WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:38.119 My name's Matt, and this is Bigfoot Crossroads. All right. I'd like 2 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:43.759 to welcome Troy and Desi to the show. They emailed me a while back 3 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:49.000 about some experiences they had while they were out in the woods, and I 4 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:52.439 wanted to get them on here and have them tell their story because they had 5 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:58.960 some experiences that were very similar to some of the things I've experienced myself back 6 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:03.719 in the day. So Troy and Desy welcome. How are you doing doing 7 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.599 well, Matt? Yeah, thanks, Matt, We're doing good. Thanks 8 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:11.560 for having us. Oh absolutely, Now, whenever I was reading over your 9 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:15.120 email, I mean, call me crazy, but I don't think you guys 10 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:19.280 were just out there, you know, camping and picnicking. I mean, 11 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.560 you guys had a purpose while you're out there. You guys come across as 12 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:30.040 maybe some bigfoot researchers. Yes, yeah, we've been. We've been doing 13 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:34.159 it for a little bit. Um. I had some spotted interest over the 14 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.799 years. Um. Really, I was more of a skeptic than a believer. 15 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:45.280 What turned me into it, of into taking the subject a little bit 16 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:49.239 more seriously was as I used to hunt quite a bit, I would had 17 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:56.200 some unusual experiences in the woods. So with that, I would go ahead 18 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:59.359 and said, Chez, you know, this stuff is kind of odd. 19 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:02.040 It's going on. I couldn't really put my finger on what it was. 20 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:08.680 And my background as I've been an engineer for many years, so for me 21 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:15.400 to look at this as a real thing, it was very difficult until that 22 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:19.560 one night. And as he can fill you in on a lot more, 23 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:25.759 go ahead does yeah, no, um mightbe my you know stories different from 24 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:30.199 trying the sense of I've always, I guess, since I was a child, 25 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:38.919 had a family that raised us to maybe think about things that are more 26 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:43.639 unique in nature, things that you don't see every day as a normal part 27 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:49.520 of life. And I had a grandfather who really invested a lot of his 28 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:54.520 life and researching different types of things that you really often didn't talk about in 29 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:59.960 the eighties, and so you know, he was really devoted to learning about 30 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:07.599 ghosts and aliens and sasquatch and see creatures and you name it. And he 31 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:10.560 would tell his stories about things that he had read and the purpose of him 32 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:16.400 just really wanting to know what the world already, you know, are holistically 33 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:22.120 consisted of, aside from the things we just take for granted. And that 34 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:25.400 always stuck with me and a few of my family members and we never really 35 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:31.039 shook it. And I never had, you know, an experienced grand as 36 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:37.520 a kid that made me think this creature may exist. I've had other experiences 37 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:39.560 that they really piqued my interest, but it was one of those things like 38 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:45.800 it never really lost a range of focus in my mind, and it kind 39 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:49.840 of hung on to me and I wasn't really quite sure. But it was 40 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:57.080 very difficult to find people that wanted to research, learn and invest their time 41 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:01.800 into something like this, and so unique nature of this field really makes it 42 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:08.560 difficult to find others like you. So when you do come across people that 43 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:15.479 consider this as a possibility or a reality, you hold onto them, especially 44 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:18.079 to get along with them. So, yeah, my story is a little 45 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:21.319 bit different than Troy. It is more of how I was raised and to 46 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:27.639 be looking at the world differently. I think it's good that you guys have 47 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:31.879 different backgrounds and different origin stories whenever it comes to this topic though, because 48 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:38.519 it allows you to look at things from different perspectives, and in this situation, 49 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:43.720 especially where you know, you guys had what sounds like to me a 50 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:48.759 big foot encounter where you're both experiencing the same thing at the same time, 51 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:55.519 but you have those different trains of thought in ways that you go about problem 52 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:59.879 solving and analyzing the situation. So that can be really helpful. And you're 53 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:04.759 absolutely right whenever it comes to this subject matter, it is hard to find 54 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:11.439 people that share this interest without just seen as a big joke or a waste 55 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:14.839 of time, you know, because a lot of researchers do spend a lot 56 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:18.519 of time and money out of their own pockets, you know. And I'm 57 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:24.839 sure you guys know all about that. How did you How did you end 58 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:30.000 up at this location? Why? Why were you there? Exactly? It 59 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:35.040 was interesting because I had gone to because of my experiences, I said, 60 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:38.480 you know what, I think I got to dig in a little bit deeper. 61 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.319 So I had gone to a conference, a big foot conference, and 62 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:47.759 I actually ran into Desi there and we kind of talked about it, and 63 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:56.040 there was we started going out to just checking different areas out, and there 64 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:58.879 was this all of a sudden, she called me one night, she goes, 65 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:01.600 you know, hey, you want to take a rundown to this area 66 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:06.600 and check it out in areas in the Green Swamp in Florida, And yeah, 67 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:10.040 sure, Yeah, let's let's go. And we went out there. 68 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:13.839 What does what time was it that we went out there? Possible? So 69 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:16.920 I think we started on the trail at five thirty am on a Friday. 70 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:24.959 Yeah, yeah, Friday. And it was one of those things where I 71 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.120 decided randomly and like maybe it was, hey, I need a I need 72 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:30.600 a break from work the next day, or I can't shake some of the 73 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.800 other things I really want to learn more about, and so I thought, 74 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:40.720 maybe I'll take Friday off and let me just see Schroy's available, and you 75 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:44.720 know what happens. Chance he was, And I mean we had the trip 76 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:49.439 was planned easily within you know, twelve hours. It wasn't like we have 77 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:55.120 this slated for you know, a week a month. It was completely random 78 00:06:55.120 --> 00:07:00.439 because usually our experiences when we go out, I'm they're very planned the course 79 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.839 of action. So yeah, it was, um, it just happened to 80 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:10.040 be possibly a lucky morning. Yeah, we think it was a lucky morning. 81 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:15.040 It was. It was we ride at the location that are stuffed together. 82 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:18.920 We went out onto the and actually I had I had night basing from 83 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:23.120 you know, from hunting, right, so I always bring that along. 