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What is rack alacket hard anopsis?
I am damp Alley coming at you with

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a semi immediate Rudy Gobert trade reactions. That just happened. That was a

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that was a thing. Apparently.
I did not see Rudy Gobert ending up

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in any way, shape or form
with the Timberwolves. We knew that they

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were kind of kicking the tires on
pairing Towns with a big, which again

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I think it's fine. He's played
with a big in the past. Towns

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gives you that maaluability, so you
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try this out. It was just
a stark opportunity cost excuse me, to

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get my duction a row here,
and I think that's where we begin.

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Let's just go over the trade details
very quickly. So they're gonna give up.

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The Wolves get Rudy Gobert straight out
has about four years one seventy left

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on his deal. The Jazz are
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round picks twenty twenty three, twenty
five, twenty twenty seven. They are

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also going to get Minnesota's twenty twenty
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they get a twenty twenty six pick
swap, which is a fairly big deal

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here as well. So that's that's
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and they're not done. They got
Walker Kessler, he was drafted twenty second

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overall. Just now. They also
get Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverly's expiring contract,

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Jared Vanderbilt two years left on his
deal, he was very good defensively

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last year, Super team friendly contract
right now, and then Leandro Balermo.

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The dollar for dollar matchup here is
just basically even, and so the Wolves

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they don't really get any closer less
I'm mistaken here too, the tax line

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or anything along along those lines.
What they can do now is still use

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the biannual. They used most of
their mid level. I believe they're all

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of it on Kyle Anderson. Not
having Vanderbilt there I think makes the Kyle

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Anderson fit even better. You have
him and Jaden McDaniels. So that is

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something to consider. This is about
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gonna start to Timberwolves because they're the
team that's taking a huge swing here.

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I didn't think Rudy Gobert was going
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you're giving up essentially control over five
of your first round picks, but

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four of your picks for sure,
and trading out draft picks as far as

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twenty twenty nine. I think I
mentioned this on another pod. You definitely

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were emboldened to make a move like
this once Karl Anthony Town signed his five

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year extension. This is just a
lot to invest in two bigs in today's

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NBA, and it's not I'm not
mister you know has to be small ball.

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Everyone needs to be a force basing
five. Karl Anthony Town's the beauty

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of him is this ken absolutely positive
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during the regular season it's probably going
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Wolves having a top ten defense,
end offense, maybe even better both ways

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there as well. I mean just
having Kyle Anderson Jane McDaniels on your team

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that's going to help you with on
the perimeter defensively. Anthony Edwards got better

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there as well, and then Rudy
Gobert just behind them. I'm not as

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worried about Karl Anthony Town's defending fours
or wherever they're gonna stash him. He

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probably struggled most as that primary guy. If you're going to force him to

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go after someone who can set a
bunch of screens, roll hard to the

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basket, play super physical Ruegobert,
or if you're asking Karl Anthony Towns to

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make all these difficult decisions away from
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after guys who are attacking the lane. Rugobart's just better built to do that.

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And I think he's received a pretty
shitty knock when it comes to oh,

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he gets played off the court or
he's not switchable enough, he just

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didn't have help in front of him
in Utah. I think even the base

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that's in front of him in Minnesota
is already better than what he had in

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Utah. Ask you years, like
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and even just Anthony Edwards to have
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Jazz really just didn't have. So
I'm actually not concerned about the fit defensively

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that much. I think Towns will
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I still think there are a lot
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person isn't It's not that that person
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Their role is not going to be
just as expansive. And I'm sorry,

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I'm reading a comment that came through. I'll throw those up on the board

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if you have questions and you're straggling
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them at me. So I'm actually
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then when you're looking at the offensive
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this is why he's amazing. He's
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can put the ball on the floor. He can work out the post if

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you want him to, but he
doesn't need to. And that's going to

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allow you to let Rudy Gobert be
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of actions. I wouldn't be surprised
if we're just going to see dual big

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pick and rolls at some point with
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think he's improved both as the ball
handler at a pastor that much to fuck

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it, try it. Rudy Gobert
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I don't know what this means for
D'Angelo Russell. That would be something

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to consider but there is a pathway
to where if the you know, the

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Wolves are willing to pay for this
team. I don't know about moving forward,

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but next season you don't have to
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know you want to turn some of
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He's earned that right. But we
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Towns, and I think that matters. This was that's the Towns is giving

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you two luxuries here that I don't
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his extension, so you were emboldened
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to worry about his future. And
the fact that he's so functionally malleable,

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appliable on offense, and just so
dominant that allows you to go after the

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Rudy Gobert acquisition, where I start
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It's not morbidly curious. I'm more
so fascinated by what's going to happen here.

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Just the money that's not just but
one of them. That's a lot

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to allocate to the front court.
Right now, in the final year of

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Rudy go Bears deal, which is
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or is that two Thy twenty five
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you're gonna be paying about one hundred
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That's just a lot to allocate to
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they're both sort of in your front
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impacts their approach to team building from
here out. You definitely want to have

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as many just like switchable defender types
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surround them by three point shooting and
a capable ball handler. You already have

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a lot of that in place.
I think you could stand to get more

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of that. Patrick says, with
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able to move off the Delo contract. I don't actually think the Dealo contract

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is a problem, Patrick. It's
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you know, not always great in
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thought he was actually really good for
Minnesota overall, and that he was toggling

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between sort of two different offensive existences
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and they still need Look, I
love Anthy words. I think he is

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going to eventually be the the engine
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time, like, if you're Minnesota, you want to still have the primary

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playmaking type on this It wasn't gonna
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You have a secondary guy in Kyle
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Russells, so he's still really important. Note to what you're gonna do,

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and I just as a as an
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with them keeping him. Paul.
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we get to the Jazz, but
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with the Wolves, So there's there's
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Are they less likely to keep dealing
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through the season, but definitely after
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look at this and you have Edwards
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a different type of of playmaker there
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is something monitor And then the other
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that's where it could get rough,
where opponents are going to be better and

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they're also going to be have more
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you can kind of go after them
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you can't really play Karnalthy Towns and
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where teams are maybe looking to downsize
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They're not going to go away from
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know, in a regular season game
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back to back, but in a
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to get there, that's something you
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Anthony Towns defend Furs and then even
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Gobert on offense? And I saw
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on Twitter. Do you have the
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stretch of tight games. It's not
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could be. It's you have a
ship ton of money tied up in this

