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Sol told those you know, I
think that as a Latino, a fist

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and astride white male, I'm obviously
qualified to talk in behalf of this American

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Christian who happens to be a black
trans man. So let's do it,

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guys. This segment is called trans
Man finds his Faith in Activism. This

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was published by you a USA today
dot com links in the description please check

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it out. And yeah, it's
going to talk about about this transperson who

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has been attacked by a Christian institution. We will be talking about that later

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on, but let me talk about
my personal opinion in this segment, because

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you know, I always talk about
how religion harms society. That's kind of

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my thing, and here we have
a wonderful example about this people being discriminated

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against just because because of who they
are, and apparently this seems to go

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against silly and outdated religious ideas.
So people get their future destroyed when religious

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institution shouldnt discriminate against them, and
they don't let them keep studying or pursuing

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a career on their own in future. That's why, that's why I find

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it so ironic that religious schools are
fighting for their right to discriminate because they

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believe that discriminating people is part of
their religious beliefs, which is disgusting for

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me. I mean, I find
it. I always say whenever I come

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here, I say, usay,
you scare me, because whenever I learn

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something that new about the USA,
I'm like, what the heck, how

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is that possible? Learning about this, I learned that religious institutions get legal

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exemptions against antidiscrimination laws just because they
are religions, just because discriminating is part

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of their thing. And I mean, that scares me. That's that's weird,

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that's awful. I don't know,
Tim, what do you think about

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this? Yeah? I mean this
was a pretty interesting article about a black

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trainsman who's been applying to Christian educational
institutions and battling them on whether or not

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he should be allowed in or not. And so, something only briefly mentioned

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in the article, which I think
is pretty central to the issue, is

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that LGBTQ people are not a protected
class in America and definitely should be in

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my opinion, in the opinion of
many others. For example, you cannot

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tell a couple you won't bake a
wedding cake for them because they're black,

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you would face legal repercussions in the
Supreme Court would have to decide against you.

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Because protection for racial minorities is encoded
in law. You can't have a

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business that doesn't feature ada compliance in
the structure, such as wheelchair ramps or

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handicapped parking, because physical physically disabled
people are protected class. This is the

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distinction that the religious hide behind when
they would discriminate against LGBTQ people legally,

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and unfortunately they can until a law
is passed adding LGBTQ people to the lists

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of protected classes in the US against
which you can't discriminate. Even a religious

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institution can't say they don't want to
admit a person based on their age,

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sex, ethnicity. Their right to
discriminate doesn't go that far, but only

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legally allowed to discriminate against homosexuals and
transsexual people. And that's a big part

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of the problem. You know.
First, let me say that my heart

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broke for Zane when I read this
article. It definitely deserves better than you

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receive. I am glad you get
managed to get out of the restrictive version

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of Pentecostalism which they were raised.
I was raised in a particular restrictive sect

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of Pentecostalism myself. You know,
even without the whole biggest bigotry casting its

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ugly fingers on every aspect of this
story, it is repulsive. It's a

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highlights a real problem where for over
four billion dollars a year it goes to

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religious institutions. Now, as you
mentioned, Title nine does bar certain discriminations,

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but not for these I know the
Biden administration's attempting to rectify that,

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but you know what, they're facing
an uphill battle on the court, and

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right now the court's gone ape shit
crazy the wrong direction. Now, having

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said that, to read about these
people and how they've been treated, you

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know, if people want to endorse
and spew hateful ideologies, they can do

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that, unfortunately, but you should. You had to do it with their

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own money, not our now.
Unfortunately, though, in a pattern that

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we see time and again with victims
of abuse, Zane has clung to his

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abuse or God. Even more,
religion ingrains you with guilt, fear,

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and self loathing. So why not
accept the abuse and just keep coming back

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from more? The truth is it's
better to rip the bandage off and you

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don't need to squint at the Bible
and from one hundred feet away and pat

