WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:09.679 It's the lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carneo and JP Sorrows. It's 2 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:14.960 the lapsed fans get all my years and wrestling. I've never seen anything like 3 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:23.679 it. L Well, it's the laps fan man by the one the ringer 4 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:26.839 to get about the sorrow with the real King of swing. When the bell 5 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:31.440 goes hanging to kick like men prone in the corner, rickets rash like sting. 6 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:35.399 Even Jerry King could take off the crown, nodding his head like a 7 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:39.679 d low brown which you get low down going even high up, flip you 8 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:43.079 on your head. But you know, coo driver, you speaking more knowledge 9 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:46.759 and dragon spits fire, give you more shocked than a head tree tires and 10 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:50.799 drop a more truth than the conn of sniper less you would a cocoon mut 11 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:55.880 Roddy Piper check a JP like j Y d drop the cupcakes and golden the 12 00:00:56.000 --> 00:01:00.280 green bar means the best podcast FU start to close of y'all, I've been 13 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:06.120 all right, boss, So I'm thinking here as we really round third base 14 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:11.040 and total NonStop Hogan if you can believe it. After twenty twenty three has 15 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:15.239 been completely devoted to looking back at the TNA run of Hulk Hogan. This 16 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:18.719 is not what I thought it was going to be. I know, It's 17 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:22.560 so much more, isn't it. And as we arrive on the doorstep of 18 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:26.879 twenty thirteen, right a decade later, here we are God, and I'm 19 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:30.239 coming around to a thesis. Do you know what it is? What is 20 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:34.200 it that the tail end of Hulk Hogan's TNA run the last year should have 21 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:42.799 been the first year with actual plans to build a new star and Bully Ray 22 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:47.760 as world champion around his daughter Brooke, which is a you know, a 23 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:52.079 card that they haven't quite played before, and as we've demonstrated, she's actually 24 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:55.439 quite capable as I guess, for lack of a better term, an actress 25 00:01:55.519 --> 00:02:00.319 and a wrestling storyline standpoint. Yeah, ye, Hogan his father as an 26 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:04.599 evolution of Hogan instead of just Hogan looking to come back and rip the shirt 27 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:08.759 and drop the leg again or sure something short of that. And it's kind 28 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:13.159 of sad that, just as in my opinion, and I'm fascinated to see 29 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:16.680 if you agree, the creative actually starts to click at TNA a bit with 30 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:22.879 Ugan involved. Um, it's way too late. Yeah, you know, 31 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:30.039 I don't know if Um, I don't know if I call it good. 32 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:36.560 I don't know if I call it clicking. I I mean, it's certainly 33 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.439 he certainly has better moments. Yeah, but it's very hard for me, 34 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:52.319 at least at this point, to uh differentiate, you know, or not 35 00:02:52.360 --> 00:03:00.759 differentiate, but to accept good Hulk Hogan when I've seen so much bad Hogan. 36 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.560 Yes, it's hard for me to watch this without having that in the 37 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:09.759 background. And I think always that was very much the psychology of the wrestling 38 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:14.759 fan. Back in twenty thirteen, is TNA launched the storyline around Bully Ray 39 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:19.400 eventually being revealed as the true leader, the power, the greater power, 40 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:24.199 let's say, right of ass Nates coming world champion, turning his back on 41 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:30.840 Brooke after according her winning Overhulk and actually marrying Brook. Hogan on an episode 42 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:37.360 of Impact to pretty substantial ratings and Aces and Ates do you mean the mid 43 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:42.800 carters and zeros. It's so funny, how like I'm going back and revisiting 44 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:47.240 this with context and perspective and sort of like hindsight benefit and people remember Aces 45 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:51.520 and Nate's fondly not I see people. I don't mean everybody. There are 46 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:57.360 people who do and they they liken it to or at least they they cite 47 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:00.080 Bully Ray's very effective work here in this ame goal and he'll turn at the 48 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.560 end as sort of like a stroke of genius as part of the Aces and 49 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:09.039 Ate storyline. But what's hilarious is it? Everything that's good about Bully Ray's 50 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:13.879 heel turn has absolutely nothing to do with aces and eights, right, And 51 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:19.360 and also if people that's how people kind of remember aces and eights, then 52 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:24.879 they don't remember the six seven, eight months prior because that ship. Yes, 53 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:27.800 you know, when he comes, when he makes the turn, it's 54 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:31.480 it's great, it's a good turn. It's it's it's exciting, it's interesting. 55 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:36.519 But in regards to that fucking group of idiots, it's way too little, 56 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:43.000 too late. Yes, the Aces and Eights is absolutely one of the 57 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:48.360 most insignificant storylines I've ever seen in wrestling. I mean, it's such a 58 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:51.439 disaster. I want you to just for a moment, and I actually will 59 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:55.160 ask you to do this, if you could please pull up the Aces and 60 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:58.680 Ates the music, and I want you to just describe. I don't want 61 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:00.560 you to, you know, mimic the sound of it. I want you 62 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.600 to just describe after watching all of this TNA content, after devoting more time 63 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:10.600 than anyone ever will to going back and re examining the whole help, TNA, 64 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:15.839 just what flows through your emotions? You're sort of psyche as you listen 65 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:19.240 back to the andates we're about to kiss it goodbye. So this is sort 66 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:24.279 of wistful for me at least, thank thank Christ for that. But okay, 67 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:38.240 here, hold on, here we go. Uh that's feeling. I 68 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:45.480 mean, I feel like boom boom boom, and I'm just like I just 69 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:47.519 like kind of start look down at my shoes, Like, I mean, 70 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:55.000 number one, this is not a group that I feel threatened by, not 71 00:05:55.120 --> 00:06:00.879 in the least. Like if anything that's more of a wolfpack vibe, then 72 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:02.920 it is an nWo black and white vibe, right, not not an invading 73 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:09.959 force, just a bunch of people trying to not cool and no, no, 74 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:17.959 no, no no no. I Also, I'm like, you obviously 75 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:23.800 don't know what we wanted in wrestling. I mean I say we like as 76 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.279 if I'm I mean, if people remember this fucking shit. Finally, I 77 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:30.000 don't, I don't know idea. I also at the beginning, I'm like, 78 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:34.360 I feel like it's gonna be a bon Jovi dett a little bit. 79 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:38.519 Yeah, maybe you know, there's a little bit of there. It's just 80 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:41.240 I don't know. I just got to the point going back through all the 81 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:43.639 stuff or TNH. Where as soon as I heard that song, I just 82 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:46.519 automatically felt like the wind was out of my sails. It's like, oh, 83 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:49.920 okay, here we go. Now these guys have to walk out slower 84 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:55.439 than any natural human would walk pretending to be menacing packing a ball peen hammer. 85 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:58.920 I'm learning more and more about biker culture here, and I guess the 86 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:00.720 ball peen hammer. Thanks to all the listeners who pointed this out because it 87 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:05.680 looks so foolish when they're binking people over the head with this. But did 88 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:09.480 you see the folks you know on Twitter and elsewhere that pointed out to us 89 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:14.279 why it's a ball peen hammer. No, Well, I guess the mythos 90 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:18.439 is that biker clubs would carry bald peen hammers because if they were ever pulled 91 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:23.600 over by the cops, they couldn't be arrested for carrying a dangerous weapon because 92 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:27.560 a bally peen hammer, apparently is something that you wouldn't get charged with if 93 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.600 you were just possessing it. So they were so badass that they were writing 94 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:35.680 people and menacing them with ballpeen hammers apparently. Okay, all right, you 95 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:40.079 know what, I care as little as I did before. Do you know 96 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:44.920 anything about Doc Holiday? Um no, when he was killed? Do you 97 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:49.959 know what hand he was holding? Aces and Nates? Yep? Isn't that 98 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:54.879 cool? Listen? Listen here, this is this is the only way it 99 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:59.759 could have worked. Okay. The only way it could have worked the dead 100 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:01.399 man hand. I could say that again, by the way, Yeah, 101 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:09.360 you damn right. The only way it could have worked is if because okay, 102 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.360 let me tell you why it failed. Okay, Number one dead Brand's 103 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:15.920 hand. But gun no, yeah, I'm right there we go. Number 104 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:22.639 one, you had a bunch like again I called it, uh, can't 105 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:28.959 remember what I called it already. Um it's uh mid carters and zeros, 106 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:31.679 That's what I called it, right, because that's what it is. It's 107 00:08:31.679 --> 00:08:35.919 a bunch of people you don't fucking care about. You haven't We haven't seen 108 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.519 divon in like a relative like interesting fashion in ages. No one gives a 109 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:43.799 fucking shit about Festus. But didn't you see Garrett bish Off in West Briscoe 110 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:50.600 turn no One, no, oh God, West Briscoe is a fucking moron. 111 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.320 Why because look, oh, just his face, Yes, I mean, 112 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:58.480 let's be honest here. I mean his face is deplorable. He cuts 113 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:05.440 a decent promo sometimes, but he looks like he looks like an decent sometimes, 114 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:11.559 remember that's the key thing. Sometimes not many times, but he's just 115 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:18.200 like I couldn't you know. He he looks like like one of the demons 116 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:24.919 in uh In in Jacob's Ladder when their fucking face is all deformed, you 117 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:33.879 know, yeah, faces and hates. I just there's there is not one 118 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:41.720 person I feel like anybody outside of the idiotic fans in the Impact Zone who 119 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.320 are just so desperate for something that they'll like anything, and they live in 120 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.279 a bubble, which is funny because Bishop's whole thing is because they are who 121 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:54.440 they are, they would shit on things because no or we're prideful about being 122 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:56.799 you know, TNA hardcore is and would like to interrupt the show and stuff 123 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:03.159 and take it over like the the only this would interest them. Yeah, 124 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.240 but I don't know if you realize, Eric, by the time you got 125 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:07.759 the book, you would run off all those people that actually, yeah, 126 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:16.360 cared enough about TNA to can't call you and horr he's the exact fan that. 127 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:18.840 It's like he was going to the Impact Zone every week for years and 128 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.600 then Hogan was around for a year and it's like, no, I can't, 129 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.039 I can't, I can't pretend I want to show up to see this. 130 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:30.360 Yeah, and it's it's a hell of a it's a hell of a 131 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.960 turn of the calendar from twenty twelve to twenty thirteen for TNA, for whole 132 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:37.240 Cogan we talked a lot last time we went with you on I want to 133 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:39.600 I'm not. I gotta continue here. I want to finished my thought. 134 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:45.000 Here's It's not only that, it's also the fact that none of these fucking 135 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:50.759 no one in this stupid faction wins ever. I get their asses handed. 136 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.840 Yeah, when they have actually had matches, they kidnap people, but they 137 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:56.840 can't back it up in the ring, So how am I supposed to take 138 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:01.600 them seriously? And then they into the back and then it just it just 139 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:11.480 lingers and lingers for so fucking long. No you don't. I mean, 140 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:18.000 it's like you don't know what made one of the great things that you know, 141 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:24.039 whether they knew it or not. Whether they knew, you know, 142 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:26.679 whether they knew who the third guy was until Hogan walked out or not, 143 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:33.759 doesn't really matter, because what kept it intriguing was the fact that it felt 144 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:37.960 like they knew where they were going. And the problem is, I feel 145 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:41.720 like they know where they're going here, but it doesn't feel like it. 146 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.320 That's the irony here. It feels like it's just slog of a thing. 147 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:54.240 To the point we're about halfway through before before you know, fucking bully bitch 148 00:11:54.440 --> 00:12:01.200 fucking gets reveals himself. They kind of get lost in the shuffle. So 149 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:07.000 what the fuck am I supposed to do when your your your main storyline gets 150 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:13.440 kind of lost in the midst of ship because no one fucking cares. It's 151 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:15.759 it's just I don't know, it's the height of comedy to me that this 152 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.519 has looked back upon. It's like he should have come in as the president 153 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:24.480 like four weeks into it. I'd hate to tell folks, but I think 154 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:26.679 we can read an awful lot into that one aces and eight segment where the 155 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:31.279 supposed president of the club was, you know, silhouetted, and it was 156 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.519 actually, as we discovered, Eric Bischoff that laid down the voice over track 157 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:37.080 like Ole Anderson doing Black Scorpion. I'd hate to tell folks that as much 158 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:43.279 as you know the presently, and I'm going to sit here and touch my 159 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:50.320 ball, and I'm going to fondle myself in ways you cannot possibly imagine what 160 00:12:50.639 --> 00:13:05.919 pe he pleases me, I please myself. That's the president. I'm here 161 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:11.399 to tell you the evidence points to them planning on Eric Bischoff being the leader 162 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.519 of ass and Nates in the end. And if you hear as we're about 163 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:18.000 to from Bully who's talked about this, he was brought the idea of being 164 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.679 president of Vases and Nates out of the blue. He didn't know that Devon 165 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:24.759 was going to turn it bound for glory. He didn't know that there was 166 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:28.759 any game plan for him to be revealed as the leader of ass and Nates. 167 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:33.120 And that moment when Eric voices over the becket we'd never hear Eric to 168 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:37.759 another one again tells me that they didn't have a grand plan either for it 169 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:41.039 to be Bully right in the end, that that was a mid game pivot 170 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:45.399 as well, when they realized how probably odious and fucking lame it would have 171 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.879 been for Bischoff to emerge as once again Hogan versus Bischoff being the only thing 172 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.000 we're truly allowed to care about watching Impact every week. So at least they 173 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.799 didn't do that. However, that seemed to be the design early on, 174 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:58.519 and if you hear Bully and you'll listen to him, there's no way you 175 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:03.480 can conclude that from the beginning there was this master plan to unveil Bully Ray 176 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:07.600 as the president of Basis and Nates, even if they managed it quite slickly. 177 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:11.320 Yea. As we learned in the Immortal storyline in twenty ten when Hogan 178 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:13.360 turned it Bound for Glory and they did that whole retrospective about how well there 179 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:18.559 are all the hints along the way that's all manufactured. After the fact, 180 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:22.399 they go back and try to find moments that you know, they can claim 181 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:26.559 we're by design that absolutely love finding moments. That's what it's all about, 182 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:31.519 finding moments, no shortage of them. As we turned the calendar from twenty 183 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:33.519 twelve to twenty thirteen, of course, twenty thirteen again the final year of 184 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:39.600 Holkogan and TNA. We're ten years on from this and it's time to try 185 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:43.559 some new things. Brooke Brookno's best is done. Her music career has sort 186 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:48.440 of faded, sort of. She thinks there's another lease on life, moving 187 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.519 to Nashville and trying to get into country music with the guiding hand of Dixie 188 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:56.600 Carter, who's represented no shortage of country artists over the years. You know, 189 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:00.519 she even used to do those press junkets for movies like you know how 190 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:03.320 you bring like you know, stallone and he'll do like all the entertainment shows 191 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:07.080 for to promote his next film, and he'll sit there and get She used 192 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.919 to. She used to run point for things like that. You imagine, 193 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.200 Wow, yeah, I can, I can? Didn't she like a central 194 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:18.879 casting She totally like fits right into that fucking category. Um, but that 195 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.000 not so much the call here, or at least what's called for. But 196 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:28.960 now Brooks looking to exercise her you know abilities in the story line realm of 197 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.240 pro wrestling and for for better or worse. Um, this is going to 198 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:35.960 be basically her only angle, I guess we can say in the business. 199 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:39.000 And we'll see how it how it turns out, and how it might shape 200 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:43.759 or reshape up perceptions of what whole he can actually able was able to achieve 201 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.519 all the while, of course, we discussed last time We'll be with you 202 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:52.399 on TNH, just the absolute cavalcade of scandal and tabloid nous and all the 203 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:58.639 stuff on his sex tape and the lawsuits he's filing against Heather Clem and Gawker 204 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:03.120 and federal court and state court and being bounced from court to court, and 205 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:08.399 videos being posted and snippets being leaked, and future releases being hinted, and 206 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:15.080 FBI stings being set up in hotel rooms around you know, basically being extorted 207 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:19.080 around the release of more footage. It's just welcome to the Hulk Cogan experienced, 208 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:26.840 Dixie and Company rightday. Welcome to the fucking circus, and welcome to 209 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.320 the circus of TNH. And we've been proud to have several folks in our 210 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:33.799 corner here at the Lapsed Fan as we've undertaken this most painful of journeys. 211 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:38.279 Don't never asking most don't never ask again why we were so hesitant to dip 212 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:41.799 our till in the TNA water over our nearly ten years doing this podcast. 213 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:45.840 Because this is supposed to be you know, the high, the highest, 214 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:49.320 the highest of heights, right They're spending the most, They've got the highest 215 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:53.399 profile talent, they've got the best television they ever had in terms of clearance 216 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:56.879 and network and reach. 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But Boss fucking John Cena, 396 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:27.279 you know, if there's going to be paying on the TNH side, there's 397 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.799 going to be paying on the Marine side. Absolutely, and so we do 398 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:38.920 have we we we just completed the Marine four moving Moving target and we'll be 399 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:48.480 now approaching which had the miss and the first the first it was the first 400 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:57.160 entry that had an additional w superstar and that was the ever astounding Summer Ray 401 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:03.079 who you know, I must say, we we kind of grew fond of 402 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:08.960 in terms of her actual personality, and she showcased a way to an ability 403 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.720 to really stand up for herself in ways that we, at least I certainly 404 00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:17.640 had not anticipated. Um, but she doesn't really follow it up on the 405 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:21.680 big screen or the small screen or the tiniest ass screen. It's pretty much 406 00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.920 a nothing performance in the movie. But she's there, Yeah, she's there. 407 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:32.440 Um, we got to witness the the miss and talk about miss and 408 00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:38.480 Miss Dow and lots more great stuff on that one and upcoming next you know, 409 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:42.400 Yes, we had a we had one w additional w W Superstar. 410 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:51.440 We're gonna have quite a few. In the Marine five battle Ground. Holy 411 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:56.839 shit, more than just the miss more than just the miss It's it's it's 412 00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.400 it's gonna be wild, Oh my god, and what a what a tour 413 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.920 it has been. Also, through the corporate history of the WW films, 414 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:07.160 WW Studio's initiative as if they lose, this is kind of like a proxy 415 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:12.559 to analyze like how this business was evolving and doing under Vince, which really 416 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.359 was not my plan at all. It was never intended, but it just 417 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:27.119 kind of like happened. And it's been fascinating to to really understand how desperate 418 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:32.519 they were to make this thing, to get this thing to work. I 419 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:37.079 think so many people would have fucking quite years prior. But they torture logic, 420 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.240 They torture business logic, they torture the English language on quarterly investor conference 421 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:47.519 calls to try to frame the studio's vanity project is something that's actually going somewhere, 422 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.240 something that actually matters, that people care about, something that isn't just 423 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.680 another failed attempt to try to make what they do pro wrestling work in other 424 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:01.079 verticals, and it's been fascinating because the Miz is the ultimate monster created by 425 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:06.720 that that desire, that insatiable thirst WWE has had for so long, as 426 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:10.559 particularly since going public, to be taken seriously in the wider entertainment landscape. 427 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:16.400 And so join us under the Cinemat for the forty dollars executive producer tier as 428 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:21.319 well as the fifty dollar Moat tier members the absolute kings of the mountain over 429 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:25.640 at Moat to really, you know, take the temperature and assess the history 430 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:30.799 of this whole idea of the film's division, let alone, Yes, what 431 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.640 what THEMS is able to do and in the position he's put in, and 432 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:38.079 what that tells us about the aspirations let's say, of one Vince McMahon as 433 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:44.359 opposed to I mean, especially when you compare and contrast his where he stands 434 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.200 in the company itself when he's not making a move as far as in the 435 00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:52.319 ring. Right. Yeah, Yeah, it's really really interesting. So I 436 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.839 know, I didn't know there would be so much tied up in Mike Mazzanan's 437 00:32:55.880 --> 00:33:00.759 story. I know, as far as what ww he has tried to do 438 00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:05.359 in the recent past. So check it out. Under the cinemat Rock and 439 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.839 Wrestle Mommia only fromote tier members, Thank you very much. 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Thomas said to Nacio, Yes, Tom 475 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:25.400 William Murphy, Zach Medris and Our boy zv Esquire, Our Rider dies Yep, 476 00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:32.400 don't be mad, just be silent, because the motors make this podcast 477 00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.079 worth suffering for. Yes. And of course, it's not just the high 478 00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:43.360 rollers that get extra benefit by supporting us on Patreon and making possible a world 479 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.719 in which a podcast that brings joy to your life can actually be self sustaining 480 00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:52.000 from a financial perspective. It's also folks that are in our ten dollars vi 481 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:58.320 ip tier or our three schisteine tier, which gets you calls live monthly calls 482 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.599 of the WWE Premium lie events as only the coachairman can bring you with that 483 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.079 brutally raw lapsed perspective. We just covered Night of Champions at Saudi Arabia and 484 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:10.840 backlash in Puerto Rico, a big two fur for patrons this month from a 485 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:15.079 live call perspective, of course, big Summer with money in the bank and 486 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.519 Summer's Lam coming up. As all the ways we watch modern WW so you 487 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:22.639 don't have to, And I've noticed a steady upticking the amount of people expressing 488 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:24.440 sentiments along the line's boss of you know, I don't even watch it anymore. 