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player. Are you willing to make
that call if it's best to have Karl

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Anthony Towns as your loan? Big
we're getting ahead of ourselves there, but

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I think there's a pathway to this
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regular season. Like I said,
it didn't surprise me if and I might

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even be putting. I don't know
what the ceiling is, but it feels

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like a sixtieth percentile outcome on this
team next year, if the current personnel

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kind of sticks and they remain healthy. Is a top ten defense with a

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top ten offense, and that's where
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think you don't have to worry about
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The players you gave up. Beasley
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last year, still sort of valuable
spacing. I'm not a huge proponent of

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Patrick Beverley. He was definitely a
culture tone setter there, but Tim Connolly

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clearly didn't give a fuck and he
just personally he look. I hope Timberwolves

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fans are man. Patrick Beverley just
annoys the hell out of me. Still,

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the players they gave up, just
Jared Vanderbilt was really good, but

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between Kyle Anderson and Rigobert, like
you've made up for that now and you

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were never gonna play I don't even
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Kyle Anderson together, so and Jared
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year. You could point to the
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well. He can play on off
It's not it's not going to be a

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problem on offense. If anything,
the Timberwolves get a little bit better depending

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on how you feel about their perimeter
talent. Just because Rudy Gobert is one

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of the most devastating screeners and lob
catchers in b MBA. I don't know

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what's going to happen. How many
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think the offense is just going to
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feel like they have a higher ceiling
maybe on defense than offense now, just

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because you have Rudy who's like a
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you know, free throw line below
he just can take care of and that

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frees you up to do a whole
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And he's also just has more guys
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can be active than he did in
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that's gonna end up being a home
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bit, you know, could the
Timberwolves now use more shooting? How much

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are they playing Kyle Anderson together with
Rudy Gobert. Can Jane McDaniels even hit

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a higher and even a higher cup
of his threes but shoot them in a

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higher volume? Those are just you
take those concerns a vacuum, but weighed

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against the opportunity cost of all those
picks. It's a risk. I respect

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it. I don't necessarily indorse.
It's nothing that I don't endorse it.

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I don't think this was a gross
mistake right now, but it has the

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potential to really go belly up.
And if I were the Timberwolves, we

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don't know how accessible this was.
I probably would have preferred to dip my

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toe into these waters by saying,
like, hey, can we get a

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Miles Turner and try him next to
Karl Anthony Towns, Rudy Gobert. Better

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player overall, much better player,
transcendent defender. I think Turner doesn't receive

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enough credit for we know he was
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out in space when you look at
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He's just as limited, maybe more
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him as a screener and a roller
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trust him to shoot threes, and
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to see him put the ball on
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to see or post up, just
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put the ball on the floor or
really post up. Wellam Verlaine, if

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I'm it's sorry, he says.
Kyle Anderson already improved the offensive ceiling,

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especially with some very bad play decisions
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Memphis. Yeah, definitely hurts their
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just from a spacing perspective, I
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see they have the rest of their
roster and kind of figure out and they're

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still they can use the bi annual
too, and there might be some shooting

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floating around out there that would be
This would be a fun as hell TJ.

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Warrantine if he is healthy. So
again, I don't I don't think

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this was a bad trade. It
has the potential to go belly up I'm

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more risk averse, though, and
I know you need to take big swings.

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I just wonder if there was sort
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Towns and Miles Turner would both shoot
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if you said that they traded for
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investment on the contract, or a
yaka Peardle who has one year left,

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let's deal with the Spurs. I
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them. And maybe look, Tim
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that's his guy. If you really
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a bad move. It's not hard
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to where I might have considered or
more heavily explored the lesser alternatives just to

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see, like how it looks on
defense. But maybe you just trust Gobert's

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defense that much and we're going to
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If you have any other questions about
the wolves implications of this, feel free

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to hit us in the chat really
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to give them their due time.
I gave like ten plus minutes to the

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Timberwolves. Here, Paul Freed asked, how far has you tat dropped in

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the defensive rankings with a rookie head
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O'Neil either. I'll just point out
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again put him in like a more
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apologize that. I mean to correct
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good. I think that Brooklyn,
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well with that trade. I'm gonna
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to see what the rest of these
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the Jazz roster right now, their
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Patrick Beverley in that order. So
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be great. We have to see
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not going to be the the only
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I'd be shocked. Let's put it
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you even look, they were if
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comparison, but they were the best
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court, and yet you still finish
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points allowed per possession, per cleaning
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they are outside the bottom ten right
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they've overachieved just with just with that
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Conley slipping Donovan Mitchell, does he
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defense after having that might have been
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past season, to the point where
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entire time, and that's a fun
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one, and they're just like,
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defender. Now. I'm if the
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rating, they've overachieved with this person. Maybe they make other moves or Jared

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Vanderbilt turns into his own defensive Player
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back to the timber Wolves, Christian
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loss, but there should be able
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combination of Vanderbilt and Beverly better skill, they can guard the one to four.

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I don't love that comparison just because
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Patrick Beverley, I think, and
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but he has the same when you're
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yeah, I could see a little
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caffeine took bodily form. That is
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Jazz. Though Wode said, or
it's been reported they plan to rebuild a

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retool, whatever the fuck they're calling
it. I don't care about the orbags

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there around Donovan Mitchell. I have
been on the record and I would still

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maintain it doesn't make sense for Donovan
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so much time left on his contract
that you're taking any leverage you have completely

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out of your hands. I think
next summers at the earliest that he could

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do that. And if you're him, you didn't like Rudy Gobert to begin

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with, and maybe you're a little
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unquestioned guy. And let's see where
this thing is headed. Knowing what Danny

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Ainge did in Boston when he tore
them down again, there are other moves

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that really need to be made.
And as John John Doe says in the

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chat, so og and bad and
three unprotected first for Donovan Mitchell. That

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would be interesting for Toronto. But
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He's neither six seven nor with a
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I think I think they feel like
they're gonna be very uh, he's not

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big enough. I'm sorry, I'm
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but yeah, so I don't know
if this is going to be a

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complete do over for the Jazz,
but you absolutely have to consider it,