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your head and rub your belly.
It's better just to put away childest things,

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the false God and be free.
Now. I do hope he finds

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his way out of religion entirely.
And this is one of my major concerns

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with more liberal interpretations of idea of
Christianity. I feel oftentimes it just gives

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a layer of legitimacy to a really
horrible thing, because you know, there's

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a lot of people that don't want
to discriminate, but you know, they

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just kind of go with the flow, and this type of thing is kind

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of like, yeah, well,
what can we do about it? You

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know, God, God will take
care of it in the end, And

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well, yeah, not at all. Yeah, you know, I really

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left this article like with mixed thoughts
and emotions. You know, on one

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hand, you know, any school
organization in the United States that is allowed

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to practice victory on the grounds of
religion and still get federal funding should not

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get federal funding. I think that
that should be life, point blank period.

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Like if you regardless contested, it
shouldn't like right, like, you're

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not allowing students to come into your
particular facility because they're not this right,

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you know, and and and for
that like okay, cool, Like it

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should be that the court would say
like, all right, cool, bigott,

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go bigot into you can't bigot no
more. But we ain't gonna give

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you money so that you can big
at your biggotness. You dig bigott.

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So that's my problem with that,
you know so and and and actuality,

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I see that that is no difference
in principle. When Jerry Folwell's Victories University

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was threatening to actually have their federal
funding hold because they would not allow black

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students to actually be accepted into their
schools in the nineteen seventies, they were

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told specifically, like, listen,
you will not get federal aid funding if

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you will not allow students who happen
to be not white into your school.

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Now, I personally am like wrestling
with why in the flying flimited fleurb would

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you want to go to a school
where administration speaches things with the eight in

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the first place? You know,
that makes no sense to me, It

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doesn't. Well, that's what a
lot of people were saying about the Colorado

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baker with the gay couple. Why
would you want a cake made by him?

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Anyway? Which is which is.
It seems like a legitimate point,

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but at the same time it kind
of distracts from the idea that people shouldn't

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be allowed to do this. You
think about every time the US government has

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had to step in and say,
hey, you legally can't discriminate against these

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people anymore. It's it's now become
them. Like you can't imagine a school

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now saying black people can't enter because
of our religious police. Right, you

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can't. You can't imagine a church
saying we won't marry an interracial company.

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Right. You can't imagine that happening
anymore, because it got encoded into law.

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And this is this is one of
the last kind of bastions they have

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of their of their hate and their
bigotry that they hold on to is the

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LGBTQ people. It's it's it's gay
people now more than ever, it's becoming

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trans people. Is that they're allowed
to discriminate, and they feel like they

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should be allowed to discriminate against these
people because it's not encoded into law.

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And I mean that's our government.
Our governments from time to time and say

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no, you can't, and I
mean, but like, but but that's

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the issue that we are seeing specifically
here that the government is actually saying,

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no, they can't, because the
religion says that they can't. Their God,

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their belief et cetera, et cetera, is saying that you are an

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abomination trans person, you are an
abomination queer person. Therefore, they are

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allowed to discriminate against you because we
cannot infringe on their particular rights when it

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comes to their religious beliefs. Which
another crazy thing about it is is that

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we are having a problem specifically in
the United States, where we are constantly

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blurring the lines between between church and
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and therefore, like this, this
is when like a lot of these particular

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arguments are becoming mood. So if
you're going to tell a person, well,

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you know, we're going to go
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though you're religious organization, and we
really shouldn't because you know, Congress show

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make no law against religion, and
we are not going to be able to

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step you know, the whole establishment
class thing right then, But then at

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the same time allow them to continuously
operate, give them federal money to actually

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still be able to exclude people based
on their sexual preference. And or their

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gender identification. And it's insane to
me. But you know, but as

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an aside, it's it's it's really
insane that LGBTQ, I help people would

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still want to attend religious schools when
historically religion has been so has had such

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animal stories. But at the same
time, yeah, go ahead, go

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yes, let's debate, let's let's
talk about you know, to me,

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the first thing that comes up is
the fact that kind of alluded what I

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talked talked about alluded to earlier is
the fact that it's you. They they're

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taught. You know, we we've
all all of us, most of us

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come religious background. You know,
we're we're hardwired into that guilt. That

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guilt is part of it. So
just because they don't necessarily agree with me

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or think that I'm acceptable, well, you know, for a god that

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thinks I deserve to burn in hell, anyway, what do I deserve?

