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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
UFO Radio. This is your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I am all
Bamase today, no Martin, no Loue

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Alessando either. But don't worry.
Don't worry. I have a lot of

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good information. In fact, I
think this is going to be better because

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what I decided is, you know, but there I'm getting in a lot

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of questions for Lou Elizondo, who
used to run that Pentagon program, the

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Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification program, and
I'm realizing, you know, a lot

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of people don't completely understand what a
tip was or what they did, and

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there's a lot of confusion. So
I decided, you know, what would

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be a good idea is to share
with you all kind of the timeline of

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how all this happened. You know, what happened when and who, and

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I think that way people will have
a better understanding of how all of this

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works before we go into the interview
with Lou, which should be next week.

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If not next week, trust me, it's going to be very very

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soon. It'll probably be next week. And I'll still include in this timeline

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some exclusive information I've gotten from Lou
recently that others haven't, and actually a

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lot of that will also be in
the news that I'll be covering in just

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a minute, So we'll be going
over this really important timeline here very soon,

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just after the break. I also
want to say, though, the

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news is really important this week,
and I have some great stuff in there

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too regarding all of this, including
updates from Lou. But first, c

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Intro Open Minds CUFO Radio presents credible
UFO news and information from a journalistic point

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of view, So this is substantiated, credible information from the mainstream. We

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do, of course, have guests, and we do speculate and things at

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time, but we're calling speculation speculation. This isn't all just about speculation,

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whereas a lot of the UFO field
is about mythology and speculation. We're bringing

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you the facts and the details and
the info, and right now is a

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very unique time in history because we're
getting a lot of very credible information,

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great stuff, and so I'll be
sharing a lot of that with you throughout

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the show. So stay tuned.
Let's go ahead and get into that news

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first. So if you go to
Openminds dot tv, we've always got the

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news the UFO headlines on the front
page, and there have been some really

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important headlines this week. Let's get
into that. First of all, exclusive

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the ITEAM confirms the Pentagon did release
the UFO videos. So there has been

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some question as to where the UFO
videos that were in the New York Times

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article and that to the stars this
UFO organization started by Tom DeLong all came

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from. Now it's kind of funny
because even though these questions exist in the

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mainstream, nobody's really been asking about
these Why Because when the world learned about

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these videos that they existed, it
was through the New York Times in December

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twenty seventeen. The New York Times
had said, Hey, you know,

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this Pentagon project existed that was looking
into UFOs. Here's details, here's some

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cases they looked at, and it
include these videos they said they got from

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the DoD. Now, when it
comes to mainstream media, and I know

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a lot of you look probably negative
on mainstream media, but you know,

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and they are. They don't do
their typical due diligence typically in the UFO

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arena, but in this case they
certainly did. They held this story to

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the standards that they hold all their
other stories. So all the information that

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they presented was carefully vetted, and
they were able to make sure that everything

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they received was real and on the
up and up before they reported that.

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How can I say this with such
strong confidence. It's because I'm one of

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the few people who have interviewed Leslie
Kane, one of the authors of the

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New York Times article, and she's
confirmed all of this with us. Am

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I you know, I'm not also
saying emphasizing that, you know, I'm

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one of the few who have interviewed
her on this topic to make myself seem

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special, No, just the opposite. What's frustrating about this situation is there's

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a lot of people casting doubt and
also implying that there's some poor reporting or

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that there are some people being dishonest, but they're not going to the sources

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of the information to even find that
out. What's frustrating, and Leslie and

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I have talked about this lately,
is that I'm one of the few people,

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if not the only, person,
that has asked her about many of

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these things, despite the number of
people out there speculating and casting suspicion and

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also guesting implications that are all completely
accurate. So I've known this for a

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long time, right after, you
know, I interviewed her soon after that

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report came out. So we've had
this information. We've known how she got

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this and where and why they believe
that, you know, these were definitely

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d D videos. And in fact, I wrote an article on this,

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and I'll talk to you guys about
that just a second. But a part

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of this was this form, the
d D nineteen ten, And this is

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a form that essentially is used to
present to the higher ups to say,

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hey, is it okay to release
this information, and then the information is

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released. Leslie in our interview right
after she helped with that New York Times

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article, said that they had a
copy of this d D nineteen ten and

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they verified it was real. And
that's one of the reasons they knew,

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you know, these videos came from
the DoD. This form had said.

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So, Well, the news is
in this Klas story that I'm talking about

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here, is that finally we've been
able to see this form. The New

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York Times did not release that form. No one has, despite a few

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people including myself, having seen a
copy of the form, but nobody had

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permission to release it. Well,
George Napp finally got it with Klas.

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George Napp of course, being a
great investigative journalst In fact, he's the

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go to guy really with this story. I would think that maybe I'm the

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number two go to guy with this
story because I'm spending so much time to

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verify and get you information. But
George Napp is the best. I mean,

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George Nap is really digging. He's
going to Washington, he's getting all

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this great information and he released the
d D nineteen ten and as he said,

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the ITEAM confirms the Pentagon did release
the UFO videos. Well, there

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has been some doubt, and you
know, to be fair, all of

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the doubt was It's not like all
this doubt was silly. It was a

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little bit warranted in that. George
or I'm sorry, John Greenwald of The

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Black Vault asked the DoD about these
videos and he wanted to see that for

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him, but the DoD told him
we had nothing to do with the videos

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that were released. In fact,
this is really important their verbiage. So

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I'm gonna read exactly what they told
him. They told John, the d

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D has not released the videos related
to this program. So people are like,

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what you know, DoD didn't have
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though New York Times told us they
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It's one of the reasons people were
legitimately questioning all of this. Well,

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when this Klas story came out on
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released my last show, essentially the
George John Greenwald got another response from the

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d D. And it's kind of
interesting that John Greenwald is the first one

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the d D gives information to.
In fact, here's what I predicted it,

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and I'm not I'm trying to be
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is the truth. I predicted that
John Greenwald would be the first one that

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would get a response from the DoD, and that instead of just kind of

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putting out this response, that somehow
it would be spun to criticize to the

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stars of Elizondo as opposed to criticizing
the DoD. And sure enough, that's

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what happened. But what's spectacular,
what's interesting is what they did tell John

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Greenwald told him that they confirmed that
the DD nineteen ten is real. They

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did say at the end of their
document that the submitted requested that the videos

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solely be released solely for research and
analysist purpose by the US government agencies and

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industry partners, and not for the
general public release. So John said,

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you know what, the DOOD confirms
they did not release these videos, but

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that's not really what happened here.
They confirmed the DD nineteen ten is real,

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So they did confirm that the documents
were they had released this video.

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In fact, if you look at
the document now, what the DoD is

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referring to is that there were some
stipulations in this document as to what these

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videos would be used for, at
least in the request. The request who

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We're not sure who that is.
We have not come from firm who that

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is, and lou has said that
he cannot confirm who that is either.

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But this is what they wrote.
They said when it came to where it

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was going to be presented, they
wrote not applicable, not for publication,

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research and analysis only, and info
sharing with other usg and industry partners for

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the purpose of developing a database to
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UAS threats. What is UAS,
you may be wondering, which is a

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great question. There's a couple ways
I've seen that term used. There is

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the most common usage, which is
a unmanned aerial system. But another way

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that term has been used is an
unidentified aerial system. We should have Lou

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on the show soon, so we'll
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what he feels that that term had
meant. But what we do not see

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here is that it's not released for
the general public. In fact, this

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document is to release information to the
public. It's called a clearance request for

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public release, and it was approved
on August twenty fourth, twenty seventeen,

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and the videos were released. Nowhere
on here does it say it's not released

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to the general public. In fact, it it is for databases for industry

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partners. But it doesn't say that
these databases cannot be public facing. The

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only thing it says is it's not
for publication. But a publication is a

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publishing like in a book or in
a journal or in an article, which

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in August twenty seventeen, apparently you
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that. Some people are asking,
well, then how did it get into

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New York Times. Well, this
document wasn't the document that released it to

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the New York Times. We don't
necessarily know. We have some information and

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I'll share that with you new information
from Leslie, who's essentially saying, yes,

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they're real. You know, we
were given these videos and we verified

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their real So I'm not even sure
why there's any question here. So the

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DoD's comment to John Greenwald was not
accurate. It was released to the general

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public. Why are they spinning it
like this? Why did they do that?

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It doesn't surprise me at all because
the DoD public relations department has not

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been very forthcoming when it comes to
all of this. I have had no

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Foyer requests. I've called, I've
contacted them, I've talked to some people,

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I've emailed. They haven't given me
anything. And it's not just me,

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of course, I'm kind of low
man on the totem poll. It's

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not like I'm coming from a larger
news organization and asking for information. But

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others have not received information as well. You know, John seems to be

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receiving most of the information. So
it I think there's here's me speculating again.

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But and I've learned a lot about
FOYA through John Greenwald and how these

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departments work. Not only that,
but by writing about UFO, and often

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these departments are wrong at the beginning
or they will not give us information until

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a big news organization comes into the
scene and they start asking questions and they

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get more headway. Or they'll tell
us they don't have records and it turns

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out that they do. And that's
why a public relations department is just for

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that what the public is going to
see, you know, a spin and

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making it a positive story for that
military organization. So I don't think they

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wanted to just outright and address that
they were lying. I mean, I

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think that would have been the honest
way to do it. And maybe they

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weren't lying, maybe they were wrong. And we've seen this before where they

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said we did not know that there
actually was information related to this, which

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is fair and probably honest, and
that's probably what should have been done in

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this case, is that we were
not aware of this document. It turns

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out that the DoD did release these
videos, that would have been an honest

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way to do it. But to
say that it was released for general public

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release, it's just not accurate at
all. And even if it wasn't,

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again, this document does not bar
you know, these databases to be from

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being public facing. I mean,
this was a public release. That's what

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this document was for and that's what
happened here. So just to make you

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all clear on that, there have
been some other people who have piped in

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a bit, so, like I
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my story which was a follow up
to you know, George Knapp's story,

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which kind of clarified some of these
questions about these details. Leslie Kane wrote

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when she posted my story for those
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about the source of the d D
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not have this document from a reliable
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the videos were from the DoD.
She even went further to make a comment

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later on, thanks to Alejandro and
Nick Pope, and thanks for all the

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comments. Nick Pope had jumped in
and said, you know, he could

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verify that New York Times, you
know really scrutinizes if information before it comes

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out, so it's got to be
legit. So she goes on to say,

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Nick makes a strong point about the
rigor of the New York Times.

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We at the Times received the dd
Forum nineteen ten, which clears the three

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videos for public release in late twenty
seventeen with no reactions. This was one

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of many documents that Ralph and I
brought to our initial meeting with Mark Mazzetti

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at The New York Times. We
could never have published the videos otherwise.

