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Love Talk Radio. Welcome to Open
Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojash.

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Forgive me, but I love that
little tune from Kevin McCleod, some free

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music that he's got out there on
his website. Got to check it out.

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Hello from the Open Mind Studios.
That's right. If you notice that

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the sound is coming across crisp and
clear and it just sounds wonderful, that's

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because I'm using my new equipment here
at the Open Mind Studio. We're actually

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calling this studio one ten so we
can have a catchy, cool name for

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our studio. It's actually in week
one to ten. I'm not going to

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give you the rest of the address, so you can come harasses, but

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yep, that is what's going on
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In fact, you know, this
microphone sounds so cool. You might

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hear me talking bunny and stuff,
just because I like to take advantage of

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the wonderful microphone and it sounds like
we're on PBS radio here. Thanks for

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joining me Open Lines Radio. This
is all are anyway a couple things that

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I want to talk about as we
get started. First of all, the

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UFO Paranormal Radio network. I want
to thank them because they are syndicating this

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show on that station. Just look
up UFO Paranormal Radio and you'll see he's

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got something going on twenty four to
seven tons of great radio shows that he

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has going on there. In fact, I'm going to be on one of

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those this weekend at four pm,
and that's called I to the Sky with

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d Andrews. So she wanted an
update on what I'm up to and how

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Open Minds is doing and everything,
and we are really just getting stuff started

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in back. You know, I'm
looking at a guy here who's wiring some

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fiber in our studio. We've got
people drilling and doing all kinds of stuff

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around here, getting everything rolling,
and of course this is the first time

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I've been able to get everything set
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extremely exciting for having heated conversations over
how to do what, and it's just

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a lot of fun to be rolling
your sleeves up and doing some great work

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here in ethology. We've got Marizio
Bayada working on our magazine. Another great

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UFO researcher, Antonio Junaios, who
started this week, is going to be

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helping out with the magazine and other
stuff. And don't worry, I will

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definitely have those two gentlemen on the
show because they've done a lot of great

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research in this arena. However,
today's show is all about Project Camelot Carry

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Cassidy. You might have heard of
Project Camelot. People get excited about their

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interviews because on their website, Projectcamelot
dot org they've been interviewing a lot of

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whistleblowers. So they have you know, Bob Dean of course up there,

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but a lot of other people with
some just really incredible claims. So we'll

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talk about some of those and see
what he thinks. And people like maybe

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you've heard of Sergeant Clifford Stone.
I had him on the show, you

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so you know he was talking about
crash UFOs and checking those out. Dan

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Burrish, there's another guy with some
extraordinary claims about working for Majestic twelve and

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all of that stuff. John Lear, the son of the guy who made

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the lyrijets. You've probably seen him
talk before. Ali talks about you know,

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possible fights and secret bases underground between
Grays and military personnel. You know,

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they've had a lot of really interesting
people on, So we'll find out

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you know, what got her into
this, what she thinks about some of

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these interviews that they've done, and
why she thinks that. We're also going

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to talk about an exciting conference that
they have coming up called Awake and Aware,

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and that's in Burbank in a couple
of weekends. That's one of the

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reasons I wanted to have her on
because they're gracious enough to let some of

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our guys go out there and check
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help promote that and see what she
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start up a conference. This is
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In fact, we're going to have
another conference that I wanted to talk about,

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the UFO Info Weekend, and the
guy set who's running that, I'm

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going to call him up in a
minute so we can tell us more about

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it. But let's get into the
news, because there's been a lot of

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interesting UFO news. If you go
to We're going to have this up on

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the Open Minds website soon, but
right now, if you go to the

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UFO think Tank website, you'll see
all of the news if it comes to

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UFO Think Tank or Open Minds on
Facebook. You know, you'll be able

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to see some of this stuff too, but I've got links and this is

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stuff out I sent out on a
daily basis. Very soon we'll have this

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on our front page of Open Minds
dot tv. So we'll keep you up

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to date on breaking UFO news,
including I think I talked about this last

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week, but it's continuing to make
very big news. And that's Japan's new

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first lady claiming that she ethirically had
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some other planets around the Solar System
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So of course this is making news. She says her body, she was

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asleep, so her body within the
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an outer body type of experience.
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Japan, you know, not everybody. Some people are kind of thinking she's

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crazy, but a lot of people
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she's hip. You know, she's
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not so much. You can only
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something like that, good lord,
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making big news all over the place. You probably saw something about that,

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not as big of news making it
some of these other great stories such as

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a video another one coming out of
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know, got some news leaking out
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allnewsweb dot com website they posted a
video out of Saint Petersburg. This is

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exciting news for me because now I'm
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Denver and I was helping mister Jeff
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gentlemen who of course is working on
what's called the Extra campaign, and this

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is a campaign to get Denver voters
to vote on Denver actually creating a Commission

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on Extraterrestrials to look into the whole
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Well, even though a lot of
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he'll never get there and it'll never
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he's not getting the signatures, he
got the signatures he needed to get a

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little less than four thousand. He
actually got seven thousand. And they always

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say you need to pat it because
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people actually don't live in Denver,
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have you. So you always want
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that you've at least got four thousand
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on the ballot. So with seven
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You know, you're talking in the
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actually going to make the ballot in
Denver voters probably in November will be the

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ballot I'll put it on. Are
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an extra terrestrial committee. Pretty exciting
stuff. Once that happens and it hits

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the ballot, I'm sure this whole
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gangbusters and we're going to have a
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So that's really exciting, and that's
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is going to vote for this committee. Who knows, We'll see, but

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probably not. Of course, the
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never know. You might have seen
the Google logo out there. It was

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a UFO logo not too long ago, September fifth. You know a lot

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of people are wondering why the heck
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have the UFO logo? As they're
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a conspiracy. Lots of stuff going
on. Actually I hadn't heard that particular

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one, but I'm surprised I hadn't, because you hear about suppose Reptilian's owning

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everything. But actually I thought it
was because of Exeter, and because Exeter

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was a famous UFO sighting back in
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and even Kucinich had talked about it
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got kind of pegged for the UFO
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It was actually the anniversary of a
silly Japanese video game that didn't have very

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good English. And at the end
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all your bassars are ours, and
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rrs or something like that, and
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So luckily some people figured that mystery
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the UK UK as usual, they're
UFO crazy. They've got lots of stories

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up there. Latest they have a
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on there, and also another story
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had seen. That's what's great about
some of these UK stories. Some people

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are saying, well, the real
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I think that's pretty meaning. When
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about police officers, they're talking about
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at airports all seeing UFOs out there. And those are the type of people

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that we don't hear about, that
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the States. So these are the
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credible, So I think that's pretty
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stories coming out, and boy,
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of stories. There's probably been there's
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in the UK. And these are
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aren't in just UFO websites. These
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of these names a Daily Echo as
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normal papers that are out there.
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and I know, and I gotta
say welcome to all our cool UAUK

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visitors that visit the web chat and
everything because especially doing the show earlier,

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we get a lot of people from
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So thanks for joining guys. Other
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know there's some more good ones in
here. MSNBC. This is an interesting

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video that showed up on September seventh. MSNBC The Today's Show did a little

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thing on UFOs and it really wasn't
negative. It's kind of positive, talking

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about Wow, there's a lot of
people seeing UFOs out there, and they

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really didn't I don't think heavily went
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debunket like typically you have people going
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But yeah, they did a good
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was impressed. A lot of people
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doesn't pay attention, but if you
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talk about how the media has kind
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bit and taking this all this stuff
more serious, and that's certainly welcoming to

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see. Also China, a lot
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Essentially, what happened was there was
a mass sighting during the eclipse. Interesting

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enough and during the eclipse, some
people said they saw UFOs. Of course,

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people are taking photographs and they're videotaping
these eclipse. Unfortunately, we weren't

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able to see it here because we're
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but a lot of people took some
videos and pictures of UFOs, including some

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Universe these students. Now the government
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This video is supposed to be forty
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that and they say in twelve months. I don't know why it's taking them

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a year to analyze this video,
but they're saying in twelve months they're going

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to come back and they're going to
share what they've found with the video.

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They're all very excited about it.
Of course, lots of people in China

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are excited about it, but they're
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However, there are a few really
good videos, and just today, at

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least it's the first time I saw
it. Today one of these videos was

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released again. This came out on
allnewsweb dot com and again if you go

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to the front page of Ulfos Think
Tank, you'll be able to see these

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links. But it is a really
cool video. It's this guy's obviously got

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some great optics up on the moon. It's a beautiful picture of these this

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eclipse. And then all of a
sudden you see this kind of little dot

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moving across the surface of the Moon
just very quickly. And the Moon,

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of course is completely dark during an
the cliff, so you see this little

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light and you can tell it's moving
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goes along the curvature of the Moon. So very interesting video. Check it

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out. And that's the news right
now. I'm trying to get back into

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the chat because you guys probably chatting
away without me talking about cool stuff.

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And ah, looks like I'm back
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chatters today. Wonderful. Well,
let's go ahead and give a call to

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our good buddy Seth. And as
I said before, Seth is running this

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really cool conference called the UFO Info
Weekend in Florida Cocoa Beach. And what's

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great about Cocoa Beach, Well that
is in viewing distance of show launches.

