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Welcome to episode twenty two of Get
Out a Live a podcast or Me.

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Your host and resident animal expert Ashley
tells you a new animal attack story every

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other week. Me. Oh my
god, I don't know what happened?

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What was that? Wish I do? I like spit like it was like

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a spit bubble of my throat and
it's like blocked all the sound. That's

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two weeks in a row we've gone
to start this and it's been a disaster.

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That's the two episodes. Multiple times
today we've tried to start the episode.

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It's been disaster. And there your
other host, Nick is going to

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try to not get us canceled.
Very difficult for me, but I'm gonna

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do my best. Yeah. Speaking
of so, we have a new Expert

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Survivalist patron to announce. So for
those of you who don't know, we

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slash get at a Live Podcast or
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you can join and get different benefits. So Expert Survivalist is our highest tier

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and one of the benefits is that
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at the beginning of an episode after
you join. So, Nick, would

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you like music? No, no, this this person is no music.

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They get no music. They still
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this one was born with it.
So our new expert survilis is my sister

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Lindsey. Hey, thanks, goodbye, We're done with this. I'm sorry,

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Nick. I thought he'd be more
enthusiastic about shouting you out, but

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he hasn't been. I think he's
very much I need to be means it's

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my thing. Yeah, well,
thank you Lindsay for putting up with him

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for his whole life, and thanks
for joining us on Patreon. Give the

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Nissan nephew much love for me.
Anyways, Nick, what animal are we

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talking about this week? Shacks?
Talking about shacks, shocks. So this

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week we're talking about sharks. We
have an awesome guest on with us,

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Jada Elcock, and I don't think
she even really needs an intro, because

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once you listen, you'll understand why
we spoke to her about sharks, because

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she's the best. Usually, like, I feel like we talked to a

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lot of people who are a bit
older than us. So it's really cool

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talk to someone this time around that
is like our age. And I had

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no idea going into the interview like
who she was, like what she's all

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about. So I went to the
interview, I was like, oh,

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like this is like like we're just
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we're just like having an interview with
like another Ashley pretty much. But the

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shark version, it was really fucking
it was much smarter. Yeah, and

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cooler. I mean that the bars, you know, not the highest.

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Okay, well she like hurtled over
it, she really Yeah, yeah,

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she's great. She also was one
of the few people I've met who is

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able to like match nick energy level. She surpassed it by far, I

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think. So yeah, anyways,
so we're talking about sharks today. We're

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not talking about well, I mean, the story I have for you is

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about a specific species, but we'll
get into statistics after the interview about like

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how many shark attacks occur each year. But because the interview is kind of

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long, because Nick and I get
really excited to talk to people who like

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talking about their species that they study, let's just get right into the attack

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story. How does that sounds all
right? We're going to August nineteenth,

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two thousand and three, And that
morning started like every other, Deborah Blanche

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Fronzman donned a wetsuit and fins and
began her swim in the ocean. Early

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morning was her favorite time to swim, and she swam far from shore every

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single morning at a villa, a
villa I don't know, beach resort community

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in California. And she was a
sociology professor at Alan Hancock College. Just

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for some background, this morning,
her partner Tessa was watching her from the

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beach with their two dogs. Did
not get any information on the breed of

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the dogs, their names. Well, then what's the point? I know?

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It's so upsetting. And according to
her son Alex, Debora swam three

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to four times a week and she
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But on this day she swam alone. But obviously like there are people

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on the beach, she was just
in the water. On on this morning,

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Deborah was swimming amiss a group of
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I can already see this going very
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fair, we wouldn't be talking about
her if it didn't go badly. Great

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point. You you make a great
point. Yeah. I feel like I

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always try to start these stories and
be like kind of vague, but I'm

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like, everyone knows why we're here. We all know it's about to go

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very poorly for somebody. Yeah.
So, as Deborah was swimming and the

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blink of an eye, all of
the seals disappeared, and according to witnesses,

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a dorsal fin appeared and Deborah was
gone. The shark could hit her

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from below, and the dorsal fin
appearance was as it breached out of the

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cirt, like it as it breached
the surface after Debora had been struck from

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below. Usually at this time in
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however, ma on this day,
Ports in Lewis Harbor District was hosting a

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lifeguard competition at the Avilla Beach Pier, north of where Deborah was swimming.

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No shit, I feel like this
happened in the Hippo episode too. I

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think it was right where like people
like medical people are training nearby. Yeah.

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Yeah, So Tim Borland was the
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group had heard screaming and like calls
for help and calls about a shark attack,

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so they just all started running towards
the direction of the screams, and

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he said he and some lifeguards began
swimming out to Deborah, but they had

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no idea where she was, so
they were swimming with their heads up,

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and they hadn't even seen the attack
it happen, so they weren't super sure

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what they were getting into. But
as they neared Debra's body, they knew

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they too could be in danger because
she was bleeding very heavily and she was

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just floating face down. As Tim
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but he knew that she was unconscious, and he recalls that he didn't

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feel like it was real as it
was happening, which I can imagine you're

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in a lifeguard competition. Someone screams, shark, I'm sure you're like,

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maybe it was like part of the
test. Yeah, that's what I would

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have thought. I feel like,
if you're the first one to get to

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the actual person who's in danger,
you win the lifeguard competition. Like you

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like, no, there's no more
contest, you are the winner. Also,

