Hey everyone, I recently wrapped my other show, Unsafe Spaces. It's an
investigative serialized true crime podcast that looks into Stephen Lorenzo and Scott Schweikert, two
gay men who were targeting and murdering other gay men in the Tampa Bay area
of Florida. Season one is complete and bingeable now, So while you're waiting
for the next season of true crime bullshit coming next month, I'll be sharing
the first four episodes of Unsafe Spaces with you here. Listen and then head
on over to Unsafe Spaces and Apple Podcasts or wherever you're listening now and binge
the rest of the season. This is a studio both and production. Let's
violate the world, bring our fantasies to realities. I'm extreme, calculated and
loved. Easy to make them vanish with no link to us in the least,
easier to find a loner guy less connection. I do a chokehold from
behind. You hold him down, strap him up, not to be found
again. He wasn't going to be going back. These are quotes from America
Online instant messages between Master Scott, whom we now know is Scott Schweipert and
dom dude for sub who we now know is Stephen Lorenzo. Whenever I take
on a new case, the first question I find my self asking is how
did we get here? What series of events, both personal and anthropological,
created an environment for these crimes to have occurred? And in this case the
answer is a lot more complicated than in others I've cover, because in order
to understand these crimes, we have to understand not just gay culture, but
societies effect on it. We have to understand power dynamics and couples. We
have to take a look at law enforcements and media's roles in crime. It's
often a challenging, convoluted, and heartbreaking study in humanity, and so it's
hard to know just where to start, because more often than not, beginnings
are just the reverberations from a coalescence of events that came before. Few things
rarely begin any more. Usually they just carry over. But for now,
I guess we'll start with December twenty second of two thousand three. On December
twenty second, two thousand three, there were two different missing persons cases filed
with the Tampa, Florida Police Department. The first was of twenty six year
old Jason Rodney Gale House, a gay man who had recently moved to Tampa
from Sarasota, Florida. Jason was reported missing by his roommate at eleven twenty
five a m. On the morning of the twenty second. His roommate reported
that on the night of Friday, December nineteenth, he, Jason, and
two of their friends a couple, had gone out bar hopping in Tampa.
The four of them eventually ended up at twenty six o six, a gay
bar on North Armenia Avenue, in the early morning hours of December twentieth.
Because the four friends had driven to twenty six oh six together, Jason didn't
have his car with him, and when it was time to leave, Jason
told his friends that he didn't need a ride because he was going to go
home with two guys he'd met at the bar. It was the last time
that Jason's friend saw him, and unfortunately, none of them saw either of
the two men that Jason left the bar with. Detective Carlos Lastra was the
responding officer in Jason's missing person case, and he took the disappearance seriously.
Immediately following Jason's roommate's interview and AFFI. David Lastra went to Jason's place of
work, a flower shop where Jason was a floral designer, and upon interviewing
Jason's boss, he learned that Jason hadn't been to work in three days,
which was very unlike him. In a follow up interview with Jason's roommate,
the one who had reported him missing, he told Lastra that he had known
Jason for years, that they were childhood friends. Back in Sarasota, he
let Lastra search the house that he shared with Jason and another roommate, and
when pressed about Jason's life, he admitted that Jason had been to the hospital
on two different occasions for drug overdoses, but that had been years prior.
He said that since then, Jason no longer used GHB. JHB is a
depressant drug that slows down messages traveling between the brain and the body. It's
also a party drug and often referred to as the date rape drug. But
he said that Jason did still occasionally snort cocaine and that Jason had been going
to twenty six oh six every weekend for the past several months. He said
that Jason did have a habit of using recreational drugs and hooking up with guys
from the bars, and he confirmed that after reaching out to friends, no
one in their friend group had seen nor heard from Jason since he left the
bar that night. The second missing person's report that was filed with Tampa Pedee
on the twenty second was for twenty six year old Michael Wockles. Michael had
recently moved to Tampa from Tarpin Springs, Florida, about forty miles away northwest.
