1 00:00:18,039 --> 00:00:21,600 Welcome back to the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Jordan Boyd, a staff writer 2 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:25,239 here at the Federalist. Today, I'm happy to be joined by Miriam Grossman. 3 00:00:25,679 --> 00:00:30,960 She's a board certified adult and child psychiatrist, medical doctor, and she's 4 00:00:31,039 --> 00:00:34,759 here to discuss her new book, one of five that she's written. So 5 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,520 Miriam, welcome, Well, thanks for having me. Jordan. Let's start 6 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:46,159 by telling us a little bit about this book and the idea for it and 7 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:52,200 sort of the driving force behind why you wanted to publish this particular message. 8 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:00,280 Well, the name of my book is Lost in TransNation. A child psychis 9 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:11,879 guide out of the madness, and I felt after a few years of seeing 10 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:23,599 families with a child who was questioning whether they were male or female, and 11 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:30,519 also helping that child or young adult, I was I'm just very deeply concerned 12 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:44,200 about the belief system that is being the rhetoric about gender that is being presented 13 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:53,599 indoctrinated into our young people, because it's a belief system that is not based 14 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:59,840 in science, and it is not based in medicine, and is being present 15 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,400 to young people, well to all of us, but especially to young people 16 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:13,479 as if we're you know, it's scientifically proven facts that you can be something 17 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:22,520 other than what your body is, and that what you feel you are overrides 18 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:28,960 what your body says you are. Now, you can have that belief that 19 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:35,520 that's possible. But what I'm saying is number one, you're going to pay 20 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:42,840 a price for denying your biology, and sometimes a very high price. And 21 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,439 number two that this belief system, because it's not based in anything scientific, 22 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:53,520 should not be taught in schools. I mean a lot of people believe that 23 00:02:53,599 --> 00:03:00,520 we have a soul. That's not a scientific belief. It can't be proven, 24 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:06,439 right, but nonetheless it's a belief that many people do. You have 25 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,800 that belief, but we're not teaching it as a fact, certainly not in 26 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:17,319 our public schools. But we are teaching in our public schools as a fact 27 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,840 that children may be born in the wrong body. And that is a very 28 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:32,719 destabilizing idea that has again no scientific basis to it. And I am arguing 29 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:42,479 that kids and families are paying a really high price for these beliefs. Absolutely, 30 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,039 And you know I couldn't help, but notice that your book leads with 31 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:51,800 I think I counted more than a dozen pages of dedication to various people and 32 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:54,759 groups and even some anonymous Internet accounts. Can you tell me a little bit 33 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:00,319 more about your decision to include that long list. Yeah. The book is 34 00:04:00,479 --> 00:04:13,960 dedicated to parents who have children or young adults who are in distress over their 35 00:04:14,199 --> 00:04:21,279 being male or female, and who have embarked on this journey of living life 36 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:30,000 as the opposite sex or as some other version of the sex that they are. 37 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:38,079 So the book is dedicated to five hundred parents from seventeen different countries. 38 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:46,839 And these are the parents, many of whom I spoke to by zoom or 39 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:51,680 on the phone, and they, many of them, were in their bathrooms 40 00:04:51,879 --> 00:04:59,120 or their basements, and they they were speaking to me as if it was 41 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:05,560 some criminal act to seek my advice, which it certainly, most certainly is 42 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:12,160 not. But they felt that way, nonetheless, and so I dedicate the 43 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:18,040 book to them. They are the heroes. They are not the criminals. 44 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:30,120 And I say the criminals are the individuals, the sex educators, the American 45 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:41,519 Academy of Pediatrics, the guidance counselors in schools, the individuals in our government 46 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:55,000 who are all promoting this narrative that is completely unscientific and for which kids and 47 00:05:55,199 --> 00:06:01,680 families are and will pay a de stating price. You touched on this a 48 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:08,040 little bit ago, but in the book you discussed this concept of settled science, 49 00:06:08,199 --> 00:06:13,079 and we know there's no settled science that gender experiments such as chemical castration 50 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:17,160 and mutilation are good. But what kind of evidence based consensus is there that 51 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:23,120 blocking biology is damaging and irreversible? And is the medical community, you know, 52 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,680 the psychiatry community, are they just blissfully ignorant of this or is this 53 00:06:26,759 --> 00:06:31,959 something they deliberately look past to kind of advance an agenda. Well, you 54 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:38,600 see, this is also another issue that parents are woefully unaware of. And 55 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,839 one of the reasons that I wrote the book was to bridge there's this chasm 56 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:49,439 between what parents know and what they need to know on this subject. And 57 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:55,000 when I say parents, I'm not only including those parents who are dealing with 58 00:06:55,040 --> 00:07:00,920 this issue now in their home. I'm really addressing all parents, because no 59 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:09,439 family is immune. And this adam bomb of a child suddenly, you know, 60 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,279 turning to his parents and saying, I'm not your son, I'm your 61 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,399 daughter, and I need for you to call me this new name and new 62 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:21,279 pronouns and take me to a gender clinic so my puberty can be blocked. 