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Coming to you from Floriferous Studio a
here at proven winners Color Choice Shrubs.

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It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show
with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick weisst

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and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Okay, today he's gonna be the

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I'm ready to give up show.
No, I'm not ready to give up.

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You ready to give up? I'm
actually not, so I am less

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ready to give up than I usually
i'm at this time of year, very

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good. So it's not the I'm
ready to give up show, but we

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do have to address the issue.
Gardening is not an exact science. You're

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gonna make mistakes, You're gonna have
some frustrations, and seasoned gardeners are relieved

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to know that there are others like
them that are in the same boat.

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It was Winston you know, Winston
Churchill. Many people misquote him. Historians

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will tell you this, they say, many people will quote Winston Churchill saying

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he said, never give up,
never give up. The reality is he

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said never give in, never give
in, never, never, never never.

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As gardeners, we never throw in
the trowel. There's always a way

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to apply common sense and practices where
we can deal with some of these frustrations.

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Now, looking at a survey,
this is interesting, affecting well over

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half of gardeners fifty five percent.
So at the top of the list was

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difficulty in managing insects and pests in
the garden. Can you buy that?

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I can buy that, but I
can also buy that. You know,

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that becomes a lot less daunting when
you start to learn about your pests.

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Sure, you know, when you
just see bugs biting holes into things,

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you freak out. When you see
a leaf spite, you just freak out.

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But then you start to dive in. And that's where the magic of

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gardening happens. Right, The more
you learn, the less scary these things

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become. I think that's really smart, Stacy. And as a matter of

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fact, knowing you, I know
your interest in insects very love and getting

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a head education and when it comes
to insects is important and it does help.

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Unpredictable weather came in a close second
on the list of top gardening frustrations,

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affecting forty six percent of gardeners.
Of course, Stacy allowed to talk

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about climate change. Sure well,
and there's not much you can do about

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that. So that is of all
of the things we can control, and

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gardening the least, you know,
the thing that we can have the least

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control over. But you know,
it's also where you learn the most.

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And like when I said that I
am less tired than I usually am of

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gardening, it's because our weather has
been you know, it was really dry,

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but it's been fairly cool for us
here in West Michigan. And apologies

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to those of you who are sweltering
through the heat wave and the rest of

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the country right now. But you
know, you learn so much when you

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do encounter these different types of weather
events. If everything was just even keeled

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all the time, you would just
think that's the way things are, and

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you never learned anything. Yeah.
True. Thirty seven percent of gardeners in

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the survey found the hobby was easier
than expected. Twenty four percent it to

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be more difficult now one point before
we get into the items that we want

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to deal with, and that is
in this survey, and I don't buy

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this. Seventy three percent of respondents
agreed that caring for plants required just as

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much nurturing as looking after a child. No way, what from a guy

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who's had three kids. It's a
lot lower steaks. First of all.

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I mean, I'm just saying exactly, there are some expensive plants out there,

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but nothing like you know, a
child exactly. So this survey,

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like any other survey, let's take
it with a grain of salt. Here's

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my list, stacy deer, weeds, pruning, succulents, hydranges, clay

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soil, moles growing under trees and
tree roots, squirrels and chipmunks, time

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and effort, smaller yields than expected, what to do with it when you

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have it, it's too hot,
and hacks. That's my list of things

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that cause frustration for gardeners. That's
a good list. Those are definitely things

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that cause people to be a little
bit discouraged in their gardening. But you

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know what, almost every single thing
on there you can actually learn about and

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then it's no longer discourage. I
mean, weeds, you know, weeds

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remain an issue. But you could
also always take my position, which is

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just to like space your plants closely
so there's less room for weeds. Plan

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a lot of wild native plants so
the weeds blend in, and you know,

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also just be like, you know
what, it's okay if I don't

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get to the weeds today. I
can live with it. Yeah, exactly.

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And like we've talked about on the
show before, apply common sense,

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a multi pronged approach. Don't get
tied up in these hacks that you find

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on social media. Gas Please do
not start getting worse. They're getting worse.

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I saw one the other day.
They're recommending pouring coca cola around your

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ze is to get them to bloom, and using apple cider vinegar on your

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hydranges to turn them blue. Oh
my goodness. Yeah. You know,

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there's so many things in gardening and
I think in life too, right where

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you just assume, like, okay, this vinegar is acidic. I know

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that hydranges will turn blue under acidic
conditions. Therefore by giving them vinegar,

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they will turn blue. But you've
missed like a whole huge aspects in there,

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which is the soil. Because the
soil is something you know, there's

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like a lot of chemical reactions happening. It's full of minerals and so no,

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it's not this straightforward line, and
people are forgetting that there's this you

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know, convoluted chemical path between the
two and so the thing just because something

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seems you know, like it might
be right, doesn't mean it's it's I

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think they call it the concept of
truthiness. Yes, exactly, truthiness.