He was working as a waiter at Bahama Breeze. According to his former
roommates, Michael was a happy, go lucky guy who'd recently reconnected with his
estranged mother and had begun dating again after a breakup the previous year. They
said that Michael had started going out with men he'd met in internet chat rooms
and that it was something they worry about. But it was Michael's new roommate,
Fred Van Denavel, who reported him missing when he failed to return home
from a night out. According to reports, Michael was last seen in his
red nineteen ninety two jeep Cherokee leaving his Bay Club apartment in Tampa's Rocky Point
neighborhood between eleven pm and midnight on December twentieth, almost twenty four hours after
Jason Galehouse was last seen leaving twenty six oh six. It was unclear where
exactly Michael was headed that night. He spoke with several friends on his cell
phone after leaving his apartment, but only said that he was going out for
drinks. Michael's cell phone and jeep disappeared with him, and there'd be no
signs of Michael nor any major leads in his case for two weeks following his
disappearance. Now, there are a few different things at play in the production
of this podcast. For one, I am a gay man around the same
age Michael and Jason would be now, so it's hard not to experience this
investigation or see the people involved through a personal lens. Second, and more
critical, the only way to discuss this case holistically is to share as best
I can the gay experience and gay culture written large. It's a defining factor
in both this story and in the spaces we'll be discussing, and despite how
media often portrays it, homosexuality is not a monolith. So throughout the season,
I'll be playing conversations I've had with gay men across the country and of
all ages about their experiences and how those experiences have defined their relationship with homes,
sexuality, their relationships with other gay men, and their identity as a
whole. This is a part of a conversation I had with an old friend,
Eric Schmidt about drug and alcohol abuse amongst gay men. Drug and alcohol
abuse runs pretty rampant within the gay community, or at least it did when
you know, when we were I think it's I think it still does,
and you know, I for me, I can only imagine that that comes
from or I will speak for myself, like when I have over imbibed or
put myself in risky positions with substances, it was because I didn't feel comfortable
in my own skin, or I had self loathing or lack of confidence and
was just afraid and needed something to take my head away from my body.
I guess yeah, And I wonder if that has been your experience as well.
I absolutely, I would say absolutely. I think I think also,
you know, again, going back to that, like we don't we don't
date as teenagers, we don't learn how to form intimate relationships with people as
teenagers, and then drugs and alcoholicure do make that easier. I think a
lot of my drug use was was very wrapped up in the perceived intimacy of
either getting high with somebody, using with somebody, the sex that we were
going to have while we were while we were high. Absolutely when hand in
hand with me being able to move into a sexual space that I you know,
didn't get in the shallow into the poolng. It's almost like all growing
up, you know, being gay was bad, Gay intimacy was bad,
Gay sex is bad. If you yeah, it's going to kill you.
It'll kill you, or you'll get gay bashed, it's God will hate you,
your parents will leave you. Like, at least in the eighties and
nineties, like everything that was hammered into by everyone around you for the most
part was that being gay and having gay sex and having gay relationships was only
going to lead to heartbreak, death, trouble. And so yeah, like
being intimate in any way or vulnerable with other gay men was terrifying. And
I think for me that was like I need to be drunk to be in
this space because I can't acknowledge what this space represents. Yeah, and Unfortunately,
I you know, that got me in trouble when I when I got
to San Francisco. My my drug use absolutely got me in trouble, and
it slid out of control very very quickly, and was tied to the first
time in my life that I felt attractive, the first time in my life
that I was starting to understand myself and my body sexually. It was just
unfortunate that so much of that was tied up in drug use. But it
was the drug use that made me comfortable enough to figure myself out. Unfortunately,
then I had to figure out how to get out of the drug the
drug use. It's interesting you saying, you know the first time you felt
attractive, Like I remember moving to San Francisco very young, I think it
was eighteen, and thinking I'm going to finally have my gay community, Like
this is a space where I can be safe and have like a brotherhood and
share experiences and everyone knows what I've been through and so we're going to look
out for each other, and like you can find that, or I was
able to find that, But mostly what I felt was a lot of the
things we're talking about, like predation, bitchiness, people like sub categorizing or
subculturing and othering every gay person they could. You know, gay people like
to put people in boxes. And it was just like the predation in particular
was like I had never felt sexy or attractive because you know, whether girls
knew I was gay or not, I think their spidy senses were always up.