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The document was provided confidentially from a
reliable source and was without question legitimate,

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and other documents and interviews must remain
confidential as requested by our sources. No

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need for all the wheels that have
been spinning questions questioning a Tip and our

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story. The Times has the highest
bar of any media. In the story,

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we clearly described the purpose of a
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did Senator Read, and some people
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knew that the program was ongoing despite
what the DoD told us, and it

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is not surprising to me that a
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The program was too obscure, with
only a handful of people even aware

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of it, buried along with hundreds
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system. I learned from my FOYA
lawsuit against NASA, which was settled in

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my favor in federal court in lasted
years, how hard it can be to

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get access to documents through FOYA we
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for one instant lead me to doubt
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of course it was a Kexburg case
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get documents, and she didn't get
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them, and she even got to
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you know, come see for yourself, and sure enough, the documents

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were not there. So you know, now you have it from multiple sources,

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not just me. You know,
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of are essentially trying to spin this, these are definitely you know, as

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George n App here says George Napp
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Go Fast, Gimbal and Flair,
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TAC encounter. Personal information was redacted, but the document shows authorization for release

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was granted on August twenty fourth,
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the Department of Defense directive, which
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The forum shows the videos were released
by the book. So I love for

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all of you to go to these
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determine for yourselves. You know all
of this, but it's pretty simply lead

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out there. And again, you
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mainstream media is really questioning. It's
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get into these sort of details.
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most people's minds that the DoD did
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story. The other big story is
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information to general public expected. This
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of people have written about this,
and essentially the Navy had said that they're

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going to write up these UFO guidelines. Well, the Washington Post went back

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to them to follow up on the
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what are these guidelines? And you
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tell the public and all this sort
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we're not going to tell you the
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we're not going to give you any
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huge story out there that nobody's going
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not going to share information, and
so a lot of us were pretty bombed,

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thinking, oh great, that kind
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know the program exists, so hopefully
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UFO reporting procedures, why even tell
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kind of roll it out secretly and
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Lou Elisondo has given us a little
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Lou about this and he said that, you like Tom DeLong has said.

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story, there's also a commentary that
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another member of To the Stars.
They both have explained how To the Stars

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was integral to getting the Navy to
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saying. In a way it is. He said, they're raw data is

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going to be classified, that will
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they will be providing information to Congress
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be taken and it will be prepared
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He said it's similar to nukes in
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the details about everything they know and
the information they've gathered about the nukes in

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North Korea, but they do give
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are. They do prepare some of
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the same thing will be happening with
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be prepared for public release. So
we'll ask Lou more about that and how

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he knows so much about that on
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so there is some hope there.
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that's another exclusive that you'll get here
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only shared that on social media.
I need to really write a story about

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that. But let's see what else
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lot of stories about that. We've
got Bloomberg writing about the Navy and the

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UFOs. We've got a lot of
different places writing about that. Wow,

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we're really running out of time for
the news. Some other editorials, this

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is a good one on the Saint
Louis Post Dispatch. New Navy guidelines could

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remove stigma for pilots. Essentially,
this is a guy making the argument there's

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no reason that a Navy pilot should
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something they cannot identify. That pilot
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this object, you know, doing
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that this object may or may not
pose, and then be completely clear of

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any fear when reporting the information about
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you know, because this is valuable
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These are important intelligence gathering moments that
nothing should get in the way.

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mainstream coming into and writing supportive pieces
about UFOs. Wt IP has this their

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news organization that sought out this UFO
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we posted there. There's a story
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is a Florida Area UFO kind of
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reviewed and they interviewed Robert Powell from
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kind of this serious phase that UFOs
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some of the fringe ideas out there, so we're having a lot of articles

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along those lines. Also I did
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UK tabloid. As you all know, I try to stick away from those,

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and they're really getting some crazy stories
out there. But this one's just

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kind of interesting. It says Area
fifty one bombshell good papers prove FBI rated

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property looking for stolen substance. This
is a Bob Blazar story I told you

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about last week. So really,
again it's not something that really got picked

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up by the media because it's kind
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details. But this is related to
last week where we found out that Bob

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Lazar's house was raided because they were
looking for a drug that was used to

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kill someone. Now, Bob Lazar
was not arrested. It does not appear

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he had anything to do with what
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what the root of that raid was, according to law enforcement. So that's

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the news for the week. We're
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information regarding the timeline of how eight
tip a SAP, how this all happened,

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and where does my information come it
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comes from interviews, it comes from
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of my sources as we go through
this. Go get your notepads, Go

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get your pens or pencils, and
your highlighters because you're going to want to

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take notes here people. But we'll
be right back after this short break.

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You're listening to Open minds UFO Radio. Welcome back to Open Mind GFO Radio.

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I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and we are going to be

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talking about asp A, TIP and
TTSA. What the heck is all that

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alphabet soup well ASAP is the Advanced
Aerospace Weapons System Application Program. A TIP

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is the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. These are the Pentagon programs that investigated

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UFOs and the paranormal Bump Bump mom
TSA that is To the Stars Academy that

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was created by Tom DeLong and the
guy who ran the Pentagon program a TIP,

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Luis Elizondo now works with to the
Stars. To the Stars also includes

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very very high level officials who have
retired but have an interest in UFOs and

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are pursuing that interest with Lou and
Tom and others. That includes Chris Mellon

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he's a very important individual. He
used to work for He was the deputy

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Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence
in the Clinton and Bush administrations. He's

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worked at Capitol Hill for many years. He was the Minority Staff director of

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the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence,
a number of things. So essentially he's

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been working in Washington in the intelligence
field at these very high level positions for

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a very long time. And now
he's working for a UFO company. Of

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course, there's Louise Elizondo who've talked
about. Another one of these individuals is

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Steve Justice. Now, Steve Justice
worked for Lockheed Martin. He was a

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program director for Advanced Systems for Lockheed
Martin. This is a group that's better

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known as skunk Work. So this
is actually the group that was tasked with

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finding Area fifty one and building it
so they could build all of these secret

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project for the CIA, including things
like the U two, the SR seventy

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one, these very very very high
tech aircraft. And now this guy who

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used to work for this program is
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Another one of these individuals, and
this is the one that we're going

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to get into first, is doctor
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founder and vice president of Science and
Technology for the Stars. He also is

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a president and CFO CEO of EarthTech
International. We'll get more into doctor Pudoff,

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but these are some of the important
people running to the Stars with Tom

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DeLong, and this is kind of
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they're the ones that are going to
have this History Channel show coming up May

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thirty first, So I've been able
to share some information on that. In

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fact, I can share I saw
the first episode, and I know I'm

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kind of a Pollyanna that everything's great, Everything's wonderful, be happy, Joy

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Joy kind of guy. And so
it may not be a surprise to you

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when I say that I thought the
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it was good. I mean I
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because they were presenting such credible information. I mean, all these people that

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I just listed pretty much are involved
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extremely high, and they are introduced, their backgrounds are talked about, and

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they're talking about and investigating UFOs in
this History Channel show. It's extremely exciting.

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And I got confirmation when my girlfriend
said Karen Brard, the owner of

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the UFO Congress, was like,
this is really good. I'm really excited,

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and I was like, yes,
that's what I'm thinking too. She

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went so far as to say it
was the best UFO show she's ever seen.

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So I don't know, I liked
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would say that I'm being hesitant of
being too biased pro this show because it

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was so good and I did like
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that people are going to be really
excited when they do get a chance to

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watch that. So the show is
really good. But those are kind of

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the guys in the background. So
let's get into the timeline. How did

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this all come about? And we're
going to take this in two different or

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a few different chunks. I'm going
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little bit more palatable so we can
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other thing that I think is really
important is, like I discussed with Eric

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Davis, when Eric Davis said,
it's ridiculous that these guys are trying to

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make this into some grand conspiracy.
You know that there's a puppet master they're

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controlling what we're doing. That's insane. I mean, we're doing this of

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our own volition. And Leslie Kane
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told us the same thing. And
these are people that have, of their

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own volition made these things happen.
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that there's some sort of puppet masters
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people have done. I've put forth
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of puppet master out there, they
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because let's take how put Off for
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He's a scientist. He's been working
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for a very long time, and
he has been working, in particular on

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paranormal topics that he has been fighting
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He started doing this before I was
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that he was involved with was remote
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seventy two, how put Off,
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CIA and the Stanford Research Institute in
researching remote viewing. What is remote viewing?

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For those of you who don't know. It's essentially esp it's a psychic

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ability of viewing something at a distance. So the procedures vary, but the

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procedure generally is it's kind of a
double blind study. So essentially you have

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a guy who is conducting this remote
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guy who's conducting it is handed an
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the remote view and say, okay, remote view target sixty five three two

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one. And the remote viewer then
does their procedure where and there's different ways

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they can do it to write down
information to try to figure out what this

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thing is, and then they'll look
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to find out whether they're accurate or
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they've said, we're twenty percent right, And you may think, well twenty

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percent, what can you do that
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where's grandma? The chances are you're
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the way it was put to me
in an interview on this you know podcast

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by one of the main remote viewers, Joe mcmonagall, was that, hey,

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twenty percent's better than nothing. If
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know, you've got no leads,
you don't know who murdered Jane Doe,

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you can try the remote viewers and
at least you have a twenty percent chance

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that you're going to get some information
that's going to help you find someone,

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whereas it's better than zero percent.
And their program supposedly worked. There's a

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really good documentary out called Third Eye
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and you know, Joe mcmonagall in
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if this didn't work, why was
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during several administrations, this program kept
going and we were busy. We had

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law enforcement agencies from all over the
place coming to us to remote view stuff,

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and we did solve cases. You've
got to see this this documentary.

