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Hello, and welcome to episode forty
one of Game Spot after Dark. I'm

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your host Jake Dekker, and joining
me this week is Lucy James, Hello,

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Kelly Plaguey Hi, and John Luke
Psyke. Hello. How's everyone doing.

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We were just talking about this while
you went to get some water.

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We're tired, really tired. I'm
tired too. I'm going to do my

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best to I don't know, inject
energy into myself. Yeah. I think

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it's fine. Little talk. Oh, it's fine when talking to people and

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like doing stuff. I just find
that I'm sleeping a lot more and I'm

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just like feeling I'm getting that mid
afternoon slump. At four twenty in the

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afternoon. Yeah, I've been nine
thirty and I'm like time to go to

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bed, which is like I am
tired. I mean, I'm always like

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this. I'm tired literally all day
until like nine pm. And then I'm

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like, all right, it's time
to be alive. Time to finish up

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my flower Guide Animal crossing. Oh
yeah, that's what Michael does. I

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see him posting things and like for
like published feedback and like ten o'clock and

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I'm like, all right, man, get done. Michael and I have

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the same like circadian rhythm, and
that we're both completely nocturnal people. Yeah,

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he always jokes that he doesn't start
working until like four PM, because

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I used to be a really nocturnal
person. But then I would counterbalance it

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by sleeping in really late. But
unfortunately these days, the absolute latest I

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can be asleep by is nine thirty. Asleep until is nine thirty. So

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now I'm still awake at night.
But also I don't get the lie in

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yep, which just sucks. When
I was in college, I literally would

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go to bed at like six SAM
and then wake up at four pm.

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It's awful. It's so bad.
It was so depressing. But that's just

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like how my body is. So
I'm just permanently tired, and it's the

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life that I accept. Hey,
I read a book all about sleep,

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and there are people who are just
biologically wired that way. You can't really

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change it. And that's one of
the It's one of the things that they're

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trying to figure out with schools and
kids is because obviously kids need to wake

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up early to go to school because
parents have to go to work. But

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that's actually really bad for kids because
especially teenagers, because there are some people

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who just can't go to sleep at
like nine thirty ten and they want to

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wake up. They want to go
to bed at like, I don't know,

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two three am, and they want
to wake up at like eleven or

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so. Yeah. When I was
in high school, I probably got I

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want to say, like six hours
of school week. Yeah, and that's

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really bad. Yeah, fine,
you just got to roll out of bed

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and go on the zoom call stay
in your pajamas, You're good. Yeah.

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I totally don't do that at all. I totally don't stay in bed

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until ninety four. I feel very
seen. Well, anyway, why don't

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we talk about what we've been playing
this week? Callie? Do you want

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to kick it off with some with
your Animal Crossing corner? Sure? You

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know, I'm just still playing Animal
Crossing because I've finally gotten into this swing

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of like decorating my island a little
bit more because I was so focused on

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collecting information for guides that like I
really neglected the decoration part. So I've

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been enjoying that. And like Jake
said, I did complete the flower guide.

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John Luke's helping out with some graphics
for that as well. And basically

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what I did was I looked at
the data mind information and I sourced it

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obviously, but I took that information
and it's all very technical if you've read

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the like raw data mind guides,
and I tried to make it a little

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bit more streamlined for people who aren't
interested in like like flowers have jeans and

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stuff and like you can totally I
for the Turnip guide, I actually read

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read literal code like I read code
and deciphered it and then translated that into

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like English for the guide and for
flower guys. The guides were actually they

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were. It wasn't just raw code. There was a technical explanation and there's

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binary involved and like, so I
stripped all of that out of Game Spots

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guide and tried to make it a
little more accessible. I still talk about

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the genes though, and the guide, so shout out to all those data

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miners I used. I don't know
how to pronounce it. Palas Pah did

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an advanced flower genetics guide, and
I linked out to that in ours.

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If you're curious about the actual technical
specifics, that is what I do.

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When does Museum Day or Museum Week
start? That's soon, isn't it the

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seventeenth or eighteenth, I forget,
so one thing I'm really curious about.

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So museum Day is gonna be fun. I'm gonna have fun with that.

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I'm so curious about wedding season for
two reasons. Oh yeah. One,

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so I have seen I have seen
all of the items online that are coming

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in the wedding update, so I
kind of have an idea. But the

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thing I don't understand is in South
if you're if your island is in the

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Southern Hemisphere, is it also wedding
season for you because it's full on winter

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by by June in like the Southern
Hemisphere, So do you have a nice

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window wedding. Did they just have
the different wedding season or is it like

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well, because did they get like
cherry blossoms at the same time we did?

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No different? Right, Yeah,
but this is the first time it'll

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have been like a a post release
update that may or may not be seasonal.

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So I'm curious to see how that
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Southern Hemisphere, or you have a
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that wasn't Australian. I tried my
best, No I didn't. Anyway,

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if you have one of those,
and you know if it's going to be

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wedding season or not. Maybe your
Nintendo Direct is different or something and you've

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got a different update from them.
I'd be curious to find that out because

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I have been having a hard time
finding answers. I was gonna say,

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you caant time skip, can you, because it's one of those ones that

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patch in Yep. Yeah, so
Cherry Blossoms wasn't like that. You could

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from the very like from the time
we got it before release, you could

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time skip into April or October if
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Cherry Blossoms. Yeah. So yeah, m yeah, yeah, you know,

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exciting stuff for me. I read
code, I have much of me

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a week than I have. I
drew some Punnett squares in my notebook.

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I genuinely find that stuff fascinating.
Though, Like me and my girlfriend have

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been like getting into the flower game, I guess, and like we just

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learned about how if you send if
somebody else waters your flowers, like it

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like the chances of them growing.
So we like tried it one night and

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then like I had like three times
the amount of like flowers and hybrids grows,

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so we're like, oh my god, we have to do this every

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night now. So like I'm I'm
I'm all in on the flowers. So

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your guy has been excellent. Thank
you. The visitor water and bonus is

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sick. Basically you can get if
you have five people water your flowers,

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like, not including yourself, you
have five friends come and water your flowers,

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you have an almost one hundred percent
chance of that flower producing another flower

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the next day. So you could
basically be like, Okay, here's my

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path to flowers, invite five friends
over, have them watering, give them

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a prize or whatever. I don't
know how you're dynamic with your friends is.

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But we literally did this thing because
John Luke's girlfriend and I play animal

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crossing together sometimes, and we had
this group and we literally just went to

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each girl's island respectively and watered her
flowers. Lucy, you should come to

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the girl's flower watering knives man.
Yeah, So you get like a super

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good bonus. And then the other
thing that people may or may not know

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about it with flowers. Last thing
I'll say about flowers, because this is

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all I've been thinking about for the
past like two or three days, is

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you can clone a flower, so
you can breed two flowers. Right,

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you're probably familiar with how that works. But flowers can also produce another flower

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by themselves if they're watered, and
the chance of that happening with the visitor

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watering bonus goes up as well.
And the thing about that is, like

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why that's important. If you're just
you know, casual, you like the

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color of a certain flower, that's
a really efficient way to like duplicate a

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hybrid. So if you only have
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to clone it instead of having to
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But if you're thinking about the genetics
of flowers, like the code that

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makes a flower whatever color it is, there's multiple combinations that result in the

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same color, and then those combinations
like can result in a third new color.

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And that's why getting blue roses is
super hard. So cloning a flower,

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if you know it's like the right
genes, you can clone it and

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it'll have the exact same genes.
So that makes it way more efficient to

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breed those really difficult flowers. And
I laid that out in the Flower Guide,

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like how that works, and I
named them different things so you can

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keep track, hopefully, but John
Luke's gonna make cool arts. So because

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it's all text right now, jeez, I feel like you need a degree

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in like biology. Understand this area
biology. Biology is bogology, genes and

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stuff. It's Mandelian genetics, basic
Mendelian genetics. She would have studied.

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Probably your freshman year was like the
Punet squares, so you have like recessive

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genes and stuff, so you know, like dominant recessive genes, like when

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you're talking about pea plants, like
recormental test of the pea plants, there's

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like capital R lowercase R don't come
back to me. Yeah, So that's

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in animal crossing, except it's it's
coded just in binary. So the guide

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that I looked at did translate it
from the binary code into like Punnet squares

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style letters, and then I then
made an abstraction of that in my guide,

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so you don't have to worry about
all the letters and stuff and all

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the science as much. I kind
of get into it. There's a I

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started college in science and it's coming
in handy. I was gonna say,

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if I was a ninth grade biology
teacher, I would use animal crossings like

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the way to teach the kids about
this, Like that's that's the way to

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do it. Yeah, everyone bring
your switches into class. I mean,

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like they're not ons playing Switch in
class these days, and their classes are

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all on the zoom. You know
what they're you know what they're doing.