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even if it's three build around Donovan
Chell. They have the All Star Game

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next year, which is why I
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they moved Mitchell now, just as
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the one too. I guess I'll
phrase it this way. I'd be less

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surprised if Donovan Mitchell tries to agitate
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Utah just actively decided under their own
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That being said, I do wonder
their stomach for tearing it down around

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Donovan Mitchell, because they are like
if the Lakers just came knocking and said,

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and it's almost a perfect salary match, We'll give you two swaps twenty

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six and twenty eight, twenty seven
and twenty nine first outright unprotected and Russ

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for Conley and Boyan Madanovitch. If
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Why wouldn't you do that just because
there are distant picks, but like you

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have imminent picks now too, so
you take those distant picks and you sort

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of just continue to stockpile. And
it's what Danny Ainge did when he was

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with when he was with A Boston
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John does make a good point with
Utah that they did just trade both of

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Donovan's friends. Yeah, they're not
resigning Eric Paskell, and they got rid

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of Royce O'Neill, but that's Donno. Mitchell is still just under contract long

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term and you can probably sell him
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Dwayne Wade there for a reason,
I imagine, and are giving him such

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a voice for that. I honestly
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look as of right now, doesn't
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Utah, Like that's just long term. If you're the Jazz, though,

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maybe he's giving you a chance or
you've been able to. He has to

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be informed of this. I don't
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going to walk away. Everyone around
the league knew that that was going to

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happen. So maybe they sold him
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him. And this is just a
way of drumming up the ask. And

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speaking of which, if Rudy Gobert
got this much, how much does Donovan

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Mitchell get? Even if you think
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is younger, operates from the point
of attack, more desirable, and on

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top of that, I don't need
to turn everything into Kevin Durant, But

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if Rudy Gobert got this much,
what the hell is Kevin Durant going to

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get in trade discussions? Digressing there. So I don't know what this means

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for the Jazz, but clearly Jordan
Clarkson, who, by the way,

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the fact that he loves to be
in Utah, I almost don't want to

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move Joy Larson if I'm the If
I'm the Jazz, are you getting a

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first round pick for him? I
actually don't think you would. He's not

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somebody who's actively gonna hurt your rebuilding
chances. The vibes I get from him,

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how much he seems to really love
being in Utah. Use that guy

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as like your cultural benchmark, Like
make that make that guy, Make that

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guy. Sorry, my phones are
going off. Make that guy you're your

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guy. He'd be a low key, good free agent recruiter. But yeah,

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I think, look towards what mort
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you trade everyone except I guess Mitchell, even if you're gonna keep him,

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should not be untouchable on this roster. It's Clarkson, It's it's Mike Conley.

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What can he still get you?
It's Boyon Madanovitch going into finding your

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of his deal Clarkson, and I
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believe Clarkson's gonna pick up his player
option next season. They're gonna be teams

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that probably want to take flyers on
them. Those are the three pieces,

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three really players. I hate referring
to them as pieces. Sorry, those

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are the three players to really watch
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He does have that fat guarantee on
the second year. There are two years

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left on his contract and fourteen point
three million of his twenty four point four

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million or guaranteed. I think teams
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him Playabardonovitch, Jordan Clarkson, like
those are Those are players I would expect

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at least one of them to be
rerouted if they all start the season in

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Utah, I will actually be That
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I don't John Doe, I don't
know if you're a Jazz fan because you're

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very receptive to the West portraye.
But that's that's how you should be thinking.

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I don't know if that's on the
table, but you have to be

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able to get I would think if
you're giving up players who can actually play

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for the Lakers and Conley and Boyan, it's not just a matter of swallowing

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Russ's salary and you can get it
even the two first outright, I'm trying

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to get as as many pick swaps
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not accounting for Utah's new players here. So they have Leak Beasley, they

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have Jared Vanderbilt, they have and
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Antoine has. They have Patrick Beverley. I don't I think those are all

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trade candidates as well. Beverly is
on the expiring contract. Leak Beasley has

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two years left. There could be
a team that's when they take a flyer

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on him. If you're gonna kind
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it does make some sense to keep
Donovan Mitchell and then just a fuck ton

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of shooting, and that's what they
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you look at Mike Conley, Boyam
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model. You still need to like
change up your front court depth fear that

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was always an issue. But now
you have like Jared Vanderbilt, and then

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you know Rudy Gobert. How many
minutes is he playing on this roster right

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now? So then know Ken be
traded again. So the Jazz are over

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the cap right now. It's like
he is one unless I'm mistaken. I

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do fancy myself really knowledgeable the NBA
CBA, But I don't think he could

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be aggregated for a while. It's
not that long like you could do it

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before the season begins. I believe
that he or he could just be traded

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on his own. I don't know
if a team is gonna give you a

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first round pick for him, maybe
a contender who really wants defense and it's

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a you know, top twenty protected
or or something. That's the route they

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need to go though, if they
are planning on being competitive, is can

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they get some defense in here,
even just you know, more truer wings.

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At this point, I thought about
and I felt about him a lot

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for every team like Josh Richardson would
help out the Jazz a ton if they're

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if they're looking to like actually remain
competitive around Mitchell. So that's a name

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that they could look at. I
don't know what you give up to get

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him. The Spurs are rebuilding themselves, and I'm not giving up a first

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for I'm not giving up a first
for Josh Richardson definitely not if I'm the

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Jazz, but I I'm so curious
to know where their direction is and if

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it's if it's not tearing it down
around on Mitchell. This is really a

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retooling, which I find it funny
when front offices phrase it that way through

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the media. What what does that
look like? Because like, there are

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more moves to be made here,
and I think the only assets that I

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think you get positive value for in
a trade aside for Mitchell right now after

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moving Gobert is Bojan Bogdanovis might be
the only one for me. It's nineteen

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six is a big number for him, but it's his last year and he's

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just he's bigger than Jordan Clarkson.
I'm a more efficient three point shooter.

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Clarkson gives you more off the dribble
pizzazz, So I guess it's one of

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them. But like, I don't
think Malik Beasley's deal is viewed as favorable

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around the league right now, especially
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It's reasonable. Look two years,
thirty two million basically left a team option

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on the final year. I forgot
about that, so he's basically expiring.

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Wow, the Jazz really drummed up
their flexibility here. I did not.

