WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:04.160 For thirty five years, Cindy Stumpo has been a female homebuilder with a passion 2 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:07.759 for design, a mastery of detail, and a commitment to her crack. 3 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:11.240 With daughter Samantha Stumpo by her side, I don't need my whole family on 4 00:00:11.279 --> 00:00:13.880 a date with me. That's a good note. It's goddamn weird. See. 5 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:18.280 Stumpo Development is the only second generation female construction company in the country. 6 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:22.920 You're crazy, You're a wacko, You're insane. I mean, it just 7 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:27.640 doesn't end together. Cindy and Samantha welcome guests to explore the world of construction, 8 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:31.800 real estate, development, design and more. Unpredictable. Every time I 9 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:34.000 think I know what you want, you switch it out. But that's what 10 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:37.640 makes sure houses all u D. They discuss anything that happens between the roof 11 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:41.520 and the foundation. Nothing is off limits. You truly do care about everybody. 12 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:43.799 She can yell at you get scream, but when you get her alone, 13 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:51.200 she's the best person on the planet. Cindy Stumpo is tough as nails 14 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:56.799 and welcome to Cindy Stumpo check his nails on WBZ News Radio ten thirty and 15 00:00:56.799 --> 00:01:00.320 I'm here tonight with who leam, what's night's topic? You No, you 16 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.200 have no idea, No, I never know. So what's sitting in front 17 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:07.439 of you right now? Twoe Brookline Police officers. So we think that shows 18 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:11.120 about them. Okay, she really helps me lost my co host. You 19 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:12.719 see that. See that's why she was a blonde. You see the blonde 20 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:15.879 picture. Now as she becomes a brunette. She's becoming a brunette. She's 21 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:19.000 supposed to be getting like shopper, the bloone is supposed to go, the 22 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:23.319 bunette supposed to come. You're calling me stupid on national radio Mentione Thatt's see 23 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:27.319 when you can't remember things. No, that's just called no. Yeah, 24 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:30.840 now you're just having Cydney language. Now you have an excuse you We have 25 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:36.000 Citney language. That's called metopause. Okay. Anyways, our topic tonight is 26 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:41.640 what protecting the community. And I have two Brookline offices. Introduce yourself hisagant, 27 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:45.719 robbed de Sarrio, Brookline PD, and I am Paul Campbell, Deputy 28 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:49.400 Superintendent with the Brooklyn Police depart What does that actually mean, Paul? What 29 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:53.640 does what does that mean? It means he's a big deal making no money 30 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:57.120 deal making, no money, But go ahead. It means I'm I oversee 31 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:00.120 one of the divisions for the police department. So I do a number of 32 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:04.920 a number of different roles. One of the roles I do is public Information 33 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:09.800 officer. But the Community Service Division essentially works for me. Okay, and 34 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:13.879 you Rob, what are you doing? So I am the supervisor, the 35 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:16.879 frontline supervisor of the Community Service Division, so I supervise the patrolman that are 36 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:21.120 assigned to the division. And of course I have my other tasks that I'm 37 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:25.960 responsible for. Social media for a shameless plug if I may. Oh, 38 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:29.199 so when I go on your social media, you see that's me coming. 39 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:31.879 I see you all the time. Oh okay, so make sure somebody's noticed 40 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:36.560 in what I'm doing. I create a lot of the content there and videos 41 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:40.719 and still and information and news and stuff. So social media and emergency management 42 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:46.280 is another role of mine in the Community Service Division. Okay, And basically 43 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:50.919 you've explained what you do. Okay, I'm going to keep the questions. 44 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:53.280 I'll go so oft with you, guys. I won't go HRD, I 45 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.080 won't go really really hard. We'll go easy. We're ready, all right. 46 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:00.439 Let me just start with this question. If you date, how's the 47 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:05.479 crime rate been? And I know you can't only speak about Boston Newton, 48 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.159 nor am I asking you to. But are the cops communicating with each other 49 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:13.960 across the communities or local like is Newton to talking to Brookline? Is Brookline 50 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:19.360 talking to Boston? Is because you border you're bordering Boston, Newton, Jamaica. 51 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:22.560 Plane which is Boston too? Right? What else do we border West 52 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.080 Roxbury, Boston? That's it? Yeah, just Boston and Newton are the 53 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:29.639 only two towns that we that we make contact with. So you do as 54 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:34.120 police talk to the others, or chiefs talk to chiefs, politicians talk to 55 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:38.080 politicians, or we all on our own in our towns and cities and kind 56 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:46.240 of really so we belong to several different communications, you know, media venues 57 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:52.000 that we communicate with other communities. One example is the Fusion Center, right, 58 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:58.120 and it's and that's specifically targeting you know, terrorists, intel intelligence. 59 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:00.919 So Brookline will communicate with the Fusion Center. And the Future Center is made 60 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.520 up of several different agencies. I can't really go into specific pay so what's 61 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:08.800 what they share? But we are constantly communicating with our neighbors. For example, 62 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:14.439 the breaks that we have had recently. We in constant communication with Newton 63 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:23.120 PD because it appears that these subjects maybe targeting more affluent communities, right, 64 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:28.160 so we want to make sure we're sharing the same information with the towns that 65 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:30.680 are similar to us, like Newton, okay, and I know Weston now 66 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:35.399 is getting bits picking up in Western so we start looking at Brookline, Newton, 67 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:40.920 Weston, Wellesley. This is just common sense, like some things in 68 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:44.160 life, is just common sense. Sometimes common sense is so common anymore. 