And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is at triangle. You
know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the randallsham Pars incident. It
doesn't involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over
our heads. Classic fly. He's also really standing into clearing. He turned
over to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes
and said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live show.
During the show, feel free to participate live in our chat room,
and don't forget to like us on our very active Facebook page. Hello and
welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willisher, host and I'm really excited about
my guest tonight. A lot of people are too. I've got some email.
It's actually gonna be all a handrow. He's going to be my guests,
and we're changing things up a little bit. Jordan Bonaparte from the nighttime
podcast up in Canada, Beautiful Podcast. We'll talk a little bit about that,
but he's filling in for the news, So I'm treating Alajandro like he's
any other guests on the show. He's going to have his own spot as
a guest and News with Jordan. I want to thank everyone for supporting the
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I want to thank everyone that supports the show. We absolutely could not
do it without you, and we do appreciate every listener, but the support
really helps us carry on. And I think that's enough for me and I
shall welcome our guest, Jordan. Welcome to the show, guest of honor.
Big shoes to fill, but I'm happy to be here. Yeah,
yeah, Hey. First of all, thank you for filling in kind of
short notice and problem. Also, like I said, I want to say
about your show, your podcast. I started listening to it recently. I
listened to it a little bit here and there, but the quality of that
show is just I don't know how much time you spend in the editing room,
but it's just a beautiful show and thank you doing a really nice job.
It's very interesting and it's not just UFOs, it's other other really fascinating
topics as well. So anyway, welcome, and do you want to you
sent me an email. I think or let's see, I think maybe I
saw on a Facebook you're going to be on a radio show as well.
Well. What it is is, my podcast got picked up by a company
called Chorus, which is a major Canadian television and radio conglomerate. I guess
they own a lot of major TV stations and radio stations. They picked up
my podcast to air. It's syndicated nationally now, so it's aired on radio
across Canada on Sunday nights and Saturday nights and most made your Cities and it's
kind of I don't know if many other if it's anything any similar arrangement has
happened with many other podcasts. But they're doing also they're using my podcast kind
of in collaboration with some of the TV shows that they air. So,
for example, Chorus, who's taken over my podcasts. They own the History
Channel, which is a big Canadian station. I don't know if he's have
it in the States, but they have, like they're doing the Project Blue
Book as that TV show, and they do Yeah, and they do Curse
of Oak Island, which is a major show here. So they're kind of
looking at ways to work on things basically with my show. In those shows
co promoting through the podcast and television, so it's it's gonna be cool.
I don't I don't really know what's going to happen with it yet, but
it's been going on for about a month or two and I don't know.
It's gonna be interesting. Great, great, So did you get any news
together for us? I have a few things, and I tried to kind
of stick with Canadian news, but sadly they're not a lot happens in ufology
in Canada. It seems the biggest thing recently was an article. And I
found this interesting because although the UFO event wasn't that spectacular, the news article
was mainly about the witnesses trouble reporting it and getting someone to take them seriously.
It happened in a small town called Sturgeon. It's in Prince Edward Island,
which is one of the smallest provinces in Canada. I'll just reach you
a brief excerpt from the news article. Basically, it says the witness his
name is Bruce, he knows the skies in his area. He's seen a
lot of satellites in the sky near his home. But this particular object was
not like any he'd seen before. Initially, his thought was that it was
a plane that he was looking at in the night sky, as the object
had flashing lights, But when it stopped dead in the sky and then shot
in a ninety degree angle towards his home and stopped again, he knew it
was something special. He watched it in the sky kind of moving around sporadically
like that for I think it was about four or five minutes until ultimately it
shot off basically into the night sky in the direction of Nova Scotia. Ryan
coincidentally, so he thought it was strange and something special. The next day
he had asked a few people basically at the coffee shop, did you see
the weird thing in the sky last night? And sure enough a few people
in his town did. He then, knowing it was something unique and special
and that he wasn't the only one who saw it, he decided to report
it. And that's kind of where the news article really got interesting. He
talked about contacting initially the Royal Canadian Air Force, they didn't take up seriously.
Next called Air Canada, which is a major airline, They hung up
on him. He called nav Canada also hung up on him, called the
RCMP and they told him it wasn't something that they deal with, So basically
he was left with no I guess mainstream avenue to report it. In the
article, he then went on to describe getting hooked up with Chris Ratkowski,
who's probably been on both of your shows or he runs Uphology Research, which
is a major Canadian civilian UFO investigation organization. Ended up, this witness found
a safe place with Chris and his crew and they took his information and I
believe they're investigating. But really, what I found interesting about that article was
it just shows how much trouble, like so many of us see these things,
But if you want to report it to someone other than basically a fringe
group like mouf on or whatnot, you really don't have very many avenues.
You know, some people wouldn't call them a fringe group, But I understand
what you mean, you know, fringe in in the normal world, I
would I would, you know, I would say definitely as far as that
goes. But yeah, I mean I when I had my sighting in two
thousand and six, I had no idea how to report. I never even
looked online. That never even occurred to me, and I made phone calls,
so I understand that, but people hanging up on him, that's pretty
discouraging. Yeah, And I don't mean fringe disrespectfully, but I'm just thinking
saying, like if you talk about like, let's say, if you see
my father who is a steel worker from small town Nova, Scotia, and
he sees it could be an alien spaceship that lands and they get out and
attack him, He's never going to know what moufund is or how to contact
them. He'll probably call the police and Air Canada I call it the police,
right, yeah, in fact, and they probably hang up on my
dad. So I guess we're in the know. So we're fortunate to know
about these different groups and have an avenue to go, but we're far from
the average person in terms of the you know, the UFO phenomenon. The
average person who sees something is not going to have a clue where to go.
And I thought this article. What I liked about it was it kind
of in a mainstream news source, which is the province's largest paper. It
kind of tells the story of what happens with a you know, an average
person when they see something. Yeah. Yeah, and well it's amazing because
most people would get hung up on once, you know, like I did.
Basically that was as far as I went, you know, I mean
I got I actually hung up on the dispatcher because they put me on hold
for twenty twenty minutes. Oh but you know, I mean I I just
was discouraged. And it's amazing this guy just kept going and trying different avenues,
yeah, and eventually found somewhere. So yeah, good for him.
But that was one that's probably the most recent piece of Canadian news. But
I think the big the big piece of news actually, I think is coming
out of the US. I don't want to pronounce it it's but I'm gonna
try. It's the Amami. Oh yeah, you're talking about the asteroid that
the the that's a Hawaiian name. Uh huh okay, Yeah, well,
Alejandro, I think could nail that a lot better than I could. I
call it the O period asteroid. Yeah, And I've just even today,
when I woke up this morning, I had already had two or three people
had messaged me on Twitter and stuff setting me the article about Yeah, the
Harvard researchers, who are who basically have a paper being published I think in
about a week's time. They're basically pleading a case that this could possibly be
intelligently controlled, this particular asteroid, and I think they're basing that on they
were watching or measuring its speed in velocity and distance as it passed by the
sun, and it appeared to either change course or gain speed, And I
guess the Harvard students paper is just going to plead the case that it could
potentially be of intelligent design. Yeah, because of the shape of it forty
meters by I think it's something like forty meters by four hundred meters and uh,
you know, sort of like a stick in a way. And I
think they said it might be read, which is interesting as well. But
also, yes, just traveling at sixty thousand miles an hour and not the
typical forty that you know that these objects usually travel. And I'm maybe off
a little bit on speed, but it's something like that. Yeah, it's
it's definitely interesting and it's cool to see some you know, some university students
who are doing some real work basically having an open enough mind to consider it.
I'll be interested to read their paper. Yeah, that's right. I
think in a way, I think, you know, the changing events of
December sixteenth last year with the New York Times article has kind of opened the
door for letting people be a little more comfortable and making this type of speculation.
And it is just a theory, it's just another theory. Yeah,
but it's it's still even if it's just a theory and it proved, and
even if it proves to be false, it's still interesting to go down that
road. Yeah, especially in an academic paper with you know, a scientific
the scientific techniques. You know, I think I find it cool. But
it's I heard it described as cigar shape, which I like. I always
enjoy people talking about a cigar shaped UFO. Yeah. And uh, and
it has portholes. No, I didn't hear. Yeah, I'm starting the
rumor. But anyway, Hey, Jordan, thank you so much. And
why don't you give out your website how people can find you. Yeah,
my show's Nighttime Podcast. You can just find me on Nighttime podcast dot com.
And I investigate Canadian mysteries, true crime and strange stories. And I've
had Martin and Alejandro on an episode I did about a UFO sighting in Clarenville,
Newfoundland. Yeah, that's happy to have us both. Yeah, great,
thanks for having me, Martin. I'm looking forward to listening to unla
andro talk. All Right. Hey, thanks a lot, my pleasure anytime.
Have a great night, all right, you two? All right?
All right, everyone. So our guest needs no introduction, mostly because he's
on almost every single show I app but anyway, he is a radio host,
a coach for Open Minds Radio. He's an editor for a writer for
Open Minds Magazine as well as deniv Geek. We'll talk a little bit about
that, because that's he's getting a lot of traction over there. He was
a spokes person for the Mute for a moufon and a director of public education,
on and on and on. And he's doing a great show too on
Thursday nights, a live show. We'll talk a little bit about that,
but I'm going to be asking him, hopefully some interesting questions and and he's
to night. He's got this professional suite he's working on. I just have
to do a little bit of adjusting on that. And Alejandro, welcome to
the show. Yeah, I'm just finishing something up, so if you can
give me like a five fifteen minute problem Youah, no problem, just kidding.
