1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:08,880 Hi there, It's Katie Anna Nina here, and this is Gary Leland and 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:14,080 you're listening to episode one thirty six of the Crypto Cousins podcast. Beat your 3 00:00:14,119 --> 00:00:20,079 interest in bitcoin and cryptocurrencies by joining Hall of Fame podcaster Gary Leland on the 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,239 Crypto Cousins Podcast. And remember we are all cousins in the world of crypto. 5 00:00:26,879 --> 00:00:31,679 This week's price of bitcoin eight thousand, eight hundred and fifty three dollars. 6 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:36,679 That's up eleven hundred and forty three dollars our fourteen point seven percent over 7 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:40,799 the past seven days. Howdy howdy, Katie, thanks for joining me on 8 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,200 the show. Thanks for having me. I'm really wanted to be here. 9 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,000 Well, I'm excited to be here. I was. I was really impressed. 10 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,880 You know, we were talking a minute ago before the show and you 11 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,920 told me your native language was Russian, but you learned English like five years 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,000 ago. I'm impressed with how good your English is. Yeah. I was 13 00:00:58,039 --> 00:01:02,520 born and raised in Russia, and actually four and a half years ago I 14 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,120 decided to quit my university, learn language in six months and move to the 15 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,040 States. And so I did. What part of Russia did you come from? 16 00:01:11,079 --> 00:01:14,480 I was born and raised in Siberia, But then I lived in Moscow 17 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,959 for a year, in Saint Petersburg for a couple of years. Okay, 18 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,480 now I gotta ask you, since I'm a movie buff, I watch a 19 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,640 lot of movies, and a lot of times the Russians or the bad guys 20 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,920 you know in American movies, and they always send them. They always send 21 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,480 the Russians to the good log in Siberia. I mean in every movie, 22 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,000 if the Russian guy gets in trouble, he knows he's going to a good 23 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:42,239 log in Siberia. In Siberia really that cold and that bad or because that's 24 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,439 the impression I get from watching movies. Well, it used to be, 25 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,959 yes, people would would get sent to Siberia because it was cold. There 26 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,159 was not much inferenstructure back there, but we were trying to, you know, 27 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:59,599 get on this new land and cover it with like new jobs and manufacturers. 28 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,000 Right now, I think it's a great place. Yes, it is 29 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,680 a little cold, but in town that I was born, we had great 30 00:02:07,719 --> 00:02:12,439 ski resorts, so my winters were amazing. I had a lot of fun. 31 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:15,319 Well that's kind of the opposite of you now, because every time I 32 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,840 see when I was like trying to educate myself about you. Everything I saw 33 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,719 you were like on the islands in the Bahamas or Caribbean. So you went 34 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:30,319 from one extreme to completely the completely opposite extreme. Yeah. I actually moved 35 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:36,000 from Siberia to Miami at the end of June. So when I landed in 36 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,759 Miami, I was like, oh my god, there's no chance I can 37 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,520 survive that. I'm melting. And it took me. It took me a 38 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,840 while. It took me like a year to get used to the weather. 39 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,599 But I haven't seen snow in like four years, and I'm okay with that. 40 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:53,960 I really loved the snowboard. So I'm going to spend a lot of 41 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,560 time next season in the mountains for sure. Maybe I'll go back to Motherland 42 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,120 because I still haven't been back, but I Joian we're in weather for sure. 43 00:03:01,479 --> 00:03:06,599 Well that's that's interesting. You know when people come to like last year, 44 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:08,960 when it came to bit block Boom, you know, which you're doing 45 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:12,599 something at they we'll talk about it in a little bit, but it was 46 00:03:13,039 --> 00:03:16,599 bit black Booms at the end of August and in Texas into August is pretty 47 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,879 damn hot. Let's face it. It's not like it's not like they're people 48 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,800 pouring into the state wanting to visit during the end of August. And it 49 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:30,400 was funny to see how so many people, like from Canada or Finland or 50 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:35,680 Europe, they were just dying in the heat. So that's probably how you 51 00:03:35,719 --> 00:03:39,120 were reacting at first. Yes, pretty much, pretty much. And probably 52 00:03:39,319 --> 00:03:44,960 the humidity as much as the heat was bothering you down there, because I 53 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,400 don't know, I grew up in South Carolina on an island, and the 54 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:52,039 humidity was like you took a shower and got all dressed and by the time 55 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:53,400 you got to your car, you were soaking wet, you know, from 56 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,520 the humidity of the being on the ocean there with the heat. Yeah, 57 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,319 I was in the mountains in Siberia, so even when it was hot, 58 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:06,400 which happened since idea, sometimes it was so like tolerable, toleratable. And 59 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:13,319 now I'm also in the mountains in Mexico and it's about twenty eight degrees right 60 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:16,360 now, Celsius was it like ninety five. It's pretty good. That sounds 61 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,000 pretty good. Okay, So that's a little bit of background on you. 62 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:24,360 So we know where we're coming from here now, I know, basically where 63 00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:27,839 you're from, and so kind of maybe how you think, how did you 64 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,319 discover bitcoin or how did you get into bitcoin or discover that? Tell us 65 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:36,000 your background story on that. I actually believe that I'm privileged to have this 66 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:43,120 background because it kind of led me to bitcoin in so many ways. I'm 67 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,800 not sure. You said you're like watching movies. Have you seen slum Dog 68 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,879 Millionaire? Yes? Yeah, I enjoyed that movie. That's a good movie. 69 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:51,959 Yeah yeah, So in this movie, just for audience who never see 70 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,120 the movie, I watch a lot of movies. So in the movie, 71 00:04:56,759 --> 00:05:00,480 a teenager in Mumbai gets on TV show called Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? 72 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,439 And he totally crushes that, like he knows answer to every question. 