1 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,719 We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Jasinski, 2 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,559 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:23,559 --> 00:00:27,199 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr LST. 4 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,079 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts as well. Make sure 5 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:34,920 to subscribe to the premium version of our website too. We're joined today by 6 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,399 the one and only Liz Wheeler, who's here in person at the Federalist headquarters, 7 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,119 Liz, host of the Liz Wheeler Show. Of course, thank you 8 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,159 for joining us, Thank you for having me. You guys have a cool 9 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,399 set up here. Cool is one word for it. Ramshackle might be another. 10 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,359 But you have a crazy situation unfolding right now. Not surprising, not 11 00:00:54,439 --> 00:00:59,640 unpredictable, but crazy. Nonetheless, because you're slated to speak at James Madison 12 00:00:59,719 --> 00:01:03,719 Universe City on the twenty sixth of April, and as you just mentioned, 13 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:07,680 already not just like the day before, which is typical of campus lectures, 14 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,159 but already a week before. As we're talking today, things are getting really, 15 00:01:12,599 --> 00:01:18,359 really heated. The speech is titled the Ideology of Transgenderism in Disclosure. 16 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,599 I think it is sponsored by a Young America's Foundation where I work part time, 17 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,879 and they just do such a fantastic job with these events. Liz, 18 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:30,760 what is already happening a week before You're supposed to come to campus and give 19 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:38,560 a perfectly reasonable speech with a dissenting viewpoint from the campus I guess consensus on 20 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,879 what transgenderism is. Yeah, this is going to be a really fun event. 21 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,519 There is a lot of discussion, there's a lot of protests that are 22 00:01:45,519 --> 00:01:49,719 already cropping up. We will be streaming it live online just for anybody who 23 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,319 is not able to be there in person. So it'll be next Wednesday, 24 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:56,480 April twenty sixth at six pm. I did just get to strike against my 25 00:01:56,519 --> 00:01:59,799 YouTube channel, so TBD where this will be live stream but you can go 26 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:05,079 to YAFTV that their YouTube channel to watch to watch it live streaming. Yeah, 27 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:07,039 this, this speech is so it's so funny to hear the response from 28 00:02:07,039 --> 00:02:13,479 the transgender activists on campus. We have the James Madison University Debate team issued 29 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,800 a statement condemning me and condemning this conversation. That was my particular favorite because 30 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,879 it's the debate team. It's the debate team in their excuse. I read 31 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:24,319 their whole statement. It was very long. It would not have if I'm 32 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,280 the coach of their debate team, I would not have been proud of the 33 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:30,919 statement. And the reason that they don't want me to come to campus is 34 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,560 because they say I'm not a good faith I'm not taking a good faith position 35 00:02:34,599 --> 00:02:36,879 here, and I'm really truly interested. I hope they show up to the 36 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:38,000 speech. I'm really truly interested to ask them what they mean by that. 37 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,000 There's of course a lot of transgender activists who are saying that I'm hateful. 38 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,520 I don't. I don't hate anyone. I don't hate transgender people or people 39 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,560 who identify as transgender. I don't hate people who suffer from genders. For 40 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,240 you, I actually cared deeply about these people. That's why I want to 41 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,439 go and talk to them. There was a state representative actually from Connecticut who 42 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:00,360 is an alumni of JMU, I believe, who accuse me of saying that 43 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,759 I want to that I want to eradicate transgender people or I want them not 44 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,520 to exist. And this is my question for the For all the people who 45 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,280 are going to be outside, I think there's going to be this this quote 46 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:16,080 unquote queer safe space with maybe um with with some transgender people there. I 47 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,360 don't know if it's exactly a drag show, I'm not. I'm not super 48 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,039 clear on what that protest is going to be, but there's there's clearly going 49 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,439 to be some protests. But my question for the students, especially given the 50 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,840 lies that are being being told, I of course never said any such thing, 51 00:03:29,319 --> 00:03:31,400 is this woman is willing to tell you this lie. It's the monster 52 00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:38,599 Billy falls. If she's willing to tell you this lie, what else has 53 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:42,199 she lied to you about? What else have the has the left lied to 54 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,759 you about? What else is queer theory lying to you about? Because you 55 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,439 and I know that that the transgender ideology is a lie. We know that 56 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,719 men or men and women or women, and you can't A man can't be 57 00:03:51,759 --> 00:03:53,360 a woman just because he feels like one, and a woman can't be a 58 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,840 man just because she wants to identify as a man. That's just that's not 59 00:03:55,919 --> 00:03:59,680 based in reality. It's not real. And so when you step back, 60 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,120 you step back from this, you realize, Okay, well, somebody's telling 61 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,520 a lie here right. I'm sitting here and saying I don't hate transgender people. 62 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,680 Of course I don't. I'm saying I actually care deeply about you. 63 00:04:08,719 --> 00:04:12,639 I love you as as fellow children of God. The transgender ideology, the 64 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,160 activists are saying the same thing to these people. They're saying, we love 65 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:17,199 you, we want to take care of you, we have the best interest. 66 00:04:17,319 --> 00:04:21,399 Both things can't be true because what we want for these people are radically 67 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:25,519 different. They're an opposite ends of the spectrum. So what that leaves is 68 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,560 a situation where one of us is lying it's either me or it's them. 69 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,519 And what I want to talk to these these students, both the students that 70 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,519 already agree with me, these wonderful students from the Young America's Foundation who have 71 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:43,000 courageously put on this event despite the intense backlash from their fellow students, and 72 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:46,680 also all of those people who are so upset who feel that my presence on 73 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,079 their campus is a form of quote unquote violence, which, of course I 74 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,920 say this laughingly, because of course it's not. Of course it's not violence 75 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,560 at all. It's it's of course free speech. But it's more than that, 76 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:00,680 I'm there because I care about I care about you. I'm there because 77 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,800 I want the best for your life and if you're given this situation where one 78 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,720 of us is lying to you, I want to make the case that the 79 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:13,920 people lying to the students are the queer theorists. In that case, of 80 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,199 course, between