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And in fact he's coordinated this at
the same time that there will be a

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shuttle launch. So if we're lucky, we're going to be able to watch

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the shuttle launch during this conference.
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too. It's not just you know, uh shuttle launching or a UFO conference.

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He's also brought in some movie stars. In fact, one of these

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celebrities is going to be our guest
next week on this show. I'm excited

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about it. Dean Haglin from The
X Files. He was one of the

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lone gunmen, the blonde one.
She's going to be on the show.

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And you know what, I'm trying
to dial people here and the number just

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isn't working. I'm going to do
my low voice again because this microphone picks

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up those low tones really good,
and it just sounds great. I'm darling.

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Right now, we're gonna get Seth
on the line. We're gonna talk

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about UFO. We can here we
go. Good morning, We're good,

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afternoon, organt evening. They're depending
on your time zone. Hello, well

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I'm in the Pacific time zone,
so it's about afternoon, late afternoon for

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me. Hey, how are you
today? Good? It's Alejandro of course

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at UFO Think Tank Radio. Thanks
for joining us. Set I was just

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telling the audience about your awesome UFO
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weekend, I forgot to tell them
if they go to your website and register

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and put in the promo of UFO
Think Tank, they're even going to get

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a discount. Right. Yes,
I'm actually just literally actually funny as listening

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to you and actually adding that on
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how's that for timing? Perfect?
Cool? Thanks? Well, I guess

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the first question I want to ask
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you're doing, right, correct?
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what I'm doing. But I've been
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year, to say the least.
Has it mostly been sci fi? Sci

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fi, fantasy, comic book,
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as well as paranormal. Yeah,
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I'm really big to anime. I've
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anime on a regular basis. And
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me, but I love anime.
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and you know, everybody might make
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it's actually more mature audience oriented because
it's actually a form of art and

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culture in Japan, right, and
it's always more Shakespearean in nature. The

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guys don't always win. There's blood, there's good, there's actual there's actual

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morals to the story, and it's
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like g I Joe, all right, they're so smart too. They're

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really intelligent, way more intelligent than
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don't play Kate to the to the
lowest denominator. They really challenge your whole

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thought process and and everything. Absolutely
and funny as this Japan is actually one

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of the is pretty much at the
forefront is the best way race when it

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comes to actually it's bringing the reality
of UFOs into their current culture and their

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lifestyle too. And they actually portray
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visual art as well. It's amazing
they were drawing blood triangles actually before we

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were even talking on them. Yeah, yeah, very cool. So then

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what decided what made you decide to
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had an own interest, my own
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own personal experience at one point in
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cannot explain Uh, don't worry.
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in the convention industry, and I
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convention in northeastern Florida, where I
jumped into someone who became a good friend

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to meet, Peter Robbins, and
he told me about some of the other

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conventions that are out there that also
deal with the UFO phenomena and how they

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currently do it, and you know, how the conventions are running where they

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are, and I realized that there's
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United States, even in the East
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that really catered to the people that
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to have some fun with it as
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sitting at the table and you know, sitting on the podium and talking and

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everyone was there listening and sitting in
tentping, but there's no real flavor to

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it. There's no you know,
it's a fun event in general for everybody.

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I've been to some of these events
and they're amazing, but I want

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to try something a little bit different
that also opens the door to a broader

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spectrum of people and get the word
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group. They normally wouldn't put their
feet in the water at this type of

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an event. So I'm sort of
not reinventing the wheel. I'm just putting

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skill, delt and radios on the
existing ones. Yeah, that is really

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cool. You know one thing I
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is really big, and Mike Cousin
told me, you know what, we

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should get a move on table there
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I was hesitant, but we went
and did that and it was incredible because

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we were probably one of the most
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I would say more than fifty percent
of the people that came to our table

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shared a sighting with us. It
was amazing. It's incredible. I just

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came back myself. The biggest fan
oriented sci fi, fantasy, horror,

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anime, and everything convention this weekend
at in Atlanta called Dragon Con. Are

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you ready for us? Seventy four
thousand to tendees over the course of three

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days or four if you want,
holiday day, taking over four hotels that

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all inter connects. It was amazing. Where was that the people in Atlanta

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at an annual event? It is
amazing. And the people that actually came

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over to the table and spoke to
me, I was full by their own

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stories and even photos they brought along
with them, funny as it is because

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most people carry their notebooks with them. I also was shot to learn how

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many people that are in Mufan stopped
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well from across the country. It's
a national event and everybody actually international.

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Everybody comes from all over the place. Wonderful event, and you know,

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I was set up there and it's
like, wow, it's really interesting,

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and everyone's like so cousy asked about
my event and coming out and actually getting

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the lucky being able to not just
see and hear these figures, but be

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able to even witness one of the
last few shuttle watches that are gonna be

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out there. How cool. I
know that's gonna be great. Now,

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how many people are you expecting?
Well, the fire Marshal is telling me

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that I could only have I'm gonna
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about twenty five hundred. Cool,
but based on current tracking, I got

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a funny feeling that there might because
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what we're gonna squeeze them in?
But I mean, come on,

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I'll explain the convention in a three
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UFO convention that is literally right outside
of Massa, and it is the weekend

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of a shuttle launch. And if
people actually visit our website, which is

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UFO info weekend dot com, you
can actually see the view from our beachside

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hotel of what a shuttle launch looks
like. From where we are, You've

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got a clear view of Pad thirty
nine A is stunning. Yeah. I

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am so psyched about that. That's
gonna be sweet. I hope it launches.

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I've never seen a shuttle launch,
so I am way excited. Yeah,

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we're gonna have to fix that,
aren't we. Definitely. Hey,

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I've got a collar on someone I
guess who knew you? And uh,

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let's say the jackal Are you there? How are you doing there? Alando?

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Good? How are you doing?
Oh? Well, you know my

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voice? My friend? How are
you doing? Seth quite fine? How

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are you doing? I am doing
great? Men? Long time and all

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talk. I haven't heard from you
in a few years. How you doing

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there? I am doing quite fine. I've been traveling the country and last

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I folking you knew I was doing
that, working in the convention and the

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sci Fi fantasy and our conventions.
Yes, indeedy And as they're you guys

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are working with Seth, You're in
good hands. He is a great gentleman

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to work with in the industry of
comedy con and the Collins good guy here.

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Who did you have a question for
Seth? Or you want to just

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want to stay yo? No,
I just wanted to actually say hi to

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the man. I haven't talked to
him in a long time, lost contact

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with him. Seth. Now you
on Facebook. As a matter of fact,

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after I had been shut down for
having over seventy five hundred people have

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personal friends to me, I just
last week resurrected my face. So yes,

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you can actually find me on Facebook. And everybody, by the way,

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is encouraged to actually go on and
you know, become a friend to

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me because I always tell people things
that are going on, and I also

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help people and network people together.
But if I have one friend looking for

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something, I'll put it up on
my Facebook page or I'll put an email

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out there so people get to play
along well with each other. Like if

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someone's looking for something and the other
one has it, I'll try and make

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the connection between the two people.
So absolutely, yeah, angel ad me.

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Yes, well, I'll send it
to him, make sure he has

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it because he's one of my buds
on there and on here. He's a

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cool dude. But yeah, let's
talk about more about the conference. When

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is the conference, more about how
they can get there. Who's going to

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be there? Okay, excellent.
First I'll tell you like I said,

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it's the ufosvention that is right outside
of NASA the weekend of a shove a

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lunch. It is going to be
November twelfth through the fifteen, and it

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is going to be this year.
Next year, we're also going to try

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and time it around the same time
of the year with the new whatever they

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have as the replacements that they'll get
into launch. Notice, we actually like

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to point that out there there's something
on the horizon. We just don't know

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what it is. They don't let
us watch the school launches the news staff.

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All right. Oh, by the
way, I see that he had

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I said your real name. I
didn't say your last name. I'm sorry,

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I'm looking. I'm looking at your
topic over there. Yeah, let's

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see the guest looks that we have
the short list of the speakers. Who

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you want the celebrities first? Can
you tell me who do you want?

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Let's do the short list with Yeah, and celebrities. Celebrities. We have

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actually all three of the Lone Gunmen
from the X Files, and it is

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a very rare thing that you actually
have them all together in the same place

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at the same time, and funny
as it is being Hagling actually does a

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really great comedy stand up comedy routine, which he will be doing at our

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Saturday night dinner, which is going
to be entertaining. We also have Billy

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West, who is actually Fried from
the TV show Futurama, who's going to

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be joining us. I don't know
if anybody knows who that is. I

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know I've seen love Oh. Actually, by the way, funny as it

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is three degrees of separation instead of
sixty degrees of separation like we just had

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with our friend who was just on
the phone. He was actually also one

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of the He was actually a Tan
Kay's voice in Men in Black and the

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animated series. Yeah, I read
that I didn't realize that. I didn't

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know that an animated series. Oh
yeah, it aired with the CW.

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The CW channel or network, I
guess, is what you would call it.