69 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:46.920 But you're right to say that they're hitting the higher end zip codes. And 70 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:51.000 what's interesting about this group is there's no real pattern. You can't figure out 71 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:54.480 the patent at this point. You can't. So they'll hit, you know, 72 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:58.639 a town local to the Boston area, but then they'll move to a 73 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:02.439 different region and hit that and hit that area and then come back and then 74 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:08.199 come back eventually. Yeah. So although there is a lot of discussion about 75 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:13.480 it recently, we've only been calendar year twenty twenty four. You know, 76 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:18.079 we based on the modus operendi, the mo of the incident, we really 77 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:25.240 only have one weekend where where there was suspicious activity and there was a break 78 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:29.800 and that was the first week of March. Prior to that calendar year twenty 79 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:33.959 twenty three, there was only there was only two incidents that we can match 80 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:39.319 the same modus OPERENDI too. So when we heard that it was up to 81 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:42.759 maybe close to seven with this one gang, it's up to maybe four. 82 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.920 I can't speak to other communities, no, just in Brooklyn because I thought 83 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.800 on the zoom meaning I heard seven, I think that went back through twenty 84 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:55.439 twenty two through do you think these guys are around twenty two? This is 85 00:05:55.480 --> 00:06:00.879 a new group. It sounds like it's it may not be the same actual 86 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:04.079 people, but it's the same emo. It's the same same type of crime. 87 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:09.920 And we see house breaks from time to time that I don't know, 88 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:13.720 let's call it just a typical house break. These seem to be more sophisticated, 89 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:17.120 better planned out, better equipment there in and out. They know exactly 90 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:19.879 what they're doing. But out of that video that I saw that we alsaw 91 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:25.399 these are not Americans speaking people. We know that right, correct? Okay, 92 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:28.720 So, like I said, some of my clients listen to it seemed 93 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:32.759 like it was coming out of Central America and they, as I hear, 94 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:36.720 they have what's the device that can lock down your Wi Fi? They have 95 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:41.639 some sort of a jammer, at least we believe in some cases there have 96 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:48.240 been Wi Fi jammers which can affect wireless security cameras. So and we've had 97 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:54.399 other break ins in our areas. So it's just become what our areas just 98 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:57.360 many areas, not just our area, many areas. It's just a target 99 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:01.079 for what let's go rob Look, I'm a product of nineteen eighty two. 100 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:04.399 Right when your house got robbed in nineteen eighty two or seventy and you're a 101 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:11.240 teenager, typically you weren't home. Typically there were professional robbers. If there 102 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.240 was such a thing as professional robbers, I guess that's what the profession was. 103 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:16.040 A robbers. They weren't going to come in your house at night time. 104 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.120 They came during the day. And I think everybody would agree. If 105 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:21.519 you're going to rob me and I'm insured during the day, then go rob 106 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:27.079 me. But this nighttime stuff is nothing. Nobody likes this. That's the 107 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.639 scariest thing about it is when they come in when someone's home, right, 108 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:35.160 so they'll they'll pick larger homes just for that for that reason. If somebody 109 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:38.759 is home there on the other side of the of the house. We're talking 110 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:41.279 about, you know, really large properties here, I would know that. 111 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:43.920 I'm just a builder. Yeah, just a builder. Yeah, I'm actually 112 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:46.839 the one building those large homes if you're regaling. But that's the most that's 113 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:48.920 the scariest part is the fact that's, you know, the idea that somebody 114 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:53.639 will are brazen enough to come in while you're home. You use the right 115 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:57.199 word, you know, word I use that's really ballsy. Yes, yeah, 116 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:01.160 I can't say that yet. I know that's a girl. I just 117 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.439 use it real. Okay, what made you guys want to be com police 118 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:07.720 officers? Well, I grew up in Brookline. I grew up in I 119 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:11.160 don't know if you can refer to it as the point and yeah point, 120 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:13.839 yeah, you know. Yeah. So my my mother grew up in the 121 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:18.000 same house, so we were second generation in the same house. And I 122 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:20.839 knew all the neighborhood cops. So it's not like your dad was a cops 123 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.120 my dad. No, My dad was a custodian at Nina High School and 124 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:31.040 my mother worked for Beth Israel in the human resources division, and we just 125 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:33.120 knew all the neighborhood cops. And it just seemed like and you have to 126 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.759 understand, I'm much. I'm a product of the eighties, right right, 127 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.320 and I'm too old. No what how old? I'm fifty nine? What 128 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.799 are you? I'm forty six. I just turned I feel really bad. 129 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:46.279 Few not okay, So you don't to understand. Back in the eighties and 130 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.679 nineties, what was the most popular television show on Fox? It was Cops? 131 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:54.080 Right, So that's where I got all my internet. This is pre 132 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:58.759 this is pre internet. I couldn't google anything back then, Cindy, I 133 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:01.919 hear. So that was all my information was watching Cops and it seemed exciting, 134 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.639 and that's googling band. I was a lesbian builder. Google it. 135 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:07.039 Oh is that right? You know I'm married with two kids. Okay, 136 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:11.159 yeah, she must be gaged to the building. No, I get it, 137 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:13.120 I get it. Go ahead. So that was this preaked my interest. 138 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:16.799 I went to college for criminal justice, and I know I was nine 139 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:18.399 months out of out of college when I took the exam. All right, 140 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:20.080 hold that off, one man, we gotta go off to break. I'm 141 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.080 Sidney Stumble And you listen Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radio. Tent there and 142 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:28.000 be right back, sponsored by Floor and Decor, National Lumber and Village Bang. 143 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:35.159 You can look point somebody on the side walk car jacking. Old lady 144 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.000 had a rid lad good god on the owner of the liquor store. You 145 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:43.799 think it's cool left the food. Welcome back to Toughest Nails on WBZ News 146 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.840 Radio. Tent there and I'm Sidney stump On and I'm here with my daughter 147 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:52.240 Samantha, and I'm here with who good guys. Sergeant Rob de Sario Brookline 148 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:56.519 pet Get used to radio Deputy Superintendent Paul cam Okay, that's a little bit 149 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:58.279 of an agy song, as people would say that we just broke in, 150 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:03.759 but it's it has a lot of meeting right like this the stuff that's going 151 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:09.799 around the whole country. That song took some criticism. Friend of mine, 152 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.360 Christy No South Dakota Governor got right behind him and stood behind that song was 153 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:18.480 now racial, nothing about it. It was just it's called respect, respect 154 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:20.720 of the law. And that's what we've lost here. We've lost law and 155 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.360 order in respecting the men in blue and the women in blue. Right. 