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But essentially how put of. Russell
targ was another scientist involved. There were

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other scientists. Kit Green I believe
was involved, another guy who is a

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medical scientist who works with with the
CIA. You know, some of these

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others were involved. Now, this
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There were various remote viewing programs,
so one in particular that the CIA had

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was called Stargate. It went through
different names, but that was its last

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name. But why did it end? Allegedly it ended because religious people in

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the government, these religious cabals we
just use that word, because if they

411
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are fairly organized, felt that this
was demonic, that this esp stuff should

412
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:01.880
not be done. The guy government
should not be involved with any of this

413
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:07.480
stuff because it's demonic, and it
closed down. So this story is important

414
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:13.400
for a couple reasons. The religious
aspect we'll get into, and you've heard,

415
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.320
you know me talk about this before, but we'll talk about this more

416
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:19.360
in a minute, especially when we
talk about a tip. But the other

417
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.880
side of this story and why it's
important, is it shows that this gentleman,

418
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how put off, he's been working
in the science field in these paranormal

419
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:32.320
topics for decades before I was born, trying to get the government to pay

420
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:37.440
attention to paranormal phenomena, that some
of it's legit and it can be used,

421
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:44.760
and also, you know, making
it publicly more palatable for people to

422
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:46.840
see that there is something serious to
this, and some of you have probably

423
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:51.719
seen remote viewing stories, so they
are getting out there that hey, wow,

424
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:54.199
this remote viewing thing is something that
really happened. Put Off is still

425
00:34:54.239 --> 00:35:00.400
doing that. And essentially when he
moved forward or some of what he was

426
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:06.599
able to do after remote viewing was
work with Bob Bigelow. So this is

427
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.280
the next section of the story we're
going to talk about, and it's another

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00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:14.960
historical piece, which is Bob Bigelow. So who is this guy. Bob

429
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:21.559
Bigelow is a real estate guy.
He made billions of dollars in real estate

430
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:25.000
in Las Vegas. But he's also
been into the paranormal, mostly because of

431
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:32.000
a citing that his grandparents have had
had So when he had amassed enough money,

432
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:35.360
he decided, you know what,
I'm going to spend some of my

433
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.719
billions of dollars on researching the paranormal
to find out what the heck's going on.

434
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In nineteen ninety five, the same
year that the Stargate program ended,

435
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:52.159
he created a group called KNIDS,
the National Institute for Discovery Sciences. He

436
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.840
gathered a bunch of scientists and essentially
what they wanted to do was research the

437
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:01.559
paranormal He actually funded a lot of
out there and they did quite a few

438
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:07.639
investigations and they created papers related to
these investigations. These days, these papers

439
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.440
are a bit hard to find.
Actually. One of those was on black

440
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:16.199
triangles. What was interesting there is
that they looked in the government to find

441
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:22.760
out if there were any black triangle
aircraft, especially that had propulsion systems that

442
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:27.920
were exotic, so something that we
might not recognize, to see are they

443
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:34.599
ours or are they someone else's.
NIDS actually determined we do not have black

444
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:39.480
triangles that maneuver in the way these
witnesses are talking about. This phenomena is

445
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:45.760
something that is not human related.
So that's the sort of reports that they

446
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:53.480
were doing. In nineteen ninety six
is when the Skinwalker Ranch started to become

447
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:58.840
a big deal. So Skinwalker Ranch, of course is where all this paranormal

448
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:01.920
stuff was happening. We know about
Skinwalker Ranch because of George Knapp. He

449
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:07.760
wrote an article or a book with
Colin Kellahar, which was nid's lead scientists

450
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.159
in two thousand and five. They
wrote this book about Skinwalker So we heard

451
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.800
about all this weird stuff. Well, I'm not sure when I've got to

452
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.000
get this piece in here. Actually, sometime between nineteen ninety six and nineteen

453
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:27.320
ninety nine, Bigelow actually bought Skinwalker
Ranch and put a bunch of scientists there

454
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:32.800
to start to research it. That's
when George Knapp said he first visited Skinwalker

455
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:36.960
Ranch. All kinds of weird stuff
happened there. Of course, we talked

456
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:42.039
to Jeremy Corbel about that with his
Skinwalker movie. Definitely go see his movie

457
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.880
and read the book if you're interested
in the Skinwalker. Lots of crazy stuff

458
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:50.599
happened there. And we also talked
to Eric Davis last week. So Eric

459
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.199
Davis talked to us about some of
the weird stuff that he experienced as one

460
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:59.920
of those NID scientists at Skinwalker with
us last week. He's also the guy

461
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.639
who saw and we kind of alluded
to this, but I've already talked about

462
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.639
it, and that's why I didn't
have him describe it, because we were

463
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.440
running out of time. I had
lots of questions for him. But he's

464
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.960
one of the guys who, like
two in the morning, they're looking down

465
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.519
in the valley and they see this
orb, and this orb keeps growing and

466
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:21.400
then they see in this orb what
looks like a bipedal, you know,

467
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:27.519
entity some like creature that crawls out
of this orb and then the orb disappears.

468
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:30.559
So you know, that was something
he witnessed. It's one of the

469
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:37.159
weird, weird things that happened there. So things began to slow down actually

470
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:40.320
at the ranch paranormal wise in the
early two thousands. This is a lot

471
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:44.960
of this we heard from George Napp
himself when he was on this show just

472
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:50.800
a few months ago. When things
slowed down, then George Napp was allowed

473
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:55.800
to write some Skinwalker articles and then
also write the Skinwalker book, and that

474
00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:00.960
book came out in two thousand and
five, so you know, later on,

475
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:07.519
Robert Bigelow was interviewed by Sixty Minutes
and he talked about how he knows

476
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:12.519
there are aliens here. He knows
that UFOs some of them are aircraft,

477
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:16.599
you know, are spacecraft that are
piloted by aliens. That aliens are here,

478
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.840
and he knows this through research,
and he spent so much money on

479
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:24.760
it, and he's certain of that. He's certainly more certain of all that

480
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:30.159
than I am. But he is. You know, this is a guy,

481
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.239
in other words, who has a
lot of money, who threw his

482
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:37.639
own will decided to make this happen. Now more lately, he's been more

483
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:44.519
a bit more hesitant about getting involved
with the paranormal, at least in a

484
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:52.480
public way, because he started this
company called Bigelow Aerospace back in you know

485
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.800
what, I need to get that
date. Let me look that up for

486
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:01.119
you all. But he started Bigelow
Aerospace somewhere in the early two thousands.

487
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:06.400
But this, of course was a
company to create aerospace products. He wanted

488
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.880
to get into the space industry,
just like Elon Musk and Bezos and all

489
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:15.960
of these others. So he worked
with NASA, and NASA was shuttling this

490
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:20.800
program. They were getting rid of
this program where they had these inflatable habitats.

491
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:27.760
So Robert Bigelow bought that project and
then started to develop this. This

492
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:32.599
is around two thousand and two when
Bigelow got involved. So he bought this

493
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:38.239
program from NASA and then he started
building these habitats and he's been very successful

494
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:43.760
with it. There's one of these
habitats on the International Space Station right now.

495
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.840
There are two others that are just
floating around in orbit by themselves.

496
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:53.239
And what he hopes to do is
to sell these platforms to NASA or to

497
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:59.199
private companies or even individuals, so
anybody can have a platform in space.

498
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.320
Forms also work for basis. You
could create a moon base, you can

499
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.239
create a you can do all kinds
of things with them. And because they're

500
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:12.079
inflatable, you know, they're compacts, so they can flit in the nose

501
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.639
cone of a rocket and go up
there and be dropped off and then they

502
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:22.719
inflate. So and the skin is
actually tougher than the rigid material that they

503
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.639
currently use, Like for the International
Space Station, you'd be safer in one

504
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:30.679
of Bigelow's habitats than the rest of
the space station because the material is stronger

505
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:37.760
and it is less penetrable than the
rest of the structure. So that's what

506
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:43.400
Bigelow is up to since the early
two thousands. So that's kind of you

507
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.400
know, the reason I think all
of this history is so important, and

508
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:51.519
I think many many do not realize
this, especially in the mainstream, that

509
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:58.039
these guys have an entire history,
a whole lifetime of researching the paranormal and

510
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:05.079
working and in some cases spending millions
and millions of dollars to scientifically investigate the

511
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:10.079
paranormal and to make it more credible
for the general public. This is all

512
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:15.679
what happened before any of this a
tip stuff. But now let's move on

513
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:21.920
to Tom DeLong. And the reason
I'm move into Tom DeLong next is that

514
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.760
publicly, this is what we began
to hear next, This is how the

515
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:31.320
public began to hear about more going
on behind the scenes, and we heard

516
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:38.559
it from a very unlikely source,
Tom DeLong. So let's get back up

517
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:44.920
to here. So now we're moving
into the future. So Tom DeLong,

518
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:53.119
one of the first stories that he
came out with regarding his interest in UFOs

519
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:59.719
was with the Rolling Stone In Let's
see when was this story. This was

520
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:07.000
in April of twenty sixteen. He
did an interview about leaving Blink one eighty

521
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.320
two. That's the band that Tom
DeLong used to be the front man for,

522
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:15.440
a very popular band to this day
even without him. He talked to

523
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:20.679
Rollie Stone about leaving Blank one eighty
two for UFOs. He said that he

524
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:25.079
was working with a lot of people
behind the scenes, including government insiders,

525
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:31.360
to release this incredible information about UFOs. Of course, people were kind of

526
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:35.039
like, yeah, right, you
know, who's going to believe this?

527
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:40.599
Goofy rock star and he did share
some pretty odd opinions on UFOs, at

528
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:47.559
least odd to me. It's odd
in that they seem like unlikely stories.

529
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:53.519
There are stories if you go to
UFO conference or if you listen to you

530
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:58.320
know, a lot of the UFO
mythology out there. They're not that different

531
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.280
from those ideas that you know,
UFOs aren't here. There could be a

532
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:07.840
secret space program and battles with aliens
and some kind of out there ideas.

533
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.400
But a lot of people, you
know, I used to entertain more of

534
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:14.719
those ideas before I did more research
into all of this, and now I'm

535
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.239
more skeptical of those ideas. But
you know, that was the kind of

536
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:22.119
things he was talking about at times, so people weren't taking him that seriously.

537
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:30.960
In July of twenty sixteen, Tom
DeLong then posted something on Instagram.

538
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:34.599
It was a picture of the gates
at Area fifty one and he said he

539
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.679
met with a multi star general who
gave him who helped him out on his

540
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:45.239
quest to getting UFO information. He
said that this general essentially told him that

541
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:49.599
he'll help him with people, getting
him in touch with people, and this

542
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.599
general also alluded to that, you
know, this is a real thing and

543
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:58.719
that he had seen an alien body. So it got a little more interesting

544
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:00.760
there. But still I think people
were like, well, how can you

545
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:07.159
trust this guy? How can you
trust this rock star that any of this

546
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:12.360
is true? He could be making
it up and it just doesn't ring credible.

547
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.639
Why would these people, these insiders, work with this goofy rock star

548
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:21.840
guy. You know, That's what
people had felt. And luckily, at

549
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.719
this time I had already known Tom
DeLong. He worked with Open Minds and

550
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.440
reposted some of our stories, including
mine, on his website Strange Times,

551
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:37.559
so we at least were conversing.
Some of my colleagues, Jason and Maureen

552
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:40.519
had done an interview with him,
and so we were familiar with him and

553
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:44.599
his work at this time, so
we knew he was into this stuff.

554
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:47.719
So at least I was actually a
little less skeptical than the rest of the

555
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:52.119
world because I, at least I
knew that he was serious about all this

556
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.440
stuff, and I didn't think that
he would lie to anybody, and especially

557
00:45:55.599 --> 00:46:00.519
us, so that was not his
mo. You know, he would share

558
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:05.639
information even if it felt dubious.
It was something that he believed to be

559
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:13.039
the case, Surprisingly to everyone,
including us, or at least including me.

