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We're back with another edition of The
Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emilijasnski, culture

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editor here at The Federalist. As
always, you can email the show at

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Make sure to subscribe wherever you download
your podcasts into the premium version of our

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website as well. Yesterday we talked
about TV. I love TV. I

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was pretty shameless about that. Yesterday, as we did some sort of lighter

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Fourth of July fair as people are
out of the office, relaxing a little

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bit and enjoying summer, we thought
it might make sense to dive back into

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culture and in the most Federalist way
possible, hopefully, And so today we're

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gonna talk about movies. I'm introducing
a conversation I had once again with my

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colleague Sam Mangold Lennett, staff editor
at The Federalist, who again pop culture

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junkie. He's got super interesting takes
on this stuff. So I just wanted

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to sit Sam down, pick his
brain about some some movies that have come

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out in the last year or so, and go from there. We do

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talk a little bit about music at
the end, and I give a little

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a little observation about country music that
I've Yeah, I think holds up again

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always radio at the Federalist dot com. If you disagree, tell me why

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and tell me what I'm getting wrong. But it's it's a short part of

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the conversation, an interesting one that
maybe we could even expand on at some

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point. So with that said,
hope everybody is having a wonderful Fourth of

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July. Hope everybody's listening to some
country music, having some great barbecue,

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and just relaxing with friends and family
and enjoying the freedoms that we have here

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in the United States of America.
So God Bus the USA, enjoy the

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podcast. Because I've been just plowing
through below deck for months now. I

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have totally and vanderpunk roles. I
have totally neglected new movies, so I'm

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a little bit behind the curb on
those. What have you watched recently that's

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been anything that's been like a standout? So i missed Fast and Furious X

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in theaters, which I'm very sad
about. That's too bad. That is

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very bad. That's one of my
favorite franchises of all time. You're going

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to have to get a giant TV
to watch it sound system otherwise that you've

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earned it right by watching one through
nine. I've put in the work.

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I think I think it's time.
It'd be wrong, not too exactly.

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I have to give it as to
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if you watched, if you go
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HBO or whatever streaming service, it's
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or I think some of them are
on Amazon also, but you miss like

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a solid like seventy percent of seeing
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which is it's like the deafening sound
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of the special effects. So I'm
kind of bummed about that. I have

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yet to see Spider Verse, which
I've heard is fantastic. I mean everyone's

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raving about it. I just saw
The Flash, which is a stinker.

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It is, really So I think
we ran a positive review of The Flash.

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Yeah, I mean that's fine,
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curious, So your I didn't see
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curious what your take is on it. So I think the review was accurate

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in the sense that in two ways, there's if you're a DC super fan

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DC comics like super Fan. You're
gonna love all the little things that are

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in there for you specifically. And
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that don't play God messaging is huge, and I think that's one of the

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areas where like superhero movies kind of
shine. It's whereas Westerns were passing on

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messages messages of traditional morality, superhero
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they're not doing it nearly as effectively, and a lot of ways are being

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co opted into leftist ideology, etc. But I think it's where the Flash

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really does shine. It's just everything
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know. It's DC has all these
issues with I mean every both Marble NDC

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have these issues nowadays. And I
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there's just so much of this content
people don't care anymore like it used to

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be special. I remember, like
when Infinity War came out, that was

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a huge thing, and granted this
was pret COVID, so everyone still wanted

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to see every movie because it was
pre COVID. And I don't think the

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theaters have recovered since COVID, and
I don't think they're going to for many

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many years, or if they do
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real big movies, which is what
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Top Gun Maverick, everyone flooded to
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right, But the most crowded I
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when I saw Casablanca, and it
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was for an almost one hundred year
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so to speak, came out and
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Um, you know, Marvel drops
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Um, and that's fine. I'm
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they're evil. Um, but you
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just want a movie to watch popcorn
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actor is a dangerous, mentally ill
Helen. So yeah, asra Miller's who

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you're referencing there. Um. Actually, while you were you were mentioning that

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it reminded me. I don't know
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But one thing we should have mentioned
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irony is filamin a kunk umkunk what's
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Netflix? If you haven't watched it, you would really like it. But

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it's satirizing the sort of like Planet
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or history like an actual planet itself. No, no, no, although

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that's surely around the corner, or
the sort of like BBC civilization. That's

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basically what it's satirizing. It is
really funny, but in a way that's

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just totally ironic and bizarre. Um
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Colbert was ahead of his time in
terms of irony poisoning. All. Okay,

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let's put that aside. I'm glad
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know I did see John wickfour.
I did see it in theaters. Banger

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too long? I've heard that complaint. Did you see it in theaters?