156 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.960 That's why I asked you why you know you became a cop, and that 157 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.600 was your answer. Now fast forward today. Like people always ask me, 158 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.559 if you had a due over Cindy, would you change your career? My 159 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:39.519 answers always know I wouldn't change a thing. Given the opportunity today, twenty 160 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:43.559 three years old, coming out of college twenty one, twenty two, would 161 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:48.720 you have picked the same not knowing what you know now? And that's a 162 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:52.080 very difficult question. Okay, I like asking a lot of I can ask 163 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.320 you some easy one, like let's go. I like difficult. Okay, 164 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:03.200 you got it. There's a lot of positives to the police service, and 165 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:07.600 I'm glad I got into it when I did. But if you know, 166 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.279 if I was there were different options for me today if I was in the 167 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:16.919 same position. So I kind of dodged your questions. Okay, I'm gonna 168 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.200 answer the question. I'm gonna ask the question differently. Okay, do you 169 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.879 feel like when you first became a police officer there was more of a respect 170 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.279 factor? And let me clarify something to all my listeners. There's always gonna 171 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.799 be good cops and bad cops, and there's always gonna be good doctors and 172 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:35.200 bad doctors, and good lawyers and bad lawyers, and good accountants and bad 173 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.840 accountants and good people and bad people, good builders and bad buildings, and 174 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.919 good builders and bad builders, and good brokers and bad brokers, and good 175 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:45.559 financial advisors and bad financial advisors. Okay, that's just the way of the 176 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:50.679 world. Most cops I've ever known in my both cities Newtonberg Line have been 177 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:54.639 great guys. Okay. Yeah. If I got pulled over, guess what, 178 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.879 guys, I was speeding. I didn't sit there and say what I 179 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:01.279 do and play stupid. My father said, listen, you get pulled over, 180 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.759 just admit what you did and maybe the cop will be nice enough to 181 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:09.759 let you go with a warning and maybe not. But own yourself, hold 182 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.840 yourself accountable. That Hammond Street, I've probably been pulled over, were anybody 183 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.080 else on Hammond Street? Okay in all those years, yep? I know 184 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.879 what they did, you know. And again, you know, I've been 185 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:22.399 a building here for so long, so every once in a while, you 186 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.200 know, they do detail. They I'd get a break, Sidney, just 187 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.240 keep driving, slow it down, you know what I mean, and yell 188 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.840 at me like slow it down, not nicely. You know, he's right, 189 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:35.840 slow it down. He's saving my life and somebody else's life. So 190 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:39.039 you know, I always say, look at if you have a reason to 191 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:43.200 feel the cops, then you should feel cops. Not a drug dealer, 192 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:46.799 not killing people. I'm not doing anything wrong, So I don't feel you 193 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.840 guys, right, and the story and what's the worst that can happen? 194 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:54.679 You receive a citation, what's the big deal? Okay? And my insurance 195 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:58.279 goes up. But again, seriously, like, just hold yourself accountable. 196 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:03.960 I think the attitude towards the police as more society based than it is an 197 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:07.960 actual occupation. I just so disrespected out there. Come on, he's so 198 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:13.440 disrespected there. So I came on in a very unique position. So I 199 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.360 was in the academy when September eleventh happened. And if you remember, oh, 200 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:20.799 you mean a day that everybody forgets this country. Yeah, oh and 201 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:24.000 the other the other people that say we did this ourselves. It was an 202 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.480 inside job. It was an inside job. Ye, September eleventh, I 203 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:31.200 was in the academy. So I was at in and we were graduating in 204 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.120 November. So two months after September eleventh, we were graduating. So if 205 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.279 you remember, everybody had flags on their cars, everybody was very paid. 206 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:41.720 The country came together everybody loved firefighters, but everybody loved cops because there's a 207 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:45.080 lot of cops that died that day too, and who ran, by the 208 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.679 way, are still losing their lives from nine to eleven from breathing in all 209 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:52.159 that from from psych guys that came out afterwards and cleaned it up. No 210 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.639 one wants to know that. No one remembers that because they don't talk about 211 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:56.480 anymore. So when I came on, I just thought that was normal. 212 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:00.720 So when I graduated in November, I had people by and my coffee I 213 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:03.879 don't go, don't and shake in my hand, thank you very much. 214 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:05.440 You felt proud and it was very it was very proper. But I just 215 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:09.039 thought that was normal, Yeah, welcome, because I didn't know any better. 216 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:11.759 But then some of the older guys like, yeah, this is not 217 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.159 how it usually goes. But everybody was still, you know, coming off 218 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:18.759 the nine to eleven hangover that they were just kind of like, yeah, 219 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.360 that hangover might be coming again. I have no proof of anything, so 220 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.159 I'm not in discriminating myself, but the way you see the country going down, 221 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:31.200 this one phase me and I wouldn't phase anybody at this point. So 222 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:37.399 all I'm saying. I was trying to get to the point that if anybody 223 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:39.679 that has stayed on, I know Brookline Newton as we were talking earlier, 224 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:45.759 have left the force three years off of thirty years. Now, when you 225 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.879 do your thirty years, you're full pensioned out. Correct, thirty two years 226 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:50.720 thy two years. You have to be a certain age too, you have 227 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.200 to be fifty five. Okay, so if you live, if you leave 228 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.440 two three years earlier, what is that a difference in a paycheck? It's 229 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.919 a big difference. Correct, You know, you're going from eighty percent, 230 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:03.360 so maybe even into the sixties. Okay, about two and a half percent. 