This is London Calling. And therefore, while not forcing anyone to get vaccinated,
I chose to make sure that all the incentives and all the protections were
there to encourage Canadians to get vaccinated. And that's exactly what they did.
We got vaccinated to a higher level than just about any other of our pure
countries, and that's why we had a less deadly pandemic than most other countries.
Welcome to London Calling with me James Dannipa and my very good friend mister
Taby Young Tas we're both traveling. We are. I'm I'm in Canada and
you're in Hong Kong. And incredibly, that means that it's it's currently eight
pm where I am in Canada, which is in a city called kem Luke,
But it's eleven a m. The following day where you are in Hong
Kong. I think, isn't it, James, I so I can.
I'm in a position to tell you what Tuesday is like and you just don't
know yet. Do you have the clue? I know, it's like it's
like time travel. I'm looking at the future. Well, I can tell
you that Tuesday is it's it's drizzling and but but but we haven't that the
world hasn't ended. Um, it's which which is defying all my prediction so
far. But yeah, Tuesday has happened. And yeah, yeah, I've
done the groundwork for you. It's okay, let's say it is the simultaneous
departure of Fox's leading news anchor and CNN's leading news anchor on the same day,
as big a story on Tuesday, as it is on Monday night here
in North America. Yeah it is. We can talk about let's late.
We ought to talk about our travels. First. I'm Frankie amazed that you
are more or less on time for this podcast, given you've been traveling on
Canada's naturiously sluggardly railway system. So tell us about tell us about your train
was so fun? It is fun. Yeah, it's called the Rocky Mountaineer
and and I'm on the I think it's called the the kind of um something
like towards the West route and it starts since So I flew into Calgary yesterday
and then I got another flight, a connecting flight to Vancouver, stayed the
night in Vancouver, and then around six am got on the Rocky Mountaineer,
and the Rocky Mountaineer has taken me to cam Loops and tomorrow it's going to
be taking me from cam Loops to bamp and that's the extent. It's a
two day journey. I think it's called into the West, the West would
passage something like that, and it's it's The train itself is fantastic. So
um you can you're either a silver leaf passenger, which means you're on a
single decker in a single decker railcar, or you're a gold leaf passenger,
which I am, which means I'm in a double decker rail car and on
the top deck where I'm you know, seated in some comfort. I'm surrounded
by glass. So I'm just seeing this incredible, the incredible kind of scenery
of British Columbia out of the window, seeing bald eagles, osprey, water
turbines, chopping chopping up birds. Now I haven't seen any wind turbines,
actually, James, there's loads of so many wind turbines in Canada. Well,
they don't see me any on this on this rail route. Curiously,
I haven't seen one. But we did. We did. We did pass
a town called something like Linton, which are perished in a fire a couple
of years ago, which was blamed by the onboard guide in our carriage on
climate change, which I didn't believe for a second. But I found another
climate contrarian also on this press trip, so we bonded over papulling this explanation
for why this town had been consumed by fire a couple of years ago.
But anyway, it's it's actually fantastic. It's a great way to see this
kind of wilderness. And yeah, I'm enjoying it so far. What are
you doing in Hong Kong. I'm visiting, visiting family. This is my
second trip to Hong Kong. The first time I was really excited because it
was about six years seven years ago, and my dad was stationed here for
his National service. So he was on top of Victoria Peak at the oh
Wait the radio station, listening in too. He did a crash course in
Mandarin and then went to listen to the Chinese fighter pilots what they were saying
in the rounded about the time of the Korean War. And he told me
all these stories about his time in Hong Kong, how he had his his
um, his lotus shipped out by his father for him, and he took
part in the Macau Grand Prix um Uh and it was it was so it
was really exciting the first time. But the second time you come you realize
there's only so much to do in Hong Kong. And you did it all
the first time. So you go up Victoria Pete, you go to go
to maybe an island or two, and what else is there? I mean
there's not. There's not even a particularly good zoo here or anything. It's
just so once you've been over the back, Oh there's another place doing doing
Oriental food and isn't it great? And there isn't lots of Oriento food here?
And it isn't isn't the tax amazingly low here? And and it's great.
It's just like being it's like being in a big city with a with
a humid climate and loads of loads of five five G to mess up with
your your your body and yeah, but yeah, it's it's it's not.
You don't, you don't, it's not sort of the atmosphere isn't more oppressive
than on your previous visit because of the ratcheting grip of the Chinese Communist Party.
I'm sure if you fell through the cracks. I think it's always been
quite um. So my son was telling me that that that there is no
crime here. It's really it's really nice being in a place where even late
at night, you feel completely safe. And he told me the story about
somebody he was coming back drunk one night and he saw this cash machine and
and and and found the cash had not been removed. So he grabbed the
grabbed the money and the next day the police burst in on his house.
They'd tracked him, they'd tracked him down through through you know, the close
circuit, through through the TV cameras and so you it is quite authoritarian,
but it probably always was a bit. I mean, you wouldn't want to
be breaking the law here, that's for sure. But yeah, I mean
it's it's I mean, I like the tax regime here. You know,
you tend to get a tax rebate rather than you're paying around about twelve percent.