Yeah, thanks that aside for now. Yeah, thanks for thanks for
being on the show. My pleasure, thanks for having me. And this
is you know, I had someone slated for tonight. I had Ray Stanford
slated a few weeks ago. And then he goes, oh my god,
he goes, it's election night, midterm election night. So yeah, so
I asked you, and you're graceful enough. But of course I gave you
over a week's notice. But you were great, you know, to be
honest. And I don't know, I'm not even getting to talk about but
I'm sure it will still upset people because whenever you say the word in anything
about politics. But yeah, I'm kind of like my dad. My dad
is a big Denver broncos van, but he has a hard time watching the
games because he gets so worked up. And that's kind of how I feel
about the election. Yeah, I don't want to watch. I'm gonna check
in here and there because I don't want to get too worked up. Karen.
Of course my lady friend is getting all worked up. Yeah, yeah,
well, yeah, I totally understand that. I think I told you
I lived in Colorado, lived in a Boulder Area, Long Long Area.
And I remember I had a friend that was so into the Broncos. He
bought an orange pickup truck. He had everything orange. He was just crazy.
He made sure he had a golden retriever because it was orange. But
no, wow, yeah, I'm gonna tell a quick little election joke.
Okay, yeah, I don't think I've ever told a joke on my show,
so really so I don't. I can't even remember doing that. So
anyway, this guy was out canvassing, a politician who was out canvassing knocking
door to door trying to get some votes, um the other day. And
he knocks on this door and this kid answers, Well, the kid,
uh you know. The guy opens the door and the kid answers, and
he's like shocked and stepped back because the kids wearing his sister's brow in his
head, uh, lipstick smeared all over his face. He's he's drinking a
martini. He's about eight years old, drinking a martini and smoking a cigar.
And the guy, oh my god, oh my god. He goes
out, hey, are your parents home? And the kid says, what
the frick do you think? You don't get it are your parents home?
What the heck do you think? So they're not home? Of course,
I thought it was a funny joke. I can't believe do I have any
canned laugher a laughter anywhere. I think what's hilarious about that joke is that
you find it funny to meet makes it very funny. Oh good, good,
I'm glad to hear that. Well, hey, uh Bill, our
engineer uh of KGr A radio. At least he laughed, he said,
yeah, hell, but I think he's laughing as laughing with us. Yeah,
of all times. I mention a couple of games about what Jordan said.
Okay, sure, yeah. I agree with Jordan first that I think
that it's important that you know, move on. I think it's fringe,
and this topic is fringe, and I just always feel that it's important we
remember that because otherwise we make missteps, and then we also forget to kind
of thoroughly kind of explain the phenomenal or what we find, like literally and
and maybe fus trading for some we have to justify our interest in this phenomena
all the time because it is fringe. But the advantage of doing that is
that you're educating the people that you're talking to who do see it as fringe,
And I think that's it's just important for me to always remember that.
So I don't, you know, because we get to be uf a weirdo.
So when we forget that and we're talking about all this UFO stuff like
it's normal, and people are like, oh, you know, and we
got to remember well to make sure and we got to educate. And that's
what it's all about, really is when people kind of roll their eyes are
like, oh my gosh, the UFO stuff, I think it's just education.
For instance, my girlfriend's father, he was a colonel retired, a
colonel in the Air Force, and oh my gosh, of course he was
not excited about you know what I do. And but over time it's changed
because he's learned a lot more and at least now he recognizes that there is
a credible aspect and there are there's a community if people interested in the more
substantial information. Um. The other thing is I looked it up because it
is a great story, but it's oh muamua is how you say thanks?
Thanks? Hey? Someone in the chat room still waiting for my punchline.
Oh I know, so was I I cannot sympathize. I love that joke.
But anyway, that's okay, So, uh, listen, one thing
I don't think you well. First of all, before I go onto that,
I want to say, I agree with you, and the one thing
I don't um I agree with you sort of okay, But what is a
little bit that I would say they're not fringe is that when someone wants to
basically report something unidentified, that part of it, you know, it doesn't
say that it's from you know, another planet or something like that. So
I think there needs to be something out there where people can report something unidentified
also in that aspect. Yeah, yeah, and you know, that would
go a long way to making it not ringe. And you know, I
think that we've been saying this for a long time, is that it's irresponsible
of our government not to have an outlet like that. I mean, it's
ridiculous. I talked about one of the first cases that I investigated when I
was a build investigator was near my home, and it was this guy just
recently back from I RACK and he was a security He was a young guy
and working security at a bank kind of a campus. Because they had several
buildings. So he was walking in between buildings and he saw this object in
the air above one of the mountains. I can't remember. It's like the
big I can't believe if I forgot this in Denver. It's like the big
mountain with all the antennas on it, and someone a big landmark there in
the city west of town Lookout Mountain. I think it's called so And he
thought it was really strange, and he watched it and he was like very
hypersensitive to recognizing things that are odd in reporting them because he was just in
a battle situation, you know, a war zone. And he did his
rams, came back outside and it was still there, and he noticed how
close it was to commercial airlines, that they were on the same flight path
there. So he called a lot of different places. He called the FAA,
he called the airport, he called the news, and it was finally
maybe the news, I think it was that told him, hey, you
should try this group called Moufon, which is surprising that you know, anybody
would even think of that. So then he called Moufon and made his report.
We were the only ones to to take it seriously. But that's a
great example. This is someone who's trained to look for something that could pose
a threat in our airspace and he sees something, um, you know,
near commercial airlines and immediately raises a red flag and he thinks I have to
report this, and no one wanted to listen, and that is just ridiculous.
I called the FAA on that case and they said, oh, we
don't do that, call Bigelow or or New Fork, and of course I'm
like, well, I'm not reporting this. I'm trying to find out if
you had any other reports. And they did check their records, said they
didn't see anything. But it's it's just ridiculous that they wouldn't be concerned about,
you know, some object apparent aircraft in their airspace. That's um,
you know, that's precisely what I said too. Though. When I called
the police department in in uh Carmel or was it Monterey one of those places?
Was um, I asked, has anybody else reported this? You know,
has anybody else seen this? Because that's you know, I was kind
of curious if any right, And also I think I told you about I
had an amazing fireball sighting was just unbelievable from the hot tub. Yep,
good memory, both of them are not actually, But anyway, I called,
uh, you know P's Air Force base back then, which is Oilver,
you know, near the Betty and Barney Hill work, you know all
that in that area. Anyway, they they said, you know, they
don't take any type of reports like that, and I didn't know who to
call. I just didn't know it. Yeah, so yeah, and I
think that's the issue, and I think that you know, there's a lot
made. In fact, there was even a recent article that and I can't
remember who wrote it, and it was about a hit again, you know,
this government UFO program, and they were like, why was the government
investigating UFOs even though sightings are going down? And actually it was a great
article because it was talking about, well, there's other reasons that they would
look into it, and so it was very positive. And this was a
mainstream publication. But in my opinion, having looked at these numbers over the
years, it's not necessarily a factor of sightings going down. It's a factor
of mof ON and the other organization that receives sightings quite a bit new Fork,
not people not knowing they're there. There was a spike in about the
twenty fifteen sixteen period because of the television Hanger One, which was about mof
On and I noticed this in there, I know, because it's about well,
there was also a spike in in membership for mouf On, but that
has decreased as well along with the sighting reports as Hanger One has been off
the air and people forget that they even exist. So it's more a case
of awareness then necessarily, you know, the amount of a potential UFOs decreasing,
at least we cannot definitively say there is a decrease in potential UFOs in
my opinion, has since that since the article we were talking, you know,
during the news segment there about the Pentagon New York Times article. Do
you have any idea if anything has gone up since then as far as reporting,
so has that made any type of difference? You know what? That
is a really good question. But looking at the numbers, and I think
Cheryl Costa would be a great person to ask you, right for the Syracuse
New Times, and it's written a book about signing reports. But you know,
as the end of the year comes to a close, I'll be doing
another article where what I'll do is I grab at least a high end stats
to take a look at the monthly numbers and where they are and that sort
of thing, at least at casually looking at the numbers. I don't see
a big change. Also from reading Cheryl's articles every week, and I haven't
seen it her mention or change or seen it when she shows graphs and numbers,
So I don't think there has been a change. And that would make
sense in that the article did not mention Mouffon or new Fork, so it
didn't say, hey, people, if you want to report, here's where
to report. What would be interesting, though, is whether or not the
New York Times got an increase in citing reports. I would imagine they would
have, and or if the Pentagon or you know, the DoD I if
or Air Force received more reports. If they did, they would probably just
turn people away unfortunately. But we do have an example the Chicago Tribune when
they wrote about the O'Hare airport situation in two thousand and eight, where you
know, a disc shaped object was seen over one of the concourses there at
Chicago Hare Airport and it was seen by United Personnel, pilots and other people,
and the witnesses reported they sing, shot straight up through the sky and
poked a hole in the clouds. Even that stayed for a little while before
the whole closed. Well, the Chicago Troubune wrote about this, and the
author of that article was all over the place, And there's even this local
Chicago news report that he did where the video somehow got released before they went
on the air and during while they were on the air. But they're kind
of cross chat before they go on the air, and they're talking about just
how big the story was. It was the biggest story that he had the
paper I'd ever had, and they were getting flooded with reports. He said
that there are a lot of dubious reports from people say they're talking to aliens,
and I think the term he said is those went into my circular file.
But a lot of them were really credible, and you know, some
of those other reports could have been credible as well, if he but I
could see because it's fringe, you know, he doesn't want to look at
that. But they were inundated with UFO reports supposedly, so it's a good
point that that could be that could have happened. Yeah, I'm going to
continue this conversation we're at the break right now. We're so I will get
back to that as soon as we come back, because I have a question
in regards to that. So this is Martin Willis, my guest is Alijandro
Rojas, and we're going to be taking a break. Stay with us.
Clear three minutes, gentlemen, three minutes. Okay, thank you? All
right, So this part's still on YouTube. Do we talk about other stuff?
Yeah? So yes, can we say like bad words and stuff?
