Hi there, It's Katie Anna Nina here, and this is Gary Leland and
you're listening to episode one thirty six of the Crypto Cousins podcast. Beat your
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This week's price of bitcoin eight thousand, eight hundred and fifty three dollars.
That's up eleven hundred and forty three dollars our fourteen point seven percent over
the past seven days. Howdy howdy, Katie, thanks for joining me on
the show. Thanks for having me. I'm really wanted to be here.
Well, I'm excited to be here. I was. I was really impressed.
You know, we were talking a minute ago before the show and you
told me your native language was Russian, but you learned English like five years
ago. I'm impressed with how good your English is. Yeah. I was
born and raised in Russia, and actually four and a half years ago I
decided to quit my university, learn language in six months and move to the
States. And so I did. What part of Russia did you come from?
I was born and raised in Siberia, But then I lived in Moscow
for a year, in Saint Petersburg for a couple of years. Okay,
now I gotta ask you, since I'm a movie buff, I watch a
lot of movies, and a lot of times the Russians or the bad guys
you know in American movies, and they always send them. They always send
the Russians to the good log in Siberia. I mean in every movie,
if the Russian guy gets in trouble, he knows he's going to a good
log in Siberia. In Siberia really that cold and that bad or because that's
the impression I get from watching movies. Well, it used to be,
yes, people would would get sent to Siberia because it was cold. There
was not much inferenstructure back there, but we were trying to, you know,
get on this new land and cover it with like new jobs and manufacturers.
Right now, I think it's a great place. Yes, it is
a little cold, but in town that I was born, we had great
ski resorts, so my winters were amazing. I had a lot of fun.
Well that's kind of the opposite of you now, because every time I
see when I was like trying to educate myself about you. Everything I saw
you were like on the islands in the Bahamas or Caribbean. So you went
from one extreme to completely the completely opposite extreme. Yeah. I actually moved
from Siberia to Miami at the end of June. So when I landed in
Miami, I was like, oh my god, there's no chance I can
survive that. I'm melting. And it took me. It took me a
while. It took me like a year to get used to the weather.
But I haven't seen snow in like four years, and I'm okay with that.
I really loved the snowboard. So I'm going to spend a lot of
time next season in the mountains for sure. Maybe I'll go back to Motherland
because I still haven't been back, but I Joian we're in weather for sure.
Well that's that's interesting. You know when people come to like last year,
when it came to bit block Boom, you know, which you're doing
something at they we'll talk about it in a little bit, but it was
bit black Booms at the end of August and in Texas into August is pretty
damn hot. Let's face it. It's not like it's not like they're people
pouring into the state wanting to visit during the end of August. And it
was funny to see how so many people, like from Canada or Finland or
Europe, they were just dying in the heat. So that's probably how you
were reacting at first. Yes, pretty much, pretty much. And probably
the humidity as much as the heat was bothering you down there, because I
don't know, I grew up in South Carolina on an island, and the
humidity was like you took a shower and got all dressed and by the time
you got to your car, you were soaking wet, you know, from
the humidity of the being on the ocean there with the heat. Yeah,
I was in the mountains in Siberia, so even when it was hot,
which happened since idea, sometimes it was so like tolerable, toleratable. And
now I'm also in the mountains in Mexico and it's about twenty eight degrees right
now, Celsius was it like ninety five. It's pretty good. That sounds
pretty good. Okay, So that's a little bit of background on you.
So we know where we're coming from here now, I know, basically where
you're from, and so kind of maybe how you think, how did you
discover bitcoin or how did you get into bitcoin or discover that? Tell us
your background story on that. I actually believe that I'm privileged to have this
background because it kind of led me to bitcoin in so many ways. I'm
not sure. You said you're like watching movies. Have you seen slum Dog
Millionaire? Yes? Yeah, I enjoyed that movie. That's a good movie.
Yeah yeah, So in this movie, just for audience who never see
the movie, I watch a lot of movies. So in the movie,
a teenager in Mumbai gets on TV show called Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?
And he totally crushes that, like he knows answer to every question.