489 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:30.280 I know this is actually enough the way you like. If I were 490 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:34.599 to watch it, I would be curious basically about all the things you guys 491 00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.119 notice and comment on. So I'll just listen to you. And it's a 492 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:40.280 service. We're glad to broad yes, because if we're going to make the 493 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:44.000 case that it used to be better, we've got to confront the way it 494 00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:46.679 is now and be able to defend the case. And they make it pretty 495 00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:51.119 easy. Oh, without a doubt, so you do want to check it 496 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.199 out. So the ten dollars and above tiers get the live calls as soon 497 00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:55.599 as they happen on pay per view night. The three sixteen tier gets them 498 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.920 on a three day delay over at patreon dot com. Slash the lapsed fan 499 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.159 and boss you know, like, for example, Cody passing out in the 500 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:07.800 camera, and how satisfying is it too to be able to just further echo. 501 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.639 We don't have to soft pedal anything that lapsed, Vince said in our 502 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.280 post WrestleMania live show in North Hollywood. We can only amplify it. Cody 503 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:20.159 sits there as as a symbol of what give people a preview, as a 504 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:39.400 symbol of the story never finishing. Correct, Okay, never ever finishing because 505 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:44.400 the story you guys want it, because because the story was never Cody's. 506 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:45.719 The story is not what you thought it was. The story is not what 507 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:51.039 you thought it was. The story is not Cody's. The story, the 508 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:59.400 story is not what you want. You want things, find someplace else to 509 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:04.639 get him. Correct. Cody Rhodes is never gonna win a world title, 510 00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.760 and when he does, because listen to this, this is no, he 511 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:15.079 won't. And I'm listening. If he ever wins that fucking joke of a 512 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:17.280 fucking title. Yeah, there's like six belts that could qualify it. Now. 513 00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:23.519 No, No, he will never ever ever win the world title. 514 00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:28.800 And then he'll try to go back to a w Wow and men are not 515 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:34.760 gonna give him the world title after he abandoned ship. He it's never happening. 516 00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:40.199 He should have given it to himself the moment he opened that fucking company, 517 00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:51.840 because he will never have one. He's dead. Patreon dot com slash 518 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:58.440 the lapsed fan. Let us be your chroniclers of the unfolding of WW to 519 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.920 come in twenty twenty three, and I mean thank you deeply for all the 520 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:05.000 support, to say nothing of the fact that you get ad free versions of 521 00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.320 this show, the main podcast, and you also get our part twos or 522 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:12.440 deep dives a day earlier than everybody else in exchange for your Patreon dollar. 523 00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.239 We feel it's an honest exchange. We feel the market says back to us, 524 00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:20.039 Yes, you're properly calibrated, and so we move forward here in twenty 525 00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:24.880 twenty three, and again Pro Wrestling tis dot com sas low shortage of schwag 526 00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.599 to show your support if you're going to actually attend one of these things and 527 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:32.639 let people know. I mean, we saw Zach brilliantly purchase the brother shirt 528 00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:37.039 with a question mark in honor of teen h and just wear it while he's 529 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.199 doing landscaping. I mean, come on, folks buying that shirt to go 530 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:43.599 to the aw show and Wimbley Stadium coming up. Because it says brother in 531 00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:45.679 the Hulkogan Hulkmania font. It looks just like a Hogan shirt, except it's 532 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:49.960 got the question mark at the end of Brother, and that means something very 533 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.519 specific to a very specific group of people. Those are worthwhile fans called lapsed 534 00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:59.679 fans. There's there's certainly your Brothers shirt. There's also your Pumis Power shirt. 535 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:06.360 Another one deep cut from the TNH fucking there is your Clown Infrastructure shirt. 536 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:16.880 Clown Infrastructure, you damn right. I definitely encourage you to get your 537 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:21.920 Lapsed Army shirt. Yes, Bobo Army takeoff. Yeah, you know, 538 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.639 we got so much and honestly, I'm sure by the time this by the 539 00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:31.599 time this drops, I'll have a um, I'll have a mid Carters and 540 00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:42.320 Zero's shirt up. Excellent idea. We've also got the the I love this 541 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.159 one the um, come on, let me see it so I can actually 542 00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:51.400 read it. I can't fucking read it from from there. To get this 543 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.639 thing back on track, we need to dial it in, brothers. Is 544 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:57.960 that coming to a T shirt near you? It's already there. I love 545 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:04.400 it. Pro Wrestling ds dot com slash nobody, nobody who will ever podcast 546 00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:08.400 ever will be as astute at picking up on the verbal quirks of a category 547 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:15.320 of entertainers as we are visa v Pro wrestlers. We set folks in stone, 548 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:19.360 We characterize folks in ways that once you hear me, you can never 549 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.960 unsee it or unhear it. I mean, you know, I don't want 550 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:27.519 it to my own horn, but I'm going to. I mean, do 551 00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:36.119 you think anybody whoever watched TNA ever heard this no doubt right picked it out 552 00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:40.599 as and now like we have their thousands and thousands of people who will never 553 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:46.000 be able to think about Dixie Carter again without not only hearing her entrance music, 554 00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:52.960 but hearing Scott Hall saying no doubt over it, which is something we 555 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:57.960 just you just created by pressing buttons. That's the kind of shit we do 556 00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.159 that resounds at TLF. That's the stuff stands the test of time, and 557 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:06.159 we're aufering it every single time we step to the microphone. We explore more 558 00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:08.920 to expose the core, as a great man once said, and it's been 559 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:13.440 such a treat to see the solar system take up the cause. What's another 560 00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:17.360 thing we pointed out, Hide the ball. Yes, when Hulkogan in early 561 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:23.159 twenty twelve and TNA was talking about how the network Spike was working to undo 562 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:30.199 the influence that the tyrannical Hulkogan Eric Bischoff regime had brought to TNA and taken 563 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.880 the company away from Dixie Carter, he started making references to Spike or the 564 00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:39.360 network hiding the ball. Right, And as we've talked long and hard about 565 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:45.039 so far in TNH, this is really this is really a Hulkogan who's become 566 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:49.519 completely enamored with lawyers at this stage of his life. Yes, that's the 567 00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:52.239 new competition he cares about. And he's always been sort of a backstage lawyer, 568 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:57.079 a locker room lawyer. Now it's always been about the finer points of 569 00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:01.639 his contract that explain why he why he goes, why he makes more money 570 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:07.920 than anybody else, why he basically controls entire companies when push comes to shove 571 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:12.440 or at least his will shall be done and hide the ball is so it 572 00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:15.559 turns out, and folks, we thank everyone for pointing this out, as 573 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.199 we all work together for a greater understanding here at TLF of the stuff we 574 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:23.280 cover, it turns out to be so perfect. Yes, for who Hulkogan 575 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:27.159 is at the stage of his life that hide the ball is something that enters 576 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:32.440 his vocabulary because what it essentially means, in terms of legal slang amongst lawyers 577 00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:36.880 and such, is to withhold evidence in a trial that may hurt one's case. 578 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.360 So when he says hide the ball, he means, you know, 579 00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:45.880 your manipulative sons of bitches just like me, but you're withholding the things that 580 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:47.880 will prove that case. Whereas I'm all out in the open, brother, 581 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.880 I'm a tyrant without anything to hide, whereas you guys are tyrants to hide 582 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:59.280 the evidence of such and no one I don't care who is ever covered, 583 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.440 who will ever covered. Hogan and TNA would land un hide the ball like 584 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.119 we did and be like that's it. There's something there he's using in terms 585 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.880 that are revealing something about his inner monologue. Yeah, because there's no way 586 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.920 you start saying hide the ball to a pro wrestling crowd and expect it to 587 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:19.760 have any impact, to move them in any way shape before does make any 588 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:23.280 sense. And that's what this is. That every time Hogan touches a mic 589 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:30.480 sort of post especially post sex tape release, it's just all of this id, 590 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:35.719 all of this inner psyche just spilling out onto the microphone. And it's 591 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:40.440 been so awesome to see Solar System members begin to catalog and to be creating 592 00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:46.440 whole cloth other things in that vein that whole Cogan not only did say, 593 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:51.480 but might have said. Okay, Ribbon Blade on Twitter pointed out that these 594 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:54.000 are the ones that Hogan actually said so far that we've talked about. Baiting 595 00:45:54.039 --> 00:46:01.280 the hook, walk the walk, monkey, see monk, what's the bus? 596 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:05.079 Tell me? Speak to me? What's the tone? Right? What 597 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:08.840 is he? What does that say? I mean, it's like he basically 598 00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:13.599 saying, all right, you know what, all right, brother, you 599 00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:15.079 know, we see I get it. You guys all did this. You 600 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:19.920 did that. It's time to get real bro broll. We all see what 601 00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:23.079 you're trying to do, right, right, is feeling that like every little 602 00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:35.000 maneuver I saw coming and I've seen before the ball Marco another one. He 603 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:40.400 says, paying everyone TNA dead around here? Or how about you want me 604 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:45.559 in your clubhouse? And as ribbon Blade writes, what is Hogan even talking 605 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:50.559 about half the time? Hashtag tnh God bless it? And so people started 606 00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:58.239 going going nuts. Ribbon Blade had a list. Felt the cheddar, pump 607 00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:05.519 pete, the cucumber brother, push the fridge, well, WrestleMania too. 608 00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:15.280 They did needle the monkey brother, I don't know what that means, squeeze 609 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:24.559 the papaya, burn the communist, flex the fishing rod, touch the dingle 610 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:34.320 brother, tickle the elmo, bade the heat. Oh, get the burger 611 00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:39.480 back in the room, brother brother, fire and ice shout out to a 612 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:47.000 it's white DG two on Twitter. Shoot the deer, charge the phone. 613 00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:55.360 Stop the cool brother, Yeah that's Bubba. That stuff, the wallet, 614 00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:06.760 print, the paper washed, my balls, warm the blanket, Warm the 615 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:12.039 blanket. But it's all euphemisms, right, it's all we all know what 616 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:20.400 it really means. But fly the helicopter, lose the heat double Jay girardven 617 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.000 on this one, tik tac toe. I can see him saying that, 618 00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:29.400 you know, brother or time. Stop playing Tick tack co dude. Time 619 00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:34.760 to stop playing hangman brother, Time to stop playing stick my dick in the 620 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:40.440 whole dude. Oh oh, it's time to stop playing. I get it, 621 00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:45.840 okay, See I didn't know we had started. Uh those are the 622 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:50.880 kind of things I'd appreciate it. Heads up on Terry read a few more 623 00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:59.119 from from the twitter. Gimme, gimme lose the heat. There, Oh 624 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:05.000 we got lose the heat, dude. Toast the bagel brother. Stop playing 625 00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:08.639 to play nutting Bubba's Wife. Dude, you're gonna stop playing Roll up the 626 00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:15.480 Tortilla brother. Stop playing lace the dudes boots, dude. Stop playing have 627 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:22.960 the Beer with seagull brother, Stop playing war the Lorder. Stop playing marry 628 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:27.840 the woman that looks like your daughter. Man, fry the balogney, mow 629 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:35.719 the yard. Stop playing fry the cheese man. Stop playing Grill the Grill 630 00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:52.199 the Hopper Brother, whoa grill the Hopper? I tried that podcast. They 631 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:58.840 left too much of the nge shit. It's ridiculous. Gotta stop playing rub 632 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:05.760 the stash man and paint the fence your milk and cookies. John Carpenter's Escape 633 00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:13.280 from Me Tip the pizza guy, will barrowin Vern's barn. We gotta stop 634 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:17.480 playing. Lock the target, you know, bating the line, spread the 635 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:22.639 net, catch the man. Gotta stop playing at the end of the day, 636 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:29.400 brother, stop playing. Mass the potato, dude, stop playing rotate 637 00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.920 the tires man. JD. Williamson seventy nine. Running this ship is great. 638 00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.440 Popping myself all day long, and I want people to know that nothing 639 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:43.159 makes me personally more happy than knowing that people, when they're supposed to be 640 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:50.159 working or being responsible citizens, are just giggling at it. At this this 641 00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.840 genre of speech that Hulk Hogan has that we didn't even realize till we watched 642 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:58.480 these TNA shows back Let's bring it home with four lads had a meme. 643 00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.360 All right, you know, brother, it's time to stop playing. Stuff 644 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:08.719 the mattress man. Drain the monkey, sniff the mango, eat the sandpaper 645 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:14.760 you tickle the muppet, throw the noodles door. Time to stop playing. 646 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:20.280 Pass the torch, bro Broler. Yeah, I'll say, who Actually, 647 00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:25.360 we gotta stop playing that dude, stop playing, you know, brother, 648 00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:30.559 We're gonna stop playing. Stop the playing man. All you having your heart 649 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:37.599 is shape and pain, no doubt exactly correcting me. Thank we thank the 650 00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:45.000 solar system for brightening our day and creating new genres of output thanks to h 651 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:50.679 TNH. Well, we knew it was gonna come to reckoning with Bully Ray 652 00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.880 and his career highlight run as world champion in TNA and getting involved with Hogan 653 00:51:54.920 --> 00:52:00.599 and getting involved with Brooke, getting involved with the Aces and eights. Uh. 654 00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:06.239 Conrad actually did an excellent podcast with Bully and Rik Bischoff talking about the 655 00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:09.039 heel Turn and and it's fun to hear like Bully be like, actually, 656 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:12.559 Eric, I'm not sure that that's how it went, or do you remember 657 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:17.360 this? And Eric doesn't remember it, and and Bully really mincing, mincing 658 00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:21.400 less words than you'd expect about how he didn't really like the aces a Nate's 659 00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:24.119 idea. He thought it sucked. He thought, wow, it wasn't him 660 00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:28.679 because he's not a biker and he doesn't have any you know, her fealty 661 00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:30.599 to that cause and that culture. It's all Eric and his you know, 662 00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:36.639 loves fucking motorcycles. You know, we talked about it last time when we 663 00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:40.079 discussed the genesis of the aces. Nate's idea. He's so stupid, said 664 00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:44.360 you know, never another biker thing. He was out there on TNA doing 665 00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.199 his version of the Bully Ray character, and he recalls one day standing by 666 00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:51.360 a trash can backstage at Impact, Nerik Bischoff coming up to him and suddenly 667 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.719 saying, did you ever see yourself as leader of a motorcycle group and bully 668 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:58.199 thinking, in my mind, this is the worst fucking thing I've ever heard, 669 00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:00.559 not what I saw for the Bully Ray here or her at all. 670 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.599 He had images of the undertaker biker gimmick and just you know, the other 671 00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.480 biker treatments in wrestling that never go anywhere, basically because they have to wear 672 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:13.280 leather vests that it looks like they bought at a fucking flea market. Okay, 673 00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:17.079 that's a big problem. I don't know. I think um, people 674 00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:22.920 that might kind of lionize biker culture don't realize just how like chinsey and cheap 675 00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.440 biker clothing looks, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't do 676 00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:30.159 you share? This? Is it just me when those vests in those genes 677 00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:35.480 that it just looked they look so like like knockoff, They look so like 678 00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.800 Oregon Basement, like Dollar Tree to me, and not not to cast any 679 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:45.559 expersions on people who chop at dollar tree. But it's it doesn't say badass 680 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:50.239 to me. It says like very poor and very like, um not with 681 00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:55.159 it. I mean here, to be honest, I've never cared to really 682 00:53:55.239 --> 00:54:00.159 look. Yeah, well there's that take it doesn't It just never fu can 683 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:04.199 matter to me. Yeah, biker culture has never been something that's interested me 684 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.000 on any level. More importantly, there's no evidence that the wrestling fan cares 685 00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:13.119 it. There's only evidence to the contrary. I've never sat there and said, 686 00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.639 hey, oh you know what, I'm like. I've never wanted a 687 00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:17.800 motorcycle. I've never thought about it. I've never thought about, like, 688 00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:23.320 you know, getting those fucking you know, a leather jacket with a fucking 689 00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:25.960 thing on it. And I've never thought it's cool if someone has one. 690 00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:28.960 I just think, you know, it's yeah, I mean, their thing. 691 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:30.320 It's fine, it's your thing, it's fine. But it's not something 692 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:35.320 that I'm remotely interested in, nor do I want to investigate it, nor 693 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.760 do I care to partake in it, nor do I care in general. 694 00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:49.159 But I am forced to watch this ship with guys who also don't seem like 695 00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:54.880 bikers either. I think that's pretty important. Yeah, you know, at 696 00:54:54.960 --> 00:55:00.679 least at least a fucking uh you know U. But the Disciples of Apocalypse 697 00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:05.880 they kind of looked like bikers. I could kind of believe him as bikers. 698 00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:10.840 They were, especially Skull and eight BALLO Brian Lee is, you know 699 00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:15.360 Undertaker's buddy. I'm sure they were motorcyclists. Yeah, for sure. There 700 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:20.039 you go like that, like you've got people who are actually interested. And 701 00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:24.679 I'm not saying the Disciples of Apocalypse was any fucking great oh organization, but 702 00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:30.199 I could at least see them as being bikers because well, guess what they're 703 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:32.320 into it. I mean, understand the culture. I didn't buy the Devon 704 00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:42.079 or fucking h Festus or or or Garrett especially or Anderson bikers. Oh who 705 00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:45.519 carries himself like a game show host. Is suddenly this fucking outlaw biker, 706 00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.480 Like what do we doing here? Guys? Just a bunch of fucking frauds. 707 00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.679 What it is is it's the kind of biker Bischoff is, you know, 708 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:57.320 like a weekend warrior type who who has a corporate jobs, you know, 709 00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.840 five days hobbyist, yea, a hobbyist. He's not a real like 710 00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:04.360 he's not a real biker who who like you know, that's their thing. 711 00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:09.079 He's just a hobbyist, and no power to you. But I'm I'm within 712 00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:13.480 my rights as a wrestling fan to say, there's no evidence that this is 713 00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:16.159 going to intrigue anybody, right, and it's certainly And I'm also within my 714 00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:20.480 rights to say that I thought it just brought everybody down that was involved in 715 00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:23.679 it. That if you if you broke each person offs and eights and gave 716 00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:29.639 them an actual treatment as an individual character, Yeah, every single one of 717 00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:31.000 them would have been better served and the show would have been better served. 718 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:36.119 But Bischoff has this like group, you know, it's the only he has 719 00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:37.400 one one idea. I mean, that's what we've really landed on here at 720 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:42.880 TNAG. He's going one idea, an invading force. That's it. That's 721 00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:45.800 the extent of it. And even if there's other things that come up, 722 00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:50.719 it all comes back to the invading force eventually. I've never the I never 723 00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:58.559 thought that I would have been so disgruntled with Eric Bischoff, and I have 724 00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:00.639 been disgruntled with them, for sure, but not to this level, not 725 00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.480 to the point where I'm like, this guy is such a fucking idiot. 726 00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:08.519 Well, he's such a joke. He's like anybody else in wrestling. They 727 00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:13.039 have like two or three ideas that they just recycle over and over again, 728 00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:17.079 and they add little a koutraman too, a little different garnish, and like, 729 00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:21.519 you know, it's only fair to point that out. And in assessing 730 00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.599 their body of work. And for Eric, you know, he's always hands 731 00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:28.400 off anyway. I mean, you know, he wasn't even the booker at 732 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.199 WCW. For Christ's sakes, it was Kevin Sullivan. The whole nWo time 733 00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:34.280 book and the heat was all Kevin Sullivan. The finishes weren't Eric. Proudly 734 00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.039 he didn't. He brought in Johnny Aston, who finishes in two thousand, 735 00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:38.679 because he just didn't want to deal with finishes or didn't know how to be 736 00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:40.920 feel he was good at doing them. He said that as much on his 737 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.559 podcast, he produces television. He decides what the lights look like and who 738 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:49.400 the announcers are, and what the ins and ounces are going to sound like. 739 00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:51.559 And he's obsessed with that shit. He's he's like, you know, 740 00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:54.519 like a TV class at your community college, Like that's what he's into, 741 00:57:55.199 --> 00:58:00.760 Like dressing up sets in like sitting there and noticing things that you know, 742 00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:04.880 other people can notice because they can they have a job where they don't have 743 00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:07.320 to watch the show when it airs. They can watch it Monday morning at 744 00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:12.000 nine o'clock in their office. Right. That's him and everything else that he 745 00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:15.599 kind of says he understands about booking wrestling, It's like, well, no, 746 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:22.599 I mean not really, because the real the raw material of what made 747 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:28.320 the nWo work was hardly him. He added some brushes, some some touches. 748 00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:30.440 He added, I think he had a lot to do with sort of 749 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:36.840 the black and white esthetic and a lot of those really like moody and attitudinal 750 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:38.960 kind of videos that that Hogan hart Nash did. For sure, like he 751 00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:44.880 understood, he understood how to get across visually what the nWo was supposed to 752 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:45.960 be. And that is a huge part of it, for sure, a 753 00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:49.480 huge part of it. But when it comes to what the nWo did every 754 00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:53.280 week to get heat, that's all Kevin Solomon, as far as I can 755 00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:58.679 deduce with Bischoff just you know, given kind of a general up and down 756 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:00.840 and doing what let's be on it, taking Hulk Cogan's temperature on a weekly 757 00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:06.360 basis and figure out Hulk's happy and if things are pointed in a direction that's 758 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:07.480 going to keep Hulk paid. Get him on a pay per view that's going 759 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:10.679 to give him big ups on that twenty five percent or whatever he gets, 760 00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.599 and make sure that come contract manual time. You can't you can't really do 761 00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:20.880 business without pleasing him and extending him. I mean it's not it's complicated, 762 00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:22.239 and that he's got a lot of big money egos to deal with in a 763 00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:27.199 big television operation and you know, Turner Entertainment to deal with. But it's 764 00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.920 that's where all his energy goes. It's not in right, It's not in 765 00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:35.239 building a storyline that intrigues wrestling fans. It's in doing all the other stuff 766 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:39.079 while the storyline creators actually create intrigue that gets it across the line. From 767 00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:44.679 from a television production standpoint anyway, All that is to say that when Bishof 768 00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:46.840 comes to Bully Ray first with the idea of being the president of ass and 769 00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:51.039 Eights, he fucking hates the idea. And it's great on the podcast because 770 00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:52.079 Bishop pipes him. It's like, you know what, this is fascinating line. 771 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:54.800 That's why I love having these guests, He's like, whoever he says 772 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:59.320 that, you know, he's uncomfortable territory exactly. You know, you know 773 00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:00.840 he's getting you know, not only that, but you know, he's getting 774 01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:06.920 caught in bullshit. He's afraid that he's he's afraid that there might be the 775 01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:08.880 things that he's just said, just to have something to say on a subject 776 01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:13.039 without actually, you know, reckoning with whether it's true or not, or 777 01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:21.679 even even being willing to acknowledge that he might not remember because he was altered. 778 01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.400 Maybe, you know, I think, but I'm choosing to believe that 779 01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:28.360 when he talks about how I just wasn't television ready and I didn't look good 780 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:31.760 for television back then, like he's kind of talking about drinking too much. 781 01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:37.239 Yeah, I mean, I think Jeremy Borash's line on the Bishoff Goodbye Show 782 01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:39.000 where he talks about drunk tweeting is I think that cut a little deeply. 