63 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:29,000 This is like an Adam bomb falling, you know, into your home, 64 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:34,600 and parents need to be prepared for it. So I'm encouraging even parents, 65 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:44,839 well especially parents of small children, to inoculate their families against these beliefs. 66 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:51,920 The answer is that there is no medical consensus on this issue. What there 67 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:58,399 is is a debate, and it's a very heated debate, and it's a 68 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:05,920 debate that parents are not hearing about. They are being led to believe by 69 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:13,160 the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Endocrine Society and other groups, and by 70 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,800 government authorities such as doctor Rachel Levine. They are being led to believe that 71 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:31,839 there's a medical consensus, meaning that there's been extensive research and debate and discussion 72 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:39,919 and back and forth and very very careful deliberation before guiding parents on this issue. 73 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,480 And that is simply not the case. There has been no careful deliberation, 74 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:52,480 at least not in this country. Other countries, yes, Sweden, 75 00:08:52,879 --> 00:09:01,399 Norway, Finland, England have all very carefully examined the evidence, the scientific 76 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,919 evidence, the data that we have collected over the past decades on this issue, 77 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:15,639 and they have all unanimously agreed that we simply don't have evidence that there's 78 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:22,919 long term benefit of medicalizing these kids, but we do have evidence of long 79 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:31,159 term harm. And that is why if you lived in London or Stockholm or 80 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:39,159 Oslo, and you have a child who is questioning and wanting to, you 81 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:45,399 know, asking about delaying their puberty using medication, it's going to be nearly 82 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:56,200 impossible to get that puberty blocker unless you you qualified to enter a you know, 83 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:01,440 a a a study that's be be done like in an academic medical center, 84 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,559 in which you will be screened very carefully and followed very carefully. And 85 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,759 that's going to be a small number of people that are accepted into a study 86 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:20,039 like that, a clinical trial. So in all those places you simply can't 87 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:26,320 get these puberty blockers, whereas here in the US, puberty blockers are given 88 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,120 out like candy, and they're given out sometimes the first, the very first 89 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:35,440 visit that a family may make to a gender clinic or second visit. And 90 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,159 how do we know that? How do I know that? Well, as 91 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:48,240 I write in my book, there there's an incredibly brave, courageous whistleblower by 92 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,159 the name of Jamie Reid, and she used to work in the gender clinic 93 00:10:52,279 --> 00:11:00,600 and at Saint Louis Children's Hospital. She worked there for four years, and 94 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:05,000 she was on the front lines and she saw what was happening there, and 95 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:13,679 it upset her so much that she ended up she became a whistleblower. She 96 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:22,440 went to the Attorney General's office in Missouri and gave testimony as to what was 97 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:28,279 actually going on in that clinic. And it's it's just astonishing, Jordan. 98 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:35,240 I mean, it's just hard to believe that doctors would be, you know, 99 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:41,519 just knee jerk reaction to these kids who are mentally ill, kids who 100 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:48,679 have all sorts of issues, emotional issues, coming in and demanding that their 101 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:54,399 puberties be stopped. And instead of exploring their mental health issues and giving them 102 00:11:54,399 --> 00:12:00,600 the help that they need, they put them on the assembly line toward these 103 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:09,360 medical interventions. And the quote that was so disturbing that Jamie Reid provided and 104 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:13,919 that I use in my book. In fact, I dedicate two chapters in 105 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:18,720 the book to Jamie Reid's testimony. But she quoted one of the doctors that 106 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:22,480 she used to work with because she left that gender clinic she couldn't stomach what 107 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:28,039 was going on. One of the doctors described the work that they were doing 108 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:37,799 there as we are flying the plane while we are building it. We are 109 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:41,000 flying the plane while we are building it. In other words, we don't 110 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:48,600 know what we're doing here. We're we're treating these kids, and we're kind 111 