And then they started investigation on that because they just can't believe that a teenager
from Mumbai like pretty much orphan, right, how does he know all the
answers? And he walks them through every story in his life on how he
discovered the answer to this question, like why does he know that? So
it's pretty much my experience. I'm coming from Russia and I experienced all the
bad things of like a broken financial system, Like since I was born Russian
ruble dump like ninety percent compared two years dollars when I was born and was
like in ninety eight, Let's say in ninety eight it was six rubles per
dollar and now it's seventy four today, So it's pretty crazy. And when
when you realize that, you're like, wait a second, something is wrong
with that. And then I've seen my banking story is pretty crazy, Like
I would have my bank accounts closed without notice, and I wouldn't be able
to leave my country because I rs would discover that something is wrong with Texas,
and I'm like, wait a second, like shouldn't you notify me or
something. So all this experiences kind of led me to a bitcoin, and
I'm somewhat privileged to have those because in the United States, people my age,
they've been saved their whole life in terms of in terms of dollar value
kind of right, Yeah, yeah, I agree, they didn't have those
beat experienced to realize how valuable bitcoin is and why we all need to pay
attention. I think that that's a very good point you made, and I
wouldn't have thought at that point, but I can see where that would lead
you to have a different, completely different view than a kid your age,
it was born and raised in the United States, would have because I think
most people, I'm not gonna say all people, but I think a lot
of people, especially maybe people my age, you know, I'm sixty five.
I think that the yeah, the United States economy, because it's been
right for so long that there's no way it's ever gonna go wrong. You
know, there's no way it's ever going to die. There's no way it's
ever gonna screw us. It's just never gonna happen. Even the rest of
the world. Yeah, that could happen there, but not here, you
know. And I think my kids, you know, are in their thirties
and they've never had any experiences like that. You know, they haven't seen
their money. Maybe their money has been devalued some but compared to other currencies
still, you know, and since they don't buy gold or silvers compared to
other currencies, they don't see it, you know. So I can see
where that would be an education that you would have to live maybe to know.
Do you think you're an anarchist? I know that's maybe that's a foolish
okay, I just ask it. Definitely, yeah, definitely, yeah,
because I watched I said, of research, you watched some videos, and
I came up with that conclusion that you're an an artist. And I don't
know if I've ever asked that question anyone, to be honest with you,
And I think that's something else being an old fart you know from the US
that's lived a pretty comfortable lifestyle. You know, that's kind of a thing
that's weird to ask to me. I don't know if that makes any sense.
I'm not knocking you for it. I'm just I'm just being conversationalized.
No, I'm very comfortable with saying that. Yes, I'm definitely anarchist.
And again, I think my experience has just led me to that. Like
during the last hundred ten years, Russia was monarchy, then we build communism
and then we were like, no, wait a second, we're going to
be democracy now. And all that happened in the last hundred years, so
like three generations, right, And when you went through all that and nothing
worked, you realize that, like the control in any way doesn't really work
from people. So maybe there's something else that we could we could do.
And yet definitely I'm an innar kiss there they go. I pegged it right
then. See, that's why I do these shows so I can get to
know people. You know, I don't think that you can understand the world
unless you understand how a lot of people think. If you just like sit
around going, oh, that's not right, you don't know what's right or
what's wrong because you didn't explore it. You just are closed minded, and
I try not to be that way. I do have another question, though,
now that I've saw that I don't understand the passport deal, because I
know you're big into the second passports and stuff. Would you explain that to
me? Because I don't understand that part at all because I've got one passport
to US passport and I use it anywhere I ever go. And I got
one citizenship and you're real big into from what I can tell, multiple passports
or at least two multiple citizenships, and I don't understand that at all.
So can you explain that to me? So I'm a flex fury advocate,
and flexed theory stands for like, this is how you limit your dependency on
any one particular state, right, you plant new flags in different locations.
Let's say you hold your medals in like Singapore account you have your big one
and cyberspace, then you hold your passport that you got by birth. Then
you get another possport from tax heaven and in this way you kind of like
diversifying your portfolio. Right, so if one of the government decides that they
don't really like you, you always have a second option. And in bitcoin
spasically all about self sovereignty, right, like this is sovereign money, So
what are other areas of our lives that we can achieve sovereignty? And I
think that second passport is is what brings it as well. So someone having
matter of fact, this is kind of funny that we're talking about this like
a month ago, within the last month, my wife she goes, what
is the deal with people having dual passports? Do they give up one?
Because I mean it's like kind of you know, to I think to a
lot of people in my age, maybe it's kind of a unknown thing where
like why would you have to or do you have to give up one?
Because our neighbors from England and he's like sixty six maybe and he has dual
US and the UK, And she was like, what's the deal with Nigel
being in this two citizenship deal? I said, I think a lot of
people are. I don't think that's unusual, but it seems unusual to us.