783 01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:44.639 And I noted in very strongly Bishoff's utter silence when they did a podcast reviewing 784 01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:47.559 that episode of Impact. When Borash goes there, I think, I think 785 01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:52.320 it's kind of like they're the things he doesn't remember might come uncomfortably close to 786 01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:59.719 I don't remember for a reason that's not necessarily flattering and doesn't necessarily speak well 787 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:02.639 to, you know, the professionalism I was exhibiting for four hundred and fifty 788 01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:07.400 grand a year as executive producer of Impact. That could be totally unfair. 789 01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:09.679 But I'm just sort of I'm trying to read into the silence as much as 790 01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:13.960 I am what he says and when. And again, it's not that he's 791 01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:15.239 gonna get caught so much on a line. It's gonna get caught in the 792 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:17.960 fact that he just said something out of his ass that he didn't even know 793 01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:22.039 if it's true or not. But he just kind of trusted that no one 794 01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.400 would ever care a right, that no one would ever care enough to present 795 01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:28.920 to present an alternate set of circumstances. Was like, okay, true. 796 01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:31.239 We heard it with Jeff Hardy at Victory Road twenty eleven and Bischof saying how 797 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:34.679 hard he was nowhere to be seen all day and was hiding, and how 798 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.079 he considered going in there and knocking him out, and then and then we 799 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:42.199 circled back and Bruce Pritchard's talking about how they saw Jeff but throughout the whole 800 01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:45.119 day and realized that he was, you know, tilting in the wrong direction, 801 01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:47.440 or that he seemed fine throughout the day, and there's nothing about him 802 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:52.920 hiding until the very last minute. If they invent the circumstances to put yourself 803 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:59.159 into position right of having nothing else to say about what happened besides what presented 804 01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:04.519 itself on camera, and even Bully, we're gonna hear later Bully himself considers 805 01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:07.440 that night Victory wrote a huge part of why he ended up getting an opportunity. 806 01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:10.320 We've talked before in TNH about how Jeff Hardy having to exit the picture 807 01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:14.960 due to his issues is what really created the opening for Bully to step up 808 01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:16.119 as a heel, because when Jeff had his issues, he was a heel, 809 01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:20.199 you know, that was off the down for Glory twenty ten heel turn 810 01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:22.960 and him becoming world champion and running a mortal or at least being the hood 811 01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:25.760 ornament, as Hogan called it, of a mortal, and so all of 812 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:30.679 a sudden, Bully steps into that void and he's back there, Victory wrote, 813 01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:34.000 putting his hand up offering to go out there and do something to save 814 01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:37.320 the sting Jeff Hardy debacle. And he tells Bischoff about that, and Bischoff's 815 01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:42.119 like going along with it. But Bischoff never mentioned Bully Ray when he told 816 01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:45.079 his version of what happened at Victory Rode. That's those kind of things, 817 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:47.519 you know. It's like, oh, actually, once you talk to two 818 01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.440 or three other people who were there, you realize that Bischoff just kind of 819 01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:55.639 kind of just has his story and he goes with it and doesn't really know 820 01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:00.440 if it's exactly what happens. He's got these memories, you know, they 821 01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:01.880 come from a real place. I don't feel like he's inventing things out of 822 01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:07.360 whole cloth, but he's not above forgetting things on purpose. Okay, I 823 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:13.559 think we can put him that way. Yeah, but he starts talking about 824 01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:16.239 how Bully's tough like to get to agree to a creative idea, but once 825 01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:20.360 you get a little bit of daylight to work with, you can start convincing 826 01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:22.400 him. And he's trying to make it sound like he was doing like some 827 01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:25.559 kind of like delicate you know, negotiation, and Bully's like, no, 828 01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:29.559 actually, I'm just going to do whatever you say. Because if if the 829 01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:30.679 booker comes up to you and says we've got an idea, it doesn't matter 830 01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:34.199 if you think it sucks, You're obliged to go with it, if you 831 01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.320 want to give yourself a fighting chance. He says. You know, if 832 01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:38.440 a promoter comes to you with an idea, that means they have the idea 833 01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:40.719 in mind, a vision. They think you're the one to best portray this 834 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:44.960 role, and to say no would have not been a good idea. Bishops 835 01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.280 here are trying to spin this yard about how he slowly convinced Bully and read 836 01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:52.039 his personality, and Bully's like, no, he doesn't confront him in that 837 01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:53.360 way when you listen to the pod. But that's like the lump sum of 838 01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:55.760 what's said. It's like, that's no, you didn't. You didn't play 839 01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:59.119 any subtle game with me. I just said yes because you were the boss. 840 01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:02.000 A Bishop talks about aces and eights being the name because it was the 841 01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:04.760 dead man's hand the duck Holiday was holding when he got shot in the back 842 01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:10.039 of the head about four hundred eighty miles east of my house. Okay, 843 01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:13.599 Duk Holiday got shot four hundred eighty miles east of Eric Bischof's house. I 844 01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:15.719 want to hope you know that, Boss. I don't know what's the problem 845 01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:20.320 with them. It's just telling the truth. It's a Western mythology he's always 846 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.639 been interested in. I don't see the problem, of course, of course, 847 01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:27.280 about this. It's it's it's, it's it's you know, that's just 848 01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:31.559 like that kind of he wants to TNA really is a Western, right, 849 01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:36.280 that's what it is. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah, it's totally normal 850 01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:40.039 things. He is from Dallas, after all. There we go see that 851 01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.079 a Bully says, I never knew I was going to be president. It 852 01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:45.440 was a very well kept secret. And I'm thinking, well, and probably 853 01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:49.360 was a well kept secret because it was not the plan anyway, right, 854 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:53.639 he didn't even know he was in the running for it. Um. He 855 01:04:53.719 --> 01:04:58.400 remembers asking a year before the unveiling um and he's watching the storyline play out, 856 01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:00.320 and he's an agent. That's nothing to mention here, you know, 857 01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:04.320 Bully is essentially remember the creative team. We've noted in some backstage footage that's 858 01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:09.039 come out in documentaries of TNA how it ran back then, that Bully's at 859 01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:12.559 the table, you know, next to Bischoff and Vince Russo and Hulkogan and 860 01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:15.239 Dixie Carter and today and Terry Taylor and all the rest kind of putting the 861 01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:19.320 television together, and I think that's kind of I might as well say this 862 01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:21.840 here. It's a point I wanted to make that occurred to me going back 863 01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:28.960 revisiting all this stuff or TNH Dilo Bully, and so by extension divon, 864 01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:34.039 these are people who are on payroll already, and TNA is in a cost 865 01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:39.280 cutting mode. Why the hell would you make Delo a character when he's clearly 866 01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:43.480 not in any shape to wrestle, or because he's it's cheap, you know, 867 01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:46.280 the guy's getting paid to do something else. Why would you just have 868 01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:53.920 Why would you have that fucking piece of shit even on roster? Any fashion 869 01:05:54.199 --> 01:05:59.079 about Dilo? Yes, well, a Delo doesn't understand how to put together 870 01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:03.719 a good match, and he is respected by who, by the wrestlers in 871 01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:09.519 TNA. Why because he knows how to put together a good match? I 872 01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:13.440 just said it. He's an agent, it's fine. He wears a polo. 873 01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:16.440 That's not fine, but there he is. It's not fine at all. 874 01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:21.199 Then to plug him into the top storyline of the company the only thing 875 01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:24.559 I can think of it, you know, And they played the idea that 876 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:28.599 he infiltrated the management side, that Dilo was the one who was k faving 877 01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:31.800 TNA management to allow Aces and eights to run rough shod, pretending to be 878 01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:35.800 caught by surprise by their antics when really he was facilitating them, and that 879 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:41.760 you know, they planted the seeds, but it barely landed because just as 880 01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:44.960 they announced Dil as that guy and unmask him, they go right to Bully 881 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:47.239 being unveiled as president. So there's no time for the whole Delo thing to 882 01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:50.920 sink in as any kind of master plan at all. It's they rush it. 883 01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:54.320 I think what they basically did was we needed this thing to come to 884 01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:57.880 a head for lockdown because by that point, as we're going to talk about, 885 01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:01.119 which is hilarious because could have come to a head away earlier, it 886 01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:06.119 would have been better. Yeah, yeah, it's true. But at that 887 01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:11.079 point in twenty thirteen, they had decided to dial way back on pay per 888 01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:15.079 views. We had dialing mbroller from twelve a month to four, from twelve 889 01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:17.559 a year to four a year. So now it's like, we need something 890 01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:20.559 big for all these pay per views because we're going on the road, We're 891 01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:26.639 trying to sell tickets outside of Orlando, and you know, if there's going 892 01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:28.840 to be a pay per view. We need to make something impactful happen. 893 01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:30.840 And I feel like all of a sudden, they were just like rushing all 894 01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:34.320 these asis and Eates reveals after making them take so long, like the Fall 895 01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:39.840 of twenty twelve through January and February. It's like so long for even like 896 01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.840 Bischoff, Garrett Bischoff to be revealed as a member. It just takes so 897 01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:45.519 long, and they like Mike not being revealed matters, you know, It's 898 01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:48.440 like, I know, that's the thing. Nobody. There was never a 899 01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:51.280 reveal where I was like, oh shit, like they mean business. No, 900 01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:55.800 No, they didn't have theyn't have the horsepower of the finances to bring 901 01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:59.280 in anybody that would say that. And that's my pet theory is that guys 902 01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:02.599 like Delore slotted in because they're already on paidroll. I'm sure they didn't get 903 01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:06.039 paid. If they got paid any more to do aces and eight storyline work. 904 01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:09.360 I'm sure it wasn't as much as they would have to pay someone else 905 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:13.679 they would bring into the company. And I'm starting to bully they're getting double 906 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:16.039 their benefit off of him because he's helping put the show together. Backstage and 907 01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:19.319 fill an important role and at the same time he's out there as the top 908 01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:23.960 heel. It's a it's just a thought I have. It seems to be 909 01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:26.840 a through line through some of the more curious talent decisions they make around this 910 01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:29.800 point in time that, oh, this person also does something else for them. 911 01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:34.000 But again, Bully kind of taken by surprise by this idea that he's 912 01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:38.479 going to be the president. As an agent, He's watching the entire storyline 913 01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:41.359 play out week after week and month after month, and nobody in the room 914 01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:45.359 and the rooms he's in actually knows who the leader was because Jason Hervey and 915 01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:49.720 Ark Bishoff. Remember it's Bishoff Hervey Entertainment who are hired and contracted as we've 916 01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:54.119 read out on the air before. Oh, I know, the executive producers 917 01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:57.720 of T ANDAMPAC Wrestling. It's not just Bischoff himself. So Hervey is very 918 01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:00.399 much involved, not just in producing those backstage interviews that he's sort of the 919 01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:03.520 voice of, but you know, coaching talent because you know, wondering years 920 01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:06.960 in Aboma, so he can get the best out of the talent and produce 921 01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:12.279 them and all that shit. You know. Bullie even suggest that there may 922 01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:15.439 have been up to three other people that they had in mind to run ass 923 01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:18.039 and Nates, And unfortunately, I don't think Conrad had covered the point where 924 01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:24.880 there's that moment where Bishoff voices over the backstage silhouetted Asis and ATE's top figure 925 01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:28.880 to ask Eric straight on if there was ever a consideration to make him the 926 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.720 big reveal. But look, Vince McMahon, Higher Power nineteen, it has 927 01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:35.840 to be you know, the original idea has to be Eric Bischoff. That's 928 01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:39.079 the only thing they know how to come back around to. If Hogan's entire 929 01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:42.439 run that we've chronicled and painstaking details any indication up to this point, Ye 930 01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:45.640 agreed. So I'm not willing to just grant that it's some stroke of genius 931 01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:48.600 to have Bully Ray behind it all along when that wasn't even their plan all 932 01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:54.159 along. Okay, So here's how Bully finds out that, in fact, 933 01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:59.920 he is going to be the leader of the Aces and dates from eighty three 934 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:02.600 weeks. Like I never thought it was going to be I never knew it 935 01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:05.199 was going to be me. I didn't even know I was in the running 936 01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:09.760 for it. But because he had asked me, like a year before the 937 01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:14.000 unveiling, and at the time, I was an agent with TNA, so 938 01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:18.720 I'm actually in on all of the meetings the creative So I'm I'm watching this 939 01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:26.560 entire storyline play out week after week, month after month, and nobody in 940 01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:30.960 the room knows who the leader of the Aces and Eights yet was yet because 941 01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:34.600 Eric and Jason Hervey, I think we're just keeping it, you know, 942 01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:39.319 to themselves, and maybe they had maybe they had another person in mind or 943 01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:42.119 it or three people, and I don't know. I just knew I was 944 01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:45.479 sitting there and I was in the as in the dark as everybody else. 945 01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:53.520 And then one day Hulk, who was also in the meetings, didn't understand 946 01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:57.760 something that was going on creatively at the time, and he just sits back 947 01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:00.720 and he goes, well, who was the leader of this damn group? 948 01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:05.239 Anyway, Me and Eric used to sit next to each other in the meeting, 949 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:12.159 and all I remember was Eric going like this and he points right at 950 01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:15.119 me, and I was like, oh, damn, this is really gonna 951 01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:19.600 happen. So you think the chances of zero that it was in that moment 952 01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:24.000 when he was put in the spot by Hogan that Bischof actually decided that Bully 953 01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:27.720 Ray was going to be I think that's exactly what happened. I think there's 954 01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:32.399 no other way to fucking put it. Wow, what a fucking Jesus made 955 01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:35.600 it up on the spot because Hull called his bluff. I mean, bluff 956 01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:38.479 is a wrong way to put it. But he'll put a question on the 957 01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:40.840 table that I don't know if he was entirely ready to answer. I'm willing 958 01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:45.399 to accept a version of events where Bischof still doesn't know and he's just deciding 959 01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:48.399 on the floor totally, totally, And there's a reason I think that Bully 960 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:53.079 was taken so by surprise because they didn't know enough to tease it was him 961 01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:57.199 that they were going to go. Clearly they were going to go with him 962 01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.840 turning on Brook from the beginning, as soon as they embrace on television is 963 01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:03.920 his boyfriend and girlfriend. But Bully makes a face at the camera like I'm 964 01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:09.079 a conniving son of a bitch here and this is all going to be a 965 01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:12.960 big manipulation. But the idea that he's also the head of Aces and Eights 966 01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:17.239 that I think is way later in the game that's decided, you know, 967 01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:20.079 for Bully, him and Divon having been, you know, a long time 968 01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:23.439 tag team, there were there were no more teams for them to work with. 969 01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:27.920 In Bully's mind, he wanted to branch out as a singles wrestler. 970 01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:30.359 We talked last week. This is kind of underappreciated in the chronology. I 971 01:12:30.439 --> 01:12:34.439 think about how you know, Devon became unveiled as an Ace's and Nates member 972 01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:39.119 at Bound for Glory came after he was at a contractual impass with Impact, 973 01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:43.880 and they had announced on television that he'd been stripped to the television title and 974 01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:46.439 you know, sort of announced that he was gone, and there was the 975 01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:50.000 Devon's better chance that would ring at the Impact zone when Bully would come out. 976 01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:55.159 Jesus. So, I mean to me, that's not a stroke of 977 01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:59.560 genius either. And I know you were clearly underwhelmed by the unveil of Devon. 978 01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:03.159 Oh it was awful, But I'm willing to think that that's just basically 979 01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:09.079 something they offered him to bring him back to the table in just like a 980 01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:15.319 last minute contractual um uh, concession right to get him into a key storyline. 981 01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:18.199 Maybe the whole thing about his contract coming up is a work, but 982 01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:23.359 I don't. I don't think so. The way the way it played out, 983 01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:27.800 uh, the way the messages he was posting and stuff. I'm fifty 984 01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:30.039 fifty as to whether I wish someone would ask Dvon head on. Maybe they 985 01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:33.239 have and he just says and he has heard enough. So you're saying that 986 01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:40.640 it was I'm saying Devon was gone from the company when they were Yeah, 987 01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:43.359 his contract was up, he hadn't renewed, they couldn't come to terms. 988 01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:45.520 They announced he was gone on television and they took the belt off him, 989 01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:49.439 only to give it back to him when he came back as this new reveal. 990 01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:53.800 I think they knew there was going to be a reveal at Boundford Glory. 991 01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:55.800 It could have been Bischoff, it could have been d Low, it 992 01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:59.319 could have been Dvon. I think it ended up being Devon for no other 993 01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:03.119 reason than they resigned him and wanted to bring him back with an impact It 994 01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:06.359 maybe even promised an impactful role for him to get him to resign because he 995 01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:11.199 was playing contractual games. And there's a version of events where you could say 996 01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:14.039 that's all a work. They were working people into thinking Divon was gone because 997 01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:16.119 they wanted to make it that much more impressive when he was unveiled, And 998 01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:19.039 I'm sure I wouldn't put it past Bishof and others to claim that that was 999 01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:23.199 the case, to claim it was all by design, But I just I'm 1000 01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:26.560 here to tell you I don't necessarily believe it just going but week by week 1001 01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:30.800 with a close attention to how things were playing out with him in TNA. 1002 01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:35.560 So just a fucking shit show, I think, yeah, I think it's 1003 01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:39.680 really it really is going to grind my gears to hear people talk about this 1004 01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:43.000 master plan for races and eights and then when you break down every little piece 1005 01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:46.920 of it, there's like some some totally like random, circumstantial reason things happen, 1006 01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:50.000 and there's no grand design, you know, really at all, and 1007 01:14:50.159 --> 01:14:56.159 that Bully apparently wasn't even thought of in the genesis of this thing as the 1008 01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:58.760 leader of the group. So to look back and claim that it was this 1009 01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:02.399 master plan to get to is I think very um is to ignore a lot 1010 01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:06.439 of detail and to ignore a lot of signals to the contrary. That's all 1011 01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:12.000 so again that the incident would sting and hardy happens at Victory Road and Bully 1012 01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:14.840 talks about offering to just run out there and have Sting put him through a 1013 01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:16.760 table so no one notices the condition Jeff was in. They get Jeff out 1014 01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:19.880 of the ring, and while Eric turns him down, or at least you 1015 01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:21.920 know, says thanks but no thanks on that, and does what he does, 1016 01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:25.600 go into the ring and having Sting pen him in seconds. The next 1017 01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:27.960 day, according to Bully ray Eric Bischof. The next day, the next 1018 01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:30.880 taping, Bishof pulls Bully aside and says, hey, man, thanks for 1019 01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:34.079 offering to help save the show. And he thinks that's really when Eric Bischof's 1020 01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:39.680 wheel started to turn around, pushing Bully more strongly as a single star. 1021 01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:43.840 Bishofs is that Jason had a lot of input Hervey, and he's a good 1022 01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:45.680 director. When he was talking to Bully about how to say things differently from 1023 01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:49.000 different perspectives, Oh my god, being a good director. I mean, 1024 01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:53.600 look, he grew learning, he grew up learning to take great direction as 1025 01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:57.439 a talent, of course, and it evolved. Bischofs is, it always 1026 01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:01.079 evolves through this guy. He says, it's what a fucking even says. 1027 01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:03.920 He even says, it's not like we woke up one day with a twenty 1028 01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:08.039 five page story arc and said, Okay, let's work through this. Maybe 1029 01:16:08.039 --> 01:16:11.439 you should have, although he's willing to let people say that that's what happened 1030 01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:15.720 here without interjecting, you know, do some low risk to us. You 1031 01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:17.079 see how the audience reacts to it early when we started, Yeah, they 1032 01:16:17.079 --> 01:16:19.560 didn't react very well, and you still went with it, and the ratings 1033 01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:23.680 were awful in the end of twenty twelve when Aces and Nates was the main 1034 01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:28.479 thrust of But I'm sure that's all because of eight PM and playoffs and blah 1035 01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:30.680 blah blah blah blah and direct TV and jerk me off and blah blah blah. 1036 01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:34.279 Work in progress until it got finally tuned, and that's when we tagged 1037 01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:39.479 in Bully. When I got finally tuned, Bully straight up says I never 1038 01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:43.239 saw that divon connection to this whole Asis Nates thing. He didn't get it. 1039 01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:45.359 He has to chalk it up to it is just simply done for a 1040 01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:48.880 swerve so that when Hulkan masks, it's somebody that you know is supposed to 1041 01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:53.079 surprise Hulkogan And yeah, at the very least, we can pick somebody that 1042 01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:56.680 people didn't see coming, even if it doesn't really make any sense. And 1043 01:16:56.720 --> 01:16:58.880 I'm thinking no one cared. No one cared that it was demon. I 1044 01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:02.760 mean maybe there was up kind of a shock. And the shock came honestly 1045 01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:09.119 because people thought Devon was was gone from TNA, right, not because he 1046 01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:12.520 was a baby face just last week and now he's turning heel and what I 1047 01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:24.920 mean the thing is, I mean, I mean, okay, so the 1048 01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:30.720 Dudley Boys, I mean, granted, Bully Ray made a made a name 1049 01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:38.640 for himself and doing this this fucking thing, yes, but it was done 1050 01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:46.720 in WWE. The Dudley Boys were not interesting as singles wrestlers. Bully was 1051 01:17:46.760 --> 01:17:51.640 a straight up like singles heel on raw when they split the brands and yep, 1052 01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:56.720 it wasn't wasn't much. And when he went back to din't want to 1053 01:17:56.720 --> 01:18:00.479 do this character and he knew about it. It just was they were all 1054 01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:08.199 just it was not well done. And so I I just don't care about 1055 01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:13.039 Devon Dudley. Yeah, I don't care at all. I never cared about 1056 01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:15.279 him. Yeah, he's like Marty Janetti, like give me a break, 1057 01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:18.880 right, right, and everybody knows it, and it's not not not to 1058 01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:21.439 denigrate him as a performer. But I mean, there were just some talents 1059 01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:25.640 in this business, like animal. I think Animals ever gonna be a main 1060 01:18:25.720 --> 01:18:30.600 event singles wrestler. Give me a fucking break like he was right, don't 1061 01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:34.680 forget, Yeah he did main event greed sin. I know, I'm aware. 