I haven't. I haven't figured that out. I don't know. I don't
really I have. I'm not really much of a cusser. Anyway. Well,
I was going to ask you to tell a joke because I'm gonna put
you in the hust Oh yeah, Oh my gosh, tell a joke.
I'm so terrible. Okay, I've got a joke that's kind of long.
Well we got three minutes, man, so okay, I think I could
get it. This is the only joke I ever remember, Captain Bravo.
I don't know if you've heard this one. So there's this Captain Bravo,
and you know this is during pirate times way back, I don't know,
fourteen hundred and fifteen hundreds and he's the captain of the ship, will say
an English ship or something, you know, and they're sailing, yeah,
the hard type of thing, and they see pirates. So down from the
crow's nest you hear Captain Bravo, Captain Bravo, there's a pirate ship on
the horizon. Captain Brabo says, bring me my red shirt. So they
bring him a red shirt. They take on these pirates and they take him.
Everybody's like, yeay, yay, Captain Bravo. Well few days pass
and down from the crow's nest comes Captain Bravo. Captain Bravo, three pirate
ships on the horizon. Captain Bravo says, first mate, grab me my
red shirt. And they take on the pirates and they actually win, and
everybody's like, oh yeah, Captain Bravo, you're amazing. And they tell
him why do you call for a red shirt every time before we go into
battle? And he says, well, you know, when I get hurt
and I'm bleeding, you don't notice because it's a red shirt, and you
think I'm invincible, and that makes you fight even harder. And they're like,
whoa Captain Bravo, So smart? So they're like, hey, Captain
Bravo. So a few days pass and down from the crow's nest they yelled,
Captain Bravo, Captain Bravo. Five pirate ships on the horizon. So
Captain Bravo yells, first mate, grab me my brown pants. Okay,
all right, I'm trying not to laugh. I was trying not to laugh,
but you couldn't do it. Yeah, yep, Bill, even we
even got laugh from the peanut gallery. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah,
it's my delivery. It must be my delivery and jokes. That's that's that's
yeah. I don't know how that one could be delivered. I could see
that one being in a cartoon. Yeah. Well it's like kind of curing
things in your head, you know, yeah, that type of thing.
It was a few break. Yeah, the next break I'm going to we're
going to be a fielding questions from the chat room. So anyone that's in
YouTube right now, I don't have a chance to go over to KGRA A
radio, but anyone that's in YouTube can put a question in the chat room
during our next break, and then of course we take we're going to take
calls after that as well. Sounds good, all right, Welcome back.
This is Martin Willis. My guest is Alejandro Rojas, and this is a
podcast UFO, So Alejandro. Before the break, we were talking about um
O'Hare and the report of getting all the reports um. I did have a
conversation via email with one other with the reporter involved at the New York Times.
I can't remember her name. She was one of the three that wrote
that. Not Leslie, not oh, not Leslie. Okay, now the
New York Times in house reporter. I believe she can't remember her name,
but she does some reporting on the Pentagon work. I believe that's that's what
her Her gig is at the New York Times. I think it's Barbara something.
But anyway, if it did Helene Cooper, Boy did I ever get
that wrong? It doesn't sound like Barbara anyway. I did have I have
an email exchange with her, and I think I'm going to revisit and send
her an email and ask her what has happened as far as reports. I
bet people are reported m And you know what would be interesting too, well,
an interview with her would be really interesting. She wouldn't. I did
try, because the end of question was, you know, I would love
to know is what she thought of the phenomena prior to the article and what
she thinks now, and also you know what she feels about the information.
So, for instance, what's interesting about the New York Times article is that
you have the videos and you have references to documents that two of the Stars
has also referenced, and Louise Elizondo, who used to work for the program,
also has referenced. However, so everybody assumed that to the Stars gave
the New York Times sees all of this material, but that's not true.
According to Leslie Kane, they actually had their own anonymous source from within the
Department of Defense that they received a lot of that material from. So there
was a lot of material that they vetted. So they saw a lot of
stuff. In fact, they saw a lot more stuff. For instance,
the New York Times did not release those documents. They still have them.
Um, yes, so she saw more stuff than they even were able to
release that. So she saw a lot of very credible information. That's true,
and there there was I did contact her and asked her if I could
possibly interview her, and she said, you know, she referred me to
Leslie and you know. Um and uh, I already said no, I've
talked to Leslie a number of times and would love to talk to you.
But anyway, Um, she was interviewed. They have the New York Times
Daily podcast and they did a whole segment on on that on the UFO story,
which was really really good. Um, it's a great podcast anyway,
but that that was just on that and mostly with her and um, you
know Lou Alexando was in it. Um. And it's up on my website.
Actually it's on podcast ufo dot com for anyone wants to check that out.
It's it's up there, um as a podcast. Uh. Anyone can
listen to it for free on there. So if the file is still good,
that is so all Jundra. One of the things I don't think a
lot of people have heard, basically the backstory of you, and that's what
I wanted to. You know, you and I always talk about UFOs and
space and interesting things like that, but as far as as far as you,
you know what started you. You mentioned your your your girlfriend's father,
so you had to take some turns, your interests in a journalism and all
that what made you decide to take the path that you did, and how
early on did you have an interest in this type of topic. I guess
I've always had an interest. Um. I like to say that, uh,
you know, living in Colorado, which I consider the south West,
if you buys Colorado, I don't know that they always consider themselves not like
Arizona here or New Mexico, where you know, they really embraced that being
part of the Southwest. But they are in parts of Colorado where Mexico.
In fact, when I was in college, I was president of the the
Hispanic Association out there, and a lot of our sayings for those of us
from the area was we didn't cross the borders. The border crossed us because
our families go back very many generations to where this area where our families are
from New Mexico and those areas you know, we're in Mexico, so in
that area it you know, I think it's really unique, especially and when
I was growing up in Denver, like all of the Mexican Americans were had
roots in the Valley San Luis Valley and New Mexico area. And what's unique
about it is it's a it's a melding of Native American and kind of and
you know, Mexican American, and so there's a lot of legends in the
area. I always heard about the legends in San Louise Valley. My grandma
had an interesting story about that. And of course Chris O'Brien is a researcher
who wrote The Mysterious Valley about the Sant Louise Valley. And so hearing these
stories and kind of both of those cultures, all of those cultures being open
to the paranormal, I was always interested, and so I kept an eye
on it. When I got into high school, I got into math and
science was was what interested me the most. Martin's leaving I really poured him
with this story, I guess, but I'm off camera, so so yeah,
okay, now it looks great. But so I got into math and
science, and I guess that's when I was kind of more of you know,
that's when I really adopted the philosophies behind science, and I guess the
pragmatism in a way, and I thought, you know, I need to
in a way be honor my ancestry in in giving the benefit of the doubt,
but then also needed to put it under its paces, put it into
in trying to, you know, be pragmatic about whether or not these phenomena
exists. And I've kind of gone back and forth, but you know,
what I've always felt is that even if you do take a scientific look at
all of this stuff, what you cannot do is disprove a lot of this
anecdotal information. And science anecdotal information is what kind of is the impetus to
science. We observe a phenomena, we theorize what might the phenomena might be.
We test those theories, and we come to conclusions or understandings about you
know, the natural world. And there are a lot of issues that I
believe are still outstanding. And I think that's what's fascinating. And especially when
I was, you know, in journalism, because I did change from wanting
to be a rocket scientist to wanting to be a journalist, and so I
was doing all kinds of journalists stuff in school and this is now college,
and I saw there was a lot of stories out there that weren't being shared.
And this was the nineties, and the nineties was kind of a a
bad time for UFOs. It was all the television shows ended with a debunking
where they totally debunked, you know, everything they had just told you.
And then it was shows, I think really UFO Files, which John Greenwald
helped produce some of the seasons there that stopped doing that and just showing the
information and letting people decide on their own. But those, I thought,
they are all of the television shows. A lot that's out there didn't include
some of the more interesting stories that there are, and there's so many,
so I just kind of had this compulsion to share these stories and to learn
more. In fact, when I really when the bug really bit me,
which was probably just after college, when I was a corporate trainer by that
time, I just, like, you know, for a period of time,
was like a hermit. I go home and read books, read books,
read books, read books about this topic and and and then eventually joined
move on as an investigator and then kind of came back to to what is
natural to me, which is sharing stories and writing about this stuff. So
so yeah, so, and even with muf ON at that point I became
part So yeah, it's the strangest thing. I've never seen anything like it.
As all of a sudden, it just froze there he is, He's
back I think he's back. Hello, Hello, do you have any idea
what happened? All? Hundre? No, you froze. I heard you,
and you're like, oh alajuandro froze, and I could hear you,
and so I uh, and then you froze soon after that, and then
it said there was a network problem. So um or you're back. And
I don't know because I'm so frazzled. I don't even remember what we were
talking about. So we were talking about kind of my background and interests in
this stuff. So I'm not sure if I got through that all before the
freezing. Yeah, I'm not quite sure. I think you were talking about,
you know, journalism and then you know, things unanswered and bits and
pieces. Yeah, so I guess I just, um yeah, I just
you know, came back to wanting to share that credible information and with muff
One eventually became their spokesperson and PR and director of education. This was by
the time actually about the time that we I was a director when Bigelow approached
mouf On to come up with that partnership, and which was a an extraordinary
opportunity for mouf On um and uh and and for this field. But Unfortunately
it didn't end up working out. But little did I know where the money
was coming from, right, actually coming from the government, coming from the
the government as uh, that was part of and we know this this is
confirmed. Well I've discussed it one on one with George Knapp who's confirmed it.
