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Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome

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to Eye on the Ball here on
Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera.

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He's Jagon's oss. Gotta got Jason
in today because I sputtered to the

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end of the road for the week. I don't know what you guys.

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I'm fired up, Steve. I'm
all excited at juice. I'm ready to

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go golfing in the morning. You're
sick. It feels like I lost forty

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pounds when I know I haven't.
You know, it's fight funny should say

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that, because when I golfed the
other day, I told it golfed on

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Monday afternoon, or yeah, Monday
afternoon, just on a whim, just

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that morning and say hey, let's
go this afternoon. We got one one

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fifteen tea time when played, there
was nobody out there but us. They're

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smart. I lost four pounds.
Well that's I'm sure all water. I

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got back on the scale today and
I got those four pounds back. I

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see, I see you try that
drink, and well, I got to

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drink, had a couple of donuts. I was jonesy for the donuts.

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See, you shouldn't be afraid of
my threats to tell your wife what you

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eat, because you tell her on
the end. I know you know we're

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now. She loves you anyway.
She's not listening to because we were.

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We've got the kids, so you
got the kids. Okay, but remember

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there's always a podcast. I know
she doesn't go to Are you kidding me?

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She doesn't go to the podcast.
She goes like, I hear you

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enough. I'm not gonna go hear
you on the damn podcast. Don't listen

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to Jay, listen to our podcast
every day if you're not listening normally.

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Yes, I'm fired up, So
I gotta go drop some more, you

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know, go drop four pounds again
and then come back and make it up

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with a big steak or so's that's
it, diet of golf. Hey,

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welcome to another day. But we're
gonna talk about a lot of stuff locally

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and uh in Phoenix right uh.
And and I've been wanting to have this

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conversation for a while there's a lot
When we had Jay Perry who was who

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was the head of the Phoenix committee
for the Final Four a while back.

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There's a lot goes into the putting
on the Final four. Uh the it's

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in Glendale next next year or you
know, in in March. Um and

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Doug Tamara who is the sports information
director at the Arizona State uh Arizona State

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is the host school, so he's
got to run the media operation, and

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there's a lot that goes into doing
that and how you handle these hundreds of

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media who come into one place or
they're all a bunch of spoiled brats who

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expect all these things like free food
and parking and all these things, and

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all the logistics that go into running
this media operation. That's why we get

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into the business man exactly free food
in the parking. So Doug, Doug

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good a good friend. Um,
he invites me and some other guys that

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I know to come and work the
Final Four for free, which we do

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because we enjoyed working with Doug and
work in the Final Four. And so

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he's going to come in and talk
about just they're getting started, you know,

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at least starting to put the pieces
together. Of the actual operation,

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and so we're going to talk to
him about all that. He's a great

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guy, even though he's an ASCU
guy. He's a hard follow for me

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on Twitter because you know, in
order to follow him, I got literally

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all the all the ASU stuff.
But uh, a really good guy,

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a real good friend, and we've
known him for a long time and he's

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been he's been at the ASCU for
thirty years, which goes back to when

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you know, we were covering sports
and stuff, so um been around a

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long time, but really good guys. We're gonna talk about some of the

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backstage stuff that goes on at the
Final four from the media operation standpoint.

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So I thought it would be an
interesting conversation all that too. I'll would

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be the spoiler. There's a bunch
of geeks. There's a bunch of excreting

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pretzels and bananas and asking dub ask
questions popcorn don't forget the popcorn and sodas

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and becoming more than well. And
then there's the there's the um the drinking

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cup police that don't let you on
the floor with the cup that doesn't have

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the double A logo on it.
Some very funny stories about that all those

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all these exciting things that they don't
need to know. There's there was one

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time a guy that nearly cried because
we didn't let him take his bag of

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potato chips out on the floor because
it was their logo. Yeah, there

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was a bag of lays. He
wanted to take a big time bag of

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lais out onto the paper. You
got to put those in a paper couple.

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I can only put three chips in
a couple. That's the way it

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goes. Those are the rules.
Is very upset with us. But anyway,

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so a lot of stuff that goes
on there, So I think it'd

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be an interesting conversation for our listeners
to just hear about, you know,

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what's going on back there, and
then when you're watching the final four,

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just think about how the media stuff
gets done. And we're talking everything from

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uh, you know CBS and t
and TBS and every or whoever does the

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does the games all the way to
handing out you know, stats to people

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and how the stats get done and
that kind of stuff. So a lot

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goes into it, So that would
be fun conversation. Yeah, okay,

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uh, yeah, it's only in
nine months, I think, Yeah,

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it's come much man. It look, it comes fast, it does.

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It comes fast, it does.
And then in the second hour, someone

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near and dear to my heart to
Carter gear right. Uh for a south

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point sell point. She's kind of
like the the secret sauce behind. I

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was gonna say I was my over
under on the first time, you're gonna

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say secret was at least going to
be into her interview. Okay, so

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you got way under on so secret
sell point success. They're churning out,

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they're churning out great athletes. Um. Uh, you know, particularly in

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football, and uh, she's obviously
has because she's a she's a strength coach

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for the whole athletic program, not
just football. And uh, she you

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know, a former Olympian, she
was, she's a Hall of Famer at

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the at the U of A.
Uh and doing some obviously doing some great

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work over itself. And let's not
forget the best student and the best the

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all time best athlete to ever come
out of Sana Fania, Mexico. Saying

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a lot, let me say,
let's say a lot. I played there,

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so I know I number two,
number two, okay, my list

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in my list. It says a
lot about you about her I'm not joking

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about her. She's fantastic when you're
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the Olympics, the NCAA champion,
all that suff yeah, yeah,

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yeah, okay, And she did
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been years since I chatted with her, since back when she was at the

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Obey, so it'd be good to
get catching up with that. She went

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home for a while to work with
the U and m's people and then decided

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to come back. It wasn't hot
enough in Nomen Creoki apparently. Okay,

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Hey, so that's that's our schedule
today. I welcome back, Jason.