73 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,759 And then they started investigation on that because they just can't believe that a teenager 74 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:15,000 from Mumbai like pretty much orphan, right, how does he know all the 75 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,000 answers? And he walks them through every story in his life on how he 76 00:05:19,079 --> 00:05:23,319 discovered the answer to this question, like why does he know that? So 77 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,720 it's pretty much my experience. I'm coming from Russia and I experienced all the 78 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:33,120 bad things of like a broken financial system, Like since I was born Russian 79 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:38,439 ruble dump like ninety percent compared two years dollars when I was born and was 80 00:05:38,519 --> 00:05:42,439 like in ninety eight, Let's say in ninety eight it was six rubles per 81 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,639 dollar and now it's seventy four today, So it's pretty crazy. And when 82 00:05:46,759 --> 00:05:49,439 when you realize that, you're like, wait a second, something is wrong 83 00:05:49,519 --> 00:05:56,519 with that. And then I've seen my banking story is pretty crazy, Like 84 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,480 I would have my bank accounts closed without notice, and I wouldn't be able 85 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:05,399 to leave my country because I rs would discover that something is wrong with Texas, 86 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,000 and I'm like, wait a second, like shouldn't you notify me or 87 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,519 something. So all this experiences kind of led me to a bitcoin, and 88 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:18,399 I'm somewhat privileged to have those because in the United States, people my age, 89 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:24,240 they've been saved their whole life in terms of in terms of dollar value 90 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,399 kind of right, Yeah, yeah, I agree, they didn't have those 91 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,720 beat experienced to realize how valuable bitcoin is and why we all need to pay 92 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,639 attention. I think that that's a very good point you made, and I 93 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,519 wouldn't have thought at that point, but I can see where that would lead 94 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,959 you to have a different, completely different view than a kid your age, 95 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,279 it was born and raised in the United States, would have because I think 96 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:50,680 most people, I'm not gonna say all people, but I think a lot 97 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,240 of people, especially maybe people my age, you know, I'm sixty five. 98 00:06:55,959 --> 00:06:59,920 I think that the yeah, the United States economy, because it's been 99 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,160 right for so long that there's no way it's ever gonna go wrong. You 100 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:04,959 know, there's no way it's ever going to die. There's no way it's 101 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:09,480 ever gonna screw us. It's just never gonna happen. Even the rest of 102 00:07:09,519 --> 00:07:13,000 the world. Yeah, that could happen there, but not here, you 103 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,199 know. And I think my kids, you know, are in their thirties 104 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:21,160 and they've never had any experiences like that. You know, they haven't seen 105 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:26,439 their money. Maybe their money has been devalued some but compared to other currencies 106 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,439 still, you know, and since they don't buy gold or silvers compared to 107 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:31,079 other currencies, they don't see it, you know. So I can see 108 00:07:31,079 --> 00:07:35,519 where that would be an education that you would have to live maybe to know. 109 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,120 Do you think you're an anarchist? I know that's maybe that's a foolish 110 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,639 okay, I just ask it. Definitely, yeah, definitely, yeah, 111 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,199 because I watched I said, of research, you watched some videos, and 112 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:49,680 I came up with that conclusion that you're an an artist. And I don't 113 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,120 know if I've ever asked that question anyone, to be honest with you, 114 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,399 And I think that's something else being an old fart you know from the US 115 00:07:56,399 --> 00:08:00,560 that's lived a pretty comfortable lifestyle. You know, that's kind of a thing 116 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:03,319 that's weird to ask to me. I don't know if that makes any sense. 117 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,879 I'm not knocking you for it. I'm just I'm just being conversationalized. 118 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:11,399 No, I'm very comfortable with saying that. Yes, I'm definitely anarchist. 119 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,040 And again, I think my experience has just led me to that. Like 120 00:08:15,399 --> 00:08:20,199 during the last hundred ten years, Russia was monarchy, then we build communism 121 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,560 and then we were like, no, wait a second, we're going to 122 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,480 be democracy now. And all that happened in the last hundred years, so 123 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,480 like three generations, right, And when you went through all that and nothing 124 00:08:31,559 --> 00:08:37,799 worked, you realize that, like the control in any way doesn't really work 125 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,120 from people. So maybe there's something else that we could we could do. 126 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:46,000 And yet definitely I'm an innar kiss there they go. I pegged it right 127 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:48,360 then. See, that's why I do these shows so I can get to 128 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,600 know people. You know, I don't think that you can understand the world 129 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,480 unless you understand how a lot of people think. If you just like sit 130 00:08:56,519 --> 00:08:58,159 around going, oh, that's not right, you don't know what's right or 131 00:08:58,159 --> 00:09:01,360 what's wrong because you didn't explore it. You just are closed minded, and 132 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:05,919 I try not to be that way. I do have another question, though, 133 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,480 now that I've saw that I don't understand the passport deal, because I 134 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:13,480 know you're big into the second passports and stuff. Would you explain that to 135 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:16,480 me? Because I don't understand that part at all because I've got one passport 136 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,759 to US passport and I use it anywhere I ever go. And I got 137 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:24,519 one citizenship and you're real big into from what I can tell, multiple passports 138 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,360 or at least two multiple citizenships, and I don't understand that at all. 139 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,440 So can you explain that to me? So I'm a flex fury advocate, 140 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,159 and flexed theory stands for like, this is how you limit your dependency on 141 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:43,240 any one particular state, right, you plant new flags in different locations. 142 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,039 Let's say you hold your medals in like Singapore account you have your big one 143 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,519 and cyberspace, then you hold your passport that you got by birth. Then 144 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:58,080 you get another possport from tax heaven and in this way you kind of like 145 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,679 diversifying your portfolio. Right, so if one of the government decides that they 146 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:07,360 don't really like you, you always have a second option. And in bitcoin 147 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,960 spasically all about self sovereignty, right, like this is sovereign money, So 148 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:16,720 what are other areas of our lives that we can achieve sovereignty? And I 149 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:22,720 think that second passport is is what brings it as well. So someone having 150 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,720 matter of fact, this is kind of funny that we're talking about this like 151 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:30,440 a month ago, within the last month, my wife she goes, what 152 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,720 is the deal with people having dual passports? Do they give up one? 153 00:10:33,759 --> 00:10:37,039 Because I mean it's like kind of you know, to I think to a 154 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:41,320 lot of people in my age, maybe it's kind of a unknown thing where 155 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,720 like why would you have to or do you have to give up one? 156 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,440 Because our neighbors from England and he's like sixty six maybe and he has dual 157 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:52,159 US and the UK, And she was like, what's the deal with Nigel 158 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,679 being in this two citizenship deal? I said, I think a lot of 159 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,799 people are. I don't think that's unusual, but it seems unusual to us. 160 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,639 You know, they have two you know, but it's I guess in 161 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,320 a whole, it's not unusual if you take the rest of the world. 