You know, they have two you know, but it's I guess in
a whole, it's not unusual if you take the rest of the world.
Am I correct on that? Or is it just people in the United States
that would be more opt to think it's unusual or would the rest of the
world go Sure, everybody's got to I would say it wasn't really needed because
government weren't tricking us that good. They didn't have their ship together in terms
of like controlling our travel and all that stuff. But lately, like they
know pretty much everything where you go, what you do, and it's becoming
more and more common for US citizens, for US citizens lately because US password
is pretty unique, Like they have citizenship based taxation. So no matter where
you leave, no matter where your income comes from, maybe you haven't been
to the United States for twenty years, you're still supposed to file paxes every
every year, even so, like you have nothing to do, it's use
the even so that's why a lot of people start to opening offshore bank accounts,
getting their second passport because all the banks in the world pretty much need
to follow Vodka. It's like an agreement, you know about it, and
a lot of banks around the world, Yeah, if they want to be
in the banking business, they have to work with the US. Yeah,
but they have to comply with US law, and it's really complicated. So
sometimes they're like, Hey, you're from the US, You're not going to
be able to open bank accounts at our bank. So it's really complicated for
your citizens and immigration processes. What made me look into that a lot when
I got to the US. I got there with tourist visa right, so
I would only be able to stay for six months. But I realized that
there are a lot of holes in the process with government entities or those who
try to comply with government laws. They just don't know how to deal with
foreign citizens or with those who have more than one passport. So I managed
to get bank accounts without social security attached to that because I just simply didn't
have one, and I got my driver license was our social security number attached
to that. I even manage to get on bitcoin on ramps accounts without social
security number attached to that. So it's pretty convenient to be foreigners sometimes it
seems like you have more more advantages compared to citizens. For example, my
death still uses his Florida driver license in Russia, his license has been expired
for over a year. But because they don't know that, they're like,
wow, this is Miami driver lice. You can go, but can I
take a picture with that. I'm like, that's crazy. And the same
way in Mexico. Yeah, I just show them my Russian documents here in
Mexico and they've never seen Russian before, so it's like, wow, that's
interesting, and they just let me go. That is funny, you know,
especially on the Miami driver's license. But I can see how that worked
in reverse, would work in reverse in Mexico with the Russian documents. So
I'm trying to absorb all this. I know it's probably not that much to
absorb, but how did you It seems like it'd be hard, You're saying
because you weren't a US citizen and you were able to get around the KYC
rules for on getting on line crypto exchanges and stuff. Because you weren't a
citizen. Where a citizens going to have a harder time citizen in the US.
You know, it's harder for US citizen and get around that. I
think it's pretty impossible for you as citizens. But what I did there is
I was already officially resident of the United States, like I get approved for
a green card, but they lost my green card in a mail, and
they lost my Social Security in a mail. For like a year, I
was I was looking for that everywhere, and I wrote this whole letter to
an exchange that I was using, and they just didn't have a chance.
They get confused, first of all, and also I was resident of the
United States, so I had a right to have a talent in this in
this exchange. So they're like, all right, just put these numbers instead
of your Social Security number and we'll we'll do so they worked. So you
have in Mexico. Now I see you. I can Antigua and I resorts
a lot. Do you have a like on the Continental Mexico. Are you
on an island? I mean where it's for like a resort or what's good?
Not that I'm coming down there. I'm just curious you should. Definitely.
I love this town a lot. I actually run Bigqoin meets up and
Guadalajara. This is where I leave right now. I don't live here full
time, but I would say like sixty percent of the time I'm here,
and was this situation with virus. I couldn't be happier of being south of
the border because my life literally hasn't changed a tiny bit. I still allowed
to go anywhere I want. I skateboard, I roll a blade every day,
I have martial art trainings every day. Like it's all good. Nothing
has changed. So yeah, so everything, everything's good for you, din
there now. One of the things I noticed though from your videos about second
passports, it's kind of expensive to get a second passport. I mean on
Antigue Wood, so like a hundred thousand dollars or an investment a four hundred
thousand dollars, I think you said. So it's not like you can just
go down there and say, hey, I want a passport. I'm going
to stay down here for six months. I mean, how does that compare
with the US as far as getting a passport? I mean, if you
wanted a passport from the US and you came from Russia, how hard would
it be or how expensive would it be compared to being from Russian going to
Antigua. How does that compare? I guess, well, when you come
to the United States, it's like the hardest immigration process on earth right now,
one of the at least one, top five definitely, And I was
lucky I got my green card for people with extraordinary abilities. I was in
Russian national team bag then in top twenty world ranking. So they were like,
all right, Katie, compete for American out. Here's your documents.