231 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:05.919 Okay, that's a big deal. That's a big deal at the end, 232 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:09.000 after you serve for thirty two years and you leave two three years early 233 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:13.679 because you can't take any more stress, right, the stress the job. 234 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:18.200 But the big one was nobody had your backs. The politicians didn't have your 235 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:20.840 backs. The mayor is the this the that they no one has your back, 236 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:26.960 So you're out there fighting a fight alone. And the things I heard 237 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:31.000 from many community cops is like I'm out, I'm done, it's not worth 238 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.120 it. I'm not going to get sued I'm not putting my life on the 239 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:37.399 line if I do something, if I'm found guilty, I could end up 240 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:41.639 in jail. So I'm done. And that's kind of the number one issue 241 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:46.559 that I see is people are afraid to do that you're supposed to do because 242 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:50.519 of being It's not so much criminal changes, it's more being sued. You 243 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:54.159 know. I put hands on this person, you know, and I was 244 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.320 justified, and everybody's going to camera out. Everyone's got a camera too, 245 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:00.519 so and then they'll add it out what they don't want you to see, 246 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.399 right, the truth, right, everything is, everything is added, there's 247 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:07.320 no question, and then everything is out of context too. And only the 248 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.480 TikTok video was only fifteen to twenty seconds, so everything that led up to 249 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:14.720 that fifteen and twenty seconds has been heeded out. So yeah, it's a 250 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:18.279 completely different world. And it wasn't like that when I came on. And 251 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.480 I'm sure the deputy, you know, when he came on, they were 252 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:26.960 still on horseback. But how long you've been on deputy twenty five years? 253 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.000 I came on in ninety eight and a nice way of calling him old, 254 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:33.279 I would never I would never do that. It's got a custom the game 255 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:37.519 here. All right, here's a question to you, the same question. 256 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:45.159 You like your job. I do. It's there's been ups and downs for 257 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.759 sure. And you know he mentioned September eleventh, when you know after that, 258 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.480 there was there were, there were it was a great feeling. America 259 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:56.879 came together. You know, marathon bombing was the same thing. After the 260 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:00.600 marathon bombing. Yeap. Most people forget that one too. Yeah. I 261 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:06.440 was in a Twitter room recently. Yeah, they said in the Twitter room, 262 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:10.160 Yeah, that was French people that did that. I'm like, we 263 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:12.920 did you read that? You idiot? Like wire you coming up? I'm 264 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:15.160 on that stupid thing, fighting with people every night, Like I need to 265 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:18.359 get a life, right raise I get off that Twitter right now. I'm 266 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:19.440 like, no, I'm not getting off. There's no fight. I won't 267 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:25.839 fight, Okay. So this is what I don't understand, guys. You 268 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:27.000 know, when you get into these debates for people, they'll say, well, 269 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:32.559 crime's down one percent. Well maybe it's down one percent in your area, 270 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:36.519 but it's up in our area. So how do they say crimes down 271 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:37.960 one percent? Not that's a big swing, by the way, one percent. 272 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:41.680 I'm not taking those odds, by the way one percent is not the 273 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:47.119 odds I want to take. Is crime up in our area? So in 274 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:49.440 Brookline, yeah, I think crime is up over the last couple of years. 275 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:53.359 Okay, not up dramatically, but certainly not down really, because I 276 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:56.920 don't remember all these home breakings, and I build most these homes, these 277 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:00.440 new homes, the last thirty six years here, so I don't recall this 278 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:04.119 is this is all Google crazy to me. This is not something I recall. 279 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:07.839 You have. Of course you heard about a break in, but it 280 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:12.240 wasn't like five guys running through a backyard with backpacks like I never saw that 281 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:15.039 before. Well, I also think certain types of crimes are going to make 282 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:21.160 a bigger impact. Right If you leave your car unlocked and you come out 283 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.480 in the morning and someone has rifle through your car and they slow your change 284 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:27.039 they had in the center console, you don't feel good about that. But 285 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:32.599 it's not quite the same thing as if you learn that someone broke into your 286 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:36.559 next door neighbors home while the home while the residents were in the house, 287 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:40.079 And that's the kind of thing that that makes a huge impact. You know 288 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:45.519 that that contributes to fear of crime in a way that someone's stealing loose change 289 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:49.319 from your car isn't going to do so it You know that, you know, 290 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:52.519 even if the percentages, you know, if the crime rate stays exactly 291 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.119 the same, the type of crime makes it makes a huge difference of you 292 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:02.319 know, similar people applying for licensed to care in auto. Yeah, there 293 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:07.440 is an increase, substantial increase. Yes, And how hard is it now 294 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:11.640 in the town of Brookline to get a license to carry? Well, I'm 295 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:15.960 not the one who is them, but uh, you know, the Supreme 296 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:19.559 Court, the Bruined decision came out a couple of years ago that that made 297 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:23.599 it easier to get a license to carry as long as you're a good person. 298 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:26.920 Yeah, with no record, no background, no nothing. Yeah, 299 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:30.359 I forget exactly what. But there's a suit suitabil I thought I gotta go 300 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:33.319 to break com Siddy stompoint and listened Tough as Nails and w BZ News Radio 301 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.880 ten thirty rate sponsored by Pellow Windows of Boston, Next Day Molding and Kennedy 302 00:19:37.920 --> 00:20:03.039 Carpet And Welcome to Tough as Nails And I'm Sydney Stumpone. You're at WBZ 303 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:08.519 News Radio ten thirty. I'm here with Maantha and Deputy Superintendent Paul Campbell from 304 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:12.599 the Brookline Police Department and Sajara rob DeSario from Brooklyn Peuty. Okay, so 305 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:19.720 people are applying for licenses and that amendment is being honored. Yes, the 306 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:25.480 standard to evaluate who gets a license to carry has changed, and so it 307 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:29.720 is there. It's easier now to get a license care. Okay, let's 308 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:32.920 talk about that now, because I'm debating this with a lot of people across 309 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:38.119 the country on Twitter spaces. Let's talk about there are states that have what 310 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:41.440 we used to call the King of the Castle law. Right, you came 311 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:44.599 in my home. I live in Texas, I live in Florida. Certain 312 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:51.079 states we have Massachusetts, can somebody explain. Let's choose me. Hypothetically, 313 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:55.400 somebody breaks into my home. What is the first thing I'm supposed to do. 314 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:59.039 Let's give people the rundown on what they're supposed to do. To your 315 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.400 knowledge, call nine one one and if you can't get out of the house. 