you and I know is a very easy case to make. 81 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,519 But I want to reach the hearts of these students. I want to reach 82 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:23,879 the minds of these students who are being exploited by queer theorists. Queer theory, 83 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:27,519 as we know, is not just the idea of tolerance and inclusion and 84 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,600 equality under the law. We all agree with that, we all want equal 85 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,720 rights for all people. We don't want people discriminated against and deprive basic human 86 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:39,319 rights based on their lifestyle choices. But queer theory is not inclusion, intolerance, 87 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,480 and equality. Queer theory is a Marxist ideology. Some people listening maybe 88 00:05:43,519 --> 00:05:46,399 like, well, that's a little bit extreme. It's not queer theory if 89 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:51,439 you look into the origins. It poses this idea that lgbt QIA people are 90 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,360 so marginalized that they need to revolt against their so called oppressors. This is 91 00:05:56,399 --> 00:06:02,279 the classic Marxist dialectic, and the oppressors in this situation are painted to be 92 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:10,000 the white, straight ciss Christian people. And so when we see this agitation 93 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,399 on campus, these transgender activists that are claiming that my words are violence and 94 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:15,040 claiming that they need to do something to stop my hate speech, this is 95 00:06:15,079 --> 00:06:18,120 exactly what queer theory is calling for. And I'm that's why I'm going to 96 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,000 campus to tell them the truth. It's so important when people accuse you of 97 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:30,040 being hateful to say no, you're thinking of Michael Knowles kidding, of course, 98 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,480 Michael did a great job in the side debate this week between him. 99 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:36,480 Yeah, that stuff was crazy, huh, fantastic. I actually was going 100 00:06:36,519 --> 00:06:39,959 to ask you about queer theory next, because you've been talking about it a 101 00:06:40,079 --> 00:06:43,680 lot recently, which is helpful because I think if people haven't been on a 102 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,839 college campus in the last ten fifteen years, they may have never encountered queer 103 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,879 theory by that name. It's seeped into pop culture, of course, but 104 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:58,279 queer theories you've been looking into it tell us more about the kind of cultural 105 00:06:58,319 --> 00:07:00,639 Marxism that's behind it, and tell us more about where we have seen it 106 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:06,920 start to take over popular culture, academia and the way that we approach each 107 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:11,360 other as human beings. Basically yes, yeah, So, Emily, I 108 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:14,160 gotta tell you this is such a black hole, like this black hole of 109 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,839 nastiness to go down. I've read the founding documents, I've read the quote 110 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:24,160 unquote academic academic dissertations on queer theory, and would what I would how I 111 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,639 would explain it to people? How would I explain to the people that we're 112 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,800 talking to today. Is five years ago, maybe not even five years ago, 113 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,759 two years ago, three years ago, when critical race theory started to 114 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:38,040 become prominent, we didn't know what critical race theory was. Right, we 115 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,720 understood that this poisonous idea that was being taught to our children, that white 116 00:07:42,759 --> 00:07:45,920 children are racist just inherently based on the fact that they're white, and black 117 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,560 children are pressed based just on their skin color. That we understood that this 118 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:50,680 was bad, that this was wrong. We didn't want this to be taught 119 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:56,040 to our children. And meanwhile, as we were recognizing that this was bad 120 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,399 and asking well, where did this come from? What is this and how 121 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:01,360 did it become so pervasive in our schools and in our corporations, in our 122 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:05,399 culture, at the same time, the left was telling us that critical race 123 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,560 theory was just teaching history accurately. You know, they said, oh, 124 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,000 if critical race theory is nothing more than making sure that students are educated and 125 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:18,720 knowing that some things that happened in the United States around race before the Civil 126 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,040 rights movement and obviously slavery the founding of our country were not good things to 127 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:26,920 happen. And so you had this confusing ball of a narrative that needed to 128 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:33,799 be untangled, and eventually we were able to completely disentangle truth from falsehood, 129 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,159 and we were able to establish that note that the principle that was being taught 130 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:39,039 to children that white kids are racist and black kids are oppressed, that's critical 131 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,879 race theory. It's not history. Critical race theory is a neo Marxist ideology 132 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:46,200 that's actually in the intent of it. The goal of it is the same 133 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,919 thing as queer theory. The goal of it is to pit one demographic of 134 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,120 people, black people, against another demographic, white people, in order to 135 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:56,519 create this revolution. So queer theory is the same thing. It is a 136 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,960 neo Marxist critical theory. And if you read the founding document, it's called 137 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:09,320 Thinking Sex. It's written by a big fat lesbian named Gale Ruben. It's 138 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:13,639 the most disturbing document, Queer Theory, posits all of the things that children 139 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:16,919 are being taught about gender identity. It contends that there is no such thing 140 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:20,919 as biological sex, that gender is a spectrum, that it is how you 141 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,159 identify all of these things that are associated. We see this in schools now 142 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:26,039 too, and parents are like, wait a second, we don't want children 143 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,440 taught about this stuff. We don't want neo pronouns, they themses or none 144 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,879 of that stuff. And we're at the exact same point with queer theory as 145 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:35,919 we were with critical race theory, where parents are like, that's bad, 146 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,519 that's wrong, we don't want it with our children, and we're untangling where 147 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:43,279 it came from. So where it came from, Like critical race theory, 148 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,919 the fund the ideological underpinning of the transgender ideology is queer theory. But queer 149 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:54,919 theory doesn't just stop at the destructive narratives around the reality of sex and gender. 