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I for some reason. I thought
Malik Beasley had two years left on his

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deal that were guaranteed, so that
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But now you can move these players, and I think it's for other assets

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or you. Like I said,
they're all useful. They didn't get a

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single player here who's just dead money. Did they do this to maybe open

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up, like any minutes for nick
Ki Alexander Walker. No, because that's

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not the player you traded. You
didn't have some big man prospect in waiting.

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You have Jared Vanderbilt has this path
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and that's it. Like that's the
only thing that you've really opened up

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here, which is why I think
it makes the rest of their off season

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fascinating. I would be curious,
though, what you could get for Beverly,

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if anything, he might become a
mid season buyout candidate for all I

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know. But again, if you
are trying to remain competitive, having Beverly

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off your bench behind Conley and Mitchell, like it makes some sense. My

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gut would tell me though, that
they don't go into the regular season with

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Mitchell Beverly, Jordan Clarkson, and
Mike Conley on this roster. That's just

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when you also have Malik Beasley,
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That's just a lot of like non
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So they've opened up a ton of
cap space moving forward. Utah's not a

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free agency destination. YadA, YadA, YadA. We've also kind of seen

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and I think this is what this
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and then the Jazz is future.
I think we've so seeing that players

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aren't going to hit free agency like
they used to. They're gonna sign their

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extensions and then figure out a way
to be moved later, or the teams

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are just gonna move them later.
Anyway, we've seen it just a bunch

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of times now with the way extension
eligibility has worked. Maybe that changes in

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the next CBA, but for now, the way to get players is via

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trader through the draft, and so
if you're a team that's not going to

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be bad enough in the draft all
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be your best option, which is
why you're compelled to give up so many

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picks in my opinion. By the
way, I'm not trying to spew this

401
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:36,039
all as fact. All right,
this is too far interrupting. John Doe

402
00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:37,759
says Gobert is awesome for basketball ninety
two. No, Gobet is awesome for

403
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:41,440
basketball. Now, if you have
the right talent in front of him,

404
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,480
I think the Wolves are gonna do
a better job of making him look great

405
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:48,519
than the Jazz did in certain instances. Even though the playoff minutes are concerned

406
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,960
just with what does towns do on
defense or how does that work on offense?

407
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:57,680
I think that's too strong there,
John Doe. But so your Minnesota,

408
00:25:57,839 --> 00:26:00,519
you're not bad enough still, you're
not good enough to contend for a

409
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title as is, but you weren't
bad enough to be like, oh we

410
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,279
can trust, weren't good to be
in cornerstone territory. For the draft,

411
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that leaves trades if you don't expect
players hit free agency, and also as

412
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Minnesota, that leaves trades anyway,
because you're never this hot button free agency

413
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destination in the first place, which
is why you are compelled to go have

414
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somebody picks. Now for the Jazz
is part, you're flipping Rudy Gobert for

415
00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:23,720
either bites at the draft apple because
that's how you believe you're going to get

416
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,440
Donovan Mitchell's cole star in the draft, or you're just loading up for the

417
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,480
future because maybe you have to go
all in one of these days and make

418
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this type of trade. So that's
where that draft equity. It seems like

419
00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:38,680
I think it was forgetting the name. On Twitter, someone tweeted this out

420
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,599
that if it was Neil Payne said
he feels like first round picks are being

421
00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:47,799
thrown around the NBA sort of like, can't I mean fair enough? John

422
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:51,680
Doe says he wouldn't rock and John
Doe and eighty two, Yeah he would,

423
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,000
he'd be great, but he's great
for basketball. Now, it's my

424
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:56,119
point. All it's all good here. I'm not I'm not trolling you,

425
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,960
I swear. So. I think
that's why we're seeing picks thrown around so

426
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:04,279
much. It's like trades were the
best mechanisms to get players right now.

427
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And the Hall for this on Rudy
Gobert, when I think a lot of

428
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:10,160
look, they are Bulls fans.
You should have seen if you didn't just

429
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,279
trade proposals that were coming out of
Bulls fans, bulls, media, just

430
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,480
smart MBA people who thought it was
like Vougin Williams and minimal draft equity because

431
00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:19,599
Gobert had one one hundred and seventy
million left on his contract. That's not

432
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:25,799
a great contract. But like,
unless the Timberwolves were bidding against themselves here,

433
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,559
this leads me to believe that there
were second best bids that were at

434
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:33,640
least like if not in the vicinity, but more than we thought Rudy Gobert

435
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,880
was gonna get in general. So
I think the Jazz did well here if

436
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,519
they are actually looking to rebuild rather
than retool around Mitchell, because I don't

437
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:44,640
want to necessarily see them turn around
and trade these picks for another player.

438
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:51,119
That type of player doesn't seem like
he's he's available. JB Jay Buzzy Brown

439
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,440
says, at least everyone will see
how shit Mitchell is now. I don't.

440
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,599
I mean, I don't think Mitchell
is shit. I've seen it going

441
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,480
around that there are some think Tyler
Hero is gonna be better for him,

442
00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:02,519
or would be better for Utah than
mind Heat Uh strike a trade. I

443
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,559
don't see it, like I just
I'm pretty high on Tyler Hero, but

444
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:08,759
I think Mitchell's a damn good player
who needs to get better on defense,

445
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,720
probably needs to make more strides as
a passer. But when you look at

446
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:18,440
the multi level shot making he gives
you, that's that's huge, and it's

447
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,880
it's just like he's someone he's the
archetype of player that I think a lot

448
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,079
of teams would want to build around
right now. Which is why I think

449
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,880
the best example of this would be
if you if you went to the Knicks

450
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,839
at this moment, I guarantee you're
getting a least four first round picks for

451
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,839
Donovan Mitchell, even though they just
signed Jalen Brunson, and that backcorp would

452
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,400
be a disaster. If they played
it together, probably would be fine offensively,

453
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,160
but it would be a disaster otherwise. That's the value he's going to

454
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,160
have if you if if you offered
this is the best offer that he can

455
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,079
give for Donovan Mitchell if they figure
out a way to unprotect that pick from

456
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:52,319
Okay, see you offer nikol Yovic
and then three future first two thousand and

457
00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:55,920
twenty three, two thousand, twenty
seven, two twenty nine plus Tyler Hero

