1 00:00:04,919 --> 00:00:12,439 This is London Calling. And therefore, while not forcing anyone to get vaccinated, 2 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:18,120 I chose to make sure that all the incentives and all the protections were 3 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,640 there to encourage Canadians to get vaccinated. And that's exactly what they did. 4 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:26,519 We got vaccinated to a higher level than just about any other of our pure 5 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:31,760 countries, and that's why we had a less deadly pandemic than most other countries. 6 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:43,000 Welcome to London Calling with me James Dannipa and my very good friend mister 7 00:00:43,119 --> 00:00:49,079 Taby Young Tas we're both traveling. We are. I'm I'm in Canada and 8 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:55,119 you're in Hong Kong. And incredibly, that means that it's it's currently eight 9 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,920 pm where I am in Canada, which is in a city called kem Luke, 10 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,159 But it's eleven a m. The following day where you are in Hong 11 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:07,680 Kong. I think, isn't it, James, I so I can. 12 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:11,120 I'm in a position to tell you what Tuesday is like and you just don't 13 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:15,480 know yet. Do you have the clue? I know, it's like it's 14 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,760 like time travel. I'm looking at the future. Well, I can tell 15 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:27,120 you that Tuesday is it's it's drizzling and but but but we haven't that the 16 00:01:27,159 --> 00:01:33,319 world hasn't ended. Um, it's which which is defying all my prediction so 17 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:41,079 far. But yeah, Tuesday has happened. And yeah, yeah, I've 18 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:45,239 done the groundwork for you. It's okay, let's say it is the simultaneous 19 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:53,000 departure of Fox's leading news anchor and CNN's leading news anchor on the same day, 20 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:56,359 as big a story on Tuesday, as it is on Monday night here 21 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,280 in North America. Yeah it is. We can talk about let's late. 22 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:05,079 We ought to talk about our travels. First. I'm Frankie amazed that you 23 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:09,120 are more or less on time for this podcast, given you've been traveling on 24 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:15,960 Canada's naturiously sluggardly railway system. So tell us about tell us about your train 25 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,599 was so fun? It is fun. Yeah, it's called the Rocky Mountaineer 26 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:30,560 and and I'm on the I think it's called the the kind of um something 27 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:37,479 like towards the West route and it starts since So I flew into Calgary yesterday 28 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,039 and then I got another flight, a connecting flight to Vancouver, stayed the 29 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:46,000 night in Vancouver, and then around six am got on the Rocky Mountaineer, 30 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:51,800 and the Rocky Mountaineer has taken me to cam Loops and tomorrow it's going to 31 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:57,280 be taking me from cam Loops to bamp and that's the extent. It's a 32 00:02:57,319 --> 00:03:00,319 two day journey. I think it's called into the West, the West would 33 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:05,000 passage something like that, and it's it's The train itself is fantastic. So 34 00:03:05,439 --> 00:03:08,560 um you can you're either a silver leaf passenger, which means you're on a 35 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:14,800 single decker in a single decker railcar, or you're a gold leaf passenger, 36 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:17,759 which I am, which means I'm in a double decker rail car and on 37 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:23,400 the top deck where I'm you know, seated in some comfort. I'm surrounded 38 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:30,400 by glass. So I'm just seeing this incredible, the incredible kind of scenery 39 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:37,680 of British Columbia out of the window, seeing bald eagles, osprey, water 40 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:42,479 turbines, chopping chopping up birds. Now I haven't seen any wind turbines, 41 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:46,800 actually, James, there's loads of so many wind turbines in Canada. Well, 42 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,840 they don't see me any on this on this rail route. Curiously, 43 00:03:49,879 --> 00:03:54,639 I haven't seen one. But we did. We did. We did pass 44 00:03:55,479 --> 00:04:02,719 a town called something like Linton, which are perished in a fire a couple 45 00:04:02,719 --> 00:04:08,960 of years ago, which was blamed by the onboard guide in our carriage on 46 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:15,719 climate change, which I didn't believe for a second. But I found another 47 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:23,040 climate contrarian also on this press trip, so we bonded over papulling this explanation 48 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,160 for why this town had been consumed by fire a couple of years ago. 49 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,120 But anyway, it's it's actually fantastic. It's a great way to see this 50 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,040 kind of wilderness. And yeah, I'm enjoying it so far. What are 51 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:41,040 you doing in Hong Kong. I'm visiting, visiting family. This is my 52 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,839 second trip to Hong Kong. The first time I was really excited because it 53 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:54,000 was about six years seven years ago, and my dad was stationed here for 54 00:04:54,079 --> 00:05:00,120 his National service. So he was on top of Victoria Peak at the oh 55 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:06,000 Wait the radio station, listening in too. He did a crash course in 56 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:14,639 Mandarin and then went to listen to the Chinese fighter pilots what they were saying 57 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,519 in the rounded about the time of the Korean War. And he told me 58 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:24,839 all these stories about his time in Hong Kong, how he had his his 59 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:31,199 um, his lotus shipped out by his father for him, and he took 60 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:38,240 part in the Macau Grand Prix um Uh and it was it was so it 61 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,120 was really exciting the first time. But the second time you come you realize 62 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,839 there's only so much to do in Hong Kong. And you did it all 63 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:48,600 the first time. So you go up Victoria Pete, you go to go 64 00:05:48,759 --> 00:05:54,319 to maybe an island or two, and what else is there? I mean 65 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,279 there's not. There's not even a particularly good zoo here or anything. It's 66 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:02,040 just so once you've been over the back, Oh there's another place doing doing 67 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,000 Oriental food and isn't it great? And there isn't lots of Oriento food here? 68 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:10,000 And it isn't isn't the tax amazingly low here? And and it's great. 69 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,319 It's just like being it's like being in a big city with a with 70 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:19,439 a humid climate and loads of loads of five five G to mess up with 71 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:28,279 your your your body and yeah, but yeah, it's it's it's not. 72 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:31,160 You don't, you don't, it's not sort of the atmosphere isn't more oppressive 73 00:06:31,439 --> 00:06:39,480 than on your previous visit because of the ratcheting grip of the Chinese Communist Party. 74 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:46,319 I'm sure if you fell through the cracks. I think it's always been 75 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:55,160 quite um. So my son was telling me that that that there is no 76 00:06:55,319 --> 00:06:59,000 crime here. It's really it's really nice being in a place where even late 77 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,199 at night, you feel completely safe. And he told me the story about 78 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:06,199 somebody he was coming back drunk one night and he saw this cash machine and 79 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,959 and and and found the cash had not been removed. So he grabbed the 80 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,720 grabbed the money and the next day the police burst in on his house. 81 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,959 They'd tracked him, they'd tracked him down through through you know, the close 82 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:28,120 circuit, through through the TV cameras and so you it is quite authoritarian, 83 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,360 but it probably always was a bit. I mean, you wouldn't want to 84 00:07:31,399 --> 00:07:35,120 be breaking the law here, that's for sure. But yeah, I mean 85 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:40,360 it's it's I mean, I like the tax regime here. You know, 86 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:46,199 you tend to get a tax rebate rather than you're paying around about twelve percent. 