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Hey guys, welcome to the Mark
Cast. Read here. Getting on this

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today. Andrew Murray, the professor, will be joining us shortly. He's

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on his way home from professoring.
But I you always like to get the

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stream started. I got a loss
to talk about today, so we'll get

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into all that. Appreciate it.
It's always nice when I log on here.

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We've already got that. We have
a new member joining us, Christina.

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If you ever want to, I
think it's a dollar a month.

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have a lot of exciteing here,
a lot of comments. Already excited to

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get into all this Zach talk and
show me Mike Mitchell. I spent about

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forty minutes this morning talk with Mike, so I feel well prized. I've

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been talking with a lot of coaching
staffs and everything else. Today should be

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a lot to get into. Like
I said, waiting Professor Andrew Murroll,

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get on, We'll dig through everything. Crazy Crazy Week. Really kind of

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debated doing the show this week,
just like this was a really terrible week

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for the Olt football community, and
I almost kind of wanted to name this

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episode, like, you know,
State of the Union, or kind of

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like state of the League just because
you kind of we want it. We

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have players, like we're breaking news
and we're sharing, and we want outside

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you know, out inside the insiders, and and we'll get into all that

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most important thing for me as we
start shout out the Houston Roughnecks, sounds

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like everyone's going to be gone as
sounds like we already had DPPs and everyone

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posting there goodbye on Twitter. I
know Mike Mitchell still reporting and I talked

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with him, like I said this
morning, Supposedly that brand is going to

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remain. I want to get Andrew
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do we keep the rough Neck name, bring in the Gamblers staff and staff

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and players into that. I don't
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ticket holders want. We'd be curious
to see kind of the reception of that.

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But certainly sounds like potentially the rough
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know Mike tweeted that out yesterday as
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lots of staff, you know,
obviously unfortunate here, timing before the holidays

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and all that, so just really
unfortunate to hear so first and foremost wanted

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to make sure we got to all
of that. We'll start getting the comments

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here. Like I said, waiting
for Andrew, I will also just want

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to say, you know, I
wanted to do this today. Run through

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everything we have. You know,
we have leaked emails, we have leaked

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text messages, we have the usfl
PA like dueling press releases. We'll kind

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of get into all of that.
There was like there's a weird thing,

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and I think it was set up
this week where December twenty first, and

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we were gonna have announcements that date. You know, if you if you

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follow me, I never retweeted any
of that, shared any of that.

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That's always probably a pretty good,
you know, temperature check, like is

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re talking about December twenty first.
I know I had a lot of comments

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on my channel like are you gonna
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That came and went. But I
think that the the heightened anticipation around

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that, and I think just people
being off for the holidays led to a

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lot of like angst here on Twitter
this week. I know Scooby kind of

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steamrolled out the beginning posting the the
ufl PA text to their members, which

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interesting to have a text coming out
from the union that has also released in

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statements saying that they're not involved in
the negotiations with the league. So we'll

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dive into that. But I thought
that was curious that we have Scooby's tweet

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or sea I guess it was his
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then the UFLPA comes out last night, and that's really when Andy and I

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felt like we needed to do this
episode. But the UFLPA comes out last

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night and says we were not negotiating
any of this, so how do they

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know what's going on? Curious with
that, we had Jeff Bedett's tweets come

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out. He had sensed to lead
to them. I have screenshots of all

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that. We'll get into that.
And what really kind of annoyed me was

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Mark Thompson, who you know,
God blessed him and stellar player and stand

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out and he was a USB MVP
and all that talking about you know,

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we're out insiding the insiders here and
like I'm coming for all these XFL reporters

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jobs. Generally, the reason why
a lot of leagues like the NFL have

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insiders is players are maybe more keen
to not be releasing public information on their

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own Twitter accounts. Like I said, I noticed that that Jeff had taking

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his down, and I just I
think there's like this weird misconception of like,

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oh, you're all doing this for
the clicks, and you're doing this

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for the views, and Mark,
you know, if you want the dollar

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sixty seven, I'm probably gonna make
off this stream. If you want that

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to kind of out job me,
send me a DM. Have someone to

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reach out to Mark if he is
so concerned about kind of like getting the

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you know, getting the jobs,
and kind of most of these guys,

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I can tell you Andy's waiting by
here, streaming home from work to come

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on and do this show. Like
I said, Mike Mitchell caring for his

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family, talking to me for almost
an hour this morning, Like this is

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not a we're doing this for the
money kind of thing. We're doing this

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because we support you guys, we
support the leagues, we support you know,

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the staff and everything. So I
just wanted to make sure that was

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put out because I thought it was
a very odd take when we're you know,

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we're we're out working the people that
are doing this for free, and

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they're really just trying to spotlight you
guys. So let's bring in Andy here.

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We'll get to some comments. I
have, Andy, like, we

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had probably twenty comments before we logged
on here. Andy, are you done

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professoring for the day. I don't
know if I can hear you. It

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is my volume down. We'll get
Andy's microhbone work. Oh how about now

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there we go. I've been talking
to myself. I didn't know you could

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be an echo chamber, which seems
to be a common thing these days,

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especially in this space. Andy,
how are you doing here? I'll give

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the comments in a minute, but
I need the welfare check because, like

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I said, I really wasn't even
sure we were going to do an episode

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this week. I've really gone back
and forth and the Marx post and stuff

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and the brandness posting stuff and the
past post like, but I felt like,

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especially with the Union stuff last night, there's so many questions. People

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are talking like what does this all
mean? I felt like we had to

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get on here. So how are
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a whirlwind, and honestly, I'm
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as anyone else is. But at
the same time, there's almost a need

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to sort of step back and reserve
myself from actually being a part of the

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entire discourse because it's coming from angles
and we've talked about this, We've chatted

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about this, This information is coming
from multiple different places. I don't know

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if I want to use the word
sources because sources is such a loose term

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these days, and it's really gotten
to a point where it's making the picture

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very muddy and convoluted. So for
me, I mean, it's just a

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matter of just keeping my head screwed
on straight. I don't know how you're

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dealing with it, but for me, I feel that there are times where

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I have to sort of again step
back and not really be so involved in

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the entire process because I don't know
what the process is right now. To

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be honest, Yeah, I can't
imagine. And I've had a lot,

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you know, when we had the
dueling and UFLPA of statements last night,

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and I'm tweeting, and you know, we have a lot of Canadian viewers

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and they're like, you know,
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any of this. If you're a
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right now, if you're a casual
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It just feels messy. Like I
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I'm not blaming the league for the
vitriol this week, where I think this

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was very self induced of like we're
pretending that this is coming this week,

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no one's given any indication anything's coming, and then we're upset about that.

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I do not like how the league
is handling some of these layoffs. I've

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been conversing with one of the refnecks
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and kind of feeling like maybe we
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is coming back or not. I
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the USFL coaches for weeks like,
hey, maybe I could have pursued other

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jobs at this point because we were
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the news. Obviously, Scooby tweeting
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teams, Mike Mitchell, you know, tweeting that out last week or two

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weeks whatever it was time is nebulous. But you know, we were told

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it was business as usual. If
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the merger happens, and spoiler alert, your team's done, so I think

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both sides I can't imagine earnestly going
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this point as the player, coach, or staff, just of how all

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of this has been handled lately.
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bewildering thing is how much it seems
like everybody's left in the dark. You

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know, It's one thing for the
media to be kind of shut out,

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right for people who, as you
mentioned, people who spend their time actively

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looking through not only rosters, not
only coaching staff, conversing with people and

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trying to figure out where everyone stands
on the issue. It's one thing for

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the media to be shut out.
It's another thing for the players of the

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personnel and that people who actually work
in the leagues to be shut outs.

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That's to me the most bizarre part
of this is that everyone is kind of

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being in their own realm of not
I don't want to say like not reality,

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but in terms of like knowing that
just everybody has kind of their own

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knowledge of their own maybe idea of
what's going to happen next, and there's

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no solidified factual background to any of
this that people can really look to,

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and people are kind of going about
it and trying to sort of create their

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own, their own line, their
own like way of figuring out what's going

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to happen next. And to me, I mean, that's just a disservice

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to people who actually work in the
leagues. Again, people who are actually

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involved, so like they should be
the ones that actually know or have at

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least a heads up of what's going
on. But there doesn't even seem to

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be that. There doesn't even seem
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to what's the fate of your team, what's the fate of your your roster

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placement next year, what's the fate
of you know, who is your training

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staff, where you're going to get
you know, your obviously your payments,

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you know. But even like health
insurance, you know, the league's statement

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or the union statement being put out
about you know, hey, maybe there

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needs to be players that use their
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at the end of the year.
There's like there's there's information out there about

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that. And again this is coming
from so many different angles, but it

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just seems to me that it's such
a scramble to figure out what's who's going

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to have what in a matter of
days. I mean, this is the

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thing. It's the calendar turns.
Now we're going to start getting in the

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placements of contracts and who has what
contract with what team, and what's organization

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and we don't even know who's actually
like solidified, who's actually going to be

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all of them. I know there's
a lot of reports out there, but

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again there's nothing set in stone.
And I think that's been a plague of

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a lot of Spring leagues especially,
but to see it happen here, it's

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just it's really bewildering. Yeah,
and what's weird to me is in you

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know, it's one thing when Mike
tweets out, hey, this is what

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I'm hearing, you know, subject
to change, and you always get people

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like, well that's so you keep
your not so you keep your back pocket.

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And then you can say, well, I said, like I would

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rather tweet that out than say subject
to change and say like this is finalize,

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here we go when it's not,
because I think then, and especially

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in this space, the narrative gets
lost at like where any of this stuff

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came from? Right, Like Pro
Football Talk tweeted out hey, there's going

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to be eight teams. They don't
have a source in their article. I

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feel like that is Scooby's tweets that
they you know, that they source that,

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and that's they ran with the story. Now, maybe Pro Football Talk

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has someone else that reached out to
them and said, hey, this is

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what's going on, But it really
feels like, you know, we take

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these tweets and again probably going to
be the case, but sitting there and

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saying, okay, this is a
confirmed detail from the union that is also

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in the same week saying we're not
involved in the negotiating table at all here,

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It's very weird to me, is
that I guess where we want to

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start here? Do we want to
start with the Scooby staff and what'll kind

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of work chronologically through everything? Does
that make sense? That's the only thing

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that's going to make sense at this
point. Read. I think we're going

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to have to. So, you
know, he tweets out here, and

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you know, I like Scooby,
I've reached out, hey do you want

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to come on the podcast? And
maybe I'm I'm mister anti usfl here,

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but this came out, you know, how's it again? A lot of

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this like we're tired of the insiders
and all of your like we're like you

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guys still going to see it?
Like and it kills me now? Is

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with this like getting paid for Twitter
and everything, like the impressions you would

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need to generate on all football staff
to get paid even dollars on your Twitter

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is like, I get, I
promise she was not worth the time that

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you think of this people. But
how's this is? Forsa JABRONI. As

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we're going through all this, we've
been given the confirmation Michigan, Houston,

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Memphis, Birmingham. This goes back. Remember Mike had tweeted out the five

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and three saying that Houston was up
in the air. I've had heard at

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the time Houston was in the air. Now and I said, before you

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logged on, we have Houston Roughnecks
staff saying goodbye. I've been talking to

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Evan and I know he's talking because
that was the team that he covered.

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Feels like, at a minimum,
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Roughnecks staff, and then whether they
keep the Roughnecks name, which seems very

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weird about. I would like to
get your thoughts on, like, how

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do we sell well Houston. It's
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going to have Curtis Johnson and whatever. I don't That to me crimes very

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foul. That to me makes absolutely
no sense. And it's the lack of

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identity that really kind of plagues the
whole idea of transitioning the Houston team.

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Look, and I understand the idea
of getting four USFL teams, four XPL

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teams. We're going to make this
an eighteen league. If you're going to

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downsize, you want to keep it
fair and even right. But here's my

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thing. I think that there needs
to be some sort of accountability for who's

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really pulling their weight here. And
the fact of the matter is the Houston

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Roughnecks have pulled their weight twice in
two different leagues, in two different nerations

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of the XFL. The Gamblers have
not been there since the nineteen eighties,

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and they haven't had any home games
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and they don't have any identity with
the Houston team. I know people are

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going to come after me for that. I don't care. Like people have

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not had the time and energy to
put into a team in Houston in the

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twenty first century. So is a
tiny man driving the go kart around the

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lake that is very upset that you
right now be mad. I don't care.

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Like listen, I understand that people
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Gamblers brand. I think it's cool. I think the uniforms are cool.

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I like the players, I like
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on there. But to then take
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I don't want anyone listening their jobs. Okay, I don't want anybody

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listening to their jobs. I don't
want anybody getting displaced. But to then

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take that and displace a team like
the Roughnecks, who has been there and

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who have not only players but also
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to just displace them and then basically
paint over it and say, well,

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this is this is the new Roughnecks
team. And I get like they've

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had a new rough Next team right
from the last one, but that went

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out of bankruptcy twenty twenty twenty three. It's just that's that's different. I've

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never heard of something like this where
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well, we're gonna keep the name. Here's the whole different team, Like,

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can you imagine another league doing that? That's that's bizarre, that's really

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weird. And if you want to
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if you are trying to just paint
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the same thing, I don't get
it. Like that to me makes no

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sense that I know they're trying to
keep it fair and balanced again, trying

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to keep it four and four,
but like, why should the Roughnecks personnel

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be punished in that case? What's
the sense in that? And to do

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that to someone like Wade Phillips,
who has been in the game for so

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long, I find that personally to
be very disrespectful to him, because I

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think he's put a lot of energy
and time into something that he quite frankly

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doesn't need to. He is a
legend. He has absolutely no reason that

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he has to even stay here,
and to do that to him, I

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think would be a horrible disservice to
him personally and his legacy and everything that

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he's given to Houston and his family
has given the Houston bump. Phillips,

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you know, his father putting in
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I just think it's it's really crooked
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a comment here. If Jacob says
I think I going to bring back Wade

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Phillips, I said, I've heard
as of today Phillips is out. That

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was conversations we had had and I
talked, like I said, with Evan,

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and he had heard similar sentiments.
I know that. To me,

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they're like we heard back in September
a lot of the coaches and staffs were

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put on seasonal contracts and Mike reported
that and then now and at least it

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feels like now, you know,
final layoffs kind of happened. And so

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I said, I think that that's
where a lot of these staff feel maybe

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like they were led astray a little
bit of like, well, we're going

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to bring you back, and then
it's like, well, spoiler, we're

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not now at all. And you
know, potentially, you know, you

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could have went and got college shops
and kind of all that stuff. We

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have a lot and then where was
yg on here? And they never liked

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me too much. But the rough
Necks for now, the us of other

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team, the Gamblers are It's that
simple. The Houston Roughnecks have a non

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zero number of season tickets already sold
in Houston, whether it's at Rice Stadium

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or wherever it's going to be in
Houston to play. The Gamblers have zero

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season tickets sold of any kind.
It's also that simple, and I think

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that they need to look into that
when they're trying to how can we alienate

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less fan bases. But like I
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of rebranding the Gamblers as the rough
Necks and getting rid of a lot of

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the people that made the rough Necks
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and also the coach staffs and that
Houston had an incredible you know,

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and with a J. Smith and
with Wade and all that. Like I

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just I don't think you can get
rid of that. It feels like a

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shell at that point. It's kind
of very odd. Listen. In my

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opinion, I think this just shows
that, Look, people don't understand that

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what happens is when you disillusion a
franchise or disillusion your fans, especially the

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community, they take that personally.
Okay, I know, people, Look,

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I've lost my football team and they
left. Everybody didn't like the ownership

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they left. I know what it's
like to lose your team. But I

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also know what it's like when your
team is being messed with, and you

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mess with the fans and you mess
with their expectations, you also mess with

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their capital that they've invested into the
team. You can't again try to tell

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them and turn around and say,
well, you're buying a ticket to the

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Houston Roughnecks. Look maybe look,
maybe they don't care who's playing. But

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like that seems to me just ingenuous. I wouldn't want to buy a season

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ticket to a certain property and be
told that it's different, or be told

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that everybody's gonna be gone the next
season for seemingly no reason other than there

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needs to be a transition in this
league that's reforming. It's again, it's

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disingenuous, and I think for people
to say that it's that simple to just

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kind of plug and play and just
place in another staff doesn't understand what it's

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like to actually have that happen to
your team, and also to have a

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team in your community be messed with
so just so blatantly. I don't really

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get what this is really going to
accomplish other than they're just gonna keep burning

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bridges. I mean, that's the
thing. They have to be so careful

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about this. You can't just go
burning bridges or saying hey, well sorry,

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we can't bring you back but maybe
next time. What next time?