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We missed you, Thank you.
We had a couple of screw ups,

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but we're okay. Who you Yeah, we cover. We left the phone

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microphone on and so we were taught. We were talking to uh to mat

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Mourdano during the commercials yesterday, you
know, yeah, okay, what else

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is going on, guys? Victor
Embanella debut debut tonight. If he's not

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being arrested by Britney, not the
new The news about him is what's happened

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with the Britney Sports. He's not
being arrested. What was the last time

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you were wanted a domograph from a
cube blonde? It's never happened, as

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it never exact. Yesterday was yesterday? Have you ever has anybody ask you

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for your Yeah? Yeah, but
I've written my books. Oh your books,

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I forget you. But okay,
outside of a book signing like at

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a basketball game or you know,
or something like that, outside of your

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book signing, maybe maybe maybe maybe
a long time ago. No, no,

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I got asked once. No contact. I was that It was the

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eighty seven NC double a first and
second round here here, yeah, here's

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the one that was in michale and
a guy that I had worked with I

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did an internship at Juvenile Court,
and I mean I was working there.

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I was not in the juvenile I
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lawyer and uh, you know,
I've worked with him and we kept in

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contact. We sort of you know, side the well he had he had

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bought the UM the media guy that
year's media guy UM and and Dick Vital

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was here I think doing that doing
that set of games he was doing or

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he was doing a set again.
Maybe it wasn't the regional you know what

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it was eighty eight, okay eight
and he and that's what it was.

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It was Dick Vitell was here doing
a game. He had bought the Media

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Guy, because I can remember signing
the Media Guy. So he had gotten

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Dick Vitel's autograph, and then somehow
he thought my autograph would have value to

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the media guys. You diminish now
it's worthless exactly. So he asked me

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for my autograph on the cover of
the Media Guy that I signed it.

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If you're listening to that guy.
Whatever happened today was Mike. I still

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remember. I'm not gonna give his
last name embarrass him, but I did

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get asked for my autograph at that. You know, that's a that's an

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exciting story. Eight. You know, want something right next to die.

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Somebody on the radio yesterday, I
don't know where or when, a different

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show. As I was watching,
listening, coming in or leaving, he

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says, well, we have some
information back in nineteen eighty eight or something

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like that. I'm thinking, what
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Does it feel like a long time
ago? Not as long ago as

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the fields to other people? Eighty
eight? You done it? You don't

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because that's thirty five years to me. To me, Steve, you know

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that that time in my life was
not that long ago, but it was.

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I mean it was. But but
in terms of when I think about

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that time that year, yeah,
I have really memory memory because it was

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important to you. It was.
It was my first year. It was

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my best time as a as a
reporter and sportswriter. That the eighty eighties

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little they know, you get out
of it. I got out of it

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because of it, right, Yeah, you were old your death, like

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forty seven. Um yeah, he
was just nine at the time. Nine

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years old. Doesn't that make you
hold feel old? It doesn't you know,

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because yeah, you get out a
chair here and you're oh god,

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and I got a bed. I'm
thinking what am I doing getting up?

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Um? No, that's just old
it. Here's a you're a funny story

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because we were thinking about the fact
that when seven seven seventy seven July seven,

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nineteen seventies, okay, supposed to
be the lucky Lucky his day of

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the century. And we talked to
me, buddy of mine, we're texted,

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you remember where we were? Acting? Said hell, yeah, I

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remember. We were at seven seven
seven seventy seven, the summer of nineteen

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seventy seven, I had just graduated
from high school, and you know where

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we were a mood of gray Hund
Park for that reason, for that reason,

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but couldn't bet or could you hold? Well, we did we we

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we had gotten we had gotten the
ticket sellers to know us, and we

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were a friend. The first time
we went in, a friend of us

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was all enough to bed. Then
we started bed and we would just go

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to the same person they let us
bet. So, yes, I think

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it was probably a nice place.
Then it wasn't very nice place. Yeah,

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it was. It was as much
in terms of the building and the

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facility. It was a much nice
place. In twoun Grahould Park, they

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only ran in the summer because at
that time the law, the state law

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was you only had x number of
racing days per county. So in p

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MA County they used to bow the
racing these two son Grahold Park. So

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in the summertime amode of Greyhound Park
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MA County, on the other side
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it would go to a mottel in
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I've never seen they have a great
hound park. There was. Oh

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they knocked it down over when they
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around racing and Tucson and they ended. But never you wanted to bet the

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dogs in the summer, you had
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Thirty five minute drive from here.
Hello, my name is Jay, and

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I'm so they were they were giving
out these these coins that said seven seven

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seventy seven. And the buddy of
mine that I was talking to you today,

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he said he still has his.
We were thinking forty six years ago

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today that we were down there.
Yeah, okay, seven seventy seven.

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And the funny thing was in the
seventh seventh dog in the seventh race was

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the favorite of course, must have
been what he sucked? Everybody bet the

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dog. Oh I know, well, I know he didn't. I know

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he didn't come in the money because
we all bet it too, and we

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know we didn't win that race.
So but everybody beat it because you know,

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probably a bunch of people bad it. Just had ticket because I was

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back when you got the little tickets
and yeah, yeah, sure, yeah.

