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Survivor Man, and you're listening to
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to Jacob who had some really interesting
experiences at work in the woods looking for

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snakes, which is an interesting story
in and of itself, I think,

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and then on a BFRO investigation where
they had some really interesting vocalizations in the

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pine Barons of all places. I'll
let Jacob tell you all about that in

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I know you guys are ready to
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line, He's ready to go.
All this left for you to do is

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sit back, relax, and enjoy
the show. I want to welcome our

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guest to the show. It is
Jacob from New Jersey. Welcome to the

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show Man. Thank you Brian for
having me. I am glad to have

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you. So let's get right into
it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing.

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Let's talk about the weird paranormal stuff. What got you interested in the

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subject to begin with. I grew
up in southern New Jersey. As a

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kid, I was always interested in
the full aspect of cryptids, grew up

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on watching Monster Requests. New Jersey
actually has a magazine called Weird New Jersey.

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I was always reading the books and
reading all the magazines that they put

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out. Basically, in a nutshell, We're in New Jersey is a magazine

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produced by two people who are on
paranormal shows on History Channel and Travel Channel.

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Basically, they write all sorts of
some of the abandoned places, some

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of the paranormal places in the state. They do deep dots with some of

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the local lore and folklore in the
state, like obviously the Granddaddy of New

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Jersey Kryptis, which is the Jersey
Devil, talk about Big Red Eye in

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North Jersey, some of the creepy
haunted roads up in the state. A

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lot of that stuff drove me into
learning about it, and I was always

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the kind of a weird kid in
class. I would go to the library

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and look at the Ufo books,
the Lockness Monster books, all that good

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stuff. Obviously, the granddaddy of
all that stuff was a Bigfoot. I

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always haide a fascination with it growing
up. My grandmother grew up in Ohio,

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and she would tell me stories as
a kid of all the history and

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all the tales that she was told
as a kid growing up there. Basically

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from the young their age, I
was interested in it. Getting older and

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stuff, I lost that interest to
some extent because obviously you go to school,

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you go to work, you lose
interest in that type of stuff.

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It wasn't really for a while that
I didn't really think about that stuff,

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and growing up I was always I
wanted to say, skeptical, like I

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love a good fairy tale, I
love a good story. But all that

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stuff to me, for the most
part, was just you know, this

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is just fun stuff, cool stories
to kind of keep imagination alive and keep

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going out in the woods a little
creepier at night. But I never really

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took it too seriously going out and
reading that stuff or looking into that type

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of fiction and folklore. So I
would say I had a pretty key interest

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in it from a younger age going
into adulthood, a lot of my other

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hobbies overtook my interest in that type
of stuff for a while. Basically,

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the Jersey Devil in that type of
stuff was all great story. I loved

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reading about that stuff, but in
my eyes, it was all fiction.

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Didn't really take any of that stuff
seriously. For the most part. I

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actually had more interest in ecology and
reptiles and amphibian is actually my biggest thing

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growing up. So when I was
getting older, I did everything in my

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power to try to find a career
in herpetology learning about that type of stuff.

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So a lot of that stuff kept
me out in the woods and kept

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me interested in moving forward with that
type of stuff. When I was going

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into twenty eighteen, I was doing
some volunteer work with the state. I

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was basically tasked to go out and
look for areas that could potentially have some

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rare and endangered animals out in the
pine barrens of New Jersey, which is

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basically my stomping grounds for the most
part. The pine barons are basically a

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one point one million acre pine forest
in the southern portion of the state.

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Fun Factory has a seventeen trillion gallon
aquifer underneath it that is some of the

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Earth's cleanest water that it's actually protected
by the United Nations for the most part.

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The colage of the pine barrens picture
like a beach, the dunes on

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a beach, You know how there's
all sorts of little pills and stuff cover

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that in pine and oak forest,
a blueberry, huckleberry understory, flowering plants,

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and all sorts of cedar streams and
cedar swamps completely taking over the landscape.

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When I was younger, this stuff
fascinated me. I was obsessed with

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going out there and trying to get
lost. And you just had this ecological

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landscape, this huge forest that was
in the center of four major US cities,

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and you have New York City above, you have Philadelphia to the west,

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you have Washington, d c.
And you have Baltimore to the southwest.

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So there's a huge belt in the
huge population centers all around this section

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of the forest that surrounded by almost
fifty million people. So in my eyes,

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it was always fascinating to see how
all these animals and these habitats ribus

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survive over time and basically survive the
urban sprawl and suburbs and all that.

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So I spent a lot of time
out there researching and doing that type of

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stuff. I was out there with
a friend of mine. We were going

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to an area that we looked at
on Maps for a while. Basically,

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this is it's called a paleo dune, and a paleo dune is a larger

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dune. It's a higher elevation landscape. Basically, if you looked at it

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on Google Maps, it's like a
sandy bald area. It had pine oak

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forest, very wet. It was
actually in a wetland area, so and

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our eyes, that was basically where
we wanted to go to look for these

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rare and endangered animals. For the
most part, you were tasked to go

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out there and document any sort of
rare and endangered snakes that might be out

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there because they were in decline.
It was in the vicinity of a roadway

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which may or may not have been
under threat by construction. We get out

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there, it is about an hour
and a half hike into this section.

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It is completely flooded. It's got
greenbrier, campbriar, all sorts of stickers,

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all the lay in. We had
knee boots and the water was almost

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coming over. So it was definitely
a pretty taxing pike to get out to

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this section of the forest. But
we were determined. We got out there.

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We basically walked up on this dune. It was beautiful. It was

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mid June of twenty eighteen. Blueberries
were completely budding, tons and tons of

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liking and flowering plants were around as
green as it could be out there.

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Basically, what we did was we
got our stuff together and we had it

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all out and we're going to go
hike. And the dune was work where

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one section went off to one of
the main roads and dirt roads in the

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Pine Barents and also Cranberry farm,
which cranberry is a huge industry in the

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Pine Barrens. It's like the number
one export of fruit or any sort of

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food. And the other four went
deeper into the state forest. We basically

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decided to take the route deeper into
the state forest. We walked down the

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trail and we were heading down basically
looking for any sort of signs of anything.

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To the right of us, there
was like this wetland area. I

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don't want to call it like a
swamp, but it was basically an area

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that gets wet that time of the
year. The Pine Barrens is weird with

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them because a lot of the lowland
areas will get completely flooded and soaked late

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spring in early summer. Once July, all this rolls around its bone dry.

