WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:21.160 Hi, and welcome back to give us Mark me. I'm Megan, and 2 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:28.839 we have just discovered that we are Internet Explorer. Yeah yeah, nice and 3 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:35.320 slow. So we are recording like weeks in advance, so are like topics 4 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:42.079 of conversation for you guys have happened like weeks ago. So we're like that 5 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:47.000 Internet Explorer meme. Literally, we've just passed Valentine's Day and we're like, 6 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.399 oh, we could talk about Valentine's Day and it's like, no, this 7 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:51.640 is gonna be like three weeks later. They're gonna be like, what the 8 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:56.000 fuck are you talking about? And then I wanted to talk about Rihanna's super 9 00:00:56.039 --> 00:01:00.359 Bowl performance because I'm sorry, girl kill was amazing. She yes, oh 10 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.599 my god, pop off queen, which you're like, well, pregnant belly, 11 00:01:03.680 --> 00:01:11.840 you look cuty buttuti. She performed for thirteen minutes straight with no special 12 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:17.400 guest. It's I don't I don't know super Bowl stuff. They yeah, 13 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:22.319 they usually like bring out special guests and stuff, but like she just killed 14 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:23.239 it, Like she just was like, I don't need a special guest. 15 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:30.599 She's amazing. Yeah. Rihanna's fan club Literally I literally stand Rihanna, and 16 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.799 I hope she makes new music soon. Although I didn't love her song for 17 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:42.760 the Black Panther movie. I didn't even hear it livet me yup, it's 18 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:49.079 like all I know, I'm literally no, but I am obsessed with Paramore's 19 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:53.239 new album. Oh my God, can we get a random applause for Paramour? 20 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:59.920 No? Can we? Because I literally swear to Christ Never, never 21 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:02.640 in my life have I actually heard a whole entire album that I actually like 22 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:07.599 every single song. Liar Liar just makes me want to like get married and 23 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:12.400 helope. It's just beautiful. I was listening and then running out of time, 24 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:19.400 running out of time a bop Crave so go Fock. That was my 25 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:27.639 favorite song on my first listen of the album, and then God Big then 26 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:32.000 Yeah you have to do the little hand like little little little because because he's 27 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:38.199 little yeah, and it's kind of like she's saying, he is a little 28 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:42.560 penis my first song on first list My favorite song on first listen was Figure 29 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:49.159 eight. Now it's a toss up between Big Man and It Pick Skull, 30 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:57.840 Pick Skull, Yes, Mother, Haley Mother. They did a fallout Boy 31 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:02.199 where they like leave their best song to the very last song on the album, 32 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:07.240 so on this occasion, I can forgive them for it only being a 33 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:12.199 ten track album. Mhmm. Do you know I was hoping for twelve to 34 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:17.800 fourteen. But even with a ten ten track album, every song slaps every 35 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:23.919 song everyone like, I feel like they broke the album up so that the 36 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:30.080 first kind of like four songs are like Dancy and Bobby and the rest, 37 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:34.080 and the rest are like a different kind of vibe. Like I feel like 38 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:38.120 the vibe it even though they're not bops, the vibe still doesn't go down. 39 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:43.919 You're still like, yeah on it on the high. Like like I 40 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:46.080 was listening to it and I was like, you know, like you're listening 41 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:49.240 to it and I was like, oh yeah, that's a nice song like 42 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:53.039 that. Oh yeah, I like this song. No no No, I 43 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:58.159 like this song no no, no, no no. I always find like, 44 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.759 what like singers and stuff bands, there's always at least one or two 45 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:06.360 songs that you're just like, E looks like, of course you're not gonna 46 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:11.680 like every single song you were like favorite artists released, because it's like it's 47 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:14.599 just you know, never, never gonna happen. But like, for the 48 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:16.720 first time in history, I literally was like, no, this album though 49 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:25.160 this album though, and me and Meghan are Goussie live. Oh we are 50 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:30.480 reuniting literally to go and see Power Moore. I'm forcing Megan to fly all 51 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:36.000 the way to Dublin just to see Paramore for one night. There's there would 52 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:40.639 be no forcing, honestly, like Fallout Boy. Growing up, when I 53 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:43.360 was a teenager, Fallout Boy or probably my favorite band. But then the 54 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:46.319 older that I've gotten, I've really leaned into Paramore a bit and fallout Boy 55 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:56.000 have just released have just announced their yes right, but Fallout Boy didn't release 56 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:58.800 an Irish date and I was like, oh, I could go to London 57 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:03.319 and no, I just couldn't wire. Neither did Beyonce and adults you know. 58 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:08.839 Rude, Okay, rude, we need dates too, It is rude. 59 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:14.279 Beyonce is doing three nights in London, three manga, three nights in 60 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:17.399 London, and you can't make oh trip across the pond. She's going to 61 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:27.759 like Sheffield or something like that. Sheffield. Okay, controversial opinion. Beyonce 62 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.720 is overrated. Oh no, I would like to see her alive. I 63 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:35.720 won't lie, Okay. She's an amazing singer, an amazing artist, but 64 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:44.199 I think she's overrated to the point where like, I don't know. I 65 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:46.480 just I don't know. It's like I'm sick of hearing about it. You 66 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:49.639 know, I get it, I do. I get it anyway. And 67 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:55.000 that was Emo Music Hour with Megan and Eve. That was her review of 68 00:05:55.480 --> 00:06:03.480 Paramour's new album stream This is why sponsor us stop imagine. No, I 69 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:09.759 think I would actually like die Oh my sweet Jesus Christ, I would. 70 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:14.920 Yeah, yeah, my heart would explode. Okay, well, get ready 71 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:20.199 for your heart to explode for a different reason. Tea, I don't want 72 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:26.279 to. Can we just make this like an a music episode? Yeah? 73 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:29.680 Oh my god, Nave, You're so good to me. So in case 74 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:32.279 you don't know what we're doing this week, and I I'm gonna give you 75 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.720 a clue. Um. Not everyone's gonna get it because not everyone will have 76 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:41.800 watched it. But it's relax. I want to take some pictures. I'm 77 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:44.040 just gonna give you a clue, and it's going to be the name of 78 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:50.439 the episode. Everyone will have watched the series, so not everyone will get 79 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:58.639 it. It's a complete Not everyone watched that series. I actually didn't, 80 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.560 so NI watched it, so obviously I've seen bits and pieces of it, 81 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:08.439 but I it, I just didn't want to watch it. And then I 82 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:13.360 had heard so much about family members of victims hadn't even been contacted in regards 83 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:16.759 to it. And for Netflix, who are such a major, major operation, 84 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:25.040 like you created a whole ass fictional TV show because it's not all real, 85 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:30.279 well, they like they used victims family's likeness in the court scenes and 86 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:32.160 stuff. I, by god, that's so spot on, and it was 87 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:41.160 actually scary her spot on. They got it, m but like, you 88 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:47.199 know, you dramatized something that's already pretty traumatizing for people. And in case 89 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:50.879 you don't know who we're talking about, we are talking about Jeffrey Dahmer. 