87 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:54,680 So I honestly, honestly think that that we live in a in Britain 88 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:00,399 now is as oppressive in its way as communist control Hong Kong. And I 89 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:03,879 you you disagree with that because you still imagine that we're living in this kind 90 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:09,680 of free market paradigm where where we've got the rule of law and an English 91 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:15,120 common law and all that stuff we persuade and democracy. Yeah right, um, 92 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,160 I think that we are. We are already living in communist China in 93 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,439 the UK. So, and how are you adjusting to Um? Are you 94 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:26,000 able to sleep? Okay? How long you been there? No, I 95 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,879 was going to talk to you about this. Is it? Is it the 96 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,000 case that as one gets older, one is much more susceptible to jet like 97 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:39,480 my body clock has been Hey while I've had had a couple of nights where 98 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,519 I've had very very poor sleep. It's just been night just lying there just 99 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,480 you know, well, you know, I just like not being able to 100 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:50,679 sleep is as horrible asn't. Yeah, I worked, I worked up. 101 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:58,440 I'm eight hours behind the UK here, so uh and you've only been in 102 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:01,320 a twenty four hours. So I struggled to sleep laws night. Um uh 103 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,919 yeah. I woke up at about sort of two am and then sort of 104 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,759 you know, dozed after that intermittently. Um. So yeah, I'm hoping. 105 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:13,000 I'm hoping for more like this evening because I have to we have to 106 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,919 board the train tomorrow morning at six am again. Um, so there's no 107 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,080 opportunity for a line if I do eventually. So what are you what are 108 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:26,919 you doing? Are you kind of talking to fellow climate change skeptics? So 109 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:28,799 are you reading or are you looking out of the window? What? What? 110 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,919 What? What? I? Yeah, and I well, I'm still 111 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:41,240 sort of managing my two companies, I suppose, the Daily Skeptic and the 112 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:45,679 Free Speech Union sort of remotely, um, though not as intensively as I 113 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,320 would be if I was still at home. M And I wrote my Spectator 114 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:52,879 column on the train today, and I'm doing another piece for the Catholic Herald, 115 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:56,200 so I'll probably write that tomorrow. But you know, you know, 116 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,679 a par amount of looking out of the window. You being a workaholic, 117 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:05,559 tab you're into all that. I really really resent any form of reality intruding 118 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,120 on my foreign travels. I mean, even this is pushing it here. 119 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:13,360 We are, you know, like doing work? Well, I just want 120 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:18,799 to be This is one of two podcasts I'll be doing during my five day 121 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,720 holiday. Yeah, and I find it. I find it very difficult to 122 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:24,480 switch off. I don't get any pleasure from it. I just I get 123 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:31,679 frustrated and anxious and slightly depressed when I stopped working. So, yeah, 124 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:35,159 I have to work constantly. Oh yeah, no, I feel like reality 125 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:39,159 is intruding and I get very depressed on having to deal with reality. But 126 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:46,120 there it is. Yeah, did I struggled to I struggled to get a 127 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:52,279 Canadian SIM card that I bought at a seven eleven at Vancouver Airport to work 128 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:56,120 in my phone, which was very frustrating because when I left my gift Gaff 129 00:10:56,159 --> 00:11:01,519 SIM card in it would it would tell me that it had charged me another 130 00:11:01,639 --> 00:11:07,600 twenty pounds on the hour virtually, and that was driving me nuts because of 131 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:11,120 course I can't I can't switch off my phone. I have to be on 132 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,360 it and checking it constantly, and that was costing me twenty pounds an hour 133 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:16,720 when I was on my gift Gaff SIM card. But any mean, I 134 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,759 finally got the seven eleven simcard to work, but it was very difficult. 135 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,399 I was thinking I've got no designed. I used to think that, yeah, 136 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,840 I'll get a Conordar one day and see the bears and see the mountains 137 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,200 and all that stuff. Canada's look a bit like New Zealand. It's it's 138 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:39,559 it's just off my lists of places I want to go because you can't dissociate 139 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:46,440 the beautiful country from the appalling regime. Do you not get it that by 140 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:52,080 you are living in Justin Castro's President Bieber's Canada, it's it's a tyranny. 141 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:58,519 Well, I think I did fear that that might be my reaction before I 142 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:05,879 got here. But I did have supper last night with UM, a daily 143 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,360 skeptic contributor, a skeptical doctor who's based here. UM, and he told 144 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:13,840 me that, you know, there are really two Canadas. There's the kind 145 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:20,799 of metropolitan, woke Canada, which is the Canada that voted for Justin Trudeau. 146 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:26,440 And then there's the rural conservative Canada. UM. And for the most 147 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:31,840 part, I've only been in rural conservative Canada. UM and UM, and 148 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,360 you don't get the impression that there's much support, much sympathy for Justin Trudeau 149 00:12:35,399 --> 00:12:39,519 in any of the towns I've I've you know, I've I've passed through today. 150 00:12:41,399 --> 00:12:48,279 But I don't think they all I don't they I don't think they all 151 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,399 have. I think many of them did. Yeah, UM, but they 152 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,639 still seem to be alive and kicking. Do you see that? Well, 153 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:58,279 the ones that you see obviously are by definition of life. But there's loads 154 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,639 more underground you never got to meet because they got killed off. Did you? 155 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:07,240 Did you see that President Bieber is now trying to deny that he ever 156 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:13,559 coerced Canadians and taking the job. A bit of back peddling there on his 157 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:16,639 part. Well, I mean, it's outrageous, isn't it. I mean, 158 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:20,120 I think I think something similar is going on. I think Matt Hancock 159 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,039 made similar claims that nobody was ever forced to take it, which is not 160 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,720 strictly true, is it. I mean a lot of people we were told 161 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:35,840 either you were either you own a living or or you get you get your 162 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:39,320 linear had taken away from the up to you, your your your freedom of 163 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,399 choice. Well, the worst offender in this regard James was probably Austria. 164 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:48,320 The Austrian authorities were going to find people if they refused to have the job, 165 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,159 and if they refused to play the fine, it was going to imprison 166 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:56,440 them. But in the end it didn't enforce that policy and any threatened to, 167 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:01,320 but merely threatening to was probably enough to persuade a lot of reluctant people 168 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:07,159 to get jabbed anyway. Um uh should we um? Should we have a 169 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:13,159 chat about well, Tucker Carlson in particulars departure from Fox News, which I 170 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:20,759 was shocked by. I'm sort of not shocked, Um, I mean I 171 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,879 was. I was pleased. I was pleased that when I when I experienced 172 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,759 Tuesday and woke up to find that, Yeah, Tuck Carson had been sat 173 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:35,200 because that's the kind of news story I can I can get interested in and 174 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:41,279 have a view one nine percent of so called news stories. Yeah, finally, 175 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:43,399 we've we've hit on, we've hit on, We've put on a story 176 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:48,639 that you're not going to dismiss this bread and circuses. That's great, Jane. 177 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,279 Have different views of of of of of why he's gone. Yeah, 178 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:56,480 I saw you sort of fishing on Twitter today, But I'm trying to see 179 00:14:56,519 --> 00:14:58,759 what people agree with your viewpoint. Tell me your theory on why Tucker Carston 180 00:15:00,919 --> 00:15:03,840 Well, the reason I asked I posed the question. I said my working 181 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:16,440 hypothesis on Twitter was that Rupert and Lackland Murdock's willingness to withstand the pressure from 182 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:24,360 left wing lobby groups who for about five years had been trying to demonetize Fox 183 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:30,919 News because of Tucker Garlston and threatening to boycott trying to boycott products that advertise 184 00:15:31,039 --> 00:15:37,480 on Tucker Carlson Tonight. My working hypothesis is that their willingness to resist that 185 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,480 pressure, because I think the campaign was you know, it did bite, 186 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:48,720 it did have a commercial impact, was sacked, undermined, eroded by the 187 00:15:48,879 --> 00:15:54,559 embarrassment of having to pay the best part of a billion dollars to settle the 188 00:15:54,799 --> 00:16:00,039 dominion lawsuit. But I'm sure there are lots of other potential There are lots 189 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:03,919 of