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like, as you're telling the story, I imagine like a hundred lifeguards

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like jumping off a pier and like, heck, absolutely booking it for this

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woman. It's a really funny image
in my head. But are really sad

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of then? Yeah, I know
it is weird. I wonder how many

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life guards there were, but yeah, I hope, I hope it was

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like a thousand of them, just
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they call fuck up this shark.
I'm sure the shark was like, oh

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God, okay, yeah, what's
happening. Yeah. So either way,

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the lifeguards pulled Debra from the water
and as others on shore called nine one

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one, Debra was loaded into the
back of a pickup truck, where the

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lifeguards attempted CPR and try to stop
the bleeding, but as paramedics arrived,

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they pronounced Debra dead at the scene. Wish I didn't make any jokes,

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just now. You always do,
We always do. This is why I

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always almost got canceled every episode.
We okay, I that's why I stay

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off the internet first of all.
Yeah, that's for everybody. So the

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shark had bit just below her left
hip on her thigh and cut her femoral

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artery. Yeah that's a that's a
big one. Yep. So the paramedics.

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The paramedics were like, even if, like if she had been bit

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anywhere else, she might have lost
her leg but survived, but since her

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femoral artery was cut, like,
she had a zero percent chance of surviving

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that. Yeah, I mean you
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water. It takes so much time, and you have to do that thing

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turniquated, like immediately. So because
of this, it was likely that she

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died very quickly, which I guess
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But she also had wounds on her
lower right leg which were not exactly a

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bite. So my first thought when
I heard that was it's possible it was

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just like a wound from the shark's
skin like rubbing up against her. Yeah,

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it's just kind of like from the
attack. This bumps her. Yeah,

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because some people were so the reason
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were like, oh, a bitter
toys, so he was trying to eat

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her. But for me, this
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it really thought because she had flippers
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thought she was a seal. And
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didn't stick around. The shark didn't
holler away it like bitter and then was

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like oh and then left. And
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know, like about the natural time. I want to say, it was

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around like five or six am,
like, so this is like still dusk

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now for August, it's still same
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all the way. Listen, we
all the point. The point was made,

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all right, but like the sun's
not up all the way. It's

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pretty dark out like shark's going to
do what shark's going to do at that

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point. Yeah, And we'll get
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that are more dangerous to swim,
So that was one of them. Deborah

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Fronzman was the tenth person to die
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shark bite, I should say since
the nineteen fifties, and the beach closed

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for a few days but has obviously
since reopened. And at the college where

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she taught sociology, Devor's colleagues and
students made him a small mom with candles,

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flowers, and cards outside of her
office door, and her close friends

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remarked that she died doing what she
loved, which was swimming. That's really

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sad. Yeah, the whole thing
is sad, and I wish I had

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like more to say about it.
It's just it seems like it was an

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accident on obviously, like on the
shark's part, because she wasn't consumed or

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anything. Was there any kind of
like shark culling in the local area to

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try and catch which one actually did
these hack or did they do? No?

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just like the beach was closed and
for a while people were told like,

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hey, only swim and there's a
lifeguard, be super cautious, maybe don't

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go in the water. But from
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beach reopened, it was kind of
just like back to normal. Well yeah,

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I mean, what we're you supposed
to do? It's the ocean,

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Like, yeah, there's always sharks
there. Like people might not understand this,

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but there's always sharks like almost everywhere
on the planet. Like they're there

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because they don't have another place to
go, So yeah, send them a

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the Kansas. I think, Okay, I think it was a good reminder,

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if anything, to be super like, if you see seals, maybe

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don't swim back call. Yeah.
Also, I was interested. I couldn't

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find any information like how close she
was, but all stories said she was

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swimming among the seals, which is
illegal because of the Marine protection the Marine

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Mammal Protection Act, you cannot get
close to marine mammals by any means.

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Okay, yeah, but I mean
the seals are swimming a whole lot faster

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than she is, as long as
she's like staying with them. Like,

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I'm sure they came up to her
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area they were going to, this
kind of met by chape. Yeah,

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that's yeah, that's a good point. That's probably more right. I'm sure

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she was very smart and lost.
I don't think she was doing the fucking

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David Hasselhoff in the SpongeBob movie and
like motor boating across the water to go

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get them. What do you know? Have you not seen the SpongeBob movie?

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Are you talking about the part where
David Hasselhoff like carries them on his

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back. Yeah, he's not going
towards seals, no, but he's like

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motor boating, like he's going fast, you know. Wow. Yeah,

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Okay, So that's a great reference
that many people will get. Many people

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will not, but I get it. I just don't know if it was

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worth it. The Internet will tell
us. Okay, Well, what a

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great segue into our interview with Jada. Hello, my name is Jada Elcock.

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I am a PhD student in the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology Woodshole Oceanographic Institution

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Joint Program. That's a mouthful,
so everyone just calls it the MIT who

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EJP. So yeah, and I
study sharks, movement, ecology, habitat

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use. I'm interested in like like
you know, when you see a stranger

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on the street and you're just like, I wonder what they do for a

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living. Do they need to go
to the grocery store today? I wonder

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if they have kids they got to
pick them up from school? Just like

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how do you exist in your day
to day? I ask the same questions

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about sharks, but obviously frame them
a little differently because they have different problems

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than we do. So stuff like
that of like, how do you deal

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with migration that's a big thing that
you do, Why, how and why?