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Good word. I like that.
And Stacy, you've taught all of us

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who watch and listen to the Gardening
Simplified Show just don't make assumptions. Don't

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make assumptions, and don't do it. You know, there are times where

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absolutely those hacks might actually work,
but also there are usually tried into your

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true products at your garden center that
are made specifically, you know, for

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the purpose, have instructions so you
can apply them properly. Party on the

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front, business on the back.
There you go and get results, because

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that's what this is about. And
I understand everyone's like, well, I

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have eppleside of vinegar. I don't
feel like making the trip to the garden

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center to go buy a looinumself fate. So you know, vinegar it is.

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But you know that's still a waste
of time and materials and possibly,

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depending on what you're doing, it
could be polluting something with absolutely no benefit.

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Yeah, so yeah, it's a
I get the need to be like,

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oh I figured this out. I
stuck it to the man, But

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it's not always going that straightforward.
Well, when talking about I'm ready to

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give up, I would have to
probably say dear are tops on the list.

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Today's word of the day is dear
resistible. I made that word.

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I like it. That's a good
one, dear resistible. And there are

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some plants that are just simply dear
resistible, like tulips or hostas, where

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they're they're just going to eat them. So to celebrate this show and encouraging

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you not to throw in the trowel
again, can I give you a limerick?

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I would love it? Okay,
thank you. The deer have done

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their misdeeds. My veggies produced no
proceeds. Beetles just ate my hollyhocks.

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My plants wilt in the window box. I'm left with just my weeds.

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The guardinia has never stood a chance. A wasp just flew up the leg

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of my pants. My house plants
are drowning. Even my sunflowers are frowning.

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My successes are mere happenstance. The
bulbs I planted did never appear.

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The rabbits the vegetation sheer. My
pole beans stand askew, my squash has

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powdery mildew. I'm tired of let's
wait till next year. So I liberally

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mulchwood, manure, till the weed
growth, my flowers obscure. I resent

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my neighbor's scrutiny. I'm seriously considering
mutiny and withdrawing from their garden tour.

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That is a good one, an
extended limerick. It's very timely. Thank

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you. Now. I did want
to mention also, I saw on the

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internet, and we've talked about that. Don't believe everything you read on the

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internet, But this thing about rage
gardening. Have you seen that? I

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have not seen something about rage gardening. They say, instead of venting your

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frustrations out in various ways, do
it in the garden pruning, pulling,

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digging, slashing, and weeding ferociously. Rage can give you the energy to

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tear through the task you may have
neglected. Now, I think that that's

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ridiculous too. Gardening is fun.
Gardening is fun. I would like to

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propose a twist on rage gardening and
make it rage invasive plant removal. So

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let's educate people on invasive of plants. And when they are in a rage,

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you know they've got their training,
they can recognize the invasive plants and

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then they can go into these natural
areas and you know, rage pull some

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horrible invasive and everyone's the better for
it. I like that, I really

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do. You know you and I
are alike. We kind of enjoy weeding.

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I don't mind weeding. Yeah,
so it's not a rage like in

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my garden. Though we all get
a little behind at this time of the

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year. So again, you know, the whole point here, Stacey,

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is with these various issues that we
have where we're ready to give up,

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and I know you're not kind to
give up. Neither are we applying common

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sense and a multi pronged approach.
That's how I've been successful with deer,

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everything from repellents to deer resistant plants
to some barriers. There's a variety of

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things you employ. Same thing with
pest. Integrated pest management important, very

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important, and you know what,
have to keep an experimental attitude exactly.

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You know, use your brain,
but you know you have to keep trying

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things. And if you do give
up, you know what, there's always

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next year. Here's how it goes. Right, winter, you're ready for

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spring, Spring comes, you're gung
how you're out there, you're working hard,

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and then you know by the time, it's getting really hot and you

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just kind of feel like, you
know what I'm done, and that's okay.

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Yeah, that's okay to feel that
way. Take a deep breath.

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But let's be entrepreneurs like Judson taught
us a few weeks ago, risk takers,

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Risk takers, you got it,
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garden center. Greetings gardening friends,
and welcome back to the Gardening is Simplified

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Show. It's our Are You Ready
to give Up? Episode? And you

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know, I do really feel for
the people who are going through this heat

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wave. I mean it's that nothing
will make you want to give up on

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your garden like excessive heat. You
can't even be out there, you know,

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you can't even be out there working, and you can't even be out

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there enjoying it. So what's the
point of working in it if you can't

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enjoy it. And you know,
honestly, the truth is if as long

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as things are staying watered, the
weeds, you can deal with later.