560
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:19.400
In July twenty sixteen, we began
to find out that Tom DeLong was

561
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:24.280
telling the truth because at this time
this is when John Podesta's emails began to

562
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:31.079
come out in Wiki leaks. John
Podesta was the manager of Hillary Clinton's presidential

563
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:37.320
campaign, and we hear about all
the time right now about the Russians hacking

564
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:43.320
and sharing information that hurt Hillary Clinton's
campaign, and of course Samola report,

565
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:46.360
all of this is all about that. Well, in those emails that were

566
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:53.480
leaked were a number of emails that
were between Tom DeLong and John Podesta.

567
00:46:54.880 --> 00:47:00.679
So going back, some of the
earliest ones who were from nineteen are from

568
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:07.719
twenty fifteen, and for instance,
there were emails. One of those was

569
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:12.000
really I felt was really interesting,
and this is one that I think is

570
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:16.480
very revealing. A lot of people
have asked why Tom DeLong. Here's what

571
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:22.920
I think is the answer to that
question. In one of these emails,

572
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:28.719
one from September twenty fifteen, this
is from DeLong to Podesta. He wrote

573
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:36.800
the general's thoughts and this apparently is
regarding a memo that the White House would

574
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.800
release about UFOs. That's the assumption. And let me read this and let

575
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:44.519
me see you guys could see what
you think. But that seems to be

576
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:49.199
the case general thoughts. It says
I was thinking a bit more about a

577
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.679
White House memo, or what a
White House memo should say, something like

578
00:47:52.760 --> 00:48:00.280
these points to all federal agencies in
light of the President's policy on stage M

579
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:07.960
quote in parentheses citing official policy encouraging
the study of science, technology, engineering,

580
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:15.000
and math some background on your project. The administration encourages a favorable public

581
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:22.480
affairs position by all agencies. Appointees
from NASA to lead this kind of public

582
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:27.519
outreach is in NASA's job jar and
if no agency is appointed, all will

583
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:31.679
simple note and file the memo and
likely do nothing and then finally to coordinate

584
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:37.800
with d D, D, N, NOAA, the other major space actors,

585
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.599
putting a bit of light on them. So this is really interesting.

586
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:51.039
This seems to indicate that Tom DeLong
was working with John Podesta on a program,

587
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.360
some sort of White House program regarding
UFOs, and that you know,

588
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:59.159
they were going to release a memo
essentially asking everybody to take more of a

589
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:05.400
positive look into the manner. I
think that this note is actually really even

590
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:10.000
more important than that too. I
think this answers the question why Tom DeLong.

591
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:13.519
Everybody asks why Tom DeLong? Why
are they going to work with Tom

592
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:19.519
Belong. STEM is a big deal
across the board, this whole Science,

593
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:25.440
Technology, Engineering and Math initiative and
to get kids interested in science. Scientists.

594
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:30.679
I know from interviewing scientists and going
to some of these events for the

595
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:37.280
press with science, they're very concerned
that science is not being taken seriously these

596
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:40.039
days. Maybe one of the main
concerns is climate change. When you have

597
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:45.920
the vast majority ninety nine percent of
the scientists saying climate change is an issue

598
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:51.079
human kind has had a problem creating
all of this, and then when you

599
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:59.119
have the politicians and others doubting that
information, it's a huge red flag.

600
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:02.039
It's a very big deal for scientists
right now because they're thinking, Wow,

601
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:07.440
the public can be turned against us
or to think that our information is not

602
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:13.400
legit, which is scary because of
course they are very careful at being rigorous

603
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:19.039
and being unbiased in a present presentation
of information, and that is very important.

604
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.599
Despite what you may think, this
is something that's very important in the

605
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.280
scientific community. So there's lots of
thought, how do we get kids into

606
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:29.840
science. How do we make sure
you know science is something that people see

607
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:34.599
is important and that people get to
involve themselves. You get into science if

608
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:38.199
you doubt our findings and in a
scientific manner, doe to research write a

609
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:44.559
paper show us wrong. And that
so STEM is like a really big deal.

610
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:47.599
If any of you who work in
a science company probably know this because

611
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:52.639
you're hearing about STEM initiatives over and
over again. I really think that it

612
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:58.760
seems as though some of the inside
guys that hey, this is a way

613
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:04.559
Tom's interested in Why don't we use
the whole UFO topic to get people more

614
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:08.800
interested in science. Tom has a
huge audience of kids, younger people.

615
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:13.280
This is the way we get to
the younger people, which we've been trying

616
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.199
to do for so long. To
me, this is what makes the most

617
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.840
sense. This is why they were
talking to Tom. They saw Tom as

618
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:24.679
their entrance, as their hook into
the younger people out there, to get

619
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:30.760
them to pay attention, that's my
guess. But anyway to go further into

620
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:32.159
that, actually, let's take a
break right now. It's about time to

621
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:37.280
take a break. Right after the
break, we'll get more into these wiki

622
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:42.519
leaks and what these wiki leaks said
regarding Tom DeLong when we get back,

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So stay tuned to Open mind UFO
Radio. Welcome back to Open Minds GUFO

624
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:05.719
Radio. I am your host,
Alejandro Rojas. So let's get into the

625
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:09.920
last section of this. We were
talking about Tom DeLong and these wiki leaks

626
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:14.920
that came out that showed he really
was working with the military. I told

627
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:17.960
you just now about the wiki leak
that talked about the STEM initiatives and how

628
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.800
that was an important aspect to all
of this, and that's why I think

629
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.320
that they took Tom so seriously and
why they wanted to work with him how

630
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:31.159
seriously. Well, we found out
in these wiki leaks that not only was

631
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:37.440
Tom DeLong talking with John Podesta,
we also found out, you know,

632
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:44.960
that he was working with another person
named McCasland. This is a general who

633
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:50.719
was in command of the US Air
Force's research laboratories at Wright Patterson Air Force

634
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:55.000
Base. We also found that John
Podessa created a meeting with Tom DeLong.

635
00:52:55.400 --> 00:53:02.480
McCaslin and also a retired major general
Michael Carey. He worked with the US

636
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:08.079
Air Force. He was the special
assistant to the Commander of Air Force Space

637
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:13.760
Command at Peterson Air Force Base Peterson
is in California, or I'm sorry,

638
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.599
Colorado, in Colorado Springs. Actually
it's at the base of Norrad. So

639
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:20.519
nor Rad was that, you know, it's a big mountain that we have

640
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:24.800
a base under it. Also,
there was an executive vice president and general

641
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:30.519
manager of the Advanced Development Programs at
Lockheed Martin. This is skunk Works,

642
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:37.239
So this is a different Skunkworks guy. His name is Robert Weiss, who

643
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.079
also was in this meeting. So
interesting that it's different than Steve Justice.

644
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:44.679
A different person that's with to the
stars. Anyway, we don't know what

645
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:49.239
they talked about in that meeting.
That meeting took place on January twenty fifth,

646
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:54.159
twenty sixteen, but we know the
meeting took place. Also, there

647
00:53:54.280 --> 00:54:00.960
was another email on January twenty fifth
where it appears that Tom Delo emailed John

648
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:06.559
Podesta to say that, Hey,
General McCaslin sounded like he was a skeptic

649
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:08.760
in that meeting, but he's not
a skeptic. He's told me a lot

650
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:14.480
of different stuff and we've worked together
over a period of time. So he

651
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:17.079
just wanted to let John Podesta know
that mccaslyn is not as skeptical as he

652
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:22.679
seemed in whatever meeting that they had. So all of this was going on

653
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:28.199
even before he talked to the Rolling
Stone. So he was absolutely telling the

654
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:32.079
truth when he said he was having
these very high level meetings behind the scenes

655
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:37.639
with high level people in the government. He really was, and for that,

656
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:45.360
to the frustration of many people in
the field. In February of twenty

657
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:51.400
seventeen, we then gave at the
International UFO Congress, which was owned by

658
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:53.840
Open Minds at the time, and
I certainly take credit for having a lot

659
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:58.480
to do with this decision, even
though people got so upset with me,

660
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:02.039
even some of my friends gave give
him the UFO Researcher of the Year Award.

661
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:07.760
Now, he did say he was
working on bigger and better things that

662
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.800
we would find out about soon.
We didn't know what the heck he was

663
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:14.920
talking about, but he said when
he accepted the award, you know,

664
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:17.119
look for bigger and better things that
are coming out. I have a big

665
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:22.559
announcement that's going to be coming out
in the next few months. We gave

666
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.599
him the award, of course,
because he was making all these connections at

667
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:30.079
behind the scenes. He was bringing
the UFO topic and making some major moves

668
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:36.880
with these I mean right Patterson is
where Bluebook was, and he's working with

669
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:40.960
a guy who runs the labs at
right Patterson Air Force Space Command. Enough

670
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:46.280
said Lockey skunk works the area fifty
one people. I mean, for God's

671
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:50.400
sakes, he was getting to the
top of the top. So that's why

672
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:52.880
we gave him the award. And
it turns out we were right to do

673
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:58.840
so, because major stuff ended up
happening. So what happened next? What

674
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.239
happened next, as far as what
we knew, is that we waited and

675
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:05.360
waited and waited, and Tom Blan
kept saying. He was even calling me

676
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.559
at time saying, oh, the
news is going to come out soon.

677
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:09.280
The news is going to come out
soon. We'll go over in just a

678
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:13.599
second why he had to wait so
long, But yeah, we kept waiting

679
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:15.960
for what's this news? Tom,
come on, give us the news.

680
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.559
So everybody's waiting. People kind of
almost gave up. People are telling me,

681
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:24.320
wow, see, you shouldn't have
given him this award. Finally October

682
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:28.519
comes around and Tom calls me and
he's super excited. The news is going

683
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:30.920
to be about to be released.
Here's what it is, and he sent

684
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:34.639
me this video and asked me what
I thought, and it was this video

685
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:39.159
that was revealing to the Stars Academy, the organization that was starting, and

686
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:43.480
I thought it was great. I
was my jaw dropped because I didn't know

687
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.920
these names. These were a whole
different group of credible people that he's working

688
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:52.840
with with to the Stars than his
previous meeting with John Podesta. So this

689
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:58.000
is even more insiders that he's working
with so closely that they're going to join

690
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:01.719
this organization and create this organization to
look for UFOs with him. So it

691
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:07.599
was shocking news. The next day, on the fourth, it was announced

692
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:13.480
Leslie Kane write a well, no, I'm sorry. It was on the

693
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:19.079
tenth that Leslie Kane wrote an article
about to the Stars for the Huffington Post,

694
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:22.000
giving a lot of details, and
then the official press conference to announce

695
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:29.239
to the Stars was October eleven.
So I had Leslie Kane on I think

696
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:34.519
in October soon after the announcement to
talk about her article and the organization,

697
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:37.960
and one of the things that we
were talking about was what's up with this

698
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:45.400
guy named Louel Azondo who's saying he
was an intelligent senior intelligence official and had

699
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:51.719
been working about with a Pentagon on
UFOs since two thousand and eight or something

700
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:55.960
like that. We were like,
WTF. This was extremely shocking to us.