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I walk up and there's actually this
very old hunting stand. It's about

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twenty feet up in the tree and
it's not like a hunting stand that you

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would get at Walmart, the ones
that you sit in, And this is

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like a full on shed up in
the trees, like it was totally made

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up with nails and boards and all
sorts of stuff. And it freaked me

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out for a second. So I'm
like, you could probably live in that,

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And I was a little bit freaked
out. Actually, in the pine

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barons, we have these they call
the people the rednecks out there and stuff,

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the people that had the pinies.
So I'm like, oh, man,

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I hope that some piney with the
rusty chainsaws that come out of the

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woods, because after us, I'm
already getting like this weird feeling, like

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I don't know if they should be
here. This is a little weird.

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But we kept going forward. My
friend walks off and use the bathroom or

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whatever. I'm still looking at this
shed and I'm looking around, because I'm

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looking for any sort of boards or
any sort of cover that might have been

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underneath the shed that snakes might be
using. I'm looking at it. I'm

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just thinking, man, I just
hope there is no one else out here,

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because when you're out in the woods, especially in the vicinity of where

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we're at, people who are living
out there are probably trying to be away

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from people for a reason. I'm
just hoping that and just stumble upon some

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weird dude out there. So I'm
looking up at this and I start to

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hear what sounds like this bipedal crunching
about sixty seventy yards into the wetland area.

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I'm listening and all this fear culminates
to like panics. I start yelling

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out to it. I'm go,
oh, is anyone there. I'm trying

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to get whatever this is attention,
because in my mind there's no doubt that

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there's a person coming back to the
shed, because that's all I thought about

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my mind as a person. So
I'm looking and looking in the trees,

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seeing I see anything, and all
I remember is seeing this first spit second

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not long enough to get a really
good book at it, long enough to

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known't imagine or anything, just greasy, sleek black bord go from tree to

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tree in the swamp. I'm looking
at it. It goes for another couple

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seconds and it just stops. In
my eyes. I think I just saw

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some greasy, hairy dude. Somebody
does over scowered in weeks, and I'm

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pretty sure I saw the top of
his head or his hair or whatever.

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I back out of there and I
start to head out, and I'm freaking

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out because at this point, I'm
like, this has got to be a

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guy stalking us or something. I
grabbed my friend and he's looking down at

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something, and I'm like, let's
go. We got to get out of

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here. I'm panicking at this point. Basically this hour and a half like

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in Turns until forty five minute like
that the Clark, because we were rush

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and we were getting out of there. It was pretty terrifying, and I

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think that would probably be my first
brush with something that I couldn't playing at

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the time because there was no reason
for anybody to be out there. Okham's

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Raiser came into play, and I
thought the first thing in my head was

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like, this has got to be
a person, And obviously I can't say

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for sure what it was because I
never saw what was walking. But in

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my eyes, there could only be
two things out there that's walking by ipatially

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like that. It made no sense
for a person to be out there.

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So I always call that kind of
my first rush with something unknown that maybe

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opened my mind to the possibility of
more things that kind of shocked me.

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A few weeks went by and I
thought that was a person. It wasn't

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really until I saw another newspaper clipping
in the Pine barns. In April,

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there was a class a sighting in
more the northern Pine Barren region that actually

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got a lot of traction a lot
of people. It was all over the

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news that Alady was driving home with
her husband and her dog. She was

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actually looking out the rear view mirror. She saw the thing jump across the

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road behind her, probably one hundred
george behind her. I've always looked at

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that kind of weird. Why would
you say that it jumped from bo in

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her rear Vietnir, Why would it
have not been in the front if someone

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was making up a story. So
I was always like a little bit intrigued

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by that. That's when I started
having the thoughts in my head, like,

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there's no way, is there a
possibility? What I experienced was what

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I thought it was, And obviously
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there's no way. So I would
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just trying to taught myself out of
that thought. I thought of that for

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a while, but I didn't really
pursue anything. It wasn't one of those

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encounters that made me want to do
any more research, but it was that

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little thing in the back of my
head. Did I really experience what I

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experience? Did I? I wasn't
really too sure. A few years would

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to go by. I was looking
online on Facebook and I saw something about

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a BFROL expedition happening in the New
Jersey Pine Barns. I was like,

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I should probably knock it off my
bucket list. At the time, I

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was I would say on the about
that type of stuff. I was very

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skeptical of a lot of the stuff. But I watched the shows, and

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I'm thinking, as I watched the
shows, these people are definitely reacting to

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some coyote hals or some alhoots or
whatever. I'm not even thinking that they're

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even experiencing anything related to Sasquad.
So I'm like, let's just go on

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it and just see what happened,
see what these people are reacting to.

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Maybe have a little chuckle to myself, you know, maybe I'm not crazy.

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I saw a person and it wasn't
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attract the craziest people out there.
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the expedition. Not the best financial
decision at the time, but I really

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wanted to knock that off my bucket
list. Basically, I went. I

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never can't before in my life.
This was like my first time ever,

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and I'm an outdoors person, but
I do a lot of day hugs,

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so I get there. The person
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Spinner. He's a researcher for New
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He helped me set up my tent
because I never saw up a tent

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before. He was very cordial,
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the new guy. I'm getting myself
set up and you know, the guy

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next to me in the tent,
you know, me and him start talking.

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Pretty normal guy at first, he
is, Yeah, the government released

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a bunch of dog men and bigfoot. Oh no, what did they get

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myself into. I was like,
I'm going to regret this. This is

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going to be bad. This whole
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I was just beside myself with everyone
on this expeditions crazy. I get myself

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set up with the BF for expeditions
just like a check in thing where everyone

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gets together, they introduce themselves,
they go over with God. I'm interested

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in the subject. If they've ever
had any sightings, there, any stories,

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heard some pretty compelling stories from people. Then basically we have a dinner.

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Usually people try to cook or they'll
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was blown away by how professional a
lot of the people were. They all

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had walks, they all had therms. They even had bionic ears, which

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is like the large I don't know
how to explain it, but think about

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a large bowl, but you have
headphones and you can hear a thousand times

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better than you can with your naked
ear without any sort of help. Like,

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all right, these guys definitely put
in a lot of money for this

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stuff, so I'm definitely pretty interested
by the fact that these people are so

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die harready Gung Ho about this stuff, but obviously I was still very skeptical

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about everything. I was like,
this is a lot of money for just

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going out in the woozard. Here's
some owls and foxes and stuff. I

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wasn't really taking it too seriously at
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Every expedition is about three nights.
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Friday night, Saturday night, and
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nothing really happens on Sunday. Some
people will choose to stay an extra day

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just because usually there seems to make
more activity when everyone leaves. We got

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out and the first night we did
something called a pied piper routine, which

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is where you will have a group
of people go up the trail well and

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you'll have another group to the side
of the trail watching them with They will

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basically watch and see if anything's following
them, because a lot of times they

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say that they'll follow in parallel.
And groups of people and watched it went

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out the trail and there was a
fork in the trail. Another team went

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this way, my team went this
way, and I was with the runner

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of the expedition. So we get
up the trail and we're hanging out this

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intersection. We're probably a good five
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We got walkees and everything, and
we're just sitting out there shooting the crap,

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just listening. The runner of the
expedition shows me the bionic gear and

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he's having me test it out.
Don't move your feet around so much because

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in the headphones it'll sound like ten
thousand times louder and it'll completely mess up

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to the audio. We're sitting out
for an hour and a half just listening.