But I believe one of his articles has also confirmed that, which makes
sense. I mean, we uh, it was a safe assumption to make
because that was the same time they were receiving funding. But we did you
know, at least George or somebody had confirmed that, Yeah, that was
that program was part of the a tip funding or as APP or you know,
Pentagon funding. Now I had heard, you know, sort of controversial
things about that particular situation as far as Bigelow being able to um basically review
the files. So basically what was the details of that? So the details
and I love to straighten this out and that because it's unfortunate. I used
to term recently. Oh yeah, I was bragging about using this term on
my show with you, I think, and that was that in in the
UFO field, we tend to be really bad at eating our own and the
bigger to fish, the more we feast and certainly Bigelow is a big fish,
and people just attacked Bigelow, which is unfortunate because my experience has been
that him and his organization, and it's been George's George Knapp's experience. An
investigative journalists there in Las Vegas who's been close to to Bigelow, wrote the
book Hunt for the Skinwalker about their probably their most famous, you know investigation
that we also found out was funded by the government for the most part,
that really this is a genuine effort to investigate the phenomena. The terms of
the agreement were essentially, can you still hear me? Oh yeah, okay,
because I got a text from you, but I figured that was probably
that was a while ago, a while ago. But the terms were essentially
that Bigelow that a star team would be made that Bigelow would fund and this
was a rapid response team. So but it was with movef On, So
Bigelow would fund move On to create this so that there would be transparency and
move On would have control over everything which they did. This team then was
to very quickly respond when something would occur, which is exactly the sort of
thing move On would like to do. But didn't have the funds or the
resources to do so. Bigelow would then get information from these cases and all
the others, but no sooner than anyone else. For instance, all of
that information was posted online. I received that information myself. So it's that's
how this worked. And then Bigelow funded investigation and funded being able to analyze
the materials and information that was retrieved. So during this time there were times
where mouf On personnel just could not respond quickly enough, and protocol was that
mouf On was to get there first. They were the lead investigators. But
move On is full of volunteers. Most everybody has jobs, and they can't
just drop everything, kids, responsibilities, they can't drop any everything. And
I think I remember quickly correctly, there was a case where mouf On just
couldn't get there for like two weeks, and Bigelows people are like, we
can't wait that long, you know, we need to get out there now.
And somewhere along the line it was approved where Bigelow could go send their
organization could send people out there and to begin the investigation, and that has
caused some of the confusion. However, you know, I was in touch
with a guy who ran that program, Richard Lange, and in fact I
have interviews on my podcast with him about all of this. And my goal
was transparency. Nobody was going to the source to let Richard share, you
know, his aarience with it. And people said, oh, you know
Bigelow bought all this material and hit it. No, everyone had access to
that. In fact, you can find all of those biglowcases, the best
of the best and what they discovered in Open Minds magazine and even on our
website. We wrote about all of these cases in detail, and there were
some really good cases. There was, I know, a case in the
Navajo Nation where this you know, young woman was followed by this ORB and
there were some sort of effects. I can't remember the detail to that vehicle.
But there was another case, and I believe this was in the East
Coast, a similar sort of thing. A person seeing a UFO and their
car stopping and they got there and they were to measure an electromagnetic effect on
the vehicle. The owner of the vehicle was so freaked out about this he
sold the car. So there were a lot of great cases that we're a
result of these investigations, and and all of that material was shared with everyone.
So uh, you know, people claiming that oh, you know,
Biglow hoarded and hit information. That was not the case at all, and
I was able to confirm with everyone that that, you know, I had
the material in fact, when we printed that at open Mind, so stories,
people complain, well, why does Alejandro get that? Why did they
get a printing? By then, I wasn't officially a you know, part
of the leadership of mufon, but like they said, well, anybody could
have gotten this information, and in fact, you know, they shared that
with other people as well, so when they complained, they were like,
well do you want it? And they're like good, and so they you
know, gave them the stories too. So all of these reports, I
think we're even all online, but all you know, accessible for anyone,
and so you know, I, I know, people dispute that, and
there's all these legends and mythologies, but that's my firsthand experience had having witnessed
the whole thing. There also were complics within Moufon management regarding you know,
the program, and unfortunately, you know, that really kind of led to
the fall of the where the program just didn't work out. And it's partially
you know, I think that Bigelow was trying to take advantage of and bolster
an already existing network, and what they could have done is not done that
just gone with their own people. But MUFON already has boots on the ground
all over the country, so ideally it would make sense that that would work.
But Moufon is just a volunteer organization. And I think that's kind of
what made it most difficult is that, you know, it wasn't people who
can drop everything and go run and do these things. And uh, there
were people. There were territorial disputes. People can get um, pretty territorial
over what happens in their states, and um, so yeah, so there
were people who just were hesitant, and so it did all break down eventually,
and then rumors got started and and you know, uh, people were
sharing inaccurate information that you know, I knew better. I'll put it that
way. But it was unfortunate that we've got about four minutes to break How
did it actually and I have another question about that, but how did I
actually fall apart and crash? And actually, um, well, it was
these disputes, internal disputes with move on, uh, and then and it
was often over records because you Bigelow had an expectation over how the financial records
were kept, and and you know, there were kind of just difficulties in
that way because again, really I think in that aspect one would an organization
like move On probably and this is probably what should have happened, is they
should have hired maybe an accountant to oversee all of that. That probably would
have been wise, to make sure that it was all transparent and on the
up and up. But it was all resource issues. Move On just didn't
have the resources, just like always and people always, you know, that
was a big thing that I used to have to talk about when I was
doing pr for move On. Why does it move On do this? And
why doesn't move On do that? I would try to say, you know,
first of all, we don't have the resources we're stretched in for already
for what we do. And mostly you know, people are volunteering their time
the board for instance, all of those individuals have kicked in their own funds
period oddically to keep move On going. I can only imagine how some of
those long timers like Bob Wood's, how much money they put into it.
So it's it's you know, a volunteer thing. And so when you're you've
got this conflict between you know, more corporate type of structure and then this
volunteer organization, I think there's probably some sort of structure that needed to be
put in place that was more formal and probably more robust that kind of oversaw
things. Well, we got about just a couple of minutes to break.
But so if if Bob Bigelow was actually at that time funded or backfunded from
the Pentagon or whatever whatever program it was, how far back were they standing,
in other words, up were they getting all the information or did they
required as far as you know, required to get the information or of any
you know, important cases, or do they essentially one other question, does
anyone from the government actually get involved directly boots on the ground with any of
the cases that you're aware of? Oh no, nobody, I don't think,
because that was a well hidden secret that there was any government involvement at
all. So there was definitely no boots on the ground. In fact,
a lot of people who were involved with Bigelow at the time overseeing this on
the Bigelow side, were not even aware of government involvement until this last December
Wow Yeah, isn't that crazy? Yeah? And do you know we have
just one minute here to go. But do you know if the government actually
took any interest in certain cases and you know, almost like blue Book in
a way, you know, it seems like they still had like a just
you know, deniability set up, but still they had a curiosity. It
sounds like, yeah, and we don't know any of that. So unfortunately,
even Alexandro can't share that information. The only thing, the only case
that they've shared that they had an interest in, is the Nimits one they've
released, of course, a couple of other videos, and at least one
of those we know a little bit, or at least think we know a
little bit about its origins. And I can't remember the details right now,
but very little information about what the government took an interest in has been released.
Wow. Interesting. All right, So we are ready to go to
break of. This is Martin Willis. My guest is Alejandro Rojas, and
we'll be right back right after these messages. Alejandro, I have some questions
or I have a question. Actually Kerry wrote this question here as a journalist.
Do you think that mainstream media and corporations like NASA are controlled by higher
authority on output is gets out to the public not at all. I used
to think that perhaps there was some at some level, but this has been
a real interest of mine. So when I interviewed journalists and people in the
media or have been involved, and I have been especially lately involved with a
lot of NASA stories, I've been to a lot of facilities, I've interviewed
several astronauts. In fact, I just released an article with an interview with
an astronaut just this last week, and I haven't found any of that.
What I found is actually makes me more frustrated about the conspiracies because what I
find when it comes to journalists and especially with NASA, is that you have
very people who for the most part, have very altruistic intentions about what they
do. Most journalists, because it's not easy and it doesn't always pay a
lot of money, Most journalists are passionate about getting information out, and most
do their best to get that information out in an unbiased manner. And they
certainly because your job and your access to information is dependent upon it getting it
out accurately. Because it's hard for someone to get punished for putting out accurate
information it's the opposite that can really get you in trouble because all of your
competitors are keeping an eye on you. With NASA, these people have their
major concern is the public dollar and safety and taking care of those astronauts and
getting them there and back again in a safe manner. And when it comes
to unmanned missions, to make sure that that public dollar is not misspent.
That that you know, ten million dollar instrument they're sending into space is the
people get their money's worse. And I think anybody who would visit a facility
and talk with these individuals would feel that way. And you can't really get
as much a sense of that unless you go visit these places and talk with
these people. And a lot of NASA facilities you can go and visit these
people and talk with them. I am a huge fan of NASA personnel and
of journalists, and every journalist I've talked to, for instance, least Biegel
Leaspiegel wrote worked for the Huffington Post. He wrote whatever UFO story he wanted.
Sometimes they would argue over headlines, and I got to write. I
got to write any UFO story I wanted. All right, Welcome back everyone,
This is Martin Willis with podcast UFO. My guest is Alejandro Rojas and
he was just in the middle of something during break and I don't know if
you want to continue that or kind of ease the h the listening audience into
that, or if you want to move on to something else. Let's best
for you all, Drew, I don't know what's up to you. I
guess your show. What do you think it's interesting? Well, it's all
interesting. I think you are kind of capping, kind of capping that.
