I fell asleep in the betok all happy families are like and all unhappy families
are unhappy in their own way. That's toast toys and a crania the first
line of it. That's all I know, big smart, All right,
let's start it. Okay. Oh, when you're promoting a book, maybe,
yes, I don't know. I usually bring to j Loh you're jo
Are you recording this? Get it? JLO? Awesome? Awesome. Welcome
back to the Logical Podcast. I'm your host, Jonathan Lodge. Today,
I have a very special guest and a good friend of mine I haven't seen
in a while, and he's taken time out of his busy schedule to join
me here in the studio. I've got mister Jay Dyer. Welcome brother,
Thank you. Yeah. We were just looking through old pictures and I found
old pictures of me and you and Paul and people partying from probably two thousand
and five, plain Risk. Yes, I found the Risk photos where we
were at Huddle House. Right, So I look back on the that that
time twenty years ago and we would sit for hours and debate. Well yeah,
and I love that and it was formidable years in my life to disagree
to get into contentious conversations to learn how to do that, Like you learn
how to do that by doing that. I ever remember anyone getting mad storming
out. No, we always got a lot of fun. Yeah, it
was fun. That was right, that was right, it was it was
the opposite of that. It was challenge me. Yeah, I don't know.
Let's work this out, or I think I know, let's test against
the hypothesis. Right, and knowledge should and does work this way, But
most of our society doesn't believe this. No, it's unfortunate. I mean,
education has been engineered to dumb people own and to basically make everybody have
emotional reactions to things. Emotivism, right, I'm emotive responses, yes,
and that based on your passions, not on critical thinking. And nowadays I've
learned that the best way to winner debate is just use these bomber glasses and
then I pull them down like this, and I scowl at you with an
air of condescension, and I went every day, I'm not trying to interrupt
you any one every debate, I'm not trying to interrupt you. Kevin.
Can we take a break. This show is brought to you. We've got
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By the way, I have my own product line I'm launching and I'm
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These will help with the boomer glasses. So thank you for the yes.
So if you drink that, you will go from zero to one hundred at
the slightest annoyance. So then okay, nice. Yeah. So, like
I'm talking Jason al Dean bud Light, just anything that is insignificant inconsequential,
you're gonna get very upset about. You're gonna say this is the hill I'm
gonna die on, even though I know nothing about it. That's what that
does for you should have come with it. Trump? Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah. You either love Trump everything he does or you hate everything he
does. That's part of the drink. It's all in there. It's got
it on the label. It's just have like a line of the tribe of
Judah and Trump and like the Israeli flag or something like the Christian Nationalist flag,
because that is eerie to me. I see that, and I listen.
I was going through Arkansas and I saw I saw six flags in a
row, not like the six flags, but one was the POW, one
was a gay Pride, one was the Christian Nationalist flag, yeah, and
one was the Stars and Bars. And I was like, man, I
just want to pull over and meet this person. Is just like talk to
them. That is an incoherent worldview. I don't know. I want to
feel like they're like screw like the you know that ethnics or whatever. You
know. I don't know, just I just felt like this was I'd like
to meet this person. Like what we were talking about debates And you know,
one thing I remember from a long time ago, the Bonson said,
and I think it ultimately comes from Aristotle, is the best way to go
about not just debates, but discussions with people, or it applies to business
at a plus to anything in life is that if you can understand your opponent's
position to their satisfaction, even without taking that position right. Also, that's
the mark of an intelligent man. Yes, and uh, you know,
to go back to what we're talking about a minute ago, like today's society
doesn't think that way if we've been engineered away from So you have devoted the
last twenty years plus of your life to doing the exact thing what you just
said. You have dedicated your life to steadying the opposition, so to speak.
Yeah, so you have you have entrenched yourself with the writings of global
elites, right what they have you know, Rockefeller to whoever. Yeah,
and you have read from their viewpoints, so you're not straw manning their arguments
whatsoever. You're saying, No, this is what these people have said.
This is what they've written. And because a lot of my viewers, I
know a lot of your viewers are aware of this. But this is what
you have done. You've you've dedicated your life to researching and reading this and
then essentially, I don't want to belittle this, but Cliff, note it
down for people like me so I can understand what these people are talking about.
Because these are complex models and complex systems that take decades or a century
plus to implement in several generations right to fully. Yeah. I mean that's
the thing is I realized when I was doing undergrad back in the two thousands
that even though it's starting to dabble in some of the conspiracy topics, a
lot of people viewed these as kind of fringe and silly. And that's understandable
given that there's a lot of disinformation misinformation. There's a lot of bogus conspiracy
theory. Yeah, big Foot or whatever. Yeah, I mean, it's
all kinds of stuff like that. But then I realized, no, actually,
you know, from watching a lot of Alex Jones over the years,
like he would cite the books, and that just kind of gave me the
idea, why don't I just read through those texts because I myself was skeptical
of some of the things that he would say over the years. Yeah,
and so I and his presentation and all that he is a character, he
is a sou I was like, well, don't, I mean I like
to read. Yeah, it was raised by editor librarian moms, So why
not just start working through these texts to see what's legit and what's blowny?
And most of everything that he talked about over the years is legit. And
like you said, that gave me the idea to start what I call the
Global Elite book series, where I go through tragic Hope, Brazinski, Bertram
Russell, Jack got the lead. Who's the Kissinger of France Kissinger's books and
upright Citizens Gade has the best sketch. It's on season one of them.
I don't know if you're famili Yeah, where they have like the earpiece and
kissing kissing, yeah yeah, and he's like he's at the world now former
I don't know where he's at talking and yeah, yeah, Well, speaking
of Klaus's books, I just bought Klaus Swab. For those of you that
don't know. One of the global elites, uh, And it's not just
George Soros if you're wearing a red hat, and it's not just Donald Trump
if your hair's purple. One of the one of the global elites is this
Bond villain. He's from Spector or one of those I don't I don't know
which which Bond villain he is, but he wears very bondesque villain clothes,
talks of the Bond villain accent, and has these insane premises from which he
wants to share inform the world. Yeah, which would be okay if he
wasn't a rich, powerful elitist. Yeah, well he's in with the click
of all these other people we've been talking about. In fact, his position
at Davos, the roll Count Forum was created by Kissinger. This was a
CIA Harvard project many years ago, and they chose Clouds to be in that
role, just like Kissinger and David Rockfelt chose Brazenski to be in the Trilateral
Commission role. Right. So they'll kind of create these committees and these things
and say, hey, put that dude in there. He's a good which
those committees in and of themselves kind of transcend the government structure, so to
speak. The so it almost has this I think Clinton Bill Clinton once said,
you know, we're we're globalists, whether we want to be or not.