162 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,879 Am I correct on that? Or is it just people in the United States 163 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,080 that would be more opt to think it's unusual or would the rest of the 164 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,679 world go Sure, everybody's got to I would say it wasn't really needed because 165 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:20,320 government weren't tricking us that good. They didn't have their ship together in terms 166 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,600 of like controlling our travel and all that stuff. But lately, like they 167 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:28,559 know pretty much everything where you go, what you do, and it's becoming 168 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:35,799 more and more common for US citizens, for US citizens lately because US password 169 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:39,559 is pretty unique, Like they have citizenship based taxation. So no matter where 170 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,080 you leave, no matter where your income comes from, maybe you haven't been 171 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:48,440 to the United States for twenty years, you're still supposed to file paxes every 172 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,679 every year, even so, like you have nothing to do, it's use 173 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:56,679 the even so that's why a lot of people start to opening offshore bank accounts, 174 00:11:56,159 --> 00:12:01,039 getting their second passport because all the banks in the world pretty much need 175 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:05,679 to follow Vodka. It's like an agreement, you know about it, and 176 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:09,080 a lot of banks around the world, Yeah, if they want to be 177 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,960 in the banking business, they have to work with the US. Yeah, 178 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:15,919 but they have to comply with US law, and it's really complicated. So 179 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,360 sometimes they're like, Hey, you're from the US, You're not going to 180 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:22,120 be able to open bank accounts at our bank. So it's really complicated for 181 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:28,240 your citizens and immigration processes. What made me look into that a lot when 182 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:33,799 I got to the US. I got there with tourist visa right, so 183 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,960 I would only be able to stay for six months. But I realized that 184 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,039 there are a lot of holes in the process with government entities or those who 185 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,919 try to comply with government laws. They just don't know how to deal with 186 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:52,559 foreign citizens or with those who have more than one passport. So I managed 187 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,519 to get bank accounts without social security attached to that because I just simply didn't 188 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,320 have one, and I got my driver license was our social security number attached 189 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:07,840 to that. I even manage to get on bitcoin on ramps accounts without social 190 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:11,720 security number attached to that. So it's pretty convenient to be foreigners sometimes it 191 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:18,720 seems like you have more more advantages compared to citizens. For example, my 192 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:22,399 death still uses his Florida driver license in Russia, his license has been expired 193 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,240 for over a year. But because they don't know that, they're like, 194 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,679 wow, this is Miami driver lice. You can go, but can I 195 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,240 take a picture with that. I'm like, that's crazy. And the same 196 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,799 way in Mexico. Yeah, I just show them my Russian documents here in 197 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,759 Mexico and they've never seen Russian before, so it's like, wow, that's 198 00:13:41,799 --> 00:13:43,919 interesting, and they just let me go. That is funny, you know, 199 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,799 especially on the Miami driver's license. But I can see how that worked 200 00:13:46,799 --> 00:13:50,960 in reverse, would work in reverse in Mexico with the Russian documents. So 201 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,120 I'm trying to absorb all this. I know it's probably not that much to 202 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:58,279 absorb, but how did you It seems like it'd be hard, You're saying 203 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,799 because you weren't a US citizen and you were able to get around the KYC 204 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:07,639 rules for on getting on line crypto exchanges and stuff. Because you weren't a 205 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:11,279 citizen. Where a citizens going to have a harder time citizen in the US. 206 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:15,639 You know, it's harder for US citizen and get around that. I 207 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,000 think it's pretty impossible for you as citizens. But what I did there is 208 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,879 I was already officially resident of the United States, like I get approved for 209 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:28,200 a green card, but they lost my green card in a mail, and 210 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,159 they lost my Social Security in a mail. For like a year, I 211 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,039 was I was looking for that everywhere, and I wrote this whole letter to 212 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,639 an exchange that I was using, and they just didn't have a chance. 213 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:41,879 They get confused, first of all, and also I was resident of the 214 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,720 United States, so I had a right to have a talent in this in 215 00:14:45,799 --> 00:14:48,799 this exchange. So they're like, all right, just put these numbers instead 216 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:54,000 of your Social Security number and we'll we'll do so they worked. So you 217 00:14:54,080 --> 00:15:00,480 have in Mexico. Now I see you. I can Antigua and I resorts 218 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,200 a lot. Do you have a like on the Continental Mexico. Are you 219 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,240 on an island? I mean where it's for like a resort or what's good? 220 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,159 Not that I'm coming down there. I'm just curious you should. Definitely. 221 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,200 I love this town a lot. I actually run Bigqoin meets up and 222 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,799 Guadalajara. This is where I leave right now. I don't live here full 223 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,080 time, but I would say like sixty percent of the time I'm here, 224 00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:26,399 and was this situation with virus. I couldn't be happier of being south of 225 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:31,200 the border because my life literally hasn't changed a tiny bit. I still allowed 226 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,039 to go anywhere I want. I skateboard, I roll a blade every day, 227 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:39,759 I have martial art trainings every day. Like it's all good. Nothing 228 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:43,759 has changed. So yeah, so everything, everything's good for you, din 229 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:48,279 there now. One of the things I noticed though from your videos about second 230 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,960 passports, it's kind of expensive to get a second passport. I mean on 231 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,519 Antigue Wood, so like a hundred thousand dollars or an investment a four hundred 232 00:15:56,519 --> 00:15:58,399 thousand dollars, I think you said. So it's not like you can just 233 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,360 go down there and say, hey, I want a passport. I'm going 234 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,480 to stay down here for six months. I mean, how does that compare 235 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:08,240 with the US as far as getting a passport? I mean, if you 236 00:16:08,279 --> 00:16:12,240 wanted a passport from the US and you came from Russia, how hard would 237 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,600 it be or how expensive would it be compared to being from Russian going to 238 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,240 Antigua. How does that compare? I guess, well, when you come 239 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:23,720 to the United States, it's like the hardest immigration process on earth right now, 240 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,799 one of the at least one, top five definitely, And I was 241 00:16:27,879 --> 00:16:33,559 lucky I got my green card for people with extraordinary abilities. I was in 242 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:37,480 Russian national team bag then in top twenty world ranking. So they were like, 243 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,480 all right, Katie, compete for American out. Here's your documents. 