84 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:28.199 And we went out. We hit the road, Um take it takes to 85 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:30.680 me about an hour to get there where to take you about the same does 86 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:34.319 Yeah, she's an hour fifteen twenty minutes that early in the morning. It's 87 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:39.720 it's pretty smooth, silly, right. Yeah. We're right there, um 88 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:44.480 again, loading up our equipment in our back in our back backs and then 89 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:48.279 we hit the trail. It was a dirt road and we were out there 90 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.279 and and Matt, you kind of hit it on the head. The different 91 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:59.839 perspectives as far as identifying what could be something unusual or not. Dad's heard 92 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:03.720 whistle. She heard a whistle, and I'm blowing that off. I'm like, 93 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:05.879 you know, I've been hunting for years. You know that's a that's 94 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.920 you know, I don't even listen those things, right, And I've actually 95 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:16.360 changed my perspective because I have to start listening to the to the smaller things, 96 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:20.439 a little things. And she stopped me and she goes, I hear 97 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.000 whistle, and I'm like, ah, that's that stopping right my hunting things 98 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:33.039 right right. And we go further and we hear it again, and this 99 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.519 time I hear it nice and clear, and I'm like, holy Caldy, 100 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:41.879 you're right that's and it's a single whistle. It's not it's not harmonic, 101 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:46.320 it's not it doesn't have a rhythm to it. There's there's nothing bird related 102 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.960 to it. We've heard whipper wheels, we've heard owls out there, a 103 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:58.679 lot of different things, and this was just totally unusual. We went down 104 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.320 the road. If you want to jump into a jazz and kind of tell 105 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:07.639 what what what your perspective was, Oh yeah, absolutely so I agree with 106 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:13.759 you trying what Matt said about having two different um perspectives coming into it, 107 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:18.679 two different sets of eyes and ears. They really do, especially that moment 108 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:24.039 which I think really just take started, you know, our our dynamic together 109 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:28.039 with each other and heightened it so much further from that that morning on. 110 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:33.080 But they were different, um, you know, and and you know my 111 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.799 thought was I assumed another person was in the woods. So I I described 112 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.200 it as that sound like a human whistle to me. And you know how 113 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:46.480 you call a dog in or you're just goofing around and it'said, you know, 114 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.159 short, short, little whistle like he said, no rhythm, no 115 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:56.240 cadence. Um, it did not sound melodic and didn't not any birds I've 116 00:09:56.279 --> 00:10:01.000 ever heard out there at that time of day, very quiet it. Um, 117 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:05.320 yeah, I think it was still dark. Yeah yeah, still dark. 118 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:09.000 Um. I really thought the reverent people in the woods. And it 119 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:13.360 was odd because where the whistles have come from is a very dense section of 120 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:16.159 the swamp, and a lot of the swamp is very dense and very sick. 121 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.200 They forgot to get through terrain in the day that were less than the 122 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:24.879 dark. And so you run through that series of okay, well, our 123 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:28.120 cars were the only ones in the parking lot, okay, real quick, 124 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.320 and then you're processing that are we are we? Are we in harm? 125 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:35.559 Like it's somebody else out here? Like we came at a bad time, 126 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.879 you know, like, yeah, there's the element of surprise, but the 127 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.480 fear that's said in at least for myself, because I didn't know if we 128 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:46.840 were in danger. That's where my mind had gone. Now, if it 129 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:52.240 was one or two whistles in that moment and nothing else happened, then I 130 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:56.679 know both of us be on the same We play on the same had the 131 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:58.720 same perspective. Okay, that was probably a bird we never heard, or 132 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:03.879 an insect we've never heard, something unique, and then you move on from 133 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:09.639 it. But it didn't, like Troy said, it kept getting more crystal 134 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:15.480 clear. It was you know, it became so prominent that it it felt 135 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.720 like the signaling something or someone. Did it seem like it was actually coming 136 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:24.159 closer or was it in the same location this whole time? This first set 137 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.799 that we heard was in the same location, but it seemed like every whistle 138 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.679 got louder, and it definitely got louder, and it was moving. And 139 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:41.440 the interesting thing that blew me away was that as the whistles moved, it 140 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:46.799 stopped whistling from where it was originally located, so the whistles were kind of 141 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.039 following us. There was at one point we stopped. I broke out the 142 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:56.159 night vision. I had an old Gen one x X military right, so 143 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:58.519 I broke out the night vision. I'm looking around. I don't see anything. 144 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.879 Night visions okay, it's it's not perfect thermal so much better. Anyway, 145 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.799 I didn't see anything. So we sat this one location, maybe I 146 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:11.840 don't know, three or four minutes. We heard a couple more whistles the 147 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:16.519 kick we got up. We kept on going. As we rounded the corner, 148 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:22.720 the whistles not parallel with us, and where we originally heard the whistles. 149 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.120 There was no more whistles here, so it had moved parallel to us. 150 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:33.480 We continued a little bit further and if I'm missing something, does go 151 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:39.559 ahead and jump in and there something good. Okay, there's a point where 152 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:46.840 I'm looking with the night vision. She's got her green head lamp in her 153 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:52.159 in her hands, kind of hanging down from her left hand, and I'm 154 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:56.679 looking with a night vision out and there was a crack, snap, and 155 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:01.879 a whistle and it was it was again. Lot is actually probably just north 156 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.360 of us parallel. I'd say about seventy five to one hundred yards, that's 157 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.080 what I estimated. And I hear it. I'm like, that can't be 158 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:11.799 a bird. There's no where this burden following us. And then it cracks 159 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:18.320 something like that, and it's dark. It speaks dark. So at the 160 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:22.519 same time she says to me and she goes, try, what's this? 161 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:26.279 And I turned around and at that point my life changed. There was a 162 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:35.679 footprint, air footprint in the sand on this on this dirt road, and 163 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:39.039 I'm like, I can't believe this. I was dumbfounded because now the reality 164 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:45.399 strikes that this could possibly be something. Yeah, right, exactly. I 165 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:50.679 was. My logic that I use was totally gone at this point because I'm 166 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:56.200 like, holy cowders, this just could be something as we and I it 167 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:00.639 does jump and I feel like I'm talking a lot here. No, I 168 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.039 love hearing a dock because like, this is the ultimate goal of those that 169 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.679 believe. It's the things that others may have not at one time. So 170 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.360 this is what we It totally converted me at that point. There's this footprint. 171 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:16.000 So we're looking at this footprint, and I say that as that's it. 172 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:18.399 We're not going to be moving far from here today. Our thing is 173 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:22.039 over. Really, we put our equipment down and we start looking for others. 