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What are you following? What is
how does it benefit you? How

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does it? What does it do
to your body? How are you interacting

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with your immediate environment? Right now
in this exact plane, Like, what's

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it like when you dive deep and
then when you come back up? Like

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that kind of stuff? Just do
you? What do you do? How

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do you exist in the world?
So, yeah, that's me and I

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love that you can ask those questions
of animals and it's not creepy. But

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if you were to follow a person
all day and be like, why do

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you go to the grocery store?
What are you following? It'd be a

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lot. You put a tracker on
a human being, You're like, that's

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just stalking, So like, maybe
don't do that. Definitely tell us more

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about Minorities and shark science too.
Yes, Minorities and Shark Sciences aka MISS

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is a nonprofit that me and three
other black women in shark science co founded

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in June of twenty twenty. Oh
my gosh, it's been like a year

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and a half getting up to two
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Ammani Weber Schultz and Carla Jackson.
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shark related like educational content that anybody
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networking and like professional development kind of
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in twenty two. So if you're
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been a busy year or two.
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that on top of your normal research
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on top of my own personal science
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going on. Yeah, because Okay, so Nick, you don't know because

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you don't have Jada makes incredible videos
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to send you some now. But
yeah, so if you want to talk

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about your Twitter videos too, because
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think it's been I think it's been
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yep. And I just started making
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good to begin with. They were
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a certain species or a certain animal
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I can on TikTok, and I
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actually, this is super exciting,
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this, but I haven't like told
TikTok yet. Hank and John Green have

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decided to sponsor me for the year
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money to continue making educational content.
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So I don't if they listen to
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thank you so much. I appreciate
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my god, that's so cool,
fucking sick. I'm so excited. I'm

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gonna buy like free diving gear that's
gonna like be able to help me with

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my research and stuff. So like
free diving fins are expensive, like they're

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really good. Ones are like one
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I'm gonna buy some free dive fins. I'm gonna buy a wet suit.

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I'm gonna get a weight belt,
I'm gonna get all kinds of stuff

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that I know is gonna help me
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ocean activities. Oh my god,
that is so cool. That's so awesome

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and so well deserved. Nick,
you really have to see them. I'll

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have to, honestly, so you're
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down is the ocean with the sharks
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I have. So last year I
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Canyons Marine National Monument. Everyone just
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depending on where you are in the
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in the summertime they've got all kinds
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like manta rays and devil rays.
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and whale sharks as well. And
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tag on a whale shark. But
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on like a hook and line and
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and release them, so you have
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my first shark was probably like this
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wow. The problem was though,
like my fins that I have, I

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got from, to be honest,
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and they're too small, so they
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difficult to do what I needed to
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now get new free diving fins that
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you even get into this? Like
how did you even get the chance to

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tag sharks? Like how did you
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a really good question, because I
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I lived. I lived in Illinois
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to research sharks. When I was
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sharks, as I feel like a
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fascinated with the ocean still, but
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like documentaries like Animal Planet, NAT
Geo and stuff like that, that like,

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they're actually very misunderstood. They're not
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animals that live in the ocean that
just happened to have big shark, big

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sharp teeth, and they just exist
and they're really cool. And so I

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figured, since a lot of them
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villains, I figured maybe if there
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of needed some extra help, maybe
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decided I'm doing shark science. And
people were like, that's competitive. You

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should have a plan B, and
I was like nah, And so I

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just simply didn't have a plan B. And I am lucky enough to have

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made all the connections I've made to
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you. So you also just mentioned
the bad rep that they get. So

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why do you think that is such
bad pr Why do you think people have

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become so afraid of them over time? Well, I don't think jaws helped

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obviously. And then you have the
meg it's a fun monster movie. But

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good god, I got the most
ridiculous questions after that. No, the

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meg is not alive. Yes,
oh my god, I'm gonna lose it

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now. Everyone asks me if I've
ever seen Sharknado, and I have not,

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and I will. I refuse to
watch it. I'll never see I've

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never seen it. I couldn't even
tell you something about it. Are you

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so stupid? I assume the movies
in the name, so I don't really

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need to see it. Yeah,
that's it's sharks in a tornado. I

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really don't like I've seen pictures.
I don't think I need to see it

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in three D. I don't know. But I feel like they get such

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this bad reputation because they just happen
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and we kind of see them as
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know, every once in a while, like someone does get like have negative

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encounter with a shark, and sometimes
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that's really unfortunate. But it's not
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that's kind of the way that we
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view them in general. With especially
like after Jaws and everything, they're like,

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oh, this shark is chasing us, And if you've seen the Shallows,

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it's like, this shark is just
circling this tiny island and waiting for

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the tide to rise. So this
girl ends up in the water, and

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I'm like, this isn't realistic.
This shark doesn't It's not gonna be like

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I'm gonna wait for you. It's
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I give up. I'm gonna go
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I think it's really frustrating. And

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shark encounters rather than telling you all
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the oceans and why they are so
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of the reasons why I think science
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not communicating accurate science, then we're
not really seeing the full picture and we're

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only seeing the negative sides of things
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kind of coming off of that,
how do you feel about Shark Week on

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Discovery? I think that's like good
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think that kind of hampers said,
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and attacking, you know, these
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can say how people make it scared
by watching that. Yeah, I think

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that Shark Week was one of the
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I don't think that it's as educational
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being honest, I want it to
be the thing that like sparks people's interest

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in sharks and is like, actually, these things are really cool. And

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they do have some shows about like
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of sharks, but sometimes it seems
like some of the underlying themes are still

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like oh, scary Jaws music,
and I'm like, but this, I

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mean, I get that it's for
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but it shouldn't be about sensationalism.
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you why sharks matter and why we
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don't know, I think that it
gets frustrating and I want Shark Week to

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be what it used to be.
And I think that there are still some

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shows that I hang on to and
I'm like, I like this one.