So I honestly, honestly think that that we live in a in Britain
now is as oppressive in its way as communist control Hong Kong. And I
you you disagree with that because you still imagine that we're living in this kind
of free market paradigm where where we've got the rule of law and an English
common law and all that stuff we persuade and democracy. Yeah right, um,
I think that we are. We are already living in communist China in
the UK. So, and how are you adjusting to Um? Are you
able to sleep? Okay? How long you been there? No, I
was going to talk to you about this. Is it? Is it the
case that as one gets older, one is much more susceptible to jet like
my body clock has been Hey while I've had had a couple of nights where
I've had very very poor sleep. It's just been night just lying there just
you know, well, you know, I just like not being able to
sleep is as horrible asn't. Yeah, I worked, I worked up.
I'm eight hours behind the UK here, so uh and you've only been in
a twenty four hours. So I struggled to sleep laws night. Um uh
yeah. I woke up at about sort of two am and then sort of
you know, dozed after that intermittently. Um. So yeah, I'm hoping.
I'm hoping for more like this evening because I have to we have to
board the train tomorrow morning at six am again. Um, so there's no
opportunity for a line if I do eventually. So what are you what are
you doing? Are you kind of talking to fellow climate change skeptics? So
are you reading or are you looking out of the window? What? What?
What? What? I? Yeah, and I well, I'm still
sort of managing my two companies, I suppose, the Daily Skeptic and the
Free Speech Union sort of remotely, um, though not as intensively as I
would be if I was still at home. M And I wrote my Spectator
column on the train today, and I'm doing another piece for the Catholic Herald,
so I'll probably write that tomorrow. But you know, you know,
a par amount of looking out of the window. You being a workaholic,
tab you're into all that. I really really resent any form of reality intruding
on my foreign travels. I mean, even this is pushing it here.
We are, you know, like doing work? Well, I just want
to be This is one of two podcasts I'll be doing during my five day
holiday. Yeah, and I find it. I find it very difficult to
switch off. I don't get any pleasure from it. I just I get
frustrated and anxious and slightly depressed when I stopped working. So, yeah,
I have to work constantly. Oh yeah, no, I feel like reality
is intruding and I get very depressed on having to deal with reality. But
there it is. Yeah, did I struggled to I struggled to get a
Canadian SIM card that I bought at a seven eleven at Vancouver Airport to work
in my phone, which was very frustrating because when I left my gift Gaff
SIM card in it would it would tell me that it had charged me another
twenty pounds on the hour virtually, and that was driving me nuts because of
course I can't I can't switch off my phone. I have to be on
it and checking it constantly, and that was costing me twenty pounds an hour
when I was on my gift Gaff SIM card. But any mean, I
finally got the seven eleven simcard to work, but it was very difficult.
I was thinking I've got no designed. I used to think that, yeah,
I'll get a Conordar one day and see the bears and see the mountains
and all that stuff. Canada's look a bit like New Zealand. It's it's
it's just off my lists of places I want to go because you can't dissociate
the beautiful country from the appalling regime. Do you not get it that by
you are living in Justin Castro's President Bieber's Canada, it's it's a tyranny.
Well, I think I did fear that that might be my reaction before I
got here. But I did have supper last night with UM, a daily
skeptic contributor, a skeptical doctor who's based here. UM, and he told
me that, you know, there are really two Canadas. There's the kind
of metropolitan, woke Canada, which is the Canada that voted for Justin Trudeau.
And then there's the rural conservative Canada. UM. And for the most
part, I've only been in rural conservative Canada. UM and UM, and
you don't get the impression that there's much support, much sympathy for Justin Trudeau
in any of the towns I've I've you know, I've I've passed through today.
But I don't think they all I don't they I don't think they all
have. I think many of them did. Yeah, UM, but they
still seem to be alive and kicking. Do you see that? Well,
the ones that you see obviously are by definition of life. But there's loads
more underground you never got to meet because they got killed off. Did you?
Did you see that President Bieber is now trying to deny that he ever
coerced Canadians and taking the job. A bit of back peddling there on his
part. Well, I mean, it's outrageous, isn't it. I mean,
I think I think something similar is going on. I think Matt Hancock
made similar claims that nobody was ever forced to take it, which is not
strictly true, is it. I mean a lot of people we were told
either you were either you own a living or or you get you get your
linear had taken away from the up to you, your your your freedom of
choice. Well, the worst offender in this regard James was probably Austria.
The Austrian authorities were going to find people if they refused to have the job,
and if they refused to play the fine, it was going to imprison
them. But in the end it didn't enforce that policy and any threatened to,
but merely threatening to was probably enough to persuade a lot of reluctant people
to get jabbed anyway. Um uh should we um? Should we have a
chat about well, Tucker Carlson in particulars departure from Fox News, which I
was shocked by. I'm sort of not shocked, Um, I mean I
was. I was pleased. I was pleased that when I when I experienced
Tuesday and woke up to find that, Yeah, Tuck Carson had been sat
because that's the kind of news story I can I can get interested in and
have a view one nine percent of so called news stories. Yeah, finally,
we've we've hit on, we've hit on, We've put on a story
that you're not going to dismiss this bread and circuses. That's great, Jane.