No, he said, how dare you? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
So that you have these international elite steering committee is very wealthy people.
They kind of hand the policies down to the government level and so basically say
do that or we will make sure you're not elected, right, and that
trickles down eventually down to our local level, because I mean it goes state,
you know, because where these funding is coming from. So it's like
you have to play ball, you have to kind of give into these these
worldviews. And maybe in nineteen eighty this one change didn't make sense, or
in nineteen ninety two this change didn't make sense. But over time, just
like a geological landscape, if you were to look at it over time,
you can see that it is actually transforming and taking shape from all aspects of
our society. Our great grandparents, their worldview, the way they viewed the
world is completely different from twenty twenty three today. Yeah, that's a slow
Fabian model of how to change things. What do you mean by faith Fabian
socialism? The Fabian elites, that's a it's kind of a group coming out
of England and they were the first Marxists of the late eighteen nineties and early
nineteen hundreds to say that instead of radical tru Marxism of the proletariat, the
working class rising up and taking the meats production, we need to ally with
big capital. So they they're called reformed Marxist and this is people like George
Bernard Shaw, Beatrice in Sydney Webb and they align themselves and we're actually very
influential with people like David Rockefeller. They were influential with a lot of the
British royal society elites. And so this is a reformed Marxism that says,
let's just use the slow model of the long march to the institutions to bring
in not necessarily some kind of rigid Marxism or Leninism, but uh, something
that's allied with big capital that allows capitalism on a monopoly scale to erect the
structures, and then we bring the socialism in a light socialism. So it's
it's it's a third wave. Yeah. So it's almost like they're they're I
see, so they're almost poaching the idea from our brain in that sense of
there it's a slow burn, they're they're introducing it over a gradual Yeah.
So, and all of the institutions that you've probably heard of, like the
IMF, World Bank, these are all Fabian institutions. They're created by people
like John Maynor. Kaine's famous Fabian socialist exactly, So that's Fabian based.
Rockefeller studied under both von Hayek and Harold Laski. Laski was a famous Harvard
and the World Bank was the Rothchild's right or ultimately they're they're part of this
click. Yeah, so you've got Lord Milner, Lord Curtis, Lord Rothschil,
they're all part of the what's called the Milner circle, and that's the
Fabian socialist state. And their idea is, look, Marxism didn't achieve what
it said it would do in that generation, which was that all the workers
would rise up and overthrow bloody revolution didn't happen, right, So Marcism they
still want it. So how are we going to alter it? Let's do
this model. And this model is interesting because they started focusing on things like
culture war. Yeah. So actually Beatrice to Sydney Webb, we're already doing
wild o r G y type stuff and public art displays that were super degenerate,
way before today's modern abstract art or the nineteen sixties culture like they were
doing this in eighteen nineties in England, so like the nineteen sixties culture revolution.
So we have a guy here on the court square that holds a sign
up and he is this is This guy's been doing it for twenty something years.
I've been doing a documentary on him and one of the interesting things is
he was actually in height Ashbury in nineteen sixty seven went to the University or
Michigan State or University Michigan under Jolly Rogers, under the doctor Jolly West.
Jolly West, sorry not Roger, yea, yeah, the pirate Jolly West
and uh and went and was at height. Ashbury in sixty seven talks about
at Nazi and some of his writings in the past decades about being around these
these houses, these hippie houses, where they were given this LSD and I
did this deep dive on that whole experiment and didn't realize that the freaking US
government had bought up the world's supply, the entire world supply of LSD from
Sandoza Labs from from Albert Hoffman, had synthesized it there, gets gets it
off to the CIA. The CIA then takes it to like five or six
people, not a whole lot of people, and they're like, hey,
by the way, we have the and this is my theory. Now we
have the largest voting block in American history that's about to vote right and they
their their leader just got his head blown off, right, and uh,
we have uh, this war that is escalating that no one wants to be
in we're whatever advisors or whatever they you know, So there's all this the
rose colored lenses. I guess we're fading after after World War Two, and
these people were ready to vote out this power structure, but they didn't,
and they never went back to the polls. And a lot of that is
I believe because they were hundreds of millions of people were dosed by the LSD
or by the CIA with LSD, and so you know, they tuned in,
tuned out or whatever, but they never they never went the What I'm
getting at is this was a I believe this was a pivotal time in American
history where we never the institution of the voting institutions so to speak. Never
it kind of it stopped. That's that's when it stopped. And so our
generation it's like, oh do you vote? And we're like ah for who
for freaking Joe whatever? And Donald whoever? Like gross Man. Yeah,
I mean I brought a lot on CIA foreign operations of how they re elections,
like many of them, I mean electionary against like a classic. Yeah,
they're really really good at it, right, So it's why would it
be unthinkable that it would happen in our country when it when it goes on
all the time, and they've even bragged around. Yeah, all kinds of
Lidia just came down and some of the some of the bigger countries too,
not just the Third world. Yeah, they've been involved in. Well that's
the maintenance of an empire, right, So Brazinski said that this is he
called it the American empire, and you have to maintain it through these means.
So that's sort of like, you know, just power politics, right.