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It's teaching me about deep sea sharks
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thing. I feel like half of
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same ten sharks over and over again. Yeah, it's great whites and maybe

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Megledon if they can find a shark
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can find a Meglaedon. Though,
even if they can't find a Magladon,

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they're gonna bring it up. Yep. But like, what about the swell

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shark. It's biofluorescent. We can't
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each other glow. That's super cool. Right, I already didn't know that,

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right, What about the bonnetead shark? Does Shark Week tell you that

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it's the only omnivorous shark species in
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No, that's so cool. I
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exactly. This is my point,
Like, I don't know, I feel

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like you're just you're missing the cool
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should. Oh what a wabbagong like? A like a wabbagong shark. So

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basically they look like coral and they're
they're very well camouflaged. They have these

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little like tassly things on their face
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that doesn't have to keep moving in

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order to breathe, so they'll just
sit there and wait and then a fish

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will come by. It's called bugle
pumping basically where they pull water into their

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mouth and that's how they can breathe
while they're sitting there. But they open

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their mouths so fast it creates like
a vacuum and pulls the water and the

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fish in and that's how they hunt. And I'm like, why are we

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not talking about this more often?
They're so cool. They're also so cute.

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I love them pictures. Yeah,
I will. This is exactly why

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I wanted you to come on,
because I was like, of all the

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people I've seen talk about science,
like, obviously people get excited about their

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species, but no one has gotten
as excited about anything as I've seen you

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get excited, especially about sharks.
And I was like, I know this

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is gonna be a big one that
people are afraid of. My mom personally

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will not go in the ocean because
of sharks. So I was like,

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cool they are, and hopefully someone
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of them. Hopefully they're so cool. I mean, there's over five hundred

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species of sharks, so I feel
like there's there's one for everybody at least,

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like you know, you can pick
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you should introduce your mom to,
Like the pajama cat shark. They are

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these the stripey guys, and they're
so cute and they just like sit in

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like little cuddle puddles and just rest
all day. They're so lazy. They're

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cats. They're cat sharks. Oh
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Right, you should show your mom
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out of those. They're very cute. I will absolutely do that. Wow,

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Holy crap. And I mean you
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I was thinking was kind of the
case where it seems like everything you hear

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about sharks is just about people being
attacked. So do you think the number

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of shark attacks have increased as more
people recreate in the ocean, or do

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you think it's the same amount of
attacks but people just report them all the

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time whenever they happen. I think
that that's really hard to say, because

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maybe in some areas it's increasing,
maybe in some areas it's decreasing. But

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the biggest thing is that now we
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when an attack does happen, it's
broadcast worldwide instantly, like it's it happens

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so fast. But then every single
news source picks up the same story as

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well. So it seems like you're
seeing so many stories about it, but

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there's really not. Again, there's
just not that many shark attacks every year.

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I think they kill on average like
five ish people, five or six

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people every year, and we're killing
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That's a pretty conservative estimate. So
I mean, it's unfortunate when it does

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happen, and of course, like
that's devastating and we don't like to see

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that happen, but we're going into
their territory. I mean, I think

406
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,799
it's pretty unfair to be like shark
infested WATERSM like, that's where they live.

407
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,839
I don't really know where you want
them. What do you want them

408
00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:00,359
to go on land where also were
supposed to go. I don't know what

409
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:07,319
you're expecting, right, And I've
also seen like articles about Cape Cod and

410
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,279
they're like, ah, more sharks
on Cape Cod fear everywhere, And I'm

411
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:15,200
like, that's because we hunted seals
a lot and there weren't enough prey items,

412
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,640
so the sharks left, and now
we've recovered the seal populations, so

413
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,440
guess what the predators are going to
come back. That's just kind of the

414
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,480
food chain. That's the way things
go. So honestly, it's a really

415
00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:26,759
good sign. This is what I'm
talking about, how sharks can tell you

416
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,880
how healthy the ocean is. They
can tell you about an ecosystem because they're

417
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,079
these top predators on the cape,
right and they're hunting these seals. And

418
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,920
if the seals all disappear and the
sharks disappear, You're like, Okay,

419
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,279
well there's a problem here. Now
that all the sharks are coming back,

420
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:42,960
You're like, this is a really
good sign, Like the seals are healing,

421
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,799
this environment is going back to I
guess sort of what it was before

422
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:52,839
we started to like hunt everything to
extinction and whatnot. But it's it's frustrating

423
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,720
to see so many negative articles about
sharks when the headlines could be so different.

424
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,759
They could be like, we should
be excited the seals are back,

425
00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:03,160
and so are the sharks. This
ecosystem is becoming healthy again, rather than

426
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,240
ah, the sharks are back.
Everyone panic, you know what I mean?