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:56,720 of finding out if this is a good idea through treating them. I mean, 112 00:12:56,759 --> 00:13:03,279 it's it's terribly disturbing. And you know, I used that quote in 113 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,879 fact, when I was at the House of Representatives in Washington in June this 114 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:15,240 past June, and I testified on this issue of gender affirming care. We 115 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:22,960 cannot be building the plane while we are flying it. I mean, are 116 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:31,720 you kidding me? If we are providing interventions to children that end, you 117 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:41,879 know that that basically are going to cause lifelong disfigurement and possibly sterilization. We 118 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:50,399 better have really good, not gold level evidence, but platinum level evidence before 119 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:56,919 we even think about doing anything like that. And what I explain in the 120 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:03,279 book is that the evidence isn't there. The US is really an outlier. 121 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:09,759 The US and Canada are really outliers when it comes to these treatments. And 122 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:15,279 a few weeks ago, there was an astonishing letter published in the Wall Street 123 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:24,519 Journal that was signed by twenty one different experts in gender adolescent medicine and from 124 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:31,799 nine different countries, And that letter to the Wall Street Journal basically said it 125 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:37,960 was directed toward the president of the Endocrine Society endochronologists, of course, being 126 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:45,440 the doctors who prescribed hormones blockers and cross sex hormones. And this letter essentially 127 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:50,399 said, what are you doing. There's no evidence for this, What are 128 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:56,759 you doing to your kids? 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Check out the watched Auto on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski 137 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:37,320 on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast, and I mean, 138 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:43,240 you're right, it's horrific, it's dangerous, it's insane. And one 139 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:46,440 of the things that you mentioned in the book, you kind of kick off 140 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:52,039 your introduction with this profound confession that after forty years, I've realized my most 141 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:58,480 challenging fight is not against dangerous diseases, but dangerous ideas. And in your 142 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:04,360 experience, how has the dangerous idea of radical gender ideology evolved from theory to 143 00:16:04,399 --> 00:16:10,799 practice, Like, how did we go from cross dressing to mutilating children in 144 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,399 the span of just a few decades. I think so many people are taken 145 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:18,759 aback by how quickly this seemed to come upon the normal public and how did 146 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:25,440 that happen? Well, it does seem like it happened, you know, 147 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:30,039 at tremendous speed. And certainly the epidemic that we're in the middle of now, 148 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:36,159 the tsunami of kids of five thousand percent increase in the number of kids 149 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:41,639 that are presenting with this issue, that is very recent, you know, 150 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:48,840 that's maybe since twenty fifteen, twenty thirteen, So that has happened recently and 151 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:55,759 quickly. But the ideas have been around for a long time. The idea 152 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:03,279 of having an identity, like a ecological identity that's separate from your physical body. 153 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:08,839 That idea has been around for a long time. Gender theory has been, 154 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:19,000 uh, you know, popular in in the universities, gender studies and 155 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:27,839 other radical you know, radical social movements, let's put it that way. 156 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,839 So I discovered when I wrote my book. I wrote a book in two 157 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,160 thousand and nine called You're Teaching My Child What? And that was a book 158 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:45,720 about sex education and how and what we're doing to our kids in our comprehensive 159 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:56,079 so called comprehensive sexuality education programs, exposing them to graphic, really pornographic material 160 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:03,480 and not providing them with the biological facts that they need in order to stay 161 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:11,279 healthy and in order to make smart choices. So I discovered when I was 162 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:18,319 reading and researching sex education that look, I just stumbled across the stuff about 163 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,680 gender now a right mind. This was in the late two thousands and so 164 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:30,839 I found all these different like Planned Parenthood and an organization called Sekis. Most 165 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:37,359 people haven't heard of it, but it's a very prominent federally funded group that 166 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:45,720 provides curricula sex education, curricula that as part of their sex education, they 167 00:18:45,759 --> 00:18:52,119 were doing the gender education as well, and they were telling kids that sex 168 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,240 is assigned at birth. That phrase that drives me crazy, because sex is 169 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:03,599 established at conception, not assigned at birth. But they were, you know, 170 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:12,559 they were introducing to kids this belief system that male and female is only 171 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:21,119 