701
00:57:57.320 --> 00:57:59.599
Leslie and I kind of felt like, wow, it seems like are

702
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:01.920
we the only only one who really
care about this? Nobody's really mentioning it.

703
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:06.159
Most people couldn't get over that it
was Tom DeLong and they were upset

704
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:08.960
that, you know, this goofy
Tom DeLong guy their words, not mine,

705
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:13.679
is involved with this stuff, so
we can't take it seriously. Yet

706
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:17.280
there's this guy who said he worked
at the Pentagon working for many years investigating

707
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:23.239
UFOs officially. This is of course
shocking because we haven't heard for decades that

708
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:28.719
the government is taking UFO seriously or
working on it. People like John Greenwald

709
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:31.159
have got FOYA documents, and others, you know, Paul Dean, Keith

710
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:36.119
Basterfield, some of these guys out
there. Oh and let alone the old

711
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:42.840
schoolers like you know, Stan Friedman, Barry Greenwood and some of these other

712
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:46.400
document specialist guys who have gotten these
documents to show that there have been some

713
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:51.360
UFO cases. These guys have taken
seriously, but every time you ask,

714
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:54.239
they send us to the Air Force
UFO fact sheet that says we haven't been

715
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:59.960
interested in UFOs since nineteen sixty nine. And then here we hear, yeah,

716
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.000
yes, you know they have had
this program. You know at this

717
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:07.440
time, of course, it's the
holidays and everything, and everybody's thinking,

718
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:08.800
including me, I'm thinking, how
do I get to this guy? How

719
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:15.199
do I interview this guy? And
during all of this, December sixteenth,

720
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:21.480
twenty seventeen, the Day of Infamy
happened, and Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal

721
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:25.519
and were able to along with another
New York Times writer, and that's Sierrah

722
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:28.559
Bo. I'm so sorry I forgot
her name. I'll bring that up.

723
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:32.639
But they all write this article about
lou Elizondo and a tip, and of

724
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:37.880
course that is what makes huge news
and everything starts happening from that point on.

725
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:43.199
It was Helen Cooper was the other
art person who wrote that article.

726
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:46.400
But again then in January, I
interview Leslie again and I'm like, what

727
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:52.519
how did you do this? And
essentially she took it upon herself. She

728
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:57.320
Ralph Blumenthal is a writer writes for
the New York Times. He's into UFOs

729
00:59:57.320 --> 00:59:59.679
as well, and they were like, you know what, we need to.

730
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.800
I like this, this is a
big, big deal. We need

731
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:08.000
to make this happen. So as
I read in that thing earlier in the

732
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:12.599
show, you know, she and
Ralph went to the New York Times and

733
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:14.880
said, look, this is a
big deal. We need to write an

734
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:17.119
article. They said, sure,
but we're going to have to scrutinize the

735
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:22.719
heck out of it and we're going
to verify every little piece of minute information

736
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:24.599
that you give us. So it
took up a long time to write it,

737
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:29.559
but they got it together. The
story came out in December, and

738
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:35.679
the rest is history, really really
important stuff. So that's how this all

739
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:38.599
came about as far as getting released. But you know, I think what

740
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:43.239
we need to remember here, and
I'm going to reiterate this again, the

741
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:47.840
history is really important. How put
off Eric Davis, Robert Bigelow, Colem

742
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:54.000
Kellahart, George Knapp, these are
all people and John Alexander, these are

743
01:00:54.079 --> 01:01:00.800
all people who were involved with all
of this for decades. Tom DeLong number

744
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:05.400
one on top of that list.
He not involved for decades, but for

745
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:08.760
a period of time. They took
it upon themselves to go discover this information,

746
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:14.320
to work on this information, to
bring credibility to this information and to

747
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:19.679
get this information to the public.
It was years and years and years in

748
01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:24.199
the making. And nowhere in any
of this at least have I seen or

749
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:31.360
been able to discover any hidden hand
that has manipulated this whole process. And

750
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:37.760
I've asked those involved, is there
some sort of you know something at work

751
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:43.159
here, this grand plan of soft
disclosure, slowly telling people about the UFO

752
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:47.280
situation so we can release more.
And at least none of these people have

753
01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:53.320
said that they have any inkling of
anything going on like that, And of

754
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:55.239
course people are going to say,
well, of course that you don't.

755
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:59.920
They're part of the conspiracy. But
these are many different people. These are

756
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:04.360
not necessarily people who are close or
who work together a ton. Some of

757
01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:07.159
these people do work together a lot, but some don't. They're all different

758
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:12.920
people, coming at this independently on
their own. And I think that's really

759
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:16.280
really important to keep in mind,
because again, when you make and I

760
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:22.239
really subscribe to this idea, extraordinary
claims require extraordinary evidence. If you're going

761
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:28.320
to claim that something else is going
on, you need proof. You need

762
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:34.440
to show that somehow, And trust
me, I am looking for any improprietary

763
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:39.400
discrepancy I can see, and I
challenge I think all of you know that

764
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:44.440
in my interviews. I even challenge
Eric Davis on a couple of things last

765
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:49.000
week. I will challenge the people
I interview if I find information that is

766
01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:53.119
questionable so we can get answers.
But I'm going to get into that now.

767
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:57.679
So I'm going to get into a
tap and asapp and how that all

768
01:02:57.719 --> 01:03:00.719
came about and win because there's there
spend a lot of questions around that.

769
01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:04.719
You know, when did this happen? When did that happen? And why

770
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.360
are people saying things differently? And
are there lying? You know, are

771
01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:12.000
people lying? Because I can't understand
how this happened and that happened to what

772
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:16.559
happened. And it's understandable that there
would be questions because it is all very

773
01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:22.960
very confusing. However, again,
at least I haven't found anything to raise

774
01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:28.599
any major red flag. Certainly there
are questions, but anything that indicates any

775
01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:36.559
sort of illegal activity or any sort
of major manipulation. There have been people

776
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:40.519
saying the wrong things, I think
accidentally, but they're related to tiny what

777
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:45.840
I feel are not that big of
a deal. And you know, if

778
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:49.719
you hear something differently let me know, and many of you do, and

779
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:53.440
then we discuss that or I go
seek answers on that information. But let's

780
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:58.119
go over some of that. So
when did asap? What's going on with

781
01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:00.519
all of this? Despite what the
New York Times said and the New York

782
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:03.719
Times, if you review it and
you know the whole story, they were

783
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:11.079
actually very accurate. They just didn't
have the full story. And a lot

784
01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:15.280
more has become public since then.
So let's pick up how the heck did

785
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:20.840
this asap thing all happen? Well, we talked about how George Knapp and

786
01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:26.320
Clem Kellahar in two thousand and five
released that book Hunt for the Skinwalker.

787
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:30.239
It was a big deal. It
did very well. Everybody who read it

788
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:34.360
loves it. I think anybody who's
read it and is into this stuff,

789
01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:39.440
it's one of their top, you
know, books in their collection that they

790
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:43.800
refer to an amazing book. I
think just that, you know, these

791
01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:48.199
scientists go to try to figure out
this phenomena and they're tricked, and they

792
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:53.400
say that they were outsmarted at every
term. John Alexander says, whatever was

793
01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:59.079
happening, there is a pre cognitive
sentient phenomena in other words that it was

794
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:02.440
pre cognitive in that it seemed to
know what they were going to do before

795
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:10.320
they were doing it. It was
cognitive or sentient in that it seemed to

796
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:15.199
have an intelligence behind it. And
so that's why he uses that term,

797
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:18.039
and others are similar. We asked
Eric Davis about that last week and he

798
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:21.199
said, yeah, it did seem
to outsmartest. We couldn't figure out what

799
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:25.800
was going on. So everybody con
kelliher I've asked about this, they all

800
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:30.280
pretty much say the same thing.
I think George Nap when we interviewed him,

801
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:32.559
so Skinwalker was a big deal.
Well, it turns out a guy

802
01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:36.599
at the DIA heard about Skinwalker,
and even the New York Times mentioned this,

803
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:41.360
and that the DIA guy said,
Hey, can I go meet you

804
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:45.639
at the Skinwalker Ranch. Now,
the New York Times just referred to it

805
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:49.519
as kind of a living laboratory for
Bigelow and his research into the paranormal.

806
01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:57.440
They didn't get into the more detail
like we have. And actually that played

807
01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:00.440
a bigger role than the New York
Times. Apparently he even knew And I'll

808
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:05.960
get into that as well, because
when this DIA guy, and this wasn't

809
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:12.360
in the Times went to Skinwalker Ranch. There hadn't been paranormal activity in the

810
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:16.960
ranch for a long period of time, but immediately in two thousand and seven,

811
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:23.559
when this da guy visited the ranch, he had a paranormal experience that

812
01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:28.840
was supposedly a really big deal.
It was very personal to him. He

813
01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:31.280
felt that, you know, I
guess that, and this is according to

814
01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:34.760
George Napp in the interview, that
somehow this phenomenon knew him. It was

815
01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:40.679
very like personal, personal experience.
So it had a really big impact on

816
01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:45.199
him. Although the d what the
New York Times says is after the DIA

817
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:53.239
met with Bigelow, that's when they
approached Harry Reid to create this program to

818
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:59.320
investigate UFOs. But actually, and
we learned this from George Napp and others,

819
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:03.039
but George Naple our main source for
this on our show, that George

820
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:09.039
Napp, and I've actually gotten this
from Loue Alizondo as well, that this

821
01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:14.840
DIA guy wanted to create a program
to investigate Skinwalker Ranch and all the paranormal

822
01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:19.239
stuff that was going on there,
including UFOs. Harry Reid said, great

823
01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:28.159
idea. He goes to Republicans Ted
Stevens and Democrat Daniel Innue from Hawaii.

824
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:31.320
Ted Stevens is from Alaska. They
got together and said, yes, let's

825
01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:34.599
do this. They were able to
get the funding and in two thousand and

826
01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:42.559
seven the program began. Now here's
where there is a bit of discrepancy.