90 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:56.319 Oh god, I've been dreading doing I researched this and I don't know why 91 00:07:56.360 --> 00:08:03.959 I researched it. I don't know why I did this to myself. Yeah. 92 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:07.720 Yeah, but can we just step back for a second, you guys, 93 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:13.839 and appreciate that Nive has like been doing this constant like serial killer stuff. 94 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:20.439 And I'm here with my like one part of episodes like before Kelly am 95 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.720 Bates, which is obviously horrific, but like haunted episodes and stuff, I'm 96 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:30.319 like, he and then Nive's like murder Dead. So I guess I'll those 97 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.200 jump right in. You guys are missing this. Nive does a little dive 98 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:37.840 every single time. It's my favorite. I look forward to it. Yeah, 99 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:43.519 if we ever start like filming these, oh fuck no, I'm sorry. 100 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.480 You do not want to see how we look right now. I got 101 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:50.960 my odeon, I got my cup of tea, I'm wearing today's makeup. 102 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.320 I have a burst pimple on my face. It's just I'm straight out of 103 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:58.720 the shower. So I feel like nobody looks good when they come out of 104 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:05.759 the show. We'll knockout me. When I say straight out, Obviously I 105 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:11.080 did dry my hair and put on clothes. I didn't just run down the 106 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:16.840 stairs in motel like I gotta record. Booby's are flapping forgive us more. 107 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:24.399 You do what you gotta do. It ain't much, but it's all honest 108 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:33.240 work. So with that being said, we'll just jump right into the fabulous. 109 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:37.320 Now, he's not fabulous at all. He's not. He's really not. 110 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:45.080 That's not like he's just so. Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer was born May twenty 111 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:54.679 first, nineteen sixty in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Sorry, that's Nile's birthday. 112 00:09:54.840 --> 00:10:05.440 That makes him a Taurus. No, oh, no, Nile is a 113 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:09.200 much better person. And don't worry. Nile doesn't go killing bunch of people 114 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:15.200 at least I hope he doesn't really know of He did get some new American 115 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:20.120 cycle style glasses though, so he's just living his dream. I don't know. 116 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:30.000 His parents were Lionel and Joyce Damer. Lionel was studying at Marquette University 117 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:35.360 when Jeffrey was just a young boy. Lionel wasn't really around much while Jeffrey 118 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.480 was growing up him. He was always kind of studying at college and then 119 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:45.720 he went on to just then constantly be working. He was a research chemist 120 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:52.279 and he worked extremely long hours. Joyce suffered from depression and possibly had other 121 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:58.799 mental health problems that were never really fully discussed and never were really fully like 122 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:05.279 released or anything like that. But I mean you can tell by her actions 123 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:13.399 that she has like deep rooted issues. Joyce did attempt suicide by overdosing on 124 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:22.279 pills. She was unsuccessful in killing herself. So Jeffrey was described as energetic 125 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:28.120 and as a happy child. Then just before his fourth birthday, he had 126 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:33.200 to have surgery for a double hernia to be removed, which is like very 127 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:37.559 wild for a four year old. Yeah, that's a big surgery for a 128 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.840 four year old. And also a double hernia, Like I always thought a 129 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:46.039 hernia was something that you kind of just got because, like you know, 130 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:50.840 it was you were pregnant, you had some sort of injury, or you 131 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.080 got hit with something. I didn't I never realized that you could just get 132 00:11:54.120 --> 00:12:01.879 one. Apparently, so after the surgery, jeff jeff After the surgery, 133 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:05.799 Jeffrey was very withdrawn and uncommunicative, and it appeared as if he was summary 134 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:13.480 suffering from PTSD from the surgery. It is said that it was never actually 135 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:20.519 properly explained to him, like what was happening. He just went into the 136 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:24.240 hospital one day and had this massive surgery, and no one, not his 137 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.159 parents, not the doctors ever like told him. And I know he's only 138 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:35.200 four, he wouldn't fully understood. But also he just as a four year 139 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.360 old was just brought into hospital. Yeah, that would be traumatic for a 140 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:46.639 child. But at the same time, who's reporting that he was never told? 141 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:48.600 You know, I'm not too sure as he says he can't remember, 142 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.720 you know, I'm not too sure who reported that. I just remember hearing 143 00:12:52.759 --> 00:13:00.120 it, so you know I heard it within my researching. Jeffrey had a 144 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.960 younger brother named David, and he was born in December nineteen sixty six. 145 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:09.200 Jeffrey was jealous of the attention his brother would get from his parents, but 146 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:16.399 mostly from his mother. His family then moved to Iaho, Ohio. Why 147 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:20.720 can't I talk? Oh my god, I just spat out my tea. 148 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:26.440 I wish we had a son board so that I could just replay leave saying 149 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:33.799 Iaho, why did I I can't talk today? You guys just speaking the 150 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:39.240 truth, to speak the truth. The family moved to Ohio when Jeffrey was 151 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:45.600 six years old. From an early age, Jeffrey began showing his interest in 152 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:52.279 bones and stuff. This was something that Jeffrey and Lionel would soon bond over, 153 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:58.000 just father son bonding over bones, bonding over bones as you do, 154 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:03.679 you know to see usual During dinner one evening, Jeffrey asked what would happen 155 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:09.360 if the chicken carcass from the dinner would be dipped in bleach? So they 156 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:11.960 were obviously having like a full chicken for dinner, and he was like, 157 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:20.120 what would happen if I just like dumped that in bleach. So well, 158 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:24.919 now I'm curious. So Lionel is a research scientist. Okay, you guys, 159 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:28.080 and we're not going to go give Minel hate because mine hate for this, 160 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:33.600 and I feel like he shouldn't live because he's a research scientist. So 161 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:39.279 he thinks his son is just curious and wants to research shit. Lionel decided 162 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:46.200 to show Jeffrey how to safely bleach and preserve animal bones. He bought Jeffrey 163 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:50.600 a chemistry set and was excited to have something to bond with his son over 164 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:56.919 because Jeffrey was so like secluded in himself, like so withdrawn. But then 165 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:01.720 when he showed an interest in something that Lionel could also take interest in, 166 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:05.639 he was like, fuck yeah, like I can bond with my son over 167 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:11.559 this, of course. I mean, okay, in my opinion, all 168 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.919 kids are somewhat curious about dead things. I mean, who hasn't when you 169 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:18.919 were a kid seen a dead bird and wanted to hold a funeral and all 170 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:24.879 of this stuff. And can I just say, Jennet Ortega, She's like, 171 