316 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:07.000 Okay, So remember I have a gun, Right, I can protect 317 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:11.200 myself hypothetically, Right, I have to get to a phone to call you. 318 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:17.200 But maybe I'm in the shower. I just got the shower. I 319 00:21:17.319 --> 00:21:19.880 can't get to a phone. To call you, but I'm fine not to 320 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:23.880 have my gun in the bathroom. Hypothetically you're coming. Let's say I can't 321 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:26.720 get out of the bathroom. I can't get to a phone and call you. 322 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.880 I hit the panic button, but these thieves have a set way of 323 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:36.440 knocking down my Wi Fi system. What happens next if I can't get to 324 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:38.319 safety, I can't get out of the house, right, because that's the 325 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:41.119 rules. I'm supposed to get out of the house if I can't call you 326 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:47.400 because half our WiFi sometimes doesn't work in any ways. Right, You're like 327 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:49.759 home phones are important. People put home phones back in your houses. Right, 328 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:53.480 that's important. If I can't get out of the house and go the 329 00:21:53.519 --> 00:22:00.680 way you just told me, and I can't get to I'm locked in the 330 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:03.000 bathroom, hypothetically, what do I do next? Now you come in the 331 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:07.279 bathroom? What are my rights? Do I have any rights? Or really 332 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:11.720 no rights? Still? What is the how's this? How's this? Tell 333 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.400 me? What the what the statue reads? Here? What is do we 334 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:22.319 know what it really reads because it seems like everybody interprets it differently or do 335 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:26.839 we not really have an answer? In Massachusetts? So if you're out and 336 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:30.319 about the in society, pathetically, hypothetically, if you're out and about in 337 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.480 society, you have a duty to retreat if you if there's what does that 338 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:37.960 mean retreat? You need to remove yourself from whatever the situation is. And 339 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:41.839 what if the person's on my back? Now I can't retreat. But then 340 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:47.319 you have every right to defend yourself. And will I get arrested when the 341 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:49.200 police come to the house until you figure out what happened, what will happen 342 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:53.960 or hypothetic just hypothetic, will be arrested? I'll be arrested. No, 343 00:22:56.079 --> 00:23:00.200 it depends on when, it depends on when you call it quits. Right, 344 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:03.680 So there's a you have. You have every right to defend yourself. 345 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:07.720 If you're on the street and you're being assaulted or something, you can defend 346 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:12.240 yourself. Right, you have to take a reasonable means to defend yourself. 347 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:18.960 Anything past that reasonableness. But then again, looks at that what's reasonable what 348 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:22.960 isn't reasonable? Right? I can't speak to what a DA would do, 349 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:29.279 but as a responding police officer, I'm obviously pete. Let's say everybody separated. 350 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:32.319 I'm interviewing this person. I'm interviewing this person. I'm interviewing witnesses that 351 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:36.799 were on the street or on the train. Tell me what happened. Everybody 352 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:40.799 gets pulled in. Everybody gets pulled in, unless that might be hypothetically dead. 353 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:44.480 Now, if there's any question whatsoever, the officer's going to write up 354 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:47.880 the report and it's going to submit it to the ADA in the eight or 355 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:49.920 the clerk magistrate, and they're going to decide whether or not our charges should 356 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:52.519 be filed against you. And I think for the police, that's that that's 357 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:59.680 the simplest, easiest way for us to determine. Because point about, I 358 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:03.319 guess that this is my home. I pay taxes here. This is where 359 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:07.200 I'm supposed to come home and feel safe. Everybody walks the door. It's 360 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:10.599 supposed to be. Okay, I got enough stress at work all day, 361 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:12.720 enough stress with the kids all day. Now, I want to come home 362 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:15.920 and I want to feel safe where a lot of people don't feel safe anymore. 363 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.680 But okay, I get the way I interpret the law, and I've 364 00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:23.880 read it five times. I have to be you have to pretty much be 365 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:30.079 right on top of me as a license holder to use that weapon. That's 366 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:34.160 the way I'm interpreting it. And then the other interpretation is you come in 367 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:40.160 and you you kill me, or I kill you. I kill you. 368 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:41.559 No, I kill you. You don't kill me, okay, because then 369 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:45.720 you'd be sued. It's my home. I kill you because you're right on 370 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:48.920 top of me. I get my gun out and somehow I put the ball 371 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.359 through your belly somehow, Right, I watched a lot of movies, right, 372 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:56.480 so I'm going buy movies. Okay, Now your wife comes out, 373 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:00.000 your mother, your father, your sister, your and I'm sued civilly because 374 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:07.160 that's coming next, especially if there's something to get, which is insurance money. 375 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:10.759 Right, So I don't have that problem because I don't have But you 376 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:12.960 don't have anything, so you can't for anything. But if you own a 377 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:18.160 home, you do have something, right, and maybe the deputy can talk 378 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.960 because but there is a there is a castle doctrine, whereas if you're there's 379 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:26.200 a certain level of threat that you are being threatened in your home. So 380 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:30.079 one of the things they have to evaluate, let's say the responding officer of 381 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:32.880 response to my home, they have to evaluate the motive, Right, what 382 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:37.200 was the person breaking into the house for? Is he a simple petty theft 383 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.359 or is he going to kill me? Is he is? He is? 384 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:45.920 There social media posts about how he hates sageant Rob and he is going to 385 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.839 get him at any Okay, you've got to get revenge, right. So 386 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.680 there's a lot of different there's not one clear black and white answer. There's 387 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:56.799 a lot of a lot of gray, and there's a lot of difference. 388 00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:00.400 So five people come in your house, I mean it's you know, what 389 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.839 is their motive? Why are they coming into my house? Does my house 390 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.200 look dilapidated? You know? Are they squatters as opposed to another problem? 