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Who says there's going to be a
next time? I mean unless the only

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thing that might give me pauses thinking
about players is if they really are desperate

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and they want to stick around and
come back and play. But like you're

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gonna lose somebody, You're gonna lose
some people in this transition. Your idea

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is can you either get them back
or can you get other people into the

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fold after the fact. But again, this is built on trust, and

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it's just kind of to me in
a way of eroding that trust. Gregor

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here here. Gregor is a big
Stallions fan, and we'll talk about the

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Birmingham you know, the Arlington Hub
versus the Birmingham Hub and all of that,

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which we I think, like have
expected for a long time, but

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it still seemed like it made news
this week. It has nothing to do

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with Excel. Gregor wants to know, what do I want? It has

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nothing to do with Xcel versus USFL
when you're already going to be giving up

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season tickets in Vegas season tickets in
Seattle season tickets in Orlando. You need

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to keep markets where you have season
tickets already sold, and so to me,

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it makes sense to placate everybody.
We got to have the four and

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four. But you know, we're
talking like such minute money amounts, but

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it means so much because of the
league and how frugal they're going to be.

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I just can't imagine them refunding those
you know, fifty five hundred or

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whatever season tickets you're gonna have there
and then trying to resell them or retransferring

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people. All right, that to
me, I think you need to knowing

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you're already going to be breaking the
cashman lease. They paid that in cash

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ahead of time. That's kind of
sunt costs. I think you need to

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keep the money where you have it. Into me, just doesn't make sense.

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It doesn't matter what league it is, it matters what the tickets you

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have sold. I mean, that's
the thing they better get refund like that's

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I know, it's not a high
possibility. Maybe I don't know what their

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policy on that is going to be, but that seems, again such a

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disingenuous thing to do to people who've
invested their time and money into something already

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that they already knew was probably like
a temporary property, right Like, I

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mean, realistically read I don't know
about you and your Sea Dragons fans or

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your Philo comrades, but I'm not
sure what their mentality is when they're buying

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merchandise or tickets and thinking, oh, yeah, this league's going to be

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around for so number of years.
I don't know if that's how they think,

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but maybe it's just you know,
maybe it's just a moment in the

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moment kind of thing. But like
everybody goes through it, but at least

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you expect there to be some sort
of continuation of it in some form,

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right, Like that's it's hope.
You're building off hope, and if you're

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taking that away from people, then
financially, I think you have to recompensate

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people or just find a way to
at least say you're sorry. I mean,

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that's the thing, and it just
I think they're really struggling, the

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leagues, both of them are really
struggling with how to go about it.

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I think that's why we just have
really at the end of the day,

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I think that's why we haven't heard
anything because I think they're really afraid to

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get backlash, and eventually you're gonna
have to rip the band aid off because

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news flash, we are three months
away from from the new league starting.

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Well we're yeah, we're less than
a hutherd days. What was it when

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they tweeted out? When it was
the XFL tweeted out the intent whatever it

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was, and they had turned off
the comments on everything. Yeah, we're

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so afraid to backlash on Twitter that
we're turning off the comments and all this

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stuff. I think it was the
merger announcement or one of the close to

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around one of the Yeah, it
was where the teams put out and they

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have the comments turned off on all
that. I will Elizabeth here sand as

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a Seattle fan and like, I
don't to me my my resentment. And

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I tweeted out yesterday just because I
was so frustrated with all of this,

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and I tweeted out, you know, this is how the world ends,

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not with a bang, but with
a whimper, and everyone like, oh,

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you're but heard about the Sea dragons
like that was fun. Like you

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said, we bought in, I
mean originally we bought in in twenty eighteen,

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twenty nineteen, because we thought this
is going to be a car crash

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and we're going to watch this,
you know, with vincrick Man, and

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that's kind of what we thought of, Like, God, even if we

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get to go to one game,
this is gonna be awesome, and the

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next thing you know, you're bought
in all this, Like I'm not.

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I think I went to three Sea
Dragons games this year because of the crack

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and and all that stuff. Like
I'm certainly not tied into that part of

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it. It's more just how all
of this has been handled. That's kind

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of upsetting me about all that.
The other question we have for jakeb but

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we'll start moving to some other news
here. This is good. It's interesting

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talking about Texas and the Houston as
well, like when the Texans now are

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on the upswing, I'll be curious
if this is another similar to like,

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hey, Seattle was a really good
market and then you know, we got

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cracking and the Seahawks all that,
Like then we go back again and it's

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not like if you do this with
Houston, where you pull the rug out

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with these teams and then now we
can watch the Houstons and c. J

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Strouds the face of our community for
the next decade, Like, do I

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need to buy into an all football
team now? If I'm a textan standar

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right now, I'm over the moon. Yeah, that's an interesting argument,

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especially considering where some of these markets
were most successful. Right, So,

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when DC started with the Defenders,
the idea was, well, a lot

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of people were very unhappy with Dan
Snyder and the Washington football team commanders are

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just formally known as Redskins, all
those things, all those iterations. People

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were just upset with because they hated
Dan Snyder and they're like, I don't

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want to spend money on this team. Fair. But now they're under new

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ownership, does that narrative start to
change a little bit? Although it seems

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like DC's doing real in terms of
ticket sales, are doing extremely well still,

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but does that narrative change going forward? Saint Louis, you lost your

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team, you don't have a team. You're upset at Stanon Cronkey. You

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want to basically show it to them
and tell them to stick it with a

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sun don't shine. And that's what
they basically have done. They've shown up

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in drugs and they supported team really
well. Houston as you mentioned, you

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know, the Texans weren't turmoil.
They were really just really down on their

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luck and not operating very efficiently or
in some ways ethically for a while,

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and yet they were able to kind
of pull themselves out by their bootstraps.

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And C. J. Stroud's now
like you know, the second coming of

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slice bread, you know, so
now it's suddenly this is a new thing

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for them. So these markets,
are they able to survive independently whether or

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not the main football team or another
product is doing really really well. Can

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they compete in that market? It
really depends, honestly, Like again,

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it's such a niche thing that you'd
hope that they were able to do enough

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background work that they're able to Again, this is why I think we've talked

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about it, especially stabling sing yourself
in the communities, like you need to

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get grassroots in these communities. You
may not always have the success the team

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success or be the shiny new object, because somebody else is going to come

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along and there's going to be a
new team that suddenly everybody can support.

406
00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:59.759
But can you maintain your brand and
your your identity to the point where you're

407
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.279
able to keep all those people within
your circle and able to build upon that

408
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.720
going forward. So that and that
question has never been answered because these leagues

409
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.359
haven't been around long enough to answer
that question. And so we really are

410
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:15.680
are not sure. DC and Houston
might be the first perhaps examples of seeing,

411
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:19.799
okay, does the narrative change if
the other team across town is starting

412
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:25.599
to finally pull their own weight.
Let's hear a couple more things on the

413
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:27.240
Scooby. He was talking here a
meeting, the final and this is when

414
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:30.759
I kind of knew, like,
we're not getting in any announcements this week,

415
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.000
like coaching meeting, we're finalizing the
Memphis staff. I'm like, they're

416
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:37.200
not announcing any like if they're finalizing
the staff, they're not. But one

417
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:41.880
of the usbl the you have football
media accounts, I think, tweeted out

418
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.400
Philippo is going to be the Memphis
head coach. They're reporting that, which

419
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.599
tracks to me. I mean,
obviously losing the Breakers and he was seemed

420
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:53.920
to be a very popular and successful
coaching that and coach Flip taken over for

421
00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:56.720
for Memphis, right because they lost? Right? Is that all? Am?

422
00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:00.359
I tracking that all correctly? Yeah, because he's moving over and transitioning

423
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:04.000
for Todd Haley and taking over Memphis, and you're right, yeah, John

424
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.839
de Felippo was really well regarded,
especially for the health issues he dealt with

425
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:12.039
and battling through that season, especially
to work through with that team. A

426
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.960
lot of people seem to respect him
a lot after his tenure, and I

427
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.799
did too, So I'm I'm happy
to see him get his shot. I

428
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:21.359
just you know, for the New
Orleans fans, sorry, you're not gonna

429
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.720
get another team. You're not gonna
be able to get that that additional piece.

430
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:26.839
Now it's gonna go back to Memphis, which again had a market.

431
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.960
Is it our breakers? Fran that
was like, I can't wait till we

432
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:40.799
us can't wait till we like loo
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. I mean,

433
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:42.240
look, it's a pipe guys,
I get it. It's a pipe

434
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:45.880
dream. But I mean that's the
thing. There's so many breathe there's so

435
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:51.400
many takes. There's so many like
prediction models that I've seen over the last

436
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:53.319
half not just not just the past
couple of weeks, I mean like the

437
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:57.759
last half year that just were so
erroneous and just completely off base, but

438
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:00.279
like people, I mean, look, I get it, people want to

439
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:06.119
have their Like people want to have
their fantasy. Okay, you want to

440
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:07.960
have your dream of what you're going
to get out of this or what out

441
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.240
of your team. I mean,
look, I'm screaming from a mountaintop almost

442
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.720
every other day being like, boy, I wish San Diego got a team,

443
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:18.000
and you know it's not gonna happen, at least in the foreseeable future.

444
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:21.279
I can pitch for it all I
want, but like, the reality

445
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:25.880
is, people get chosen over other
teams for different reasons, and for a

446
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:29.000
lot of players. I mean,
again, people are losing their teams and

447
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:32.559
that sucks, and you're not going
to have people in the markets that are

448
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:37.240
going to support those teams. So
I get it. But again, if

449
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:40.799
you're gonna feel that way, make
sure you take time out of your day

450
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:44.680
to reflect upon the coaches and the
players and everybody who works in the organizations

451
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:48.519
and see what happens to them too, because again, this is I mean,

452
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:52.440
it's really just pouring water in the
ant farm at the moment. Just

453
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.720
to get onto this before we move
on off with Scooby stuff. So you

454
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:57.839
know, we had talked to him
because like, we get the thing now,

455
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:00.240
Okay, but you know, Pro
Football Talk is reporting that it's going

456
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.240
to be and again I'm not saying
that it's not going to be eight teams,

457
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.440
not saying all this sten I just
like to always keep track of,

458
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:08.400
like where these things come from when
they're things official, things have not been

459
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.559
official. Four teams survive, they
come there, four teams have survived for

460
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.799
if not they combined. I can't
get rid of this there we go.

461
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:18.319
Can't get rid of this video combine
whatever I have associated, I haven't informed

462
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.680
the UFL Players Association, this formed
this member. So like we saw Scooby's

463
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:27.839
text, we're reporting this like again, I like just remembering where all this

464
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.359
came from. And you know,
again this is all probably going to come

465
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.279
to fruition anywhere. But they say
that's funny, how like these reports come

466
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.079
out and no one takes the time
to backtrack, like where did this actually

467
00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:40.680
come from? So to me,
if this is my Florio seeing Scooby's tweets

468
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.960
and then tweeting out hey, or
you know, posting the article like hey,

469
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:47.640
this is happening, well again,
I think that's why people feel emboldened

470
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:49.400
to just say things because they can
get away with it, and they might

471
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:55.200
get clout from somebody else, piggybacking
off of their information, which may not

472
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:59.680
be entirely accurate. Now maybe in
the moment it might be. But again,

473
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.960
we're doing projection models here, and
this is why Mike Mitchell does his

474
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:06.440
reporting, and it also is able
to cover himself to say, like,

475
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:08.799
this is subject to change. There's
things that might not come through because guess

476
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:15.079
what, listen for everybody who wants
to go ahead again and doubt Mike Mitchell.

477
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.359
He communicates with us consistently, and
there are things that he shares with

478
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:25.160
us sometimes that maybe indicate that certain
people may know and some people may not.

479
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.279
Like. Again, there are people
who are in the dark, who

480
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.680
are in their own sources or in
their own organizations that don't know what's going

481
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.000
on. So how in the world
are we going to be able to really

482
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.599
confidently stand here and say, well, based on this, what this has

483
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.160
said, or what this person said, that this is where it's going to

484
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.079
go. I mean, there's people
six months ago saying Saint Louis is going

485
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.519
to host the XFL Championship game in
twenty twenty four. How that work out?

486
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:48.880
How that work out? I mean, that's the thing there's all these

487
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.359
I cannot tell you the number of
tweets that I have saved of people who

488
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.720
have predicted and just outright said something
that was going to happen and now has

489
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:02.200
either been completely just made told,
or is very much in doubt because of

490
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.000
what's going on right now, because
again everything is just so much routed in

491
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.519
the darkness. We have a couple
of Commentsary, they have the Tanner praying

492
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.599
for all the people losing their jobs. Like I said, I started off

493
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.000
to show that to me, is
the most important paramount about anything else.

494
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:22.119
Jenna. Everyone's welcome to be a
Renegades fan. Jenna is always I get

495
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:23.960
it, Jenna. Yeah. And
then we have the comment here Gregor,

496
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:27.039
who wants to know are the Stallions
going to be America spring football team?

497
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.839
Uh? That that that is to
be determined. You know, it could

498
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.920
be the battle like if we get
if we get the us because we'll get

499
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.359
to the conferences here, we get
to the USFL versus XFLU, you know,

500
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.039
Saint Louis versus Birmingham one winner of
the rule of tomorrow, Like that

501
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:45.599
might be worth all of this if
we get to that, Like if if

502
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.079
June seventh or whatever, the you
know whatever, the championship game is like,

503
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.279
if it's the battle Hawks versus the
Stallions, one winner rules them all.

504
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.559
I think that's pretty exciting. I
think Saint Louis is going to endear

505
00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.400
themselves to a lot of people,
and they still do because they lost their

506
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:01.880
team again, that's the biggest thing
they're able to and they just show up

507
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:06.119
in droves. Those people really believe
in the team, I think, and

508
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.119
I think their personality is very like
read. I don't know if you agree

509
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:13.559
with this, but I feel like
the BattleHawks are the most WWE team of

510
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.240
any spring football team. These people
are just mad man. There's and there's

511
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:20.119
always like really crazy stuff going on
around that team. The fit, the

512
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:25.119
fan base is really passionate. They're
very outgoing. I believe that franchise sells

513
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:29.440
itself the best in a lot of
ways, especially in this concept. It

514
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:31.720
really does. I think that's like
the emblematic, like poster child of like

515
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:36.160
you want a spring football team,
you want the idea to survive. This

516
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.680
is it. Birmingham, I think, from a success standpoint, has done

517
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:43.799
an excellent job. Obviously, they
run their organization very well. Now have

518
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.599
they endeared themselves to the city of
Birmingham. See here's the thing. And

519
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.640
I know there's a lot of people
who will get mad at me for saying

520
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.400
this, but I am not so
sure that even their own community has completely

521
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:58.960
completely sold on their existence yet.
Yeah, Gregory, I know Gregory is

522
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.960
going to come after me and a
lot of people are. But look,

523
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:07.119
I just don't know if they've really
collected enough people to be able to say

524
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:09.200
that confidently. I know there's Birmingham
fans out there. I know there are

525
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:14.279
a lot of good Stallion fans I
talk to sometimes, but like they the

526
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:17.440
city itself, I don't know has
really sold themselves on that property. And

527
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:22.160
if they're gonna be America's team,
I think they need to be Birmingham's team

528
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.119
first. So that's that's my That's
that's just where I stand right now.

529
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:29.440
I'm just gonna put that out there. Comic Binge love this show all this,

530
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:30.599
so I appreciate that. Like I
said, I give a thumbs up

531
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.039
on the video. We had a
new member joined today, which is YouTube

532
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.519
is doing that like, hey,
we'll pay you to start the membership drive.

533
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:39.400
So we had Christina joint but I
think it's a bug a month.

534
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:43.480
But I think it ends up kind
of boosting the channel up to kind of

535
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.480
have that membership thing going. I
want to get to this YG is talking

536
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:52.759
about this supplemental draft. We are
in a very and this is why we'll

537
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:54.279
get to Jeffidets. I got all
this ready to pull up. We are

538
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:58.519
in the very precarious time right now, because this is why I didn't think

539
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:00.759
the twenty first thing was going to
happen. Like I work, I do

540
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.759
weddings and then I work in the
corporate world, and like, to me,

541
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:08.079
this week is kind of like almost
a holiday week, like people are

542
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:12.159
in the office. But I was
getting a lot of emails like hey,

543
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:14.440
we'd like to hire you to do
this video. I'm like, oh sure,

544
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:16.440
let me know when you want to
connect, Like we'll get back to

545
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:20.320
you in the new year. Like
it's those like we're going on vacation,

546
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.760
which I don't know if you saw
that zoomed the TikTok where the guy found

547
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:27.559
that EOD meant end of December and
the end of day. It was like

548
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.480
getting ready to get to work back
in the new year. But anyway,

549
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:34.440
they're talking about the draft next week, Like I don't see us whatever this

550
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:38.079
draft is happening before an announcement,
and I don't see an announcement happening on

551
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:43.280
Monday, Christmas Day. I mean
unless they're putting something out there on the

552
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.920
twenty six. But then we'll get
to all the jempendets and that, to

553
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.480
me, this is a weird time
now. It's almost like you got to

554
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.159
take a snooze break until the new
year. Well oh yeah, well that's

555
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.039
one. And also here's the thing. If you're going to have a supplemental

556
00:34:55.119 --> 00:35:00.039
draft, well then you would be
petitioning to average or at least you'll be

557
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.880
trying to put it out there a
little bit more. I don't know about

558
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.639
that now if the exit failure,
not like, we'll send you an email

559
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.039
when it's done. This is the
world. Okay, So here's here's the

560
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:13.199
other concern with us too, is
the problem is is if you're going to

561
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:17.079
have these events, then are you
going to be able to actually advertise them

562
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:22.440
correctly. I mean that's the thing. Like we talked about the dispersal draft.