So, and yeah, you're right, I think to talk about the
nineteen sixties counterculture stuff as a way, they had multi multi purposes. One
of one of them was a social engineering technique experiment to see what would happen,
Well, what happened with me? That was saying. But I also
think that you're right that it kind of, uh, it shook the public's
confidence in our offices, yes, you know, the presidency, this kind
of stuff, right, So, and it had that that was part of
its purpose was to do that. That's right. They were mad, they
were upset everyone, you know, third leader, this guy that was basically
like hey, this instant all right, so the previous President's like, hey,
this thing's happening. It's bad. It's super bad, right, he
talks about the military industrial complex. That's the last speech he gives. And
then this new guy comes in and he's like, hey, you know,
I mean it's a it's a bad team. Just they're all bad teams.
But hey, I'm gonna destroy the CIA and the FBI, and I'm gonna,
you know, de institutionalize the US government. And then and then that
was not what happened. One of the reasons Eisenhower spoil right. Yeah.
One of the reasons Eisenhower said that was because he had found out about mocking
Bird, which was the older Cold War program where the CIA creep this year
recruited abou four hundred journalists at the top legacy institutions. So Time Magazine,
you know, all of these big mag magazine. Yeah, yeah, but
they actually gave money to a Playboy magazine and Miss magazine. So Miss magazine
was the premier feminist magazine at the time. Yeah, that glorious I don't
worked for the CIA, and she was getting money from the CIA to promote
feminism to men. They promoted at that time Playboy magazine. So part of
the culture war was what the CIA was really focusing on in the car.
In the Cold War, the idea was will combat Sovietism with total liberation in
all ways, right, so women liberated from the home, from from having
children, guys liberated from the responsibilities of raising children, being playboys. That
was the sixties model of social engineering. All that was funded by the Congress
for Cultural Freedom. And another adjacent to that is mocking Bird, which is
again the recruitment of all of these journalists, not just in the US,
it was all the top media publications in the US, but also foreign countries.
So they were really to really able to ensconce their control for media in
that way. But when Eisenhower found out about this, this is part of
what prompted that famous speech, was because he had learned about mocking Bird,
right, Okay, And so this then gets slowly a part of the c
I mean, the CIA's ransom crazy. Just look up any of these operations
Northwoods or any of these insane things that they've done. But so mk Altar
kind of in that same error. I found it interesting how many groups were
influenced by lysurgic acid. You know, so right now, the Jesus Revolution
movie just came out and it was a big deal, and there's a lot
of evangelicals that believe this is their spiritual heritage. And when you read about
Lonnie Frisbee and how he would got LSD from the CIA, then went and
tripped a lot of acid, read the Bible, baptized people in the San
Francisco Bay or in hot tubs or whatever it was, had these big what
did you I can't spell as F s U R O R G E y.
He had these big things, right, I mean, but it took
the institution of Methodism, Presbyterianism, Baptist, all these different things, and
hey man, let's break these barriers. And at the time it seemed great.
But now you fast forward and Christianity is just this meaningless blob of nonsense
that is unidentifiable. Yeah, A couple of the other Calvary Chapel founder people
also had a background in Vietnam, Black Operations, Green Beret and CIA stuff.
I forget which one of the Calgary Chapel does, but the Calgary Chapel
comes out of yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll that Jesus People Revolution stuff.
And they're same with like there's some Black Panther offshoot groups and the same
thing Hell's Angels, and there's these these movements that we're getting all this insane
LSD and then tripping and changing the minds of you know, I think they
were experimenting with different ways that you could basically have test tubes, right,
right, So Petri dish Row and see what happened. Yeah, it is
a perfect example. Yeah, a lot of people don't know that they were
They actually were for the CIA, they were actually paid, they were actually
like create like the monkeys were created band. I mean, this is what
they were created for this scene and some of the earliest videos you can watch
of them, and they were pretty open about it. They're like, this
is cool man, you know that we're getting paid to do this, you
know. But am Adam Morrison, right, yes, yes, the same
same situation. If you see the early pictures of Jim Morrison, he's like
this clean cut, nerdy, waspy dude, right, and his dad's involved
in the Gulf Ofton Keen false flag basically, right. So yeah, I
think that a lot of a lot of what we think is the organic counterculture
is not. Yeah, there are some people that are organically counterculture, but
what happens is that a lot of these things, even if they're organic,
they can be then steers. Yeah, like astro turf into they changed the
gangster rep. Yeah right yeah, Gangster Rep I think was basically a thing
as well. Yeah, yep, yep, same with alpha gel. Uh,
same with uh what's that alpha gel? Yeah? You know Alfhagel,
like the tick borne disease. Yeah, so you're talking about the rock fills
earlier. So I just think this is hilarious. So side note, and
you may already know this. I can't think of the rock feller's name that
like was that got lost in New Guinea, you know, like he like
they had the rock foundation. Yeah, so they had a foundation in New
Guinea, Pop New Guinea, right, and they were studying preons. Yes,
we talked about this, yes, you and I did, yeah,
yes, okay, came over yeah yeah yeah yeah and they were settings and
uh he the boat capsizes and and he's like I'm gonna swim shot and they
never see him again. Right. And then Charlton Heston's son is recording a
documentary like a decade later, just mate from people. Yeah yeah, and
there's this white guy like out on a canoe with like a fig leaf,
with like a fig leaf and a big beard and he's just like getting it,
you know, and I'm like, man, maybe he made that choice.
Maybe he was like I need to escape like this this uh, this
legacy institute of demonic nonsense that my family is doing, because like it's interesting.
You know, we talked about prions, but Kuru, right is the
is the well Kuru specifically is the name that the pop regardless pop New Guinea.
They have like eight thousand different languages, you know, completely unrelated,
but so oral traditions as you know, they are, they're they're stipulated,
they're very they're very structured. So they had no word for Kuru prior to
its introduction. They had no history of Kuru prior to the Rockefeller Foundation coming
to Papa New Guinea to study Kuru, which I just this is also people
don't know this, but that's adjacent to the large scale and culture produc jets
that were being done in Australia. A lot of people don't know. I
read a whole book on this that m culture wasn't just US based. You
have time, yeah, of course, yeah, well but but people think
of it as the forty eight or so universe. At forty two universities in
the United states that were part of this project, but it's actually was running
a lot of programs in Australia. One of those was a famous I can't
because the guy's name is something like Harry or something like that, but there's
a doctor who was doing he's like the most famous serial killer in Australia.