827
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:47.239
People have said, well not people
have said, We've learned through George Knapp

828
01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:51.559
that the program that began in two
thousand and seven was called ASAP, the

829
01:07:51.639 --> 01:08:00.639
Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program,
and that program was to research which all

830
01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:06.079
of paranormal phenomena at Skinwalker Ranch,
not just UFOs. So the question arises,

831
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:10.400
why didn't the New York Times tell
us about os APP. They only

832
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:15.119
talked about a TIP and UFO investigation. Well, here's the answer to that

833
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:21.039
question. Despite all the speculation and
conspiracy theories out there, here's the answer

834
01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:25.359
I got from going to the source. And like I said, this is

835
01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:31.000
one of those frustrating situations where nobody
asked Leslie this except for me. Leslie

836
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:36.199
essentially told me, in fact,
let me get her direct quote for you,

837
01:08:36.279 --> 01:08:41.880
so I could say this, you
know, directly from her. Here

838
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:45.520
is her quote. At the time, our focus was a TIP. This

839
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:49.199
was the name of the documents that
we had, and this is what louel

840
01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:56.319
Izuondo had talked to us about in
interviews with him, as did others associated

841
01:08:56.520 --> 01:09:01.079
in the program. So she's saying
that we didn't know about a tip.

842
01:09:01.159 --> 01:09:05.119
Essentially, they told us that or
AHSAPP. They told us the program was

843
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:10.560
a tip and it was about UFOs, and so that's what we wrote about.

844
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:15.800
So the question then is why didn't
anybody tell him about ASAP? So

845
01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:20.439
I went to Lou Elizondo and I
asked him about some of the details.

846
01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:25.479
So what's going on here? Why
didn't did the New York Times know about

847
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:30.640
ASAPP? What he told me is
essentially and I wrote this in a story

848
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:34.159
called from Asap to a Tip.
But he said and I got to say

849
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:39.800
in my article ASAP to a Tip, which clarifies all of this. I

850
01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:43.439
double checked with Lou that it was
one hundred percent accurate everything that I put

851
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:46.000
there. But essentially, he said, well, New York Times didn't ask

852
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:50.439
me about ASAP. They asked me
about a tip. I was involved with

853
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:55.640
the A tip side of things and
the UFO side of things, so they

854
01:09:55.680 --> 01:10:00.079
didn't ask about ASAP. I didn't
feel it was my place to say anything

855
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:02.880
about ASAP because I didn't run that
program, so I didn't tell him anything

856
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:06.640
about ASAP. So it's that simple. That's why the New York Times wrote

857
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:11.399
about a tip. So then the
question is, well, what's the difference

858
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:17.640
between ASAP and a TIP? And
here's what is important to understand. ASAP

859
01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:24.600
was a paranormal project. It is
about all the paranormal A TIP was about

860
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:30.039
UFOs, And that's the simple way
to put it. ASAP and a TIP,

861
01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:34.119
there's ASAP was a paranormal a TIP
was UFOs. Some people ask,

862
01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:38.479
well, why has Eric Davis like
in our last week when I asked him

863
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:40.720
about a tip and he said,
I don't even know where they came with

864
01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:45.239
and Harry Reid pulled that out straight
out of nowhere. Others have made some

865
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:48.680
comments I think put off even where
they weren't sure about how this had all

866
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:53.880
happened. That's because there was a
lot going on behind the scenes that people

867
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:59.760
weren't aware of that only had the
administrators of the program like lu Elizondo and

868
01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:03.239
his superior or Harry Reid, were
aware of. So not everybody knew.

869
01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:10.680
So how put up an Eric Davis? They were contracted by ASAP ASAPP when

870
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:15.640
it was created, they you know, had a list of reports that they

871
01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:20.239
wanted and they contracted out to get
these reports. So all that you know,

872
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:25.439
Davis and put Off, for example, who were the scientists creating these

873
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:29.600
papers or working on organizing all that
they knew? They were contracted by ASAPP

874
01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:32.960
to do this, and that's what
they were doing. You know, some

875
01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:36.479
of the information that we found out, and you know, bringing big Low

876
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:44.680
involved and why he's involved, is
that Bigelow was contracted by ASAPP to do

877
01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:48.680
some of the information to some of
the footwork or most of the footwork.

878
01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:53.680
You know, this number of two
twenty two million dollars has been batted around.

879
01:11:53.960 --> 01:12:00.399
That's essentially the budget that ASAPP had
that went to Bigelow UH to do

880
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:04.319
this work, to hire people like
Putoff and Davis to do all of this,

881
01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:11.479
and in fact, to do this
work, Bigelow created a whole program,

882
01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:15.279
a new department to his Big Low
Aerospace called BASS. BASS stands for

883
01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:20.680
Big Low Aerospace Advanced Space Studies.
And there have been some questions about that.

884
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:26.199
Bigelo said, in order to work
with ASAP, I created this product,

885
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:31.640
this group called BASS Big Low Aerospace
Advanced System studies. But some people

886
01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:35.600
have said, well ASAP started in
two thousand and seven, but BASS didn't

887
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:43.880
start to and you know, well
Bass, they didn't begin or until two

888
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:47.479
thousand and eight, So how could
that have happened? What was that discrepancy

889
01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:53.239
of a year? Well, you
know, just the program has to start

890
01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:57.560
before they hire a contractor. Because
the program has to start, you need

891
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:00.319
to hire staff. You need this
staff to figure out what they need as

892
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:04.119
far as contract work, and they
have to create the contract and all this

893
01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:08.800
work has to be done so then
they can go out and solicit a contract

894
01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:12.279
for a program that's existing. That's
what was going on in two thousand and

895
01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:16.000
seven. That's why BASS didn't really
start and get contracted until two thousand and

896
01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:21.199
eight, for any of people that
are curious about that piece. But so

897
01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:26.119
anyways, the ASAPTA a tip,
Why did that happen? Well, early

898
01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:30.319
on, as soon as they began, essentially they were getting it was this

899
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:35.399
same religious cabal. It was the
same people inside the government that had taken

900
01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:42.119
down the remote viewing that help would
I've had experience with. They also felt

901
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:45.279
that this paranormal stuff that was going
on on Skinwalker, which is scary and

902
01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:49.880
weird had to have been demonic,
and they were serious that they did not

903
01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:55.920
want the government getting involved with this
demonic stuff. How do we know this?

904
01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:58.800
We know this from George Knapp.
He told us this when we did

905
01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:04.039
his interview. So Luis Alazanda wrote
a Medium article where he also talked about

906
01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:09.680
this. He said, you know, these religious people, some of them

907
01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:13.640
are my friends. I think they're
good people. They're they're doing what they

908
01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:17.239
think is best. I just completely
disagree that we should put our heads in

909
01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:23.479
the sand and ignore important data because
we believe it's demonic. I mean that

910
01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:28.239
for him makes it seem like we
should even more so want to be interested

911
01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:31.560
in researching it so we understand any
potential threats. But these guys didn't want

912
01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:35.600
anything to do with it. So
the writing was on the wall that ASAP

913
01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:39.640
was not palatable. In fact,
that's the word that lou used. It

914
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:45.720
wasn't palable, palatable to the DEA
or inside of the DoD and so it

915
01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:48.880
was going to go away. So
what they did was they created this sub

916
01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:55.079
program inside of ASAP called a TIP, and a TIP was just going to

917
01:14:55.119 --> 01:15:00.520
be about UFOs and military UFO cases
and that's it. And the The idea

918
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:04.279
was that maybe if they started this
more credible program that was just about UFOs

919
01:15:04.319 --> 01:15:11.720
and military UFO cases, that that
would get left alone just in case ASAP

920
01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:15.840
was gonna, you know, not
be able to go very much longer because

921
01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:21.000
of these attacks on the nature of
what the work that they were doing.

922
01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:27.359
And sure enough they were right.
It did end. Officially, they moved

923
01:15:27.399 --> 01:15:30.520
from ASAP to a TIP in two
thousand and nine. And this is what

924
01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:35.520
you know Eric Davis is talking about
because in two thousand and nine, Harry

925
01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:41.000
Reid was essentially happy with the work
that they were doing and he wanted to

926
01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:47.319
get them further access to information,
so he applied for an SAP status for

927
01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:54.439
the group. An SAP stands for
Special Access Program, so that way that's

928
01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:59.119
essentially the black budget. This is
essentially so they can start to get information

929
01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:02.359
from other black budget programs and be
able to get more data and work on

930
01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:06.520
with and have access to other secret
programs so they can start to get that

931
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:11.840
data to do their work that sort
of thing. It got denied. But

932
01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:16.920
in that letter which George Knapp and
the Las Vegas now Klas Guys released,

933
01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:23.920
Harry Reid referred to the organization as
a tip. This was the first time,

934
01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:26.800
according to Eric Davis, he had
heard this term ATIP, so he

935
01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:29.319
was confused. He's like, what
I thought we were ASAP? Who's a

936
01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:33.039
tip? You know? That created
some confusion, but they didn't know.

937
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:38.960
This whole battle was going on behind
the scenes and that you know. And

938
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:45.000
actually this whole plan of theirs worked
because at this time then a TIP was

939
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:50.720
able to remain in existence while ASAP
disappeared. So that's the difference. The

940
01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:54.800
big thing to keep in mind.
And I've said this over and over again,

941
01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:58.840
and I think it's just the best
way to categorize it. ASAP was

942
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:04.840
a paranormal. A TIP was a
sub program in ASAP that was all UFOs.

943
01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:14.079
ASAP was scrutinized and essentially taken down
by these religious cabals, these religious

944
01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:18.319
people who didn't want that program existing, and so it went away, but

945
01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:27.560
a TIP remained. Alizondo joined a
TIP when he came into ASAP in two

946
01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:31.079
thousand and eight. It was to
work on the A TIP side of things,

947
01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:36.319
so that's where he was working.
So and then later on when he

948
01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:41.840
took over a TIP, he actually
moved it to where he worked, which

949
01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:45.640
was the office of the Secretary of
Defense. So the program actually moved from

950
01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:50.920
the DIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, over to the OSD, the Office

951
01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:55.560
of the Secretary of Defense. Technically
it's kind of a technical thing, but

952
01:17:55.640 --> 01:18:00.479
that happened in twenty ten when Alizondo
took over the program. So there's a

953
01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:05.720
timeline that's essentially what happened. A
couple other things that happened during this time.