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We also have Spike Spencer, who
is in one of actually the most

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quintessential anime UFO Phenomena related movies out
there called Neon Genesis Evangelian. Oh yeah,

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that very yeah, and they just
they now actually rumor has it,

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so don't quote me on this,
but it appears Peter Jackson actually possibly needs

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might be doing something with that in
the live action format and it should be

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rather interesting. Well, these the
visuals are going to be done by Weird

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Studios, which is owned by him, So I mean the visuals of why

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action anime is gonna be phenomenal.
We also have Wally Winger that's gonna be

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joining us, who was one of
the primary characters in the Space Chimps and

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a couple of other movies. And
this guy, if you saw his resume

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of who he and who he's voice
and what his voice, he'd be like,

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I've heard that voice and I've heard
it too many times now on Also,

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we have actually sci Fried Radio.
I'm sorry not side fright, Radio.

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Scide Fried, the band that's also
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Uh, they're actually a musical parody
group that makes light of all sorts

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of science fiction as well as science
fact. The latest thing that they're most

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things for is just to make everybody
that's listening laugh. How about Bohemian Rhapsody

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in Cleon? Oh geez, the
music video is actually up on the internet

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and it is the most hilarious thing
that you could see. Peter, can

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I join him? Yeah? I
don't know if he speaks cleon. He

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looks more like a branga. Well, it's not that it's short, he's

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just altitudely challenged. You know.
That's all Now on the guest speaker side,

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as ancy folks, by the way, it's gonna be humorous. Well,

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looking, my tagline for the weekend
is you've seen the fictions, You've

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heard the fantasy, now really learn
the facts. So now I'll get into

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the lineup of actually the people that
are actually going to be speaking about the

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phenomena. Obviously, everybody has heard
of Nick Pope, who is pretty much

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the real Fox Mulder from the Ministry
of Defense. He's the guy who saw

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it all, knew it all We
also have Kathleen Martin, who is betting

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in Barney Hill's niece, who's going
to be joining us, John Carpenter,

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who actually focuses on the abduction phenomena
as well as doing some hypnosis stuff as

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well as actually just dealing with the
therapy and recovery of people who have been

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abducted. We also have to make
Red firm, I'm sure everybody knows,

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and he's actually also part of the
frame of information gathering that we've all been

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wanting, both stateside and overseas,
and he's now actually equipped well just as

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well. And obviously we have Peter
Robbins that you just mentioned, who is

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actually a great, great author,
a great lecture. He focuses on the

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ren Glstrom incident in the UK,
and obviously everybody knows Richard Dolan can't go

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along with him. And of course
the foremost person that everybody knows, that

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everybody recognizes is Sinton Freedman, who
will be joining us as well. Awesome,

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well, cool, great lineup.
What weekend it is going to be

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actually the November twelfth through fifteenth weekend, and again it's the weekend of a

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shuttle launch. And if anybody actually
from your show actually registers for the event.

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All I have to do in the
Cupon area is going to put in

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think tank and they will, actually, funny as it is, get ten

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percent off of their registration fee if
they are going to be joining us as

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a thank you for taking the time
and putting me on the interview. Yeah,

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awesome. Well I'm excited. I
K you're bringing me out too,

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and I'm gonna be joining some workshops
and panels, so you know, people

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got to come out and hang out
with us. Well, why don't you

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tell me what some of the topics
that you have set up for your panels

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are. I don't know yet.
I didn't. I don't, I didn't.

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We haven't gotten that far. See
I cut your run on the spot.

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There you did. But you know
what, anything and everything we talked

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about before, so I can take
it all? All right? It sounds

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good? Oh can I can I
just mention one other thing about our event

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also, go for it excellent.
If anybody here need some extra sources of

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funds, whether you're employed or unemployed, I know it's a hard economy out

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there. I actually had an affiliate
program set up on our website that people

406
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can register for and if they put
up banners, they put up links,

407
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or actually market us all on the
internet, they can actually be tracked,

408
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and you, as a representative of
our event, will actually earn a ten

409
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percent sales commission on the registration free
of anybody that you drive traffic from their

410
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website to us. If anybody's looking
for additional income and they are a fan

411
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of the phenomena or have had their
own personal experience, please feel free and

412
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register for our event. We will
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413
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an amazing time at the event.
You can even earn free flight, free

414
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food, free hotel. We have
some really great ways to get people to

415
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our event. And I think I
pretty much cover all the bases on that

416
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awesome UFO infoweekend dot com. Thanks
for joining us, Thanks for getting me

417
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:49.639
Dean Haglin on the show next week. And you know what, I don't

418
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.639
know if he'd have much to say, but Billy West, I mean,

419
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:58.199
I am such a huge fan of
Futurama, I think that would very Actually

420
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:04.159
he is a very very big conspiracy
theorist. Oh really, he's got some

421
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:08.440
interesting things to say, you know, to talk about. He's got some

422
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:14.800
interesting insights, especially since you know, being in the media culture and being

423
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:16.920
out there, he gets to hear
some interesting things and he actually, I'll

424
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:21.119
see what I could do. Oh
right, great, Well, I better

425
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:25.519
get my guest on the phone.
But thanks for joining us and we'll be

426
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:30.519
talking more about the weekend as it
draws near her and I'm really excited about

427
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:35.599
it. Not a worry. I
hope you have a great, wonderful evening.

428
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.079
And to all the listeners out there, no matter what times when you're

429
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in, have an amazing, amazing
weekend that's on the horizon. All right,

430
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.039
Thank you, sir. Someone asked, is Carrie Cassidy still a guest

431
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:50.639
tonight? Yes, she is.
In fact, I am going to get

432
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:58.039
my fingers busy right now dialing her
in because I am really excited to talk

433
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:01.880
to her, just as you all
are probably excited to hear from her.

434
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:09.679
And man, this my voice just
sounds so wonderful on this microphone, sounds

435
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:15.800
so deep and professional, and I
just love it. All right, the

436
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:22.159
phone is dialing my friends as we
wait to speak to the one. Hello

437
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:27.800
Carrie. Yes, Hello, this
is Alejandro with Open Minds Radio. Thank

438
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.639
you very much for joining us tonight. Oh well, thank you for calling

439
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.559
me. Yeah, I'm really excited. I think a lot of people are

440
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:40.079
really excited about your conference coming up, the Awake and Aware Conference. And

441
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:45.599
I guess let's start from the beginning
with you though. What prompted you all

442
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:52.159
to start Project Camelot? Oh okay, that's that's way back in the beginning.

443
00:36:54.199 --> 00:37:01.599
So yeah, Projectcamlot dot org is
our website, and Bill Ryan and

444
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:09.960
I got together about it's actually a
little over three years ago and decided to

445
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:15.880
put our skill sets together to start
Camelot. Both of us were dedicated researchers

446
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:22.239
in this field, that is the
field of conspiracies. I guess you might

447
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:28.800
say UFOs, anything that is sort
of unusual, like free energy, basically

448
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:35.000
trying to break through the matrix.
And so what had happened was I was

449
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:40.280
a frustrated filmmaker. I was working
in Hollywood producing, trying to put together,

450
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:47.079
as an independent producer films to get
made that were sci fi based.

451
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:52.239
And I was also writing screenplays on
my own and pitching them around Hollywood,

452
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:57.119
and I got the rights to The
Wingmaker's Story. A lot of people will

453
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:01.519
be familiar with wingmakers dot com.
It's got quite a cult following itself.

454
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:07.639
And I was pitching that movie to
people like development people who work for people

455
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:14.639
like Spielberg and you know, Ridley
Scott and so on, and getting turned

456
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.639
down, and having reached sort of
a glass ceiling, if you will,

457
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:22.960
in Hollywood, I decided to pick
up a cancorder just to consumer grade and

458
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:30.760
start attending UFO conferences and see if
I could interview these speakers and see if

459
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:34.840
I could make a documentary about the
subject, because I happened to know that

460
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:40.079
it was a very timely important subject
and it wasn't really being covered anywhere,

461
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:45.159
and at least in the mainstream,
and so that's what I did. I

462
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:50.719
started interviewing people with my camcorder.
And one of the people I interviewed was

463
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:57.559
actually my partner now Bill Ryan,
my partner in Camelot, and he was

464
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:01.199
at the time the webmaster for the
Sero Project. I don't know if your

465
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:07.800
listeners will be familiar with that,
but that was an purported alien exchange program

466
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:13.079
that went on during the nineteen sixties
with some astronauts, sort of like Close

467
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:17.639
Encounters, kind of a real life
Close Encounters exactly exactly. And so Bill

468
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:22.199
had volunteered to build the website and
he's quite He was very good at it

469
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:29.320
and became sort of a spokesperson for
that whole circle dot org rollout of press

470
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:36.519
releases and so on, and they
were anonymously based. And then so I

471
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:42.519
basically was going to attend the Laughlin
conference. I wrote Bill in email.

472
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:46.920
We were both part of Victor's List, which is a very sort of exclusive

473
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:52.360
list full of people in intel and
military ex military and journalists and so on.

