's a name for those people who do clocks as a living, 417 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.240 that sell fucking watches. He's probably just like trying to sell you a 418 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:53.880 watch. He's just like really aggressive about it. A clock person, optometrist. 419 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.640 Now I think it's an eye doctor. I don't know, it doesn't 420 00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:03.119 matter, but he's probably what he's probably a clock guy. Perhaps not attacking 421 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:07.160 a person and simply observing them from afar. It's much more terrifying, especially 422 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.759 since many people insist the hat Man has a solid form unlike other shadow people. 423 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:14.720 Then, while shadow people tend to disappear when it's time for them to 424 00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:18.440 leave, the hat Man has been seen floating above the ground or just walking 425 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.759 away. What is scarier if they just fucking disappear. If you watch him 426 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:29.039 walk like into your kitchen, probably walking into my kitchen because I think he's 427 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:33.359 an actual intruder. Yeah, so I would get into that fight or flight 428 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.319 mode, want to kick his ass, and then when I try to kick 429 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:40.440 his ass, either can't move or can't touch him. I wonder if there's 430 00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:45.519 any stories about a redneck just fucking opening blast. Oh the fucking hat man. 431 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.839 He's swinging his fucking pocket watch trying to reflect the bullets that he's dead 432 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.759 pool. The matrix is all over again. Oh man, that's that's that's 433 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.119 fucking that's a movie right there. You're welcome. Okay, so now we 434 00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.640 get into the hat man often appears during times of trauma, aggression, or 435 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:04.480 other negative emotional disturbances. Okay, So my issue before we even get to 436 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:10.079 that point is throughout history, there's been a lot of different instances of these 437 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:15.599 different types of manifestations of your emotions. There have literally been creatures of the 438 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.640 deep, like the deep ocean, the deep water that will come out during 439 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:25.079 times of anger, of war, of her to famine. And while these 440 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:30.759 are more mainstream topics and not like like overarching themes of a community, yea, 441 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:36.160 rather than an independent person's feelings. That has been a consistent thing that 442 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:41.359 we've done throughout humanity. Is I am trying to understand if it's the fact 443 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:47.039 that they couldn't understand what their emotions were and so they had to create something 444 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:52.039 to help understand it. If I making sense, Yes, they weren't able 445 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.839 to emotionally, they weren't able to be like, Okay, I'm sad or 446 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.559 I'm upset or I'm angry. So it's I need to do this. Yeah, 447 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.759 so I need to create something that embodies the emotion. Yeah, that's 448 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.759 what you're saying. So there have been different types of creatures like that throughout 449 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.599 history, but I don't think that's what hat Man is, but he sounds 450 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.200 very similar to it. Yeah. Well, I love that you brought up 451 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.400 the creatures of the deep because I was listening to a podcast. I listen 452 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.480 to a bunch of podcast shorts on YouTube because I'm trying to find more podcasts 453 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.000 that I like. The problem is, I have a very short attention span, 454 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.079 So sitting down for an hour and committing an hour to anything is fucking 455 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:33.039 hard. There were these two navy seals discussing things and they were talking about 456 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.480 they were the Mariana Trench. They were over there at one point, and 457 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:40.960 they got on the topic of sea monsters and he said, you know, 458 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.480 I had an instructor tell me if you look, you're gonna see them, 459 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.319 So you're better off just not looking straight down in the water. And they 460 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.559 both were like instantly changing the topic to like, well, we don't want 461 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:55.400 to talk about what we've seen. Because the one guy was like a submarine 462 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:59.400 commander. It would spend months underground, and he discussed like the depressurization and 463 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:03.200 everything that has to occur, and he told a very brief story about how 464 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:08.480 they were far under water and they had no contact for two months or something 465 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:11.440 crazy like that, and one night, about three o'clock in the morning, 466 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:17.079 they hit something. They hit it hard enough that it spun their submarine all 467 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.599 the way around and put them like not off traffic to the left or right, 468 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:26.599 but they went back in the direction from yeah, And they said that 469 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:27.680 the guy was like, had had to be a giant squid. That's the 470 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:32.359 only thing that he can think of. And the guy's like, you know, 471 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.559 Meglodon's has been spotted in those waters. And then they change the topic 472 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:37.240 and I'm like, you can't just you can't just taste me like that. 473 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.119 You gotta tell me more. Yeah, And it's like, well, either 474 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:44.119 you guys know what you're doing and you have people hooked, or this actually 475 00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:48.480 fucking happened. Yeah, okay, so I'm doing that. I'm not going 476 00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:51.440 in the water. Something about deep sea creatures just scare the shit out of 477 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:53.039 me. Yeah, but it's it's the same thing with aliens. So like, 478 00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.200 you don't see him until you start to look, and it's I would 479 00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:00.000 imagine the same thing will be said for open water excursions. You don't see 480 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.200 these things until you start to look for him. I don't like it. 481 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:06.559 I don't like it. Y'all can have that, Yeah, you can have 482 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:08.640 someone else can do that. In many cases, the hat Man seems to 483 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:13.759 be hanging around areas where there are negative emotions taking place, such as households 484 00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:17.759 have experienced domestic abuse, fighting, or depressed family members. Some people believe 485 00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:21.480 that the hat Man is a demon and sent to bring those who are about 486 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:27.200 to die to hell, and others think he is demonic. Now, I 487 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:32.279 still am of the impression that in our current society, when we don't fully 488 00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:37.759 understand something, especially those that still have the strong Christian core beliefs, we 489 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.160 just go with its demonic. And we were just having a discussion. We 490 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:43.680 watched a handful of movies over the past couple of days. For one, 491 00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:47.200 Dungeons and Dragons fucking phenomenal. If you go on with the expectations this is 492 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:51.839 a campaign, it's ten times funnier. Yeah, But we watched another one 493 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:55.240 that Man on Earth. No, that was that's a that's a Patreon episode 494 00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.359 right there, but yeah, I got to talk about that over there. 