391 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:10.519 We have the problems we have here in the States. Yeah, and you 392 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:12.799 know, is my house lived in? I mean, are my windows boarded 393 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:21.039 up? Can someone wrongfully think that my let's hypothetically say it's a beautiful class 394 00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:25.480 to upper class neighborhood? Five people lights? Yeah, and they come in. 395 00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:27.079 You know they're asking they're asking for trouble. You know, you're breaking 396 00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:32.000 into someone's house with the TV on and the kids toys in the front yard 397 00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:34.480 and a swim set in the backyard, and there's cars in the driveway. 398 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:41.200 Can we can we just establish here that every da is going to read our 399 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:47.279 laws differently and proceed differently. I don't think it's etched in stone correct the 400 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:49.200 way I interpret it, and I like little. I've read it five times 401 00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:53.839 and I've asked many people the same question, and everybody's got a different interpretation. 402 00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:59.000 We're in Florida, Texas. Even your car is part of your home. 403 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:03.400 Just think broke in is Norfolk County. In Boston, Suffolk County, 404 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.799 you have two separate das there. You commit a shoplifting on one side of 405 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:11.200 kalm Av, there's no you know, the AD will not prosecute certain crimes. 406 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:17.240 I don't know. If you remember the previous District Attorney for Suffer County, 407 00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:21.960 she will not prosecute certain crimes. But that's that side of Commav, 408 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:26.079 that's Suffolk County. You cross the street to Brookline side of Kalmav and you 409 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:30.039 shoplift there. The Norfolk County DA will prosecute shoplifting calls. So there's a 410 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:33.680 well, I don't I don't know. I don't know about that. But 411 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.079 there was a lot of confusion, especially with the encampment on the under the 412 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:41.559 bu bridge. If you remember, a lot of people were coming over into 413 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.359 Brookline to shoplifts because there's convenient, you just cross over there. So we 414 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.680 would stop them after the shoplifting. We would stop them. In some cases 415 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.440 we would arrest them. In some cases we would summon them in and they 416 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:55.039 were mystified by the fact that we were taking any criminal action at all, 417 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:57.039 and we would have to explain to them, this is Brookline, this is 418 00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:02.559 Norfolk County. That side of the street is Suffolk County. So now we're 419 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:07.960 all suffering. Well to your point, it varies by different das in different 420 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:11.039 counties, not just different states. Okay, So when Gucci says to me, 421 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:14.680 hey, it's not Boat's but a pleasure doing business with you. But 422 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.160 we're stepping out of Bloomingdale's now because we're losing more than we're selling. And 423 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.400 one of my best girlfriends leaves Bloomingdale's after twenty something years and says, I'm 424 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.599 not looking at another gun. I'm not looking at another gun in here where 425 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.119 they tell me to turn my back while they take thousands of dollars worth of 426 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:36.720 clothing and left. And by the way, her husband happens to be a 427 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:41.079 sogyant in Newton. Right that something happened in Newton didn't have their backs either, 428 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:44.400 Right, they're still on they're still onto their investigation. Right. I 429 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.839 did nothing wrong, nothing wrong, right, Okay, but it is what 430 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:51.799 it is. So I just see, this is what I want. Is 431 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:56.559 it so bad for me to want law and order? Is this so bad 432 00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:02.119 that I want to make sure and I call nine to one one the cops 433 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.960 are coming, whether I'm having a heart attack, whether my houseband is having 434 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:11.000 a stroke, whether we're being broken into? Is that so much? I 435 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:14.200 think most people want that? So that comes back to staffing, right, 436 00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:18.119 So most police departments are struggling to recruit people to do the job. No, 437 00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:22.319 that's just civil service in Brookline that you have to live here for one 438 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:27.279 year to become a Brookline police officer, which I think somebody should go in 439 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:33.000 there and change that immediately under an emergency that we need fourteen Look, but 440 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.200 it's not unique to Brookline though, it's not unique to civil service communities. 441 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.960 Everybody is struggling for first for police officers. Okay, but no matter what. 442 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.680 Stay but when you put a year delay that you have to live in 443 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.680 Brookline. And I'm using Brookline as example, right, because you guys work 444 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.680 for Brookline, I live in Brookline. That law is going to go right, 445 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.519 and the whole that thought we're going to go to break. It's always 446 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:57.039 sticking that stupid thing in my face. I'm send me stumbling and listening to 447 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:02.480 his nails on WBZ News Radio temp sponsored by new Brook Realty Group, Boston 448 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:19.559 Wood Smaller Insurance, World Auto Body and Tosca Drive Auto Body and welcome back 449 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:23.079 to Tefess Nails. I'm sitting stump on w Busy News Radio ten thirty and 450 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.960 I'm here with saman My daughter said not do them too much talking and go 451 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:32.200 ahead. Sergeant Robber sorry O Brookline PD. That be Superintendent Paul Campbell, 452 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:36.759 Brookline. Okay, well we're just talking about uh civil service and how you 453 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:40.960 have to reside in the town for a year before you can get residency preference. 454 00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:44.440 So that was that a thing? What's that? Why is that a 455 00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:47.599 thing? We'll get to that in a second. That's been the ruling since 456 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.200 Look at Brookline's being run like it's still eighteen hundred. Okay, it's twenty 457 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.039 twenty four. We need a meer. Okay, it might have worked. 