174 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:28.919 We end up finding thirteen footprints at that location and they met as we 175 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:33.919 measured it. It was six and a half inches long three occussionally three and 176 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:37.600 a half inches wide, did not have the human shape that we normally have 177 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.519 with our arch and our foot. It was a flat foot and you could 178 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.039 see where the tis actually dug in and pulled the stand up, so there 179 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:52.480 was motion to it. Uh, there was. We through all the possibilities, 180 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:56.519 Oh could we be could somebody go out here and there's we're in the 181 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:05.360 swamp. There is not swimming areas nearby. The nearest house is probably five 182 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:09.360 are miles away. Now the road at this point, I think we're about 183 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:13.120 a mile from the main road, and of course that's that's going through the 184 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:18.879 middle of the green Swamp area, the middle of the green Swamp area, 185 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:24.440 so we're looking at the semi goring. We're just dumptown it and you can 186 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.960 probably hear to my voice I sometimes I just can't explain it. We measured 187 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:35.039 the tracks. There were thirty six and a half inches in stride heel to 188 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:41.600 heel. I'm sorry, step heal to heel seventy seventy inches approximately sixty seven 189 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:46.679 point five seventy inches the stride right foot the right foot. The angle of 190 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:52.879 date was very narrow. I would say maybe one degree to degrees. We 191 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:58.799 took all the measurements. We took all the measurements in the what's the last 192 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:08.159 on the um U, I can't remember anyhow, it's a displacement between the 193 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.720 right foot and the left foot, and it was almost zero, might be 194 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:17.360 an inch or two might all the criteria of what we would say a big 195 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:22.879 footwear date. And that totally blew me away. DESI, I mean, 196 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:29.080 what what was your initial thought process whenever you look down and saw this, 197 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:36.720 you know, the thing the jump definitely jumped out the most was the way 198 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:41.279 the toads had had dripped the trail, and the trail like you know, 199 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.320 try Saint's you know, it's it's a type of afforda trail. So for 200 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:49.200 us, um sand and shell. Uh, you know, it is not 201 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:53.840 very deep. I think what the end underneath of this trail's like play substrate 202 00:16:53.919 --> 00:17:00.480 or something like that. So it's very difficult to leave six impressions. We 203 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.920 rarely see boots on the trails because it's it's just not that type of material 204 00:17:03.920 --> 00:17:07.319 that's easy to let you know, the lenk something behind And so that jumped 205 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:12.440 out of me. And everything had happened so fast up to that point, 206 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:18.160 so I think there's like that series of um, you know, oh my 207 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:21.759 goodness, is is that really what that is? And if it is, 208 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.240 where are they at right now? They watching us? You know, they're 209 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:30.880 curious creatures, They're they're probably watching us. Um what are we missing as 210 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.559 we look down? You know, like what are you doing that moment? 211 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:38.640 Because you can't freeze time right and um, I could not I honestly could 212 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:42.680 not believe it. I couldn't believe the whistles after we had first heard them, 213 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:47.880 and then when they followed us up the path, I couldn't believe it 214 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.319 was still they were a paralleling us, but they were in an area that's 215 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:55.319 very difficult to get through, and we didn't hear any motion. We heard 216 00:17:55.400 --> 00:18:00.680 nothing breaking, you know, branches or palmettos or salt grass. It was 217 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:07.599 just that crack and that the crack snaff and the whistle that really that's when 218 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.640 you spot. Yeah, that was like the last thing we had heard that 219 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.359 had any type of motion to it when we would have seen that first. 220 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:21.640 And what was interesting was that man, the whistles continued on. They didn't 221 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:26.680 stop once they continued on and passed us, so we could hear them further 222 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:29.880 to the west, because they were heading from east to west further to the 223 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:37.279 west, and we left out one part or couldn't take out. The tracks 224 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:41.279 came up and the track that the desert spotted was the last track. The 225 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:48.559 other ones had turned around and gone back the other way. So what we 226 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:55.039 were thinking was the adults or the adult was in the woodline. I don't 227 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:59.000 know what they're doing in the woodline, whether they were hunting or just moving 228 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:02.880 through it. And the juveniles, the tracks that we spotted were on the 229 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:07.680 road, goofing around or plane or whatever they were doing. Once the whistle 230 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:11.119 started, they turned around went the other way, and that's why when we 231 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:14.920 followed we went further west we found more tracks. We ended up finding I 232 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:19.200 think a total of nineteen tracks total, tracks coming east and then tracks going 233 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:26.400 west, and the whistle continued west. So we believe that there this was 234 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:33.000 after hunting heat season. We believed that the juveniles were coming east towards the 235 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:37.519 towards the adults. Adults saw us come in. When they contact with them, 236 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.680 they were whistling, and then they turned around went the other way, 237 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:44.960 and the adults went by us and met up with the with the juveniles. 238 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:52.279 At some point, it was just the whole thing was just mind boggling. 239 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:56.359 At that point, it was very difficult to the process. I was going 240 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:02.559 to ask where all the tracks that you found from the same individual. Yeah, 241 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:06.799 So they were two different sets of tracks, and they were identical in 242 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:10.880 length and width in both of the first set. In the second set, 243 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.240 now, we did come across what we believe we're not sure. It looked 244 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:19.960 like there was some knuckle tracks. And originally I got and I heard knuckle 245 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:25.680 tracks, and they we only saw maybe two of them. And I thought 246 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:30.119 knuckle tracks when when a neighbor or would run on their knuckles, I thought 247 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:34.200 it was the actual knuckles. But it's actually the fingers, right, the 248 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:40.440 first joint of the fingers hitting round. Yeah, and there was actually what 249 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:42.960 we saw was that when we saw the tip of the thumb where the thumb 250 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:49.519 would go on the side. Somebody we had showed some of the photos of 251 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:55.599 the tracks to another person and they had seen the They believe that they see 252 00:20:55.640 --> 00:21:00.119 a smaller track that Stewart. I don't know whether it's you know, I 253 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.960 have to start seeing some stuff in the stand, things start looking like track. 254 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.200 There wasn't nothing of an impression for me to say that that was a 255 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:11.200 track and name the same belt, you know, the only one got picked 256 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:12.480 up by the other one. They turned around, they went the other way. 257 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:17.559 I don't, I don't. I don't buy into that yet. It's 258 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:22.519 there's too much to believe that that happened. But who knows, you know, 259 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:26.119 who knows. But I can definitely tell you those were tracks were there. 260 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:30.640 They're heading east and they went back west. The whistles continued west and 261 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:36.319 we stayed there and measuring all those tracts, and it was just absolutely amazing. 262 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:41.240 I was just gonna say, what makes the whole scenario of heading towards 263 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.920 us and then turning background even more compelling is there is a moment of transition 264 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:52.160 on that trail. So you saw are we saw stuff shuffling marks. So 265 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:57.319 the pair heading towards you, and then there was a shuffle where they transitioned 266 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:02.160 to went the opposite direction. Wasn't just like they stopped, turned around went 267 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:07.440 they Actually there was motion that was presented as well within that whole area, 268 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:11.160 and that I mean to me, that made it extra special. And we 269 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:14.720 were able to see that easier because the way it kicked up the sand and 270 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:21.079 shell and brought up a darker consistency of the trail that was highlighted compared to 271 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:26.200 the rest of the trail because it was dug up. Earlier, you mentioned 272 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:33.119 when you came around the curve in the trail this track, it was after 273 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:38.079 the curve. How far after the curve do you think you were out of 274 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:42.160 sight of the juvenileland? Then as you approached this curve, the adults may 275 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:47.799 have realized like, hey, they're coming towards that curve, let's warn it. 276 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:52.799 Yes, yep, that's what we think happened. Yea, yeah, 277 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:56.319 distance wise, I mean, what would you say, Troy? From