1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,719 Golf Smarter number three hundred and forty five, published on August seventh, twenty 2 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:11,080 twelve. Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain insight and 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:18,160 advice from the best instructors featured on the Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction 4 00:00:18,399 --> 00:00:25,000 Never gets old. Our interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,160 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. And one of 6 00:00:29,239 --> 00:00:33,960 the things we've done is taken fifteen eighteen handicapped players even sixes and eights with 7 00:00:34,079 --> 00:00:36,960 one of our top assist of pros who's a scratch guy, and he's a 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,079 good player, and we've pled them play nine holes and they get to play 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,439 Joe's drive and see what they shoot. The next nine hole Joe plays their 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,479 ball in after they get it inside nine iron range, which for Joe is 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,759 about one point forty. What we find is they usually drop their score by 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,280 one shot if any on the nine holes they got to play his drive, 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,560 But on the nine holes that he played their ball in from nine iron range 14 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,920 in he usually beats in by five to nine shots. So where do you 15 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,319 think you should spend your practice time? If you get better inside nine ron 16 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,239 rape. When you put a nine onn and less in your hand, I 17 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:11,719 don't care what your handicap is. Your next shot should be a birdie button. 18 00:01:11,799 --> 00:01:14,640 Now. If you're a twelve or fifteen eighteen handicapper, I mean give 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,480 yourself thirty thirty five feet twenty five feet. If you're a low single digit, 20 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,519 you ought to be hitting those shots on the average fifteen eighteen feet from 21 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:23,079 the hole, but you ought to be knocking the flag down there once a 22 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:34,000 while with those two and three and five foot birdies. Short game technology finally 23 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:40,920 enters the twenty first century with Terry klebs Is golf Smarter sharing tips and insights 24 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,599 from golfers and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked for your 25 00:01:45,599 --> 00:01:49,480 host, Fred Green, Welcome back to Golf Smarter. Terry was glad to 26 00:01:49,519 --> 00:01:53,359 be here. Fred. It is great to have you. The last time 27 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:59,519 you were on back in November, we introduced your new line of well, 28 00:01:59,519 --> 00:02:01,959 we don't want to home wedges just yet, but you score forty one sixty 29 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:08,680 one, and the response from the golf Smarter community was very impressive. As 30 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,840 far as I'm concerned, you guys got a lot of interest in the clubs 31 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:16,039 at that point, didn't you. We have, and not just from your 32 00:02:16,039 --> 00:02:19,800 community, but the other communities we've gotten involved in. You know, we're 33 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,280 a small company. We're going up against the giants in the golf industry. 34 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:28,120 We're going up against a lot of conventional wisdom, which you know you've known 35 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,400 me for a long time. That's something I challenge, you know, willingly 36 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:36,800 and willfully. And what we've done with score forty one sixty one is is 37 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:42,680 really challenge how golfers think about their whole set makeup, particularly the short end 38 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,759 of the set. Well, you know, golf is seems to get stuck 39 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:53,120 in I don't know. I don't want to use the word tradition there, 40 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,159 because that's not stuck tradition. You've got to honor tradition, but just old 41 00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:01,840 ways of thinking well and does And what's interesting, I just wrote an article 42 00:03:01,879 --> 00:03:07,159 the other day for a magazine called how modern technology has hurt your scoring? 43 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:13,639 And you know what we've seen in the last couple of decades with this emphasis 44 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,199 on distance, and you know, the manufacturers have really pushed the envelope, 45 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:24,800 you know, from drivers to the golf ball, to fitness techniques to irons 46 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,599 and hybrids and fairways, and you know, all of these things are pushing 47 00:03:29,719 --> 00:03:31,120 you know, longer, longer, longer, hit it further, hit it 48 00:03:31,159 --> 00:03:37,719 further. Athletes are bigger, more finely tuned athletes playing golf than we ever 49 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:45,000 had before. And this, this all out, relentless pursuit of distance has 50 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,719 changed the game so dramatically, not just at the highest level, you know, 51 00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:52,680 the tour players, but across the board down the rank and file amateurs. 52 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:58,400 And my take on that, fred is that it has changed our set 53 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:01,919 makeup and the way we play golf courses entirely. And that has been really 54 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,719 to a detriment of the average player. And I mean the recreational golfer who's 55 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:10,199 out there trying to break eighty or ninety or even one hundred is not the 56 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:14,280 tour player. He's not in the fitness trailers, he's not being you know, 57 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:17,079 spend three days in a fitting van, but he's still hitting it further 58 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,680 than ever before. And the reality is that's changed your whole set makeup. 59 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,160 And this is something whenever I get a chance to have a soapbox, so 60 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:30,000 to speak, I talk to people about if you thought about your lineup, 61 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:32,560 your team as I call it. You know those fourteen clubs in your bag 62 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:40,519 that you have to score the golf course with. And what is the response 63 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,839 to that. Well, when you sit people down and say think about this 64 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,240 for a minute, the overwhelming response is, wow, that makes a lot 65 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,839 of sense. Why has nobody ever done this before? So let me back 66 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,600 up and tell you kind of how this whole evolution. Please, I look 67 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,519 back. I'm sixty years old. I started playing golf as a kid in 68 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,439 the fifty and through the sixties, and you know, all irons were blades 69 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,879 back then, and we learned how to hit. I mean we were admonished, 70 