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They're taking photos of themselves and then
making that their zoom background, and then

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they're hiding so it looks like they're
paying attention and they're frozen, and then

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they play Switch. Oh my god, Like why we did a board game

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kind of day. We used tabletop
sim at the weekend and we're playing with

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Daniel Crooper from r KG and his
zoom background is a loop of him reaching

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in and looking like he's giving him
a cup of tea, and then the

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Crooper, like the actual Crooper like
picked up a drink and like I didn't.

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I was looking away at something else
and I looked back. I genuinely

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got the fright of my life because
I know that he lives by himself,

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so I was like, there's somebody
in your house. Dan. Crowd are

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used to work at game Spot had
that like tweet that got like five hundred

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thousand likes of him just walking in
on zoom. And then I feel like

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after that everyone just started doing all
these like zoom zoom videos of people were

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just walking in on themselves. It's
good stuff. But anyway, Jean Lucue

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even playing I'm playing a lot of
things, but I've been playing rock band.

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I thought. A few weeks ago, I mentioned how we were playing

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Guitar Hero because my girlfriend got Guitar
Hero because she loves Guitar Hero, and

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that made me really want to play
rock band because that's what I ended up

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like really getting into. So we
it was a bit of an ordeal.

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It always is with that game.
It always is. So I don't have

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any of my old rock band stuff
anymore, and the only one you can

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play on modern systems is for I
don't care for the song list in four

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and I was like, I was
like, that's not what I want.

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I want rock Band one. I
want rock Band two. Like that's what

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I want. So I had my
parents ship my Xbox three sixty across the

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country here and then we bought on
eBay like it was like two hundred and

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fifty dollars and it came with like
drum kit, guitar, microphone, and

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then Rock Band one two, and
then they threw in a copy of Jeff

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Dam Def Jam Rap Star for good
measure, which was great. Uh appreciate

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that. And yeah, we've been
playing and it's been a lot of fun.

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It's unfortunately also been kind of a
technical mess. The kick pedal likes

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to disconnect, which makes the drums
unplayable at times. Like it's weird because

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it's like sometimes it's fine, like
I'm not one hundred percent sure what causes

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it, so like sometimes I'll be
like, Okay, I'll awa slightly press

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down on it and that'll work,
and then event it'll just disconnect and I

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have to like unplug it and if
I replug it in and then it works

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for like another minute or so,
and then you can only play minute long

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songs on drums. Yeah, and
we're at the hard songs now. We're

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at like Green Grass and High Tides, which is like nine minutes long.

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And that's when I was like,
we have I can't. I can't do

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this, Like we can't. So
we've actually put it on hiatus and we

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ordered another kick pedal that should hopefully
be arriving soon. My worry is that

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I hope it's like, I hope
it's not the jack, because if it's

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the jack in the in the drum
set, then I don't know what to

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do because at that point that's just
the whole drum sets no good. I

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think in the room I'm currently in
in my parents cells, there's a bunch

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of rock bands. Yeah, I
see drums back there. I'm pretty sure

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I should just send you this stuff. It's like, alrighty, I would

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love that if if you get The
more important question I have is what do

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you do with the drum set when
you're not using it? Well? Actually,

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like we now have a we have
a corner that we actually have some

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space we've been putting it in,
which is nice. We would have not

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been able to do this in our
older apartment. I'm like, so for

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multiple reasons, I'm very thankful we're
in a new apartment at the beginning of

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this year, but specifically also because
of like we couldn't do rock band at

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all, no way. But yeah, it's been it's like really really fun.

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I forgot how good that game is. Uh like just uh we named

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him? Can we say that.
I'm not going to bleep it out because

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it's too much. Let's been real
guys. All right, wow loud.

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The best part about it is like
in the loading screens, they do these

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like they'll have like real images is
of like San Francisco, were like Paris,

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and they'll like superimposed your characters like
on top of them. But they'll

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also put like your logo, so
it'll just say like pussy eaters on like

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the side of a van, or
on like a billboard. He used to

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see that in the loading screen.
Also, the s is our money signs

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because we don't need to bleep it
in that case, we're good. Yeah,

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yeah, that's good. That's through
rock bands filter that it can get

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our sensors. It actually didn't.
They were like, you, this will

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not work in online play, like
we're gonna have to give you a different

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name. And we're like, we
don't care. We're not going online with

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this. Let us keep it.
I'm good. Did you see so?

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A few weeks ago there was a
guy who played Through the Fire and Flames

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on Guitar Hero. But he's playing
on expert at one hundred and sixty five

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percent speed right, and he got
one hundred He got one hundred percent of

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all the notes and it was insane. And now the guitar player from Dragon

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Force has done it where he's actually
playing the song on a real guitar at

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one hundred and sixty five speed,
So it's a battle unbelievable. That's crazy.

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Yeah, I know he's I know
these people have had years to practice

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this, but I still can't believe
that. I should watch the video because

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his hand is moving just like impossibly
quickly. That's nice. It's unbelievable.

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It's so cool because I want to
say with originally when the Through the Fine

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Flames came out, the original version
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What was the end credits one?
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a couple years ago, and actually
one of the developers on the one hundred

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and sixty five percent run commented and
said, this song was so hard we

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couldn't put it as part of the
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why it's the end credits song,
which is a no fail state because at

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the time, and not even I
think only one of the developers could actually

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finish it. It was that guy. Well, because I think the original

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band didn't even play it live on
the guitar like I think it was like

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digitally altered to be at that speed. So the idea that the actual band

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member can now not only play that
song but play it at an even crazier

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speed is like, that's insane.
I need name again. I need proof

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that the video is not edited,
Like I need somebody in the background,

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like doing normal stuff at normal like
they're holding like a stopwatch or something,

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and they can't look like one of
those like TikTok people do this stuff doing

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like did you go in a chima
or something? Lucy, what about you?

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What have you even up to?
I haven't really been doing that much.

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I've been playing a bunch of Oh
Wow, played some Halo Reach,

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or we tried to. The net
code in the mass Chief collection is not

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good, and it's especially not good
when two of you in San Francisco and

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one of you is in London.
So if you weren't hosting, you would

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get insane lag and we would have
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Cardi, our friend in the UK, was hosting the leave the first time,

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and Tam and I were kind of
going, this doesn't feel right,

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it feels weird, and TAM's was
lagging way more than mine was, and

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then mine started to lag, but
obviously I get motion sick, so we

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had to we go through a bit
of reach, a couple of hours of

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reach. But then we've been playing
a much of tabletop simulator, which is

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really fun. Played some greed dice
game we played. Tried to play trivial

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Pursuit. That didn't work out so
well because it's very fiddly to do all

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the cards and all the pieces and
for some reason we couldn't take just one

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card. You'd accidentally take the deck
the whole time. But you know,

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there was Lord of the Rings Trivial
Pursuit in there, so I didn't want.

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I did want to play that,
but no one played with me.

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I've been played Scrabble, so it's
been There's actually like quite a nice weekend

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of just like playing board games that
we had like a Zoom hang out with

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some people too, and in between
I'm just playing Person and five which is

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great. And I'm I really really
like the new Madame Boss Fight. I

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thought that was really cool. I'm
now at the place like fifteen hours in

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where they've stopped handholding and it's all
just the new stuff mixed in with the

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old really well, or the new
mechanics and yeah, already we've done that

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much. Cool, that was bad
grammar at the end, not really been

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done that much, not really been
doing that much close enough, It's fine.

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I didn't notice. I mean,
I've just been I've been playing a

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couple of things, one of which
I definitely can't talk about, not until

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next week. Another one, I
guess I can say I've been playing it,

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but I don't think I'm going to. I'm just gonna ye save the

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suspense. One of those is,
and I don't know. I think I

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know what the other one is.
Wait, went to a preview. I

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went to a preview yesterday to play
something, And normally I would like to

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share my thoughts on that, but
I can't yet. But this is the

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equivalent of tweeting an unhappy face and
then everyone else going, oh you okay,

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Han, what's up? Just trying
to get some attention here. But

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the other thing, I've been playing
a lot of his Blood Born. I've

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been hoping Matt Padgett is doing his
first run through of this game on stream,

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so I've been trying to play ahead
of him so I remember everything that's

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happening. And I haven't played that
game since twenty fifteen, so I don't

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remember a vast majority of it,
like I remember Yarnum, and I remember

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a bit of the Forbidden Woods,
but like beyond that, I don't remember

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a lot of this game, and
it has been a lot of fun to

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see those areas again. I've been
trying out weapons I've never used before,

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because you know, I beat the
game four times back in twenty fifteen,

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but I only use the saw Cleaver. I don't know why, but that's

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all I did. Well, no
hunter Ax is mine. Well, that's

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so that's what I started with this
time for the first time, and I

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was enjoying that. But I really
wanted to use Ludwig's Holy Blade because I

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always thought that weapon looked cool,
but I never tried it. I guess

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I did use the crow Blades,
is that what they're called Blades of Mercy,

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and originally because I thought those were
cool, but they weren't very effective

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at least how I played. So
where are you up to? I just

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beat the one reborn and now I'm
backtracking. I did Castle Kanehurst, which

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I beat Martyr Lagarius on my first
try, which I remember him giving me

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some issues when I originally did it, and now I'm about to fight Abritus,

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which I'm terrified of because of all
the bosses and Bloodborn. That one

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took me for ever and I am
to fight it. But I did it

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on New Game like plus plus plus
because I didn't know what existed. Yeah,

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so I'm hoping it'll be easier this
time because I'm just starting fresh.