150 00:09:54,159 --> 00:10:00,080 Queer theory advocates for the sexualization of children. Queer theory advocates defends the 151 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,279 authoress of this founding document of queer theory, defends child pornography, defends outright 152 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:11,279 pedophilia, expresses sympathy for pedophiles who are put in prison and says that we 153 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,840 as a culture, twenty years down the road, are going to regret imprisoning 154 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,399 men who quote unquote love underage youth, Like, does that just make your 155 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:24,320 stomach turn? It's absolutely disgusting. And the point of this, the point 156 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,320 of this queer of this queer theory, is not what the left says. 157 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:31,080 Just like the left says, oh, critical race theory is teaching about slavery, 158 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,279 teaching history. The left says, queer theory is about inclusion and tolerance 159 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,159 and equality. It is not. It is about creating one demographic, agitating 160 00:10:39,159 --> 00:10:43,679 one demographic, telling them that they're so marginalized. We saw this trans Day 161 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,440 of Visibility, the Transday of Vengeance. They're telling them that they're on the 162 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:50,120 verge of a genocide. They're telling them that they they're not safe in spaces. 163 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:56,519 They're putting the fear of an existential extinction in their bodies and their hearts 164 00:10:56,519 --> 00:10:58,759 and their minds. And we all know what that feels like to feel that 165 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:05,120 it's it's awful, and it does It creates desperation, and that's exactly what 166 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,559 queer theorists want. They want that fear, that that exploitation of a vulnerability 167 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,600 of the mental health issues that these children and young people feel, and they 168 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,559 want those people to revolt. They want those LGBTQ identifying people to revolt against 169 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:24,840 our conventional narrative. And I say conventional narrative because that's a prevailing narrative. 170 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:28,720 Is the Marxist term for it. Against the prevailing narrative on sex and gender, 171 00:11:28,759 --> 00:11:33,440 which is reality, it's biology, it's oriented in Judeo Christian values, 172 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,919 it is what our society is built on. The goal, the ultimate goal 173 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:39,879 of queer theory, like critical race theory, is the destruction of our society. 174 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,240 And this is a really important point and why I really like the title 175 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:48,840 of your speech, the ideology of transgenderism, because there is an ideology behind 176 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:52,879 it. Now tell us how it's I think this is crucial. They get 177 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:56,720 from point A to point B when it comes to sex and gender and then 178 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,120 child pornography, normalizing pedophilia. Ideologically, take us on that train that they 179 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,519 go down to get from point A to point B, because that, I 180 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:11,000 think is at the heart of everything here. It is that's why we're seeing 181 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:16,200 the drag queen story hours right at public libraries where men dressed up as women 182 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,480 and not just as normal women. In these sexualized caricatures of women, often 183 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,519 scantily clad, are reading and performing for toddlers and preschoolers. That's why we 184 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,240 see the drag shows for children. I mean everyone has seen this. This 185 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:31,159 is this is the controversy of the day. States across the country or even 186 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,320 like banning these banning these drag shows for children because it's inappropriate. You wouldn't 187 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,679 take your child to a strip club, you're not allowed. You wouldn't take 188 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,360 your child into a into a bar, you're not allowed. You wouldn't take 189 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,440 your child to a casino, You're not allowed. Why are you allowed to 190 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,879 take your child to this? Well, Queer theory hinges on the complete destruction 191 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:50,559 of all social sexual morays, right, and so they specifically target the sexual 192 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:56,279 innocence of children, the innocence overall of children. They understand that in order 193 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,799 to in order to transform children, transform children from what they are right now, 194 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:07,039 which is a part of a family unit, a nuclear family unit, 195 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,399 and they are they are being taught and formed and shaped by their parents and 196 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,919 their parents' values. In order to separate children from parents, which is a 197 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,039 communist Marxist thing. Right, that's the tenant of communism and Marxism is the 198 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,960 collective rearing of children is the destruction of the nuclear family. They understand that. 199 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,919 In order to do that, they first have to tell children that their 200 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,000 identity is inherently bad. This is what they do with critical race theory. 201 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,919 They tell children, listen, you're white, and it's not because of anything 202 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:35,159 you've done, anything you've said, anything you feel. It's just because the 203 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,000 sins of other white people who lived hundreds of years before you, and you 204 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:43,159 benefit from the privilege of the oppression that they inflicted on black people. You're 205 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:48,080 irredeemable. There's nothing you can do to escape the privilege that you experience. 206 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,120 And the privilege meaning what they mean when they say privilege, is that you're 207 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:52,799 perpetuating that oppression to this day on other people. But there's nothing you can 208 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,679 do about it because the institutional structures are in place. So they come in 209 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,879 and they create this literal identity crisis in children. Right, Children have this 210 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,279 self loathing and they turn against their parents. They hate their parents for this 211 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,279 because who made them in this bad identity? Their parents did their parents made 212 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,120 them in this bad identity. So then queer theory comes in and offers them 213 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:15,200 redemption, offers to pick these children up off the floor after their identity has 214 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,840 been destroyed, and it says, listen, you don't have to be an 215 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:20,120 oppressor, you don't have to be a bad person. You can choose to 216 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,360 be part of the marginalized, which, as we know, for a long 217 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:28,480 time in our culture, victims have been elevated. The left is celebrated victimhood. 218 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,840 They've made that a badge of honor. It's not something that you overcome, 219 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:35,639 it's not something that you are proud to have abandon. It becomes part 220 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:39,679 of your identity. In leftist ideology, queer theory comes in and tells these 221 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,039 young children, if you just choose to be queer, if you reject the 222 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:48,600 institutional norms that your parents and your grandparents have handed down, these same people 223 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,799 that the children are told have been oppressing people throughout the ages, then you 224 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,840 can actually be redeemed. And in the course of doing this, the only 225 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:00,000 thing that you have, the only thing that children have to give up, 226 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,279 it's fealty to their family, to their God, and to their country. 