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Yeah? Multiple times? How many
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movie? Where's it? John wickfour? What am I going to do?

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Not see it in theaters? It
was fantastic, It was good. I

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thought it was good, but I
just thought it was like an hour too

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long. Really, Okay, it's
three hours long. Yeah. I mean

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that's one of my biggest problems in
movies in general. I don't need attention

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to spend for it, which is
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But like, when you're pushing three
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a battle epic, that's not like
a historical epic, you are you don't

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need it. It is simply unnecessary
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Similarly with like the Dungeons and Dragons
movie, like that was way too long,

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Okay, but John Wick, I
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it going. There was so much
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It was fantastic. Every time I
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movie, there's a new chapter,
there's a new brand from John Wick's life

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that we didn't know existed before.
I just it was really something. It

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was phenomenal. It was really something. And apparently they're turning it into like

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a whole cinematic universe thing, which
I am unhappy about. Huh. I

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think you mentioned that you you take
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cinematic universe trope. In general,
it's it's like a corporation's just using every

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part of the ip buffalo. Basically
essentially, it's that and it's bad for

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storytelling. Like the whole point of
the stories that it ends right right,

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Otherwise it doesn't have an impact.
If a story keeps you going and going

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and going, then there's no finality. There's no point to the story.

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There's no moral, there's no lesson
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the hero's journey. The whole point
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the end of the journey that he's
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going on adventures after he, you
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the point. Is he ever going
to find himself? Is he ever going

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to find peace? No? No, he won't because of events in the

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fourth movie that I will not spoil. But so that's yes. Um,

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you want to eat the steak of
the pine, not the eyeball, and

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well I've heard eyeballs are really good
for you. Yeah, the good source

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of protein. Um yeah, every
other everything I came up with in my

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head for that metaphor, I was
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source of protein. Deliver the steak, not the tone nails. Yeah,

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Oh yes, wow, that is
way too bid. Nobody for that.

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Actually, I kind of didn't ask
for it. Did you see Fools Paradise

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the Charlie Day movie. It was
one of those movies that like it just

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an incredibly good trailer, looked really
funny from the trailer, but has gotten

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very bad release. I haven't watched
yet, actually, because I've been persuaded

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by the rotten Tomato audience score that
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Maybe it is, but I haven't
watched it. Um. Did you watch

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Let's see? What's another really good
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yet? The new Nicholas Cage vampire
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But so this is this was my
like moral boycott of Hollywood. I didn't

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like how they killed a priest in
the trailer, so I was like,

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Okay, I'm not gonna go see
that. Really, I took a stand

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with my wallet. I saw John
Wick for a fifth time, Bold move.

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A man's gotta do what a man's
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Paint? Did you watch Paint?
The Bob Ross movie with Owen Wilson.

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I have not but I heard it
was extremely bad. I like that this

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is taking This is turning into a
segment where we just list off movies that

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neither of us has seen and talked
through the reviews. So it is supposed

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to be really bad and it was
a highly anticipated film. Again and another

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doesn't make any sense. It's just
dumb. Well, the pot looks pretty

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dumb, although there are movies with
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quite all right. But like Owen
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on paper, should be an interesting
movie. But if you if you can't

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make that work, it might actually
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I mean, really, Hollywood is
dying. So I really expected to hate

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Cocaine Bear, and I've heard a
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younger people I've talked to really did
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was perfectly acceptable. It was definitely
more like a movie you'd see in Netflix

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and you'd see in theaters. I
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Last Jackass in theaters. I think
I saw the same theater and it was

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great. They did a good job
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as funny as any of the others. I'm surprised they still have owens to

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break, but yeah, that part
is amazing. What did you like about

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Cocaine Bear? I thought it was
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it's just like and it's the same
thing when it was just a yeah exactly.

