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This is WWW Superstar Drew McIntyre,
and you're listening to the WWE podcast god

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Show, the one that everybody wants
me Godot three sixteen says, just clifts

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your ass is more. You're gonna
like now a tree. Okay, everybody,

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it is time for your Summer Slam, your official twenty twenty three Summer

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Slam preview and predictions show. I
have Anthony Marco with me, who currently

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is co hosting with me but normally
is on the currency a w E every

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single month to night, but we
transferred the night to tonight so you guys

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could get a dose of us and
be able to hear what our thoughts are,

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previews, predictions, possible returns,
all that kind of good stuff that's

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swirling around the news wire. But
and they welcome to the show, and

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are you excited for this pay per
view? You know what, I've just

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been conditioned now to be excited for
pay per views even when the build doesn't

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warrant it, because, as we've
talked about multiple times, under the Triple

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H regime, every single pay per
view, even with bad builds, has

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delivered like the weakest pay per view. I guess you could say under the

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Triple H regime was the Extreme Rules
pay per view, which was what just

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three months into his run as chief
content officer, where you had no World

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title match. I think the main
event of that was the pit fight between

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Riddle and Rawlins, and then you
obviously had the subsequent return of Bray Wyatt,

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but even that was a solid,
solid pay per view. I think

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they opened up the card with the
six man street fight between the brawling Boots

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and Imperium. So even the lower
end of pay per views have been really

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good the last twelve or thirteen months
under Triple H, and with SummerSlam being

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one percent one of the top pay
per views of the calendar year for WWE

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and the biggest pay per view since
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Grown Jewel or any Saudi Arabia event. I am excited because I think WWE

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is going to pull out all the
stops. It's a good way of looking

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at it, and because so how
many times have you and I and others

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come out of pay per views going
wow, that was so much better than

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the build. It's just like you
said, we've been conditioned at this point.

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It kind of is a self hype
machine, because while some of the

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programs aren't great, and the go
home shows, I think we've kind of

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got I mean, I just need
to just say this. The Go Home

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shows for a long time, not
just in the Triple H regime, but

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even prior to that, have never
really been the go home shows that we

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used to get, you know,
five, ten, fifteen years ago,

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where it'd be a boiling point.
Things just kind of lollygag into the event

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and things don't feel like they're at
a boiling point anymore. Usually for the

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Go Home Shows, two events,
but after the event we are always left

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going wow. And that's a credit
to the talent. I mean, that's

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just that's not a credit to creative. Yeah, well I shouldn't say that,

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because creative does obviously come up with
the outcomes. But the story in

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the journey to get there is done
one hundred percent by the talent. So

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that's a credit to the talent showing
what they can do in the ring.

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And even when a storyline going in
is crappy or really people feel indifferent about

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it, they come out going that
was so much better than I expected.

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Now, the one challenge that I
would imagine that this plle is going to

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have that the last three didn't since
WrestleMania, is that it's not in front

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of an international crowd. I mean
we're back in the United States. The

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bar is now lower with the crowd
reactions, so it's while the crowd reaction

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will still be from a United States
I guess perspective anyway, will be a

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little higher the typical plee reaction we've
gotten from May and May, June and

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July and the pls, it's going
to be a lot lower. I mean,

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we had Saudi Arabia, we had
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London, right, we had a
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So these are going to be fans
that are lowed. But do you

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think it's going to take away from
the show as we've been conditioned the last

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three months to hear these just unbelievable
crowds. Do you think coming away that

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we may feel a little bit down
on the crowd just based on how how

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much insanity we've heard the last three
months. I don't think so, because

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at least with this event, and
I guess you could say that about Saudi

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Arabia and in London where they were
in stadiums as well. Typically when it's

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a stadium show, just the sheer
quantity of people will usually make it feel

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very, very significant, Like it's
not like they're doing a pay per view

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in an arena. And now that
I think about it, when was the

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last arena pay per view that they
had in the United States? Was it

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Survivor Series? Which Survivor sites held
in a stadium? We're in arena.

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I think it was an arena,
so I would imagine it was Survivor Series,

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the last area in a pay per
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Yeah, it doesn't happen often,
so you're right, the shoot the volume

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should make up for it. But
also if it's a stadium, a lot

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of the noise can escape through the
roof that doesn't exist. I don't know

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if Fordfield has a retractable roof.
I don't think it does. But anyway,

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like, let's just dive into the
card because we got eight matches to

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go through here. Obviously, guys, we're going to talk about possible returns.

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We know all the names that are
floating out there, will get to

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those as we roll through here.
But starting with starting with the Battle Royal,

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this slim Jim SummerSlam Battle Royal.
It's a twenty man Battle Royal.

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It doesn't seem and again, guys, we have not seen SmackDown that we're

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recording this on a Thursday, so
if something changes on Friday, we don't

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know about it. But doesn't look
like anything's actually on the line. It

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just seems kind of one of those
Battle Royals, the catch alls for people

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that don't have anything really going on. That that's what these these men are

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going to be doing right now.
The only confirmed participants are Chad Gable,

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Otis Shinsky, Champa Shamus, and
La Night. So this one, as

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as La Knight has been dealing with
the last few pay per views where he's

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the heavy favorite, he has not
come out on top in the heavy favorites,

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this one, I'm gonna say he
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I understand I said that the last
time, but this one he really does.

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Because if if he doesn't, I
mean, if he can't win a

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Battle Royal, the kind of a
throwaway match that honestly may actually be put

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on the pre show, I mean, then I don't know what we're doing

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here. We have reached that point. We are now as you and I

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have talked. I think we are
now at that point. We're not approaching

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it anymore. We are at the
point where WWE can no longer do the

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pushing him by not looking like we're
pushing him strategy and routine. We are

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now here, and I think this
will propel La Night, at least in

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a baby step to the next thing
where he could say I won the battle

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Royal, I want this, or
that he has some kind of significant victory

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under his belt. So what do
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I think you're at the point where
you have to throw the fans a

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bone, and it doesn't have to
be a massive bone. And I think

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you and I have kind of been
in lockstep with that that you don't have

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to make them world champion tomorrow or
WWE champion tomorrow, but you have to

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put them on some meaningful path.
And you know, just me personally,

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I think that just the fact that
they haven't given La Night a meaningful feud

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or a meaningful program since the bray
Wide stuff back in the winter that wasn't

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even to you know, benefit or
elevate l A Night. That was to

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elevate bray Wide. And it's crazy
how you know six seven months later,

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how the two different paths each of
those two guys to have taken and La

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Knight has just kind of been fly
by night, no pun intended and just

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kind of like you know, in
this match, losing important matches, winning

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meaningless matches. And I think that
it doesn't even necessarily have to be a

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title, It just has to be
a path And the Battle Row would be

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a good start. But what they
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out even if that's the word,
but I made it one, But I

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think giving him that catapult off of
a not a big win, but a

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more of a significant win at a
big time pay per view. I know

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that Battle Royals don't mean anything typically, but like I don't know if WW

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could attach something to Battle Royals,
like it guarantees you a non world title

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opportunity, like you can challenge for
the tag title or won the mid card

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titles, just something like that to
give their like something of significance on the

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line. But it's better than nothing, right, And I heard you mentioned

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that, like would you have rathered
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or in the Battle Royal on SummerSlam? And it's a valley question. For

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me. I would have probably rathered
the US title just because I think he's

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in need of a meaningful feud and
he really hasn't had a clear cut direction

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since bray Wyatt. But if he
wins the Battle Row, which he should,

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that's my prediction. I think he's
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just because I don't think that they
could stand or afford to make him lose

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again, because as you mentioned,
they are at that point. But it

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would be a good stepping stone for
him and something they could they could kind

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of use to have him bounce off
into something more significant. This, yes,

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this is the starting point for Elia
Knight. I can't think of a

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more just, foundational victory than this. This is not a staple victory.

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It's not one that we're going to
remember, per se. There's nothing on

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the line other than pride and that's
it. But if if Eli Knight doesn't

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win this, I don't I don't
know what they're doing. I really don't.

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To me, if he doesn't win
this, they're trying to get too

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cute. I think that they're trying
to stretch this strategy of him getting over

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without trying to get him over is
going to run out of steam. And

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this, to me, is it
not that things are going to crash and

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burn, but I think you will. You've we've reached that crossroads. And

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if they don't do it, I
think fans are going to get angry,

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disinterested and maybe turn cold on this. And I don't want that to happen.

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Nobody wants that to happen. So
this is the starting point, the

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starting blocks for La Night to get
to that next level. You said us

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title perfect. I thought that he
should have been there. You thought he

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should have been there to begin with. But perhaps this is the one that

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gets him to say, you know, talk to Adam Pearce on the following

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Friday and say, hey, I
want the Battle Royal. You know,

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I should be getting something out of
this. There's a way to do it.

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And this is the starting point for
La Night. There's just no other

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person that needs it. Shamus doesn't
need it, Champ it doesn't need it

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Nowkamer doesn't need a Otis Gable,
whoever the hell else? The other sixteen

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people are fifteen people are don't need
it. There is no one else here

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that needs it other than La Nights. So all right, I'm gonna mention

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the next match and then toss it
to you, Ronda Rousi, Shana Baesler,

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MMA rules match go ahead. Not
really sure what they mean by MMA

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rules. I guess they're going to
try and mimic what they did with Kane

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Velaska's and Brock in twenty nineteen.
I mean, look, I think they're

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both good workers. Obviously, these
two know each other. I think that

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they've done a good job building it, which is a far cry from what

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I would have said a few weeks
ago. I think they did a hell

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of a job with those video packages. Both of them have legitimacy behind their

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names as real life badasses in pro
in amateur wrestling, and in mixed martial

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arts. I'm gonna say it's Shana
Basler. You know, there's a lot

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of rumors floating around about what the
future holds for Ronda Rousy and whether or

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not this is her swan song in
professional wrestling. So I'm saying Shane Basler,

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and I'm actually looking forward to it
because of the bill that they've had,

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Not sure how the result is going
to be, because of the complexity

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of having an MMA rules match in
WWE. Obviously, now that they're owned

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by the same company UFCNWWE, that
is, it probably will allow them some

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more I guess intel from the MMA
side of endeavor. But I really am

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looking forward to this surprising enough,
and I think Shana Bilisler is going to

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come out on top. I'm with
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is a multi month program, I
might lean Rowsy. But the problem is

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that this does seem to be,
at least for the time being, Ronda

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Rousey's you know, final match for
the foreseeable future. That's the reports coming

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out. Of course, those are
just you know, what we're hearing from

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the major sites, and it could
be that Ronda Rowsy is going to return

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towards WrestleMania forty. I don't know
how she, you know, as you

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get towards SummerSlam, you're already kind
of peeking down the road a little bit

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to WrestleMania forty. I don't know
how she, you know, wouldn't want

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to be a part of that and
finally get to Becky Ronda one on one.