other theories floating about. I mean, one theory which I think you 190 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:11,279 brought up is the Abbe Grossberg lawsuit. So one theory is that a former 191 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:18,720 producer on Tucker Carlson Tonight, Abbe Grossberg, is prepping a sexual discrimination suit 192 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:26,919 claiming that she was discriminated against and harassed. I don't think sexually harassed, 193 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:32,519 but harassed in virtue of being a woman not treated fairly when she worked on 194 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,240 Tucker Carlson Tonight. And one theory is that the Murdocks couldn't face having to 195 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,440 settle yet another lawsuit so quickly on the heels of settling the dominion one, 196 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:48,559 so they canned him to make that go away. Another theory, which I 197 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:53,519 imagine you'll you'll be sympathetic to James. Is that Black Rock a few days 198 00:16:53,559 --> 00:17:00,399 ago apparently took a bigger position in the Fox Corporation, which is the parent 199 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:07,359 company of Fox News, and one theory is that they demanded Carlson's ouster now 200 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:17,079 that they are a bigger shareholder. Supposedly, Rupert Murdoch was alarmed by Tucker 201 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,960 Carlson's coverage of the events of January the sixth, which he went quite big 202 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:30,680 on criticizing the mainstream media for demonizing what were largely peaceful protesters. Another theory 203 00:17:30,839 --> 00:17:38,400 is that Rupert is hoping to sell Fox News, and decoupling the brand from 204 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,960 Tucker Carlson, who is a divisive, bolar, rising figure, is going 205 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:49,839 to make it easier to sell. So anyway, I'm not sure exactly what 206 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,480 to believe. I think it's probably a mistake. His departure wiped five hundred 207 00:17:55,519 --> 00:18:03,279 million off the company's value. I expect he'll go to another um uh news 208 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:11,880 publishing company um News Broadcasting company and do very well and will probably damage Fox 209 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,119 Fox News. I don't know. I'm a big fan of Tucker that I 210 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:22,079 really like his monologues. He's, you know, a surprisingly original, courageous 211 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:27,079 thinker for um, you know, an American conservative broke with a lot of 212 00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:33,720 his peers UM on many issues, not least the Ukraine War. I don't 213 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,039 agree with him on that, but I think his stance is a courageous one. 214 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:41,640 So you know, he's original, he's funny, he's he's um, 215 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:47,160 he's insightful. UM. I like his style. UM. So I think 216 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,680 it was a I think it's a mistake and it's disappointing. UM. But 217 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:53,079 I think Fox News will suffer even more so than it has already as a 218 00:18:53,119 --> 00:19:00,160 consequence. What's your take. Yeah, I think it's analogous to Mark Stein's 219 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:08,960 departure from GBN News, that that he was, that he was a fish 220 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:15,680 out of out of water in essentially a cut organization. UM, And I 221 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:22,720 mean Fox Fox News has been desperately mainstream for a very long time. It 222 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,480 pretends to be this. It trades on this image as a sort of edgy 223 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:33,079 out their conservative channel, that that ship sailed a very long time ago. 224 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:40,160 Tucker was the last, the last hold out, the last person who could 225 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:45,119 reasonably justify it's it's the reputation that it would like for itself, and the 226 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,759 same with the same with Mark Stein, so his days were numbered that they 227 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:52,559 were always going to find a way of asking him. I mean the woman 228 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,440 claiming sexual harassment, you know, and I know that these things can be 229 00:19:57,519 --> 00:20:06,279 settled out of court. And and had had the organization um genuinely wanted Tucker 230 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,200 to stay. They could have. They could have settled and got rid of 231 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:15,599 the tars and woman. Uh. They got rid of Tucker Carlson because they 232 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,480 didn't like what he was saying, that he was speaking. He'd been, 233 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:25,480 he'd made the heroic journey. He'd gone from Team Tobes the Team James. 234 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:29,519 He was, he was, he was two Team James. You mentioned position, 235 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,519 his his absolutely bang on the money position on Ukraine for example. He's 236 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:40,599 absolutely right. But Rupert Murdock, I mean, back in the day, 237 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,640 I used to write pieces, or at least in my halo, used to 238 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,720 write pieces saying how great Roops was. You know, he was a kind 239 00:20:47,759 --> 00:20:53,200 of strike buster. He was. He was the voice of anti anti big 240 00:20:53,319 --> 00:20:59,279 government. He was. He was supporting conservative voices. He's not. He's 241 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:04,279 just part of the part of the gigantic medium machine which despises us useless eaters, 242 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:10,519 which wants to crush us this, This is just the continuation of the 243 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:18,160 closing down of all genuine anti system voices. And Tucker was very much that, 244 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:23,680 which is people people say, people in Team James say, look, 245 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:29,279 you, you've got to realize that that Tucker is just a Look at his 246 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,640 background. He's preppy, he's control opposition. It says what he's allowed to 247 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,960 say, and no more. Don't be deceived by the sie up. You 248 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,720 know, in the same way that people Team James people talk about Donald Trump. 249 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:45,160 Now you know, he's just he's he's just part of the system, 250 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,640 really, regardless of what you think. But like you, I like Tucker. 251 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:55,680 I thought I thought his monologs were brave and interesting and um and right. 252 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:03,720 And he's gone because because he didn't fit in with this new tyrannical world 253 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:07,119 where you're not allowed to tell the truth. I just want to pick you 254 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,640 up on one thing. You described him as being more Team James than Team 255 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,759 Toby, and I think that's probably broadly right. But he wasn't Team James 256 00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:21,480 when it came to the Steel. We'll see because according the steel, because 257 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:27,599 according to I think what depositions made in the dominion voting machine court case, 258 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:38,039 Tucker admitted off camera that the Steel which Fox News had been energetically promoting was 259 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:45,680 almost certainly bullshit, and seemed kind of unhappy about the fact that Fox News 260 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:51,039 was being asked to promote this kind of crackpot conspiracy theory. And I guess, 261 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,559 James, if it wasn't a crack crack crackpot conspiracy theory, if it 262 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,920 was true, as I think you still believe, why do you think murder 263 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:07,079 paid the best part of a billion dollars not to be humiliated in court when 264 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:11,200 he when he would inevitably lose that court case, because no one can actually 265 00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:15,000 stand up the steel conspiracy theory. That is such a that is such a 266 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:21,680 devious Toby moment there where where where you just just glibly put out this crackpot 267 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,240 conspiracy theory phrase about something that actually is. But if it wasn't a correct 268 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:29,240 if it isn't a correct book conspiracy, why did Murdoch shell out the best 269 00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:33,839 part of a billion to avoid defending it in court? Because Murdoch is part 270 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,720 of the corrupt, the corrupt system. That Look, it's not about it's 271 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:41,400 not even about money anymore, Toby, It's but it's it's about power. 272 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:48,519 It's about pushing the narratives. Murdoch was never going to going to allow the 273 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:53,480 truth to be revealed about about about the election election Steel. Murdoch is part 274 00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:57,640 of the system, part of the disgusting corrupt system which I keep reigning against. 275 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,440 So I don't I I don't take this as evidence at all of that. 276 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,759 Therefore, because because Murdoch settled, it's a weird definition of corruption. 