What team were you on sailing? I was Russian National Sailing team. Oh
I saw you mentioned that you saw some people Antiguay that you sailed with or
something. Yeah, okay, But if you want to do like citizenship by
investments in the United States, it used to be five hundred thousand dollars and
you invest money into really really that industry that is not gonna do you give
you any return, and then five years later you get your citizenship. Right
now they're changing this immigration policy and it's going to be one million, three
hundred thousand dollars investment. I knew this existed in the US, but I
didn't know. I guess. I guess I didn't rationalize it. It existed
everywhere, and that we were just a lot higher than a lot of places.
But I knew that existed in the US. Because we were watching it,
my wife was going, well, that's not fair that rich people can
become citizen by paying money, and so I don't care. I say,
at least are putting some money in the economy. But I didn't know it
was that much higher. It's gonna be one million, three hundred thousand,
I think you said Antigua, you had to invest four hundred thousand into real
estatement, and it's much faster. So in the nation islands like Caribbean Islands,
it's four months and you get your potsport. In the US it's four
months, you got your great Card, wait for five years, be a
good citizen, and five years later you'll get to your potsport. So it's
still expensive though for the average person to become a citizen in Antigua, I
mean one hundred thousand dollars or one hundred fifty thousand dollars. Everybody's walking around
with that cash. There are much much cheaper options in the world, like,
for example, in Brazil, you can just have a baby in Brazil
and get your permanent residency and then a year later you get your password,
so it's not expensive at all. Like all the paperwork would take you like
less than thousand dollars, but you have to have a baby there. In
Mexica is the saying, yeah, I'm gonna have a hard time there.
There are a lot of a lot of cheap options. But again it's different
value proposition. Like in Panama, it's five ten grand to get your residency
and then five years later you would get your password. Panama is beautiful.
I spent two weeks or one time. That's a great vice. I mean,
especially if you're on the coast. Yeah, it is. I actually
want to visit. But for a nation, for island nations like citizenship by
investment programs, it's super quick. So it's for people who want their passport
like half year from now or next right, So you're paying for speed and
for the process is pretty easy. So you just put all your papers together,
you send them to the island, you get approved, four months later,
you get your passport. But well, I don't understand. I know
that you've probably said this. Maybe I'm just dense. I really understand why
I would want that passport because I'm still going to pay US taxes. I'm
still going to be subject to the US law. Even if I have that.
If I get a passport to Antigua and I pay this money and I
moved down to Antigua, I'm still gonna be paying all this money to the
US, aren't I? So what was my advantage? This is pretty true.
I mean, there are some ways that you legally don't have to pay
taxes. You get exemption on like seventy four thousand dollars if your income is
out of country and you leave out of country, Like there are a lot
of requirements not to pay taxes and videas, but you still have to file.
And we've seen huge growth in pronouncing your citizenship. I just posted,
did I post it? Now? I'm going to post a video about pronouncing
use citizenship tomorrow probably, And we've seen crazy growth of that, Like in
two thousand and seven, it was three hundred people a year. In two
thousand and eighteen it was five thousand people. And also I personally know a
few people who renounced their use citizenship, but the names never made it to
the official report. So I would guess that US just suppressed the numbers.
And it's much more than that. But I thought that the US had passed
a law like maybe five six years ago that even if you renounce your citizenship,
you still have to pay taxes for like five years or something, you
know, because of the Facebook guy who left, you know, and had
all that money and he renounced the citizenship and he said, wha wait a
second, you got too much money to be you know, and so they
changed the law. I mean, I'm not right. So you to be
able to renounce your use citizenship, you have to make sure that last five
years you filed taxes exactly correct. And then you're supposed to pay forty percent
exit tak exit tax on all your wealth. But again, if you plan
on it, take the next few years preparing your I think your wealth.
Yeah. So if you're doing it, it's like anything. If you spend
the money and do it wisely, you you're not going to pay that kind
of percentage and get out of there. Okay, Well, now you're gonna
be we talked a minute earlier. You're gonna be at bit block Boom this
year. Um. This will be your first time to block. Is this
your first time to Texas? No? I actually lived in Houston for some
time. Oh okay, okay, well this will be your first time to
Dallas maybe Um, so you're gonna come and you're doing the Underground Citterle the
day before bit block Boom starts officially on Saturday, and then we have satellite
events going on Thursday and Friday, and you're heading up satellite event called Underground
Citterle, which is at underground citatle dot com if they want to register.