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I'm not doing New Game plus.
Yeah. And then on top of that,

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I never played the DLC, so
I'm excited to go. Ok.

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I was going to say, because
like the Ludwig is like, oh my

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god, I think it's Ludwig,
right, it's the horse. Yeah,

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yeah, he's the one. I'm
It must have been like fifty plus attempts

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to beat him. I had to. I summoned the two NPC's for him

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because so my boyfriend and I played
through. It's really annoying because we're right

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at the end of the DLC and
the last and we also, you know,

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finished the rest of the main game
bar the final boss fight. I

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think we've missed the true ending.
So yeah, just that one boss fight.

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Everything else was fine, like relatively
fine. We would beat most bosses

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three to three, goes Max Ludwig
took hours, like hours, and I

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almost rage quite a few times.
There was parts where I was getting snippy.

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There's points because he had animal crossing
by then, so he just was

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like, I'm just gonna let you
do this. And then the one time

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that I actually did it, he
has a recording of me where I'm looking

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at the screen and I don't think
that I've done it, and I look

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furious, and I just turn around
to him and I look furious, and

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then he like gestures to me to
look at the screen and I look back

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and I can see, you know, like, and I look back and

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it's just sheer joy. It's like
a shit meme template. But it's like

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the least cute picture of me ever
because I'm not wearing makeup or anything.

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But he keeps using it as a
reaction emission. I'm like, okay,

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he would, but I want to
I want to do my own run.

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I've been having a lot of fun. I've also been doing choice dungeons,

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which I like kind of dabbled and
when it first came out, but I

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didn't get super into them. And
now I'm actually going through and doing that.

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Like the design they're all like how
it works is like the randomly they're

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all randomly generated, but the best
randomly generated ones, at least I think,

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are used as like standards that everyone
sees when they do. Like,

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God, I'm describing this terribly,
but basically there are some that are randomly

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generated and some that aren't, and
the ones that aren't randomly generated are still

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kind of randomly generated, but everyone
gets those same Chalice dungeons across the board

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and design wise, like they're pretty
simple, but some of the bosses you

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fight, and those are all so
much harder than a lot of the main

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story bosses, like and a lot
of them are repeats, like I'm fighting

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rom again in one of the Childis
dungeons, and it's so much harder.

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Yeah. Yeah, there's one dog, fire Dog, that's like unique to

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the Child Dungeons that probably the second
hardest boss, absolutely painting the ass because

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it's like, imagine like a giant
dog that like rushes you and is on

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fire. But it's like the in
the arena feels like three times smaller than

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it should be for like a boss
like that. It is absolutely terrible.

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It's like, so I've I've thought
that boss once. I imagine I'll fight

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him again, because that kind of
seems like the trend in a lot of

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these, and I didn't think he
was too tough on that first try.

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I'm I'm sure it's gonna get harder. But one thing I noticed is the

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hit boxes were all messed up,
like he'd swing at me with his like

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jaw and I would dodge back and
I wouldn't be I'd be i don't know,

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like a foot away from it,
and I'd still take damage. And

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that was pretty frustrating because it's just
like, oh, come on, I

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was doing such a good job and
I clearly dodged it, but the game

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has decided no, I should get
hit by this, which is frustrating.

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But other than that, yeah,
are you trying to get the Platinum?

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Are you trying to go for that? I don't know. I just want

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to play through it for now.
I think I might do another play through

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at some point, just with different
weapons, because like I said, there's

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so many weapons that I never used. But yeah, I don't know.

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I just want to finish it for
now and we'll see, we'll see where

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it goes. It's been enjoying,
Yeah, I've been enjoying watching Matt though,

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because he's been doing incredibly well,
like frustratingly well. Like I'll like

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tell him to do things like I'll
surprise a boss on him, Like you'd

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be like, am I safe up
here? And I'm like, oh yeah,

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just keep going and there's a lamp. And then he'll walk into a

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boss arena and I'll be like,
all right, now you're gonna die and

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he'll win, and I'll be like, come on, this is this is

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this is no fun. You need
to get mad sometimes, but yeah,

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I've been really enjoying that. Anyway. Shall we move on to the topics

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of the week. Oh? Sure? First one up here is a Mafia

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trilogy has been announced and it's going
to get a full reveal May nineteenth.

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Ah. That teaser trailer look cool. Yeah, it looks great. Like

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look and the screenshots because I don't
think the Microsoft Store was a post to

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put those up with it. I
guess I don't think so, but I

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don't because they also lead I assume
it's a leak if the full reveal was

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on May nineteenth, but it was
like, oh yeah, full games coming

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in August. But it looked really
good because I never played Mafia one in

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two. I did play three,
and I got such a ridiculous glitch in

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it that I fell off halfway through. Oh yeah, yeah, I couldn't

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get through three, just because I
don't know. The story was cool,

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but I felt like story beats happened
so far between, like all of this

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monotony that I had so much trouble
getting through it. But the one that

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steals the show is Mafia one,
because it, at least based on the

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images, it sounds like they've done
like a whole graphical overhaul, which would

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be really interesting because I didn't play
a lot of Mafia one, but one

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thing I remember is that like you
had to obey traffic laws and stuff in

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that game. I'm been very interesting, John Nick, you played some of

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it, didn't you? You played
Mafia one? No? No, I

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didn't. Actually i've I've wanted to, but I've avoided playing it because I

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heard how dated it was, things
like the traffic laws, things like some

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of the missions being real monotonous.
There's like this infamous race car mission where

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you have to like beat like a
like a like a Formula one race that

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was apparently so bad because the story
behind this is crazy, Like the developers

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apparently like designed the level around like
a top quality like racing wheel purph role

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that they tested it on, but
they didn't test it on like an actual

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controller or like mouse and keyboard.
So apparently it is completely unplayable, but

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it's like required to beat the game, and it was so infamous that they

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apparently like patched it out like that
you to make it optional, which is

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like, which is incredible. Uh
so stuff like that, Like I find

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I think that game was fascinating,
but I never played it. I never

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played two either. I want to
play two. Two is really good.

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I want to play two because the
thing I didn't like about three was what

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you were saying was like I really
love the story stuff, and then I

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00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:02.200
fell off because it became like very
monotonous checklist. Go here and take over

406
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:03.880
this part of the city and do
the same five missions and then you go

407
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.400
recruit this guy, and it was
like this boring, Like I was like,

408
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.519
I just want that story stuff.
And apparently that's exactly what Mafia two

409
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.720
is. And Mafia two is like
an open world, but like there it

410
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.759
didn't have open world checklist, it
just had you know, like story stuff.

411
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:22.559
And so apparently for three, they
said, like, apparently, I

412
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.759
guess that was a big complaint for
two, So then they tried to correct

413
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:29.279
it for three, but then times
changed and then everyone wanted it to be

414
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:33.799
more like two, which is unfortunate. But anyway, I'm really curious to

415
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.599
play those games because, like I've
I've heard amazing things about two, and

416
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.119
I feel like one. I'm curious
if it holds up, like the story

417
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.440
holds up, or how they're going
to change that game, if they're going

418
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:48.000
to try and make it more accessible. Yeah, I definitely recommend playing two

419
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:49.519
when that comes around, because at
least at the time, I thought two

420
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.799
was fantastic. It is kind of
like a classic like Mafia gangster story,

421
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:57.559
So if you're not super into that, it may be hard to get into,

422
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:03.160
but it it does such a good
job of like capturing the time period

423
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.079
from what I remember, And there's
so many odd little details that are in

424
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:08.880
the game, Like in between missions, you go back to your apartment and

425
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:12.160
you could like you could like open
up your fridge and drink a beer.

426
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.880
You could like grab it, you
could call people up on your phone or

427
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.720
watch TV and stuff like that,
and those would kind of like be in

428
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:23.200
between chapters from what I remember,
and like, I thought the attention to

429
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:27.759
detail was super impressive for that game, considering it wasn't like a big budget

430
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:33.079
GTA game. And then the other
thing I remember, too was that it

431
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.359
does have an open world, but
a lot of the chapters really restrict you

432
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:40.519
and how you can explore that,
Like sometimes you can't just explore wherever you

433
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:44.759
want in order to keep that narrative
very focused, which I liked. The

434
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:47.480
one thing I remember not liking is
that, like when you finished the game,

435
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:48.799
you couldn't just roam the city.
So it was like, Oh,

436
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:53.759
I just finished this game with this
incredible setting, with all these beautiful interiors

437
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.240
and cars and stuff, but I
can't actually go and explore, at least

438
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.079
what I remember. Maybe they patch
that or changed that at some point,

439
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.480
but I think I remember being kind
of frustrated that lets you do that,

440
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.880
If I recall, I remember hearing
that, Yeah, that'd be pretty cool.