474
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:58.440
And got in contact with Bill and
I said I was going to be

475
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:00.559
at the Laughlin conference. Could I
view him? And he said yes,

476
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:06.519
So I basically I interviewed him,
and during the interview I was very impressed

477
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:15.159
because as the webmaster for Serpo,
he was very balanced and not he didn't

478
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:19.880
take offense of any of my direct
questions. And I have I'm sort of

479
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.880
known now, I'm known for my
style, but back then that was just

480
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:28.639
the beginning. But I thought he
handled it very well and he was very

481
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.559
balanced and very intelligent in his answers. So we sort of hit it off,

482
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:35.000
and we went to dinner and got
to know each other, and then

483
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:39.679
we stayed in touch over email.
And then I went to Egypt with Jordan

484
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:45.159
Maxwell and William Henry on the tour
for the Solstice, and that was back

485
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:51.880
in two thousand and six, and
I took a side trip to England and

486
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.159
met with Bill and we went to
Tintagil, one of the homes of King

487
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:59.400
Arthur, and we both kind of
looked at each other and said, well,

488
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:01.880
how can we our skill sets together? We both went disclosure, what

489
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:07.079
can we do? And Camelot was
born right then and there, I have

490
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:13.440
to say, in one discussion we
thought of the name Project Camelot and that

491
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.000
was it. We from there didn't
even look back. We just uh,

492
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:22.840
we built the website and we went
out with my camcorder and we started interviewing.

493
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:28.159
The first witness we had with mister
X, who had come to through

494
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:32.119
Bill, who actually had written to
Bill while he was at the SURFO project,

495
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:37.880
uh, saying that he had a
secret, you know, story and

496
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:42.920
that he hasn't told anyone his whole
life. And he and Bill got to

497
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:46.119
talking and then we arranged to interview
him. Gotcha, and you know,

498
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:50.119
then answers the question I was going
to ask, how you came up with

499
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.360
the name. And it was with
the energy of King Author that the whole

500
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:59.079
thing got started. Huh. So
that's right, the Roundtable and the idea

501
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.800
that, you know, because we
are living in such a hierarchical society where

502
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:08.239
some people have power and others don't, that's one of the biggest models that

503
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:13.400
we really, we really wanted to
bring back to life in essence, the

504
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:20.039
Roundtable. And now I saw it. Wasn't there even some conspiracy rumors around

505
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.760
your name and that that was a
some kind of secret government project or something.

506
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:28.639
Well, it's interesting, how I
mean, I don't know why,

507
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:32.360
you know, maybe it's just a
quirky thing. I do know that basically,

508
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:37.960
Project Camelot was I think my idea, and the reason I thought of

509
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:44.760
it was because I had been writing
a screenplay called Project Moondust that was based

510
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:52.719
on a military you know, alien
recovery program that where they went around and

511
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:57.159
crashed vehicles and picked up aliens and
so on. And I had had written

512
00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:01.480
a spec screenplay called Project Moondust,
and I knew that the military had named

513
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:06.880
projects like that's what they do.
They always put project or a lot of

514
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.559
times before a name. At least
they used to things like Project Monarch.

515
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:15.760
I mean, there are a lot
of a lot of famous, uh top

516
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.840
secret names with the word project in
front of it. And obviously when we

517
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.920
weren't going to call it Camelot because
there were a million websites out there with

518
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:30.000
the name Camelot, right, So
to differentiate ourselves and also to bring in

519
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:35.800
that sort of military top secret angle, we put project in front of camelot

520
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:37.840
and that's how it was born.
Yeah. Cool. I think it's a

521
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:44.599
great name. And I guess unwittingly
there was some government project or secret project

522
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:49.840
game project Camelot. Yes, as
it happened, and they like, accuse

523
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.559
is this right? They accused you
all of being a continuation of that and

524
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:58.440
some sort of disinformation or something like
that. Yeah, they tried, well,

525
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.880
it was on rentstock, but someone
we don't think. I don't think

526
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:07.719
it was Rent's ideas so much.
Someone put him up to it. We

527
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:12.760
don't know who, because they put
an ananimous article on the on Rent's Well,

528
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.159
Rent took the article, but I
don't think he wrote it. And

529
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:21.719
uh, yeah, they tried to
draw parallels or some some strange things.

530
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:25.000
But but I have to say that
I don't know if people know us or

531
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:29.039
listened to our stuff, who are
listening to this show at the moment,

532
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:36.400
But all I can say is that
if anyone did there did real investigation on

533
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.239
us, they would know that that
was complete, completely false. Yeah,

534
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:43.960
it happened to everyone. I don't
know too many people in this field that

535
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:49.480
haven't been accused of being some sort
of government agent. So and it's,

536
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.079
as far as I know, most
of them are not true. Maybe some

537
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:58.280
of them, but who knows.
Hon. So you since then you've started

538
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:02.159
to you do a lot have interviews. You guys have done probably hundreds by

539
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:07.280
now. Huh uh, Yeah,
I guess you would say that. I

540
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:12.079
mean, what happens is that we
are we are self funded from the beginning.

541
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:16.639
Basically, I had a small inheritance
from my mother's passing, and then

542
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:23.320
we live. We lived on that
sort of a created camelot and went on

543
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:28.079
the road to interview people for about
two years and then ran out of money.

544
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:32.960
And then Bill's mother died and he
had a small inheritance for that and

545
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.800
that kept us alife for a little
while, and then we started asking for

546
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:40.719
donations and that was about I don't
know now, it's probably been about a

547
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:45.840
year and a half ago or more. And since that time we've survived on

548
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:51.480
really on donations. I mean literally
I wait to see if I can pay

549
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.760
my rent every month on donations,
and it sounds crazy and it is a

550
00:45:54.800 --> 00:46:00.920
crazy way to live, I have
to say. And that's Project Camelot dot

551
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.920
org, so people can go there
and check some of these interviews out.

552
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:08.719
Now, you probably have a lot
of shocking, you know, revelations that

553
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:13.719
come across in your interviews. But
what were some of the beginning one some

554
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:20.159
of the things that started to floor
you. Well, that's an interesting question.

555
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:24.719
One thing I have to say is
that we because we were researching this

556
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:30.159
separately before we met, both of
us were quite knowledgeable by the time we

557
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:35.639
started Camelot on. Once you kind
of get into this field, you go

558
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:40.800
down a rabbit hole and you start
discovering everything. And so almost nothing that's

559
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:46.840
come across our desks so much has
been so shocking. But what we have

560
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:53.480
done is we've gotten a lot of
verification for things we had maybe some clue

561
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:58.280
about, but we didn't know if
they were true. And that's where it

562
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.239
becomes very interesting. We were able
to, for example, I mean,

563
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:05.480
you could say, well is their
life on Mars? Well, you know,

564
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:09.320
we have a whistleblower, Henry Deacon, who has now known come forward

565
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:14.800
named Arthur Neuman or Newman, depending
on how you want to pronounce it,

566
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:21.800
and he has been to Mars through
what's called a jump gate or jump room

567
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:27.920
and basically encountered you know, there's
a government based on Mars. There are

568
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:31.719
on a Naki there and this is
his testimony. So you could say we

569
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:37.239
had the theory, but we didn't
realize we're going to actually meet somebody who

570
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.559
said he'd been there. And I
have to say that we've actually been contacted

571
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.920
by other people. I'm thinking of
one in particular who wrote to us who

572
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:51.639
had been in the military and actually
wrote to us that he had been on

573
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:59.480
Mars. But sometimes we have people
whistleblowers right to us and then something happens,

574
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.440
they get heard, maybe they get
contacted and stopped, we don't know,

575
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:07.159
but they just disappear. They'll they'll
give us some revelations and then they'll

576
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:13.079
then they'll disappear. But certainly,
you know, getting in touch with Henry

577
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:16.719
Deacon and meeting someone who had actually
been to Mars and was willing to go

578
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:22.320
on the record saying we had that
was probably the biggest revelation that we've had

579
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:28.719
now. And was this kind of
the stargate type of concept that some of

580
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:36.159
the stuff that like was talked about
in the Montalk project type books. Well,

581
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:39.800
it's a teleporting our you know,
uh, time travel sort of a

582
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:45.000
device, if you will. And
our new our new whistle blower Pete Peterson

583
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.840
talks about it in terms of what
they call the I believe it's called the

584
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:52.880
Tartists. It's like a phone move
that doctor was in the Doctor Who movies,

585
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:59.559
And I mean it's that sort of
thing. And and actually, you

586
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:05.119
know, I mean evolved races from
what we understand. And this is something

587
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.719
that Henry Beacon also told us early
on, which was because he'd known that

588
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:15.159
Bill was part of the SURFO project
as a webmaster. He said, well,

589
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:19.920
the way they were trying to say
that people the exchange program would have

590
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:24.000
happened using you know, a spaceship
of some kind, it was just not

591
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:29.840
accurate in his in his opinion,
based on his background, he said again

592
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:35.440
that they would have used more of
a of a jump gate technology to get

593
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:40.679
the you know, to do the
exchange program. So my understanding is also

594
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:45.880
that they use a lot of the
craft locally, like once they're on a

595
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:51.239
planet, they'll use craft and then
the other thing is that obviously they're they're

596
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:58.800
vehicles that are doing what's called super
luminal travel, so that they're moving into

597
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:05.760
faster than light light speed. Mm
hmm. So you're you believe that these

598
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:10.199
projects are You're you're certain that these
projects exist, these jump capes. Oh,

599
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:15.840
absolutely. In fact, I think
that I think we've just in Project

600
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:20.480
Camelot. I think that what we're
trying to do is paint the big picture.