563
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:24.199
I mean, we have the concept
of the dispersal draft. Do we

564
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.639
even know? It could be really
cool though, yeah, we don't like

565
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.519
that it could be so cool because
it's like and that like to me,

566
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:32.960
they just sorry to catch off.
Like to me, the dispersal draft is

567
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.960
even better than like the supplemental stuff
last year because you're like, these are

568
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:40.480
all these all stars from the other
teams. It's like survivor. Also,

569
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:44.679
like who's making the cut Like that
to me is almost a bigger deal,

570
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:46.360
Like who's going to get left out? Who's going to get on these teams

571
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:51.239
of all these superstars that just happened
to be on the wrong side of you

572
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.679
know, Thanos to snap. Well, that's the thing. I think the

573
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:57.599
idea is really cool. I just
don't know if they're actually going to put

574
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.880
it out there because the problem is
is is you're still trying to piece together

575
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:05.320
or find out how to communicate the
message to your fans that hey, we're

576
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.039
an eight team league going forward and
this is what's going to be. Like

577
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:12.119
they're still afraid of even just announcing
their existence and so you can't even do

578
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.360
that. Then I don't expect you
to put out any information about an aspersal

579
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:19.719
draft. That's something that would be
like after the fact of or just let

580
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.920
last moment it happening, and then
suddenly they tell all the players, oh,

581
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:23.719
Yeah, by the way, you're
on this team. I just want

582
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.960
to let you know. Okay,
now we'll put out the information, put

583
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:29.280
out the roster list, like they're
not going to actually advertise them, and

584
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.719
that to me is a huge disservice
to the idea of the league if you're

585
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:36.760
going to do it going forward like
read it just seems to me like they're

586
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:42.280
not even like like they're not even
confident to announce their existence because they're worried

587
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.800
about what's going to happen when they
do. And that to me, that

588
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:51.559
to me is such an undercutting of
the entire process of actually being a part

589
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:57.440
of this new idea or being an
actually merged league because they're afraid of stepping

590
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.000
on people's toes, which inevitably you're
going to do. They've already done,

591
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:04.320
and you're gonna upset people like that. Just accept that, But then I

592
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.880
feel like they almost can't. Yeah, they're they're paranoid about that. And

593
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:09.519
a couple of thoughts on this and
the one you know, we're talking about

594
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:14.599
the draft timeline and we can pull
up and this is all VJ. Russell

595
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.400
via like of course, like we're
tracking and we're tracking the narrative here va

596
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:21.719
j Russell who's been on the show. He's a DC guy. Uh via

597
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.360
Jefpidest tweetsch we deleted, but I
have I have them if we want to,

598
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:25.880
you know, if you need,
if you want the proof in the

599
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:31.760
plane here. But like we're Mike, Mike's stocked in our group chat and

600
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:34.719
like I said, I talked with
Mike for a long time this morning,

601
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.599
like this is gonna be a rollout, right, this is gonna be a

602
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.559
rollout. We're gonna have multiple days
and all this stuff, like this isn't

603
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:44.639
gonna be so just to me that
it's then in five days, we're doing

604
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.840
a preliminary draft. But we still, like, I think you got to

605
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.559
get all this other stuff locked down. We've already seen what's going on with

606
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.559
these players and tweeting and the jefpidets
and Scooby right, so the world,

607
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:57.440
Like, I think you need to
get this stuff locked down. And as

608
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.679
you said, it's so weird to
me this we're so afraid to upset anybody

609
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:07.079
like at this point, you like, and it's never been understood to me,

610
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.559
and like with everyone with Danny and
the Rock and all this involved,

611
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:15.320
I've watched wrestling most of my life
and for years and years, Wrestling and

612
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:19.800
Vince mcmahn tried to appeal like,
we gotta get more casual fans. We

613
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.440
gotta get more like we gotta advertise
on NASCAR. We gotta get Bob Barker

614
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.480
on the show, we gotta get
Jeremy Piven on the show. We gotta

615
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:30.880
get all this up because we need
Meanwhile, kind of neglecting the hardcore fans,

616
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.760
right spoiler alert, it's your hardcore
fans are gonna be the ones to

617
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.880
go, Hey, Andy, come
over, let's watch this thing tonight.

618
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.079
I got this thing going on,
like it's not gonna be They're gonna come

619
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:44.480
out and go, it's the UFL
and we're getting rid of these teams but

620
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:47.039
were united and it's gonna be the
XFL versus the USFL, and like all

621
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:50.880
that. I think you get a
little bit of a casual bump for that.

622
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.800
But what you're doing in the meantime
is, and we've said this on

623
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:58.119
the show, and you and I
and Max and everyone like, you're eroding

624
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.360
that hardcore fan base. So you're
gonna need to rely on to kind of

625
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:05.239
be your gorilla marketing. It just
is never equated to me that they don't

626
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:08.440
understand that. I don't get it
either, And I don't think they think

627
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:12.480
that they can start big, they
can start macro and then work their way

628
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.719
down. That's not how it works. You have to start with a face

629
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:20.920
and then move your way up.
And I don't understand why they have never

630
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:24.559
really been able to connect that idea
either. It's it's perplexing, and again

631
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:30.519
it's a bit disrespectful. I know
that's a strong word, but it is

632
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:34.840
a bit disrespectful to the people who've
been there and done their work and actually

633
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:39.039
been involved with this entire process.
And people have been so patient throughout all

634
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:43.039
of this. I mean, God
knows, you and I both and our

635
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:46.320
entire media chat have just been through
the ringer trying to get parts through all

636
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:50.079
this information and trying to figure out
what's going to happen next, and going

637
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.079
through all of it. I mean, there's no there's no just like kind

638
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.320
of stepping away from it for a
while and then coming back. I mean,

639
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.400
this has just been day in and
day out trying to figure out what's

640
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.239
going to happen next, and it's
just so it's so patience testing and that's

641
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:06.920
something that you don't really need to
do or should do for your fan base

642
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:12.360
or for the people that you want
consuming your product. So I get the

643
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.000
idea of trying to appeel to more
casual viewers. I know all of them,

644
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:19.119
I mean, they're all macro minded
people, all of them. I

645
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.519
mean all the XFL and the USFL
are both that way. Now. I

646
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.760
know the USFL does their own their
own budgeting and their own way of approaching

647
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:30.519
it from the hub model. But
like it's Fox like Fox. Of course,

648
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:32.480
the Fox is looking at this as
saying why why aren't we making money?

649
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:37.559
Or what you know, Dwayne Danny
and the redboard CAPA, we're looking

650
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.079
at and saying why aren't we making
money? Because guess what, they already

651
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:43.079
do make money in a lot of
other ways. So that's going to be

652
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.719
a macro mindset. And to me, that sort of is why maybe this

653
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:52.119
isn't working and why and just stay
really quick. I mean, Vince McMahon,

654
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.280
for all of his for all of
his faults, I think understood at

655
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.840
a core level what it meant to
have a core fan base, to have

656
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.760
people to start with, and to
be able to work off his home market

657
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:06.519
he I think knew how to grow
it. Did he grow it into a

658
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.400
huge property, did he work with
wrestling and make it a global phenomenon.

659
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:13.800
Yes, but he had people to
start with and a grassroots to start with,

660
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:17.800
and that's where it ultimately comes from. A couple of comments here and

661
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:21.360
then I want to get to some
of the and I think I need to

662
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:23.639
go into the Jeff's tweet Jeff Bedet's
things to get kind of a little bit

663
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.719
more on that. Dave has been
asking a lot about the announcement again,

664
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.559
like this was kind of self inflicted, the wounds on the XFL community.

665
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.519
It was funny to me that a
lot of people tweeted out like oh yeah,

666
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.000
but Scooby posted and Jeff posted,
so it's okay. It's like,

667
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:43.320
well that's that wasn't what like no, like people said there was like Brandon

668
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.320
said like sorry, like sorry,
like Brandon made videos that is coming this

669
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:51.679
week, Mark made videos there's coming
this week. I did not because it

670
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:57.000
wasn't coming this week. So like
getting Jeff's tweets out, that doesn't like

671
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.440
that doesn't mean that that was correct. Like I hate these false it is

672
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:04.039
of all that stuff anti talking and
the mini drafts is so insignificant. I

673
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.400
agree with that, but I think
you need to get these player whatever figured

674
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.559
out and under you know, league
contracts and NDAs and kind of all that

675
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:14.280
stuff before. Like, I don't
think we can do a dispersal draft next

676
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:19.239
week, not have everything announced and
then be like now you got everyone running

677
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.239
around like I've been cut from all
these teams or this has gone Like I

678
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:24.960
just think you're gonna get further further
out because this information is going, you

679
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:29.199
know, out to all of these
players. Uh. Pat saying, do

680
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:31.599
we not think it's done already?
If like the DPPs, like what what

681
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:37.320
makes you feel like this is figured
out? Like like there's not one ounce

682
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:39.679
of anything in the last three months. It has made me like I have

683
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:45.280
the dms from the coaching staffs that
say, like, we feel really jacked

684
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.239
right now. This sucks like like
nothing about this feels like it's gonna be

685
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.480
you know, figured out that way. Uh, And then you can if

686
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.000
you want to have any of this, Tanner hopefully they'll budget a little bit

687
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:59.039
more for advertising. Uh. You
know we're talking and the I think it

688
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:02.079
was Jeff's tweets or we're talking about
the player pay very similar to kind of

689
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:06.840
the XFL, the fifty three hundred
a week or whatever, and players up

690
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:08.480
in arms like, we're not going
to get paid more money. Like,

691
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:12.519
no, when you go from two
leagues to one league, you're not going

692
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.679
to get paid more money. When
the AAF went away, Vince McMahon didn't

693
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:17.400
raise rates for the XFL players.
He goes, well, now I can

694
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:21.639
pay them less because there's nowhere else
to go. Any comments on any of

695
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.840
that stuff, And no, I
mean it was a little bit of get

696
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:29.360
some red rance read rage. I
expected that come earlier, honestly. I

697
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:34.480
look, no, I mean that's
the thing. It's the idea is that

698
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:38.320
they're not going to downsize and then
suddenly pay people more. That's not how

699
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:42.800
it works. Usually when a merger
happens, or when anything like that happens,

700
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.400
people are trying to cut costs and
trying to figure out what they don't

701
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.840
have to spend money on first,
and that's the most efficient way for these

702
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.519
leagues to operate if they realize they
don't have to add more money and put

703
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:57.800
more money into the resources. They're
trying to consolidate so that they can survive

704
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.960
going forward, but paying higher prayers
player salary for them. Isn't the most

705
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:06.039
economic model of keeping that going forward? Is that a Now is that unfortunate

706
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:07.320
for the players? Yeah? Of
course. I mean the unions would probably

707
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.800
argue the same thing and saying,
well, now you have more capital,

708
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.559
why don't you use it on your
players? But that's not That's not how

709
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:15.159
this is not how the business is
going to run. You can argue for

710
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.000
that. You can fight for them, of course to do it, and

711
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:21.280
they should and they should, but
they should. I don't mean to be

712
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:23.360
cursed about it, but that's just
not how it works. Yeah. So

713
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:27.400
I well, I just think it's
gonna be hard to dissuade them from thinking

714
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:31.960
otherwise if their whole their whole model
here again is keeping it in house and

715
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:37.480
having everything be able to save money
and cut corners at certain spots. I

716
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:39.960
mean that's how the USFL went,
right. I Mean there's that mental again.

717
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:44.559
What's the mentality inside of the building, that's the thing. What is

718
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:46.119
it between both of these we're still
trying to figure out. I think that's

719
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:52.920
also why we're not sure what's going
on here, because sometimes there's just this

720
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:57.199
fusion of both ideals that were so
different in how they approach things now.

721
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:00.280
I know Daniel Rocket ideas of maybe
doing a hub themselves last year, they

722
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:04.480
didn't. They deviated from that and
they wanted to have all eight cities,

723
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:07.440
and maybe they went to the USFL
table and told them said, hey,

724
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:09.679
this is not gonna happen. We're
gonna try and do it all eight teams.

725
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:13.239
Although then we heard things. I
mean, that's the thing. You

726
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.239
know, we heard things a few
months ago saying well, there's gonna be

727
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.960
hubs now, and there's gonna be
twelve or ten teams and they're gonna do

728
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:22.280
this. It's like okay, Well
they're gonna have six hubs, and it's

729
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.840
like okay. And then that didn't
happen. Again, it didn't happen because

730
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:30.920
that wasn't solidified. It might have
been a conversation inside of the circle at

731
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.239
that time, but it was not
a decision that was set in stone.

732
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.760
So no, I mean, that's
the thing, Like, do I think

733
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:39.159
they're gonna all gonna try and save
money, Yes, But do I think

734
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:42.920
they're going to be able to mix
all over their ideas together and make it

735
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:46.400
work. I mean, again,
it's it's this just weird fusion that's going

736
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:51.039
on between both sides. So to
be concerned about getting more money as a

737
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.239
player, I don't that should be
your concern. I don't think that's a

738
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:59.360
major concern for them because I think
that's not factored into how they're gonna try

739
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:01.960
and run their busin this going forward. I know this, and this seems

740
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:06.280
something I was talking with Mike today
and about kind of maybe the you know,

741
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:09.519
the timelines and level of concern with
both of these leagues, and you

742
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:13.280
know, coming to this merger right
now, because we've talked this certainly isn't

743
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:15.920
a merger out of strength. This
is a merger out of survival. And

744
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:20.559
uh, you know, it's like
you're in science class and you're paired with

745
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:22.400
your least favorite person in the world, and you're like, you need to

746
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.840
figure out how to do this thing, and you're like, but that way,

747
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:29.000
none of us want to be in
the situation together, but we need

748
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:35.119
to do that. Let's get to
Jeffrey's little emails here, because this was

749
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:39.320
interesting. So this is this was
kind of the big carefuffle yesterday and jeff

750
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:44.719
deleted all this, which, again, if you're like a player in one

751
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:47.159
of these leagues and this is why
you don't do this because I can't imagine

752
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:53.639
that this was popping about us.
But this, according to uh from from

753
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:58.119
Jeff. This was from the director
of team operations for the Vegas Vipers to

754
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.800
him. So take that for what
it is, Like, yes, it's

755
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:06.559
it's it's an official XFL like email, But I don't know the insights to

756
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:08.960
the director of team operations, who's
in charge of like travel and lodging for

757
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:13.159
a team that is not making the
merger is going to be a part of

758
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:15.079
this. So that's why, like
I didn't tweet all this stuff out yesterday

759
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.599
because if I'm going to talk about
this and we're gonna have this on the

760
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:22.440
screen, I want to give the
context to that because I think this could

761
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:27.519
be this could be like I don't
think it's very challenging to be like,

762
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:30.119
well, they're getting rid of eight
teams, so they're probably going to have

763
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:31.480
to do a draft with the other
age and they're probably going to have to

764
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:36.239
you know, protect your Like I
think it's easy to prognosticate all of that,

765
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:37.960
but just this is not this isn't
like this was sent out from rush

766
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:43.199
brand into team officials, like this
is what we have going on. Yeah,

767
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:47.239
I mean for most players who are
involved in these discussions, or at

768
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:52.480
least trying to be involved in these
discussions. I mean, it goes without

769
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.679
saying you have to be careful about
sending out information like this and just posting

770
00:47:54.719 --> 00:48:00.480
it for everybody to see. And
again, it seems to me the thing

771
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:04.159
is, that's a good point by
David. I mean, could the email

772
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.559
be fake? I mean that's the
thing, Like he's something from a month

773
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:09.280
ago that changed sorry, you know, like it could have been and now

774
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:15.440
it's not anymore. Is it information
that just yeah, it's it's so it's

775
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:20.320
so fluid and it's something that's just
going to continue changing. I mean that's

776
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:23.360
the thing I think again, it's
all this fluid information and players can say

777
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:27.639
they have their ear, you know, nail to the floor and say,

778
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:30.760
oh, we know what's going on, we have the beat on this,

779
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:32.360
we know what's happening. You know, Mark Thompson would like to tell us

780
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:37.280
how much of a journalist he is. So, you know, I just

781
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.960
don't get why the need to post
out some of this information. Again,

782
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.119
if it's something that was passed around
a month ago and then suddenly got to

783
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.519
your doorstep, and you think that
this is the final version of it.

784
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:52.559
It may not be. That's the
thing. So I can't take any of

785
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:55.280
these dates slip solidly? Do they
do? They sound good to me?