495 00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:02.160 Then we watched what was the Devil's Peak, Devil's Peak that took place in 496 00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:07.839 appalachia'suposually in the western North Carolina Appalachia. I'm just gonna go ahead and say 497 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:13.319 that, I seriously, I know I'm gonna get off topic here, but 498 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:17.160 I am thinking that I'm going through the damn Mandela effect because so many movies 499 00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:23.039 and documentaries are saying Appalachia, and I know I got my ass freamed as 500 00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:30.079 a kid for saying Appalachia or anything that wasn't Appalachia. So I know I'm 501 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.039 not saying it wrong, and you're not gonna convince me otherwise. Get it 502 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:37.559 right if you're gonna make a movie about that area. Correct. But my 503 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.119 point was Billy Bob Thornton's character. There's a point where he speaks to his 504 00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:45.160 ex wife and she said, the devil's got its hand on you. Devil's 505 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:46.799 got its hold on you. And it just reminded me of things like this 506 00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:52.240 where when we don't have a grasp of something that's especially otherworldly in nature, 507 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:59.000 there is a certain subgroup of people who always jump to it's the devil well 508 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:04.480 because it sees a great or concepts in life that make it easy for humanity 509 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:08.320 to understand. We always need a way to explain our surroundings and what we're 510 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:14.800 experiencing, and if it's something that should not be happening, we attribute it 511 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:20.239 to these greater than life's ideologies because that's what makes it easiest for our brain 512 00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.000 to say, Okay, this is why that's happening. So most people, 513 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:29.199 when raised in a Christian home or in some form of Christianity, will attribute 514 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:34.440 it to God, the devil, or to angels or demons. Very well, 515 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:37.679 said I think doctor Calm Kellerhurst said it best in my opinion when he 516 00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:42.920 said the greatest sin of man is when we when we see something is what 517 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.159 did you say, when we see something that is not immediately lightened nature, 518 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:50.760 we cast it into the dark. And he was discussing upology as a whole 519 00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.679 because his hed gone to his church. This is when he was younger, 520 00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:57.920 first getting into ufology in his church. Said that's you know, the UFOs 521 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.639 to the devil, devil's work these this is the devil pointing away from God. 522 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:06.079 That's all this is. And he remembered thinking like, there isn't there. 523 00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.760 It's entirely possible for science and religion to coexist. We're just choosing to 524 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:14.880 look away because it's easier and it fits a certain narrative more than another. 525 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.639 Yeah, yeah, I can see that. It's it's it's tough. So 526 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:21.519 back to the hat man here, um, Heidi Hollis may be able to 527 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:24.159 go maybe able to back that statement up with a story that a German soldier 528 00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:29.440 told her about witnessing the hat man, asking who he was and being told 529 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.400 Scratch, an old nickname for the devil. Hollis also were kind of the 530 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:37.079 story of a suicidal man who woke up to find himself in the hospital and 531 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.039 the hat Man close by. According to the story, the hat Man quickly 532 00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:44.960 disappeared after the man woke up, but not before saying I almost had you. 533 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:51.239 So now the Hatman steam and he's a reaper type of supernatural. Definitely 534 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:52.639 would have done an episode about the hat Man, but they were still going 535 00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:57.199 on. Yeah, they might have. We haven't gone through all of that. 536 00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.880 I'm still in season seven, which I know I'm gonna get a whole 537 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.559 lou of that's the worst season. You just got a power through. I 538 00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:06.800 know I'm trying. I'm doing the best I can. Some people believe the 539 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:10.159 Hatman emits a very powerful negative energy and feeds off the fear he causes. 540 00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:17.880 So I'm really interested in this because I went down the remember that vampire show. 541 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:22.199 I was watching what we Do in the Shadows. Yes, so there's 542 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:28.840 there's the emotional vampire. So I found out that the emotional vampire actually has 543 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:34.840 a grip and there's an historical significance of the emotional vampire, and kings and 544 00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:39.199 queens of yesterday would have these people around them who were able to deflate a 545 00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:45.400 room when they didn't want to be there anymore. Yeah, what yeah, 546 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:50.159 like they would basically suck the life out of the room by either being super 547 00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.480 negative or well, I've got a story, and then the story would would 548 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:55.760 go on for three hours and have nothing to do with the conversation. But 549 00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:00.199 they were They believe that that was the basis for the emotional Empire arc that 550 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.480 then took place in the twentieth century. Don't be an emotional vampire. Don't 551 00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:07.199 be an emotional f I fucking love what we do in the show's a child. 552 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:12.039 It's such a good show. We have two different definitions of good shows. 553 00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.519 People can usually feel when they're being watched, and a gaze from the 554 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.920 hat Man is no exception. Many of also noted a very dark energy emitted 555 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.440 from him, and they say they immediately knew he was extremely evil, and 556 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.960 they very like and very like they wanted to kill them some kind of feeling 557 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:30.840 the hat Man is enjoying their fear and actually feeding off fit. It is 558 00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:34.119 possible, however, that since most people who witness the hat Man are usually 559 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:38.920 already fearful, angry, or other emotionally charged states thanks to whatever the negative 560 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:42.840 thing is going on in their life, they associate that the hat Man is 561 00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:47.119 making these negative fears to him. Because he appears in so many different situations 562 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.960 and occasionally to several people in the same family, there isn't really a clear 563 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.159 explanation if he's truly evil and why he appears to so many people. I 564 00:37:54.199 --> 00:38:02.400 can actually explain this very easily. People's fear has a way of completely indoctrinating 565 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:07.000 them into a core belief system. And I've seen this during ghost hunts where 566 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:10.119 we've had not recently, but when I was in high school and we'd have 567 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.880 Tyler and I would be the we're ghost hunters, and then there'd be seven 568 00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:19.440 buddies who just didn't believe in the ship. When something would happen and you 569 00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.840 hear they're we're telling we saw a demon. You would hear Tyler, Tyler 570 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.360 wouldn't see anything, and I'd be like, well, no, I saw 571 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:30.039 you a shadow go by. But my account versus their account, I was 572 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:34.719 terrified. I could feel it was evil. It was approaching me. It 573 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:39.840 almost had me. Again. We go back to the understand the misunderstanding as 574 00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:45.199 categorization of these things, of instantly making them have to be evil because we 575 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:49.719 don't know, our brains can't compute what the fuck is going on, it 576 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:54.039 shouldn't be happening, and so our brain needs to rationalize why it happens. 577 00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:59.440 And to add on to that, which was a very good point to add 578 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.320 on to that, fear and these different types of emotions manipulate your brain. 