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:26.799 oh yeah, I used to like dissect rats or whatever. She said, 172 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:30.440 some mad ship in an interview, and everybody was like, yes, 173 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:35.639 my queen. But when a dad and his son, okay, taking away 174 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:39.759 the whole fact of what monster Jeffrey grew up to be or just curious about 175 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:48.159 like bones, like you know, they're vilified, literally, like Lionel was 176 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:54.679 vilified for showing Jeffrey what to do because of who Jeffrey turned out to be. 177 00:15:54.639 --> 00:16:00.840 But obviously Lionel didn't think to himself, show him how to do this 178 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:04.679 so that in the future he can kill like loads of people, you know 179 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:11.639 what I mean. Obviously not like like an archaeologist or somebody who this is 180 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.720 their job, you know that. I mean, surely they showed some sort 181 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.720 of interest as a child as well, this is what I mean. So 182 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.840 I just thought, you know, like leave the man alone. He was 183 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:32.840 just trying to like exactly. You know, y'all got those two amazing soundbites 184 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:37.919 from me and Megan in this episode already you got Megan's bond of bones and 185 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:44.440 you got my iaho. Jeffrey was obsessed with the noise the bones made when 186 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:48.279 they shook, so he actually kept a bucket of bones and he called them 187 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:56.440 his fiddlesticks. No, yeah, that upsets me greatly. Jeffrey then started 188 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:02.159 to collect road kill and would just die sect them and preserve them in his 189 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:07.559 quote clubhouse in the garden, which was just like the shed nicky Mouth club. 190 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:14.000 Come inside, it's fun inside an horror show. It's fucking and Jeffrey 191 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:23.759 Thomas day secting and preserving dead, already dead animals. Jeffrey then began decapitating 192 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:29.079 the dead animals, and he would display them on sticks. It's important to 193 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.240 state here that he wasn't killing them himself, he was all finding them already 194 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:38.880 dead. Well, that makes the decapitation was better. I'm sorry, girl, 195 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:41.839 what the fuck? Imagine like you came home and you found your fucking 196 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:47.359 child had decapitated a bunch of roadkill and put their heads on sticks, Like, 197 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:51.119 Mama, I made some art for you. Happy brother's Day. I 198 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:57.680 think the fuck Not no, we're going to plan c ye, But like, 199 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:04.599 on second, I don't think i'm your mom. Sorry. Jeffrey's mother 200 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:10.759 was bedbound a lot of the time, just by the amount of medication that 201 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:18.920 she was on, which was roughly twenty tablet today. Like that's not great. 202 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:22.720 Oh gosh, I feel for her kidneys, isn't it? Your kidney, 203 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:29.160 so that get affected by his parents would argue a lot of the time, 204 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:32.559 and they wouldn't really pay much attention to him. And then his mother 205 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:38.079 was like obsessed with David, but not so much him. So Lionel stated 206 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:42.200 that when Jeffrey was eight years old, he was sexually abused by another boy 207 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:48.279 in the neighborhood. However, Jeffrey said that he didn't remember that ever happening, 208 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:52.880 so there's no proof. Wait say that, so Lionel Jeffrey had been 209 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:59.119 abused. Lionel said that when Jeffrey was roughly eight, he was abused by 210 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:03.319 another boy in their neighborhood, but Jeffrey was like, I don't think I 211 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:07.039 was. I don't ever remember that happening to me. See, there's two 212 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.359 different ways you could look at that. Then that it did happen, and 213 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:12.440 he Jeffrey reported it maybe at the time and he just blocked it out, 214 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:19.079 or Lionel is trying to retrospectively defend Jeffrey by saying, well, this happened, 215 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:25.200 maybe that's why. Yeah, Jeffrey had a high IQ, but only 216 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:30.559 ever had average or below average grades in school. The only class Jeffrey ever 217 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:36.160 took an interest in was biology. He played the clarinet and tennis. Okay, 218 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:38.839 I can see him in a pair of tennis shorts. Jeffrey said that 219 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:45.200 by seventh grade he was drinking during school. By the age of twelve, 220 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:48.000 he was drinking gin out of a fask he kept in his locker, and 221 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:53.400 this is confirmed by some of his at the time classmates. I feel like 222 00:19:53.480 --> 00:20:00.440 that's just like that before two thousands of the you know, I feel like 223 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:07.759 people were smoking cigarettes and getting crazy at school at a younger ages. Yeah, 224 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:10.519 yeah, we're back then. It was like, he's probably just on 225 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:19.000 a tough day at school. The finger painting didn't go well today. So 226 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:23.720 whenever anyone questioned him on the flask, he would say that it was his 227 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:33.559 quote medicine, which like same, Like where did you learn that from? 228 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:37.640 At the rival age of twelve, like a sweart cord. According to one 229 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.599 girl, she remembered Jeffrey drinking Scotch out of a styrofoam cup in the middle 230 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:48.119 of class. That's just hardcore though, but also horrible because I can imagine 231 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:52.440 the styrofoam would start to break down with alcohol. No, I would have 232 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:55.640 thought, so, I'm not gonna lie, right, I find that hard 233 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:59.640 to believe somewhat, just because like surely the teacher would have smelled that. 234 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:07.079 Oh yeah, like that's against the open container laws. If you're gonna drink 235 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.759 hard fucking alcohol, you need to have it in a flask. Jeffrey, 236 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:15.720 Jesus Christ Christ, We're in a class, Read it together. Jeffrey didn't 237 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:22.640 really have many friends and mostly kept himself. However, in school, in 238 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:27.720 order to get the attention from people, he would make odd noises at inappropriate 239 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:33.359 times in the middle of class and we all know one of those guys. 240 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:40.480 He would also fake seizures and draw body outlines in order to make his classmates 241 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:45.079 laugh. Yeah, body outlines are hilarious. He then snuck into pictures of 242 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:49.880 all the different school clubs for the yearbook, so like just before they took 243 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:56.559 them, he would just like like a mere cat height that is that is 244 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:02.559 kind of funny. His friends, well quote friends, would pay him to 245 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:06.759 do weird things out in public, and they would call it doing a Damer. 246 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:11.319 I really thought that that was like, you know, a high school 247 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.319 movie trope of like oh, you just did a Megan because you did something 248 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:19.599 silly or stupid, like you know you're doing a X name, but okay, 249 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:26.440 doing a damer. It was around fourteen years old when Jeffrey realized that 250 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:32.880 he was gay. As he came out of puberty, he began having fantasies 251 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:37.880 of raping boys, which is very concerning because he's only fourteen years of age. 252 00:22:40.599 --> 00:22:44.640 Yeah, to be at that age and even know what rape is is 253 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:48.119 a horrible thing, but then to fantasize about it, it's like, what 254 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:52.680 the fuck? Obviously, and I'm not like obviously, We're in the seventies. 