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For God's sake, she need they
need to have that before she goes

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away. But I mean that's just
my own personal preference. So this match

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um, yeah, I don't know
what they mean either. I was thinking

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they were gonna do a fight pit
match like they did with Rollins and Riddle

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last late last year. I was
thinking that's where they were going. But

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yeah, this MMA rules match.
I don't like when they try to bring

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in, you know, a sport
in which you're actually trying to hurt your

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opponent into a sport where you're trying
to work with your opponent. It's it's

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oil and vinegar or oil and water
rather as I say it, I just

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this could be disastrous. I continue
to say that. I hope it's not.

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I'm not rooting for it to be
a disaster. But when you're actually

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trying to make the gimmick of the
match the opposite purpose of a professional wrestling

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match, and try to make it
look like they're hurting each other when they're

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really not and you can see they're
pulling punches, but then calling it MMA,

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it has the potential to be disastrous. I mean, of course,

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I'm thinking of Cane Valaska as a
brock Lesner. That was just an absolute

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abomination. It was bad. It
was embarrassing Cane Valaska as I mean,

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it looked like my you know five
year old son could have kicked his ass.

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I mean, he just didn't look
good, even though I mean he's

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legit badass, we know that.
But the visual wasn't good that he was

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taking down Brock and it just wasn't
my favorite. So I am worried about

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the quality of this match from just
a logistical standpoint of how are you gonna

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it would be like them putting in
pro wrestling rules in a UFC fight and

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trying to do like it's just is. It's two things I understand, endeavor,

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it's all under the same umbrella,
but it doesn't mean you need to

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mix them. It's a dangerous.
It's a dangerous thing to do. Maybe

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they'll pull it off. But are
you worried about that at all? Oh?

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Yeah, one hundred percent. With
the execution, this is a weird

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thing, kind of like the reverse
under the Triple H era where I'm more

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worried about the execution than I am
about the build. And I think that

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the build has been good. I
think the legitimacy behind both of these women

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is making me look forward to this
match and maybe give it the benefit of

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the doubt in the meantime. But
no, honestly, we saw what we

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saw from Kane velaska As and Brock
back in twenty nineteen, and both of

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those guys are real life badasses.
And Brock is an incredible worker, arguably

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the most underrated worker in the history
of professional wrestling and underrated, not best

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underrated. And I think that their
execution and their results was, you know,

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satisfactory at very best. And I
am worried about that with Ronda and

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Shana, But like I said,
I think with the build that they've got,

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me given them the best for the
doubt in the interim, I think,

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what's gonna happen if I'm if I'm
gonna be realistic here when they say

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MMA rules, what that really means
I would imagine is they're gonna do rounds,

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right, They'll probably do like,
you know, however, whatever the

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round three minute rounds or whatever they
are in UFC, and there's just gonna

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be a lot more punching and kicking
and striking like that. That's probably like

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takedowns and and mound like pounding what
are they what are they call it?

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Ground and pound like, there's probably
gonna just be more punches and kicks that

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are all just pulled punches and kicks, and again, this is no different

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really than a pro wrestling match.
You're just using punches and kicks more than

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you would actual souplexes and you know, ankle locks and that kind of thing.

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So there's I don't know if there's
really going to be any difference here

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other than just oh, okay,
they're gonna do rounds and that's it.

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Like, they didn't say it's going
to be in an octagon, they just

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said MMA rules. It's a very
vague term to use, so that's probably

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in my mind what it's going to
look like. Is that, Sony,

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any other thoughts before we get to
the ICY title. No, I think

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that's pretty much. We kind of
gave it a good coverage going into it,

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and now we've just got to hope
that the execution is as good as

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the bill. That's the only thing
that we could really do. Agreed,

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And I'm also going SHANEA. By
the way, I didn't make my pick.

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Shane is also my pick. Okay, Intercontinental Championship Gunther versus Drew McIntyre

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for the IC title. I'm not
gonna get my pick other than to say

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this is the first real true threat
to Gunther's run as Intercontinental Champion with Drew

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here. Tough pick, but I'll
let you choose. You know, this

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is probably the toughest time I had
with my predictions, because, as you

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said, Drew McIntyre is a legitimate
threat to Gunther, and I don't know

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if he's had a legitimate threat before
maybe Shamus and Drew back at WrestleMania,

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but even at that it never really
felt like his run was in jeopardy.

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Riddled In threatened it or the likes
of we're going back a bit now,

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but Ricochet didn't threatened it, Shamus
didn't threatened it. But Drew, you

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know, he's still looking for that
big win, that big win that was

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taken away from him because of COVID
three and a half years ago at Wrestling

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at thirty six. And it isn't
a world title, but they have done

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a hell of a job building up
the Intercontinental Championship, and Drew's a history

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with that title during his first run
with the company, and I really do

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think that he would be an amazing
Intercontinental champion. But in this instance,

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I'm going with Gunther just because I
think he's in within striking distance of the

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honky tonk Man for the longest running
Intercontinental champion of all time. I don't

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know how far away he is.
I feel like we went over this and

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it's sometime during the fall, maybe
in October. So I'm picking Gunther.

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That being said, and this is
kind of like an asterisk beside it,

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I do think Drew McIntyre will will
eventually be the guy to dethrone him as

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their conne champion. I think this
is a program you could probably string across

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three or even four pay per views, So I think Gunther gets this victory,

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but I do think eventually Drew is
the one to strip of that IC

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title when Gunther does eventually pass Honckey
tong Man, I'm gonna go Gunther two.

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And I could see w W E
getting tempted by Drew. He've just

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returned, He's hot, he feels
a little I mean, he doesn't feel

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a little fresh. He feels much
more fresh than he did prior to his

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exit from his injury and getting healed
up. So I'm gonna stick with Gunther

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as I look at the actual number
of days, and this is the only

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reason that I'm choosing Gunther, and
not only not the only reason because there's

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also rumors of a Gunther brock Lessner
match at WrestleMania forty. That seems to

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be what they're eyeing. And if
that's the case, you you know,

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you want to kind of start to
make Gunther look unbeatable, and you know

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that that's another another reason why.
But right now, okay, this is

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as of July twenty eighth, so
we'll have to add a few days to

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this, but as of July twenty
eighth, we had Gunther at four hundred

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and fourteen days. Now that means
that the Honky Tonk Man is at this

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point thirty five days ahead of Gunther
at four hundred and fifty three days,

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So really he only has to get
to the next pay per view I think

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pretty close to that. So we're
getting very close now to the point where

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all they have to do is keep
the belt on gun Through for another month

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and then we could claim he is
the longest running intercondinal champion of all time.

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They probably are going to choose that
path. Instead of Drew winning,

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we'll have Gunther. I mean,
I'm sure Giovanni Vinci or Ludwig Keiser are

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going to get involved cost gun Through
the match. Or cost Drew the match.

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I just think, for the biggest
reason being, there's this close to

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having Gunther being able the claim that
he's the longest running Intercontinental champion. It's

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too tempting, and honestly, it's
a hell of an accolade, hell of

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an accolade to be able to say
that now that four hundred and fifty three

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days seems puny in comparison to Roman
Reigns, who was overshadowing every record that

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everyone is is compiling right now.
But still, I think that would be

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a really great thing to put on
Gunther's resume for his entire career, that

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he's the longest running ic champion of
all time. Yeah, And like,

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I don't know if you feel the
same way, but could you see Drew

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dethroning him as Intercontinental champion after he
surpassed his Honckey talk man? Yeah,

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dude, Drew's an excellent candidate.
I could also see if Biggie eventually returns

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here, and I think if there
were going to be a return from Biggie

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at some point that he would fit
nicely into the intercontinental title picture. Obviously

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he's been WWE champion before, but
you know, if they if they don't

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go Withdrew, I could see if
Biggie comes back then next month or two

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he could be the one to take
it from Gunther as well. So yeah,

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either Drew or Biggie, Yeah,
I think so, but it really

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depends with Biggie. But I do
feel like they owe Drew a big victory

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because for some reason, like well, obviously we know the reason as to

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why he probably hasn't gotten that victory
since, but I don't think he's held

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a singles championship since losing the w
w E Championship in early twenty twenty one.

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So eventually I want Drew to get
that, but get that victory,

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but just SummerSlam isn't the right fit. But I do think that this is

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a program you could string across several
pay per views. Absolutely, and Drew

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does deserve that victory. He his
timing constantly gets to him. He has

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the worst possible timing and not of
his own, you know, his own

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fault, but being able to get
that victory in front of fans, which

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he has yet to get. Yeah, So all right, so we both

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are still in the same boat here
as we look at the intercounital Championships.

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So right now we are. We've
picked the same people for the Battle Royal,

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the MMA Rules match, and the
Icy title. Let's see if that

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continues here with Ricochet and Logan Paul. Go ahead, it's Logan Paul.

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This one's very easy for me.
Like, I love what Ricochet has done

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here. I think you've mentioned it. He's been built up more in two

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or three weeks than he has in
two or three years prior. But Logan

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Paul hasn't won a match since Summer
Slim of last year. I believe against

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them is and since then he's had
how many singles matches? I want to

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say two against Roman and Seth rightfully
lost both of those. But Logan Paul,

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as bad as it is to say, is the bigger star here,

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has more tread left on the tire, has a higher ceiling. You know,

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you can go down and down the
list. I really like what Ricochet

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has done here. I think the
match is going to be phenomenal, But

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it's a slam dunk. It's gonna
be Logan Paul. It should be Logan

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Paul. It has to be Logan
Paul. Yeah, no, I'm still

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I'm with your pick. I'm going
to also choose Logan Paul to win,

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but as not as confidently. And
the reason I say that is a couple

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of reasons. Number One, Logan
Paul got the best of Ricochet going into

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the pay per view. Now that
is certainly not a hard and fast rule,

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but I'd say the majority, not
the overwhelming, but the majority of

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the time the person getting the advantage
going into the event doesn't win. Certainly

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not a rule of thumb, but
it's you know, it's prominent. So

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there's that. Also, Ricochet has
gotten more support and caught more fire over

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the last two weeks in the last
two years, so perhaps they're thinking they

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have something here with him. And
Ricochet is you know, he's not an

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old man either. I mean he's
he's still he's certainly not as young as

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Logan Paul. But he's got a
lot more mileage on his body, yes,

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but he still can perform at the
highest of levels. He doesn't show

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any signs of wear and tear.
So I'm still going with Logan Paul.