786
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:59.360
I mean sure, the training camp
dates sounds solid. I mean the calendar

787
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.719
makes sense. Again, that's not
set and stone. So why is that

788
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:07.880
something that would necessarily be solidified here? I mean, the details and the

789
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.960
money, all of this is not
something that has I don't think any of

790
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:16.119
it has been solidified. So that's
why I don't get what's the purpose of

791
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:21.079
it being put out there by a
player who thinks that they're doing the community

792
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.480
of service when in fact it could
just be old information. Yeah, cloud

793
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:28.440
yg here jeffided is in the players
Union, and guess what the players union

794
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.280
put out in the stand But they
have not been involved in the negotiations with

795
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:37.480
the league. Like what do you
like? I'm not trying to be rude

796
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:40.280
here, I'm trying like we I
have like I had that this is probably

797
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:44.559
like we we're in this, like
we're and all this kind of stuff,

798
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.599
like we're not involved in any of
this. And so yes, I understand

799
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:52.239
that, Like I get just I
want to just when you put out things.

800
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:55.079
It's like, this is confirmed,
these are confirmed, we have confirmation

801
00:49:55.159 --> 00:50:00.519
from the league. Like it's just
I want to just take this might all

802
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:02.519
be correct, but we just you
gotta take it one step at a time.

803
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.920
Here, Mike Mitchell has said he
has not heard that these are the

804
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:10.000
divisions XFL versus USFL at these conferences. I think that would be cool.

805
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:13.880
I don't know if that is what
it is. To me, that makes

806
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:15.360
sense, and you call it the
United Football League again, all of these

807
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:19.880
things make sense. It's just contextualizing
and kind of knowing where we're at.

808
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.199
Read. I don't think I've ever
seen a union turf war. That is

809
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:25.719
a new thing for me too.
We'll get into that. Yeah, that

810
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:31.159
that to me was that was bizarre. I've never seen something like that.

811
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:35.199
But I mean, that's the thing. The union statements being put out about

812
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:38.360
what has been involved, who has
been involved in why they've been involved,

813
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:45.239
even that information seems to be superfluous. And again like, yes, Jeff,

814
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:50.320
but that's part of the players union. They necessarily had those members being

815
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.960
part of the negotiating table. Again, that seems to be very much up

816
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:57.119
in the air. So again,
I don't know how you can really take

817
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.840
that as gospel at this point.
Yeah, Scott has and this is good.

818
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:04.119
It just seems like we're taking things
out of assumption. In a couple

819
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.559
of texts, there's no official say
again. And that's why, like,

820
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:09.920
I like, I really struggled this
whole week. If I'm in texting Andy,

821
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:13.840
like do we want to do some
this week? Do we not?

822
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:15.199
Like how do you feel? Because
I just I don't want to be but

823
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:19.639
I felt like there was so much
stuff this week that we needed to just

824
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:22.679
get down here and say like,
this is at least where we're at,

825
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.159
and this may or may not be
true, but just like this is the

826
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:29.519
information we have, and this is
kind of how I'm processing it. The

827
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.360
things we know for sure, Roughnecks
players you know, or Roughnex excuse me,

828
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:37.119
rough Next staff publicly thanking the league
and saying like my time is done

829
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:38.920
in the XFL. That is something
we can work with. Some of this

830
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:43.119
other stuff, you just got to
be a little scrutiny. I just wish

831
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:45.239
there was like some sort of I
don't know, State of the Union address

832
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.639
or something of that nature where there's
just somebody from one of these leagues.

833
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.360
I don't care who it is,
but or the Commercial League or whatever,

834
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:57.880
somebody comes out and has some sort
of statement or is able to mention something

835
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.559
in the nature of here's what's going
on, here's what we can tell you.

836
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:04.960
Here's things that if you want to
ask us questions, we'll be happy

837
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.440
to answer them, but we can't
tell you everything that's going on right now.

838
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.679
Like just something like that, you
know, or be able to get

839
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:15.480
some sort of line of communication,
as opposed to rush brand and blasting emails

840
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:19.920
out to everybody and telling them that
there's you know, I mean, the

841
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.920
business as usual, you know,
monocer. I mean that was that that

842
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:24.840
was one of the most ominous things
that we've seen in the last few months

843
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:28.679
is people being told, well,
we don't know if you're gonna be around,

844
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:30.599
but anyways, keep pretending that you're
going to be around for them your

845
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:34.559
foreseeable future. You know, like
there's not even again, there's not even

846
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:38.239
like a forethought so forethought of like
what's going to happen when those people are

847
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:43.039
now out out of the job and
you have no words or anything, no

848
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.000
media or anything to really back up
what what you proclaimed was going to happen

849
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:51.880
going forward. David, you ride
on d this is the world we have.

850
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.360
I haven't had Jason Eric excuse me, David too many comments on David

851
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:57.960
Hopeier, subscribes and all that stuff. I haven't seen David comment a lot.

852
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.559
But yeah, this is kind of
We're rare. But like even email,

853
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.239
the new league may be creative by
the beginning of January. Given this,

854
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.760
I would highly recommend the doctors is
boys be booked if you have paid

855
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:14.719
medical, like the new league maybe
maybe created just again and like the pay

856
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:16.960
makes sense and if you you know, Andy and I did a I mean

857
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:20.119
it was a three hour episode,
but we did like an hour and a

858
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:22.239
half deep dive of all the pay
structure and all that stuff. Back with

859
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:27.079
the XFL and the USFL back in
twenty twenty, what would that have been

860
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:30.559
three Like, uh, you know, it's going to be a mixture there.

861
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:34.159
I'll be curious what they do with
the union and I want to get

862
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:36.119
to that before we get out of
here. We can do I don't know

863
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.800
how long anyone has time to spend
on this today, but you know,

864
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:43.800
uh, how do you unionize where
you have four teams that are in the

865
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:45.960
union and four teams devoted not to
be in the union with the XFL.

866
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:51.800
I don't know what you do with
a quarterback pay where the XFL famously paid

867
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:54.079
up for you know, the Bret
Huntleys of the world, and the USFL

868
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:58.400
did not, and you know mcaud
Beuthel Thompson got the same raids as everyone

869
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:01.519
else. Like, there's a lot
besides just is it the roughnecks or the

870
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:06.519
gamblers. There's so many minute details
and all of this, Like that's why

871
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:09.320
some of these emails like this can't
all be solidified right now. I just

872
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:14.239
don't believe that. Well, I
mean, like again, the ominous part

873
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:17.199
of this, aside from the maybe
created part, which is just to think

874
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:21.719
of it as a fifty is a
coin flick proposition is just wild. But

875
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:24.559
also again the word highly as you
see in that sen that says, given

876
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:29.280
this, I would highly recommend that
all doctor's appointments be booked as soon as

877
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:34.079
possible by the end of the year
to ensure we are covered if you're if

878
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:40.199
you have medical paid for by the
XFL, like be able to actually be

879
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:43.920
covered in your healthcare costs, like
I was mentioning at the top of the

880
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:45.440
show. I mean, just the
idea of like well, Okay, the

881
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:47.760
health Insuran is gonna run out in
a week, Like that's gonna be gone

882
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:52.920
just poof, it's over. I
mean that that seems like a very just

883
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:57.320
ominous notion as well. Again,
they've mentioned things here in this email about

884
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.239
there being team players that are being
released and being able to sign with a

885
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:07.320
USFL team, which again there were
reports yesterday about potentially or reports I started

886
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:10.800
putting the quotations ideas that there may
be a USFL and exible division, which

887
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:15.440
I've I thought was just a pipe
dream and the thought, but like there

888
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:19.199
was no mention of that actually being
going like going forward, that those were

889
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:21.559
going to be two separate divisions.
I don't even know if that's true.

890
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:24.199
Like when you say a team or
players signing in this league, what moniker,

891
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:29.360
are you even referring to it as
like again signing with a UFL team,

892
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:31.760
Like even that part is just completely
up in the air. Again with

893
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:36.639
like even the namings of these leagues
or if they're separate or if they're divisions

894
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:40.400
or what. This is so all
over the place. Well and even like

895
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:45.239
and gifts where this feels like it's
operating where they have here at the bottom,

896
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:49.440
you know, players, if you're
dissolved from an XFL or USFL team,

897
00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:52.000
like you're not going to be able
to re sign with the other league,

898
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:53.239
Like you got to wait and see
if you're picked up by one or

899
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:58.320
the other. Like I don't,
I don't. I guess is that competitive

900
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:00.239
advance? Like I don't understand the
mentality behind that, Like if you're cut

901
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:05.280
and another team, okay, well
you can only be reassigned the first draft

902
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.639
by if it's another USFL team,
and then in the super supplemental Draft,

903
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:14.079
you can be like there's just so
much there where these rosters are already pretty

904
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:16.760
full. If you're you know,
if you're the the hell is even made?

905
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:20.679
You know, if you're the Stallions
here right? Like you are you

906
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:24.599
bringing in another thirty guys of this
supplemental draft? I don't know? And

907
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:28.679
why is there a competitive clause there
in the first place? Again, in

908
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:30.719
terms of like signing with these other
teams, I thought these were supposed to

909
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:36.360
be again emerged entity. They're all
under the same umbrella, Like what are

910
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.400
we arguing for here? This is
supposed to be a collective effort of these

911
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:44.639
players going back and forth. It
still doesn't even seem like that's completely set

912
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:46.280
in stone, like there's a solidified
notion that they are just going to be

913
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:50.880
able to ship hop ship over to
another team. And like you said,

914
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:53.360
I mean these rosters are very filled
out. You know, we cover a

915
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:58.119
lot of players who have had their
shots in their training camps and be able

916
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:00.880
to get into the NFL or the
CFL. But I mean there wasn't like,

917
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:04.679
you know, a mass exodus of
five hundred players. I mean a

918
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:06.920
lot of these people are still around, a lot of them are still under

919
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:10.360
contract and they're still being placed on
these rosters because they weren't able to make

920
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:15.360
an NFL team or even go to
another league. So I mean that's the

921
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:19.119
thing I don't understand where all that
player movement is going to be. The

922
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:22.760
dispecial draft is again, like going
back to that is a cool idea in

923
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:25.280
terms of reallogating some of these players, but there's only so many people that

924
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:30.960
can go to other teams, and
the top end players will but you know,

925
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:34.280
again the mid level and lower tier. I hate to say those words

926
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:36.800
because I think everyone has their own
level of talent, but you know what

927
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:39.880
I mean, like the non star
players are going to be I don't know

928
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:43.480
where they're going to go, like
that's the thing. And so they're talking

929
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:45.960
here, you know, so prior
to twelve to twenty and if you can

930
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:47.880
see my curser prior, Tolder said, the XTRABL teams will protect forty two

931
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:52.480
players only on their rosters or release, so that what are they carrying right

932
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:57.719
now because they have up to ninety
But it's not like the number here over

933
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:02.440
the summer. This like I don't
see this happening in five days over Christmas

934
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:07.159
and then coming into a supplemental draft
terre on the twenty like that's or else.

935
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:12.880
That's a really terrible, terrible way
to run a business. Here again,

936
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:15.639
that's an email blast, right,
that's just telling people, that's just

937
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:20.840
laying people off via email, and
that again is very disingenuous. The fact

938
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:22.800
that you even tell people that that's
what's going to happen. I mean,

939
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:29.159
I can't imagine it being the week
of Christmas. I mean that that to

940
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:31.960
me just does not seem the shoe
does not seem to fit. And I

941
00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:37.960
don't understand why that why that's the
idea. And if that is the idea,

942
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:40.440
that's that's awful, Like that can't
be the way that they're going to

943
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:45.320
announce this to everybody, they have
to at least wait until after the new

944
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:49.079
year. But again, I think
because of the situation with all the contracts

945
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:51.400
running up until the end of the
year, I think that's why there may

946
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:53.719
be this like desperation to get something
done. But that's kind of how the

947
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:58.679
email wards it. I don't know
if that's necessarily Again, what's happening on

948
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:01.559
their end of you know, their
side of the the barketing table, and

949
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:06.559
if that's really what's going to actually
transpire here in the next week. Again,

950
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:08.480
it's just such a mystery, even
like going into yesterday was such a

951
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:12.679
mystery, like there was ideas of
what could happen, and then nothing really

952
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:14.840
happened. But then there was a
lot of people who were putting out their

953
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:19.639
own reports or tweets almost like people
were just putting in their own like it

954
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:22.880
was like mad lips, Like there
was just your choose your own adventure here,

955
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:23.840
fill in the blank, see what
you think is gonna happen, and

956
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:27.760
this is what's gonna this is what
I want the outcome to be, not

957
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:31.400
actually any solidified information. Yeah.
The other thing I'm just curious with like

958
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:36.159
getting into this stuff finalized just fiscally
for next year. I don't know that

959
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:38.840
if there's any benefit to locking down
some of these contracts and stuff and and

960
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:43.199
yeah of next year, just in
terms of kind of getting all that stuff

961
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:45.079
figured out. I just the end
of this and then we'll get to the

962
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:49.800
the union stuff. This is you
know, then there's they're dissolved and I

963
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.559
canna be able to be released prior
with all of that, then there's gonna

964
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:55.400
be a super dispersal draft. Do
you not need to do anything? I

965
00:59:55.440 --> 01:00:00.199
don't know, Like I don't want
to Jepidat's like a friend of this going

966
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:02.519
out of one and again this is
this was probably accurate or at least whatever.

967
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:07.719
At some point I just feels I
don't know any other thoughts on this

968
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:10.400
before we get to the union union
message. Well, that's the first time

969
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:15.159
I heard also the terminology super dispersal
draft. I'd not heard that term.

970
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:19.760
I had not heard that term before. I mean, it makes it sound

971
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:22.000
like a grand sale, you know, but I had not heard that.

972
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:27.039
Zach Trum, we'd heard dis dispersal
draft, but super dispersal draft was not

973
01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:32.679
in the lexicon. And our discussions
up to that point, I'm really curious

974
01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:37.039
about the unprotected players, Like,
is this a free agency thing where it's

975
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:40.960
like restricted and unrestricted kind of deal
with these players in terms of who they're

976
01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:45.320
being released to and where they're being
released. Is that part of their contract

977
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.599
negotiations in terms of their being in
the E merged entity. I don't know

978
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:54.280
how that works. And again,
the set number thing is really interesting.

979
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:58.760
It says on this date, the
USFL n XFL teams will draft twenty three

980
01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:01.360
players that compete the training can roster. How big is the training camp roster?

981
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:05.239
How big is that in comparison to
the number of players they have right

982
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:07.239
now? Like you said, is
it gonna be forty five players? There

983
01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:08.400
are gonna be more? How many
are they gonna be able to add on?

984
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:13.159
Why that specific number at this exact
iteration? How many people are the

985
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.239
expecting to be gone at that point
from the rosters that are already there?

986
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:20.079
How do they know that number?
That's the thing? Can they confidently say

987
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.199
that? Well in all of this, even when it was just back with

988
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:27.280
the XFL stuff where it was like, Okay, we're doing the showcases and

989
01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:30.559
then we're going to do the rookie
draft right, the rookie. The college

990
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:32.119
draft was the USFL, right was
the rookie. We're going to do the

991
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:36.079
rookie draft, and then we're going
to do the showcases, and then we're

992
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:38.039
going to do an October draft,
and then we're going to do another draft

993
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:42.559
after the NFL, and then we're
gonna do one in January. Like and

994
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:45.360
obviously that all kind of got you
know, pushed to the moon here with

995
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:50.239
all this stuff, but like,
I don't know how many unless you're just

996
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:53.199
you're and unless it's you know,
where the USFL, like they can just

997
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:57.760
kind of sign and cut players whenever
they want. Like, it just always

998
01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:00.360
seemed weird to me that we have
so many floodgates here, like, Okay,

999
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:02.079
now we're gonna do this one.
Then we're gonna do like you're filling

1000
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:06.440
three spots or like, how many
spots are we you know, we're drafting

1001
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:08.519
twelve players, we're getting everyone together
on a zoom call the draft. I

1002
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:12.280
just to me, it always seemed
a little too you know, I kind

1003
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:15.559
of okay, trust the process,
you got a good product on the field,

1004
01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:20.400
but it always felt a little interesting
to me. Again, I argue,

1005
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:22.840
what process. I mean, that's
that I don't know what the process

1006
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:27.360
is. And again I don't think
people who are involved here know what even

1007
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:31.000
is the process here, Like it's
the process of communication. Even seems to

1008
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:36.599
be complete breakdown mode for all these
people involved. So I don't know.

1009
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:40.440
The numbers just seem so so nebulous. I don't even know where to start

1010
01:02:40.519 --> 01:02:45.239
with that. But the union information
is really interesting and where it's coming from.