244 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:45,000 What team were you on sailing? I was Russian National Sailing team. Oh 245 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:48,519 I saw you mentioned that you saw some people Antiguay that you sailed with or 246 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:52,120 something. Yeah, okay, But if you want to do like citizenship by 247 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:56,960 investments in the United States, it used to be five hundred thousand dollars and 248 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:03,080 you invest money into really really that industry that is not gonna do you give 249 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,599 you any return, and then five years later you get your citizenship. Right 250 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:11,240 now they're changing this immigration policy and it's going to be one million, three 251 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:17,119 hundred thousand dollars investment. I knew this existed in the US, but I 252 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,079 didn't know. I guess. I guess I didn't rationalize it. It existed 253 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,680 everywhere, and that we were just a lot higher than a lot of places. 254 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,519 But I knew that existed in the US. Because we were watching it, 255 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,359 my wife was going, well, that's not fair that rich people can 256 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,920 become citizen by paying money, and so I don't care. I say, 257 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,839 at least are putting some money in the economy. But I didn't know it 258 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,480 was that much higher. It's gonna be one million, three hundred thousand, 259 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:41,240 I think you said Antigua, you had to invest four hundred thousand into real 260 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,680 estatement, and it's much faster. So in the nation islands like Caribbean Islands, 261 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,200 it's four months and you get your potsport. In the US it's four 262 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,359 months, you got your great Card, wait for five years, be a 263 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:57,839 good citizen, and five years later you'll get to your potsport. So it's 264 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:03,759 still expensive though for the average person to become a citizen in Antigua, I 265 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:07,400 mean one hundred thousand dollars or one hundred fifty thousand dollars. Everybody's walking around 266 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:12,160 with that cash. There are much much cheaper options in the world, like, 267 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,440 for example, in Brazil, you can just have a baby in Brazil 268 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:19,680 and get your permanent residency and then a year later you get your password, 269 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,759 so it's not expensive at all. Like all the paperwork would take you like 270 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,000 less than thousand dollars, but you have to have a baby there. In 271 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:30,759 Mexica is the saying, yeah, I'm gonna have a hard time there. 272 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,559 There are a lot of a lot of cheap options. But again it's different 273 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:40,200 value proposition. Like in Panama, it's five ten grand to get your residency 274 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,640 and then five years later you would get your password. Panama is beautiful. 275 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,000 I spent two weeks or one time. That's a great vice. I mean, 276 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,920 especially if you're on the coast. Yeah, it is. I actually 277 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,359 want to visit. But for a nation, for island nations like citizenship by 278 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,759 investment programs, it's super quick. So it's for people who want their passport 279 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:02,839 like half year from now or next right, So you're paying for speed and 280 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,359 for the process is pretty easy. So you just put all your papers together, 281 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,480 you send them to the island, you get approved, four months later, 282 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,759 you get your passport. But well, I don't understand. I know 283 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,119 that you've probably said this. Maybe I'm just dense. I really understand why 284 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,599 I would want that passport because I'm still going to pay US taxes. I'm 285 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,279 still going to be subject to the US law. Even if I have that. 286 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,799 If I get a passport to Antigua and I pay this money and I 287 00:19:25,799 --> 00:19:27,440 moved down to Antigua, I'm still gonna be paying all this money to the 288 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:32,039 US, aren't I? So what was my advantage? This is pretty true. 289 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,960 I mean, there are some ways that you legally don't have to pay 290 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:40,240 taxes. You get exemption on like seventy four thousand dollars if your income is 291 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,079 out of country and you leave out of country, Like there are a lot 292 00:19:44,079 --> 00:19:47,640 of requirements not to pay taxes and videas, but you still have to file. 293 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,480 And we've seen huge growth in pronouncing your citizenship. I just posted, 294 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,480 did I post it? Now? I'm going to post a video about pronouncing 295 00:19:56,559 --> 00:20:02,400 use citizenship tomorrow probably, And we've seen crazy growth of that, Like in 296 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,599 two thousand and seven, it was three hundred people a year. In two 297 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:10,160 thousand and eighteen it was five thousand people. And also I personally know a 298 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:15,000 few people who renounced their use citizenship, but the names never made it to 299 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:19,400 the official report. So I would guess that US just suppressed the numbers. 300 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,319 And it's much more than that. But I thought that the US had passed 301 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:27,960 a law like maybe five six years ago that even if you renounce your citizenship, 302 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,000 you still have to pay taxes for like five years or something, you 303 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:34,960 know, because of the Facebook guy who left, you know, and had 304 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,720 all that money and he renounced the citizenship and he said, wha wait a 305 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,759 second, you got too much money to be you know, and so they 306 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:44,920 changed the law. I mean, I'm not right. So you to be 307 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,640 able to renounce your use citizenship, you have to make sure that last five 308 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,240 years you filed taxes exactly correct. And then you're supposed to pay forty percent 309 00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:59,160 exit tak exit tax on all your wealth. But again, if you plan 310 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,799 on it, take the next few years preparing your I think your wealth. 311 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:07,720 Yeah. So if you're doing it, it's like anything. If you spend 312 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,799 the money and do it wisely, you you're not going to pay that kind 313 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:14,200 of percentage and get out of there. Okay, Well, now you're gonna 314 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,680 be we talked a minute earlier. You're gonna be at bit block Boom this 315 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:19,359 year. Um. This will be your first time to block. Is this 316 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,839 your first time to Texas? No? I actually lived in Houston for some 317 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,799 time. Oh okay, okay, well this will be your first time to 318 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:32,920 Dallas maybe Um, so you're gonna come and you're doing the Underground Citterle the 319 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:37,599 day before bit block Boom starts officially on Saturday, and then we have satellite 320 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:41,279 events going on Thursday and Friday, and you're heading up satellite event called Underground 321 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:45,880 Citterle, which is at underground citatle dot com if they want to register. 