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So maybe I just deserve to be
treated like a piece of shit. And

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I think that that's unfortunately a reality
in all of these situations. It's like,

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you know, I, you know, okay, there, I disagree

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with what they say, but at
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I'm a bad person anyway, so
you know, just for a thousand

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other reasons, maybe not the one
that they think, but I deserve it

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anyway. So God's got it all
figured out, you know. And unfortunately

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that doesn't fix anything. That just
allows this abuse. And to me,

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one of the simplest ways to resolve
this because let's go ahead and get federal

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funding out of all religious schools period. Let's just not put a single time

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you don't want to have your religious
school, you want to have something religious,

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have at it, knock yourself out, you pay for it. You

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know. I'd love to see Yeah, I'd love to see federal money go

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into the ACA and we could go
in there and see some nice things that

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the funds paid for. But you
know what, No, that's for religious

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organizations. We know that won't happen. They'd be lining up in droves protesting

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that. But just lock the other
way because well we're religious. Yeah,

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I wanted to say that. Yeah, I agree that religious institutions shouldn't get

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money from the state. Well done
here. They are all private, so

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they never get unless there is some
strange way where they can, but they

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are they are forced to not to
discriminate in here amazing my third word,

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country is better than the USA even
in that. Okay, But I wanted

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to talk about the first thing that
you mentioned, what religious religions tell to

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people. How can trans people still
be religious if the religions hate them?

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And there is something that I think
was team who said earlier that and this

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is not very clear, so it
can be interpreted in different ways. And

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I have I personally have met LGBTQ
class priests who have their own LGBTQ plass

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churches. For me, they are
just cherry picking some parts of the Bible,

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and it's very dishonest in a way. But at the same time,

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I see that they try to see
Jesus as this figure of love and they

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try to ignore everything else from the
Bible. They say things like no,

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no, no, Jesus said love
and everything else was added by people who

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didn't agree with Jesus back at the
time. Once again, I consider that

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dishonest, but I see what they
are trying to do. They're trying to

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give people a space where they can
have their own faith and they can keep

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deceiving themselves into believing that God loved
them. Is only that all the other

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institutions that believe in the same God. For some reason, I hate them,

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and I think that is why this
guy, this guy in here,

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he said that being discriminated by religion
made him more religious, which is so

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weird, so strange, Like,
yeah, this, this giant organization believes

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that I should suffer and I should
be discriminated. But that just makes me

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believe that the person responsible for the
system of that organization loves me. So

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weird and thank you. Oh my
gosh, you know, oh, I

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hate to make this about race,
but I'm about to make it about race.

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So in a sense of what you
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saying that because he and his community
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caused him to, uh, to
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And I know that I'm paraphrasing,
but this is the same rhetoric that was

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said about the civil rights movement in
the nineteen fifty six that people were,

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you know, marching, singing,
you know, we shall overcome and you

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know, keep your eyes on the
prize and God's gonna work it out and

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whatever else that they came up with
on a Tuesday night during a meeting because

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God eventually is going to see us
through if we just you know that faith

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without works is dead thing, and
now faith it is a substance of thing,

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hope for a thing, and all
that other problematic Bible talk. But

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you know, But but in a
way I'm looking at it is that you

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are still so wrapped up in your
indoctrination that you are really allowing this whole

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talking point to a beat an abusive
point to you. Why do I say

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that, because you really feel that
God is allowing this persecution to make you