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Like it's you know, gardening is
supposed to be fun, and if it

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gets to a point where it's not
fun for you, it's causing you stress,

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it's causing you health problems. Because
it's one hundred and ten degrees out

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there, it's okay, so let
it go. Yeah, or be like

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me out there at two o'clock in
the morning with a flashlight. Yeah,

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you can always get a nice nap
during the heat of the day. There's

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where there's a will, there's a
way. But you know what it's you

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do owe yourself a little bit of
benevolence as you go through the season.

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So but you know, when it
comes to plants on Trial, I like

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to tie it into our topic of
the day, and so I picked a

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plant today for Plants on Trial that
is one that if you give up,

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it will be not only will it
be okay, it will still look amazing.

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And while you're in the air conditioning
looking out the window, you'll be

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patting yourself on the back. Or
having chosen this particular plant, I'm already

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sold and I don't even know what
it is. Well, it's a good

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one. It is poly petite hybiscus. Have you seen this one before?

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So this is a very interesting hybiscus. And so I'm gonna say right off

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the bat, the two things that
are are really distinctive about it, and

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that make it one of those plants
that you don't have to worry about when

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you give up number one. It
is our smallest hybiscus. So it's a

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rosa sharon. You can think about
it like that. It's a hybrid,

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but ultimately it resembles a rosa sharon, but it only reaches about three to

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five feet tall and wide, and
it forms just this cute, tidy,

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little globe shape. Most rows of
sharon they get real tall and they kind

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of start to fan out. Um. Some people even would describe the branches

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as like an old fashioned caveman club
kind of look, you know where they're

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all clumpy. Um. I might
have used that in regard to rows of

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share in earlier. But they're night
it's a nice rounded shape. And this

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is the least seed set of any
hybiscus interest. So, you know,

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one of the other issues that people
you know have with hybiscus is that they

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self so there's seeds drop and they
self so everywhere, and you know they're

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pretty easy to tear out. But
that is another garden shore that you have

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to work with. So Polly Petite
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few, if any seeds from it. And you're probably thinking, Okay,

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this all sounds pretty great, but
what does it look like? And the

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good news is it looks amazing.
Um. I love it for two reasons.

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Um. It has very very very
dark green foliage, so much deeper

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green than your average rose of sharon, which can sometimes look a little bit

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kind of pale a little anemi.
Yeah, they do have pretty high fertilizer

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needs rosa sharing in general, and
so if it's not getting the nutrients,

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it's going to turn kind of like
a yellowy color. Polly Petite has a

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beautiful dark green and all the better
to contrast with its lavender flowers. So

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it's kind of like, I mean, it's just like the perfect landscape plant

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because it's it's giving you all of
these blooms and it requires a little you

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don't have to worry about it overgrowing
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don't have to worry about it,
you know, throwing seeds out all over

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and giving you another maintenance issue.
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And who even if you're not ready
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guard and through the heat of the
summer, who doesn't want at least a

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couple plants out there that they never
have to think about and look good without

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even trying. And it blooms on
new wood. It blooms on new wood,

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right, So this is a USCA
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most hardy shrub hibiscus perennial hibiscus are
usually hardy to zone four, but shrub

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woody plant hibiscuits like Rosa sharon and
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But yeah, even if it were
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doesn't set its flower buds until later
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you can prune it in the spring
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really need to because it does naturally
take on that shape. So yeah,

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it's just a really fantastic, low
maintenance plant. And it comes for a

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part of the world where you were
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on Martha's Vineyard in Massachusett. Yeah. I just got back from the Hydrangea

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Festival on Cape Cod So that's weird. Yeah, out it's from out that

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way. Well. Yeah, and
it was a plant that you know,

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they developed there and had been growing
there for many years, and we were

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really excited to be able to bring
it into the line of proven Winner's Color

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Choice shrubs and to get it on
the market. So, you know,

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it is one of those plants.
I think people love Rosa Sharon, right,

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There's people have so much nostalgia and
everything for Rosa Sharon and then they

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see Polly Petite. Of course,
they're not blooming normally in the garden center

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when people are there for shopping season, because they bloom later. But they

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see Polly Petite and it looks so
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Rosa Sharin that they kind of might
think like, whoa, you know,

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it's impossible for Rosa Sharon to be
that size. It's impossible. Yeah,

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but this really is a fantastic plant, and you know, I'm really surprised

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that it doesn't have more fans.
Yeah, you're not trusting. Yeah,

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it's it's one that you know,
we keep saying like, it's such a

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great plant, I've seen it.
If you see it in our trial gardens,

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you will instantly fall in love.
So if you've been looking for a

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space saving Rosa Sharon, if you've
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have to work too hard and looks
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is a really, really excellent choice. Well, we got to get the

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word out, and that's what we
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if you're keeping score at home,
we're talking about rows of Sharon or althea

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or our Hybiscus stacy. I think
in my experience that causes a lot of

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confusion. It does, It definitely
does. So a lot of people will

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will, especially in the South,
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alphia. It's kind of a more
old fashioned term for it. But that

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can be confusing because there are plants
with the botanical name of alphia, and

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there's also hollyhocks, a related plant
with a botanical name of alcia. Yes.