322 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,400 And I think this is a free event, and it looks like it's most 323 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,559 of the day. It's a lot of time. I mean, you've got 324 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:52,119 a lot going on. It's not like you just walk in and walk out. 325 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:55,519 And this is the kind of thing we were really wanting to get going 326 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,640 a bit want Boom to eventually be like it starts Monday, you know, 327 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,200 and there's something all week long until they get to the conference on Saturday and 328 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,400 Sunday. So tell us about tell me all about it, because I don't 329 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,480 even know everything about it, so I want to know about So tell me. 330 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:15,920 So Underground Citadel is whatever bitcoiner needs to know outside of bitcoint So it's 331 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:21,440 all things that bring you, brings you to self sovereignty, self defense, 332 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:29,039 self medical care, self sufficient housing like renewable energy and collecting water, all 333 00:22:29,079 --> 00:22:33,759 that stuff. We'll also talk about anti serbelliance and yeah, I'm sure it's 334 00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:37,359 going to be amazing unschooling as well. Well, I'm excited to see it. 335 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:42,119 I know you were originally going to do this in San Francisco at Bitcoin 336 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,160 twenty twenty, and then that got postponed, and as of it now, 337 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,279 I still don't think they have announced the date of when it's going to happen, 338 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,160 if it happens. So I guess you said, well, we're going 339 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,200 to do this, and I'm glad you contacted me so we can make it 340 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,559 happen, because, like I said, my goal is to have a whole 341 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:00,200 week of stuff going on, and most of it won't be mine, you 342 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,359 know, it'll be other people. It's like you doing things like this. 343 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,359 I think you've got Matt from a start nine is he had something and maybe 344 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,920 y'all are y'all worked out to do something. We haven't went to the same 345 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,680 day, So we're gonna make sure we're not overlapping, and I will move 346 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:18,400 my events a little early, like an hour earlier, and then we all 347 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,279 moved from Underground Citadel to his workshop because I really wanted to do with my 348 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:26,160 own server too. I was like, I can't miss this event, we 349 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,359 can't overlap because I want to attend to your events as well well. I 350 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,720 bought one of his servers. I was very impressed with it, so I 351 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,319 bought one. As a matter of fact. Now I want to make sure 352 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:37,319 if you're listening to this and you don't know about bit block Boom, then 353 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,279 this has got to be the first time because that's all I ever talk about. 354 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,240 But if you're not familiar with block Boom, I call it the real 355 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,680 Bitcoin conference because that's all we talk about. We don't talk about all coins, 356 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,240 and we're not that worried about blockchain. We're worried about bitcoin. And 357 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,400 this is in Dallas and the end of August, so it's hot, so 358 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:56,960 get ready for that. But everything's air conditioned down here at leastways. But 359 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,759 there's gonna be a lot of stuff happening. Check out our speaker lineup at 360 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:06,039 bitblock boom dot com and if you use the code cousins c O US I 361 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,880 N S, you'll get thirty percent off the price of your tickets. So 362 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,640 make sure you use that code. And I hope we get to see you 363 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,400 in Dallas because this will be our third one, and I think this is 364 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,000 going to be our best one yet by far. So I'm really kind of 365 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:22,880 excited now. I it's kind of funny. I asked on Twitter if anyone 366 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,000 I always announced I'm having someone on I'm talking to, and does anyone in 367 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,799 the critic twitter sphere have any questions for him? And I usually get like 368 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,200 one, I got a boatload of questions for you, and some of them 369 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,480 are weird. So are you're ready to take on these questions? Sure? 370 00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:42,960 And if I ask you something that you don't want to answer or is just 371 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:47,480 two nuts, just say skip. But we'll just go. I'm gonna go 372 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,039 through these in the order I got him, and I'm just gonna ask him 373 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:52,000 because I don't know. I don't even know what some of a mean, 374 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:56,039 to be honest with you. The first ones from al Lacrosse are at Lacrosse 375 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:02,440 underscore al the concept of powerful passports. Whose are most powerful? Also which 376 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,799 passports have added the value to those like Americans who already have a powerful passport? 377 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,079 Okay, what's the powerful? What's a scoop on powerful passports? It 378 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,960 always depends. So powerful passport is a passport that gives you a lot of 379 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,400 freaser free travel. Maybe or maybe it gives you a lot of business opportunities, 380 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:25,279 or maybe the tax regime is pretty good. So it depends on your 381 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,400 needs. Just like there is no perfect security for bitcoint right, there is 382 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,079 no perfect powerful passport for anybody. You have to figure out what your attack 383 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,799 factors, right, like why do you need second passport? And then you 384 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:41,400 need to figure out where you want to leave? Do you have a family 385 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:45,400 or not? This also brings another question, and like it's a lot of 386 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,240 strategical planning to understand which passport you should get. In my opinion, used 387 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:56,000 passport used to be powerful. At this point, I would think it's it's 388 00:25:56,079 --> 00:26:00,680 less of an asset, more of a problem and might so I'm eligible to 389 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,240 get to a password very soon, but I'm definitely not getting one because I'm 390 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,759 like my hands are tied. I will have to file do as taxes for 391 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,400 the rest of my life no matter where I leave. And it's not that 392 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:17,240 easy to announce as well. So you have to figure out what you're trying 393 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:23,039 to achieve by getting second password and put all this questions in the equation and 394 00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:27,680 then and then do research and out Like I'm happily to help any big pointer 395 00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:33,559 out there to come up with the best solution for him or her, and 396 00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:37,920 yeah, just reach out to me on Twitter. I'm happy to answer questions 397 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,279 anytime. We were