458
00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:59,079
So those five assets right here,
plus Ducan Robinson. I think that all

459
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:02,880
makes the money work. If you
went to Miami right now and offered that

460
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,799
for Donovan Mitchell, they were one
percent accepting that. That's how good Mitchell

461
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:11,400
still is. And I hopefully he'll
get better on defense. Will that happen

462
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,039
in Utah? Will happen next season? I honestly, I don't know,

463
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:18,119
but this is we're talking about someone
who's at worse like a fringe All Star,

464
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:22,079
and he's more All Star than not
to me. Paul free did ask

465
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,599
joined the stream late. Is Gobert
plus Kat on the floor going to be

466
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:26,880
an issue for perimeter defense? So
yeah, I did. I don't want

467
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,559
to repeat myself there too much for
people who actually listen to this as a

468
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,799
podcast, but I do believe they'll
be fine during the regular season, because

469
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:37,000
when you look at fours in the
NBA, sometimes they can still be like

470
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:40,640
these playmaking wings that they've downsized or
playmaking bigs, but a lot of the

471
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,000
times they don't have as functional a
role as the center or an actual wing.

472
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,319
And so I point to this might
be an extreme, but look at

473
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:52,319
it John Collins, where when he's
playing with Capella, another big, he's

474
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:55,440
going to be doing a lot of
spot up work. He's not even a

475
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,160
primary screener. That's stuff that cat
can handle. Even if it's Harrison Barnes

476
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:03,559
in Sacramento. If it's not someone
who's gonna be moving a crap ton without

477
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,920
the ball, Towns is probably gonna
be okay with that. Now, if

478
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:10,720
he's on Keegan Murray and Kegan Murray's
flying around more as Sacramento, those are

479
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,880
going to be issues. I'm really
curious to see what that looks like in

480
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,200
the playoffs though, when teams are
going to be more inclined to manipulate their

481
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,279
lineup in substitution patterns based off matchups, and they have more time to dig

482
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,720
into each individual matchup, and what
happens if you do face this is going

483
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:32,000
to be a regular season problem too. What if you face extreme downsizing there?

484
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,640
Rudy Gobert is not going to get
played off the court if you have

485
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,440
let's say two of McDaniels, Edwards
and Anderson on the floor in that situation.

486
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,759
But what does that mean for Towns? It could be an issue,

487
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:44,759
and I do think it could also
be an issue more so in the playoffs.

488
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:48,440
But crunch time offense, are you
willing to maybe go with only one

489
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,839
of those guys instead of both,
that would be that would be something that

490
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:53,000
they have to look at. And
I don't know if you're you know,

491
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:59,000
if if you're the Wolves, I'm
not sure that you trade Rudy Gobert and

492
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,079
extend Corry Towns of the intention of
ever having to bench one of them down

493
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,720
the stretch. But it's something that
you could realistically need to consider. And

494
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,400
I think that's really like, that's
the gist of this for these two teams,

495
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,119
and they're both headed in different directions
and this was their best opportunity to

496
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,680
capitalize on said directions, and I
think it's it's more important. I think

497
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,559
the stakes are higher for Minnesota here
because teams can sell rebuilds. If you're

498
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:26,680
Utah, whether it's rebuild, it's
retooling, and you still haven't even exhausted

499
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:32,319
all of your asset wells just yet. But like for the Timberwolves, this

500
00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:36,200
is this is the hand that you
played. Unless you think that the Angelo

501
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,039
Russell is going to get you a
big time return on the on the trade

502
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:42,960
market, You've punted on cap space
in the future, which again is fine.

503
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:48,799
Anthony Edwards is gonna get paid Karl
Anthony Towns was already paid. They're

504
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,920
like Rudy Goberts. I'm gonna tell
you right now, Rudy Gobet is way

505
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,559
better than anyone else you would have
signed with the idea of cap space in

506
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:57,519
twenty twenty three. That's just that's
how free agency is working now. So

507
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,960
I get what Minnesota doing, but
the risk here feels like it's it's on

508
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:07,559
them way, way, way way
more than it is for Utah. And

509
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:09,759
I don't know what to predict for
Utah. Now. I almost thought that

510
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:14,519
them going, you know, detonating
it with smoke and mirrors, and I

511
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,839
kind of thought they would make moves, but they wouldn't go nuclear. They're

512
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,079
on the precipice of going nuclear.
I mean, trading your best player or

513
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,200
second best player probably counts as nuclear. It's it's seismic for sure. But

514
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:29,200
what happens from now is this We're
going to see how much they're planning on

515
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,160
retooling versus rebuilding, not just what
happens with Donovan Mitchell, but what happens

516
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,440
with Conley Boyan mcdonovitch, Jordan Clarkson. And then, like I said,

517
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,920
the fact that you still have Molik
Beasley, Patrick Beverley, those guys,

518
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,400
I think Vando like just keep him
at this point. That contract is so

519
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,000
good. You need someone who gives
a fuck about defense on this team,

520
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,960
and Patrick Beverley does too. But
I would be kind of surprised if he's

521
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,839
going to finish the season in Utah
as well. So I think this trade

522
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,960
easily justifiable for both sides to sort
of put a ball on this. If

523
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,160
there any other questions, is there
are a bunch of people here, throw

524
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,920
them in the chat and I'll stick
around for a few more minutes. But

525
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,920
I like it for the Jazz because
they they I think they were stale,

526
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:13,160
and so if you weren't going to
be able to acquire another star, do

527
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,559
I think if they messed up,
I maybe not going all in on different

528
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:19,839
sorts of trades than trying to hit
these like doubles or triples they got Conley

529
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,519
like they did eventually make it the
fact that they could never address their like

530
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,960
defense at the three and the four
capably, that's definitely something to hang up

531
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,839
on. But you were stale,
you needed to shake things up. If

532
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:32,079
this leads you to trade Donvan Mitchell
or just rebuild around Mitchell, fine,

533
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:35,559
Now if you're trying to straight on
the line. This is where I would

534
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,200
take issue if you think that these
picks are the avenue through which you can

535
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,839
just go and trade for more players
and be good with Mitchell. I don't

536
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,359
think Danny Ainge thinks that way.
And Windhorse, Brian win Horse is now

537
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:49,359
a legend for what he said on
first take about how the Jazz operated this