1062 01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:40.039 I'm aware that someone would snaps his leg or whatever. Yeah, right 1063 01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:44.159 right, Um, because John Larnids is over there. Anyway, we'll talk 1064 01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:46.800 about some other times. Suppose perhaps I should say, um, but you 1065 01:18:46.880 --> 01:18:48.399 know, Eric, you tell me, I think, boss, what this 1066 01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:58.439 is is you don't understand SARSA? Who SARSA? Is there more than that? 1067 01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:02.720 Or should I guess? Eric Bischoff and you know creating a I know 1068 01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:08.960 how to produce television power point kind of podcasting. He does has come up 1069 01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:12.920 with an acronym called SARSA, and it stands for these are basically the tenets 1070 01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:18.159 of building a good wrestling show. Okay, SARSA stands for story, what, 1071 01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:26.560 anticipation, reality, action, story, story action. Yeah, I 1072 01:19:26.600 --> 01:19:29.000 think it's his story Twice, I don't. I don't know why he better 1073 01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:34.039 say story twice? And I want I want you to listen to this now 1074 01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:39.560 that you know what SARSA is. I want you to hear bishof make an 1075 01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:44.239 inspired case for after bully on the on eighty three weeks says he doesn't understand 1076 01:19:44.239 --> 01:19:46.439 why Devon was involved in any of this, make an inspired case for why. 1077 01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:50.640 I thought it was. It was an interesting idea. Devon was revealed, 1078 01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:57.840 Um, much quickly, much sooner than I was. To be honest, 1079 01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:02.800 I never got the Demon connection. I really didn't. Um. It 1080 01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:08.159 was something that they came up with creatively. I think it was done more 1081 01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:13.399 for a swerve, like when when Hulk unmasked Devon. It was supposed to 1082 01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:16.399 get this reaction of like, oh my god, we never saw that coming. 1083 01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:19.680 But I think that we got the reaction of, oh my god, 1084 01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:25.239 we didn't see that coming. Um, I don't think it was Eric, 1085 01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:29.279 Eric, you tell me why why Devon was there a Was there a real 1086 01:20:29.439 --> 01:20:33.000 reason? Was there a storyline point? Or was it just to have Bubba 1087 01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:38.399 and Demon together within this uh, within this group. No. In the 1088 01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:45.000 in the SARSA formula story of action, Devon was a surprise. Devon was 1089 01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:49.760 that that who that coming? WHOA Where's this going? He was that moment 1090 01:20:49.920 --> 01:21:03.199 in terms of the way he was written in that story, terms of the 1091 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:10.720 way he was written into that story and I can't stand it. I can't 1092 01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:15.319 stand it. Sarsa, get your blackboard out. Time to learn, time 1093 01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:18.119 to go to time to go to school, young grass grasshopper, Sarsa, 1094 01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:23.760 take the take the a off the end of it, and you get the 1095 01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:28.600 fucking virus that, yeah, a lot of this stuff actually is. And 1096 01:21:28.680 --> 01:21:30.000 thanks for that there, Boss, that it was surprise I missed. I 1097 01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:34.199 didn't write it down correctly. Surprise, which basically means surprise, is the 1098 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:38.600 one you set aside from when you do something for no fucking reason other than 1099 01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:43.760 surprises because you don't know it. Surprise actually is more about you being surprised 1100 01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:48.199 that this is going to be happening. The surprise is you're fucking up against 1101 01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:51.840 it and you gotta come up with something. Um a reveal that you set 1102 01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:55.079 in motion without having any idea who was going to be in the end. 1103 01:21:55.520 --> 01:22:00.640 What a goon he was that moment. What a fucking goon. And look, 1104 01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:02.439 they've they already broke up the Dudley's and TNA before this. It's not 1105 01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:05.920 like this is Devon turning on Bubba for the first time. They were at 1106 01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:12.960 each other's throats before this, and so it's I don't know so uh. 1107 01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:16.159 Later in the conversation, which again I I encourage you to check out, 1108 01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:19.520 it's it's a really good I wish Conrad would do more of these, uh 1109 01:22:20.159 --> 01:22:23.840 if they're you know, low hanging fruit for the taking. In that regard, 1110 01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:28.680 Um, Bully goes even harder into how much he kind of thought the 1111 01:22:28.720 --> 01:22:31.079 whole idea of aces and Ate sucked while Bishop sits there and tries not to 1112 01:22:31.119 --> 01:22:33.800 make any faces. And you know, one of the things Conrad that I 1113 01:22:33.880 --> 01:22:40.039 always kept in the back of my mind is it can always be resentment in 1114 01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:44.039 pro wrestling, like oh, why did they pick this guy or why this 1115 01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:46.960 guy or Bubba Politic to be the leader of the Aces and eights. The 1116 01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:51.479 last thing Bubba Politic for was the leagal leader of as the idea sucked, 1117 01:22:53.920 --> 01:22:59.000 to be quite honest, Um, so I was really I really tried to 1118 01:22:59.079 --> 01:23:01.880 keep in mind that we were a group of guys, just like a motorcycle 1119 01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:08.359 club would be. They the boys elect the president because they love and respected 1120 01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:11.079 him. And that's how I wanted those guys to feel about me, because 1121 01:23:11.119 --> 01:23:13.439 that's how I felt about them. I didn't want them to look at me 1122 01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:17.720 like, oh, he's getting this push and we're just along for his ride. 1123 01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:23.439 It's no, guys, we're getting the push and we all have equal, 1124 01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:27.880 you know, equal parts to play in this story, so let's all 1125 01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:30.960 do it together. I was really conscious about that because I didn't want anybody 1126 01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:35.039 to feel like, um, like I was better than them, because I 1127 01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:42.920 knew the spotlight was being thrust onto me, because I thought the idea sucked. 1128 01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:47.520 Just I'm so glad that's that's so great refreshing to hear him, to 1129 01:23:47.560 --> 01:23:53.560 hear him saying, oh, I fucking love that, and I can imagine 1130 01:23:53.640 --> 01:24:00.960 just the fucking bishofs squirming boil, So, you know, so interesting, 1131 01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:02.760 Bully, to hear you say, so we flashed, but this is flashing 1132 01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:06.159 all the way forward to lockdown, slashing all the way forward to lockdown. 1133 01:24:06.159 --> 01:24:09.880 When he's revealed there's a whole lot of shit that happens before that, and 1134 01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:12.239 what the real emotional way it is, the whole thing is not that he's 1135 01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:15.920 leader vases Nates, is that he screws over brook Hogan, that he wins 1136 01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:18.920 her over, he gets her to marry him unimpact, and then reveals that 1137 01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:23.119 it was all a manipulation and all he was looking to do was take over 1138 01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:28.000 become world champion. Now, why you have to marry Brooke to become the 1139 01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:30.159 leader of vases Nates and win the belt? I don't know, I know, 1140 01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:32.520 I know, I don't understand. That's kind of like it's it's it's 1141 01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:36.119 the way he weasels his way in a Hulk Hogan's heart. Because Hulk Cogan 1142 01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:40.560 is general manager of TNA, he decides who gets title shots, I guess. 1143 01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:44.319 And there's this awkward moment a few weeks out from from Lockdown in March 1144 01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:47.960 of twenty thirteen where Hogan just comes out and despite Bully winning no matches to 1145 01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:51.079 deserve it, decides that Bully is the one that's going to get the shot 1146 01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:56.319 at Jeff Hardy in the championship at Lockdown, and so it's like, finally, 1147 01:24:56.399 --> 01:24:59.279 you know, that's the trump card. He He tried to win his 1148 01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:02.399 way in a Hulkgan's heart by proving to Hulp that he'd be a good husband 1149 01:25:02.439 --> 01:25:05.439 and a faithful protector of his daughter, who, in her own right is 1150 01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:09.439 undersieged by aces and eights, right, and so we're supposed to believe that 1151 01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:12.479 it's actually the best of Bully that aces and Ates is menacing Brook Hogan and 1152 01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:15.159 scaring the shit out of her. So he's right. He's running a protection 1153 01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:20.319 racket here, almost like a kfabe protection I'm doing a lot of work for 1154 01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:25.079 them here. One thing that is said out loud is that Bully does convince 1155 01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:29.560 Hulkogan. Hulk Hogan does come out of nowhere and give Bully the title shot 1156 01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:32.600 because he's proving to be an honorable partner to his daughter. But you know, 1157 01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:35.840 the one thing you have to remember is you're gonna get Hogan buy in 1158 01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:40.640 here only because at the end he's right. At the end, he proved 1159 01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:44.279 to be the best judge of character, right because his gut reaction is that 1160 01:25:44.319 --> 01:25:46.439 Bully's up to no good and can't be trusted, and he has ill intentions 1161 01:25:46.479 --> 01:25:50.439 here visa Vie my daughter and has yeah, of course, and he absolutely 1162 01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:54.119 he knows enough about his daughter to know that she'll fall for shit like that. 1163 01:25:54.279 --> 01:25:56.720 That's also implicit in a lot of this, which I think is hilarious 1164 01:25:57.039 --> 01:26:01.239 because obviously his daughter's a moron. You know, I don't know one's left 1165 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:05.479 to wonder, you know, how, God, it's it's a great idea. 1166 01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:09.520 The Bully Brook romance. But how does this fall out of the sky, 1167 01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:15.000 this opportunity to be the one to share the screen with whole Cogan's daughter 1168 01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:17.279 at the peak of her you know, pop culture stardom. I guess you 1169 01:26:17.319 --> 01:26:21.560 could say, or coming off the peak, why Bully? Of all the 1170 01:26:21.640 --> 01:26:28.399 people, why would it be Bully? I mean, is there some some 1171 01:26:28.560 --> 01:26:34.079 basis to launch from doing there's some reason to suggest that of all the wrestlers 1172 01:26:34.119 --> 01:26:39.680 in the TNA locker room, that in reality, Bully is a step closer 1173 01:26:39.720 --> 01:26:45.199 to anybody else to actually being involved with Brooke Hogan. Oh oh no, 1174 01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:51.720 did Bully ever fuck that pussy? Oh? How did it come about? 1175 01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:57.560 Bully? That was a little Don't get me wrong, I don't want to 1176 01:26:57.560 --> 01:26:59.800 give you the impression it was a tough sell. It was not a tough 1177 01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:03.239 so, but it was a tough situation to manage on a day to day 1178 01:27:03.239 --> 01:27:08.920 basis. Now, keep in mind, um Hulk had been through a lot 1179 01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:17.520 family kids issues in her in her family relationships, and typically having your kids 1180 01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:24.159 around you in the wrestling business is sometimes tricky. Right. The audience is 1181 01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:30.199 automatically gonna you know, somebody's kid that comes into the business. Yeah, 1182 01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:32.640 just automatically right, you don't want that for your kids. I didn't want 1183 01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:35.239 it for Garretts. Why I tried talking about it getting into the wrestling business 1184 01:27:35.359 --> 01:27:40.399 because I knew it was gonna happen. Hulk felt that same way. He 1185 01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:43.800 didn't want his daughter getting criticized in social media, didn't want to take an 1186 01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:48.439 abuse just because she was his daughter on the one hand. On the other 1187 01:27:48.520 --> 01:27:54.159 hand, he's excited to give his daughter an opportunity, and she was excited 1188 01:27:54.199 --> 01:27:58.720 about doing that. So he's constantly kind of, yeah, I can't wait 1189 01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:00.960 to do this because this is gonna be fun on but oh my god, 1190 01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:03.039 my daughter's going to take a lot of abuse online because of me. So 1191 01:28:03.239 --> 01:28:08.920 that's a conflict right there. Um, and then you got you now other 1192 01:28:09.640 --> 01:28:13.720 influences within the family that could become an issue. So it was a little 1193 01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:15.800 tricky on a personal level. But at the same time he was so she 1194 01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:20.479 was excited about Rook doesn't get she's another one we're talking about. As a 1195 01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:26.840 performance wrestler inside the ring, she never really got that opportunity or really trained 1196 01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:30.640 for that opportunity. But as an on camera personality, she did some great 1197 01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:34.600 work with Boy, here's some believable shit going on there so much so that 1198 01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:40.560 I was kind of wondering myself what was going on between Bully and good stuff 1199 01:28:40.680 --> 01:28:45.720 there? Brother, Wow, you got to watch the video this one Boys 1200 01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:51.439 and Girls. So Eric tell me good stuff there, Brother Wow, I 1201 01:28:51.560 --> 01:29:00.960 gotta wonder. Here's the problem. What everybody knows TNA at this point that 1202 01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:06.960 he's dating Velvet Sky, the same Velvet Sky who, just at the time 1203 01:29:08.079 --> 01:29:13.319 Bully starts to get his world title singles main event Push suddenly re emerges with 1204 01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:16.439 a fresh, new contracted impact and wins the Knockouts Championship and is the centerpiece 1205 01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:21.880 female star of the company, directly coincident with Bubba's rise to the top of 1206 01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:27.960 the of the singles division. Oh no, Bubba was on one of Vince 1207 01:29:28.039 --> 01:29:32.000 Russo's podcasts a few years ago, and Russo is a fan of Velvets who 1208 01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:36.079 pushed her really hard when he had the book at TNA just has he's got 1209 01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:39.319 something. God, you know, Boss, He's got something. He wants 1210 01:29:39.359 --> 01:29:44.079 to ask Bully about his relationship with Velvet Sky, but he just can't bring 1211 01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:49.800 himself to ask Bubba. I gotta answer me seriously now, as as honestly 1212 01:29:49.880 --> 01:29:57.800 as you can. Bubba is in another relationship. I'm bubba. Velvet is 1213 01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:02.000 in another relationship. Why well, she's in it and they're all multiple, 1214 01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:09.640 multiple beautiful girls backstage. But while Velvet is in another relationship, Okay, 1215 01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:14.800 do you have your eye on Velvet or do you you know, just see 1216 01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:17.479 Velvet as a beautiful angel like you know, like like the rest of us 1217 01:30:17.560 --> 01:30:21.359 do, or do you have your eye on her that? Yeah? God, 1218 01:30:21.439 --> 01:30:25.479 I wish you know she was single, available and it could be something 1219 01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:29.399 more. Now, absolutely not, because I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't 1220 01:30:29.439 --> 01:30:32.039 do that anybody else in the business. Okay, So you want that done 1221 01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:35.720 to me? So I would look at that as disrespectful. Me and her 1222 01:30:35.880 --> 01:30:41.600 have been friends from day one, okay, doing each other for eight years, 1223 01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:47.159 and we just our personalities always clicked on a friendly level. Okay, 1224 01:30:47.239 --> 01:30:54.000 beautiful, Okay, all right, so now the relationship ends. We've been 1225 01:30:54.199 --> 01:31:00.119 friends on a friendly level for a certain number of years, right, so 1226 01:31:00.319 --> 01:31:04.239 pro is Listen, and you gotta understand I'm living vicariously through you because I've 1227 01:31:04.279 --> 01:31:06.760 been married for thirty one years. I'm dead, bro, I'm like, 1228 01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:11.600 I'm just as good as dead. Okay, So now, bro, do 1229 01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:16.399 we have like is there a conversation to bring this to the next level. 1230 01:31:16.920 --> 01:31:25.680 Is there a bubba line or does it like kind of organically just happen totally, 1231 01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:31.239 totally organic because she was in a relationship. I was in a relationship 1232 01:31:31.479 --> 01:31:35.239 outside. I was in a relationship for a very short time in the wrestling 1233 01:31:35.279 --> 01:31:40.000 business, but I had a three year relationship outside of the wrestling business. 1234 01:31:40.359 --> 01:31:45.680 So she was going through her her tough times in her relationship. I was 1235 01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:50.800 going through my tough times in my relationship. We were always friendly. We 1236 01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:56.880 had always seen each other at TV, we had hung out in the same 1237 01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:00.600 circles sometimes, you know, after shows, going out to eat or going 1238 01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:04.680 out to have a drink, and we always just got along. So me 1239 01:32:04.840 --> 01:32:11.760 and her relationship what it is today was probably the foundation for it was being 1240 01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:17.239 poured years and years ago just on friendship. So after she, you know, 1241 01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:20.399 got out of her relationship and I got out of mine, it was 1242 01:32:20.479 --> 01:32:25.279 kind of like we just started talking and we found out that we had so 1243 01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:30.479 much in common in the things that went wrong with our relationships. We knew 1244 01:32:30.600 --> 01:32:34.680 we had got along so well. We just started talking, and you know, 1245 01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:41.680 that's it. It's happened to a million people before This is not like 1246 01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:43.960 I walk up to her and I, hey, can I buy you a 1247 01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:46.720 drink? Baby? You know it's not bad at all. Bro, Where 1248 01:32:46.840 --> 01:32:53.840 is velvet from Connecticut? Okay? She was pointing raised in Connecticut? Right, 1249 01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:59.159 so Broa, I'm assuming you've met the parents. Oh? Absolutely, 1250 01:32:59.319 --> 01:33:02.840 and that was a beautiful thing. You're just trying to find something negative picture. 1251 01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:10.479 Bub Hey, hey, hey, hey, As much as you know 1252 01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:14.520 I love velvet, you don't think i'd want to see how with somebody like 1253 01:33:14.680 --> 01:33:16.760 you? Are you out of your mind? Come on now? The parents? 1254 01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:18.960 All right? Hey, hey, Bubba, I gotta ask you this. 1255 01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:23.439 I know. Okay, Yeah, You're really not give me anything any 1256 01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:25.920 dirt day, so I'm gonna move on. You don't ask the dirt. 1257 01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:28.520 I don't. I can't. I can't for dirt. But I can't ask 1258 01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:30.319 you for Ask you who you want dirt? D ask the dirt question. 1259 01:33:30.479 --> 01:33:34.000 I can't. I can't, I can't, not not not because it because 1260 01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:39.039 it's velvet. Bro, what do you want to know? Okay, let's 1261 01:33:39.079 --> 01:33:41.800 move on to the next topic. I see, I gave you the opportunity, 1262 01:33:42.039 --> 01:33:44.960 but you punked out. Okay, Bubba, listen, I know you're 1263 01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:50.840 a big soccer guy, a soccer soccer as in the game of football. 1264 01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:55.239 You I don't know, could it have been? Could it have been? 1265 01:33:55.640 --> 01:33:59.840 This from Hollywood Raw? The Brook Hogan interviews from last year are wrestling royal. 1266 01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:02.640 You've been around wrestling your whole life. Have you ever dated a wrestler 1267 01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:11.840 for a brief moment? For a brief moment. It's so funny because on 1268 01:34:11.960 --> 01:34:18.560 TNA, we did a like a storyline with Bully Ray and I was like, 1269 01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:20.640 all right, cool, I love the storyline, super cool, like 1270 01:34:20.720 --> 01:34:24.399 he's trying to take over the company and you know, pitting me and my 1271 01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:28.880 dad against each other and this whole thing. And in real life, he 1272 01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:31.920 actually asked my dad if he could actually take me out, and totally like 1273 01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:34.439 not somebody that you would think like, oh, yeah, you're gonna date 1274 01:34:34.479 --> 01:34:39.840 a big old wrestler. But he was super nice and funny and really cool, 1275 01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:41.640 and I was like, yeah, whatever, you know, like I've 1276 01:34:41.720 --> 01:34:44.960 never been about anything other than like if you've got a personality or talent, 1277 01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:47.279 Like that's a turn onto me. So we went on a couple dates, 1278 01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:53.560 and I think he was maybe still dating Velvet Sky. I'm not really sure. 1279 01:34:54.000 --> 01:34:58.640 So I did not know that at the time, but I definitely did 1280 01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:01.640 not get I think the vibes. I put two and two together and I 1281 01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:05.199 was like, Hm, I'm just going to remove myself from the situation right 1282 01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:11.119 now. Interesting, I know, boy, I mean that's uh so did 1283 01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:13.760 it are you guys still friends? Are close? Or how did that relationship 1284 01:35:13.800 --> 01:35:15.680 sort of end? Dating? End? Um? I'll work totally cordial. 1285 01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:18.399 I mean, he'll text me once in a blue moon and like I'll just 1286 01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:30.399 be like maybe I won't answer. Yeah, Brooke, Brooke Brook. The 1287 01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:43.000 question is this, did he satisfy did your urges? Okay? Howard? 1288 01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:47.520 And and you love it and you love and you love it, you love 1289 01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:55.960 it and you need more of it? Right, it's not stop bully pounding, 1290 01:35:56.079 --> 01:36:00.800 bully pounding, bully Velvet. When you were making these passes, were 1291 01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:05.039 you with velvet? Movie masked? Hogan for permission? Mark? Mark? 1292 01:36:09.079 --> 01:36:12.239 What's going on here? Pal? Is this the reason you were chosen for 1293 01:36:12.279 --> 01:36:15.760 the storyline? Was it was the horse already out of the barn? Mark? 1294 01:36:16.039 --> 01:36:28.119 Were you inside? Brook? M Brother, I can say that. 1295 01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:32.960 You can say that again, dude, and you can see how being into 1296 01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:36.600 it if it's business right, it's like m hmmm, well, you know, 1297 01:36:38.119 --> 01:36:40.640 if he's gonna actually go out with her, then we need to do 1298 01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:44.199 something. We need to make it a storyline. You know, well, 1299 01:36:44.199 --> 01:36:45.520 I mean brother or not, we are we gonna you know, we're gonna 1300 01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:49.680 kind of play up that kfabe dude, kind of keep it on the level. 1301 01:36:49.760 --> 01:36:53.000 I gotta chick in a red question on this whole thing, you know, 1302 01:36:53.199 --> 01:36:57.720 Devil does Brook does Bully seek permission to date Brooke after he starts the 1303 01:36:57.800 --> 01:37:00.840 on screen romance when they were before. To me, that's a critical question 1304 01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:04.079 and apparently still going out with Velvet or at least Brooke picked up those Wow 1305 01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:09.960 they were together a long time Bully and Velvet and they got engaged. And 1306 01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:15.079 then in November of last year of twenty twenty one, a month after, 1307 01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:18.600 Velvet put a tweet up and then deleted it, taking issue with an interview 1308 01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:24.720 Divon did, explaining from Devon's perspective, why he and Bubba don't really associate 1309 01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:30.239 with each other anymore and don't certainly don't do business together anymore. Velvet tweets 1310 01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:34.239 fiction can be fun l if you'll only knew the truth because this saying hit. 1311 01:37:35.159 --> 01:37:40.479 She then deletes the tweet. Whoa October twenty twenty one. The month 1312 01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:50.840 after that, Bubba and Velvet issue a joint statement announcing their split. Taking 1313 01:37:50.960 --> 01:37:58.960 to Twitter, they both tweet Buba and I or Velvet and I have decided 1314 01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:01.039 to part ways amicably. There's no animosity and we will always be cool and 1315 01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:03.760 we wish each other well in life. This will be the only public comment 1316 01:38:03.800 --> 01:38:13.960 we make on the matter. And then then here's Brooke dishing and way she 1317 01:38:14.079 --> 01:38:18.359 hasn't dished before about the history and the backdrop. That's that is the fact 1318 01:38:18.439 --> 01:38:21.920 pattern I can present to you. You make your own judgments from there, 1319 01:38:24.199 --> 01:38:30.359 but I would suggest there's quite a bit going on behind this on screen romance 1320 01:38:30.399 --> 01:38:34.039 between Bully Ray and Brooke Hogan and TNA. As for Brook, she's out 1321 01:38:34.039 --> 01:38:39.239 there kfabe and the ship out of this wedding. She's doing interviews like she's 1322 01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:44.239 actually going to marry this guy, including this one on the John Boy and 1323 01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:48.359 Billy radio show right around the time of that January seventeenth, I think it 1324 01:38:48.479 --> 01:38:56.399 is right or nineteenth twenty thirteen episode of Impact where Bully and Brooker wed and 1325 01:38:56.479 --> 01:39:00.439 center ring or about to be broke about the wedding. Tonight, Tip Ted 1326 01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:08.119 we can all watch live on Spike TV getting a PM Eastern. How do 1327 01:39:08.159 --> 01:39:10.760 you feel about this? Let me tell you, Let me tell you, 1328 01:39:11.279 --> 01:39:15.840 Let me tell your fun brother. You know what's so funny? Even though, 1329 01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:19.960 um, you know, in the wrestling world, I love it. 1330 01:39:20.039 --> 01:39:25.399 I'm very proud of it. I'm loving being with Tna. I am still 1331 01:39:25.439 --> 01:39:28.960 a girly girl. And I never ever thought I was going to get married 1332 01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:33.479 in the middle of a wrestling right easy. You know. I thought I 1333 01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:35.720 was one of the people that was like, that's so cheesy. I some 1334 01:39:36.079 --> 01:39:40.920 people do that. But you know Mark or I'm sorry Bully as you guys 1335 01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:44.119 know him, Um, you know, just said, hey, I want 1336 01:39:44.159 --> 01:39:45.720 to marry in the middle of the ring. And that's his personality. He's 1337 01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:49.279 he's really crazy. He's got stuff last minute and you know, off the 1338 01:39:49.359 --> 01:39:51.880 cuff, and you know, when you love somebody, you're just kind of 1339 01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:55.279 like, it doesn't matter when we get married. You just kind of go 1340 01:39:55.399 --> 01:39:58.039 with it. You know. I can say, you may tail of my 1341 01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:09.159 wife, and sure, I don't think. First of all, I think 1342 01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:12.760 that this is I'm trying to do some inner psychology work on my daddy. 1343 01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:16.399 I think that he never wanted me to data wrestler in the first place, 1344 01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:21.159 which is where from? And I think now it's becoming a personal, you 1345 01:40:21.239 --> 01:40:25.319 know issue, because he might be a little bit jealous or he might be 1346 01:40:25.479 --> 01:40:29.199 for losing this little girl. I'm not really surf it. You know my 1347 01:40:29.359 --> 01:40:31.439 dads. I love my dad and he knows I do so, and he 1348 01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:34.960 raised me right, so I know I'm making the right choice. I know. 1349 01:40:35.239 --> 01:40:38.960 I know Bully is a good guy, and you know he'll feed out 1350 01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:42.039 to get married in the middle of a ring. What you're gonna do about 1351 01:40:42.079 --> 01:40:48.359 the honeymoon? No, you know what where I might as well be like 1352 01:40:49.079 --> 01:40:56.840 a perfect little sex what. Oh gosh, I don't think about that's not 1353 01:40:56.880 --> 01:41:01.079 gonna be a pay per view if that's what you're asking, make some I 1354 01:41:01.199 --> 01:41:10.199 haven't even had a bird. D Well, we will see the reaction. 1355 01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:14.079 We'll see what happens. And I tell you what it is. It is 1356 01:41:14.159 --> 01:41:18.880 something. It is a lot of buzz going around this and everybody free of 1357 01:41:19.119 --> 01:41:28.720 charge tonight. Okay. She starts calling him my daddy because she's trying to 1358 01:41:28.760 --> 01:41:30.880 be Nashville, right. She never just called him my daddy in her life 1359 01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:34.800 like that. Yeah, and Eta, oh my god, that has to 1360 01:41:34.880 --> 01:41:41.760 be pointed out my daddy the bald faces. There's no honeymoon because there's not 1361 01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:44.840 a real wedding, because it's all fake. And uh, after this, 1362 01:41:45.079 --> 01:41:48.359 after this interview airs, Uh, I think a certain Tampa area code lights 1363 01:41:48.399 --> 01:41:51.439 up. Brookto who's calling it? It's Hogan? What does he say? 1364 01:41:51.520 --> 01:42:00.800 Boss? What is birds and the Bees? Brother? I just I just 1365 01:42:00.920 --> 01:42:04.079 want I just want to I just want to dial the centelment. Brother. 1366 01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:09.760 Are you when you say birds and bees? Are you talking? Are you 1367 01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:14.439 talking Bronzel? Brother? You're talking killer bees? Dude? Are talking about? 1368 01:42:14.520 --> 01:42:16.760 Actually? Brother, we're taking it. We gotta let's dial this back 1369 01:42:16.800 --> 01:42:19.960 in again. Brother. Are you talking when you talk birds and bees? 1370 01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:26.199 Are you talking Bronzel and Coco? Brother? Are they the Birdman and the 1371 01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:28.880 killer Bees? I mean, brother, are you talking about? I don't 1372 01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:31.359 understand why you bring them up? Broke? I mean, have you Brooke? 