Yeah, I guess. I was just talking about in this case, especially
what I was finishing off was journalism. Do I feel that journalism is manipulated
by the you know, the powers that be? And from my experience and
from my experience interviewing other people in journalism and the media, that has not
been the case. I've interviewed moviemakers, I've interviewed investigative journalists, not only
George Knapp, but there's like least Biegel, Leslie Kane, but there's others
in the mainstream and for the most part, there is a lot of freedom
that you know, especial fullly in today's world where a lot of journalism is
freelance. You go find your story and you write your story. And my
experience with Havington Post, for example, even with Lee, we were never
denied to writing a story about UFOs or aliens, especially as long as we,
you know, were credible and we had a reputation to uphold and a
reputation that the information was solid because it would be checked. I even wrote
about Colonel Halt, who was the highest ranking officer at randallshom Forrest in nineteen
eighty when they all saw UFO, and Colonel Halt had told me he believed
that his men might have been drugged by you know, other agents in the
Air Force that he was not aware of. That they could have come on
base debrief some of his guys even used like sodium pentethal and then left and
he would not have been aware, made aware, and he believed that did
occur. So that's some pretty hot stuff. In fact, what's funny about
that is we tried to write a press release on this about Colonel Hall coming
to a UFO congress to talk about this, and the press release company wouldn't
release the press release because they thought, whoa, this is too much.
They didn't listen to my sources, because I had him on record, you
know, on tape saying this, but no media outlet had denied that information.
So surprisingly, you know, it has not been my experience, and
I would ask anybody to go talk to a journalist, especially at these conferences
where you have like Bryce Zabel, who worked on the TV show Dark Skies
he created it, and some of these others. Those are the type of
shows that we would assume would have some sort of manipulation. Now, he
does have a couple of interesting stories where you know, maybe somebody tried to
kind of frighten him and he doesn't know where these people came from. So
there are some interesting stories out there like that, but nothing from like an
editor or a manager or a producer saying, hey, you can't do that,
don't talk about that. Nothing like that interesting. We have someone in
the child room just asked a question wondering, have you yourself The guy's name's
Plower. I think it is, have you yourself had any type of paranormal
experience. I've had a couple of UFO sidings, and but that's about all.
I feel like I'm forgetting something. I think, for instance, I
thought you told me about I might be confusing you with someone else, but
a shadow person or something something strange in a hotel. I am, no,
that wasn't me. Yeah, but because I've done a lot of ghost
hunting, and you know, at first, you go and you're kind of
freaked out, and you're like, oh my gosh, this is gonna be
so fun. We're gonna get something cool. But the more and more I
did it, it was like I wanted an experience and I was no longer
frightened. And my cousin used to tease me because we would go to a
haunted place and I would want to know or where's the most activity, and
I would go shooting off towards there where everybody's like, I'm not going there,
But that's exactly where I wanted to be because I wanted to have an
experience. But I didn't. That doesn't to mean mean that it doesn't exist.
It just means for whatever reason I didn't. For instance, you know,
people talk about Skinwalker Ranch and George Knapp had talked about how they put
him in the scariest location and did all this stuff that usually brings in phenomena
because they were hoping to capture something and nothing happened. And the way George
or John Alexander, retired Army colonel who was involved in that investigation puts it,
as you know, over a period of time, let's say three years,
even if you have you know, dozens of experiences, two dozen different
experiences that have happened, that's only twenty four days over a span of maybe
six hundred days. So the odds of you any day coming and having an
experience is pretty pretty small. It's just basically the same thing as UFO sightings.
I mean, yeah, they're so elusive. Yeah, and how do
you have sightings? People ask how do I have sightings? My answers always
go outside and spend time skywatching. And that's why I think eventually I was
a UFO investigator with mouf On for five or six years before I had my
first what I felt was a UFO sighting, and I have spent a lot
of time watching the night sky. In fact, Bill was just talking about
how Mark D'Antonio was in town, the mouf On photo and video expert,
and we were doing a lot of astrophotography out there taking pictures of the skis.
While we're out there doing skywatches. So it's a lot of time out
there watching the sky. You see satellites, you see rockets. You learned
so much, and once in a great, great, great while, maybe
you'll see something really odd that just defies explanation. Now, didn't you write
an article about astronomers and UFOs. I do have an article about that,
and that's going to be one of my talks at the Alien Con, which
is just this weekend. I'll be headed out there in a couple of days,
right. And I love this article because or this this lecture. It
really justifies it shows. I use a lot of Sess shaw Stack in this,
and I even kind of use his own words against him, which is
I love and I love sat and that's why I like using him in it.
He has a lot of great things to say, but he's terrible when
it comes to UFOs. You've talked to him before, you've had him on
the show, and he doesn't really do with due diligence into looking into it,
and he just doesn't put any credence in UFO sightings. And when I
met him, I told him, you know, I asked him about credible
sightings and stuff, and he wouldn't really talk about individual cases. He just
said if UFOs, if there's something out there, astronomers would be into it.
And I was like, there are astronomers out there. And that was
about the end of our conversation. But I was like, I'm gonna make
sure I'm prepared to answer that question if that comes up again, and if
I get to talk to him. So I did a lecture. Not only
have they are hasn't been shown and there's been studies that astronomers are just as
fascinated, they have just as many sightings as anyone else, but also they're
the ones who started all of this. The grandfather of modern uphology is doctor
j Alan Heinek, an astronomer who worked for the Air Force investigating He thought
they were ridiculous, but then he came to see, wow, there's a
lot of credible sightings. In nineteen fifty two, Grupelt he wrote a book
about this. Colonel Rupelt, who was in charge of Project Blue Book.
He was tasked at the end of Project Grudge at prior to Project Blue Book
the UFO study, to go see what's going on with this UFO stuff.
And they were kind of trying to get out of the UFO business. But
a bunch of things happened, including Washington nineteen fifty two siding, but also
this Life magazine article, and in this article a couple of the most famous
astronomers at the time talked about their UFO sidings and how they believe that we
are being visited and that essentially was responsible for Project Blue Book starting up,
and that it created so much public interest. We have Peter Struck who's written
a book and he interviewed a bunch of astronomers, so we have a whole
history here. And more recently we have stories like Jordan talked about Project Or
that this Omuamua object, that it's the first interstellar object to come into our
solar system and then leave, and there's a lot of mysterious things about it.
It moves very strangely. They think this is probably because of radiation from
the Sun. But in this recent Harvard study that people are writing a lot
about in the last couple of days and that is actually getting published in a
science journal on the sixteenth, they say that if that's true, the material
that the thing is made of is something that we do not understand because it
doesn't move the way it should. So this whatever it's made out of is
really weird. And then he goes on to speculate that perhaps it was sent
here by aliens. Perhaps it's a solar sale being pushed by the heat of
the Sun to come in and kind of check out all these different solar systems.
And so it's interesting about that, and we have other instances of this
more recently, is the astronomers themselves are going to the alien answer. You
know, they're they're pulling the Georgio two cuculos and they're saying, this might
be aliens, and you know what it might be. One sad part with
ol Muamu is it's now gone too far away. There's no way even if
we wanted to go out there and check it out to see what it's made
of, there's no way we'll be able to catch it. We just don't
have a craft that can get to it and get back. So we may
never find out what's up with that. But did they have any you know
how, a lot of times they can project when something is going to cycle
through. If this is actually going, you know, out of the solar
system, there's probably no way at all they can understand any type of cycle
with that exactly they came in. They were able through um, you know,
scientific or mathematical equations, kind of figure out the general area and three
solar systems that might have come from which are very very far away. And
then the Sun did pull it around, and then it flew back out in
another direction. But now it's headed straight away from us. Um, there's
no indication that it'll ever be back, and even if it was, it
would we're going to be long gone at least you and I maybe so maybe
the whole planet. So yeah, so it's just coming gone, and that
is really fascinating. We have the lines open if anyone wants to call in
a lot of times people have told me they would love to ask alle hundred
question. Now's your chance. That numbers up on the screen on YouTube is
six O three nine six seven four h three. That phone numbers only live
during the show's only so people call off. Have you ever had anybody do
this on the show? Damn yet, epsiicola whatever it is in doing that,
think so. Another question that came in in a hypothetical scenario where a
respected scientist had an abduction experience that Travis what science had the abduction experience?
Of Travis Walton and Derd how much of an influence would you think this would
have within the scientific community on a serious study of the subject. In other
words, of a scientist himself had a Travis Walton type of an experience that
really has to do with the personality of the person based. I think that's
a great question, and it could even speak to who is having experiences.
And Travis Walton, for instance, to someone he lived out in Arizona.
You know, he's become friend. But you know, I always take a
skeptical look at everything. But um, I've talked with and interviewed I think
pretty much more of the witnesses than any journalist has because we've talked to the
first police officer I've talked to. And it's also partially you know Karen,
she worked on Travis's last conference and she found witnesses that hadn't spoken before,
and they came out to the conference, then came to the conference our the
UFO Congress. His every one of full a joke. It's freezing up her.
Yeah, it froze again. We have a caller on the line.
Can you hear me call her? Yes? Here? Okay, Um,
sorry, Alejandro froze up. I don't know what's going on this second time
this has happened. So we can talk for a minute until he comes back.
UM So, uh, you did you have a question specifically for him
or in general? It's a it's a question just all around for both of
you. All right, Well, I'll take it until we get him back
on. All right, I'm at from South Carolina, but I meant to
ask you. I'm sorry that. Welcome to the show, and uh and
thanks for thanks for the call. Um, so I go ahead, and
what what if your and Alejandro's take on Corey Good and David Wilcock and they're
some of their accusations and Corey Good, Um, I think he copyrighted the
term secret space program or something like that. Right. Uh, yeah,
you know, I hear a lot of controversy. I just don't know enough
about it. I'm not I'm not following you know, basically his circle in
particular. Um So, I don't really you know, Alejandro would probably have
some more feedback on that, you know, the secret space program. Am
I'm not really sure. I'm kind of on defense about that one in particular
myself. Um, but what are your thoughts on it seems like it's something
you're looking into. I just think it's all a little shaghazy. Um,
Like Corey Good it's that I think calls them the Blue Avians Aviens or something
alien people or Blue Avian people something like that. It's just it's just a
little too phaghazy for me. I think it's, you know, more,
instead of being down for the truth and you know, trying to expose the
truth, they're you know, down for more of a like a cult following.