255 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:59.519 Now realizes he's gay. He's fantasizing about raping boys. You're not going 256 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:03.680 to tell your father or your mother. I fantasize about raping boys. I 257 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:07.920 think I need help because that would tell them that you're gay. And it's 258 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:11.319 the seventies, and god forbid you'd be gay in the seventies and dream about 259 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:18.400 raping people. But also, ye oh, I can't tell. I can't 260 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.640 tell my parents that I might be a sexual predator because then they'll find out 261 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:26.319 I'm gay. I like boys, but like what I feel like those? 262 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:32.000 I get I know, I get it, but yeah, what At sixteen 263 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:36.000 years old, Jeffrey noticed a guy that would jog near his home every day, 264 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:40.799 and Jeffrey began to fantasize about how he wanted to knock the jogger unconscious 265 00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:47.279 and rape them. And one day the fantasy just became too much for Jeffrey 266 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:49.880 and he decided that he was going to go hide in the in a bush 267 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:55.559 along the jogger's route with a baseball bat. So this guy literally ran the 268 00:23:55.680 --> 00:24:06.240 same like loop every single day for months, so Jeffrey like knew at the 269 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:08.160 same time as well. So like Jeffrey knew exactly when he was going to 270 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:14.079 be running past. So he was like got his little baseball bat and was 271 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:23.799 like matta to shoe. But Jeffrey it was nut because for so Jeffrey's plan 272 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:27.200 was to jump out and hit the jogger unconscious, rape him, and then 273 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:36.200 murder him. But after waiting hours, the jogger never showed up. The 274 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:41.240 jogger just like randomly decided that day to not go for a jog. After 275 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:48.640 jogging the same loop every single day at the same time for months, he 276 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:53.160 was like, that's insane. Actually doesn't take a break today. That's his 277 00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:59.480 lucky day. That was his lucky Can you imagine like knowing like imagine you're 278 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:02.039 the jogger and you know that you took that loop every day, and then 279 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.240 you hear this on the news like years later, wouldn't you just be like, 280 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:11.000 oh my god, Wow, Yeah, I don't know how i'd feel 281 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:11.839 about that. I don't know how that would make me feel at all. 282 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:15.400 It would make me feel so scared, but at the same time so grateful 283 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:22.400 to be on the earth because literally, like I don't know where, you 284 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:26.680 just decided not to go for a jog and that literally saved your life. 285 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:34.039 When exercising helps you live longer. Wait, no, when not exercising helps 286 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:40.279 you live longer. So see, we're just saving our lives by not exercising, 287 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:45.319 you guys. Yeah, and you know what, smoke the extra cigarette. 288 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:52.759 You'll live an extra day for everyone. Jeffrey went home extremely unsatisfied because 289 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:56.279 his fantasy he did not get to live it out, so he was like, 290 00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:00.799 dark, I hate my life right now. Around this time, Jeffrey's 291 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:07.960 parents were fighting a lot despite being in counseling, and eventually they decided to 292 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:11.920 divorce, and on July twenty fourth, nineteen seventy eight, the divorce was 293 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:18.000 finalized. Both Lionel and Joyce charged each other with extreme cruelty and gross negligent 294 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:25.519 of duty. So they both like accused one another and had their lawyers like 295 00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:36.680 file charges of was their abuse and now yes and no, So from like 296 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:44.759 what I researched, and that Lionel had pushed Joyce several times, but Joyce 297 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:48.680 had like tried to stab him with a knife at one point, and like 298 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:55.759 she was completely and utterly mental unstable. And I think you just realized exactly 299 00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:00.000 how unstable she is when I read this next bit. But she was completely 300 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:06.599 and utterly, like mentally unstable, and she would fly off the handle at 301 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:12.000 Linel for like very minor things, and like she'd fly off the handle so 302 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:17.240 much so that then he would start yelling at her, which I know isn't 303 00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:22.319 good. But then at the same time his pushings were being his buttons were 304 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:23.880 being pushed, and then he like and then I think at one point, 305 00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:29.079 she like at one like during one altercation, she like grabbed a knife to 306 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:37.240 try to stab him. Okay, that's a lot and if you as a 307 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.519 child or witnessing any of this, obviously you can hear it at least, 308 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:45.119 but you know, she's on twenty pills a day, and if okay, 309 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:51.039 so say they were fucking her up or you know, she misses one and 310 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:53.799 that sucks up the whole the whole system. Yeah, like, so she 311 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.039 would fight with Linel a lot because he was working a lot, but he 312 00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:00.400 had to work a lot to pay all the bills because she couldn't work properly 313 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:06.759 because she was on twenty pills a day. So yeah, it's like a 314 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:11.000 tough and so then he would fight with her because he'd be like, well, 315 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:17.400 you're just a no good hey, yeah, she births your two children, 316 00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:19.359 don't say that. Stop it. Well, she may have birthed them, 317 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:26.640 but Joyce was a awarded so soul custody of their both well at the 318 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:32.960 time. So Jeffrey is now eighteen, but he's still in school. He 319 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.960 hasn't graduated yet, so he's just gone. He's not long after turning eighteen. 320 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:44.559 So Joyce is awarded custody of the youngest son, David, along with 321 00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:49.359 alimony payments. Obviously, she's not awarded custody of Jeffrey because he is eighteen, 322 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:53.279 so he's classed as an adult. However, he is still in school. 323 00:28:55.079 --> 00:29:00.160 He is you know, he's still a child realistically. Yeah, but 324 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:07.319 he just in the eyes of the state is considered an adult. Jeffrey came 325 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:17.279 home one evening after school, shortly after Joyce won the court battle for David. 326 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:21.960 She was living in the house, so Lionel had moved out and was 327 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:23.519 living I think in a motel or something at the time, I'm not too 328 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.359 sure, but he had moved out anyway, so she was in the home 329 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.519 with the two kids while the court battle was like going on. So she 330 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:37.039 won, and Jeffrey comes home to find that his mother is packing up the 331 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:42.559 car and she is leaving with David to move to Wisconsin. Okay, and 332 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:51.960 she that's an interesting move. She told Jeffrey that she didn't want him right, 333 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.799 that he was to stay in the house and her and David were to 334 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.119 go, but like, she didn't want to bring him free house forever. 