538
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,759
season. It's not something I thought
about. But when you have party there,

539
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:58,480
you you clearly showed that you were
more about the bigger picture than the

540
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:00,440
immediate and so I do think that
this is more of a rebuild around Mitchell

541
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:06,799
or eventually after next season, independent
of Mitchell. My light went off here

542
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:08,719
and I don't have the I have
a plug here that I actually plug it

543
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,159
back in, So I'll plug that
back in very quickly. Please excuse my

544
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,960
face leaving the frame. Di Dave
men ask what are the thoughts about this

545
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,760
evolving into a fourteen trade with the
Sons and the Pelicans? What are the

546
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,559
Pelicans doing in this trade? If
if you want to get back to me

547
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:28,119
with that, I don't know if
you're trying to fold it into a DeAndre

548
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,360
eight and sign in trade, it
is it gets weird. There's all sorts

549
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,000
of moving parts here, and the
way for anyone who hasn't thought about base

550
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:39,679
your compensation effectively. If the team
that is getting eighten, so let's say

551
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,599
Utah is maxing out eighten as part
of this deal, eighten counts is thirty

552
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:50,639
point five million dollars in incoming salary
for Phoenix's purposes, though he only counts

553
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,199
for half of that in salary and
now go only salary so they can take

554
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,360
back up to let's say, like
I think it's like nineteen ish million million,

555
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,559
it's a little lesser, a little
bit more than that. I have

556
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,519
the number written down my spreadsheet,
but fuck it. So it's a little

557
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:07,599
lesser, a little bit more than
that, and he's getting thirty and you're

558
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,000
not dealing with two other teams that
have any real cat flexibility. We're also

559
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:14,599
with this was an even money trade
basically at the moment, there's not a

560
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:20,519
ton of flexibility there. You would
have to expand it, and I don't

561
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:22,599
like, is there a chance?
Yes, But I think I don't know

562
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:24,400
why the Pelicans would be involved.
Like I said, if you want to

563
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,920
comment again on what the actual structure
was for you, I also, look,

564
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,320
I'm just gonna say to this.
I see Paul Freed said, Utah

565
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:37,119
gets Eighten and then there's a three
team trade where Brooklyn sends Da to with

566
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:42,199
with Brooklyn that sends Da to Utah. So you're saying Utah, Brooklyn and

567
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,559
Phoenix striker trade that's more feasible.
I'm just gonna call it right now.

568
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:52,079
I have no no idea why Utah
would go from We don't want to pay

569
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:54,760
Rudy Gobert or four years, one
seventy, but we're okay going a max

570
00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:00,639
thirty point five million on DeAndre.
That just doesn't make my life back,

571
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:02,760
Tom, Please forgive me. That
just doesn't make any sense to me.

572
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,880
So I think the any I know, I think it was John Gambadoro,

573
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:08,840
who has plugged in Phoenix said that
the Jazz have interested in Eten. That

574
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,519
would shock me, and I think
it would be stupid to just go Max

575
00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:16,280
out Eton right now, Chris Meyer
said, I'm assuming this is in reference

576
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,559
time when many picks Minnesota gave up
first round picks in the twenties have about

577
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:23,119
a three percent success rate. I
don't know if that's accurate. I understand

578
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,199
that we over romanticize first round picks. But you're also assuming that the Minnesota

579
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,840
Timberwolves are going to be a top
ten NBA team right now through twenty twenty

580
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,599
nine. That's not It's not maybe
Towns as young, Edwards as young.

581
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,360
But like you're we're talking, these
picks go out past Rudy Gobert's prime.

582
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,960
That's where that's where the risk is, and then there's risk on the actual

583
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,239
pairing. This isn't a no brainer
fit. I think Dejanta Murray is probably

584
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,519
a cleaner fit in Atlanta with Trey
than we know about Rudy and Karl Anthony

585
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:57,000
Towns. I think Towns and Gobert
of the higher ceiling together but also have

586
00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:00,280
the lower floor. So that gets
really weird. Not think Aten should end

587
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,920
up and you thought that would be
just I don't. I don't get it.

588
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,400
Like, so you have Mitchell and
eighton, that's the thought. And

589
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,480
I suppose you've turned Rudy, Gobert
and other picks. So you go out

590
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:15,320
and then get depending on what Atan
costs you, you then go out and

591
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,480
get other guys to make the team
better. Immediately, if you told me

592
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,039
what are the subsequent other moves,
they're fine, but how much of this

593
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:27,800
package are you eating into to get
eighten in the first place, Like you're

594
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,320
either sending let's use and I think, look Paul's freeze idea of like using

595
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:37,519
Utah Brooklyn and Phoenix and Kevin Durant
trade. I'm assuming to get eighten to

596
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:39,400
Utah. That makes a lot more
sense because I think you can make the

597
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,800
case that Brooklyn's in the same boat
except they don't have the other tempole star

598
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:49,239
Kyrie's whatever he's gone, or like
blah blah blah blah. Do you view

599
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,440
that Ben Simmons still is that player? I think at this point a lot

600
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,360
of people are gonna believe Donovan Mitchell
is closer for being an incumbent corner stone

601
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,480
than Ben Simmons is, which is
just totally fair. So if you're Brooklyn,

602
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:00,599
you could talk, okay, well
instead of eight and we just want

603
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:04,320
more picks which the Jazz can send
us and then we'll make the money work.

604
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,679
They have expiring contracts, how many? I mean, yes, Chris,

605
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,880
it's it's top twenty five protected.
It's awesome. You could be the

606
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,559
sixth worst team in basketball and end
up with the sixth pick, Like that's

607
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:17,960
not there's a risk there. It's
I don't know what the h and I'm

608
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,320
not even yelling at Chris. I'm
not sure what the point here is.

609
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,039
You've given up three unprotected picks,
a very loosely protected fourth pick, and

610
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:28,559
then an unprotected swap. That's the
equivalent to me of four unprotected picks at

611
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:31,159
least. But you've essentially given up
control almost the five years of your draft.