And I think this is a free event, and it looks like it's most
of the day. It's a lot of time. I mean, you've got
a lot going on. It's not like you just walk in and walk out.
And this is the kind of thing we were really wanting to get going
a bit want Boom to eventually be like it starts Monday, you know,
and there's something all week long until they get to the conference on Saturday and
Sunday. So tell us about tell me all about it, because I don't
even know everything about it, so I want to know about So tell me.
So Underground Citadel is whatever bitcoiner needs to know outside of bitcoint So it's
all things that bring you, brings you to self sovereignty, self defense,
self medical care, self sufficient housing like renewable energy and collecting water, all
that stuff. We'll also talk about anti serbelliance and yeah, I'm sure it's
going to be amazing unschooling as well. Well, I'm excited to see it.
I know you were originally going to do this in San Francisco at Bitcoin
twenty twenty, and then that got postponed, and as of it now,
I still don't think they have announced the date of when it's going to happen,
if it happens. So I guess you said, well, we're going
to do this, and I'm glad you contacted me so we can make it
happen, because, like I said, my goal is to have a whole
week of stuff going on, and most of it won't be mine, you
know, it'll be other people. It's like you doing things like this.
I think you've got Matt from a start nine is he had something and maybe
y'all are y'all worked out to do something. We haven't went to the same
day, So we're gonna make sure we're not overlapping, and I will move
my events a little early, like an hour earlier, and then we all
moved from Underground Citadel to his workshop because I really wanted to do with my
own server too. I was like, I can't miss this event, we
can't overlap because I want to attend to your events as well well. I
bought one of his servers. I was very impressed with it, so I
bought one. As a matter of fact. Now I want to make sure
if you're listening to this and you don't know about bit block Boom, then
this has got to be the first time because that's all I ever talk about.
But if you're not familiar with block Boom, I call it the real
Bitcoin conference because that's all we talk about. We don't talk about all coins,
and we're not that worried about blockchain. We're worried about bitcoin. And
this is in Dallas and the end of August, so it's hot, so
get ready for that. But everything's air conditioned down here at leastways. But
there's gonna be a lot of stuff happening. Check out our speaker lineup at
bitblock boom dot com and if you use the code cousins c O US I
N S, you'll get thirty percent off the price of your tickets. So
make sure you use that code. And I hope we get to see you
in Dallas because this will be our third one, and I think this is
going to be our best one yet by far. So I'm really kind of
excited now. I it's kind of funny. I asked on Twitter if anyone
I always announced I'm having someone on I'm talking to, and does anyone in
the critic twitter sphere have any questions for him? And I usually get like
one, I got a boatload of questions for you, and some of them
are weird. So are you're ready to take on these questions? Sure?
And if I ask you something that you don't want to answer or is just
two nuts, just say skip. But we'll just go. I'm gonna go
through these in the order I got him, and I'm just gonna ask him
because I don't know. I don't even know what some of a mean,
to be honest with you. The first ones from al Lacrosse are at Lacrosse
underscore al the concept of powerful passports. Whose are most powerful? Also which
passports have added the value to those like Americans who already have a powerful passport?