441
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.480
Yeah, I don't know. That's
that's all I have to say on

442
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.480
Mafia. I don't know there's anything
you guys want to add. I don't

443
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:20.440
know anything about Mafia except for the
Mafia three booth at E three that year

444
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:28.119
was really cool. Oh yeah.
Remember I remember interviewing the developers from Hanging

445
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.880
thirteen that year and someone from two
K so the very the beginning of Mafia

446
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:37.960
three is a bank robbery that's very, very similar to GT fives And I

447
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:42.960
said that in passing and someone from
two K was like, do not ask

448
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:51.960
about that. I'm like, okay, sor yeah, if I remember that,

449
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:57.079
that's my Mafia story. What I
remember is the title screen played all

450
00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.400
along the watch tower and I was
like, hell, yeah, that was

451
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:05.119
coolcy And I like that song for
specific reason. I love that game setting,

452
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.519
that game setting. I would like
to go back and finish it,

453
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.880
because I didn't finish it because I
kind of got bored of the side stuff.

454
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:15.519
But like, I love that game
setup is so good and and like

455
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:20.079
that game setting, and like the
had like that documentary style like kind of

456
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.880
framing, and I thought that.
I thought that stuff was so cool and

457
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:27.680
so well done. The acting was
like phenomenal. Yeah, it was really

458
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.359
good, and but I mean for
me, it was just the it was

459
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.799
a hot mass and glitches. Yeah, like, well, hopefully this collection's

460
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:40.680
better. Fingers crossed. Next thing
we have here is Unreal five PS five

461
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:46.279
Tech them we finally got that PS
five game play for a game that doesn't

462
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:51.640
exist. Yeah, I didn't watch
the whole thing, but I'm not sure

463
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.880
how much you guys saw. I
watched the tech demo. It looks beautiful,

464
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:58.359
did you see. So obviously they
were like, oh, this is

465
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:01.200
on PS five, and Aaron Greenberg
was like, or I think Phil Spencer,

466
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:07.319
both of them were like, we're
using Unreal five two. Unreal yeah,

467
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.679
Unreal five two because they're using it
for a hell Blade that's what hell

468
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:15.280
Blades being made in. And so
kind of felt a verity bad for Xbox

469
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:22.159
after last week's Did Sony just like
make a deal to like have them emphasize

470
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.280
that it was on a PS four
dev kit? Was that what it was?

471
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:30.000
Because because in the interview afterwards,
like they were saying like, oh,

472
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.920
yeah, like you know, Unreal
two or the Unreal five engine runs

473
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.920
on every platform and it'll look great
on anything and bobble you know that.

474
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:42.360
I mean, honestly, this is
my least favorite part of new consoles launching

475
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:47.559
is like the I would you would
kind of call it pettiness of like who's

476
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:53.239
going to reveal on whose? Yeah? And then yeah, but the TECHTI

477
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:58.280
business pettiness the business partners. But
it's like the tech tema looked incredible.

478
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:07.400
I think everyone going nuts over the
triangles. I think that stuff is legitimately

479
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.920
really cool. Like they were kind
of talking about it where they were saying

480
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.559
how like the statue was like a
model that they took straight out of Zebrush

481
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:22.440
and just put into the game without
having to like do the usual like uh,

482
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.119
you know work that they have to
do to like compress you know,

483
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:29.639
like textures and like to get that
model actually like playable in the game.

484
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:30.760
And so then they were like,
oh, yeah, we can do that,

485
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:32.480
and I was like, wow,
that's crazy, Like how is that

486
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:36.280
not taking the frame rate? And
then they were like and this room has

487
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:42.719
five hundred of those? And I
was like, how like I legitimately want

488
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.000
I was kind of bummed that.
I know, it's like because the tech

489
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.360
is still years out, so they
probably don't want to dive too deep into

490
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:52.519
their like secrets, but I really
wished instead of like a like a just

491
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:54.639
a straight up interview with Jeff Keeley, I wanted like a GDC like Ted

492
00:35:54.719 --> 00:36:00.360
talk like explain to me how this
works, because it sounds like mad Jack

493
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:02.760
and it's supposed to. Like if
that stuff is true, which I imagine

494
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:07.639
it is, I assume they wouldn't
lie about it. Like that is going

495
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:09.440
to be not only good for like
your games are gonna look good, but

496
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:15.639
that is going to streamline like the
production for like game artists like tenfold.

497
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:20.519
Like that is going to be huge
for videocisms. I mean, Tim Sweeney

498
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.039
was like load screens or a thing
in the past. That's like the huge

499
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:28.639
big they still had. She still
had to crawl through that little squeeze through.

500
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.960
She had a squeeze through. I
think that's the one thing about that

501
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.639
tech demo is like the flying at
the end was cool, but for the

502
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:43.440
most part it was like very like
expected game play, Like you're not showing

503
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:46.760
me like cool new gameplay things you
can do with like hardware. It was

504
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.920
just more that it looked really pretty. Yeah. I think the other really

505
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:54.639
cool thing that I don't know people
didn't really comment until I think like after

506
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:59.280
the fact, when more people realize
that they've done it, was the epic

507
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:04.199
could now say that. So for
indies, if or for anyone really it's

508
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:08.159
like if you use Unreal Engine when
you hit three thousand dollars in a quarter,

509
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:10.800
then you have to pay them five
percent to use the engine. Right

510
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.800
now, they've changed that so you
don't have to pay anything to Epic until

511
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:21.000
you've grossed a million dollars and that's
not within a certain timeframe. It's like

512
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:24.920
it's until you earn a million dollars
and then you pay the royalties. And

513
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:30.880
they've backdated that to January first from
this year. That's a massive It's really

514
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:35.400
cool. That's cool. I thought
it was interesting to how they were talking

515
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:40.000
about how Unreal Engine has been is
being used in movies and they're creating Unreal

516
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:45.639
five in order to leverage that as
well, because they use it in Mandalorian.

517
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:46.800
Right, But now they're like,
Okay, this is a thing that

518
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.639
this could become more common, like
filmmakers might actually consider using Unreal Engine for

519
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:58.079
scenes and whatnot, Like maybe we
should, I don't know, create a

520
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.559
version of this that let's filmmakers also
go to town, which I think is

521
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:08.039
pretty neat. It's definitely broad thinking, I guess, yeah, oh sorry,

522
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:09.760
yeah, oh, I was gonna
say, I wonder what it will

523
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:15.800
mean for Unity though, because like
in terms of competitive pricing for engines,

524
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:21.440
right, yeah, I imagine Unity
will still have its its place. It's

525
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.119
space. But yeah, you're right, the whole like not paying royalties thing

526
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:30.760
is is that's pretty huge. Anyway, next thing we got here is Tony

527
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:35.000
Hawk's pro Skater one and two getting
a remaster. I had to include this

528
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.800
one. I'm excited for this.
Can we talk about the way that Tony

529
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:45.480
Hawk leaked his own game via text
message? Yeah? Yeah, I am

530
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:51.880
fully obsessed with Tony Hawk's social media
presence. Yeah, just public presence.

531
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:58.800
I hope can people continue to not
recognize him because of my favorite tweets?

532
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.800
What was the one where he was
in Kat's Delhi in New York and someone

533
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:08.320
was like, oh, you look
just like that guy. That is me.

534
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:15.920
I liked the one where uh she
he was on an airplane and a

535
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:17.679
girl asked him, are you Tony
Hawk and he said yes and she said

536
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:27.679
why. What was the same one
where he was carrying a skateboard and someone

537
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:34.199
said, who do you think you
are? Tony Hawk? Yes? So

538
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:39.519
anyway, I really hope that this
Tony Hawk resurgence doesn't reduce the number of

539
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:45.880
tweets like that that we get.
But I am excited, especially for the

540
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:51.280
I hope the soundtracks are are still
I think it's like they said, a

541
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.119
lot of it is going to be
the same, but I think some songs

542
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:58.599
aren't gonna make it. I imagine
there's there's got to be some changes to

543
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:02.559
like licensing and stuff. But I
mean Goldfinger is still on there, so

544
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.880
I was like waiting for the trailer, like the music to switch to Goldfinger

545
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.400
like part way through, just to
like really give you that like oh fuck

546
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.960
yeah at the end. But like
I ad into it. But now that's

547
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:19.440
stilling because they did that live concert
of Superman. Oh they did yeah,

548
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.719
yeah, they did it live of
a like Zoom or something. That's was

549
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.400
like, oh, that's weird,
and then it will kind of makes sense.