579 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:10.000 Your brain operates completely different on fear and survival state than it would being happy 580 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:15.400 and healthy and growing. We actually had when I used to work at the 581 00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:19.360 school system. I went through to a conference because we worked with a lot 582 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:23.840 of people who are impoverished, children who are impoverished, and you know, 583 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.039 we're in a lot of different bad situations, and so we learned about the 584 00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:34.239 effects of fear and survival on a child's brain in that situation. Then you 585 00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.079 know, a regular learning state of a child I have, but it's still 586 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.559 applicable for adults as well. It can literally alter how you are perceiving your 587 00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:45.880 own reality absolutely so, I mean we don't even know the full extent of 588 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:50.360 how much damage. I don't even want to say damage, because it's literally 589 00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:54.920 just changing your brain. So if you're constantly in a state of chaos of 590 00:39:55.000 --> 00:40:00.000 her a fear of being sad, it will alter your perception of reality. 591 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.400 Yeah, and it can be both ways. It can mean that you have 592 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:07.480 a heightened sense of fear and everything is terrifying, or I've seen the opposite. 593 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:14.440 I've been I've been with investigators who drew up in a very volatile household 594 00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:17.639 where you get in these locations and they're they're not afraid of anything. Like 595 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:22.519 you'll hear a wolf hound. They're not afraid of the wolf because they've dealt 596 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.760 with that wolf their entire fucking life. And it's really interesting now that you 597 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.880 bring that up, that I have seen this, and I think that's a 598 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:34.239 good way to distinguish certain investigators from one another, because again, if you're 599 00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:36.920 like you said, if you're used to this, you may put it in 600 00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.360 a separate box in your brain and it might mean something completely different to you 601 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:44.079 than it does to me. And I think a great representation that is Randolph 602 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.559 County. We were told by a bunch of different people after we went that 603 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.320 it's demons, it's invested with demons, it's that place is pure fucking evil, 604 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:58.239 And I'm like, I never once felt anything evil demonic there. I 605 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:02.840 felt more scared and like for my life, like in eastern Kentucky in those 606 00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:07.519 caves, then I did in Randolph County. Yeah, and the thing is, 607 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.519 like, I stand by what I said before we released a Phantom Farm. 608 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:16.679 I believe I can't the most convincing evidence of the paranormal whatever we want 609 00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:21.880 to call it, in existence, at least in my modern lifetime on a 610 00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:25.199 high quality camera. And I never once thought demon. I thought, this 611 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:30.760 thing is fucking playing with us. It's it's it's it's having a good time. 612 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.639 Yeah, it's having a good time at our expense, but nonetheless it's 613 00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.440 having I'd never feel like it was going to attack me. And even when 614 00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.599 you were afraid in the base room, you never once said I'm afraid to 615 00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:43.119 be in here, I'm afraid to be alone. Yeah. It was always 616 00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.039 there's some fuckery of foot Yeah, because there was. There definitely was. 617 00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:50.360 So yeah, I mean this is that could be an episode all on its 618 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:54.119 own. It's just the psychology. Yeah, breaking down the paradigms of the 619 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:58.199 paranormal. Yeah, no, I agree with that. Okay, So like 620 00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.519 shadow people, the hat man often hears when people are experiencing sleep paralysis. 621 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.840 Sleep paralysis is a sleep disorder that scientists believe. Oh, actually we're going 622 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:09.320 to dive into that, so I'm going to skip that subsection because we're going 623 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:13.880 to dive into sleep proalysis like as a whole, and I don't want this 624 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.559 to kind of summarize certain things. So the last thing I want to talk 625 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:21.559 about about his back story. He's been taking Sorry, He's been seen all 626 00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:24.800 over the world, making the hat Man a global phenomenon. This is what 627 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:28.400 interests me the most, and I feel like it's gonna go over a lot 628 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.119 of people's heads with why I find this important, but I still think it's 629 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:35.360 pretty fucking cool. In two thousand and one, the subject of shadow people 630 00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:38.079 was first introduced to the mainstream via Coast to Coast AM. So this is 631 00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:42.719 actually wrong. It was before the Coast to Coast to Coast to Coast interview 632 00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:47.320 happened thirty days after the first post. After the broadcast, many people sit 633 00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:52.280 in drawings and what they had seen seen and shared stories about their own experiences 634 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:57.840 with shadow people. Author and Strange Encounter enthusiast Heidi Hollis that had in two 635 00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.880 thousand and eight that there was a commonly seen shadow person she named hat Man, 636 00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:04.840 and people all over the world claimed to have been visited by him as 637 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.960 well. No one expected so many people to have these experiences with hat Man 638 00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:12.920 or shadow people, but the similarity of people's stories have given the creepy dark 639 00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.800 Man a lot of popularity and more credibility for other people. There have been 640 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:21.199 over thirteen thousand sidings not from the US, in twenty twenty three alone, 641 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.719 in twenty twenty three alone, So again we're making this with the assumption that 642 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:30.039 this isn't people just doing it for the hype, jumping on the the fun 643 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:32.440 train. We see this in like our slash Fear all the time, in 644 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:37.840 our Slash No Sleep, where like a big a good example this is the 645 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.679 park rangers stories. There was a thing back in like two thousand and nine 646 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.639 through two thousand and ten where there were park rangers who were being let go, 647 00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:46.519 and then during the pandemic as well, park rangers are being let go, 648 00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:52.119 and so they were spending time on Reddit sharing these encounters of just weird 649 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.880 shit in the parks, not always supernatural, but sometimes just fucking bad hill 650 00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.480 abilities or people just doing weird shit out in the parks. Well, after 651 00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:02.199 every time you'd have this little wave of what I would consider credible reports, 652 00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:08.199 there would be a fucking wave of yeah, and then you would find like 653 00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.119 similarities between the posts from two thousand and six. It's like, oh, 654 00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:15.239 weird, you guys are in the exact same spot on the exact same day, 655 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:17.280 at the exact same time. Yeah, I'm sure you were, so 656 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:21.480 okay before we dive into the sleep prows of stuff? Where are you at 657 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:24.920 with hat Man? So far? Are we still thinking shadow person going towards 658 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:28.920 apparition? Where we act? I don't know, because I think it's more 659 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:34.559 manfestation than anything, because he means so much, He means such different things 660 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.760 to so many different people. I think it's more like an aggregor in my 661 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.119 opinion. Okay, let me ask you this. Is it possible that what 662 00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:46.840 people are experiencing initially first thirty seconds is the shadow person phenomenon, and then 663 00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:52.920 their brain, in an attempt to rationalize what they're seeing, turns this completely 664 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:58.079 nonsensical being being a shadow person into that hat Man? Yeah, I could. 