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So we went off on the tent
things we didn't we like we always

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go off on tennis. Yeah,
no, I was. I was.

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I was well, no, I
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that by that I was. It
was eighteen. It was thirteen at that

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time. At that time, you
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it wasn't twenty one, and I
no, I wasn't quite eighteen. I

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was a month away from But the
guys, some guys I was with,

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were obviously eighteen. But you looked
like we were. Well I looked like

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I was twelve, But we were, you know, we were betting before

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we were old enough, just because
we got to know ticket takers. So,

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kids, Gonzalez, kids, if
you have anything you need to get

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now, refer to this dad.
Well you did it when you were statue

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of limitations, many limitation. Yeah, but I mean seven seven seventy seven,

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not seven seven twenty three. Okay, your dad wasn't even born.

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places, trying to steal home and
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yeah, place thirteen thirteen, Yeah, summer of the broken. Yeah,

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my femur and then my ankle.
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home plate was I don't know,
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spiking got in the hole and it
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I love my dad. My dad's
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it's not broken down, or your
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So he took me home and it
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to the emergency. It was broken
into Hispanic, Hispanic father who loves don't

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I don't have insurance, Please don't
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she fell out of the tree and
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I said, we'll take you to
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the USC Arizona game, Yeah,
she uses that on me all the time.

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It's it's a requisite. Remember was
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USC and I played him the week
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yeah, I remember that game.
We were watching on TV and she

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kept saying her arm hurt and says, okay, well just give me a

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minute, and the game endo we
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She had surgery the following Monday.
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win Father Tha and he's still trying
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the break and get on the phone. Right We'll get the Doug Tamara from

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you, breaking down all the exes
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Summits. This is I on the
Ball on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. Hey,

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welcome back to our on the Ball
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I'm Steve Rivera. He's Jenkins Awesome. Now on the phone, we have

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Doug Cameral from Arizona State Sports Information. Doug, how are you good?

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Guys? Good? Good, good
to have beyond the show, Thanks for

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having me on. Jay Is has
a little clean next yer. He's cry

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at a time or two giving the
issue connection. But we're not going to

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talk about that, so I can't
stand seeing Jay cry So, so you're

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a busy, busy man. This
is not your first rodeo with the Final

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Four. No, it's not.
I'll tell you what I've been. Um

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lucky enough that about fifteen years ago
I was placed on the Final Four committee

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by Bill Hancock and then when Dave
Warlock took over. There's about six,

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six, seven eight of us that
running each Final Four from the media relations

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part of it, and so I
have a lot of experience doing in it,

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but again doing it obviously in two
thousand and seventeen. You know,

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we have done this before. Arizona
State hosts a lot of major events.

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We look forward to this one.
Um. You know, the world has

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changed since twenty seventeen when we did
it last time. But we're all in

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on all those changes and excited to
do it. And you know, we're

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just coming off hosting the Golf Championships
for three years up at Greyhawk here in

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two twenty six we actually host the
women's Final four downtown. Um, so

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we we're in the middle of a
really busy period. Wow, that's crazy

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that all that additional stuff. I
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for that when you got to ASU? Like what thirty years ago is.

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But we're hearing Yeah, yeah,
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you know we We've hosted a lot
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yeah, this Phenix is kind of
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go. I mean, you know, people throwing the fist the balls and

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the Super Bowls and all those kinds
of things, and we do it.

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We do it. I think we
do it really well. Um. You

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know, where we live, the
weather allows us, like Tucson allows us

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to host a lot of softball and
other events, and it's kind of in

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our blood. That's what we do. So um, you know, we

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enjoy it. Um. I know
the restaurants and the bars and the taxis

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and the ubers and the rental car
places are really happy that we do these.

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It's when you you bring that up. And I brought this up to

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the executive director of Jay right,
which, yeah, Jap Perry. The

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one thing and you've been too many
I've been to a number of them.

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Um. The one thing I don't
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me being Steve, and the or
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Glendale's the Final four obviously, but
then everything's downtown. It's not like San

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Antonio where it's one spot. I
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know, I feel the same thing. That's the one bummer about our place.

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Um, you know, you wish
things could be closer and for the

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women's Final four and twenty six that
actually will be right, you know something

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like that. And yeah, that's
that's the tough part. I think we

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get around a lot. I do
know this that Monday night traffic to the

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stadium from the championship game is a
little rough. I will tell you one

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thing that everybody loves is with us
being on I know we say, mom

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standard time, but let's let's be
honest. It's Pacific, right, I

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mean we're three hours behind the East
coast. When that ball tips at six

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o'clock local time, everybody in everybody
that works the Final four is so happy

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it's not nine twenty East Coast right. Absolutely. It's just that that's really

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a big breath of fresh air for
everybody that's involved with the Final Four because

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you know, when we do it
in Atlanta and Indianapolis, I get which

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time's on there on because they're on
like seven of them like us. Um,

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you know, it's it's tough.
It's tough. I mean nine twenty

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tip East Coast when you're on site, that's not a lot of fun.

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Yeah, so this is a good
variety. So so it takes a lot

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and a lot of time to put
to put a final four operation together.

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You as you said, you've got
the media part of it. So what's

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you know, what's on your plate
today? And you know maybe in the

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next several weeks or a couple of
months that you've got to you've got to

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get get going on. And then
you know, how how did things ramp

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up you know into uh, into
the actual event, right, and and

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you know the first thing for us, for me is to read over the

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manual and see what's changed since twenty
seventeen. UM. You know, you're

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you're allowed so many volunteers to help
you with all the media media roles.