550
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.400
All right. Did you see Skate
three was trending that or Skate four

551
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:34.679
was trending that day too well,
because it was the tenth anniverse you of

552
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.840
Skate three on Monday? Oh really
Yeah, A lot of people were just

553
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:40.920
being like, all right, well, maybe Tony Hawk's remaster will be so

554
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.400
popular that EA will be like,
Okay, it's time to make Skate four.

555
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:54.400
No, I don't think so.
Yeah, Like I was gonna say,

556
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:59.079
wasn't there a thing recently where there
was like a there's a skater who

557
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:02.679
was who was saying how he like
was in an EA call where they wanted

558
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:06.840
him to like do a thing for
skate but it was going to be like

559
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.400
a mobile game, and he'd like
told him like no, like he I

560
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:13.880
think he said was like nobody wants
a fucking skate mobile game. It was

561
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.760
like what he said it was because
didn't he. I think they went off

562
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:23.119
online about like EA execs and following
the money and stuff, and then Tony

563
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:30.760
Hawk comes out. It's like boom, going to Reminster. I was gonna

564
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.559
see that story from a while ago
about Tony Hawk meeting with an Activision exec

565
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.320
and he didn't realize how successful his
games were and they said they were going

566
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:43.280
to make another one. We'll give
you a down payment, and then they

567
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:47.440
just gave him like five million dollars
or something. It was something incredible like

568
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:51.880
that. Is this like really early, like like I think it was.

569
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.760
I think so maybe after the first
or second game. I need to look

570
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.400
up the story. I remember reading
it or hearing a while ago, and

571
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:05.599
he I just had like lunch with
a game exact and just went here you

572
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:08.039
go. So I don't know if
you guys saw, but Jack Black's YouTube

573
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:14.960
channel Jablinsky got the exclusive. They
got the exclusive on Tony hawks pro Skater

574
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.880
one and to remaster, and like
they probably play the game for like I

575
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:22.480
don't know fifteen percent of the video
and the rest it's just Jack Black asking

576
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.679
Tony Hawk and all these other skaters
how to skateboard. And if he's doing

577
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.239
kick flips, right, it's pretty
good. Like I was like, all

578
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:32.679
right, I'm not gonna watch fifteen
minutes of Tony Hawk's pro Skater one remaster

579
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:36.559
game play and I click in and
it's mostly just Jack Black being Jack Black.

580
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:43.400
It's it's pretty good. The thing
is, how do we get Jack

581
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.000
Black to do things with games fun? I know, I know, right,

582
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:53.400
I worship him the charity stream games. I would do anything to meet

583
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:59.760
Jack Black. Oh my god,
my icon. Maybe we asked you,

584
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.320
you got to get in touch with
Tim Schaeffer to put us in touch with

585
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:09.360
Jack Black and then or we get
Tony Hawk on like six degrees of separation.

586
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:14.119
We can do it. We absolutely
can, Like, oh yeah,

587
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:19.719
we can easily get in touch with
Tim Schaeffer. I think it could be

588
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.840
doable. Well, yeah, let
me look into this. This is a

589
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:30.599
great planning meeting for I'm Jack Black. I'm helping plan the charity stream,

590
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:37.559
so I'm just giving myself extra work. I just I'm really interested to hear

591
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:44.719
what he has to say about rock
music and skateboarding. I want him.

592
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.679
I want to do a cast table
read of School of Rock with him.

593
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:54.000
That would be incredible stream of that. I found the basis girl on TikTok

594
00:43:54.280 --> 00:44:00.440
me too, yeah, because it
was like, oh you, what was

595
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:04.679
it you were child actor or something, and then she does the face I

596
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:10.039
don't like. TikTok is great guys. Yeah, so I would love to

597
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:14.880
do a table read where it's just
you and me doing the whole movie without

598
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.280
we don't need to script, and
they're just watching you do it like they're

599
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:23.280
just like featuring me taking a break
to cry about how much I love Stevie

600
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:30.880
Nicks. Going back to the movie. So anyway, Tony Hawk, Tony

601
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:37.280
Hawk and Jack Black, you know, speaking really quickly about famous people from

602
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.920
our childhood and their tweets. You
know, one of my favorite tweets of

603
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:49.039
all time has got to be Shaquille
O'Neal tweeting at Nottsbury Farm and my Butt's

604
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.199
too big to fit on the seats
and the seats on the rides. Ah,

605
00:44:53.320 --> 00:45:00.559
that's me yelling that tweet when when
you said is so good people from

606
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.920
my childhood tweeting, I was like, oh, are we going to talk

607
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:12.519
about Brian Adams now? First of
all, someone replied to his let's face

608
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:22.800
it weird slightly racially tinged tirade about
coronavirus with more like crying Adams am I

609
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:28.920
right, which was just fantastic,
but also grow the fuck up Brian Adams,

610
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:36.119
Like people are dying, No one
cares about your royal albert Hole residency.

611
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.639
And I say this because I used
to bloody love Brian Adams, and

612
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:43.559
I mean, like it's still like
his music, but it sucks that he's

613
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:49.199
become a shitty person. You hate
to see it. I hate see it.

614
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:52.280
Well, anyway, let's move on
to listener questions. If you have

615
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:57.280
any questions, you can email us
email us at after Dark podcast at GameSpot

616
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.480
dot com, or you can join
our discord server by dm dming one of

617
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:04.639
us or emailing that email and we
will get you right in there and you

618
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.679
can ask questions right from there.
And this week every question we have is

619
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:13.599
from the discord anyway, Kelly,
do you want to read the first one?

620
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:19.760
Sure? This is from Chase MM
eighteen on Discord. First off,

621
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:22.960
love you guys. As far as
I'm concerned you guys in this podcast or

622
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:27.000
the care to COVID nineteen. Legally, I have to say that we are

623
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:30.480
not the cure to COVID nineteen.
That we appreciate that. I was curious,

624
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:36.880
as someone who loves modern games nearly
namely sky God, namely Skyrim,

625
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:39.719
I was curious if any of you
guys ever got into playing games with mods.

626
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:43.559
If so, what are your favorite
ones? Thank you so much for

627
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:45.039
giving me something to look forward to
each week. You guys are the best

628
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:51.320
friends I've never met. Ha ha, thank you, thank you so sweet.

629
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:57.639
I've messed around with mods quite a
bit, actually mostly with Skyrim,

630
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.800
but I've done some with Oblivion,
and recently I've been messed tarning with some

631
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.039
Red Dead mods, and I've messed
oround some which or three mods as well.

632
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:07.159
I guess it depends on the game. Like Skyrim has some great mods

633
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.519
because that, like so many people
are familiar with that game, the tool

634
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:15.800
is open and easy, well relatively
easy to use. Some of like the

635
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:21.320
land Mass mods, I think are
really good. I would definitely definitely do

636
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:24.440
the Bruma mod if you haven't done
it yet. For Skyrim. It's like

637
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:30.880
a small contained story which takes place
south of Skyrim technically, and you go

638
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.239
through like you have to go through
like border border control, and you go

639
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:39.119
down to Sirah Dill and you complete
some quests and Bruma. Unfortunately, the

640
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:44.599
story isn't done yet. They're gonna
that's gonna be looped into the full mod

641
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:50.239
that's coming who knows when. But
it's really neat, especially if you've played

642
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:53.320
Oblivion back in the day, you'll
definitely really enjoy that. I highly recommend

643
00:47:53.400 --> 00:48:00.639
checking that out video on Skyram mods. Did I've done a couple actually,

644
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:06.039
some like quality of life ones?
I really like. There's one. I

645
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:13.320
think it's called I I've just got
I've got so many things I want to

646
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:19.480
talk about here. I would.
I think it's called a new Start,

647
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:24.599
which always makes me think of the
only good joke from season four, probably

648
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.679
one of the few good jokes from
season four, but basically, let's you

649
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.800
start a new game in Skyrim,
uh in any way you want, Like

650
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:35.760
you can say I want to be
a homeowner or I want to be somebody

651
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.400
who just arrived on the boat,
which is pretty nice. I'm sure a

652
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:42.920
lot of these you may be familiar
with, but those are my favorites for

653
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:46.119
Skyrim. For for Whitcher, it's
all just quality of life mods I feel

654
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:51.440
like, or camera mods because there's
no actual like photo mode in that game.

655
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.639
So I downloaded a camera mod which
lets me, you know, come

656
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:59.119
up with my own framing and get
Garrold out of the shot. If I

657
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.719
want to get like a Lance gap
shot or something like that, take duar

658
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:07.920
photos of Garrel in the bath.
I got plenty of those. I don't

659
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:14.360
need more. That's like you with
your Tifa photos, Lucy. I am

660
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:19.079
not even kidding, I said as
a joke. And I looked at my

661
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.719
camera, well my capture gallery,
and there are so many pictures of Tifa.