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I agree, but I could see
them being tempted by Ricochet. And there's

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gonna be a lot of holy s
chance for this one. A lot of

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this is awesome, chance a lot, maybe a fight forever chance. This

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could be that. And honestly,
I'm more not even concerned about the quality.

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We know what the quality is going
to be. I'm concerned about the

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actual health and safety of these men, like because they know what level they've

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taken this too for expectations. We've
seen what they can do, and seeing

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Logan Paul nearly break his neck the
last time they met, was that was

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a scary I mean, yeah,
sure, I don't like Logan Paul in

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a personal level either. I don't. I don't, you know, there's

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a lot I don't like about him, but I think he's a great heal

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and I have no problem with him
being in this in WW. But that

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all aside. I mean, there
are two human beings, and I'm genuinely

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concerned that they're gonna take risks that
they don't need to take just to raise

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the bar to that next level and
give something the crowd will never forget.

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Like, if that's the mentality,
I'm genuinely gonna be worried about, like

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just the health and safety of these
two men. Do you think that that's

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a concern or do you think that
that is not something you're gonna be looking

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at, going, yeah, they'll
be fine, Honestly. I mean with

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Ricochet, I've seen enough to just
assume that he's gonna be okay. And

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after that spot that they both took
and money in the bank, I think

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Logan Paul has earned that bev hitted
out too. Like he may be the

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most natural gifted at and naturally gifted
athlete I say, I mean steps seamlessly

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into wrestling. Ever, it's absolutely
insane how athletic that guy is and how

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much of a natural he is.
So honestly, I'm gonna give them both

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the benefited doubt. I'm not worried
for either of their health. Well,

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I am worried for their health,
but I'm not worried that they're going to

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mess up and hurt themselves, if
that makes sense. I just think that

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you can make the argument argument that
they are the two most natural athletes in

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WWB right now. That's crazy to
say when you have the likes of seth

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rawlins and ag styles and so on
and so forth. Agreed, Yeah,

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no, and they are professionals.
They you know, ww wouldn't be putting

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them together. They actually feared for
the health and safety of both of these

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men. But inherently, I don't
care how good you are. Inherently they

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are going to be performing at a
higher risk and the wrestler than the rest

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of the card because of the moves
they're doing. Gravity doesn't discriminate. I

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mean, gravity doesn't discriminate. The
laws of physics don't discriminate. You can

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be as talented in the world as
you want to be, but you're inherently

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taking more risk the way in the
style that these men are going to perform

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at. So that is just my
concern. I'm just gonna be keeping a

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keen eye on this with a little
bit of a little bit of an air

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of safety on my mind just because
of what happened before and the way that

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both men wrestle is. So anyway, I'm looking forward to it. We

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all know what it's going to be. It's gonna be a highlight reel,

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which again it's been built around them
having a viral match, instead of them

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talking about caring about winning, which
I don't. Any time that that happens,

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I'm never a fit. It should
be about hey, I'm gonna beat

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you, I'm gonna win. Instead
they're talking both about just putting on a

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great show. Not my favorite narrative
going in that should be a byproduct of

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what they do. I never like
when it's the focus. It's like pulling

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back the curtain a little too much
for me. But I don't know.

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Maybe does that bother you at all? Um? I guess yeah, because

403
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:12.880
it's kind of like when didn't Sasha
Banks I used to say, I want

404
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:18.079
to tear the house down that,
Yeah, we're gonna make history history history.

405
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.599
It's like, no, what about
winning? Yeah? And I agree,

406
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:22.400
like, why are you guys here? Is it not to win?

407
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.160
Because that's when he kind of exposes
the business as like a spectacle like cert

408
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:30.279
disilate. Right, So I try
and just bypass that, and I just

409
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.240
I try and ignore it. But
when you really break down, like the

410
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.759
actual comment, it does bother me
for sure. Yeah, it's again,

411
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.440
Yeah I too. I just shut
it off and I go just just shut

412
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.359
up and can we talk about winning? Right? But anyway, all right,

413
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:47.480
let's get to a few more matches
here. Let's talk about the tribal

414
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:52.559
combat for the undisputed w W Universal
Championship. This is also on the line.

415
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:57.559
Here is the recognition of who the
travel chief is Roman Rains versus JAU,

416
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:02.039
So I will just give my pick
and then I'll toss it to you.

417
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.480
I think this is also no doubt
or kind of a slam donc Juso

418
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:10.559
loses and I think Roman Rains retains. But there's a lot of X factors

419
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:14.119
here and I'll just let you have
the floor. Yeah, you know what.

420
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:18.119
I kind of went back and forth
a little bit because I've seen reports

421
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:26.880
of Roman Reigins taking a hiatus post
SummerSlam and that I think he's only advertised

422
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:32.640
for one PLI Being Survivors series between
now and twenty twenty four. And it's

423
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:37.640
really parton a shame that that's the
case, because if you really think about

424
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:44.759
it, he hasn't been head to
head with anyone but his fellow Bloodline members

425
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:49.160
since WrestleMania with Cody Rhodes, and
I really think that I'm I'm craving like

426
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:55.200
a Roman Rains feud other than just
the civil war within the Bloodline. I

427
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:59.440
think you mentioned it on your weekend
review that while this has been awesome,

428
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.839
the civil war war angle, enough
is enough. We have to move on.

429
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:06.119
We have to move on to bigger
and better things. And it feels

430
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.680
like, while it will be that
it will be the end of the civil

431
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:14.400
war angle with the bloodline, that
we still will have to wait to see

432
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.880
the next step for Roman Reigns.
So that's why I kind of thought for

433
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:21.400
a bit, will they give it
to Ja because j will maybe stick around

434
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:23.720
and then he could have a short
run with the title and then maybe drop

435
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.720
it to an La Night, or
drop it to a returning Randy Orton,

436
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:32.319
or drop it to a Bobby Lashly
or an AJ Styles or whoever. That's

437
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:37.559
the only, only, only reason
why I even given Jusso a slim of

438
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.720
hope, just because he could have
a short title reign and then drop it

439
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.319
at the very next pay per view
to one of the guys I just mentioned.

440
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:47.720
But it just makes more sense to
keep it on Roman Reigns. You

441
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:52.759
still have tread left on that tire. What's happening with who with Voldemort?

442
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.160
Is he going to come back?
You know, there's still a lot of

443
00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.720
storytelling to be had with this version
of Roman Reigns as the underst to Champion.

444
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.319
It just sucks that it feels like
we're going to have to wait till

445
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.759
Survivors series, if not later,
to see the next chapter in Roman reigns

446
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:14.920
his career in his next chapter as
Industry Champion and see his first program with

447
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.680
someone not directly within the Bloodline since
WrestleMania. We are now Yeah, I

448
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:25.279
mean, as we talked about this
is this is four months now since he's

449
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.720
defended his title, last four months. And that's not to say, as

450
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:32.799
we've all known, the television storytelling
between the Bloodline and the Civil War and

451
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.160
all that has been really good.
But now we're in a post We're in

452
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:40.279
a post Bloodline era, and that
means Roman has to go outside and finally

453
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:44.359
go outside of his bubble of the
family, unless Dwayne comes back, which

454
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:49.559
yeah, I'm still torn on if
there's a possibility of that happening at Summerslimon,

455
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:53.160
I'm leaning no. I'm leaning no
on that. I think that Grayson

456
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.799
Waller is going to be the connection
that brings him in. He continues to

457
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:00.880
talk about him, and Grayson Waller
continues to talk about him in almost talk

458
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.319
about or do the People's Elbow.
I mean, like Grayson Waller right now

459
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:07.880
seems to be that connection that's keeping
this whole thing alive. But I don't

460
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.839
think that the rock appears here at
at Summers Slam. I'm saying no,

461
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.799
but not not an absolute no.
Um, but Roman retains. I'm with

462
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.440
you there. Tribal combat obviously,
is just a fancy way to say no

463
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:23.400
DQ. Uh. I mean,
it's just tell me what the differences between

464
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:29.240
tribal combat and no DQ and and
you know you can't. It's it's all

465
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:30.440
just talking about a street fight.
I mean, there's so many ways to

466
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.039
say no disqualification. This is just
a new way to say it, which

467
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:38.920
is fine, it's marketing makes sense. But Roman Rains retains. And there

468
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.119
is an argument that you laid out
which where Jay could win. But if

469
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:45.319
Roman Rains is going to take time
off here and do what he does and

470
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:49.240
not compete for or put his title
on the line till Survivor series, that's

471
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.599
what another three months because that's in
November. So now, I mean that

472
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:57.079
would mean that Roman Rains would defend
his title twice in six months, and

473
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:02.119
that's just I mean, that's just
as it's just ridiculous. I understand that

474
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:07.039
he's the heel champion and that he
don't want him to be overexposed, but

475
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.319
I mean, you've just taken it
to the other extreme and inflated his numbers

476
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:14.359
that we've talked about countless times here, but it is what it is.

477
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:16.599
We've accepted at this point, we're
gonna have to eat it whether we like

478
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:21.440
it or not. I guess my
question to you is, if it's not

479
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:25.920
Dwayne, do you think anyone does
come out well? While Roman Reigns is

480
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:30.839
celebrating that we all anticipate holding up
his championships, the fireworks are going off.

481
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:35.400
It's the same old thing we've seen
for three years. Now. Do

482
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:42.359
you see anyone, Randy Bray,
anybody that maybe I'm not thinking of coming

483
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:50.279
out and identifying who Roman's next opponent
is. I mean, there's several candidates

484
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.920
you could go with, and I
think that's why it makes more sense to

485
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:59.359
have Roman Reigns keep the championship.
Among authors you just brought up to Bray

486
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:04.440
and Randy, I really think Bobby
Lashley is a good one. Bobby Lashley

487
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:08.559
would probably pose the most serious threat
during his title reign, with the exception

488
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:13.839
of Drew and Cody Rhodes. I
mean, he's forming what seems to be

489
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:17.759
a new version of the Hurt business
with the street profits, so he would

490
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:23.799
have some backup to counter to kind
of counter set or offset to Solo Sakoa.