427
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,519
Yeah? Absolutely, yeah. So
when those bad encounters do happen,

428
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,160
what sharks do you find are usually
the main culprit? Like we all know,

429
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,000
great whites are the one that you
know, everyone thinks about. But

430
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:21,759
are they really the ones that are
causing most of the incidents or is it

431
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:23,920
like smaller ones kind of like taking
bites out people's feet. I want to

432
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:32,279
say that white sharks are responsible for
the most fatalities. That may have changed

433
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:36,319
in recent years, and not one
hundred percent sure, but the fatal encounters

434
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,519
you see are probably most likely going
to be white sharks. Oceanic white tips,

435
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,799
bull sharks, and tiger sharks are
going to be up there in like

436
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,640
the top couple. And you do
see, you know, examples of smaller

437
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,319
sharks maybe like I don't know Silky's
or even nurse sharks. Like people think

438
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,519
that nurse sharks are super chill,
and so they'll like pick them up and

439
00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,799
try and play with them, and
I'm like, that's still completely wild animal.

440
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,880
I'm like, your cat's gonna scratch
you. You think a wild shark

441
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,200
that doesn't understand what's happening is going
to react well to you picking it up.

442
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:12,680
No, So, like there's definitely
examples of more minor negative encounters from

443
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,759
smaller sharks, but I think the
more the more fatal ones are going to

444
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,880
be those bigger ones just because they're
they're bigger, and you know, some

445
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,319
of their hunting styles, like they're
great white. They attack seals from below

446
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,480
because that's just you know, with
they're countershading on top. They're dark,

447
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,160
so if you're looking at it from
below or from above, it kind of

448
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,920
blends in with the darker ocean floor. And they're white on the bottom because

449
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,200
if you're looking at them from below, it kind of blends in with the

450
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:38,440
light of you know, the sun
coming in. So they attack seals from

451
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,240
below because that's just kind of what
they've evolved to do. That's like their

452
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:48,000
best method of hunting. So if
a white shark we're to see a surfer

453
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:52,039
like how they do sometimes and think
that you're a seal or a sea lion

454
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,440
or a sea turtle or something,
they're going to use their typical method of

455
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,920
hunting. And that's just not good
for people because we're small and squishy and

456
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,440
they are large and in charge and
have big teeth. So again, it's

457
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,160
not necessarily that they're trying to harm
us. They if they knew what we

458
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:14,559
were, chances are there wouldn't there
wouldn't be anything like you know, Usually

459
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,680
it's an investigatory bite. It's like
a dog like they come up or a

460
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:21,279
baby they come up and they're like, oh, I don't have hands,

461
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,160
what do I do? I'm just
gonna bite it. Yep. The problem

462
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:29,960
is again they just have really big
sharp teeth, so mistaken identity, investigatory

463
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,279
bites or even just bumps with their
nose, that kind of thing that's just

464
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:36,759
gonna help them figure out what you
are. And sometimes it does end in

465
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,519
tragedy unfortunately for people, but it's
not a malicious act on their part.

466
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:44,200
It's literally just them trying to figure
out what's going on in the world.

467
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:48,279
I mean, We've talked about a
few species like beaver who have bit one

468
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:51,240
person on the leg and they just
happened to hit an artery and then the

469
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:52,920
person dies. And I wonder,
and how many cases with sharks, it's

470
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,720
like they weren't trying to eat you. They just happen to bite you and

471
00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,799
it's a huge mouth and a lot
of teeth. Then it just happened to

472
00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:03,519
hit somewhere that was fatal, you
know what I mean. Yeah, I

473
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:04,960
think that that happens a lot.
You know, it hits a lot of

474
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,680
people get hit in like the leg, and you're gonna cut your femoral artery

475
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:11,799
and that's a lot of blood coming
out all at the same time, and

476
00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:18,440
that's that's gonna be. You're gonna
need very quick medical attention, and it

477
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,440
is unfortunate. But again, they're
just you know, trying to figure out

478
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,160
what you are, and they're bigger
than you, and they just happen to

479
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,559
hit the wrong part of your body. Again, a lot of people survive

480
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:32,240
shark attacks because they get medical attention
quickly. And usually it's because the shark

481
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:33,680
will bite you and then be like, oh, that's not what I thought

482
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,359
it was and then just disappear.
They're not gonna they're not trying to consume

483
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,559
you. They just don't know what
you are. Do you find that there

484
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,640
are certain places in the world that
attacks happen more often, or like the

485
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,039
higher rate of them. I think
I saw an article that said Florida.

486
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:52,279
I'd have to fact check that,
so disclaimer, I'm not one hundred and

487
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:55,920
ten percent sure, But I also
wouldn't be surprised because there are a lot

488
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:03,359
of different species in Florida and also
Florida. But yeah, I think that

489
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:07,039
that wouldn't surprise me if that's still
an accurate. Thing, is that Florida

490
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,680
is a higher number of negative encounters
just because they have, especially in the

491
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,759
summertime, you have so many people
in the water recreationally, and there's just

492
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,720
a lot of different types of sharks, and a lot of them are coastal

493
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,799
species and they'll come closer to shore, and so that it wouldn't be surprised

494
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,839
me if that were still accurate.
So, if you are recreating somewhere where

495
00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:30,039
there's sharks, how can you do
so safely? And my mom specifically would

496
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:33,160
like to know if there are certain
human behaviors in water that like attract them

497
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,319
like maybe splashing or something like that. Yeah, so splashing is not great

498
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:45,000
because it kind of sends vibrations similar
to that of like a distressed or dying