that? 278 00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:02.119 The second set of whistles that we heard for probably the more dominant um 279 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:04.559 alerts of like, okay, if they're still on there, they need to 280 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:10.720 go. I mean, there's they play everything so safe right in there, 281 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:15.880 so strategic and where they present themselves. So my mind immediately thought the first 282 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:21.640 set is what signals to them to make a change, But um, maybe 283 00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:25.440 that wasn't. Maybe like there's humans down here, but you're okay. And 284 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:29.119 then when they saw we made a left and we didn't make it right because 285 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:33.440 where the trail beers to the leftist curber we're talking about, we would have 286 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:34.799 the option to go to the right, but it was it was more of 287 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:40.079 a um, you know, it's not as well maintained trail, so that's 288 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:42.440 a little more difficult in the dark. But um, maybe that was the 289 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:48.359 final call. Possibly, yeah, that could have been. But we were 290 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.880 also thinking that, well, where they're distracting, that's initially in contacting the 291 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:56.559 other ones with the whistle because it stopped us. We stopped twice on that 292 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:00.960 on that road. We stopped once because we heard the whistle. We discussed 293 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:03.680 it, and then we went up further. Then we heard it prominent, 294 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:08.240 and then we stopped for three or four minutes as they came up and paralleled 295 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:14.599 us. And then we continued on and they continued paralleling us. And at 296 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:21.319 that point that's when we found that track, after the final before after we 297 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:26.359 found that the track, and we didn't move any further that that final crack 298 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:33.680 and whistle there at that location. We're stopped at that point, and as 299 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:40.680 the whistles continued further west, we were working on the tracks and we were 300 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:45.480 using that green headlamp, and without that green headlamp, and without us being 301 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:49.839 that at night, I'm not sure we wouldn't seen those tracks because as the 302 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:55.799 light came up, we started losing the tracks in the light because with the 303 00:24:55.839 --> 00:25:00.000 green headlamp we get shadows. We had shadows there at night, so as 304 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:04.519 the light came up, you got flooded. The shadows disappeared, and it's 305 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:08.000 very difficult to spot the tracks. That sounds very difficult, but it was 306 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:12.000 difficult to spot the TLAs. You could have easily overlooked them had it been 307 00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:18.440 daylight, absolutely, no question. Now question plus, Matt, you have 308 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:25.559 these wildlife management trucks, service trucks that go down this trail um maybe just 309 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:29.839 to check on the environment how many times a day? So anything that's on 310 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.279 there, more than likely if it didn't leave a mark or a track, 311 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:37.559 it gets destroyed by these trucks. Now, is this an area that has 312 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:41.880 like a history of big Foot activity? Yeah, so the Green Swamp itself, 313 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:48.920 there's like one hundred, one hundred and ten thousand acres of swamp, 314 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:55.759 and then the entire um, you know, like the around the entire dimensions 315 00:25:55.920 --> 00:26:02.240 is fibering sixty thousand acres of wetlands. So monkst that area. I think 316 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:10.960 big Footmapping project has nine I think different accounts, ranging from fightings to audio 317 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:17.599 so you know, per square mouth to me, in my opinion, based 318 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:19.400 on a lot of our things, I've learned in this state, and I'm 319 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:22.799 not originally from here, so there's still a lot of learning to do us. 320 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:26.960 That's a nice amount, and we've had people tell us things and they've 321 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:30.839 never reported it. So those nine are the only ones that are been reported 322 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:37.039 either through the bfr O or directly the big Foot mapping projects. So you 323 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:45.880 know, proximity the protected land that arrogetsive with a lot of precipitation, just 324 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:49.559 like those of the state does itself. That is, you know, outskirts 325 00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:53.079 of where a lot of people live. You know, I think there's a 326 00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:56.839 lot of factors, the wildlife, all of that kind of point to that 327 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:03.119 would be a safe place to reside, especially when it's not hunting season. 328 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:07.880 And this location that you were at, was it just a situation where you 329 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.880 were just like, hey, I think this might be a good spot to 330 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:17.160 go. That's a really good question too. So there's like one, two, 331 00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:22.079 three, four, it's like easy, four or five different trails to 332 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.359 go through the Green Swamp and one to State Park has several trails over there, 333 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:30.200 but this one was one I always favored. So when I had started 334 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:36.240 going out and hiking. You can get to this trail through an entry that's 335 00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:41.000 it's like the main entry point in a city in Pascal County, and that's 336 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:44.839 where a lot of people go. It's it's the main main site. There's 337 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:48.160 pavilions up there, picking tables, um, a lot of people go up 338 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:51.440 there and just start to hike that way. Where we catch up with this 339 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:55.240 is on the back end of it, where not many people go. It's 340 00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:57.680 like I said, you'll have surface workers come through. There'll be some people 341 00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:03.039 there, but it's very minimal track compared to the managerm So I always like 342 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.079 that because of the privacy, the low key nature, the lack of people 343 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:14.359 being there, it presents a lot of opportunity for wildlife to thrive. Honestly, 344 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.079 there is a pond there. It seems to be the largest pond in 345 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.319 the green Swamp that would probably naturally bring in a lot of things just in 346 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:27.319 general. So I always just had that as one of my most promising spots 347 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:33.519 with research that I was doing and recommendation that occurred from other big footers of 348 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:38.400 a place to go. And I think leaning up to that moment for me 349 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:42.000 and then us as a team, that really solidified us. That solidified to 350 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:45.400 us that this was a place to be, not knowing that's what we were 351 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.759 walking into that morning, but that's why you do it. You are get 352 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:53.559 into it hoping something like that happens. Right the green Swamp historically, yeah, 353 00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:59.640 you know, well known in the Bigfoot world as a prime habitat. 354 00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:06.160 Look, lots of stories come from the Green Swamp. I remember whenever I 355 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.480 first started getting involved, I used to hear people talk about the Green Swamp 356 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:14.559 all the time. There's a couple older, prolific researchers, you know, 357 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:18.359 from the area that the Green Swamp was kind of their stomping grounds, and 358 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.799 uh, you know, I wanted to talk about for a second. You 359 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:30.519 know, you mentioned the Bigfoot Mapping Project, which is a great resource for 360 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:34.920 researchers especially, But I just had a conversation this past week with somebody on 361 00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:45.000 Facebook that was looking for information about Bigfoot sighting locations in eastern Texas, and 362 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.200 I was kind of taken back because I was just like, well, you 363 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:51.279 know, this was a researcher, and I was like, well, yeah, 364 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:55.319 there's tons of information about eastern Texas. I mean, there's a lot 365 00:29:55.400 --> 00:30:00.920 of researchers, there's a long, long history of sightings. I didn't, 366 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:04.000 you know, why are you asking? And they were just talking about how, 367 00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.759 well, there's not really that much out there, and so like I 368 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.720 went to the BFR ro roal Fast and there's like, you know, I 369 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.359 don't know, we were two hundred and fifty sightings from Texas recorded on the 370 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.960 BFRRO and then the Bigfoot Mapping Project has a bunch and everything, and I 371 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.680 just got into this conversation with them about you know, well, as a 372 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:27.200 researcher, you can't completely depend on sighting reports. You know, they're they're 373 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:32.039 a nice resource, but you kind of have to do the legwork. You 374 00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.599 got to put boots on the ground and get out there and investigate areas on 375 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.880 your own and kind of figure out where to go, which sounds like is 376 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:44.119 exactly what you're doing. But as far as the numbers and the concentration that 377 00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.279 you were talking about being good numbers in that area of the Green Swamp, 378 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:56.960 I agree. One people don't really stop to think. You know, most 379 00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:03.079 of the time the people that have bigfoots are skeptics. It's not the researchers. 