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what's the what was the second glass
Onion? The second um? The second

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edition of that franchise? Again,
like there were all kinds of political critiques

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of it. We ran some of
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but like, I actually think,
um, what's the what was the

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first edition of the movie? Knives
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not a perfect movie, but it's
exactly what a movie should be. And

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in terms of recent Hollywood outings,
that is like as close to the template

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of what Hollywood should be doing as
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that they snuck some woke messaging into
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I wasn't bothered by it. It
just as a movie that keeps your attension

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every step of the way. It
looks beautiful, it transports you into an

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interesting plot and acting is good.
It doesn't take you out of the action.

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It's an interesting it's it's interesting from
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on the edge of your seat and
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And it's entertaining from start to finish. And that's all the movie needs

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to be. Really really good movies, do you know pack emotional residents.

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Really really good movies can can say
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about Casa Blanca. Not everybody is
gonna be Casa Blanca, and some about

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Cocaine Bear. Cocaine Bear was on
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the Casa Blanca of our age,
and it's not getting credit. I agree,

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I agree. Our intern is laughing. We caught them, Sam too,

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Sam angel Letta is same one.
But don't forget it. I can

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see Sam Too laughing in the corner. It's not because we're funny. It

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is because we're We haven't seen any
of these films, so I've been We're

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watching a lot of john Ford movies. Okay, so I just rewatched the

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Searchers, which is one of my
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this has not seen it for whatever
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watch it? Missus John Wayne every
day, Miss John Wayne every day.

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Um. I went to Sedona earlier
this year and when I was in sedonas

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with my mom, we watched an
old Elvis movie that was from Rondon,

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Sodona. While we were there,
man did not age, well, it's

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a Western, right, so and
a bunch of westerns were Sodonas. We

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wanted to watch one of them.
Oh my gosh, is on another level.

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Truly on another level. Um,
what have I missed so far?

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By the way, the when I
asked about Rentfeld, that Rentfield, that

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reminds me. I'm really looking forward
to what we do in the Shadows coming

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back there. That's that's a TV
show if I'm just blinking on the premise.

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So it's it's a vampire thing.
It's based on the it was like

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twenty fourteen documentary. Um, mocumentary. It's very much of its time,

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like doing what The Office did.
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like Big Brother with vampires. It's
like a mocumentary. Yeah, and it

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really visualized this. I'm picturing people
sleeping upside down, so well, that's

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exactly what great work um and it
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see Um? I'm sure u Jojo
Rabbit leven thunder Jojo Rabbit, yea Jojo

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it deserved the I think Tea T's
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these people who we call a genius
just because he made a few things that

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were weird that happened to be good. Yeah, he's like an is like

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a less bad m Knight Shaanalan les
bad Night Shaalan. That sounds great.

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Ye're telling me this man is very
talented. Uh no. I Actually what

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we do in the Shadows is like
the only parallel really right now is it's

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always sunny or like a workaholics,
and it does not ever try to pack

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an emotional punch. It is ridiculous
and absurd, and it never tries to

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balance the absurdity or the satire with
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just funny from start to finish,
and it is absolutely funny, Like you,

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it is genuinely a comedy, pure
a pure comedy, and that is

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wonderful, So you should. I
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other one that I really liked that
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me as that surprises me. I
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but I missed it in theaters.
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it. Oh No, I'm just
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I don't have the attention span for
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seem I know it had some and
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that it tried to be funny at
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through it and watched it, I
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of movie that critics are going to
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actually, like your average America,
like, this movie is awesome. It

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reminds me of Green Book, which
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had Washington Post film critic and Hornaday
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Stradio Hour then to talk about how
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as there are the cultural reasons for
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to that episode. But I think
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Like is it Casa Blanca? No, But it's actually like very it's emotional,

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it's an amazing American story. It's
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of moments that I think are overly
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a little heavy handed, but overall
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and entertained, and acting is good. Um, it's fun. Well it's

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been affleck I'm that damon. So
it can't be over heavy handed at some

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point and that has to be the
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So yeah, right, like at
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just gonna be like guys, like
put down the joint. This is not

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as it is, Yeah, not
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Um, what did I miss?
I really liked since we talked about Renfield,

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I really liked in recent years,
I loved Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent.