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UM. One of the things is
you know, getting all your volunteers credentials

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photo id UM cleared through security because
you know, you just don't, I

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don't just give them a list and
they give me, you know, string

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passes. This is a process,
UM. And then we'll start visiting the

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stadium UM and just going over where
things go and you know, some of

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the things won't change from year to
year or from seventeen to twenty four,

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but there there are some big changes
that they made. Um. A little

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A little thing for the media is
you know when when they go to the

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locker rooms for media interviews, you
know they're pretty close um to each other.

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Um, there's not a lot of
walking once you're in the dome.

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UM, so that helps. UM. But yeah, there's there's there's all

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kinds of things like that that we
you know, the Final four committee will

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come in town. We still got
to find a media hotel. Um.

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You know, we'll do our best
to find a marry out to keep everyone

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happy. Um. But you also
you also got to find one that's you

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know, if you can get a
media hotel that doesn't acquire a media shuttle,

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that's a big that's a big release, you know. I mean,

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you know one of the little things
you think about is you know, when

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you put the media shuttle, you
got to have bus people to drive those

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and those are volunteers. So you
know, you got it for five or

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six days. You got to come
up with volunteers only to drive the media

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shuttle. So there's all kinds of
little volunteer opportunities that are available to people

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all over the valley. I mean, how many volunteers does it take to

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do this? You know, for
what I do, it takes probably forty

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to fifty. You probably overall it
probably take This is just a strict estimate.

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I'm going with about probably five hundred. I mean, you know,

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if you're talking, you know,
you're talking the whole week volunteers downtown at

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the festival downtown, the different things
that you do, I mean part of

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the final four processes, you put
in a new basketball court at one of

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the local elementary schools. There's all
kinds of little events that go along with

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it that you do that are really
really cool. It's also a chance for

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Phoenix to you know, brag about
itself. Um you know, the bid

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process had a video and things from
different people talking about it that you know,

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it wasn't just basketball. It was
Anthony Roeblis, it was our national

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championship wrestler and such an inspiration to
many. And you know, we we

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had Bill Walton talking about Phoenix,
you know how great it is. Um.

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So it's it's a big, big
process and we're we're excited to host

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it again. I assume that they're
paying you tons of money just for hazard

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pay, just for just for hazard
pay. Don't get ahead of my jokes

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now, don't get out a bunch
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do with Beg Meddo. Uh yeah, well yeah, well we're pirate fans.

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So you know, usually around that
time it's the opening day of the

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season, so we both think we
got a chance to make the playoffs.

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food and Marriott Points. That's all
we live for. That's exactly. You

407
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:08.839
know what's crazy now everybody's looking to
those AIRB and b's, you know when

408
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:12.279
they do these kind of long trips
and we do catch a break, you

409
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:17.759
know, around the first week April, the hotels and everything go down.

410
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:19.880
You know, that's one of the
reasons, you know, when we when

411
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:25.079
we try to host women's basketball we've
done it, or wrestling or other events

412
00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:27.920
in March. It's it's really hard
to get hotels. But that first week

413
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.880
in April kind of lightens up a
little bit, so we do catch a

414
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:38.400
break there. What makes you the
most nervous about getting everything done? Are

415
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.240
there certain aspects of the stuff that
you've got to arrange or is it just

416
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:48.680
wondering are we going to get it
all done? I tell you it's it's

417
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.359
not so much. It's just that
you really don't want it to take away

418
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:55.440
from your your regular job, right. I mean, you know, when

419
00:27:55.440 --> 00:28:00.119
I'm going to our meeting in Glendale
in October or September, and you know

420
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.000
our football is, say that's on
a Friday afternoon or a Thursday afternoon,

421
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.279
and you know you've got a football
home game coming, and you know you're

422
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.319
preparing for that. You know you're
away from your ASU job, right,

423
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:17.400
Um, And and for that week, you know I'm not an ASU sid,

424
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:19.680
I'm I'm you know, the media
director of the Final four. And

425
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:26.440
I got a fantastic assistant named Connor
Smith that um will be working right alongside

426
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:29.400
me. And he's a lot younger
than me and has a lot more energy,

427
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:32.319
So he'll be doing a lot of
the stuff that that I would would

428
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:34.480
try to do but run out of
gas. Um. But that's that's my

429
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.359
main concern is, you know,
we have a lot of sports going on

430
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:41.079
here in March and April, and
you know, I don't want to lose

431
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:44.200
track of making sure that we all
do our jobs for them as well.

432
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:48.079
So you've been to another You've done
this ten times. I think, what

433
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.680
did you say? You know what? I started in an O five and

434
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.440
m This will actually, when you
count them all up, this will be

435
00:28:53.480 --> 00:29:00.400
my twentieth final four. It'll be
my nineteenth of working as a member of

436
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:04.960
the NCAA committee, and then my
twentieth one was actually I was the intern

437
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:11.079
at Cincinnati in ninety two. U
traveled with Basketball Lucky Enough with Nick van

438
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:15.039
Exo and Coach Hugg and squad to
the final four. We lost to the

439
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:21.480
Fab Five, but we actually stuck
around and I got to watch Duke beat

440
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:25.119
Michigan for the national title with Bobby
Hurley. So there's a there's a full

441
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:29.960
circle. Yeah. I tell Bobby
I was in that. I was in

442
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.759
the arena when you won the national
title against the Fab five, and he's

443
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:34.039
like, what, wait a minute, you were in the Metrodome. Uh,

444
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:37.319
yeah, this will be my twentieth. Yeah, So I was gonna

445
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.240
say, among those, which has
been your your your favorite? Uh,

446
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:48.920
your favorite? I'm thinking back,
you know the one when Butler missed a