662
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:27.000
I love her. I need that
game to have photo mode, seriously.

663
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.880
Oh god. Yeah, they gotta
add that at some point, right

664
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:34.440
because fifteen had it, didn't it. I think they added it eventually though.

665
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.760
Yeah. Just before before we move
on, I just want to say,

666
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:44.840
Jake does do really cool videos on
modern communities and like large scale mods.

667
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:50.440
I've done you one about sky Blivion
which I think is the best video

668
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.920
I've ever made. And then I
did one on Beyond Skyrim which covers Bruma,

669
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:59.599
and then I did one on Fallout
New or fall Out Cascadian Fallout my

670
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:05.920
am so, yeah, be sure
to check those out. I used to

671
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:09.519
now that we're done embarrassing. Jake
used to be on Skyrim mods, which

672
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:13.960
is the top five Scyra mods the
week that we see. Yeah, but

673
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.559
I personally never played Skyram on PC, so I would watch Step and Cam

674
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:22.039
put super cool mods on it every
week. The only game that I ever

675
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:27.920
really played with mods now is OG
Mass Effect. I got it in Steam

676
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:30.639
and so if you get the HD
texture pack, which is amazing. But

677
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:34.599
also there is a mod specifically just
for cutting the weight times, the load

678
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:38.039
times when you're in elevators. Isn't
there a mod for controllers support too,

679
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:44.480
because yeah, it doesn't support controllers. Mass and keyboard. I downloaded that

680
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:46.480
pretty quickly. I was like,
yeah, I don't play Mass Effect of

681
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:53.840
the keyboard. Yeah, because especially
the original game is it's it takes some

682
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:57.760
getting used to. I can't you
even imagine what that'd be like on mass

683
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.639
and keyboard. It's weight I actually
I think the original is better on mouse

684
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:05.000
and keyboard, but maybe it's just
because that game actually runs better on PC

685
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.840
yeah than the Xbox version. Yeah, I was playing on backwards compatibility while

686
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:15.039
ago, and yeah, the texture
pop in is quite severe, so I

687
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:19.719
played on PC. Yeah. I
wonder how much work they're going to do

688
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.440
on the switch versions of Mass Effects
one, two, and three, which

689
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:29.559
are coming. I hope. I
don't think it's going to be would.

690
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:35.960
I just want them to remaster those
freaking games. And the thing is is,

691
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.920
like, if they do remaster it, i'd want it to be the

692
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:45.519
PS four one PC stuff because five, Yeah, I want that game to

693
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:52.519
look hot as as hot as it
possibly can, and like, yeah,

694
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:57.320
I would love it on the go, don't get me wrong, But admittedly

695
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.760
right now, I'm not going anywhere. We've talked about it before. But

696
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:05.840
like, if they do it,
I hope that they make it all cohesive,

697
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:09.559
Like you're not switching games when you
finish one, you're just going straight

698
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:14.159
to two, straight to three.
I imagine that would be very tough to

699
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:17.920
do, especially considering the jump between
one and two. Like, I feel

700
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:22.519
like they'd have to rework and rebalance
all of Mass Effect one. But I

701
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:24.400
mean to be fair, like that
game is so beloved, like of all

702
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:28.440
the games that I feel like could
actually I should not talk too much about

703
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:31.960
this because we have a question about
remasters and whatnot. But one more thing

704
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:36.559
I do want to say about mods
is that I'm very excited to see what

705
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:40.280
people do with Cyberpunk when that comes
out. In terms of moding, the

706
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:45.599
weird thing is is that because there's
already nudity built into the game, what

707
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:52.320
are all the people who make nude
mods gonna do? Fembot That's what I

708
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:55.760
want to be. That was always
the guns for boobs, That's what I

709
00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:00.960
want. The weirdest mods, and
and like the Nexus for like Skyron,

710
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:07.039
we're always like clean faces and like
yeah, like like kids like anime girls

711
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:12.800
and like give give them like Final
Fantasy like lightning hair, your hair.

712
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:19.119
Yeah, but also like the like
Black Desert Online levels just intense exactly.

713
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:23.639
Yes, Yeah, there's some wild
shit for Skyrim. I didn't like those

714
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:29.239
because they just know I hated,
like, I'm going to be the only

715
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:30.719
one he looks like this, and
all the other characters gonna look like rugged

716
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:36.679
like Nord characters. Like the best
mods were always the ones that like we're

717
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:38.880
trying to be very lower appropriate.
Like there were people who made like weapons

718
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:43.559
that were like lore appropriate, and
they would like actually add them to like

719
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.639
the loot pool, so like you'd
find them naturally as opposed to just like

720
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:50.000
you turn in the game and now
you're like, cool, now I got

721
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:53.800
this like really powerful swords. Like
I I always loved mods like that that

722
00:53:53.960 --> 00:54:00.400
like enhanced the game. Like I
was really into Fallow New Vegas. Mods

723
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:04.320
that's just like made that game like
more intense. I think, like me

724
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.400
and Michael have talked about that before
about how like we yeah, like mods

725
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:10.239
that like changed the time of day
or like at all these like weather effect

726
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:19.239
filters and stuff like that. I
don't often play games with mods because I

727
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:25.079
like, I'm so used to reviewing
games just as they are, and that

728
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:30.880
like I don't want to confuse myself
by playing with mods and then forgetting what

729
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:35.280
was modern. Obviously, I wouldn't
be able to play mods for a game

730
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:37.800
that I got in advance, But
I'm just so used to like giving myself

731
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:42.639
the pure experience of a game to
prep for a review that I have a

732
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:50.199
really hard time installing mods because I
feel like I'm gonna forget what's real and

733
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:54.599
what's not. But I will say
one mod that I really really like is

734
00:54:54.760 --> 00:55:00.800
the better Pigs mod for Starting Valley, because everything in that game is like

735
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:06.840
night Like you know, it's like
pleasant, but the pigs are super ugly

736
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:13.880
and there's a mod that makes them
cuter and I installed that shit a SAP,

737
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:15.800
So when I play on Switch now, I'm like, I can't even

738
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:21.320
own pigs, Like what is this? Yeah, it's weird because I like

739
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:24.159
a game like skyrimer Oblivion like that
seems fine, Like I don't mind modding

740
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:28.920
that, but a game like Red
Dead Redemption. When I was checking out

741
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:30.559
the mods, it's like, I
don't really want to any of these mods,

742
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:34.159
Like I don't I feel like the
game doesn't need this. And same

743
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.199
with Witcher to an extent, that's
always saying like the only mods I got

744
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:40.320
where camera stuff because I didn't want
to, like I don't know, I

745
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:44.840
don't want to like change the way
characters look, or like change the loot

746
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.519
system or anything like that. Although
there is a mod for the Witcher three

747
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:52.079
that was created by one of the
developers at Sea Project Right that rebalances the

748
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:55.760
game to make it tougher I think, which which is interesting and one that

749
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:59.519
I've been planning on trying but I
haven't done it. Yeah, I was

750
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.719
gonna say, like, like game, whenever I want to go back and

751
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.000
play a game, there's that part
of me that wants to experience, like

752
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:10.920
I want to like recapture my nostalgia
or like compare my nostalgia to when I

753
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:15.519
played it. So the idea of
like putting on a mod feels weird sometimes,

754
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:19.840
where like I specifically want to play
that original version and modding it kind

755
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:24.280
of feels odd. Like I prefer
like like a like a full conversion mode

756
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:27.559
or something that adds it. Like
I think I've got really into like portal

757
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:31.119
mods because people would just build like
brand new like levels for Portal and like

758
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:35.440
that's cool because it's like that original
experience is still the same. You're just

759
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:39.360
adding like new levels for me to
play. I will say my favorite mod

760
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:45.079
of all time is somebody who moded
They replaced all of the sound files and

761
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:51.400
Half Life two with them making all
the noises. So it's just so I

762
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:58.039
specifically remember the gun boat, so
it's like the guy being like of like

763
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:01.440
the boat sound and then like the
water like and then like the gun being

764
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:06.280
like like all of these are playing
at once, and I'm just like,

765
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:08.760
this is the There's a really good
video of it. That's art. You

766
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:15.360
should go check out. It's amazing. That is art. Uh. Next

767
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:17.639
question we have here. The PS
two Xbox one game Keep had some wild

768
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:21.880
games that have never been seen again, like Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg,

769
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:25.079
Sega Soccer Slam, and Psyops that
were never seen again. Which game

770
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:29.000
from this air would you like to
see remade or given a sequel? This

771
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:35.639
is from Jacob McCourt on Discord.
Did anyone play Blanks the time cat that

772
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:39.599
got a sequel? Though there's a
second one? Oh shit, no one

773
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:50.960
played it? Do they still make
it? Clonoa Clonoah? I believe they

774
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.199
do. That was a game that
I like had on the PS two.