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Yes, and then you have all
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so you got your tropical hibiscus.
You got your perennial highbiscus, So

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yeah, it does get pretty.
I'm confused. I'm ready to give up.

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Don't give up. You can't go
wrong. Honestly, you know you

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can't go wrong with any of them. I do love hibiscus, I mean,

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everyone's herbie at this point. Talk
so much about my, you know,

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summerrific perennial hibiscus, But I do
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you live in the South, you
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and that's okay. But what you'll
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the classic they get kind of,
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sprawling and open, and they don't
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going to see with Polly petite.
The flower color is muddy. It kind

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of has like more some like like
just muddy undertones to it, so you're

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not getting that like nice crisp contrast, and especially for this one, you're

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not going to get that nice shape. So full sun, at least six

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hours of sun each day is what
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what it attracts hummingbirds as most hybiscus
do. Fabulous. I was just going

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to say that what I love about
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We thought before about buzz pollination and
getting up close and watching that happen or

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watching it not happen because they're so
covered in pollen that they can't fly away,

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and that's always a really fun thing. See Adrian has captured that on

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video many times in fact, So
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and that kind of thing. Again, it doesn't need pruning. If you

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want to prune it, you would
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on new woods, so it will
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in the year. Overall, I
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to be pretty deer resistant. How
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was just at our house when we
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and they'll nibble that like a little
bit in spring, you know, when

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the new growth comes out. But
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the plant's habit. They're not compromising
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don't have a problem with As a
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encourage people to prune althea or rows
of Sharon, at least the bigger,

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older monsters that we have in some
of our landscapes. Again because it blooms

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on new wood right right, and
because if they do get too tall and

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you see this like on old homesteads
and that kind of thing as you're driving

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around in the summer where they just
kind of bend over because their stems have

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grown so much and they and they
flop over. So a little pruning is

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a good thing. Now, if
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they're great for summer. They're blooming
all summer long, for weeks. They're

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one of the longest blooming, you
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be tempted to put it by your
swimming pool, but that would not necessarily

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be a great choice because hibiscus,
when their flowers fade, they kind of

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twist up into a little wad and
they drop and they kind of leave a

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little bit of a mess. So
that's fine, you know. I treat

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it like I don't clean up after
them in the beds. But if you

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were to have like a walkway where
people are often walking, they can get

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slippery when it rains. Keep the
cover on the hot tob so not necessarily

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a good choice too close to your
swimming pool, but put it someplace where

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you can definitely enjoy it, whether
that is indoors from the comfort of your

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air conditioning or outdoors from the comfort
of your favorite lounge chair. So if

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you want to see photos and all
of the information about poly Petite typiscus this

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week's plant on trial, you will
find it at Gardening Simplified OnAir dot com.

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center. Gratings Gardening friends, and
welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show.

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While we were taking a break,
Adriana reminded me of a word that I

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have used to describe It's not my
word, it's an old fashioned word that

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people use to describe the spent flowers
of the hibiscus, and that is mush

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mummy. I have never heard that. You never heard that before? Awesome

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because that's exactly what it is.
Yeah, they're a little bit mushy and

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they are kind of like a mummy, like a mummified flower. So if

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you are picking them up, you
don't have to again. They'll just decompose

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and you add to your soil.
It's a lot more fun if you're saying

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mush mummy. You know. One
time, though, my friend Nancy Burton,

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who takes care of containers at the
at Beach Clubs in on the New

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Jersey Shore, was deadheading a tropical
hibiscuss. That was one of the things

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she did. They're real popular to
put in containers there. So she's taken

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out the mush mummies and she goes
to grab one and it moves. It

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was a bat. It was a
bat that had roosted in the high biscuits

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for the day, and uh yeah, she screamed and made a little bit

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of a scene that I guess gardeners
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to do, but who could blame
her? So mush mummies would be fun

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in October, right, Yes,
they're a little bit dried out by then,

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but that's mush mummy season. Yeah, correct, cool? All right,

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what do we got in the mail
bag? All right, let's take

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a look. Kate shares a photo
of her container in South Georgia, USDA

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Zone nine B with some fabulous dichondra, one of the best spillers for sunny

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garden. Yeah, so kay,
it was nice enough to send in a

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photo, and she said she's very
proud of her container and it has a

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beautiful silver falls dichondra. So you
know this plant, silver falls is fabulous,