499
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:49,279
fish, and so they're gonna be
like, ooh, what is that feels

500
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,880
like food? I'll go over there
and check it out. And if you're

501
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:57,079
acting distressed, just don't act like
prey, basically, I think to do

502
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,240
so safely. A lot of sharks
hunt at down and dusk, so I

503
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:06,799
personally don't like to go in the
water when it's dark out. And if

504
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:10,720
you're in very murky water, that's
another place that you know you can find

505
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,640
sharks hunting. Obviously not all the
time, but like especially don and dusk

506
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,240
in murky waters. I'm especially thinking
of bull sharks right now, but a

507
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,839
lot of different sharks do that.
So stay in clearer waters, stay in

508
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:28,599
water probably with like larger groups of
people, and if you do happen to

509
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,279
see a shark, just stay calm, don't thrash around, because again that's

510
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:38,640
kind of you know, acting like
a distressed animal, which might intrigue a

511
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,519
shark. Is that's maybe not the
best move. Stay calm, keep your

512
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,039
eyes on it, and slowly make
your way back to shore. But I

513
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,680
think in any situation, panicking is
not the best way to go. Stay

514
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,279
calm, assess the situation. Usually, I mean, you can kind of

515
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:58,559
tell if a shark is getting irritated
or like what's going on, if they're

516
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,720
super curious or what's happening. Usually
they'll just kind of like be around and

517
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:05,799
be like, oh, what is
that going on over there? And if

518
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:09,480
you keep your eyes on them and
you just kind of calmly and you know,

519
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,359
I am a large, healthy organism, I'm gonna go back this way,

520
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,640
they'll just be like, all right, cool, have a nice day.

521
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,319
I don't know what you are,
but continue on and they probably won't

522
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:22,160
bother you. People say they're kind
of like bees. If you don't bother

523
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,799
them, they're probably not going to
bother you. Every once in a while,

524
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:25,960
you get stung by a rogue bee. That's just like, ah,

525
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,839
I don't like you. But you
know, it doesn't happen that often.

526
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,480
So you know, if you get
stung by a shark, it's not really

527
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:37,559
the same effect. It's not the
same effect, but wildlife is very similar.

528
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,799
Just like, don't bother them and
they'll probably leave you. Not if

529
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:43,839
you listen to the podcast, but
it's kind of what we say in every

530
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:45,920
episode is don't fuck with it and
won't fuck with you. Yeah, usually

531
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,559
good advice, but kind of coming
off of what you're saying about, like,

532
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,160
you know, they're kind of not
sure what's going on. You know,

533
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:54,400
they don't like people. One of
our Patriot members, Jeremy Montoya,

534
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,799
he wants to to story that a
swimmer swam towards an approaching shark and the

535
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:02,519
shark I heard a way because there's
theorized that they're not used to things swimming

536
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:07,359
at them. Do you think this
is true or do you think just a

537
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,519
maniac making up a story. I
haven't heard anything like that before. And

538
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:15,639
also I would assume that some sharks
do indeed have things swimming at them,

539
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:21,679
maybe not necessarily from the front,
but I mean some sharks eat other sharks,

540
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,119
killer whales eat some species of sharks, So it's not that like all

541
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,119
sharks are the apex predator and nothing
will ever come at them ever. And

542
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,599
it also that I'm sure that that
would depend on the species as well,

543
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,719
and how big the shark is.
Is it a juvenile and it's like that's

544
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,320
a large thing. I don't know
what it is flee I don't know,

545
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,880
but I guess it would depend.
But I've never heard of a thing that

546
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,400
Ooh, sharks are afraid of things
that swim at them. I've never heard

547
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,320
anything like that before. I would
assume that that's only true if it were

548
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,760
like a small juvenile shark. That's
like everything is larger than I am.

549
00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:00,239
I'm not big enough to defend myself
yet, that's my theory. Yeah,

550
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,519
that sounds good to me. And
Jeremy also is wondering, which is something

551
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:07,199
that I have heard too, is
it true that punching an attacking shark in

552
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,199
the nose will stop it? And
I've also heard like poking their eyes,

553
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,960
which I just eyes gross me out. But like, if a shark is

554
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,440
biting you, in theory, would
it is there's something about the nose that

555
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:21,519
makes it release. So they do
have an organ called the ampulaved Lorenzini in

556
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:25,079
their nose, and it's basically like
electro reception, So it's a sensitive area.

557
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:28,239
So if you were to punch it
in the nose, it probably would

558
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:34,119
overload some of the senses right and
probably overwhelm it. In my personal opinion,

559
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:38,119
if a part of your body is
in a shark's mouth, maybe don't

560
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:43,880
put another part of the body close
to the shark's mouth. That's maybe not

561
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,320
the best move because on the off
chance that it decides to open its mouth

562
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,360
at that moment, your hand's probably
gonna go right in as well. So

563
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:54,000
I wouldn't do that. Maybe like
a last resort type of thing, the

564
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,079
eyes or the gills is probably a
good move, just because both they're very

565
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,400
sensitive areas. They want to protect
their eyes obviously, so that they can

566
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,679
see and continue to hunt effectively,
even though they have other senses that are

567
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:08,599
helpful with hunting, Like you know, sit is useful for most sharks,

568
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,039
and you know obviously they need their
gills to breathe and they don't want them

569
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:15,000
to be damaged. They want to
protect these important and sensitive parts of their

570
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:20,599
body. So if in theory you
were to have some negative encounter with a

571
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:24,760
shark where your leg ended up in
its mouth or something, I would recommend

572
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,440
not the nose until like last resort
type of thing, and like if you

573
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,559
can reach something else that's sensitive,
I would go for that first, just

574
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:37,719
because you don't want to Basically you're
aiming towards the mouth and I don't think

575
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:44,039
that that's the best idea. Fair
absolutely fair, So I guess he kind

576
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:45,480
of answered it there. But like, if you already are in the middle

577
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:50,400
of a shark encounter, like what
would you suggest to get either safely,

578
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,199
whether it's just surviving or getting out
of you know, the shark's mouth.