You know. Uh it you know it does work. It definitely does
work um for some people. Um, and they do have an amazing followings
and somehow it maybe there may be some financial benefits to it. I don't
know how that works. Um, But yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't
mean the REP. I know they're I know they're a pretty kine with the
fade to Black Jimmie Church crowd and you know, all that type of stuff.
It's funny I saw a posting about that. Um, I guess he's
been on there seven times or something like that. So yes, yeah,
so that, uh, there is something to that, you know, I
mean, um, you know it's it's maybe um for that particular reason.
Um, there's a lot of listeners. You know. For instance, I
know if um you know Stephen Greer, are certain people like that are on
some type of show on YouTube. Um, it gets a lot of use,
there's a lot of action. Um, so I'm sure in my opinion,
So go ahead, Oh go ahead, I'm in my in my opinion,
the best the best researcher out there right now is Richard Dolan's top Knock.
Yeah. Yeah, I've had Richard on UM a while ago. Out
it seems to know. Someone just wrote me and said I haven't actually been
following him, but that he has branched out into other things? Is that?
Are you aware of that? Um? I watched his live stream,
you know whenever whenever I get the message for it. Um, I'm not.
I'm not too too familiar. What else he's brands down into. Um,
everything I've watched is still you know UFO UFO related. I see.
Uh now I know, UM, you know, I I consider him.
You know, he's very intelligent, he's really a good speaker. UM.
I've met him a few times and uh he was on my show one time,
and uh it does you know there are a lot of he does have
a very strong following. Um. He also is interested in uh you know,
producing books too, right, he has a he has a publishing company
of some kind, yes, sir, yes, sir. Interesting. Yeah,
I'm big fan of Richard Dolan. Um, Peter Ian Venda. Um,
he's he's pretty good. Um, The Girl Years, the I'm not
too big a fan of Greer Um the John Lears. You have to take
what he says with a grain of salt. I think I think half of
what he says is truthful, with the other half is distiller, you know.
Um. But yeah, there's definitely some characters in the in the in
the ufology department. Yeah, Um, you know it is. There's just
you know, realistically, there's just a very small portion of the public that
has an interest in this. This is just a little, tiny, tiny
fragment um of the public that has an interest in this, which I think
I do get that. But if you know, if the discovery is that
there is other intelligent life out there, I think, um, I think
there would be. Well, I personally think it's would be the most amazing
thing of our lifetime. Um. But yeah, I just think a lot
more people would get involved in it. I think they actually thought there was
something to it. Yeah, I would just love before his before his time
ends, I would love for buzz altern to come clean and let us know
what what the hell really went on on the moon. I would love that.
That would be I mean, Haley wouldn't have anything to lose. I
think Buzz is Buzzes. I've now. I don't know for sure, and
I don't want to start any rumors, but I understand his health is not
so good, and I don't know really much more about it. But I
just had heard a few people have told me that, but I don't have
any firsthand, you know, comments, so that hopefully he's doing okay.
Yeah, I would love for him to come clean or um, George Bush
Senior, I would like I mean, his days, you know, aren't
you know too? You know, he doesn't have too much time left probably
and him being head of you know, the CIA and a former president,
he's gotten to know what's going on. I would I would love for one
of those two to come clean and let us know what's really happening. Hang
on just a minute, hang on, Matt, just one second here,
Caller, is that with that happened to be Alejandro Caller? We haven't.
No, it's not all okay, No, well do you drop again?
Yeah, I've been trying to get him back on UM. So Matt,
I'll say goodbye to you and I'll take this call, and hopefully I'm going
to try to get to all one hundred to actually call the number here and
get him on the phone at least. But Matt, thanks so much for
the call. Sounds good. I love to show Barbara. All right,
take care. So new caller, what's your name and where are you calling
from? My name is Jay and I'm calling from Oklahoma, Hija. Welcome
to the show, and i'd like to tell everyone I am no longer a
believers. I am now a no. I've been transformed into a nowhere.
Oh wow, I've had I had an experience. Actually last year I was
hoping Alejandro would be on the line because it was I was in his neck
of the woods. I was living out in Scottsdale and North Scottdale, Arizona,
which is fairly we have some pretty good night skies, and I kind
of wanted to get a little bit different, a little bit different angle before
I tell you my entire story. It was kind of interesting. We were
eating dinner outside because you know, Arizona is nice. And it was in
August at twenty seventeen, and I was sitting there with my girlfriend and I
said, I really want to see something definitive, because you know, we
were we'd see satellites and we would see lights open up and little dusts go
through them. And I said, I wanted to see something definitive. So
I put that energy out there. I wanted to see something definitives for a
change. And I'm a I'm a former military aviator, and so was my
girlfriend. And so we have what twenty years of observation in the sky,
okay, so we're not just some somebody that walked outside and looked up.
We know what we know what lies around at least from the earth. So
about two hours later, it's dark and we're kind of being lazy and didn't
want to lose our night vision, and we're pointing around the night sky and
I said, okay, well we'll call this area two stars so we could
call out satellites to each other and the events. And we looked right over
at an Terry's and I said, and we're both looking at the same spot,
and I said, we'll call that, and then we see this humongous
disc and it was kind of a tear dropped at the end at the backside
of it, and it basically still there. Ye oh yeah, I'm listening.
Oh yeah, sorry, okay, yeah, sorry, yes, And
we see this enormous light and we could actually see detail on it, and
then it basically we're about the length of my finger holding it up into the
sky, so it must have been really high in orbit, and it basically
either went to warp or it looked more like it went to warp from I
hate to use the analogy to Star Trek, but basically we saw the shimmering
and then it disappeared in a solid line. So in other words, it's
almost like a line opened up in the whole craft went went through that line.
It was absolutely amazing. And did you see that? Just that I
saw it, so I had I had, you know, when we're both
educated, not that that really matters, but we're both saying adults, and
it was absolutely amazing. How far would you think it was from you?
I would say it was in orbit. It had to be absolutely enormous,
So this was That's that's the impression I got, and any other witnesses,
yes, one other. And did you actually file a report? I actually
filed it with Alejandrow Oh okay, all right, but actually I didn't receive
a follow up or anything. And I don't remember when I actually went right
inside and wrote up the whole thing so I would have it. And that
was it actually happened in August sixteen of twenty seventeen. Wow. Wow,
that's really interesting. And so do you think it actually change shape or do
you think it just actually took off? I think I think it took off
or went to it. I got the impression that it went through a portal,
it sped up, and it was enormous and I'd have to find get
one of my math guys to do it because it was about the size.
I would say it was seventy five percent of a full moon the size of
it, and it looked way up in the sky. But it was huge
from our vantage point, and it was big. It was just at nighttime
time. What time of the day was it. It was about about nine
pm? Impm? Okay, um, wow, that's really fascinating. Um.
And it was a great experience. Yeah. How about noise? Was
there any noise factor that you're aware of none. None, and it could
have been too far away also, you know, I mean that's another you
know, alternative. But well, I got the impression that it was very
far away. I mean I got the impression that it was that it was
in the orbit. That's kind of my impression that I got right there.
So I've got this impression and it was enormous. It's almost like it's almost
we kind of discussed it after where we're like it almost felt like we were
being teased, you know, like, oh, hey, here, look
it up, now you're a believer. I got my defensitive answer. Wow,
And it was absolutely amazing. Yeah. And this is actually the first
time I've shared it outside of that experience. So and writing it to Calejandro.
Wow. Hopefully he's listening. Um, well, I don't know,
I'm hello, hello, Oh there he is. How do you go back?
Wow? Yeah, sorry about that. Um, I've never Yeah,
my internet just had gone down and I had to restrict the router and uh,
I actually haven't experienced that here before, but it happens. Um,
we actually have a caller on the line. He was telling me a story
he actually sent you. Do you want to know? And do not repeat
the story completely, But do you want to say hid He's back. Hello,
Alejandro, my name's Jay. I'm actually from Oklahoma, but I was
living out in Arizona in Scottsdale last year and I sent my report into you.
I didn't receive I don't think I received anything from you, And doesn't
mean you didn't get it, because I'm sure you get quite a few all
the time. However, it was right up north Scottsdale, right there in
Cape Creek by the boulders, which I'm sure you could look around and find
that location. But I saw something. That's the night I became a belief.
I became a knowher instead of a believer. In UFOs, I saw
something absolutely amazing up there, and it was very high in the sky and
really changed my whole outlook on it on because it was it was so high
up in the sky it went about the length of my finger. So if
you do the math and it say it was seventy five percent the side of
a full moon, it would have to be absolutely enormous. And the detail
on the craft we could see it was basically rounded in front and the backside,
the back end it was it was basically it was round and looked round
and flat, but the backside of it was almost like Batman. It kind
of came down to a point, then went up into the craft, and
then came down into a point in the middle, and then came down into
what's the best that It's hard to really describe that shape, and I could
send you a photo or something, or sending you a drawing of it.
However, once it disappeared in the solid line, I mean it basically,
it's almost like it flew behind a door, and so you would see you
would see the whole craft disappear in that line, and it was shimmering on
the side, shimmering in front of it, and we saw it. I
would say it lasted about a second and a half, but both of us
were looking in that same spot because we were we were actually mapping the night
sky towards satellites, and we were just putting random names to the different consolation.
Wow. So yeah, I apologize if I didn't respond or anything.
I only am able to respond to a fraction of my emails. Unfortunately,
I would need, I think, to hire someone full time to go through
all of them. But what's interesting about your story and what I mean,
I've got Skinwalker on the mind so much, especially with Jeremy Corbell's movie,
and the way you describe it, you know, like going behind the door,
behind the line is sort of similar to something they described there, where
they felt they were seeing like a hole in this guy to another dimension.