277 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:15,319 If someone has to pay seven million dollars actually have to give. Usually, 278 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,640 usually if someone's corrupt, they're enriching, they're enriching themselves in some way. 279 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:25,119 But he's just impoverished himself. I'm talking about moral and intellectual corruption. He 280 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,599 Murdoch is not our friend. He is not He's not interested in the truth 281 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:34,160 is he is part of the thing that I that I rarely so you're you're 282 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:45,000 I do. I was disappointed that when people are looking for evidence that actually 283 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,960 Tucker is not really one of us. He's just another kind of deception agent. 284 00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:57,640 Certainly, those those the recordings that you mentioned make me make me worry 285 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:03,240 slightly. You know what, what, what does Tucker actually believe? Because 286 00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:07,319 as you say on the show, he had lots of people who who know 287 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:14,359 that that that the January six for example, was was orchestrated by by an 288 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,599 FBI agent called Ray Epps and and so on, and that the people were 289 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,359 were falsely in prison, but that in that whole business, the whole January 290 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,839 sixth thing, I think is a hall of mirrors as well. I'm not 291 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,119 I'm not sure what to trust about that. I mean, I do believe 292 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:34,519 that it was orchestrated by the FBI to discredit what you might call the Marga 293 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:40,039 movement. But but yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't see the 294 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,440 lawsuit, the fact that that Murdoch settled is any indication of anything other than 295 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:52,200 that Murdoch is just part of the evil machine. Your theory is that Murdoch 296 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,759 settled it to avoid winning rather than to avoid losing, because winning would have 297 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:02,279 revealed the truth about the twenty twenty presidential election. I don't. I don't 298 00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:07,480 trust Murdock's motives. So the people who the people who um control the world's 299 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:12,119 media, now, who are as you know, a tiny handful of of 300 00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:17,440 of institutions, and I patrol the world world media, and they are all, 301 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,640 as far as I'm concerned, part of part of big evil. So 302 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,799 I don't think one can read anything into the fact that this was settled out 303 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:29,720 of court, because uh, it's it's beyond being about the money anymore. 304 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,720 It's it's it's about this, this this global takeover of this new world order. 305 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:37,440 Well, he won't be surprised to learn, James, that I think 306 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:45,160 the settlement has basically provided us with seven hundred and eighty seven additional reasons to 307 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:49,119 regard the steel as a crackbox conspiracy theory. Anyway, should we have our 308 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,759 first ad James, Yeah, are you going to do it? Or am 309 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:56,160 I? Um? What don't I do it? And then you can do 310 00:26:56,319 --> 00:27:00,279 the next one. Um. 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He was, He was a successful 328 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:29,960 Broadway star. I think that his Dame Edna show won a Tony Award. 329 00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:32,720 So he like he had and he was he was, he got, he 330 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:37,880 got a very favorable I remember a very favorable profile of him in the New 331 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,400 Yorker. Um, so he was a sort of I think he was. 332 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,880 He wasn't as famous as he is in Australia or the UK, but I 333 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,200 think people some people know he is in the US. Anyway, he's dead. 334 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:52,599 Just to make it clear to American listeners who are saying, asking, 335 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,640 who's this guy while we're talking about him, I've never heard of him, 336 00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:59,119 or maybe I have because he was on Broadway once. Anyway, Barry Humpless 337 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,799 is dead. And he was. He was very funny, wasn't he. 338 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:07,400 I mean he was he was. He was the kind of drag queen that 339 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,960 one actually approves of. D queen. You wouldn't mind reading a story to 340 00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:17,319 your five year old um about that. It was quite it was. He 341 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,160 was very funny, very entertaining, very good at repartsy kind of um engaging 342 00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:29,119 with kind of people in the audience and mercilessly taking the mickey out of them. 343 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,440 Um. Yes, yes he was. I think. Do you know 344 00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:37,200 what? I think? He was almost certainly Team James here, you're now. 345 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,200 I'm sure I was one of his favorite Spectator columnists. Yeah, I 346 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:48,319 heard this from his son. Doesn't say that to everyone, that Spectator. 347 00:29:52,559 --> 00:30:00,039 I don't think he did say to me exactly. There was a h that 348 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:04,880 a great, great moment a few years ago where when just after Phillips Scofield 349 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:11,119 had ostentatiously outed himself because I think probably it's part of a deal with the 350 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:18,039 newspapers that it wouldn't reveal other stuff about him, And so he came out. 351 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,400 And then Barry Humphers was being interviewed by another a TV presenter. What's 352 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:30,279 the guy He looks a bit like Philip sco Field. Yeah, And and 353 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:37,240 Humphers his first move was to congratulate him on his courage and having out of 354 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:42,599 bad sexualities. Yes, it was yeah Dermott, Dermott O'Leary, Yeah, 355 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:48,319 the younger version of Philip Scofield. And yeah, Dame Edner was I think 356 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,920 I think he was. It was, it was. He didn't he wasn't 357 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:55,559 appearing as Dame Edner was. He was just appearing as himself as Barry Humphreys 358 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,640 and and and yeah, and he congratulated Dermott on his extraordinary courage in coming 359 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:06,400 out as gay, knowing and and I think some people were so dim they 360 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,640 thought it was a genuine mistake and not just a bit of mickey taking. 361 00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:14,160 But of course it was just a kind of satirical ruse to pretend that he'd 362 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,519 mistaken him for Philips Grayfield. I think, I mean everyone everyone's a sort 363 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:26,319 of rag queen now there. I mean that uh Grayson Grayson Perry trans festized, 364 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:30,759 but as Grayson Perry and who are the other other ones that the eddies 365 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:36,799 are the alleged he used to be a funny comedian. Um, if I 366 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,000 were, if I work and where where drag I would be? Barry humph 367 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,359 As is my my woman? Yeah? He never he he he wore drag, 368 00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:52,160 not because he you know, he thought that he was. He wasn't 369 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,559 a kind of He wasn't a transactivist by any directly. I think I didn't 370 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,240 imagine. I didn't get any stage that he was in fact a woman. 371 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:06,039 I mean he was married four times. Yeah. Our producer Brian points out 372 00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:12,279 that some Americans listening will know him because he as Dame Edna had a regular 373 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:19,039 slot on ally McBeal. Oh that program? Did it? Did he really? 374 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,359 Apparently? Yeah? Yeah, I was. I was kind of a 375 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,440 fan of alimentbeal. I quite liked Calista Flockhart, thought she was quite sexy, 376 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:30,000 even though she was very thick. There was there were some sort of 377 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,680 dream sequences wasn't it or something, but she kept yeah, I think the 378 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,960 words. Yeah, I just remind me all the crap we used to watch, 379 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:45,440 all the crap which probably which probably had some kind of hidden agenda in 380 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:51,000 the way. For example, on Friends, Ross was a paleontologist to make 381 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:57,160 everyone believe in the dinosaur siop. All the was just trendy in the eighties 382 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,279 because of the success of the Raiders films. Yeah, I think paleontologists are 383 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:05,559 like like climate scientists, They're just they're just promote promote a lie. It's 384 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,119 just it's a norm job. So many there are so many norm jobs out 385 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:13,279 there. I think. I think the only reason you brought up the death 386 00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,440 of Barry Humphreys is so you could you could you could drop in the fact 387 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:22,920 that his son had told you that you were his favorite spectator colonists. Anyway, 388 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,359 