But he was part of M Cultra Or he was doing experiments on getting people
to the point of death and then bringing them back and studying their experiences.
But he was doing it to the people in the mental institute. Yeah,
so you can look up that that famous case, but that was studies for
m Kultra. Yeah, and there's dozens of this throughout Australia. And what
you're talking about is part it's adjacent to that's they were running all these at
the same time. Yeah. You know, you know, I'm an outdoorsman
and I'm always trapping and hunting and fishing. It. So these diseases that
in all this nonsense, uh, these introduced species. Uh, A lot
of these were purposely introduced. A lot of these diseases were purposely right,
Yeah, I mean multiple tickborn things. So well, I know a Plumb
Island and that Skull Island no plumb is for limes disease limes. But I'm
saying, yeah, yeah, I think everybody should. Skull Island is where
King Kong is might also be worri from. Yeah he comes from. Do
you know that is actually uh uh is a King Kong STD King Kong born
STD that he gave because the ticks or this, he gave it to day
watch. So remember that stupid King Kong movie anyway, and Jack Black,
do I remember? Yeah? I watched it last night in preparation for the
show. Yeah, it happened to be. I looked on the internet and
it was like Jay is into movies. So I was like, we got
to watch a movie, so that we watched that. So yeah, no,
But so the same if we were talking about Klaus and Davos, Yeah,
and they had that doctor Wu Lee Yeah yeah yeah. We have to
uh engineer to make up people in alleged to meat also to make it them
smart. Yeah. Yeah, so they're they're yeah I heard they were modifying
mosquitoes now too. Those the other thing it's like they're putting they're putting corona
or something in mosquitoes. I know they're vaccinating cows now. So that's supposedly
haven't done it yet. They are floating the idea. Yeah, but you
usually means they're probably already doing it, ye say. Yeah. So as
a meat eater, I take you eat meat? Yes, how do you
source them? What do you do? We have specific people that I've asked
locally, meat dealers. Yeah, under the table, meat dealers. This
dude walks up with with a trench coat and got like a meat hanging from
a trench some porterhouses. It's crazy because I used to source mine myself and
and do all of my own and h since CWD has come here, which
is another pre on disease manufacturing Colorado nineteen seventy three, check it out.
They were studying. I know you've gone down the rabbit hole in this y
bill. It's just it's so frustrated, and that will end up in our
groundwater, and people don't understand that. It's crazy. It is small enough
to go through dietemacious earth and end up in our groundwater. So and it
takes decades, but yep, and it doesn't go away, so you can't
burn it, freeze it melted, you know, So you I know you
do this for a living. What what are some of the cool I've been
following you on you know, the internet. What are some of the cool
podcasts you've been on lately? Man? Things have blown up in the last
year. Yeah, well we did Alex for the blastom yourself. Yeah you
get so I've done Alex Fourth Hour for two and a half years now and
that really opens So what for our listeners that so Alex Jones Everybody's I'm probably
sure you have all heard of Alex Jones, right, So the fourth hour
of his show every Friday was has been my spot. So usually what he
does is three hours and then he gives the fourth hour to another person.
So, but we've done a bunch of in studio interviews. We were just
there a couple of months ago in Austin. We did like a what three
hour special with Alex. It was crazy. That got a lot of you
as a lot of traction. That opened up. What is that energy?
Light? I mean, what do you? What do you? The energy
is always at full, never goes down. It is always one hundred,
even when like the cameras are off, like we went one hundred. We
went to each Chinese and it was on the whole time, like there was
like a beverage, Like all the beverages that they have at the Chinese restaurant
were all splayed around him. He would just keep bordering more like when we
would when he would see somebody else with that drink, like what does that
give me that? It was like twenty at the table right, remember that?
So you have to go home and like just take a nap. It's
he's I mean, he's like a yeah, You're like where does he get
all this energy? Who? I'm just I just want to go back to
the hotel and knick it for a second, dude, Like, yeah,
it never stops. But that opened up like other doors. We did the
Tucker Carlson Special. So we did a Tucker special on Eat the Bugs and
that was a lot of fun. We did tim Cast. That was a
lot of fun. That came out a lot of this. I love tim
Cast. That's a cool show. Yeah that's awesome man. Yeah. Uh.
We did Doctor Turley, We did Elijah Shaffer show. I just did
Pearls Podcast probably things. What else have we done in the Lost It's been
crazy the last year. Who a lot of Maria Z, Jamie Kennedy.
Oh, we just did the Jammie Kennedy. So we went to LA and
we did a show with him. Yeah. So I've been doing some of
my comedy. Yeah uh, air quotes, air quotes, and then I
performed my music live. If you ever want to think that your comedy is
not funny, grab you a sip of that boomer fuel right there. Okay,
just take a one sip and you'll be like, not funny? Will
it turn me into Robin Williams. You'll be It's like boomer comedy, right,
You will be offended at comedy if you drink. That's yeah, that's
what I'm saying, Like, whatever the joke is like not funny? Yeah,
uh, that's that's super cool. Man. So you're doing the circuit
and then you're you're still writing. So you have a book here, last
book I did. So this year we did a lot of live events.
We've never done our own live events. We pioneered doing that for for our
stuff, our material in the last year. So so comedy, geopolitics,
we throw it all into one show. And then when you say music,
yeah, I have a thing I call cringe corps. I was I'm cringing
right now? What type of music its familiar. It's all styles. So
there's like all styles you mean tech now a little bit of techno. Yeah,
all styles you mean it's now, No, I mean it's like Prince
influenced, depeche Mode influenced. Do you do the influenced? What you do
the vocals? Yeah? Do you play an instrument? No, I sing
this is the instrument, but that's the instrument vocal. You can both people
do both. I've seen I've heard you've heard of this, Yeah, I've
seen the band Ones. It was all mimed. Yeah, it was all
animatronic. I did this. You were like the monkeys, No, you
were. It was like the pizza joint with the rat. You've seen the
new looks like a rat. Dude, he's not he's not a mouse.