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We didn't really have much happen that
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first night, heard what could have
sounded like coyote in the distance. It

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was like a distant howl, and
that's something that sounded weird. It was

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almost like chatter for a second,
but it was so quick and maybe one

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word, if that's what you want
to call it. But it was fleeting

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and just out of my hearing.
So I put it away and didn't really

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think about it too much, and
basically we headed back down the trail and

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headed back to camp probably around two
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all night. I actually headed home
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next day, but I was going
to come back because I'm only about forty

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five minute drive away from the actual
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headed back, came back the next
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with some of the attendees there.
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about in April with the road crossing
in the rearview mirror. We went to

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go check that out because in our
eyes, that would be cool to go

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to an actual setting location for a
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year September twenty twenty one is when
this expedition took place, so this was

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three years prior to when this expedition
took place. So we get out to

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this area and we're walking down the
trail. It's a nice warm day.

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We get to the setting location.
We're walking through some thick stuff along the

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creek and suddenly there's this huge splash
in the swamp. And stay tuned for

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more sasquatch out to see we'll be
right back after these messages. It turns

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out as a bunch of ducks that
came down and scared the crap out of

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us. So we get to the
area. You whooped around, and you

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know, I didn't see if anything
happened. One of our guys did fall

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into the water on the way back
to the car. See you told me

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it's an expedition until somebody falls in
the water. So we got that out

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the way pretty quickly. But we
got back to camp, sat around,

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eats, some food, hung around
the bonfire. Beautiful September night. Stars

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are out. It's pretty crazy out
there. You got in the middle of

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New Jersey or the middle of the
pine bearings. The stars are as clear

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as they could be. We're just
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I'm trying to get ready for that
night. The plan was where we're

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going to go to this area called
Capon, the person who runs the capond

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and it's basically this really tiny like
pond alongside of the huge old Cranberg Bug

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and this is an area that he
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That was going to be our second
night up. I'm almost on a

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suit in the chair and it finally
ready to go. So we get out

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there. Like I said, at
this point, I saw more questions and

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answers. I'm not convinced at anything. We get out to this spot picture

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a dirt road and then to the
side of a smaller horse traw Our vehicles

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were totally scratching the sides of the
thickets and it was totally miserable getting all

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the way down there. We finally
get to it and it's this clearing next

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to this ponds. Basically, what
the exhibition leader likes to do is she

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wants to sit out there for about
forty five to minutes to an hour,

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just staying silent and not really talking
and letting the forest settle down after the

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noises of the vehicles moving through and
everything. He tries to keep everything as

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silent as possible after that because he
wants to would so readjust hermit per se.

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We had about setting people with us. We all closed the truck door

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silently. We walk down the trail
and have it circle where we're all sitting

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in a chair and just watching each
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silent as possible and just listen.
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sitting there. I can't remember if
there was another team across the Cranberry Bog

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because there was another really big hot
spot across from it that a lot of

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people talk about. We actually went
there the next night. This was another

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area where he had a lot of
activity. We're just sitting there listening.

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She goes to me, it's like, you want to do a localization,

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and I'm like, bye, golly, yes I do. I'm the new

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guys. So I'm like, I'm
gonna do a loop and just see what

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happens. I unleashed my inner hower
monkey and I just did this the loudest

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wop I could possibly do, just
to see what would happen. Right after

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I did it, I got three
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It was like one ladder woop and
then a less loud loop and then

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work wid er woop. Almost something
was moving away when I did it,

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so it was just like totally moved
away from us. I was totally taken

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back by that. I was like
surprised. I'm like, okay, that

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was weird. Maybe I didn't hear
it right or whatever, but that definitely

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sounded like a whoop. Maybe it
was something else because we were next to

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the Cranberry Bob and thinking maybe it
was a goose possibly, So I put

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it away and didn't think too much
about it, sat back down, and

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I start to hear. And this
messed me up a little bit because this

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was at the time I had no
answer for what I was hearing. But

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I start hearing this chattering I want
to call it was on the edge of

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my hearing, and I would hear
it when the wind picked up a little

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bit. It was almost like the
wind helped the sound of the chatter get

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to my ears faster. It sounded
like what they call sanurai chatter, and

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this here sounds It sounded like two
things having a conversation with each other.

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I know a rackcketting chatter sounds like
I know a lot of the animals at

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night will make chatter. This was
very deep. It was something popping very

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quickly. It was under my hearing
at the time. Nobody else was really

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hearing it. I feel like it
lasts a lot shorter than I remember it,

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but it might have been like five
or six seconds of hearing this.

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I've talked to some people afterwards.
I think maybe one of the persons possibly

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heard it once again, all I
was the only when heard it when I

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was listening. That kind of got
me questioning stuff a little bit. I

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was like, that's pretty weird.
It sounded like the Sierra sounds. It

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was very distinctly two things having a
conversation with each other. I'm not even

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going to attempt to try to say
what it sounded like, but it was

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definitely something two things having a conversation
for sure. The rest of the night

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really nothing else really happened to.
One of the attendees actually has this insane

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banshee like screen. It's lows,
so she does that. She has something

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in the distance. Respond that sounded
weird. Sounded like almost an Ohio how

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type noise. But once again,
it was just so out of hearing it

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was barely in hearing grange, so
I could barely pick up what it was.

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We're probably out there till about one
o'clock and we you hit the road

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and we head back to camp.
They're pretty close to the vicinity of the

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campground. This is about a fifteen
minute drive from the campground, all down

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dirt roads and stuff. You have
that thought in your head when you winging

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your tent. Man, these creepy
sounds I'm hearing out here. Man,

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We're not that far away from them. I really hope these things don't come

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into camp or anything that's apparently what
has happened at this campground before they would

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actually have stuff come in and investigate. It was deeply on my head getting

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back to camp and everything. Saturday
rolls around and it's the last night of

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the expedition. I get up,
we make breakfast, day goes by.

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We're all just connecting. We're taking
day hikes, we're doing day scouting,

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which a lot of the times is
what people do during the day on the

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expedition, so they'll go out pull
day scout, just check stuff out.

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For me, I was looking for
snakes. I was going to some of

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my spots looking for snakes around there, so I wasn't really even doing anything

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they put related. I was just
out and enjoying the time I was there.