227 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:07,360 And so through I call it a one two punch first comes critical race theory, 228 00:15:07,399 --> 00:15:11,799 then comes queer theory, and it is an incredibly effective grooming tactic to 229 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:20,759 transform children into um into Marxist revolutionaries. And so the destruction of the innocence 230 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:22,919 of children is a key part of this. So can we talk about why 231 00:15:24,039 --> 00:15:30,000 moral relativism and the destruction of truth that comes with moral relativism is absolutely the 232 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,080 key block. It was like the first domino to fall that led us to 233 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:37,840 right now, because it seems like when you really probe queer theory, you 234 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,720 end up at that same spot that there is no one truth. Yeah, 235 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:43,279 well, I mean, and this has been something that we've seen in our 236 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,799 culture for decades. For a couple of decades, moral relativism. I mean 237 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:50,360 in the early two thousands, now, wasn't that was the culture war, 238 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,879 right, like, don't don't that's moral, morally relativistic, Like that was 239 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:56,440 the worst insult that you could get. But that's just a precursor. They 240 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,519 were. They were paving the way for the destruction of truth. Without destruction 241 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:03,240 of truth, critical race theory wouldn't be possible, Queer theory wouldn't be possible, 242 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:06,440 and Marxism wouldn't be possible. That's why you can go all the way 243 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,480 back to Marx and Engles, the original Marxists to look at what they wanted 244 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:15,440 to do. They knew they had to destroy objective reality, they knew they 245 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,759 had to destroys. I mean, Marxism is at its core an atheistic, 246 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,200 an atheistic ideology, and it's it's it's maybe even worse than an atheistic ideology, 247 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,840 because it's not just a repudiation of Christianity and of God, it's a 248 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:33,759 reputa. It's in some ways a Satanic, a satanic ideology because it has 249 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:36,440 to be right. It has to be in order to reject natural law, 250 00:16:36,759 --> 00:16:38,759 our our nation. And I know this is really unpopular with libertarians. In 251 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:44,240 full disclosure, I have had such a transformation from my previously libertarian roots. 252 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:47,399 I think we all write embrace libertarianism in our early twenties when we were like, 253 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:48,679 yeah, I don't do anything, get off my lawn, and I 254 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,480 realized that that's that's a historical in our country, right, Historically in our 255 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:56,000 country, Yes, the Declaration of Independence might have been based in a more 256 00:16:56,039 --> 00:17:00,399 libertarian idea that the government should be as absolutely as limited as possible and less 257 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,680 and their role is only to protect our country from foreign threat, to protect 258 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,720 people's rights. But truthfully, the constitution is not based in libertarianism at all. 259 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:14,240 It's based more in an Edmund Burke philosophy, and Edmund Burke's philosophy was 260 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:19,039 that liberty ordered liberty. He defined liberty as as not absolute liberty, but 261 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:26,440 as justice that a society rooted in ordered liberty is a society that pursues justice. 262 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,759 And so the natural question there is to ask, okay, but what 263 00:17:29,839 --> 00:17:34,759 is justice then? Well? Edmund Burke defined justice as uppercase original justice, 264 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,519 justice that derives from the author of original justice, which is an acknowledgement that 265 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,160 natural law exists within us. All. So our nation was actually founded. 266 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,559 Our constitution is rooted in the idea that we as a people, you don't 267 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:52,359 have to worship God if you don't want, you're free to do that. 268 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,799 We're not a theocracy. But our nation was rooted in the acknowledgement of natural 269 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,400 law, the acknowledgment in the reality of a creator and reality that the Creator 270 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:06,119 created for us. And so I know this is a long circle. But 271 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,759 bringing it back to moral relativism, moral relativism when I say it's atheistic, 272 00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:14,279 when I say it's satanic when when you have an ideology that has in its 273 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,200 in its object the destruction of reality, that that ideology is actually trying to 274 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,400 destroy natural law. And the only the only thing that tries to destroy natural 275 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,720 law and knowing that it is of God, is the one who hates God. 276 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,839 And so our country. I mean this, I know, this is 277 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:33,200 how we stuff. I know people a lot of times don't want to mix 278 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:34,359 religion in politics. They want to say, like, yeah, great, 279 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,839 let's protect religious liberty, but politics should be as secular as possible. I 280 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,880 just don't. I don't believe in that anymore. I don't believe that that's 281 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:48,240 possible to have a thriving, prosperous nation where we've completely we've completely rejected reality. 282 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:51,359 Because when you reject reality, this is what you get. You get 283 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,079 queer theory, you get critical race theory. And the only actual way to 284 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,920 build a society around reality is to examine what is reality. And when you 285 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,759 examine it without bias, you find that the answer to what reality is is 286 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:06,640 natural law, which is from God. Yeah, there's no consensus in a 287 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,880 morally relativistic world. There's either a consensus that there is no consensus an anarchy 288 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,640 or the government has a monopoly on everything, right, And I always call 289 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:21,839 that if politicians, just through voting have the power to redefine words, then 290 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:25,400 there they become the arbiters of truth. And if they're the arbiters of truth, 291 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,759 if that isn't even is such a thing, then that's authoritarian, yeah, 292 00:19:27,799 --> 00:19:30,839 which is exactly what they want, right right, exactly. And this 293 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:36,400 is really interesting because I think there's something to be said about taking a message 294 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,799 like this onto a college campus that is different than the way that I think 295 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:44,960 maybe conservatives of generation before us we're communicating. And that's not to say some 296 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,119 people were doing I mean there are a lot of people that were doing this 297 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,319 very well, but coming in and saying I don't hate you, this ideology 298 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,480 hates you, yes, and this is bad for you. This is not 299 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,680 compassionate. That I think is really powerful right now, And I want to 300 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,720 ask about your experience, not just on campus, but as someone who's super 301 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:10,759 popular online talking in stark, bold terms about these problems. Is that drawing 302 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,400 you think, more people, more people's curiosity, and more people who maybe 303 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:22,400 have been saturated in this secular culture to say, you know, there's like 304 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,680 a truth shaped hole inside of me, not just a God shaped hole, 305 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,440 