335 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.480 So, as I said, Lionel had moved out of the family home during 336 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:11.400 the divorce, so Jeffrey was abandoned. He probably should have just called Lionel 337 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.880 and been like, hey, dad, like mom's gone, but he didn't. 338 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.240 He panicked and he was like, what the fuck my parents? Essentially 339 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:23.319 both my parents have just left me, which, as much as he is 340 00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:27.720 a shitty person, a shitty, But like, how long did it take 341 00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:32.039 for Lionel to realize this? Because months? If your son is still in 342 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:38.799 you mean you could have picked up the phone, daddio. So Lionel had 343 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:45.039 found himself a new fiance at this point, so he's like, fuck my 344 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.359 old life, Like who even is Jeffrey? Like who are you? Who 345 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.000 are you? Even? My son? Who are you? Jeffrey was left 346 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:57.799 with no food, no money, and a broken fridge. Sorry but the 347 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:03.119 broken fridge headed make get into this story. Oh, it's just like, 348 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.039 you know, like he didn't even have anywhere to store food. Here's no 349 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.759 food, here's no food. He didn't have any food. But if he 350 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:15.680 did have any he most certainly wouldn't have had it for long. He graduated 351 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:21.440 from high school with a zero point five GPA, which I am told is 352 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:27.799 extremely bad. Shortly after graduating, Jeffrey would commit his first murder. On 353 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:33.000 June eighteenth, nineteen seventy eight, Jeffrey picked up a hitchhiker, Stephen Mark 354 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.960 Hicks. Stephen was hitchhiking his way to a concert when Jeffrey pulled over. 355 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:44.880 Jeffrey convinced Stephen to come over to his house before the concert to have some 356 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.119 beers and smoke some weed and let's just be super cool, you guys. 357 00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:56.200 It is reported that they had consensual sex with one another, but this is 358 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:01.359 not proven. Okay, Steve even then wanted to leave for the concert. 359 00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:06.200 So basically Jeffrey was like, come to my house, let's have good drinks, 360 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.160 let's have smoked some weed, and then I'm like, I'll totally drop 361 00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:13.680 you off at the concert later. Yeah, let's just pregame it it. 362 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:15.960 Yeah, And so times moving on, and Steven's like, hey, like 363 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:22.839 my concert is starting soon, so like I think I'll gotta go go head 364 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:30.640 out. M Jeffrey was trying to convince Stephen to stay longer, but it 365 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:35.480 wasn't working. Like Stephen was like, I want to go. My concert 366 00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:37.319 start soon, Like you said you'd drop me, and now you're not dropping 367 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:44.680 me, Like you got two wasted, I'm out of here. In a 368 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:52.359 panic, Jeffrey hit Stephen over the head with a barbell twice. Jeffrey then 369 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:58.799 choked Stephen with the barbell. Jeffrey then stripped Stephen of all of his clothes 370 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:06.039 and Matt sturbated over him, No, how do you do all of that? 371 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.160 But You're like, I was in just such a panic that I'm masturbated. 372 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:15.880 How do you Okay, So if you break this down, Stephen wanted 373 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:20.240 to leave, Jeffrey's like, no, don't leave me, and decides to 374 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.200 go pick up the heaviest fucking thing he can find in the house, a 375 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.920 barbell. It's over the head with it, not once, but twice, 376 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.480 yes, correct, then strangles him to death with it. Yes, how 377 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:37.319 do you even think to do that in your head? And then just violates 378 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:44.480 Stephen as he's dying or dead. And I'll say, is that Karmer does 379 00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:52.039 come for Jeffrey in the end? Okay? So but yeah, I don't 380 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:58.240 fully don't. We're gonna let you ponder over that while we take a quick 381 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:15.360 at break and we're back. So the next day, Jeffrey dissected Stephen's body. 382 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:20.360 He put them in bin bags. He then loaded up the car with 383 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.400 the bags and decided that he was going to bring them to the local dump. 384 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.960 By the time he is doing this, it is late at night, 385 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.920 because it like literally took him the whole entire day to dissect Stephen's body. 386 00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.480 Jeffrey had been drinking while he was doing this, so by the time he 387 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:42.679 was leaving the house. He was actually quite drunk. On the way to 388 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:47.800 the dump, Jeffrey got pulled over by police because the car was swerving onto 389 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:52.920 the other side of the road. Jeffrey told police that he had been doing 390 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:58.000 some yard work and that he was bringing the clippings to the dump. It's 391 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.239 because they could see the bin bags and the back seat of the car and 392 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:05.039 they're like, what you do in their palm? And he was like, 393 00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.960 oh, nothing, just I was doing some yardwork for my mom and dad. 394 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:13.920 I just they asked me to bring the clippings to the dump. The 395 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:17.199 police could tell that he'd drink on them, so they told him to turn 396 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.559 his car around and go home and bring the bring the clippings the next morning. 397 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:28.760 Oh yeah, you're absolutely twisted fucking drunk. You're like eighteen, so 398 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.880 you shouldn't even be having a drink anyway. But I guess it's the seventies, 399 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:36.679 So like, who cares, Get back in your car, turn around 400 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:42.599 and endanger the lives of other drivers, Get your ass back home. Great 401 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.679 a police work here, yep, we can't even I can't even give out 402 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:52.159 to them over the bags. That's a different story because it's like, would 403 00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:58.400 you check it no police officers clippings exactly, you don't. You don't fucking 404 00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:04.239 expect that a drunk as body parts in the back of his car, but 405 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:09.199 sending him home, like, could you not have put him in a cell 406 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:15.480 for the night to sober up? So Jeffrey got home and decided to smash 407 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:22.840 Steven's bones into tiny pieces, even turning some of them to dust and scattering 408 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:28.480 them around his back garden and the woods behind his back garden. At the 409 00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:34.199 home, no one suspected any sort of a crime had ever happened, and 410 00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.719 Stephen Hicks was reported missing by his family. They would have to wait thirteen 411 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:45.320 years to find out what happened to their son, God thirteen years. Several 412 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:51.679 weeks later, Lionel decided to visit his children because he wanted to introduce them 413 00:36:51.679 --> 00:37:00.559 to his new fiance, Sherry. Why is Sherry always the name? And 414 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:07.119 then this is when Lionel learned that Joyce had abandoned Jeffrey and took David to 415 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:13.199 a new state. Because he probably wanted Sherry to meet David. Yeah, 416 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.440 he was thinking about Joyce. He was bringing them, He was bringing Sherry 417 00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:22.760 to meet David and Jeffrey. And then he got there and basically just spend 418 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:27.239 Jeffrey living in a ship hole. And did he do anything to help him 419 00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:29.880 or was he just like he took all right, okay, I'm going home. 420 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:34.039 No, he gathered, he got Jeffrey to gather his things and was 421 00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.960 like, okay, look, listen, you clearly can't stay here by yourself. 