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Saw some pretty cool places. There's
actually a place not far from that

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called Devil's hair Brush. It's basically
this huge bog that has a whole bunch

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of dead trees in the middle of
it. So it's actually a pretty cool

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geological formation out there, so I
want to check that out. And got

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back to camp probably around four o'clock, five o'clock before it got dark.

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Same thing. We just ate dinner, hung around the campground, just got

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to know each other a little bit
more before it ended. Basically, we

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got ourselves ready for the final night
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nine o'clock to this spot that we're
going to go to. The bluecation that

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we went to for the final night
operation was a place called the Bowl.

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The Bowl was an area that has
had a lot of activity. Tons and

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tons of white sour seen there.
Supposedly ords the guy who runs the expedition,

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and that's one of the main areas
of research. It's this place called

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the Bowl. They'll see like red
pin dot lights there, so it's a

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really funky place supposedly. So we
get to the Bowl and basically there's three

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teams. There's a team that was
going back to Capond that we were at

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night prior. There was a team
actually all females in the center of the

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bowl, and I was on a
team that went to the dam and was

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kind of monitoring the lake or the
fanburry bog there. We're gonna have thermals

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and we're just going to scan the
shore lines and just look at everything see

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if we can't catch anything on THEURM. We're all set up it's messed up

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at the time because we were using
the girls as baber se. We'll try

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to see if things you would come
in and check them out. We were

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all at the dam and it was
pretty dead for the most part. For

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most of the night, it was
around like eleven o'clock. Nothing's happening,

406
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:42.000
haven't heard anything, nothing on the
radio. We kept shotting beavers slapping their

407
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.920
tails in the water nearby, so
that was like the only action we were

408
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:48.680
really getting. So, you know, we're sitting there talking about all sorts

409
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:55.640
of stuff under the sun, everything
from the research. Everyone was staling politics.

410
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:57.720
Started to get my ear tapped off
by one of the guys about how

411
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:03.480
my generations and stuff fup for everything. I'm like, can something please just

412
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.359
happen, get me out of this
conversation, please, I'm getting my ear

413
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:08.680
talked off by him. And then
all of a sudden, we get this

414
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:14.440
radio call in from the all female
group at the bowl. They were just

415
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:18.359
like, hey, can you guys
come back to the bowl. I forgot

416
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:22.559
her name. She's having a conversation
with one, so I'm thinking of conversation

417
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:25.599
she's talking with one. What like
in my head, I'm thinking, like

418
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.680
what are you talking about. I
was so confused at the time. I

419
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:33.039
didn't know what she was talking about. I'm the new guy, apparently,

420
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.240
so I was gonna be the one
going to the bowl with one of the

421
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:40.759
investigators. There. We're going down
the trail and basically how this trail goes

422
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.720
and it goes up like this,
and then there's a turn and then you

423
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:47.160
can see the bottom of the bowl. Once you make that turn, it's

424
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:51.519
about one hundred yards from the dam
to the actual bull itself. We're walking

425
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:53.839
down the trail. Once we get
to this bend in the trail, right

426
00:28:53.880 --> 00:29:00.200
where we're able to be seen by
the all female group to the left of

427
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.480
us, we have these two loud
power knocks just bam, probably not even

428
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.839
fifty yards away. Obviously, I
was freaked out by that. I was

429
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:12.440
totally took off guard by what I
heard. I started pointing over there,

430
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:17.119
and pointing is something you don't want
to do in expeditions, according to some

431
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:21.640
of the people who run it,
because then might what the Sasquatches know that

432
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.440
you see them when you heard them, or something that may borrow them from

433
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:26.920
wanting to do anything else. I
didn't understand that at the time. But

434
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:30.319
I was like, I'm the new
guy, not fit question, and he

435
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.680
was like, don't point, don't
point. I'm like, all right,

436
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.400
knocks nine o'clock. You're supposed to
say nine o'clock, ten o'clock, six

437
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:40.720
o'clock. We finally get to the
bowl. They're all standing looking up at

438
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:42.079
the top of it. I don't
really describe how the ball was, but

439
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:47.960
it's basically this topographical formation where it
is like a bowl, where it's really

440
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:52.480
high on three sides. There's a
road that runs next to the top of

441
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.680
it, and behind the lowest side
is a sweeter swamp, so it's a

442
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:02.480
very dense hardwood fares steps to the
So we're all looking up at the bowl

443
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:06.839
the top of it. She's like, one of the women's go ahead,

444
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.240
I'll whoop again. She does this
really soft like woop, very soft,

445
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.799
just very gentle. I'm listening,
and I hear, probably about one hundred

446
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.920
yards away, something responds to it
sounded very similar to what she said.

447
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:25.440
It was a whoop, and then
it would knock, and then she did

448
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.039
it again. She whooped, and
it got a little closer, and it

449
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.240
whooped again, and it would whistle
and it would go back and forth.

450
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.960
Probably another dozen times it would just
woom, and it would either whistle or

451
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:42.160
it would not, or it would
do a double whoop or something. Actually,

452
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:45.279
a couple of weeks later they actually
had another paranormal group come down there.

453
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:49.359
They had the same type of activity
happened with this thing whooping, because

454
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:52.559
at first they thought it was like
a goose or something that was out in

455
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:57.319
the woods. But this thing was
clearly coming in closer when we would woop.

456
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:00.559
I mean, it was getting to
the point where you can almost hear

457
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:04.279
rustling moving around and stuff. I'm
just spinning off what it could be,

458
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.680
and I had no responses for what
it could have been. This was clearly

459
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:15.640
something whooping like making that whooping noise
wasn't the nowl foxes and kyotes don't really

460
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:18.039
make whooping noises like that. So
in my head I'm thinking, like,

461
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:22.559
Okay, there's only two things this
could be. This is either a person

462
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.880
messing with us, which at the
time I thought was a possibility, or

463
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.480
this is what we're here to see
or experience. In my head, I'm

464
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.519
thinking, okay, it's last night. They want us to get our money's

465
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:40.160
worth. I'm thinking there's got to
be a person out there messing of some

466
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.599
of the attendees, messing with us, trying to get us to get us

467
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:45.640
to come back and spend some more
money. In my head, I'm thinking,

468
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.279
all right, that's probably what it
is. But I'm listening and I'm

469
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.319
like, this is really good.
They must have this guy must have a

470
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.279
walkie. There must be another guy
saying all right, now move closer to

471
00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.000
this way. So I'm thinking,
there are they like talking to each other

472
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.400
and I'm blestening. They're not.
I'm not hearing anything. So then a

473
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.680
few minutes goes by and we're still
looking up the where the top of the

474
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:12.799
bowl was. One of the attendees
was like, I see eye shine.