775
00:57:54.920 --> 00:58:00.119
I think they made like a wee
one. Yeah, but I never like

776
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:02.559
followed it, And like you can
tell how little I follow it because I

777
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:07.599
don't know how to pronounce it because
I'm just like colon No, I can

778
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.440
imagine it written down. But that's
maybe the only one from that time.

779
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:15.119
Oh do you remember air Blade?
No? That was on a PS two

780
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:19.679
demo disc and I remember just playing
the shit out of it. I think

781
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.440
it got released and I don't think
anyone else ever did anything with it.

782
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:24.079
But it was basically like a skateboarding
game, but you're on a horf a

783
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:28.840
craft like a hoverboard. Oh I
think I played this. Wait? Is

784
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:31.079
that the one with the eye toy? No? No, no, no,

785
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:37.599
no, okay, super early PS
two and you would just go around

786
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:40.360
and smash through billboards and do tricks
and stuff. I'm gonna look this up

787
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:46.760
because I feel it was I think
it was called air Blade. Did they

788
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:54.199
blade Blade? That's how they can
bring it back. You get that product

789
00:58:54.239 --> 00:59:04.079
placement see results about video game,
but it's mostly just the blade. I

790
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:07.480
feel like they've remade Simpson's Hit and
Run, but I might have imagined that.

791
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:10.599
Is that the one? No,
I think that's the one everyone keeps

792
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:16.679
wanting people to remake. There's one
Simon favorite I love fantastic. It must

793
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:22.719
be Hit Run because every time they
like say something about like Simpsons and video

794
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:24.559
games, everyone's always like they got
to do a remake is like Hit and

795
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:28.519
Run, And then it always turns
out to be like a mobile update to

796
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:30.920
like that one mobile game or whatever. Yeah, so there was road Rage

797
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.960
and there was Hit and Run.
I'm not liking road rage a lot,

798
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.320
but hit and Run I thought it
was great. Air Blade was made by

799
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:45.599
Criterion. Oh really who also may
burn Out and e Speed Speaking of dead

800
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:51.719
franchises bringing out Burnout. Yeah,
you know what I played a lot of

801
00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:57.599
on the PS two was at home
DDR with a DDR mat. I would

802
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:04.039
play it with control. How do
you do like the doubles with a controller?

803
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:12.079
On the defense? Oh my god? Oh yeah, I had EyeToy

804
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:15.119
was great. Me and my friends
spent a lot of time on EyeToy.

805
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:19.800
But I feel like they did that
for PS. Was there an EyeToy for

806
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:23.239
PS three? And then it just
vanished and then I guess was sort of

807
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:27.639
it, but not as they had
a camera. I don't know if they

808
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:30.840
had an EyeToy specific thing. Yeah, that was a big deal for me

809
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:36.679
and my friends. Ready for that
Fusion Friends, Well, I guess there

810
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:38.599
was a Fusion Frenzy two. There
was one. There was a second one.

811
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:43.599
I remember it not being very good
and just going back to playing Fusion

812
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:46.599
Frenzy one. I feel like this
is cheating or like it doesn't count because

813
01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:51.880
it's Star Wars related, but I've
always wanted a sequel to Republic Commando.

814
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:55.480
It's like one of my favorite war
games. There are so many good Star

815
01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:01.519
Wars games from the bat era of
consoles. Oh yeah, god Og bettle

816
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:07.559
Front one and two. They added
online multiplayer support to OG Battlefront on Steam.

817
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:12.480
Really yeah, that's part of Star
Wars Day, which is cool.

818
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:15.360
I went on and it was only
like ten people playing, but I was

819
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:17.199
like, yeah, like, let's
go. I think I stopped too.

820
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:25.000
That sounds good. Final question here, Lucy, do you want to take

821
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:30.679
this one? Yeah? It's from
Fogie Bear. My roommates have just gone

822
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:32.920
to take the dog out. Uh
Fogie Bear and Discord. What are some

823
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:37.280
video game mechanics slash trends that you
are personally over and or not interested in?

824
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:42.039
Me personally, I'm tired of games
being open world. Prime example,

825
01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:45.519
Gives of War five had a really
strong beginning that was linear like the older

826
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:47.440
games. Then in the middle it
went open world and the game fell apart.

827
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:51.400
In my opinion, we didn't do
this last week, did we?

828
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:54.239
No? I think I put it
on, but I think we scared.

829
01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:57.840
I don't think we got to it. Okay, yeah, good good.

830
01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:07.760
I would say, like detective Mode. I think I'm a bit over detective

831
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:13.480
Modes Batman like Scanning too or yeah, like because if you think about it,

832
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:16.159
it was I think it's used well
in Batman. It makes sense,

833
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:21.480
but you know, seeing it an
assassin's creed to an extent. It's in

834
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:25.119
Last of Us, it's in You've
Got Witcher Senses, Day's Gone, Day's

835
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:30.599
Gone. Every game has it now, and sometimes I think it's just so

836
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:36.239
that it's a failsafe so a play
it doesn't get lost, which I get.

837
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:39.719
I guess it's it's useful, but
I think I don't know. Sometimes

838
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:45.239
it can become a crutch for missions
that just immediately don't really interest me that

839
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:47.800
much. I think I think like
the best ever detective mode is in Arkham

840
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:52.239
Origins, where you are basically reconstructing
crime scenes, and they did a really

841
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:57.719
cool job with that, right.
Yeah, it's like a specific mechanic as

842
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:00.159
opposed to just like hitting the button
and you're spending like ninety percent of the

843
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:06.320
game with skeletons versions of people that
you're just saying, yeah, I would

844
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:10.239
also be curious to see like because
I feel like detective modes and a lot

845
01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:13.519
of games, and I think a
lot of the Witcher three right here is

846
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:15.519
where it just like highlights all the
points of interest and you just go and

847
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:22.199
click on them. I think I'd
be more interested if they just made that

848
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:25.199
stuff more obvious You've found them on
your own, right, Like that's something

849
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:29.760
that I guess I think of La
Noir right because that was you just in

850
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:32.280
an area and you're picking things up
and examining that, and I find that

851
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:36.079
more interesting. I get why those
detective modes are there though, because a

852
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:38.280
lot of people hate that. They
just want to like find this stuff and

853
01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:40.519
move on to the next thing.
Yeah, but then it's just kind of

854
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:46.880
like if people hate it, then
yeah, I'd be okay with not seeing

855
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:51.559
those. Yeah. There are a
lot of games I feel like around that

856
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:55.039
era that we're doing, Like I'm
not into games that just have skill trees

857
01:03:55.159 --> 01:04:00.400
for like no reason. Oh yeah. One I remember really add was Mirror's

858
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:04.159
Edge Catalyst. It felt like it
just had a skill tree for the sake

859
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:06.840
of being skill tree, Like you
needed to like unlock the ability to like

860
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:12.679
roll, and you're like why,
Like this doesn't even make sense in the

861
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:15.760
context of like the story, Like
why like she's supposed to be a season

862
01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:19.280
runner. Like it felt like it
was just like adding like skill and locks

863
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:23.159
for the sake of doing it,
and it wasn't really like an easy way

864
01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:27.039
to hide progression or like show progress. Yeah, and I always found that

865
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:33.440
really obnoxious. Same with like adding
stealth into games that don't need stealth,

866
01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:38.559
like like it's just stealth light.
Like I always find it weird when like

867
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:42.800
I rather a game like really like
heavily commit to like being good at stealth

868
01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:45.840
or being good at action or being
good at both. But like it felt

869
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:48.960
like there were there were games that
were like we're gonna try and be stealthy,

870
01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:54.199
but like it didn't really work,
Like the first Evil Within. I

871
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:58.199
remember that game stealth being I was
literally just about say, I remember that

872
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:02.159
being particularly bad and Evil Within two. You yeah, because mechanics twos a

873
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:05.480
bit better, but the stealth mechanics
don't work. Yeah, I remember.

874
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:10.360
I remember this annoying the crap out
of me. If there was an enemy

875
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:12.480
who was lying in the grass,
because there was a ton of them who

876
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:15.920
would lye in the grass and they
would pretend to be dead. But if

877
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:18.880
you triggered a specific point, then
they would come back to life, but

878
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:24.000
there were ways that you could come
up behind them. You couldn't stealth kill

879
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:29.639
them until they triggered. And I
remember that just immediately pissing me off and

880
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:30.840
I was like, I'm not gonna
pay this the rest of this anymore.