it's good, it's a it's a nice tribute. Well, why do 389 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,640 you why do you think I was? I was looking for from a mode 390 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:36,359 of revenge for your for your remarks about the about the obviously stole an election, 391 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,680 which you gliberally dismissed as a tin four hat crazy conspiracy theory. So 392 00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:45,680 obviously I had to get you somehow, Okay, there does Um so, 393 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:51,279 um uh, what do you think of Robert Kennedy Junior, who has declared 394 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,279 as a as a as a presidential candidate. He wants to be the Democratic 395 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:01,720 candidate for president? Um yeah, I imagine you you have you quite like 396 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:07,839 him. I mean he's he certainly doesn't you don't trust him. He's quite 397 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:13,239 sound on Big Farmer. It's it's a bit like it's a bit like um 398 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:17,159 Jordan Peterson. Um in that I used to be a used to be a 399 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:22,800 fan because he said some some apparently good things, but you realize that he's 400 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,880 not to be trusted in the same way. I look, I think that 401 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:31,840 m. Kennedy's book on the Real Anthony fact. Yeah yeah, I mean 402 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,239 it's not a it's not a bedside read or well, it's it's good, 403 00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:43,639 good for insomnia. It's it's just absolutely laden with with information which blows your 404 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:50,639 mind. But um, the fact that he does good work fighting Big Farmer, 405 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,960 he's unsound on some scuse. I mean, he's a he's an eco 406 00:34:53,079 --> 00:35:01,400 Nancy environmentalist. You yeah, he and and anyone on the eco Nazi gravy 407 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:07,880 train is basically part of the problem. Um. So I'm not. Yeah, 408 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,920 yeah, I think. Look, I think that there are these characters 409 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:17,679 who are being Donald Trump will be another one of them, actually, who 410 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:28,320 are being groomed as figures for people on teen James to think, well, 411 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,639 this, this guy is our is our savior. This that he is a 412 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,960 white hat and he's going to come and save us from all this. I 413 00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:39,400 think they're all part of the problem. And I think I think Robert Kennedy 414 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:45,320 is probably one of those. Okay, so you're not a big fan. 415 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:52,679 Another another question was do you know much about the natalist movement? James m 416 00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:58,719 p pro natalist movement. So there are people who who are worried about population 417 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,719 decline. I mean not because they think that there is a kind of global 418 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,039 conspiracy to depopulate the earth connected to the vaccines and the rest of it. 419 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:14,719 They just look at the data which seems to show that lots of countries are 420 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:22,320 either facing a problem with a declining population Japan for instance, or soon will 421 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:29,360 be. And to counter this, they're very pro having children, and they 422 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,480 try and have as many children as they can themselves. And it's it's it's 423 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:37,400 it's become a kind of a movement, the pro natalist movement. I wondered 424 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,320 if you've taken any interest in it, given you your own concerns about depopulation. 425 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,760 Low children are a heritage of the Lord. The fruit of the womb 426 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:52,800 is his reward. Yeah, I think it's are we are. We are 427 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:59,400 living through a time, whether there's horrible depopulation agenda being being promoted by all 428 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:04,920 fostered by things like the death jab, which also renders a lot of women 429 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:14,239 infertile. I think we're being attacked every which way by these deranged, psychopathic 430 00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:21,599 Mouthusians. I mean the people that the Cabal of whom I frequently complained that 431 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,639 the predator class. They definitely despise us. They want to get rid of 432 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,920 us. They want to get rid of as many us as they can, 433 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,039 And this has been this has been their preoccupation since time immemorial. But I 434 00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:37,719 think particularly in the aftermath of the Second World War with the baby boom, 435 00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:43,000 I think that they really started started worrying about what are we going to do 436 00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:46,039 about these useless eaters. We can't they can't all be our slaves. There's 437 00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:50,039 some of them are just going to be eating our scats, resources that we 438 00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:57,159 need for our volcano islands and stuff. So yeah, I'm inasmuch as I 439 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,119 understand what you've told me about the natalist movement, I'd say, probably it's 440 00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:04,039 a jolly good thing. But what kind of what, what kind of world 441 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,480 they're bringing their kids into? I would worry about. Well, that's often 442 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:13,800 a reason that people who are anti natalists give for not having children, isn't 443 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,519 it that they don't want to bring don't want to bring children into this this 444 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:22,039 terrible world, particularly kind of you know, um climate hysterics, who think 445 00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:25,719 that there won't be a world for their children to enjoy in fifty years time 446 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,920 unless mankind meant its way. They don't have much hope of that. The 447 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:36,360 people, the people who promote that point of view that all these eco fascist 448 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:42,920 movements are sponsored by the predator class that just op oil, extinction, rebellion, 449 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,119 et cetera, et cetera. It's it's it's Baptists and boot bootleggers that 450 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:52,719 they are. They are in tune with the with the the Kabbal's agenda to 451 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,599 depopulate the world and turn us all into into slaves. So yeah, there 452 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:04,239 was a there was a thing called the voluntary human extinction movement. However, 453 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,679 you ever come across them. There they that they were committed to not having 454 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,159 children and possibly killing themselves, and the name was saving the planet. But 455 00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,840 that that's that's how if you know, when people talk about the you know, 456 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:24,480 the coming AI apocalypse, people who are worried about AIS escaping their servers 457 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:35,280 in Google Google's headquarters and going rogue and trying to destroy humankind, and they 458 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:40,079 imagine that they'll do it by you know, triggering an exchange of intercontinental ballistic 459 00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:45,360 missiles or taking over killer drones and sending them to attackers, and it'll be 460 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:51,639 like kind of you know, a terminator like war between man and machines. 461 00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:57,480 Actually, all they'd need to do to wipe out mankind would just be too 462 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,199 persuade us not to have children. And I think they would. I mean, 463 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,199 I think that would be very easy most most, I mean I imagine 464 00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:08,960 that even chat that, you know, the bing chatbox is already capable of 465 00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:15,599 persuading seventy five percent of people between the ages of you know, sixteen and 466 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:21,239 twenty four never to have kids, because they'll just be endangering the planet if 467 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,880 they do, using our precious finite resources. That that's the form I think 468 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:30,440 it would take it would be kind of poisoning our minds through kind of manipulation 469 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:35,800 of persuasion. Nothing as dramatic as starting in nuclear war. The thing is 470 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,519 that the people who think these these things are not remotely representative. We hear 471 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,079 them disproportionately in our media. And this is why I so distrust the whole 472 00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:52,480 of the mainstream media and the so called alternative media. You know, I 473 00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:58,440 mean things like talk to the GP News. They are forever promoting these these 474 00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:02,840 people from Extent rebellion and so on in the in the guise of well, 475 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:07,559 this is news and we are reporting on this movement. But they're not. 476 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,360 These are these are all fake things. These are these are all designed to 477 00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:17,239 give give the impression that these viewers that these these these lunatics who who are 478 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,880 preyed upon, these are these are psychologically damaged people who are are preyed upon 479 00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:29,760 and and and funded by and encouraged by the predator class in order to push 480 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,960 their their agenda. So you've got I mean, do you remember that that 481 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:43,679 extraordinary photograph of um Greta Thunberg. He had he had come to Parliament and 482 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:50,519 was being fated by Michael Gove. Um he had come to Parliament. Yes, 483 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:58,559 do you think, yeah, where you believed their James? Look at 484 00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:00,800 look at look at how look at look at the way he's changing now. 485 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,559 I mean it's it's all yeah, um, but just just keep you happy 486 00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:09,440 to Tbes I'll call him, I'll call him machine. Look at the hideous 487 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:15,360 photograph of Michael Gove beaming and that awful Green woman MP whose name temporarily eludes 488 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:21,639 me, and and I think one Ca and Lucas they were all beaming on 489 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,239 on this, this, this creature as this, this was the way forward. 