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and you know, people often do
wonder like what's the best spiller for

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a sunny container? And in Kate's
container even though like a lot of her

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other And we'll put the picture on
on our show notes of course at Gardening

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Simplified on air dot com. But
you know you'll see her other plants in

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the container haven't quite gotten established,
but the dichondra is just trailing all the

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way down to the ground, and
I love it. It just has soft

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little leaves, almost like a ginko
leaf. They have almost like a ginko

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leaf type texture. They're smaller and
is so vigorous, and I love that

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color. It goes with just about
any flower color. It does. And

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silver foliage, We've talked about this
before, has a tendency to be drought

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tolerant, and silver falls is both
heat and drought tolerant. Probably an important

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thing in South Georgia, Yes,
definitely. So if you want to see

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a picture of Kate's container, visit
gardening simple Fied OnAir dot com. So

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what are gardener's asking? Rick Beth
asked, watched your butterfly show and want

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to grow more Asclepius butterfly weed,
but no success. They die out.

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Beth, You're asking in the right
place, because Stacy is an Asclepius butterfly

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weed enthusiasm. I am, and
I have an awful lot of them.

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Now, I will say that in
my garden I mostly take a pretty I

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guess you would describe it as a
less a fair approach. So I've purchased

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larger plants so like of our swamp
milkweed Asclepius incarnata, the orange native one

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tuberosa, the yellow one. I
buy those and then I just let them

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do their thing, like they set
seed, and I let their seed just

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pop up, and if it's coming
up somewhere where I don't want them,

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then I'll just rip them out.
So, you know, Asclepius can be

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a little bit difficult to source because
they as they have a long tap root,

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and a lot of perennials and shrubs
and trees for that matter, have

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a long tap root, don't really
do well in a conventional growing system like

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in a little, you know,
gallon shot. So a lot of people

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do try to grow them from seed, but I think it's worth trying in

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earlier, earlier in the season to
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sew. I have had luck growing
them from seed, but ultimately I think

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best question, it depends on which
one you're growing. Some of them are

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going to be a lot easier than
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I think that there's it grows everywhere. Whether or not you want it,

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you probably have it, But so
I don't know if you're trying to grow

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something that's a little bit different,
I know, the tropical Maybe you're accidentally

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purchasing the tropical one Asclepius curosavika,
because sometimes those are sold, you know,

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they're sold as butterfly weed. They're
not hardy, so in that case

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they would be, you know,
dying out for you every season because they're

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actually a tropical plant and they attract
a ton of butterflies, but they don't

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last. So I think the question
is which one you're trying to grow.

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And you know, if you can
and get a plant, get it established

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in your garden, and then let
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those seeds float around and find a
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where they'll grow and be successful.
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good advice. And but you know, I mentioned the quote of Winston Churchill

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earlier in the show. I also
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it's as easy as falling off a
law right kind of Yeah, you know,

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I love my self sowers. I
think we should do a show and

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self sewing play day. That'd be
great. Kathy's writing to us, I'm

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considering buying hostile liners from a nursery
in Georgia, seeing how I do?

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How do I grow them myself?
I live in the suburbs of Chicago,

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Zone five. If I planted the
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little bit bigger, put the pots
in the garage over winter for them to

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survive, question Mark Kathy writes to
us, Do I still cut down the

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leaves in the fall? I have
two bigger dogs, so don't want to

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plant them in the ground until they
can hold their own hostile la vista baby,

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plant that a grower starts with.
Sometimes they are called plugs, it can

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be called all different things. It's
just a tiny little plant that a grower

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starts with, of course to grow
it on. And so when you're purchasing

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a one or three gallon hosta from
a garden center, it started its life

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as a liner. They're not usually
available to you know, home gardeners,

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because they do need a little bit
of you know TLC in time. But

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if you can get them by all
means, I would say, patting them

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up into a container and you know, probably going into like a one gallon

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depending on the variety. If you're
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maybe you want to go into a
bigger one. But I think putting a

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00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:49.720
hostile liner into a one gallon growing
it through this year it should be absolutely

403
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.400
fine. And I would think so
too. I don't even think you'd really

404
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.759
need to worry about sheltering it indoors. You know, you might want to

405
00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.759
gather up all your one gallon hostas
kind of put them together in a corner

406
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:04.640
or some kind of semi protected area. Make sure that they can get water,

407
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:07.640
you know, through the winter they're
not covered by like an overhang or

408
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:12.640
something like that. They are actually
one of the easier grennials to grow and

409
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:17.400
produce. So I think that it
would be a great experiment and a great

410
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:19.519
way to be successful. Yeah,
I would agree. Provided the pots have

411
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.680
drainage holes, very important. Sink
them. You could sink them in the

412
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:29.240
ground for overwinter, and they should
do. They should do all right for