475
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:16.119
I'm like looking around, I'm looking
at the top of the bowl. I

476
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:20.000
look. I see our cars part
to the left and I'm like, oh,

477
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.079
that's just the red security lights and
she's like, no, look to

478
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:25.039
the right of that. So I
scan from the cars to the right.

479
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:30.000
There's a large pitch pine tree.
I'm looking and my eyes are adjusting,

480
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.559
and I just see these two royal
blue what I can only describe as these

481
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:38.920
like reflective saucers looking from behind the
tree. And it went from behind the

482
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:42.960
tree to the other side of the
tree like this, and it would like

483
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:46.720
crouch down a little bit and move
left and right looking. This probably lasted

484
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:51.599
for about five seconds or so.
Just I'm watching this thing moving around,

485
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:55.799
and I'm just blown away by what
I'm seeing. I couldn't explain that to

486
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.319
the people. What I was seeing
in this moment. The reflective eyes like

487
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.759
a blue royal blue color. I
can only describe it as the moon reflecting

488
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:08.279
all of them, very reflective.
Definitely, we didn't seem like anything coming

489
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:13.039
from within. I'm watching this.
I'm just completely blown away from what I'm

490
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.440
seeing. So this went on for
about five seconds. I'm taking it back.

491
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:20.839
I'm just thinking, Okay, how
the heck did somebody pull that off.

492
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.000
That's when the thought started come to
my head. Maybe they didn't.

493
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:27.960
Maybe you're actually having a legitimate experience
with this. Basically, I kind of

494
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.319
catch my breath grouping after seeing that, We're sitting there selecting ourselves, and

495
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:35.519
the whooping whatever was up the top
of the hill stopped, but the cuar

496
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.759
swamp behind us, we started to
hear something moving closer to us. We

497
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:43.400
started to hear what sounds almost heavy
breathing. I started hearing these moaning sounds

498
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.279
coming from the swamp behind us.
It was something clearly from left or right,

499
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:51.279
moving closer. And the time,
I'm thinking, are we getting slangs

500
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.519
right now? Did that thing at
the top of the hill. Was that

501
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:57.839
like distracting us so that these things
were moving in behind us? And obviously

502
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.880
I have no idea that's what they
were doing. My head, that's what

503
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:06.079
I'm thinking. They're really working together
to surround us right now, check us

504
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:08.960
out from behind. I was listening. I wish I brought a recorder.

505
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:13.960
You know, a huge new guy
mistake. I totally dropped the ball on

506
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:16.159
that one. I can't even describe
them to save my life. That sounds

507
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:21.239
that we were hearing. It was
definitely not normal. I never heard anything

508
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:24.039
like that in my life. Clearly
something moving closer to us to check us

509
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:30.400
out. One of the attendees apparently
said that she felt rocks pebbles sit in

510
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:32.320
the back of her back. I'm
not one hundred percent sure that's what she

511
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.559
really experienced, but she said she
was feeling like something was hitting her from

512
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.719
behind. So as this is happening, we're getting ready to end the night,

513
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:43.400
trying to get out of there and
get back to the cars. They

514
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.800
decided to take a walk down the
road a little further away. Same thing.

515
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:51.639
They described that. They were walking
down the road and they heard what

516
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:58.639
sounded like a very low, very
somber how moving away, as if it

517
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.599
was saying goodbye. At the time, I wasn't really sure what they heard.

518
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:05.440
They headed back to camp. I
was just beside myself. I really

519
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:10.000
didn't know what to think. I
was just beyond questioning everything that happened that

520
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:15.239
night. It spiraled me into looking
into it more and trying to do as

521
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:20.400
much research on the topic as possible
as somebody who's skeptical, as somebody who

522
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:24.599
tends to know a good amount about
natural sounds and native animals and stuff.

523
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:29.920
This wasn't anything that I would pay
somebody a thousand bucks to tell me what

524
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:35.360
it was. It was definitely not
normal as somebody who skeptical. I had

525
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.920
to be skeptical my own skeptics at
the time. Maybe the most logical thing

526
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:44.199
that it was what you experienced,
Like maybe it wasn't people or anything.

527
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.239
I told my family about it and
about what happened. They're telling me like,

528
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.960
oh, it was probably people.
It was probably people that got paid

529
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:52.800
to go out there, I don't
think, so it didn't make sense.

530
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.719
There was no people out in these
woods. There's people on our team who

531
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.360
had fears, who had therms,
people are very loud. You're not moving

532
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:07.679
through the woods in the dark without
being extremely loud, or hitting trees,

533
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:13.119
hitting all sorts of undergrowth and thorns, You're going to be very easy to

534
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:20.119
hear whatever we were hearing. This
was definitely something that was adapt to moving

535
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:23.039
at night, moving around. I
was definitely questioning everything. Like I said,

536
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:25.800
it was one of those rare things. Just like both options for what

537
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:30.159
this could have been almost made no
sense because obviously sasquatch or bigfoot doesn't exist.

538
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:34.639
It's not supposed to be something that
israel in my head, there's no

539
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:37.639
way that could have been what I
heard. At the same time, it

540
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:40.840
would have made no sense of those
people either, because despite the pine barons

541
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:45.559
being very open and most of the
time you're able to move through it pretty

542
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.000
quickly, there's some thick areas too. This is definitely one of those areas

543
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.440
where there's a lot more thickets and
thorns and greenbrier. It was definitely something

544
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:57.000
that stuck to my head to this
day and e spearheaded me into doing more

545
00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.239
research into it and looking more into
it, doing a lot more research on

546
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:06.440
the folklore of New Jersey just recent
sightings. It's pretty shocking to see what

547
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:12.760
people will report. I've always asked
myself too with this topic, why New

548
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.920
Jersey. New Jersey is actually the
most densely popular to see it in the

549
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:19.679
country. I think we have about
ten million people in the state of New

550
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.679
Jersey. I've always wondered, how
would these things even exist with the amount

551
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:29.519
of human traffic car traffic, Because
any given weekend or day, you have

552
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:34.599
thousands of people all throughout the Pine
Barn shriving around, whether it's off roading,

553
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:38.079
hiking, kayaking, canoeing, there's
always a good amount of people out

554
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:43.599
there doing something, especially on the
outskirts of the suburbs, some of the

555
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.400
town city areas. You have a
lot of greenways and green belts that are

556
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:52.880
pretty much scattered throughout the state where
you have waterways, gas pipelines, power

557
00:37:52.920 --> 00:38:00.960
line cuts. So do you have
that ability to move throughout the without being

558
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:06.239
seen? That's if they exist.
You have the ability to go under the

559
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:13.519
cover of night move to these areas
without being seen It's pretty crazy how in

560
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:17.039
New Jersey, especially how predictable people
are. We wake up eight o'clock,

561
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.119
go to work, sit in traffic
for an hour, head home around five

562
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.360
o'clock, you eat dinner around six, and then go to bed at nine

563
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:29.559
o'clock. I'd actually done door toash
some of the most populated areas in the

564
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.960
state. If you're there at two
o'clock in the morning, there's nobody else

565
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:36.079
on the right. I've delivered plenty
of fifty dollars, talked about orders the

566
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.559
stoners at two o'clock in the morning, there's nobody out there. Definitely think

567
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:45.440
that there's that ability that something could
go unseen and undiscovered if they're just able

568
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:51.760
to understand the basic human patterns and
how we function and how we focus.