665 00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:00.679 I could see that. I get a in that way. That's what 666 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:04.199 I've kind of a loss as for a while. Yeah, because a lot 667 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.400 of it is association, like I see you, but this is how I 668 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:10.639 interpret you exactly. Okay, Yeah, okay, so now this is from 669 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:14.800 an actual someone did this? Did this for their thesis for their doctrine. 670 00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:17.360 All right, and this is going to be kind of just diving into sleep 671 00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:21.519 paralysis, so we have an understanding of what it is and why this could 672 00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:25.679 be occurring. Rapid eye movement or REM sleep for good reasons, is referred 673 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.960 to as paradoxyl sleep. Our blood pressure, heart rate, and breathing become 674 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.280 elevated. And I'm not even gonna try. Okay, I'm gonna try to 675 00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:44.760 pronounce this so a nurse can correct me. Electro and philography great pronunciation or 676 00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:50.599 EG records A record show a peculiar low voltage and mixed frequency pattern, and 677 00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.840 in fact, the firing pattern of most neurons during REM sleep resemble those of 678 00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:58.719 wakefulness. So it's measuring the activity of your brain. Yeah, an eeg. 679 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:02.360 And in some case is neurons fire and even more intense burst being like 680 00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:07.719 lateral. Why so, how your brain is communicating is through your neurons, 681 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:14.679 and it's like a web of connectors of your nerves and that's how they communicate. 682 00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:17.239 Like pain through your body can tell you what area it goes to. 683 00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:24.480 And so they're measuring it's literally electromagnetic energy that's being emitted by those neurons, 684 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:29.639 if I remember correctly, And so that's how they're measuring your activity because the 685 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:32.880 more electromagnetic energy, the more active your neurons are. Yes, thank you 686 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.760 amana science. So anyway, in some cases these neurons are firing and even 687 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:43.559 more intense burst during rim sleep. Then when we're awake, this is not 688 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.920 that would mean heightened activity. That means you're experiencing something. Yeah, like 689 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.480 if you're running and in a marathon or something you're I hadn't know if his 690 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:58.480 coal activity has anything to do with neuron activity, but it's a heightened state 691 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:02.199 basically. Yeah. Some people have described when it comes to rem sleep the 692 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:06.679 same thing that happens to take ayahuasca. Ayahuasca is a much shorter journey, 693 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:10.719 but psilocybin mushrooms for to six hours DMT fifteen minutes, it can it's actually 694 00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:16.239 a very similar replication of rim sleep, but in a very enhanced and direct 695 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:20.480 way. Whereas rim sleep is kind of all over your brain when you take 696 00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:24.000 these psychedelics, it's a direct path to these locations. And let me tell 697 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.840 you something else that's weird about rim sleep is we were always under the impression 698 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:34.000 and science for a very long time that we slept because we needed to rest, 699 00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.519 and because we were sleeping, everything else was resting. So it was 700 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:44.880 thought that our brain was like basically turned off during this time. It didn't 701 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:49.079 have a lot of activity. But not only was that wrong, it has 702 00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:52.199 heightened activity that can be more than what we use on a day to day 703 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:54.119 basis, which is weird. Well, what's interesting about that. There was 704 00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:59.679 a study done not too long ago over like recreational marijuana users to use it 705 00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.440 can system Like we're talking daily and how sometimes when they take a break and 706 00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:05.480 then they smoke again and they sleep and said, yeah, this is the 707 00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.079 best teap I've ever had. Well, it's because I might be quoting this 708 00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:13.199 wrong with when I understood when you have that break and your body begins to 709 00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:16.599 kind of normalize, get back to regular levels. The end take a THHC 710 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:21.679 is putting your brain into overdrive with rem sleep. So you're going into rim 711 00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:24.760 sleep much faster and you're staying in it much longer, and because of that, 712 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:29.280 your brain is literally exhausting itself. So when you wake up you feel 713 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.880 refreshed, but kind of foggy because your brain's been working non time all night 714 00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:37.360 long. Yeah, interesting stuff. This is not all too surprising, as 715 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:42.880 we have our most vivid and emotionally charged dreams during rem sleep, often involving 716 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.800 a complex story plot. In order for us to not act out these dreams 717 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:51.719 potentially hurt ourselves, our brain has an ingenious solution. It leaves us temporarily 718 00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:55.400 paralyzed from head to toe. This parole prolysis is triggered by the ponds, 719 00:48:55.920 --> 00:49:04.719 including the ponite recticular formation I can read, I promise, and virtual meridial. 720 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:07.719 I don't know what this means, but basically, it suppresses your skeletal 721 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:13.280 muscle tone during RIM sleep via inhibition or of motor neurons and the spinal cord. 722 00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:17.079 There's actually been some reported people who never pull out of RIM sleep and 723 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:22.519 it causes like short form paralysis, like like they wake up, but their 724 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:27.760 body never wakes up. I wonder how you would fix that. You'd have 725 00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.000 to send like a shock. I have no idea. It just mentioned it 726 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.599 here is a fun fact, So I just threw it out. I threw 727 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.519 it out like it was just like in my brain already. But occasionally, 728 00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:42.719 perceptual activation occurs when we start to wake up mentally while under the quote unquote 729 00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.679 spell I love that. During a thesis they use the word spell of rim 730 00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:51.519 paralysis. The result is a curious condition called sleep paralysis, where the person 731 00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:57.599 is left trapped unable to move or speak upon falling asleep or awakening. So 732 00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:02.679 occasionally, during sleep paralysis, the sensory system is clear and oscular and respiratory 733 00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:08.320 movements remain intact, culminating into a state of semi consciousness or coupled with body 734 00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:12.920 paralysis. That's when you're awake. You can but you can't move. You 735 00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.639 can look around the room, and it's terrifying. Well, once only thought 736 00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:20.519 to arise in the context of narcolepsy, we now know that twenty percent of 737 00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:25.079 the general population have sleep paralysis episodes. During some paralysis, the vivid and 738 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:32.559 sometimes terrifying dreams of rem sleep can spell over into emerging wakefulness. Hypno gadgetape, 739 00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:43.519 hypno hYP and o g ogic Hallucinations occur in all century modalities hYP hYP 740 00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:49.159 n o g o gic and then the next the next words spelled the same, 741 00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.320 we would have some fucking m stone in there for some reason some science 742 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:58.360 words. Anyway, Hallucinations occure and all sensory modalities, including out of body 743 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.599 experiences and sensing seeing the presence of menacing intruders in one's bedroom can't occur. 