601
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.320
So we don't drill down, like
we don't try to get interviews with

602
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:28.440
people on the same subject over and
over again, Like we're not going out

603
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:31.280
asking people have you seen a UFO
and you know, getting all their latest

604
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:37.039
abduction stories. What we are doing
is we are looking for pieces of the

605
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:42.800
puzzle so that we can get a
great overview of what is really out there

606
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:47.360
and what it is is being kept
from the people. And so I have

607
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:52.719
to say that time travel is one
of the most important key areas that I

608
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:57.920
would encourage any of your listeners to
go into deeply, because some of the

609
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:02.960
secrets revealed there have to do with
what kind of multi dimensional beings we truly

610
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:08.719
are as humans, and also what
the universe and what outer space really is

611
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:14.679
all about. I want to before
I ask some of the questions from the

612
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:17.039
chat one of them, and I'm
sure it's a question all of us,

613
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:21.639
you know, in this field space, and I want to I'm sure you've

614
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:27.119
heard it before. And this gentleman's
asking about extraterrestrials and demons, are they

615
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:32.159
demoned fallen angels and things like that? How do you answer that? And

616
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:38.039
what has your research shown? Well, there are, okay, there are

617
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:45.079
entities that don't take physical bodies except
to perhaps possess them. So there are

618
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:53.519
you know, non physical entities out
there and they're very real and they are

619
00:51:53.559 --> 00:52:00.239
affecting our time space. And then
there are you know, different levels of

620
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:07.440
development, different evolved beings, which
include what could be termed aliens, some

621
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:14.280
of which are very human in other
words on Naki for example that Zacharai Sitchen

622
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:20.360
writes about, they have physical bodies, they're not going around as as demons

623
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:23.800
so to speak. Then there are
other levels. I mean, there are

624
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:28.800
reptilians, there are grays, there
are I mean, there are so many

625
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:35.199
races. Clifford Stone said there were
fifty seven different people. Dan Beerschan only

626
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:40.880
talked about for one of those races
here were light beings. So there are

627
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:46.920
there are so many levels to reality
as we know it and to to the

628
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:52.239
hidden world. I guess you might
say that I wouldn't. I wouldn't rule

629
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:57.199
out demons as being very real entities. No, not at all, they're

630
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:01.519
real. However, I would say
that you know that aliens or most alien

631
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:09.440
races are not do take physical bodies
on some level. It depends what dimension

632
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:19.079
they're in. So essentially that phenomenon
could exist, but it doesn't explain everything.

633
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:23.599
Not every extraterrestrial as a demon or
an angel, not by any means,

634
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:29.239
you know. And again a demon
or an angel would be a discarnate

635
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:35.000
being, so then they can take
physical form, actually much more as an

636
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:40.639
illusion than a reality. But you
know that that would be a temporary state

637
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:46.599
for example. So getting back to
some of these other witnesses, and another

638
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:52.440
thing from the question from the chat, do you have like a verification process

639
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:59.880
where you try to verify some of
these witnesses and find out if they indeed

640
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:02.800
did work in some of these places
that they say they worked in. Yeah.

641
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:07.760
Absolutely. We First of all,
we between the two of us,

642
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:12.480
for those of you that you know
are familiar that you will know that we're

643
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:17.159
very different personalities and that's been our
strength. It's made it challenging at times

644
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:22.840
because we have very different viewpoints often
and we have to come to a middle

645
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.880
ground to continue our work. You
know, we have to come into an

646
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:31.280
agreement on things. But basically what's
really interesting is that we're pretty well aligned

647
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:37.039
when it when when Bush comes to
shove on those things. And yet his

648
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:42.400
background is much more science and my
background is much more art, and I

649
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:49.199
guess spiritual or metaphysics, metaphysical pursuits. So when you put those two together,

650
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:52.679
and and that isn't to say that
I don't have a science background,

651
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:57.800
because actually I have some science in
my in my background, but I you

652
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.320
know, by and large his experts
pieces in the science area. So that

653
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:06.280
helps us when we're evaluating witnesses and
the people that we do want to spend

654
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:09.679
time interviewing or talking to. The
Other thing is, again, because we

655
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:19.960
both have huge backgrounds researching, we're
able to substantiate whether somebody's saying something that

656
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:22.280
makes sense or has been out there
on the circuit, and if not,

657
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:27.679
if it's totally new, how logical
it is and so on, and the

658
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:30.800
other thing. And the other thing
we do a lot of is is cross

659
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:37.679
correlate information so that we can find
out whether if you get a lot of

660
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:44.000
different people saying that come from very
different backgrounds saying something is going on,

661
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:49.519
then it begins to become more likely. For example, if you get a

662
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.119
scientist and you get somebody who is
abducted and they both say there's a phenomena

663
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:58.719
that they came across and it's the
same, then you might want to sit

664
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.199
up and listen. So there's a
lot a lot of cross correlation. The

665
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:05.679
other thing is that we get to
know our witnesses very well. We spend

666
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:08.760
great deal of time with them.
Sometimes we go to their homes, we

667
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:13.639
get to know their you know,
people close to them. We also have

668
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:20.199
gone to places close to places of
business for various whistleblowers like Henry Eagans and

669
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:28.199
gotten to know some colleagues like for
instance with Duncan o'finnian. It's it's a

670
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:32.519
fascinating realm and and we we do
we do our homework. So sweet,

671
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.400
yeah, you're probably here. I
got a little bit of static on us

672
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:39.840
side. I'll figure out how to
fix that in a second. But hopefully

673
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:45.440
it doesn't distract you, but they
kind of so, which you know,

674
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:52.599
I can understand about the correlating people's
information. So when you hear from a

675
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:55.960
lot of different people something similar,
that gives it more substance. So use

676
00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:00.039
that kind of such as with the
jump gate type the thing. You've heard

677
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:07.840
about this sort of technology across the
board from different types of people. Yeah,

678
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:14.599
it's very interesting what we heard about
it from Henry Beacon. We heard

679
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:21.159
about some level of that technology from
Van Berish in regard to looking blast and

680
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:30.159
also you know, reverse the cylinder
seals and using that. We also have

681
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:37.280
heard from Pete Peterson, our most
recent witness in regard to that. So

682
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:42.440
again, these people come from vastly
different backgrounds. Their time in the military

683
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:46.840
industrial complex was very different, their
level of access is very different. So

684
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:52.519
it's very interesting when they both come
up with the same story independent of each

685
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:57.559
other. And actually when we got
that information from Henry at the time,

686
00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:02.159
he didn't know anything about Dan Rish
for example. And again Pete Peterson,

687
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:07.800
who we spoke to more recently,
he didn't know anything about Henry Deacon,

688
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:14.480
you know. And so again what
we have a project handlot is witness testimony.

689
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:17.400
Now that's a very specific kind of
thing. What we don't do is

690
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:24.840
collect hard evidence that people. Some
people are very into tangibles, you know,

691
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:30.039
like when they recovered I don't know
a part of the UFO from from

692
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:35.199
Roswell. That's a whole different dynamic, and that's not what we're involved in.

693
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:39.280
Gotcha. So you know one of
the people that you're mentioning and I

694
00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:44.559
think you have a lot of information
for and it's hard to come across information

695
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:47.440
on this gentleman, it's Dan Burish, and I was wondering if you could

696
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:57.159
explain to the listeners who he is
and kind of what his story is about.

697
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:04.239
Okay, well, that's actually going
down the rabbit hole rather far.

698
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.800
I have to say that there's a
tremendous amount of information out on the internet

699
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:14.760
about him, some of which is
not correct. And the other thing is

700
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:20.880
is that we have hours of in
depth interviews with him that I would highly

701
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:28.400
recommend to your listeners. But very
briefly, he was recruited by what's known

702
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:36.320
as as MJ twelve, who was
an organization to handle the extraterrestrial problem,

703
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:39.840
if you will, back in the
Truman administration and in theory started out with

704
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:45.199
twelve members, but now is a
much bigger organization also going in under another

705
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:50.840
name are a series of different names. Right now, it's actually called SLOT

706
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:57.039
from what we understand, it's called
Scion SiO, but prior to that was

707
00:59:57.079 --> 01:00:00.840
called Committee of the Majority. Prior
to that it was called ps PS forty

708
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:05.480
or something. I mean, it's
had many names, but basically it's a

709
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:12.760
it's a group of individuals that are
from the military industrial complex, also from

710
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:23.000
high level Illuminati groups and families and
they they they basically put offered to Dan

711
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:28.199
an offer he couldn't refuse, which
is something maybe through a lot of scientists,

712
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:35.280
talented young scientists, and he was
recruited as a microbiologist to work for

713
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:43.039
them, and he was brought in
on a sorry, I'm sorry for this.