569
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:53.599
Especially at three o'clock in the morning. At night, there's nobody out in

570
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:58.880
the woods, really, just crazy
people like custom and research. It's definitely

571
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.880
interesting looking at the maps. I'm
sure you're familiar with Big Flip Mapping project

572
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:07.639
and all that other stuff. They
have great information about greenways and green belts.

573
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:13.119
A lot of the sightings I've seen
do come from river corridors, power

574
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:20.920
line cuts. There's definitely plenty of
data to some extent of them moving around

575
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:24.920
and moving from place to place on
powerline cuts and green belts. Like I

576
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:30.159
said, it's definitely something that has
been extremely interesting. It's gotten me out

577
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:34.679
in the woods a lot. I
do continue to do research. It's very

578
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.119
basic, you know, going out
in the woods and sitting. I do

579
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.639
need to buy some recorders and get
out and do more things like that.

580
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.000
I'll tell you another thing that actually
happened to me recently. This was last

581
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:51.599
year. I was out in one
of my research areas that I've been checking

582
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:53.800
out for a while. Right on
the wall for River, this beautiful hard

583
00:39:53.800 --> 00:40:00.840
widow forest that runs up again.
So it's actually probably within mile away from

584
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.960
some really heavily populated areas, so
right under the nose. If you looked

585
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.320
at it on maps, you would
actually see it's almost like a wall of

586
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:13.880
green right alongside a major population center
where it's just suburbs and towns for miles.

587
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.360
And stay tuned for more sasquatch out
to see. We'll be right back

588
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:24.760
after these messages. How it goes
is there's this huge power line cut that

589
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:30.400
goes through and then right it it's
on all arts and all waterways and everything

590
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.159
like that. It's a really interesting
area to go to. So I came

591
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.199
out here. I wasn't even really
doing any bigfoot stuff. I'm trying to

592
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:42.519
make it a habit to go out
early morning, take walks in the woods

593
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.280
and just see what I could hear. See if I can't pick them anything,

594
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.559
even if it's going out there again, owls and b canon, coyotes,

595
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:51.519
just going out listening. I parked
to this place we call this plot

596
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.599
the one Weed Bridge, me and
my friend to go there and do research.

597
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:59.239
I did this triangle loop where I
would go up the loop, go

598
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.440
all the way up, come down
that there's a tread that went along a

599
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:05.679
cedar swamp that takes me back to
the swamp where I parked that or the

600
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.760
bridge that I parked that. So
I started out walking around four point thirty

601
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:12.960
in the morning. This is a
Wednesday morning, So I went out there

602
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:16.599
where there should be nobody out there
that early in the morning. I'm not

603
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:21.840
down that people go out there,
but it was not a weekend or anything

604
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:27.239
like that. So I go down
probably halfway through the hike, and I'm

605
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:31.800
less saying I hear like some distant
coyotes or dogs barking and howling in the

606
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.920
distance. I get to this area
known as the Ford, where it's a

607
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:39.559
really skinny, shallow section of the
Mulka River. This is actually a section

608
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:45.599
that samurai chatter was actually heard out
before. Supposedly there's a couple other instances

609
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:51.719
where people hurt by pugle footsteps.
Since actually about a mile or a half

610
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:57.679
away from another class state siting,
supposedly. So I'm walking along the river

611
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:02.599
and I decided to do like a
outroot because there's a good population of bar

612
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:07.800
owls along this section of the river
into the Cedar Swamp. So I do

613
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.480
a couple of these into the swamp. I don't really hear anything. Nothing

614
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:15.440
happens. The first time I go
up the trail a little further this point

615
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.760
that goes into the Cedar Swamp.
I do another one. I hear what

616
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:24.320
sounds like a small animal moving around
in the swamp. I'm thinking to myself,

617
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:29.599
I just spooked a small fox or
a little possum or raccoon or something,

618
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.360
because whatever it was sounded small at
first. And I started to hear

619
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:38.920
this thing something closer to me.
I'm listening it's bipedal footsteps. Again,

620
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:43.840
So I started to panic a little
bit, like, oh, now,

621
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.320
what did I just do? This
thing is moving closer. I forgot to

622
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:52.519
describe it. There's a small canal
that runs along the swamp itself that this

623
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:55.400
thing steps in the water, I'm
gonna just book it and get out of

624
00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:00.400
here. Once that happens, I
hear the splash, so instead of running

625
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.400
away, I turned my camera on, I turned both of my flapslights on.

626
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:08.440
I just last the spot where I
heard it at I'm thinking, I'm

627
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:14.800
either gonna get the best footage i've
whatever ever, or there's nothing there.

628
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:19.119
I shine down there, I'm shining
all around. I'm looking. There's nothing.

629
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.880
You can see the water still moving
after something stepped in there, but

630
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:28.159
I could not catch anything. At
the same time I put my light on,

631
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.519
this bar owl just goes off.
If you know what a bar owl

632
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:35.119
sounds like. They had this sound
where they'll actually like it sounds like a

633
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:37.719
screech at first. So of course, when I'm at the height of being

634
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:43.840
as scared as I was, this
thing screeches and goes to I almost have

635
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.480
a heart attack when anything happened.
That was just totally the worst time for

636
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:50.320
the alley go off. Funny story, I'm backing away from that. At

637
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:54.159
the time, I'm scared because I
did have something walk up on, you

638
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:58.800
know, if something was coming to
check out. It was totally something my

639
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.760
beetle d of taking the trail a
little further. There's this nice, wide

640
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:06.639
open sand road that I could have
taken where I would have had better visibility

641
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:09.159
in Cae if something was following me
or something, I had much better visibility.

642
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:14.360
Then there was this dirt bike trail. So what do I do.