Okay, what's the powerful? What's a scoop on powerful passports? It
always depends. So powerful passport is a passport that gives you a lot of
freaser free travel. Maybe or maybe it gives you a lot of business opportunities,
or maybe the tax regime is pretty good. So it depends on your
needs. Just like there is no perfect security for bitcoint right, there is
no perfect powerful passport for anybody. You have to figure out what your attack
factors, right, like why do you need second passport? And then you
need to figure out where you want to leave? Do you have a family
or not? This also brings another question, and like it's a lot of
strategical planning to understand which passport you should get. In my opinion, used
passport used to be powerful. At this point, I would think it's it's
less of an asset, more of a problem and might so I'm eligible to
get to a password very soon, but I'm definitely not getting one because I'm
like my hands are tied. I will have to file do as taxes for
the rest of my life no matter where I leave. And it's not that
easy to announce as well. So you have to figure out what you're trying
to achieve by getting second password and put all this questions in the equation and
then and then do research and out Like I'm happily to help any big pointer
out there to come up with the best solution for him or her, and
yeah, just reach out to me on Twitter. I'm happy to answer questions
anytime. We were very easy to reach on Twitter. I'm going to say
so they should, okay. Question number two at Starry Starry in seventeen,
can you do a kick flip on your skateboard? Well, I got to
say that I'm not that good at skateboarding as some people think. I'm pretty
good at snowboarding. I've been snowboarding my whole life and duh, Like,
we had eight months of snow in my hometown. Why wouldn't so. I
only started skateboarding a few years ago in Miami because I just didn't have access
to snow. And I'm definitely going to be able to do kick flip,
yes, but I'm not really good at skateboarding. Let's say that when I
was a kid, I surfed, you know, I was like on the
high school surf team. I grew up on an island and they had they
didn't have the neopreme wheels yet, they just had steel wheels. So we
had to take a piece of wood and take a skate and nail it to
the bottom of it. And that was our skateboard, and that's what everybody
used on the beach because they hadn't made those neopreme wheels yet, they hadn't
even invented and those look a lot better than what I used when I was
a skateboarding. The next question is also a skateboard question. So people think
you're a great skateboarder. Is favorite skateboarder, favorite skate company, favorite trick,
wow, and any of those? Well, I'm also a skateboard in
a ramp and as well as in snowboarding. I would do half pipe as
well, So it will be I don't know who is my favorite skateboarder.
You probably don't know them because they're Russians. I definitely won't know them even
if they were Americans personally, but he might. That was and that was
at coin or Chorus. Let's say I will go with Sean Whyden and so
he's snowboarder. He's great skateboarder as well, but I was a fan of
him for a while, so I'll just stick with that. And he's great
hot fighter, like he's amazing obviously. Well, he also wants to know
why do you think so many skate peeps? And this might apply to snowboard
peeps too, why they're into bitcoin? Wait, we're really rebellious, Like
you have to think different to be skateboarder, you have to be into alternative
subcultures, right, Like that was the case at least when I started snowboarding
and skateboarding. So you already kind of weirdo, and then being weirdo in
terms of having bitcoin and second sets is like duh, it's it's normal for
me. I'm weird all my life, so I might as well get on
a new financial set. Nothing unusual there. Okay, this is from Alpaca
sw How much can you deadlift? Oh my god, this is so weird.
I can deadlift two hundred five pounds with a good form for two reps.
I probably can do more than that, but I would probably injure myself
or my form wouldn't be great. So two hundred five pounds okay, okay?
And status quant wanted us to ask about renouncing citizenship. I think we
covered that already, so we also here's how we Deeter Bob. Are you
a I don't even know what this is and I felt like I knew bitcoin
pretty good. Are you a bitcoin digger? Does that mean minor, you
think, well, my ans probably yes, I'm digging bitcoin, but he
means something. He was trying to be offensive. I guess it didn't work.
Sorry, Deeter. Oh, I don't even know the term. What
will tell me explain why that would be offensive? So I know the term.
Have you heard of gold digger? Oh? Really? Okay, I
would have never put that together. I didn't come across on you as thinking
of you as a gold digger or a bitcoin digger. Okay, that's interesting.
Um, I would have that's interesting. Okay. This is from mister
bitcoin Hoddler. What is the current state of quanting computing regarding Toling Bitcoin?
Definitely not a question to me, you know, Yeah, I was just
wondering as Wow, she must be pretty smart. Okay, here's the second
part of this question. Are you single? He went from quanting computing to
single? Yeah? So I think I think probably neither one of those were
very serious questions. Yeah, I think so too, space monkey. What's
your favorite law to break? I would have to know them to begin with.
That makes sense. There could be some laws you don't talk about with
a stranger. M what is my favorite law to break? I mean,
I'm not breaking laws for the sake of breaking them. I just think that
a lot of them make absolutely no sense, and I just leave the way
that I would leave if laws didn't exist. So I'm not not killing people
because loss as so, but because I'm an okay human being, right,
And in the same way, I'm like, I think I'm allowed to like
skateboard in on the road where I'm not allowed to skateboard because of law.
So I'm just going to break that because I think it makes no sense,
right, And pretty much that's that's my go to any with any law here.
This next question I found. I actually found this next one kind of
interesting. It was from New Light Funds. How do you define patriotism?