And where it's got nasty right anyway. Uh yeah, So we integrate all
of that at our live shows, and we've done I think five or six
live shows. We did Nashville live live audience. It was a lot of
fun. We did Orlando, Austin, La Florida. Yeah, so any
like juicy see, I remember one of my favorite things and we talked about
earlier, is like debates. You still you're still debating. Oh man,
we just did a huge Muslim debate, but my biggest Islamic opponent was like
three days ago, five five days ago, Okay, it was wild.
Yeah, so that was my fifth or sixth Muslim debate. So by by
debate, just like, I know this, I know it's gonna sound.
I know, I know, and I need to explain this. What that
means is it's it's not just two people yelling at each other. It's structured.
Uh there, I mean somewhat with the Muslims that sometimes is well,
you know what I mean, But it's a it's a structured you have you
have an allotment of time. They have a lot of time. Usually there's
a moderator, there's a topic at hands. So formal debate you have you
know, a thesis pro con, you have like fifteen minute opening statements,
you have rebuttals, you have cross examination, right, and then more statements
and then closing stuff. Right. So that's the typical with the moderator.
Right. So yeah, there's a formal debate. How do you get set
up with something like this, like what what is your criteria? I mean,
obviously this is something you're doing for a living. So I mean,
I'm not gonna speak for you, but I'm just gonna make assumptions. You
gotta have large viewership, you've got to have probably some sort of they've got
to have cut their teeth. I'm sure you don't want someone that's just gonna
be like, I feel this is the best I feel Donald Trump's the bestest.
I feel that one. Yeah. Eventually, yeah, you want to
have some criteria for sure, Like it can't just be any random NDO.
It's got to be a person who is notable for that position. Right.
So it started, I think with just kind of a mid tier Islamic apologist
guy who was interested in Orthodoxy just to understand it, and he happened to
be connected to a lot of the larger Islamic YouTube debate. So that led
to the next two Islamic debates, with one with the doctor shapiro Lei and
then with a shake that's in Islam, that's more respect, that's like a
higher level. It's like if you're a shake, you're kind of it's kind
of like a THHD. You know, you're a respected so and then for
for our listeners to Orthodoxy is one of three branches types of Christianity. It
is the second largest church in the world in the southern United States. It's
it's not as well known, but it is the one of the one of,
if not the most ancient Christian church in the world. Ye. So
anyways, when you say Orthodoxy, a lot of people think Orthodox Jews or
something like that orthdox Christianity. So when I'm debating the Muslims, I represent
that position obviously, but it's also a much better approach because of the specificity
that Orthodoxy has about the Trinity that's not usually there in Roman Calthagan protest argumentation.
Not to say that there aren't Protestants from Metholics that aren't sophisticated on the
Trinity, but Orthodox really is very super precise in the Trinity. So specifically,
what that's much trinitarian argument is that you what do you think that you
pull from Orthodox I'm just curious that you would use against a Muslim. It's
better against a Muslim because a lot of the texts that Muslims are going to
use from the Old Testament or from the Gospels is going to assume assume their
unitarianism. And what we usually do that's really effective is showing that the Old
Testament teaches the Trinity, that Judaism isn't a monolithic Unitarian thing. In fact,
a lot of modern Jewish scholars are admitting that looks like Early Christianity is
actually a conservative form of Judaism because it's sticking to the authenticity of the Old
Testament texts, which posit a triad. So the try is all throughout the
law and the profits. So you have y'all way, the Angel of the
Lord comes in so many of those man order called theophanis or divine manifestations,
and then you have the Spirit. So essentially the Orthodox view is that,
no, no, it's not that is that that Abraham was a strict Unitarian.
No, Abraham was a Trinitarian. Even though he didn't use the term,
he still recognized, right, these three persone in God. And so
that's becoming more so. When Jacob wrestled with God, he was wrestling with
Jac's what you're saying. Absolutely, So jac whooped up on him, came
off the top top rail and came down. He touched that thunder, He
touched that thunder thigh boom boom, Yeah, I got you. And so
the Chicana Glory, Holy Spirit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So you
see this triad all throughout and even specifically like where some when the prophets speak,
where like Zachariah one to three, you have Father, you have the
Angel of the Lord, and then you have the Spirit. All there.
Ezekiel one to ten, same thing, yep, yep. So trinity is
everywhere in the old tops one and that's very effective against Islamic apologiz. Ezekiel
one to ten was talking about aliens. Well, if you watch the History
Channel, it is all right. I thought it pretty sure it's aliens.
So I am. I'm a Christian. Also, by the way, aliens
PSI up. Big promoter of that, Lawrence Rockfeller, yep, huge promoter.
That What I was gonna say is I'm a Christian one hour out of
the week and then the rest of the week, I'm a strict material atheist,
so I only accept what the public zeitgeist forces down my throat. Aliens.
Yeah, so, well, I only believe in them now because the
government told me, right, yeah, they said it was aliens. And
it's it's funny the verbiage that they used, because really all honestly, and
I don't know whether you've talked about this, and I'm sure you have.
It sounds like they're describing other spirits. I mean they're talking about like biologics
and things like this. I mean, like you know, oh, biologics
have been found. Well, I mean you think about like Moses's face,
right, like it was affected by the presence of right, so like it
left a biologic I had some sort of biological mechanism that it changed his face
briefly because it was interacting with this thing. It just would make more sense
to me that it would be, in my mind, another spirit rather than
a thing, a mechanical thing that somehow built another mechanical thing and transcended this
immense space of time for millions of years just to crash. It doesn't make
any sense, absolutely, yeah. And if you go to the history of
the origins of this whole mythology, it's bound up with a lot of known
frauds. If you look at Betty and Barney Hill, Georgia Damski, those
are some of the earliest abduction stories. In the case of Georgia Damski,
his story was basically cribbed from a crappy so I find novel and he got
found out. People started calling him a fraud and guess who ran point to
shut down any investigations of him. Alan Dullas believe it or not, so
yes, so the CIA has been absolutely from the earliest days involves heavily in
the UFO phenomenon. Did a really good interview with some dudes that are kind
of experts on this to Colin's brothers. They wrote like a seven eight hundred
page book on this topic called Invoking the Beyond. If anybody wants to read
something really good, that's what they're doing with the large a drink collider.