1011
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:47.320
All right, So let's get to
this. So then this is kind

1012
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:50.599
of last big and then we'll do
comments and stuff. Again, I don't

1013
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:52.840
know anyone's I got. We have
a birthday party tonight for someone that I

1014
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:57.280
really don't want to go to.
So I'm kind of here. Whatever we

1015
01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:00.760
so this and this came out last
night. So this was the Unit Football

1016
01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:05.760
Players Association, so this was separate
than the UFLPA, right, So I

1017
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:07.960
got to put all this stuff together. So, yeah, this is the

1018
01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:12.559
Kenneth Pharaoh and Nick Temple kind of
Ryan Cave and all that stuff. Oh,

1019
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:15.679
it would help if I put it
on the screen. We're on the

1020
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:19.599
a form you of important decision.
Basically, they are party ways with the

1021
01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:22.360
steel workers union. They didn't feel
like over the last few months, you

1022
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:27.559
know, have Football Players Association has
been shut out from participating in the involvement

1023
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.000
with the USFL and XFL merger.
We know right now is that these huge

1024
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:36.000
major companies resulted in the fifty percent
cuts almost twenty million CUP from player salaries

1025
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:38.480
and there's been nothing added. We've
talked about that, not getting more money

1026
01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:44.480
to mitigate all that stuff. We've
engaged in extensive discussions, consultations, evaluations

1027
01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:46.280
to be sure we'll make the best
option. So that's kind of the first

1028
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:50.239
one. That's the Kendeth Pharaoh.
And because it gets it gets weird here

1029
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.679
because this is kind of the non
this is the non official, like we

1030
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:57.920
went down to Birmingham and worked with
a lot of this stuff, you know,

1031
01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:01.320
back with the kickoff and kind of
all that. First, what your

1032
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:03.519
reaction to this, first of all, the kind of s feral kind of

1033
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:08.960
action. Well, I mean,
he's clearly saying that there's just no level

1034
01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:13.199
of communication that's really been had as
far as like the negotiation part of it,

1035
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:19.320
and again as far as the whole
partnership with the steel workers union again

1036
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:24.599
not being able to tie that into
this whole thing. That's really interesting to

1037
01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:28.400
me because I thought, I mean, how long ago was that partnership farm

1038
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:31.519
like over a year ago. It
was right after I mean, because they

1039
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:35.280
were down there for the kickoff and
Kenneth was shaking hands in Birmingham to you

1040
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:39.519
know, the inaugural kickoff, and
then it was came in later and then

1041
01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:42.719
they both did it up in the
summer then, right. So I guess

1042
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:47.000
in the interest of maybe it not
in not being compatible with what they're trying

1043
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:51.360
to accomplish here, I'm not sure
that's really what Kenneth is sort of getting

1044
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:56.039
at. I guess maybe there's just
differences in terms of how the negotiated.

1045
01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:59.079
I mean, again, the steel
Workers Union is incredibly powerful and it has

1046
01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:02.280
been for quite some time. If
you look in at the history of it,

1047
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:05.719
it's one of the strongest unions in
the United States. But I guess

1048
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:12.280
maybe the vision just wasn't really shared
there as far as what they're accomplishing here.

1049
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:15.679
I mean, it seems to me
like I think there just might be

1050
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.519
frustration on Kenneth Ferrell's part about actually
being able to have a seat at the

1051
01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:24.719
table and being able to actually be
participating in these negotiations. So that was

1052
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:28.360
a very interesting statement that was put
out last night by yeah, kind of

1053
01:05:28.360 --> 01:05:30.920
abrupt too. Yeah. So then
then then this is from the This is

1054
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:34.519
from the official So this is from
the UFLPA. Is it brought to our

1055
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:38.840
attention to the false statement? This
is spread by individuals who are not have

1056
01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:43.800
never been at the bargaining table with
our UFL USFL player negotiating committee. These

1057
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:46.440
individuals have not aided in the day
to day operations with our union. You

1058
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:49.679
know, do they have any insights
on the current bargaining between the players in

1059
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:55.440
the leagues? The countless hours spatlier
pelayer representatives to secure player protections not be

1060
01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:59.599
overshadowed from this. This is a
Darte's Jacobs say, union president. So

1061
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:05.880
now we have the official UFLPA USFLPA
arguing with the UFL. I'm just I'm

1062
01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:09.519
kind of confused, and we're all
like, what we're trying to accomplish here?

1063
01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:12.239
Okay, Well, I mean this
is very separatist, right, So

1064
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:16.320
this is part of the USFL labor
negotiations, and they're saying about how they're

1065
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:19.760
going to be adding on the XFL
players in the future as part of this,

1066
01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:23.199
which again I go back to,
like, Okay, we're going to

1067
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:26.519
have separate divisions here again, and
this is the separate unions that are involved

1068
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:29.960
here, But for them to just
kind of come out and just basically say

1069
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:32.360
that whatever statement was put out by
Kenneth Berrell or whoever, I mean,

1070
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:35.119
it's almost written in a way that
like as if he didn't put out the

1071
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:40.239
statement, which is really strange.
I'm sort of trying to piece that together

1072
01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:45.039
as well, but just this sort
of complete disregard for that announcement. Just

1073
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:48.960
I mean, this was like what
minutes after that statement was put out.

1074
01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:51.679
It was very close to each other
in terms of time. I was following

1075
01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:56.039
it on my timeline, and then
suddenly like this came out maybe an hour

1076
01:06:56.159 --> 01:07:00.119
later, and suddenly it just almost
overshed, this kind of overshadowed what the

1077
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.679
other one was talking about because it
was just sort of saying, hey,

1078
01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:08.400
disregard whatever that was being said or
whatever information that that person doesn't It's almost

1079
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:11.679
like saying that person wasn't involved here
or hasn't been involved in the process the

1080
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:16.039
entire time. Which again, where
do these two ideas and these two visions

1081
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:20.280
of align here, because I don't
not sure what overlapping Here's who's saying what

1082
01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:24.760
in terms of who was involved in
who wasn't. Like there seems to be

1083
01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:28.719
as almost one side saying I wasn't
involved, other saying saying, yeah,

1084
01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:30.400
you weren't involved, and you shouldn't
say anything about it, and yet you

1085
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:34.599
never should be like and I love
Kenneth and he's been on the show anyone

1086
01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:38.880
that he's on the show multiple times, but like they have the whole thing

1087
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:43.199
a couple of years ago because again, the this the the United Football Players

1088
01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:49.559
Association is Kenneth and them kind of
the leftovers from the XFL. Okay,

1089
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:53.719
you know people when that league went, you know, belly up and you

1090
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:56.760
know you're stuck in hotels and we're
trying to get home, and like they

1091
01:07:56.840 --> 01:08:00.840
kind of helped you you know,
not at the time but kind of unionized

1092
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:03.760
but beforem a grouping of hey,
let's let's help these guys figure out what's

1093
01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:09.039
going on. And when the bankruptcy
and all that stuff happened, like okay,

1094
01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:11.280
this is where you need to sit
them in your stuff, or hey

1095
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.000
guys, there's a deadline this day
to make sure you submit, like to

1096
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:16.439
get all the paperwork together. So
that was that. Then they were down

1097
01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:20.319
getting getting a part of this UFLPA. But now, yeah, it just

1098
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:24.800
it seems like they don't want to
be involved in that, and I just

1099
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:28.560
I don't. Oh. Then the
other thing was was with Kenneth. You

1100
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:31.159
know, they're quick to react when
they were saying that the CFL players working

1101
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:35.119
to play back in the delayed season
in twenty twenty one. So like Kenneth's

1102
01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:39.399
been known to kind of like hop
at stuff before and kind of put out

1103
01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:42.359
things without necessarily thinking all the way
through it. Like, I don't know

1104
01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:45.880
if that's part of it, but
again, this just further marks to me

1105
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:48.199
I'm going with the UFLPA, am
I alone in that that that's kind of

1106
01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:54.560
where the ones that are actually working
with the negotiation. I mean, I

1107
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:58.600
think the problem is the timing of
which the statement comes out and the day

1108
01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:01.880
works, so much information just flying
around from so many different sources and players

1109
01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:06.520
and media and all kinds of different
people. I think for Kenneth to kind

1110
01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:10.439
of jump in here and say give
his piece and say what was going on,

1111
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:13.399
the timing of it is very odd, as if it's like he's kind

1112
01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:15.720
of trying to not I don't want
to put words in his mouth or really

1113
01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:18.239
speak too much of him. Because
I think him coming on your show,

1114
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:21.079
he's been very insightful, and I
really have a lot of respect for Kenneth

1115
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:27.279
Ferroll and what he tries to accomplish
as a union president, as somebody who

1116
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:30.680
wants to represent players who in this
space don't have a lot of rights.

1117
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:38.560
But it did seem to be a
bit of a forward statement in anticipation of

1118
01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:43.119
what other people might be saying about
the union's involvement here, and I think

1119
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:45.279
maybe that was a response to what
was being put out by Jeff Biddett earlier.

1120
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:48.840
Perhaps, I mean, there's just
so much information. I think the

1121
01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:53.239
problem here is that again I don't
know if this is really based on real

1122
01:09:53.239 --> 01:09:57.600
interactions that Kenneth has had or a
lack of interactions if he's not had any

1123
01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:04.920
of those. But us the usfl
PA here, I think it's just trying

1124
01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:10.199
to not have someone else try to
start a fire, and whether or not

1125
01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:15.119
Kenneth Ferrell starting it for the right
reasons or not, again, I don't

1126
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:19.520
I don't think his intentions are misguided, but perhaps what information has been out

1127
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:24.119
coming out here is not really getting
across in the way that it's supposed to

1128
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:29.880
in terms of actually informing anybody or
enlightening anybody of what's going to happen going

1129
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:31.520
forward. I think the USFLPA is
maybe kind of saying, hey, hold

1130
01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:34.680
your horses here, like let's let's
not jump the gun and try to say

1131
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:41.159
what's what's happening may or may not
happening at the negotiating table. So I

1132
01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:45.640
think that's why it comes off as
sort of almost pulling back the reins a

1133
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:49.520
little bit on on on Pharaoh and
the and the other players union. Yeah.

1134
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:53.840
So then we finally had this and
I Pat tweeted this out and I

1135
01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:57.079
just felt like, what's going on
here? Like no idea? So then

1136
01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:03.039
this is from the vice president of
the right and this was just to get

1137
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:06.319
all this on here. Devin Gray, I wish it formerly. I wish

1138
01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:10.479
it formally clarify certain matters. Was
imperative to know. Kenneth Nick and in

1139
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:14.920
the UFLPA were never affiliated with the
union, nor do they represent any players

1140
01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:19.840
during the CBA negotiations. Their roles
were exclusively as organizers hired by the steel

1141
01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:24.960
workers tasked with the United Unions,
rather than participating in one. It's it's

1142
01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:29.680
essential to recognize their internal objection of
assuming leadership within the union evident in the

1143
01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:33.399
timing of this official statement, notably
their exclusion of Senia negotiations, has led

1144
01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:38.520
them to seize this opportunity to undermine
the dedicated efforts of the board, the

1145
01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:42.600
board that tiressly worked to secure optimal
outcome for players. The commitment that should

1146
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:46.560
be overshot should not be overshoted by
misleading information. You UPA's intentions and statements

1147
01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:51.319
of your self serving and misleading and
contributing unnecessary chaos and confusion to an already

1148
01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:57.840
complex situation. I'm stepfast in my
stance against the UPA's claim of inaccurate salary

1149
01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:02.279
information. So like, so are
some of the things that came out already?

1150
01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:06.520
Like are those misleading with this hour? This is where I lose a

1151
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:12.640
narrative. I mean, I think
it's just this one is just completely disregarding

1152
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:16.560
it all together and just saying this
is misinformation. That's just causing the waters

1153
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:21.000
to become more muddy than they already
are. So it seems to be this

1154
01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:25.960
is a lot more aggressive than the
usf LPA statement. Obviously, Devin Gray

1155
01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:28.880
is very much putting his stick a
stamp on the ground and saying no,

1156
01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:36.479
this is not what's happening, and
Kenneth Ferrel does not have any any sense

1157
01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:41.079
of what the situation is and whatsoever. So at least that's how I read

1158
01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:43.960
it. I mean, it seems
to be a lot more aggressive in that

1159
01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:48.560
way. I am interested in the
part of the last paragraph saying that their

1160
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:54.880
intentions and statement of your self serving
and misleading and contributing unnecessary chaos and confusion

1161
01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:57.920
to our complex situation. I'd argue
that's the case for a lot of people

1162
01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:00.720
in this space. Honestly, in
the past twenty four hours, that was

1163
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:03.840
abundantly clear that that is happening from
a lot of different angles. So I

1164
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:09.239
think I at least sympathize with Devin
Gray in that way that I think that's

1165
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:13.279
going on in general. That's something
that's been kind of been swrolling around anyway,

1166
01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:17.920
So I think, again it's I
want to see I would like to

1167
01:13:18.079 --> 01:13:23.479
I would like to get mister Faraoh's
comments further and see what he was really

1168
01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:26.000
saying. And obviously he's probably gonna
have a lot to say about this.

1169
01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:28.520
I don't know if he'll say a
lot about it in the next week,

1170
01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:33.359
but at least it seems to me
that he was under the impression that his

1171
01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:41.279
involvement was not as he wasn't as
involved as I think he wanted to be.

1172
01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:45.039
And I think the other statements are
saying that there's really no involvement to

1173
01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:47.159
be had here, or that he
ever thought or if he thought he was

1174
01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:50.800
ever involved, that he really wasn't. Yeah, So this is why.

1175
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:55.479
And we'll get some if you have
questions here, I have some start and

1176
01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:58.279
if you if you have any other
questions, we'll kind of get to it

1177
01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:00.840
before we get out of here.
Shit, we've had great like seventy five

1178
01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:03.239
people. I think we had as
much as eighty people watching at one point

1179
01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:05.319
here, So you know, thumbs
up, leave your questions here, we

1180
01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:12.000
tackle anything before we get out.
Yeah, there's been And again I partially

1181
01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:15.920
blame you know, this December twenty
first, I partially blame the delay from

1182
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:20.079
you know, September and kind of
any meaningful announcements. I partially blame just

1183
01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:24.399
I think people being home and having
time kind of on their hands right now.

1184
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:28.359
But there's been a lot of kind
of jockeying for positions right now.

1185
01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:32.720
And that's why, like you know, sometimes and I get and and got

1186
01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:35.680
we got to put the things up
right away, and we gotta just do

1187
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:39.840
that, you know, And I
do do the shorts, and they trademark

1188
01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:42.479
you not a football league or whatever. Like I get all this stuff,

1189
01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:45.520
but like sometimes you really got to
take a second and hopefully we've at least

1190
01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:48.840
done a little bit of this today
of like at least walking through kind of

1191
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:53.720
where everything came from, kind of
the different motivations with all that stuff.

1192
01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:58.600
I have no motivation, honestly,
except just kind of informing and having fun

1193
01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:00.439
and kind of communicating with the people
that I do. Like we talked at

1194
01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:04.119
the top, this certainly isn't a
money rich endeavor here, but you know,

1195
01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:08.000
like the people I get to interact
with and being able to talk with

1196
01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:10.399
Andy, that's kind of like my
thing, and making sure everyone's on the

1197
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:13.279
same page, like thoughts on this, and then we'll get to questions.

1198
01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:16.479
But like just we're really prone to
this, Like we got to run online

1199
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:19.319
and post a second anything comes out, and I just I want to make

1200
01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:23.359
sure that you know, if anything, this was a kind of a step

1201
01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:25.840
back from that to that. I
mean, that's the thing. People are

1202
01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:29.119
just drawing the car before the horse, and they are also just trying to

1203
01:15:29.119 --> 01:15:30.720
get out out of it, because
again, I don't think a lot of

1204
01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:35.039
people know what's going on, and
they want to I guess supply some sort

1205
01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:40.159
of reassurance, but I think that
just causes more chaos and it just creates

1206
01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:42.720
a lot more confusion at the end
of the day. Like Devin Gray was

1207
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:45.600
saying about the the UFPA statement,
I mean I felt the same way about

1208
01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:48.680
any news that's really been coming out
about this. It just it doesn't help

1209
01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:51.800
people, and it really doesn't help
people who are in are really in the

1210
01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:56.279
know of what's going on, not
like you and I and the group chat

1211
01:15:56.359 --> 01:16:00.359
are really so tied into I mean, we're trying to be as in as

1212
01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:01.680
possible to know what's going on.
Even for us, it's hard up for

1213
01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:06.600
us to keep up. How do
you think people feel that their livelihoods are

1214
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:10.279
here at stake? As far as
what are they trying to get out of

1215
01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:12.520
this league and what, you know, what's their future going to be?