Have different views of of of of of why he's gone. Yeah,
I saw you sort of fishing on Twitter today, But I'm trying to see
what people agree with your viewpoint. Tell me your theory on why Tucker Carston
Well, the reason I asked I posed the question. I said my working
hypothesis on Twitter was that Rupert and Lackland Murdock's willingness to withstand the pressure from
left wing lobby groups who for about five years had been trying to demonetize Fox
News because of Tucker Garlston and threatening to boycott trying to boycott products that advertise
on Tucker Carlson Tonight. My working hypothesis is that their willingness to resist that
pressure, because I think the campaign was you know, it did bite,
it did have a commercial impact, was sacked, undermined, eroded by the
embarrassment of having to pay the best part of a billion dollars to settle the
dominion lawsuit. But I'm sure there are lots of other potential There are lots
of other theories floating about. I mean, one theory which I think you
brought up is the Abbe Grossberg lawsuit. So one theory is that a former
producer on Tucker Carlson Tonight, Abbe Grossberg, is prepping a sexual discrimination suit
claiming that she was discriminated against and harassed. I don't think sexually harassed,
but harassed in virtue of being a woman not treated fairly when she worked on
Tucker Carlson Tonight. And one theory is that the Murdocks couldn't face having to
settle yet another lawsuit so quickly on the heels of settling the dominion one,
so they canned him to make that go away. Another theory, which I
imagine you'll you'll be sympathetic to James. Is that Black Rock a few days
ago apparently took a bigger position in the Fox Corporation, which is the parent
company of Fox News, and one theory is that they demanded Carlson's ouster now
that they are a bigger shareholder. Supposedly, Rupert Murdoch was alarmed by Tucker
Carlson's coverage of the events of January the sixth, which he went quite big
on criticizing the mainstream media for demonizing what were largely peaceful protesters. Another theory
is that Rupert is hoping to sell Fox News, and decoupling the brand from
Tucker Carlson, who is a divisive, bolar, rising figure, is going
to make it easier to sell. So anyway, I'm not sure exactly what
to believe. I think it's probably a mistake. His departure wiped five hundred
million off the company's value. I expect he'll go to another um uh news
publishing company um News Broadcasting company and do very well and will probably damage Fox
Fox News. I don't know. I'm a big fan of Tucker that I
really like his monologues. He's, you know, a surprisingly original, courageous
thinker for um, you know, an American conservative broke with a lot of
his peers UM on many issues, not least the Ukraine War. I don't
agree with him on that, but I think his stance is a courageous one.
So you know, he's original, he's funny, he's he's um,
he's insightful. UM. I like his style. UM. So I think
it was a I think it's a mistake and it's disappointing. UM. But
I think Fox News will suffer even more so than it has already as a
consequence. What's your take. Yeah, I think it's analogous to Mark Stein's
departure from GBN News, that that he was, that he was a fish
out of out of water in essentially a cut organization. UM, And I
mean Fox Fox News has been desperately mainstream for a very long time. It
pretends to be this. It trades on this image as a sort of edgy
out their conservative channel, that that ship sailed a very long time ago.
Tucker was the last, the last hold out, the last person who could
reasonably justify it's it's the reputation that it would like for itself, and the
same with the same with Mark Stein, so his days were numbered that they
were always going to find a way of asking him. I mean the woman
claiming sexual harassment, you know, and I know that these things can be
settled out of court. And and had had the organization um genuinely wanted Tucker
to stay. They could have. They could have settled and got rid of
the tars and woman. Uh. They got rid of Tucker Carlson because they
didn't like what he was saying, that he was speaking. He'd been,
he'd made the heroic journey. He'd gone from Team Tobes the Team James.
He was, he was, he was two Team James. You mentioned position,
his his absolutely bang on the money position on Ukraine for example. He's
absolutely right. But Rupert Murdock, I mean, back in the day,
I used to write pieces, or at least in my halo, used to
write pieces saying how great Roops was. You know, he was a kind
of strike buster. He was. He was the voice of anti anti big
government. He was. He was supporting conservative voices. He's not. He's
just part of the part of the gigantic medium machine which despises us useless eaters,
which wants to crush us this, This is just the continuation of the
closing down of all genuine anti system voices. And Tucker was very much that,
which is people people say, people in Team James say, look,
you, you've got to realize that that Tucker is just a Look at his
background. He's preppy, he's control opposition. It says what he's allowed to
say, and no more. Don't be deceived by the sie up. You
know, in the same way that people Team James people talk about Donald Trump.
Now you know, he's just he's he's just part of the system,
really, regardless of what you think. But like you, I like Tucker.
I thought I thought his monologs were brave and interesting and um and right.
And he's gone because because he didn't fit in with this new tyrannical world
where you're not allowed to tell the truth. I just want to pick you
up on one thing. You described him as being more Team James than Team
Toby, and I think that's probably broadly right. But he wasn't Team James
when it came to the Steel. We'll see because according the steel, because
according to I think what depositions made in the dominion voting machine court case,
Tucker admitted off camera that the Steel which Fox News had been energetically promoting was
almost certainly bullshit, and seemed kind of unhappy about the fact that Fox News
was being asked to promote this kind of crackpot conspiracy theory. And I guess,
James, if it wasn't a crack crack crackpot conspiracy theory, if it
was true, as I think you still believe, why do you think murder
paid the best part of a billion dollars not to be humiliated in court when
he when he would inevitably lose that court case, because no one can actually
stand up the steel conspiracy theory. That is such a that is such a
devious Toby moment there where where where you just just glibly put out this crackpot
conspiracy theory phrase about something that actually is. But if it wasn't a correct
if it isn't a correct book conspiracy, why did Murdoch shell out the best
part of a billion to avoid defending it in court? Because Murdoch is part
of the corrupt, the corrupt system. That Look, it's not about it's
not even about money anymore, Toby, It's but it's it's about power.