413
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:33.039
it. You know, anyone who's
ever looked at hasta roots, you realize

414
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:34.720
looking at the roots, how tough
that planted. Yeah, they are so

415
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:40.079
thick and fleshy and extensive. That's
one of the reasons that they can grow

416
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:44.240
you know, so robustly, Nikki
writes to us. My question is in

417
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:48.599
regards to my bloody crane's bill.
I transplanted it back in May. It

418
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.319
struggled since then. I've noticed brown, black and red spots, but a

419
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.480
different red that it turns in the
fall, it seems. Is it super

420
00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:00.920
stressed from the transplant? Is it
a disease? If it's diseased, do

421
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:06.440
you have a recommendation on treatment.
I'm in zone eight A, so,

422
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:10.519
you know, Nikki's question made me
realize that we have not really given a

423
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:15.400
lot of credence to the hard working
perennial geranium. And it is tough.

424
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.119
They are very tough and relatively easy
to grow. Yeah, they're quite easy

425
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.039
to grow. I you know,
I love them. I My mother in

426
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:25.640
law had a little area in the
front of their house kind of like a

427
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:29.799
little courtyard that it was impossible to
get anything to grow because it was really

428
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.240
dry. Shade. Yes sometimes that
your gation reached up there. But she

429
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.759
tried hastas and all these different things
and was never happy. And then one

430
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.160
day I brought her be a Covo
perennial geranium. It's a nice pink color,

431
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:47.039
and that thing has just absolutely thrived
there. It looks beautiful, it's

432
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:51.160
covered in flowers, and so it's
just a great problem solving plant. And

433
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:56.160
it does divide very well when you
have an established plant. So Nikki,

434
00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.839
I think that you know, it's
when most of the fully they can get

435
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.079
some folliar diseases, but it's really
not a detriment to them. You know,

436
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.119
they can get a little spotty looking
sometimes, but it's not like it's

437
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.559
going to harm the plant. And
it's important when it comes to folliar diseases

438
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:17.160
that like leaf spot diseases are not
in the plant, they're on the plant.

439
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:18.680
So if you have leaf spot,
it's not like, oh, your

440
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.480
plant is permanently infected and is going
to have it forever. It literally is

441
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.599
just living on that leaf surface.
So if it's deciduous like a hardy geranium

442
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.279
is, then you know that foliage
is going to die back and as that

443
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.000
goes away, the leaf spot disease
goes away. So some years are bad

444
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:37.119
depending on the spring, if it's
rainy, if it's cool, if it's

445
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:41.400
humid, if there's low air circulation, and then they're more likely to get

446
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.200
that leaf spot. And I think
that by dividing it. Yeah, that

447
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:47.440
is a little bit stressful on the
plant, not to say they won't recover,

448
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:52.359
but certainly would make it more susceptible
as they're recovering from that transplanting,

449
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.400
especially with a perennial gerannium. I've
often found that perennials that make those like

450
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.519
thick stems like also yarrow is another
there one. When you divide it,

451
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:06.119
it's it gets a little funky for
the next season or two. So I

452
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:07.960
think Niki Nikki sent pictures and of
course we'll post those in the show notes

453
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:11.279
at Gardening Simplified on air dot com. I really don't think you have anything

454
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.200
to worry about. I agree,
just tough. I have three words for

455
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:21.400
Nikki well drained soil. Yeah my
opinion, and I think if you pay

456
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.119
attention to that, you're going to
be just fun yep. So give them

457
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.119
some you know, keep the TLC
up, give them some time to grow

458
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:32.279
in and recover from the transplanting and
dividing, and you know, next season

459
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:36.079
they'll probably you probably won't even remember
that you divided them because they'll look so

460
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:37.799
fabulous. So if you have a
question for us, you can reach us

461
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.799
at help at Gardening Simplified on Air
dot Com or just visit Gardening Simplified on

462
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.319
air dot com, where you will
find the photos we've referenced, plants on

463
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.160
trial, links to break branching news, all of that good stuff, as

464
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:52.720
well as a contact for them to
send in your questions. And speaking of

465
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.279
branching news, we're going to take
a break in. When we come back,

466
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:57.920
we're just going to update us on
what's happening out there in the world.