very easy to reach on Twitter. I'm going to say 398 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:45,359 so they should, okay. Question number two at Starry Starry in seventeen, 399 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,680 can you do a kick flip on your skateboard? Well, I got to 400 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,079 say that I'm not that good at skateboarding as some people think. I'm pretty 401 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:56,079 good at snowboarding. I've been snowboarding my whole life and duh, Like, 402 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,240 we had eight months of snow in my hometown. Why wouldn't so. I 403 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:06,000 only started skateboarding a few years ago in Miami because I just didn't have access 404 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,359 to snow. And I'm definitely going to be able to do kick flip, 405 00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:15,680 yes, but I'm not really good at skateboarding. Let's say that when I 406 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:18,240 was a kid, I surfed, you know, I was like on the 407 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,319 high school surf team. I grew up on an island and they had they 408 00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,880 didn't have the neopreme wheels yet, they just had steel wheels. So we 409 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,480 had to take a piece of wood and take a skate and nail it to 410 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,920 the bottom of it. And that was our skateboard, and that's what everybody 411 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,160 used on the beach because they hadn't made those neopreme wheels yet, they hadn't 412 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,880 even invented and those look a lot better than what I used when I was 413 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,480 a skateboarding. The next question is also a skateboard question. So people think 414 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:48,519 you're a great skateboarder. Is favorite skateboarder, favorite skate company, favorite trick, 415 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,079 wow, and any of those? Well, I'm also a skateboard in 416 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,680 a ramp and as well as in snowboarding. I would do half pipe as 417 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:02,680 well, So it will be I don't know who is my favorite skateboarder. 418 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,960 You probably don't know them because they're Russians. I definitely won't know them even 419 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,839 if they were Americans personally, but he might. That was and that was 420 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,759 at coin or Chorus. Let's say I will go with Sean Whyden and so 421 00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:18,440 he's snowboarder. He's great skateboarder as well, but I was a fan of 422 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:22,480 him for a while, so I'll just stick with that. And he's great 423 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:25,839 hot fighter, like he's amazing obviously. Well, he also wants to know 424 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,519 why do you think so many skate peeps? And this might apply to snowboard 425 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:34,599 peeps too, why they're into bitcoin? Wait, we're really rebellious, Like 426 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:41,039 you have to think different to be skateboarder, you have to be into alternative 427 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,160 subcultures, right, Like that was the case at least when I started snowboarding 428 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,799 and skateboarding. So you already kind of weirdo, and then being weirdo in 429 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:55,680 terms of having bitcoin and second sets is like duh, it's it's normal for 430 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,799 me. I'm weird all my life, so I might as well get on 431 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:03,599 a new financial set. Nothing unusual there. Okay, this is from Alpaca 432 00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:10,480 sw How much can you deadlift? Oh my god, this is so weird. 433 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,960 I can deadlift two hundred five pounds with a good form for two reps. 434 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,920 I probably can do more than that, but I would probably injure myself 435 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:25,680 or my form wouldn't be great. So two hundred five pounds okay, okay? 436 00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:29,640 And status quant wanted us to ask about renouncing citizenship. I think we 437 00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:36,559 covered that already, so we also here's how we Deeter Bob. Are you 438 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:38,200 a I don't even know what this is and I felt like I knew bitcoin 439 00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:42,519 pretty good. Are you a bitcoin digger? Does that mean minor, you 440 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:48,200 think, well, my ans probably yes, I'm digging bitcoin, but he 441 00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:51,920 means something. He was trying to be offensive. I guess it didn't work. 442 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,240 Sorry, Deeter. Oh, I don't even know the term. What 443 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,160 will tell me explain why that would be offensive? So I know the term. 444 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,799 Have you heard of gold digger? Oh? Really? Okay, I 445 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,319 would have never put that together. I didn't come across on you as thinking 446 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,519 of you as a gold digger or a bitcoin digger. Okay, that's interesting. 447 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,599 Um, I would have that's interesting. Okay. This is from mister 448 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:18,359 bitcoin Hoddler. What is the current state of quanting computing regarding Toling Bitcoin? 449 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,400 Definitely not a question to me, you know, Yeah, I was just 450 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,079 wondering as Wow, she must be pretty smart. Okay, here's the second 451 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:30,440 part of this question. Are you single? He went from quanting computing to 452 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,200 single? Yeah? So I think I think probably neither one of those were 453 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,319 very serious questions. Yeah, I think so too, space monkey. What's 454 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:44,000 your favorite law to break? I would have to know them to begin with. 455 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,279 That makes sense. There could be some laws you don't talk about with 456 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,119 a stranger. M what is my favorite law to break? I mean, 457 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:56,039 I'm not breaking laws for the sake of breaking them. I just think that 458 00:30:56,319 --> 00:31:00,319 a lot of them make absolutely no sense, and I just leave the way 459 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:04,240 that I would leave if laws didn't exist. So I'm not not killing people 460 00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:08,480 because loss as so, but because I'm an okay human being, right, 461 00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:12,440 And in the same way, I'm like, I think I'm allowed to like 462 00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:18,119 skateboard in on the road where I'm not allowed to skateboard because of law. 463 00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:19,839 So I'm just going to break that because I think it makes no sense, 464 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:27,000 right, And pretty much that's that's my go to any with any law here. 465 00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:30,000 This next question I found. I actually found this next one kind of 466 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:34,240 interesting. It was from New Light Funds. How do you define patriotism? 467 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:38,279 I don't know. I'm not a patriot. I mean, I like Russia 468 00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:41,559 and all that stuff because I was born here and born there, and I 469 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:47,599 have a lot of great memories connected to Russian culture and Russian friend and Russian 470 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,960 language. But I don't think patriotism actually exists. I think it's a made 471 00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:57,200 up thing brought by government because it's another way to control us. Right, 472 00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:02,920 patriotism, When when did we see the most spikes of patriotism during the war, 473 00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:07,000 Right, Yeah, I was gonna say right right when the war happened, 474 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,759 whenever a war happens, or a catastrophe like nine to eleven. Yeah, 475 00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:15,039 so they need some ideology. There is some belief to unite us against 476 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:21,440 a common enemy kind of something like that. So any ideology as well as 477 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:27,519 in my opinion, religion is something to control us. And you are You're 478 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,680 allowed to believe on whatever you want to believe, but just make sure it's 479 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:37,079 an actual belief coming from your point of origin instead of just believing somebody who 480 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:40,559 wants to control you. That's my thinking on that sounds like a guitar. 