579
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:59,480
Yeah, if you aren't all,
if you aren't being bitten, like I

580
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:00,880
said before, just kind of like
keep your eyes on it, like,

581
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,760
don't turn your back to it.
I feel like I'm describing like an encounter

582
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,719
with like a mountain lion or something. Because I'm from Arizona. This is

583
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,760
what people say. They're like,
don't turn your back to it. It'll

584
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,239
pounce on you. But like,
you know, just keep your eyes on

585
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:19,280
it again, safely and quietly,
relaxed, calm swim back to shore.

586
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,800
No like crazy sudden jerky movements.
Just be you know, be in the

587
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,440
water. You are in this habitat. They come across other things swimming all

588
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,800
the time. It's not like they've
never seen something, and then suddenly you're

589
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,199
there and they're like, I have
to investigate every single time, you know,

590
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,280
So just calmly, act like you
belong there, and then swim back

591
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,679
to shore. I'd also recommend be
with other human beings. I don't like

592
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,519
the idea of swimming alone, not
just because of the wildlife. What if

593
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:49,519
I were to like bump my head
and drown, that's really scary. So

594
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:52,840
if you're with other people, obviously, if anything were to happen and you

595
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,199
have this negative encounter with a shark, obviously have them like call an ambulance,

596
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,320
help you, you know, in
any way that they can. I

597
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,079
don't know what's it called a tourniquet. I almost said a tunicate. That's

598
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:07,880
a different that's all. That's wildlife, that's an ocean animal. Not that

599
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:14,400
a tourniquet. You know, it's
a kid for tagging tunas exactly. Yeah,

600
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,000
So you know, if that were
to happen again, very rarely does

601
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:20,800
it ever, But if it were
to happen, you know, like make

602
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,880
a tournique, call an ambulance,
get medical attention, that kind of stuff.

603
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:29,360
But I think that the biggest thing
is to just stay calm, stay

604
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,960
collected, be rational about the situation, and you will likely be fine.

605
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:37,960
Yeah, And I wonder how many
people have the sphere of sharks, because

606
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,800
like, obviously drones are a thing
now, and there's so many drone videos

607
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,159
of sharks swimming near people, and
I feel like people take that. I

608
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:46,559
was like, holy shit, sharks
were so close to me. That's scary.

609
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:50,360
But it's like sharks were so close
to you and chose to go the

610
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,159
other way, which I feel like
is the takeaway that you should be talking

611
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:57,039
from that is that it happens probably
all the time, yes, absolutely before

612
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:00,559
drones, Like we have so few
we like, we don't have many shark

613
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:04,599
attacks, right, but there are
people in the water every single day.

614
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:08,480
Obviously, sharks are in the water
every single day, and people are like,

615
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:13,079
oh, every time a shark sees
a person, this person's gonna die.

616
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:15,239
And I'm like, it just doesn't
make sense to me. I'm like,

617
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,519
there's they we cross paths with them
constantly, I've worked with them.

618
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:22,679
I've been in the water with sharks, and I've never been bitten. The

619
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:28,079
worst I've ever gotten is shark burn
because there it's like a like road rash

620
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:30,840
or like carpet burn because their skin
is so rough. That's like the worst

621
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,320
injury of anyone that I've ever known
that's gotten from a shark, or like

622
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:37,960
they'll tail slappy in the face and
you're like, whoh, I'm dizzy for

623
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,039
a minute. Cool glasses back on. We're good. We encounter them so

624
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:44,320
often, and I've seen some of
these drone videos. Honestly, I think

625
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,400
they're fascinating. I would love to
be that person, like on an inner

626
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,519
tube, just like watching it swim
past, because it's not interested. It's

627
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,880
like I'm going about my day whatever. I've seen one where it's like people

628
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,159
were freaking out because they were like, this hammerhead almost tried to eat this

629
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,039
guy. And I was like,
if you watch the video close enough,

630
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:07,000
there's a fish directly next to him. The shark goes towards the guy.