467
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.640
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471
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for branching news here on the Gardening
Simplified Show. And well, I wanted

472
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:34.000
to let you know I've got some
personal branching news, and that is my

473
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:38.359
cannas are finally blooming. Yay,
Long live the Canna King. That's how

474
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:42.759
you know it's the height of summer
when the cannas are blooming and they're all

475
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.400
lush and full and the hummingbirds are
going crazy. I love that. Next

476
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:51.279
come the humming birds exactly. So
I'm branching news this week. There are

477
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:58.640
still snow piles at the Minneapolis airport
in July. It's probably not a terrible

478
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:04.319
surprise to anyone familiar with Minnesota winters, but while we're well into summer now,

479
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:08.200
of course, these snow piles are
primarily sand and debris and that sort

480
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:10.839
of thing, but there's still a
snow pile. So that's quite amazing to

481
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:15.039
have snow piles, especially when we're
hearing all this news of it being the

482
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:21.000
hottest week on record on the planet. Right, Yeah, unbelievable. So

483
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:25.480
they might not be run for too
much longer at the Minneapolis airport. Snow

484
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:30.599
it's a terminal problem. Did you
get that one? Definitely? Yes,

485
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:37.440
there it was in plane sight.
I'm really trying to think of a comeback

486
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:42.359
here, but I'm drawn a blank. It's like Christmas in July, all

487
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.519
right. This was interesting In the
news, a bear is suspected of stealing

488
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:52.200
a backpack with a phone, jerky, bird seed, and a Heineken beer

489
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:59.160
from a mobile home park in Lehigh, Pennsylvania. Police have been tracking and

490
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:04.079
found the bag later. Actually was
a farmer in a field who found the

491
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:09.239
backpack. The backpack and the phone
were recovered. The bear had no interest

492
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:14.320
in the phone, of course,
wanted the jerky and the bird seed,

493
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.320
and police are just hoping the bear
is over twenty one. As it relates

494
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:22.679
to the Heineken beer, I like
the implication that if it if it had

495
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:27.079
been any other type of beer,
things might have been different. But it

496
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:29.960
was specifically the Heineken, you know
that. It's like, Oh, if

497
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.599
it was one of those like IPAs, that's too happy for the bear.

498
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:36.760
I'm not going to go in for
that. That's great, that's great.

499
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.280
Yeah. And and the fact he
left the phone and the back I you

500
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:44.199
know, I just got back from
Cape Cod. I was walking along the

501
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:50.119
dock and there's a professor from Cornell
University. His name is Daniel Schwartz,

502
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:54.039
and we just struck up a conversation. Great guy. The point I'm getting

503
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.760
to here is he said that in
New York where he's at, they have

504
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.480
this phrase they use all the time, leave something on the table for Murphy.

505
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.039
Oh. I thought that was great. Leave something. So you know,

506
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.800
the bear left something, he didn't
take it all he left something on

507
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.039
the table for a murphy. I'm
sure if he could have eaten the phone,

508
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:19.400
he would have just guessing, you
know, he might have given it

509
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.880
a little and then it didn't work
out so well. I'm surprised he just

510
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:30.920
didn't try to download a nap.
How do plant reversions take place? Remember

511
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:37.679
that many ornamental cultivars begin when an
alert plant enthusiasts notice a tree or a

512
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:42.920
part of a tree with a unique
growing characteristic, and sometimes they revert.

513
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.320
I just wanted to get a comment
from you here, Stacy, on that,

514
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.679
because I was out and about the
other day and I took a picture

515
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:57.159
of a dwarf Alberta spruce that was
going through a reversion, reverting back to

516
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.039
its I don't know what do we
call it? A little species? Yea

517
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:05.960
a white spruce original form? I
guess you would say, yeah. And

518
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:10.840
that is one of the wildest reversions
that you will see. So if you're

519
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:15.719
not familiar with dwarf Filberta spruce by
name, you have certainly seen one.

520
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:21.840
It's that little, conical, kind
of starbursty looking evergreen that everyone seems to

521
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.280
plant next to their front door.
And the dwarf a little bit of a

522
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:29.679
misnomer because sure it's dwarf wointing by
it, but they do get quite large

523
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.679
and there's really no way to prune
them or anything like that to manage their

524
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:37.519
size because they have such a tight
conical shape. And I think this propensity

525
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.320
to reversion has really increased over the
last couple of years. I know.

526
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.920
I mean before I never saw I
rarely saw it, and now I feel

527
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:52.000
like, you know, one in
five or ten Albertas that I see have

528
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:54.800
a reversion. So if you're thinking
of the Alberta spruce, basically what happens

529
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:58.679
is, you know, one day
you go out and it's like a whole

530
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:00.840
spruce tree is just shooting up out
of the back of it. A Christmas

531
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:05.199
tree. Yeah, so full size. Even though dwarf Alberta is very tight

532
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:07.840
and compact, it just gets this
whole, full size shoot of a tree.