491
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:30.240
But honestly, this is my other
fear here is that nobody's going to

492
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.880
come out and Roman Reigns is just
going to ride off into the sunset until

493
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.559
November and then, as we've said, going back, what fifteen months now,

494
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:43.680
that we're just going to artificially tack
months and weeks and days on to

495
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.599
his title reign and like you said, six months to title defenses. You

496
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:52.400
know, I don't like this at
all, and I think that's the only

497
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.240
reason why I've tried to tap myself
into picking j even though I know it

498
00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:00.279
doesn't make that much sense, just
because I don't want the WWE champion Ship

499
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.960
to disappear, and it feels like
until Survivors Series it will like I mean,

500
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.400
maybe they could set something up with
a Bobby Lashley, but I mean

501
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:14.320
Bobby Lashley hasn't really been a part
of SmackDown since being drafted there in April,

502
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:16.960
So are you going to have him
confront Roman Reigns and not have an

503
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:22.039
in ring match until Survivor Series?
Are you gonna have a returning Randy Orton

504
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.280
confront Roman Reigns and not have a
match until Survivor Series. Ditto for bray

505
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:30.320
Wyatt. I mean, it's like
it's damned if you do if damned if

506
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.639
you don't. Because if you take
the belt off of Roman Reigns, you're

507
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:38.320
ending the most historic title run arguably
ever and certainly in the last decade,

508
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:43.079
decade and a half, two decades. But if you keep the bells on

509
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.519
him, yeah, down the road
you're gonna get some really good matches,

510
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:50.719
some really good segments, some really
good stories. But in the interim and

511
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.320
in the short term, there's gonna
be nothing going on in the main events

512
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:57.840
scene. So I mean, it's
weird. I'm looking forward to the match,

513
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.360
but no matter what the result is, I'm not looking forward to it

514
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:06.280
because there just really seems to be
no positive unless the rumors are wrong and

515
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:10.719
he isn't going on hiatus post SummerSlam. But assuming that the rumors are true,

516
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:15.480
and historically going back fifteen months,
that has been the case with Roman

517
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:22.199
Reigns post winning the Undisputed Championship against
Brock at WrestleMania in twenty twenty two,

518
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:27.079
I fear that even if he help
wins the championship he retains it, it

519
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.239
will be several months before we see
him against a fresh opponent. Yeah.

520
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.519
See, that's the thing. We're
just going on assumption that these reports are

521
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:39.239
true, that he's not actually going
to compete again until Survivor Series and challenge

522
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:43.400
anybody for the title. But here's
the thing. It doesn't mean that,

523
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.280
for example, Dwayne, if he
comes out and stares down at Roman,

524
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:51.400
gives him a rock Bottom or it
doesn't do anything physical. Just you kind

525
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:55.280
of just have that final interaction of
hey, here's what's to come. They

526
00:35:55.360 --> 00:36:00.440
can easily just kind of talk about
it over the next couple of months and

527
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.320
then eventually Roman will address it.
Rock doesn't show up again for a little

528
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.760
while again, because you have what
seven months, eight months until the next

529
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:12.679
time that they have to build it, or then until they actually have their

530
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:16.360
matchup Mania. So again, that's
all there's a lot of assumptions going on

531
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.840
here. But that's how you could
do it. I mean, just because

532
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:23.599
somebody returns big, big name,
whether it's Randy or Rock and then just

533
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:30.800
kind of give Roman like a warning
shot and give him time to prepare.

534
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:35.199
They certainly have no issues stringing out
Roman's programs at all. This doesn't need

535
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.000
to be at payback. They could
do it at what's the next one fast

536
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:42.920
Lane and then Survivor Series, so
they could easily do that. Even if

537
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.800
a big name returns, it doesn't
exempt somebody from returning. It's Roman Reigns

538
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.440
is run is not a traditional run. See. That's the thing too,

539
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:53.199
is like this is a very unique
run, and that means that if someone

540
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:57.400
returns, it doesn't mean that that
person has to be facing Roman at the

541
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.599
next pay per view. We all
know that's not Reigns his schedule anymore.

542
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:05.480
So I don't know. I guess
I'm trying to talk myself into something exciting

543
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.360
happening at the end of SummerSlam,
as we kind of imagine him standing there,

544
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:15.039
Paul Hammond's got the two belts holding
that up. Romans got his one

545
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:21.400
Universal Universal Championship, and you know, maybe the show ends there, But

546
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.719
I don't know. I can't imagine
them ending the WrestleMania of the summer with

547
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:30.039
just that visual that we've seen countless
times before. So no, I agree

548
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:34.880
with you. It's just I really
hope that he doesn't disappear completely, Like

549
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.239
if you don't want him have it, if you don't want him to have

550
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:40.119
a match until Servar series that sucks
in and of itself because you have what

551
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:44.559
two pay per views between now and
then the next one is Payback, and

552
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:50.480
then you have fast Lane, and
I don't know if there's a crowd Jewel

553
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:54.000
somewhere mixed in. Usually there seems
to be one in late October or early

554
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:59.360
November. But I mean, if
you're gonna just leap frog three pay per

555
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:04.199
views and he's not going to wrestle
again until late November, I don't know.

556
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.119
It's it's kind of again old.
Like he hasn't had a singles match

557
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:14.039
since WrestleMania. Think about that.
Okay, there you had the singles match

558
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:16.800
in Mexico against Ray Mysterio. I
have a show, but I'm not counting

559
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:21.960
that. He hasn't had a televised
singles match since WrestleMania. Yeah, it

560
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:23.320
didn't happen on television. It didn't
happen. I mean, it's just the

561
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:27.400
way it is. And not only
that, but no one on SmackDown is

562
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.679
even talking about the Universal Championship,
Like, no one on SmackDown's even trying

563
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:36.519
to chase it. Yep. It's
it's like nobody has cross passed with Roman

564
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:43.079
Reigns other than his fellow Bloodline members
since the Raw after WrestleMania when they when

565
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.960
they started the Brock and Cody Rhodes
angle, Like nobody has acknowledged him.

566
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:52.280
The new guys on SmackDown haven't acknowledged
him, Shamus hasn't acknowledged him, Bobby

567
00:38:52.400 --> 00:39:00.639
Lashley, aj Styles La Night,
nobody like Ray Mysterio Center, Like it's

568
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.480
like he doesn't exist. I know, he's in his own There's there's the

569
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:08.079
Roman Rain Show, and then there's
just everyone else on SmackDown and everyone just

570
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:13.719
pretends you're right, like Roman doesn't
exist. Yeah, And I don't want

571
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.559
to crap on this because I love
the blood Line. I do think it's

572
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:21.400
gotten a bit monotonous now with Jay
and this and that, But again that's

573
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.119
only because like the blood Line kind
of just lives in their own bubble,

574
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:29.880
aside from when the USOS fights someone
from the outside. You know, Solo

575
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.000
was doing that from for a bit, but now he's been attached with Roman

576
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:36.679
Ragins at the hip. And I
do like the content. It's great storytelling,

577
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:42.400
it's phenomenal, but it's just gotten
a bit redundant because it's the same

578
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:47.360
thing and we know that in less
you're solo or Paul Hayman or the USO's

579
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:52.960
You're not going to be seen with
Roman Reigns on television. It's like he

580
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.000
has like, like I don't know, it's like he has like a three

581
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:59.760
hundred foot long meter stick like and
he's just walking around and they have to

582
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:05.079
keep that radius from him like other
wrestlers like. And it sucks because I

583
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:08.039
like Roman Reigns. I think he's
awesome. He's must watch television. He's

584
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:12.199
one of the best promos in WWE
right now. And I don't say that

585
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:16.079
lightly. His facial expressions, he's
epic, but it's just like it has

586
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:19.719
to be a bit different. And
the fact that he hasn't had a singles

587
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:23.480
match since WrestleMania is just it's non
negotiable. I'm sorry, it's non negotiable.

588
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:28.880
I'm not saying that he has to
fight every single SmackDown or every second

589
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:32.599
SmackDown, even like I do think
there should be some benefit to being champion

590
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.079
and that should be a reduced work
schedule. Don't tell that seth rawlins though,

591
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:39.360
But I mean, I don't know, the fact that he hasn't had

592
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:46.199
his singles match since WrestleMania is absolutely
insane to me. There is a lot

593
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:49.760
to be desired with the run.
As good as a story, no,

594
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:54.639
as great as a storytelling has been
in credit to all involved, the wrestlers

595
00:40:54.719 --> 00:41:00.079
and the writers and in production everybody. But it's time to trying to change

596
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.440
things up. It's time to move
out of the family. It's time to

597
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.679
give Roman Reigns a real opponent.
And fine, you want to skip Payback,

598
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.519
We've kind of been We've been a
customed to Roman skipping every other pay

599
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:14.599
per view. But when you go
multiple pay per views in a row now

600
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.280
where he doesn't have a match of
any of any any note, and then

601
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.039
doesn't have a singles match and he's
not defending his title, and no one

602
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:27.360
on SmackDown is talking about it,
it's a little much. So it's funny

603
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:31.519
because those on SmackDown that were with
Roman Reigns during the time that Raw didn't

604
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:35.320
have a title, we're probably like, well, you know, even though

605
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:37.400
we have a champion here, we
might as well not have a champion here

606
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.239
because he's in his own world.
Like it doesn't you know, it's it's

607
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:44.960
it's he's here, but he's not. So like, sure, Raw doesn't

608
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:46.400
have a champion, for all intents
and purposes, not either, do we

609
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:50.960
That's how I'd feel if I was
on SmackDown. But so anyway, Yeah,

610
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.079
the dynamic needs to change. And
I'm not saying like he said,

611
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.360
Roman needs to compete at every house
show and be there at every SmackDown.

612
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:58.599
M No, no, no,
no, I don't mind that he's there

613
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:01.320
every three smackdowns. I really don't, or even more to that degree.

614
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:05.360
But if he just disappears off the
face of the earth between now and Survivor

615
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:09.559
stories, that's inexcusable. No,
that cannot happen. But all right,

616
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:13.599
any any final thoughts as we get
to the last couple of matches here,

617
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:15.800
No, I'm Roman Rainstowe, Right, let's go. All right, So

618
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:22.679
the Women's Championship triple threat Oscar Charlotte
Bianca. Who's your pick? You know

619
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.280
it's crazy to say, but I'm
going to Oscar and I don't think there's

620
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:28.639
gonna be a cash and I think
there's gonna be a failed cash in.

621
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.199
She's gonna keep the briefcase, but
shots he'll get involved. Um, here's

622
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:36.559
the here's my reasoning. And it's
crazy because I'm not a big fan of

623
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:40.000
Oscar, the character but I just
think it's because if you put the belt

624
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:44.960
on Charlotte, it's just like another
I don't want to say meaningless title run

625
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:46.679
for Charlotte, but it feels like
it would just be kind of forced.