1216
01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:15.960
They don't know. So I think
putting out that kind of information is reckless

1217
01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:20.720
and it's harmful and it really hurts
people who actually need the correct information,

1218
01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:27.119
and you're just causing more just I
mean, more headaches, really for people

1219
01:16:27.159 --> 01:16:30.720
to deal with and trying to figure
out what's what's next, and it really

1220
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:33.560
just causes a lot more stress in
this situation. I think you've made a

1221
01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:38.199
great point where it's you know,
my life is fine, your life,

1222
01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:41.560
you know, your professory and wedding
videography, and here, you know,

1223
01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:45.800
I say, for the the industry
collapsing, like my life's good. You

1224
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:47.239
know, we're kind of blessed at
this point, you know, to be

1225
01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:49.960
able to do this, and I'm
glad that your work is picked up as

1226
01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:53.039
well, that we're able to kind
of do this for fun, right,

1227
01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:57.279
But it's the people they need to
know, right, It's it's the people

1228
01:16:57.319 --> 01:17:00.000
that are involved, either on the
league level as a play or staff,

1229
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:03.239
you know. And I talked with
Mike today and like people are you know,

1230
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:06.600
are people feel like they're being lied
to or people feel like they're getting

1231
01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:12.159
the full picture? Like this kind
of stuff helps really muddy that, like

1232
01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:14.319
you said, even more, and
like I promise you here, if I

1233
01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:17.880
pull up like Scoobies, like the
nineteen thousand impressions that Scooby got on us

1234
01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:25.199
and then whatever stories like it's not
worth the cloud bro again, if this

1235
01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:29.319
ends up being great and that's awesome
and if you're trying to do But when

1236
01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:31.800
they tweet, is how's this for
a source? Sa Ja Broni's like that

1237
01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:35.359
to me does not read as I'm
trying to educate the masses, because there's

1238
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:40.079
a lot of confusion. This is
like I'm trying to one up everybody and

1239
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:44.720
post what I have again could be
accurate. I just to me, the

1240
01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:48.479
intention there feels very odd and that's
kind of where I'll leave that. And

1241
01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:53.000
also just like I have this information
no one else does. Well, again,

1242
01:17:53.079 --> 01:17:56.760
we've seen this information changes very quickly, so one it may not be

1243
01:17:56.840 --> 01:18:01.079
that accurate in a matter of moments. Two ye, it's it's just sort

1244
01:18:01.079 --> 01:18:04.520
of flexing and saying that you have
a source that other people don't have,

1245
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:09.600
which if you're a player, I
hope you do. I mean, like

1246
01:18:09.680 --> 01:18:12.479
you were, I would help you
have it. Yes, I hope so

1247
01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:14.960
too. But again I don't know
if a lot of players do in the

1248
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:16.439
situation, I don't think a lot
of them have it. If you're if

1249
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:20.239
you're holding that and just posting out
there, why aren't you communicating that within

1250
01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:25.159
your own I don't know your own
group. First, I I don't unless

1251
01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:34.840
you have. I don't that that
sort of level of self self inflation doesn't

1252
01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:40.079
really serve anyone besides the person who's
posting, which again, ah, I

1253
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:42.600
know it's to where a lot of
people do that, but like that's that's

1254
01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:46.600
doesn't I think the intention maybe that
school scoo right was going for in terms

1255
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:50.399
of informing the public. Again,
I don't think that really it had the

1256
01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:55.039
intended effect that he wanted it to. And even though I I know a

1257
01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:58.720
sort of tongue in cheek again,
I do not believe that I actually served

1258
01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:01.800
the narrative and actually created any sort
of clarity for anybody going forward. No

1259
01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:08.520
questions here, we'll get out here. Question GJP, Danny and the Rock

1260
01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:11.439
even so part of this league.
From what I'm told, they're part of

1261
01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:14.800
the rollout, a big rollout coming, and that's I certainly give it.

1262
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:17.199
In the indication Danny's off of Twitter, which has been interesting, and I

1263
01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:20.279
don't know if that coincided with all
of that, but she's no longer on

1264
01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:24.119
there, still busy, I mean, she's the only one that's posted anything

1265
01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:29.000
about this finalization of the merger.
Well, she had that really quick thought

1266
01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:31.600
on Instagram that she sent out as
far as oh, yeah, well you

1267
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:35.520
have kind of emergency coming on and
yeah, sounds great. Didn't really go

1268
01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:39.720
into it very any further than she
already needs to, you know, I

1269
01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:43.479
think she's already trying to prepare her
pr statement as far as the Rock goes.

1270
01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:45.760
I mean, look, you know, the Rock is kind of like

1271
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:50.079
a really nice action figure that some
person almost you almost treat us like a

1272
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:53.359
collector's item. You put it in
the box and you don't want to take

1273
01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:56.720
it out until you want to show
it off to your friends. And I

1274
01:19:56.720 --> 01:19:58.920
feel like that's kind of how it
is with this league, where they're going

1275
01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:00.720
to tell them like, hey,
you know what, don't say anything,

1276
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:02.840
just you know, we'll let you
know what you what statement you have to

1277
01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:05.399
put out, or like with you
know what you need to say, and

1278
01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:10.279
like they're they're gonna use them when
when they have everything figured out. He's

1279
01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:12.680
not gonna be at the forefront of
this. He's of course he's involved,

1280
01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:14.760
you know, he's part of the
ownership group, but he's not going to

1281
01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:17.880
say anything until he's prompted on it. Russ Brandon's the guy who's in in

1282
01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:21.119
the weeds right now. Trying to
figure out what's going on. And so

1283
01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:25.800
I don't think there's gonna be any
words from Danny and the Rock until this

1284
01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:30.520
is really solidified. I think people
assume that when you don't talk, you're

1285
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:32.399
not involved. I mean, that's
not necessarily the case. I mean,

1286
01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:35.600
if that were the case, then
people would say Rodger Goodell is in the

1287
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:40.800
commission of the NFL anymore. But
you know that's not true. He just

1288
01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:43.640
doesn't talk as much because the owners
do a lot more of the talking than

1289
01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:47.079
he does in some ways. So
that's I don't think that should be confused

1290
01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:50.880
with them not being involved anymore.
It's just they have their own way of

1291
01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:56.720
communicating the message once the message is
solidified, which again we've gone on for

1292
01:20:56.760 --> 01:21:01.800
the last hour saying it probably isn't
and again this just speaks. And I

1293
01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:05.000
was trying to kind of explain to
Dorothy last night because I like, I

1294
01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:08.239
was thankful to actually have to go
work yesterday. I'm like, I'm so

1295
01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:11.960
glad to get out of the house. But I'm like every single time,

1296
01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:16.159
like the point of this merger,
right is we're it's the United Football League,

1297
01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:20.920
like the So now this is you
know, I'll call this the third

1298
01:21:21.359 --> 01:21:25.159
halftime. You know, there was
the initial thing of hey, we're intending

1299
01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:27.960
to merge. There was that we're
in the finalizing merger, and then there's

1300
01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:30.640
this which is not official, but
well, you know this has an asterisk.

1301
01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:34.359
Like the first time. There was
eight different messages that were sent out.

1302
01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:38.680
The Union had a different message,
the USFL season ticket holders had a

1303
01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:42.560
different message, the XFL season ticket
holders, the XFL you know, the

1304
01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:45.640
official statement from XFL like it just
it should not be that, you know,

1305
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:47.760
And we have a lot of comments
here, you know, Scott and

1306
01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:50.359
everyone asking like do you think March
thirtieth, You know, it seems like

1307
01:21:50.399 --> 01:21:54.960
they're not ready to go. There's
too much going on, Like you got

1308
01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:58.720
to get this unified message together,
and to me it feels like bde we

1309
01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:00.600
got too many egos in the room
and trying to figure this out. Maybe

1310
01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:04.239
I'm wrong, maybe I'm reading this
totally wrong, but I like, you

1311
01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:09.399
got to get at least the communications
figured out here that if anything, should

1312
01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:12.000
not be the challenge. There's a
lot of other things. Well, I

1313
01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:15.119
mean that was my fear going into
the mergers. Can you really combine these

1314
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:18.279
ideologies? And that was my argument
months ago saying that I didn't think it

1315
01:22:18.279 --> 01:22:20.960
would ever happen. As I told
on your show before is I didn't think

1316
01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:24.159
it was going to happen because I
never thought they would be able to come

1317
01:22:24.199 --> 01:22:28.159
to the table and agree on anything
because they operated so differently. And I

1318
01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:30.319
still there's shreds of that going on
here, and that they don't really know

1319
01:22:30.359 --> 01:22:35.439
what the consistent messaging is, which
again leads me to my next point in

1320
01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:39.039
that I know this is a bit
retrospective and this is kind of a what

1321
01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:41.960
have showed a could a moment,
but I'm I still just can't help it

1322
01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:48.000
sit here thinking what if after after
COVID, after what happened after that when

1323
01:22:48.079 --> 01:22:53.039
they when the Rock and Danny decided
to buy the league and they got it

1324
01:22:53.159 --> 01:23:00.279
out of bankruptcy. I don't understand
why Fox specifically was so adamant about not

1325
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:01.840
coming to them and saying, hey, we see that you're trying to get

1326
01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:04.520
this leak back in up and running. We really enjoyed the idea of spring

1327
01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:10.720
football. Let's work on maybe bringing
back some other entities or ideas, And

1328
01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:14.279
instead they decided to just go gun
home and say, well, we're going

1329
01:23:14.319 --> 01:23:17.119
to start the USFL I mean that
to me, out of all the announcements

1330
01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:21.159
read and I know it's sort of
a retrospective moment and it's not really on

1331
01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:26.479
topic, but like, I can't
help but just trace this exact moment when

1332
01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:30.079
the day I woke up and I
read the news that the USFL was coming

1333
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:32.439
back. To me, out of
all the information and all the news,

1334
01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:35.920
out of all the leagues that we
have covered and talked about in the last

1335
01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:39.960
three years, to me, that
is still the most random thing that happened.

1336
01:23:40.039 --> 01:23:43.920
I just literally woke up and thought, why. And I'm sorry to

1337
01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:47.760
all the people who enjoy the USFL
and everybody who's had fun watching it.

1338
01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:53.560
I've had fun watching it. I've
enjoyed the players, and I've enjoyed getting

1339
01:23:53.560 --> 01:23:56.960
acquainted and really learning about the history
of the USFL too. I mean,

1340
01:23:57.000 --> 01:23:59.800
that's the thing. It's been a
history lesson for me, really getting adequated

1341
01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:02.439
with the people. I mean,
we've talked to like players from the back

1342
01:24:02.439 --> 01:24:06.079
in the eighties, which is awesome, that's so cool. But I could

1343
01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:11.960
literally could not understand at that moment, why now, what's going on with

1344
01:24:12.039 --> 01:24:15.079
this? And I can't help but
think what if Fox had turned heel and

1345
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:18.920
like an alternative universe if they decided
instead to try and collaborate with Danny in

1346
01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:23.680
the Rock at that time and try
to bring it in a Spring league instead

1347
01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:27.119
of now where both of their backs
were up against the walls financially. And

1348
01:24:27.159 --> 01:24:29.960
you can argue all you want about
the USFL, they're not doing this if

1349
01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:32.600
they don't, if they're not doing
this, if they think that they're striving,

1350
01:24:32.720 --> 01:24:35.119
that they think they're thriving, they
would have waited for the other league

1351
01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:40.880
to die and it didn't happen.
And so I can't help but think what

1352
01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:44.119
would happen if they actually just came
together in the first place and done this.

1353
01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:46.119
That really is just gonna be the
biggest what if I'm always going to

1354
01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:50.640
think about instead of where we are
right now. Some comments here are seeing

1355
01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:53.960
that like I said, new member
today, be a member of that.

1356
01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:56.319
It's fine. I like, you
get that little thing next year and in

1357
01:24:56.359 --> 01:24:59.000
there and said, that's cool.
I recided about itself the top and I

1358
01:24:59.039 --> 01:25:00.680
think one of the most trains I
heard a the Reughnex players get like go

1359
01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:04.720
gamblers take over the Roughneck name.
She says to me. The Reughnecks team

1360
01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:10.600
will obviously be known this the Great
Defenders or sorry, great that's that's like

1361
01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:15.560
Mike with the Fugaze Guardians, you
know, the Fugazi Orlando Guardians, David

1362
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:18.039
Fox, all the USBL stuff they
got, super coppery David. If you

1363
01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:24.640
if you want a journey, go
back. We chronicled that was my favorite

1364
01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:30.319
time ever podcasting ever, was talking
with Michael Cohen, our Beverly Hills ip

1365
01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:32.760
attorney. And then when he couldn't
do it, when Tim and I got

1366
01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:35.880
that Tim guy and he was like
on vacation in Hawaii and he's talking to

1367
01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:40.159
me about copyright lot David go back, you you do it. I just

1368
01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:44.479
google Mark Cast, you know,
the Law and Order un of all the

1369
01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:47.359
XFL stuff, some other comments here. I have so many stars on here.

1370
01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:51.800
We'll do this. Zach, longtime
listeners, Zach, Hey, Zach,

1371
01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:55.720
remember what you said? Hey,
are you doing the show on Thursday?

1372
01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:58.520
I said, you know how rumors
go? Do these guys even know

1373
01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:00.439
what they want to do? It
seems like they would if it had an

1374
01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:03.439
announcement right after the government approved the
merger was the reason for the hold up.

1375
01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:08.720
Things were going to be terribly messy. But this is another level and

1376
01:26:08.760 --> 01:26:11.920
then they think we have a lot
of these like do you think March thirtieth,

1377
01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:14.680
Andy, what's your over under March
thirtieth today? Because I've been asked

1378
01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:19.680
that a lot over under. I'm
gonna be honest, I think it's gonna

1379
01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:24.479
happen on March thirtieth, but it's
just gonna be really discombobulated and all over

1380
01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:26.920
the place, because that's kind of
how they've been running this whole thing the

1381
01:26:27.039 --> 01:26:30.840
entire time. Like I said,
they're going to operate it. I feel

1382
01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:32.880
like at the pace that they're going
out they're gonna operate is if they just

1383
01:26:32.920 --> 01:26:36.000
are gonna do it not on a
shoe string budget, but like kind of

1384
01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:39.760
a fly by night proposition, which
is I've said in the past, like

1385
01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:43.640
they're just going to say, hey, here's then announcement, but we're doing

1386
01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:46.439
this draft in about two days,
Okay, Now we're gonna have training camp

1387
01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:49.520
out a week or you know,
maybe two weeks. Like I feel like

1388
01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:53.560
everything's just gonna come out matter of
factly, as if it had been there

1389
01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:55.760
the entire time, and it had
been in the know the entire time,

1390
01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:59.439
and it's just gonna be really quick
information and it's gonna be force fed in

1391
01:26:59.439 --> 01:27:03.800
that way. I do believe in
that date despite everything else that we've discussed

1392
01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:08.399
in the past hour and a half. But I just think it's going to

1393
01:27:08.479 --> 01:27:11.640
be so last moment, and to
me, again, that's a disservice to

1394
01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:15.359
trying to bring back people into the
fold. I do believe if you're talking

1395
01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:19.600
about it over under, I think
the betting terminology would be push because I

1396
01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:25.760
think it's literally going to be at
March thirtieth. No, yeah, Tanner,

1397
01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:28.039
here, do you think there was
to play all along Usabelle starting that?

1398
01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:31.720
No? I think Fox was.
The XFL did really well for Fox,

1399
01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:35.319
you know, regardless of everything to
happen with COVID and it went away,

1400
01:27:35.359 --> 01:27:39.960
and I think Fox rightfully thought like, if we can run this league

1401
01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:42.960
and own it outright, that there's
a lot more of a benefit there than

1402
01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:45.479
there is to pay in another league, you know, the operating, if

1403
01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:48.640
we can do everything in house,
you know, I was just gonna say,

1404
01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:51.439
it's like Scooby do like and I
would have got away with it too

1405
01:27:51.479 --> 01:27:55.239
if it wasn't for having to have
fans in the arena, you know,

1406
01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:59.279
in the stadiums and having to market
in city is kind of all that.

1407
01:27:59.439 --> 01:28:01.640
I'm like, I think, if
I think if Fox had rolled out XFL

1408
01:28:01.720 --> 01:28:05.479
business plan, you know, move
either do the eight Cities or the hub

1409
01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:09.039
of the eight Cities, I don't
know if we would have been in this,

1410
01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:12.279
but it was the Hub and it
was the disaster of that that led

1411
01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:15.359
into the US and the XFL is
changing of their original you know, their

1412
01:28:15.439 --> 01:28:18.479
original plan of doing the hubs.
But no, I mean I think Fox

1413
01:28:18.560 --> 01:28:20.920
could have got away with it too, but they you know, things,

1414
01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:26.960
things change. Well. The really
the monkey wrench here, I still think

1415
01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:30.960
is the Brian Woods involvement, especially
with the TSL, because, like the

1416
01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:33.239
TSL is something that did not have
to be played in front of fans.

1417
01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:36.279
As strange as it was. I
mean, at first I just chalked it

1418
01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:40.159
up when the TSL was going on
at the end of twenty twenty and twenty

1419
01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:43.119
twenty one, I just chalked it
up as well, you can't have fans

1420
01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:45.680
in the stands, so this is
fine for now, just play in front

1421
01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:48.760
of nobody. But as time went
on, I started to really recollect on

1422
01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:51.079
it, and especially in the past
season, I thought, you know,

1423
01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:55.720
I get the idea of the TSL. It was really just a player development

1424
01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:59.880
league in most truest form, and
it really was just that for people like

1425
01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:01.920
you and I and Evan and people
who work at player development, that's really

1426
01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:05.760
what it was. And I think
that's great as far as just getting people

1427
01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:11.199
reps and tape and being able to
get people to know coaches and connections in

1428
01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:15.920
its purest form for a football enthusiasts, that's a great league. In terms

1429
01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:21.600
of an entertainment and enterprising, capitalistic
venture, that's not something that really works.