458 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.799 Why don't you might have worked for Why don't you be merrima? Yeah, 459 00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.599 I wanna been mere? Why not you have a lot of opinions, do 460 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.960 because I didn't run the state like it's nineteen seventy nine, no play. 461 00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.759 But okay, so here's a young kid or young girl, young man, 462 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.480 woman, whatever, how theyre going to afford to pay the rent and brook 463 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.960 line for a year to live here to become a police officer. Tell me 464 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.680 I'm alias. So it's interesting that you say that, because when I was 465 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.359 taking the exam back in the nineteen hundreds, there was a lot of cri 466 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:27.000 There was a lot of competition for the for the police and fire job up 467 00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.720 not even job. There was a lot of competition. You were competing with, 468 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.480 you know, five or six hundred other residents. So the only thing 469 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.400 that residency gives you is a preference. You go to the top of the 470 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.079 list via civil service law rules, you go to the top of the list 471 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.400 if you have resided in the town. Now, that doesn't stop anybody from 472 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.359 taking the exam and being put on the non residence list. I tried that 473 00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:52.680 with one of Chan's friends. They said to me, verbatim, he's got 474 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.680 to live in Berkeley in order to get residency preference. Not to get higher, 475 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.480 you need police officers. So we'll get rid of all those laws right 476 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.759 now. How about an emergency in junction? So well, we don't need 477 00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:10.039 emergency. I'll leave this to the deputy to explain my deputy process is because 478 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:15.000 he so right now, there is a discussion for Brookline to leave civil service, 479 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:21.880 and there's let's call it an agreement and principle between management and the union 480 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:27.000 to exit civil service. So I do think in this year, twenty twenty 481 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.920 four, you'll probably see Brookline leave civil service. And the problem that you're 482 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:37.160 describing is not unique to Brookline. There are a number of communities. If 483 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.079 you were to ask ten years ago the surrounding communities, how many of them 484 00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:44.559 are in civil service, the answer would have been just about all of them. 485 00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:49.440 And now people are leaving civil service and drove because of the situation that 486 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:54.519 you're describing. It does it really does hinder your ability to run an efficient 487 00:32:54.640 --> 00:33:00.960 and effective police department. You were asking it was the value good? You 488 00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:05.200 were asking, what was the value of being? Why was that even created? 489 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.240 So again, we're running Brookline like it's seventeen eighteen hundred. Okay, 490 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:12.480 it's twenty twenty five, packing bags because you're about to get a history lesson. 491 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:14.480 All right, well, I take the history lesson. Yeah, I 492 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:20.880 think I do think years ago there was real value in having a resonant preference. 493 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.519 You get people police in the community who are from the community, which 494 00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:28.599 is great, which I think there's real value in that because they knew the 495 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:34.200 streets, they understood the neighborhoods, they understood the people. That's exactly right. 496 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:38.279 And but where we've gotten away from that now and in some community like 497 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:45.759 Brookline, there's We're being very careful what we say here right now, there's 498 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.279 maybe less middle class in Brookline. You know, I grew up in Brookline, 499 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.079 Rob grew Yeah, the booklist, and everybody always thought that Brookline's rich, 500 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.039 Newton's rich. That's balloney, Okay. We had opera, we had 501 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:59.480 middle and we had projects and I forgets that. Okay, Like we have 502 00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:02.079 projects in Brookline, we have the projects in Newton. I mean, like 503 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:07.199 people just think because we live in this area that everybody's super rich. By 504 00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:12.280 the way, public housing, there is public housing, and look at there's 505 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:15.079 generational wealth money here for sure. But I can tell you this as a 506 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:20.559 builder of thirty six years, my clients are all hard working people, hard 507 00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.320 working people that go out there and bust their hump every day to give their 508 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:27.880 families a better life. That's really the truth. And I'm one of those 509 00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.320 people that have been busting my humb out there for thirty six years. But 510 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:32.480 the people being raised here, the kids that are being raised in Brookline, 511 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.719 don't want the civil service jobs. They don't want any jobs. They want 512 00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:42.239 it for YouTube famous. They want to be I don't know. They want 513 00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.360 to tell us how to live our lives. They want to be my What 514 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:47.679 do I get on link life coach? They want to be my life coach. 515 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:50.480 I get twenty year olds that want to be my life coach. What 516 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.199 are you going to teach me? I just gotta laugh at this next generation, 517 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.079 a bunch of aliens as I call them. But as much as they 518 00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.639 don't want to be police officers, they don't want to be plumbers, electricians 519 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.400 and they chase you guys either. I mean, we're all doing two young 520 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.920 kids. My son is eleven, he'll be turned eleven this year, and 521 00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:10.400 I'm really advocating for the trade or the trade. You know, unless the 522 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:15.440 kid is an ab student. You know who your children are. And I 523 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:19.280 always say this to parents, and I run the game for fourteen years if 524 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.159 you are a kid to be a next question? No, next question, 525 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.960 absolutely no, No, it's funny unless things changed growing up. I mean, 526 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.440 like you know, we need you know, you know four or five, 527 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.239 six seven? Yea, a copy wanted to be a cop ninety five? 528 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:36.119 Did they talk about wanting to be a copy of kids? So now 529 00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.360 I think he's more. Yeah, I don't know what he wants to do 530 00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.119 now. But you know what here, here's what it comes down to with 531 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:47.119 kids today is we got to go back to teaching our kids' values, try 532 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:52.639 to teach them financial literacy, get them off these devices, and put them 533 00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:54.400 back to work. I'm sure everybody in this room, including my daughter, 534 00:35:55.159 --> 00:36:00.800 that's had a privileged life, had a job by sixteen, okay, working 535 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:01.639 up bloom me deals, whether she liked to. She got a car. 536 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.880 That car's gotta run on gas, right, Sam, go find a way 537 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.280 to pay for the guests. But that's that's not the that's not the trend. 538 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.920 It's you know, it's it's I'm gonna I think I think, you 539 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.079 know, especially Generation X, they don't why keep changing these generations? What 540 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.400 do you but, Sammy, what are you called generation I don't know. 541 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.519 Actually, now, well I'm a baby boomer, so what do you I 542 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.000 have to I'd have to google it x. Well, anything under me, 543 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.559 anything under the age of forty is all crazy. And I think thirty five 544 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.440 thirty six the tipping point, and anything out of thirty five is absolutely aliens. 545 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.639 We're doing the disservice by not forcing them into oh, playing the parents. 546 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.719 You got to go get a job. So what did we do different? 