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a stronger Christian and eventually He gonna
see you through, maybe kind of sort

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of on a high Holy Day if
a pizza happens to be flown up in

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the air. Yes, I just
made that up, but still you'll get

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what I'm saying. But I did
want to mention just one thing, and

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then I'm gonna ask, you,
know, infidel, if you can kind

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of chiming on it in some other
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the article, I was a bit
confused. I was a bit confused about

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this whole thing. But but one
of the things that the article said that

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a US District court in Oregon just
Silvia's case In January, the judge appointed

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President Bill Clinton wrote that the exception
appeared to be related to the government government's

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objective of accommodating religious exercise, and
that Congress did not appear to have discriminatory

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intent when it approved the language.
So if the exemption literally used to keep

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a person out based on their gender
identity and or their sexual orientation, how

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would that not appear to have a
discriminatory intent when you are literally discriminating?

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What are you confused, infidel?
Because I know I am. What would

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you think about that? Well?
I think first and foremost is that he's

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probably talking about the intent of Congress, And yeah, their intent may have

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not been discrimination. But you know, if I take a hammer and hit

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you upside the head with it,
the fact that the hammer wasn't designed to

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hit people upside the head really isn't
an excuse for the behavior. And I

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think that that's what's been lost sight
of now, as you touched on and

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I touched on as well, is
that and this is back to my concern

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about liberal theological philosophies, because they
give an excuse, they give a rationale,

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And as you said, you know, I'm working with the system,

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right now, if I hang out
long enough and I met the right trajectory

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and that pizza does pop out,
I'm there. I'm on it. But

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you know, we all know there's
no pizza in the sky. And the

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reality is is that when I read
that story, and you know, I

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don't even know where to start hearing
him talk about you know, the one

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the person on the phone telling him, oh, yes, Sweetie, come

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on in and uh go and look, I from the south, And I

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know a lot of things get used, baby, and I these things,

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they're not necessarily gender specific. I'm
no think no if I've ever heard sweetie

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use and in a way that didn't
at least imply a gender. But what

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the guy went through is just absolutely
horrendous, talking about getting that call saying

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he wasn't allowed even though he was
honest and we appreciate your honesty, but

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no, still stay away from us
and getting out of that uber and sitting

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down there in the corner and crying. That's just disgusting on so many levels.

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I can only hope that those people
in the middle of the road quit

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rationalizing these type of things and realize
that I'm part of this problem. Whether

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I'm the one who's doing it.
I may not be the person in the

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emissions office, but my tacit approval
this type of behavior and Christianity in general

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is saying it's okay to behave this
way. It's okay to treat people as

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second class or forget second class.
At this point, I've been watching some

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of these preachers online and it's the
point where they're saying, Hey, you

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should go out and stone gay people, trans people. My kid, I'd

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get rid of them, kill him
myself. I'm happy when they die.

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And when you hear these it's behaviors, all these people in the middle of

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the road, I just feel like, hey, come on, do it

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to get off the pot. If
you want to go join them, let's

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be honest and join them. But
if you want to be honest about the

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situation, let's go ahead and back
up and realize that maybe you're on the

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wrong bus in the first Yeah,
I would hope that like that they would

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think that, And I don't know
what. I guess we'll just see as

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a sign goes on. Uh,
if any of the the actors that happened

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to be in the decision making spaces
like the court, like Congress, et

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cetera, et cetera, that they
may just see them. Hey, maybe

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you're on the wrong side of the
history of history on this and and and

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you know, I don't necessarily think
that they may actually you know, think

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that now, but who knows.
Maybe maybe they'll have a Damascus road to

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moment. Maybe. But I would
say to Zane and into other lgbt q

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i A activists who happened to really
be pushing for inclusive inclusivity when it comes

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to going to Christian schools so that
they can be ordained and received accolades in

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that particular aspect, good luck,
and and a bit of advice, especially

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to using. I know that you
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