954
01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:10.439
Interesting enough, there was the Mofon
project, so I had mentioned that

955
01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:16.079
with Eric Davis. You know,
Mofon partnered with BASS back in two thousand

956
01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:20.800
and nine. I was actually,
essentially, I was a functional director,

957
01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:24.479
so I was in on board meetings. I was part of Moufon leadership when

958
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:29.079
this all went down. I was
their spokesperson essentially. So in two thousand

959
01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:32.880
and nine, when this partnership happened, what I didn't know at the time

960
01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:39.279
was that, you know, BASS
had this partnership with the DEIA, which

961
01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:42.960
is of course extraordinary, which is
very interesting. So I asked, you

962
01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:45.560
know, Eric Davis, and I've
asked Bass, but they haven't wanted big

963
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:51.199
low Aerospace. But they're they're very
tight lipped. Essentially, my individual connections

964
01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:58.279
say they can't say anything and I've
gone to the press department and they have

965
01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:01.239
not said anything either. They said
they were working on getting me an answer,

966
01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:05.439
but they haven't. So they just
don't want to say that Moufon was

967
01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:10.560
funded under this program. I don't
know why they don't want to say anything,

968
01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:14.279
but they really don't say anything to
anybody about anything. I think they

969
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:17.439
just want to keep at arms lengthd
with all of this. So I haven't

970
01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:21.039
got a confirmation. Eric Davis said, I wasn't working on that problem program,

971
01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:25.399
but that's what I understand, And
it would make sense because if BASS

972
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:30.880
was created for the express purpose of
working with ASAP and a TIP, then

973
01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:34.319
it would make sense that a Moufon
partnership with BASS would be part of all

974
01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:38.960
of that. So not that that
matters really, I think too much,

975
01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:41.880
because it makes sense you're going to
start looking at UFOs, Well, let's

976
01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:45.039
make a partnership with the people that
are gathering the most UFO information and have

977
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:49.119
boots on the ground investigating UFOs,
so it makes sense that they would work

978
01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:55.119
with mouf On. That didn't work
out very well. My personal kind of

979
01:19:55.159 --> 01:20:00.920
take on all of that is that
Mofon is a you know, it's a

980
01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:05.520
hobby kind of thing. It is
a volunteer organization, so MoveOn doesn't have

981
01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:14.039
you know, permanent staff that can
work with Bigelow's permanent staff to you know,

982
01:20:14.199 --> 01:20:17.159
interface in a way that they're used
to working with third parties. It's

983
01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:21.479
a volunteer organization where people are doing
their best when they have time. So

984
01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:29.239
it wasn't really as tight of or
professional as a relationship as either groups kind

985
01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:32.000
of had hoped for. Although I
got to say for myself and I think

986
01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:35.640
the rest of the board and most
of the people involved at Moufon, it

987
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:41.399
was very fruitful and it was very
it was a great relationship, but not

988
01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:46.960
everybody felt that way and things fell
apart. But it was only a pilot

989
01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:50.760
program at first. That was the
last few months, and then it ended

990
01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:55.319
at the end of that pilot program
because it just wasn't going to work,

991
01:20:55.479 --> 01:21:00.399
as you know you can read about. So that's what it happened in there.

992
01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:04.039
But that's the difference. That's why
how ASAP turned into a tip.

993
01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:11.800
But another thing to remember is,
you know, Elisondo was getting cases from

994
01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:15.600
the military, very good cases.
Of course, the Nimas case was one

995
01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:21.399
of those, and that, uh, that was his job. He did

996
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:29.319
not look into UFO history. He
did not look into Roswell or you know,

997
01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:35.359
Bob Lazaar or Dulce or any of
these other stories. Rendelsham let's say

998
01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:41.119
he had not looked into any of
that other stuff before. And the way

999
01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:43.399
he puts it, because that's what
he tells us, is that he didn't

1000
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:48.399
want his mind to be He didn't
want any preconceived notions set in his mind.

1001
01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:54.520
He wanted to look at these military
military cases and judge them on their

1002
01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:57.800
own volition, of their own,
you know, information that came along with

1003
01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:01.359
them. And so that's what he
did, and he found some very credible

1004
01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:08.640
cases. And he found that there
are indeed instances where our military is interacting

1005
01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:14.560
with technology that seems to be beyond
what is humanly possible to make. And

1006
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:19.359
that really and this is somewhere another
area where people have questions that really,

1007
01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:24.920
to him was shocking. He tried
to get that information up the ladder to

1008
01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:28.479
say, look, we're getting into
some really cool stuff here, but nobody

1009
01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:32.720
seemed to want to take it seriously. That frustrated him. Eventually, he

1010
01:22:32.840 --> 01:22:40.319
leaves in early October. When he
leaves, he says, and this is

1011
01:22:40.359 --> 01:22:44.199
from my own interviews with him.
He says that he really was just going

1012
01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:47.399
to go get a job, hopefully
do some work with UFOs because he had

1013
01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:51.239
an interest, But he wasn't expecting
to be, you know, mister UFO

1014
01:22:51.399 --> 01:22:58.359
truther or mister UFO disclosure or anything
like that. But when he left,

1015
01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:01.600
which makes sense because as we've talked
about all these tie ins, people like

1016
01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:06.159
hal put Off, who worked at
with a Tip and Bigelow, you know,

1017
01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:11.279
and is working with To the Stars
people on the inside, you know.

1018
01:23:11.399 --> 01:23:15.119
Somehow one of these people told Tom
DeLong, Hey, this is a

1019
01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:17.600
guy you got to talk to.
Tom DeLong gets a hold of Alexandro and

1020
01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:23.479
says, hey, I'm creating an
organization to research UFOs with some very high

1021
01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:27.640
level individuals, some of them you
worked with before. Would you be interested?

1022
01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:31.439
And Alessando said, heck yeah.
He loves this topic. His whole

1023
01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:35.199
purpose was to share with the public
these amazing occurrences. So he said,

1024
01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:39.880
heck yeah, I want to join
you. He joins to the Stars and

1025
01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:45.560
he's been able to do just what
he wanted to investigate this stuff, share

1026
01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:48.720
information with the public. The information
that has been shared with the public has

1027
01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:56.479
been so impactful to the public,
that they have gotten a lot of attention

1028
01:23:56.720 --> 01:24:01.840
from leadership into all the military branches
and the Congress. We know that the

1029
01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:05.119
to the Stars, some of the
Tow the Stars guys, along with witnesses

1030
01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:10.840
from NIMTS, have been able to
talk to several different committees at Congress,

1031
01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:15.720
several different congress people and also military
leaders, and that they did have a

1032
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:20.960
large influence on the Navy saying Okay, we're going to take this stuff seriously.

1033
01:24:21.359 --> 01:24:26.840
We're going to take reports seriously.
And that's why these guys would know

1034
01:24:27.159 --> 01:24:30.640
because they were there behind the scenes
how this is going to play out in

1035
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:35.840
the future, and they are confident. Lou is confident that information will be

1036
01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:43.840
shared from these the Navy cases with
the public in the future. So there

1037
01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:47.720
we go. I hope this cleared
up a lot for all of you as

1038
01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:53.560
far as how this all worked.
I will have more articles. In fact,

1039
01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:59.279
I've written more articles that haven't been
printed yet that outline different parts of

1040
01:24:59.479 --> 01:25:02.760
all of that I went over,
and I am also putting to this together

1041
01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:10.880
in other formats for you all so
you can have more comprehensive pieces of material

1042
01:25:10.960 --> 01:25:15.760
that you can review to understand how
all of this happened. It's all very,

1043
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:19.359
very complicated, and you know,
a lot of people I feel instead

1044
01:25:19.359 --> 01:25:25.840
of getting into the details and doing
the research, it's easier to make assumptions,

1045
01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:29.880
and it's hard. You've got to
have some discipline to say, hey,

1046
01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:31.880
I can't make assumptions. I need
to go find out what the deal

1047
01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:35.199
is. You know this. I
need to ask lou this. I need

1048
01:25:35.239 --> 01:25:39.520
to ask Leslie this, I need
to ask how put off this or so

1049
01:25:39.640 --> 01:25:45.000
and so that, And all of
these people are accessible, especially the people

1050
01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:48.680
that we need to question the most
I found are some of the most accessible.

1051
01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:56.479
So really, I think that it's
incumbent upon us to do good research

1052
01:25:56.520 --> 01:26:00.479
and reporting to at least get their
input first. Even if we have evidence

1053
01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:05.479
to counter what they're telling us,
or even if other parties say something different,

1054
01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:10.000
then it's upon us to find out
why are they saying something different?

1055
01:26:10.039 --> 01:26:13.279
Why is Eric Davis saying, you
know, he didn't know about a tip?

1056
01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:16.800
And Harry Reid created the term a
tip? Why as he said,

1057
01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:19.039
he said, well, I didn't
know, I didn't know any of that.

1058
01:26:19.079 --> 01:26:23.119
Lou would know better, which is
true, And so Louce told us

1059
01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:28.560
why this has happened. So all
of these questions are discoverable. We've just

1060
01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:31.960
got to ask those questions and you
know, get into the mud, get

1061
01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:35.479
into the details, because the details
are important, and to me, the

1062
01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:42.760
details tell a much more interesting story. They tell a story of this group

1063
01:26:42.840 --> 01:26:50.439
of scientists and intelligence personnel who have
for years been looking into UFO and paranormal

1064
01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:59.359
topics and gaining ground. In many
cases they have been taken very seriously for

1065
01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:04.640
goodness, through remote viewing program.
We had an ESP group for decades that

1066
01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:11.920
our top law enforcement agencies were consulting
in cold cases to be able to solve

1067
01:27:11.960 --> 01:27:16.119
these cases. And many say there's
remote viewing projects that are secret that still

1068
01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:20.880
exist, and we do know there
are third party companies, remote viewing companies

1069
01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:28.399
that are contracted by law enforcement and
others today in today's world. So I

1070
01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:32.000
mind, gosh, how crazy is
that, let alone all the wild stuff

1071
01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:36.319
that happened at Skinwalker Ranch, and
how that is all inspired you know,

1072
01:27:36.399 --> 01:27:43.720
this governess resurgence and government focus on
paranormal especially UFOs, and that we've got

1073
01:27:43.720 --> 01:27:48.359
this billionaire Robert Bigelow who funded a
lot of this and now he's building spacecraft

1074
01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:54.319
with NASA he might be in and
SpaceX and doing all this amazing stuff.

1075
01:27:54.319 --> 01:28:00.159
This story is huge, and it's
terribly interesting and it's really fun to stay

1076
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:03.319
close to. And I don't think
we have to fear being left out of

1077
01:28:03.319 --> 01:28:05.520
the loop. And I think that's
what a lot of it is. People

1078
01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:08.840
are like, well, why can
I be involved with any of this?

1079
01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:11.800
Well, you can. You just
got to be involved. You know,

1080
01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:15.439
these guys are going places, they're
doing stuff, They're going to different events.

1081
01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:16.880
You can be there, you can
meet them, you can talk,

1082
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:20.960
you can be involved. You can
get involved in the different forums that they're

1083
01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:26.319
all talking at or looking at.
You can watch the upcoming history show and

1084
01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:30.920
share that information. Or you know, if you do find some problems,

1085
01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:33.319
if you do find hey, this
looks kind of fishy, let people know

1086
01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:39.640
right about it, cite your sources, and it will be taken seriously.