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thought, like the nerds on a
read it overhyped it, but normal people

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didn't appreciate it for what it was. Yeah. I agree, Yeah,

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it's and I think Air was sort
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as a movie that was going to
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and then people came into and critics
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is trying to be um truly great
and it's just like fine, which is

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why they needed to perform there.
They need to be like performatively condescending and

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above Air, but it's actually just
great. There was big George Foreman,

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which I don't think anybody really saw. I started it, really, I

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liked it, loved it. Yeah, Okay, I don't. I mean

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it wasn't. I just like George
Foreman as a guy, so I was

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probably biased about it. But did
you see Cree three? You really are

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into the franchises. I'm not in
the franchises. I'm into I'm into Keno

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And I appreciate the medium, okay, but probably too online. I just

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I just bumped the microphone. Just. I never will take the blame for

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that because it's usually Chris Bedford,
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the microphone. It was the spirit
of Chris Bedford. He was like,

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I really liked to create three,
That's what he was saying. Yeah,

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he gets it. He sent us
a message through that did you see the

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Whale? Yes, dudes rock?
Okay, dudes rock? Great movie.

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Who liked the Whale? He deserved? Going else to say, do it,

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dudes rock? He deserved that Oscar, every every bit of that body

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suit He earned it. That was
a controversial Oscar because he wore a fat

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suit or because they didn't like the
performance. I thought it was very well

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earned. I mean, it's it
seemed I didn't actually watch that one.

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It seemed well earned to me,
but again I didn't see him. I

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will say everything everywhere, all at
once is incredibly overrated and I'm tired of

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the hype. Did you see Babbylon? Yes, that's um. I appreciate

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what he's doing with the film commentary
that he's doing in his films. Damien,

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Chizzelle wherever you pronounce it. Um. I liked Lalla better personally,

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I really, Oh my god,
why I don't have time? You do?

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You hate fun, fun and whimsy. I'm not going to spoil that

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movie, but fun and whimsy are
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And by the way, our other
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It was with me on that and
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divide. Yes. I think because
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is fundamentally where men and women di
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Land and until I finished the movie, that's fair fair enough. I mean,

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I thought the ending worked. But
okay, I'm sure you did think

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the end You're a man. Another
one I wanted to ask you about it

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was don't don't worry, Darling.
Did you wash? Yeah? Um?

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I despised it at first because of
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I thought I thought the aesthetics rocked, like I love the bid century

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modern stuff. Um, I don't
know. I kind of want to rewatch

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it now that I'm less, you
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stuff. It's like you're you're gonna
go back and watch the Renfield once you

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get over what happened, once it
become a heretic. Um, I don't

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know, what do you think about
don't read Darling? Um, I didn't

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watch it because I heard it was
bad, and I don't if if I

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hear that a movie is is bad
and I see it in the audience score

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as well as in the critic score. I cannot bring myself to do it

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unless I'm forced to by someone else
who wants to watch it, because I

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don't have the attention span for something
that if I'm not like expecting it to

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be good, I just can't.
I can't do it. That's fair.

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It's a it's a flaw. I
don't pretend that it's a virtue. It's

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it's not respect. You're saving like
thirty dollars by not going to the movies,

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so or I'm saving time that could
be watching a reality TV a better

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investment. What about Amsterdam? Um? Which one was that? That was

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the whole No, I didn't with
Christian Bale. Yes, so I wanted

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to, but it was out of
theaters like almost immediately. So beautiful movie

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board me to tears. It's really
okay. Yeah, I feel like that's

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another thing that is the tail of
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What about the menu? Oh my
god? Um yeah, I'm trying to

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think how to phrase this. Um, it's a movie. You go ahead,

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you can do it. I'm trying. I'm trying not to be mean

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here, you go ahead. I
gotta figure out how to phrase this,

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So the menu I enjoyed. I
do think that if you are going to

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do it reminds me in some ways
of Midsomer. If you are going to

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do absurdity, you cannot split it. It's actually a lot like what is

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the one on the What's the one
on the boat that came out with Woody

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Harrelson. Um, you know what
I'm talking about. It was on a

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it was on a yacht. It
was actually like below deck. But um,

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it was like below deck, but
on a different type of in a

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different type of genre. Was it
the actual TV and reality TV? This

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is a movie? This is Yeah, it came out like, oh that's

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another TV show, White House Plumbers. So far, so good. Triangle

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of sadness, the menu and triangle
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And I would say Midsommer's the best
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if you're going to go for satirical
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those rules from start to finish.
Otherwise it looks like either a shortcut at

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the end to make your movie pack
a sort of satirical punch, or it