380 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.759 Where are the tiny minority of sightings. It's people that you know, 381 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.400 see one crossing a road or encounter one while they're out camping or hunting, 382 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:18.599 and then they have their world rocked, everything changed in an instant. Most 383 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.960 of them don't have the presence of mind to then rush home and get on 384 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.880 the internet and search out a research organization that takes sighting reports and fill out 385 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.480 the forms and everything. And then if they do that, then it still 386 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.519 has to go through the whole process and it may or may not ever get 387 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:38.519 published on the internet. I would say we would be lucky to maybe get 388 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:45.720 even ten percent of the actual sightings documented and found on the internet, and 389 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:52.000 that may be a very generous number. What are your guys's thoughts on that? 390 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.680 I do you hit the nail on the head into Naden not don't interrupted 391 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:01.880 chice, No, no, you're good said. We went to a conference, 392 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:07.000 well, I mem I went to a conference just recently, a couple 393 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.039 of week times ago, and Jeff Meldourne was there, and he was talking 394 00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:15.720 about formulae. He uses. Part of the formulatives he's forming like populations, 395 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:20.759 and part of the formulas is he uses number of secret sightings, b fr 396 00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:24.880 O mapping project things like that. And we were standing around talking about the 397 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.119 footprints that that that me and Jazz had found a sighting from another gentleman. 398 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:34.640 I know somebody else that finds foot prints and this is all you know, 399 00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.200 and they've never been reported and here we are, you know, three or 400 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:44.839 four people sitting there with sightings, footprints, things like that, and they've 401 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:50.039 never been reported. So he came up with a number, and let's dog 402 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:52.799 your ten percent, like you said that was approximately what was it seventy eight? 403 00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:57.680 I think it was does is that right in Florida? That's right, 404 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:00.680 That's where he came up with, Well, we got to multipply that. 405 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:07.559 We multipply that by what mine or ten at least, so you're looking at 406 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:14.400 a lot more population here, and what's what's suspected about there? Yeah, 407 00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:21.079 and Meldrum's the red are the data points he used and they all make good 408 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:27.519 sense where he's an inte intelligent man, like just brings so much to the 409 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:32.359 field. And I feel like we're going to be really really behind on having 410 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:37.920 scientists that support or contribute or even listen to what you have to say. 411 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:44.039 Um, after he moves on to anything else or moves on to another life 412 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.160 per se. But um, what he used, I mean, it all 413 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:52.200 makes good sense. He used precipitation, he used force cover, wildlife back 414 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:58.799 black bear population, the sightings, um, and I'm like you missing one 415 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.039 or two Like there's a uh, you know, there's a proximity the closest 416 00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:07.200 city or cities it all, it all makes really good sense. Um, 417 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:13.920 but yeah, that lack of reporting and for one of a thousand different reasons 418 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:19.239 that you mentioned that the fear, the uncertainty. Uh, nobody wants to 419 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:23.960 be ridiculed. I mean, it's it's the it's the truth, you know. 420 00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:30.320 And um, for us that that have these opportunities to get out there 421 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:36.039 is sometimes as often and unfortunately sometimes infrequently we can't get out there. Um. 422 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.159 You know you're looking for all those things that set those experiences apart from 423 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.119 your your typical hike in the woods, and that is from you know, 424 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:50.519 experiencing that that area of getting so comfortable with it, geting comfortable with the 425 00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:54.719 wildlife, even incomfortable for the things that you hear when you can't see them. 426 00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:59.800 Um, you know that's all. That's all part of that journey. 427 00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:05.360 But then you know, researching things and reading and listening and finding people to 428 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.639 share these experiences with that you trust and value, and that is tough. 429 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:14.599 That's that's a tough part of it. But every little piece that you give 430 00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.639 to others and what you get in return just continues to help you learn and 431 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:25.639 grow and build this knowledge base of this field that is just so uniquely amazing 432 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:34.599 and addicting, super addicting, very very addicting. Sometimes I wish I never 433 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.840 saw the tracks, because ever since then, you know, there hasn't been 434 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:44.920 i'd say, waiting a moment where I haven't been thinking about big Foot, 435 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:50.119 researching big Foot, thinking about the experiences that we've had after that, because 436 00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:57.119 we continue our research in that area and expanded about further and further we're pursuing. 437 00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:02.159 Actually currently, I came across um some whistles and then that we that 438 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:07.239 were very similar to what we had heard before. And I can't nail it 439 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:15.119 down to a bird. Um does I've give him? Does the recordings? 440 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.239 She can't nail it down to a bird. She was out there with us 441 00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.960 were we went out there a daily day and we heard the whistles again. 442 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:30.800 And the interesting part about about these whistles is that it's in another area very 443 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:36.840 close, and they have they keep on moving away. So for example, 444 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:42.639 I encountered the film it at one location south of a of a of a 445 00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:49.840 pond, and he moved further south. I keep on going out there looking 446 00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:54.480 for tracks through more whistles, and actually heard two soft knocks in that area. 447 00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:58.239 What I mean by soft knock is that it's knock, but it's very 448 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.960 soft, and it's it's kind of unusual because normally you think you get it 449 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:07.480 nice crisp knock, but it seems like, you know, I'm using my 450 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.000 imagination and I believe, and I have to be still careful because I don't 451 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:15.280 want to get sucked down that hole because it's easy to do. But logically, 452 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:20.599 I felt like the soft knock and the whistles, they're communicating with each 453 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.519 other, and I think by me entering your area, they keep on getting 454 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:30.719 pushed further south and south. And then it stopped. I hadn't heard whistles 455 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.559 for what was it does three or four months like that? Yeah? Usually, 456 00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.199 yeah. And then we went through we got to the south side of 457 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:43.000 a swamp. We were kind of stuck at the swamp for thing at the 458 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.519 