447
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:55.359
shot at the buzzer. Yeah,
um, bubbler being the home team being

448
00:29:55.440 --> 00:30:00.119
there like in that Indianapolis, that
was just wild to me. I just

449
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.039
Jim, Jim McGrath was on our
committee and he had to jump off the

450
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.319
committee because he was his team was
in the thing. And then to see

451
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:12.559
Butler almost pulled that off was just
thrust incredible. I mean it was it

452
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:18.319
was just the shot. I was
actually watching the shot on the video board

453
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:19.799
because I was at the bench and
I couldn't see the other court because the

454
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.200
court is raised and I was down
below. So I turned and watched the

455
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:29.160
shot on the video board and like
it was like a split second late,

456
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.160
but you saw it. I didn't
look like it was going in, like

457
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:33.960
you look back, you look up, you look back, and it was

458
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.359
like, oh my god, that's
right online. So yeah, that was

459
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.119
that one kind of sticks out and
then, um, probably any of them

460
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.519
in the New Orleans just because it's
such a great place. And I got

461
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.640
to see Kiss concert next to the
hotel one night, so U some sometimes

462
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:52.920
simple things make it, make it
fun. So so this one coming up,

463
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.319
you know, and you were talking
about some of the differences and stuff

464
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.599
like that. It was that dude
to like some of the COVID and things

465
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.559
that are doing differently. What what
what are some of those things? You

466
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.319
know, And it's probably slipped back
a little bit. I mean, you

467
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.160
know, two years ago, they
didn't have locker room access at you know,

468
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:14.640
at the Final four. Um,
you know, there's there's there's just

469
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:18.559
such a bigger emphasis now on digital. You know, I always say it

470
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:23.160
this way after the game. You
know, normally I'm on the floor,

471
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:30.160
um, helping with postgame interviews,
and there was like one postgame interview and

472
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.720
now there's like seven, like between
all the TNT and the TBS and the

473
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.640
CBS Sports and the you know,
the radio now uses video and there's just

474
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.359
so many things going on you can't
get out of the way of a TV

475
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.160
camera now. Um, So just
all that stuff's been magnified as to as

476
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.519
to how much you have to do. Um. The COVID stuff's probably gone

477
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.440
away, but um, you know
there's there's still some measures that they take,

478
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.519
you know, behind the scenes to
make sure you're okay. Um,

479
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.359
but just the way the world's changed
in seven years. I mean, you

480
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.720
know, there's there's just more expected
of you when you host. You know,

481
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.559
that's the bottom line, and you
try to try to stay up,

482
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:09.680
stay the pace. So let's transition
real quick. We have a couple of

483
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:15.039
minutes to your new job. You've
moved over a one seat and now are

484
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:19.240
the head guy there. How has
that been for you? It's been good

485
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.359
for me. I got a really
good staff, including um, Jeremy Hawks

486
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.920
in our office, who's a U
of A grad for Tom Tuttleston and uh,

487
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.160
he does a fantastic job. And
I also have Steve Rodriguez in our

488
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.920
on our staff who's actually a two
son guy. So we got so bud

489
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:38.319
and our office and came on both. Kenny Dillingham has been absolutely fantastic.

490
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:43.480
Um, I think we're in I
think both our football programs are in good

491
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.039
hands in the Pact well right now. I think they're they're doing the right

492
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:52.119
things. The energy is there and
Kenny Kenny was the perfect fire hire for

493
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:53.759
us at the perfect time. What
do you what do you like about him?

494
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:57.240
Because that's all you hear is good
stuff, right, Uh, you

495
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.480
know, yeah, doing the work
and all that kind of stuff. He

496
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:02.839
gets it like he got here.
And first of all, he didn't have

497
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:06.599
to explain to him the good and
the bad and the tough and the heart

498
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:10.000
of Arizona State. He understands it. I also, I just love the

499
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:15.880
energy he just he's just getting after
in every way. And I had a

500
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:17.799
good chance to spend about two hours
with him the one day at the Golf

501
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.079
Championships. He came up and we
just showed him around and I could tell

502
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:27.519
that he cares. That he invests
in every person that he meets. He

503
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.559
doesn't just shake a hand and walk
away. He wants to get to know

504
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:31.839
the person. He wants to know
what makes them a Sun double, a

505
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:37.359
year that graduated where, you know, etc. And he just he's just

506
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:39.400
been really good to be around.
And I also love that he hired a

507
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:45.480
staff that has about four or five
former head coaches in some way, whether

508
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.480
they be high school or you know, college. He caned. He doesn't

509
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.480
claim to know it all. He
doesn't claim that. He doesn't claim to

510
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:53.480
come in here and say this is
how it should be done. He's come

511
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:57.240
in and say this is how I
would like to do it. What you

512
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.480
know Is that the right idea?
And that's been really really refreshing. Yeah.

513
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.839
Nice, So I agree with you. There's a lot of to look

514
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:07.199
forward to for a shot football off
the wall question, how would you like

515
00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:13.639
to be Don Sanders s id Man. There's a lot going on there,

516
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:15.920
there's a lot. But you know
what, good for Colorado. They're on

517
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:20.119
the map. You know, they're
doing some some stuff that they made,

518
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:22.880
they felt they needed to do.
And I tell you what, like when

519
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:28.679
we host them in October, there'll
be more people buying tickets for that game

520
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.000
than they would have been if he's
not their coach. So um, you

521
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:35.239
know, I think as as a
PAC twelve school, you hope he does

522
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.400
well. You hope to beat them. There you go. Yeah, that's

523
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.159
it in a nut shout. Well, thanks a bunch, dog, Doug,

524
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.519
looking forward looking forward to it.
Man, Well, I gotta say

525
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:49.440
forks up here. I'm like,
I can't say those two words. So

526
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:54.519
you got to take care of anytime
you need me on any to talk ask

527
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.679
you or anything. You give us
a holiday, all right, we will,

528
00:34:57.800 --> 00:34:59.920
Dog, thanks a much, appreciate
it. Well, thank you to

529
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:02.639
Let's take a break. We're a
little over, but that's a good conversation.