1430
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:26.159
And I think the problem is that
the USFL, this iteration of the

1431
01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:29.640
USFL, really tried to tread water
and do both. And I don't think

1432
01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:31.880
they could try to do both because
that's not how it works. People want

1433
01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:35.359
to be entertained, whether you like
it or not. People have to have

1434
01:29:35.880 --> 01:29:39.800
excitement, they have to have noise, they have to have involvement, they

1435
01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:43.840
have to have people sitting in the
seats watching the game. Like that's just

1436
01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:47.399
how it is. I think they
tried to kill two birds with one stone

1437
01:29:47.960 --> 01:29:51.880
and it didn't work. Like they
tried to kind of they middle ground.

1438
01:29:51.880 --> 01:29:56.640
It have your cake way too much
exactly, and that I don't think that

1439
01:29:56.840 --> 01:30:00.119
is the right approach, and it
clearly showed just based on the metrics of

1440
01:30:00.199 --> 01:30:03.479
what they were trying to accomplish.
So for me, I think that was

1441
01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:09.359
its biggest mistake in trying to playcate
both. You can talk all you want

1442
01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:12.000
about how it doesn't matter who cares
if there's people there, Well, guess

1443
01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:14.359
what it does matter. When it's
a TV product, it matters. And

1444
01:30:14.399 --> 01:30:18.239
if you're selling it as a real, authentic football league that's not just predicated

1445
01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:23.960
on player development, then yes,
you need to have some sort of entertainment

1446
01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:26.399
aspect with it. That's just that's
the end of the day. You have

1447
01:30:26.479 --> 01:30:30.319
to have that. And I think
that that was really its biggest mistake,

1448
01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:36.279
and so that's why why not either
a just go full board with the Spring

1449
01:30:36.319 --> 01:30:39.600
Football League and just be like,
hey, let's just do this and have

1450
01:30:39.640 --> 01:30:44.840
a product on TV just to sell
that and sell the advertisers. Fine,

1451
01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:46.439
great, then did you save a
lot of money that way? Awesome,

1452
01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:50.560
Then you're really saving money that way. Or go the other direction with the

1453
01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:54.000
XFL and say, hey, that
was really fun. I think we should

1454
01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:57.000
really try to have eight teams in
eight cities and try to do that again,

1455
01:30:57.039 --> 01:31:00.760
because that really seemed to be a
viable thing really want to try and

1456
01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:02.600
do that. Choose one or the
other, don't try to choose both.

1457
01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:05.159
I think that's what they tried to
do, And this is kind of what's

1458
01:31:05.159 --> 01:31:08.760
happening right now if they're trying to
choose both, and I don't think it's

1459
01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:12.279
going to work. Yeah, well, and it's both sides, right,

1460
01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:15.119
it's Fox and XFL your red bird, like neither one, Like we don't

1461
01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:18.159
really want to devote a lot to
this, like what can we get you

1462
01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:21.199
know, what can we get by
like just kind of you know, I

1463
01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:26.560
said that for a year and a
half with all the USFL stuff, like

1464
01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:32.520
it's the least amount of effort all
the time. And XFL it's similarly with

1465
01:31:32.640 --> 01:31:36.159
money and things. I think they
put in more, you know, maybe

1466
01:31:36.199 --> 01:31:40.520
more creative with their resources in terms
of utilizing the social nod of that.

1467
01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:44.199
But this always felt to me like
USFL and EXCEL both like the least amount

1468
01:31:44.199 --> 01:31:48.720
of energy. I will say,
I will say, when is this,

1469
01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:51.199
Oh, this is a good comment
I'll bring up in a second. I

1470
01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:57.159
will say I was mocked, Andy, I was publicly mocked when I said

1471
01:31:57.199 --> 01:32:00.199
the USFL the whole time should just
call them the Star the Stallions, the

1472
01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:05.680
generals. You know, it wasn't
it wasn't the jousters of anything. No

1473
01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:09.760
no city names. And then now
we wouldn't have had that big of an

1474
01:32:09.800 --> 01:32:12.920
issue because you could have had whatever
doing that. I just YG has been

1475
01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:15.479
putting a lot of stuff here.
But I love Duncan when I can't you

1476
01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:17.640
usbo's goal was to get into home
margarets. They had four last year.

1477
01:32:18.119 --> 01:32:21.880
I don't know which which of the
Canton teams was was a home team?

1478
01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:26.680
Do you know, Andy, do
you know what to know? I think

1479
01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:29.560
they had three home teams, and
then I think they had a hub team,

1480
01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:32.000
which I mean, you tell me
which I guess whatever the closest state

1481
01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:35.720
would be, or a city which
Pitts fur from. Yeah, it was

1482
01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:43.319
ninety minutes for I like, I
live in Olympia. I live in Olympia.

1483
01:32:43.600 --> 01:32:46.479
Again, cool idea, But why
do you have to assign cities immediately

1484
01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:49.800
when they were created? Like that's
I think I still to this day,

1485
01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:54.119
I think they should have done just
the eight just eight teams. Yeah,

1486
01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:57.640
I think they should do eight teams
and then after the fact say hey here's

1487
01:32:57.680 --> 01:33:00.760
your city ward. We're awarding New
Orleans a team we're rewarding Birmingham a team

1488
01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:05.279
we're exacting. Yeah, this the
the idea of selling a team with a

1489
01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:09.760
city name and not actually playing in
the city is just bizarre. It's just

1490
01:33:10.039 --> 01:33:15.279
it doesn't like it doesn't sell,
you know. And I had and I've

1491
01:33:15.319 --> 01:33:17.720
had friends tell me this, Like
I've had casual friends who I told asked

1492
01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:19.960
them like, can you you want
to watch this or like, you know,

1493
01:33:20.039 --> 01:33:23.239
are you watching this or are you
looking at this team? And they

1494
01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:26.840
just said, it's really weird.
It's really weird not having that city that

1495
01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:31.119
played that team in my city playing
at this time. Jacob has a question

1496
01:33:31.159 --> 01:33:33.880
here. Do you guys think the
league is stupid enough not to rebrand the

1497
01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:39.520
Gamblers or the Rednecks run with the
Gamblers? You know, it's he's I

1498
01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:42.760
think that we talked off the top. I think he play Kate the four

1499
01:33:42.760 --> 01:33:45.560
and four and you want to keep
it on there. But I don't know.

1500
01:33:45.720 --> 01:33:51.479
Mike tweeted yesterday it's not decided.
Jason Ganela, the lead XFL VP

1501
01:33:51.560 --> 01:33:57.039
of ticketing operations, retweeted it so
like, obviously that's a that's something the

1502
01:33:57.159 --> 01:34:01.079
XFL wants out there. I don't
know. I think that said, that's

1503
01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:05.039
kind of quite the smoke job.
If you try to do that. Well,

1504
01:34:05.079 --> 01:34:08.600
again, it's fully a fast one, right, It's it's it's like

1505
01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:12.399
removing the ruggunner from underneath your feet
if you're if you're doing that, if

1506
01:34:12.399 --> 01:34:15.279
you're just gonna either swap names or
what we talked about earlier is just having

1507
01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:18.439
the same name but completely different players
and coaching staff. Again, it's like

1508
01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:25.319
just selling something completely different than what
you advertised just even months ago. So

1509
01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:30.199
I don't really I don't get the
wishy washings of this. Just pick a

1510
01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:33.119
team, pick somebody, just send
them over. Just do it, but

1511
01:34:33.239 --> 01:34:38.439
don't try to you know, don't
try to sell it as if like one

1512
01:34:38.479 --> 01:34:42.640
team is exactly the same as it
was before or they had they had been

1513
01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:45.319
here before. Like if you're going
to replace the Roughnckt coaching staff with the

1514
01:34:45.319 --> 01:34:49.840
Gambler's coaching staff like that and sell
it as the Roughnecks, that just doesn't

1515
01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:54.880
make sense. Let me know,
any other comments here will wind down.

1516
01:34:54.920 --> 01:34:59.640
I think we've done pretty good talking
through all of this stuff. I just

1517
01:34:59.760 --> 01:35:02.000
I I could go through some of
these comments. I don't want to be

1518
01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:06.039
too mean because I'm kind of in
the mood right now, Yeah, Canton

1519
01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:14.880
was going to have a team eventually
in the year twenty thirty five. I

1520
01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:19.760
guess it's sure, I guess,
but like I'm over again, right,

1521
01:35:19.960 --> 01:35:24.359
Sorry, this has been this week
and all of that, Like this whole

1522
01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:26.840
thing has just been a disaster.
But you know, if I if I

1523
01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:29.039
always said but I wanted to say, I would get in trouble. I

1524
01:35:29.079 --> 01:35:31.199
think I told the Lion. I
think I told the line pretty well most

1525
01:35:31.239 --> 01:35:34.079
of the time. What was the
name, was it Pat or Mike?

1526
01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:38.880
That throughout the name? He said
something along the lines of Canton legends,

1527
01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:45.159
legends can't gold Canton, Texas Speed
says here the Canton ant Eaters. Sure,

1528
01:35:45.560 --> 01:35:48.720
sure, yeah, I mean again, what again, why can't we

1529
01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:51.800
just create mascots? Like I think
the USFL would have had a lot more

1530
01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:55.600
fun just staying with the mascots.
Remember how much of the big deal that

1531
01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:59.920
was when they came out with the
mascots and the guy, the guy from

1532
01:35:59.960 --> 01:36:01.640
the Breakers who still to me looks
like he's out of a toothpaste ad.

1533
01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:05.319
I still can't get over that.
But you know, they they just need

1534
01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:10.359
the wave, right Dave, the
wave. I still can't get over that

1535
01:36:10.399 --> 01:36:13.840
one. But I don't. Again, the Stallion school. I like the

1536
01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:16.000
Stallion I'm like like the mascots,
like the camaraderie round it's fun, like

1537
01:36:16.079 --> 01:36:21.279
have fun with the camaraderie of the
players and the coaches and the personality of

1538
01:36:21.319 --> 01:36:24.800
the team and the team names.
That's fine, But do you have to

1539
01:36:24.840 --> 01:36:28.640
give them city names? I mean
that again, like Tampa what was the

1540
01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:30.560
whole exercise out of Tampa Bay,
the whole Bandits thing? I mean,

1541
01:36:30.680 --> 01:36:34.319
couldn't you just what if it was
just the Bandits? You kept you kept

1542
01:36:34.359 --> 01:36:38.720
the brand, and then you say, okay, well we're sending them to

1543
01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:43.199
Memphis. Yes, fine, whatever, they're the Memphis band were Because then

1544
01:36:43.279 --> 01:36:47.439
you award because the whole difference of
it is you're not moving, you're awarding.

1545
01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:51.680
You know, you're rewarding a community
because you are awarding them a team.

1546
01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:55.600
And you go, man, like, we've had great support out of

1547
01:36:55.840 --> 01:36:58.920
New Jersey and like we want to
give you We're sending the generals there,

1548
01:36:59.039 --> 01:37:00.800
or like god for bid, yeah
you have the you know, the New

1549
01:37:00.880 --> 01:37:04.000
Jersey breakers, Like, oh that
wasn't what it was in nineteen eighty three,

1550
01:37:04.079 --> 01:37:08.520
Like nobody cares like it would have
been it would have been cool.

1551
01:37:09.359 --> 01:37:13.239
We did have here. Well,
first off, where was it, Scott?

1552
01:37:13.279 --> 01:37:15.560
We have another new member. This
is cool. I have my little

1553
01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:17.359
dollar member. Should now you want
to be part of the cool kids Club.

1554
01:37:17.399 --> 01:37:20.479
Always put your comments up here.
And then we also had someone was

1555
01:37:20.520 --> 01:37:25.279
saying they should do the Canton Aviators
because it would have been nice to us.

1556
01:37:25.279 --> 01:37:30.680
So TSL it is no Aviators.
It was the Hughes. Damn it.

1557
01:37:30.680 --> 01:37:32.840
It was the Howard Hughes. And
then people weren't smart enough and they

1558
01:37:32.840 --> 01:37:36.600
made them the Aviators. It should
be the Canton Howard Hughes. Damn it.

1559
01:37:36.680 --> 01:37:40.119
That is why. Well, I
mean, wouldn't be cool read if

1560
01:37:40.119 --> 01:37:42.840
you got your Jouschers back in there
and then you had your team again,

1561
01:37:42.920 --> 01:37:45.399
you had the you have the same
jersey, and then I mean, what

1562
01:37:45.479 --> 01:37:47.199
if like Luis Perez got back on
there and then all of a sudden they

1563
01:37:47.279 --> 01:37:50.279
just said, okay, well now
we're we're we're putting this team in Kansas

1564
01:37:50.399 --> 01:37:53.279
or something like that. It's like, okay, cool, I have my

1565
01:37:53.319 --> 01:37:55.920
city, But like, who cares
about that? First let's talk about the

1566
01:37:55.920 --> 01:37:59.319
actual brand of the Jousterers, and
let's talk about I still I love that

1567
01:37:59.439 --> 01:38:01.560
jersey on it. I love I
love the purple checkerboard. It's it's unique,

1568
01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:05.279
it's it's really nothing like any other
jersey I've seen. If my hands

1569
01:38:05.319 --> 01:38:08.640
were so sweaty and I didn't have
stuff hanging in the way, I would

1570
01:38:08.640 --> 01:38:11.880
go grab right now. My favorite
thing was when I interviewed when back in

1571
01:38:11.920 --> 01:38:15.479
the day, when uh, Brian
Scott was was going to come on the

1572
01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:17.079
show, and remember all that was
going on with the Vipers, and so

1573
01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:20.880
then they set up Louis Perez and
so then I put on my Jowsers jersey

1574
01:38:20.920 --> 01:38:25.600
and I was so excited to talk
to Luis Perez, the uh you know,

1575
01:38:25.640 --> 01:38:29.000
the the Jousers quarterback, because they
the way did they win the Mega

1576
01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:31.840
Bowl? They be I lost the
lie, but I had I had my

1577
01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:35.920
thing, and like Louise was like, oh yeah, that's cool. Like

1578
01:38:36.199 --> 01:38:40.479
no, I'm like, I was
so excited to talk about this. Louise

1579
01:38:40.640 --> 01:38:45.640
like, uh nicest guy, but
certainly not the uh the uh. He's

1580
01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:49.039
very even keel, even in terms
of his excitement. It's pretty it's pretty

1581
01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:54.640
amazing that guy. That guy's just
unflappable. You know. Yeah, Max

1582
01:38:54.720 --> 01:38:56.920
here from Max, Max, where
have you been to the Max at the

1583
01:38:57.039 --> 01:38:59.640
NFL they were talking about doing the
camp bull Dogs. I'm sure they have

1584
01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:03.000
Atra Merge on that. So yeah, no, no Canton Bulldogs. Oh,

1585
01:39:02.760 --> 01:39:05.880
I'm sure they would. But then
it's okay if the Tennessee Titans where

1586
01:39:05.920 --> 01:39:09.840
oilers uniform is right in front of
Houston, and that's totally fine. You

1587
01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:14.520
know, I don't want to be
putting out calling the kettle black statements.

1588
01:39:14.520 --> 01:39:17.680
But you know, like some of
the hypocrisy and team names in sports,

1589
01:39:17.720 --> 01:39:25.000
I swear, yeah here y gef
Finlager or something andy, anything else,

1590
01:39:25.119 --> 01:39:28.960
my water is full of and I'm
my my body is full of of water

1591
01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:30.840
here thinking about we still got seventy
people. You know, he always seems

1592
01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:34.840
like it's dipping and there's like,
but anything else, any other questions,

1593
01:39:34.880 --> 01:39:41.760
anything else. This will probably be
it unless there's the miraculous super supplemental dispersal

1594
01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:45.520
draft next week. You know,
I'll we'll see. I mean, I'm

1595
01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:47.560
around, like I'm around to do
any of this stuff, except yesterday I

1596
01:39:47.560 --> 01:39:49.399
thought I had to work or I
did have to work, and I was

1597
01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:53.239
like, you know, if they
I don't believe this twenty first, but

1598
01:39:53.319 --> 01:39:56.640
if this happens, but you know, I'm around if anything happens, I

1599
01:39:56.720 --> 01:40:00.399
just don't. I don't foresee a
dispersal draft next week. Here's my question,

1600
01:40:00.439 --> 01:40:02.279
read, let's let's have a little
exercise here. I want you to

1601
01:40:02.319 --> 01:40:11.680
tell me your spring football or all
football New Year's resolution, like what do

1602
01:40:11.720 --> 01:40:15.359
you hope to see out of it
can be this league or any other league

1603
01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:18.600
in the next year, since we've
done a full calendar year of this again

1604
01:40:18.800 --> 01:40:23.319
going through this, by the way, and I want to know what you

1605
01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:28.239
are looking forward to or hoping for
in the next calendar year with all of

1606
01:40:28.239 --> 01:40:32.359
this, you know, all of
this league, all of the the entire

1607
01:40:32.439 --> 01:40:36.159
thing that we deal with, this
this realm that we deal with a couple

1608
01:40:36.199 --> 01:40:39.359
of things that now I do have
one more question before we get out of

1609
01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:41.840
here, and I might we'll see
how my bladdered does here. We might

1610
01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:44.800
have to We got people, I
mean, people are still joining here,

1611
01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:48.199
like I get you get addicted to
the to the numbers. You know,

1612
01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:51.159
I'm really excited for the Vancouver Gray
Cup and all of that stuff. I

1613
01:40:51.359 --> 01:40:55.720
I you know, cfl aside because
they were you know, and hopefully they're

1614
01:40:55.760 --> 01:40:58.439
good to ask again next year as
well. We have that the media day

1615
01:40:58.479 --> 01:41:00.039
coming up, soide, I really
hope that all works out. Uh,

1616
01:41:00.520 --> 01:41:03.760
you know, I want this to
work. I don't not want this to

1617
01:41:03.800 --> 01:41:08.560
work, and I want this to
work more so now because you know the

1618
01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:11.800
rumor of you know, the Arlington
and playing in the you know, the

1619
01:41:11.840 --> 01:41:15.920
playing in the cities. I want
that to work because obviously I want all

1620
01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:18.640
of these people and this, you
know, with the jobs and all of

1621
01:41:18.680 --> 01:41:23.000
that stuff. I just when it
was coming down, when it was we're

1622
01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:25.840
doing the Hubs and we're going to
do the you know, Foreign eight or

1623
01:41:25.840 --> 01:41:28.039
whatever it's going to be and all
that, like, that's where I got

1624
01:41:28.079 --> 01:41:30.560
really worse on because I need to
be able to buy in that at some

1625
01:41:30.680 --> 01:41:32.840
point you're going to have home field, kind of home stadium, all of

1626
01:41:32.840 --> 01:41:35.000
that stuff. So I don't know, I mean, I wanted to succeed.