714
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:47.280
I've got a call coming into the
background here, how to avoid that

715
01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:54.400
anyway, and he he had an
interaction with a with an alien who was

716
01:00:54.440 --> 01:01:00.239
recovered as one of the EPs who
were was on the Roswell I think it

717
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:05.880
was the Kingman. Yeah, not
Roswell, but the Kingman Crash. And

718
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:10.119
he was what's called the P fifty
two Orion, and he was alive,

719
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:15.760
he wasn't dead, and he had
had a skin problem and as a microbiologist,

720
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:22.000
Dan was brought in because Kayella actually
chose him, even though he wasn't

721
01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:27.360
one of the most highly qualified scientists
there at the time. The et Kayella

722
01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:31.000
took a liking to Dan and basically
wanted Dan to be the only one to

723
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:36.239
take skin samples from him. And
this was down in Area fifty one,

724
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:42.599
you know, the notorious underground base
in s four and so that's the beginning

725
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:47.519
of the Dan Brish story and from
there it just mushrooms into all different directions.

726
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:52.280
And again I highly recommend all of
our interviews with Dan Brish. Yeah,

727
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:58.320
definitely, he's very interesting. I
mean, I thought him at the

728
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:02.119
UFO Congress a couple of years so, being interviewed viewed by Rob Simone.

729
01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:07.159
And I've looked online and there is
a lot of info, but it doesn't

730
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.480
seem like a lot at least I
haven't been able to find a lot of

731
01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:15.039
the info that comes straight from him
as far as interviews and things like that.

732
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:19.079
There's a lot of stuff that claimed
to come from him, but I

733
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:22.360
think that it is a kind of
a little treasure you have there with so

734
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:30.639
many videos and direct interviews with dan
Berry show and very interesting case. Yes

735
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:35.360
it is, and there's a power. This is why Project Camelot really exists,

736
01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:38.239
is the power of being able to
be face to face with somebody who

737
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:45.719
is saying something about their experience and
really being able to evaluate what they're saying

738
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:51.960
by body language, by seeing their
facial expression, their emotional you know,

739
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:57.079
content and so on behind what they're
talking about. So that's that's something unique

740
01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:00.840
that you won't get if you just
read a transcript. Yeah, having met

741
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.960
and talked with a lot of these
people, myself, would this is a

742
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:09.079
question. I'd be kind of related
to what you just talked about. A

743
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:12.840
lot of these people when you meet
them and you talk to them, they

744
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:16.320
do have that emotion and you know, you really believe that they experience what

745
01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:21.719
they're talking about. However, when
you go back and you think about what

746
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:25.159
each of them had said, a
lot of the things that these guys talk

747
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:31.119
about don't jive. You know that
they don't exactly all fit together. How

748
01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:37.480
do you explain there or how do
you deal with that? Well? I

749
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:42.039
think it can be very complex.
In other words, that's a general question,

750
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:46.440
so I couldn't really reply to it
very specifically. I could say that

751
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:53.159
depending on what you're referring to.
Sometimes it's kind of like think about life

752
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:57.800
as you know it, and think
about how many disagreements that there are out

753
01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:02.440
there are Scientists don't even agree on
anything hardly if you've ever spent much time

754
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:08.079
with scientists, and what you find
is that it's kind of like a raw

755
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:13.280
scho mon situation in which even if
an event happens, I don't know,

756
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:15.960
a car wreck in front of your
eyes, you're going to have a point

757
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:17.679
of view. Everyone's going to have
a point of view, and they're going

758
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:24.440
to be slightly different now depending on
the I mean, if you throw into

759
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:30.920
that the fact that we have multiple
realities operating simultaneously. We have things like

760
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:39.599
time travel, we have things like
purposeful you know, aims like electromagnetic pulses,

761
01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:45.480
weaponry, scalar weaponry used to distort
our reality around us. And then

762
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:49.760
you have people who are perhaps in
an emotional state of one kind of or

763
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:57.079
another, or they have some religious
overlay in which they they've been taught something

764
01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:00.360
since they were a child and they
decide that everything has to fit into that

765
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:05.800
religious way of explaining the universe.
It means that if say an et comes.

766
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:11.039
Let's let's get this example. If
an et comes to visit you and

767
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:15.000
it's a gray and they they want
to abduct you, they're going to appear

768
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:18.599
to you because they can shape shift
into whatever they want. They're going to

769
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:24.000
appear to you as I don't know, mother Mary or or some you know,

770
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:30.000
some benevolent religious icon, like an
angel, for example, because you

771
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:33.719
believe angels and you don't believe in
aliens. So they'll they'll come to you

772
01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:38.559
in these in these forms, and
then you will be more receptive to them.

773
01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:44.400
They're not stupid, they're they're actually
extremely intelligent. Even even the biological

774
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:48.440
entities such as as some of the
grays are are. You know, they're

775
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:55.559
artificial intelligence. They're very very intelligent. They understand how to read what it

776
01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:58.800
is you want, what it is
you want to project into your world,

777
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:00.960
and what you will exp or what
you will you know, what will make

778
01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:05.679
you afraid, so and so forth. So throw all of that in there,

779
01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:15.639
and you really have such a hodgepodge
of perceptions among humans. And then

780
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:18.519
you have to add the fact that
most people are part of the matrix and

781
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:23.280
they've been lied to since they were
children, both by their parents, by

782
01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:27.840
the media, et cetera, and
how to interpret the world around them and

783
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:32.679
how to really see the world without
blinders on. It becomes a huge complex

784
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:38.920
puzzle. And that's that's really why
we exist and why we do Project Camelot,

785
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:42.960
because we're trying to break through that
matrix and we're trying to get at

786
01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:47.119
the truth. It's just very difficult, and so some people really do believe

787
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:50.719
what they're saying. They really do
believe that they saw us. And so,

788
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:57.920
however, what they really saw with
all the techniques of mind control and

789
01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:02.840
you name it might be fairly different, right right, Yeah, And you

790
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:08.199
know why you're talking about that,
which is kind of fitting, is you

791
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:11.280
know, I've got a couple people
in here who are, you know,

792
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:16.519
asking those questions about the demons,
and one of them is messaging me personally

793
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:19.880
saying, you know, how come
I bring up the name of Jesus and

794
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:25.360
I get kicked out? And I
certainly have not kicked them out of the

795
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:28.599
chat, and I've never kicked anybody
out of the chat or something like that.

796
01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:31.199
But like you say, at the
same time, you know, I

797
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:38.079
think when they're asking for openness and
people to be open to their concepts and

798
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:43.000
ideas. I think they have to
be open as well, and making sure

799
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:47.239
we don't have the blinders kind of
like you're talking about. Yeah, it's

800
01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:50.920
I mean, the universe is wide
open. We try to stay as open

801
01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:57.079
as possible. What we feel is
that we are basically, in a sense,

802
01:07:57.199 --> 01:08:03.679
investigative journalists, and so we're constantly
investigating these problems, these these questions,

803
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:10.519
and although we may get an answer
that seems to answer most things at

804
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:15.800
a certain time, what we've found
is that usually there's another layer. And

805
01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:20.880
as Richard Hoagland says, the lay
is different at every level. It's like

806
01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:27.199
the layers of an onion when you're
unraveling the questions of the universe, and

807
01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:31.119
so you really have to you know, it's a matter of being evolved.

808
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:38.720
It's a matter of recognizing your own
higher self and beginning to open up all

809
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:43.720
your chakras to being able to perceive
all the different levels and on revent are

810
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:47.319
you going to get really access to
the truth? Prior to that, you're

811
01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:51.000
just going to get versions of the
truth, but they'll probably contain some falsehood.

812
01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:56.520
Yeah, and that my question was
pretty general. But that does answer

813
01:08:56.520 --> 01:09:00.399
my question because you know, I
struggle that with that myself, where you

814
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:03.079
hear some person who you think is
very credible and you take their word they

815
01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:05.039
say, well, the grades are
here for that, and the grades are

816
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:10.079
here, and you hear someone else
who you think is a great who says,

817
01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:13.119
well, they're here for a different
reason. And all of these people

818
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:18.479
who seem to be in the know
have these different answers, so it's difficult

819
01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:24.479
to deal with them. And I
think your answer you did address that.