530
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:06.079
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U snow what's going on? Tell me

579
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again? How how many final fours
have you covered? Eighteen? Just a

580
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:44.599
year I did when I was a
three paper the paper might one that I

581
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:46.800
went, Okay, When why would
they send you just because they just felt

582
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:52.519
because of the basketball fans here in
town? Yeah, and then H Hatfield

583
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:58.880
Hatfield, and then h Hatfield and
then when might just just agreed and then

584
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:05.280
they sent me to It was this
cool one? Which was your favorite?

585
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.599
Good question? When when when you
say eighteen? When when? Uh,

586
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:13.360
nineteen ninety one, my first one
in Minnesota. I think he was one

587
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:19.280
of the Duke ones nine, the
duke Uh right, Well, I was

588
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.199
ninety two. That was I was
gonna say that was that was in New

589
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:23.920
Orleans. That's when he called the
time out and there had no time outside

590
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:28.480
Okay, that one was a pretty
cool one. Um. It's hard to

591
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:30.519
say, but I agree with him, San Antonio, New Orleans. The

592
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:35.199
destinations were that's what that's what made
it for you. Yeah, yeah,

593
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:39.199
Becau as opposed to the team's right
right right Indiana playing with with Bobby Knight

594
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:44.480
thinking ninety five. I can't remember
what year was. Uh, those eighteen

595
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.599
My last one has been the the
Shoe one, that one, the one

596
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.079
twenty seventeen. Yeah, but there's
a lot of fun because you get to

597
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.320
see all your colleagues and you're fine, you know Wilner, some of them.

598
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:59.159
Oh the because I told you the
Ray Roods, the story when it

599
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.280
was really stormy in Indianapolish a bunch
of sports writers in the building and it

600
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:06.440
was like bad, like the tornado
type thing, and just, oh god,

601
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.199
this is the night that I'm gonna
die. And they're gonna say,

602
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:15.519
um um, Jim Nace and fifty
other sportswriters died tonight. I've never mentioned

603
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:22.079
your name, you Yeah, who's
there? I don't know, and I'm

604
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:23.480
interviewing you now, right, So
in those eight you know, how have

605
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:29.519
you seen in those eighteen years how
it evolved? Because clearly a bigger deal

606
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.519
now to day then even the one
in ninety seven, because the one in

607
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.000
ninety seven in Indianapolis, that was
before they were put in the court in

608
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:38.840
the middle of the statia, right
where it was on one end, and

609
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:44.280
so it was basically fifty thousand people
could go right now you get seventy.

610
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:45.920
I was going to ask him that
because you were there and I was there.

611
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.119
I think there was like seventy two
thousand people in Phoenix, and yeah,

612
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.880
yeah, it's almost too many people. Yeah, I would did not

613
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:57.119
and be the guys with the tickets
at the top because you could barely see

614
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:00.000
the bottom. Yea, um,
but that's not my money, so they're

615
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:01.639
spending it. We had you had
the perfect seat, you right there.

616
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.159
No, I didn't have a perfect
doing your stuff. I was. I

617
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:07.559
was a flour photo marshal, which
meant I was in charge of making sure

618
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.800
that photographers didn't get on the floor. But you know what are the photog

619
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:14.000
You know how the photographer sit on
the end? So I was just responsive

620
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.159
the three D are the three D
deep. But as you know, a

621
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:23.599
Doug mansion where I sat was on
the floor and the court is raised.

622
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:27.519
I couldn't. I did not watch
the game live. I watched it on

623
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.239
And that's the one thing I don't
understand because it's a risen floor, it's

624
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.239
a race floor, and it's like
if you fall off the edge, right,

625
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.719
I sat behind the photographers show on
the floor. You can't you only

626
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:42.320
see the legs the game. Let
see the legs. I see nothing.

627
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.800
I had just had to watch the
game. Sometimes that's the best place to

628
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.079
watch the game because you can't see
the game. And we had seats,

629
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:51.440
you know. I was on the
not on the sideline, but on the

630
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.599
end zone end zone, and and
a little far away away. And I

631
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:59.840
didn't like that. It was too
many people did, too many media were

632
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:02.039
too far away. But you know, and and here here's the thing is

633
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:06.639
that you know, I like if
you go around by where the benches are,

634
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:08.360
you know, the benches are on
the floor, and then you know

635
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:13.280
the court and you look you see
the seats behind them. You know,

636
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.599
in the first those aren't the best
seats. You know, if a player

637
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:20.119
stands up, you can't see and
the court is up, so you really

638
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:22.960
can't see. Like it like where
I sit at say the PAC twelve tournament,

639
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.280
I'm behind the bench, but I'm
I'm kind of a button. So

640
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:30.039
they stand up and they block,
but I can still see pres because you're

641
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:34.079
raised right when they stand up in
front of you. At at the Final

642
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.400
four, you can't see. But
I also did. I also did something

643
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.639
at that at that Final four is
I I took the elevator and went to

644
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:43.400
the top to see what it looked
like from the top of the sea.

645
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:45.679
And I'm like, how do you
see? You don't see the game.