422 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:44.519 Like house was in like ruins, recking round, Like he's an eighteen 423 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.880 year old boy. Do you think that boy knew how to fucking clean a 424 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:54.440 dish? No, but he knew how to bleach bones what you know what 425 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:59.199 I mean? Like he was probably wearing the same shirt for the last three 426 00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:07.800 months anyway, Oh so dirty Damer So Lionel and Sherry were like, come 427 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.559 live with us, you know, like, come on off we go. 428 00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.960 Well, we'll fix it. So Jeffrey had graduated from high school with such 429 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:24.800 a terrible GPO that he hadn't actually enrolled in any COLLEGESPO. Listener, I 430 00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:30.719 know the Easter Rising is always in our heads. The GPO. Just for 431 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:40.199 those who don't know, it's the General Post Office. Yeah, m a 432 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.599 fun fact. It had bullet holes in it from the Easter Rising. That's 433 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:50.440 all I know that they were like in there in the Easter Rising, some 434 00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:52.880 people were and then other people were shooting at I don't know what happened, 435 00:38:52.920 --> 00:39:01.480 Okay, I meant to say GPA. He graduated from high school with a 436 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:06.239 terrible GPA, and he hadn't even enrolled in any colleges because, like he 437 00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.039 was, like, what's the point, They're not going to take me. 438 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:15.920 So Lionel decided to help Jeffrey, and he got him into Ohio State University 439 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:22.840 to study business. Jeffrey was extremely unproductive here. He was drinking every day 440 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:30.000 and he was early turning up to classes. Lionel had paid for Jeffrey's second 441 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:34.800 term upfront in advance, but Jeffrey was actually doing so pearly that they asked 442 00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.840 him to leave the college during his first term, not even his first semester. 443 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:44.000 His first term was Lionel pisted, Yeah, yeah, he paid for 444 00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:49.199 the second semester upfront and Jeffrey didn't even make it through the first term. 445 00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:54.199 That's it. I'm sending you back to Nickey Mouse's clubhouse. You can't live 446 00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:58.679 here with me and Sherry anymore. Go back to your ship hole. He 447 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:06.480 only completed three months of college, more than may I mean you imagine judge. 448 00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:13.000 I didn't even go I'll judge a lot because it's Jeffrey, Jeffrey Dammer. 449 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:17.400 Then, in January nineteen seventy nine, Lionel persisted that Jeffrey had to 450 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:22.119 do something with his life, so he enrolled him into the army. Jeffrey 451 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:30.280 went for basic training in Fort McClellan in Anniston, Alabama. He then went 452 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:37.320 on to train as a medical specialist at Fort sam Houston in San Antonio, 453 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:44.119 Texas. On July thirteenth, thirteenth, nineteen seventy nine, Jeffrey was deployed 454 00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:50.400 to West Germany, where he was the combat medic. In March nineteen eighty 455 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:55.840 one, Jeffrey was deemed unsuitable from military service and was honorably discharged. His 456 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:01.880 alcoholism was so bad that it started to affect his work, and in twenty 457 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:07.800 ten, a soldier claimed that he was stationed in Germany with Jeffrey, and 458 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:15.400 he claimed that Jeffrey reported repeatedly raped him over a seventeen month period. The 459 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:20.320 soldier did not report the crime at the time, but sadly, oh no 460 00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:24.000 sorry. The soldier did report the crime, but sadly no one took him 461 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:30.119 seriously. It is believed that he was not Jeffrey's only victim while stationed in 462 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:38.679 Germany. What you're telling me they're covering up crimes in the military unheard of. 463 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:45.639 I'm sure. My pearls, my pearls. So basically they just were 464 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:50.159 like, oh, Keane, he is drinking all the time. He's supposed 465 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.360 to be the combat medic and he's drunk all the time. So he's drunk 466 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:57.039 all the time. And then on top of that, then you have several 467 00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:04.000 people people reporting him for like sexually as halting him. So it's reported that 468 00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:10.719 what he would do is he would invite them into his like I don't know 469 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:14.840 his tent, I don't know, I don't know what they were living in. 470 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:19.079 He would basically invite them into his bedroom where he'd be like, I'll 471 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:22.800 give you a pill to like help you, like you know, like give 472 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.760 you the effects of weed or stuff like that, and they were like that 473 00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.920 sounds cool, and then he would drug them and then he would rape them 474 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:35.440 while they were like out of it. Oh, that's horrific. And I've 475 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:37.760 only heard of this one guy coming forward, but I don't know, like 476 00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.599 there could be more that did come forward. There could be more that did 477 00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:47.119 report it. I don't know. Again, it's nineteen eighty one by the 478 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:52.079 time he's discharged, so it's like a case of like, oh, but 479 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:59.440 then they'll think I'm gay. Yeah. Jeffrey was given a plane ticket to 480 00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:04.519 anywhere in America and by the Army in order for him to get home from 481 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:08.360 Germany. Jeffrey panicked and didn't want to tell his father about being discharged, 482 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:13.920 so he decided to go to Miami Beach, Florida. Oh, he just 483 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.000 went for a little little holiday, a little vacation. He got a job 484 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:22.360 at a sandwich shop and rented a room at a local motel. He spent 485 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:27.679 most of his wages on drink and was quickly evicted from the motel. Jeffrey 486 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.360 slept homeless on the beaches of Miami, drinking for a few weeks before deciding 487 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:37.519 to call his dad. He asked Lionel if he could come home to Ohio 488 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:45.360 in September nineteen eighty one, So essentially he realized that Miami was not working 489 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.800 out. He lost his job eventually at the sandwich shop, and then he 490 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:53.719 had lost his room in the motel, so he was just like living rough 491 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:57.480 on the beaches, like drinking every day, and then it was kind of 492 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:01.639 like, should probably go home, Yeah, you should do that, and 493 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:07.000 then she was like, Daddy, can I come home? Are you and 494 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:14.199 Sherry please? Jeffrey moved back in with Lionel and Sherry. Jeffrey was still 495 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:19.519 drinking very heavily, and he was arrested for drunk and disorderly conduct. He 496 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:24.599 was fined sixty dollars and a ten day suspended jail sentence. Lionel attempted to 497 00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:30.000 help Jeffrey get sober, but he was unsuccessful. Lionel ran out of patience 498 00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:34.559 with Jeffrey and decided it would be best if he went and he lived with 499 00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:38.800 his grandmother in West Alice in Wisconsin. And I will say, to be 500 00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:42.880 fair to Lionel, he got him into college that didn't work out, so 501 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:45.239 we got him to join the army because he was like, you have to 502 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.760 do something. That didn't work out. Came home and he tried to help 503 00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.480 him get sober, and that wasn't working out, and so I think he 504 00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:58.320 just was like, I don't know what to do anymore. So then he 505 00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.519 was like, maybe you should go stay with your grandmother because well she was 506 00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:06.280 living alone, so to have someone live with her would be super helpful, 507 