time, thinking that they're in there somewhere. We got through the south we 459 00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:50.599 got through the swamp to the other side, and all of a sudden, 460 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:57.559 we start hearing the whistle again. And it's the same style, very short 461 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:05.800 Chris whistle and multiple locations. And for that just to happen and the stop 462 00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:10.239 to me, that's not a bird. I wouldn't know of any animal, 463 00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:15.079 a bird light that would just kind of have whistles all of a sudden, 464 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.400 from all of a sudden, three or four different birds start whistling together, 465 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:23.360 and it's a single whistle, no no harmonics, no no rhythm to it. 466 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:30.519 And then they stop. And that's the bizarre thing. Maybe it's something, 467 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:32.480 Maybe it's a bird that we just don't know. Is it just a 468 00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:42.519 single tone, a single tone short? And it's multiple locations, And I 469 00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.760 would think that a bird would continue with some sort of melody, some sort 470 00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:51.199 of rhythm, but no, it doesn't. And the odd thing is is 471 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.599 that whether the whistles are at first encounterable, they're not. I don't hear 472 00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:58.719 the whistles there at all anymore. And they keep on moving in the direction 473 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:04.400 I'm kind of when I come in further and further away from me or the 474 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:10.159 areas that I'm I'm working, I'm looking and go ahead. I was gonna 475 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:15.119 say this, don't forget to mention too. In addition to you being a 476 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:20.360 wild life photographer, so you spend a lot of time in the woods photographing 477 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:25.000 and taking videos, you also submitted that audio to a respectable you know, 478 00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:31.239 gentleman in the audio realm of this research, and his response it was interesting. 479 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:35.599 Yeah, his response is, and and here we are. I'm four 480 00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:39.320 miles out, middle of nowhere, right this area that mean dees are and 481 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.519 we're in the middle of nowhere. And he comes back as, Oh, 482 00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:49.480 it's mechanical. It's mechanical. But I get it. It's just like melodrome, 483 00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:52.840 and you know, you have to take information that you're given and look 484 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:58.320 at it for what it is. But it's not mechanical. There's no way 485 00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:01.400 to mechanical. And the other thing on top of it is that it's some 486 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:07.400 sort of animal bird. I don't think it's saying kind of an animal I've 487 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.039 ever heard, but the close that you would have to be a bird or 488 00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.000 a big foot has to be one or the other. But why would a 489 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:21.119 bird give up an area because you're in there all you're in there walking through 490 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.679 I've never heard of a bird give up an area. They're usually go back 491 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:29.719 in the after leagues you're running through them again. But these things move, 492 00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:36.480 and they moved what was that half mile quarter a lot more further than quarter 493 00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.840 mile, It steady half mile to a mile now and the most recent time 494 00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:45.360 we were out there as well, which unfortunately we got stock in a very 495 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:50.840 very severe pop up storm that was not planned. We would have been out 496 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:55.159 there. Can happen? What's that we're doing that overnighter? Yeah, yeah, 497 00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:59.599 we were really attempted to do anothervernighter. We got washed out. But 498 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:05.159 um that that night was the first night that I heard them in person, 499 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:09.519 had only heard them based on his recordings, and they did. Um. 500 00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:13.679 If it is a bird, it's bird's fly fast. We get that. 501 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.400 Um. So from one point to the next that could happen, but it 502 00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:22.679 was just so unique of how quick it happened in several different locations in this 503 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:29.199 area. As she's explaining that we're pushing possibly pushing this creature a bird or 504 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:35.480 bird family for their direction, but they were spot onto what he recorded that 505 00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.440 I had never heard of before. Yeah, I was. I was getting 506 00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:43.800 concerned she wasn't there. She wasn't believing me at some point because I she 507 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:45.840 go out, there wasn't me and there wouldn't be a sound anymore. That 508 00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:51.119 the listles weren't there. And this once we broke through the swamp back to 509 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.639 the other side, the whistles were there. So I was just I was 510 00:41:53.800 --> 00:42:00.679 very happy that she got the hero. I was just gonna say, Troy, 511 00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:07.639 I got your back, man. I mean, you know, there's 512 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:13.760 a lot of people talk about whistling. It's something that I've specifically encountered numerous 513 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:22.400 times. And there's certain things that are attributed to these creatures where I require 514 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:30.079 very specific situations before I'll entertain the thought that it might actually be related to 515 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:37.840 them. For instance, treebos. I don't pay attention to treebos unless they're 516 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:43.639 pinned to the ground by something and it was placed there specifically, and I 517 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:47.920 can't figure out an answer, and there's no possible way that the tree grew 518 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:52.840 that way or anything like that, which a lot of trees do grow that 519 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.920 way. There's a lot of things that can cause treebos. But another thing 520 00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:04.199 is the whistling. And I won't entertain whistles unless they are a single tone 521 00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:09.920 whistle like a person would whistle. There's only so many birds that live in 522 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:15.599 that area where you guys are at, where you guys are going, and 523 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.800 of that list of birds, there's only so many birds they're going to vocalize 524 00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:23.639 at nighttime. Birds typically don't do that because then they tell predators where they're 525 00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:28.880 at. So most birds roost down for the night, they don't make any 526 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.800 noise. There are a few exceptions to that rule, but the amount of 527 00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:38.400 birds that will be vocal at nighttime goes down significantly, and then it's just 528 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:43.239 a matter of you know, going and listening to those bird calls. And 529 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:49.400 if you can't find the solution, then that whistle has to be at least 530 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:52.880 a possibility that it's not a bird, which means, okay, well what 531 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:59.239 else can whistle? A human or as we suspect, bigfoot. And I 532 00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:04.119 can tell you now the situation that I've been in where I was paralleled by 533 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:12.679 something that was doing a single tone whistle repeatedly within thirty yards of my position. 534 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:16.760 Forty yards of my position. It wasn't nighttime yet, it was dusk. 535 00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:21.960 It was getting very dark, but there was still daylight left, and 536 00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:25.440 I could not see what it was. And it definitely was not a bird. 537 00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:30.880 It definitely was not a person. I would have seen either one of 538 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.239 those. At some point, the bird would have had to a fly between 539 00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.440 the trees and I would have caught it flying. A person would have had 540 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.840 a walk between the trees. I couldn't see anything, and there was anything 541 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:46.960 over there, but woods that's just a personal experience I've had with the single 542 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:51.800 tone whistle up close. And then there's been other times whenever I've heard recordings 543 00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:55.320 of them, I've been with other people and we've heard them. So yeah, 544 00:44:55.440 --> 00:45:00.239 I would say that, you know, based on the behavior, which 545 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:02.800 is this is something I tell a lot of people. It's not just a 546 00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.519 whistle. It's the whistle with the movement, the location, the limb cracking, 547 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:13.000 the finding of the tracks, all of that together paints a picture. 