646
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.800
You're you're gonna watch it on the
screen. You're there, but you're gonna

647
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.159
watch it on the screen right for
a big price. Now That's how I

648
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.400
felt. But otherwise it's a lot
of fun. Like I said, unless

649
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:57.639
your team is in it. Unless
your team is in it, because then

650
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.480
you don't eat or sleep, you
know, when you're just too busy.

651
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:06.920
I told you that we ate at
tutors for for Christmas Easter Easter Sunday because

652
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.079
there was nothing else open. After
writing pipe stories a day, all of

653
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:14.039
us, it's just were It's not
a whit. Yeah, I know that.

654
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:16.440
The Final four and uh again in
eighty eight, I mean, you

655
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:20.440
know, all all my buddies were
going out to the bars and stuff,

656
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.719
but I was covering the dam.
By the time I got there, they

657
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.440
were going home. People don't understand
that. Yeah, you're trying to figure

658
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:29.239
out a lead. And they were
well compared to that one. And you

659
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:31.639
know this better than me because I
didn't cover eighty eight. But it's the

660
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.159
venue is totally different. Then.
It was what how big? Oh that

661
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:38.320
well that was the last time.
Well, there was only one more,

662
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.400
but they said after this year.
It was one of the they said,

663
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.039
after this year, all the final
fours are going to be in stadiums.

664
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:49.159
Yeah, they did have one in
Charlotte, but other than that, they've

665
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.320
all been in stadium since then.
And the reason they had it there in

666
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:54.960
Kansas City because it was the fiftieth
anniversary and that's where the first one was.

667
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.840
That's why they had it there.
It was it was like fifteen thousand

668
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:00.840
seats. It was mcay and that's
the final four. Well they said that

669
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:05.599
two in eighty three when Albucruze held
at the pit remember eighteen, and they

670
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:07.360
said, well, this is not
gonna take it anymore. Five years later

671
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.239
they're doing it again. They said, yeah, they did it there,

672
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:15.360
but because I do know that,
Uh, the next one in eighty nine

673
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.199
was in the Kingdom. Yeah,
and that's when you know, but that

674
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:22.800
was when they would put the court
at one end, put up some temporary

675
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:27.360
bleachers this one side, then the
horse shoe you know, around the other

676
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:29.920
side would would be the rest of
the seat and then be able to get

677
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:31.719
forty thousand people in there. Right. No, No, I was in

678
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:36.639
Indianapolis in nine, San Antonio,
all these places. No, it's it's

679
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:37.719
a great event. Obviously, have
a lot of fun, all the tourists

680
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:42.360
from all everywhere. Well, you
know what got me was the fact that

681
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:47.480
it's the final four, right,
you walk in there. This was when

682
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:51.960
I work because I went as a
spectator to the Indianapolis, right, you

683
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:53.280
got that field, right, I
went to it as a spectator, so

684
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:57.880
I will, you know. But
working the one up in Glendale in twenty

685
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.599
seventeen, you know, we had
to work the day before the games and

686
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:05.199
for those practices, and my job
was to be standing on the court,

687
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:09.639
up on the court during the practices
to make sure that the photographers were we're

688
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:15.400
not going where they weren't supposed to
go Sunday on the Sunday on on Friday,

689
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:20.599
on Friday before the Saturday game Friday, because that's open media, opened

690
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.559
media, the pub the practices are
public. They come and practice for an

691
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:29.119
hour. And so I actually did
stand on the court, uh and just

692
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:31.880
monitored the photographers. That was my
job. Sure, so Sunday and that

693
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:36.000
was cool. I work on Sunday. Probably not because we didn't have to

694
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.760
do didn't have to do anything.
We didn't have to do it because the

695
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:42.519
yeah they got to practice on the
court, but no media got to go

696
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.440
got to go into practice school.
But on that Friday, I remember walking

697
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:50.519
out to the to the floor into
the state and for the first time,

698
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:53.119
and I thought, Okay, this
is really cool. This is the final

699
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:55.719
four. This is a big deal. You know. You walk out there

700
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:59.039
and I got up on the I
got up on the floor, you know,

701
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:01.119
and Jim Nance and all those guys
in there because they're they're they're doing

702
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:05.360
interviews and they're preparing their stuff for
the next day, and like, you

703
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:07.960
know, and see all these guys
and I'm standing next to them, right

704
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.159
and it was very cool. Yeah, I just thought it was really need

705
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:14.360
So just the spectacle. Yeah,
the final four, Sure, I think

706
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:16.679
that was I hadn't been to one
and I was seventeen. The last one

707
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:20.679
before that was two thousand and nine
when the paper closed after that one,

708
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.320
and I had seen the change it
was, especially when they put it in

709
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:27.719
the center and then let more people
in, right, you know, I

710
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.880
can't remember. I think it was
fifty four to sixty thousand for Indie if

711
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:35.880
I'm correct. You know they have
the big thing, the big poster ninety

712
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:37.599
seven one, um, and then
two thousand and one was in Minnesota.