one of many choices, and to separate humanity into male and female only is 172 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,440 false and is oppressive and is wrong, and it had that system has to 173 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:32,799 be taken down. So it was couched in these political sort of revolution you 174 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:37,480 know, Marxist kind of revolutionary terms. We have to fight this. This 175 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:44,640 is oppressive. Now. You know, biology tells us that, you know, 176 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,640 all all mammals, and we are mammals are sexually dimorphic, so we 177 00:19:49,759 --> 00:19:56,720 come as either males or females. And it's not a oppressive binary. It 178 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:04,839 is just simply the truth. That is what male and female means. So 179 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:12,240 when I discovered that these things were being taught to to students, and often 180 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:19,319 pretty young students, I was terribly alarmed, and so I included a chapter 181 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:25,279 in that book, You're teaching my Child What It's coming out in paperback for 182 00:20:25,279 --> 00:20:29,839 the first time. Next month, I included a chapter called gender Land, 183 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:37,960 and I predicted that this gender, these ideas about gender being fluid, and 184 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,119 you know that you could be many different genders and that it was your choice 185 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:48,720 which gender you're going to be, that that was destabilizing to kids, and 186 00:20:48,759 --> 00:20:53,680 it was dangerous to kids, and that it was going to end in catastrophe. 187 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:59,799 And Jordan, it gives me no pleasure to say that I was right 188 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:07,559 and it has ended in catastrophe. So most people really only discovered this belief 189 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:15,200 system very recently, but it has been around in sex education and in the 190 00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:19,880 universities for a long time. It's so crazy, and you know it's it's 191 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,160 not even in schools. I mean, one part of your book, actually, 192 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,880 before you even get into really the nitty gritty, you have a whole 193 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:33,920 section devoted to language and how you changed or even perspective on calling, you 194 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,480 know, a man a she or a woman a he. Can you walk 195 00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:45,240 us through that evolution on your stance and talk about maybe there's people out there 196 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:51,200 who work at jobs who are required to use pronouns in the workplace and use 197 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:56,359 inaccurate language. How can they strike a balance between what is thrown in their 198 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:03,160 face as compassion and what is biologically true and necessary for society to move forward 199 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:08,240 and function. Yes. Yes, the answer is yes. There is help 200 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:14,599 and there are resources, and I have a lot of them listed in the 201 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:22,160 book and on my website Miriam Grossman MD dot com. There are parents support 202 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,240 groups. We didn't we didn't have this a few years ago, but we 203 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:33,480 do now, thank god, we do have a network of parents support groups. 204 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:40,680 There are organizations that are dedicated to supporting the parents and helping them find 205 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:48,039 therapists that will not you know that don't buy into the narrative, and therapists 206 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:53,599 who understand that when a child makes this declaration, what they are saying is 207 00:22:53,640 --> 00:23:00,400 that I want to be I want to be a different person. I don't 208 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:07,880 want to be myself, and the therapist job is to figure out why there's 209 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:15,000 a reason for that. A person just doesn't randomly come up with this idea. 210 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,559 A girl doesn't just randomly say I'm a boy or I want to be 211 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,519 a boy. My life will be better as a boy, I'll feel more 212 00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:27,160 comfortable as a boy. I just know inside of me that I really am 213 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:33,400 a boy. These are things that have to be explored closely and over time. 214 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,079 It takes time. You have to get to know the patient. It's 215 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:44,119 just like any other kind of therapy. It takes time. You explore, 216 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,039 you know, you learn all about the patient's life, their family, their 217 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,559 friends, what's going on at school, how do they feel about themselves, 218 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,960 what have they been through in their lives, what trauma have they've been through, 219 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:03,079 what are their dreams, their concerns, And then slowly, and I 220 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:07,119 describe this in the book. I describe a few patients that I've had that 221 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:15,559 have gone through the process of therapy, and they have come to they have 222 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:22,440 returned to accepting who they are, their biology, and they've turned away from 223 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:32,480 a path that would lead them to medicalization, and they are at peace with 224 00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:38,480 their bodies, and they are grateful for having avoided and their parents, of 225 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:47,480 course, are extremely grateful to have avoided those interventions. So I would tell 226 00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:52,359 parents that there are many resources, and I would tell them also that they 227 00:24:52,400 --> 00:25:00,119 should start early when their kids are still small, and educate the child and 228 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,160 tell them things like, you know, you were a boy or a girl 229 00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:07,759 from the moment that you existed, from the moment that you were created. 