1087
01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:43.600
Some people have argued that they've pointed
out problems that haven't been taken seriously.

1088
01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:47.119
I totally disagree with that, because
I obviously have taken these things seriously.

1089
01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:53.439
I've gone out to seek the answers
to the questions that they're asking because I

1090
01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:57.239
am taking it seriously. And I
do think that they've had very, very

1091
01:28:57.319 --> 01:29:03.800
valid questions. I just haven't felt
that they indicated any foul play, that

1092
01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:09.479
there could be prosaic answers to those
questions. And you know, being someone

1093
01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:14.439
who writes stories and interviews people on
a regular basis, that's often the case.

1094
01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:20.239
I don't even go into interviews with
preconceived notions practically ever anymore, because

1095
01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:25.039
when I did that, and I
think with most journalists this happens. You

1096
01:29:25.079 --> 01:29:27.640
know, we end up being wrong. You don't know what you don't know.

1097
01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:30.600
If you don't know the inner workings
of an organization, you're not going

1098
01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:34.159
to know why this happened or that
happened until you ask, and then you

1099
01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:39.680
get a better understanding, and then
you know why this or that may have

1100
01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:43.840
happened. And often you know,
it just makes sense. It's people trying

1101
01:29:43.880 --> 01:29:47.680
to do their jobs and coming up
with solutions or way to do things that

1102
01:29:48.119 --> 01:29:54.039
you may not have predicted, so
which makes complete sense. We don't do

1103
01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:59.119
these jobs. That's why I bring
to the table the interviews that I do,

1104
01:29:59.199 --> 01:30:02.760
people like Nick, I hope,
people like John Alexander who have government

1105
01:30:02.960 --> 01:30:10.560
experience working in these fields, Eric
Davis, and then our buddies who are

1106
01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:16.720
looking at all of this, like
Joe Murghia and Mike Demante and Danny Silva

1107
01:30:17.039 --> 01:30:23.319
who have questions and there's gaps in
the information. We're all looking to get

1108
01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:27.520
this information out because then we can
all work together get this information out.

1109
01:30:28.199 --> 01:30:32.159
So I hope you appreciated this show. If this generated more questions for you,

1110
01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:38.279
which I'm sure it did, you
know, send those emails to contact

1111
01:30:38.319 --> 01:30:44.199
at openminds dot tv or any other
You can contact me via my Patreon or

1112
01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:46.960
Facebook or Twitter. A lot of
people are sending me questions. Send those

1113
01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:51.159
my way. Because this interview with
Lou and I is going to happen.

1114
01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:56.279
And even though we're waiting on the
History Channel to kind of give us the

1115
01:30:56.880 --> 01:31:01.279
green light on the interview, as
you can tell from in between, the

1116
01:31:01.319 --> 01:31:08.119
interview happened and now I get a
chance to talk to Lou and I will

1117
01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:13.439
get some answers to questions that arise
in between then. So I'll keep asking

1118
01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:17.520
questions until the interview. But hopefully
the very next show will be the interview.

1119
01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:21.720
But anyway, let me give you
some other news otherwise. The UFO

1120
01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:27.680
Congress is going in full for us. We have lots of speakers being added

1121
01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:31.279
to the list on a regular basis. So go to ufocongress dot com and

1122
01:31:31.399 --> 01:31:35.199
look at the speaker list if you
haven't recently, I mean I think there

1123
01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:39.920
were new speakers added yesterday. As
soon as I'm done talking to you here,

1124
01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:44.039
I'm going to add more information.
So lots of information going up there,

1125
01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:47.119
and the speaker list is getting better
and better, and trust us,

1126
01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:51.560
it will continue to get better and
better. So check that out. Also,

1127
01:31:53.159 --> 01:31:57.319
the save fifty I told you last
week you could say fifty bucks on

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01:31:57.439 --> 01:32:01.079
conference tickets. Well that's over.
I'll tell you little sucret We have a

1129
01:32:01.159 --> 01:32:05.000
save forty coupon so you can still
save forty bucks. If you go and

1130
01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:10.560
you order one of the package ticket
ticket deals, use the code save forty,

1131
01:32:11.279 --> 01:32:15.880
code save forty at checkout, that
is, save all uppercase forty,

1132
01:32:16.119 --> 01:32:19.960
and you'll get forty dollars off your
ticket package. When you go to ufocongress

1133
01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:25.079
dot com and get tickets, you're
gonna want tickets, There's no doubt about

1134
01:32:25.079 --> 01:32:28.079
it. Go look at the list
of people we have up there, great

1135
01:32:28.159 --> 01:32:30.079
list of people, and we're gonna
have more cool people at it, so

1136
01:32:30.159 --> 01:32:33.439
you just you're gonna have to be
there. Martin's gonna be there if you

1137
01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:35.840
were here, he'll tell you next
week, I'll have them tell you.

1138
01:32:38.319 --> 01:32:41.359
So check out UFO Congress dot com. There's also new products. You know,

1139
01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:44.359
a lot of people are scampering for
it and they're always wanting, Hey,

1140
01:32:44.479 --> 01:32:48.199
where can I get that UFO hovering
UFO Bluetooth speaker that I see behind

1141
01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:51.319
you sometimes when you do videos and
stuff, Well, you can't get that

1142
01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:55.119
at the UFO Congress store. There's
only a couple left. We got to

1143
01:32:55.119 --> 01:32:58.399
batch in just a week or so
ago, and like I told you,

1144
01:32:58.439 --> 01:33:02.199
they go fast and they are all
almost gone already. But we still do

1145
01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:05.520
have a few left, so you
could go find those at the UFO Congress

1146
01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:09.359
store. You can also get T
shirts and stuff like that. Lots of

1147
01:33:09.359 --> 01:33:14.199
that coolest kind of stuff there too, So check that out Ufocongress dot com

1148
01:33:14.680 --> 01:33:17.720
and get there as soon as you
can. Otherwise, go to Openminds dot

1149
01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:24.319
tv to find all of the latest
news and latest radio programs. Also,

1150
01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:29.880
if you go to my Patreon or
actually I have a blog Alejandro t Rojas

1151
01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:32.640
dot com. I always keep forgetting
to tell people about my blog Alejandro t

1152
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:39.399
Rojas dot com and that's where I
post all my stories some oftimes it's just

1153
01:33:39.479 --> 01:33:43.680
links to my stories. But everything
I'm doing you'll find at Alejandro t Rojas

1154
01:33:43.800 --> 01:33:46.960
dot com. But you'll notice I'm
posting lots of stories on my Patreon,

1155
01:33:47.359 --> 01:33:56.880
and I am for my subscribers posting
some exclusive stuff there. So at my

1156
01:33:56.960 --> 01:34:02.039
Patreon you can find a lot of
exclusive that you're not going to find anywhere

1157
01:34:02.159 --> 01:34:08.199
else. And in fact, I
am going this weekend to David Marler's wedding

1158
01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:12.079
and some of our UFO buddies will
be there, so I'll get more there.

1159
01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:15.439
The last piece I have was an
interview with David Marler. He wrote

1160
01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:18.800
a book about triangular UFOs, and
he shared with us his favorite triangle UFO

1161
01:34:18.920 --> 01:34:23.479
case and his thoughts on this Navy
project. So he shared a lot of

1162
01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:27.760
great stuff with us. Prior to
that, I had what did I have?

1163
01:34:28.079 --> 01:34:32.560
I had some other pictures and stuff. Oh, with our good buddy

1164
01:34:32.600 --> 01:34:38.920
who's speaking at the conference and is
on ancient Aliens. He's one of the

1165
01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:42.439
main dudes on ancient Aliens, and
he needs a good buddy, good guy,

1166
01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:45.840
David Hatcher Childress. So I posted
a picture that he shared with me

1167
01:34:46.479 --> 01:34:49.359
that you'll be able to see on
there. So I've got more exclusive stuff

1168
01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:53.520
coming up, at least on a
regular basis or a weekly basis. I

1169
01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:57.760
think I'll be sharing different cool stuff
for you guys, and it's for you

1170
01:34:57.960 --> 01:35:01.319
only, behind the scenes kind of
stuff, really cool stuff. And you

1171
01:35:01.359 --> 01:35:08.479
can get that by being a patron
on my Patreon site. And you know

1172
01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:11.399
you can do that for as little
as a buck a month, so and

1173
01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:14.479
that's a huge help for me.
So please do go do that. You'll

1174
01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:19.159
get exclusive content and it'll help me
keep in the UFO business. So for

1175
01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:23.119
those of you who have done that, I want to say thank you,

1176
01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:26.479
and let's read down this list.
So I want to say thank you to

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01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:30.479
Kurt, to Kevin, to Tracy, to William, to Rob to Robert,

1178
01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:33.560
to Carrie, to Don, to
Marcel, to Dave, to Steve,

1179
01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:38.239
to Brian, to John, to
Ray, to Christine, to Brian,

1180
01:35:38.319 --> 01:35:41.039
to Mitch, to Neil, to
Dennis, to Patrick, to Larry,

1181
01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:45.760
to Matt, Mitchell, Abraham,
Alex, Michael, Nike, Nicole

1182
01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:49.680
Duncan, Joe, Micah Darth,
Sewan, Steve, Clinton, Ruben,

1183
01:35:49.880 --> 01:35:55.840
Robert, Christopher, Jeff, Kevin, Craig, Jean, Pierre, Richard,

1184
01:35:56.000 --> 01:36:00.600
and Rory. I want to say
thank you all so much for becoming

1185
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:05.039
patrons, and thank you all for
the great response since I've been requesting for

1186
01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:10.239
people to become patrons too. It's
so much fun to have a community,

1187
01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:14.359
you know, where we can share
and all together have a fascination with this

1188
01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:19.560
topic and share this credible, cool
information. So thank you all so much

1189
01:36:19.640 --> 01:36:25.239
for being part of the community.
Thank you to Martin Willis for usually doing

1190
01:36:25.319 --> 01:36:29.840
the news with us. Thank you, of course to Caleb Hanks who does

1191
01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:32.960
the opening end close music. Thank
you to Systematics for the bumper music.

1192
01:36:33.239 --> 01:36:38.600
And especially thank you to all of
you, whether you're a Patron patron,

1193
01:36:38.720 --> 01:36:43.800
Patreon patron or not for listening to
the show. I hope you enjoyed it.

1194
01:36:44.079 --> 01:36:47.439
Join us next week for another exciting
show. I've got tons of interviews

1195
01:36:47.439 --> 01:36:53.000
lined up, let alone the Yelisondo
one really great stuff coming up, so

1196
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