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:12.480 and then on top of that, then she would be able to try kind 508 00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:16.000 of keep him on the straight and narrow per se. Jeffrey loved his grandmother 509 00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:24.039 and she was probably the only family member that Jeffrey would actually show affection to. 510 00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:29.320 To start off, everything was going really well with his grandmother. He 511 00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.519 was helping her with the chores, and he would attend church with her. 512 00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:38.280 However, Jeffrey was still drinking, and on August eighth, nineteen eighty two, 513 00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:45.920 Jeffrey was arrested for indecent exposure at a Wisconsin state fair. He exposed 514 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:52.880 himself to twenty He exposed himself to twenty five people, including children. I's 515 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:54.880 gonna say as soon as you said at the state fair, like that's the 516 00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:01.800 kids m Jeffrey was convicted, did and charged a fifty dollars fine plus court 517 00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:06.440 costs, So I don't know how much he actually ended up the pain. 518 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.719 How did he get less lesser fine for indecent exposure than he did for a 519 00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:17.559 drunken disorderly merca? Oh, you just flashed a bunch of kids, that's 520 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:22.119 fine, but hey, you're acting a little bit crazy outside a bar. 521 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:29.320 How dare you. Jeffrey got a job at a blood plasma center, but 522 00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:34.559 he was fired after ten months there and it was reported, and I don't 523 00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.480 know how true this is, but it was reported that he was like stealing 524 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:43.599 the blood. Oh it's okay, all right, I can count down there. 525 00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:49.920 According to the Netflix Evan Peters series, he was drinking it. But 526 00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:54.760 I don't know how true that is, but he Yeah. In nineteen eighty 527 00:46:54.760 --> 00:47:00.880 five, Jeffrey got a job as a mixer at an ambrosia factory where he 528 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.840 would work the night shift, so he basically was in charge of like a 529 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:15.119 giant mixers ambrosia like creamed rice. Yeah, I thought that was irish. 530 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:22.679 Oh creamed Okay, for the record, it's fucking disgusting. Well, they 531 00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:27.519 don't do just creamed rice. They do like puddings as well and stuff anything 532 00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:34.679 I have had no, Well, that's because Jeffrey Dahmer worked there in the 533 00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:44.000 eighties. Tainted it forever. Jeffrey was arrested in Milwaukee for lude and las 534 00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:52.639 facious acts in September nineteen eighty six. Jeffrey had been caught masturbating in front 535 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.639 of two twelve year old boys. Keep your fucking dick in your pants, 536 00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:00.920 and this stands for Jeffrey forever. Just keep your fucking dicking your pants and 537 00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:07.960 all of your problems will be like, at least halved Jeffrey. At least 538 00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:15.000 Jeffrey was going into a eunuch. Just cut it off, let's sort everything 539 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.119 out. Tell you. Jeffrey was going to get a one year sentence. 540 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:22.119 However, he told the judge that he was just urinating and that he was 541 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:28.320 unaware that anyone could see him. Yeah, don't don't You have to pump 542 00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:34.119 your penis to urinate, right, that's how you get the pout m must 543 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:39.719 be. The judge decided to change the charges to disorderly conduct, and he 544 00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:51.199 was sentenced to one year's probation. YEP. By late nineteen eighty five, 545 00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:55.239 Jeffrey began going out to gay bars and clubs and started going to local bathhouses, 546 00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:59.480 which are I had to research because I was like, what the fuck 547 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:06.719 is that bath house? And it is basically like not even motels. It's 548 00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.800 basically just what looked like motels. You rent a room to have sex in 549 00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:15.360 and then you leave. But they're like for gay people mostly why are they 550 00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:22.039 called bathhouses? So? Because I don't know, like doing the opposite of 551 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:29.599 getting clean, you get nasty. Well, I get dirty. Yeah. 552 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:37.239 Maybe that's why they were called bathhouses for the irony like a blowjob, because 553 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.840 you don't blow, you suck. Yeah. Oh my god, I never 554 00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:50.199 thought of that, right. Jeffrey started to become more sexually active, and 555 00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:55.360 he would get frustrated at how much his sexual partners would like to move and 556 00:49:55.400 --> 00:50:01.199 talk during sex. Oh yeah, that's the worst. Don't you hate it 557 00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:07.880 when they just move? Yeah, like when they're an active participant in sex. 558 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:10.119 Oh terrible, terrible. You want me to have sex with you? 559 00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:15.480 No, thank you. I'd like you to resist a little. Yeah, 560 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.280 if you could just like really pretend that you don't want me here right now. 561 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:27.400 That just really helped me. He began to fantasize about them being incapacitated. 562 00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:34.000 Quote. I trained myself to view people as objects of pleasure instead of 563 00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:40.360 people. Okay. This was when Jeffrey started to drug his sexual partners and 564 00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:46.360 then rape them. Jeffrey almost overdosed one of his partners and an ambulance had 565 00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:51.519 to be called, and after this, Jeffrey's membership was revoked and he was 566 00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:58.199 barred from all bathhouses if he was doing this already in the military like he's 567 00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:04.119 experienced. Jeffrey began using hotels and motels after this, And it was around 568 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:08.559 this time Jeffrey had read in the paper about the death of a local eighteen 569 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:15.760 year old boy. Jeffrey thought about digging up the boy's body to take it 570 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:21.400 home and to keep it, but according to Jeffrey, the ground was too 571 00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:27.000 hard and frozen, so he gave up and he went home. So did 572 00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:32.480 he actually go to the site, And apparently where does that end? So 573 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:38.360 we're at a point now where he's already committed his first murder in the military, 574 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:43.880 has been using drugs so that he can sexually assault people. He has 575 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:47.719 now come home, is living with his grandmother, has already been arrested multiple 576 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:55.760 times and been in court multiple times, and now he's been banned from all 577 00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:01.119 of the bathhouses because he nearly killed somebody. Yeah, it is like, 578 00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:08.840 how does one do all this in so little years? On November twentieth, 579 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:14.679 nineteen eighty seven, Jeffrey picked up twenty five year old Stephen to me at 580 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:19.519 a local bar. Jeffrey convinced Stephen to spend the night with him at the 581 00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:25.199 Ambassador Hotel because obviously he couldn't go back to a bathhouse. Jeffrey's plan was 582 00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:30.320 to drug and rape Stephen. However, the next morning, Jeffrey woke up 583 00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:37.480 to cut some bruises on his hands, and he found Stephen had been so 584 00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:44.480 badly beaten that his chest had been crushed in. That's horrific. Stephen had 585 00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:50.199 been beaten beyond recognition and blood was coming from his mouth. Jeffrey claimed he 586 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:53.199 never intended on killing Stephen and he had no memory of any of it. 587 00:52:54.960 --> 00:53:00.079 Why did they always say that? They always say I have no memory of 588 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:05.679 at least one of their murders. And it's like, he literally confessed to 589 00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:12.440 have everything. So it's like, why are you saying you don't remember this 590 00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:15.639 one? Like do you actually not remember because you did confess to everything? 