612
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:35,239
So it's a risk. I'm not
saying it's a bad one, it's

613
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,320
a it's a risk, it's a
real risk. But the Utah Phoenix stuff,

614
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,119
I just don't how much how many
of that then realistically to get eight,

615
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:45,519
and how many of your current assets
are you giving up to get him,

616
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:49,400
Because I guess you could make the
case as I just did, and

617
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,159
I wouldn't buy it. But that
Utah having eighten plus a bunch of other

618
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,760
first and then Mitchell maybe still some
expiring contracts to work with on the trade

619
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,400
market, that's an interesting position.
Eight is sill, he's much younger than

620
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,119
Gobert. At the same time,
I'd rather just have these picks and a

621
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:07,199
bunch of cat flexibility moving forward,
especially, I'm not making any move along

622
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:13,199
the lines of let's give up first
to maximize this time with Donovan Mitchell.

623
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,960
If Donovan Mitchell isn't committed, like
I need to know he's here for at

624
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:19,920
least the next to like to finish
out this contract at least, and you

625
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,360
can never make that promise is right
now. He has his player option in

626
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,719
two twenty five, two and twenty
six, so he has three more seasons

627
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,840
of under team control. We know
how this works out now with pre agency

628
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:37,400
the trade demand. If it's coming, it'll come maybe in two thousand and

629
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,679
twenty four, Like when he's going
into the final year before his player option,

630
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:45,280
it's probably gonna come two seasons or
in the middle of twenty twenty three

631
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,119
twenty twenty four. So unless he's
committed to staying with you, I'm not

632
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:52,519
making anything like more like I'm not
scowing when now in any type of move,

633
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,920
I'd rather have the picks, even
though Aten's young definitely fits the rebuilding

634
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,360
timeline. I also buy into eighton
having a more expansive offensive roles, and

635
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,199
I think most others do. I
still think he needs long term a really

636
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:07,599
good league guard next to him.
I recognize that he made a lot of

637
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:12,000
improvement with his hook shots. He
can have really nice touch around the basket.

638
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,960
I do think there's more face up
stuff to plumb with him, but

639
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:19,239
it's sort of an offensive hub or
a co hub. I don't know that

640
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,480
I'm there yet. We need to
see him play with more overall self sustaining

641
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,880
thrust on a more consistent basis before
we go that far. I do think

642
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,840
we've covered about everything here about this
trade. If anyone else has any further

643
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,159
questions about it, there are still
a bunch of you in here. You

644
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:34,800
could throw it in the chat Chris
has. My point is when you add

645
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,880
names to those picks, they become
less valuable. And I agree. I

646
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,519
agree with you, Chris, that
there's the car driving off the lot effect

647
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:45,360
there that is not going to happen
for a lot of these picks for a

648
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,239
good many years, and that's the
appeal of them. And so I already

649
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,599
said, I don't know if you
were here for this, that the Wolves

650
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:54,360
are never going to sign anyone as
good as go baron free agency. That's

651
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,039
one they're not a that desirable market
and two that's not out free agency works

652
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:01,559
anymore. Players are sign an extensions
and so they're either getting traded, and

653
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:06,880
that's how you're getting a quarterstone or
star whatever, or you're drafting them.

654
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,599
And the Wolves are in a situation
where right now, even if they fail,

655
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:13,440
they're not going to be in the
typical cornerstone territory in the draft.

656
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:15,199
So that's why you give up so
many picks to get Gobet. My question

657
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,280
is was this the right move to
go all in on. I don't there's

658
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,039
a chance. I just said,
I think the ceiling on this is incredibly

659
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:24,719
high, and people are probably already
a little too low on it. But

660
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:30,239
I do think it has the the
ability to implode during the playoffs, and

661
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,079
I outline why if you want to
listen to the rest of this video when

662
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,559
it goes up permanently, or check
out hardwoul Knocks. The actual podcasts will

663
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:40,599
go up as a podcast. I
just think, offensively, what if defense

664
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:44,840
is ignoring all bear during the playoffs, or teams will go after the front

665
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,440
court more. I'm opposing offense,
we'll go out for the front court more

666
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,840
by downsizing in the playoffs, and
what does that do to towns? Defensively,

667
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,039
do your all of a sudden a
position where you have to bench one

668
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:55,159
or the other and most likely be
Gobet because of how valuable Towns is on

669
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,079
offense. I don't. I think
it's very much TBD. I don't think

670
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:01,239
the Wolves are losers. I said
that it's not a risk I would have

671
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:07,320
been willing to take, and I'm
I think I'm just more risk averse here,

672
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,480
but I am probably more optimistic on
the Gobert Towns pairing people who are

673
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,719
acting like towns that are playing with
a big or in this similar role.

674
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,119
I mean, Jared Vanderbilt was basically
a big on offense last year, so

675
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,599
that's like, that's gonna be fine. I have no I'm really not worried

676
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:23,159
about it on offense. I think
between those two it's fine. Maybe the

677
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:28,679
rest of the roster depending on how
you feel after you get past Dilo and

678
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,800
Anthy Edwards. How do you feel
about your secondary ball handlers and shooting,

679
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,960
That for sure is a risk.
So that's just what I was saying,

680
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,559
Chris. The development of McDaniels,
Yeah, it does seem like they might

681
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:39,960
have paid a premium here to keep
Jane McDaniels, whom I love. He

682
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:44,360
is super fast twitch on defense.
They seem to very much also view him

683
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,480
as a pure three, if not, maybe even play some two if Anthy

684
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:51,599
Edwards is your point guard in certain
lineups. And that I think went into

685
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:53,599
a lot of the thought process behind
why do we want to pay karl anthy

686
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:57,360
Towns with a bigger body? And
so if you're paying an extra tax to

687
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,239
keep Jane McDaniels Jane McDaniels better,
I mean attacks and draft picks, not

688
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,760
the actual luxury tax, then you
you better one percent hope that he pans

689
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,119
out. Clovis Neio Coco said,
Jazz gotta James Harden like Hall from the

690
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:15,960
t Wolves. H they didn't get
that much, but they got a lot

691
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,679
more they're gonna get. As I
was gonna say, JP as what stars

692
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,079
with the Jazz pair with Mitchell if
they plan on keeping him? Oh shit,

693
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:28,800
I don't even think I've given consideration
to that question. Man, who's

694
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,719
like who even realistically is a star? Right now? That wilcome available,

695
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,559
you want him with Kevin Durant.
I'm mostly I'm kidding there. I'd be