230 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:14,000 You have always been a boy or a girl, and you will you will 231 00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:18,119 always be either a boy or a girl. Now That doesn't mean that there's 232 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,960 only one type or one way of being a boy and a girl. There's 233 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:26,440 so many different ways. And you want, you know, you want your 234 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:33,880 son to know that there are boys who who are not into sports, and 235 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:41,720 they're not into you know, building things and what have you. All these 236 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:48,240 stereotypical you know, rough and tumble play and all those ridiculous stereotypes that we 237 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:52,599 have. There are boys that are interested in in what might be considered more 238 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,119 feminine things. And it doesn't mean that they're not boys. That's just a 239 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:03,440 ludicrous idea. There are different types of boys, and different types of men, 240 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,319 different types of girls and women. We are all a mosaic of male 241 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:15,680 and female, but we do not want to harm our bodies in any way. 242 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:22,440 We want to find ways that we are comfortable expressing that mosaic of male 243 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:30,359 and female without hurting our bodies. So I want kids to be hearing that. 244 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:36,000 I want them to know, especially that sex is not assigned by some 245 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:40,680 random person who happens to be in the delivering room when you're born. I 246 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,119 want the child to understand that that is not true. So when they do 247 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:49,240 then hear it from other people or other sources a red flag. You know 248 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:56,119 they think about it and they can say to themselves, no, no, 249 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,319 no, no, that's not right. I know that's not right. I 250 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:06,359 know that male and female is determined at the moment of conception. So you 251 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,640 have to reach your child first. I promise you. There are many people 252 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:18,559 out there that are that want to reach your child before you do and influence 253 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,119 your child, and even I would say, recruit your child into their belief 254 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,240 system. So you need to be on top of it. You need to 255 00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:33,720 certainly be on top of their Internet use. And I have an entire appendix 256 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:41,880 in the book written by an expert on parental controls of Internet of the Internet. 257 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:52,759 I can't emphasize enough how important that is. I also have two appendices 258 00:27:52,799 --> 00:28:00,759 written by lawyers who are experts and parent rights. Parents have the constantutional right 259 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:12,160 to be to be in charge of their child's education, upbringing, and medical 260 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:19,240 care, and schools are infringing on that right. I have a chapter on 261 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:25,480 schools. I want parents to know no matter what age their child may be. 262 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:30,000 I don't care if if the child is a month old. I want 263 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,200 you to know what's going on in schools, and I want you to know 264 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:41,359 how to be proactive with that school so that if one day your child happens 265 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:47,799 to announce at school to the guidance counselor that she's not sure if she's male 266 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,759 or female, that school is going to have the heads up in writing that 267 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:57,640 in no way will you go along with them permitting her to change her name, 268 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:02,599 change her pronouns, or use the bathroom of the opposite sex. This 269 00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:07,119 is what is going on at schools behind parents backs, and you know it's 270 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,680 it's not even in schools. I mean one part of your book, actually, 271 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,400 before you even get into really the nitty gritty, you have a whole 272 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:22,559 section devoted to language and how you changed or even perspective on calling you know, 273 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:26,200 a man a she or a woman a he. Can you walk us 274 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:33,119 through that evolution on your stance and talk about maybe there's people out there who 275 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,839 work at jobs who are required to use pronouns in the workplace and use an 276 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:44,880 accurate language. How can they strike a balance between what is thrown in their 277 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,680 face as compassion and what is biologically true and necessary for society to move forward 278 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,400 and function. Well, you know, I can, certainly I can talk 279 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:03,079 about what I did, but I cannot advise people who in the workplace, 280 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,680 you know, they may lose their job, they may be shunned, and 281 00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:11,319 deal with all sorts of issues. Everyone has to decide on their own how 282 