744 00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:06.960 So this was taken back in twenty fourteen. This thesis was so this isn't 745 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:10.960 like a new thing by stretch of the imagination. And I think this was 746 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:17.280 like the medical science's answer for sleep paralysis demons, which is what's funny because 747 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:22.079 growing up, that's what they were called, and now we call them the 748 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:27.840 shadow people. Um, I don't know, really know. I'm not entirely 749 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.559 convinced that I don't have a group of little fucking gnomes that live in my 750 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.280 my, my closet. We've been over this a few different times. I'm 751 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:38.599 confident that on certain things that I've done, I will wake up and I 752 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:44.199 will be talking to these things that live in our closet. I've cleans, 753 00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:46.000 don't ask. I'm not making this up. I'm COMPI in there. They 754 00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:51.119 are these two little fucking gnome like creatures and just like that old credibility just 755 00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:52.679 sap it up. I've tried to get them to come up and sit on 756 00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:54.760 the bed. They won't do it. It's a whole thing, that's a 757 00:51:54.800 --> 00:52:00.480 whole conversation scouting you for inviting them in. It's they're already here. They 758 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:02.639 are, They're already in the closet. I'm just inviting them to talk to 759 00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:07.920 me and stop fucking poking their little heads out because we actually bearing mama just 760 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:12.559 in mome costumes. There was a time where I was convinced that it was 761 00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.039 small cat who was just creepy because he has a way of getting in the 762 00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:19.519 bedroom and he will hobble on the bed and then you'll think he left the 763 00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.400 room, but he actually like creeped around and got underneath the bed. It's 764 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:24.079 weird, but there was. There have been a few times from like that 765 00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:29.000 fucking cat has convinced me that there are gnomes that live in my fucking I'm 766 00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:31.320 a thirty year old man who thinks that there are gnomes in my closet. 767 00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.000 And we've got like these two curtains that shut our walk in closet, and 768 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:42.039 I'm like, and you'll see their little heads poke out of where the curtains 769 00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.639 meet in the middle. It doesn't matter, but that's why you sleep on 770 00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:47.599 that side of the bed. Yeah, So okay, so now I want 771 00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:51.760 to have a conversation, you know, real fast about this hat Man phenomenon 772 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:55.039 bleeding over into uphology. Okay, there are certain ufologists who are convinced that 773 00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:59.559 the hat man is no more than a man in black. Yeah, So 774 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:05.440 why people are believing this, it is because there was It's kind of difficult 775 00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.559 to go back, but we had to go back to the Flying Saucers and 776 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.440 Three Men book and that it was in nineteen sixty two. It was summarized 777 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:16.639 very well in the Mothban Prophecies by John kieltake Shot and also Bender wrote about 778 00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:20.360 this. There's been a bunch of people who have summarized this book. It's 779 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:24.119 relatively thin, but it explored the idea of men in black coming to you 780 00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:29.440 in a dream state versus through the channels when you're changing your radio or appearing 781 00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:30.719 to you as a physical being. Well, let me just go ahead and 782 00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:36.679 say something real quick. So if you are truly in a heightened state of 783 00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:42.639 neuron activity, and we don't really know what that equivalates to, we don't 784 00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:49.760 know the repercussions of that to its full extent, just based on spirituality and 785 00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:54.599 a lot of things that people talk about with a cult activity of trying to 786 00:53:54.639 --> 00:54:00.280 get to a heightened sense, a heightened state in your mind of yourself. 787 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:05.840 Yeah, you would be more susceptible to communicate with these other beings, these 788 00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:09.199 other realms and things like that in that rim state than you would during your 789 00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:14.239 normal waking state. Just something to kind of put out there. So it 790 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:17.199 would make sense to me that you would be able to talk to a Men 791 00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:22.840 in Black type creature or person during that heightened sense. Yeah, if we 792 00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.719 put the if we take it at face value, Yeah, I just kind 793 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:29.800 of wanted to put that out there. So I wanted to bring this up 794 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:34.679 because it does beg an interesting fact because the idea of men and Black appearing 795 00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:38.400 to you in anything from dreams to dropping in thoughts into your brain to a 796 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:43.239 physical manifestation of them knock you on your front door. It's not a new 797 00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:45.480 thought. This goes back to the forties and the fifties during the original like 798 00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:50.679 I would say, the origin of the Men in Black in the beginning, 799 00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:53.960 and John Keel discusses us very well talking about the devil coming to your doorstep 800 00:54:54.000 --> 00:55:00.880 in West Virginia where he was technically confused down the line by this fan whereas 801 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:04.519 Card broken down outside a point pleasant and he knocked on the door asking for 802 00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:07.800 a fucking phone, almost got shot in the face. Yeah, multiple times, 803 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.960 because he had to go to multiple houses. Well, one of these 804 00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:15.400 people ended up talking to Mary Hire seeing the fucking devil came to my door. 805 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:21.199 Yeah. Then this was later recalled to John Keel several years later where 806 00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:24.400 he was miss confused. Like he was, he was misidentified as a devil, 807 00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:29.400 a man in black, and then John Keel all in the same night. 808 00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:30.599 And he had this funny quote like I say, I don't know which 809 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:34.719 one's worse. Oh, I don't know which one's worse to come to come 810 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:36.559 to your doorstep in the middle of the night, John Keel, the devil 811 00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:40.559 are men in black. But it was always funny because people thought that they 812 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:44.840 were bringing him a new story that was actually him from the get go. 813 00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:47.320 So I wanted to bring that up because it's it's not very often that we 814 00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:52.880 have a I'm gonna say the hat Man's more in the paranormal field crossed into 815 00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.000 the you know, the indo ufology, and there's a lot of ufologists who 816 00:55:55.000 --> 00:56:00.400 think, no look to the sky after a hat Man encounter. I uarantee 817 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:04.159 you see something interesting. But the question is, and I have to bring 818 00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:07.719 this up. Is this just one field trying to claim another cooler thing from 819 00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:12.400 another field. It could be. It could be, but it's also all 820 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.760 connected in my opinions, so like you'll never really know. Yeah, so 821 00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:17.880 now I want to read two or three things off the Hatman Project. So 822 00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:22.880 I definitely encourage you guys go to the Hatman project dot com support this. 823 00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:24.360 There's not a lot of these pair of blogs out there that are left, 824 00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:30.719 especially not ones who were attempting to put a spotlight on people's encounters. Yeah, 825 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:35.000 yeah, a personal encounter. So this one is titled dark Walker, 826 00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.760 and it was not submitted by anybody's It just says by admin, so I'm 827 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:42.880 guessing it that's who approved it. On a summer evening in twenty eighteen, 828 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:45.400 I was walking back from my neighborhood corner store after a short ten minute trip. 829 00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:50.199 I always look back after every corner, even though my neighborhood is usually 830 00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:53.679 peaceful, but this was beginning was the beginning of my worst experience living here 831 00:56:53.719 --> 00:57:00.519 ever. I was about three street blocks away from my house and corner. 