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Israeli ambassador stands for trans rights.
I know it's not Pride Month anymore,

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yall, but we have to talk
about this. In this article, in

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a notable stand, Israel's ambassador to
the US says trans rights are human rights.

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This is in an article from the
Jewish Telegraph Agency by Ron Campeius,

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which came out on June thirtieth of
this year. And in this article we

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learned that the Israeli Ambassador to the
United States, Michael Hertzug, called for

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a stand against intolerance and bigotry targeting
the LGBTQ community in the US and Israel

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at a Pride event that was held
at the US Embassy, and during that

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event, he said that gay rights
and trans rights are human rights and that

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ultimately love prevails. And additionally attending
that event was Rachel Levine, the Jewish

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and openly transgender Assistant US Secretary for
Health, who is an awesome person,

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who also spoke out in support of
trans rights and healthcare, saying these ideological

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and politically motivated attacks in numerous states
are not grounded in science or evidence of

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any kind. Ginger affirming care is
essential healthcare. And then they all proceeded

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to have what sounded like a fabulous
party at this event, So THEO give

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us your thoughts on this. Well, for me, it's kind of interesting

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because oh they have they have the
original books that gave people, you know,

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many, so many reasons to you
kate trans people or homosexual people or

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over the world. But I wonder
it's because they are not Christians, because

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you know, despite them being the
reason why their religion exists, they do

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not believe in Jesus as Christ.
So they are not Christians. Is that

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quite? Because they are you know, not openly as transphobic as certain people

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from the USA that we have seen. I'm I'm not sure, but I'm

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quite sure that Helen has way more
to say than me in here, because

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I see a certain flag over there
that gives me the clue that maybe,

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Helen, maybe you have something more
interesting to say than me. Yes,

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maybe, I don't know if it's
more interesting, but I definitely have opinions.

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So, um, I little rais
of sunshine, you know, UM,

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I will take them. I love
my little rays of U of queer

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sunshine makes me super happy. Um. So, we as we know and

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our regular views know, that's one
when we're on the show. Sometimes we're

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talking about things are are usually a
bummer. But the fact that um Michael

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Hurstbach with the Israeli Israeli Ambassador of
the US calling for a stand against intolerance

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and bigotry against the lgbt Q plus
community and calling for hay spechi and violence

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that kept happening in Israel the United
States needs to stop. That is a

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big deal because he could have touted
party lines, He could have kept his

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mouth shut. He could have just
said, you know, I'm just gonna

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get my job. You know,
I'm gonna I'm gonna pretend it's not happening.

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And he was like, no,
it's Pride Month, and I'm gonna,

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you know, stand up for people. And the fact and the fact

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that he's lying with Rachel Levine,
as you mentioned, Kara, who is

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Jewish and openly transgender and as an
assistant for the Secretary US Secretary for Health

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appear and she appeared in person in
her uniform, and she appeared before on

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video at the at this event,
and she was, you know, speaking

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about her experience and how um,
you know, even as a government official,

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that oppression and those feelings are still
very real. And the fact that

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you know, you know which was
you know, um good on the US

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the embassy um that they were like, well, we're gonna throw a bomb

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mass party and we're gonna speak about
you know how. You know, everybody

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should have equal rights in the US
and Israel and really it should be happening

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everywhere people. So um, I'm
really glad to see this happened. Like,

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like I said, little little oh
Dash is a queer sunshine and it

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makes me super happy. So Kelly, what do you got to say about

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this? I thought it was really
interesting that. I mean, there is

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a conservative wave that's happening in the
world today. It's it's happening in India,

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it's happening in United States, it's
happening in parts of Europe. It's

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definitely happening in Israel too. So
it was really good to see this bucking

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that trend. And I hope that
other countries can see this example being set

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and follow that example. You know. M Herzog did say that gay rights

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and trans rights are human rights,
and I think he's correct when because let's

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face it, gay people and trans
people are people. They're humans too,

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and they say rights. So I
yeah, I'm just hoping that this is

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going to be a really good I'm
not going to sing it, but a

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really good step in the right direction, and we're going to see this being

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copied more and more and more.
Well, Kara, what do you think

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about it? Where do you think
we should go with this? Yeah,

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I completely agree with your assessment that, yes, we are people, and

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it is a strange world we live
in where it is, you know,

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potentially a political landmine to say X
group of marginalized people should be considered part

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of the category of human. That's
a little weird that we have to say

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that. Yeah, I find that
just distressing even right, I'm sorry,

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but sorry forgotten it off. No, not at all. Yeah, I

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think that is wild, but I
am nevertheless glad that it is being said,

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and it's being said publicly and loudly
by some people, or at least

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one person who I wouldn't have necessarily
expected to come out saying that at that