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:12,240 and you know my generation of Kite and Crenshaw and Watkins and all those 71 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,040 guys, we were admonished to learn how to hit the ball really solid and 72 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:17,560 really good. Distance will come with size, as you get bigger, you'll 73 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,319 hit it further. But with the equipment, the persimmon woods and the blade 74 00:05:21,319 --> 00:05:25,720 irons, you had to learn how to hit the ball precisely. And we 75 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:28,279 all learned how to score. We learned how to get the ball in the 76 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,079 hole. And we had what I have called the round club mindset. And 77 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,680 that is when we put an eight nine er pitch in our hand. And 78 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,480 these were the clubs with the rounded top line, hence the round club. 79 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,040 We really could score the golf course with those clubs. Now, back then, 80 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:46,519 the eight iron was in the low forty degrees of loft, the nine 81 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:49,560 iron was mid to high forties, and the pitching wedge where the peak club 82 00:05:49,639 --> 00:05:54,560 pitching wedge was a forty nine to fifty to fifty one degree fifty two degree 83 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,519 golf club. We pitched the ball. Our short range scoring club was our 84 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,319 pitching wedge. We pitched the ball all with that golf club. And you 85 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:05,120 did it from multiple distances. It's not like you had, you know, 86 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,000 your one hundred club, your seventy yard club, your ninety yard club. 87 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,839 No, and you know, and we didn't hit the ball as far because 88 00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:14,560 the balls didn't go as far, and we were dealing with higher lofted golf 89 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,040 clubs. But we scored the golf course with these round clubs. When you 90 00:06:17,079 --> 00:06:19,680 got into the four or five and six iron, the old blades were hard 91 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,920 to hit, man, trust me, they were tough. So when when 92 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:27,759 the first kind of kicking the pants that we got, so to speak, 93 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:31,399 was when the advent of the cavity back golf club, and it was a 94 00:06:31,439 --> 00:06:34,720 wonderful innovation that made four or five and six irons hard to hit, I 95 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:40,399 mean easy to hit. The problem is is this concept we have of a 96 00:06:40,519 --> 00:06:45,160 match set means they all look alike. And so while they changed the four, 97 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,279 five, six, seven iron into these and three iron into these cavity 98 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,480 back, perimeter weighted clubs that were much easier to get airborne, they were 99 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,560 much more forgiving to move the contact around on the face. They made that 100 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,360 eight nine and pitch cavity back, thin faced golf club too, and those 101 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:01,399 clubs are already our money clubs. Those were the clubs we knew how to 102 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:05,079 hit straight, but they got dragged along because of this concept of a match 103 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:11,040 set. So fast forward a decade or two, and now people are having 104 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:15,399 trouble with these short clubs hitting them so high. Because the design was for 105 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,319 a four iron or a six iron to hit the ball high. You already 106 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:20,360 got a bunch of loft on that eight nine peak club. You don't need 107 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:24,040 waiting to get it in the air. It's already got a bunch of loft 108 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:28,439 on it. And so the manufacturer started cranking the lost now, so that 109 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,120 pitching wedge of when I was a child, of fifty to fifty one degrees 110 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,439 became forty seven and eight and now forty five and six. There are at 111 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:38,360 least two or three sets of irons on the market today that the peak club, 112 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,000 which I don't call it pitching wedge anymore, is forty three forty two 113 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,800 and a half degrees. This was my eight iron when I was a teenager. 114 00:07:44,959 --> 00:07:46,959 What do you call it? It's a peak club. I call it 115 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:50,079 peak club club. You could name all your clubs Susie, Joe, Bill, 116 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,560 John. That's just a number. It's just a name. But you 117 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,519 need clubs of high loft. So one of the comparisons I draw to people 118 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,519 is Ben Hogan Byron Nelson, Sam snead to of me to marry fabulous era 119 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,879 of shot makers. Even the moderntor players, if they would pay attention, 120 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:11,759 would know these guys were awesome. Ben Hogan's book Power Golf that he published 121 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:16,839 in nineteen forty nine, he listed his yardages, and he listed his regular 122 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:24,399 minimum and maximum with each club. His five iron regular yardage was one hundred 123 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:28,959 and fifty five yards five iron, okay, his maximum was one seventy five. 124 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,240 So the first question I would ask your listeners is look at your what 125 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:39,720 you consider your regular iron yardage, and do you have an extra twenty yards 126 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,639 in reserve with that golf club? Because Ben Hogan was, and I argue 127 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,320 this name made the best shot maker in the history of the game. He 128 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,879 made a golf ball do what he wanted it to do with very inferior product 129 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:52,919 equipment to what we have now. But he said, a regular five iron 130 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,039 is one fifty five. I can hit it one seventy five if I need 131 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,759 to. A minimum is one forty five. So if you think about that, 132 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:05,159 now, his five iron for loft and length, what was about the 133 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:11,440 same as a modern seven or eight. Okay, but ben Hogan hit it 134 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:13,039 one fifty five. It was also much heavier, and the shafts warn't his 135 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,519 advanced and athletes were in his advance. But here's where I like to draw 136 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:22,960 the comparison. So Ben Hogan, when he was inside one fifty he had 137 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,879 a five iron, a six iron, a seven iron, an eight iron, 138 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,720 a nine iron, a pitching wedge, and a sandwich. He had 139 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:35,159 seven club options to navigate that last one hundred and fifty yards. The modern 140 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,159 tour player and the modern amateur that's listening to this podcast right now. Look 141 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,759 at your bag, guys, how far do you hit? What do you 142 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,440 hit? One hundred and fifty yards? A lot of guys are trying to 143 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,360 hit nine iron that far, even eight iron. So you've got an eight, 144 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:50,799 a nine, a pitch, sand wedge, lob wedge, maybe a 145 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:56,879 gap. You got four maybe six gulubs that go under one fifty, under 146 00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:01,120 one fifty, under one fifty. Ben Hogan had seve the modern tour player 147 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,279 only has three or four clubs in his bag to go under one fifty. 