I believe I don't know what that is. Listen, listen, listen,
Just think about your your objective and logical right, try to be okay,
Hence I'm on this podcast logical I was thinking, for the name of the
podcast real quick, can we take a commercial break? This my mom does
I'm not yeah, I'm not joking you are, I'm not so anyway.
No, what I was gonna say is I just find it. I just
find it fascinating when you know, it's almost as if, like in the
material atheist world, like this is gonna sound so great, like they're God,
they're Jesus Christ has just like incarnated. Yeah, does that make sense?
You know? It's like so a lot of the new atheists are very
open to and even promote the idea of aliens, right, yeah, Dawkins,
Well, I do believe in the possibility of aliens. He's still alive.
Yeah, he's still How Adriana Chrome's that work in Taco Bill? I
don't know. Well, uh. And then Michael Schremer the other day was
just saying to the question of well, how does something come from nothing if
you believe in a complete, you know, materialistic account of the Big Bang
and all that, so go hold on. So now they're appealing to mystical
metaphysics of quantum foam. So oh well, quantum foam, right, and
so aliens and quantum foam are basically the new metaphysics, right for the atheist
materialists, right, But that in materialist defense. Classically, they've always believed
the universe has no beginning or end. That was their premise forever in a
day. It wasn't until the Big Bang, but that was changed. So
the classic materials said, no, the eighth or the universe is eternal.
But what I was gonna say anyways, cat real quick back on the Large
Hay Drunk Lider, and your logical thing about this. It's the largest thing
we've ever built in all of humanity. Okay, it's the most expensive thing
we've ever built in all of humanity. And you're gonna tell me that we
built this thing just to run protons into each other. That doesn't make think
something else. I just don't know what. I don't either. But if
you look at the all of your you wrote a book called Esoteric Hollywood.
Look at all the esoteric symbology that's surrounding the Large Hay Drunk Collider, their
website, all of the symbolism that they put through the play. It's weird.
I'm like, what are y'all doing down there? You're not just,
oh, we want to find out the origins of the universe. No,
human beings don't spend that much time, that much money build this big of
a structure. Yeah, to run adams into each other. Usually that kind
of stuff is built for surveillance and control. Yeah well so yeah, yeah,
exactly, Yeah, probably surveillance and control. They fall in a name
like I think a lot of the Cold War architecture of what was put into
place with like Setti and those giant good example of this, those giant dishes
that were supposedly to send emails to alien life SETTI. Oh yeah, I
actually think that was part of just Cold War like they were using it for
surveillance. Was that contact? Was that? Didn't they used to say contact?
Okay? Yeah, it's in a lot of movies. Yeah. Matthemconne
is the dreamiest preacher I've ever You gotta you gotta dream there. Foster does
not like him, though, Hunt tell you that much. Well, if
you remember that movie. It's funny because he's actually the spiritual counselor to the
presidents. The president's like a Bill Clinton kind of wrote like a motor Matthew
matthewmconny, he's the spiritual counselor. Right, yeah, yeah, bail,
you need a may baby, I will tell you what today. Yeah there
you Yeah, that's a it's a terrible movie. Yeah, if you go
watch it, like because it's krals Sagan propaganda. But it doesn't. But
but but I know, but who's the dad man? He was such a
good dad. I can't think of that Bill Pittman Pullman, Bill Pullman.
He's not maybe Bill Bill Pullman or one of the I forget, but I
watched The Enemy the State the other day nineteen ninety nineteen ninety nine. Guess
who's in that who brief first early movie cho No, Jamie Kennedy, he
isn't there. He is one of the tech nerds, Yes with him and
Seth Green and Yes and Jack Black and yep yep, yep, yep yep.
Enemy States. Great. Yeah, But I mean so we watched it
and we were laughing at all the you know, like the way they preview
or project, like how technology is going to develop or whatever. And I'm
like, when do you think this movie is made? We're trying to guess.
Obviously post nine to eleven. Obviously it's talking about NA it's talking about
oh yeah. But I mean in my mind it was like obvious. It's
so obvious because it's like the control state. And I mean the Senator at
the beginning is like, I don't want to pass this legislation that's going to
take away everybody's civil liberties. Yeah, and they're like, no, you're
gonna pass it right to get civil liberties right, And of course, right
post nine eleven, that's exactly what everybody lost. But yeah, and speaking
of Jimmie Kenny We we filmed the podcast with him, Jamie Kennedy. Here,
you keep looking over there. I don't want to look over there's heat
here. I just keep looking up at the camera because we're on a podcast
and so the audience. Yeah, exactly, that's not jam Kenedy cut to
a commercial. Very cool? Quick? Are you serious? How many times
do you promote this guy, this insurance con man or whatever? How do
you make your money? I'm being honest. How do you make your mind?
I'm not trying to be condescending. How do you make your money?
Gold? I sell gold? The balloons on How do you make your money
on the dark web? The Black Webb commercials? I mean, seriously,
don't people have to promote? Can we run to the commercial? I'm sorry,
I'm just having fun. No, I'm I have to make money.
It's like you understand. Yeah, it's familiar with this world of podcast.
It's rough, dude, it's rough. My four hundred listeners, well,
no telling what this? How's that's that tight? Wide pay anything? A
lot keeps his place up and running. Okay, yeah, yeah, a
lot. I mean that's why I have him so much. When you go
into Jamie's Jamie Kennedy's uh condo. It's where we he films this podcast.
And what's funny is like it's like a Hollywood version of uh cracker Barrel.
Every inch of the wall is like movie memorabilia in every room. It was
crazy, Like you go in the bathroom, every inch of the wall is
like Jamie Kennedy stuff because he was actually in tons of movies. Yeah.