820
01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:30.239
One of the other things I'd like
to ask you about because I know that

821
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:36.079
you have a lot of experience with
the Wingmakers and I've read about them,

822
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:40.279
but out there, I don't think
a whole lot of people know what that's

823
01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:46.119
about. Could you maybe speak to
that. Yeah, The Wingmakers dot com

824
01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:51.159
is a multimedia website. It's created
by a person who goes by the name

825
01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:57.640
of James and I had the very
good fortune, both Bill and I to

826
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:02.279
interview him on camlot. He wouldn't
do a face to face interview. I'm

827
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:06.359
still waiting for that to happen,
believe it or not, but he doesn't

828
01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:11.840
want to go on camera. But
he did do a written interview with us

829
01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:15.560
in which we were allowed to ask
him everything that that came to our minds,

830
01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:19.880
and it was fascinating the answers,
and it actually ended up to be

831
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:27.279
a highly successful interview in terms of
the Wingmakers material, because I think we

832
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:31.640
asked the kind of questions that maybe
other people hadn't hadn't actually asked, or

833
01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:36.640
maybe not in that way. But
but Wingmakers is, as I said,

834
01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:43.520
James, he does not consider himself
to be a channeler per se, although

835
01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:51.479
he is in touch with the Lyrens
from the planet Lyra or Lera, however

836
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:59.279
you want to call it, and
he is he basically feels he's a he's

837
01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:03.279
a creator. He quite aware of
his own et lineage I think would would

838
01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:06.680
be the best way to put it. And so he's speaking for a group

839
01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:15.199
of people, beings that are from
another planet, from that were to too

840
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:19.039
many in many ways, our ancestors, but our ancestors going back, you

841
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:25.479
know, much farther back than say
be on an Aakey. And so they

842
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:30.520
come from a very positive point of
view, a very deep point of view,

843
01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:35.600
and and so they communicated a certain
amount of information through James, some

844
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:41.359
of which is put into music,
some is in art, that is paintings,

845
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.880
and the basics there's a basic story
that has to do with called the

846
01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:51.439
Ancient Arrow Project. It's an e
book and I believe it's available for free

847
01:11:51.560 --> 01:12:00.880
or by buying the first CB that
that that that of music and it partially

848
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:05.399
it's it's on the website. You
can certainly read the interviews with UH with

849
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:14.039
Nruda, who is I think basically
James in in you know, fictional UH

850
01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:17.720
mode UH. And and that story
is fascinating, and that's the story I

851
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:21.399
wanted to make a movie about.
It has to do with a scientist that

852
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:28.720
defects from the n s A and
who has come across UH. There was

853
01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:36.079
a discovery of a technology, a
small device that was left behind by what

854
01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:44.159
a race of beings called the Wingmakers, who did cave paintings containing coded information

855
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:48.640
and about our reality and about the
universe and about who we are, and

856
01:12:48.720 --> 01:13:00.640
also predicting or telling humans warning about
the eventual discovery of our planet and invasion

857
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:08.720
by basically a race of robots.
And so it's it's kind of a convoluted

858
01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:15.800
story. It's it's it's a wonderful
story. It has to do with basically

859
01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:24.039
reaching a certain degree of enlightenment and
and and it's just a fascinating story.

860
01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:28.479
It's like a mystery, and in
many ways I think it's put into fictional

861
01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:32.680
form, but it is actually I
think based in luck to a large degree

862
01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:39.000
on fact. M Yeah, we
had some local people, some friends of

863
01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:42.760
mine when I lived in Denver that
that met, and I never had a

864
01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:45.640
chance to meet up with them,
but I had been to the website and

865
01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:50.760
it is beautiful, all the art
and everything, so something to check into.

866
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:55.600
People. So with all of these
interviews and all of the stuff that

867
01:13:55.680 --> 01:14:01.800
you've been doing, you guys decided
to put on a conference. Exactly well,

868
01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:05.920
I was, I have to say. I live in southern California,

869
01:14:06.039 --> 01:14:11.039
about forty miles north of LA and
I think it was on a Sunday and

870
01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:16.600
I was just laying on the beach
and this friend called me and suggested that

871
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:23.000
we do a conference of our own. And I don't know why he was

872
01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:27.359
doing that or saying that. At
the time, we were being invited to

873
01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:34.600
conferences to speak and certainly some friends
of Bill in the Swiss ground Crew.

874
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:40.399
We're thinking of doing the Zurich conference
at the time, but I hadn't really

875
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:45.239
thought of doing one in La or
in the LA area until this person suggested

876
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:48.439
it, and it's true that we
had quite a following. We have quite

877
01:14:48.439 --> 01:14:54.319
a following. So we've had i
mean, more than nine million visitors since

878
01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:58.279
in the last over three years that
we've been in operation, and we get

879
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:04.279
huge amounts of people to our side
every day, so we've really grown and

880
01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:11.720
it just seemed like a great idea
to bring together our whistleblowers and other you

881
01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:17.479
know, Camelot witnesses is what I
call them, and all get together and

882
01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:24.840
basically have a sort of a wonderful
meeting of the minds and also educational opportunity

883
01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:27.880
for people to come and listen to
these people and meet them in person.

884
01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:31.880
And so that's exactly what we've got
going. And it's going to be on

885
01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:39.239
September nineteenth and twentieth, which is
a week away, and on the eighteenth,

886
01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:43.399
that night we'll have a meet and
greet in the lobby for people that

887
01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:46.880
just want to come and say hello. Basically, it's at the Burbank Convention

888
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:55.319
Center Marriott Bourbank Marriott Convention Hotel and
Convention Center. I guess it's the official

889
01:15:55.399 --> 01:16:00.000
name. And so we have a
website. You can go to our website

890
01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:04.640
and click through to the actual conference
website where you buy the tickets, if

891
01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:11.000
you just scroll down and look for
it's called Awake and Aware in LA and

892
01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:14.880
again it's a Project Camelot conference.
And there's a poster there. You'll see

893
01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:19.079
it sort of like a picture of
UFOs and it says Project Camelot and click

894
01:16:19.119 --> 01:16:23.960
on the poster and you can get
to the website. And the actual website

895
01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:32.159
url is a Projectcamelot dot org slash
Awake and Aware and the end is spelled

896
01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:38.520
spelled out A and B, so
there's no spaces or anything. Awake and

897
01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:43.319
Aware and then then just go to
that website and you'll be able to buy

898
01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:46.439
tickets. We're also selling tickets to
the door. They'll be twenty five dollars

899
01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:51.000
more at the door, so I
encourage people to buy them online prior to

900
01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:58.640
the morning of the event. We
are having some fascinating people, Bob being

901
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:02.760
David Wilcock. We have Pete Peterson, our recent whistle blower, will be

902
01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:09.239
speaking. Duncan o'finnian he's the super
Soldier for those of you that then know.

903
01:17:11.079 --> 01:17:16.600
And Miriam Dellacado, she works with
She has a relationship with the Tall

904
01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:25.640
blond Ets and also works with indigenous
people, trying to bring them forward to

905
01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:30.560
speak to the world at this important
time period that we're entering into, which

906
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:33.720
is sort of like a shift,
very important shift of consciousness that we're all

907
01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:40.159
undergoing that started a couple of years
ago really and is going to go until

908
01:17:40.199 --> 01:17:45.640
around twenty seventeen. It's kind of
a window that we're entering. And then

909
01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:50.520
I wanted to ask because you guys
definitely are getting pretty popular or have been,

910
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:55.359
and I think people are pretty excited
about your conference. I mean,

911
01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:59.000
it seems like every time I go
to a conference or a MoveOn meeting or

912
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:01.199
something, people are saying, did
you see Project Camelot, Did you see

913
01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:04.079
through the Bed? You know,
a lot of talks. So I think

914
01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:08.239
people are really excited about it.
And one of the questions I like to

915
01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:11.720
ask is what do you think makes
your conference, you know, special and

916
01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:16.439
unique, different than the other UFO
conferences let's say that are around. Well,

917
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:20.359
I have to say, because it's
Project Camelot, were and because we've

918
01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:26.279
been out there and you know,
we have our the witnesses we bring to

919
01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:30.119
the four are a lot of them
are whistle blowers. There will be some

920
01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:34.119
whistleblowers in the audience. We're also
having you know, people like Jordan Maxwell

921
01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:41.439
and Bill Eagle will be wandering around
talking to people as well. So there's

922
01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:45.800
a kind of a community that's formed
around Project Camelot, and that makes it

923
01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:50.439
a lot different kind of a vibe. Bill and I are also very open.

924
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:55.199
We tend to you know, socialize
a lot, network with people.

925
01:18:55.279 --> 01:19:00.720
Were will be around and about constantly, so it's kind of a whole different

926
01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:06.439
vibe. It's not like it's put
on an official way. It's really much

927
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:13.640
more of a place where people can
come and really explore and get into the

928
01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:16.720
depth of these questions. There's just
no question about it that Bill and I

929
01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:21.880
are absolutely dedicated to finding out the
truth and to bringing whatever it is forward.

930
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:27.560
And one of the things that happened
to us recently we were on stage

931
01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:31.479
in Barcelona and Henry Deacon and I
walked on the stage at the end of

932
01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:39.319
Bob Bean's talk about Mars, and
Henry revealed for the first time that he

933
01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:43.479
was a person who had been on
Mars and had worked in black projects.