696
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:38,480
interested if things kind of you know, hit the fan, Zach Levine and

697
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:43,480
Nonovan Mitchell would be highly interesting.
I don't love that defensively, nor should

698
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,320
should anybody else, but that is
a route they could go. I'm just

699
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:51,280
trying to figure like potential stars that
are available or could become available down the

700
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:57,199
line. I don't think Chris Middleton
is high end enough here. I don't

701
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,199
think okay SE's ever shay Gil just
Alexander will almost perfect. But okay,

702
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:04,719
see based off the way they consolidated
picks into Uzman Jang and I know they

703
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,639
weren't great first round picks, they
do seem to be thinking more and like

704
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:13,079
not immediate but your term lines of
thinking. So there's that. I just

705
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,960
I don't see the other star that's
gonna become available right now. You can

706
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,519
make a case for higher end players
if they do, but like, no,

707
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:21,480
Gianna Nobi would be perfect in Utah
is young enough to where maybe you

708
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:25,719
can justify the opportunity costs there.
If anyone has any star suggestions for Mitchell,

709
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,480
you could definitely throw them in the
chat. I think the what's interesting

710
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:35,880
here is like the star market trade
market was sort of barren entering the off

711
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,760
season, and it's now playing out
before our eyes, where okay go barrels

712
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,599
already off the board, and obviously
that one works for Mitchell. There were

713
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,320
people holding out hope that Towns would
reject an extension and maybe that would make

714
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,239
him available. I think even if
he rejected it, he was gonna roll

715
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,039
the dice on getting a bigger extension
if he made an All NBA team next

716
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,000
year, when he could have extended
for five out rather than four. So

717
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,320
he was never that was never gonna
happen. There were still people holding out

718
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,360
hope for like brad the Beal zach
Lavine to maybe consider signing trade scenarios.

719
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,159
I think Beal is probably going to
be like one of the next guys that

720
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,719
just become available because I don't I
don't think Washington is going to figure it

721
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,960
out, even though they're super flexible, and I don't think we need to

722
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,840
troll him for taking the money and
staying. And I think Washington's flexible enough

723
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,880
where if they're going to give this
a year or two to see where they're

724
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,079
at. But I could see him
among like there are people who are still

725
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:27,719
waiting on Devin Booker, among the
Booker, zach Lavine, Bradley Beal types,

726
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,079
the Towns like the names that people
were sort of trying to watch.

727
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,119
I think Beal's the next one to
go there Paul Free did say, I

728
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:36,840
think Spider and Brandon Ingram would be
nasty, but you need New Orleans to

729
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:42,159
not actively be looking to to win, and like they're about to get Zion

730
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,719
back after just giving the Suns all
they can handle in the first round of

731
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,599
the playoffs, So I don't think
they are a team that's gonna be looking

732
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:51,960
to shed a star, which makes
this so difficult. JP said, Beale

733
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,079
and Mitchell would be so bad defensively, and I wouldn't navocate for them doing

734
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:59,079
that. I'd advocate for Lavine more
so than Bial. I trust Lavine's shooting

735
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:01,000
on the perimeter off dribble a little
bit more, but that would be a

736
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:04,920
terrible defensive pairing. And when you
get to the point where they're available,

737
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,599
do you like we're talking about guys
who Lavine will be approaching thirty but will

738
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:12,079
be in his thirties. What I
will say, I used to fancy myself

739
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:15,920
someone who could project these next names
to become available. But looking at what

740
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,320
happened in Brooklyn over the past year, where James Harden wanted out, Kevin

741
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,840
Durant wants out, now Kyrie Irfan, he's trying to force his way the

742
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,880
Lakers. I'm not even going to
pretend that I can project it anymore.

743
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,920
For all I know, you know, Kawhi or Paul George could get pissed

744
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,119
off with the Clippers at some point. I don't know why. Their franchise

745
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:32,159
is pretty well run. What if
the Sixers, after getting the Rockets,

746
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:37,239
the twenty eighteen nineteen Rockets, back
together around Joel Embiid. What if they

747
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:43,400
rankle him. He only has like
Maybe he's the next next player to decide

748
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,719
to. He has like his extensions, so he's under contract for time.

749
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,840
Maybe he's the next player to agitate
out. Not predictions, just I clearly

750
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,480
have no Now you're bad, Paul, Fuck it. I'm just saying those

751
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:54,719
are the stars that could become available. I would not, I would not,

752
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,199
Buel and Lavine would not behind my
list. I just I can't think

753
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:00,599
of the next stars to jad out. But that's part of this process is

754
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:05,280
developed over the year, and the
unpredictable happens. I'm gonna leave it there

755
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,159
because I have real work to do
surrounding this trade. This was great.

756
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,199
If this is anyone's first time checking
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758
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761
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:27,599
What do you think of the Blazer
signings today? Peyton the Second resigning.

762
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,599
Nurkitch I talked about Peyton on the
Day one wrap up pod. Really smart

763
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:34,559
signing by the Blazers. I don't
care that they're small. They have a

764
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,599
lot of defenders now and Josh Hart, Jeremy Grant, Gary Payton the second.

765
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:39,639
I would absolutely play all three of
those guys on a smaller lineup with

766
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,239
Dame and Anthony Simons. I'm also
a little bit of a sicko with small

767
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,159
ball units. Nurkicch it could be
an overpay, could be market value if

768
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:52,159
you're judging it against the Mitchell Robinson
sixty million dollar contract, and that's all

769
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:54,400
guaranteed. It's fun. Urk is
a really valuable offensive player and if you're

770
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,480
still gonna let him stay and drop, he's a fine rim protector and definitely

771
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:01,039
during the regul season, if you're
asking him to do more complicated stuff in

772
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:05,039
the playoffs, it gets if he
love the Peyton signing, love the Blazer's

773
00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:08,000
off season overall, I think actually
the Nordage contract is the biggest risk that

774
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:13,119
they took, which says a lot
about how I've you Anthony Simons, and

775
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:15,360
but I think that's good if that's
your biggest risk, because NERK will be

776
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,960
solid for the regular season. But
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for the first time, as always
with the shout out to the one,

784
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,239
the only, the conference finalist,
the next star that you taught to try

785
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,320
and pair with, Donovan Mitchell,
Frank neil g