713
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:43.559
But the final four in a issue
or in Phoenix was massive, And I

714
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:45.039
think, God, this is what
it's come to. Because if you're gonna

715
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:49.559
sell the tickets, people are gonna
buy them. Yeah, oh yeah,

716
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.920
oh yeah. But I wouldn't buy
a ticket that's way up there, because

717
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.760
how are you going to see it? Yeah? Um, I'm looking at

718
00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:04.840
the Sorry was looking at the wrong
Um. I should have it in the

719
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.599
media, just the other people.
But it's crazy. If you ever want

720
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:10.239
any has a chance to go,
it's a great place. Hey, Arison,

721
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:14.920
And here's the Piers A. Rub
In twenty seventeen. I was working

722
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.960
for Fox Sports Arizona at the time. No one one of the media people

723
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.159
and a su they had a chance
to get there. I mean this was

724
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:27.039
this is the one they had,
the final foreign Phoenix. They could have

725
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.400
got there. They had one of
the better teams. You got beat too,

726
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:35.159
Xavier. Remember they gonna beat to
Xavier. H when the Arizona Oh,

727
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.679
I said a su yeah Arizona.
No. I was pissed off that

728
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:39.639
they didn't get there. I'm still
mad that they didn't get and then we

729
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.639
but you realized that how they beat
Xavier. They were good. Yeah they

730
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:47.559
were after the fact, after I
calmed down after they lost his Xavier and

731
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:51.320
I you know, we saw that
Wait a minute, you know what,

732
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:53.880
they weren't going to beat Gonzaga they
even as good as they were. And

733
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:59.079
I don't know if that would have
been more or less disappointing. Um that

734
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.079
they you know that that that Gonzaga
was uh you know it was gonna be

735
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:06.239
that that hard to beat because everybody
thought, oh, yeah, you know,

736
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:09.000
this is Arizona's thing. You know
they can beat uh, you know

737
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:13.760
they can beat uh Gonzaga. And
I'm like, I don't know, man,

738
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.159
I don't know that team was really
That team was a bunch of old

739
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:19.800
guys. Yeah right, and Arizona
was, well, you know, they

740
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.320
had it not been for cheer,
not patching the ball, the marketing,

741
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.159
and they could have maze maybe gun
maybe if a few times. Yeah,

742
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:30.559
absolute, I'm still trying to find
that. But that the attendants that box

743
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:34.880
score for which one for for for
ninety seven and it's like fifty four if

744
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.320
I remember. Uh, that's how
it's changed the most, and the distances

745
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:43.159
from one place to another, because
and you've been there in New Orleans and

746
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.880
in San Antonio, it's all one
great party place. How was yours when

747
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:49.880
they went the when the girls went
to the women went to San Antonio the

748
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.599
final four, I think your son
was still Yeah, that was COVID.

749
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:54.440
There was nobody there. Oh that's
right, you know, but they had

750
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:58.880
there something. They're like a couple
of oh they had some no, because

751
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.679
it was like James went, James
went, and some remember sometimes when James

752
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:05.920
went, he got in the car
went or one of our callers, Are

753
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:07.480
you right? I guess, I
guess I think it was they left.

754
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:12.360
It was still limited though. Yeah, James, if you're listening and give

755
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.519
us a quick it was forty seven
twenty eight at the ninety seven final forty

756
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:17.960
seven, see less than fifty thousand. I thought it was like a little

757
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.159
sixty thousand and fifty four thousand,
uh, and then that's almost then in

758
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:27.840
twenty seventeen, what about two thousand
and one, by twenty seventeen at seventy

759
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:32.079
seventy seven, seventy seven. What
about two thousand and one when Arizona went

760
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:36.440
and played Duke that I think that
was like fifth That was in Minneapolis,

761
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:40.719
right right, um, And that
was still when they still had it up

762
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:45.159
against the thing was forty five nine
forty five. Well, I just remember

763
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.719
Minnieapolis being freezing. Yeah, oh
no, wait a minute, wait wait

764
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:53.400
wait no, then oh that's that's
something else. Yeah, so then they

765
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:57.840
open it up. I seventy two
thousands, a lot of people, seventy

766
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.719
seven. And I do remember sitting
there during the game, you know,

767
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:04.480
and I'm sending in my seat below
the courts. I'm not watching the game,

768
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:08.280
and I just remember looking around to
get a feel for how many people

769
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:12.880
were here. And I thought,
well, imagine this. Do you remember

770
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:15.199
the Fiesta Ball and you were there, right? Did you you went as

771
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:17.559
a fan? Right? Which you
guys? Oh yeah, in twenty four

772
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.760
what was the tenants there? It
wasn't seventy two thousand. I don't know.

773
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:27.199
It had to be. I'd say
fifty thousand at the most. I

774
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.599
was. I was in the media
with the media at the time and a

775
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:32.039
lot of people there. It was. Remember that night, it was cold,

776
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:36.000
it was freezing. It was cold. It was cold in the room.

777
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:39.840
Well they didn't close the doors.
Sixty six sixty six thousand, so

778
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:44.159
that was pretty good. Yeah,
I don't remember it being that much.

779
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.800
I just remember being cold. It
snowed that night. Yes, it snowed

780
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:51.360
the day before, and then it
snowed that night. It snowed on on

781
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:53.519
the way home. Yeah, on
the way home. It was we had

782
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:58.800
we we charted a bus to take
our crowd and pulling and getting into twoson

783
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:00.599
just because we got into the town. It started just right. Okay,

784
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:02.760
So we're gonna take about you.
I'm sure you have a lot of a

785
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:07.000
break. We'll have. I guess
you have a We're gonna talk to Carter

786
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.840
Garrett in the second half, and
then we're gonna have a thing, a

787
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:14.159
question. We're gonna do a really
fun thing in the in the last in

788
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:17.920
the last second where the athletic has
put out a college football fan survey.

789
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.920
So we're gonna we're gonna answer the
fan survey. Well, there's a bunch

790
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.719
of funny and interesting questions that we're
gonna answer, so we'll do that,

791
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:28.719
and if you want to call in
during that and give us some of your

792
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:30.599
opinions, we'd love to do that
too. So we'll be right back with

793
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:43.239
breaking news.