It's about pushing the narratives. Murdoch was never going to going to allow the
truth to be revealed about about about the election election Steel. Murdoch is part
of the system, part of the disgusting corrupt system which I keep reigning against.
So I don't I I don't take this as evidence at all of that.
Therefore, because because Murdoch settled, it's a weird definition of corruption.
If someone has to pay seven million dollars actually have to give. Usually,
usually if someone's corrupt, they're enriching, they're enriching themselves in some way.
But he's just impoverished himself. I'm talking about moral and intellectual corruption. He
Murdoch is not our friend. He is not He's not interested in the truth
is he is part of the thing that I that I rarely so you're you're
I do. I was disappointed that when people are looking for evidence that actually
Tucker is not really one of us. He's just another kind of deception agent.
Certainly, those those the recordings that you mentioned make me make me worry
slightly. You know what, what, what does Tucker actually believe? Because
as you say on the show, he had lots of people who who know
that that that the January six for example, was was orchestrated by by an
FBI agent called Ray Epps and and so on, and that the people were
were falsely in prison, but that in that whole business, the whole January
sixth thing, I think is a hall of mirrors as well. I'm not
I'm not sure what to trust about that. I mean, I do believe
that it was orchestrated by the FBI to discredit what you might call the Marga
movement. But but yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't see the
lawsuit, the fact that that Murdoch settled is any indication of anything other than
that Murdoch is just part of the evil machine. Your theory is that Murdoch
settled it to avoid winning rather than to avoid losing, because winning would have
revealed the truth about the twenty twenty presidential election. I don't. I don't
trust Murdock's motives. So the people who the people who um control the world's
media, now, who are as you know, a tiny handful of of
of institutions, and I patrol the world world media, and they are all,
as far as I'm concerned, part of part of big evil. So
I don't think one can read anything into the fact that this was settled out
of court, because uh, it's it's beyond being about the money anymore.
It's it's it's about this, this this global takeover of this new world order.
Well, he won't be surprised to learn, James, that I think
the settlement has basically provided us with seven hundred and eighty seven additional reasons to
regard the steel as a crackbox conspiracy theory. Anyway, should we have our
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she did Barry Humphreys. We should do Barry Humphries. Yeah, Um,
who's died. I don't know how familiar are Americans with Barry Humphris, do
you think? Yeah? I think I think Barry Humphries had some success in
America, So I think he had. He was, He was a successful
Broadway star. I think that his Dame Edna show won a Tony Award.
So he like he had and he was he was, he got, he
got a very favorable I remember a very favorable profile of him in the New
Yorker. Um, so he was a sort of I think he was.
He wasn't as famous as he is in Australia or the UK, but I
think people some people know he is in the US. Anyway, he's dead.
Just to make it clear to American listeners who are saying, asking,
who's this guy while we're talking about him, I've never heard of him,
or maybe I have because he was on Broadway once. Anyway, Barry Humpless
is dead. And he was. He was very funny, wasn't he.
I mean he was he was. He was the kind of drag queen that
one actually approves of. D queen. You wouldn't mind reading a story to
your five year old um about that. It was quite it was. He
was very funny, very entertaining, very good at repartsy kind of um engaging
with kind of people in the audience and mercilessly taking the mickey out of them.
Um. Yes, yes he was. I think. Do you know
what? I think? He was almost certainly Team James here, you're now.
I'm sure I was one of his favorite Spectator columnists. Yeah, I
heard this from his son. Doesn't say that to everyone, that Spectator.
I don't think he did say to me exactly. There was a h that
a great, great moment a few years ago where when just after Phillips Scofield
had ostentatiously outed himself because I think probably it's part of a deal with the
newspapers that it wouldn't reveal other stuff about him, And so he came out.
And then Barry Humphers was being interviewed by another a TV presenter. What's
the guy He looks a bit like Philip sco Field. Yeah, And and
Humphers his first move was to congratulate him on his courage and having out of
bad sexualities. Yes, it was yeah Dermott, Dermott O'Leary, Yeah,
the younger version of Philip Scofield. And yeah, Dame Edner was I think
I think he was. It was, it was. He didn't he wasn't
appearing as Dame Edner was. He was just appearing as himself as Barry Humphreys
and and and yeah, and he congratulated Dermott on his extraordinary courage in coming
out as gay, knowing and and I think some people were so dim they
thought it was a genuine mistake and not just a bit of mickey taking.
But of course it was just a kind of satirical ruse to pretend that he'd
mistaken him for Philips Grayfield. I think, I mean everyone everyone's a sort
of rag queen now there. I mean that uh Grayson Grayson Perry trans festized,
but as Grayson Perry and who are the other other ones that the eddies
are the alleged he used to be a funny comedian. Um, if I
were, if I work and where where drag I would be? Barry humph
As is my my woman? Yeah? He never he he he wore drag,
not because he you know, he thought that he was. He wasn't
a kind of He wasn't a transactivist by any directly. I think I didn't
imagine. I didn't get any stage that he was in fact a woman.
I mean he was married four times. Yeah. Our producer Brian points out
that some Americans listening will know him because he as Dame Edna had a regular
slot on ally McBeal. Oh that program? Did it? Did he really?