490 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,719 What I'm saying is that is that the predator class, they their their 491 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:39,599 servants in Parliament, their agents in the in the media. Uh, they 492 00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:45,440 have they're all, they're they're fully behind the Green agenda, um because they 493 00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:49,760 because they do what they're told. And then you have these alleged grassroots movement 494 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,039 led by people like Retord Thumb. Thunberg is also a stooge of the elites. 495 00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:00,320 That so, so we're attacked from both ways. Why why in order 496 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:09,800 to m mesmer people with kind of gretta, has the predator class decided to 497 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,039 take a boy and present her. What's your theory there? Why do they 498 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:22,679 think it would enhance their agenda. I'm just you don't have to know, 499 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,039 you don't have to be able to have to be able to explain everything. 500 00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:28,599 I'm just just observing that she looks like a bloke as she gets older. 501 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,920 Okay, idn't I han't hadn't noticed that, But anyway, why don't you 502 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,599 do our next day? And then let's go on to culture corner. 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I think probably we they're people about our age with parents who are 519 00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:53,719 entering that zone. Yeah. So, James, I want to thank you 520 00:44:53,840 --> 00:45:00,559 for something, which is for turning me onto a really good TV SERI which 521 00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:04,840 is the playlist. So I've now I'm now into i think episode four of 522 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,880 the playlist, and you were right. It's really good. It's um. 523 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:14,280 It's one of the best of that kind of genre about you know, corporate 524 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,679 heroics and drama in the same kind of mold as the one about the founder 525 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,239 of Uber, the one about Elizabeth Holmes, the one about the founder of 526 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,840 We Work. But I think it's probably the best of the lot. It's 527 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,480 really really good. It's it's it's um. I like the way I like 528 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:36,360 the way they've structured it, you know, based around different characters who have 529 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:45,159 a slightly different perspective on how Spotify became such a unbelievably successful company. I 530 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,199 like the fact that the characters break the fourth wall. It's got a kind 531 00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:53,320 of theatrical dimension to it. It's not realistic, at least not straightforwardly realistic. 532 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:59,360 It sometimes kind of delves into a kind of more magic realist approach, 533 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,440 which is interesting. I mean it's it's yeah, it's really good, very 534 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:07,079 sophisticated. And also they hash out a lot of the arguments around you know 535 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,199 that we're raging at that time. You know, how how should the music 536 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:20,320 industry cope with something like Pirate Bay? Should music be free? Are organizations 537 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,039 like Pirate Bay actually stealing from artists? What is a reasonable amount that artists 538 00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:29,519 should be paid from people who don't want to pay anything to listen to music? 539 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,880 So it's it's really good, top quality, highly recommended. Um, 540 00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:37,440 yeah, I'm daddy, I'm ladd You you raised that one. I'll give 541 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:44,760 you some advice given you you appreciated my tips so far. Do not watch 542 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:51,880 the last episode. It is crap, it's dishonest, it's woke. It 543 00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:57,760 completely undermines it's like it almost ruins everything's gone before. Really, So is 544 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,159 that one about the artist? Yes? The artist? Okay, Okay, 545 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:07,360 so they invent this this artist who is a um what is she is? 546 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:14,199 She's some kind of very talented soul singer. And there's a there's a there's 547 00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:21,079 a completely made up scene where she goes to Congress to fight for the right 548 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:27,519 of a sort of more obscure artists to get their their fair share. It's 549 00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:34,119 she doesn't insist. Um. The talking points that are raised in the episode 550 00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:38,920 are dishonest talking points. It's like that they couldn't help but because they I 551 00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:43,440 imagine that there must be Swedes, mustn't they the people who wrote the series, 552 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,239 Yeah, they just can't help being Swedish, you know, which means 553 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:52,000 that you are intrinsically woke. I thought, James, you know, she 554 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,440 didn't feel like a kind of a credible character at all, partly because, 555 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,840 as you say, she's she's one of the few characters he's completely made up. 556 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,159 Everything else is based on, you know, what actually happened, and 557 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,880 all the characters, the other characters are based on real people. But she's 558 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,400 also got I mean, I didn't. She didn't strike me as remotely charismatic. 559 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,079 She didn't have any star quality. The idea that she would become this 560 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:21,360 kind of you know, international singing sensation was always kind of a bit incredible. 561 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,599 But I would have thought that that what happened isn't that the Swedes just 562 00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:28,639 couldn't help themselves. I would have thought that, you know, a group 563 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:35,559 of Swedish producers writers came up with this idea for a series based on the 564 00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:38,920 creation of Spotify, but in order to sell it to Netflix, they had 565 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:45,760 to kind of drop in this kind of you know, woman of color who 566 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:50,360 is exploited by Spotify in order to kind of tell that story too, because 567 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,719 otherwise it would have just been about a bunch of white people starting a successful 568 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:59,840 company. Maybe maybe, um yeah, whatever the reason, just don't watch 569 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,559 the episode. You what you You'll be disappointed. It's it's just a slap 570 00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:05,800 in the face. It's a bit like it's a bit like the End of 571 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,559 War and Peace, where where where it goes all weird and you think, 572 00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:13,760 hang on a second, I read those thousand pages and now I'm having Tolstoy 573 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,119 going bonkers, right, Okay, well I might take your advice on that 574 00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:22,159 one. Um So, the only other thing I wanted to mention is I 575 00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:24,719 remember I struggled to think of the name of this new series on Netflix. 576 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,280 I started watching. I thought it was called The Night Manager, which is 577 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,679 kind of implausible because of course there is that John McCarry adaptation called The Manager. 578 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,480 In fact, it's called The Night Agent. And I and I and 579 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:43,119 I plunged back into it, having kind of abandoned it after episode two, 580 00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:47,199 and I'm now into episode four, and I'm beginning to think that I'll probably 581 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,960 see it out. It's not it's not great, it's not up there with 582 00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:52,960 Condor, but it's in the same vein, and I just do like you 583 00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:58,360 love that genre, so I think I'll probably stick it out. Did you 584 00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:02,079 watch any I was on the plane. Oh, by the way, I 585 00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:07,920 had a dilemma here. Um. On the way out on the plane. 