547 00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.000 I asked myself all the time, and I'll tell you when my antients 548 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:47.079 had nothing, so you know, we had zero, We had nothing, 549 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:50.679 Okay, So like we didn't have a choice. If you wanted back to 550 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:52.119 school clothes, you had to go get it. At fourteen, you had 551 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.719 to get a job shining shoes, delivery papers. But every time of Morgan's 552 00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:59.199 pharmacy, of course I do. That's why I work, Okay, for 553 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:00.719 sure. So here here's the problem though, This is what I think the 554 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:05.400 problem is. We know too much. It came out of our generations, 555 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.719 things that we're hitting under the copy right. I call my parents and my 556 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:14.000 grandparents' generation the hitting generation. But unfortunately ancestries bringing all everything out like oh, 557 00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:15.800 I have a first constant over here, didn't know that existed. Oh 558 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.400 I got a brother over here or a sister, right, okay, didn't 559 00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.320 know that existed. They like to hit in generation. I think my generation 560 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:30.039 found out more about coaches and teachers and molestation and and things going on in 561 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:34.000 people's homes that shouldn't have been going on. And I think that's when we 562 00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.480 got nervous and said, I want to protect my kids from any of that 563 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:43.480 craziness. Right right, bubble wraps, I was a helicopter. I'll be 564 00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:46.079 the first admit that I am too, and you are too. I mean, 565 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.039 I can't avoid it like that because you see the real world every day 566 00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.599 exactly right, But and so do not I because see the difference is I 567 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:58.280 work in construction and don't get realer than that. You see the drug problems, 568 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:00.920 you see the alcohol problems out here. You see me holding my guys 569 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.280 up straight, you know what I mean. It's got better over time because 570 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:08.480 they're getting older. But the epidemic and drugs and alcohol and construction have always 571 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:13.159 been huge. So I've had to deal with this my whole thirty six year 572 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.400 career. Right, I don't get to go to work with guys that graduate 573 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.360 brown, mit and Harvard. Let's just call it. The wait is are 574 00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.320 they all great guys? Absolutely? I'd rather work with those guys all day 575 00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:27.079 long than the elite because these guys keep it real, which keeps all of 576 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.320 our lives real, and they're good guys. Just because a guy runs into 577 00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:32.639 a drug problem, when alcohol problem doesn't make them a bad or her a 578 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:37.599 bad person. You just go get help. It's a disease like gaming else. 579 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:42.920 But look, I've never seen what I've seen the last couple of years. 580 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:46.800 Here every job of mine's getting hit. I never had jobs getting hit. 581 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:52.480 We've probably lost in the last two three years, well over a quarter 582 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.639 of a million dollars worth of products. And then the police say, why 583 00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:57.840 don't you call me, Cindy? What are you going to do? Why 584 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.320 am I going to waste your time on a call because we got robbed. 585 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.920 I'm not putting the insurance claimant. We don't because of my insurance will go 586 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.159 up and I got to eat it every time. And what am I gonna 587 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.239 do bother you guys? Well, I have more important things to do in 588 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.559 the act. In the act, call I like those in the act. 589 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:16.800 In the act. I got a guys in the field. You think they're 590 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:20.360 gonna get away with anything, You won't even have to show up. All 591 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:22.800 you show up, right, I got a hundred guys on the job site, 592 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:24.199 so like, go ahead and get them down like that's easy butt. 593 00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:29.000 But they don't do it when we're there. They do it when we're not 594 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:30.760 there. And then we come back to work the next day and we see 595 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:35.119 that's there, so we see the products missing. Now we're doing everything we 596 00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:40.239 cannot power. Do you think there's any what what's the best device that you 597 00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:45.079 can give to me? Just pretend me for community leaders? Get out there 598 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:49.559 and vote. What do we have to do as a community to make our 599 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:53.679 towns and cities better? You got twenty three seconds stance of that. Hold 600 00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:58.840 people accountable? So everybody, so the criminal everyone complains about the criminal justice 601 00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:00.159 system. Everybody has to do there job. What can we do to make 602 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:05.480 your lives easier? Call us? No, we can't call you. We 603 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.159 have to call somebody that's above you. Who do we get in touch with? 604 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:12.760 Hold people are accountable? That's that's the only thing I do. Everybody 605 00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.280 has to do their job. The courts have to do their job, the 606 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:17.679 the you know, you know, with their clothes and jails because they don't 607 00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:22.400 have enough prisoners. I mean, police have to do their job. We 608 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:24.159 have to look's I got to go to break again. I'm City Stumpy. 609 00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:31.239 Listen Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radio ten Theory. It'll be right back and 610 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:35.960 welcome back to its Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radio ten Theory. And I'm 611 00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.679 Sydney Stumpo and I'm here with Samantha. You're saying a lot tonight, Sergeant 612 00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:43.719 Robin the sorry about gryd Pete, Paul Campbell, w superintendent and I can't 613 00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.000 thank you guys enough for coming in. What's going on? Let's let's end. 614 00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:49.440 That's What's something fun? Well, one event we have coming up in 615 00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.679 August, it's August sixth. It's called National Night Out. This is where 616 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:55.199 the police in the community come together for a good time. We have food 617 00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:59.079 there, we have rides for kids. One of the things we're asking for 618 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:04.280 local commercial businesses or anybody that wants to donate, is we to sponsor a 619 00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.559 ride. We have several kiddy rides that are going to come from American Amusements 620 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.280 and we want them to so we need the local businesses. Yes, maybe 621 00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.039 locals just to help support this and they can reach out to me police events 622 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.559 at Forma Duco and that's it that easy. It's easy. So see Stumbo 623 00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:22.840 Development can make a donation, right, that would be great. Hit me 624 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.840 up, Okay, I'm Cindy Stumble you listen Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radio 625 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.960 ten thirty. Have a great, safe weekend, and we'll see you next week.