832 00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:05.280 There were very bright led lamp lights, providing excellent visibility even in the fog. 833 00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:07.599 As I was walking and getting closer to my house, I looked back, 834 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:10.320 as I normally do, to see who else was out in the evening. 835 00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:14.920 That's why I saw it. It was walking and standing at least six 836 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:17.880 and a half feet tall. It was completely solid black. It had no 837 00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:22.960 face, no toes, and no fingers. It was just an upright black 838 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:27.000 figure. Even as it walked under the super bright corner light pole, it 839 00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.719 stayed in its form. I had no sense of being afraid. This is 840 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:35.320 interesting because he's not asleep. No, he's just walking home. So is 841 00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:38.320 the hat man getting stronger? Is it? Did it malady its way into 842 00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:44.360 I don't know. I knew if it was anywhere. I'm sorry, I 843 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.039 had no sense of being afraid. I knew if it was anyone else, 844 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:50.239 the hairs on their skin would have lifted up and they would have been terrified. 845 00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:52.400 But for some reason, I had no fear, just a sense of 846 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:57.519 curiosity and a little anger. Brittany, as this sew as it came to 847 00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.559 the corner of the street that walked next to a corner la pole and put 848 00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:04.440 its arm behind it where I could not see. It made a swirling motion 849 00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.079 twice, and then hunched down and stepped into behind the light pole, which 850 00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:10.239 was made of iron. It did not come out of the other side. 851 00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.079 I watched for fifteen seconds before it disappeared from sight. I walked back, 852 00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:19.320 feeling angry because I felt like I was being followed. I had to find 853 00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:22.519 out the truth it had been following me. It was still near me. 854 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:25.480 It's pressure made a static sound. It had a very bad odor. It 855 00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:30.280 also loved to scratch human skin and talked in a different sound of communication with 856 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.519 its kind. They were invisible to our eyes, but to rh negatives, 857 00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.880 we could pick up some traces of their noises. So RH negative isn't that 858 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:42.039 blood type like the new blood type. I have no idea. You should 859 00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:45.559 google this real fast. While I'm reading them, we could pick up on 860 00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:49.800 some traces of their noises, while others could not or didn't even notice it. 861 00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:53.519 I concluded that it was evil and was an entity of fallen extraterrestrials also 862 00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:58.199 known as fallen angels. One evening, while I was lying down, I 863 00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:01.800 was getting annoyed of it pestering me visibly just being a few feet away as 864 00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:05.719 always. I ended up swatting at it, trying to shoot away like a 865 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:08.960 stray animal. Once I was done, part of my finger was somewhat moist. 866 00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:12.559 I smell my finger, then put it to the of my tongue. 867 00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.400 Don't ever do that. If your finger smells funny, don't put it in 868 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:19.320 your mouth. Goddamn. I never wanted to vomit more in my life. 869 00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:22.280 My stomach was hurling for the heaviest for at least an hour. I had 870 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:28.000 to drink vinegar and brush my teeth a few times. The vision I received 871 00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:32.760 from its invisible liquid was that of I'm sorry, bro, I don't mean 872 00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.519 to laugh, but I you know what's happening. I'm over here researching RH. 873 00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:39.880 I'll give you a TLDR. At the end, I had to drink 874 00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:44.400 vinegar and brush my teeth a few times. The vision I received from its 875 00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.800 invisible liquid was that it was forced very unwillingly from a bright subject from above. 876 00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:53.280 I also saw a massive formation of its kind on dry land longer than 877 00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:58.360 the eye can see. Being RH negative now has become a change of reality 878 00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:00.760 for me. I saw what I saw, and I know what I know 879 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:02.840 all by myself. I found that I have a gift too. With a 880 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.800 poem on my hands, I can always pick up and know the direction of 881 01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:10.760 north south, eastern wats without using a compass. That just took a really 882 01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:17.679 weird direction. Maybe we shouldn't keep these blocks open. Yeah, I might 883 01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:22.360 have spoken to you soon. Okay, what is RH negative RH negative? 884 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:29.000 So you have classification of O A or B positive or negative, and it's 885 01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:34.440 a further classification of if r H is a protein as on the outside of 886 01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:40.320 a blood cells RH factor and if if you are RH positive, if you 887 01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:45.000 have the protein, you're RH negative if you do not have the protein. 888 01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:49.039 If you do not have the protein, you can still donate to people who 889 01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:53.480 do have the protein. If you have the protein, you can only like 890 01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:59.280 give blood to people who have the protein. Okay, Well, the TLDR 891 01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:01.960 of this is he all this thing outside? It followed him back in. 892 01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:07.039 Okay, it stayed around for a while. He stuck out his finger, 893 01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:09.920 The finger got wet, He smelled it, then tasted it and not a 894 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:15.280 hallucination for all the men out there. Girls, go ahead and turn off 895 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.599 the podcast for a minute. If you ever stick your finger in something and 896 01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:23.159 you don't know what it is and it comes back moist, never ever, 897 01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:30.239 ever let your fucking what is what are those called intrusive thoughts take over and 898 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:37.000 stick it in your mouth. Why if Papa Paranormal taught you anything like Look, 899 01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:39.159 I'm from the nineties. I heard, you know, looking lick before 900 01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:45.320 you stick. I heard that. But don't don't stick random fluids in your 901 01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:47.559 mouth. People. It's twenty twenty three. I shouldn't have to say that. 902 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:51.360 You should all be grown ups. But please don't put random liquids in 903 01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:54.239 your mouth. Oh god, what is interesting about this though? And I 904 01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:58.000 can't believe I was. I'm able to find a segue here, but I'm 905 01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:01.719 you gotta do it, profess. Recently, over on Missing Person's Mysteries, 906 01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:07.320 we did our first episode of Subscribers Stories and there was a war veteran who 907 01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:10.519 described these um beings. I think he was staying at his He was staying 908 01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:14.519 at a family's friend. If you guys go go find the subscriber Stories number 909 01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:17.920 one on the channel. A war veteran was staying at a sister's home. 910 01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:22.079 He was staying at some home in California. These entities came in. They 911 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.280 were coming into his house. He couldn't see them, but he heard them 912 01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:30.639 the static noises. There is some cross over here between these two beings. 913 01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:35.599 Yeah, I have heard he didn't sticking his finger in them though, as 914 01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:37.239 far as I know, or maybe he's just too a shame he might have 915 01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:39.679 cut that part of that might have been the last paragraph I forgot to read. 916 01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:44.119 I don't know. But what is interesting is that the static noises. 