643
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.719
I take the small enduro trail instead, where I'm surrounded by bake trees and

644
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:22.679
totally worse. Sure I could have
taken the entire time I'm walking back to

645
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.760
my car, I'm looking behind me
and obviously nothing's following me. It was

646
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:31.480
just one of those moments where all
of that just culminated into this terrifying encounter

647
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:36.320
that it's probably the main reason why
I don't really try to get in the

648
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:38.920
woods alone anymore, or at least
you really never know. And it's not

649
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:45.079
even necessarily due to bigfoot or anything. People. It's people, wildlife,

650
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:50.199
it's stuff you don't want to be
alone. Running into some weird, funky

651
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:54.639
people that were any sort of wildlife. The pine barrens is very safe as

652
00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:58.880
far as wildlife, because the worst
thing you're going to encounter is either a

653
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:02.159
tick bite or a possibly But for
the most part, there isn't much out

654
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:07.039
there that's gonna harm you. That's
definitely some of the experiences I've had out

655
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.119
in New Jersey. I do continue
to go out and do my research.

656
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:14.159
My friend does a podcast. Actually
that's my research buddy bag I go out

657
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:19.880
with. I definitely try to spend
as much time researching everything that's happened in

658
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.599
the state. As far as folklore
goes, obviously everyone is about the Jersey

659
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.280
Devil. I don't really believe in
the devil too much, but it's a

660
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.039
great story. I can certainly tell
you that if nobody's heard of it before.

661
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:34.239
Basically, in the week seventeen hundreds, there was a family known as

662
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.639
the Weeds family. Mother Weeds had
about twelve children. The story goes,

663
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:42.239
she found out that she was pregnant
and she's got another baby. This is

664
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.760
gonna be her thirteenth child. In
a fit of rage, what she basically

665
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.079
said, let this one be a
devil, or let this one be a

666
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.559
demon. So the day comes where
she goes birth to the baby. It

667
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:57.440
comes out perfectly. There's very different
variations of the story. It depends on

668
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.400
you ask how the story went.
People say it came out look being like

669
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:02.760
the Jersey Devil. Some people said
it came out looking at the normal baby,

670
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.800
which is probably the most popular one. After being out for a while,

671
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:13.039
began to grow these leathery bat wings, grew a tail, it grew

672
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:16.760
this goat looking head. It grew
and got big, attacked and killed the

673
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:21.760
mother, and the attacked some of
the midwives that were there and killed some

674
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:23.519
of the people there. Some people
say killed everyone, but some people say

675
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:28.800
it just flew out the chimney into
the night sky. That's probably the biggest

676
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.519
story as far as folk work goes
for the Pine barrens. I've always found

677
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:37.920
it fascinating how people will report seeing
the Jersey Devil to this day. I

678
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:43.320
think that it's a culmination of rumors
disdained for the Leeds family at the time.

679
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:45.440
A lot of people don't realize this, but the Leeds fan was very

680
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:51.679
must disliked back then. They had
a story made up of them, were

681
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:58.280
stapegoaded as being these devil worshippers and
that's basically how it seemed like the Jersey

682
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.159
Devil story was formed. Let's really
interest in looking at some of the folklore

683
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:06.199
in the state, of all the
things that goes into some of the local

684
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:09.280
legends and folklore. I've always been
fascinated with the Jersey Devil story, but

685
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:13.760
I've always figured that it was just
folklore. Like you said, it had

686
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.440
something to do with the family.
It's a cool story that somebody made up.

687
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:21.000
When I hear the Pine Barons,
just in general, I think most

688
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:24.320
people have this experience because of some
of the folklore, and we've heard the

689
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:31.079
Jersey Devil, it just evokes this
immediate reaction to your core. Oh it

690
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:35.039
happened to the Pine Barons. So
it's really mysterious. But I think it's

691
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:38.880
very interesting some of the things that
you experienced, for example, on the

692
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:43.519
BFRO expedition. I think a couple
of things that you said really stuck out

693
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:45.840
to me, and it resonates with
me because I've been in your position as

694
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:50.880
a very skeptical person about this.
I've been on expeditions in the past.

695
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:58.239
It's interesting unless you're in those positions
to say I'm skeptical. But sometimes Ockham's

696
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.920
raisor Leans towards you're really having the
experience that you're having. I don't know

697
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:06.519
if this is something you went through
before you went on your expedition. People

698
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.000
were reaching out to me saying,
hey, man, what if you have

699
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:13.559
an experience when you go up with
Todd? How are you going to handle

700
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:15.480
that? Have you considered how you're
going to respond if you see one of

701
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:20.199
these things? Or I have an
experience. So I really had to recalibrate

702
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:23.320
and say, you know what,
because I was really very much like you.

703
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:25.519
I don't know if you went into
this thinking it, or maybe you

704
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:30.199
had those moments during the expedition.
I thought I was going up there to

705
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:34.280
be hoaxed. I've got to go
get my quote unquote money's worth. I

706
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:38.079
figured this would be the perfect time
for Todd to hoax somebody, because I've

707
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:42.079
always said I thought Todd wanted to
bring me up there. He wanted me

708
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.039
to have experiences, and then he
wanted to come back and tell my audience

709
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:47.599
about all the great experiences up to
further his business. That's a smart business

710
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:52.639
decision on his part, right.
I had to recalibrate myself and say,

711
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:57.280
there is a possibility that there may
be sasquatch in that area. If I

712
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:01.119
have an experience, I have to
lay my preconceived notions about Todd and what

713
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:05.840
he might do or who he might
have out there trying to fool me,

714
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.800
and consider that I might actually have
a real experience. I believe I did

715
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:15.079
have a couple of real experiences there, because once you get in those situations,

716
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:17.000
and once you get into the areas, very much like you I COM's

717
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:21.280
Razor tell you, it doesn't make
sense for a person to be out here.

718
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.760
We were almost twenty miles deep in
the middle of the woods, in

719
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:30.440
the middle of nowhere when I was
at Radium. There's nobody else out there

720
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.679
but us. When it becomes one
of two things that's making these wood knocks

721
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:38.440
or making these samurai chatter sounds that
I heard and recorded when I was up

722
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:44.559
there in Radium, then you have
to say, if you remove the human

723
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:47.760
factor, it really only leaves one
thing. When you came out of that,

724
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:52.639
in particular with your BFRO expedition,
once you came back and you had

725
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:58.519
time to really think about things that
went on and reflect on that when you

726
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:00.280
walked away from that. Sitting here
now, a couple of years later,

727
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:05.440
How do you feel about that expedition? Do you think you really had experiences

728
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:07.679
with bigfoot while you were out there. I can't really say one hundred percent

729
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:13.360
that experienced bigfootsus I never saw bigfoot, but everything that happened to be on

730
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:19.519
expedition certainly lined up with what people
described with bigfoot encounters, whooping, knocking,

731
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:23.159
and definitely resonate with your experience in
Canada in that area. Obviously,

732
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:28.280
we were not as deep in the
woods as you were. I've and radiant,

733
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:30.800
but the Pinemarns is still a very
remote pace at night, and you're

734
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:35.960
not going to have people out there
who are just gonna be running around looking

735
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:39.199
for bigfoot research or trying to spook
them or anything. Looking back on it,

736
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:44.199
I do legitimately believe that I encountered
something. We as a group of

737
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:51.079
people, we definitely experienced collectively what
I do believe was sex squatch activity.