Yeah, it was just made me think of that because I'm in here in
this podcast for him, and it's like, have you seen the movie Funny
People with Adam Sandler when he's like a dying comedian and he has like Seth
Rogan. He hires Seth Rogan to like write jokes form or whatever. It's
the same premise. You go to his house and his house is like decorated
with all of his stuff from like his when he was like yeah, yeah,
dude, all of my four h ribbins, all of my speech team,
you're out trophies, Yeah, my whole whole house. Yeah, my
kids bring home stuff, and I'm like, h gotta be the first,
got to be first bum. Yeah. It wasn't it that Jamie was there?
Wasn't it that way, it was like it was like a Hollywood cracker
Borough right, yeah, anyway, but yeah, he was in anemy state.
I forgot about that until recently. Yeah, wild movie. I mean
just like again, it's that predictive, predictive, Yeah, predictive programming nonsense.
Uh, you know, I don't. We try not to. There's
not too many movies that grab grab us these days. We I ten into
feel like and I know you know this to be the case, but there's
a huge shift that's taking place right now in cinema and I like it.
I tend I like it a lot. Great yeah or sound Sound of Freedoms?
Yeah, yeah, So what's going on with that? I heard one
of the dudes it was like a crowdfunder producer got picked up and the big
big for child trafficking and no, no, that was everyone's hating. No
no, So that had hundreds of people that could donate. Yeah, and
so one dude had donated and he got caught as but I mean anybody could
donate that. Yeah. Why are they hating on this movie so much?
I think? Is it's legit because it's talking about child trafficking. Yeah,
So for those of you don't know there's the media says doesn't exist, even
even as Oprah's spiritual counselor John of God, was just convicted and given a
hundred year sentence for human trafficking. Yeah, so those you don't know,
there's more slaves in the world than there's ever been in all of human history,
but both population and percentage. That's a fun, real fact. And
we live in a world and in a society where we act as if that's
not the case. But that is one hundred percent factual. CIA factbook actually,
And there's a bunch of books that have come out over the years about
this stuff. I mean, my publisher did Franklin Scandal Franklin cover Up.
That book came out in the early it's about the events in the early eighties
of boy trafficking. The best thing, and I don't mean this as a
joke, and it's going to sound funny, but follow me down this philosophical
rabbit hole. The best thing to happen to slavery historically speaking, is the
Civil War because technically, if you think about it in our public's I guess
it ended it ended slavery. Slavery ended right at that date. But really,
just like some of these other systems that we talked about, different kind
of slavery. It's a different kind of slavery. Yeah, and they got
better at it, right, more sophisticated, more sophisticated they got, they
got, they got better at it, and they tried early on, you
know, and we could see early examples of like the early robber barons with
the company stores and that that kind of sticks out on our mind. But
we're not enslaved. Me Jonathan Lodge in twenty twenty three, I'm not.
I'm the exemption to this rule, just like the algorithms not influencing my own
preferences in brain, I'm exempt from there, just like I support the political
person that I support because of my own free will, not because I've been
imprinted by whoever. Right, No nonsense, Right, that's nonsense. Yeah,
it's like we're all slaves in a different it's like a grad a scale,
that's right. We may not be like on a plantation, but if
we're we're on the Disney plantation, like if we're programmed by Disney, right,
yeah, like if our kids are raised on Disney right. Well,
and also too, you know this we live in in Western society. We
tend to put things in this weird like it's either this or it's that black
or white, you know, these these dichotomies or whatever you want to call
it. And uh, and we tend to we tend to like look at
things as if they're worse, you know, we tend to like have a
scale of oh, oh, this is inherently worse or inherently better. And
at you know, chadow slavery obviously terrible, horrible, but any experience that
you have can be terrible and horrible. And how is it that we are
going to grade these things? And I think that if it's a slow,
easier methodical, it tends to be less abrasive, and it tends we tend
to say, wow, that didn't hurt so bad, exactly, that wasn't
so bad. Yeah, slow kill Fabian model exactly. Yeah. The Fabian
symbol is uh a wolf and chef's clothing. Their other symbol is a turtle.
Because it's just local interesting. So what are what are we supposed to
do in twenty twenty three? Man? You start a podcast? Have you
ever heard of podcast? No? No? I mean, like our generation
we were handed a shit bag. We were we were raised to believe we
could do anything we want. The world was our oyster. We were we
this awesome, you know, just just awesome ideas of limitless you know,
bounty. And then we we we can't escape debt. We can't hardly buy
housing. Yeah. Why is debt slavery not considered slavery? Yeah, I
mean we know this term from history debt slaves. Right, if you owed
a lot of money, you go to debt or prison, you meant to
work it off. Right, But if the whole money systems based around fiat
usury, how is that not everybody enslaves? It's that from future generation as
well too, by the way, Oh yeah, that happened in the last
two years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the inflation is like what
ten percent after KUP right, right, right, so that the largest upward
mobility transfer of wealth. Oh you're talking about just the transfer just to transfer
wealth from the big emerge to the devaluation of the currency just from KUP is
ten percent, that's right, Which is crazy. Yep, it is crazy.
It is crazy, and it's which is theft, and it's going to
get worse, and you know that's that's the I don't know, that's the
struggle that my generation are. And I don't want to speak for my entire
generation, but we just see this and we see it on fire and we're
just like, yeah, this is horrible. I don't want to be a
part of the system. I don't. And it's like I don't want to
vote for Biden, I don't want to vote for Trump. I don't want
to do any of these I don't want to give UH credence to any of
these institutions because they're obviously false. They've obviously let us down, legacy media,
whatever it is, right, we're outright rejecting it. But our problem
is we don't know what to fill with that void, and so we do
You speak to Karl Sagan, It's one of my favorite quotes is we've filled
it with, you know, clutching crystals and nonsense. We've filled it with,
you know, we've rejected material atheism. But what we have filled in
its void is dumb New Age stuff. Dumb New Age stuff. Yeah,
anything but anything but you know the crystals and that kind of junk that's like
the number one thing on TikTok. That's like they're all witches and in the
crystals. Yeah, it gets like a million likes on ticks. And what's
crazy is what group hates that people hates those people worse than anybody else.