148 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,600 Yeah, I mean, aren't they talking about you know, he's two hundred 149 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,000 and twenty yards away, he's pulling out a five iron. It's like, 150 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:16,120 what what it is? And so here's my point. If ben Hogan had 151 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,720 seven clubs to navigate the last one hundred and fifty yards of the each hole, 152 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,080 and a modern tour player or you amateurs have four, you need to 153 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,960 be twice the shot maker ben Hogan was, because you got half as many 154 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,679 options as he had. And if you think about it that way, it's 155 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:37,639 like that's kind of absurd. Then the other thing is just the geometry of 156 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,159 a golf club set. And if your golfers will go out and take golf 157 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:43,440 balls in their laser out on the golf course, or they're gps. You 158 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:50,240 will find that your gaps between clubs out at the long end of your set, 159 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:52,639 between your three wood and your five wood, your five wood and your 160 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,519 hybrid, and your hybrid and your second hybrid, your hybrid and your fore 161 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,120 n, whatever you carry out there, you will find those gaps at eight 162 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:03,279 and nine yards. If you go to the short end of your set and 163 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:05,720 go to your scoring clubs, those clubs over forty degrees a loft, you 164 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:11,480 will have your gaps at fifteen and eighteen yards or more. Now, really 165 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,360 that does makes sense, right, But that's the geometry of a golf club, 166 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,919 and we've always built them this way. And again I'm a big challenger 167 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,799 of conventional wisdom, but we've always built clubs a half inch difference between club, 168 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,519 four degrees of loft difference between clubs. But the fact is, at 169 00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:31,919 the short end of the set, those gaps widen four degrees and a half 170 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,320 an inch makes gaps too wide. If you're at one seventy five and you 171 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,759 have a four or five iron in your hand, or a six iron whatever. 172 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:43,639 However, long. You are forty feet long and short from one seventy 173 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,799 five. It is a great shot. Forty feet long and short from ninety 174 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:52,480 stinks. I don't care if you're trying to play the PGA Tour, if 175 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:56,279 you're trying to break one hundred, you need to have distance control. Closer 176 00:11:56,519 --> 00:11:58,679 the closer you get to the green, you need to be able to dial 177 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,559 it in. So what really has happened with modern technology is that it has 178 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:07,799 compressed all of our clubs at the long end of the set. Because they 179 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,960 only made the three iron two degrees stronger than ever, but they've made the 180 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:13,639 nine iron six and seven degrees stronger than ever. Well, what's that doing 181 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:18,399 is compressing all your clubs towards the long end of the set. But if 182 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,919 you have over three or four shots outside of five iron foreign range in a 183 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,080 round of golf, you're playing the wrong tees. Man, You're not on 184 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,799 the right tees. This is not a game that is supposed to be attacked 185 00:12:28,799 --> 00:12:31,519 with your fairy woods and hybrid's hole after hole after hole. That is not 186 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:35,600 the way the game is played. If you find yourself that you can't reach 187 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:41,399 par fours, you're hitting hybrids and fairy woods constantly move up a set of 188 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,120 tees. Guys, you'll enjoy the game a lot more. This game is 189 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:48,399 designed to be a middle iron game with five or six seven holes giving you 190 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:50,639 a short iron or wedge end three or four holes making you hit a long 191 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,000 club in That's the way the game is supposed to be played at any level, 192 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,759 and find the t's that let you play it that way. I mean, 193 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:01,919 to me, I've felt like the perfect golf courses. When I get 194 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,240 through, I've hit every club in my bag. To me, that's a 195 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:09,720 great piece of architecture. But in modern golf, golf courses have not kept 196 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:11,639 up with technology. I mean, like in my little hometown, for example, 197 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,240 I'm playing on a country club that was originally built in nineteen twenty fours 198 00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:18,559 remodeled in nineteen eighty, and we don't have any more room. We don't 199 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,799 have room to link on the golf course. So it's sixty nine hundred some 200 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:26,679 mid yards. In nineteen eighty when this course was renovated, we were playing 201 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,639 for simmon woods and mostly blade irons. Into that sixty nine hundred. It 202 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,360 was quite the test. But now that's sixty nine hundred. There's a lot 203 00:13:35,399 --> 00:13:39,120 more short iron shots and reachable part fives than there was back then. But 204 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,840 the municipal course in town plays at about sixty five hundred. That's long as 205 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:48,519 they can make it. When I was living in this town in my twenties, 206 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,840 which I was a whole lot stronger than I am now at sixty, 207 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,799 I had a lot of five, six seven irons on that golf course. 