533
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.559
And you send a picture, so
we'll put that in the show notes

534
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:15.679
so you can see it and maybe
once you see it's one of those things

535
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:17.920
that like, once you see it, you start to see it everywhere,

536
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.679
you know, that kind of thing, because a lot of people, I

537
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:23.960
think would just assume it's like a
seedling or something that popped up from the

538
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:29.519
ground under the plant. But no, it is the plant reverting back to

539
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:34.800
its original form, because you know, dwarf Alberta spruce originated as like a

540
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:38.480
little branch mutation on that full spruce. So some things are more prone to

541
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:43.079
reversion. We talked about this a
little bit when Megan Attire Plant Breeder was

542
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:49.880
on. You know, sometimes variation
is another plant that often reverts, and

543
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.679
sometimes you'll see that will certainly with
things that are grafted that the understock.

544
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:57.719
It's a little bit of a different
type of reversion, but that will kind

545
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.039
of come out. So it's always
interesting to see and some people will think,

546
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:04.280
oh, my gosh, it's a
miracle. Well, no, unfortunately

547
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.239
it's not a miracle. And in
most cases you should cut the reversion out

548
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:13.400
as soon as possible because usually the
reversion is a much stronger plants and will

549
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:16.119
quickly destroy whatever that feature was that
you bought that plant for, whether it

550
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:21.400
was the habit, texture, color, etc. Interesting. Interesting, Okay,

551
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:32.000
A long time landscape staple use yews
or Texas taxus are outlawed in various

552
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:38.280
parts of Idaho in the past few
years because animals, after nibbling on the

553
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:45.880
plants have died, and a three
year old Boise girl was hospitalized after eating

554
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:49.360
a berry from a U plant in
her family. Now, this plant has

555
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.360
just been a staple in the garden
center in nursery industry for years, so

556
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:57.280
it was interesting to see that in
this area they're saying, no, not

557
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.880
going to plant them anymore. It
is and you know, us are okay.

558
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:07.880
They're extremely they're extremely shade tolerant,
and that I think is the main

559
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.960
reason that they have become as popular
as they are now. I grew up

560
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:16.119
in a house in suburban Detroit with
us right outside the front door, and

561
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:20.639
I remember from when I was a
very young age, my mom saying,

562
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:24.719
never ever, ever eat anything from
that plant. Those red berries. They

563
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:29.440
look good, but do not eat
anything from that plant. And I remember

564
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.199
her, you know, basically making
me so afraid of them. If I

565
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:34.199
walked out the front door, I
would kind of do like a little like

566
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.840
curve around it, so I didn't
even touch the thing, you know what

567
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:45.639
I mean. But they are they
are so toxic, and but weirdly deer

568
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:47.400
eat them. Yeah, So you
know, I know that they're a problem

569
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:52.280
for a lot of livestock. Other
ruminants. But it's it's just it baffles

570
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:57.440
me that a plant that is so
toxic to humans and to most other animals,

571
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:00.760
the deer are just at and just
nibble it. They devour, they

572
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:05.800
will destroy it. And it is
a slow growing plant, so their chance

573
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:12.400
of recovery from severe deer browsing is
slim to none, basically. But it's

574
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.599
an interesting plant. And you know, I think that people in the UK

575
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:21.159
have a much bigger reverence for taxes
than we have here, because I don't

576
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:22.960
know if you've ever looked up like
the old I mean, they have taxes

577
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.880
in the UK that are literally thousands
of years old, and they're in these

578
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:31.079
you know, beautiful old churchyards,
and they take on these just amazing shapes

579
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.880
we're here in the US. They're
a little bit like, you know,

580
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.079
oh, I planted him in my
front yard and pruned it into a tuna

581
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.519
can, and isn't it beautiful?
And you're a little like less than inspired.

582
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:45.920
It is that plan, that plant
that we prune into meatballs and tuna

583
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:50.920
cans in our yards and for people
keeping at score score at home, use

584
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:58.280
yews or taxes ta x us.
I always remembered the very thing because I

585
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:04.400
made the analogy death and taxes.
Yes, so stay away from evade your

586
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:08.639
taxes is what you need. Definitely
grew up evading taxes and uh so we're

587
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:12.880
gonna put the link there at Gardening
Simplified on air dot com. You can

588
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:17.599
read about this story this community in
Idaho, and fortunately the three year old

589
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:24.400
girl is okay. Yeah, uh
real quickly, if you are in your

590
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:30.599
Semite National Park, they are recommending
that if you come across these stacks of

591
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.760
rocks that people will stack up,
knock them over. You ever have the

592
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.519
urge to knock him over, well, knock him over. They want you

593
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.119
to knock him over. People use
them to well, you know, create

594
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:45.800
points of demarcation. I guess along
the trail or whatever they're saying, go

595
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:51.239
ahead, knock them over. Rock
and roll, rock on all right,

596
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:52.599
I'm all for it. So there
you go. If you're going to be

597
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:58.880
vacationing this summer, always a pleasure
and privilege to do this show with you.

598
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.559
Stay likewise, and a big thank
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599
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:07.599
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600
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:13.760
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