Apparently? Yeah? Yeah, I was. I was kind of a
fan of alimentbeal. I quite liked Calista Flockhart, thought she was quite sexy,
even though she was very thick. There was there were some sort of
dream sequences wasn't it or something, but she kept yeah, I think the
words. Yeah, I just remind me all the crap we used to watch,
all the crap which probably which probably had some kind of hidden agenda in
the way. For example, on Friends, Ross was a paleontologist to make
everyone believe in the dinosaur siop. All the was just trendy in the eighties
because of the success of the Raiders films. Yeah, I think paleontologists are
like like climate scientists, They're just they're just promote promote a lie. It's
just it's a norm job. So many there are so many norm jobs out
there. I think. I think the only reason you brought up the death
of Barry Humphreys is so you could you could you could drop in the fact
that his son had told you that you were his favorite spectator colonists. Anyway,
it's good, it's a it's a nice tribute. Well, why do
you why do you think I was? I was looking for from a mode
of revenge for your for your remarks about the about the obviously stole an election,
which you gliberally dismissed as a tin four hat crazy conspiracy theory. So
obviously I had to get you somehow, Okay, there does Um so,
um uh, what do you think of Robert Kennedy Junior, who has declared
as a as a as a presidential candidate. He wants to be the Democratic
candidate for president? Um yeah, I imagine you you have you quite like
him. I mean he's he certainly doesn't you don't trust him. He's quite
sound on Big Farmer. It's it's a bit like it's a bit like um
Jordan Peterson. Um in that I used to be a used to be a
fan because he said some some apparently good things, but you realize that he's
not to be trusted in the same way. I look, I think that
m. Kennedy's book on the Real Anthony fact. Yeah yeah, I mean
it's not a it's not a bedside read or well, it's it's good,
good for insomnia. It's it's just absolutely laden with with information which blows your
mind. But um, the fact that he does good work fighting Big Farmer,
he's unsound on some scuse. I mean, he's a he's an eco
Nancy environmentalist. You yeah, he and and anyone on the eco Nazi gravy
train is basically part of the problem. Um. So I'm not. Yeah,
yeah, I think. Look, I think that there are these characters
who are being Donald Trump will be another one of them, actually, who
are being groomed as figures for people on teen James to think, well,
this, this guy is our is our savior. This that he is a
white hat and he's going to come and save us from all this. I
think they're all part of the problem. And I think I think Robert Kennedy
is probably one of those. Okay, so you're not a big fan.
Another another question was do you know much about the natalist movement? James m
p pro natalist movement. So there are people who who are worried about population
decline. I mean not because they think that there is a kind of global
conspiracy to depopulate the earth connected to the vaccines and the rest of it.
They just look at the data which seems to show that lots of countries are
either facing a problem with a declining population Japan for instance, or soon will
be. And to counter this, they're very pro having children, and they
try and have as many children as they can themselves. And it's it's it's
it's become a kind of a movement, the pro natalist movement. I wondered
if you've taken any interest in it, given you your own concerns about depopulation.
Low children are a heritage of the Lord. The fruit of the womb
is his reward. Yeah, I think it's are we are. We are
living through a time, whether there's horrible depopulation agenda being being promoted by all
fostered by things like the death jab, which also renders a lot of women
infertile. I think we're being attacked every which way by these deranged, psychopathic
Mouthusians. I mean the people that the Cabal of whom I frequently complained that
the predator class. They definitely despise us. They want to get rid of
us. They want to get rid of as many us as they can,
And this has been this has been their preoccupation since time immemorial. But I
think particularly in the aftermath of the Second World War with the baby boom,
I think that they really started started worrying about what are we going to do
about these useless eaters. We can't they can't all be our slaves. There's
some of them are just going to be eating our scats, resources that we
need for our volcano islands and stuff. So yeah, I'm inasmuch as I
understand what you've told me about the natalist movement, I'd say, probably it's
a jolly good thing. But what kind of what, what kind of world
they're bringing their kids into? I would worry about. Well, that's often
a reason that people who are anti natalists give for not having children, isn't
it that they don't want to bring don't want to bring children into this this
terrible world, particularly kind of you know, um climate hysterics, who think
that there won't be a world for their children to enjoy in fifty years time
unless mankind meant its way. They don't have much hope of that. The
people, the people who promote that point of view that all these eco fascist
movements are sponsored by the predator class that just op oil, extinction, rebellion,
et cetera, et cetera. It's it's it's Baptists and boot bootleggers that
they are. They are in tune with the with the the Kabbal's agenda to
depopulate the world and turn us all into into slaves. So yeah, there
was a there was a thing called the voluntary human extinction movement. However,
you ever come across them. There they that they were committed to not having
children and possibly killing themselves, and the name was saving the planet. But
that that's that's how if you know, when people talk about the you know,
the coming AI apocalypse, people who are worried about AIS escaping their servers
in Google Google's headquarters and going rogue and trying to destroy humankind, and they
imagine that they'll do it by you know, triggering an exchange of intercontinental ballistic
missiles or taking over killer drones and sending them to attackers, and it'll be
like kind of you know, a terminator like war between man and machines.