but also truth shaped hole, right right, yes, yes, yes, 306 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,720 yeah, I think Listen, there are a lot of people and I don't 307 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:37,119 I don't necessarily mean this, mean this negatively, but there are a lot 308 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,759 of people in politics who are sensationalists. They say things just to be bombastic, 309 00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:42,240 just to get clicks. And this is true on both sides of the 310 00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:49,039 aisle. And I have always from the beginning of my career committed to letting 311 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:55,720 the truth be sensational and not not to engage in sensationalism or bombastic behavior because 312 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,079 I don't think that that's an honest way too. I don't think that that's 313 00:20:59,079 --> 00:21:03,359 the way that I want to be have in in what I'm doing. Um 314 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,759 that being said, I am very blunt. That's how I am in my 315 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:11,279 regular life, right like outside of Politiday. You could just ask my husband, 316 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:15,200 ask my sisters. She just corrected Chris Bedford on some tenets of Catholicism 317 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,119 before we started taping, and Bedford is an audience favorite, so listeners will 318 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,799 be glad to know that. Well, we'll have to do an episode on 319 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:26,519 that because I'm pretty sure he's wrong. But I'll be and I'm Catholic too, 320 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:30,440 by the way, Um, we were arguing about confession. This is 321 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,559 going to go off on a tangent in real quay. It was awesome. 322 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:37,480 I love to watch him be wrong. He could be right, he could 323 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:42,279 be right, but on that remains to be seen. Pregnant pause. Um, 324 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,799 but yeah, that's the Oh, the boldness, the boldness, bluntness 325 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:52,119 in the bombassade. Guess Um it's more compassionate, it is, But I 326 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:55,680 think it's I think it's worth doing at the same time because it's true, 327 00:21:56,079 --> 00:21:57,880 right. I talk about this often, like when we were talking about this 328 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,880 speech. When we were preparing for this speech, my team and I preparing 329 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,160 for the speech, what we do is we talk about what's the purpose of 330 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,759 us being there? What do we what do we You know, these these 331 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:08,839 wonderful students that invite us from YAF what do they want to hear? What 332 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,880 do they want from their campus? Why are they fighting this fight? Who 333 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:17,599 is the opposition and what are they opposed to? Where is their misunderstanding? 334 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,640 Where is their pain? Where is their trauma? Um? The Left has 335 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:29,480 been very effective at harnessing and weaponizing emotion and pain in people to point people 336 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:37,160 towards towards political policies, politicians and personal ideology that's ultimately self destructive. And 337 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:41,160 I mean, I know that this is an age old tactic to exploit people's 338 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,640 emotions, but these these young people are hurting. You don't you don't engage 339 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,160 in queer theory. You don't mutilate your body in the in the name of 340 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,359 the transgender ideology. You don't reject the fund the basis of who you are, 341 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:56,839 if you haven't already been violated, if you haven't already been traumatized. 342 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,079 I mean, my heart breaks for these for these young people because often they're 343 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:06,359 suffering from other coal morbidities, right They're suffering from anxiety and depression and bipolar 344 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,960 and maybe schizophrenia and gender disorders, disassociative disorders. I can't imagine that. 345 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:15,359 I do try to put myself in the shoes of people who are suffering and 346 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,559 people who have embraced a different ideology, because I want to understand why they 347 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:22,960 did that, why they embrace that, And the more I look into it, 348 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,640 it makes me feel emotional, actually because the more I look into it. 349 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:30,000 Oftentimes, these young people who take on these new identities have been horribly 350 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:37,200 abused. They've been sexually abused, they've been physically abused. And what often 351 00:23:37,279 --> 00:23:41,759 happens in those situations is that creates and this is like a post traumatic reaction, 352 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:47,359 is that creates this self loathing. They hate this body that betrayed them. 353 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:49,599 They hate this body that was abused by someone else because it was violated 354 00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:52,559 and rejected by someone else, and they feel gross, they feel used, 355 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:56,839 they feel damage, And what ends up happening as a coping mechanism is they 356 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,920 try to disassociate from that body. If only they could escape this body, 357 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,680 they wouldn't have been violated. If only they could escape this body, they 358 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,359 wouldn't have been abused. Someone else did it. That means it makes them 359 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,720 feel dirty, It makes them feel bad, like it breaks my heart to 360 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,440 think of these young people feeling like this. And so what they do is 361 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:18,240 they're vulnerable because they're already wanting to disassociate from this trauma that's been inflicted on 362 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:22,960 them. And here comes this evil ideology, these evil people propagating queer theory, 363 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,559 telling them that the answer to their trauma is to actually reject their body 364 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:33,839 and to mutilate their body with pharmaceuticals and surgery and that's so evil. It's 365 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,559 so evil to use those children that have been hurting. And so I'm not 366 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:41,200 just saying that I care about these students because I want to surprise them by 367 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,400 saying that. I'm not just saying, oh, someone's lying to you because 368 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,960 I'm trying to win a political debate. I cared deeply about these young people. 369 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,240 I cared deeply about their bodies and their minds and their souls. And 370 00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:56,519 they're being used, they're being harmed, they're being irrevocably damaged. And the 371 00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:59,799 truth of the matter is it's never going to make them feel physically better, 372 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:02,400 it's never going to make them feel emotionally better, it's never going to make 373 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,039 them spiritually better. What's going to happen is the left is going to use 374 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:11,559 them as as essentially cultural kama causes and discard them, discard them. We 375 00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:18,079 see this with the young people who have transitioned and regret the detransitioners. Queer 376 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,519 theorists just abandoned them. They don't care about the feelings that they're feeling now, 377 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,119 they don't care about this identity crisis they're suffering. Now. They've already 378 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,279 use them and abuse them and discarded them, and that's so evil. I 379 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:32,160 can't stand by and let that happened. I want to talk directly