626
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:51.440
And I just I don't think you
could put the smack Down or SmackDown the

627
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.400
w w E Championship back on her
or the Women's whatever they're calling it.

628
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:59.440
They can't put that belt back on
Charlotte right away because she just dropped it

629
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:05.000
not too long ago at WrestleMania,
although that was the old World Championship,

630
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.119
but it was on SmackDown. Kind
of confusing how to follow the lineages,

631
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.199
as we talked about a few weeks
ago. But I just don't think the

632
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.960
time is right for Charlotte with Bianca. I mean, she just dropped it

633
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.760
out too long ago after holding it
for well over a year. So I

634
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:21.559
mean, I don't think you have
to let that breathe a bit. You

635
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.960
have to keep Bianca and chaseboad for
a bit. And as far as Eo

636
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:30.000
skycashing in, I just think you
need a lengthy kind of run with a

637
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:36.480
woman holding the briefcase because aside from
Carmela, who was the first ever woman's

638
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.119
money in the bank holder, and
I think she held it until the SmackDown

639
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:45.639
after WrestleMania in twenty eighteen, so
she held it for about I think it

640
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:51.000
was eight months or so. Every
other woman has cashed it in in like

641
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:53.400
two months or less, like Alexa
Bliz cashed it in on the same night

642
00:43:53.440 --> 00:44:00.199
in twenty eighteen. In twenty nineteen, it was who won. In twenty

643
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:05.800
nineteen, it's escaping me now.
But in twenty twenty Oscar won the briefcase

644
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.480
and then was awarded the women's championship. In twenty twenty one, oh yeah,

645
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:12.880
and twenty nineteen, Bailey won the
briefcase and cashing in on the same

646
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:17.000
light as well. Then you got
Oscar winning the championship with because Becky Lynch

647
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:21.079
was pregnant, she had to step
away. So then when she opened the

648
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.320
briefcase she became the women's champion.
Twenty twenty one, it was Nicky ash

649
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:29.199
and she cashed it in several weeks
after all, in the briefcase last year,

650
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.239
you had Lived Morgan cash it in
soon after weighing the briefcase. So

651
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:37.559
I mean, I just think that
Yoski should keep the briefcase for several months,

652
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.559
if not well past six months,
just because there's a story to tell

653
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:44.880
with her and Bailey. They have
the shotsy thing going on. So it's

654
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:49.039
almost like a process of elimination with
me, not so much because I think

655
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.199
Oscar should hold onto the bill,
but more because all the other options don't

656
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:59.679
make sense right now. So your
pick is Oscar retaining, I'm gonna go

657
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:07.880
Charlotte winning, but the reason is
okay, so she's my first pick,

658
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:12.960
but a very close second is Oscar
retaining. Bianca Belair winning is a distant

659
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.760
third. I think there's almost no
chance of Bianca Belair winning, probably next

660
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:22.639
to zero. But the reason I
say Charlotte Flair wins is that I think

661
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.840
that her being a fourteen time champion, they want to get it to fifteen

662
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:30.960
quickly so that they can eventually get
to sixteen. And when would that sixteenth

663
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:35.320
happen? Maybe towards WrestleMania season,
where they could actually, you know,

664
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.920
put on a celebration, maybe her
dad comes out, all that kind of

665
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:44.000
thing where her dad and her are
also their co sixteen time champions. They

666
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.800
like that kind of thing that that
shouldn't be the sole reason that you change

667
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:52.400
championships, but it is a strong
reason with Charlotte Flair there. But of

668
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:57.079
course the at X that X factor
that you mentioned EO Sky and the Bailey

669
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.239
thing, and does she cash it
in quickly? As women cash a women's

670
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:04.639
money, the bank holders cannot hold
out more than like five seconds to cash

671
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.159
in, and actually having a woman
hold on to it longer than you know,

672
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:13.480
like like you said, for such
a short time, I'm gonna say,

673
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:16.159
Charlotte, but then I'm gonna say
that, uh, you know,

674
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:23.280
EO Sky tries to cash in and
maybe doesn't even have the bell ring because

675
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:29.199
Bailey screws her over or screws over
you know, her screws over EO before

676
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:32.800
or as she cashes in her cash
in's official and then Bailey ends up screwing

677
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:37.440
her over, and then you get
a Bailey EO program, and Charlotte is

678
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.440
working with you know, still working
with Oscar and uh, you know,

679
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.800
I've heard rumors also too of her
Nia Jack's return. I don't know if

680
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:46.800
that's true or not. If Nia
Jax gets injected in here. She did

681
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:51.880
come back for what the Rumble or
something this past year, so she is

682
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:57.079
floating out there in the ether as
a discussion. But you know, I

683
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.079
still think she does Charlotte does win, but boys is a slim margin of

684
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:06.320
confidence, and that's what I think. So yeah, no, I just

685
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:08.719
on the EO Sky front, I
would like her to keep that briefcase pass

686
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:14.519
WrestleMania, Like I think the art
of holding the briefcase for like eight to

687
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:17.400
nine months is a lost one.
I don't even remember the last person to

688
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:22.159
hold it that long, maybe like
on the women's side it was Carmela who

689
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:24.840
was the first ever women's money in
the bank holder. Even on the men's

690
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:29.599
side, like who was the last
guy to hold it that length? Like

691
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:35.199
I can't even remember something like I
guess the miss but he wanted away from

692
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:38.119
Otis, So does that even really
count? You know? Everyone else has

693
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:43.239
cash it in typically by the fall
after winning it sometime during the summer,

694
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.159
So I don't know. And I
think that with EO. Sky they could

695
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:50.840
use the next eight to nine months
to build up her character. And we

696
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.760
talked about it last week or the
week before, two weeks ago actually because

697
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:59.800
we haven't been current State in a
few weeks, but we've spoken about it

698
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.280
recently. That the women's division is
in good shape. Right now. They

699
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:07.719
have a lot of top heavy talent, So there is absolutely no rush to

700
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:12.880
shoehorn EO Sky into the women's championship
picture before she's ready. And as you

701
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.960
mentioned, there's a story to tell
with Bailey, there's a story to tell

702
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:22.639
with whatever shots he's gonna whatever role
she's gonna play in this presumably when Dakota

703
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.480
Kai comes back, there's a story
to tell between Dakota and EO. Like,

704
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:29.760
I think that if you play this
right, the next eight months could

705
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:32.079
be a really good build for EO. You have the top talent on the

706
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:36.519
women's side in the meantime to tread
water and then some it's not even trading

707
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.480
water. You have some good programs
that you could have with Osca, with

708
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:45.000
Charlotte, with Bianca, if Nia
Jackson returns, there's no reason to rush

709
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:49.639
it with EO. Oh yeah,
no, I'm all for it. And

710
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.239
what I would also like, and
this goes for the men's side of things

711
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:53.960
too, what the briefcase is,
don't carry it around all the time.

712
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:58.960
Yeah, Like I want to kind
of forget that you're the money the bank

713
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.719
briefcase holder, where you know,
you go several months and then they don't

714
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:06.000
have the briefcase, but they're still
the minding in bank briefcase holder and they

715
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:07.239
only cash it in when they're you
know, they're running out to cash it

716
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.719
in. I just think, you
know, out of sight, out of

717
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:13.400
mind, and if they do it
for a longer period of time, that

718
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.559
would be good. They don't need
to carry her is it Are they obligated

719
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.039
to carry it around all the time, like every time? You know what

720
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.199
I mean? Like, is it
part of the part of the package deal?

721
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.880
I don't understand it. I just
think it's a missed opportunity where you

722
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:30.400
could just kind of put it out
of the minds of fans and they just

723
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.000
don't have to carry it around with
every place they go. Like it's just

724
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.119
I don't know. I know that
they're trying to remind the fans, but

725
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:40.559
at the same time reminding the fans
it takes away the surprise element. So

726
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:46.000
anyway, Yeah, so again,
I think Oscar is a strong, very

727
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:51.239
close second at least in my opinion
and Charlotte Flair. But again, Oscar

728
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:54.480
is a boring champion. I'm sorry. I think you said that too.

729
00:49:54.599 --> 00:50:00.440
She's so boring, and I hate
saying that because she's trying. She's like

730
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.000
the face paint, the new outfit, the new haircut. She actually had

731
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:07.840
a dialogue on SmackDown this past week
that was more that she said in two

732
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.760
minutes than in like five years.
So she can speak more English than w

733
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:15.559
W WE allows her to say,
which is the extent of nobody's ready for

734
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:19.320
Osca. It's the only thing we
ever know of what she says. So

735
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.320
she can speak a little more English
than at least WW leads on and I

736
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:28.320
think that that is a massive limiting
factor for her, that they're not allowing

737
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.599
her to do it. And maybe
they loosen up on that, but either

738
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:35.360
way, if they keep Osca as
she is, she's so boring. I

739
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:38.960
understand she's healed, but she's just
hates. It's weird to say, but

740
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:44.400
she's a snooze fest because you know
what you're gonna get with her. We've

741
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:49.639
seen every version of her that we
could possibly see. There's no more layers

742
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:52.599
of the onion to peel back with
her. Because I think of promos,

743
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:58.239
not being able to cut promos is
a massive problem. I don't care who

744
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.159
you are, so other way,
last thing I'll say, I think this

745
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:06.079
match has the potential to be in
the conversation for Match of the Night.

746
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.679
I think we're kind of sleeping on
that too. Which the talent involved in

747
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:13.840
this matchup is top tier, So
I think this could be really a match

748
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:15.800
that a lot of people are looking
at going but it could be Match of

749
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.599
the night. It could be could
I don't think it will be, but

750
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.880
it maybe in top three. All
right, let's get to the last two

751
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:28.320
here, Seth Rollins Finn Balor.
This is another not so easy one for

752
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:32.599
the World Heavyweight Championship. Go ahead. I'm picking Finn Balor just because I

753
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:36.320
think there's more of a story to
be told, and I think in the

754
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:43.440
triple h WWE or Triple hs w
W, EA should say that's typically been

755
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:46.840
the way that they book, that
they always do what's best for the long

756
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:52.320
term story outlook. And I don't
know if it's I don't know if Seth

757
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:57.840
Seth Rawlins is stale, but for
me, I think that they could do

758
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:01.480
a lot more with Finn. Let's
be honest, the Judgment Day is the

759
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:06.519
best thing of that Monday Night Raw
has going right now. And that's crazy

760
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:08.559
to say, and it's insane what
a world title could do for a show

761
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:13.480
because I don't know if it's must
watch because it is three hours and it

762
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:16.360
is tough to get through. But
since they reshuffled the deck and brought in

763
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:21.199
a world title and switched up the
rosters, Raw has been that much better.