481 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,799 We're getting near the end here. Oxtail one. Do you deal with imposter 482 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:50,519 syndrome at all and any difficulty being in this space as a woman. I 483 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:55,119 actually had to google imposter syndrome. I know how to say it in Russian. 484 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:01,960 I'm glad you did your homework. Yeah, so there idea of imposter 485 00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:07,000 syndrome that I think that I know way less than people around me and they're 486 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,400 way more knowledgeable. And I feel that way in a lot of cases, 487 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,519 but not because of imposter syndrome, but because people actually know a lot on 488 00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:20,960 Twitter, and that's why I'm there. I'm not trying to show everybody how 489 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,160 smart I am. I'm there to learn, right, So I'm okay with 490 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:29,640 people knowing more than me as long as I can I can acquire this information 491 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,680 and get smart on myself, right. So, yes, some people more 492 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,039 know more than me, and I'm okay with that. Do I have problem 493 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,720 to be female in the space? Well, first of all, I don't 494 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:45,039 know how it is to be a man in the space, and I gotta 495 00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,519 say I feel very comfortable to be women in the space, just like I 496 00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:51,920 feel comfortable to be a woman in my life and my body, the same 497 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,640 way with the quin. It's just a little unusual, which I think very 498 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,640 natural that not many women are interested in that. But no, I have 499 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,599 no problem with that. I feel very comfortable. I never had problems with 500 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:10,119 having this particular gender. So okay, So yeah, I think the statement 501 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:14,559 you made though about that on Twitter or wherever, there are a lot of 502 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,119 smart people in the space. I think there are a lot of smart people 503 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,599 in this space. I mean, I've you know, I'm sixty five, 504 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,440 so I've been involved with a lot of things, you know, and since 505 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,599 I turned in an adult at the age of twenty or whatever you know in 506 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:30,320 forty five years, but I've never been around I feel like as many smart 507 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:36,039 people as I have been in the bitcoin space, I mean just personally, 508 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,960 so I'm around, you know. I used to feel like when I was 509 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,320 in a room in other spaces, I was like the average person. Now 510 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,559 I feel like I'm normally the least intelligent person in the room, you know, 511 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,800 and in the bitcoin space because there's so many intelligent people in it. 512 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,719 And I'm just gonna read this question and I think someone's just messing with you 513 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,920 here, But maybe you can tell me if they're just messing This is from 514 00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:00,679 Beer Nammo, and I can't even read this, Harley, and so I 515 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:02,639 want you to tell me this guy's just messing with me, because we got 516 00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:07,800 another quantum risk here, both from a relationship to mythology for quantum risk assessment 517 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:13,079 by doctor Moscow. Still in the numbers, V equals W equals x equal 518 00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:16,599 V plus W plus y equals blank years. Are you some big mathematician that 519 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:22,280 I don't didn't find somewhere? Well, I really like moth for sure, 520 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,719 and that was my background. I would I was doing I cannot make some 521 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,920 finance and I was rulling into moth. Well, there you go. See, 522 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,719 I had no idea what this was. I'll be honest with you. 523 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,280 See, I'm around supid. I'm one of the stupid people around all the 524 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,199 time. What does this even mean? I'm not sure. I'll have to 525 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:42,800 look up this question because I can't really understand it by years, I guess, 526 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,440 but he's probably just messing with me, maybe because I'm Russian, or 527 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,239 maybe because they're trying to confuse me with this question. I'll have to look 528 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,719 it up. I will make sure to go back to this question on Twitter 529 00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:57,079 and respond to that. Now, I did have two things I wanted to 530 00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:00,199 go over and make sure people knew about. One is this is your right 531 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,599 right plan b Passport dot com. That's right, so people need to check 532 00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:07,599 that out. And that would be with what we were talking about earlier. 533 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,199 And you have a free twenty minute consultant that they can schedule a call there. 534 00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:15,280 And you also have like the said underground Cita, but you have a 535 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:21,800 YouTube page Katie and annas YouTube dot com slash Katie and Anna. Yes, 536 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,800 I didn't watch Toxic Ladies Saturday and whiten Chat, I have to admit, 537 00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:30,360 but I did learn about the price of passports and stuff from your other one, 538 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,119 the top five passport programs and citizenship by investment. That was kind of 539 00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:37,719 really educational for a real quick show that I've watched. Thank you. Yeah. 540 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,360 I started this YouTube channel very recently, less than months ago, and 541 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,280 I will make sure to fill it up with different content. All of that 542 00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:47,360 is going to be focused on self soover in ky So. I'll put some 543 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,239 of my martial arts training there. I'll take more about taxation in the US 544 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:58,760 and Canada. I will talk more about different citizenship options. Yeah, a 545 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,960 lot of stuff on selfsover. That's pretty much my idea and what I want 546 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,760 to talk about on my YouTube channel. And Plan B Passport is pretty much 547 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,239 separate brands from the company that I've been with for a while. But Plan 548 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:15,400 B Passport is separate brands for bitcoiners because I think that bitcointerers are not really 549 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:22,320 interested in like Montenegro and some European passports, but those that I listed on 550 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,360 Plan B Passport or tax haven'ts. So it's like really convenient passports for bitcoiners. 