586 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:14,400 UM, we were going final boarding whatever it is where you go through the 587 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:20,840 final checkpoint and wife went through and I went through, and my ticket bleaked 588 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,320 and I thought, oh, no, I've been Probably the CCP have disbarred 589 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,280 me from traveling to Hong Kong or something because of my my you know, 590 00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:32,239 I'm send it jorious or whatever. Um. And the woman said, ah, 591 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:39,360 it seems you've been upgraded. So so I had been I'd been upgraded, 592 00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:44,639 and the wife hadn't, so I had a club class seat and the 593 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,679 wife didn't. What were you upgraded? Are you doing a travel piece or 594 00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:52,400 something? Because I'm very I'm very very special times I'm you know, I 595 00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:55,800 suppose the air line must have been Team James. It was b a good 596 00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,000 old ba love love ba um. So what you've done in that situation, 597 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,360 I would have given the seat to my wife. I've been in that situation 598 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,360 and I gave the seat to my wife. For me, it was an 599 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,320 absolute no brainer. You always always give the seat to the wife. It's 600 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,599 just like it didn't even didn't even require a second thought in a happy wife, 601 00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:22,079 happy life. Of course, when I posted this on Twitter and I 602 00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:24,840 gave the options, as you know, should the head of the household get 603 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,760 the get the seat or should or happy wife, happy wife, and various 604 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,719 sort of stroppy women said, well, at least one stoppy woman said said, 605 00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:38,679 oh, that's so outrageous. What a sexist thing to say. It's 606 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,800 not It's just a simple fact of life, isn't it. Happy wife, 607 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:50,239 happy happy life. It's it's and you'd have to be some kind of idiot 608 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,079 husband not to, you know, at the very least offer your wife the 609 00:51:54,159 --> 00:52:00,840 better seat in that scenario rather than just blightly take it for yourself. But 610 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,840 also but cynicism aside from it, I do think it is an absolutely absolutely 611 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:13,280 our job as men to to maintain the old traditions of gallantry, of to 612 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,599 do the right thing for you a woman or women generally. I hate this 613 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:21,400 modern culture where where you're not allowed to open doors for women, and and 614 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,480 because that's you know, we're all eating were not you were often told that, 615 00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:30,880 and you hear kind of you know, grumpy right wing gets complaining that. 616 00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:34,800 You know, so many acdotally, so many people have experienced. I've 617 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,559 never I've never heard a woman complained to me when I stand up when she 618 00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:40,800 comes into the room, or when I let her go first through a doorway 619 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,639 or open a door for her, or give up my seat. Well, 620 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:50,199 you've you've been, You've you've been lucky. I've I've heard I've heard my 621 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,000 children's generation complain about this, you know, because obviously I've raised raised my 622 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,280 boy children to do that that sort of thing, and occasionally they've been they've 623 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,920 been in a buff It does, it does happen. And more broadly, 624 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:07,760 our culture is geared towards this false notion that men and women are the same 625 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,880 and that therefore, you know, our behavior towards one another should be the 626 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,039 same. Anyway, Um, what I was going to ask you was before 627 00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,760 that long digression, was did you find any films on the plane that you 628 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,480 actually wanted to see? Because I I really found one that I sort of 629 00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:28,519 half found, the one I sort of sort of thought about, like tar 630 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:34,920 um, but couldn't bring myself in the end to watch what did what did 631 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,519 you watch? I ended up going for the whale? Oh yeah, I 632 00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:43,280 did think about the world that was on my plane too, that was available. 633 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,760 Um, but I just the idea of Brendan Fraser and a Vats too 634 00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:51,559 for two hours. I don't know if I could face it? Was it 635 00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:58,719 actually quite entertain Well? I quite like that Darren Darren Arronovski. He's he's 636 00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:02,199 I've seen quite a lot of his films, and he's he's he's weird and 637 00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:08,840 and different, And I sort of even though the premises you say is absolutely 638 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:15,719 revolting, this really really what do they call when they're they're clinically when they're 639 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:22,960 so fat they can't move virtually? Yeah? And did you buy him as 640 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,400 a fat man? Or did you just look like a Hollywood actor in a 641 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:30,079 fat suit. No, I I brought him to him who was a fat 642 00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:31,760 man. Alough, I'm outraged to hear that he that they couldn't find a 643 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:40,599 real person of fatness to play. The first thing is him having having a 644 00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:46,280 wank over gay porn in his in his chair while eating fast food, which 645 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,840 so it's not I mean, Darren Aronowski is the one that gave us the 646 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,159 hideous double dildo sequence, isn't he in that other film whose name I keep 647 00:54:57,199 --> 00:54:59,519 forgetting, the one about the drug addicts, which is very, very good. 648 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,360 I haven't seen that one. Even though I'm a big Jennifer Connolly fan, 649 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,320 I didn't like the idea of seeing her kind of laid low by heroin 650 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:12,800 addiction. It's the one that I recommended as a Christmas movie. That's my 651 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:17,320 favorite Christmas movie, and I somebody pretended to afford for it, but I 652 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:22,760 don't think they did. But anyway, Yeah, I just think it's amazing 653 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,760 that you can look through what twenty five films and not want to see a 654 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,000 single one of them. Yeah, well, I guess you've probably, like 655 00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:36,280 most of us, you've probably seen all the ones that you're vaguely interested in 656 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:42,360 already, so there's nothing there to tempt you because the chocolates no one else 657 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,920 wants. Well, I didn't see new films because because they're all rubbish. 658 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:51,119 Why would I want to see new films. It's all just part of the 659 00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:57,360 sile. But can I say my culture quarent tip my holiday reading that I've 660 00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:06,960 taken um with me is Anna Corona and it is just the best, the 661 00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:14,079 best novel ever. It is people, So I thought that Warren Peace was 662 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:16,119 supposed to be the best novel ever, but then people said, now, 663 00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:21,400 actually, you know, Anna Kremna has got the edge, and you read 664 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,960 it and you just realize that it is the greatest. It's just didn't because 665 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,440 I knew what I kind of knew what happens. You know that this very 666 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:37,679 beautiful, very socially connected woman has this disastrous affair with this with this unsuitable 667 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:42,840 young man who's who's you know, who is very charming and aristocratic himself, 668 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,000 and it all goes horribly wrong, and you think, well, why do 669 00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:51,000 I want to spend nine hundred and fifty pages being tortured by this doomed romance 670 00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:57,480 where everyone's going to come unstuck. But the toll Story writes with such confidence. 671 00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:00,639 It's like he knows that he's the best. He knows is that he's 672 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,199 he's writing the greatest novel ever, and it's just a joy to read. 673 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,920 I might try. I've never read a Toll Story. Um so um. 674 00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:14,320 Have you read any any of the novels that are deemed to be that the 675 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,360 top five, say, or top ten? Well, I've read, yeah, 676 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:22,920 I mean I've I don't know what you put in the top ten dominate? 