And what's interesting I'm finding these days is that scientists, surprisingly because they can
be kind of odd, but because there's all this talk in science around multiple
dimensions and other dimensions, scientists seemed more readily able to accept the idea that
we're seeing somehow holes between our dimension and others. And they feel it seems
like many of them like that idea better than the extra terrestrial answer, and
sightings like yours, you know, are kind of the reason that they believe
that. Interesting. Well, I think you missed a part that I told
that I'd already spoken that I set out because we'd been we'd seen some things
in the night sky and some orbs in the house, that kind of thing,
and and this was probably about our fourth occurrence. But I kind of
missed them, missed some of the other ones I would see just a look
over a little bit too late. But I actually set out why it was
still bright. We were reading dinner outside out in the backyard, you know,
like people do in Arizona, and I said to my girlfriend, I
said, I want to see something definitive. I put it out there,
I put my intention and I want to see something definitive. And then a
couple hours later my wish was ed. And so I don't know, this
might be more of a lendable in the heal thing, but it's it's putting
that intention out there, and it's not like this overwhelming desire to have that
experience. But I've been into bufology throughout the years off and on, and
I would say I'm fairly well versed and hit it. And I'm former military
aviator, so as my girlfriend, and so we know what we know what
aircraft look like that are at least known to the public. So we're not
just some let somebody going oh my god, I saw some you know it's
it's it's from Mars or something. So that's interesting. Now I have one
of my sightings. We did do at like a CCT type of protocol where
we're intentioning sending intention down. However, the majority of skywatches I've gone to
with other UFO people, people have sent intentions out and the majority there isn't
something. However, one interesting sighting I did have was with a friend.
She came in to move on and she became a really good friend of mine.
But she said I see these white orbs all the time, and I
was like, you know. We were all like yeah, sure, but
I took her seriously because she seemed really intelligent and we kind of hit it
off. She was really funny, and so she's like, we'll come on
over and we'll hang out and we'll see I'll show you if you know,
we could SkyWatch, but she didn't SkyWatch like the rest of us. You
know, you SkyWatch, you go outside and you watch the sky. No,
she wanted to talk and we hung out and she were just talked about
UFOs and stuff, and she's like, we should go outside, and I'm
like really, and she's like yeah, I kind of get a feeling and
I'm like all right. So we go outside and it's we sit down on
these loungers that she has. It's probably ten minutes before she's like, look,
there's one over there. And there was, you know, one of
these It was like a little white light during the day and it faded out,
it reappeared somewhere else, it kind of moved and then faded out again,
which was similar to what she had videotaped. And she just seemed to
be one of those people that and she felt she had other experiences. And
at the time I was really skeptical with people who felt they had alien experiences,
but especially being part of move On, I had more and more people
come up and say, you know, and they're very timid, and luckily
they felt comfortable enough to share that with me their experience. And then I
became friends with doctor Leo Sprinkle, and sometimes i'd take people out there.
He was the only one I really trusted because he was an actual, you
know, PhD. And he worked at a university as part part of a
he headed up part of the psychology department. And I don't know, even
to this day, I don't know what to make of that stuff, but
it really opened my mind to who knows. There's a lot of people that
report, and a lot of people say this, it's absolutely ridiculous that a
lot of people report seeing something off in the far distance and as soon as
they see it, it moves towards them, and you know, people especially
scientific minded, even in this field, are like, that's ridiculous. There's
no way they could have had an effect. But why not? I mean,
you know, I love the Arthur C. Clark saying, you know,
any sufficiently advanced technology is going to look like magic to those who don't
understand it. And so just because we don't understand it doesn't mean it's not
possible that somehow, you know, by sending our intentions or attention in a
certain direction, doesn't have an effect on something that we're observing. So yeah,
I don't know, it's it's really interesting. Thanks for calling in.
I apologize I wasn't able to get back to you, but it's fascinating.
Sign. I love the show and I love I love following both of your
activities. All right, thank you, yeah, thanks again for the call.
All right, sure, all right, bye. So we do have
the line open. That's up on the screen on YouTube. Anyone can call
six oh three nine seven four h three zero. Someone else had called in
earlier. We chatted for a bit Matt from uh I think was North Carolina.
I believe anyway, he wanted to know what your thoughts were on Corey
Good. But we really don't have to go there unless you wanted to talk
about that otherwise. I do have another question that came in. I'll just
very quickly say I still find it dubious. I don't see any I personally
don't find I see anything really substantial that that proves that story to me,
And there are at least one red flag in that the marketing aspect of his
website and everything. I just personally it doesn't seem like if we really had
a whistleblower, would they have this you know, polished kind of website up
with all this information and have this whole marketing engine rolling that to me doesn't
sound but I don't know, Well, that's a really good point that makes
I never thought of that, But yeah, absolutely that that kind of goes
totally against the grain of anyone that would be supposedly, you know, secretly
coming out for sure. All right. The question that came in from a
Kerry again is do you think the public's reaction would be blase to a major
announcement regarding extraterrestrial life as we seem to have such a short attention span these
days. Probably, And I think that, you know, lou Elisando,
it feels that he ut was the harbinger of disclosure. He believes that disclosure
happened when that New York Times story came out and which is mostly based on
largely based on what he said, but like I said, there were other
sources, so other people had come out too. He feels that was disclosure
of what the government has done and knows about UFOs, and I don't know
if that's true. He even admits that it's possible that there were things going
on he was not aware of, but he doesn't think so, just because
of all the pushback he got, which kind of fits along the lines of
John Alexander, the colonel from the Army who says he really looked for Where's
the secret project and didn't find any He looked before Alexando's program. But at
the same time, you know, Alexander interfaced with Bigelow and helped Biglow establish
a lot of his investigations. And Alexander didn't know about this Pentagon program until
December and he shared that with me on my podcast, So he was an
insider and he didn't know. So that's an example. There could be something
they didn't know, but the fact remains that that that's it's a pretty major
disclosure that the government had this secret program where they spent ten to million dollars
investigating UFOs and the paranormal and that part hasn't even really sunk in with people,
and people are like, oh interesting. I mean, even the people
I share all the details with, you know, in the general public,
are like, that makes sense, you know, And so they do seem
to be pretty blase about that aspect. And a lot of these people are
assuming that means the government was investigating aliens. Now, Alesandre says, no,
these we don't know what they were, where they came from. But
even those who assume it means aliens are like, uh, yeah, I
figured that was the case, so it I think you're right. I think
people would be pretty blase. There's an anime like this, and it's really
funny because there's this one Kidden. He's the only one that shot, you
know that we just found out there's aliens coming to the planet, and everybody
else it's like eh, and they just go on with their life. So
yeah, maybe I think that they may be less impactful than we think.
We're actually going to have a panel regarding this with myself. Jason McClellan,
Richard Dolan, and Stephen Bassett at Alien condat weekend. Oh great, wow,
I don't know. Did you happen to watch the recent It's a recent
movie called UFO, that's the only title of it. No, I didn't
see that movie. I think I had Jillian Anderson and it's right. Yeah,
anyway, I watched that, and you know, it's uh, if
you if you follow the UFO field, you'd be thinking all the way through
that like, all this is ridiculous. It is ridiculous because they're making such
a big deal and and chasing this guy down just for you know, some
information, mathematical information on the UFO and all that. And so, you
know, I don't want to give the movie away for anyone that hasn't watched
it, but basically, the only way the whole thing ties in and makes
sense is the very end. But until that time, someone in the field
like you or me would be just thinking, oh my god, that's way
overboard, way overboard. And then at the very end it makes it makes
total sense. But da that. Yeah, it was pretty good. It
was pretty good. Semi thumbs up. But you know, the the interesting
part about it is, you know, this kid is like totally fascinated,
totally into it, like this is really, you know, the most amazing
thing. But everyone around him is like, you know, like okay,
enough enough. But I do think, you know, the Pentagon thing was
You're right, it's not saying aliens per se, but if it actually came
out that we had one hundred percent evidence that there's intelligent life out there,
I think I think it's a big deal. But how many other people may
not. You know, the average person out there that doesn't really care that
much about you know, space in general or anything else, you know,
may just think, now, so what won't change anything. I may be
a nerd. I flipped about the New York Times story. I mean I
thought that was a big deal, and even to the start when Tom announced
that and everything, all the people he was talking to, um, I
thought that was a big deal. To me, that was one of the
most exciting things ever to happen. But even people in this field, they're
like, m I know, well, it is something, and there is
so much news of I mean, there's so much information coming at us all
the time, and there's more and more and more, and then you know,
everyone has a smartphone, and there's all types of you know, info
coming at who, and there's that just makes everyone's attention span in general short.
And you know the news, if you're watching the news over the last
few years, you know, it's like so much coming in all at once,
and then a major story is like nothing I could see, you know,
a story with like a millennial strip on their phone. There they are
waiting for the subway, they get in the subway, they sit down,
they look up and it's an alien sitting next to him, and they're like,
figures, maybe, yeah, yeah, can I do a Sophie?
Okay, Another question came in, who do you consider an unsung hero in
the field of uthology today? You know, some of my biggest heroes,
I guess, I would say, and I would put it that way.
Nick Pope, I think is one I think that you know with these people
like Nick Pope, um, he didn't imagine you're working for the government,
the Ministry of Defense or in our case said the Defense Department, kind of
like Lui Lisando. Lui Lisando is a new Nick Pope who is also a
hero of mine. And you know, all of a sudden you get put
on this UFO project. And you're like, oh, this is stupid,
and you know, you go through your paces even if you're like, wow,
there's some real stuff here, would you be willing would you want to
like share that information and damage your friendships or potentially with your friends and your
colleagues. You know. I think that's really brave of these guys to come
out and to share this and to really push this topic forward. So I'm
really into them. Some of the other people, of course, you know
Heienech and Jacques Vallet is his partner. Jacques Vallet, for instance, is
a scientist, he's a venture capitalist. He works in the highest circle,
the highest echelons, much like a lot of the people with Two the Stars.