And so it was like, you know, I had never felt wanted
or attractive until I was around gay men. But a lot of that was
applied through what felt predatory or you know, I'm going to hurt you so
you can't hurt me and m so then like, you know, you internalize
that as like the only way I can be attractive is if someone's like taking
my control away from me, or taking my power away from me, or
treating me like shit. Yeah, the things that I think the things that
like the popular teenage girls go through in middle school and they hopefully figure it
out. But yeah, now, and I don't mean to laugh about it.
It's just when what what what you describe is is what I think is
taken away from so so many queer people is that you don't have like the
formative years, this stuff just isn't there. And then by the time it
happens you're old enough that you have access to money, and you have access
to alcohol, and you have access to drugs, and and just it all
gets I think for so many gay, gay man or queer people, it
gets really jumbled up. And I think for a lot of us, it
takes a long time to come out the other side of them and see ourselves
as like who we really are. We see ourselves as the attractive person that
we are, the giving, the generous, the sexual, the you know,
all of the things that we can be. And you know, it's
unfortunate that sometimes these realizations come really late in the game. I mean,
I look at pictures of myself in my New York years, in my twenties,
in my early twenties, my late teens, in my early twenties,
and I'm like, who is that adorable little boy? Why was he not
dating? Why was he not out there? Like? How did I not?
How did I not know how valuable I really was? And at forty
eight years old, I could look back as somebody that is mostly sober,
that you know, is in a stable relationship. I look back and I'm
like, oh, that poor kid, Like I wish I wish you didn't
have to travel through all the bullshit you were going to go through before you
got to this point. Well, and how could you know your value if
you know all of society was telling you you had none. Right. The
first significant lead in either case occurred on January sixth of two thousand and four,
just several weeks after Michael and Jason were both reported missing. On December
twenty second, Michael Wocoltz's red Jeep Cherokee was discovered parked at the Camden Bay
Point Apartment Complex, a Memorial highway on the outskirts of Tampa between Old Tampa
Bay and the Tampa International Airport. A passerby had noticed that the jeep had
been parked near the leasing office for quite some time, and upon further investigation,
they saw what appeared to be a body in the trunk, and sure
enough, when Tampa police investigators arrived, they found the decomposing body of a
man wrapped in a sheet in the trunk of the jeep. It took several
days to confirm that the body was in fact Michael Walchole's. An autopsy was
conducted on January seventh, but due to the state of decomposition, the medical
examiner could not determine a cause of death. People feared that they may never
know what happened to Michael. Investigators were fairly conservative about not jumping to any
conclusions regarding whether this proved that Michael's death was a homicide, but what they
were certain of was that someone else had to be involved. Someone had to
have dropped Michael's car off at that apartment complex. Two theories emerged amongst the
general public and media, one that Michael had been murdered, and two that
Michael had overdosed on drugs and that someone, out of fear and hoping to
remain anonymous, drove his jeep and body to the parking lot. Tampa police
were also careful not to jump to any conclusions connecting Michael's death and Jason Galehouse's
disappearance. The lead detectives in each case continued you to share information with one
another, but had no strong evidence connecting the two cases. Lastra and the
Block. The two lead detectives in Jason's case continued canvassing the gay areas of
Tampa, interviewing Jason's friends and family, and eventually looking into other Tampa crimes
that could be connected and soon, those three tactics would align in a way
that changed the investigations into both Gaelhouse and Wokle's dramatically. On January twenty eighth
of two thousand and four, Tampa Peade pulled missing persons reports for two other
local cases of missing gay men, James Mark Schumacher and Bradley Lee Williams.