548 00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.800 And that's what we're looking at here, not just is this a bird. 549 00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:22.800 Absolutely, I told Matt, I totally agree with you. And we took 550 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:28.960 what was over a month, thirty forty five days trying to debunk all of 551 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:34.760 this. The footprints, I mean we in research, we preferred researched shoes 552 00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:39.480 that had the toes on them. Yeah, yeah, and they all have 553 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:45.199 they all have a tread tool, you know, and these things were flat. 554 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:50.239 It was a flat foot and there's no tread, and you could see 555 00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:55.599 where the toes had had actually worked and dug in so that that was eliminated. 556 00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:00.840 And we went through a lot of different scenarios and the measurement. We've 557 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:05.679 been looking at the age of the measured or grand tie. I've measured my 558 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:12.480 grandkids foot. You know, he's he's four years old, foot is six 559 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.880 months is long, right, And now we're thinking, okay, so there's 560 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:21.760 a toddler out there running around, there's no way. Yeah that has a 561 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:30.400 three foot step. Yeah, I mean I if I took a big step, 562 00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:34.280 it would be three feet, you know, that's exactly. And I've 563 00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:38.280 got a size thirteen. So yeah, I think that's one of the more 564 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:42.760 impressive things about it is actually, you know, the size of the foot 565 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.320 in comparison to the stride, because in my opinion, that rolls out of 566 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:51.840 human at that point too. Yeah, all of those things wrapped in the 567 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:57.079 one. I mean, that's entire experience from start to finish, and then 568 00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:01.599 the period of time afterwards that you're a grouping and determining um. But this 569 00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:07.920 legit happened like that entire thing is that, aside from seeing one that's part 570 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:13.760 in my opinion that that's probably as good as asks where we were at that 571 00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:22.039 time, and it was beautiful and scary and just everything in between those two 572 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.800 words. And when we do say we researched and we try to disprove it. 573 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:30.119 I mean, we were reading articles about chimpanzees that we're losing. We 574 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:34.559 were looking how close Over Springs was to that area that they make their way 575 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:39.840 south. Could that have happened? You know, everything, everything you could 576 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:47.199 think of. Because we owe what UM to everyone before us. We owe 577 00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:52.960 it's everyone after us. We owe it's you mad, all the hardworking podcasters 578 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:57.199 and people that dedicate their lives to something that we don't ever really know in 579 00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:00.639 this lifetime we may come across, but we owe it to them to not 580 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:07.400 put something out there that we're not quite sure maybe what we're hoping it will 581 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:09.880 be. UM. It's it's just not how, it's not how you work. 582 00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:14.360 Right. If you care about this as much as the three of us 583 00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:19.280 do, you you do due diligence because it's it's the best thing, the 584 00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:24.559 most respectful thing to do in this community. Because we want to we want 585 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:29.840 to support this research as positively as we can. We don't want to go 586 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:34.400 backwards, you know, we don't. We don't want to, you know, 587 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.119 start all this over again. It just doesn't make any sense. And 588 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:43.000 your comments about the tree bows and structures and things like, we're on the 589 00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:45.639 same page. If you. I mean, we live in Florida and a 590 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:50.320 hurricane season half to damn the year hair. You know, you trees are 591 00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:55.039 blown over all the time. Things are doing really weird things, and you 592 00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:59.360 can't say that stuffs legit something else if you didn't see some people do it, 593 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.079 or you can't figure out a reason of why that happened, that's natural, 594 00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:07.519 right. And on top of that, I would be for personally, 595 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:09.800 if I find some sort of tree structure, it better be very big, 596 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:16.000 very heavy, and it better have footprints underneath it. Without that, I'm 597 00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:20.000 going to have a real hard time because there's so many times a tree will 598 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:27.199 come down, or a couple of trees who will intersect some way. You 599 00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:31.480 just can't arenactually going to take for it. That's like the last thing that 600 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:35.679 I go to. I mean, even like these whistles, you know, 601 00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:39.800 we're still don't know what they are. These whistles that that we're currently choosing, 602 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:44.119 we don't know what they are, the whistles that night. We have 603 00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:47.800 evidence that kind of links them together, we have the movement that links it 604 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:52.159 all together. But what we're chansing now, we're hoping is a group. 605 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:59.639 We're hoping that it's a small family unit that tree of fort different people and 606 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.719 at three or four different big foot in it, and that we can eventually 607 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.639 you know, make contacts somehow and get some video or photos or that. 608 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:13.880 I mean, that's that's that's the goal, to prove it and see it 609 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:19.599 for ourselves. So now that you've had this experience and you've found these tracks, 610 00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:24.079 and you've heard these things, and you've you know, I think correctly 611 00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:29.519 reached the decision that yeah, this was a big foot. It probably was. 612 00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:32.159 But what what's the next step? Where do you go from here? 613 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.199 Well, I can tell you that as we started off this conversation earlier tonight, 614 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:43.920 the amount of time that that that we have invested has gone up expidentially. 615 00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.039 The money that we've done on it has gone exponentially. You know, 616 00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:52.519 we have a ton of equipment now. We go out at night, we 617 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:58.400 go out during the day, um and we're in the middle of the works. 618 00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:00.599 You know, there's a lot of things. We carry, bear spray, 619 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:06.360 we carry protect protection because we're not sure where we're going to get into 620 00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:09.679 sometimes with with other animals out there. But we go out there looking, 621 00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:15.119 listening, and we spend a lot of time in the words, we get 622 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:17.320 into it, into the area, and we spend a lot of time in 623 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:22.239 this one area because of we've got some other things that they're leading us, 624 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:28.239 such as the whistle. So we we're chasing that down and hopefully we'll come 625 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.599 to a conclusion on the whistle sometime soon. We've been at that part for 626 00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:37.360 a very long time, so we're continuing to look. We're continuing to investigate, 627 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.800 research and just build our own knowledge. I think it's what is it 628 00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:46.519 McCauley, Just is it McCauley says that we use for the sounds is a 629 00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:53.719 database. I think it's um Merlin. That's that's an app that we that 630 00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:59.039 we also use. Yeah, the app can't The app can't pick up there's 631 00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:04.559 not enough ristles or tones or rhysles. It doesn't it doesn't do anything, 632 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.519 you know, and normally with it, that's a very good app, the 633 00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.079 Merlin app to identify birds. I don't know if you can use that map, 634 00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:15.199 but typically you are there to hit that turn that app on a bird 635 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:17.679 in the area that's wisdom or cleaving or whatever. They can tell you what 636 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:22.039 it is, and it just won't tell me because there's not enough information because 637 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:27.920 it's just a single whistle and there's no again, no harmonics, no rhythm, 638 00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:30.719 no melody to it. But yeah, so we're just that's what we're 639 00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:36.599 doing. We're chasing down. When we get reports from other people that they've 640 00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:38.920 had a sighting, I like to talk to them and that the as much 641 00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:44.719 information that they can. So in the future if we have an experience, 642 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:50.280 well at least we have that information that will go along way. Uh you 643 00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:53.639 know, as far as another encounter on what would be what happened with these 644 00:52:53.719 --> 00:53:00.559 people. One guy we've spoken to, he was out hunting and actually was 645 00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:05.039 going through some big palmettos, came into an opening and he had told me 646 00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:08.280 that the same went off. He was in the thick palmettos on the other 647 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:12.760 side. It was very close. It started telling that he's out screaming. 