764
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:25.079
You have Gunther and Drew McIntyre feuding
over the Interconnal Championship, you have

765
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:29.960
the tag team titles predominantly living on
Monday Night Raw, and you have a

766
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:32.719
world title to chase. And the
Judgment Day have had their fingers in that

767
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:38.039
pie since its inception back in May. And I think that because of the

768
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:45.519
history of Finn Balor and seth Rawlins
at SummerSlam seven years ago over a world

769
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:50.800
Championship, the title reign that was
robbed from Finnbalor, I think it just

770
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:54.000
makes all the sense in the world
for Finn Balor to dethrone seth Rawlins.

771
00:52:54.480 --> 00:53:00.639
And I think that there's such a
story to be told with Finn Balor and

772
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:06.639
the Judgment Day all kind of holding
gold in some capacity. Obviously, Damian

773
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:13.360
Priest just has the briefcase, but
that does presumably will or will presumably translate

774
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:17.960
into gold and then you can continue
down the path of the fracture between Damian

775
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:22.800
Priest and Finn Balor, and they
can drag this on if they play their

776
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:27.360
cards right all the way into Royal
Rumbull season between Finn Balor and Damian Priests.

777
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:31.960
And I just think that that would
be amazing storytelling and amazing theater on

778
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:37.599
Monday Night Raw if you just had
Judgment Day dominating. But every week,

779
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:42.079
bit by bit, with each passing
night, you see that fracture going thicker

780
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.719
and thicker with Finn Balor finally having
his world title reign that was taken away

781
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:50.840
from him seven years ago, but
Damian Priests lurking in the weeds with that

782
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:55.320
briefcase chomping at the bit for his
first ever run as a world champion,

783
00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:59.719
and seth Rowns, you know,
could take a long deserved break. It

784
00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:02.880
is been what two years running now
that he's been one of the bigger workhorses

785
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:07.400
in WWE, has been the top
guy on Monday Night Raw, going back

786
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:09.679
to last year round this time when
they didn't have a world title to defend

787
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:13.840
off. And then you can move
on to bigger and better things. So

788
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.920
I mean, I don't know,
I hate saying to take the world title

789
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:22.159
off of Seth Rawlins just two plus
two months and change after winning it.

790
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.559
But I just feel like there's such
better of a story to be told with

791
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:30.519
Finn Balor. This is difficult.
This is really difficult. There are strong

792
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:37.039
cases for both. You're right,
the Judgment Day is an absolute shining star

793
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:42.519
of Raw. There may not be
another opportunity to put gold on nearly all

794
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:46.880
the members of Judgment Day. The
Judgment Day have never been hotter. The

795
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:52.920
fracture did start again on Raw between
Damian and Finn, with Finn doing that

796
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:59.119
one to two second hesitation that costs
Damian the cash in on Rollins to beat

797
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:02.000
him for the world title Raw.
So there's that that started again. So

798
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:08.960
the question is does Damien return the
favor and give Finn a receipt during his

799
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:16.559
match with Seth where you know,
a momentary hesitation by Damian costs Finn the

800
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:22.000
match and there's no cash in,
but there's a you know that that hesitation

801
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:25.920
that costs Finn the match and Seth
Rollins retains. There's there's that argument,

802
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:30.519
and to be honest or to be
fair, Seth hasn't had exactly a long

803
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:32.519
reign with that championship yet, if
I mean he wanted what back in May,

804
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:37.360
so he's only had it for two
and a half months or so.

805
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.639
So there's you know, it's not
exactly a long reign by any any standard.

806
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:45.000
So there's that. And then also
we already have a massive heel champion

807
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:50.440
on SmackDown, and the argument of
well, the world heavyweight title was created

808
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:52.920
for a baby face to counter that, of which I think they've gone way

809
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.840
too far to the other other extreme. But it was designed to have a

810
00:55:55.960 --> 00:56:00.000
champion that's a fighting champion and all
this nonsense. So if you have a

811
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:05.079
heel champion, while they'll be there
much more than a Roman reins is on

812
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:08.400
SmackDown, it's still a heel champion
and you got that same dynamic. So

813
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:12.039
there's that argument against it. Now
the argument for it is the one you

814
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:15.519
laid out, which I'm not gonna, you know, repeat piece by piece.

815
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:20.320
But Finn winning a world title is
no problem here. The symmetry of

816
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:24.360
seven years ago. I think they'll
try to replicate that spot that injured Finn.

817
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:27.559
I don't think they'll they'll do it, or if they do it,

818
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.440
I'm sure they they'll do it a
little bit safer this time, you know,

819
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:35.280
as WW likes to reenact things.
I think that may be the very

820
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:38.960
spot that Seth tries to or you
know, do and the announcers remind us

821
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:43.119
that that was the spot the buckle
bomb, but it was on the outside

822
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:47.519
barricade, I believe, is what
tour Finn Boaler's shoulder. So maybe they

823
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:52.519
do that as kind of a memorium
to seven years ago. And I love

824
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:53.920
them bringing up the history of seven
years ago. I love when they do

825
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:59.679
that stuff because it brings things full
circle. And Finn has really been shining

826
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:01.519
lately. He reminds you how damn
good he is on the mic when the

827
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:06.519
crowd isn't trying to go into business
for themselves, you know, the backstage

828
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.360
promos, the locker room promos,
all of it is so good. Finn

829
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:14.199
is so good that I have no
problem with him winning the World Heavyweight Championship.

830
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:20.360
So ultimately, what's my pick?
This is really tough. I'm going

831
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:24.079
to say Finn Balor does win.
Here I'm going to also agree with you,

832
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:29.679
But my god, is this difficult
because both men have such strong arguments.

833
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:32.840
So you're going with Balor, Yeah, Balor, but by a hair,

834
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:40.599
you know what. It's so tough
because you laid out a good argument

835
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:45.960
for the other way, But I
mean it just I don't know what how

836
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:52.039
much more they could do with Seth
as world champion right now, not forever,

837
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:54.559
but just right now. He was
the right guy at the right time

838
00:57:54.599 --> 00:58:01.480
to legitimize that World championship. But
I just feel like, given the landscape

839
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:07.159
on Monday Night Raw, like they
could do so much more with Finn Balor.

840
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:10.519
Like, look, I'll take away
from what we've talked about or you've

841
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:15.800
mentioned, and even Roman Reigns mentioned
on SmackDown. If Roman Reiins loses,

842
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:22.519
he goes back to being Roman Reigns. But then Jay Usso loses, and

843
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:25.960
who is he? What's he gonna
do? And for me, I'm saying

844
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:31.239
like, if Finn Balor loses here, like not to say that he's nothing,

845
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:35.320
but like it feels like all the
wind will be taken out of his

846
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:38.840
sales. It feels like this is
the final chance that you can finally give

847
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:44.639
Finn Balor his world championship run.
Seth Rollins loses and he'll be fine.

848
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:47.119
He'll probably take a few months off, well deserved, he'll come back,

849
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:52.360
He'll still be super over. He'll
immediately be a top contender for the World

850
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:57.360
Championship, he won't lose his plays. I feel like if Finn Balor loses

851
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:01.239
here, you will not be able
to relegitimize him as a top contender for

852
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:05.840
the World Championship. And it took
them a hell of a hike to get

853
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:09.840
him to beat back into this position
because when he returned in twenty what was

854
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:13.639
a twenty seventeen, He's been a
lot of time in the mid card,

855
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.760
feuding for the Intercontinental Championship, going
to SmackDown, coming back to Raw,

856
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:22.920
then he went down to NXT,
came back up, Like this has been

857
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:27.559
a long hike to get Finn Balor
back as a true threat to a World

858
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:30.880
championship and in the main event scene. And I just think that if you

859
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:37.039
decide to have him lose here,
you will never ever get a chance again

860
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:38.679
to put him back in the main
events. And maybe that's the case,

861
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:43.440
Like maybe they just feel like he's
never going to be a main event player

862
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:46.679
for them. I just look at
the landscape of Monday Night Raw, with

863
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:52.360
the judgment day, the other competitors
that could face him in the interim,

864
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.519
Like maybe you have Sammy and Kevin
dropped the tag team titles to the Indus

865
00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:59.639
year whoever, and they each take
a turn feuding with him for the world

866
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:05.239
title as opposed to seth Rawlins.
You would imagine that after SummerSlam, his

867
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:08.400
program with them with the judgment date
is going to be wrapped up. And

868
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:13.599
I just can't really see a path
for him with that world title right away.

869
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:15.360
So I don't know, it just
feels like everything is pointing towards Flynn

870
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:21.679
right now, and also outside chance. I mean, if if Seth drops

871
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:25.559
it, I mean, what about
that infamous seth Rawlins Roman Reigns program that

872
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:31.400
we know we possible right Like I
keep proposing that trade that like Blockbuster trade

873
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:37.960
announcement, Seth going to Smackdowns and
and then Raw gets whoever. We could

874
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:39.920
we could figure that out. But
um, I don't know. I'm I'm

875
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:45.800
such a big proponent of Seth in
Roman that you know, that's another opponent

876
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:50.119
that I would love Roman to get
into, uh you know, in late

877
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:52.519
twenty twenty three here. But anyway, all right, let's get to the

878
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.760
final match here. Let's get to
Cody Rhodes. Let's get to brock Lesner

879
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:00.400
in a match that I believe does
does this have a stipulation or is this

880
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:05.679
wrestling just plain old wrestling Match number
three? I think it's plane match number

881
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:08.960
three, And to be honest,
it's the match I'm looking forward to the

882
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:14.360
least, and that is because I
have it. And I'm sorry if you

883
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:16.840
hear my cats fighting in the background. They're very being, very annoying right

884
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:23.679
now. But I would bet a
solid chunk of change that they are going

885
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:28.679
to make Cody Rhodes win. And
I know everyone loves him, but I

886
01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:31.599
cannot stand the guy right now.
I can't. And it's not him,

887
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:37.320
it's the character. He's a great
worker, he knows the business. I

888
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.039
wouldn't want m to be fired or
anything. I just I cannot take the

889
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:45.840
pandering, holier than thou character.
And I know that they're going to push

890
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:49.719
him for a victory. He hasn't
won clean since coming back to the company

891
01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:53.639
in eighteen months. And I really
don't think that brock Lesner should be a

892
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:58.360
stepping stone. And I know that
brock Lesner is in the twilight of his

893
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:01.039
career and he's done all he's had
to do and then some. But I

894
01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:07.119
just think that brock Lesner is a
valuable commodity and should keep his mystique and

895
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:10.000
should keep his aura and should keep
his legitimacy. And I you know,

896
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:15.039
maybe I'm wrong, and I hope
to God I'm wrong, but I'm so

897
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:19.440
certain that they're going to make Cody
Rhodes get the victory here, and I

898
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:21.960
just can't stand. I mean,
I know it's subjective, and I know

899
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:24.199
from an objective point of view it
makes sense, and he has more tread

900
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:28.159
left on the tire and talk baby
face and this and that and the other

901
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:30.519
thing, and then he could be
a challenger to Finn Balor. Finn Balor

902
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:35.159
actually does win the world title.
I get all that, I understand.