208 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,480 Now at sixty that golf course is a driver wedge course because the course can't 209 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:03,399 keep up with technology. So golfers are hitting more short clubs than they ever 210 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,039 were before, and they're carrying less short clubs to do it with. I 211 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:16,279 mean, there is just a disconnect there that makes any sense. Yeah, 212 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:18,720 it makes a lot of sense. And I you know, we've had so 213 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:26,840 many conversations on golf Smarter about the marketing dollars that go into big club manufacturers, 214 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:33,320 the giants as you refer to, and that actually that their marketing budgets 215 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:39,879 are far greater than their R and D budgets. So you know, it's 216 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,279 the I guess it's the concept of being able to make, you know, 217 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:48,320 one set of clubs to fit a whole lot of people, right am I 218 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,679 am? I on the right track with that. Well, you know, 219 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:52,200 I mean, for example, one of the major companies, who I won't 220 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,159 name right now, introduce seven new iron models last year. Seven. Wow, 221 00:14:56,679 --> 00:14:58,559 how can you? I mean, how am I going to start through 222 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:01,600 this as golf? I need? You know, if I like pure blades, 223 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,919 make me a pure blade. If I like you know, if I 224 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,159 say, I just want to make this as easy as possible, to make 225 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,279 me a cavity back with a bunch offsets, I don't slice it and then 226 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,440 give me something in between. I mean seven nobody can do just at seventh. 227 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:16,879 Well, here's this losing one hundred and twenty million dollars last year. 228 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:22,759 Yeah, what I don't understand about coming out with seven new lines of clubs 229 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:28,200 this year and seven next year. They're not changing there? Haven't they reached 230 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,440 the limits of the rules they're allowed to reach as far as the USGA is 231 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,879 concerned. Aren't there limits on what they can do to golf clubs? Yeah? 232 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:39,519 I mean you've got a coefficient restitution on drivers and fairways, you know, 233 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:43,399 hollow clubs, and that's been pushed to the limit, you know, 234 00:15:43,559 --> 00:15:46,279 I mean the big companies. It used to be it was kind of like 235 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:50,320 cars back in the sixties, if any of your readers are that old. 236 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:52,600 And you know, my parents went out bought my mom and a new car 237 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,240 every three years, and it really wasn't much different than the one they had, 238 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,960 but it would just that's how w's when you traded, and the car 239 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,759 companies, you know, antiquated their models because they wanted to keep this buying 240 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:10,639 pattern intact. The big golf companies have gotten into what I think is a 241 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:14,360 death spiral, and they're introducing new models every six or eight, nine months, 242 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:17,679 ten months. And I'm sorry, guys, if you have bought a 243 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:19,799 driver in the last four or five years, chances are there is no driver 244 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,639 out there it's going to give you any more distance. Now, I don't 245 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:26,240 make drivers. The big companies would tell you, you know, yeah, 246 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,279 yeah, yeah, there is. Well, you know, if you can 247 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,799 give me eight or ten extra yards every nine months, I got to be 248 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,879 hitting at four fifty by now, I mean, but I can't. I'm 249 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:41,120 not and and but but if you look at that, they're coming out with 250 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,840 a new driver, radical new driver every eight or nine or ten months. 251 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:47,320 Got five, six, eight, ten companies doing that. Yeah, but 252 00:16:47,879 --> 00:16:51,240 radical you mean like they painted the head of it white. Well yeah, 253 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:53,240 but I mean they're trying to tell you it's radical because you know, they've 254 00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:57,559 they've got people trained that you know, hey, it's August. I'm not 255 00:16:57,559 --> 00:17:00,639 going to buy last year's model because the new one will be out. However, 256 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,200 last year model is two hundred dollars cheaper than it was. Exactly, 257 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,440 maybe I want to do it. I mean, there is one company who 258 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:11,559 will remain nameless, but you know, they might make drivers and other colors 259 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:17,519 than black. But they actually they actually you can buy a twenty twelve model 260 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:22,759 driver. I mean a trade retail store can buy brand new twenty twelve, 261 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:26,000 twenty eleven, ten, and two thousand and nine product. They're still making 262 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:30,000 it. It's all in their pricing strategy interest, so they will throw a 263 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:33,240 new model out there. Polaroid Camera did this for years. They would introduce 264 00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:37,160 the new Polaroid land Camera at you know, this premium price point, and 265 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,200 they would skim all the early adapters. Then they would facelift it, drop 266 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:45,480 the price twenty bucks, and skim the next round drop and then do it 267 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,039 again. And they do that three or four times. It's the same technology, 268 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:51,920 but they keep dropping the price point to you know because that guy that 269 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,440 says I'm not buying it at four ninety nine, but when it goes to 270 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,480 two ninety nine, I'm all over it because my friends like their people that 271 00:17:56,519 --> 00:18:00,480 are slower to adapt, you know, and I'm not. I don't want 272 00:18:00,519 --> 00:18:03,480 to. I want I don't want to pick on the big companies too. 273 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:04,880 If you read my blog, I only pick on about every other blog. 274 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,640 But you know, the thing is, is you spend money, you want 275 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,799 real improvement in your game. I have to believe somewhere in my heart that 276 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,039 when a golfer goes into a store to get a fix and I think about 277 