917 01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:49.440 That's something that I have read about in dozens of cases when it comes to 918 01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:54.079 the paranormal and some ephological sites where people see a craft and they follow the 919 01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:58.199 craft and they hear these static And when I think, when I say static, 920 01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:02.719 I mean the high resonation noises of say a power poll. Isn't that 921 01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:07.960 the same sound you here with radiation too? I don't, I don't, 922 01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:13.079 I don't know. It might be. I don't. I don't actually know. 923 01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:15.000 Let me update this. Don't stick any radioactivity in your mouth either. 924 01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:19.519 I shouldn't have to say these things, but I just don't do that. 925 01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.559 Guy. I don't know. Because that took a turn. I thought, 926 01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:24.440 Oh, he saw a hat man during the daytime. He went to the 927 01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:29.039 corner store. Goun'm smokes. No, now he's licking it. Where did 928 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.159 we go wrong? Don't I'm gonna we need a T shirt. Don't put 929 01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:35.119 the hat man in your mouth. That's the next Telson with our T shirt. 930 01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:40.960 I shouldn't have to say that. Oh God, if you see him, 931 01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:45.199 you know, fight him yourself, take him out, cross apples, 932 01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:47.400 taking out to dinner. I feel like there's some steps that should have happened 933 01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:51.840 before you put his goo in your mouth. That's all I'm saying. Okay, 934 01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:54.000 moving on one more story here for the episode is over. Did you 935 01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:58.280 proofread this one? No, okay, I'm not going to Here we go, 936 01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:00.840 So this one starts. Hello. My name is Edward, and okay, 937 01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:03.559 this is already Terrible's names Edward. And when I was around ten or 938 01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:06.920 eleven, we lived in a small town west of Austin, Texas. We 939 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.679 had a trailer house that was adjacent to the house we both lived in. 940 01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:15.559 One night in the spring of seventy eight or seventy nine, so this prefaces 941 01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:18.119 the two thousand and one siding. Then I was sleeping in my grandma's bed, 942 01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:21.239 waiting for to come home and then go to my bed. I woke 943 01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:26.079 up some time in the late evening, upper body upright in bed, dripping 944 01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:29.000 with sweat, and just started to start I'm sorry, just staring out the 945 01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:31.360 door of the room into my living room. I was incredibly sick and often 946 01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:35.159 slept in my grandmother's bed. But I was sick. That sounds a little 947 01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:40.760 familiar to one of your little stories. I could not make out any features 948 01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:44.079 of what I was staring at. I was scared and terrified, frozen. 949 01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:47.280 I saw a figure with a brimmed hat, long trench coat, no features, 950 01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:51.760 shadow color, and dull looking. My grandmother walked into the room right 951 01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:56.599 through the shadow figure and he disappeared. She saw me sitting upright, dripping 952 01:04:56.599 --> 01:04:59.360 with sweat, and asked what was wrong with me. I told her I 953 01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:01.360 was okay and with bed. I am fifty five years old, and these 954 01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:05.039 days I struggle to remember some things. One thing in my mind that I 955 01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:09.800 can vividly remember was this incident when I was a kid. Knowing that others 956 01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:12.679 are experiencing the same thing is really mind blowing, and it scares me a 957 01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.800 little for some reason every time I think about what happened. First off, 958 01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:18.920 he should have told your nana. Yeah, nana's always want to hear the 959 01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:23.039 spooky stuff. I mean, she might tell you just get over it, 960 01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:28.920 but still should have told her that would That's interesting though, that that kind 961 01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:31.320 of changes the landscape of this that it goes back way further than we thought 962 01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.679 it did if you take these stories at face. Yeah, yeah, Okay, 963 01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:36.440 one more here, because I know we have a lot of people who 964 01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:40.440 listen on the night shift. This one's titled the hat Man on Night Shift, 965 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:44.679 So you're welcome. There's any goo, I'm just walking away. It 966 01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:46.480 was like any other day. I decided to lie down and get some sleep 967 01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:49.119 before I had to go work the night shift. As I was about to 968 01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:53.920 fall asleep, I hit my sleep paralysis. It started off with a noise. 969 01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:57.440 It sounded like a helicopter blade or a plane engine. Then I started 970 01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:00.880 seeing black and white light flashing. As I fell deeper into sleep paralysis, 971 01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:04.320 the noise got louder, But I had a dream. What was happening. 972 01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:08.760 I was in a public bathroom and as I walked in, I saw two 973 01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:12.639 black shadows. One I had long black hair, and the other I couldn't 974 01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:16.119 clearly see. As I closed the door, the long black haired shadow changed 975 01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:20.440 or charged me with a knife and then started knocking at the door as I 976 01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:24.880 struggled to lock it. I managed to. At this time, the noises 977 01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:29.559 were getting louder. Then the same dream happened again, and this time, 978 01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:32.119 I wasn't able to lock the door, so I held it closed. At 979 01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:35.840 this time, the noises were immensely loud, and the black shadow was crawling 980 01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:40.599 under my stall. I don't like the story anymore? Can we go to 981 01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:43.960 a happier one? Yeah? Why did you choose to do this to yourself? 982 01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:46.199 Bob? At this very moment, everything went gray. I saw that 983 01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:49.119 I was on my side, so I looked to my left and there I 984 01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:54.519 saw him leaning over me, looking at me. It was about five seconds 985 01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:58.400 then in a flash, I woke up. I quickly pulled my phone out 986 01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:00.039 and searched the web for sleep prowess this with a man and a hat, 987 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:04.079 and the results that popped up were in fact what I saw. I've had 988 01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:08.079 many episodes of this, but never to a point that I had one hovering 989 01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:11.280 over me. I've had events where I could see them charging at me as 990 01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:14.079 I was laying down at the corner of my eye, but I'd always wake 991 01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:16.840 up before anything happened. It was an experience I wish to never have again. 992 01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:20.199 That's what I looked on Facebook and found this community and wanted to share 993 01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:24.360 my experience. Nope, fuck that, we're done. We're done with this, 994 01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:27.599 We're done with these stories. This is gonna scare me. I'm a 995 01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:31.280 scared. I don't know. What is interesting, though, is the variances 996 01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:36.119 and these hat Man figures, because this is leading me to believe that this 997 01:07:36.199 --> 01:07:40.039 may, in fact just need to be a new grouping of shadow people. 998 01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:45.440 And there are multitudes of levels within the hat the hat Man arc. Yeah, 999 01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:47.840 as weird as that is to say, because we have gold pocket watch, 1000 01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:53.679 we now have super tall, super shorts gnomes. They're charging at you, 1001 01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:56.039 and some of these trying to hurt you, not trying to hurt you. 1002 01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:58.679 Some yeah, some have weapons, some just want to watch you sleep. 