903
01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:40.000
I just subjectively, personally, biasedly
cannot stand Cody Rhodes. So I'm dreading

904
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:45.239
this match because I think he's gonna
win. Yeah, you're not being very

905
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:50.559
clear about your position, So I
think so Cody Rhodes has to win this.

906
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:54.719
I especially if Brock takes his a
little bit of a hiatus, which

907
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:59.639
is rumored to be happening. And
again all rumors and innuendo, we'll see.

908
01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:02.880
But Cody Rhodes is much more of
the future of w w E than

909
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:07.679
Brock is. We all know that. And even if Brock competes to WrestleMania

910
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:10.880
forty or whatever. It's the fact
that Cody Rhodes is the top baby face

911
01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:15.239
on Raw and competing with Seth of
course, but Cody Rhodes right now needs

912
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:19.360
that little bit of a push,
even if he support love his character or

913
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:22.639
not. And I'm leaning more towards
your side as well that the whole well,

914
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:25.679
I'm gonna put the you know,
I'm gonna turn my back on everyone

915
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:29.159
at home so I can see the
faces of the people here, like,

916
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:31.199
shut up, bro like you know
what I mean, like that kind of

917
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:36.519
stuck. He sucks. I'm sorry, he sucks. And I know that

918
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:38.960
everyone loves him. I know that
everyone bows at his altar. I'm sorry,

919
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:45.800
cut you off. But it's just
like it for me personally, it's

920
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:50.840
channel changing. If I find it, like if I know that, or

921
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:53.159
if I get a sense that Brock
isn't coming out, I just don't listen

922
01:03:53.199 --> 01:04:00.320
because it's always the same garbage.
It's just the same thing in his shoe,

923
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:03.320
his theme song pisses me off.
His ring gear pisses me off.

924
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:10.000
His bleach blonde hair pisses me off. His neck tattoo pisses me everything about

925
01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:14.639
him, aside from his in ring
work and promobility, pisses me off.

926
01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:17.719
I don't. I'm sorry, Like
I thought I was coming around on him

927
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.679
for a bit, but maybe it's
because I'm just a big Brock guy.

928
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:27.000
And I like the mystique that Brock
Lessner has and I like the aura and

929
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:30.239
the legitimacy he brings. And even
though he's in the twilight of his career,

930
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:32.760
I think you have to keep that
legitimacy with one of the best of

931
01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:35.239
all time. And like it or
not, Brock is one of the best

932
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:41.679
of all time. And I find
it absolutely infuriating that their positioning Cody Rhodes

933
01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:45.519
is someone that could beat him like
main event or sure future World Championshure,

934
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.760
but he's not Like I would never
think that Cody Rhodes should be able to

935
01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:53.079
come back and be Triple H Rock
or Austin or whatever. And maybe Brock

936
01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:57.519
isn't pardon me in that here,
but he's scratching the surface of it.

937
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:00.280
I don't know. It's I'm literally
getting red in the face right now.

938
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:06.519
I just I cannot stand Cody Rhodes, and I what I can't understand is

939
01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:11.400
why people love him so much.
I don't get it. He you remember

940
01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:16.440
when John Cena called Roman Reigns a
cheap bootleg off of him. He is

941
01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:20.559
a bootleg off of John seen it
except the worst. That's the end of

942
01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:26.480
my rant. I'm sorry, that's
good, No, I absolutely so.

943
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:30.280
Here's the thing. I have softened
a little bit on the Cody Rhodes a

944
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:33.440
little bit, but then he's whatever, Like you said, anytime he starts

945
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:36.920
to like you're softening on him,
going okay, like all right, I

946
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:40.400
mean he is good on promos and
all that, but the suits and the

947
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:43.559
bleachmall hair, the neck tattoo,
now that you mentioned it, that does

948
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:45.000
kind of piss me off too.
I just I don't know, it's like

949
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:48.039
he's trying to be a tough guy
when it just doesn't suit him. But

950
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:55.920
nonetheless, I M I don't like
the pandering stuff about trying to he's pretending

951
01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:58.760
he's just one of us, Like, dude, you're not. We know

952
01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:01.440
what you're doing here. Stop,
you know. I think it has a

953
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.679
lot to do with the way w
w WE envisions how they think baby Faces

954
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:09.519
should be an act instead of having
an edge and and not always trying to

955
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:13.880
be buddy buddy with the crowd.
Fans respect you more when you're not trying

956
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:16.880
to do that and just being yourself. And Cody Rhodes is taking the you

957
01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:20.000
know, let me, you know, let me tuck you into bed and

958
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:23.960
give you a kiss good night to
approach to the crowd. And I can't

959
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:26.320
that. I don't like, I
hate, I don't care who you are.

960
01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:30.239
When you pander to the crowd,
It's just it turns me off instantly.

961
01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:33.119
It's uh for I don't know why
or what that's why that turns me

962
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:36.719
off, but it does. And
that's not to say Cody Rhodes is an

963
01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:40.920
exceptional in the ring. He is. And I think this match with Brock

964
01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:45.519
is going to be very good,
and I don't know how long it's going

965
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:47.519
to go. It could be a
surprise ending. Hell, Randy Orton could

966
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:49.880
come out in r K Okay,
Cody Rhodes, there's a lot of history

967
01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:54.639
there, you know, as we
think he's going to interfere or possibly challenge

968
01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:57.840
Roman, what about Randy Orton?
You know, going on to Cody Rhodes,

969
01:06:57.880 --> 01:07:00.719
there's again it's just a wild thought. But um, yeah, as

970
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:04.280
far as this match goes, I'm
I'm with you. Cody Rhodes wins uh

971
01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:08.599
in a hard fought match. I
don't know if he's gonna hit you know,

972
01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:12.719
eighteen cross Roads to do it,
but probably he'll. He'll do it

973
01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:16.760
and then do it multiple times as
he does with his finish, and you

974
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:20.159
know, lose, and brock Lesner
will go into the you know, back

975
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:26.199
into his forests and through the trees
and and hide in his home for for

976
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:30.199
several months and come back around,
you know, probably Survivor Series or Rumble

977
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:33.360
Time is my guess. Maybe he
sticks around, but I have my doubts.

978
01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:35.960
So, uh, this is gonna
be a fun match. If you're

979
01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:40.360
just looking at it from a pure
wrestling perspective and not character perspective, it's

980
01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:43.199
gonna be awesome. Oh yeah,
it'll be awesome. You take the personal

981
01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:45.880
feelings about Cody Rhodes out of this, and I think that it'll make it

982
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:47.440
much more enjoyable. And I think
also, like you said, if you

983
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:51.159
change the opponent for Cody, I
don't think you'd have such visceral hate for

984
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:58.280
his character, at least a little
bit less. Yeah, it's I don't

985
01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:01.400
I don't know what it is,
to be honest, because I didn't hate

986
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:05.039
John Cena this extent. I was
very indifferent on John Cena. I actually

987
01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:09.840
grew to like him more as I
got older, which is weird. But

988
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:15.119
with Cody, I think because with
John Cena, I guess I just felt

989
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:18.159
like that was him, Like even
though I wasn't a huge fan of it,

990
01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:24.920
it felt genuine. It doesn't feel
genuine with Cody Rhodes. I don't

991
01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:30.720
understand how to explain it. It's
like I feel patronized when he's talking.

992
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:36.399
I don't know, yeah, but
he's trying to act cool, Like it's

993
01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:41.159
like he's trying to act nice,
but like he's talking down to me.

994
01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:45.079
I'm being condescended, but like he's
respecting me, but he's not. And

995
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:49.239
his and he has sparkles on his
pants and I'm like what why? And

996
01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:55.199
I'm looking at his tattoo. And
even the biggest Cody Rhodes Mark Jim Cornette

997
01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:58.279
talks about how much he hates his
tattoo, so that just goes to joy.

998
01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:02.720
I hate his entrance, Like every
entrance he has is like a WrestleMania

999
01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:08.720
main event entrance, like singing along
to his own theme song, the Coordinated

1000
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:13.239
Pyro, the dry Eyes, you
know, like he comes out like it's

1001
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:16.279
like he sings along to his own
theme. It's just everything about it.

1002
01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:21.399
It's just so heroic, like everything
is just so furs and it's just like,

1003
01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:28.039
dude, like come like, I
don't know it's I guess I know

1004
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:30.880
that you thought you did. It's
like Cody Rhodes, but I and I

1005
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:34.359
thought I was coming around on him, honestly. But for me it was

1006
01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:39.760
mostly because he can't take a clean
lage. Just have him take a clean

1007
01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:44.840
loss because seth Rawlins took fifty five
clean losses in a row, including three

1008
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:47.199
to to Cody Rhodes, and he's
fine. He's one of the most over

1009
01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:50.560
guys in the company. No,
it either has to be by like Solo

1010
01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:57.479
Sakoa interfering or him passing out from
pain of the Camora logue. He can't

1011
01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:00.680
just take a pin. Why who
is he? Superman? Like I don't

1012
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:03.920
know who he is, Like like
we're supposed to just assume that he's like

1013
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:08.840
God's gift to wrestling because he went
to a e W and kicked around on

1014
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:12.840
the indies for a bit, and
because he's Dusty Rhodes' son, all those

1015
01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:15.720
things together make him unstoppable, Like
I I'm sorry, I'll stop now.

1016
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:20.279
He's undeniable. What are you talking
about? Yeah, it's nuts. I

1017
01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:24.119
didn't really think that I would get
this heated vote. Cody Robe, Well,

1018
01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:27.560
I think this is the best way
I can describe it, because I

1019
01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:30.399
know the feeling you're feeling. It's
not as intense, but it's there.