James Shoemaker was last seen at a Tampa gay bar, the Parthenon, on
October twentieth of nineteen ninety five. James years old at the time and much
like Jason Galehouse. On the night that James disappeared, he had been driven
to the Parthenon, so he didn't have his car with him. Unfortunately,
no one recalled seeing him leave the bar that night, and he's never been
seen nor heard from since. James was reported missing several days after he was
last seen. Extensive air service and canine searches were conducted in the investigation into
James's disappearance, and numerous potential witnesses were interviewed, but there were no signs
of James, nor was there any solid information regarding his whereabouts. Bradley Lee
Williams was last seen on June eighth of two thousand and one, near the
sixty three hundred block of Southwest Shore Boulevard in Tampa. The following day,
he missed a shift at his job at the local post office. However,
according to the Charlie Project, Bradley wasn't reported missing for over a week and
a half after he was last seen, due largely in part to his friends
and coworkers assuming he'd just quit his job. But when his family didn't hear
from him on Father's Day June seventeenth, nine days after he was last seen,
they knew something was wrong. After several attempts to get a hold of
him, they reported him missing to Tampa PDE. When police arrived at Bradley's
house, it was clear that he hadn't been there in quite some time.
His two cats and pet parakeet were on the brink of starvation. In the
search of his house, police found Bradley's wallet and cell phone and determined that
his car had disappeared with him. Tampa PEDE eventually recovered his car, which
had been abandoned in a strip mall parking lot on Kennedy Boulevard in Tampa,
about a blockdown the street from the Metropolis Gay Club. Bradley was thirty years
old, six foot two, and weighed approximately one hundred seventy pounds at the
time of his disappearance. Both Bradley Lee Williams and James Mark Schumacher's cases remain
unsolved and to have gone cold. In going through those records and several other
police reports involving Tampa's gay community, Tampa Peedy compiled a list of ten individuals
and requested driver and vehicle information and criminal histories for all ten. Three of
those names were redacted from the files sent to us, including one which was
marked deceased with a notation that his death was under investigation by Tampa Homicide.
Two were Bradley Williams and James Shoemaker, four were Tampa area gay men with
a history of drug and alcohol related charges, and the tenth was Mark Allan
Thompson. Mark Alan Thompson was thirty years old when he disappeared from Clearwater,
Florida, a coastal city just twenty five miles west across Tampa Bay from Tampa.
Mark was last seen just after midnight on November first of two thousand one.
He was leaving the Pro Shop Pub, a gay bar on Cleveland Street
in downtown Clearwater after celebrating Halloween there with friends. Mark's mother, whom he
was living with at the time, reported that he had never made at home
that night. The following evening, the night of November first, she reported
him missing after he failed to show up to work that day. Four days
later, Mark's nineteen ninety eight Ford Ranger pick up truck was found abandoned at
an undisclosed location in Tampa. Mark was never found and his remains open.
Between nineteen ninety five and December of two thousand and three, police determined that
there were at least five unsolved missing persons cases involving gay men who were last
seen in or near Tampa area gay bars, and in the midst of their
investigations into the disappearances of Jason Galehouse and Michael Wachold's Tampa Peedee, were starting
to wonder if these disappearances could all be connected and it wasn't just these missing
persons cases. There was talk amongst Tampa's gay hustler scene of horrendous assaults and
sex work gone terribly wrong. These chats give a glimpse into the minds of
Scott Schweibert and Stephen Lorenzo. The chots lay out their ideas and their plans
and their design or two as they said, quote pray on the vulnerability of
their victims. Most importantly, your honor will hear from Master Scott himself,
Scott Schweigert. He'll tell the court how he and mister Lorenzo were linked together
by Limit Expander, that is the screen name of an individual who linked these
two gentlemen together. You will learn how their friendship, if you call it
that, progressed. You'll learn that mister Lorenzo considers himself to be the experienced
bondage master, and that mister Schweikert was a novice. Both men, through
the course of their we'll call it relationship from October to December of two thousand
and three, ultimately had the same goal. They wanted to find unsuspecting young
men who were alone in bars. They befriended them and and then invited them
back to Stephen Lorenzo's house, which was on Pwhattan Avenue within the city of
Tampa, for some drinks and a conceptual bondage session. However, mister Schweikert
and mister Lorenzo had different plans. Once the young men were to get back
to mister Lorenzo's house, they were going to and I quote from the chats,
use and abuse them to see how far mister Schweikert and mister Lorenzo would
go and to see how well they would work together. On January twenty seventh
of two thousand and four, Tampa peed Detective John Columbia made his way to
a local church on Kennedy Boulevard, several blocks from Metropolis, the gay club
where Bradley Williams car was found after he disappeared. Columbia was looking for a
gay man who went by Cubo, a man who frequented the church for free
lunches. There had been talk around the gay hustler seeing that Cubo and a
friend of his had been attacked by a man that they'd each gone home with
to have sex in exchange for drugs. According to a bartender at the gay
bar, Kiki Kikubo and one of his friends were gay street hustlers, and
each of them had a separate encounter with this man who picked them up,
offered them drugs, took them home, and then assaulted them. He beat
them, raped them, and covered their faces with saran wrap. The bartender
told Kubo and his friend to report the incident, but they refused used,
citing their own criminal histories and a general fear of the police. When Columbia
discovered that Cubo had left town for the day, he continued returning to that
church daily and hopes to track him down and get the full story. On
the twenty ninth, while he was at the church for the third day in
a row looking for Cubo, he got a call from an unknown man.