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:18,440 a new putter, new driver, pair shoes, Somewhere in the back of 278 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,200 your head, you're going and I'm thinking, hoping that this is going to 279 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,720 help me lure my handicap. Isn't that the ultimate motivation? I mean, 280 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,359 you know some golfers, I'm not sure it really is, but somewhere in 281 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,039 the back of the mind, that's some kind of justification. And I'll drift 282 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:37,640 into an aside here. People talk about people giving up the game of golf, 283 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,920 and golf is in trouble. We're losing players and the most common thing, 284 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,200 and I'm a drift off here is that's good people say. People say, 285 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:48,400 yeah, that it takes too long and it costs too much money and 286 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,799 it's too hard. Okay, they don't say it's too hard, but that's 287 00:18:52,839 --> 00:18:55,440 what it is. Well, I thought there was. I thought I actually 288 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,720 thought it was the three. The three things that they identified of why people 289 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,400 are more people are leaving the game than starting is that it cost too much, 290 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,200 it takes too long, and it's too hard. Well, they won't 291 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,799 tell you it takes too hard unless you get into a deep focus group with 292 00:19:07,839 --> 00:19:11,920 them, because that's kind of self defeating. They tell you it cost too 293 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,720 much, it takes too much time. Well, you know what snow does, 294 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,319 snow skiing, and it's a growing sport and it's a lot more expensive 295 00:19:17,319 --> 00:19:21,480 than golf because you can't you know, you've got and all the other things. 296 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:26,200 What they mean is this takes too much time, it costs too much 297 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,039 to have this little fun. But the guy that the guy that's gone from 298 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,079 a twenty two to a nineteen, to a seventeen to a fourteen to a 299 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:40,799 twelve, he's as he's not quitting either. He's playing more golf because this 300 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,119 is fun. If you're getting better. This is a fun game. And 301 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,759 people that quit they say it takes too much time and it costs too much 302 00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:49,319 money, so they give up golf. So what do they do just lay 303 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,359 around on the sofa for that five or six hours every Sunday and put their 304 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,599 money in their bank account. No, they find another pastime that's more fun 305 00:19:57,079 --> 00:20:00,079 for that amount of time and money. It may be with their kids. 306 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,519 It may be fishing and maybe boating, and maybe stamp collecting or building furniture. 307 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:07,319 But they're going to find something else to do with their time and money. 308 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,680 Because they have the time and money, they're just going to reallocate it 309 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,799 because they weren't getting a payoff, so they have to identify something and blame 310 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,440 something but alone. But really what it is, it's an individual thing of 311 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,559 people going, I'm just not getting better. This is not fun. This 312 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,559 game is hard, and it's hard because we get a constant dose from TV 313 00:20:27,319 --> 00:20:32,359 that if you could just hit another fifteen yards, that's the secret. And 314 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,240 then I personally, I mean, like, I don't know if any of 315 00:20:34,279 --> 00:20:38,359 your listeners watch. I watched the Avon Masters of the LPGA tournament the other 316 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,160 day. It was one of the best golf tournaments i've ever seen. These 317 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:47,519 ladies were knocking flags down and making putts from everywhere. There were no meltdowns. 318 00:20:47,519 --> 00:20:52,599 There were just strictly great golf and it was fascinating. And I'm watching 319 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,200 ladies hit you know, eight irons from one to fifty five. They're in 320 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,400 the mountains and I'm sitting there going, you know, this is what we 321 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,680 average golfers can relate to. And then you go over here to PGA Tour 322 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,599 and this guy's like, you know, he had a three thirty two off 323 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,480 the tee and he's got you know, one seventy five left on a par 324 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,440 on a five hundred and fifteen yard part four and he's hitting seven iron. 325 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,039 Really, I can't relate to that. You're you're little what I would related 326 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:17,359 at the at the Open Championship, the British Open, I related to one 327 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,079 shot and that's when Graham mcdall almost killed those people. Yeah when you hit 328 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,759 that shot, that just like chilling all these people that hit the deck. 329 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,359 Yeah, it's like that I related to and I was like, awesome, 330 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,640 I can do that. So you know, I kind of got off on 331 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,640 ten, but that's a way, and it's just that if you are trying 332 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,319 to break one hundred or trying to break ninety, trying to break eighty, 333 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,559 trying to qualify for a PGA Tour event, if you will focus on getting 334 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:48,359 good inside one fifty and and what that means is learning how to hit the 335 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,920 ball one thirty two and one forty one and one twenty seven and one sixteen 336 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,200 and knowing that you can dial in that yardage. You know, there's a 337 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,440 little bit of box on that scorecard, and nobody says, well, you 338 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,599 know, John, you hit it in there with a pitching wedge from one 339 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,359 forty two and I hit it in with an eight iron from one forty two, 340 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:10,799 and we made the same score. But you win the hole because you 341 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,359 hit a shorter club than I did. That isn't the way this game works. 