648 00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:15.920 They can all sorts of noise, and he was sprossed. He stared that 649 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:19.840 thing or what to do, and finally the same went off. He walked 650 00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:24.199 back into the woods and what he suspects happens that he surprised it and it 651 00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:29.119 was fearful and it just put on a big display and then it moved off. 652 00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:36.360 So I'm expecting something like that someday to occur, and I want to 653 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:39.400 make sure that as we get into this, that we have some sort of 654 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:44.880 experience or at least knowledge of what may happen, so that we don't do 655 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:50.199 the wrong thing and have a cab an issue. Does he? Whenever this 656 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:59.400 is all said and done, what do you hope to have accomplished? You 657 00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:04.320 don't want to So I've had been asked this, I don't know five ten 658 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:09.880 different times, and as odd as this may sound, for me to say 659 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:15.000 it out loud again and know that people will be listening to this sometimes soon 660 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:20.599 is and I know like choice point of just saying we don't know we're getting 661 00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:24.199 ourselves into as you've gotta it's gotta have an open mind, but you also 662 00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:29.199 have to have each other's back and be on guard and have the right protection 663 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:36.159 and just expecting unexpected. But the most amazing thing would be if we had 664 00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:40.239 an opportunity to actually and this may sound cheesy, I'm just going to say 665 00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:45.480 it, really build a relationship. If there's a pause, a family group 666 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:51.760 that live in that area for as often as we have spent in this location, 667 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:57.840 and if they are as intelligent as we believe they are and they are 668 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.960 still there. They definitely know our sinse, they definitely know our sounds. 669 00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:08.039 They have to know it all. And we have never once done anything, 670 00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:13.719 um, that would have been remotely aggressive to any animal. But we've come 671 00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:19.079 across and we've come across a lot of animals that could have been very very 672 00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:24.760 dangerous to both of our livelihood or both of our well being. And you 673 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:29.360 know, we just chose the smarter route of what we do in those moments. 674 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:35.599 But to build a relationship and too, you know whatever that really means. 675 00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.199 You know, if it's we're leaving things behind, if we if we 676 00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:42.519 leave any food, you know, we're smart about it. We're leaving food 677 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:45.000 that's good for for every type of animal out there. We're not leaving rappers, 678 00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:49.679 We're not leaving garbage in the woods. We're leaving you know, holistic 679 00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.320 food that we know that they can eat and it would be taken care of. 680 00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:58.920 And um, you know, I if this is true and they've been 681 00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:02.679 they've been here way longer than all of us have. Um. You know, 682 00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.320 this this land was theirs first, and you know it's and and maybe 683 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.440 their land in the last at the end as well. I don't know so, 684 00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.360 Um, I've just kind of I've been raised in a way to you 685 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:21.079 know, just kind of do your best in the world and hope that that 686 00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:22.360 comes back to you, give your best of the world of how that comes 687 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:25.440 back to you. And I hope you know, these beings when we're out 688 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:30.400 there, they feel that they feel that love and that care and um, 689 00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:38.280 I don't know compassion that I have or something that at one point possibly dominated 690 00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:45.360 what we took from them. And yeah, that's that's that's really my perspective, 691 00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:47.599 and I know it's it's probably uniquely different than most people that you'll talk 692 00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:52.599 to. Um, that's that's just speaking from the heart. He does. 693 00:56:53.639 --> 00:57:00.159 I've been leaving twinkies when you do thed No, you can't have diabetic big 694 00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:06.199 foot. Um, yeah, yeah, I heard. I just want an 695 00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:12.000 experience, a visual experience where I can see them. That's what I'm after. 696 00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:15.679 That's for me, that that's the fish thing now because of everything we've 697 00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:22.039 we've we've experienced so far, all the circumstances, the footprints, the whistles, 698 00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:28.119 all of that that kind of come together. I'm looking for that visual 699 00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:31.880 confirmation. That's what I'm looking and Matt, I'm okay, without having a 700 00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:40.039 visual just you know, I think your answers sum up perfectly how this whole 701 00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:45.079 conversation started about the different perspectives. Yeah, you know, both of you 702 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:53.079 are very much individuals with you know, unique mindsets, but you bring different 703 00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:57.360 tools to the table, and you guys have found a common ground in a 704 00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:01.239 way to work together with this, uh you know, singular passion that both 705 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:07.960 of you share, and I think that's a big factor to all of this, 706 00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:15.239 a big key whenever it comes to studying these things and being a researcher 707 00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:21.119 and proof that regardless, bigfooters can get along. Damn it, we really 708 00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:25.760 can. So I would really like that. Well, I appreciate you guys 709 00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:30.199 coming on and sharing your story and what's going on with you guys, and 710 00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:36.880 I would like to continue the conversation again sometime if that's okay with you. 711 00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:42.280 You guys, in my opinion, are on the right track, no pun 712 00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.960 intended. I believe the three of us are definitely on the same page. 713 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:47.880 And I not only want to stay in the loop, but you know, 714 00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:52.599 I want to offer this show as a platform for you guys to share your 715 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.480 evidence as you come across it in the future. Yeah, that's terrifict man. 716 00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:00.599 You have a you have an awesome show. I really enjoyed an interviewer. 717 00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:04.400 I love the way you work with them, all the intervieweezes. Absolutely 718 00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.480 I appreciate it. Thank you bad and you know, if it's okay, 719 00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:13.239 well we'll send you I'll send you some pictures of the things we're talking about. 720 00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:16.480 The help en a bigger picture for you in the story we discuss tonight 721 00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:20.960 or the experience we discuss tonight. Yeah, for sure. I'd like to 722 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:23.360 post them, you know, on the YouTube channel with the show and let 723 00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:29.679 everybody see exactly what we're talking about. You guys got some great stuff and 724 00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:32.800 I really do appreciate you coming on here and sharing. Thank you so much. 725 00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.079 And if you've had your own Bigfoot encounter or an encounter with anything you 726 00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:42.079 can't explain, send me an email at Bigfootcrossroads at gmail dot com. Check 727 00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:45.679 out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find links at the social media 728 00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:50.599 contact forum and everything you need all in one place. And until next time, 729 00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:52.159 remember there's something in the woods.