to these 380 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,000 students who have been hurt and tell them that there's a better way. This 381 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:38,880 reminds me of a point you've also been making about the bud Light boycotts, 382 00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:45,599 because the media has treated this as a silly side show conservatives famenting the culture 383 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,480 war, of course, completely missing that Conservats are in response or we're on 384 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:52,160 our heels. We're responding to something that the left at bud Light did, 385 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:59,000 the left at this massive corporation did. But on that note, why is 386 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:03,920 it so important from your perspective for conservatives to take this seriously, even though 387 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,519 it's as unserious as an actual man in a dress pretending to be a woman 388 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:14,240 in a very offensive way, sponsored of course by a major corporation, many 389 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:18,799 major corporations. In fact, what in this particular case when it comes to 390 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:22,640 bud Light is important for conservatives to understand. Yeah, and this is a 391 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,759 really interesting one. I'm glad you brought this up because this is another area 392 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:27,119 that I've changed my mind in the lats ten years. I used to think 393 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,079 that when conservatives boycotted businesses and corporations. I used think it was kind of 394 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:33,680 a waste of time. I actually tell the story that when I was this 395 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,839 might have been when I was in like late high school or early college, 396 00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:40,720 when I kind of just started dipping my toe and political activism. There was 397 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:45,640 this list that went around of corporations and companies that were donating to Planned Parenthood. 398 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,480 Like behind the scenes, and this is gonna maybe sound like such a 399 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,160 dork, but I shopped at Coles a lot back then, and I and 400 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:56,200 Coles was one of the one of the companies that donated to Planned Parenthood. 401 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,319 And the first political activism I did was pro life activism. That's like the 402 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:03,160 you know what right is more important than your right to life? And I 403 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,880 remember thinking, well, I'm not going to boycott Coals, not just because 404 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,359 I was like in love with their stuff, but just because the amount of 405 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,799 time that it would have taken me to establish like brands that fit and stores 406 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,400 that I liked, because I'm not like a natural shopper, so that wasn't 407 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,759 something enjoyable for me. The amount of time that it would have taken for 408 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:22,400 me to actually boycott them and to find in research which businesses didn't do that 409 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,960 stuff. I was like, the opportunity cost doesn't make sense to me, 410 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:30,160 because I could spend that much time in more doing direct political activism for pro 411 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,440 life causes that would be more effective. And so I generally thought that that 412 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:37,279 was true for a lot of this stuff, right. I generally thought like, 413 00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:40,279 I don't know if your time is being well spent trying to boycott a 414 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:41,880 grocery store, having to go to five or six different grocery stores when you 415 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:47,039 could actually spend those three hours out a crisis pregnancy center or work and donate 416 00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:51,000 that money to something that would be a little bit more direct change. That's 417 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:55,400 my old view, and I've discarded it for the most parts because I no 418 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,720 longer think that it's just this fractional part of these corporations. We are. 419 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,440 We are at a very serious pivotal point in our culture right now where these 420 00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:08,759 large corporations like Annheuser Busch, the parent company of Budweiser, of bud Light, 421 00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:15,960 are choosing to propagate this neo Marxist ideology that we talked about, and 422 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:18,799 we, as of the American people, can sit back and we can say, 423 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,200 well, they're doing this because they care more about their esg rating than 424 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,000 they do about their bottom line. But there is a certain point that you 425 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,480 can acknowledge that, well, yes, they do care about their ESG rating, 426 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,960 and they may be willing to sacrifze some of their bottom line. But 427 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:38,960 we have not gone over the edge to ESG so far that businesses don't care 428 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,519 at all about their esg rting. I mean, look at Disney, right 429 00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:45,519 like, they obviously care about their ESG rating. They obviously care about their 430 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:51,200 corporate Equality Index or whatever that. I think that's the specific metric for transactivism. 431 00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:55,119 But they wouldn't have changed their CEO, right, Disney if they didn't 432 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,680 care at all about the actual business part. They wouldn't care like they cared 433 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,519 when they lost two millions of gribers from Disney plus like they cared. Even 434 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,039 if they also care about the other stuff, they still care. That's the 435 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:07,519 same. That's the same with ann Heuser bush Like this is an important moment 436 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,960 not to change Annheuser Busch's mind. They're already entrenched in this and they would 437 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:18,039 just take unbelievable cultural pummeling from the left if they walked it back. But 438 00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:21,920 what this is going to do is it's going to tell every other corporation in 439 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,960 this country. Listen, if you embrace a neo mark societyology, if you 440 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:33,359 put an actual dude wearing a sports braw as you're in pretending he's a girl 441 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,559 taking that opportunity away from a woman who could have gotten that job. If 442 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:40,960 you do that, you can it's a free country. But we're not going 443 00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:42,480 to buy your stuff, and you're going to see your stock price plummet. 444 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,160 What was at six billion dollars. It was a lode of money, a 445 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,359 lot of money. And so other other corporations are gonna be a little bit 446 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:52,920 slower to do that, because how are you going to justify that? How's 447 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,000 the ceo? How's the CEO going to justify that to the board when walking 448 00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:59,119 into it, you know what it costs your business? That would have to 449 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,440 be a specific calculation, a risk analysis, a risk benefit analysis, And 450 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,400 I think I think it's served as should keep it up, like what are 451 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,519 we willing to sell these children's bodies for a small amount of money that Anaheiser 452 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:12,960 Busch gives to Republican politicians. They don't even donate exclusively to Republicans. It's 453 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,599 like sixty percent to Republicans, forty percent to Democrats and it was like five 454 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,519 hundred thousand dollars in one election cycle. Yeah, like, I'm sorry, 455 00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:23,240 that's not that much money for an election. I am not willing to sell 456 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:27,599 children's bodies and our country to Marxism for half a million dollars. Please. 