342 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,440 What's the number? And the fact is if all of your listeners, 343 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,480 and I would tell all of you guys, I don't care what skill level 344 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:22,319 you played to tour player on down. If you will learn how to hit 345 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,599 the ball shorter and more controlled with your scoring clubs and that's eight iron, 346 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:32,440 nine iron on down, your handicap will go down because nobody cares if you 347 00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:34,359 hit an eight iron from one forty two or pitching wedge. The question is 348 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,440 how close was it? Did you make it do what you wanted it to 349 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,359 do. And anybody can learn how to hit a good, controlled scoring shot 350 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,599 with a high loft golf club because it's all about technique. These LPGA players, 351 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,000 Natalie Goldbis was on fire. She just kept hitting it all over the 352 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,759 hole. And I personally I don't like Natalie's golf swing that much. And 353 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,880 a great lady and super looking gal and all that, but I don't like 354 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,599 her gosween that much. But man, she was firing darts these flags. 355 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:03,240 She was. She hit more shots close to the hole than I've seen any 356 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:07,960 male tour player hit in the last two years. I mean, she was 357 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,920 lasering him in distance. Control was perfect, her directional control was perfect. 358 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:18,039 And the fact is she hits it like a girl. Well that's my goal 359 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:19,440 in life is to hit it like a girl. If that's what that means, 360 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:23,559 you know, so, you know, but if you want to go 361 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,079 away for someone, you hit it like a girl. Thank you, thank 362 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,279 you, yeah, thank you very much. You know that girl made eight 363 00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:33,400 birdies and shot sixty five to win that tournament. That I'd love to hit 364 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,599 it like a girl like that. So you know, the point being is 365 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,400 if you learn how to hit it controlled, and you learn how to control 366 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,400 your short clubs, and you know, this is what you know. My 367 00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:47,400 shame was plug here. This is what score forty one sixty one is about. 368 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,519 I looked at the what the tools were given to try to do that 369 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:55,359 with, and when the whole groove thing came about, and I started rethinking 370 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,079 the old island wedges and trying new grooves, and somehow I got outside the 371 00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:03,039 box. I said, why do we even carry wedges? I mean Ben 372 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,960 Hogan. I'll go back and refer to him. Ben Hogan listed his maximum 373 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,559 yardage with the sand wedge forty yards because it was a big flanged golf club 374 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:14,240 that was designed to get the club ball out of the bunker, and Hogan 375 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:18,559 knew it also was a very good pitching club for short pitch shots, but 376 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,400 it was not a full swing golf club because the weight was so low in 377 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,759 the club it ballooned the ball in the air. And all of your listeners, 378 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:26,519 I'll ask every one of you, for every one of you that can 379 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:30,279 legitimately tell me that you hit your wedges too low, there is one point 380 00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:34,799 seven million of you that hit them too high, because they're designed to make 381 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:40,359 the ball go in the air. And you already have fifty to fifty five 382 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,559 degrees loft in this club. You don't also need all the weight low in 383 00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:47,160 the golf club. And so what we did is we looked at the weighting 384 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,960 of the scoring clubs. We threw away this whole term of wedges, and 385 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,359 we looked at how can I give you pinpoint distance control so I can give 386 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,960 you a vertically enhanced sweet spot. Because we all know when you hit a 387 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,200 wedge shot high in the face, it doesn't go anywhere. Well, there's 388 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,519 nothing up there. Look at your golf club, Look at the way it's 389 00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:06,839 designed. There's nothing up there. But when you hit one real thin, 390 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:10,920 it goes forever because that's where all the mass is. Well, I mean, 391 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,759 we even that out in the score forty one sixty one line. The 392 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:19,880 other thing is we looked at at matched irons. The industry designs six irons 393 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:25,160 at twenty four to twenty seven to twenty eight degrees aloft. They test it, 394 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,559 tweak it, make it right, and then they say, okay, 395 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:30,319 make all the irons look like this. A six iron to a peak club 396 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:36,240 is sixteen or seventeen degrees in a modern set, you know where you have. 397 00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:38,319 If you go sixteen or seventeen degrees the other way from a six iron, 398 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,839 you have a driver. Now, nobody ever said I love my six 399 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,119 iron? Can you make a driver look like that? In fact, we've 400 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,000 even found over the last ten or fifteen years that if you go down about 401 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:52,079 eight or ten degrees lower than the six iron into the four and three iron 402 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,880 range, this thing called a hybrid works a lot better because we can make 403 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,960 that low lofted club easy to get up in the air by moving the way 404 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,200 low and back. Conversely, when we go to the high lofted club, 405 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:07,079 already got the loft on the club. I've got forty or forty five, 406 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,240 fifty to fifty five degrees a loft. It's going in the air, but 407 00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:12,160 the average golfer is struggling to keep it out of the clouds. He doesn't 408 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,119 know how far it's going to go, because the harder his wings, the 409 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,960 higher it goes, maybe the shorter it goes. Well. Conversely, if 410 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,039 we move the weight up on that club and rethink how that club ought to 411 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:26,039 be used and what you're after that's what score forty one sixty one does it. 412 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,119 It's a total reinvention of the short end of the set. It's an 413 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,359 approach of making all of your money clubs your club's over forty be a match 414 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:41,720 set within a set. I have to breathe