1373 01:42:31.439 --> 01:42:36.920 Are you talking Broke? Are you talking to Coco? Dude? Are 1374 01:42:36.920 --> 01:42:43.800 you talking to Frankie? Brother? What's going on? What's going on here? 1375 01:42:43.840 --> 01:42:45.880 Brother? I want to just get these kind of laying out, brother, 1376 01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:49.079 right exactly. I want to get all the facts out, dude. 1377 01:42:49.439 --> 01:42:57.720 You know, listen enough playing, you know we're done sticking in the drawer. 1378 01:42:57.880 --> 01:43:01.840 Brother, And I have to tell you, Boss, of all the 1379 01:43:01.960 --> 01:43:08.479 things I salivated over the potential of when I planned to ask you what Hulk 1380 01:43:08.520 --> 01:43:11.800 said to Brooke after the phone call highest on the list, and I'm glad 1381 01:43:11.800 --> 01:43:23.760 you hit it was. Have you been talking to Frankie Brother? No, 1382 01:43:24.039 --> 01:43:39.199 Dad, I've been talking to Christopher Daniels. Did Bubba pound? Boss? 1383 01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:48.000 You tell me who? I imagine that There is a look on Bubba's face 1384 01:43:50.079 --> 01:43:57.079 when he is about to nut. That's been clear, all right? Now 1385 01:43:58.600 --> 01:44:01.439 this line down is yeah, oh yeah, you know, and like that 1386 01:44:01.600 --> 01:44:09.880 that kind of psychotic face, except now it's red and it's sweaty, and 1387 01:44:10.039 --> 01:44:18.279 he is just just accelerating because it's now you know, he's got that he's 1388 01:44:18.319 --> 01:44:23.560 got that that that get the tables look after. You know, he he'd 1389 01:44:23.600 --> 01:44:27.479 power bomb a woman through a table, you know, and he's just like 1390 01:44:28.079 --> 01:44:33.520 he's just he's just stone faced, but red and just like hungry. I 1391 01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:39.520 mean, look, I say this with no negative connotation whatsoever, only with 1392 01:44:39.640 --> 01:44:43.279 positive connotations. I'm just noting that, you know, when brooksharees the screen 1393 01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:45.119 with another member of let's say the knock House roster, she's wanting to do 1394 01:44:45.159 --> 01:44:48.960 as an administrator. She towers over them. She's taller, she's a oh 1395 01:44:49.039 --> 01:44:53.640 my god, she's huge. A woman we saw in Two Headed Chart Attack, 1396 01:44:53.720 --> 01:44:56.239 the film she did that we did under the Cinemat. She's so much 1397 01:44:56.279 --> 01:44:59.680 bigger than her female co stars in that movie. She is just a broader, 1398 01:44:59.720 --> 01:45:01.760 show, older, bigger. I mean, she's a Hogan. You 1399 01:45:01.840 --> 01:45:08.039 know, she's got exactly you know, does it take someone the size and 1400 01:45:08.119 --> 01:45:11.439 proportion of a Bully Ray to tame her? Yes? I mean that's the 1401 01:45:11.560 --> 01:45:15.000 question I have. Yes it does. Yes, it does. You know 1402 01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:20.079 that she needs to be tamed? Is that what it is? Yes? 1403 01:45:21.880 --> 01:45:27.680 And Bully Ray? This straight from stern Man. I can't I have to 1404 01:45:27.800 --> 01:45:30.880 do this whole thing. I hope people believe me. It's just me trying 1405 01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:34.439 to be started, just loving that thing of his act where he could just 1406 01:45:34.560 --> 01:45:38.680 do this as poking prod. The thing is he would have the actual person 1407 01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:41.359 in front of him when he did it right, and they signed up for 1408 01:45:41.439 --> 01:45:45.399 it by coming on his show. But it's a lost art. Mark Mark 1409 01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:58.520 god Mark Lamonico of all people. He he relishes in ravaging, and he 1410 01:45:59.119 --> 01:46:08.640 becomes a psychopath when he when he when he is ready to fucking just shoot 1411 01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:16.760 his fucking wad. He he is, he disappears, he becomes something else. 1412 01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:21.439 Yeah, it's a Jacqueline hide thing, a ja yeah, yeah, 1413 01:46:21.560 --> 01:46:32.159 yeah, a jaculate and hide the ball. And he just like, yeah, 1414 01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:36.840 it's actually not safe to be his to be That's why I didn't last 1415 01:46:36.920 --> 01:46:42.800 so long with him, you know, because because it may end in death. 1416 01:46:45.399 --> 01:46:51.079 All Right, it's good play. That's what he does. He's he's 1417 01:46:51.399 --> 01:46:56.079 he's a maniac. So you're saying he's up to the task. As it 1418 01:46:56.119 --> 01:47:04.279 regards Bill, I'm saying, if there you know, I'm saying, if 1419 01:47:04.319 --> 01:47:13.119 there's anybody who's gonna tame anybody, it's Mark Lamonico. I just love when 1420 01:47:13.279 --> 01:47:17.600 they asked Brooke on that Hollywood Roy interview if she's ever data wrestling, she 1421 01:47:17.640 --> 01:47:24.039 goes like she knows, like she's got to go there. Now. It's 1422 01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:28.279 a it's a long story, boss. And speaking of long stories, if 1423 01:47:28.319 --> 01:47:30.399 we're going to be out in the in the media ahead of this big impact 1424 01:47:31.159 --> 01:47:35.479 U in January of twenty thirteen, the Big Wedding episode, which U it's 1425 01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:41.039 important to note, was the lead in to the premiere of Bellatore Mma live 1426 01:47:41.119 --> 01:47:44.680 on Spike TV. This is the m a company that bet that Spike and 1427 01:47:44.960 --> 01:47:55.279 Paramount bought after Viscom bought UM after UM after UFC left for Fox, and 1428 01:47:56.039 --> 01:47:59.520 they had like that year into Regnant period where they didn't have MA and then 1429 01:47:59.520 --> 01:48:03.880 they started putting Bellatoor fighters and personalities on Impact to try to do essentially what 1430 01:48:03.960 --> 01:48:08.960 they did with the raw audience to build interest in the UFC's reality show in 1431 01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:12.600 two thousand and five, which launched the UFC into the stratosphere, trying again 1432 01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:15.720 borrow that wrestling audience to you know, seed a new base of interest for 1433 01:48:15.760 --> 01:48:23.039 an MMA product. And so this Bully Ray Brooke wedding was really rushed all 1434 01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:26.079 of a sudden, was happening the week after the proposal on Impact. Yeah, 1435 01:48:27.279 --> 01:48:29.960 And the reason it was that way, as far as I can tell, 1436 01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:33.199 is that Spike was really relying on them and leaning on them to deliver 1437 01:48:33.319 --> 01:48:38.520 a big walk up audience to the premiere of Bellatour, which aired immediately after 1438 01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:41.800 this episode of Impact. You know, to make the ratings look better for 1439 01:48:41.920 --> 01:48:45.680 Bellatoor. You want a big splashy rating week one out of the gate with 1440 01:48:45.800 --> 01:48:49.479 this new investment you have here, So you know, what's the hottest shot 1441 01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:51.840 angle that t Anda could put together. At the time, it was pretty 1442 01:48:51.920 --> 01:48:55.600 much this, So they went ahead and did it, and you know, 1443 01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:59.279 we'll talk about and get into more detail as we dived through this material in 1444 01:48:59.399 --> 01:49:02.000 chronologic order. They did pretty much deliver on that front. But that's the 1445 01:49:02.079 --> 01:49:08.199 reason if you're marching through the Brook Bully storyline progression from the end of twenty 1446 01:49:08.239 --> 01:49:10.920 twelve to twenty thirteen, that it suddenly comes to a head of a wedding 1447 01:49:10.960 --> 01:49:14.640 so quickly is because they had to deliver for Spike him as a lead in 1448 01:49:14.720 --> 01:49:18.520 for belatory. But now Brook's out there doing interviews, trying to get people 1449 01:49:18.560 --> 01:49:23.319 to care, trying to get people to believe in this wedding, and she's 1450 01:49:24.239 --> 01:49:27.359 really pulling a lot of pages out of her daddy's book. This is an 1451 01:49:27.399 --> 01:49:30.359 interview here. Arkland Newsday, January sixteenth, twenty thirteen. Take it away. 1452 01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:36.319 Brook Hogan was just twelve years old when she watched Triple Age Mary Stephanie 1453 01:49:36.399 --> 01:49:42.159 McMahon on an episode of Monday Night Raw, a self professed girly girls. 1454 01:49:42.239 --> 01:49:46.039 You vowed then that her dream wedding would never take place on a wrestling show. 1455 01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:51.000 Quote. I still wanted my flowers in my church and my beautiful ceremony 1456 01:49:51.039 --> 01:49:55.319 with all my friends and family there, said Hogan, twenty four, the 1457 01:49:55.439 --> 01:50:00.399 daughter of pro wrestling icon Hulk Hogan. I kind I just kind of let 1458 01:50:00.520 --> 01:50:04.119 go of my dream when I had the man that I love standing in front 1459 01:50:04.159 --> 01:50:06.880 of me saying, baby, you want to do it next week in the 1460 01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:12.520 middle of the ring. That man is Bully Ray, the Native Long Islander 1461 01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:16.399 who went on to achieve wrestling greatness as one of the decorated tag team the 1462 01:50:16.600 --> 01:50:21.920 Dudley Boys Slash Team three D. The unlikely wrestling couple is set to exchange 1463 01:50:21.960 --> 01:50:29.000 their vows on this Tuesday's edition on this Thursday's edition of TNA Impact Wrestling on 1464 01:50:29.239 --> 01:50:32.119 Spike at eight pm, proving that she is her father's daughter, Hogan was 1465 01:50:32.159 --> 01:50:38.000 sure to keep a straight face when promoting her wrestling world wedding. In an 1466 01:50:38.039 --> 01:50:44.960 interview Wednesday, She's now at Carney Yes. Quote, this is my family, 1467 01:50:45.199 --> 01:50:47.640 The wrestling business is my family, So why not do it right in 1468 01:50:47.720 --> 01:50:53.640 front of God and everybody? Literally, said Hogan, who drew comparisons between 1469 01:50:53.680 --> 01:51:00.800 her betrothed and the other man in her life. Quote, I came from 1470 01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:04.680 my father being one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. It's really hard 1471 01:51:04.840 --> 01:51:09.199 to fill those shoes, and it's really intriguing to me to find a man 1472 01:51:09.319 --> 01:51:13.199 who knows the same business as my father, knows how it works, and 1473 01:51:13.319 --> 01:51:15.960 is savvy in it and intelligent, not just as a performer. He's so 1474 01:51:16.199 --> 01:51:20.239 smart. That's one of the things that really turns me on about him, 1475 01:51:20.760 --> 01:51:24.800 Hogan. Instead of Bully Ray forty one, who was a lot leaner and 1476 01:51:24.960 --> 01:51:28.920 more muscular than the Bubba Ray Dudley she washed on television as a child, 1477 01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:30.960 it's not right, Like, let's be very clear, he's not fat anymore. 1478 01:51:31.039 --> 01:51:34.279 Brooke is marrying a fatty. They very go out of their way to 1479 01:51:34.359 --> 01:51:39.000 say that, and she even says it in that little interview clip. She's 1480 01:51:39.039 --> 01:51:42.720 like, you know, if you've got a personality, then that's a turn 1481 01:51:42.800 --> 01:51:44.560 on to me. In other words, like I know, if you google 1482 01:51:44.680 --> 01:51:55.119 him right now, you won't think that. Yeah. Well, when I 1483 01:51:55.199 --> 01:51:58.840 first started working with TNA, I didn't even recognize him because he looks so 1484 01:51:58.920 --> 01:52:01.359 different. I was like, God, he's hot, look at those arms, 1485 01:52:01.439 --> 01:52:04.439 look at his face. You know he's Italian too. I was like, 1486 01:52:04.520 --> 01:52:10.720 I bet he makes some really good meat balls. Yeah, they're all 1487 01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:14.079 gone by the time you can have one, exactly. He makes him and 1488 01:52:14.159 --> 01:52:19.279 he eats him before you get home. It's been nearly a h you want 1489 01:52:19.439 --> 01:52:25.520 some awesome I bet he makes him really good meat balls. Meatballs, Brook 1490 01:52:25.760 --> 01:52:33.920 Jesus Christ. Yeah, Yeah, that's all it takes. Brook Jesus fucking 1491 01:52:34.039 --> 01:52:38.960 Just walk up and down fucking Little Italy in New York, for God's sake, 1492 01:52:39.680 --> 01:52:45.960 find somebody there with good meat balls. Go go to go to go, 1493 01:52:45.199 --> 01:52:51.159 go to uh, go to go to Little Italy during one of the 1494 01:52:51.199 --> 01:52:56.479 fucking Italian festivals, and you'll fall find a lot of great meatballs. So 1495 01:52:56.840 --> 01:52:59.640 basically, what you're saying is Mario Batali could have betted her as well. 1496 01:53:00.399 --> 01:53:05.800 I mean just saying, my grandma could have two. What's she's saying. 1497 01:53:08.039 --> 01:53:11.960 It's been nearly a year since Hogan joined Total NonStop Action Wrestling as the on 1498 01:53:12.159 --> 01:53:16.640 air head of the Quote Knockouts Women's division. After facing some early doubts from 1499 01:53:16.760 --> 01:53:20.680 vans and colleagues about her place in the company, Hogan said she believes she's 1500 01:53:20.760 --> 01:53:26.039 proven herself. Quote. I think it's been my willingness to spend time with 1501 01:53:26.119 --> 01:53:28.720 the girls. Of course, they were going to be like, who is 1502 01:53:28.760 --> 01:53:31.159 this girl? She's younger than us, She's totally inexperience, Hogan said. 1503 01:53:31.600 --> 01:53:35.920 But what they can rest easy knowing is that I have the two best mentors 1504 01:53:36.279 --> 01:53:41.920 in the wrestling business. Ever. I had Vince McMahon and Hulk Hogan over 1505 01:53:42.039 --> 01:53:47.479 my house every day. I heard the folk excuse me. I mean she 1506 01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:51.560 was like when when Hulk was in WWF, she was like in grade school. 1507 01:53:51.920 --> 01:53:57.119 She's not learning a single goddamn thing from Vince McMahon. Brook, Come 1508 01:53:57.159 --> 01:54:00.600 on in, I'm gonna teach of the business. Pell Ye, it's my 1509 01:54:00.800 --> 01:54:03.920 business. Stephanie's like, Daddy, can I come into shut up, get 1510 01:54:03.960 --> 01:54:08.800 back in the merchandise catalog, Go go, go, go do some kind 1511 01:54:08.840 --> 01:54:12.880 of creative work, and the hell alone. I'm here with Brook Hogan, 1512 01:54:14.279 --> 01:54:20.319 the other Hogan, the immortal one herself. Normal thing to say to her 1513 01:54:20.800 --> 01:54:28.600 four year old girl, So you learn how to read? Yet you know 1514 01:54:28.680 --> 01:54:31.760 how to read copy? Are you a fan of the internet? What? 1515 01:54:35.640 --> 01:54:45.000 Vin smith Man sits down an adolescent Brook Hogan in the nineties and tightened Towers 1516 01:54:46.039 --> 01:54:51.359 asks her, because you know he knows how to relate to children. Do 1517 01:54:51.439 --> 01:54:56.600 you know how to read? Yet? Do you know how to read copy? 1518 01:54:57.960 --> 01:55:06.479 Are you familiar with internet? What she's about? Why does he What 1519 01:55:06.720 --> 01:55:10.079 does the internet have to do with this? Where were you going with that? 1520 01:55:10.199 --> 01:55:13.880 Boss? Continue speak? You can't speak, just talk. I don't 1521 01:55:13.920 --> 01:55:16.800 understand the difficulty here. Explain where you were going. I'm a I'm a 1522 01:55:16.880 --> 01:55:24.039 novice with the with the with the internet, and there are certain web pages 1523 01:55:24.119 --> 01:55:28.199 that I would like to to to observe, but um, I don't. 1524 01:55:28.239 --> 01:55:33.239 I don't know. It's like eight but I'm not sure how to how to 1525 01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:38.600 put it in. Vince is still in the stage, like when he presses 1526 01:55:38.600 --> 01:55:42.199 a key it makes a bleep noise on his computer because he's so like fucked 1527 01:55:42.279 --> 01:55:53.000 up an ms ms doss. Why was there noise coming from my my my 1528 01:55:53.600 --> 01:55:57.840 computerized machine? Do you know how to read copy? Are you familiar with 1529 01:55:57.920 --> 01:56:02.279 the internet? He asks Brooke Hogan Aj in a closed door meeting. Now 1530 01:56:02.319 --> 01:56:06.680 are you well kick his own daughter out? Are do you do? You? 1531 01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:13.840 Do you? Are you? Are you really eight years old? M 1532 01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:18.039 hm? Do you do you have the qualifications to be any earld child? 1533 01:56:20.079 --> 01:56:28.199 I don't know if you do so, I mean Hulk is out of the 1534 01:56:28.239 --> 01:56:32.600 company by ninety three. How old could you have been do you do? 1535 01:56:32.720 --> 01:56:38.239 You? Do you? I mean, listen, you know they're illegal issues 1536 01:56:38.640 --> 01:56:46.439 if you lie about being eight years old. This is stenographer. Really have 1537 01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:55.960 to be present for this. Vince taking contemporaneous notes for Jerry mcgevitt. Now, 1538 01:56:56.039 --> 01:56:58.520 can you tell me what your father's actually doing over there at Turner? 1539 01:56:59.159 --> 01:57:01.439 Wow? Okay, so that's that makes more sense. So he's already at 1540 01:57:01.600 --> 01:57:05.680 WCW. So now she's actually like probably twelve. I want I need to 1541 01:57:05.800 --> 01:57:13.479 know what's going on at Turner? Do you know Turner? Have you met 1542 01:57:14.319 --> 01:57:20.840 ted Turner? And scene flash forward twelve hours later. Brooke comes into the 1543 01:57:20.880 --> 01:57:26.039 house in bel air, puts the keys on the table, presses the the 1544 01:57:26.159 --> 01:57:30.079 answering machine and it's Hulk dialing in from the road. They're in des Moines 1545 01:57:30.119 --> 01:57:35.399 doing nitro. Message one left at blah blah blah. The day after she 1546 01:57:35.520 --> 01:57:43.439 met with Vince, Dude, brother, what's going on up there in Stamford? 1547 01:57:43.520 --> 01:57:49.039 Dude? We his daughters talk to eight years old brother. He's called 1548 01:57:49.680 --> 01:57:55.479 what's going on in Stamford? Dude? Fourteen? You've been talking to VisiC 1549 01:57:55.560 --> 01:58:04.399 man? Brother? YEP, I gotta know why it is? You know, 1550 01:58:05.479 --> 01:58:09.960 I think I'm a pretty good dad, brother, But I gotta wonder 1551 01:58:10.039 --> 01:58:14.720 exactly why it is that my own daughter he's trying to put her hand between 1552 01:58:14.800 --> 01:58:16.760 my legs and roll me up. Brother, Well, you certainly put your 1553 01:58:16.800 --> 01:58:25.199 hand between hers. I'm an applying baby oil. Not get that aces and 1554 01:58:25.399 --> 01:58:27.359 ATE's voice gimmick you have? Do you have one that makes it sound like 1555 01:58:27.399 --> 01:58:30.079 you're on the telephone or a nineteen nineties answering machine? Probably good, but 1556 01:58:30.199 --> 01:58:33.800 again, make it right now over recording. But I could, I should 1557 01:58:33.880 --> 01:58:36.760 probably set that. I think that that that'll probably paid evidence down the line. 1558 01:58:38.079 --> 01:58:40.880 Totally. An awful lot of voicemails. I think we've established that over 1559 01:58:40.960 --> 01:58:51.039 the years. Brother, the machine stopped for the halfway through this muttering. 1560 01:58:51.760 --> 01:58:55.840 First of all, Dude, I'm not a this answering machine. Dude, 1561 01:58:55.840 --> 01:58:59.840 I'm not a I don't understand, brother, why the answering machine takes it 1562 01:59:00.039 --> 01:59:02.079 upon itself to cut me off? Dude? Why are you talking to this? 1563 01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:11.239 What are you trying to become Vince's daughter? Brother? You're trying to 1564 01:59:11.319 --> 01:59:15.000 leave me at the parent alter dude, And I gotta, I gotta, 1565 01:59:15.359 --> 01:59:18.039 I need to go check probate records. Brother, process all right, you 1566 01:59:18.079 --> 01:59:20.920 know what, dude, I'm gonna tell you right now. Brother, all 1567 01:59:21.000 --> 01:59:25.960 right, enough of the games exactly here we go. All right, Brook 1568 01:59:26.039 --> 01:59:30.399 Tiny, it's time to stop playing, you know, stink up the bedroom. 1569 01:59:33.520 --> 01:59:44.600 Stink up the bedroom, litigate the fix. Stop playing walk the sidewalk. 1570 01:59:44.760 --> 01:59:47.720 Brother, all right, stop playing watch the movie at home? Brother? 1571 01:59:49.439 --> 01:59:57.239 Enough enough of this, be kind please rewind dude enough you know Rent 1572 01:59:57.319 --> 02:00:01.439 in the video, Brother, we gonna talk Turkey Brook Katy, and I'm 1573 02:00:01.520 --> 02:00:08.239 sick and tired of having to listen to these games. Brother. You're grounded, 1574 02:00:08.359 --> 02:00:17.600 dude. Fuck, it's not going well. Derry Vince is not losing 1575 02:00:17.800 --> 02:00:29.640 in the psychological battle. Hold on, brother, Broke can't even finish her 1576 02:00:29.720 --> 02:00:34.479 name. Are you the third guy? Brother? Talk to you? What's 1577 02:00:34.520 --> 02:00:38.680 going on? Oh? Is he talk to me about the third man? 1578 02:00:38.840 --> 02:00:44.439 Brothers? I gotta understand he is it? Brooke? Brooke is twelve? 1579 02:00:44.520 --> 02:00:46.840 What are you talking about? Why? Brother? You know, dude, 1580 02:00:47.079 --> 02:00:50.239 I got these things happening at home. Brother. I don't know what's going 1581 02:00:50.319 --> 02:00:53.880 on, dude, and I'm just wondering. I'm sitting here, like the 1582 02:00:53.960 --> 02:00:56.439 only thing that makes sense to me, dude, is that you've talked to 1583 02:00:56.520 --> 02:01:00.439 Brooke and you're gonna bring Brooke in into third guy brother back to the Beach 1584 02:01:00.600 --> 02:01:04.520 ninety six hulks like this the third man, Bubba Ray Dudley dude, like 1585 02:01:04.680 --> 02:01:11.199 the guy from dc W in the overalls. Brother, You getting the brother? 1586 02:01:11.239 --> 02:01:14.000 You getting the Dudley boys in Brother as the third guy. Dude, 1587 02:01:14.000 --> 02:01:16.920 you're gonna have two guys the third guy Brother. What's going on? Dude, 1588 02:01:16.960 --> 02:01:21.640 I'm I'm I'm trying to figure out. Brother. You got fucking that 1589 02:01:21.920 --> 02:01:29.079 that that Mark Lamonico, Dude, that's far We're bringing him in brother backstage 1590 02:01:29.079 --> 02:01:33.319 Impact you give him the title dude, twenty twelve Impact Zone late November. 1591 02:01:35.319 --> 02:01:39.279 Mister ruh, mister Hogan. Can I have a minute of your time? 1592 02:01:39.560 --> 02:01:42.159 The cameras aren't rolling, by the way, this is a shoot. Sure, 1593 02:01:42.199 --> 02:01:44.039 brother, sit down, dude. What's going on? What do we 1594 02:01:44.119 --> 02:01:46.800 got? Dude? You know I just hold on, hold on, brother. 1595 02:01:46.920 --> 02:01:49.560 This is kind of backing up a little bit. Dude. You push 1596 02:01:49.640 --> 02:01:53.319 that chair back. Brother. We no, we're not you know, brother, 1597 02:01:53.399 --> 02:01:55.920 we're not playing holding the hands here, dude, exactly? You got 1598 02:01:56.000 --> 02:02:00.920 a recording device on your dude, are you gosh something? I just want 1599 02:02:00.920 --> 02:02:05.960 to listen, dude, I don't want to. I don't want to take 1600 02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:12.239 things out of context. Brother, are you according this conversation? No wires? 1601 02:02:12.319 --> 02:02:14.319 Dude? Can you stand up? Give me a three sixty one time? 1602 02:02:14.359 --> 02:02:15.920 Can you? Can you give me a favorite? Brother? Can you 1603 02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:17.000 please lift your shirt up? Dude? I want to see make sure you're 1604 02:02:17.039 --> 02:02:19.800 not not wired? Brother? All right, I'm sat. You have an 1605 02:02:19.840 --> 02:02:21.920 ear a piece in your ear? What? All right? Brother, I'm 1606 02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:24.920 satisfied. Dude, sit down. What are you want to talk about? 1607 02:02:25.479 --> 02:02:27.439 You have a piece in your ear? Dude? Do you have a piece 1608 02:02:27.560 --> 02:02:30.479 in your ear? Oh? I have a piece in the safe at home, 1609 02:02:31.079 --> 02:02:33.479 just like you. If it's not in the glove box and you're going 1610 02:02:33.520 --> 02:02:38.079 to get more fat? Oh? How do you have a piece at home? 1611 02:02:38.159 --> 02:02:41.720 Brother? Are you watching me? Dude? Mister Bala, I just 1612 02:02:41.840 --> 02:02:47.880 thought it appropriate to ask you face to face as a long islander. I 1613 02:02:48.039 --> 02:02:54.079 thought I owed you the courtesy of asking your permission to date your daughter. 1614 02:02:57.880 --> 02:03:06.560 M brother turns in his chair like James conn when he decides to bring in 1615 02:03:06.640 --> 02:03:14.479 Miles Finch. I like it, you know, dude, I'm digging that. 1616 02:03:14.560 --> 02:03:19.680 Brother. I think that'd be okay, dude, that's all. It's 1617 02:03:19.680 --> 02:03:27.439 gonna take Really, this is amazing. Hold on, dude, hold on, 1618 02:03:28.159 --> 02:03:31.560 we're not you know, we're not talking turkey yet. Brother. You 1619 02:03:31.600 --> 02:03:36.239 know, I want to understand exactly what it is that is your motivation, 1620 02:03:36.359 --> 02:03:41.000 brother, Because here's the thing, Dude, this is what I'm wondering. 1621 02:03:41.079 --> 02:03:46.960 Brother. Who else you've been talking to about this? You've been talking to 1622 02:03:47.039 --> 02:03:53.159 relatives? Brother, you talk to Linda, Dude talking talking to the clearedge 1623 02:03:53.199 --> 02:03:55.720 side of the family. Dude. Because I've seen some phone records brother that 1624 02:03:56.039 --> 02:03:58.760 I think you're I'm gonna tell you, brother, I actually have access to 1625 02:03:58.840 --> 02:04:01.920 your phone record. Had Joe Parks look into it? All right? I've 1626 02:04:01.920 --> 02:04:06.119 actually been reading your phone records and transcripts of phone conversations from your household. 1627 02:04:06.159 --> 02:04:10.680 Who else have you asked for permission to date my daughter? I know I 1628 02:04:10.840 --> 02:04:14.039 know who you've been talking to. Dude. I want you to tell me 1629 02:04:14.119 --> 02:04:16.359 the truth. This is your opportunity, brother, to come clean and let 1630 02:04:16.439 --> 02:04:19.760 me know who you've been talking to. OK. I gotta respect your diligence. 1631 02:04:20.560 --> 02:04:24.399 I have talked to you to your ex wife a little bit about it. 1632 02:04:24.479 --> 02:04:28.279 I thought I owed her the courtesy as well, and I told her. 1633 02:04:28.560 --> 02:04:31.840 You know that I thought, uh, I would be a great boyfriend 1634 02:04:31.920 --> 02:04:41.680 to her, to Linda. Brother, oh whoa wow. Now that's not 1635 02:04:41.760 --> 02:04:44.479 what I meant at all. Brother, Well do I want First of all, 1636 02:04:44.840 --> 02:04:47.439 we gotta take a moment. We gotta come whoa brother, We gotta 1637 02:04:47.479 --> 02:04:51.439 get this thing back on track. Dude. What I'm sensing right now, 1638 02:04:51.560 --> 02:04:57.199 Brother, I'm sensing a lot of confusion. Brother. You know what, 1639 02:04:57.399 --> 02:05:01.239 dudeen of this hide the ball? Oh Brother, I'm gonna tell you right 1640 02:05:01.359 --> 02:05:04.439 now is dude, I'm sick and tired of you playing hide the ball with 1641 02:05:04.600 --> 02:05:09.720 me. Brother, all right, I'm sick and tired of you, you 1642 02:05:09.800 --> 02:05:15.359 know, fucking riding the kangaroo, madam, fucking riding the kangaroo. Not 1643 02:05:15.520 --> 02:05:21.079 just riding the kangaroo, fucking riding the kangaroo. Awesome, the same my 1644 02:05:21.159 --> 02:05:27.119 first rodeo. Dude. It's time for you and me to stop taking down 1645 02:05:27.199 --> 02:05:33.760 the scaffolding. Brother. It's time for you and me to get back on 1646 02:05:33.840 --> 02:05:36.319 the ladder, brother, and figure out what the fuck is going on? 1647 02:05:36.479 --> 02:05:41.079 Dude. Wells, mister Blair, I was in the middle of disclosing to 1648 02:05:41.119 --> 02:05:45.640 you all of the people I've been talking to Whoa Whoa Beck's wife Linda. 1649 02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:51.119 I thought I needed her blessing as well. And I also talked to your 1650 02:05:51.199 --> 02:05:57.560 brother in law about it, and I think I've convinced them that I deserve 1651 02:05:57.640 --> 02:06:00.880 a shot at treating your daughter the right way. Hold On, dude, 1652 02:06:00.319 --> 02:06:03.279 I asked, let me, let me ask you, Terry. I mean, 1653 02:06:03.319 --> 02:06:08.119 you started right away, and there was a Boston you started right away, 1654 02:06:08.560 --> 02:06:11.319 uh, telling me that you were cool with it, you liked it. 1655 02:06:11.960 --> 02:06:15.159 I'd like to lean more into that. Brother. No, I never 1656 02:06:15.239 --> 02:06:18.000 said that, dude. I never saw brother. I never said I was 1657 02:06:18.039 --> 02:06:23.319 digging the creative brother. I never said I was. Brother. See, 1658 02:06:23.359 --> 02:06:27.920 you're twisting my words. I never said anything of the sort. Dude. 1659 02:06:28.079 --> 02:06:30.880 You come in here, brother, and you started accusing me of things, 1660 02:06:30.960 --> 02:06:39.319 dude, accusing you of holding you back. Man, bro, brother, 1661 02:06:39.399 --> 02:06:41.960 I mean you're putting words in my mouth. Dude. What else you're gonna 1662 02:06:41.960 --> 02:06:50.279 put in my mouth? Dude? Your cock? Whoa? Old on? 1663 02:06:54.720 --> 02:07:09.840 Hold on? Whoa? All right? Everybody positions please? What we got 1664 02:07:09.880 --> 02:07:17.680 an awful lot to talk about here? Okay, I want you to know 1665 02:07:17.840 --> 02:07:24.039 something boss here on TNH. I set the hook. I did. I'll 1666 02:07:24.079 --> 02:07:27.680 admit it. Sometimes I do this. It's it's it's what they call stick, 1667 02:07:28.079 --> 02:07:30.560 right. I told myself, well, you know, if I set 1668 02:07:30.640 --> 02:07:38.119 the hook of I'll say that you're putting words in my mouth. What's the 1669 02:07:38.159 --> 02:07:41.039 next thing you're gonna put it? I thought you were gonna say, put 1670 02:07:41.119 --> 02:07:43.920 your hand between my legs and roll me up, brother, Like something very 1671 02:07:45.960 --> 02:07:49.319 something that tracks with the history, something that one could reasonably expect, much 1672 02:07:49.359 --> 02:07:56.159 like an AI rite machine learning that's been trained on laps episodes past. But 1673 02:07:56.319 --> 02:08:09.279 instead the entire tenor of this meeting changes. What Hulk says the following you 1674 02:08:09.399 --> 02:08:13.199 put words in my mouth, brother, what else you gonna put in my 1675 02:08:13.319 --> 02:08:28.159 mouth? Food? Your cock? As in, that is something that Hulk 1676 02:08:28.680 --> 02:08:37.039 would have no agency in deciding if it comes to pass, as if that's 1677 02:08:37.079 --> 02:08:43.600 something that can be done to him without his buy in. Dare I say 1678 02:08:45.079 --> 02:08:52.000 it contains a suggestion of if you'd want to do that, I'd be down 1679 02:08:54.960 --> 02:08:58.880 because what Linda has said about me and Brute I might not necessarily be inaccurate. 1680 02:09:00.039 --> 02:09:11.279 Oh my god, tnh tnh tn Oh god, uh no, oh, 1681 02:09:11.479 --> 02:09:15.319 not not at all. I did not plan on putting my cock in 1682 02:09:15.359 --> 02:09:18.640 your mouth at all. Oh, I'm not seeing you planned it, brother, 1683 02:09:18.720 --> 02:09:22.359 I'm saying, is that what's gonna happen next? Dude? Where are 1684 02:09:22.399 --> 02:09:28.359 you going? Brother? Finding that this chair wheels its way to towards the 1685 02:09:28.439 --> 02:09:33.039 door all by itself, Derry, But we gotta talk turkey, dude. 1686 02:09:33.439 --> 02:09:35.560 What the fuck is going on? Brother? Why are you here? Dude? 1687 02:09:35.560 --> 02:09:37.479 You know what? I gotta get ready for my match, Terry. 1688 02:09:37.600 --> 02:09:39.920 We can take a rain check on this, just sleep on it. I 1689 02:09:41.520 --> 02:09:43.079 don't mean a rain check, man, I gotta get ready. He leaves. 1690 02:09:43.199 --> 02:09:46.520 What are you checking on in the rain? Three minutes later, Brooke 1691 02:09:46.560 --> 02:09:48.079 Tiny's cell phone rings somewhere else on the lot. No, no, no, 1692 02:09:48.439 --> 02:10:00.640 no, I don't know about uh Hi, daddy, what's going on 1693 02:10:00.760 --> 02:10:03.199 with that fucking bully ray? Brother? What are you doing to him? 1694 02:10:03.279 --> 02:10:07.000 You putting cox in mouth? Deep? All right? What's going on with 1695 02:10:07.079 --> 02:10:09.319 that bully ray? Brother? What are you doing? Are you putting cox 1696 02:10:09.399 --> 02:10:16.680 in mouth? What? Daddy? What are you okay? Well? I'm 1697 02:10:16.720 --> 02:10:18.159 not okay. I thought I was doing fine, but all of a sudden 1698 02:10:18.199 --> 02:10:22.079 I get thrown way off track. Brother Mark comes in here and says he's 1699 02:10:22.079 --> 02:10:28.239 gonna put his cock in my mouth, dude, And you know what am 1700 02:10:28.239 --> 02:10:33.079 I supposed to do? I sucked it. Brother, I mean what brother? 1701 02:10:33.159 --> 02:10:37.680 He saister? Brother? What am I supposed to do? Brother? 1702 02:10:39.960 --> 02:10:46.439 He's a bully dude, He's Bully Ray brother off of Bully dude. What's 1703 02:10:46.439 --> 02:10:50.520 going on? Brother? Where am I? Dude? I think you were 1704 02:10:50.560 --> 02:11:00.359 about three paragraphs into this article from Newsday boss at last check. Oh yeah, 1705 02:11:03.079 --> 02:11:07.560 it never goes right. This all came from. This all came from 1706 02:11:07.960 --> 02:11:16.720 I had this McMahon all over my house every day. That's TLF the heart, 1707 02:11:16.840 --> 02:11:24.319 It's so of TLF. Pretty soon Bully standing on Hulk's desk, trousers 1708 02:11:24.359 --> 02:11:35.039 down his ankle and gorged. I heard the phone calls. I went to 1709 02:11:35.119 --> 02:11:39.800 the matches, I saw the business meetings. I saw everything. Did not 1710 02:11:41.359 --> 02:11:43.239 so what people didn't think. I don't know. I actually do know, 1711 02:11:43.800 --> 02:11:48.319 and it's second nature to me. Hogan thinks there's no coincidence that in the 1712 02:11:48.439 --> 02:11:52.439 case of both her father and McMahon, it was their daughters and not their 1713 02:11:52.479 --> 02:11:58.079 sons that showed a greater aptitude for and interest in the wrestling business. Quote 1714 02:11:58.359 --> 02:12:03.520 in such a name old story of girls being daddy's girls. I think being 1715 02:12:03.600 --> 02:12:07.319 the girl of such a huge father figure, you want to be that tomboy 1716 02:12:07.760 --> 02:12:13.039 because you are so close to your dad, and Hogan predicts she may follow 1717 02:12:13.119 --> 02:12:16.479 in her father's footsteps even further. The six foot one Hogan noted that quote, 1718 02:12:16.960 --> 02:12:20.439 you don't grow up with whole Cogan as your dad and not learn a 1719 02:12:20.560 --> 02:12:24.880 few moves, and said she'd love to one day have her father stand in 1720 02:12:24.960 --> 02:12:28.880 her corner during a match. A bridge you never crossed, you never wow. 1721 02:12:28.000 --> 02:12:33.319 Yeah. Match. But if she ever does transition into a career in 1722 02:12:33.439 --> 02:12:35.720 the ring, she said, she'll be more careful than her dad was when 1723 02:12:35.800 --> 02:12:39.840 he began his wrestling career. Quote, you have to remember that you've got 1724 02:12:39.920 --> 02:12:43.279 to be smart when you're throwing your body around. My dad was twenty three, 1725 02:12:43.399 --> 02:12:48.039 twenty four years old with tons of testosterone in a drone. Brother, 1726 02:12:48.079 --> 02:12:54.319 we talk tons of synthetic testoster o. Brother, brother, are you talking 1727 02:12:54.439 --> 02:13:00.439 tons of are you adding me? Are you outing me? You do as 1728 02:13:00.479 --> 02:13:03.399 a steroid user? Brother. Imagine if the author took the liberty she says 1729 02:13:03.800 --> 02:13:07.840 my dad was twenty three, twenty four years old with tons of testosterone and 1730 02:13:07.840 --> 02:13:11.600 adrenaline, just going buck wild, and the author puts in parenthesis as if 1731 02:13:11.960 --> 02:13:24.079 Brooke meant to say exogynists testosterone and as well as annavar and yeah, he 1732 02:13:24.159 --> 02:13:35.000 puts it all in one in one bracketts testosterone open bracket aka Annavar aka winstrol 1733 02:13:35.119 --> 02:13:45.279 Akaa androlone. Oh my god, God, Diana Ball aka aka hide the 1734 02:13:45.319 --> 02:13:54.199 Ball, Brother, Diana the ball now playing Diana the Ball, Hide the 1735 02:13:54.319 --> 02:14:00.279 ball, Eat the ball, meat balls, brother, what the fun is 1736 02:14:00.319 --> 02:14:03.039 going on? Dude, eat the ball, Meet the ball? You know, 1737 02:14:03.199 --> 02:14:07.399 Diana the ball sounds like a fucking my grandmother. Meet the ball, 1738 02:14:09.560 --> 02:14:16.159 Davey boy Smith Diane at the ball right. Uh, I'm just like going 1739 02:14:16.319 --> 02:14:20.680 buck Wild, whose dad fifty nine, has endured multiple back surgeries and lives 1740 02:14:20.680 --> 02:14:31.800 with constant ah. So sad. Brother. Oh dude, Oh, it's 1741 02:14:31.840 --> 02:14:33.880 gonna be easy to want to get to brother. I can't make that. 1742 02:14:33.520 --> 02:14:35.600 The gate doesn't look good enough. I'm not gonna be able to make that 1743 02:14:35.720 --> 02:14:48.439 one. Oh God. The walrus rises from his Tampa back. Hogan's tan 1744 02:14:48.600 --> 02:14:52.880 skin on white shoots. Oh god, and there's like oil left over. 1745 02:14:56.279 --> 02:15:03.800 It's like breezy. It was like it like you know when he gets like 1746 02:15:03.039 --> 02:15:11.079 sticks to the you know, h it's like that that dry coldness because the 1747 02:15:11.159 --> 02:15:13.760 ACMs cranked to a thousand in Florida. And you hear and you hear that 1748 02:15:16.800 --> 02:15:24.079 because this flesh leaves pulls from the fucking bed. Ferfet do that again? 