The man told him that he met an Italian man at Club twenty six oh
six on a Saturday night in May of two thousand and three. After talking
for a while, the man agreed to go home with this Italian man.
They drove in separate cars to his house, which was near the Save a
lot on West Hillsborough Have in the Seminole Heights neighborhood of Tampa. The caller
told Columbia that upon arriving at the Italian man's house, he was poured a
glass of wine and they talked about their lives while sipping that wine, and
then he blacked out. The next thing he remembered was waking up at six
a m. Naked and tied to the man's bed. When he asked to
be untied, the man told him that he wasn't free to leave, and
then he said that he was going to take his car park it in a
random parking lot and that no one would ever find him. The man kept
him there, tied to the bed for eleven hours, and then without any
theatrix, he simply untied him and let him go at five p m.
The collar described the man as short, with a white car and an Italian
sounding name. He said the man told him he'd previously been self employed as
a handyman. Fortunately, the caller had the wherewithal to write down the address
of the house as he was leaving that night. He told Columbia that the
man lived at two thirteen West Powaton Avenue and that he could certainly pick him
out of any line up. He also told Columbia that he'd previously reported the
incident to detective to Bloc that he wanted the man prosecuted, but nothing ever
came of it. After the phone call and the stories about Cubo and his
friend, Columbia began going through old police reports involving assaults in the Tampa gay
community, and he found drug facilitated sexual assaults of at least four men reported
in the Tampa area. Police had several different suspects that they were looking at
for these assaults, one of whom was a man well known in Tampa's gay
BDSM scene, a man aimed Stephen Lorenzo, And it turned out that Stephen
Lorenzo lived at two thirteen West Powaton Ave. And then the other thing,
which maybe you could help me with it, because I'm I can't. You
know, it's hard not to project while I'm doing this just as a gay
man. Oh, you know, I wonder and it comes up with keys
too, like is there an anti LGBTQ culture at play here? Like?
Is there a self loathing internalized homophobia at play? The idea of gay men
targeting other gay men, Like, there's two obvious buckets. One is that's
because they're who they're sexually attracted to. The other is it's some sort of
internalized homophobia. Well, you know, you and I have a bit of
a general rational difference in our ages, and it's you know, a question
like that requires me to do some discernment while also respecting the intersection of identities.
This is doctor Scott from the La Not So Confidential podcast. He's a
licensed clinical psychologist who works in forensics with law enforcement in Los Angeles. He
specializes in identity development and specialized populations. You'll be hearing more from him throughout
the season. But this is a conversation we had in our pre interview about
how to communicate about gay culture and BDSM. I only think that the generation
that's maybe post twenty five years, what would that make them sillennials, those
are probably the ones that have more of a tendency to be free of internalized
homophobia. My generation nobody got away from it. You know, even even
my friends and colleagues that are like have been like, even those that are
driven by activism and driven by you know, reclaiming the word queer. And
that doesn't just because you inhabit that space doesn't mean that you're free of internalized
homophobia. In fact, you may be running away from it in that way
versus running to it. But that being said, I don't know if that's
the driver here, and that falls a little bit into it leans a little
bit more towards and this is no reflection on what your question is. But
like sort of the junk science we had about the schizophrenogenic mother when we used
to say, well, if the male child did something, or if the
male child is mentally ill, it's mom's fault, right, So there may
be something that plays at it, But I would tend more especially you know,
psychopathy trumps everything. You know, It's just like when psychopathy like there
is in Lorenzo, when it's that high a level, there's no room for
internalized homophobia because he doesn't have a functioning amygdala or a functioning medula that processes
the Lindux system messages about empathy and compassion. He doesn't give a shit.