Actually, all they'd need to do to wipe out mankind would just be too
persuade us not to have children. And I think they would. I mean,
I think that would be very easy most most, I mean I imagine
that even chat that, you know, the bing chatbox is already capable of
persuading seventy five percent of people between the ages of you know, sixteen and
twenty four never to have kids, because they'll just be endangering the planet if
they do, using our precious finite resources. That that's the form I think
it would take it would be kind of poisoning our minds through kind of manipulation
of persuasion. Nothing as dramatic as starting in nuclear war. The thing is
that the people who think these these things are not remotely representative. We hear
them disproportionately in our media. And this is why I so distrust the whole
of the mainstream media and the so called alternative media. You know, I
mean things like talk to the GP News. They are forever promoting these these
people from Extent rebellion and so on in the in the guise of well,
this is news and we are reporting on this movement. But they're not.
These are these are all fake things. These are these are all designed to
give give the impression that these viewers that these these these lunatics who who are
preyed upon, these are these are psychologically damaged people who are are preyed upon
and and and funded by and encouraged by the predator class in order to push
their their agenda. So you've got I mean, do you remember that that
extraordinary photograph of um Greta Thunberg. He had he had come to Parliament and
was being fated by Michael Gove. Um he had come to Parliament. Yes,
do you think, yeah, where you believed their James? Look at
look at look at how look at look at the way he's changing now.
I mean it's it's all yeah, um, but just just keep you happy
to Tbes I'll call him, I'll call him machine. Look at the hideous
photograph of Michael Gove beaming and that awful Green woman MP whose name temporarily eludes
me, and and I think one Ca and Lucas they were all beaming on
on this, this, this creature as this, this was the way forward.
What I'm saying is that is that the predator class, they their their
servants in Parliament, their agents in the in the media. Uh, they
have they're all, they're they're fully behind the Green agenda, um because they
because they do what they're told. And then you have these alleged grassroots movement
led by people like Retord Thumb. Thunberg is also a stooge of the elites.
That so, so we're attacked from both ways. Why why in order
to m mesmer people with kind of gretta, has the predator class decided to
take a boy and present her. What's your theory there? Why do they
think it would enhance their agenda. I'm just you don't have to know,
you don't have to be able to have to be able to explain everything.
I'm just just observing that she looks like a bloke as she gets older.
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for something, which is for turning me onto a really good TV SERI which
is the playlist. So I've now I'm now into i think episode four of
the playlist, and you were right. It's really good. It's um.
It's one of the best of that kind of genre about you know, corporate
heroics and drama in the same kind of mold as the one about the founder
of Uber, the one about Elizabeth Holmes, the one about the founder of
We Work. But I think it's probably the best of the lot. It's
really really good. It's it's it's um. I like the way I like
the way they've structured it, you know, based around different characters who have
a slightly different perspective on how Spotify became such a unbelievably successful company. I
like the fact that the characters break the fourth wall. It's got a kind
of theatrical dimension to it. It's not realistic, at least not straightforwardly realistic.
It sometimes kind of delves into a kind of more magic realist approach,
which is interesting. I mean it's it's yeah, it's really good, very
sophisticated. And also they hash out a lot of the arguments around you know
that we're raging at that time. You know, how how should the music
industry cope with something like Pirate Bay? Should music be free? Are organizations
like Pirate Bay actually stealing from artists? What is a reasonable amount that artists
should be paid from people who don't want to pay anything to listen to music?
So it's it's really good, top quality, highly recommended. Um,
yeah, I'm daddy, I'm ladd You you raised that one. I'll give
you some advice given you you appreciated my tips so far. Do not watch
the last episode. It is crap, it's dishonest, it's woke. It
completely undermines it's like it almost ruins everything's gone before. Really, So is
that one about the artist? Yes? The artist? Okay, Okay,
so they invent this this artist who is a um what is she is?
She's some kind of very talented soul singer. And there's a there's a there's
a completely made up scene where she goes to Congress to fight for the right
of a sort of more obscure artists to get their their fair share. It's
she doesn't insist. Um. The talking points that are raised in the episode
are dishonest talking points. It's like that they couldn't help but because they I
imagine that there must be Swedes, mustn't they the people who wrote the series,
Yeah, they just can't help being Swedish, you know, which means
that you are intrinsically woke. I thought, James, you know, she
didn't feel like a kind of a credible character at all, partly because,
as you say, she's she's one of the few characters he's completely made up.
Everything else is based on, you know, what actually happened, and
all the characters, the other characters are based on real people. But she's
also got I mean, I didn't. She didn't strike me as remotely charismatic.
She didn't have any star quality. The idea that she would become this
kind of you know, international singing sensation was always kind of a bit incredible.
But I would have thought that that what happened isn't that the Swedes just
couldn't help themselves. I would have thought that, you know, a group
of Swedish producers writers came up with this idea for a series based on the
creation of Spotify, but in order to sell it to Netflix, they had
to kind of drop in this kind of you know, woman of color who
is exploited by Spotify in order to kind of tell that story too, because
otherwise it would have just been about a bunch of white people starting a successful
company. Maybe maybe, um yeah, whatever the reason, just don't watch
the episode. You what you You'll be disappointed. It's it's just a slap
in the face. It's a bit like it's a bit like the End of
War and Peace, where where where it goes all weird and you think,
hang on a second, I read those thousand pages and now I'm having Tolstoy
going bonkers, right, Okay, well I might take your advice on that
one. Um So, the only other thing I wanted to mention is I
remember I struggled to think of the name of this new series on Netflix.
I started watching. I thought it was called The Night Manager, which is
kind of implausible because of course there is that John McCarry adaptation called The Manager.