now. I was wondering, 415 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:47,039 like, what happened? Why'd you stop? Well, you know the thing 416 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,920 is, is that what you want from your scoring clubs, your club's over 417 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:55,279 forty degrees is you want three things. You want feel because these are the 418 00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:59,440 clubs that you hit in between shots a lot. You don't really try to 419 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,200 hit in between foreorns very much, but you're always hitting in between pitching wedges 420 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,119 and nine irons and gap wedges. So you got to have feel. That's 421 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,519 part of the shaft, that's part of the head metallurgy. We've done two 422 00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:11,880 great things there. The second thing you want is distance control. Like I 423 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,640 said, thirty feet longer short from one seventy is great. Thirty feet longer 424 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:26,200 short from ninety is horrible. Well, I remember the last time that you 425 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,240 and I were together on this show back in November. We use the title 426 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:37,319 of give me ten feet closer over ten yards farther any day of the week. 427 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,960 And I've repeated that so many times that I can't tell you. When 428 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,240 I say that to people, their face it says if I kicked him in 429 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,119 the head with something. They've never thought of it. It's like, oh, 430 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,480 yeah, yeah, you're right. We asked, We offered one time, 431 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:55,440 and this is we have this thing called the Score Project. We kick 432 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,720 around and one of the things we've done is taken fifteen eighteen handicapped players, 433 00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:04,119 twelve pandicap players out on the golf course even sixes and eights with one of 434 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,200 our top assistant pros who's a scratch guy. I mean, he's a good 435 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:11,559 player, and we've taken them out with Joe and we've let them play nine 436 00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:15,759 holes and they get to play Joe's drive and see what they shoot. The 437 00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:19,400 next nine hole, Joe plays their ball in after they get it inside nine 438 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,400 iron range, which for Joe is about one point okay, no matter how 439 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,519 many it takes them to get there. What we find is they usually drop 440 00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:32,160 their score by one shot on the nine if any. On the nine holes 441 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,960 they got to play his drive, But on the nine holes that he played 442 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,000 their ball in from nine iron range in he usually beats them by five to 443 00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:42,519 nine shots. So where do you think you should spend your practice time? 444 00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:47,079 If you get better inside nine iron range, If you get better, I 445 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:48,759 don't care whether that's one hundred and five yards or on hundred and forty five 446 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,200 yards. If you get better inside nine iron range, when you put a 447 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:56,880 nine ron un less in your hand, I don't care what your handicap is. 448 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:02,000 Your next your next shot should be a verty, but it maybe if 449 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,680 you're a twelve or fifteen eighteen handicapper, I mean give yourself thirty thirty five 450 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,000 feet twenty five feet. If you're a low single digit you ought to be 451 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,400 hitting those shots on the average fifteen eighteen feet from the hole, but you 452 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,960 ought to be knocking the flag down every once a while with those two and 453 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,039 three and five foot birdies. And if anybody can learn to do that, 454 00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:22,720 it is a one hundred percent technique, zero percent strength. I mean it 455 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:26,160 is. I mean, I've got to you know. I mean you look 456 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,640 at in look at the ladies that play professional golf, watch them drive tax 457 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,519 I mean, I guarantee you the men on tour are If there's such a 458 00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:36,640 thing as a body strength index, the men are three to five times stronger 459 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,680 than the ladies are more, and yet the ladies can hit it just as 460 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,519 good, you know, and I'm not sure they're not better. To be 461 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:47,200 honest with your inside one fifty now, I mean, I'm not going to 462 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,400 denigrate the men's game, but you know, these ladies are good. And 463 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,319 it's not about strength. It's about technique and anybody can learn it. Not 464 00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:56,880 that you're going to be an LPGA Tour player, but I would tell you 465 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:03,680 the average better amateur at every club cannot hold his own with an LPGA Tour 466 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,640 player on a sixty five to sixty eight hundred yard golf court. He'll get 467 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:12,559 drummed every time. I've always tried to keep in my head of turning three 468 00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:18,279 shots into two inside of one hundred and fifty yards exactly, but I don't 469 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:23,119 succeed. But I gotta tell you since and full disclosure here, I've been 470 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:30,640 playing Score the Score golf. It's forty one sixty one wedges now since it's 471 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:37,079 getting close to a year, I mean probably since I was September October of 472 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,319 last year, and I've fallen in love with these clays. You know. 473 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:45,440 It's like I get excited when I can pull them out because it's like I'm 474 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:49,240 feeling and this is something I've always focused on and wanted to achieve. His 475 00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:55,920 confidence. I just feel confident that I'm going to hit the distance I want 476 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,480 to hit. I'm going to get the ball to stick where it hits or 477 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,119 maybe even get a little backspin. It's like, well, who I did 478 00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:04,519 it? You know, because it took me a long time to figure out 479 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,799 how in the hell you hit backspin? Let alone do it. I still 480 00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:12,799 them figured out to drop, but I don't really care. But it's it's 481 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:19,279 just a confidence factor that I have using these wedges that have made such a 482 00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:25,799 huge difference in the way I approach my shots. Well, and we hear 483 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:29,240 that all the time. And if you spend a little time and you get 484 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,480 confident with these clubs, you know, and I'm going back to the modern 485 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:37,480 technology. So you have a very thin faced Losen or Gravity nine and pe 486 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:42,319 club in your bag, and then you have a break to these aftermarket wedges. 