I don't know. I'm not a patriot. I mean, I like Russia
and all that stuff because I was born here and born there, and I
have a lot of great memories connected to Russian culture and Russian friend and Russian
language. But I don't think patriotism actually exists. I think it's a made
up thing brought by government because it's another way to control us. Right,
patriotism, When when did we see the most spikes of patriotism during the war,
Right, Yeah, I was gonna say right right when the war happened,
whenever a war happens, or a catastrophe like nine to eleven. Yeah,
so they need some ideology. There is some belief to unite us against
a common enemy kind of something like that. So any ideology as well as
in my opinion, religion is something to control us. And you are You're
allowed to believe on whatever you want to believe, but just make sure it's
an actual belief coming from your point of origin instead of just believing somebody who
wants to control you. That's my thinking on that sounds like a guitar.
We're getting near the end here. Oxtail one. Do you deal with imposter
syndrome at all and any difficulty being in this space as a woman. I
actually had to google imposter syndrome. I know how to say it in Russian.
I'm glad you did your homework. Yeah, so there idea of imposter
syndrome that I think that I know way less than people around me and they're
way more knowledgeable. And I feel that way in a lot of cases,
but not because of imposter syndrome, but because people actually know a lot on
Twitter, and that's why I'm there. I'm not trying to show everybody how
smart I am. I'm there to learn, right, So I'm okay with
people knowing more than me as long as I can I can acquire this information
and get smart on myself, right. So, yes, some people more
know more than me, and I'm okay with that. Do I have problem
to be female in the space? Well, first of all, I don't
know how it is to be a man in the space, and I gotta
say I feel very comfortable to be women in the space, just like I
feel comfortable to be a woman in my life and my body, the same
way with the quin. It's just a little unusual, which I think very
natural that not many women are interested in that. But no, I have
no problem with that. I feel very comfortable. I never had problems with
having this particular gender. So okay, So yeah, I think the statement
you made though about that on Twitter or wherever, there are a lot of
smart people in the space. I think there are a lot of smart people
in this space. I mean, I've you know, I'm sixty five,
so I've been involved with a lot of things, you know, and since
I turned in an adult at the age of twenty or whatever you know in
forty five years, but I've never been around I feel like as many smart
people as I have been in the bitcoin space, I mean just personally,
so I'm around, you know. I used to feel like when I was
in a room in other spaces, I was like the average person. Now
I feel like I'm normally the least intelligent person in the room, you know,
and in the bitcoin space because there's so many intelligent people in it.
And I'm just gonna read this question and I think someone's just messing with you
here, But maybe you can tell me if they're just messing This is from
Beer Nammo, and I can't even read this, Harley, and so I
want you to tell me this guy's just messing with me, because we got
another quantum risk here, both from a relationship to mythology for quantum risk assessment
by doctor Moscow. Still in the numbers, V equals W equals x equal
V plus W plus y equals blank years. Are you some big mathematician that
I don't didn't find somewhere? Well, I really like moth for sure,
and that was my background. I would I was doing I cannot make some
finance and I was rulling into moth. Well, there you go. See,
I had no idea what this was. I'll be honest with you.
See, I'm around supid. I'm one of the stupid people around all the
time. What does this even mean? I'm not sure. I'll have to
look up this question because I can't really understand it by years, I guess,
but he's probably just messing with me, maybe because I'm Russian, or
maybe because they're trying to confuse me with this question. I'll have to look
it up. I will make sure to go back to this question on Twitter
and respond to that. Now, I did have two things I wanted to
go over and make sure people knew about. One is this is your right
right plan b Passport dot com. That's right, so people need to check
that out. And that would be with what we were talking about earlier.
And you have a free twenty minute consultant that they can schedule a call there.
And you also have like the said underground Cita, but you have a
YouTube page Katie and annas YouTube dot com slash Katie and Anna. Yes,
I didn't watch Toxic Ladies Saturday and whiten Chat, I have to admit,
but I did learn about the price of passports and stuff from your other one,
the top five passport programs and citizenship by investment. That was kind of
really educational for a real quick show that I've watched. Thank you. Yeah.
I started this YouTube channel very recently, less than months ago, and
I will make sure to fill it up with different content. All of that
is going to be focused on self soover in ky So. I'll put some
of my martial arts training there. I'll take more about taxation in the US
and Canada. I will talk more about different citizenship options. Yeah, a
lot of stuff on selfsover. That's pretty much my idea and what I want
to talk about on my YouTube channel. And Plan B Passport is pretty much
separate brands from the company that I've been with for a while. But Plan
B Passport is separate brands for bitcoiners because I think that bitcointerers are not really
interested in like Montenegro and some European passports, but those that I listed on
Plan B Passport or tax haven'ts. So it's like really convenient passports for bitcoiners.