551 00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,840 Okay, now, is there anything you wanted to maybe go over that 552 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,519 we didn't cover. I want to make sure that we didn't miss out on 553 00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:37,079 something that there's something you really wanted the promoter go over. No, I 554 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:40,519 just want to say that underground sudatile dot com. It's going to be free 555 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:45,039 event, but you will get the address twelve hours pre or to the event 556 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:49,119 because we cannot talk of the record. It's going to be a lot of 557 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:53,639 very sensitive topics and I don't want anybody outside of the community to be present 558 00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:58,599 on there on this event. So just make sure to register the underground statile 559 00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,360 dot com and and I will send you the address twelve hours before the event. 560 00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:05,159 So sounds good. And if you forget that by seven chances remember going 561 00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:07,599 a bit block boom and there's a link there under tickets, but it's no 562 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,920 charge to go to that. I appreciate you coming on the show and just 563 00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:15,800 let you know you were officially a crypto cousin. Now thank you so much, 564 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,760 so we're now cousins in Crypto and I really do appreciate you coming on 565 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,400 the show, and you know, I look forward to meeting you in August. 566 00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:27,760 I think we're going to have a great time and I can't wait to 567 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,800 meet you and talk with you in person. I met there are a lot 568 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,440 of other people feel the same way. I'm extremely excited to be block bloom. 569 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,480 I really wanted to meet all the friends and online friends there, like 570 00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:39,039 it's going to be amazing. I'm sure. I think that's what people like 571 00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:43,760 about it so much, is that the people you can't meet anywhere else come 572 00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:45,119 be honest with I had a friend of mine said, I want to learn 573 00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:47,199 about bitcoin. Should I come to this? I was kind of going, 574 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,519 well, you know, if you don't even know what bitcoin is, this 575 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:52,440 might not be the conference for you. This might be a little over your 576 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,199 head. You know, this is for people who are hardcore. This isn't 577 00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:00,000 for people who want to learn what blockchain is. I actually have a question 578 00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:04,920 to you, what's the first big blog boom in February two thousand eighteen. 579 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,239 No, the first one was in August. Again, this is our third 580 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,000 year, so August twenty eighteen was the first one. It was like maybe 581 00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:15,559 the second week or first week of August, and so all of them have 582 00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:19,159 been This will be the third one. They've all been in August, and 583 00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,960 I think I think we did ours in August. The first one was August 584 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:29,199 twenty eighteen, and then maybe that next spring. Crypto twenty nineteen did their 585 00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:30,880 first one, well the first one in years, you know, they did 586 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,559 their first one, and so so it was working out pretty good because we 587 00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:38,079 kind of did the fall and they had in the spring, you know, 588 00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:40,320 fall of spring, so it worked out pretty good time because no one else 589 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,719 is doing it and one in the heat of the fall. So but you 590 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,280 know what, the coronavirus is. Stuff has happened. You know, Texas 591 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,559 is now opening up. You know, I think Friday all the stores can 592 00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:57,239 open and restaurants can start opening. So by August, you know, we 593 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,280 should be completely open. And this will be the first bitcoin conference almost of 594 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,199 the whole year. First once is February, so we should really have a 595 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,639 pat crowd. I think people right now are just kind of waiting to make 596 00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:09,119 sure it's going to happen. They're kind of hesitant now, but I think 597 00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:14,960 it's things open up because tickets were selling like gangbusters until the coronavirus happened and 598 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,360 then all of these conferences start shutting down, and I felt like it was 599 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,480 going to be good. By August. I can imagine this would go on 600 00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:22,400 that long, and I think I'm gonna be right by that. So I 601 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,719 think within the next couple of weeks. Now I'm going to start promoting again. 602 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,719 I don't want to be promoting felt like people would get pissed abous promoting 603 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,320 something really hard during the middle of bad times. But now I think it's 604 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,440 over. You know, we'll start promoting it. So I think sales, 605 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,880 so I think we'll have a full I think we'll sell out. Yeah, 606 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,119 I'm pretty sure. Actually, like it's a good sign that Texas started to 607 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,920 reopen it again. And yes, I'm pretty sure August is happening. It's 608 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,840 gonna be great. We all going to see each other and have a lot 609 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,000 of great time. And it's Texas. We need to go shoot guns. 610 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,519 And there was an event last year which I think they're doing again this year, 611 00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:59,400 which is at the gun range bitcoin and bullets. So they did that 612 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,760 last year and then they didn't promote it last year because they hadn't done it, 613 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,239 you know, and they had all these guns and stuff and they wanted 614 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,159 to make sure they could control everything. But I was told last year that 615 00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:13,119 they felt real good about it this year and they had found a local guy 616 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,880 who was a bitcoiner that was going to help get everything together this year. 617 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,400 So I think this year on maybe Thursday. They're supposed to be a big, 618 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,960 big coin and bullets event, but it's not on the site yet, 619 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,159 but it'll be coming soon. I'm in, but that's not so. Yeah, 620 00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:29,119 you gotta come here and shoot guns. Yeah. I got a new 621 00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:31,679 gun the other day. I bought my wife a semi automatic twenty two. 622 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,519 It's just something small and light that she could use for protection if she needed. 623 00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:37,960 And I posted it on a site, just a picture of it, 624 00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,599 and it got taken off the site. I was so weird. I said, 625 00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:43,800 you can't even post a picture of a gun. And they told me 626 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,480 that someone got scared. I said, by a picture of a gun? 627 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,599 What even anyone holding it? People were weird sometimes. Yeah, Hey, 628 00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:52,039 I appreciate you joining us, and like I said, I look forward to 629 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:54,679 meeting you again. Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, see you 630 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,920 and all this. 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