Yeah, so he's not going to be hampered by it. So if that's
something that you'd like, if that's a kind of a response and I could
offer, I'm happy to do that. Yeah. I think for me,
like I've been spending a little bit of time trying to paint a picture of
gay culture and how it in many ways is a product of societal perspectives.
I just don't know if that's a feudal device or not in this well,
it could be for the victims. Yeah, I mean I think that that'd
be because it is a rarefied environment which those victims were found, right,
Yeah, and that you know part of I mean, I would say this
if like with these crimes only being a couple of decades old rather than fifty
or sixty years old in the gay community that existed at that time, which
was very very drug driven. You know, there's a lot less drugs involved
or chemsects in the BDSM community now. But look there, and this may
be this may be too much for your audience, but a lot of what
drives this I think. I mean, I won't speak for the women and
the lesbians that have their own version of the BDSM community, but there's so
much of this that has to do with daddy issues. So much of it,
Josh, you know, like that idea. You know, even kids
today. I say when I say kids, when younger generations today have more
freedom and see and exploring their sexuality, they don't have the baggage that I
have. There's still something that's about a child in that developmental period knows that
they are different, and they know that they're different because it's just because kids
are smart. Toddlers are smart, and they pick up if there's something that's
not quite the same about them and the way their gaze looks at other individuals
around them, and parents consciously or unconsciously pick up on that and then they
replay consciously or unconsciously all that back to their kids. So my experience as
a clinician is that so many of these people are working out. Look,
every relationship we have is working out family. It's working out family baggage.
There's no escaping in it, right. But within the leather of community,
you know, you'll hear this among guys, it's like, well, yeah,
I'm the daddy, but you know, even daddies need daddy's and you
know, it just goes on. There's just like hierarchy, not hierarchy,
but there's a chain of attempts at reparenting by using these tools of bondage and
discipline that you know, I think it ends up being a version of sexual
alchemy for the people that participate in it, whether they realize that's what they're
doing or not. Now, it's important to paint a picture of Tampa in
the late nineties and early oughts, and an even broader picture of gay culture
at the time. Throughout the nineties, Tampa ped was under fire for what
the ACLU called discriminatory police stings which targeted gay men. They accused the police
force of using entrapment tactics to arrest gay men and then use those arrests for
publicity. And that is just a microcosm of how gay men were treated by
law enforcement and society writ large. At the time, police and cities across
the country seemed to quietly adopt a tough on gaze policy, and assaults on
gay men weren't generally taken seriously, if they were even reported. The relationship
between the gay community and law enforcement was fraught at best. Gay men rarely
felt safe reporting any gay related crimes to the police, and while society's views
on homosexuality were very slowly changing, much of the trust had been completely eroded
by the gay bar raids of the sixties and seventies, the complete dismissal of
the AIDS crisis in the eighties, the denial of basic human equality from both
the church and the state in the nineties and onward. So Stephen Lorenzo felt
he could operate in the open and with impunity because he'd essentially been told by
society that he could. But the gay community always rises up to plan.
We thought we knew what it all looked like. We were looking out on
the greatest view. We were raised to take a stand. We were always
to keep an open mind. We believe we're just say alone through Now I'm
one hundred miles an hour, sitting in my palace without any power, alone
in the dark. We're alone in the dark. Thought we could always try
a bit harder. But if the dice don or all in your favor,
that falls apart. The fantasy falls apart. This is Fantasyson, Miss Dumdulli
and on Down's very of a turb road, impen sabrets from the Dods a
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this confuse. This episode was written, researched, edited and produced by Me
Your Host Josh Hallmark, with additional research by Kaz Resources included the Charlie Project,
name us uncovered, the Clearwater Police Department, the Tampa Bay Times,
and the Tampa Police Department. This episode featured Eric Schmidt and Doctor Scott from
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