487 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,519 And let's be honest, guys, the wedges that are on the rack 488 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:51,720 this year from Didlers, from Cleveland, from every other company looked just like 489 00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:56,519 they did forty years ago. What other category will that sell in your shoes, 490 00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,119 don't look like the balls aren't like the teas. Even I used to 491 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,400 tell people, you have two things in your bag with forty year old technology. 492 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,200 That's your your wedges and your golf tees. And I can't say that 493 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,160 about teas anymore. And they got all this technology now, thank god it 494 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:15,480 closed. Don't look alike. But the point being is that is that wedges 495 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,920 are just that they are wedges. They are a throwback to days of persimmon 496 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,039 woods. They're not any different. And right in the middle of money range, 497 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:24,799 you have your nine and your p that looked like a six iron, 498 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,440 that were designed to work like a six iron. They're not precision shot making 499 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,559 instruments. Then you take a complete skip, totally different shaft, totally different 500 00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:37,599 flex, totally different head design, totally different everything to your gap wedge or 501 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,480 your sand or whatever you carry. Right in the middle of money range, 502 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:45,400 you have this massive disconnect between the type of club you're playing, and that 503 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,759 just I mean, there's no logical reason why you would do that, except 504 00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:52,000 that's the way it's always been done. Well woods. Roy's made out of 505 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,039 persimmon two And when's the last time he saw somebody with one of those yeah, 506 00:32:55,319 --> 00:33:00,160 you know, golfpit. Yeah, exactly. Golfspikes were always metal, 507 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,599 and the last time you saw somebody wearing those other than the PGA, What 508 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,599 is the last time you were allowed to wear metal? Well, you have 509 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,960 to be on the PGA tour and then you can do it right, exactly 510 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:13,240 exactly what I have to be my nostalgia is I do miss that that idea 511 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:15,160 of coming out of the locker room with your metal spikes and walking across the 512 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,279 sidewalk kind of got your game face on it. Well, this sound of 513 00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:21,839 that, it's like the sound of it's like I got my game bas Yeah. 514 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,039 Yeah. Anybody who's ever put on spikes for baseball or played a little 515 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:28,279 leg or something to get you to that sounded on the gravel, It's awesome. 516 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,920 Hey, listen, Terry, we have kind of reached our thirty minute 517 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,799 limit a little bit past it, but that's okay. So there's a couple 518 00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:37,920 of things I want to bring up. First of all, is can you 519 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:42,799 and I continue this conversation on a member's only episode next? Oh? Absolutely, 520 00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:47,440 because I I you know, obviously you not only have history knowledge, 521 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,160 but you have an opinion and at least one at least one, and so 522 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,960 I want to really focus in on on scoring, on how to improve our 523 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,960 scoring with these any clubs as you like to refer them as, I'm not 524 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,880 going to call them wedges anymore. So we can we do a member's only 525 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,079 episode next time. Let's do that. We'll get into the details of the 526 00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:12,159 secrets of the tour players, of how they build that technique I'm talking about. 527 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,840 Okay, good. You know we want to help people play. I 528 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,800 mean, that's the driving force behind everything I do is if there's a better 529 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,119 way to get the ball in the hole, I want to come up with 530 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,159 it. I want to help people get it and score. Forty one to 531 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,239 sixty one is something I'm extremely proud of. It's a culmination of thirty year 532 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,519 career in designing golf clubs, and I just I believe we've pulled out all 533 00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,360 the stops here and kind of help anybody get better. We've got Champions Tour 534 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,639 players playing them. We've got one hundred shooters playing them. We've got ladies 535 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,599 we've got on the LPGA Tour, We've got Champions Tour guys, we've got 536 00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:47,280 developmental Tour players. You know, Stephanie Louden is an official ambassador for US 537 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,760 on the LPGA tour, and she kind of comes up to that whole hit 538 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,440 it like a girl. Thank Stephanie has got a great short game and so 539 00:34:55,519 --> 00:35:01,559 we and we actually have a set in play at the Pine Valley Club Championship 540 00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:05,840 which starts this weekend, so we know we got at least one set in 541 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,679 play there, so we'll pull for that guy too. Well. Unfortunately it's 542 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,400 last weekend. If you listen to it as soon as we published this show, 543 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,280 and if you listen later on that's okay too. So that's it for 544 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:21,239 today. And Terry, I'm excited about coming back and really focusing in on 545 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,119 short game scoring. Yeah me too. I'm looking forward to the questions that 546 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:30,239 your listeners send in. It's always fun answering specific questions from real people. 547 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:32,320 Terry, thanks a lot, buddy, Thank you, Brett. I appreciate 548 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,320 it. Look forward to the next time.