1003 01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:00.840 There's so many walk away, some float away, some just dissipay. 1004 01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:04.119 Yeah, and you know, as the resident expert on all things paranormal, 1005 01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:10.360 because that's what I am. Um check the business card pop Paranormal. Okay, 1006 01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:13.519 No, It is difficult for me though, to say these are all 1007 01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:16.520 the work of one being. That's again, we're assuming that these other stories 1008 01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:19.000 are in factory. We're assuming that any of this is true and it's not 1009 01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:25.359 just an internet meme. But if we are taking this all at face value, 1010 01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:29.079 it would be incredibly difficult for me to say this is all the hat 1011 01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:33.119 man rather the hat men, Yeah, and it could just be a complete 1012 01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:39.079 subsection of of Because one thing that I've been wanting to kind of explore is 1013 01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:43.159 we have to assume the paranormal, the UFO fields, and the cryptid fields 1014 01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:46.039 are adapting as the human race is adapting. And that's why we are seeing 1015 01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:51.439 different types and new new things. Now we're no longer just seeing the little 1016 01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:57.640 girl in Victorian clothes. We're now seeing all the modern variances. Yeah, 1017 01:08:57.680 --> 01:09:00.960 And I wonder if it has to grow as our fear grows, or if 1018 01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:03.720 it's just, you know, we have to assume that while they might not 1019 01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:08.359 be on the same plane as we are in regards to what we call time, 1020 01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:13.359 they adapt simultaneously somehow. Yes, And maybe they're a little further behind 1021 01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:15.720 them we are, because I would imagine about one hundred years, you're going 1022 01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:19.479 to see some dead kids on Twitter. I feel like that's like the next 1023 01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:25.199 lot and just like that, we're just gonna dip out of that. I'm 1024 01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:28.119 just I'm just saying I think we're not that far off from like seeing a 1025 01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:30.000 woman with an apple watch and like fuck, I'm wait for my pelotone. 1026 01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:33.880 I'm just saying buzzwords at this point, but you get my point. I 1027 01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:38.880 do firmly believe that the paranormal is adapting and changing, and that's why we're 1028 01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:43.439 seeing this variety. Yeah. And now, admittedly you can say that that 1029 01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:46.079 could be driven through para television, like you they're looking for the next shock 1030 01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:49.239 factor, but not really. Yeah, but we're not just seeing this on 1031 01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:54.520 reality TV shows. We're seeing this on subreddits and dark places of the Internet, 1032 01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:58.680 where, if anything, paranormal ad TV shows are outdated. When it 1033 01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:01.159 comes to paranormal advance, I completely agree. I refuse they're still trying to 1034 01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:04.920 find the Victorian child. Yeah, I completely refuse to believe that they're going 1035 01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:09.159 to someplace in n Appalachian Mountains if they're looking for a Victorian era child. 1036 01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:12.199 That's not what they were wearing a nineteen o four down there. I'm sorry 1037 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:16.000 to tell you. No, they just weren't so interesting. Nonetheless, I 1038 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:19.439 still don't think my opinion on the hat Man has changed as we've gone through 1039 01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:25.359 all the all of this, except that I think there's more room for research. 1040 01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:28.920 I think I think you're onto something when it comes to like a full 1041 01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:33.199 category of hot men. Yeah, I think that that's probably the best that 1042 01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:38.079 I can categorize it now as well as an investigator, I would go into 1043 01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:43.760 an investigation thinking it's not just it can't just be a single phenomenon, single 1044 01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:45.800 deity, a single phenomenon. But then let me ask you this, so 1045 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:49.359 this will be the question we end on. Okay, how does that relate 1046 01:10:49.399 --> 01:10:56.199 to the Great Phonograph in the Sky. Well, if you got another hour, 1047 01:10:56.560 --> 01:11:00.000 we can tie all this together. No, I do believe that yet 1048 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:04.039 again, we're just rediscovering things. What someone called ten years ago that an 1049 01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:06.760 archangel, or'm sorry, a hundred years go an archangel or a thousand years 1050 01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:14.920 ago an archangel we're calling the hatman. Is the Phonograph and the sky interconnected 1051 01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:17.920 with humanity though, because it seems like we are just doing the same things 1052 01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:23.439 over and over, we absolutely have fundamental level and just because we have like 1053 01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:28.000 technic technology advancements and stuff like that, when it comes to how we actually 1054 01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:31.399 behave on a people level, on a human level, yeah, we've repeated 1055 01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:35.319 ourselves through history throughout time. There are several uthologists who finally believe that the 1056 01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:39.600 adaptation of the Great Phonograph and the Sky should now be the Great MP three 1057 01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:44.159 player in the sky, and they believe that, quite literally, we are 1058 01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:47.039 rediscovering the discoveries. But as we're doing so, that Great Photograph is just 1059 01:11:47.159 --> 01:11:50.079 keeping a record of not only what's happening on this plane, but the plane 1060 01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:51.920 above, and the plane below, and the plane to the left and the 1061 01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:59.199 right. That's that's my current level of understanding, and I'm sure that'll change 1062 01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:01.079 in six months, just like everything else does. But I do believe that 1063 01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:04.800 if we start to look at the Great Photograph not as a as a negative 1064 01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:09.319 thing of repetition, but as a timekeeping device to show where we've been, 1065 01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:13.000 where we're going, and where we currently are, it makes a little bit 1066 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.600 more sense for it to apply to not just the human race, but also 1067 01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:20.880 to UFOs and everything else that we discuss. So that being said, I 1068 01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:24.800 know some people are gonna be upset. They're expecting the Sun Vanished Part three. 1069 01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:27.560 We're gonna do that this week, I'm gonna say, and you guys 1070 01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:30.239 and hold me to this on Facebook. Probably Thursday. We're gonna be out 1071 01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:32.479 of town this weekend. We're traveling. Might have some crazy fucking news beginning 1072 01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:36.000 of next week. Fingers crossed for us, But we'll do The Sun Vanished 1073 01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:39.760 Part three Later on this week, we have some interviews coming up. Austin 1074 01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:43.600 Lawrence wants to come on the show for some fucking reason. Why would he 1075 01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:45.960 do that? Whenever he wants to come, he won't tell me. That's 1076 01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:46.880 the thing. He's like, you guys, just gotta trust me on this 1077 01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:51.960 one. Okay he's bringing it's fifty fifty that this could be something really good 1078 01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:56.199 or there could just be some absolute fuckery he's about to unleas. So yeah, 1079 01:12:56.319 --> 01:13:00.720 he called mister r Let us know over on paid on Facebook if you 1080 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:04.159 guys think we should give Austin his blind chance. But we'll see. Austin's 1081 01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:08.199 good people, but I don't know that I trust them with the public form 1082 01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:11.479 to make all of you haunted. But with that being said, Miss Brita, 1083 01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:13.880 unless there's a thing else that you'd like to add, I do not. 1084 01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:16.159 I think we're not to add this episode of the hat Man to our 1085 01:13:16.239 --> 01:14:00.039 never ending but are always growing tails from the dark. The