591 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:19.480 Or are you genuinely just having us on for a laugh because you just don't 592 00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:22.519 want to admit to this one? Yeah? Why this one? Because I 593 00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:29.239 feel like, no matter how drunk or how high you get, I feel 594 00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:35.960 like you're going to remember something like viciously beating some to death. Jeffrey thought 595 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:39.440 maybe he had gotten blackout drunk and tried to take Steven's heart out from his 596 00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:44.119 chest, so Jeffrey was like. Jeffrey was like, I think I just 597 00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.880 got like so drunk and so out of it, and that in my out 598 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:52.960 of its state, I just must have wanted his heart. That's just still 599 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:57.320 no excuse, though obously it's no excuse to kill anybody ever, but to 600 00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.639 be like, I'm black out, draw I can't remember what I did last 601 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:07.559 night. No, it's not normal to want to take somebody's hurt from their 602 00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:14.199 chest. No, it's not. And I have never in my twenty five 603 00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:19.480 years of life seeing somebody that has been black out drunk, like to the 604 00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:24.559 point where they genuinely might not remember the night, but actually still then be 605 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:31.159 able to stand up and move and like make movements what's the word, like, 606 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.079 I know what you mean, Like they purposeful movement. They would be 607 00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:42.679 very sloppy. He wouldn't be able to, in my opinion, do something 608 00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:50.800 as calculated exactly. Jeffrey then went and bought two large suitcases and to put 609 00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.320 Stephen's body in. So he put Stephen's body in one and then he put 610 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:58.880 any evidence off the crime in the other. He then got a taxi back 611 00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:04.039 to his grandmother's eyes. The taxi, the taxi man was helping. Jeffrey 612 00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:07.880 put his bags in the boot of the taxi and joked about how heavy the 613 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:12.360 bags were, commenting, quote, you'd think there was a body in there. 614 00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:16.519 God, can you imagine being that taxi driver. And again, like 615 00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:22.000 the jogger hearing the story years later, and maybe he doesn't even remember like 616 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:25.239 doing or saying that, but and it's like so true because when it's like 617 00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:28.639 when you have like a heavy suitcase, it's like, yay, is what 618 00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:34.360 you gotten there? A dead body? Yeah? You know, it's the 619 00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:38.639 thing you say. Yeah. Jeffrey then hid Steven's body in the basement of 620 00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:44.840 his grandmother's house for a few days. So from what I can gather, 621 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:52.400 his grandmother's house had a basement, and in the basement there was like a 622 00:55:52.519 --> 00:56:00.920 seller Okay it was jef Ramsey says. Like the Ramsey says, they had 623 00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:02.639 like a wine cellar in there, kind of like the wine cellar in the 624 00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:09.039 basement, but like it wasn't used for wine. But that's where he stored 625 00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:15.400 the body, and he stored it there for a few days before severing the 626 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:20.480 head and limbs from the torso. Jeffrey then took all of the bones from 627 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:24.519 the body and cut the body into small pieces. He then put all of 628 00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:29.840 the pieces into a bag and then put them out for trash collection. He's 629 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:37.039 so brave in the sense that he doesn't he's so sure of himself that nobody's 630 00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:40.760 going to look in the bag. Jeffrey smashed all the bones, but he 631 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:49.280 decided to keep Stephen's head. Jeffrey had Steven's head wrapped in a blanket for 632 00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:53.119 two weeks. He then attempted to preserve it by boiling it in a bleach 633 00:56:53.239 --> 00:57:00.960 mixture in order to keep it for masturbation purposes, thankfully, and however, 634 00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:06.719 the bones became too brittle after being boiled and he had to just dispose of 635 00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:10.239 the skull with the rest of the bones. Stephen was reported missing by his 636 00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:16.239 family in December nineteen eighty seven, and Stephen is still considered a missing person 637 00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:23.000 to this day because his body was never actually discovered. Jeffrey did admit to 638 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:30.400 murdering Stephen, but like there was no evidence to ever prove that Jeffrey and 639 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:37.360 Stephen ever even met up together, other than Jeffrey saying, yeah, know 640 00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:40.639 that I killed him. Yeah, And by the end, Jeffrey was chasing 641 00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:51.920 a lot of notoriety so you never know. Yeah, Stephen had given Jeffrey 642 00:57:51.960 --> 00:58:00.920 a taste for murder. And it's strange because the first murder freaked him out 643 00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:06.920 and like scared him almost like he was kind of like, what the fuck 644 00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:08.000 did I just do? And how did I just do that? And what 645 00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:12.199 was wrong with me for doing that? And then it's like, all these 646 00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:16.519 years later, he accidentally then kills Stephen to me. Well, like quote 647 00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:24.159 unquote accidentally kills Stephen to me, and it like instead of freaking him out, 648 00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:29.159 gave him a taste for it. Yeah, like the first time around, 649 00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:31.159 well, the first time around he had to have liked it to a 650 00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:36.639 degree because he masturbated and he did. But then I think it was the 651 00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:39.199 aftermath then he was like, oh my god, like what the like, 652 00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:46.280 So with the first murder I heard, like I read and researched that he 653 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:54.320 like originally was trying to hide that's Stephen's body under the house and then panic 654 00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:58.119 because then he was like, no, like what if an animal finds it 655 00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:00.280 and then drags it out? And how do I explain? And the smell 656 00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:04.360 and he like was freaking out and he was like, what's the best way 657 00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:07.360 to get rid of this? And like was I can't believe I've done this, 658 00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:12.239 like oh my god, like holy shit. Like with the first murder, 659 00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:17.719 it was like the initial killing turned him on and then he freaked out. 660 00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:22.679 But then with this murder, he didn't have the like freak out as 661 00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:30.119 such. Yeah, and instead yeah, instead he was a case of like 662 00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:39.960 might like to do that again, and thus began his years long spray. 663 00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:45.880 How would that even? I know where Jeffrey got it from, because he'd 664 00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:51.199 done it in his childhood to a degree, I know she's saying that together. 665 00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:54.599 Yeah, to be like, mm, I preserve animals this way, 666 00:59:54.599 --> 01:00:00.679 so I should like definitely try to preserve this human head so that I can 667 01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:06.679 use it for purposes. And I mean, we can all use our imagination 668 01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:08.719 as to what the hell he was going to do with that head. Leave, 669 01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:14.480 No, I don't want to use my imagination. It's a dark place. 670 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:20.360 Yeah, well prepare for it to get a whole lot darker next week 671 01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:27.519 when we discuss all of his victims. It is a dark, dark place. 672 01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:32.760 Um, but you know what's not a dark place. 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