934
01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:47.640
And basically the people on the stage
who were organizing the event told us,

935
01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:54.079
you know, to leave, to
get off stage and here is a what

936
01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:58.039
you would think is the most important
revelation that's ever you know, hit a

937
01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:01.640
stage anywhere at any UFO conference,
and they didn't. They didn't feel the

938
01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:09.800
crowd was ready. And so that
perception and that perspective of the conference goers

939
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:14.079
you were not going to get at
a conference that we put on. You

940
01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:17.520
know, uh, we are.
We are basically ready and willing to consider

941
01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:25.119
almost anything, right, Yeah,
And I mean just I can see their

942
01:20:25.159 --> 01:20:28.600
perspective in a way because I've put
on conferences and stuff, and you know,

943
01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:31.159
you have a lot of people approaching
you with a lot of interesting things

944
01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:36.880
to say, and it's hard to
get everybody up on the stage to say

945
01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:43.359
their thing and try to run something
organized at the same time. Yeah,

946
01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:46.199
for sure, I mean that's best
totally understandable. But in this case,

947
01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:50.319
it was going to break. You
know, people were yelling they let them

948
01:20:50.359 --> 01:20:54.920
be, let them be all this
kind of thing, and let's hear them

949
01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:59.319
talk and so and so forth.
And Plus Bob Dean and Henry Deacon are

950
01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:02.720
both our witness is. We were
invited to the conference. We were not

951
01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:06.840
asked to speak, but we were
asked to handle a panel discussion, which

952
01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:12.199
is on the web on disclosure.
So it's not like we were just running

953
01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:15.520
the mill people in the crowd,
if you will. In our project Camelot,

954
01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:19.199
we did have a very important revelation
that was completely pertinent to Bob Dean's

955
01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:26.319
presentation. He was showing bases on
Mars some amazing impressive photographs that I don't

956
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:30.439
think I've ever been seen before.
So, you know, you really have

957
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:34.439
to realize what kind of world we're
living in right now, and you really

958
01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:39.039
do need to be ready for anything, and sticking with some sort of old

959
01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:42.479
fashioned rules, rules and regulations is
not going to get us through to the

960
01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:47.359
next, uh, to the next
paradigm or the next you know, revelation

961
01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:54.399
revealing the truth and we all of
us are being sort of stretched at the

962
01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:59.000
moment, and uh, it's a
very interesting arena that we're entering in terms

963
01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:01.800
of consciousness. Yeah, there seems
to be that there was a lot of

964
01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:09.159
excitement at that Barcelona conference. Yes, absolutely. Well, another one,

965
01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:15.600
if you're really interesting whistleblowers, who
you're talking about, who is also speaking

966
01:22:15.199 --> 01:22:19.199
at your conference, like you mentioned, is Duncan Opinion the super Soldier,

967
01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:24.079
And wow, you know, he
has a lot of things to say about

968
01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:30.800
and you can correct me and elaborate, but things on psychic warfare, and

969
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:36.279
even if I if I'm not mistaken, he talked about changing his own molecular

970
01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:44.840
structure to be able to walk through
walls and things. That's absolutely correct,

971
01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:48.600
he you know, and this is
this is actually just the beginning of the

972
01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:54.680
subject. The subject of super soldiers
is a very hot topic, I have

973
01:22:54.800 --> 01:23:01.239
to say. And Duncan apparently we
understand from another their secret source that Duncan

974
01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:08.640
was actually the prototype on the human
level for what appears to be a robotic

975
01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:15.239
race of super soldiers that are being
developed and that are almost indistinguishable from humans.

976
01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:23.680
And therefore there are things like Terminator, the Terminator movies. Movies are

977
01:23:23.720 --> 01:23:30.279
a great tool to to discover the
secrets that the powers that be don't want

978
01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:32.359
you to know, at least they
won't tell you to your face, but

979
01:23:32.399 --> 01:23:39.920
they will reveal them in movies.
And and so yes, Duncan has you

980
01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:45.119
know, has a lot of skills
and abilities that were that were actually built

981
01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:49.600
into him and and going through walls
is one of is one of them.

982
01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:54.439
I mean, these are things that
Yogi's if you want to look at it

983
01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:58.960
from that point of view also have
had these kind of skill sets. The

984
01:23:59.079 --> 01:24:01.239
question is whether or not that,
you know, the powers that be are

985
01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:10.560
basically trying to train and create sort
of a superhuman that is capable of just

986
01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:14.319
about anything. And on the one
hand, I think we all want to

987
01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:17.840
be superhumans. I think that that's
not unusual, and I think that there's

988
01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:21.359
nothing wrong with that. At the
same time, you know, whether you're

989
01:24:21.359 --> 01:24:28.239
going to have a race of fighting
machines so to speak, is a whole

990
01:24:28.319 --> 01:24:31.800
other matter, and what kind of
society we're going to live in. Yeah,

991
01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:35.920
that's why I think it's fun about
you know, X men and heroes

992
01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:40.119
where it's like, what would you
do, you know, if you had

993
01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:46.119
a superpower? And all the struggle
they have with that exactly. It's actually

994
01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:50.079
not science fiction, it's more science
fact. At this point, I think

995
01:24:50.079 --> 01:24:55.239
a lot of people are going to
be interested because I remember when you all

996
01:24:55.279 --> 01:24:58.680
interviewed him and there was a lot
of buzz around that as well, and

997
01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:01.439
so I think a lot people are
going to be interested to hear it from

998
01:25:01.800 --> 01:25:06.079
uh, you know, be able
to hear him live and directly and possibly

999
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:10.880
interface with him. So I imagine
a lot of people are excited about that

1000
01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:16.560
absolutely, you know, it's it's
it's a really exciting opportunity again to meet

1001
01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:20.880
these people. Another person that'll be
there is Rich Dolan. He's going to

1002
01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:27.880
have his second edition of UFOs in
the National Security State. He just finished

1003
01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:32.199
his second book. Rich Dolan is
an incredibly dynamic speaker, and his evidence

1004
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:40.680
for the cover up is so just
it's incredibly persuasive and and well documented.

1005
01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:45.640
And he's just he's an he was
a Rhodes scholar, and he's just an

1006
01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:53.520
amazing historian. And he's also a
very compelling speaker. So, you know,

1007
01:25:53.640 --> 01:25:59.600
it's really fascinating the kind of people
that we have there at the conference

1008
01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:02.880
again, which is going to be
a week away, and I just encourage

1009
01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:10.680
everyone to come on out. We
have room for eight hundred people and a

1010
01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:14.600
day and it's going to be very
exciting. And Bill and I are going

1011
01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:19.039
to be doing one of our presentations
as well, and Bob Dean will be

1012
01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:26.319
there, and George Green and David
Wilcock and Marcia Schaeffer, who is Bob

1013
01:26:26.359 --> 01:26:31.159
Dean's wife but is a e t
uh. She she's a contact beee in

1014
01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:36.840
her own right and works with executives. Believe it or not in helping them

1015
01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:45.239
develop their own sort of how to
interface with the world as we know it

1016
01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:53.000
in that conventional reality and their careers
and and and also put together that with

1017
01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:59.439
whatever et experiences they might have had
or or opening awareness or or beginning of

1018
01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:04.840
consciousness that they're they're achieving at the
moment. So there's there's a lot to

1019
01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:12.640
draw from. Alfred weber Is is
the person who coined the term exopolitics,

1020
01:27:13.039 --> 01:27:17.560
and he's got something of a visionary
and a wonderful man, And it's just

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01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:20.760
there's just no limit to the kind
of things that are going to be talked

1022
01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:25.319
about at this event. It's going
to be We're also having live music on

1023
01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:29.600
the Saturday night, so there's that's
going to be thrown in. It's just

1024
01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:31.560
going to be a lot of fun. Yeah, And I think that is

1025
01:27:31.600 --> 01:27:35.479
a niche, you know, a
whistleblower conference. It's kind of what you

1026
01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:40.239
might call it. And uh,
that is certainly something different, which is

1027
01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:45.239
probably something that is needed. And
it should make for a really good weekend.

1028
01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:48.520
So I know a couple of our
guys here with open minds are going

1029
01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:51.760
to be out there and I can't
wait to hear back from them, and

1030
01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:57.399
to hear their experiences and everything.
So it's a great, great service you

1031
01:27:57.479 --> 01:28:00.319
put together. And I mean,
man, if you want to see a

1032
01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:06.279
lot of interviews, can get a
lot of mind blowing information that will hopefully

1033
01:28:06.399 --> 01:28:14.119
open open up your perception. Just
the number of videos you have is overwhelming

1034
01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:18.720
at your website, Yeah it is, and we just we just released a

1035
01:28:18.760 --> 01:28:24.800
new one actually called It's a Future
Talk that we shot in Barcelona with our

1036
01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:29.159
whistle blower Henry Beacon, who's on
camera and people can see him, you

1037
01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:35.520
know, alive, even shows his
kingbrid All right, well the audience didn't

1038
01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:39.640
hear that, but we did.
You know, on our headsets we can

1039
01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:45.439
hear robotic British lady detail us.
There's ninety seconds left, but thank you

1040
01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:49.560
very much for being on the show. Projectcamelot dot org is where people go

1041
01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:55.520
can go to look at your information
and to also see the awaken Aware conference.

1042
01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:59.039
So thank you very much for being
on the show. Thank you so

1043
01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:04.520
much for having me. All Right, well, if you all could hear

1044
01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:10.079
the little British girl in my ear, she is telling me we are out

1045
01:29:10.119 --> 01:29:15.439
of time unfortunately, but like I
said, next week, next Thursday,

1046
01:29:15.039 --> 01:29:19.680
seven days from today, it is
my payday, which makes it even more

1047
01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:26.720
exciting and wonderful. We'll have Dean
Hagland from the X Files, one of

1048
01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:30.600
the Lone Gunmen, and I'm real
excited. He's not just a celebrity,

1049
01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:33.279
he's also been researching in UFOs for
a long time, so we're gonna have

1050
01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:39.520
a lot to talk about, So
be sure to be there and I will

1051
01:29:39.560 --> 01:30:26.079
talk to you all soon. Adios
Muchaco's Yeah, I land back Down called

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get Back Day that I land Bat
called getting back backda