1749 02:15:31.359 --> 02:15:41.880 Oh so good, so good, Oh my god, it's so good. 1750 02:15:41.960 --> 02:15:48.640 Oh my god. Um uh, Now that I have, Now that I 1751 02:15:48.760 --> 02:15:52.359 have him watching out for me, he says, listen, you know when 1752 02:15:52.359 --> 02:15:54.840 you use leg drop or you take this body slam, you have to protect 1753 02:15:54.920 --> 02:16:00.439 yourself. He's making me think about what I'm doing more than just throw myself 1754 02:16:00.520 --> 02:16:05.560 out there and being a boy. What was she talking about? She's not 1755 02:16:05.680 --> 02:16:09.199 getting in the ring. Why giving her advice about a light drip? He's 1756 02:16:09.239 --> 02:16:11.319 willing to hint that she's thinking about it. I never saw her go down 1757 02:16:11.359 --> 02:16:16.399 this road before. Growing up and around wrestling performers also meant growing up with 1758 02:16:16.479 --> 02:16:22.760 their children, and Hogan remembers she vividly remembers hanging out with Eric Bischoff's son, 1759 02:16:22.279 --> 02:16:26.000 Garrett, now a TENA wrestler, when he was a snot nosed kid 1760 02:16:26.119 --> 02:16:31.960 who wore a backwards baseball cap. Quote. David Flair is a very close 1761 02:16:31.040 --> 02:16:35.719 friend of ours. I remember sitting there watching WrestleManias with him. Our moms 1762 02:16:35.760 --> 02:16:41.799 would right, Our moms would sit us down in front of the TV together 1763 02:16:41.920 --> 02:16:46.000 and we'd watch our dads get bloody. He was the one who would tell 1764 02:16:46.040 --> 02:16:52.479 me, don't worry, it's ketchup. It's ketchup, Hogan said. I 1765 02:16:52.680 --> 02:17:05.760 learned later that it wasn't ketchup, brother, ketch up dude, hip by 1766 02:17:05.920 --> 02:17:13.719 the hich up Dude. Hi the mustard brother, Memorial Day barbecue, dude, 1767 02:17:15.600 --> 02:17:20.680 Terry, I said, hold the mustard. Okay, what do you 1768 02:17:20.799 --> 02:17:24.639 hold the mustard? Why do you have me hold mustard? What do you 1769 02:17:24.680 --> 02:17:28.079 want, dude, mustard? Red and yellow brother? I mean, what 1770 02:17:28.239 --> 02:17:31.840 brother? Why? Why are you denying the red and yellow brother? Huh? 1771 02:17:33.040 --> 02:17:41.440 Who? Brook? Tiny say? It wasn't catch what he She must 1772 02:17:41.440 --> 02:17:45.399 be talking about watching w c W matches with David, because there's no way 1773 02:17:45.879 --> 02:17:50.600 she watched, Well, there's no Hogan Flair match at WrestleMania even watch never 1774 02:17:50.840 --> 02:17:54.920 was. Yeah, So she's like conflating the big the bigness of WrestleMania with 1775 02:17:54.959 --> 02:17:58.000 the fact these matches happen not in w W, which is just classic shit. 1776 02:17:58.559 --> 02:18:03.079 And it feels like it feels like wrestlers often do not know the actual 1777 02:18:03.079 --> 02:18:05.479 pay per views they wrestled on. It really doesn't. I mean you know, 1778 02:18:07.040 --> 02:18:09.360 it's easy to forget how many dates they work between television shoots all we 1779 02:18:09.520 --> 02:18:13.760 watch his fans or television shoots, but like to them worked like twenty matches 1780 02:18:13.799 --> 02:18:18.040 in a month. Like honestly, especially back then, and like the WrestleMania 1781 02:18:18.120 --> 02:18:22.600 one doesn't really stand out as much as you think it does because they're on 1782 02:18:22.639 --> 02:18:26.000 the road right away doing another one, and it's like, okay, yeah, 1783 02:18:26.000 --> 02:18:26.879 they meant a lot to a lot of people because it was on television 1784 02:18:26.920 --> 02:18:30.559 and it was a bigger arena and it was more brightly linked. But yeah, 1785 02:18:31.000 --> 02:18:33.440 when I when they think back to working Flair, it's like, I 1786 02:18:33.479 --> 02:18:37.520 don't know what when that happened. I just know what happened. So Brooke 1787 02:18:37.600 --> 02:18:41.079 isn't the only one k faving this wedding in the public. Hulk is on 1788 02:18:41.120 --> 02:18:48.799 Twitter this whole time, and they say, someone says on Twitter, I 1789 02:18:48.879 --> 02:18:50.000 think she says it, are you going to give brook away at her wedding? 1790 02:18:50.040 --> 02:18:54.799 Can't believe she's going to marry? Someone tweets this and Hult comes back 1791 02:18:54.920 --> 02:19:01.000 with no way, gag me. He writes, hh please and he tags 1792 02:19:01.799 --> 02:19:05.040 Brooks account on it. So he's like playing up the idea that he's which 1793 02:19:05.159 --> 02:19:07.680 is the storyline, that he's not in favor of this wedding and he's not 1794 02:19:07.760 --> 02:19:11.440 going to walk her down the aisle. That's the big reveal, right, 1795 02:19:11.479 --> 02:19:15.360 as he actually does walk her down the aisle, and he does ultimately do 1796 02:19:15.440 --> 02:19:20.840 the right thing by his daughter despite his reservations about Bully. And I just 1797 02:19:20.920 --> 02:19:24.120 think it's good. It's it's very satisfying to note that Brooke Hogan has since 1798 02:19:24.639 --> 02:19:30.600 deleted this exchange from her Twitter history wow, wherein she's cafaving the wedding and 1799 02:19:30.959 --> 02:19:35.600 Hulk is saying things like he would rather be gagged than walk her down the 1800 02:19:35.639 --> 02:19:39.959 aisle to Mary Bully. Wow. Now also watching all of this play out 1801 02:19:41.479 --> 02:19:50.319 is oh god, oh we learn here in this clip would be referred to 1802 02:19:52.079 --> 02:19:58.159 I Brook is uncle Bubba. Well, first of all, welcome, Yeah, 1803 02:19:58.280 --> 02:20:00.879 First of all, guys, there were several a minute so callous. 1804 02:20:01.319 --> 02:20:09.000 Sorry, that's an old one. Brother. I go over to Hogan's house. 1805 02:20:09.040 --> 02:20:13.479 I tell him this news. He's real mad and Linda's mad, and 1806 02:20:13.600 --> 02:20:18.399 so Hogan goes, well, we need to get rid of Perlman. And 1807 02:20:18.559 --> 02:20:22.760 I was in Hogan's office and he said, you call him up and fire 1808 02:20:22.840 --> 02:20:26.440 him for me. And I Luke Pearlman's dead. Now he died somewhere recently, 1809 02:20:26.559 --> 02:20:30.799 right, he died in prison, but uh yeah, he died in 1810 02:20:30.879 --> 02:20:33.399 prison. But I had to call Lou Pearlman up and I said, hey, 1811 02:20:33.479 --> 02:20:35.840 Lou, it's baba. And he goes, oh, hey, bubba. 1812 02:20:35.959 --> 02:20:39.399 You know, well, I'm doing pretty good. But I got I 1813 02:20:39.479 --> 02:20:43.200 got Terry and Linda here, and they would They said, uh, hi, 1814 02:20:43.319 --> 02:20:46.840 Lou, tah listen. Um, they're not interested in, uh, 1815 02:20:46.040 --> 02:20:50.879 you know, Brooke being part of your stable anymore. And they're firing you. 1816 02:20:50.680 --> 02:20:54.360 And he goes, Terry, Linda's not true. Hogan goes true, 1817 02:20:54.440 --> 02:21:00.040 Brother, I fired. I fired Lou Pearlman. And if they would have 1818 02:21:00.159 --> 02:21:03.799 gone to the country route then instead of I think they went with m Stacks 1819 02:21:05.840 --> 02:21:13.319 and like, yeah, soby records Paul wall Stacks. And she went and 1820 02:21:13.399 --> 02:21:20.680 got a grill. Remember she went got a grill. Yeah, and Mark 1821 02:21:20.799 --> 02:21:24.680 Chase, God bless Mark Chase. Mark Chase told me like in two like 1822 02:21:24.079 --> 02:21:28.319 O two oh three. Hey, dude, I'm telling you right now, 1823 02:21:28.399 --> 02:21:33.200 man, country would eat her up. They would go crazy over her. 1824 02:21:33.760 --> 02:21:37.799 That that stuff she's doing now, Man, Diama doesn't remember we doing that. 1825 02:21:37.040 --> 02:21:39.600 We said that back in the day. Yeah privately, I mean just 1826 02:21:39.760 --> 02:21:46.920 yeah, so you should have done no well, and I think she could 1827 02:21:46.959 --> 02:21:50.559 still do it. I think so too. I mean country didn't care. 1828 02:21:50.719 --> 02:21:52.239 No, I don't care about the age, I don't care. Still hot, 1829 02:21:52.959 --> 02:21:58.280 No, still you're still hot. I mean I think by today's standards, 1830 02:21:58.319 --> 02:22:05.239 she's still really sexy. Uncle Bubba, so weird. So that's just 1831 02:22:05.319 --> 02:22:11.200 too illustrate that he played no small part in apparently these formative years where Brooke 1832 02:22:11.280 --> 02:22:13.520 is trying to make it in music and signs with Lou Pearlman, who, 1833 02:22:13.559 --> 02:22:16.280 if you don't know, was like, you know, the mastermind behind a 1834 02:22:16.360 --> 02:22:20.799 lot of huge number one hit boy band acts like in Sync and stuff like 1835 02:22:20.920 --> 02:22:26.799 that, and had a real sort of disturbing beat on you know, the 1836 02:22:26.920 --> 02:22:31.879 teenage want and need and was able to market acts very successfully to that audience 1837 02:22:33.360 --> 02:22:37.120 and you know, younger girls basically, and the idea that he would push 1838 02:22:37.159 --> 02:22:39.959 her into a pop category you know, kind of like Britney Spears and you 1839 02:22:41.079 --> 02:22:43.799 hear her basically you're trying to sound like Britney Spears and a lot of earlier 1840 02:22:43.920 --> 02:22:48.040 music. The result of guiding Lou Pearlman, according to Bubba, those clips 1841 02:22:48.079 --> 02:22:50.559 there from his more recent radio shows that he's doing, you'd see them on 1842 02:22:50.639 --> 02:22:54.200 YouTube now, maybe at a cost I think, he said of thirty six 1843 02:22:54.319 --> 02:22:56.719 grand a month. Hul Coogan was paying lou Pearlman to guide Brooks's career early 1844 02:22:56.799 --> 02:23:01.360 on Wow and Linda, and her book talks about the wife clearly believing in 1845 02:23:01.440 --> 02:23:07.520 Perlman and sort of being disenchanted with the fact that there was going to be 1846 02:23:07.760 --> 02:23:11.040 a separation from the guidance of Luke Perlman and her daughter's career. She was 1847 02:23:11.159 --> 02:23:16.799 very hands on and dissatisfied with Perlman anyway. But sort of like Hogan start, 1848 02:23:16.959 --> 02:23:20.760 Hulk starts to steer brooks music career sort of totally on his own and 1849 02:23:20.879 --> 02:23:24.840 in a direction. And this is what gets him in trouble because it's this, 1850 02:23:24.440 --> 02:23:28.799 it's pushing her into the hip hop category and sort of going down the 1851 02:23:28.879 --> 02:23:33.319 Soby Records R and B route. That gets him making those fucking awful comments 1852 02:23:33.479 --> 02:23:37.600 in the bedroom with Heather clem on those surreptitians who recorded victags. It's all 1853 02:23:37.639 --> 02:23:41.600 about the disenchantment with like the R and B and rap in black music world 1854 02:23:41.719 --> 02:23:46.200 that Brooke finds herself trafficking in and dating this guy and shit, I mean 1855 02:23:46.239 --> 02:23:50.639 it's like all that stuff. It's a Bubba is involved. Bubba's Bubb's on 1856 02:23:50.680 --> 02:23:56.079 the calls, if you believe him. They're like licensing Bubba to speak for 1857 02:23:56.120 --> 02:24:00.799 the family, and she calls him uncle Bubba. Wow. And here we 1858 02:24:00.879 --> 02:24:05.319 are, all these years later, and all of the all the things, 1859 02:24:05.440 --> 02:24:09.559 the materials that resulted as from that whole coken Bubba, the love sponge relationship, 1860 02:24:09.600 --> 02:24:13.479 even as it relates to his daughter's career, they're all now proving to 1861 02:24:13.559 --> 02:24:16.559 be like so ruinous. So it's not just Bubba filming whole coke and having 1862 02:24:16.600 --> 02:24:24.879 sex. It's Bubba's entire sort of weaving into the ballet of family right in 1863 02:24:24.959 --> 02:24:28.879 a way that kind of leaves everybody, Um, you know the victim of 1864 02:24:28.959 --> 02:24:35.399 the us just collateral damage. I mean, there's just there's you know, 1865 02:24:35.479 --> 02:24:41.879 there's there's shell there there's a shelling going on here, and there's a there's 1866 02:24:41.879 --> 02:24:45.200 a lot of what's the what's the term for when the bullet fragments sprail over 1867 02:24:45.280 --> 02:24:50.520 the place and you take you take that um oh, I can't think of 1868 02:24:50.559 --> 02:24:54.079 it. And we're talking about that, know what it is? So the 1869 02:24:54.120 --> 02:25:00.879 shrapnel, Yeah, Essentially UM is reaching far and wide. Uh So back 1870 02:25:00.920 --> 02:25:03.959 to Eric and Bully, Eric Bischoff and Bully Um. Bully wants nothing to 1871 02:25:05.040 --> 02:25:09.079 do with it. And in this clip, Eric talks about putting Bully in 1872 02:25:09.120 --> 02:25:13.760 a position to walk right into Brooke's life, who we've been talking about. 1873 02:25:16.319 --> 02:25:18.840 That was a little don't get me wrong. I don't want to give you 1874 02:25:18.840 --> 02:25:20.280 the impression it was a tough sell. It was not a tough sell, 1875 02:25:22.000 --> 02:25:26.920 but it was a tough situation. Is that. Uh, that's that's him 1876 02:25:26.959 --> 02:25:31.040 talking about whether Hogan believed in it. Yeah, apologies for that. I 1877 02:25:31.120 --> 02:25:35.600 thought I had UM. I didn't think I'd played that yet. So that's 1878 02:25:35.760 --> 02:25:41.360 uh, that's the explanation on how it comes together now. Bully says on 1879 02:25:41.399 --> 02:25:45.920 the podcast that it was basically Jason Hervey who first floated the suggestion that he 1880 02:25:46.000 --> 02:25:48.440 actually linked up with Brooke. The way Bully was telling the story, there 1881 02:25:48.440 --> 02:25:52.120 would be something involving him as he turned stronger heel and a knockout. Yeah, 1882 02:25:52.399 --> 02:25:56.760 there'd be something going on with one of the female wrestlers on the roster 1883 02:25:56.879 --> 02:26:00.399 to play this this this heel character up. And it was Jason Hervey who 1884 02:26:00.399 --> 02:26:03.760 suggested, what about Brooke, And I'm here to suggest that Jason Hervey didn't 1885 02:26:03.760 --> 02:26:07.840 just pull that out of the sky, Like why don't you date the daughter 1886 02:26:07.920 --> 02:26:11.159 of the most famous wrestler of all time. Why don't you involve yourself as 1887 02:26:11.239 --> 02:26:15.200 the very first wrestler to have anything to do with Brook Hogan from a storyline 1888 02:26:15.200 --> 02:26:18.840 perspective on wrestling television. Now, in fact, you're already going out with 1889 02:26:18.959 --> 02:26:22.680 her, You're already you've already gotten Hogan's blessing to data. Now we can 1890 02:26:22.719 --> 02:26:28.280 do business and that that's kind of that's kind of think the extra bit of 1891 02:26:28.360 --> 02:26:33.000 context that isn't so much spoken to when but yeah, he says he was 1892 02:26:33.040 --> 02:26:35.079 having a meeting. He even like for some reason, you know, when 1893 02:26:35.079 --> 02:26:39.200 wrestlers get add the specific about where, you wonder why he's oddly specific about 1894 02:26:39.280 --> 02:26:41.879 like the hotel in Orlando where they were having the meeting when Jason Hervey made 1895 02:26:41.920 --> 02:26:48.719 the suggestion that it be Brooke Hogan and they go from there. As for 1896 02:26:48.319 --> 02:26:52.479 Bully, I mean, he told Chris Jericho when he was on his podcast 1897 02:26:52.559 --> 02:26:54.719 he wanted to do three things when he was a kid. Be a pro 1898 02:26:54.840 --> 02:27:00.280 wrestler, be a rock star, and a porn star. Okay, uh 1899 02:27:01.719 --> 02:27:07.479 uh wow ho new layer to your aforementioned I guess so visual depiction that bully 1900 02:27:07.559 --> 02:27:13.600 crossing or the threshold of of of of orgasm. You wanted to be a 1901 02:27:13.719 --> 02:27:16.879 porn store and he actually dabbled a bit in an adult film, not as 1902 02:27:16.920 --> 02:27:20.200 an actor but as like an a producer of capacity. Um you know because 1903 02:27:20.280 --> 02:27:24.200 Rob Rob Black, the porn provocateur who ran XPW. Yeah, yeah, 1904 02:27:26.239 --> 02:27:28.000 he sort of got involved with Rob Black, according to the story he said 1905 02:27:28.000 --> 02:27:33.559 on Jericho's podcast, and had something to do with a couple of porn shoots 1906 02:27:33.600 --> 02:27:37.079 there. So he got to scratch that itch. But that's who's uh, 1907 02:27:37.920 --> 02:27:43.959 that's who's looking for a way in on un old Brooke teeney um So Bully 1908 02:27:43.000 --> 02:27:48.280 and Hulk, and the question, I guess naturally becomes, you know, 1909 02:27:48.079 --> 02:27:52.600 was this building to Hulk Helgan versus Bully Ray? I mean that's the I 1910 02:27:52.680 --> 02:27:56.559 mean, yeah, that's what it seems like. That's the refrain from the 1911 02:27:56.680 --> 02:28:01.399 very beginning of TNH is. Yeah's doing all these things where it looks like 1912 02:28:01.440 --> 02:28:05.360 he's supporting cast to a storyline involving wrestlers. But when you actually think logically 1913 02:28:05.360 --> 02:28:09.479 about where this is heading, whether it's Abyss or Rick Flair, or Sting 1914 02:28:11.280 --> 02:28:13.680 or Matt Morgan or any of these other people that suddenly start getting pushes. 1915 02:28:16.040 --> 02:28:18.959 It's Hogan toying around with the idea of wrestling, and it's Hogan toying around 1916 02:28:18.959 --> 02:28:22.559 with the idea of being the ultimate destination for this wrestler who seems to be 1917 02:28:22.600 --> 02:28:26.239 building up a name in a storyline next to Hogan. When an actuality, 1918 02:28:26.280 --> 02:28:30.200 it's it's going to come down to Hogan waking up one day and deciding whether 1919 02:28:30.239 --> 02:28:33.399 he feels good enough to do an actual physical match. And so that's the 1920 02:28:33.479 --> 02:28:37.680 pattern that's setting in where it's like they've got a spot on a supercard for 1921 02:28:37.799 --> 02:28:41.760 Hogan to wrestle, but they can't commit to it until you know a certain 1922 02:28:41.840 --> 02:28:46.680 time out because of the uncertainty of Hohle Coogan's physical condition. He just can't 1923 02:28:46.719 --> 02:28:48.719 stop going under the knife. And addition all the back surgeries he had, 1924 02:28:48.719 --> 02:28:54.079 the hip surgery he talked about before the twenty twelve Pound for Glory taking him 1925 02:28:54.079 --> 02:28:56.959 out of consideration to wrestle on that show, despite teases that he may team 1926 02:28:58.000 --> 02:29:00.959 with Sting, And then they had the tease talk about when they go back 1927 02:29:00.959 --> 02:29:03.600 to London in early twenty and thirteen where they play Hulks music like he's going 1928 02:29:03.680 --> 02:29:07.479 to wrestle on Impact, but he never comes out. It's so crazy, 1929 02:29:07.959 --> 02:29:11.879 And he undergoes a knee operation right around this time that sort of ices him 1930 02:29:11.879 --> 02:29:16.360 again from potentially wrestling. You know, Bischof's talked in his podcast about how 1931 02:29:16.479 --> 02:29:20.120 they'd have plans for Hogan to do a match, and then you know, 1932 02:29:20.159 --> 02:29:22.600 Holk would have to sort of put his finger to the wind and decide whether 1933 02:29:22.639 --> 02:29:26.479 he felt physically capable of doing it. And staying in bound for Glory twenty 1934 02:29:26.520 --> 02:29:30.319 eleven really seems to be the only time he actually gave the thumbs up to 1935 02:29:30.399 --> 02:29:33.520 going ahead and doing it post a spinal fusion surgery. I do have to 1936 02:29:33.600 --> 02:29:37.600 put my skeptics hat on a little bit and think to myself, like, 1937 02:29:37.040 --> 02:29:41.319 Hogan leaves the door open if he feels like something catches right, and we'll 1938 02:29:41.399 --> 02:29:46.520 do the kind of crowd befitting his return. You know, he doesn't want 1939 02:29:46.559 --> 02:29:50.760 to return on a show where he can't claim an outsized house for TNA. 1940 02:29:50.200 --> 02:29:54.319 He doesn't want to return if the storyline doesn't feel to his gage of things, 1941 02:29:54.399 --> 02:29:56.520 and if the television ratings don't indicate the run to something big that he 1942 02:29:56.559 --> 02:30:01.280 can ride the wave of as he yes. Just as important is how it 1943 02:30:01.319 --> 02:30:03.479 helps back fields when he wakes up a month out from the show as to 1944 02:30:03.520 --> 02:30:07.799 whether he doesn't matches, whether he feels like the match is going to reflect 1945 02:30:07.879 --> 02:30:13.280 positively on his remaining drawing power in the business. So this is sort of 1946 02:30:13.559 --> 02:30:20.440 the background. So well, we'll go here to Bischoff talking on his podcast 1947 02:30:20.520 --> 02:30:26.559 about whether Hogan versus Bully was ever on the drawing board, and you can 1948 02:30:26.639 --> 02:30:30.239 hear in Bully's voice here, I would, I would submit a lot of 1949 02:30:30.319 --> 02:30:33.079 hoping and wishing. You can tell he was led to believe along the way 1950 02:30:35.360 --> 02:30:37.680 that this was a possibility that just didn't materialize. Yeah. No, the 1951 02:30:39.799 --> 02:30:43.000 desire was definitely there, and we were working towards that because every week, 1952 02:30:43.680 --> 02:30:46.000 you know, one week could be Brother. I think I can pull this 1953 02:30:46.159 --> 02:30:48.719 off, and the next week could be Brother. I don't know. I 1954 02:30:48.760 --> 02:30:52.520 don't know, I don't know if we can make this happen. But it 1955 02:30:52.719 --> 02:30:56.280 was literally on again, off again with him, and not because he didn't 1956 02:30:56.280 --> 02:30:58.520 want to or he lost heart in the idea. It's just because he was 1957 02:30:58.680 --> 02:31:01.399 you know, the injuries and the issues that he was dealing with, but 1958 02:31:01.479 --> 02:31:05.840 he wanted that so bad, and we were definitely working towards that. Eric. 1959 02:31:05.920 --> 02:31:09.200 I don't know if you know this, but he actually pulled me in 1960 02:31:09.239 --> 02:31:11.319 a room one day and he sat me down and he said, all right, 1961 02:31:11.440 --> 02:31:16.239 listen, here's how we're going to do the match. He actually laid 1962 02:31:16.319 --> 02:31:20.079 the match out to me. He says, I got five or six minutes 1963 02:31:20.360 --> 02:31:22.559 in me. He goes, as soon as I come underneath the bottom rope, 1964 02:31:22.600 --> 02:31:26.840 you get right on me heat until it's time for me to come up, 1965 02:31:28.000 --> 02:31:30.959 and I'll just blow the comeback and you hit him with the big boot. 1966 02:31:31.479 --> 02:31:37.319 And because Hulk was who Hulk is who he is, But at that 1967 02:31:37.520 --> 02:31:41.239 time, people felt a lot of sympathy for Hulk because of what I was 1968 02:31:41.360 --> 02:31:43.440 doing to him and his family. I had all the heat in the world. 1969 02:31:43.719 --> 02:31:50.360 We could have pulled off a typical five minute Hulk Hogan special and had 1970 02:31:50.399 --> 02:31:54.920 the place going crazy because the characters were exactly where they needed to be. 1971 02:31:56.280 --> 02:32:00.399 And since I had already screwed over Sting and screwed over Brook and screwed over 1972 02:32:00.399 --> 02:32:03.040 a Hulk and just about the whole company, it would have been amazing business. 1973 02:32:03.159 --> 02:32:09.040 So yeah, we had even spoke about the match, and yeh, 1974 02:32:09.639 --> 02:32:15.159 I wish you could have happened, but whatever, Yeah, okay, whatever, 1975 02:32:15.799 --> 02:32:18.440 yeah whatever. Yeah, he got over it clearly. I don't know, 1976 02:32:18.520 --> 02:32:22.079 Bully. I think when Push came to shove the Holzer didn't think it 1977 02:32:22.120 --> 02:32:26.079 was worth getting in there for it. But you notice how Holk immediately puts 1978 02:32:26.120 --> 02:32:28.520 a stake in the ground, like, Yeah, if we're gonna do it, 1979 02:32:28.639 --> 02:32:31.760 this is exactly how it's going. It's what we should do, brother, 1980 02:32:31.879 --> 02:32:33.280 this is kind of how we have to get this thing going. Terry 1981 02:32:33.319 --> 02:32:35.159 had another thought. I mean, what if we could extend this thing. 1982 02:32:35.479 --> 02:32:37.479 B They're not a good idea, Dude, that's not a good idea. 1983 02:32:39.479 --> 02:32:41.799 You haven't heard my idea yet. Brother. I'm just telling you you. 1984 02:32:41.120 --> 02:32:43.600 I've heard your idea. I don't think it's haven't. I just came up 1985 02:32:43.600 --> 02:32:46.479 with it just now. Brother. I'm telling you, dude, I understand 1986 02:32:46.559 --> 02:32:50.680 that, I understand. What do you think I'm gonna been doing. I 1987 02:32:50.760 --> 02:32:52.959 don't need to tell you, dude. You know what you're gonna say. 1988 02:32:52.000 --> 02:32:56.040 I do, but I don't think what you're gonna say, brother. And 1989 02:32:56.120 --> 02:32:58.559 I'm telling you, dude, it's not gonna work. Brother, what isn't 1990 02:32:58.559 --> 02:33:03.360 gonna work. You want to talk about things, dude, and put out 1991 02:33:03.440 --> 02:33:07.479 ideas Brother that just are not in the in the right context of what TNA 1992 02:33:07.600 --> 02:33:11.120 is all about. I understand, but I would like you just so I 1993 02:33:11.200 --> 02:33:13.440 can be sure that what you're poo pooing is what I was actually about to 1994 02:33:13.479 --> 02:33:16.559 say, that you have an understanding of what I was about to say. 1995 02:33:16.639 --> 02:33:20.479 Brother. You want to play hide the ball? Absolutely not. I'm trying 1996 02:33:20.520 --> 02:33:22.600 to reveal. I don't want to play hide the ball. I'm trying to 1997 02:33:22.719 --> 02:33:24.239 play hide the I'm trying to reveal the ball. Right. I'm trying to 1998 02:33:24.360 --> 02:33:28.799 move beyond that, dude and get onto something a little more calm. It 1999 02:33:28.879 --> 02:33:31.120 seems to me like you're the one hide in the ball right now. I'm 2000 02:33:31.159 --> 02:33:35.760 not hide Brother. Where are you going with this? Dude? What's your 2001 02:33:35.760 --> 02:33:41.079 problem? I suggestion? Was that your suggestion? Brother? I heard your 2002 02:33:41.120 --> 02:33:43.360 suggestion. No, you didn't understand where you're coming from. Brother. I 2003 02:33:43.559 --> 02:33:48.360 understand I'm saying, dude, it's not gonna work. You said beat me 2004 02:33:48.399 --> 02:33:50.559 in six minutes, right, I roll? I never Brother. I said 2005 02:33:50.680 --> 02:33:54.959 things dude that you don't even know happen. Okay, I grant that too. 2006 02:33:56.040 --> 02:33:58.559 I mean that has something to do with this conversation. I grant that 2007 02:33:58.600 --> 02:34:01.239 you've said things I didn't know you said. That's fine, brother, I 2008 02:34:01.360 --> 02:34:05.680 have done so much shit, including drugs. I get it. But Terry, 2009 02:34:05.200 --> 02:34:09.879 here, I don't need to what instead of just blowing it off in 2010 02:34:09.959 --> 02:34:13.840 six minutes I want to do. Brother. Dude, you're here, your 2011 02:34:13.879 --> 02:34:16.399 brother, you keep you don't listen, Dude, I keep telling you, 2012 02:34:16.559 --> 02:34:22.479 brother, it's time to move on to it's time to stop playing hide the 2013 02:34:22.600 --> 02:34:28.479 Tamali's brother. Well, they're gone, they're not hitting, they're just gone. 2014 02:34:28.520 --> 02:34:31.079 Okay, Terry, I can tell you that. But no, my 2015 02:34:31.159 --> 02:34:33.440 thought was, you know, why don't we get three months of pay days 2016 02:34:33.440 --> 02:34:35.760 out of this thing we've got? You know these three pay per views? 2017 02:34:35.879 --> 02:34:39.840 Listen to that's what you're pay days, dude. I want to get three 2018 02:34:39.959 --> 02:34:45.799 years of padding. I want to move it on. I'm tired of playing 2019 02:34:45.920 --> 02:34:50.600 eat the tacol brother, I'm tired of playing stuff the burrito. Get brude. 2020 02:34:50.639 --> 02:34:58.040 We gotta move on, brother. Stop putting topics on the pizza pie. 2021 02:34:58.200 --> 02:35:03.120 Just find the way it is. Dude. We're fine with a plaine 2022 02:35:03.239 --> 02:35:07.440 cheese and TNA. Have you just said it. You want three years of 2023 02:35:07.479 --> 02:35:11.840 pay days out of this? Is that right? Brother? Dude? You're 2024 02:35:11.879 --> 02:35:13.360 putting words in my mouth again. Brother, this, by the way, 2025 02:35:13.440 --> 02:35:20.840 we'll take three years of pay days. But that's fine. So um, 2026 02:35:20.719 --> 02:35:24.000 look, so how can it not be true that instead of you just beaten 2027 02:35:24.079 --> 02:35:26.879 me right away, we extend this thing. Maybe. Look, we don't 2028 02:35:26.879 --> 02:35:30.200 have to do a really physical match the first time. How about I just 2029 02:35:30.280 --> 02:35:33.280 roll brother? I thought I fired Vince Russo? Dude? What the fuck 2030 02:35:33.440 --> 02:35:37.120 is going on? I'll say, characters and wrestling the same way when we 2031 02:35:37.159 --> 02:35:39.319 come from New York. It's just the way it goes. So look, 2032 02:35:41.079 --> 02:35:43.639 how about first way, I don't have to do a long match with you, 2033 02:35:43.799 --> 02:35:46.280 Terry, I don't even have to do anything. Really, how about 2034 02:35:46.280 --> 02:35:50.399 I just roll you up quick in the first match? Whoa dude? Whoa 2035 02:35:50.959 --> 02:35:56.200 brother? Let's hold the fucking business, dude. We're not opening the fucking 2036 02:35:56.360 --> 02:36:01.040 video cassette right now. Brother, I'm not even gonna what are you talking 2037 02:36:01.079 --> 02:36:05.360 about? Dude? How about why are you playing? Pull the shade over? 2038 02:36:05.239 --> 02:36:11.440 Brother? How about half a chance? Okay, how about half a 2039 02:36:11.559 --> 02:36:16.040 chance whatever that means? How about I make a counter proposal? Brother? 2040 02:36:16.319 --> 02:36:20.440 All Right, I see where you're going. Here's what I'm thinking. I'm 2041 02:36:20.520 --> 02:36:26.120 thinking, brother, instead of you three fist bootleg drop brother, and I 2042 02:36:26.239 --> 02:36:30.120 get my wind back brother, even oh, you canna let me beat you, 2043 02:36:30.280 --> 02:36:33.840 Dada the wind back brother? You beat me long ago, dude in 2044 02:36:33.920 --> 02:36:37.239 your fucking mind, Brother, and that's good enough for me, dude to 2045 02:36:37.440 --> 02:36:39.040 need a wind back brother. Brother. How about all right, how about 2046 02:36:39.079 --> 02:36:41.719 instead of you roll me up to beat me in the first match, we 2047 02:36:41.840 --> 02:36:46.760 do this instead, go ahead, said brother. How about dude? How 2048 02:36:46.799 --> 02:36:50.280 about this brother? Instid of you rolled me up and trying to beat me 2049 02:36:50.479 --> 02:36:54.000 dude in the first match? Brother, how about I come in and kill 2050 02:36:54.120 --> 02:36:58.120 you? How about that? Brother? How about I fucking lay you on 2051 02:36:58.239 --> 02:37:03.200 the ground, dude, and push your face and fucking stop on your face 2052 02:37:03.479 --> 02:37:05.920 until it either squishes or goes through the fucking match. Here's what I'm thinking, 2053 02:37:07.000 --> 02:37:09.719 Bubba, all right? Six match series, dude, Okay, Match 2054 02:37:09.799 --> 02:37:16.440 one? What's a finish well? Match one? Brother, I'll go over 2055 02:37:16.280 --> 02:37:20.959 pin you one two three two, Match two, I pin you one two 2056 02:37:20.079 --> 02:37:26.040 three, Match three, DQ, I win match four, count out, 2057 02:37:26.280 --> 02:37:33.440 I win match five, submission, I win match six, steel cage match, 2058 02:37:33.680 --> 02:37:37.079 and I fucking beat the shit out of you, brother, in two 2059 02:37:37.120 --> 02:37:41.760 minutes? How's that for? How is that for a longer program? Brother? 2060 02:37:41.040 --> 02:37:43.879 You like that? You like the way that sounds. That's three years 2061 02:37:43.920 --> 02:37:48.840 of fucking pay days for Hulk Hogan. Dude, Yeah, you better believe 2062 02:37:48.879 --> 02:37:50.799 those dcs and countouts. I'm looking like King and Con the whole time. 2063 02:37:50.920 --> 02:37:58.799 Bro, You're gonna kick me in the nuts. Dude, get just qualified 2064 02:37:58.920 --> 02:38:01.360 and I'm not gonna sell brother. Dude. You want to say, how 2065 02:38:01.399 --> 02:38:03.840 about right six match series? I beat every time? Brother? How does 2066 02:38:03.879 --> 02:38:09.399 that sound? How about I win every fucking time? Brother? But no, 2067 02:38:09.520 --> 02:38:13.559 and reality, Hulk was a lot more giving, according to Bully, 2068 02:38:18.000 --> 02:38:24.200 gave him these little tips about how do I how to be worthy of a 2069 02:38:24.280 --> 02:38:30.280 worthy foil to the Hulkster as this develops. This is from the Steve Austin 2070 02:38:30.360 --> 02:38:33.319 Broken Skull sessions that he did with Bully not too long ago. One of 2071 02:38:33.399 --> 02:38:37.959 the one of the biggest learning experiences I had from Hulk, and I will 2072 02:38:37.360 --> 02:38:43.399 never forget this. Hulk was all business with me, all business. And 2073 02:38:43.559 --> 02:38:46.920 one night me and Hulk are facing off on the ramp and we got a 2074 02:38:48.000 --> 02:38:52.440 little too close. And as the heel, I'm not getting too close to 2075 02:38:52.520 --> 02:38:56.239 the legendary baby face. I don't want to leave him what he is Johnson 2076 02:38:56.280 --> 02:38:58.680 in his hand where he can't do anything. I thought to back down. 2077 02:39:00.079 --> 02:39:03.000 What we're getting to the back and he calls me over and he goes, 2078 02:39:03.319 --> 02:39:07.280 don't you ever back down for me again? And I was like, I 2079 02:39:07.000 --> 02:39:11.239 did not understand the lesson that I was just about to learn. I'm like, 2080 02:39:11.360 --> 02:39:13.399 Hulk, you're you, and like I didn't want to get you close 2081 02:39:13.440 --> 02:39:16.399 where people would expect you to hit me. He goes, I'm here to 2082 02:39:16.479 --> 02:39:22.600 make you. I back down from you. Wow. He made me understand, 2083 02:39:22.760 --> 02:39:26.520 don't you do that. We're trying to bring your character up to a 2084 02:39:26.639 --> 02:39:31.760 certain level. Your character doesn't need to be backing down at this very moment. 