738
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:53.639
Obviously without seeing one. That's the
closest I can really say to it.

739
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.960
You have to think while you're out
there, and you're out on expedition,

740
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.679
like you're probably going to have people
who are going to look at you thinking

741
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:04.880
you paid all that money. That's
a lot of money that could go into

742
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.280
someone's pocket. You got to understand
the circumstances of where we were at.

743
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:13.920
It was very hard for people to
just sneak up on a bunch of people

744
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:19.199
armed with thermal cameras. It's not
very forgiving as far as being able to

745
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:22.400
just run through the woods at night
and sneak up on a bunch of people

746
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.000
and not be seen. Is it
possible, Sure, but it would have

747
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:29.800
to be like playing like a navy
seal ambush or something. I mean,

748
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.400
I'm skeptical about a lot of the
stuff I hear and all that stuff,

749
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:37.199
But when you have this encounter,
and you have this experience, it certainly

750
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:42.280
does raise that antenna. Like man
am I being too skeptical to the point

751
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:45.360
where it actually sounds more crazy to
say that it was people. Because I'll

752
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.519
tell you this now, Brian,
this was not an animal. This was

753
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:53.559
not any native animal woop bang or
howling or whatever we've heard. I'm pretty

754
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:57.760
good with animal sounds, and some
of the noises of animals I can fix.

755
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:00.960
And foxes. I know fox makeim
screening. I know that rauccoons chatter,

756
00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:06.039
I know Kayati's will how and tits
will sound terrifying. I believe me.

757
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:08.400
I've heard of paka kayti's take them
namel before. It was the most

758
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:13.519
horrifying noise in the world. Bar
owls actually make a monkey chatter type sound

759
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:16.639
where if you looked it up,
it sounds pretty freaky. It sounds almost

760
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:22.840
like samurai chatter. This was none
of that stuff. This was totally something

761
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:29.320
that was being made with lips and
a tongue, and something was definitely responding

762
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:32.119
to our calls and something was up
be coming closer. Like I said,

763
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:35.880
even to this day, I got
in the woods and if I hear something,

764
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:39.239
I will immediately, Oh, it's
a bar owl, it's a fox,

765
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:44.119
that's a kayti. It's pretty simple, especially with the small amount.

766
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:49.840
We don't have a huge diverse ecosystem
of mammals and birds out in the pine

767
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:53.079
barrens, especially any large ones that
you might hear at night. So yeah,

768
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:59.000
I definitely leave that expedition thinking to
myself that this was an experience of

769
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:01.760
some kind. And at this point
I said, I don't really care what

770
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:05.119
people think about it. It's like
I said, I even have to look

771
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.039
in the mirror, like, man, do you think you're just a little

772
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:09.159
bit overboard with this type of stuff, and do you really think that this

773
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:14.159
is probably not exactly what you experienced. I tend to look back on it,

774
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.559
and I think, no, I
experienced what I experience. It's not

775
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:22.000
just the fact that I experienced my
experience. Hearing people who don't know each

776
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:25.199
other experiencing a road crossing on the
same road around the same time of the

777
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:30.280
year, five years apart. How
does that even happen without them knowing each

778
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:36.000
other. How is it that people
will go out put their livelihoods on the

779
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:38.679
line to say they experienced something,
Because you got to think a large amount

780
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:43.000
of people. I'm sure there's people
out there who are legitimately have never experienced

781
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:45.559
anything. That's fine. I welcome
skepticism of every kid. I would rather

782
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:49.159
be in a room full of skeptics
and a room full of bel years,

783
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.320
because I would like to have my
mind change. I would like to have

784
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:54.880
somebody say, oh, you know
what, there's actually a migration of these

785
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.159
type of birds they go up there
at that time of the year. Maybe

786
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:00.679
that's what you've heard. So I
woke them all sorts of stuff like that.

787
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:07.079
But like I said, this was
something that looking back on it,

788
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.159
it definitely seemed very unlikely that it
was people. It was definitely something that

789
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:15.199
seemed like it was more or less
activity. I've never seen a bigfoot.

790
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:22.039
I think I've had two possible Class
B sightings, and then the eye shine

791
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:25.440
on that expedition at this quitt iniceable
to this day. Like I said,

792
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:29.199
until I see one, I'm never
going to say I fully believe in it.

793
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:31.760
But man, it's my ears and
eyes open to the possibility of it

794
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:37.760
from what I experienced on that expedition. For sure, I'm somebody who will

795
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:42.199
certainly put aside any sort of belief
to look at the most logical reason.

796
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:47.199
I'm a scientifically based person. I've
done work with snakes and wear animals and

797
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:52.039
stuff. I looked to think of
myself as scientifically minded, but it's almost

798
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:57.360
gotten to the point where your own
skepticism can get in the way of really

799
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:00.760
making any sort of progress as far
as research goes. So I'm very open

800
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:05.840
minded. At the same time,
I do question everything I hear from my

801
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:13.199
owneers from other people's experiences, not
that I disbelieve them necessarily, but human

802
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:19.000
hearing and human eyes are flawed.
It's hard for you to remember exactly what

803
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:22.320
happened. I'm sure there's some details
I missed on my expedition that maybe I

804
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:27.639
didn't have in my notes, but
I made sure that once after that expedition

805
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:30.639
happened, I wrote down as much
as I could from that night so that

806
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:36.199
my brain was as fresh as possible
from everything that happened was on that piece

807
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:39.840
of paper, and nothing was skewed, nothing was messed up, because man,

808
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:44.039
if I'm not going to bring a
recorder with me, i'd better write

809
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:47.079
down exactly what happened. Truthfully,
That's what I did after that expedition,

810
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:51.840
for sure. Very cool stuff.
I really appreciate you coming on and sharing

811
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:52.920
your experience, Jake. I've had
a blast talking to you. Thank you.

812
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:58.199
Thanks for having me on, Brian. They say you do go,

813
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:32.159
you can't stay, and I don't
want to feel world out. Chart this

814
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:38.719
chart, that chart everything. Call
me right back, ride back the joy

815
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:57.480
for me, enjoy staying right there, Come in right away. Yes,

816
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:52.280
still stas stass ss st st state
still cost games in states, US sets

817
00:57:55.280 --> 00:58:02.400
us ness never him