677 00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:25,519 So you so you you I've read The Punishment, and I've read d 678 00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:35,320 Right, Yeah, I've read I've read Middle March, Vanity Fair, David 679 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,159 Copperfield, all the Jane Austen's and if you put them in the top ten, 680 00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:45,119 yeah, I think the problem is I was thinking that the closest we've 681 00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:49,480 probably got to a Russian novel in our own literature is Middle March. And 682 00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,559 Middle March is just really dull, isn't it. I mean you only have 683 00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:54,840 to look at look at George Elliott to really she was never going to write 684 00:57:54,840 --> 00:58:00,239 it. She was never going to write a sort of The thing of out 685 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,239 about the Russians is is, although I have this this this, this reputation 686 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,920 for writing these kind of uh these doorstoppers that are a real challenge to get 687 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:13,360 through. It's not true. They're immensely readable. I don't I don't ever 688 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:20,480 recall wading through Middle March and thinking I'm really enjoying reading about Kazebol and Dorothy 689 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,480 is just kind of it feels so worthy. I know, I like, 690 00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:29,519 I like, I like Middle March. I feel easy to read. Yeah, 691 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,119 I think we're good at kind of chamber pieces like I mean, Austin 692 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:37,119 is fantastic even in warm more recently, I think is just one of the 693 00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:40,920 best prose stylists ever. And I think that the sort of Honor trilogy is 694 00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:47,679 is is what is getting close to our great literature. But the Russians and 695 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:52,239 maybe possibly that I haven't read. I haven't read Madam Bovy. I suppose 696 00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:53,360 that's going to be next on my list. I think the Russians and the 697 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,559 French, but the Russians, the Russians Edgy yet they really don't know, 698 00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:00,719 not even Edgyet. The Russians dominate just the best. You're still in your 699 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:07,480 Russian phase, so I'm i've I'm currently listening to an unabridged copy of Andrew 700 00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:14,480 Roberts's biography of Churchill, which I'm really enjoying. I think church You know, 701 00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:17,840 I called Roberts up about the thurther way that I said, Andrew, 702 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,719 I really don't like Churchill. He is such an entitled tosser. And he 703 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:29,639 said, no, no, weight what you realize that all this was preparation 704 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,800 for the great man he became. I'm not persuaded. I really not. 705 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:37,360 I agree it was an interesting read, but but I think, no, 706 00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:40,840 I don't think it was Watson all either. I think there was some giants 707 00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:45,000 that we weren't told about yet, giant warts weren't told about. Yeah, 708 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:50,039 it's it's it's definitely. He's definitely a kind of Partizan. Yeah, making 709 00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:53,519 the case for the defense, but I find it I'm not that familiar with 710 00:59:53,559 --> 01:00:00,159 the case for the prosecution. But nonetheless I find it quite persuasive, and 711 01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:04,000 I quite liked the kind of you know, the theme running through, which 712 01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:07,039 is as you as you just set out, which is that into Baris. 713 01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:12,519 He did make lots of mistakes in the course of his career. Had he 714 01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:15,199 not made those mistakes and learned from and he wouldn't have been such a successful 715 01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:20,079 war leader did though I think he was a horrible, bugious little ship who 716 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:25,159 time and again kept sort of sacrificing lives completely pointlessly. I mean, okay, 717 01:00:25,239 --> 01:00:30,760 so that so the Dardanelles he actually didn't learn from the darden Elles because 718 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:36,880 then he had had had Dppe. And I don't know what is involvement with 719 01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:38,719 with Arlam was, but I expected thought it was a jolly good thing because 720 01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:43,320 he he quite liked the idea of Cooter Mountin, didn't he. I know, 721 01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:46,880 I really don't like the only the only book about the biograph of church 722 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:52,199 I've ever enjoyed was Churchill at the Gallop, which is written by Bruss Scott, 723 01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:58,280 which was all about Churchill's life seen through equestrianism. So suddenly I got 724 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:05,920 interested about his polo playing career in India where he injured his arm so that 725 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,599 when to play wearing a sling, right when? Yeah, So when he 726 01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:17,039 did his cavalry charge in at Omderman, he couldn't he couldn't wield his sword, 727 01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:24,920 so bistol instead, which is yeah, so that's and he spent when 728 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:30,639 you realize how much he spent on hunting, that he was always always, 729 01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:34,639 you know, demanding more money from Mama and Papa so that he could he 730 01:01:34,679 --> 01:01:37,639 could be able to or trying to find ways of of maintaining his hunters. 731 01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:44,360 He spent. He spent even more than you earnopes in a in a hunting 732 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:52,360 just just maintaining his I I find him m quite a sympathetic character, even 733 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:58,880 in his kind of um early bumptious face. I mean he's he's I mean, 734 01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:02,519 you could tell he's sort of obviously rubbed up many people the wrong way 735 01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:12,840 by being kind of socially not very intelligent, possibly a bit spectrum and spectrumy. 736 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,400 It was incredibly diligent and hard working. He was like Boris, but 737 01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:23,760 without the kind of intellectual sloth. You know, he was unbelievably intellectually curious 738 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:29,760 and would dig down deep into a subject and really try and master it in 739 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:35,000 a way that Boris never does. And you know, his emotions were always 740 01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:38,440 quite close to the surface. He would often burst into tears. His letters 741 01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:45,760 to Clementine are beautiful and moving. I don't know, and I find him 742 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:53,239 I think that you're taking up face value the you know, the judgment of 743 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:59,199 his kind of stuck up upper class contemporaries who didn't like him because you know, 744 01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:05,559 he didn't played again the brownson of the Duke of Marlborough. It was 745 01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:09,920 hardly you know, he was hardly sort of a strugging to get hold in 746 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,159 the world of toss. No, that's true. I'm not I wouldn't try, 747 01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:16,920 and I wouldn't deny his aristocratic lineage. But but because he because he 748 01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:22,719 because he didn't conform to you know, the more rays of the day. 749 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,760 I think that's one of the reasons he was. He wasn't more popular, 750 01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:30,719 and his career came on stuff. You know what his name, I don't 751 01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:37,079 think it was just gets mentioned what what his his nickname was in parliament It 752 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:43,760 was ship House because because of his initials WC. Right right, yeah, 753 01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:49,400 anyway, well obviously we're not going to get that from a hageography. To 754 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,119 read between the last final I think I think I thought there was that brings 755 01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:57,000 a bell. Now I think that might be in there. Anyway, I'm 756 01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:02,239 enjoying it, and yeah, it's it's long too. It's about fifty hours 757 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,320 of It's not as goes down the corround. Now I can tell you having 758 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:10,400 red having read both for all at least start ticket. All right, all 759 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,719 right, well, enjoy your enjoy your calendar. Yeah, and have a 760 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,800 good time in Hong Kong. When are you back now, I'm staying out. 761 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,559 I'm staying out, so well, I'll do another podcast, not from 762 01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:25,440 one call. I'll tell you what I'll tell you on the next past of 763 01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:30,199 podcast. Where I'm going next. Okay, all right, exciting Okay, 764 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,760 James, good to talk to you Tuesday. Okay, yeah, yeah, 765 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:59,280 enjoy it when it comes. Bye bye. Ricochet. Join the conversation.