Evangelical Protestant Christians, right, they hate witches, remember, like the whole
Satanic ritual abuse and all that, right that they were like public enemy number
one. It's like Satanists right, right. They hate each other. Now,
who would the New Age blame all of their trauma and all of this,
you know, regression from their parents. They hate who the Evangelicals,
right, But they both believe and work off the same model and same system,
which is God or the God of verse is Santa Claus. Hey,
man, we can do X y Z, we can line everything up and
we can manifest this, or we can pray to God that we'll have a
Lamborghini Counto Shinar garage when we get home. That's a point and whatever the
nonsense is. But it's like they are building off that same block. It's
the same theology, it's the same theology, and they hate each other.
And to make that comparison to the twenty four year old girl who has daddy
issues in search reline or whatever, yeah, yeah, and to the sixty
six year old Karen that wants to cut someone off in Kroger because she's entitled
to. They're the same, You believe the same thing. You believe that
you control the will and power of the world. Yeah, that you can
with your faith move mountains whatever your faith is, right, Yeah, yeah,
this is like God is a concept that is a technology that I can
harness to better myself and get what I want, which asolutely I like Jordan
Pearson says a lot of good things, but that's also his view of God
ultimately is basically that God is like this concept that's a self help technology verb
yeah, an action. Essentially, Tate says the exact same thing to you
about God. H is funny because you would think that Titan Peterson has views,
but they have the same view of God, that God is this technology
that gets you what you want. So but but if that technology is a
means to the end, then wouldn't that end, I mean, isn't this
sort of a self refuting world view? Wouldn't that end then become God?
Right? If? If right? Right? If the technology God is a
self help thing that gets me God Bugatti right, Yeah, God's what helps
you do what you gotta do to survive. What does that mean well,
to flourish? What does that mean well? To do well? Right?
Oh no, no, yeah, we can't define any moral no, absolutely
not. How dare you start to make any kind of moral claims about anything?
Well, both of those views, they just end up, like you
said, the telos, the purpose of that is just Santa Claus. Yeah,
I want to Lamborghini country. I want to be successful and not uh
and I'm all like, I want a house and a wife, not being
a loner apartment with on you know, drugs, right right, So Jordan
Peterson appeals to me so that I can get to a better status in life.
Not that that isn't a better status in life, but like you're saying,
like, well, that's just making a different creative thing of God,
right right. I want I want Tesla to release, you know, Perrywinkle
Blue, And so I'm gonna manifest that. So I've I've lined up my
crystals and I've got my sages, and I'm gonna manifest that Elon's gonna release
Perrywinkle Blue. Yeah, because I have that power. But all right,
yeah, with with just the right stuff, you know what I mean,
With just the right stuff, it's a technology. Yeah, it's a technology.
And and oh oh I love this because I saw this the other day
on Facebook and I should have bought us both matching ones. But you know,
the Bible is used as technology, right, and it's been used since
I don't know, five hundred years or so, let's say roughly, as
technology. And is that when you think the Bible came to be five hundred
years ago, Jonathan, Uh, it came to be? No, hang
on, I'll give you a date. Jesus died, rose from the dead
and he's like and he's like, boom, he handed it off and he
did this the k Yeah, okay, he did that and disappeared. Yeah
yeah no. So so you know, using using that as technology, so
you know, we can we can look into this thing and we can decipher
the text and we can connect the dots and yeah yah yeah yeah yeah.
But I mean, but that's what it all is, is like, hey,
if you just read, I will give you a proposition X y Z,
and I'll be able to back it up with this connect the dots scripture.
Right, And that's why we have forty thousand different denominations or whatever.
But when I was on Facebook, the other day. This point was articular
related by So instead of like wearing a cross like most people would wear around
their neck, right, you could buy a micro engraved the entire Bible nano
engraved with like the laser etched and it's like, however many millimeters the text,
but it's the entire text written on this silicon, you know, like
you would write a computer chip or something, and then it's glassed and then
enclosed with twenty four carrot gold and it's this square and it's all of the
Bible written out. I know, But do you understand the what this is
representing? So instead of a cross that you would wear, it's that which
is we worship Jesus Christ. No, we're worshiping the technology, okay,
the nanotech, the scripture, Right, Scripture is the technology from which we
come to understand God, and we use that scripture. We use that technology
to defend our world views or whatever it is. So instead of keeping God
close to our hearts, yeah, we keep scripture close to our What did
Jesus say the Pharisees? You search of scriptures because you think that it is
in them that you have eternal life? When is they that bear witness at
me. That's right, Yeah, that's right. Uh Daniel, that's a
good one. People were witness to Jesus, remember him. That's the name
I took in Christmas. So it was really that's cool, man. I
won't take up anymore your time. I've enjoyed. I've enjoyed all of this.
I'm gonna can we real quick? Please don't get mad, did you?
Okay? There is a camera there? Yeah, I don't know,
son like this whole time. That's not actually a camera. It's just a
thing out there. And I've been talking to the wall. Dude, anytime
you want to come back on here and talk. And I look forward to
real quick. Let's plug your book because we didn't get to do that man.
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So dude, that's cool you and Sammy the Bull. You're on your
seventh podcast. Yeah, he's the guy that basically took down John Gotti and
the whole syndicate there. It's so funny. You talk about my dad,
but when we would go and see my uncle, we would always drive by
mary And Penitentiary and we and Dad would say, way of a John guy.
I'm not getting uncle Sam. He has a funny story that like because
he was stationed, he was sentenced to the ad X Supermax. Oh yeah,
where where Epstein was not at the same time. But okay, so
he's like, there's no way they won't let you have nothing, no way
killed himself. You can't even have a you can't even have a dowel.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Now Epstein, who's this, uh
professor whatever? Having about a mouth? Professor, Why don't we, professor,
drink your boomer fuel and get mad at bud Light and get mad at
Dylan mulvane and all this stupid stuff. And let's forget about Jeffrey Epstein taking
world leaders and CEOs and freaking Hollywood elitist to a island with little children.
Let's all just forget about that and move on and get mad at Jason Aldean
and guys, they did try that in your town. I just have to
let you know they tried it, they did it, and they won.
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