You know, Chris Mellon, who's part of the Mellon family. Yeah,
and also what you had him on the show and you're one of the
few people and he uh, you know, worked at them, you know,
for the White House and all of these things. Yeah, Department of
Defense, all of these people who put their reputations on the line, and
I think it's difficult for some of us to kind of quantify or understand what
a big deal that is. Because the higher you get, especially in sciences,
and things like that. The more you know your reputation is really important
that you have to guard it in order to get funding or in order to
get you know, your projects pushed through, and these things to happen.
And so it's really brave of these people Bigelow, It's really brave of them.
The people who have a lot are putting more on the line, and
I really admire them. And then I'm also a humongous fan of George Knapp,
of course, being a journalist, He's won tons of awards. I
love the way he tells stories. He tells stories in a unique but concise
and entertaining, an educational, informative way. And he's a big hero of
mine. I think he's great. So yeah, those are those are some
of my heroes. Leslie Kane is a huge hero of mine. I mean,
she's typically her stories gets so much attention because she is very, very
very careful, yea more so than a lot of these guys who have more
on the line about the credibility factor because she and it shows it pays off.
Her book is a New York Times bestseller. The story she writes get
tons of attention, including the New York Times story that she was one of
the authors of, so she's definitely another big fan of mine. And I
do appreciate a lot of the other fringe people who are considered fringe, And
even in the Uffield someone mentioned Linna Moulton Howe, which certainly is I would
consider on the fringe in and I don't mean that in a bad way at
all, but for instance, I was just you know, there's information about
this material that To the Stars is analyzing, and the best history on that
material, I think is at Linda House site. So she's done, you
know, a tremendous amount of work out there. So even if I don't
I don't totally agree with anybody, not George knapped on to anybody, and
they don't agree totally with me. Nobody two people totally agree on everything.
But we need to respect each other and respect all of our contributions, and
I try to, and I really truly do respect the contributions of a lot
of people out there in this field who are genuinely looking for information to share
with the public. So where do you think uthology is heading at this point?
Gapology? I think it's in a really kind of strange crossroad to night
now personally, I feel I feel there's this tug. There's this tug.
Two. We have an unusual and unprecedented opportunity right now to really engage and
interact with and effectively kind of infiltrate the mainstream in science and in media at
very many levels in government. And this is all happening at the same time
there are there speculation and strongly held world views that are kind of taking people
in another direction, and that even includes religion. George Napp and Louise Elizando
have written about how religious factions inside of the government were really responsible because they
thought UFOs in paranormal would demonih for getting a lot of that funding taken away.
In fact, Louis Elzando said his predecessor his career was ruined by these
people, even though some of these people were his really close friends. So
I think that's kind of the crossroads were at. And I'm certainly hitching my
wagon on this mainstream side, because you know, mainstream science and journalism is
where I'm at, and I love it and I think it's it's it's really
fun for me to be able to interview UM an astronaut like Scott Kelly,
you know, probably the most famous astronaut at this moment, and and to
be able to bring up UFOs with him, and I can say, well,
the Pentagon has this UFO program. What do you think of that?
You know, it's it's a unique opportunity where I can you know, bring
these interests and not feel as you know, scared or worried about doing that.
And it this conversation is reaching other levels. I think some people kind
of liked, you know, being a Nissan having our own thing. But
I'm really loving and I know George Knapp has really expressed this that he is
basking in this um new found interest among the general public into this topic and
a credible eye being put to all of this. UM and I agree with
that. It's a It's an incredible time, not just for UFOs but for
space in general. We may be going to Mars within the next ten years.
We may have space tourism happening as soon as next year. Um.
And these are all some of the stuff I write about, and I think
this is a really exciting time. And yeah, and so it's really fun
to share all of this. So now you're on you're a blogger on dennif
Geeks which is one of the one of the top I forget how many.
I'm a writer, not a blogger there, yeah, writer, I'm sorry,
you're a journalist. Yeah, So how how has that? How are
they receiving your articles? I know, you know some of them are space
and stop doing that. Some of them were space relating and stuff like that.
But how are they handling the UFO articles over there? Do they get
some good reads? They do? My first UFO article got huge reads.
I think Mike's got Kelly one. Asking them about UFOs and aliens was a
really big one for them, which is great because I know that even though
they write about sci fi entertainment, that's their main deal, that they were
a little hesitant to kind of dip their toes in the in the UFO water.
But and I think that some of it was influenced, at least by
those of the more are worried about it was well, the the to the
to the star stuff. And also this new History Channel show coming up,
Project Blue Book, so that's helped UM. In fact, I'm gonna be
able to watch the first couple episodes of this uh next week. There's a
special History Channel pre screening UM In fact, if you live in Arizona,
email Phoenix, move on or myself trying to get a hold of us and
we can probably get you into a screening. Um and uh, because there's
they're trying to they're telling us and bite whoever we want. Wow. I
just got an email from Sam Moronto, our friend, and uh, Chicago.
He was saying, are you going to come? I go out to
Chicago a bit here and there, and he said, have you happened to
be here on the fourteenth, And so they're doing a screening out there as
well, So that's really exciting. That's helped. But there are also some
people at Den of Geek that are very very enthusiastic about this topic. So
they're loving it too. So it's uh, it's been Um, it's been
really great. They like it. But of course what's funny And I get
more scrutiny at Den of Geek than I do did at Huffington Post. Not
to say that they're saying, oh, you can't print this, but they're
saying, you know, they want to make sure that it's very credible.
Essentially, they don't want their reputation smirched. They don't want to look like
a tabloid, so I have to even be more careful. So I don't
write as many UFO stories because of that, But that allows me the opportunity
to write a lot more space stories. And I love space stories right right.
I've always I've had a fascination of myself. Do you think do you
think in recent years, you know, people talk about there hasn't been any
really big like UFO story, But when it comes to like the Nimitz do
the Nimitz ufo? Do you think that is? You know? And I
think it's an incredible story, But what are your thoughts on that as far
as it's more or less a newer UFO story. I know it's two thousand
and four, but it's two thousand and four. But we only we had
little bits and pieces of information that we were dripped out for many years,
and now we've gotten a whole motherload of well I shouldn't say the motherload,
it feels like the motherload, because it's a lot more than we've had before,
and a lot more than we've had for a lot of UFO cases.
Although we know, and Lewis even said this at Lizando, that there's a
lot more information that is still locked up on government files about this case and
other similar cases. You know, he alludes to that there are a lot
of cases like the Nimics, but they're just not releasing that information and he's
not at liberty to share. So I love the Nimit. I think the
Nimitz case is extraordinary. We have radar, we have, and then we
have witnesses observations. We have a tiny bit of video and the video,
yeah, and tiny bit of video, but the witness testimony when it comes
to like a court of law, there's a big difference between a regular witness
and an expert witness, and in this case, we really have expert witnesses.
Even in science, that's important. The person who asked earlier, you
would it be a big deal if a scientist was abducted. It would be
a much huger deal it would be if Carl Sagan was abducted. He was
so extremely well respected that if he shared his experience, it certainly would convince
a lot of people, a lot of the really hardened skeptics know, but
that I think would be the minority. So when we have David Fraber,
the commander of this wing, coming onto CNN, Fox News, all of
them and talking about his experiences. Yeah, I think that that is a
very big deal. Really. Phoenix Lights is very well known out here in
Arizona and across the world, and Roswell of course it is well known.
But we have better data and information on the Nimics case than any of the
most famous cases really except for maybe Randels him because we have so many military
witnesses in that case as well. But and you know, some radar data
and everything too. So uh, yeah, I think Nimitz is an extraordinary
and very important case. We only have a couple of minutes left, just
over a been and a half or so. But I wanted to uh,
I mean, well, what you just said, Um, they probably have
cases more, more cases like the Nimits. Wouldn't that be so interesting to
have the inside story? Wouldn't that be so interesting to know what these people
know? Yeah? And I think when I get the sense, you know,
when when especially with your talking face to face with Louise and he's kind
of relaxed that he wants to share so badly, but he's just got to
take a breath once in a while, and he's like, oh man,
he says, brother, brother, if you knew, oh brother, because
he likes that term, you know, brother. Military guys use that a
lot, so um, they're a band of brothers. So yeah, I
I would love to know. Even Nick Pope passed some stuff that he can't
share due to his oath of secrecy to the UK government. One question I
asked is have you ever briefed the royals on any of this? And he
said, I'm not at liberty to talk about that. Isn't that something?
Yeah, yeah, that's like saying yes exactly. I said, well,
you kind of answered my question and he said, well, take it as
you do you wish. Yeah, yeah, Alejandro. So we got just
like a minute here. Can you quickly talk about what you do on Thursday
nights? Oh? Yeah, Thursday. I do UFOs seriously live, so
I talk about essentially the week. I talked about what I've written about,
including some of the space stuff and everything, and then I also go over
the news, the UFO News of the week, and so we go story
by story and you know, some people will know it open minds. I
used to do daily UFO headlines, don't have time for that, so I
do the weekly. But what's fascinating and people don't realize is there's a lot
of UPO news every single week, always have a lot. In fact,
I have a hard time keeping the show down to an hour. It's even
gone up to you know, two hours at times. But it's a lot
of fun. And then I also answer questions in the chat like you do
here. Yeah, yeah, I've joined in a couple of times over there.
It's a lot of fun. All one hundred, Thanks so much.
We're out of time, my pleasure. Always a lot of fun talking to
you. Thanks man, you too, all right, and we'll talk to
you next week on the regular news and have next weekend. Yeah, I'll
be back to the news dude, all right, have a great time this
weekend. Thanks man. All right, okay, everyone, so that's it
for the show. Thanks so much for listening. We'll be back next week
with Ray Stanford. Should be an interesting show. And again, thanks so
much for listening. I really appreciate it. And remember to keep your eyes
to the sky.