2085 02:39:31.719 --> 02:39:35.280 That was a big deal for me to learn that lesson. Pretty kill 2086 02:39:35.319 --> 02:39:41.200 a lesson from a legend. Yeah, yeah, thanks for screaming at me, 2087 02:39:41.280 --> 02:39:48.799 Steve. I appreciate that as i'd do something wrong, Steve, you're 2088 02:39:48.799 --> 02:39:54.040 screaming at me? What? Um? So I love I love that example 2089 02:39:54.079 --> 02:39:58.639 because it's like, uh, you know, guess what in the end you 2090 02:40:00.040 --> 02:40:01.639 one two three, Like, yeah, I'll back down from you, but 2091 02:40:01.719 --> 02:40:05.840 guess what guess is going over? So it's all it's Hulk. It's self 2092 02:40:05.920 --> 02:40:11.079 serving for the for Hulk to have the course to back down. He does 2093 02:40:11.200 --> 02:40:16.239 this against Matt Morgan. There's a segment that goes nowhere ultimately where Hogan Hogan's 2094 02:40:16.440 --> 02:40:20.440 they do the grand opening of his beach Shop merchandise store, and they shoot 2095 02:40:20.479 --> 02:40:22.399 an angle where Matt Morgan breaks in and takes the robe he wore when he 2096 02:40:22.520 --> 02:40:26.840 was managed by Fred Blastie against under the Giant at Chase Stadium with the purple 2097 02:40:26.920 --> 02:40:31.040 interior. He takes it from Hogan's collection and he stands to Hogan, and 2098 02:40:31.120 --> 02:40:35.280 he steps to Hogan and Hogan backs off. So that's Hogan's one idea to 2099 02:40:35.319 --> 02:40:37.840 get a giant over. Yeah, it's so stupid, and that I don't 2100 02:40:37.879 --> 02:40:41.360 know what he's talking about. Being on the ramp with Bubba. There was 2101 02:40:41.399 --> 02:40:45.239 a moment and that they shot in Hogan's office almost like the hallway where they 2102 02:40:45.280 --> 02:40:46.879 go face to face and Bubba kind of steps back a bit. Yeah. 2103 02:40:48.200 --> 02:40:50.920 I don't ever would call them going face to face on the ramp and impact, 2104 02:40:50.000 --> 02:40:54.200 but if they did, certainly not amongst the h They carefully curated list 2105 02:40:54.280 --> 02:40:58.079 of segments we'll be talking about on this latest installment of TNA. But I 2106 02:40:58.200 --> 02:41:01.159 just I love that he's got a little story to tell. You know, 2107 02:41:01.600 --> 02:41:05.600 you rubbed elbows with the Hulkster, and you gotta come away feeling like you 2108 02:41:05.719 --> 02:41:09.319 learned something instead of the age older. All I learned was how to set 2109 02:41:09.399 --> 02:41:13.319 Hulk up for another payday. That's fine. He's he's got good vibe. 2110 02:41:13.360 --> 02:41:16.760 So that's that's the lesson Bully picked up from Hogan. As for a kind 2111 02:41:16.799 --> 02:41:20.760 of you know, bringing Brook Hogan into TNA and her involvement with the Dixie 2112 02:41:20.840 --> 02:41:24.520 Carter and how it all ties up Nashville, I think Bruce Pritchard has some 2113 02:41:24.639 --> 02:41:30.680 pretty good perspective on all this. I'm sure he does into our next stage 2114 02:41:30.719 --> 02:41:35.879 of understanding here. Let's here from Bruce on his podcast. She moved to 2115 02:41:37.000 --> 02:41:41.600 Nashville. She had a singing career that she wanted to continue, and she 2116 02:41:41.239 --> 02:41:48.159 moved to Nashville that to continue that. And I don't dare say that the 2117 02:41:48.280 --> 02:41:54.760 folks on the Nashville end of things held up their end of what was promised 2118 02:41:54.799 --> 02:42:01.719 to her. It was a situation where Spike Dixie I think Hulk, and 2119 02:42:01.879 --> 02:42:07.239 not even so much really Hulk, but where they saw an opportunity, and 2120 02:42:07.120 --> 02:42:09.639 we're like, oh my god, you know, we can get Brooke Hogan 2121 02:42:09.719 --> 02:42:11.879 to come in and we can do all these albums with her and do all 2122 02:42:11.920 --> 02:42:16.159 this music with her. But once they got her, nobody was prepared to 2123 02:42:16.239 --> 02:42:22.079 do anything with her. And when the subject was brought up and the plans 2124 02:42:22.159 --> 02:42:28.079 were all made was during the time that I was rehabbing after my heart attack, 2125 02:42:28.200 --> 02:42:33.559 the first one I had, and I'm sitting there listening They're They're laying 2126 02:42:33.600 --> 02:42:35.840 out this idea and saying Brooke and Brooke, and I'm listening to it, 2127 02:42:35.959 --> 02:42:41.239 going okay because I'm thinking Brooke Adams all right, and then it's like Brooke 2128 02:42:41.319 --> 02:42:45.600 Hogan. I'm like, hey, how are we doing Brook Hogan? She's 2129 02:42:45.639 --> 02:42:48.959 not even on the roster. I mean, what we don't And then you 2130 02:42:48.079 --> 02:42:52.760 know, got on. But it was it was an ill conceived idea. 2131 02:42:52.879 --> 02:42:56.120 It was one of those deals too, I think in their mind was to 2132 02:42:58.040 --> 02:43:03.639 peace Hulk when and I don't know that Hulk was really ever. You don't 2133 02:43:03.680 --> 02:43:07.239 think Hulk pushed for that. No, come on, okay, I'm sorry 2134 02:43:07.360 --> 02:43:11.079 because you were there and talk to him. I think Hulk, if he 2135 02:43:11.159 --> 02:43:15.680 had brothers, would definitely not have wanted her to be there, would rather 2136 02:43:15.879 --> 02:43:20.159 hurt just be in the music deal and only doing that. Hulk didn't want 2137 02:43:20.200 --> 02:43:22.680 his daughter being a part of this stuff. I mean he wants if you 2138 02:43:22.760 --> 02:43:24.959 were talent relations, how did you not negotiate her coming in? I did 2139 02:43:26.920 --> 02:43:31.120 after the fact, after it was already done. Okay, So so everybody 2140 02:43:31.159 --> 02:43:35.319 decides she's coming in, not at what price point? Right? And so 2141 02:43:35.479 --> 02:43:39.799 then you have to figure out and do some Yeah, and then you gotta 2142 02:43:39.879 --> 02:43:45.680 deal with with somebody on one side telling him one thing and then that same 2143 02:43:45.760 --> 02:43:50.000 person on the other side telling you something else. So Dixie saying, we're 2144 02:43:50.040 --> 02:43:52.440 gonna promise you the moon, and then do you get her as cheap as 2145 02:43:52.479 --> 02:43:54.879 you can? Correct? Well, I mean yeah, I get that. 2146 02:43:54.159 --> 02:43:58.559 Yeah. Uh. And so then you're the bad guy. Oh, without 2147 02:43:58.600 --> 02:44:01.719 a doubt. Does she take issue or does Hogan get involved when you low 2148 02:44:01.799 --> 02:44:07.559 ball? Um? They both took issue with it, because because what would 2149 02:44:07.600 --> 02:44:11.959 you negotiate with him for her? No? I negotiated with her, and 2150 02:44:11.040 --> 02:44:16.920 then I negotiated with her agent, and you know, Hulk, Hulk was 2151 02:44:16.920 --> 02:44:18.879 out of it. Hulpe didn't want to be in it. But but Hulk 2152 02:44:18.959 --> 02:44:24.280 did get involved when he was hearing from one side one thing, and then 2153 02:44:24.319 --> 02:44:26.959 hearing from his artible. Bruce said this, So I get put in the 2154 02:44:26.079 --> 02:44:31.079 middle of it. So Dixie tells Hogan, we're gonna give you X, 2155 02:44:31.239 --> 02:44:35.360 Y and Z and then she tells you, hey, just give her X 2156 02:44:35.559 --> 02:44:39.600 yeah, and you call off her X yeah, and then Hogan calls you 2157 02:44:39.879 --> 02:44:45.440 what the fuck? No, Um, you're saying, Hogan, but they're 2158 02:44:45.440 --> 02:44:50.319 all Hogans there, Hulk. You know, Hulk got involved at some point 2159 02:44:50.479 --> 02:44:54.799 saying why am I hearing two different things? Yeah? And there you know, 2160 02:44:56.520 --> 02:44:58.399 it was two different stories. And again I'm in the middle. And 2161 02:44:58.520 --> 02:45:03.440 there were instances where a matter of fact, we were in Huntsville, Alabama, 2162 02:45:05.360 --> 02:45:09.079 and it came to a head and I'm trying to get Dixie, Hulk, 2163 02:45:09.479 --> 02:45:16.440 Brooke and me all together. So we say, okay, here's let's 2164 02:45:16.479 --> 02:45:20.760 get all this shit on the table here, and um, it was difficult 2165 02:45:20.840 --> 02:45:26.559 to get the uh Dixie was playing games. It was difficult to get her 2166 02:45:26.639 --> 02:45:31.680 to that table. Yeah. Never did knew that she would be well because 2167 02:45:33.000 --> 02:45:37.399 and again my thing is is if you're gonna have different stories, I can 2168 02:45:37.479 --> 02:45:41.120 just figure it out. Then. Yeah, Okay, I was in a 2169 02:45:41.200 --> 02:45:45.799 really tough situation. Yeah, it was that I win. I'm dealing with 2170 02:45:45.920 --> 02:45:48.360 a guy that I've known for you know, at that point, close to 2171 02:45:48.399 --> 02:45:54.760 twenty years um or more, and always had a good relationship with, and 2172 02:45:54.879 --> 02:45:58.200 now you're dealing with his daughter, and he's hearing one thing from someone else, 2173 02:45:58.280 --> 02:46:05.719 and then I'm getting other directives and information and I don't know that Dixie's 2174 02:46:05.760 --> 02:46:09.440 talking to him, and the brook and things of that nature. What a 2175 02:46:09.479 --> 02:46:16.399 mass? It was a mass. Welcome to nature? What's that? Things 2176 02:46:16.440 --> 02:46:20.040 of that nature? Where do we get that from? Welcome to t NA? 2177 02:46:22.000 --> 02:46:24.760 Where it seems like, you know, Hulk's getting paid, He's gonna 2178 02:46:24.760 --> 02:46:26.000 get his daughter in the door. It's gonna be fine. The shooting angle, 2179 02:46:26.040 --> 02:46:30.120 she tries a country music career. But really Dixie, according to Bruce 2180 02:46:30.159 --> 02:46:33.000 there if you read between the lines and what he agrees in terms of Conrad's 2181 02:46:33.079 --> 02:46:37.000 characterization of things, really Dixie is promising big money for her and then delling 2182 02:46:37.040 --> 02:46:41.840 Bruce to lowballer and the offer, and then when it comes time to get 2183 02:46:41.840 --> 02:46:46.680 everybody in a room so that everyone can you said this, he said this, 2184 02:46:46.920 --> 02:46:50.040 She said this. Dixie doesn't want to do the meeting because she is 2185 02:46:50.079 --> 02:46:54.760 in contraction. Mode. She's running expenses up the flagpole to Dallas to her 2186 02:46:54.799 --> 02:46:58.000 mommy, and mommy saying Nope, no moral money for you, sweetheart. 2187 02:47:00.040 --> 02:47:03.200 That's enough. We're not going to be um, we're not going to be 2188 02:47:03.280 --> 02:47:05.760 spending. We're gonna be deficit spending here, like we're only going to spend 2189 02:47:05.799 --> 02:47:11.040 as much as we can generate. And so yeah, but she she's so 2190 02:47:11.200 --> 02:47:15.920 badly wants it. She's so badly wants a brook Hogan involved. You know, 2191 02:47:16.680 --> 02:47:18.840 she makes what it says about her Nashville connections and all that bullshit, 2192 02:47:20.280 --> 02:47:24.479 and it's a mess, and it's just it's only for the brook Hogan thing 2193 02:47:24.600 --> 02:47:26.959 is as well as it came off on television. If you hear that story, 2194 02:47:26.040 --> 02:47:28.840 it just kind of puts it in a whole new perspective of Oh, 2195 02:47:28.920 --> 02:47:33.639 it's just another fucking headache and another bunch of he said, she said, 2196 02:47:33.399 --> 02:47:39.000 double faced duplicity that comes with the Hogan and TNA, and it extends to 2197 02:47:39.200 --> 02:47:41.920 his daughter as well. Ultimately, why am I hearing two different things? 2198 02:47:43.000 --> 02:47:46.959 Brother? And how about Flair? He's gone? What happened to him? 2199 02:47:48.120 --> 02:47:52.399 Yeah? I know he's gone. Um. At the end of twenty twelve, 2200 02:47:52.440 --> 02:47:58.159 he's telling people he's done with TNA. He was kind of making some 2201 02:47:58.319 --> 02:48:01.799 noise about wanting to return to the ring, but we'll get into what happened 2202 02:48:01.799 --> 02:48:05.559 to him a bit later. Hogan's out there saying he wants to be back 2203 02:48:05.600 --> 02:48:09.360 in the ring. In late twenty twelve, he tells the Guard he promoting 2204 02:48:09.399 --> 02:48:13.520 the January tour of the UK. I've had eight back surgeries as well as 2205 02:48:13.600 --> 02:48:16.520 new replacements and both hips replaced. I only need one more surgery to fix 2206 02:48:16.639 --> 02:48:20.159 my right knee. That I'm going for the TNA and I'm going for the 2207 02:48:20.239 --> 02:48:24.920 TNA World title. I want to be fifty nine years old and be the 2208 02:48:26.000 --> 02:48:30.680 champion. Of course, he does so. He takes the big beat down 2209 02:48:30.719 --> 02:48:33.079 in London as part of the tapings that led to the aforementioned moment where they 2210 02:48:33.120 --> 02:48:37.079 play his music for him to come out for six man tag, basically a 2211 02:48:37.159 --> 02:48:41.239 mimic of the match he actually did in London, untelevised on the January twenty 2212 02:48:41.440 --> 02:48:46.399 twelve tour and his last match in fact in his life as it turned out. 2213 02:48:46.360 --> 02:48:48.719 But they do the beat down to explain the knee surgery. So whenever 2214 02:48:48.799 --> 02:48:52.600 Hulk gets laid out, whenever he's out backstage, oh my knee. He's 2215 02:48:52.600 --> 02:48:56.799 actually going under the knife to really get an operation on them. That's hilarious, 2216 02:48:56.840 --> 02:49:03.840 what you have to know. But then he goes ahead and as soon 2217 02:49:03.879 --> 02:49:07.639 as twenty thirteen turns over, he goes ahead and sues Laser Spine Institute for 2218 02:49:07.680 --> 02:49:13.840 fifty million dollars. So, right after saying he's going after one knee surgery, 2219 02:49:13.840 --> 02:49:15.600 it's all he's gonna need. He's going to get back in and go 2220 02:49:15.719 --> 02:49:18.920 for the world title, he then sues the Laser Spine Institute for permanently taking 2221 02:49:18.959 --> 02:49:24.319 away his ability to ever do that. So's that's the duality of the Hulkster, 2222 02:49:24.559 --> 02:49:28.840 even in the twilight of his TNA run. As for Bully Ray, 2223 02:49:28.639 --> 02:49:33.600 it's certainly the highlight of his career. He later has conversations coming back. 2224 02:49:33.680 --> 02:49:37.879 He comes back for a royal rumbolt to WWE, and he wants to pitch 2225 02:49:37.920 --> 02:49:41.440 the Bully Ray character to Vince, and he requests an audience with Vince, 2226 02:49:41.520 --> 02:49:43.239 and Vince, according to the way Bully tells the story, pipes up right 2227 02:49:43.239 --> 02:49:46.000 away and says I know about Bully Ray. In other words, don't sit 2228 02:49:46.079 --> 02:49:50.600 here and pitch me the idea of the Bully Ray characters if you haven't already 2229 02:49:50.639 --> 02:49:54.920 done it, I know about it, and he's not interested. Wow bullies. 2230 02:49:56.000 --> 02:50:00.239 Version of the story is that he told Chris van Vleete this that it 2231 02:50:00.360 --> 02:50:03.639 was in part because they had their b A Star anti bullying campaign going at 2232 02:50:03.639 --> 02:50:05.159 the time and to have a character named Bully Ray would just not work. 2233 02:50:07.239 --> 02:50:09.879 But he also says there's a second half of the story that he's not really 2234 02:50:09.920 --> 02:50:11.840 comfortable telling yet, but one day will as to why that never happened. 2235 02:50:13.920 --> 02:50:18.079 They even suggested maybe instead of Bully they could call him. Of course this 2236 02:50:18.280 --> 02:50:26.440 sounds very Vince the intimidator, Bully Ray still Bully. Of course, none 2237 02:50:26.440 --> 02:50:30.200 of it happens because no one cares, and he never gets say yeah a 2238 02:50:30.319 --> 02:50:33.120 singles. He'll run in WW subsequent to TNA and ends up kind of floating 2239 02:50:33.159 --> 02:50:37.600 around. He goes to Ring of Honor for a while and now is beca 2240 02:50:37.879 --> 02:50:43.559 in impact wrestling such as it exists today. As for the other of the 2241 02:50:43.840 --> 02:50:48.559 Hogan spawn, Nick Hogan, it's worth a reminder that he's he's out of 2242 02:50:48.559 --> 02:50:54.440 the clank and he's starting to pop up a little bit in the news as 2243 02:50:54.479 --> 02:50:56.760 well in his own right, not not for negativity, but sort of you 2244 02:50:56.840 --> 02:51:01.799 know, we're seeing the next chapter of Brooke Hogan's career developing. Let's turn 2245 02:51:01.879 --> 02:51:05.680 now, Boss, if he could help us with this too, was a 2246 02:51:05.760 --> 02:51:11.719 Chicago Tribune in a write up they did about DJ Nick Hogan starting to make 2247 02:51:11.760 --> 02:51:16.680 his presence. By two thousand and nine, when the shine of VH one's 2248 02:51:16.719 --> 02:51:20.840 popular reality series Hogan Knows Best had worn off, it appeared as if Starr 2249 02:51:22.000 --> 02:51:26.280 Nick Hogans and a world wrestling entertainment icon Hulk Coogan would follow in his bandana 2250 02:51:26.399 --> 02:51:33.239 wearing father's footsteps and pursue a career in professional wrestling. Hogan had the name, 2251 02:51:33.360 --> 02:51:37.360 though he wasn't though he was born Nick Balaa, and the teachers he 2252 02:51:37.559 --> 02:51:45.120 was getting trained by wrestlers Rakishi and gangrel the problem he kept dislocating his left 2253 02:51:45.159 --> 02:51:48.600 shoulder. According to the twenty two year old Hogan, He said it happened 2254 02:51:48.639 --> 02:51:52.879 so often that it would require surgery for him to go on. While most 2255 02:51:52.920 --> 02:51:56.959 aspiring wrestlers would have worried about the months the procedure would would keep him them 2256 02:51:58.000 --> 02:52:01.040 out of the ring, Hogan was more concerned with the months that would keep 2257 02:52:01.120 --> 02:52:05.520 him away from the turntables, because by that point, Hogan had fallen in 2258 02:52:05.639 --> 02:52:09.479 love with djaying. It began when his sister and Hogan knows Best co star 2259 02:52:09.559 --> 02:52:16.079 Brook Hogan, who found success as a pop singer success Sure, bought him 2260 02:52:16.120 --> 02:52:20.479 turntables for Christmas. He said he paid a dj four hundred dollars to teach 2261 02:52:20.559 --> 02:52:26.079 him how to use the turntables and would practice in his spare time. When 2262 02:52:26.159 --> 02:52:30.479 it came time to choose between wrestling and djaying, he decided to postpone his 2263 02:52:30.559 --> 02:52:33.920 wrestling career so he could give djaying a go full time. Much to the 2264 02:52:35.000 --> 02:52:39.280 relief of his dad, Hogan was able to find steady djay work from the 2265 02:52:39.440 --> 02:52:43.879 very beginning. Whether they were ideal gigs as a different story. Quote being 2266 02:52:43.760 --> 02:52:48.319 me was kind of a double edged sword when it came to djaying, Hogan 2267 02:52:48.360 --> 02:52:52.280 said over the phone from Los Angeles last week. It's a blessing that I 2268 02:52:52.360 --> 02:52:56.559 have a father whose last name is famous enough that people want to look book 2269 02:52:56.639 --> 02:52:58.319 me at a club. At the same time, the clubs that wanted to 2270 02:52:58.440 --> 02:53:03.280 hire me weren't the best clubs for me to play at. It was a 2271 02:53:03.399 --> 02:53:07.120 novelty for them, but it wasn't a novelty for me. The places I 2272 02:53:07.200 --> 02:53:11.120 wanted to play wouldn't hire me because they didn't want to be associated with the 2273 02:53:11.280 --> 02:53:15.680 novelty. Oh man, here's another celebt DJ. A lot of club owners 2274 02:53:15.719 --> 02:53:18.200 wouldn't give me the time of day a few years ago, but now they've 2275 02:53:18.239 --> 02:53:24.559 seen that I stuck with it. Hogan opened for Jersey Shore star Paulide during 2276 02:53:24.600 --> 02:53:28.479 his DJ sat at a Los Angeles club in April, and has booked a 2277 02:53:28.600 --> 02:53:33.920 handful of Chicago area appearances over the years, including Lionhead Pub in Lincoln Park 2278 02:53:35.000 --> 02:53:39.799 in twenty ten, Vision Nightclub River River North, and the now closed Raven 2279 02:53:41.040 --> 02:53:46.319 Nightclub in Schaumberg in twenty eleven. He will return to the latter city Friday 2280 02:53:46.719 --> 02:53:54.399 to spend at John Barkley Barley Barkley Corn I don't know. While Hogan as 2281 02:53:54.520 --> 02:54:00.559 quietly reinvented himself as a DJ, Brooke has become a major on air personality 2282 02:54:00.840 --> 02:54:05.200 for Total Non Step Action Wrestling. She was set to get married to her 2283 02:54:05.239 --> 02:54:09.520 father's nemesis, Bully Ray as part of a storyline on last week's episode of 2284 02:54:09.559 --> 02:54:15.159 Impact Wrestling on Spike TV, but saw her wedding interrupted as as his mandatory 2285 02:54:15.280 --> 02:54:18.559 during wrestling weddings of all the people, the last person I would have bet 2286 02:54:18.959 --> 02:54:22.639 money to end up in the wrestling business, was Brooke, Hogan said, 2287 02:54:22.719 --> 02:54:28.159 Oh, sorry, you've all that's Nick. That's Nick, all right. 2288 02:54:28.399 --> 02:54:31.040 It blows my mind. I'm so proud of her. Hulk and ex wife 2289 02:54:31.120 --> 02:54:35.799 Linda Hogan have also been making headlines recently, mostly the unwanted kind. Hulk 2290 02:54:35.840 --> 02:54:41.239 found himself part of a sex tape scandal in October, and Linda was recently 2291 02:54:41.360 --> 02:54:46.000 charged with a dui stemming from an arrest that also took place in October. 2292 02:54:46.559 --> 02:54:48.360 In two thousand and seven, it was Nick who was in trouble with the 2293 02:54:48.440 --> 02:54:54.200 law. He spent six months in jail due to charges stemming from a car 2294 02:54:54.280 --> 02:54:58.239 crash that left a friend with brain damage. Nick, Who's manager and assisted 2295 02:54:58.319 --> 02:55:01.799 he not be asked about his family personal issues, said he stays away from 2296 02:55:01.840 --> 02:55:05.959 what gets written about his family, and it's more interested in what gets written 2297 02:55:05.959 --> 02:55:09.040 about his music. Quote. I try not to read a lot of the 2298 02:55:09.120 --> 02:55:13.120 pop culture stuff and celeb bloggers, Hogan said, but I do check out 2299 02:55:13.200 --> 02:55:18.479 people's feedback when I put up new mixes and new songs on SoundCloud. Some 2300 02:55:18.719 --> 02:55:22.239 might wonder if Hogan ever regrets that his family opened up their lives to the 2301 02:55:22.319 --> 02:55:28.399 cameras and start in their own reality show. After all, it's the main 2302 02:55:28.479 --> 02:55:33.159 reason celebrity news shows and websites have taken such a big interest in the family's 2303 02:55:33.239 --> 02:55:35.920 drama. But the youngest Hogan said he would do the show again, and 2304 02:55:37.040 --> 02:55:41.559 it's grateful for the opportunities reality TV gave him. Quote. I don't think 2305 02:55:41.600 --> 02:55:46.120 I've ever regretted appearing on reality TV, but there are moments where I wonder 2306 02:55:46.200 --> 02:55:50.120 what life would have been like if I hadn't been on reality TV, Hogan 2307 02:55:50.200 --> 02:55:54.799 said. I found myself in certain places, maybe where fortunate things happen, 2308 02:55:54.120 --> 02:56:01.920 and have realized how blessed I am to be. In that pages from the 2309 02:56:01.959 --> 02:56:07.319 Book of Hogan in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen, Nick back at the turntables 2310 02:56:07.760 --> 02:56:11.440 Brooke in TNA, Hulk teasing he's going to come back and then suing because 2311 02:56:11.440 --> 02:56:15.719 he can never come back. It's all here, boss, Linda getting a 2312 02:56:15.799 --> 02:56:20.959 DUI. All good, you're wondering. And of course Hogan's lawsuits against Gawker 2313 02:56:20.000 --> 02:56:22.760 and the others working their way through the courts. As for Rick Flair, 2314 02:56:22.760 --> 02:56:28.200 He's got a lawsuit himself, or at least he's involved in one because Flair 2315 02:56:28.239 --> 02:56:31.719 tried to have his TENA contract terminated in twenty twelve and is working it through 2316 02:56:31.959 --> 02:56:37.040 the entirety of twenty twelve because ww's back interested. Remember they cut the deal 2317 02:56:37.120 --> 02:56:39.399 for him to go and get inducted into the Hall of Fame as part of 2318 02:56:39.399 --> 02:56:43.000 the Four Horsemen in exchange for Christian Cage being lent out by WW to TNA 2319 02:56:43.079 --> 02:56:46.319 so he could appear at the slam Averse Rachel and be part of the Hall 2320 02:56:46.360 --> 02:56:48.920 of Fame. Of course he does that with absolute dispassion, and so TENA 2321 02:56:50.000 --> 02:56:52.920 SE's no upside in continuing using him in any way, shape or form, 2322 02:56:52.159 --> 02:56:56.319 so it's really an uneven trade. But this is of course Rick just trying 2323 02:56:56.319 --> 02:56:58.799 to enter his way out of TNA and back into WW, who now finds 2324 02:57:00.239 --> 02:57:03.239 is to be interested in him again. But it leads to a contract Tampa 2325 02:57:03.280 --> 02:57:07.840 ring lawsuit from TENA against WWE because they claim that so long as Rick Flaire 2326 02:57:07.879 --> 02:57:11.319 is under contract to them, it's a violation for WW to pursue him knowing 2327 02:57:11.399 --> 02:57:16.760 he's under a valid contract to them, so they file suit. Flaire's sixty 2328 02:57:16.799 --> 02:57:18.040 three at the time, but by the end of the year, you better 2329 02:57:18.079 --> 02:57:22.479 believe he's walking the raw stage to present the Slammy Awards. That's right, 2330 02:57:22.559 --> 02:57:28.079 December seventeenth, Monday Night Raw from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He is saying that, 2331 02:57:30.079 --> 02:57:35.479 having been inactive since he wrestled mcfolio really on that episode of Impact in 2332 02:57:35.520 --> 02:57:41.079 twenty eleven, that as of December twenty, twenty twelve, he's retired from 2333 02:57:41.120 --> 02:57:43.639 the industry. One thing Vince McMahon was always a stickler four was keeping up 2334 02:57:43.639 --> 02:57:48.319 the Shawn Michaels Russellman need twenty four retirement stipulation. So Flaire isn't going to 2335 02:57:48.360 --> 02:57:50.719 get back into the ring for w W if he returns there. That was 2336 02:57:50.760 --> 02:57:54.000 acknowledged. So not only Boss did we see the end of Hulk Coogan's career 2337 02:57:54.040 --> 02:57:56.239 in early twenty twelve, We've seen the end of Ric Flair's in ring career 2338 02:57:56.239 --> 02:58:00.959 as well. If you don't count the Ric Flair last match promotion not too 2339 02:58:01.040 --> 02:58:05.239 lunch, I do count that, So there you go. This is shortly 2340 02:58:05.280 --> 02:58:07.920 after Jerry Lawler took a series of elbow drops on Raw and the next week 2341 02:58:09.040 --> 02:58:13.079 had a heart attack at a ringside announced position and nearly died. Had the 2342 02:58:13.120 --> 02:58:16.200 arena and Montreal not been so close to a high level medical facility, he 2343 02:58:16.239 --> 02:58:20.559 probably would have expired right there on the air. So as a result of 2344 02:58:20.600 --> 02:58:24.200 that as well as Ricky Steamboat suffered a stroke after doing an angle deep into 2345 02:58:24.200 --> 02:58:28.840 his fifties where he was beat down by Nexus, WW sort of putting the 2346 02:58:28.920 --> 02:58:33.719 akabash and anybody of Rick Flair's age taking anything by way of a physical punishment 2347 02:58:33.799 --> 02:58:37.319 on their air waves for fear of, you know, presiding over a tragedy. 2348 02:58:37.520 --> 02:58:43.079 So in making his return to WWE, rick Flair calling it a career 2349 02:58:43.159 --> 02:58:46.680 not only in the ring, but for TNA as well. But there was 2350 02:58:46.760 --> 02:58:52.319 that lawsuit and that kind of sets the tone for w W ETNA relations going 2351 02:58:52.399 --> 02:58:56.239 forward because part of what WW says in court is that they have absolutely no 2352 02:58:56.319 --> 02:59:01.680 interest in TNA wrestlers. That is to assure the judge that they will not 2353 02:59:01.799 --> 02:59:05.639 be doing anything that could resemble contract tampering going forward because they're simply not interested. 2354 02:59:07.200 --> 02:59:09.079 And by making that representation to the judge, you better believe that they 2355 02:59:09.159 --> 02:59:15.319 then institute a policy of not signing anybody from TNA, including talent they may 2356 02:59:15.399 --> 02:59:18.760 have signed had the conditions not existed around the lawsuits, such as Robert Rude 2357 02:59:18.760 --> 02:59:22.920 and others whose contracts came up and who eventually were brought into the NXT system 2358 02:59:22.040 --> 02:59:26.079 years later. Once that whole situation died down in Dixie, Carter works basically 2359 02:59:26.799 --> 02:59:31.559 an empress without a kingdom. But this is bad news for a lot of 2360 02:59:31.639 --> 02:59:35.360 talent in TNA that would like to use leverage of going to WWE or the 2361 02:59:35.399 --> 02:59:39.399 potential of going to WWE and resigning with TNA. Suddenly this lawsuit in and 2362 02:59:39.399 --> 02:59:45.479 around Ric Flair, making that very very difficult for all parties. Flair also 2363 02:59:45.559 --> 02:59:48.239 in the news at this point in time because of the breakup of his fourth 2364 02:59:48.280 --> 02:59:52.559 marriage to Jacqueline Beams. This is the one that famously had the incident where 2365 02:59:54.799 --> 02:59:58.719 he got busted opened during a domestic dispute. Oh yeah, oh my god 2366 02:59:58.840 --> 03:00:01.120 for blading himself to dea on TENA television in a bid to make us care 2367 03:00:01.799 --> 03:00:05.079 and then his wife busts him back open during a shoving match or whatever it 2368 03:00:05.280 --> 03:00:09.040 was. That's right, So another round of alimoni for the nature boy is 2369 03:00:09.040 --> 03:00:15.479 a fourth marriage fails and she files for a legal separation. According to TMC 2370 03:00:15.639 --> 03:00:20.760 dot com um Eckelberg County, where both live, she claimed husband has had 2371 03:00:20.840 --> 03:00:24.200 numerous intimate relationships with other women during the party's marriage to the embarrassment of humiliation 2372 03:00:24.239 --> 03:00:30.440 of wife. Flair soon jumps in public with Fifi the man married Rick Flair 2373 03:00:30.520 --> 03:00:35.239 for Fox say guess I'm sorry. I mean, listen, it's it's not 2374 03:00:35.920 --> 03:00:45.159 I don't mean to to to demean her or anything. But like you, 2375 03:00:45.600 --> 03:00:50.120 if you're marrying Rick Flair, you gotta know two things. Number one, 2376 03:00:50.840 --> 03:00:56.040 it's it's not an exclusive relationship, all right. He is going to fuck 2377 03:00:56.079 --> 03:01:00.440 other women exactly. I'm not saying that's right, Oh no, I'm saying 2378 03:01:00.479 --> 03:01:03.479 that is the fact that you don't have the you don't have the choice of 2379 03:01:05.239 --> 03:01:09.719 not knowing that by the stage of because because because here's the thing, it's 2380 03:01:09.760 --> 03:01:16.079 not that you know, he doesn't matter how hot you are, doesn't matter, 2381 03:01:16.639 --> 03:01:22.200 you know anything else. The bottom line is you're not that woman over 2382 03:01:22.280 --> 03:01:24.719 there, that's right, and you're not that woman over here. To take 2383 03:01:24.760 --> 03:01:28.799 it personally, she doesn't shave her bush and he's going to eat around on 2384 03:01:28.840 --> 03:01:33.159 an yer plane. It's fine, right exactly you listen, listen when he 2385 03:01:33.319 --> 03:01:39.559 gets the hunger for that pause, he wants all the slice exactly right. 2386 03:01:39.920 --> 03:01:43.520 Next in line, by the way, is Wendy Barlow aka Fiefy the maid, 2387 03:01:43.639 --> 03:01:46.639 his valet and WCW for time, and she sticks. She sticks with 2388 03:01:46.719 --> 03:01:50.440 him all they divorce as well eventually, But she was the one that was 2389 03:01:50.440 --> 03:01:54.079 with him when he suffered his near fatal heart attack. And you know, 2390 03:01:54.159 --> 03:01:58.040 she's in all the documentaries they've done recently about him, being mostly complimentary towards 2391 03:01:58.120 --> 03:02:00.239 him. So she's still very much in his life, even though or not 2392 03:02:00.360 --> 03:02:03.719 wed. So he I guess you find the life partner if nothing else after 2393 03:02:03.840 --> 03:02:07.440 this failed tena era divorce. Yeah, I guess, but like I mean, 2394 03:02:07.600 --> 03:02:13.399 it makes me laugh, like you're not. You got to learn by 2395 03:02:13.520 --> 03:02:18.920 now that that nobody is going to tame Matt Beast. Indeed, that's exactly 2396 03:02:18.959 --> 03:02:22.840 correct. It's noted this is from the Observer. A few things notable about 2397 03:02:22.879 --> 03:02:26.760 this was her claim. This is the divorced wife's claim that Flair makes more 2398 03:02:26.799 --> 03:02:30.360 than a million dollars per year. I have no idea of the accuracy of 2399 03:02:30.399 --> 03:02:33.079 that. Melzer writes only that Flair hasn't worked in pro wrestling in several months. 2400 03:02:33.120 --> 03:02:37.600 When Flair left TNA in May twenty twelve, which brought about the TNA 2401 03:02:37.680 --> 03:02:39.639 lawsuit against WWB, the belief was he could afford to do so because of 2402 03:02:39.680 --> 03:02:43.280 a multi year contract he had signed with Coca Cola to endorse an energy drink, 2403 03:02:43.319 --> 03:02:46.920 a deal that was believed to be very lucrative and would have allowed him 2404 03:02:46.920 --> 03:02:48.639 to walk away from wrestling. If it was up to him whether he financially 2405 03:02:48.639 --> 03:02:52.280 could or not, He'd never leave wrestling. He's still in a contract with 2406 03:02:52.319 --> 03:02:54.840 a Coca Cola and being paid, but they removed him as the face of 2407 03:02:54.920 --> 03:02:58.680 the drink due to negative publicity stemming from the stories relating to Beams. The 2408 03:02:58.719 --> 03:03:03.799 woman divorced him after the second occasions, police were called over called over her 2409 03:03:03.879 --> 03:03:07.680 attacking him, even though the incident was about her and he was being attacked. 2410 03:03:09.000 --> 03:03:11.079 They wanted him to stay out of the news with stories like that Beams 2411 03:03:11.079 --> 03:03:16.639 also has a dui charge pending. Big fucking course, yep, big fucking 2412 03:03:16.719 --> 03:03:22.159 thumbs up. TNA subsequently tried to get Riclar to attend one of their shows, 2413 03:03:22.280 --> 03:03:26.159 but that did not happen. So relations really get strained between the two 2414 03:03:26.200 --> 03:03:28.840 parties, and the lawsuit happens, and we mentioned the Christian piece as well, 2415 03:03:30.440 --> 03:03:35.760 and what ultimately comes of all this one can say is that the contract 2416 03:03:35.840 --> 03:03:41.319 tampering in part was alleged in lawsuits because someone who worked for TNA went to 2417 03:03:41.360 --> 03:03:46.239 work for WWE, leading TENA to allege that he took with him trade secrets 2418 03:03:46.280 --> 03:03:50.959 about the nature and structure of TENA contracts such that WW could leverage them and 2419 03:03:52.040 --> 03:03:54.440 bidding for talent in the marketplace, or at least being smarter than they had 2420 03:03:54.440 --> 03:04:00.559 a right to be about how exactly TNA structured it steals without permit to see 2421 03:04:00.600 --> 03:04:05.319 those trade secret materials. He was a gentleman by the name of Brian Wittenstein, 2422 03:04:05.399 --> 03:04:07.399 and he came up in a lot of the coverage of the TENA and 2423 03:04:07.559 --> 03:04:11.120 ww legal volleys from this point in time, and just to close the loop 2424 03:04:11.200 --> 03:04:16.120 on that, this from just this past October from four to one, Mania 2425 03:04:18.840 --> 03:04:24.719 Cardy Rhodes agent has been fired from his agency over allegations of misconduct. Deadline 2426 03:04:24.760 --> 03:04:31.319 reports that Brian Wittenstein, who serves as an agent for Cody and Brandy Rhodes, 2427 03:04:31.399 --> 03:04:35.440 left the Hyperian Talent Agency after a clientiff has allegedly contacted the agency's leadership 2428 03:04:35.440 --> 03:04:39.319 and made a complaint about inappropriate behavior. Details are unclear, but the client 2429 03:04:39.440 --> 03:04:41.280 was said to have been made uncomfortable about the situation. The agency looked into 2430 03:04:41.319 --> 03:04:46.319 the matter, and the word is that previous instances were uncovered in Whittenstein was 2431 03:04:46.399 --> 03:04:48.360 let go on Wednesday. He was said to have been escorted out of the 2432 03:04:48.399 --> 03:04:52.600 building and was immediately removed from the agency's IMDb pro pages. The agency said 2433 03:04:52.600 --> 03:04:56.000 in a statement to Deadline, Brian Whittenstein is no longer an employee of Hyperion. 2434 03:04:56.360 --> 03:05:00.479 We have no further comment at this time. Whittenstein previously worked for ww 2435 03:05:00.680 --> 03:05:03.600 and TNA, and reportedly represents other wrestling figures as well, though no, 2436 03:05:03.680 --> 03:05:09.280 we're UNHUDNA follow the lawsuit in May of twenty twelve alleging that he violated a 2437 03:05:09.399 --> 03:05:13.319 non disclosure agreement and shared confidential information about the company when he went to WWE, 2438 03:05:13.399 --> 03:05:16.280 but the lawsuit was withdrawn in January of twenty and thirteen without prejudice. 2439 03:05:16.920 --> 03:05:22.079 So a big fucking thumbs up, boss for one of the alleged agents of 2440 03:05:22.159 --> 03:05:26.879 this exchanging of trade secrets going on to represent Cody Roads in the formation of 2441 03:05:26.959 --> 03:05:33.200 AW and undoubtedly his migration over to WWE. So if there is an unsavory 2442 03:05:33.319 --> 03:05:37.360 character to be had in the business, everybody wants a piece here, someone 2443 03:05:37.399 --> 03:05:43.000 who's willing to go there allegedly and around this time, Whole Cogan's also getting 2444 03:05:43.040 --> 03:05:45.920 attention, not just for the sex tape stuff and all the other familial and 2445 03:05:45.959 --> 03:05:48.360 domestic stuff we talked about, but also because he's trying to claim that the 2446 03:05:48.399 --> 03:05:50.360 Wrestler was supposed to be about him. The movie by Darren Arnovsky. Do 2447 03:05:50.399 --> 03:05:56.559 you recall this, No, Meltzer, I know this will shock people, 2448 03:05:56.600 --> 03:06:01.239 but Darren Arnovski was asked about Hogan's story about being the original person asked to 2449 03:06:01.319 --> 03:06:03.959 be in the lead role of the wrestler. Ogan claimed he dirted down. 2450 03:06:05.120 --> 03:06:09.360 Here's what Ronofsky said for the record, the role of the wrestler was always 2451 03:06:09.440 --> 03:06:13.680 Mickey Rourke. It was never Whole Coggan's, as he claims on Howard Stern. 2452 03:06:13.559 --> 03:06:16.879 Actually Rourke was the original lead Meltzer reports, but things fell apart in 2453 03:06:18.000 --> 03:06:20.879 Nicholas Cage was the lead at one point until work came back into the picture. 2454 03:06:20.920 --> 03:06:24.000 A Cage step aside because Arnovski felt the role was more suited for Rourke. 