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makes it feel like you're breaking your
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When I was in college, I
took a class with a playwright who

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so, like, the most important
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follow your own rules. And as
I started to think about that, you

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really notice it and stuff that you
think doesn't work. You get taken out

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when something breaks its own rules,
and that can be bad acting, that

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can be writing that thematic inconsistency exactly
like, you can actually do a lot

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of really hackneyed stuff and be fine
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I think that's the virtue of something
like just like It still like Cocaine bear

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right Like it works really fine for
me because I never got taken out of

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the action like it I was.
I was with it the whole time because

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it followed its own rules the whole
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Triangle of Sadness in the menu.
Now I've tied you up for the menu.

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Tell me what you thought. It's
just a movie for dumb people.

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Yeah, it's I can't make this
nice. It's just such a bad movie.

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I agree with the inconsistency parts.
It's it got so heavy handed right

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in a way that was like this
is a coupe, right, Like we

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need to start making these points about
elites. Yeah, and it's basically an

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Eat the Ring movie. It's it's
so on the nose. I hate it.

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I hate it so much. But
it started Okay, let's see whether

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or not you agree with this.
I thought the first half of it was

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subtle and brilliant. Yes, And
if you're going to transition into this sort

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of colorful absurdity starting subtly is not
the move right right, Like you're not

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following your own rules. It looks
like you couldn't make the point that you

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wanted to subtly and with some sense
of sophistication and artistry. So you're just

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going to slap it in the viewer's
face and just punch them with it,

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right, And I think there were
I think there was an attempt to try

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and build up to it, but
it just didn't work. It just wasn't.

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The transition for the on ramp was
missed for whatever reason. It's just

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it's not it's inconsistent. It's not
good. I thought the acting was pretty

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solid, to be fair. Um, but what he's always good, I'm

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sorry, what he's always good?
He's a good actor. And oh,

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I'm sorry, I was just talking
about I was talking about Tryang gole sadness,

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you're talking about the menu. But
they both did from my perspective,

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they both did exactly the same thing. They both did that like really subtle,

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artistic, smart, clever build up
and then waste at all, just

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drop a bomb. Yeah right,
And like there's a way to do one

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or the other, Like the absurdism
can be really compelling, or it can

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just be a disaster, or it
can just be It's like such a shortcut.

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It's such an easy way out to
make to make a political point or

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to make a cultural point. You
can budge in people over the haad with

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it. But it's much more impressive
and I think much more entertaining to do

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it subtly. I agree heartily.
It's the nuances lost if you just go

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ham So, I want to are
there any of the movies you wanted to

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mention? Um? Nothing comes to
mount at the moment. You're kind of

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a kind of a movie buff.
I am. I just moving down here.

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I haven't had time to go to
the movies as much as what I'd

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like to do. Yeah, there's
a there are a couple of really good

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theaters down here though, Yeah,
like the Landmark Cinemas. Those are all

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really good. If you've been the
East Street or if you've been to Atlantic

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Plumbing, or there's a nice one
Empathist so good Alamo Drafthouse. Yeah.

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Well, I guess we don't need
to dive into the local DC scene here,

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but I did want to before before
we wrap, I did want to

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mention, especially since the fourth July
weekend um an observation I've had about country

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music recently. There's this new Sam
Hunt song that I've heard where I think

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I assigned us to a writer actually
where he's sort of lamenting not making the

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decision to settle down with like a
high school or college sweetheart and start having

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children, etc. Etcetera. And
I started after I heard that, I

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was like, this is profoundly sad. And I bet speaking to a lot

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of thirty somethings or late twenty something
millennials listening to country music, and millennials

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really changed country music because Taylor Swift
brought in a huge amount of new country

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music listeners. As simplistic as that
sounds, it really actually is that simple

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in many cases. And then you
had a lot of artists catering to this

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new like suburban although there were some
of them in the nineties too, but

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like you had a lot of artists
catering to this like young female suburban crowd.

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And I think that that's deluded the
genre in some some bad ways,

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that improved the drama in some less
obvious ways. But it's just the more

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I started listening, the more I
realized this is becoming a more pronounced theme

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in country music. That's like these
lamentations about the simplicity of like community and

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family life, and that there has
obviously always been that in country music.