Okay, now, is there anything you wanted to maybe go over that
we didn't cover. I want to make sure that we didn't miss out on
something that there's something you really wanted the promoter go over. No, I
just want to say that underground sudatile dot com. It's going to be free
event, but you will get the address twelve hours pre or to the event
because we cannot talk of the record. It's going to be a lot of
very sensitive topics and I don't want anybody outside of the community to be present
on there on this event. So just make sure to register the underground statile
dot com and and I will send you the address twelve hours before the event.
So sounds good. And if you forget that by seven chances remember going
a bit block boom and there's a link there under tickets, but it's no
charge to go to that. I appreciate you coming on the show and just
let you know you were officially a crypto cousin. Now thank you so much,
so we're now cousins in Crypto and I really do appreciate you coming on
the show, and you know, I look forward to meeting you in August.
I think we're going to have a great time and I can't wait to
meet you and talk with you in person. I met there are a lot
of other people feel the same way. I'm extremely excited to be block bloom.
I really wanted to meet all the friends and online friends there, like
it's going to be amazing. I'm sure. I think that's what people like
about it so much, is that the people you can't meet anywhere else come
be honest with I had a friend of mine said, I want to learn
about bitcoin. Should I come to this? I was kind of going,
well, you know, if you don't even know what bitcoin is, this
might not be the conference for you. This might be a little over your
head. You know, this is for people who are hardcore. This isn't
for people who want to learn what blockchain is. I actually have a question
to you, what's the first big blog boom in February two thousand eighteen.
No, the first one was in August. Again, this is our third
year, so August twenty eighteen was the first one. It was like maybe
the second week or first week of August, and so all of them have
been This will be the third one. They've all been in August, and
I think I think we did ours in August. The first one was August
twenty eighteen, and then maybe that next spring. Crypto twenty nineteen did their
first one, well the first one in years, you know, they did
their first one, and so so it was working out pretty good because we
kind of did the fall and they had in the spring, you know,
fall of spring, so it worked out pretty good time because no one else
is doing it and one in the heat of the fall. So but you
know what, the coronavirus is. Stuff has happened. You know, Texas
is now opening up. You know, I think Friday all the stores can
open and restaurants can start opening. So by August, you know, we
should be completely open. And this will be the first bitcoin conference almost of
the whole year. First once is February, so we should really have a
pat crowd. I think people right now are just kind of waiting to make
sure it's going to happen. They're kind of hesitant now, but I think
it's things open up because tickets were selling like gangbusters until the coronavirus happened and
then all of these conferences start shutting down, and I felt like it was
going to be good. By August. I can imagine this would go on
that long, and I think I'm gonna be right by that. So I
think within the next couple of weeks. Now I'm going to start promoting again.
I don't want to be promoting felt like people would get pissed abous promoting
something really hard during the middle of bad times. But now I think it's
over. You know, we'll start promoting it. So I think sales,
so I think we'll have a full I think we'll sell out. Yeah,
I'm pretty sure. Actually, like it's a good sign that Texas started to
reopen it again. And yes, I'm pretty sure August is happening. It's
gonna be great. We all going to see each other and have a lot
of great time. And it's Texas. We need to go shoot guns.
And there was an event last year which I think they're doing again this year,
which is at the gun range bitcoin and bullets. So they did that
last year and then they didn't promote it last year because they hadn't done it,
you know, and they had all these guns and stuff and they wanted
to make sure they could control everything. But I was told last year that
they felt real good about it this year and they had found a local guy
who was a bitcoiner that was going to help get everything together this year.
So I think this year on maybe Thursday. They're supposed to be a big,
big coin and bullets event, but it's not on the site yet,
but it'll be coming soon. I'm in, but that's not so. Yeah,
you gotta come here and shoot guns. Yeah. I got a new
gun the other day. I bought my wife a semi automatic twenty two.
It's just something small and light that she could use for protection if she needed.
And I posted it on a site, just a picture of it,
and it got taken off the site. I was so weird. I said,
you can't even post a picture of a gun. And they told me
that someone got scared. I said, by a picture of a gun?
What even anyone holding it? People were weird sometimes. Yeah, Hey,
I appreciate you joining us, and like I said, I look forward to
meeting you again. Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, see you
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