In fact, it's called The Night Agent. And I and I and
I plunged back into it, having kind of abandoned it after episode two,
and I'm now into episode four, and I'm beginning to think that I'll probably
see it out. It's not it's not great, it's not up there with
Condor, but it's in the same vein, and I just do like you
love that genre, so I think I'll probably stick it out. Did you
watch any I was on the plane. Oh, by the way, I
had a dilemma here. Um. On the way out on the plane.
UM, we were going final boarding whatever it is where you go through the
final checkpoint and wife went through and I went through, and my ticket bleaked
and I thought, oh, no, I've been Probably the CCP have disbarred
me from traveling to Hong Kong or something because of my my you know,
I'm send it jorious or whatever. Um. And the woman said, ah,
it seems you've been upgraded. So so I had been I'd been upgraded,
and the wife hadn't, so I had a club class seat and the
wife didn't. What were you upgraded? Are you doing a travel piece or
something? Because I'm very I'm very very special times I'm you know, I
suppose the air line must have been Team James. It was b a good
old ba love love ba um. So what you've done in that situation,
I would have given the seat to my wife. I've been in that situation
and I gave the seat to my wife. For me, it was an
absolute no brainer. You always always give the seat to the wife. It's
just like it didn't even didn't even require a second thought in a happy wife,
happy life. Of course, when I posted this on Twitter and I
gave the options, as you know, should the head of the household get
the get the seat or should or happy wife, happy wife, and various
sort of stroppy women said, well, at least one stoppy woman said said,
oh, that's so outrageous. What a sexist thing to say. It's
not It's just a simple fact of life, isn't it. Happy wife,
happy happy life. It's it's and you'd have to be some kind of idiot
husband not to, you know, at the very least offer your wife the
better seat in that scenario rather than just blightly take it for yourself. But
also but cynicism aside from it, I do think it is an absolutely absolutely
our job as men to to maintain the old traditions of gallantry, of to
do the right thing for you a woman or women generally. I hate this
modern culture where where you're not allowed to open doors for women, and and
because that's you know, we're all eating were not you were often told that,
and you hear kind of you know, grumpy right wing gets complaining that.
You know, so many acdotally, so many people have experienced. I've
never I've never heard a woman complained to me when I stand up when she
comes into the room, or when I let her go first through a doorway
or open a door for her, or give up my seat. Well,
you've you've been, You've you've been lucky. I've I've heard I've heard my
children's generation complain about this, you know, because obviously I've raised raised my
boy children to do that that sort of thing, and occasionally they've been they've
been in a buff It does, it does happen. And more broadly,
our culture is geared towards this false notion that men and women are the same
and that therefore, you know, our behavior towards one another should be the
same. Anyway, Um, what I was going to ask you was before
that long digression, was did you find any films on the plane that you
actually wanted to see? Because I I really found one that I sort of
half found, the one I sort of sort of thought about, like tar
um, but couldn't bring myself in the end to watch what did what did
you watch? I ended up going for the whale? Oh yeah, I
did think about the world that was on my plane too, that was available.
Um, but I just the idea of Brendan Fraser and a Vats too
for two hours. I don't know if I could face it? Was it
actually quite entertain Well? I quite like that Darren Darren Arronovski. He's he's
I've seen quite a lot of his films, and he's he's he's weird and
and different, And I sort of even though the premises you say is absolutely
revolting, this really really what do they call when they're they're clinically when they're
so fat they can't move virtually? Yeah? And did you buy him as
a fat man? Or did you just look like a Hollywood actor in a
fat suit. No, I I brought him to him who was a fat
man. Alough, I'm outraged to hear that he that they couldn't find a
real person of fatness to play. The first thing is him having having a
wank over gay porn in his in his chair while eating fast food, which
so it's not I mean, Darren Aronowski is the one that gave us the
hideous double dildo sequence, isn't he in that other film whose name I keep
forgetting, the one about the drug addicts, which is very, very good.
I haven't seen that one. Even though I'm a big Jennifer Connolly fan,
I didn't like the idea of seeing her kind of laid low by heroin
addiction. It's the one that I recommended as a Christmas movie. That's my
favorite Christmas movie, and I somebody pretended to afford for it, but I
don't think they did. But anyway, Yeah, I just think it's amazing
that you can look through what twenty five films and not want to see a
single one of them. Yeah, well, I guess you've probably, like
most of us, you've probably seen all the ones that you're vaguely interested in
already, so there's nothing there to tempt you because the chocolates no one else
wants. Well, I didn't see new films because because they're all rubbish.
Why would I want to see new films. It's all just part of the
sile. But can I say my culture quarent tip my holiday reading that I've
taken um with me is Anna Corona and it is just the best, the
best novel ever. It is people, So I thought that Warren Peace was
supposed to be the best novel ever, but then people said, now,
actually, you know, Anna Kremna has got the edge, and you read
it and you just realize that it is the greatest. It's just didn't because
I knew what I kind of knew what happens. You know that this very
beautiful, very socially connected woman has this disastrous affair with this with this unsuitable
young man who's who's you know, who is very charming and aristocratic himself,
and it all goes horribly wrong, and you think, well, why do
I want to spend nine hundred and fifty pages being tortured by this doomed romance
where everyone's going to come unstuck. But the toll Story writes with such confidence.
It's like he knows that he's the best. He knows is that he's
he's writing the greatest novel ever, and it's just a joy to read.
I might try. I've never read a Toll Story. Um so um.