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event, given you know, the
conservative stance of his government at this time

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and of ours as well. These
are hot button issues. You know,

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they could have said something different,
and they didn't. They said this,

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and I think it needed to be
said because, as the article goes on,

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to note. You know, this
was to some people perhaps surprising given

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the conservative stance of Israel's government,
which has you know, other members of

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that government have made homophobic statements recently. You know, they do not have

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particularly pro LGBTQ plus policies there.
And of course in the US similarly,

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we've been seeing a lot of rollback
or threats to the rights of the queer

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community here too. And so this, this statement was meaningful. It was

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important and notable that it was said
so publicly. So I do appreciate that

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that was done. And yeah,
I'm glad that we have an article that

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was positive. This is nice.
I'm excited. I mean, like,

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you know, rainbows and unicorns and
sprinkles going on in the background. I

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put on my unicorn crown. Better. That's better. Yeah, okay,

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now we can carry on. Okay, Tello, what else? Did you

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have any other comments? Yeah?
I want to bring the moot down in

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here, because well, first of
all, yes, I'm going to admit

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it finally a step in the right
direction. You know, Michael Harsl,

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who is the Israeli ambassador and sorry, he represents the most right wing government

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in the country's history. So a
person like be saying, as you said,

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oh, you know what, people
are people and their rights are human

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rights. Finally it's something good.
It means, yeah, they're starting to

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wake up. I hope this is
not just you know, political how to

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a political strategy to gain forwards or
something like that. But as you know,

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I'm obsessed with the harms of religion. One of the biggest harms of

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religions is that we have to say, guys, people are people. And

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we have to because I don't like
having to use specific types for people.

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I mean, we are people,
You are people, I am people,

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will are people sowever it sounds,
but yes, having to say, oh

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no, trans people, trans people
are humans, it's terrible. It's something

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that should not happen. And I'm
pretty sure some hundred years ago we have

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to say, hey, women are
people, or slaves are people. You

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know, people with different color skins
are people. It happened here in South

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America with the genocide that certain Catholic
church brought here. It happened in the

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USA with the slavery, it happens
in Europe. But then with women rights.

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I'm still nowadays and it's extremely sad
that we have to explain to people

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that, a, it doesn't matter
what your religion says, people are people

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and their basic rights are human rights
and you should respect those. And it's

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extremely sad that we need people in
power saying oh, yeah, I just

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realized that people are people just in
order to reach you know, those people

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who don't realize, oh, those
who are discriminating are people actually, and

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so that is for me, the
very, very depressing part of this,

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that we have to remind people that
people are people. So people are people.

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People, I am people are people. So why should it be that

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we're not living in harmony? As
a song sex, I'm not going to

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sing because I'm not. I'm not. I don't want torture anybody. So,

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um, you know, I really
wish this happened more often, especially

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living in the United States, because
our leaders tend to be kind of terrible,

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and especially when they're working so hard
to suppress rights of people. And

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the thing is, though, is
that life falls like so if you if

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you're you know, elected officials says
that, you know, trans people,

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queer people don't get equal access to
healthcare, jobs, education, you know,

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whatever, discrimination or people of color. Let's just you know, let's

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just go ahead, like if you're
not assist white straight mail, you know,

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um, you can even deal in
with some problems. And I think

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that it would be really nice if
people on the other side would speak up.

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It'd be really great, Um,
I wish. I mean, because

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even you know, UM Democrats and
UM left wingers in this country tend not

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to speak out as much as they
should and fight against this um And I

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think I think we're seeing the trend
of that changing right now. Yeah,

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we can see, but I think
we're seeing that changing. I think it's

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a good thing just to have voices, more voices on both sides. But

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go ahead, Helen, I'm sorry, Yeah, no, it's fine.

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We're very opinion people on the show. But I just because there's so much

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terrible rhetoric going on, I do
kind of forget that sometimes, especially amongst

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young people, like they're screaming from
the raptors, like I'm done with religion,

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I'm done with this bigotry. I'm
done with like, you know,

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not being able to make a living
wage. You know, they're done,

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you know, And I think that's
great because then it's silences the terrible as

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the more that you shout and make
a fuss. So I'm hoping that this

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will inspire also, right when people
that you know don't think there's anything wrong

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with queer people, you know,
to speak up more, because it would

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be kind of a really nice thing
to not be, you know, a

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big you know, I'm just hands
you know, I have I have issues

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with Bigger Tree, as you all
know. So my duck is you know,

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he wants, he wants, you
know, David Duck wants to quack,

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but I'm just not gonna land him
right now. So um So,

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Carr, you have something else you
want to say, I will just say

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that I need to get one of
y'all's ducks. But I do have with

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me here my dog snows Duck for
the Bigger Tree Duck in this episode,

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and I think he's doing a fabulous
tree. He is doing a very good

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Bigger Tree duck. Yes he is. He's he's not a big at himself,

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but he's happy to help us make
those points. So that's that's snows

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duck. Um that that was the
main point that I had prepared at this

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time. Kelly, you have something. I do have a few things.