1020
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:34.359
It's like he's so self aware of
how he looks at every moment that he's

1021
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:38.800
thinking about how he looks in every
moment, if that makes sense. It's

1022
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:42.720
like he's always thinking about himself in
a mirror, like yeah, like how

1023
01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:47.159
does this affect me? Yeah?
Like he's so calculated in every move he

1024
01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:53.479
makes. He's just two produced.
He's so two thousand, if that makes

1025
01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:57.279
sense. Yeah, like everything like
you said, the coordinated, the whoa,

1026
01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:00.279
all that lich you know the crowd
loves. I mean, not going

1027
01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:02.159
to convince anybody not to like that. It is. You know, I

1028
01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:08.039
get it. It's a very singalongable
song. I understand, but it is

1029
01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:14.039
it's like he's so self aware of
himself, like like where he Yeah,

1030
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:16.439
he's you can tell that in his
mind he's thinking about how how he looks

1031
01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:21.079
in that moment instead of just being
himself, and that he the pandering I

1032
01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:28.800
agree, and the just so produced
in every movement he makes. That that's

1033
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:31.680
the best way that I can possibly
describe the feeling about that. Um So,

1034
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:34.439
now we're gonna have all these people
like, oh, you guys hate

1035
01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:39.000
Cody, Well, no, we
respect him never. He is a absolute

1036
01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:42.720
asset to the roster. He's really
really good in the ring. He obviously

1037
01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:45.359
knows how to cut promos. It's
just simply that his character belongs to be

1038
01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:49.039
I think a he'll I mean,
it's just I just I continue to say

1039
01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:53.920
that when he turns, he'll eventually
in his career, hopefully he's gonna be

1040
01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:57.880
more effective I think than as a
baby face, just because he's hiding it

1041
01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:04.399
very well to most fans. But
he's inherently unlikable and he sucks, and

1042
01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:10.199
like you know, like I even
have buddies who like are more casual fans

1043
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:13.439
now, but we're really big fans, like you know, twenty years ago,

1044
01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:16.279
and like they'll always watch like pay
per views. Like one of my

1045
01:12:16.319 --> 01:12:19.600
best friends he's gonna watch Summer's Line
with me, and he always like keeps

1046
01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:26.359
tabs on like the current stuff,
but like doesn't watch every show religiously and

1047
01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:30.760
even he's just like, why do
people like Cody Rhodes like and you know

1048
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:33.560
what as a as a heel,
he would be so over as a heel

1049
01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:36.800
with me, I would want to
see I just for me, if he

1050
01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:42.520
would just to be quite honest,
to be quite honest, if he took

1051
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:47.119
a clean loss to Brock on Saturday, I would probably be that much more

1052
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:51.520
invested to see him get humbled and
then build his way back up, like

1053
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:56.479
he could not beat Brock and he
has to find himself. And that is

1054
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.199
the Cody Rhode story between now and
WrestleMania. If he just took a clean

1055
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:03.960
loss to Brock on Saturday, and
I know he won't, we both predicted

1056
01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:08.960
Cody Rhodes, but I think that
that personally for me, I would be

1057
01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:11.720
like, Okay, now, I
really want to see where they go with

1058
01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:15.000
Cody Rhodes, because he is a
talented a wrestler. He's talented on the

1059
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:18.600
mic, he knows the business,
he has all the natural abilities. It's

1060
01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:26.520
just this character that he has envisioned
for himself drives me insane. It drives

1061
01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:30.359
me nuts because it's so like you
said, Forrest and contrived, and I

1062
01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:36.119
just think that if they would take
a more traditional approach by seeing the character

1063
01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:41.319
actually build itself from the ground up, as opposed to just jumping on a

1064
01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:44.920
moving train at two hundred miles an
hour and just pushed to the moon,

1065
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:47.960
I think that would fix a lot
of things for me. I'm surprised the

1066
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:53.079
fan stuck with him through being number
thirty in the rumble and winning the rumble

1067
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:57.760
and then claiming he beat twenty nine
other men and then just immediately getting injected

1068
01:13:57.760 --> 01:14:01.640
into the main event like that.
I can't believe the fans didn't turn on

1069
01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:05.720
w doing that. I mean,
I just that still baffles me. It

1070
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:11.119
was just I don't want to go
down that road. But I don't understand

1071
01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:14.439
that decision. Obviously. Here's the
thing WWE, if they were sitting across

1072
01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:15.560
the table from us, trying to
debate us, they'd be like, well,

1073
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:18.279
listen to the reactions, like,
you know, what's their success,

1074
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:20.359
listening to the merch all that,
and I'd be like, you know what,

1075
01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:24.000
that's true, But here's the other
side of the coin for the people

1076
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:27.680
that obviously have an issue with it. But yeah, I mean it would

1077
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:30.199
be kind of we wouldn't win that
argument. Because of all the metrics and

1078
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:34.199
the crowd reactions, and he is
arguably the top two baby faces on raw

1079
01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:39.039
so and I know I'm in the
minority, and that's what drives me nuts.

1080
01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:45.800
And I can't I just don't understand
what people see to love him to

1081
01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:48.159
this X. That's what I don't
get because in ae W and I'm not

1082
01:14:48.199 --> 01:14:53.039
a big AW guy. I actually
tried to watch Dynamite the other night.

1083
01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:56.720
I'm just like, this just really
isn't for me. But in AW,

1084
01:14:56.920 --> 01:15:00.119
by all accounts, they hated his
baby face character. So is it just

1085
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:06.239
because there's that many more like children
in the audience with their families at w

1086
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:11.920
W reevents? Like I just I
don't understand how stark of a contrast there

1087
01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:15.279
could be. Yeah, I don't
know. Uh. And I was thinking,

1088
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:17.119
well, you take his entrance music
away and maybe that would do it.

1089
01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:19.960
I don't know. I mean,
people love his entrance music. It's

1090
01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:25.239
a very participatory, you know,
part of his part of his character,

1091
01:15:26.479 --> 01:15:28.920
the whole what do you want to
talk about? Thing? Every time he

1092
01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:30.640
says that, I really want someone
to punch him in the mouth for real,

1093
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:38.560
I mean, TikTok. I see
what his first ever TikTok oh god,

1094
01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:41.680
yes, yeah, oh my god, oh my god. Uh,

1095
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:44.800
it's just that that to me,
if I was to boil everything down to

1096
01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:47.479
that where he just tries to be
cute and and and and talk, you

1097
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:49.920
know, come up with the catchphrase, which I understand. You know,

1098
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:53.079
you want to be a baby phace, you gotta come up with a catchphrase.

1099
01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:56.399
But how does it make sense to
come up with a catchphrase as a

1100
01:15:56.399 --> 01:16:00.800
baby face that the crowd can't participate
in, like they should know what the

1101
01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:05.159
answer is. Why would you ask
the crowd an open ended question. That's

1102
01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:10.319
the stupidest thing you could do.
And uh, you know, he thinks

1103
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:14.039
it's just gonna catch on. And
it also is just like he always has

1104
01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:16.960
to say it with a smile on
his face, and like I really just

1105
01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:21.000
I want to just punch him right
in the mouth. He just is He's

1106
01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:25.399
like trying to be so cute about
it. That part of it is annoying

1107
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:28.560
to me. I know, some
people don't care whatever that if I was

1108
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:30.720
to boil it down to my frustrations
with him is trying to be cute with

1109
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:34.880
his catchphrases and his self awareness that
I think is off the charts. But

1110
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:39.880
anyway, all right, all right, so we'll close it up there.

1111
01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:44.920
But any final thoughts on SummerSlam or
things that we didn't mention that you want

1112
01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:47.359
to bring up, No, I
just I didn't mean to go on two

1113
01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:50.880
rants. I think I went on
a mega Cody Rhodes diet tribe and kind

1114
01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:54.800
of a rant about Roman reigns.
But I do. All I want to

1115
01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:58.239
say is that I am actually all
joke inside looking forward to this card,

1116
01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:01.439
and I'm looking forward to the pay
per view because it actually feels for since

1117
01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:05.800
last year, pay per views are
fun again, and it feels like every

1118
01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:11.199
single pay per view is delivering,
and it's a pretty cool feeling that Like

1119
01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:15.560
when there's a pay per view now
on the weekend, I'm actually excited and

1120
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:19.199
I have friends over and like it's
the way it felt for me like fifteen

1121
01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:23.159
twenty years ago as a kid.
But I'm an adult, so I get

1122
01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:26.000
to have my fiance tell me how
they give a loser. I am,

1123
01:17:27.359 --> 01:17:30.359
Oh, I know, the feeling. It doesn't go away, but and

1124
01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:33.880
I do like the shift to Saturday. I really love it. It's so

1125
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:38.199
much better again. If you're a
football fan NFL fan, obviously, coming

1126
01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:41.359
up in the next month of the
seasonal start doesn't really interfere too much with

1127
01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:45.640
that come in college football and all
that happens. But you know, it's

1128
01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:48.439
better. I'm sure the production team
in w and the wrestlers everybody loves it

1129
01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:53.399
because instead of just packing things up
and going to the hotel at eleven o'clock

1130
01:17:53.439 --> 01:17:56.680
eleven thirty at night and then having
to fly out to whatever city the next

1131
01:17:56.720 --> 01:17:59.479
day, they get that buffer day, that buffer day. I mean like

1132
01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:01.359
it just makes all the sense in
the world to make Saturday the pl e

1133
01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:05.359
night. So I hope this stays
forever. I mean I really do so.

1134
01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:10.640
All right, well, very good, and any final plugs or social

1135
01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:15.359
media you want to share, well, there's no plug this week because it

1136
01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:18.079
is a pay per view week,
so no retro. Obviously, my Twitter

1137
01:18:18.119 --> 01:18:23.720
handle or x handle whatever it's called
now is Ada Mark or twenty five.

1138
01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:28.520
And my retro last week was Batista
and Ramis Here against Kingdom Big show from

1139
01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:31.560
two thousand and five, kind of
paying homage to my old show Rivalries,

1140
01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:34.600
and I hope you guys were able
to check that out. Very good,

1141
01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:40.000
yeah, very much a retro show
about a retro show. So yeah,

1142
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:45.239
exactly right, so very good,
and well you enjoy SummerSlam, trying not

1143
01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:48.800
to watch the Cody Rhodes match or
maybe step away for fifteen minutes or something

1144
01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:53.760
so you don't have an aneurysm,
and because we all, I think know

1145
01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:57.000
the outcome of that one. So
all right, well enjoy the event and

1146
01:18:57.039 --> 01:19:00.479
we'll be talking probably in a little
less than a week. Yeah, man,

1147
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:08.199
looking forward to it on Monday.
All right, take care, Thanks

1148
01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:13.520
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1149
01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:18.600
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1150
01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:24.199
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1151
01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:29.600
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