Have you read any any of the novels that are deemed to be that the
top five, say, or top ten? Well, I've read, yeah,
I mean I've I don't know what you put in the top ten dominate?
So you so you you I've read The Punishment, and I've read d
Right, Yeah, I've read I've read Middle March, Vanity Fair, David
Copperfield, all the Jane Austen's and if you put them in the top ten,
yeah, I think the problem is I was thinking that the closest we've
probably got to a Russian novel in our own literature is Middle March. And
Middle March is just really dull, isn't it. I mean you only have
to look at look at George Elliott to really she was never going to write
it. She was never going to write a sort of The thing of out
about the Russians is is, although I have this this this, this reputation
for writing these kind of uh these doorstoppers that are a real challenge to get
through. It's not true. They're immensely readable. I don't I don't ever
recall wading through Middle March and thinking I'm really enjoying reading about Kazebol and Dorothy
is just kind of it feels so worthy. I know, I like,
I like, I like Middle March. I feel easy to read. Yeah,
I think we're good at kind of chamber pieces like I mean, Austin
is fantastic even in warm more recently, I think is just one of the
best prose stylists ever. And I think that the sort of Honor trilogy is
is is what is getting close to our great literature. But the Russians and
maybe possibly that I haven't read. I haven't read Madam Bovy. I suppose
that's going to be next on my list. I think the Russians and the
French, but the Russians, the Russians Edgy yet they really don't know,
not even Edgyet. The Russians dominate just the best. You're still in your
Russian phase, so I'm i've I'm currently listening to an unabridged copy of Andrew
Roberts's biography of Churchill, which I'm really enjoying. I think church You know,
I called Roberts up about the thurther way that I said, Andrew,
I really don't like Churchill. He is such an entitled tosser. And he
said, no, no, weight what you realize that all this was preparation
for the great man he became. I'm not persuaded. I really not.
I agree it was an interesting read, but but I think, no,
I don't think it was Watson all either. I think there was some giants
that we weren't told about yet, giant warts weren't told about. Yeah,
it's it's it's definitely. He's definitely a kind of Partizan. Yeah, making
the case for the defense, but I find it I'm not that familiar with
the case for the prosecution. But nonetheless I find it quite persuasive, and
I quite liked the kind of you know, the theme running through, which
is as you as you just set out, which is that into Baris.
He did make lots of mistakes in the course of his career. Had he
not made those mistakes and learned from and he wouldn't have been such a successful
war leader did though I think he was a horrible, bugious little ship who
time and again kept sort of sacrificing lives completely pointlessly. I mean, okay,
so that so the Dardanelles he actually didn't learn from the darden Elles because
then he had had had Dppe. And I don't know what is involvement with
with Arlam was, but I expected thought it was a jolly good thing because
he he quite liked the idea of Cooter Mountin, didn't he. I know,
I really don't like the only the only book about the biograph of church
I've ever enjoyed was Churchill at the Gallop, which is written by Bruss Scott,
which was all about Churchill's life seen through equestrianism. So suddenly I got
interested about his polo playing career in India where he injured his arm so that
when to play wearing a sling, right when? Yeah, So when he
did his cavalry charge in at Omderman, he couldn't he couldn't wield his sword,
so bistol instead, which is yeah, so that's and he spent when
you realize how much he spent on hunting, that he was always always,
you know, demanding more money from Mama and Papa so that he could he
could be able to or trying to find ways of of maintaining his hunters.
He spent. He spent even more than you earnopes in a in a hunting
just just maintaining his I I find him m quite a sympathetic character, even
in his kind of um early bumptious face. I mean he's he's I mean,
you could tell he's sort of obviously rubbed up many people the wrong way
by being kind of socially not very intelligent, possibly a bit spectrum and spectrumy.
It was incredibly diligent and hard working. He was like Boris, but
without the kind of intellectual sloth. You know, he was unbelievably intellectually curious
and would dig down deep into a subject and really try and master it in
a way that Boris never does. And you know, his emotions were always
quite close to the surface. He would often burst into tears. His letters
to Clementine are beautiful and moving. I don't know, and I find him
I think that you're taking up face value the you know, the judgment of
his kind of stuck up upper class contemporaries who didn't like him because you know,
he didn't played again the brownson of the Duke of Marlborough. It was
hardly you know, he was hardly sort of a strugging to get hold in
the world of toss. No, that's true. I'm not I wouldn't try,
and I wouldn't deny his aristocratic lineage. But but because he because he
because he didn't conform to you know, the more rays of the day.
I think that's one of the reasons he was. He wasn't more popular,
and his career came on stuff. You know what his name, I don't
think it was just gets mentioned what what his his nickname was in parliament It
was ship House because because of his initials WC. Right right, yeah,
anyway, well obviously we're not going to get that from a hageography. To
read between the last final I think I think I thought there was that brings
a bell. Now I think that might be in there. Anyway, I'm
enjoying it, and yeah, it's it's long too. It's about fifty hours
of It's not as goes down the corround. Now I can tell you having
red having read both for all at least start ticket. All right, all
right, well, enjoy your enjoy your calendar. Yeah, and have a
good time in Hong Kong. When are you back now, I'm staying out.
I'm staying out, so well, I'll do another podcast, not from
one call. I'll tell you what I'll tell you on the next past of
podcast. Where I'm going next. Okay, all right, exciting Okay,
James, good to talk to you Tuesday. Okay, yeah, yeah,
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