881
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:34.239
I had other issues of that game, but I remember that one. I

882
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:36.880
like that game a lot actually as
somebody who didn't like the first, but

883
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:41.599
yeah that yeah, yeah, I
agree. I remember Evil even Evil within

884
01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:44.360
one. I remember that also had
like a Skille tree and like all like

885
01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:46.599
a crafting system that's just like I
don't need this. I don't need all

886
01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:51.920
this like in a game like just
because like I don't know it. Yeah,

887
01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:56.239
a lot of systems that don't feel
like they need to be in there.

888
01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:00.519
Yeah, I mean to that Gears
of War Point, I get it,

889
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:04.760
but it wasn't really open world because
it was still like you have to

890
01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:12.320
just go here and there's like kind
of mini missions. Is I think a

891
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:17.159
big problem. I think Assassin's Creed
Origins and Odyssey had the open world issue

892
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:21.760
of it being too big and there
was just like content that was there.

893
01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:27.719
It didn't feel meaningful. Competitive.
I mean, Wicher being the other side

894
01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:32.039
of that coin, where it's every
side question, which I felt interesting and

895
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:40.079
like feeding into something. There's a
there's a tass a coin to your when

896
01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:43.400
which and coin is in the same
sentence, That's immediately where my brain goes.

897
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:46.400
I mean, the big one for
me. Jean Luke kind I already

898
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:49.920
said I was gonna say skilled trees
like that was one of my problems with

899
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:54.280
Odyssey. I feel like it was
just like a lot of unnecessary skilled trees.

900
01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:59.960
I guess the other things when games
make you walk through certain sections,

901
01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:01.559
like you're just in an area and
now it's like, all right, now

902
01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:06.440
you need to walk to appreciate Marcus
Phoenix putting is his ear to mode.

903
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:15.159
Yeah, Actually, when you have
to accompany an NPC and you're running and

904
01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:18.880
they don't run either at the same
speed or fast enough. Fine seven remake

905
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:23.159
had that. Don't think I didn't
know if square, Yeah, that's what

906
01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:26.320
I was thinking. I'm thinking that
is that is especially bad on when you're

907
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:28.480
playing on mouse and keyboard, because
on controler you can like, okay,

908
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:30.960
I'll just have to like lightly feather
the stick, and it kind of sucks

909
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:34.440
mouse and keyboard like you can't do
that, so you're just like tap stop

910
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:41.800
tap, yeah, stop tap super
nice, I would say, for me,

911
01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:49.039
photo realism. I don't think in
most cases photorealism, Like I think

912
01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:54.880
there's like a tweet I think about
like how we've kind of hit the ceiling

913
01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:59.960
for like what increased photo realism adds
to the experience of playing a game versus

914
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:04.880
is what it costs to do that. And there's like I really value unique

915
01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:15.719
art style or like distinctive art style
over photo realism, and I think I'm

916
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:20.239
just kind of tired of I would
also like, m oh no, no,

917
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:25.239
continue to saying sorry, Oh,
I just I've never been super like

918
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:30.439
invested in the the graphical fidelity of
something anyway, So that's probably just me.

919
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:34.560
I was just going to add to
that that like on top of that,

920
01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:41.000
I find that sometimes that graphical fidelity
comes up the cost of other things

921
01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:43.760
that could have made the game better. So like an example that is is

922
01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:48.079
Halo five, like was pushing for
sixty frames a second and like really high

923
01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:56.920
like quality graphics, and because of
that there is a noticeable dip in like

924
01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:00.680
the AI, like the AI in
that game is not as complex, and

925
01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:05.359
then like there's some like kind of
like GDC talks about. They talked about

926
01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:09.760
like kind of the trade offs of
that, and basically it's like that game's

927
01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:15.199
combat ended up suffering because they were
trying to push like a certain presentation fidelity

928
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:18.279
and because of that, the actual
like combat of that game ended up suffering

929
01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:24.399
because of it. Yeah, whatever
happened to like developers really pushing AI.

930
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:28.600
I feel like we don't get that
a whole lot, like really smart enemies,

931
01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:30.800
which is kind of a bummer because
I remember that used to be such

932
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:34.560
a especially on like the Tom Clancy
games. That was always such an important

933
01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:39.239
like point on the box, like
these AI will feel real and now,

934
01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:41.960
like I was playing Breakpoint about a
month or two ago, and it's just

935
01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:45.520
kind of like it's just a shooting
gallery, you know. You just show

936
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:47.960
up, find a high place and
just boot pop them all. I feel

937
01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:56.720
like AI is one of those situations
where, like, like with video editing,

938
01:09:56.880 --> 01:10:00.960
you notice it more when it's bad
than when it's good. Like we've

939
01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:06.079
hit a point where like good AI
isn't impressive anymore because we expect the AI

940
01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:11.039
to have a certain amount of intelligence, and so like it's either like so

941
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:15.119
impressive. I can't believe the AI
can do that, or like this AI

942
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:18.239
really sucks and it's just standing there
or glitching or whatever, but you don't

943
01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:23.319
really notice like the in between of
that. Yeah. Yeah, I still

944
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:27.439
feel like though AI was better in
some of these older games than it is

945
01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:30.880
now. Like I feel like a
lot of developers have just been making games

946
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:32.279
to make it. Like I don't
want to say a lot of developers,

947
01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:36.079
but I feel like game design is
kind of for a while, there was

948
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:40.079
trending in that position where it's like
we want to we want to make you

949
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:42.840
feel like a beast, so we
don't want these enemies to be too smart.

950
01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:45.399
We don't have them to OU's smart
you because you need to be the

951
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:48.880
killing machine here. I also think
game design has its trends, right,

952
01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:55.600
so like different buzzwords, different like
marketing terms, even that you would hear

953
01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:59.640
as the focus of the development,
So like AI used to be that and

954
01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:05.039
now in like the ray tracing era, or like the like super nitty gritty

955
01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:12.479
technical perfections that you can achieve with
modern technology versus like look at how real

956
01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:15.279
it looks ten years ago. You
look at that and you're like, but

957
01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:25.479
we keep evolving with that. Yeah, I just never I mean, I

958
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:31.800
grew up primarily playing either like Nintendo
or like Doom, so neither of those

959
01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:39.720
is particularly realistic looking. So yeah, it's just something that I haven't really

960
01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:44.600
Skyrim. Skyrim is just like it's
from the era. It's from the end

961
01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:49.640
of the era where everything looks like
mud and like people's mouths don't move correctly,

962
01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:54.600
and it is still one of the
most popular games of our memory.

963
01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:59.520
And you know, you can achieve
a lot without having to put so much

964
01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:03.560
because it is a very cost inefficient
thing to do to make a game super

965
01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:12.199
photo realistic. Also, I'm tired. I hate American cutesy esthetic. I

966
01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:16.439
hate the way the Fortnite motherfuckers look. I hate them. I think it's

967
01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:21.119
not five, it's not cute.
I hate that, Like I hate that

968
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:27.319
faux Pixar shit. Yeah, like
dream the dream Works smirk. Yes,

969
01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:31.720
that's horrible, fake fake dream works. I love to do animation, and

970
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:36.439
I don't think everything needs to look
cutesy or like anime. I just think,

971
01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:41.439
like, find a more distinctive art
style, like Disco Elysium has a

972
01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:46.560
very distinctive, beautiful art style that
isn't anime or fake dream works. Right,

973
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:54.239
So that's another thing I hate,
and I'm getting pretty tired of Battle

974
01:12:54.319 --> 01:13:01.479
Royal and Hero Shooters. Yeah,
I would agree. So Baby, the

975
01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:05.399
connection like dropped when I said that, it looked like you all quit the

976
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:15.000
call on it's too far Cally I
offended everybody. Well, anyone tell Tom

977
01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:19.479
what you said. I think that's
as good as place as any to end

978
01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:24.199
this show. Thank you all so
much for tuning in each and every week.

979
01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:29.199
If you want to join our discord, make sure to dm us and

980
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:31.520
we'll get you in there as soon
as we can. And make sure to

981
01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:36.119
stay tuned throughout June because our Play
for All event will start and we're gonna

982
01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:44.279
have a ton of cool stuff.
Jack what's up? Nothing? Oh?

983
01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:51.520
I said, Jack Black will definitely
be there. Don't promise Jack Black anyway.

984
01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:55.119
Lucy, where can people find you? Hi? I'm on Twitter,

985
01:13:55.319 --> 01:14:01.039
on Instagram at Lucy jams Games and
Kelly I'm on Twitter and also on Instagram,

986
01:14:01.119 --> 01:14:04.680
but I barely post there. At
k I n K y d O

987
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:09.760
j I k KO and Angel Luke. You can find me at John luk

988
01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:12.800
Seppi on Twitter. Me and Ben
put out a new Potato mode where we

989
01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:15.960
play Mortal Kombat eleven and it was
a good time. Let's go watch that

990
01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:18.920
and you can find me at jacob
Deck and I have a couple of videos

991
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:24.439
that should be ready for next week. Anyway, we'll see you all next

992
01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:25.399
week. By