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There was also a period of time
where um, there was like glamorization of

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New York or like from some people, not from everyone, but there's like

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glamorization of getting out of the small
town and making it. And now there's

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this h or like New York or
going to Nashville to try and make it.

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And now I've just noticed the sort
of pulling back and saying I wish

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I had you know, what would
have been described as settling ten years ago,

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but like settling in a good way, isn't it. I don't know

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you, I don't think you listen
to country music, but I do,

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um, not not to like break
the door drop bombs there, but hot

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take. Um. I've noticed a
similar trend amongst punk rock actually, where

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a lot of these um, a
lot of these bands who are huge in

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the nineties, who are just you
know, being you know, punk bands

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in the nineties, touring and doing
whatever they did. Blink, who are

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you talking about? Blinks one of
them? Yeah, a Newfound Gloria was

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the one I was thinking of it
in particular. Um, they're like where

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they're releasing albums that are more reflective
about like growing old and how much like

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they are going to miss their children
when they go off to college, and

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you know that is so punk rock
exactly. Yeah. I think what's what's

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going on? People actually growing up
now, like crying, actually being in

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their fifties, yeah, yeah,
going through like the the the car pool

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drop off, crying when you don't
have a meeting, Yeah, just crying

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silently in the corner of the PTA
meeting. It's super hardcore. I think

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it's you know, I mean,
blinked to be for Blink one eighty two

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hasn't never been hardcore, but I
think it's I think it's interesting. How

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um, you know, the artists
are like, it's coot to see them

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actually grow with their art as opposed
to being you know, emotionally stunted in

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this like perpetual adolescence. So it's
I enjoy it. Yeah, I see

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that, um, And I think
what's interesting about that is they're sort of

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aging into it. And what I've
noticed about country music, although I could

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be wrong because Sam Hunt is probably
a millennial, but it does seem as

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like this is some new artists who
are singing about that stuff, like and

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I Zack Brian for one, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And

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that's um, what's the Morgan Wallance
song about your hometown more than my hometown?

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Yeah? Yeah, that's really interesting. I feel like, and as

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long as a couple of years old
now, but there's just been the slow

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pivot that I think might reflect this
yearning among young people were comfort and some

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of that's bad, right, Like
gen Z is really risk averse, and

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so younger country artists coming in and
you know, reflecting that to the extent

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that it's a bad thing. You
know, it's it's been great for like

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team pregnancy rates and STD rates,
but on the other hand, you have

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you know, some people acting out
in the euphoria sense, like there's a

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subculture in gen Z that has had
hyper negative experiences because they're trying to find

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something to make them feel alive because
their senses are so dulled by the Internet.

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And then on the other hand,
you just have people who, to

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bring this full circle with our TV
discussion, are so untethered from truth and

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beauty and nature that they know something's
missing and they they've already run the experiment

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and and realize they're not going to
find it living alone in a big city

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and and trying to focus everything on
their career. And that's why boycott movies

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where they kill priests in the trailer
ear because you need to find the good

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that you're in the beautiful, and
you do that by finding God that was

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perfect. And it just makes me
look so bad for promoting Bravo this entire

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episode. I'm sure Bravo has some
you know, religious themes here and there.

451
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No no let me stop you right
there here, Really they did.

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Wait, the Real Housewives stood weigh
in on the Cabina hearing, so you'll,

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I'm sure there was a ton of
nuance and intelligence in that conversation.

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You know they do wait into really
the Orange County Housewives in particular and the

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New Jersey Housewives in particular. You
can imagine you so a very evangelical in

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Orange County and very Catholic in New
Jersey. They do. They have like

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waited into those those waters literally and
they've been a big blowouts of baptisms and

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etcetera, etcetera. But okay,
I'll leave that fishing over the baptismal font

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Yeah. Yeah, we'll table that
for now and just say we hope everyone

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has a great Fourth of July weekend. Sam angled Lennon, thank you so

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much for joining us. Sam,
your staff editor at The Federalist. We're

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so happy to have you on board, happy to have you on the podcast.

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You've been hosting podcasts every once in
a while, doing a great job

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because you have a good podcast voice. Thank you, I appreciate it.

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Well, everyone, we hope you
have a great Fourth of July weekend.

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Thank you as always for listening to
Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emilijrishinski, culture

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editor here at The Federalist. We'll
be back soon with more. Until then,

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be lovers of freedom and anxious for
the fray. All right,