1627
01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:40.720
Like I said, I think a
Birmingham Stallions versus BattleHawks championship game is

1628
01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:43.640
probably the highlight that we could hope
for. I mean, whether you what's

1629
01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:46.600
your thing, that's great. Yeah, Well, last year I think I

1630
01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:50.920
met my resolutions. I wanted to
go to an XPL game because I wanted

1631
01:41:50.960 --> 01:41:54.760
to see the league survive, and
they did and I got to go to

1632
01:41:55.000 --> 01:41:57.359
I got to go to two games. I went to an Arlington game and

1633
01:41:57.399 --> 01:42:01.279
then I saw him again the XFL
Championship game and that was awesome. I

1634
01:42:01.359 --> 01:42:03.720
going to this year. I would
love to go to the Saint Louis.

1635
01:42:03.720 --> 01:42:06.920
I'd love to go to the ball
Dome. I'd love to see a combination

1636
01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:11.680
of a USFL and an XFL team
play. Like that's just a cool concept.

1637
01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:15.640
Again, this should be a cool
concept. I know we've had a

1638
01:42:15.640 --> 01:42:18.880
lot of negative comments over the last
hour and a half, but like that

1639
01:42:18.960 --> 01:42:23.039
would be in reality, Like that
would be a really cool thing for that

1640
01:42:23.119 --> 01:42:26.880
to happen. My other resolution would
be to meet you and Vancouver for the

1641
01:42:27.039 --> 01:42:31.960
for the Great Cup and willingly enough, hopefully you get your BC lines there

1642
01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:34.479
because I think they're about due for
that. They need to be in that

1643
01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:39.239
game. Sorry Winnipeg fans and sorry
fans of the entire rest of the West.

1644
01:42:39.439 --> 01:42:42.560
It would be really cool to see
BC host that that that Great Cup

1645
01:42:42.600 --> 01:42:45.079
and just to see Vernon. Also
to see Vernon Adams junior. That's also

1646
01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:49.359
another of my resolutions. I haven't
seen him since college and I was enamored

1647
01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:53.079
with him at that time. I
would love to see him again playing in

1648
01:42:53.079 --> 01:42:57.119
the Cflgain going and actually that would
be another big one, is going to

1649
01:42:57.359 --> 01:43:00.439
just going to Canada. Going back
to Canada would be really really cool,

1650
01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:03.119
So that that would be part of
my overall resolution for next year. Yeah,

1651
01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:08.479
I mean whatever this whenever this takes
over the course of the year,

1652
01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:11.319
this podcast and everything like, we
will be in Vancouver for that game,

1653
01:43:11.359 --> 01:43:15.600
whether it's his media or a fan
like that is in stone. Whatever that

1654
01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:17.720
ends up being. If we just
buy a ticket and go and kind of

1655
01:43:17.720 --> 01:43:20.239
hang out with people, and that
that will be involved with all of that.

1656
01:43:20.680 --> 01:43:24.640
Put your New Year's put your New
year's hopes in here. We have

1657
01:43:24.760 --> 01:43:30.239
a can put stability. Year's resolution
is stability, Jared says, hoping the

1658
01:43:30.319 --> 01:43:35.479
league can actually let fans know what's
going on. Zach Here says, thank

1659
01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:38.399
you for everyone involved in this whole
thing, all of your hard work.

1660
01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:41.640
Can't say that I keep up the
one hard work for everyone that you know

1661
01:43:41.800 --> 01:43:45.000
wants to. We get a lot
of critics on here. We did.

1662
01:43:45.159 --> 01:43:49.359
However, many weeks of XFL overlapped
with USFL and then USFL and then overlapped

1663
01:43:49.399 --> 01:43:53.239
with CFL. CFL all the way
through November so I don't know if there

1664
01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:58.079
was anyone else that did weekly football
recaps from the XFL kickoff all the way

1665
01:43:58.119 --> 01:44:00.640
through the Great Cup. So I'm
very proud of that. That was everyone

1666
01:44:00.680 --> 01:44:04.159
involved with you and Pat and you
know, Evan and Jason and kind of

1667
01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:08.279
everyone else. My last question for
you, and I actually thought about this

1668
01:44:08.359 --> 01:44:12.359
earlier. I wanted to talk to
you. So the Texas thing got a

1669
01:44:12.359 --> 01:44:15.159
lot of gripe anyway, right with
the XFL. I'm like, oh my

1670
01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:17.199
god, all this Sexas stuff,
but at least you had the Vegas and

1671
01:44:17.359 --> 01:44:21.880
Seattle to kind of, you know, like justify it. Right, Well,

1672
01:44:23.000 --> 01:44:26.479
like we're here with this league with
the Texas, you know, I

1673
01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:30.000
mean there's no West, there's no
northt like, there's no any of that.

1674
01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:33.279
To me, that's a tougher selling
point at this point, right because

1675
01:44:33.319 --> 01:44:38.800
you're selling you know, these USFL
markets like Spirler Alert, like Birmingham.

1676
01:44:38.960 --> 01:44:42.760
I know, it's this isn't the
the mecca, right of that? The

1677
01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:45.199
even Vegas with cashman Field was or
whatever. So like what do you make

1678
01:44:45.239 --> 01:44:47.880
of that? Because to me,
that is an interesting point where you don't

1679
01:44:47.880 --> 01:44:50.520
have that benefit of the of the
West Coast teams. The XFL had.

1680
01:44:51.560 --> 01:44:56.920
Yeah, they're centralizing the interest and
the exposure, and that is a bit

1681
01:44:56.960 --> 01:44:59.560
of a tough sell, especially to
a West Coast audience. And look,

1682
01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:04.640
I'm no stranger to the West Coast
audience being stiff armed by bigger media properties.

1683
01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:09.760
I mean, ESPN famously just does
not really show any regard for any

1684
01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:14.279
Western properties, and especially the PAC
twelve which is now going under. I

1685
01:45:15.880 --> 01:45:17.600
just I know, that's just part
of the game. I think it's unfortunate

1686
01:45:17.640 --> 01:45:21.000
because the West Coast crowd has a
lot to offer and it should be appealed

1687
01:45:21.039 --> 01:45:25.640
to more. In my opinion,
it really should be so that I mean,

1688
01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:27.880
that's a tough sell. That was
the whole reason why I think the

1689
01:45:28.039 --> 01:45:30.840
ESFL had a harder time really appealing
to anybody west of the Mississippi because guess

1690
01:45:30.880 --> 01:45:34.239
what, there weren't a lot of
teams west of the Missisissippi. So proximity

1691
01:45:34.279 --> 01:45:38.479
is important for the XFL. I
mean, yeah, you have Texas teams,

1692
01:45:38.479 --> 01:45:40.359
and that's a big part of your
market. But now, like you

1693
01:45:40.399 --> 01:45:43.199
said, no Seattle, know,
Las Vegas, like you're taking on an

1694
01:45:43.359 --> 01:45:48.119
entire just a giant, enormous amount
of geographic location that doesn't really pertain to

1695
01:45:48.199 --> 01:45:54.079
this entire league now. So I
mean the short answer is you add teams,

1696
01:45:54.159 --> 01:45:58.239
But the long term answer is is
that viable because I don't know if

1697
01:45:58.239 --> 01:46:01.960
that's going to happen, if you're
going to try and cut costs and save

1698
01:46:02.079 --> 01:46:04.840
money. I mean, we get
we've downsized from sixteen to eight. Do

1699
01:46:04.880 --> 01:46:09.800
you think it's going back to ten
anytime soon? I certainly don't. And

1700
01:46:09.479 --> 01:46:14.159
that to me is it's going to
be treading water. But also it's going

1701
01:46:14.199 --> 01:46:16.840
to be fighting uphill as well as
far as are they going to be able

1702
01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:23.439
to keep their finances where they want
to and keep their core audience around and

1703
01:46:23.479 --> 01:46:27.960
be able to make money enough to
be able to progress forward with expansion If

1704
01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:31.359
that's even the thought process in the
future. Without the West Coast market,

1705
01:46:31.439 --> 01:46:35.680
it seems it's another challenge. It's
another task they have to deal with.

1706
01:46:35.760 --> 01:46:40.199
Now. Yeah, I think it's
tough. I think, and I talked

1707
01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:43.640
a lot with listener Seth. My
commanders fanned a lot about this, and

1708
01:46:44.319 --> 01:46:45.960
you know, he had talked going
into the season because Seth does a lot

1709
01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:49.199
of you know, research and work
in with the TV markets and kind of

1710
01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:53.800
viewership, and like, uh,
you know, it was tough enough last

1711
01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:57.399
year where you're cutting out in New
York and LA and now you're you know,

1712
01:46:57.479 --> 01:46:59.960
not that Seattle, but I mean, yeah, you're really just central.

1713
01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:02.760
And it's to me that was always
the problem with the USFL. It's

1714
01:47:02.800 --> 01:47:08.560
like some of these markets that you're
that you're in, Canton is not is

1715
01:47:08.600 --> 01:47:12.479
not a large selling market, you
know, Michigan yet like you know,

1716
01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:15.479
these aren't like they're even if they're
NFL markets, they're not. So you're

1717
01:47:15.479 --> 01:47:19.279
further kind of reducing that. I
guess this will be our last question.

1718
01:47:19.439 --> 01:47:24.239
And because this goes along with one
someone asked earlier, if we think that

1719
01:47:24.279 --> 01:47:27.880
the ratings are going to be up
this year going in with half the teams

1720
01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:31.279
getting acts and therapially theoretically a big
portion of fans being tuned off or going

1721
01:47:31.319 --> 01:47:34.520
the way, what's the chances that
the league makes less? And the other

1722
01:47:34.720 --> 01:47:39.640
The similar question was like, do
you think viewership is down going into this

1723
01:47:39.720 --> 01:47:42.279
year? Which I do. I
think I don't think that this like,

1724
01:47:43.119 --> 01:47:45.840
well it was this thing and how
like however you want to sell it.

1725
01:47:45.880 --> 01:47:49.640
I don't think that you go into
this as a as a boost of two

1726
01:47:49.680 --> 01:47:53.439
fold versus what it was last year. But what do you make of either

1727
01:47:53.479 --> 01:47:56.560
of these points. I think the
viewership stagnates, first of all, I

1728
01:47:56.600 --> 01:47:59.720
agree with you. I think it
just stays status quo with what it was

1729
01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:02.600
with both leagues. You peak out
a million probably for a good game,

1730
01:48:02.680 --> 01:48:05.600
and that's about it, depending on
what channel it's going to be on.

1731
01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:10.760
Obviously we'll just wait till the TV
ratings thing comes back. We'll have to

1732
01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:15.760
redive into that whole debacle this year. But as far as the chances of

1733
01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:19.640
it making less I think that's I
think that's a two sided question. Are

1734
01:48:19.680 --> 01:48:24.239
we talking about them making less money
or are we talking about them losing less

1735
01:48:24.279 --> 01:48:27.479
money? Because the whole shtick about, you know, the XFL losing fifty

1736
01:48:27.479 --> 01:48:30.520
million dollars and all the operating costs
and all that was made such such to

1737
01:48:30.560 --> 01:48:33.159
do, But then the USFL didn't
show their books, so it was like,

1738
01:48:33.159 --> 01:48:35.239
well, how much money did they
lose or how much money did they

1739
01:48:35.239 --> 01:48:40.840
really make because the XFL. I
think that's what's the net cost here,

1740
01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:44.479
And I think that's something that people
don't really take into account, is how

1741
01:48:44.560 --> 01:48:46.000
much money is really being put into
it, how much money is being made,

1742
01:48:46.079 --> 01:48:49.159
and then how much money is being
lost. I think there's just the

1743
01:48:49.199 --> 01:48:53.359
financial realm of it. I think
it's gonna be reduced obviously. I think

1744
01:48:53.359 --> 01:48:57.439
there's gonna be less money spent up
from the new league that the XFL spent,

1745
01:48:57.880 --> 01:49:00.880
But I think there's gonna be more
spent from the SFL side. So

1746
01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:03.800
when those two parts come together,
can they make up enough money to be

1747
01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:09.239
able to balance that out? So
I don't know if Lou like, I

1748
01:49:09.279 --> 01:49:11.800
don't know if it's going to make
less. I think it'll make less money.

1749
01:49:11.880 --> 01:49:14.359
I don't. I just wonder if
it's going to lose more or less

1750
01:49:14.359 --> 01:49:16.319
money. That's really the biggest question. How much is the operating costs and

1751
01:49:16.359 --> 01:49:19.840
how much of a detriment is it
going to be as a net venture.

1752
01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:25.079
Well, there you go. Yeah, I think it's I think it's a

1753
01:49:25.119 --> 01:49:27.640
tough battle, but I think that, you know, this is kind of

1754
01:49:27.680 --> 01:49:30.439
it. I think this is the
last stand here and I think you get

1755
01:49:30.479 --> 01:49:33.159
one two years of this, and
I think this is a merger like we've

1756
01:49:33.199 --> 01:49:36.640
talked about before, in necessity.
Like I said, appreciate everyone tuning in

1757
01:49:36.640 --> 01:49:40.399
almost two hours here, good viewership. Appreciate that, please, you know,

1758
01:49:40.439 --> 01:49:44.239
give give the thumbs up. I
always get to see helps the YouTube

1759
01:49:44.239 --> 01:49:46.760
algorithm and all of that. I'm
sure subscribe, but please subscribe. I've

1760
01:49:46.840 --> 01:49:49.760
changed it now. If we get
to thirty five hundred by the kickoff,

1761
01:49:49.760 --> 01:49:54.000
that's a big tall order by March
thirty. But with two I'll give you

1762
01:49:54.039 --> 01:49:56.439
two free tickets. Because we had
we were either going to do two free

1763
01:49:56.439 --> 01:49:59.520
tickets to the XFL kickoff or the
USFL kickoff. Well now it could be

1764
01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:01.840
the you could get to the merged
league kickoffs, so we'll do that.

1765
01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:05.159
But you know, the subscribe.
Give Andy lots of kudos. A lot

1766
01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:08.680
of work here, coming home from
work and doing all this stuff, so

1767
01:50:08.680 --> 01:50:12.840
I appreciate it. I hope everyone
merry Christmas, whatever holidays you celebrate.

1768
01:50:12.920 --> 01:50:15.560
And if we do not talk next
week, I hope everyone has a new

1769
01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:17.800
year and we'll be back. But
you know, just follow along. If

1770
01:50:18.039 --> 01:50:21.520
you hear people talking about dates and
you don't have me talking about stuff coming,

1771
01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:26.319
you know, we'll roll through this
together. I hope everyone feels informed

1772
01:50:26.359 --> 01:50:29.439
today, Andy, anything else,
no reed, Thank you so much as

1773
01:50:29.439 --> 01:50:32.159
always in a tremendous amount of work
put in by you, and another great

1774
01:50:32.199 --> 01:50:36.359
calendar. You're of doing this whole
thing, and I just want to say

1775
01:50:36.359 --> 01:50:42.520
thank you for having me participate.
I wish you and Dorothy a very merry

1776
01:50:42.560 --> 01:50:46.359
Christmas, Happy New Year, all
the above, happy holidays whatever you choose

1777
01:50:46.399 --> 01:50:51.680
to celebrate, and can't wait to
do this again. Yeah Merry Christmas.

1778
01:50:51.800 --> 01:50:56.359
Go crack in good thoughts here.
We have the Winter class that coming up

1779
01:50:56.439 --> 01:50:59.439
January first, so just you know, give some kudos there. We could

1780
01:50:59.520 --> 01:51:02.600
use that to mobile feel taken on
the Vegas Cool night, so appreciate everyone.

1781
01:51:02.800 --> 01:51:03.840
We'll see you next time. Next