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:15,640 they're going to deal with that. What I talk about in the book is 283 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:27,519 the decision that I made regarding the use of the pronouns for transgender identifying people 284 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:33,960 that I was going to be discussing in the book, and I had to 285 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:40,720 decide at the beginning if I was going to use that new vocabulary that included 286 00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:47,440 words like non binary and cis gender, whether I was going to use pronouns, 287 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:59,319 you know, preferred pronouns for individuals. And what I thought about early 288 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,359 on was a few things. One is that, first of all, this 289 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:11,240 new language that's being foisted on us, really many of the words have no 290 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:18,079 coherent definition. The word non binary, the words cis gender. I'm not 291 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,000 comfortable using those words because I really I don't know what's what's meant by those 292 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,000 words. They don't they don't make sense to me. I mean, I 293 00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:32,319 know how they're defined. I know that non binary means neither male nor female, 294 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:37,119 but that doesn't really make sense to me. So I was also aware 295 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:48,920 of the fact that these new terms and new ideas erase an ancient word, 296 00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:55,559 the word woman, and that if we're saying a man can be a woman, 297 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:02,200 which is what the new language obligates us to do, then the word 298 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:10,559 woman means nothing. So, you know, I thought hard about it. 299 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:20,119 Maybe I should just decide case by case and call a woman she if maybe 300 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,000 if, if, if this person had lived as a woman for decades or 301 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:30,759 made great efforts to appear female, or maybe I need to do that just 302 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:37,039 out of kindness and respect. And I explained how decades ago, if I 303 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:45,279 had had such a dilemma, I certainly would have called a man she because 304 00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:51,119 I am respectful and I am compassionate, and it would have been a very 305 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,359 rare instance, you know, one in many tens of thousands. And why 306 00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:04,279 not just be courteous and why not, you know, be empathic. It 307 00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:08,160 would be an empathic kind of behavior. But you see, we're living in 308 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:16,200 different times right now, and we're living during a time when there's a crusade, 309 00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:22,680 a turbocharged crusade. I would say that seeks to demolish male and female. 310 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:29,640 And part of that crusade, the success of that crusade, I should 311 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:38,039 say hinges on controlling our language. And so if I, under those circumstances, 312 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:44,559 the way things are right now, to call a man, she is 313 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:50,920 giving in to that, to that crusade, and in a way joining that 314 00:33:51,000 --> 00:34:00,640 crusade, and I'm not going to do that. I emphasis size in the 315 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:06,599 book that male and female are permanent, and I urge parents to be honest 316 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,360 with their kids and consistent with their kids, and to stay grounded in reality, 317 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,559 biological reality. And I've always done that and I'm not going to stop 318 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:22,239 right now. So anyway, long story short, Jordan, that was kind 319 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:29,239 of long. But I decided that, even though it's cumbersome, that I 320 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:36,079 would avoid pronouns for transgender identifying persons in the book, and that I would 321 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:45,280 reject the new vocabulary because I've seen the suffering which it leads to, and 322 00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:49,280 I will simply I will have no part of it. Right. Well, 323 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,320 I think that's a great policy to have. That's one that we had, 324 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,639 the federalists have too. We prioritize truth and it's true to call a mini 325 00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:01,480 man. So thank you, doctor Miriam Grossman for joining us today. Can 326 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,679 you tell everyone where we can find you and your book? Yes, yes, 327 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:12,320 my website is Miriam M I R I A M. Grossman g R 328 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,320 O S S M A n MD dot com. You'll find a lot of 329 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:23,760 good stuff there, a lot of material for parents to use and others. 330 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:30,679 Anyone who's interested in this topic. Videos, my testimony and Congress is up 331 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:37,320 there as well. And then I'm on Twitter Miriam Underscore Grossman. Great, 332 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,000 well, thank you again for joining me today. Your insight is so helpful 333 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:45,079 and I'm so excited to share this with our listeners. Well, thank you, 334 00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:47,920 Jordan, thanks for having me on. You've been listening to another edition 335 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,599 of The Federalist Freedio Hour. I'm your void, the staff writer here at 336 00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:55,400 the Federalist. Until next time you are as the freedom and anxious for the 337 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:02,159 frame, you will be home