457 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,519 And also, by the way, an important point this is in response to 458 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,880 some people on the right who have said Annheiser Busch is one of the good 459 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:41,319 guys because they do give to Republicans and they have somewhat resisted the temptation to 460 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,480 dive headfirst into the pool of wokism. First of all, I don't think 461 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,640 that's true. They have been sponsoring pride stuff for a really long time. 462 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:53,559 Secondly, that's how corporations advertise now. It's how they get you, is 463 00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:59,640 they do this stuff superficially, and then they complete they'll give money to Republicans 464 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,240 and completely undermine Republican ideas precisely so that you defend them in moments like this 465 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:10,240 one. It's how they commercial that they release right in the right after Dylan 466 00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:12,000 Wolva. Did you see their pro America commercial. It was beautiful, by 467 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:15,799 the way, cinematic masterpiece of an advertisement, very moving, very touching, 468 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:18,759 but I just felt grossed out after. I was like, don't pander to 469 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:25,319 me. Don't pretend that you actually appreciate American values when what you're doing on 470 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,279 a much larger scale by hiring the most prominent transgender activists in our country who 471 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:33,480 actually went to the White House to ask the President whether states should be allowed 472 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,759 to ban surgical or bodily mutilation the transgender surgeries on children, Like this is 473 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:42,039 a political activist. We're talking about a powerful, influential political activist. Don't 474 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,440 hire that person and make them in the face of your company and then pretend 475 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,119 that you embrace American values. That's not true. It's also, by the 476 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,880 way, if you want to like zoom out and be philosophical about it, 477 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,160 it doesn't matter if you have a history in your life as an individual or 478 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:56,880 history as a corporation of acting one way. Like every day is a new 479 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,720 choice, right, So maybe they were a little bit more Republican, are 480 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,599 a little bit more conservative in the past, but it doesn't mean that's what 481 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,079 they're doing now. They've made a bad choice now, and they shouldn't. 482 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,440 We shouldn't ignore that just because they give a little bit of money to Republican 483 00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:13,079 candidates, or just because they made good choices in the past and they have 484 00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:16,880 a marketing VP who's out there on the circuit talking about how important it is 485 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:22,039 to be conclusive or whatever. She just sounded like completely ridiculous, sounded like 486 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:24,319 a college professor, like a queer theory professor. Oh maybe that could be 487 00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:28,559 her next job. Yes, on that note, Liz, I just want 488 00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:31,119 to sort of close out this conversation by asking if you're hopeful because what you 489 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,880 mentioned about how many of us have undergone this transformation from sort of live and 490 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,960 let live and left let live libertarianism. That's the best way to sort of 491 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,519 protect our family, protect our community is to get the federal government out of 492 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,359 our business, etc. Etc. To an understanding that there are some truths, 493 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,920 we need to have consensus, we need to have legal consensus, and 494 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,000 we need to have constitutional protections for Does that lead you to a point where 495 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,400 you feel like the tide is turning, there's plenty of reason for optimism, 496 00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:04,880 or is it the case that these Budweiser examples that crop up every single day 497 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,599 it seems like there's a new corporation sponsoring Dylan Mulvane or whatever else. Does 498 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:15,440 that you know, are you feeling in the aggregate optimistic or pessimistic. Well, 499 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,000 if I were too pessimistic, I wouldn't be doing what I was doing 500 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:22,319 right like this is it. I wouldn't be fighting a fight if I thought 501 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:23,759 it was a losing battle. So I think we can win. But I 502 00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:28,000 don't think it's as easy as a lot of people assume. I don't think 503 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,960 it's as easy as a lot of Conservatives and Republicans assume it is. It's 504 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,519 not. When we saw by the way this we saw an example of this 505 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:37,079 in the twenty twenty two mid terms, where we won Conservatives and Republicans one 506 00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:40,240 public opinion against Joe Biden right because of inflation, gas prices, what he'd 507 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,519 done in Afghanistan, everything. People didn't like Joe Biden. There was a 508 00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:46,960 high level of dissatisfaction even among Democrats when they went to the polls. And 509 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:52,440 yet Republicans did not accomplish the red tsunami that we were anticipating and that we 510 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,960 were hopeful that we would that we would experience. And the reason for that 511 00:33:55,039 --> 00:34:00,359 is because people are no longer making decisions based on just their immediate day to 512 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,720 day, day to day experiences they're not saying, well, I guess Joe 513 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,400 Biden failed me on gas prices. It's costing me more for my family. 514 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,559 I'm going to vote Republican because the Republican brand has been so vilified politically and 515 00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:15,400 culturally that we have a huge we have a huge deficit to fill. We 516 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,360 have a huge disadvantage there that if we don't address, if we don't address 517 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,920 the branding and the messaging of the Republican Party, then we're not going to 518 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,960 get very far, regardless of how bad the Democrats make our daily lives. 519 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,719 And in order to address that messaging, in order to rebrand Republicanism, we 520 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,000 have to sit down and ask ourselves a question, well, what is conservatism? 