2455 03:06:24.920 --> 03:06:28.239 But that's uh. That part of Hulk, the Hulkster Boss is still 2456 03:06:28.319 --> 03:06:31.239 very much alive, the old Oh yeah, I would have got the George 2457 03:06:31.280 --> 03:06:35.959 Farman grill if I was home to answer the phone. Also claiming once the 2458 03:06:35.000 --> 03:06:37.680 wrestler, you know, becomes a hit. I mean really it was. 2459 03:06:37.719 --> 03:06:41.920 It was a hit for its totally for its budget. I mean, I'm 2460 03:06:41.920 --> 03:06:43.719 sure you have better perspective than I do, but that that movie, and 2461 03:06:45.360 --> 03:06:48.319 I love its weight. It was a it was a it was a massive 2462 03:06:48.399 --> 03:06:52.639 success and it was very um you know it was. It was such an 2463 03:06:52.719 --> 03:07:01.360 eye opening Uh you know, look at the business for people who don't who 2464 03:07:01.399 --> 03:07:03.799 weren't aware, you weren't aware of, like what the twilight of a pro 2465 03:07:03.879 --> 03:07:07.799 wrestler's career looks like, how sad it can be. It was so successful, 2466 03:07:09.440 --> 03:07:11.719 And I know that there's that TV show, but I'm still waiting for 2467 03:07:11.760 --> 03:07:16.920 a movie about a wrestler who in its prime and uh, you know, 2468 03:07:18.159 --> 03:07:20.040 dealing with drugs and all that ship. Indeed, yeah, I mean the 2469 03:07:20.079 --> 03:07:24.040 Kurd Agle movie, right, it's just waiting to be exactly. And the 2470 03:07:24.079 --> 03:07:28.159 anti biography they did in Kurt Agle, I think serves as a great baseline 2471 03:07:28.719 --> 03:07:33.159 for a script about that because it did a wonderful job threatening together just the 2472 03:07:33.319 --> 03:07:37.799 personal to malt that Kurt went through, like for all the professional success he 2473 03:07:37.920 --> 03:07:43.280 had and for the standard he said in the ring, this guy was constantly 2474 03:07:43.440 --> 03:07:48.760 a fucking mess on the home front. Just constant mess. And that's the 2475 03:07:48.840 --> 03:07:52.520 business. That's what the business demandons. The business demands that you suffer personally 2476 03:07:52.879 --> 03:07:58.079 so that you can succeed professionally. Yes, and the people just go, 2477 03:07:58.200 --> 03:08:03.639 oh, great, moon salt and that's it. Take as many perfect yep. 2478 03:08:03.520 --> 03:08:07.280 I don't care about what you're doing as long as I'm entertained. Make 2479 03:08:07.319 --> 03:08:09.760 sure that angle slam looks smooth. Make sure in the main event of a 2480 03:08:09.799 --> 03:08:13.959 pay per view you counter a slam or a suplex with a trough to the 2481 03:08:15.040 --> 03:08:20.040 ankle, lock right, come up screaming and even scissor that leg if it's 2482 03:08:20.079 --> 03:08:26.959 a big show. Also in the courts, making this uh, nothing less 2483 03:08:26.959 --> 03:08:31.719 than a continuation of a TENA law and order or TNA law, as we've 2484 03:08:31.200 --> 03:08:35.079 yes and talked so much about and lampooned on our YouTube page and Instagram and 2485 03:08:35.120 --> 03:08:39.559 Twitter accounts. Scott Steiner remember him, he was in for He was for 2486 03:08:39.600 --> 03:08:43.879 a while in early twenty twelve. He's suing the company as well, he's 2487 03:08:43.879 --> 03:08:48.559 actually countersuing them, But he turns out to be the clarion call for what 2488 03:08:48.879 --> 03:08:52.680 is about to be the ultimate end of the game. For whole. Coogan 2489 03:08:52.719 --> 03:08:58.920 and Eric Bischoff continuing to extend their gainful employment with TNA wrestling under the guy 2490 03:09:00.239 --> 03:09:03.559 I don't know doing a single damn thing to move ratings appreciably from where they 2491 03:09:03.600 --> 03:09:07.760 were before they got there. Scott Steiner doesn't give a fuck. He files 2492 03:09:07.799 --> 03:09:11.600 a suit against them, claiming breach a contract, said they never gave him 2493 03:09:11.680 --> 03:09:16.799 royalty statements on merchandise, failed to pay him his royalties. So the cracks 2494 03:09:16.840 --> 03:09:20.399 are very much starting to show, and TNA's ability to satisfactorily pay their talent 2495 03:09:22.000 --> 03:09:26.399 and renumerate their talent. Pritchard has talked about this is when the checks start 2496 03:09:26.479 --> 03:09:28.840 in the mail with the FedEx gimmicks of like, oh, you didn't get 2497 03:09:28.840 --> 03:09:30.959 your check, We FedEx. It's something must have gotten lost. We'll get 2498 03:09:31.000 --> 03:09:35.079 it off to you next week. Oh god. And yeah, the bigot 2499 03:09:35.200 --> 03:09:41.520 is being turned off. Dixie's mommy is not pumping more funds in. Spike 2500 03:09:41.559 --> 03:09:45.639 has done all they can do in terms of supporting TNA budgetarily. They got 2501 03:09:45.760 --> 03:09:48.440 to go on the road, and it's not untirely clear how they're gonna be 2502 03:09:48.440 --> 03:09:50.120 able to afford to do that. They're cutting way back on pay per views 2503 03:09:50.200 --> 03:09:54.520 which you know, they were hardly breaking even when you consider the cost of 2504 03:09:54.559 --> 03:09:56.799 putting them on. But that's supposed to be their revenue center. It's not 2505 03:09:56.879 --> 03:10:01.959 like they're selling any tickets to their TV tapings. They begin to it's offset 2506 03:10:01.040 --> 03:10:07.159 by the cost of doing a live broadcast satellite feed for He's Impact as live 2507 03:10:07.239 --> 03:10:11.559 now, so they're competing. They're all these competing pressures, and we're starting 2508 03:10:11.559 --> 03:10:15.840 to realize, is every single thing that a Bishoff would say they had to 2509 03:10:15.920 --> 03:10:18.959 do to position themselves for success that he frets they did not do, they 2510 03:10:20.000 --> 03:10:22.280 actually did. They did them all. They went to Monday nights, they 2511 03:10:22.319 --> 03:10:26.479 went live, they took Impact tapings on the road, They reduced the number 2512 03:10:26.479 --> 03:10:28.159 of pay per views. They did this, they did that. They got 2513 03:10:28.200 --> 03:10:33.840 spiked to chip in the money. There's nothing they changed time slots. There's 2514 03:10:33.920 --> 03:10:37.760 nothing that people said TENA didn't do that they actually didn't try. And it 2515 03:10:37.920 --> 03:10:43.520 made not even close to enough difference to continue down the road of essentially more 2516 03:10:43.639 --> 03:10:48.200 expeditious financial ruin. And so Scott Steiner I think serves as kind of a 2517 03:10:48.360 --> 03:10:52.399 canary in the coal mine. I think when he leaves TENA unceremoniously in early 2518 03:10:52.479 --> 03:10:56.920 twenty twelve, just weeks they're arriving and starts filing suit against them. They 2519 03:10:56.959 --> 03:11:01.799 had sued him because he went crazy on the internet. On the internet, 2520 03:11:01.959 --> 03:11:05.440 and what did he tweet? Okay, this is from April right now. 2521 03:11:07.280 --> 03:11:13.079 Steiner tweeted, I'm trying to save TNA. What because it's the Titanic and 2522 03:11:13.159 --> 03:11:18.559 it's sinking fast because Hogan and Bischoff are doing the same bullshit they did to 2523 03:11:18.719 --> 03:11:26.319 WCW. Okay, destroy WCWUM, so that's not taken too very kindly, 2524 03:11:26.520 --> 03:11:30.040 and that that leads to uh, to the back and forth, the legal 2525 03:11:30.079 --> 03:11:33.680 back and forth. TNA sues him for saying that UM, and he defends 2526 03:11:33.879 --> 03:11:37.200 back. He said, I wasn't trying to disparage the company, UM, 2527 03:11:37.840 --> 03:11:43.559 not preaching my contract and saying what I said. He just believes it. 2528 03:11:43.319 --> 03:11:46.920 UM. And then he comes back and sues them and says, well, 2529 03:11:46.959 --> 03:11:50.959 actually, uh, I suffered an injury during a house show and it was 2530 03:11:50.000 --> 03:11:52.639 while wrestling Jeff Hardy, and you let him get in the in the ring 2531 03:11:52.959 --> 03:11:58.840 high so fuck you guys, Like, ah, there's that whole thing there, 2532 03:12:00.079 --> 03:12:03.680 that whole pretending it's okay to make Jeff Hardy the world champion while he's 2533 03:12:03.760 --> 03:12:07.639 under indictment and due to report to jail any day now. Because Dixie has 2534 03:12:07.680 --> 03:12:09.799 a mothering instinct, how about you mother someone who isn't under indictment. How 2535 03:12:09.840 --> 03:12:16.920 about that? How about how about you cut your fucking losses here and get 2536 03:12:16.959 --> 03:12:20.280 the fuck out of dog happening. But no Scott standards to give a fuck. 2537 03:12:20.360 --> 03:12:22.959 Fine, I'll put this all on the table and hopefully get some people 2538 03:12:22.959 --> 03:12:28.639 in deposition to to tell the actual truth about who knew what went about Jeff's 2539 03:12:28.680 --> 03:12:31.159 drug use. That'd be fun reading, I'd imagine, right, he's looking 2540 03:12:31.200 --> 03:12:33.559 for seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in damages from his injuries and loss of 2541 03:12:33.600 --> 03:12:37.959 consortion with his wife. It says, it sounds good to me. I'm 2542 03:12:37.120 --> 03:12:41.799 listening. It's it's a good fadder for me, he'd but Jesus asking questions 2543 03:12:41.840 --> 03:12:46.680 from twenty eleven. November three, twenty eleven, Steiner alleged in the lawsuit 2544 03:12:46.639 --> 03:12:50.760 he only wrestled a few more times for the company. This eventually all goes 2545 03:12:50.799 --> 03:12:56.760 away. It doesn't really result in any like blockbuster testimony or trial or anything 2546 03:12:56.840 --> 03:13:01.319 like that. I'm not sure if Scott Stannard got a set, but that's 2547 03:13:01.399 --> 03:13:03.479 kind of where that thing goes. But I bring it up mostly to point 2548 03:13:03.520 --> 03:13:09.120 out that he fucking said it. He said it, wasn't afraid to say 2549 03:13:09.120 --> 03:13:13.040 it. They're doing to TNA what they did WCW. Bischoff and his podcast 2550 03:13:13.120 --> 03:13:18.159 was once asked about this, and he goes into this yarn about how oh 2551 03:13:18.319 --> 03:13:20.600 God came down to um. They were trying to get James Storm wins over 2552 03:13:20.680 --> 03:13:24.440 credible people and they wanted James Storm to beat Scott Steiner, so they wrote 2553 03:13:24.440 --> 03:13:28.399 the match out, but they said, you know, you go over to 2554 03:13:28.479 --> 03:13:30.760 Scott. You guys work out how the Finnish goes, because I'm not a 2555 03:13:30.799 --> 03:13:33.559 finished guy. In other words, Eric doesn't want to deal with actually having 2556 03:13:33.600 --> 03:13:37.319 to get talent buy into his ideas, so he basically tasks James Storm with 2557 03:13:37.440 --> 03:13:41.040 going to Scott Steiner. He hired Johnny Lory Knights to do this dirty work 2558 03:13:41.079 --> 03:13:46.479 back in two thousand and WCW and come up with the match finish wherein Storm 2559 03:13:46.559 --> 03:13:50.239 goes over Steiner, and Storm is kind of a shrinking violet around confrontation with 2560 03:13:50.319 --> 03:13:52.639 this. He does not want to do this. He does not want to 2561 03:13:52.719 --> 03:13:56.399 go and try to convince Scott's center to lose to him and Bishop's. The 2562 03:13:56.399 --> 03:14:00.360 Storm was intimidated by Scott, so mid afternoon he comes back looking like a 2563 03:14:00.399 --> 03:14:01.760 puppy dog does James Storm, saying he doesn't want to do anything. Scott 2564 03:14:01.799 --> 03:14:05.040 doesn't want to do anything. Bischeff said, you know, it wasn't that 2565 03:14:05.079 --> 03:14:07.440 Scott refused to job the James Storm, just that he wanted to finish that 2566 03:14:07.479 --> 03:14:09.520 made sense to him, which is also known as not wanting to do a 2567 03:14:09.639 --> 03:14:16.479 job. So they go back and forth two more times that afternoon, and 2568 03:14:16.639 --> 03:14:18.600 finally Bischef goes, fuck it, if he's not gonna do it, we'll 2569 03:14:18.639 --> 03:14:20.959 replace Steiner in the match. It's not worth the hassle in the time we're 2570 03:14:20.000 --> 03:14:24.200 spending on this. And of course Bischof it did have the authority to fire 2571 03:14:24.239 --> 03:14:26.440 anybody that was not his remit at TNA. That was something exclusively that Dixie 2572 03:14:26.479 --> 03:14:31.719 Carter could do. So he basically just takes the initiative to rebook the match 2573 03:14:31.799 --> 03:14:37.040 instead of trying to penalize Scott Steiner. But Scott eventually, because cording to 2574 03:14:37.079 --> 03:14:39.159 Bischof, this goes up the chain and someone other than him, because he 2575 03:14:39.200 --> 03:14:43.280 has no he has no ability to fire. Anybody makes the decision that Scott 2576 03:14:43.319 --> 03:14:46.319 has to pay for not doing business, and I gets taken off television, 2577 03:14:46.360 --> 03:14:50.000 written off television. Bischoff basically says it got back to the Carters or Dean 2578 03:14:50.079 --> 03:14:54.319 Broadhead, who worked in the office in Nashville for TNA but also panned Energy, 2579 03:14:54.440 --> 03:14:58.920 the family company of the Carters, and that they were sort of pissed 2580 03:15:00.079 --> 03:15:03.840 Scott Steiner for this and wrote him off as a result, and that's the 2581 03:15:03.959 --> 03:15:07.719 reason and Scott's mind. According to Bischoff, Hogan and Bischof were the ones 2582 03:15:07.760 --> 03:15:11.399 that went and got him fired because he wouldn't do the job, not the 2583 03:15:11.520 --> 03:15:15.040 Carters. Bischoff said, nothing could be further from the truth. I never 2584 03:15:15.120 --> 03:15:18.760 breathed a word about firing him. Scott assumed it was Hogan and I because 2585 03:15:18.760 --> 03:15:20.520 like so many people, he thought we were calling the shots. And in 2586 03:15:20.559 --> 03:15:24.879 fact, hul Cogan is actually quite disappointed that Scott Stenter left TNA and he 2587 03:15:24.000 --> 03:15:28.680 really likes Scott, So no blame to be cast in that direction. You 2588 03:15:28.799 --> 03:15:31.079 never call him a shot unless you call him a shot. That funny. 2589 03:15:31.200 --> 03:15:35.200 I had responsibility for everything and nothing. At the same time, I deserve 2590 03:15:35.319 --> 03:15:41.520 no blame in all credit it's a pretty sweet position of being. But let 2591 03:15:41.600 --> 03:15:45.879 Scott Steiner go down as the sage of this story, because it's funny to 2592 03:15:45.959 --> 03:15:48.360 me to have Scott Steinner be the first one to go on Twitter and go, 2593 03:15:48.879 --> 03:15:54.639 come on, man, I know what this is. I know. 2594 03:15:54.760 --> 03:15:58.479 It's just extending as long as you can those TNA checks landing in the mailbox 2595 03:15:58.600 --> 03:16:01.159 until the gigs up, and the gig is coming up quickly. As we 2596 03:16:01.280 --> 03:16:05.680 turned the corner to twenty thirteen, Oh God, bound for Glory in twenty 2597 03:16:05.760 --> 03:16:11.360 twelve, that about twenty thousand buys slightly down from Bound for Glory twenty eleven. 2598 03:16:11.399 --> 03:16:13.879 So the Hogan Sting Match was really the high point in terms of the 2599 03:16:15.159 --> 03:16:18.360 interest Hogan ever managed to draw to one of his programs in TNA. We'll 2600 03:16:18.399 --> 03:16:22.879 say that that was it if you don't count the the aberant January fourth, 2601 03:16:24.000 --> 03:16:26.440 twenty ten debut number where he was all over the show and premiered into the 2602 03:16:26.520 --> 03:16:31.000 angle with Holland Nash and all that, which is a very big audience in 2603 03:16:31.040 --> 03:16:35.600 an appreciable moment. It really was the Sting Match that came anywhere close to 2604 03:16:35.719 --> 03:16:41.440 feeling like Hulkegan brought value to the table and as the numbers trickle in for 2605 03:16:41.479 --> 03:16:46.319 the twenty twelve Bound for Glory compared to the twenty eleven Bound for Glory with 2606 03:16:46.399 --> 03:16:50.120 the sting match, that becomes very apparent. Still though Bound for Glory the 2607 03:16:50.159 --> 03:16:54.200 company's best showing of the year, beating out Lockdown for two and twelve. 2608 03:16:56.680 --> 03:17:01.799 Dana White's kind of getting involved because they're in bed now with Bellatoor Spike and 2609 03:17:01.879 --> 03:17:05.280 that's his now enemy. Yeah on the earthWhile on Network that's feeling jilted by 2610 03:17:05.319 --> 03:17:09.159 his departure. My words, not theirs, but Dana White offering a quote 2611 03:17:09.200 --> 03:17:11.600 at one point along the way. You know Dixie from TNA. They love 2612 03:17:11.680 --> 03:17:15.200 Dixie's Spike. She worked her ass off to build her business. I have 2613 03:17:15.280 --> 03:17:18.399 nothing negative to say about her. They were on Spike, they get one 2614 03:17:18.399 --> 03:17:22.399 point eight million viewers, and they can't sell a pay per view at those 2615 03:17:22.440 --> 03:17:26.159 Bound for Glory numbers. I just read proved that, and again they drastically 2616 03:17:26.920 --> 03:17:30.799 reduce the amount of pay per views they're going to do. It turns out 2617 03:17:30.799 --> 03:17:33.120 they wanted to do this all along, and that's the reason so many of 2618 03:17:33.159 --> 03:17:37.200 these pay per views seem so dead. It's because they don't want to do 2619 03:17:37.280 --> 03:17:39.959 them. But They have contracts within Demand and such to provide a certain amount 2620 03:17:39.959 --> 03:17:43.399 of pay per views a year, so they have to do them if they 2621 03:17:43.440 --> 03:17:48.959 don't want to get sued, which is interesting. It then becomes this weird 2622 03:17:48.040 --> 03:17:52.840 era where they're not doing pay per views for the US market, but they 2623 03:17:52.920 --> 03:17:58.360 still have contractual obligations to do things resembling pay per views for international markets. 2624 03:17:58.840 --> 03:18:03.079 So why because they signed a deal that said we will provide this many shows 2625 03:18:03.840 --> 03:18:07.440 that are exclusive and different from Impact, So they go they go nuts. 2626 03:18:07.719 --> 03:18:11.479 They move the limited amounts. So stupid pay per views they are doing in 2627 03:18:11.559 --> 03:18:13.879 the US on the road. They put them on the road. They have 2628 03:18:16.200 --> 03:18:20.200 the Lockdown show where Bully wins the title in Philadelphia, for example, and 2629 03:18:20.399 --> 03:18:26.079 they just they leave the Impact Zone. They leave the Impact Zone in March 2630 03:18:26.559 --> 03:18:31.079 of twenty and thirteen. This is the end of the Impact Zone run for 2631 03:18:31.120 --> 03:18:35.280 a while, and they just do these marathon tapings there instead. I'm talking 2632 03:18:35.360 --> 03:18:39.520 like seventeen, twenty third, twenty fourth, and they take all of these 2633 03:18:41.479 --> 03:18:46.760 one night only pay per views to satisfy these international contracts. None of these 2634 03:18:46.840 --> 03:18:50.440 involved matches of really any species. But they're just now like it's just all 2635 03:18:50.520 --> 03:18:54.040 starting to come undone. The wheels are coming off, and you realize all 2636 03:18:54.040 --> 03:18:58.479 they're doing is just rolling cameras for the sake of rolling cameras because they have 2637 03:18:58.600 --> 03:19:03.680 to, because they are parties that need content, and it's becoming a very 2638 03:19:03.719 --> 03:19:07.200 apparent that that's the case. But they do, after their contracts laps to 2639 03:19:07.239 --> 03:19:11.719 provide US pay per view content drastically reduce their calendar. At first, the 2640 03:19:11.799 --> 03:19:15.719 thought was they were going to go from twelve pay per views to like seven, 2641 03:19:15.760 --> 03:19:18.879 but they end up going to just four. They do a Genesis show 2642 03:19:18.920 --> 03:19:22.719 in January of two thou thirteen, and then they don't do another one until 2643 03:19:22.719 --> 03:19:26.559 the March tenth. Pardon me, Lockdown was not in Philadelphia. I'm thinking 2644 03:19:26.600 --> 03:19:30.360 of the Bound for Glory show. Lockdown that we're going to cover here with 2645 03:19:30.440 --> 03:19:33.600 BULLI Ray was in San Antonio, Texas. And they do Slam Aversaries. 2646 03:19:33.639 --> 03:19:37.959 Does it matter, Oh, of course, it's massively significant. They do 2647 03:19:39.040 --> 03:19:41.799 Slam Adversary in Boston, and they do Bound for Glory later that year, 2648 03:19:41.840 --> 03:19:48.600 after Hogan has left Brother Indeed, so no more pay per views in the 2649 03:19:48.639 --> 03:19:50.520 Impact Zone, no more television taping is They're going to go exclusively on the 2650 03:19:50.639 --> 03:19:54.920 road and tape two shows at a time, so they're going to do it. 2651 03:19:54.239 --> 03:19:58.079 They terminated their lease with Universal for the Impact Zone at the end of 2652 03:19:58.159 --> 03:20:01.920 March twenty thirteen. According to The Server and Meltzer reports, there has been 2653 03:20:01.920 --> 03:20:05.520 a lot of locker room on happiness when word got out that for the TV 2654 03:20:05.639 --> 03:20:07.399 tapings they would be paid as if it was one show, even if they 2655 03:20:07.440 --> 03:20:13.120 appeared on both shows taped. So this is another sign of cracks where they're 2656 03:20:13.120 --> 03:20:18.440 telling this talent, we're going on the road. Okay, we're changing things. 2657 03:20:18.520 --> 03:20:20.280 It's not that you show up, tape four weeks of television, get 2658 03:20:20.319 --> 03:20:24.000 paid for four weeks of television and go home. Yeah, you go on 2659 03:20:24.079 --> 03:20:28.000 the road. You're going to tape two weeks of television, but you're only 2660 03:20:28.079 --> 03:20:31.440 going to be paid as if we tapped one week. You're just going to 2661 03:20:31.479 --> 03:20:35.680 be paid for showing up. It's not going to be to all of a 2662 03:20:35.719 --> 03:20:41.639 sudden. This income is shrinking drastically for so many of these TEENA regulars because 2663 03:20:41.680 --> 03:20:45.479 even though they're taping two shows, they're only being paid to show up that 2664 03:20:45.600 --> 03:20:50.559 night. Not good, Elsa writes. Most wrestlers in the company are on 2665 03:20:50.639 --> 03:20:52.159 per show deals, and since they rotate, people at house shows and run 2666 03:20:52.239 --> 03:20:54.920 limited crews. The only shows at the full crew or at least the main 2667 03:20:56.000 --> 03:21:00.159 crew is consistently on would be the TVs. Before they were mostly taping one 2668 03:21:00.200 --> 03:21:03.239 show at a time in Orlando, whether live or on tape. Now they 2669 03:21:03.280 --> 03:21:05.959 are taping two shows starting this week in Chicago, but the vast majority will 2670 03:21:05.959 --> 03:21:09.520 be getting paid for one show and thus make half as much over the course 2671 03:21:09.559 --> 03:21:15.200 of a year for television shots. So all of a sudden, Hogan Bischoff 2672 03:21:15.200 --> 03:21:20.280 are here and we're getting paid half as much. You tell me why so 2673 03:21:20.440 --> 03:21:24.600 many you know, middling wrestlers in TNA look back at Hogan and Bischoff is 2674 03:21:24.719 --> 03:21:28.680 ruining the company because they're fucking pig. I couldn't have all. That's not 2675 03:21:28.879 --> 03:21:30.879 us. It's not us, book guys. No, no, no, 2676 03:21:31.040 --> 03:21:35.319 it's not us, brother whatever. I didn't do that. All I know 2677 03:21:35.479 --> 03:21:37.959 is I'm making half as much as I did before you got here. And 2678 03:21:37.120 --> 03:21:41.719 that's not all I know is that, dude. All I know is that 2679 03:21:41.760 --> 03:21:45.760 I'm making three times as much as here, and I don't care what you 2680 03:21:45.879 --> 03:21:48.959 say about what budget it comes out of. That is not the vision that 2681 03:21:48.159 --> 03:21:52.840 was sold when you guys came in here at a buck five for hope million 2682 03:21:52.959 --> 03:21:56.879 five up to two with incentives, and then a bishof at four fifty to 2683 03:21:56.959 --> 03:22:01.479 produce the show Give Me a Freak. Speaking of Bischoff, Bischoff and Jason 2684 03:22:01.520 --> 03:22:05.399 Hervey Entertainment announced the acquisition around this point in time, late twenty twelve of 2685 03:22:05.520 --> 03:22:09.520 a fifty percent equity stake in a company boss called MX Digital. They developed 2686 03:22:09.559 --> 03:22:16.239 casino style betting games for online platforms and mobile game platforms. This hit the 2687 03:22:16.280 --> 03:22:18.399 business one. What is what does Eric Bischoff want to do? He want 2688 03:22:20.239 --> 03:22:26.040 fasting companies and make money what he wants he does. That's why he went 2689 03:22:26.079 --> 03:22:31.840 bankrupt. And this is the tragedy. You know, Hulk Coogan couldn't make 2690 03:22:31.879 --> 03:22:37.520 a go of it stringing together or living outside of doing pro wrestling. He's 2691 03:22:37.600 --> 03:22:39.719 Hulk Coogan, for God's sakes. That's the whole point of this thing, 2692 03:22:39.879 --> 03:22:45.319 as tnh thing. As he ends up damn near destitute and he's the most 2693 03:22:45.319 --> 03:22:48.040 successful wrestler of all time. Where do you think? What chance do you 2694 03:22:48.079 --> 03:22:52.440 think Bischoff is essentially a Hogan hanger on has of stringing together a living that 2695 03:22:52.559 --> 03:22:56.879 befits the amount of money he made in the WCW Boom period. Not not 2696 03:22:56.079 --> 03:22:58.799 very good. But he's out there playing pretend. You know, he's out 2697 03:22:58.799 --> 03:23:03.360 there, you know, pitching reality shows at a time when Cable had a 2698 03:23:03.399 --> 03:23:05.280 voracious appetite for them, and he's got the Jason Hervey backing, so he 2699 03:23:05.399 --> 03:23:09.639 sells a lot of shows. But it turns out it's not really it's just 2700 03:23:09.680 --> 03:23:15.360 the market forces are blowing in his direction. It's it's not really something you 2701 03:23:15.399 --> 03:23:18.479 can chalk up to like an innatibility that he has. And to his credit, 2702 03:23:18.520 --> 03:23:20.360 he's pretty honest about that. It's hard not to be when everybody knows 2703 03:23:20.360 --> 03:23:24.879 you went bankrupt because it's a public record, and he kind of takes the 2704 03:23:24.959 --> 03:23:26.600 opportunity in his second book to try to spin a yarn about why. That 2705 03:23:28.399 --> 03:23:31.719 just comes down to his just insatiable appetite for risk. Boss. He's just 2706 03:23:31.639 --> 03:23:37.040 he's just ready to take a risk, risks like this. I know Bischoffervy 2707 03:23:37.120 --> 03:23:41.040 Entertainment Television today. This is December eighteenth, two thou and twelve, according 2708 03:23:41.040 --> 03:23:43.559 to the Business Wire, announced the acquisition of a fifty percent equity stake in 2709 03:23:43.719 --> 03:23:48.959 MX Digital, a leading games developer established in two thousand and eight. MX 2710 03:23:48.040 --> 03:23:52.799 Digital as a leading developer of interactive casino and betting games that are delivered in 2711 03:23:52.799 --> 03:23:56.479 a variety of online and mobile platforms, with offices in Los Angeles, Hey 2712 03:23:56.600 --> 03:24:00.840 know, Buenos Aires and Miami. MX develops in distrybutes games in more than 2713 03:24:00.840 --> 03:24:03.920 twenty countries with a heavy focus on proven brands. They are industry leaders in 2714 03:24:05.040 --> 03:24:09.719 game design, game marketing, and promotion. We're incredibly excited about our partnership 2715 03:24:09.760 --> 03:24:13.479 with MX. We're expanding into an entirely new sector of entertainment and content, 2716 03:24:13.559 --> 03:24:18.200 says Eric Bischoff, who along with Jason Hervey, founded BHTV in two thousand 2717 03:24:18.200 --> 03:24:26.680 and three. Combining the skill sets of bishof Hervey Entertainment with those at MX 2718 03:24:26.760 --> 03:24:30.879 puts us at a unique advantage in this explosive business sector, noted Bischoff, 2719 03:24:31.159 --> 03:24:35.520 business sector. That's that's always a mark of a high level operative, calling 2720 03:24:35.559 --> 03:24:41.879 it a business sector. BHTV has been a leading producer of reality programming for 2721 03:24:43.000 --> 03:24:46.040 Discovery Channel, CMT, NBC, VH One, True TV, Spike TV, 2722 03:24:46.399 --> 03:24:50.920 and The CW. Recently, the company broke new ground by moving into 2723 03:24:50.959 --> 03:24:54.840 the scripted comedy genre. But the first season of c Dad Run starring Scott 2724 03:24:54.239 --> 03:24:58.399 Bayo and Curly airing at Nick at night. I mean, what the fuck 2725 03:24:58.639 --> 03:25:01.959 this is what he's up to when he's supposed to be running TENA for a 2726 03:25:01.000 --> 03:25:07.319 half million dollars a year. I don't understand is like he he he just 2727 03:25:07.479 --> 03:25:15.239 seems to I mean, look, I mean, you know he to me. 2728 03:25:16.959 --> 03:25:20.360 You know, they always say this, They always say, you know, 2729 03:25:20.520 --> 03:25:24.959 one of the one of the reasons why people should you know, um, 2730 03:25:28.799 --> 03:25:33.120 why people you know, young people should write scripts and like try to 2731 03:25:33.200 --> 03:25:39.239 get their sell their stuff, because they always say this, lesser, lesser 2732 03:25:39.399 --> 03:25:43.440 talented people are always getting this shit done. Yeah. Eric Bischoff is that 2733 03:25:43.639 --> 03:25:48.680 person. He is the lesser person. Yeah, he's why getting He's why 2734 03:25:48.760 --> 03:25:52.639 to owe it to yourself to try, because he's a testament right exactly, 2735 03:25:52.760 --> 03:25:58.600 because he's he's getting shit done and it all is stupid. It sucks, 2736 03:26:00.079 --> 03:26:05.440 and he just regurgitates the same shit over and over again. Stop using Scott 2737 03:26:05.680 --> 03:26:11.479 Bayo so true, you're gonna ride the Scott Bayo horse. Maybe they just 2738 03:26:11.520 --> 03:26:13.360 get together and talk about like the Tea Party and you know what I mean, 2739 03:26:13.719 --> 03:26:18.840 like anti government whatever. That's a big streak. He would go on 2740 03:26:18.959 --> 03:26:24.360 and like rance about Obama back then on social too, Bischoff, so you 2741 03:26:24.399 --> 03:26:28.079 can start to see the Scott bay Off Scott Scott Bayo crossover. He probably 2742 03:26:28.159 --> 03:26:31.879 knew what was his name? Oh my god, already forgot this fucking guy's 2743 03:26:31.959 --> 03:26:37.200 name. He was. It's like a he was like a Latin soap opera 2744 03:26:37.239 --> 03:26:43.000 star that jumped in with. Oh my god, I can't believe I'm forgetting 2745 03:26:43.040 --> 03:26:50.799 this guy's name. Who I think of him as? Um? Uh kind 2746 03:26:50.799 --> 03:26:58.959 of tantamount to uh tantamount antonius about a JR. Oh sure and the rest, 2747 03:26:58.600 --> 03:27:03.200 Um, you know the ones who like stopped getting booked in Hollywood and 2748 03:27:03.239 --> 03:27:07.000 go conservative. Yeah, right to extend you know, the paydays a bit? 2749 03:27:07.399 --> 03:27:11.440 Who to that? John Voight did that? Some others yeah, um, 2750 03:27:11.200 --> 03:27:18.920 Dennis Miller did it. So. Twenty fourteen, MX Digital um launches 2751 03:27:18.920 --> 03:27:24.360 a social casino app on Facebook. There are there Eyeing Boss, a billion, 2752 03:27:24.479 --> 03:27:31.520 multibillion dollar worldwide sector social casino slot games social meaning that you have a 2753 03:27:31.600 --> 03:27:35.680 profile, that it's on your phone and shit, MX sounds good to me. 2754 03:27:37.200 --> 03:27:41.479 MX Digital today announced the launch of its catalog of celebrity branded slot games 2755 03:27:41.520 --> 03:27:46.200 onto the MX Social Casino app on Facebook. I can't tell you how annoyed 2756 03:27:46.239 --> 03:27:48.799 I am by just those words you're repeating. The Next Digital currently develops and 2757 03:27:48.840 --> 03:27:58.920 distributes Waged Digital slot games internationally, featuring Halt Hogan, David Hasselhoff, James 2758 03:28:00.239 --> 03:28:03.879 Dean, Dennis Rodman. He's getting the crew back together from the fucking Turner 2759 03:28:03.959 --> 03:28:07.159 Days Man. Yeah right, seriously. MGM's Missing in Action starring Chuck Norris, 2760 03:28:07.479 --> 03:28:11.600 and recently announced distribution of the newest edition of their catalog, The Blues 2761 03:28:11.639 --> 03:28:16.280 Brothers with waged gaming powerhouse William Hill. We have been looking for the right 2762 03:28:16.399 --> 03:28:20.840 strategy and the right partner to expand into the social gaming sector for sometimes, 2763 03:28:20.879 --> 03:28:26.079 as Eric Bischoff of Bischoff Hervey Entertainment and co founder of MX Digital, we 2764 03:28:26.239 --> 03:28:31.559 have great brands with partners who have passionate social media fan basis who are anxious 2765 03:28:31.600 --> 03:28:35.920 to promote these games with us. As we recently announced, MX Digital has 2766 03:28:35.959 --> 03:28:41.639 partnered with data and analytics specialist traff Gen as in traffic Generator, whatever, 2767 03:28:41.959 --> 03:28:45.159 who recently announced expansion of the United States and his open offices in Las Vegas 2768 03:28:45.200 --> 03:28:48.319 and Chicago. Ike McFadden, co founder of MX Digital, said traff Gen 2769 03:28:48.440 --> 03:28:52.120 is a perfect partner. They offer a variety of marketing and technology services to 2770 03:28:52.159 --> 03:28:58.520 their clients and social, online, waged and land based casino industries. Excuse 2771 03:28:58.600 --> 03:29:03.520 me, so word leveraging like the Hulk Coogan IP. So you can download 2772 03:29:03.559 --> 03:29:05.399 a fucking casino app on your phone that is Hulk Coogan's face on it. 2773 03:29:05.760 --> 03:29:09.600 That's the marketing plan, or David Hasselhoff or any of these other celebrities who 2774 03:29:09.680 --> 03:29:13.360 probably just you know, fucking bitcoin style, just collect money and they don't 2775 03:29:13.360 --> 03:29:16.879 even care for dies. You know, just give me my fucking check, 2776 03:29:16.079 --> 03:29:22.079 thank you very much. So this is all going on. He's closing this 2777 03:29:22.159 --> 03:29:24.600 kind of deal when he's the executive producer of Impact, when the Aces and 2778 03:29:24.639 --> 03:29:30.639 eighth storyline is waging with the raging, I should say, with this tremendous 2779 03:29:30.840 --> 03:29:37.239 storyline progression. He turned out of Bischoff's book Grateful Great around the same time 2780 03:29:37.280 --> 03:29:43.959 as the abandon Wow, around the same time as the Abandoned Beer project. 2781 03:29:43.079 --> 03:29:46.520 That's the Buffalo Bill Cody beer that went nowhere that he did. We've talked 2782 03:29:46.520 --> 03:29:52.440 about that. Something else he's doing while pretending to run TNA I became not 2783 03:29:52.559 --> 03:29:54.440 No, he would not running. He says he was only involved with the 2784 03:29:54.520 --> 03:30:00.440 Hulkogan's creative I've forgot right Around the same time as the abandoned beer project, 2785 03:30:00.520 --> 03:30:03.000 I became heavily involved in the online gaming industry. While the time, gambling 2786 03:30:03.040 --> 03:30:05.959 in the US was fairly limited to Las Vegas, Atlantic City, or Indian 2787 03:30:07.000 --> 03:30:11.280 casinos, among other places, Europe was an entirely different environment. All over 2788 03:30:11.319 --> 03:30:13.520 the continent. You could come into storefronts to buy lottery tickets, play slot 2789 03:30:13.600 --> 03:30:16.399 machines, and indulge in other things to that effect. Therefore, I got 2790 03:30:16.479 --> 03:30:22.639 involved in celebrity branded digital slot machines, whereby shut up players throughout Europe in 2791 03:30:22.680 --> 03:30:24.280 certain parts of the world where it was legal, would play online games such 2792 03:30:24.280 --> 03:30:30.000 as Hulk Hogan's Hulkamania. Think leg dropped instead of bells and cherries. Oh 2793 03:30:30.120 --> 03:30:33.840 God, that's the business models. When you pull the slot instead of a 2794 03:30:33.959 --> 03:30:39.719 cherry, it's Hulk Hogan's face and the Haff featuring David Hasselhoff. We ended 2795 03:30:39.799 --> 03:30:41.600 up licensing games with Dennis Rod and Chuck Norris, Joe Frazier and the Blues 2796 03:30:41.639 --> 03:30:45.719 Brothers as well. It was a highly lucrative business at the outset. In 2797 03:30:45.760 --> 03:30:48.559 the end, however, that particular venture MX Digital cost all of us combined. 2798 03:30:48.760 --> 03:30:52.680 I was an the only investor and even bigger fortune think seven figures. 2799 03:30:54.200 --> 03:30:56.479 While we had done all of our homework, completed all of the necessary due 2800 03:30:56.520 --> 03:31:00.799 diligence, and partnered with the right people to make the idea successful, it 2801 03:31:00.879 --> 03:31:03.920 ultimately didn't work. We had entered a highly regulated business and seemingly overnight, 2802 03:31:03.959 --> 03:31:07.799 the regulations in Europe all changed. I had now depleted all of my resources, 2803 03:31:09.079 --> 03:31:13.479 including my retirement savings and everything else, because I really believed in both 2804 03:31:13.520 --> 03:31:18.399 the Buffalo Bill Cody and MX Digital projects. Everyone involved saw the same vision. 2805 03:31:18.879 --> 03:31:22.360 But each of those investments didn't work out for a variety of reasons that 2806 03:31:22.440 --> 03:31:30.799 couldn't really have been predicted. Er Bischoff soons, files for bankruptcy, and 2807 03:31:30.959 --> 03:31:35.040 one more thing. Eric Bischoff and Jason Hervey have a casting call out for 2808 03:31:35.079 --> 03:31:39.600 a proposed reality show about step rams and step daughters who are the same age. 2809 03:31:41.440 --> 03:31:46.200 They probably got the idea Meltzer Rights from Hulksheff ex wife and her boyfriend 2810 03:31:46.760 --> 03:31:48.159 who was working age