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One of the things I was talking
to my evangelical friend, I actually do

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have one, and he brought something
up. We're talking about being humans,

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and he actually thought that trans people
were possessed by demon He literally thought that.

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And I thought to myself, well, it wouldn't it be true then,

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that you, as a good Christian, would want to help them instead

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of hating them the way you're doing. But no, I don't think it.

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Even even after I brought it up, it didn't register in his mind

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that even if they were possessed by
demons, as he thought that they needed

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his help and not his hatred.
And I thought that was a pretty interesting

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thing. Is that he that because
it's not at that point. It's not

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about as religion. This is an
ingrained bigotry. It's an idea that I

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just don't like these people. It
doesn't matter what my religion says. Even

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if I should be accepting these people
and helping him with their demon problem,

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I don't care. I just don't
like them. I don't like them,

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you know. So I know,
Kara, I know you had some about

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human rights you'd like to say,
so let's hear that. Yeah, yeah,

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you know, I don't want to, you know, put too much

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of a damper on the good mood
here. But you know, since you

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bring up demons and you know,
people just hating people for no reason.

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Um, I think it's also you
know, fair to mention it's It was

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interesting to me the way this,
uh, this comment was packaged around this

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idea that, oh, well,
we need to support the LGBTQ plus community,

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you know, because their rights are
human rights. And I just wonder

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how effective that packaging is, you
know, given that this is the Israeli

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ambassador to the US, and I'm
not sure either of our countries have the

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best, most spotless record when it
comes to human rights and taking care of

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all of the other marginalized groups that
we live with and around. And I

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wonder if y'all have any any thoughts
on that piece of it. I don't

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know TA does what I do going
forward. It was so um so yeah,

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the fact that we're we're still talking
about human rights, and you would

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think in twenty twenty three this would
just be like a basic thing that everybody

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has the right to, you know, basic human rights. You would think

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that this would just be a thing
that you know, people are people.

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But apparently we still have to have
these discussions. And as you pointed,

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out Israel and the United States.
Our history there are histories are not a

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very good shining example. I can
we got close to four hundred and fifty

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years even sooner earlier than that of
some really terrible things, um just in

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the United States alone. So you
know, I am glad that we are

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making a little bit of progress,
you know, but we still have a

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long way to go because until every
single human, all the people have equal

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rights, we are constantly going to
be liliming this hell so um so I

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you know, treat people like their
people. That's all you gotta do.

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It's super easy, you know,
it takes more energy to hate people,

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and you know, so don't do
that, you know, clear up of

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your mind for like you know,
watching Netflix or something like that and now

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walking around with like a stick up
at your bum that's my feeling on it.

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That was it. Yeah, people, that's it's a good, good,

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good idea to tie all this episode
that people the science is in.

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Yeah. Does anybody think that her
Zags might be setting him up for himself,

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up for a failure? Do you
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through the US government is going to
hurt him in any way? I don't

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know. I think in the context
that it was done, uh, probably

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not. I feel like it fits. They're at a Pride celebration. It's

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probably expected that people are going to
make pro LGBTQ plus statement. I think

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that it was probably very strategic that
he said it at that time, because

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had he said it at a different
occasion, I think it may have hit

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differently. So perhaps that was a
strategic decision on his part, which I

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think that's an interesting point. I
will now be doing some research later on

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with my friend Google to see if
he has made similar comments elsewhere, or

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you know, to follow along and
see if more statements come after this.

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I don't know what do y'all think. I think it depends on the we're

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under. It was under a different
administration, you know, maybe a little

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bit of backlash, but he has
he does have support within the government,

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so I think that he felt a
little bit more free to express that.

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You know, I'm not sure what
previous administrations how that would have gone.

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You know. I'm you know,
just just seeing, you know, because

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I know our track record, Taylor, do you have anything else do you

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want to say about this? I'm
done. I'm enjoying my queer sunshine,

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and I'm going to sit back and
sit by la Qui. Yeah, I'm

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mostly done as well. I guess
the only thing that I would say,

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as you mentioned, the USA and
Israel don't have the cleanest history, so

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do we have to applaud them?
Of course we have to applaud this change,

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But does it mean that they're really
changing? Let's hope, Let's hope,

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so let's see what Time says.
Let's get hopeful because we cannot be

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as deppressive always, so let's hope
and let's see what this leads to.

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