521 00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:43,079 What is Republicanism? Are are we standing for libertarian ideology or are we 522 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,480 standing for true conservative ideology? Are we the intellectual descendants of John Locke or 523 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,039 are we the intellectual descendants of Edmund Burke? And if we don't have that 524 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:52,159 discussion, if we don't have the discussion that you and I had a couple 525 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:58,719 of minutes ago about what is liberty, Liberty being either absolute liberty as close 526 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,559 to at it's close to the wild of nature as possible that you can have 527 00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:07,679 in a civilized society. It's more libertarian or an ordered society with liberty based 528 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:14,039 on the definition of justice deriving from natural law. If we don't sit down 529 00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:17,599 and have this quite literal, come to Jesus moment for our country, then 530 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,280 no, we're not going to be able to defeat the left because libertarianism cannot 531 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,519 defeat the left. A republican party that abandons cultural issues and is too afraid 532 00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:32,119 to fight the social issue battles, We're not going to defeat Marxism because Marxism 533 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:38,719 is committed. Marxism is unrelenting, and the only bulwark against that is a 534 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,880 society that embraces reality to its core. And this is not going to be 535 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,760 an easy thing for Republicans to do because you do have to understand that there's 536 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:52,599 a crossover then between religious truth and politics. If we want to win, 537 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,920 if we want to defeat the left, if we want to restore our country 538 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,679 to what it was when it was the greatest country that the the world has 539 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,239 ever known, then we have to do it the right way. If we 540 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,559 do, we'll win. If we don't, if we're too lazy, if 541 00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:08,119 we're too cowardly, then I don't know if we can. And I do 542 00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:12,679 have one more question, because you've just mentioned a lot of building blocks that 543 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,159 should be the foundation of our society. But it has to be tough to 544 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:20,760 even make the argument the case you've just made that most Americans would have agreed 545 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,000 on, you know, thirty years ago, when people don't even know what 546 00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:28,320 you're talking about when you say things like ordered liberty. Yeah, I know, 547 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,719 I know, And that's why I on my show I talk about I 548 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,760 oftentimes try to structure these types of conversations into two part conversations where first we're 549 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,199 talking about the what it is. If we're talking about queer theory, we 550 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,960 say, well, listen, we don't want kids at drag shows, like 551 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,320 it's okay to say that. It's also okay to say that men aren't women 552 00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:51,880 and can't be even if they identifies that, and first talk about those things 553 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,840 and then unpack the ideology behind it. Because there is a tremendous amount of 554 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,480 education. I'm very fortunate that this is my job. This is what I 555 00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:01,280 do for a living, so I get to spell my days researching these things. 556 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,400 And what I do is I try to synthesize the information that I learn 557 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,800 into you know, these forty five minute podcasts that that air every day, 558 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:16,039 so that people who are out raising their families and building their futures and working 559 00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:22,360 hard in their jobs and enjoying life can also understand what can understand the ideology 560 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,760 behind it, because it is these phrases are new right Edmund Burke and John 561 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,800 Luck, well, what do they believe? You probably couldn't define it. 562 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,400 Sometimes we even have a hard time defining what wlokeism is even if we recognize 563 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,480 it, and that's okay, that's okay. It doesn't mean that it's unknowable. 564 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:38,159 It doesn't mean that it's insurmountable. It does mean that it requires a 565 00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:45,800 little bit more of us as conservatives and Republicans to become educated in these areas 566 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,679 so that we can properly not just diagnose the problem of society. We've already 567 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,920 done that, but prescribe a solution. So what I try to do is 568 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,159 after we've acknowledged the reality of the political enemy that we face, and we 569 00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:59,280 have to first diagnose that, then we prescribe the solution. Part of that 570 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,400 solution is understanding um understanding some of them. I hate to use this phrase 571 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,280 because I think that it's been it was coined actually by a leftist. But 572 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,840 the political science of the thing, yes, right, the ideology, I 573 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:16,239 can't. I cannot stand that phrase. It's a very scientific world of politics, 574 00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:22,800 yes, yes, kind of. They love to call everything political science, 575 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,000 they do, but it's more it's more political philosophy. I suppose that's 576 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,559 a better way to phrase it. But I think Hillsville calls their degree politics 577 00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:37,400 and not political science because good instinct to quantify things that are not quantifiable. 578 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,840 Yeah, and I don't want to I don't want to say this because I'm 579 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,480 only ninety eight percent sure here, but I'm pretty sure the guy who coined 580 00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:45,280 the term political science was a technical was an actual proponent of technocracy. Yeah, 581 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,760 I think that's correct. Um, but who knows. We're just we're 582 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,039 just talking here. Yeah. Two things I have to fact check. I 583 00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:57,719 have to fact check Chris Bedford on his confession was on his list of mortal 584 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,920 sins, and then um, they trying to think who it was. But 585 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,639 that's normal for the show's fact checking Backford. We have to do it after 586 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,840 every episode that was on every week. So this is us at all. 587 00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:13,719 Well, we can't recommend the Loz Wheelers Show. Enough here because exactly like 588 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,159 everything you just said, Liz, you really break things down for people. 589 00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:19,920 So make sure to check out the Liz Wheelers Show if you're in the area. 590 00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,639 Liz is going to be at James Madison University on April twenty sixth giving 591 00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:30,559 the speech called the Ideology of Transgenderism super super interesting. We can't wait to 592 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:31,960 see how it goes down, and we hope you stay safe. List Thank 593 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,800 you, thank you. It's gonna be a great time. I hope everyone 594 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,880 who's in the area could come. If you're not in the area, please 595 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,119 watch. We're gonna live stream it. You can go to YouTube dot com 596 00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:44,639 slash yaf TV. It'll be six pm Eastern at James Madison University on Wednesday, 597 00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:46,840 April twenty six It's gonna be a good time. Thanks for joining the 598 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,239 show, Liz. Thanks Emily. All right, you've been listening to another 599 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,000 edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emilejashnski, culture editor here at The 600 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:58,079 Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, belovers of freedom 601 00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:07,119 and anxious for the Freight he o