631
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,199
The fish swims away and it follows
the fish, and I'm like, it

632
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,760
wasn't even after the dude, there
was a there was an actual parae item

633
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,599
in the water. I don't know. I agree. I think that people

634
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:20,480
are getting the wrong message from some
of these drone footages, and I get

635
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:23,960
it, like these are animals that
have resulted in the death of people,

636
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,360
and that's really scary for some people, but they're also just organisms that exist

637
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:31,679
in the ocean. And to be
able to see one that close and have

638
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:37,480
it completely uninterested in you is a
gorgeous experience that I am excited to have

639
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:42,079
again. So especially the hammerhead video. When I saw maybe it was you

640
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,559
that I saw it from, I
was like, imagine having the opportunity to

641
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:49,360
be so close to a giant hammerhead
shark. H liked. So I tagged

642
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,840
one recently you did. It was
like a three meter long great hammerhead and

643
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,000
it was gorgeous. Wow, where
was that, Florida? And when I

644
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,960
was tagging the whale sharks out in
the case, there was well, we

645
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,599
think was a smooth hammerhead. It
might have been a scalloped hammerhead. I'm

646
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:07,800
not sure, but it was.
We were tagging the whale shark and it

647
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,559
was just down below us, like, however many feet wait, this is

648
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,360
our hammerhead signal. I was just
looking up at us, like what's going

649
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,360
on up there? And anytime it
would like if we were to try and

650
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,440
like swim with the whale shark to
follow it a little bit to get the

651
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,719
tag on if we went anywhere near
it, it was like, oh my

652
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,880
god, what are you? It
was just like there's such WIMPs. Honestly,

653
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,199
a lot of sharks are very skittish
and they're like, don't come near

654
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,840
me. I don't want anything to
do with you. So I don't know.

655
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,960
It was a really cool experience.
I was like, there's literally a

656
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,599
hammerhead right there. They're so cool. That's so cool. And this question

657
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:43,079
I didn't know where or how to
fit in. But one of our patrons,

658
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:45,519
Amanda Taylor, was like, does
sharks sleep? Which is valid?

659
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:51,719
I don't know, not in the
way that we do. So some sharks

660
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,440
can rest. There are sharks that
like rest and stop moving, like those

661
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,559
ones that I was talking about that
have that bugle pumping ability where they can

662
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,880
pull water in their mouth and over
their gills to keep breathing. They don't

663
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,800
have to keep swimming in order to
breathe, so like nurse sharks or cat

664
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,960
sharks or something like that, they
can sit on the bottom and just rest

665
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,880
for a while and buckle pump to
breathe and they're totally fine. Again,

666
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,239
not necessarily sleeping the way that we
do, but they can, you know,

667
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,840
rest. And then other sharks they're
called obligate ram ventilators, which means

668
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,320
that they do have to keep moving
and have their mouth open slightly in order

669
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,360
to get water to go over their
gills. Because they don't have that bugle

670
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,960
pumping ability, So that would be
like a bull shark or a white shark,

671
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:35,880
or like most of your bigger oceanic
species. Right. I think that

672
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,800
there are probably papers out there and
like evidence to suggest that they rest,

673
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,360
but obviously not in the same way
that these other sharks do, because they

674
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,679
can't just stop moving but like swimming
into a current and just kind of like

675
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:51,280
letting their body rest a little bit
more and not actively trying to like move

676
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,719
their tail as vigorously as they would
if they were swimming against a current or

677
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,400
I guess with a current, because
they'll go against the current so that the

678
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,880
currents like going straight into their mouth
right and over their gills, so they

679
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,159
can't rest. It's just not quite
the same, gotcha, nick, I

680
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,960
feel like now is a good time
for your evolution question. I read something

681
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:15,039
today that sharks are basically the same
that they were fifty million years ago.

682
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,880
They kind of evolved a fuck ton
of long a time ago. What makes

683
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,000
them such a perfect like design?
Why? How have they not changed in

684
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,239
that long with time? So that's
a really good question. So sharks are

685
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,440
older than trees. Fun fact,
they've been around for about four hundred to

686
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:36,639
four hundred and fifty million years,
and trees have been around for I think

687
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,280
it was like three hundred and eighty
million years. So sharks are older than

688
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,079
trees, and they're much older than
the dinosaurs. This is a shout out

689
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,159
to Dustin Growick. I don't know
if you guys know Dustin, but you

690
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:51,119
know what, sharks are older than
dinosaurs, which means they're better. Come

691
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:53,039
at me, buddy. But also
I feel like I have to say that

692
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:57,159
age doesn't always mean that they're better, because then Dustin's going to come back

693
00:43:57,159 --> 00:43:59,440
and you say that he's better than
me because he's older than me. But

694
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,119
anyway, it's fine. Point is
I'm better than Dustin and sharks are better

695
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:07,639
than dinosaurs. I'm just kidding,
Dustin. I love you. But so,

696
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,840
yeah, they're super old. They've
been around for the longest of times,

697
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:16,360
and they've been relatively unchanged for most
of that time, and I feel

698
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,039
like, in general, we're still
trying to figure out exactly why that is.

699
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,480
So they branched off from bony fish
right, and they they weren't like

700
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:28,880
the first group, and then bone
became a thing. They branched off from

701
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,320
bony fish and said I don't need
your bone anymore and just decided to go

702
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,599
with cartilage. Obviously, it's been
very effective for them. I think part

703
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:40,800
of it is just that they've evolved
into to just be effective in like every

704
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,320
ecosystem in the ocean that you could
possibly think of. You've got deep sea,

705
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,039
you've got tropical, You've got Arctic
sharks, which is wild, like

706
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:52,360
the Greenland shark lives out in the
Arctic. You've got venomous sharks, and

707
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,400
you've got whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, we have to talk about

708
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,559
that. Dogfish and like hound sharks
have like they're typically smaller, but they

709
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:06,480
have like spines on their dorsal fins
and they they're they're venomous. It's not

710
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:09,360
like anything crazy, Like if you
got pricked by one, you'd I'm sure

711
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,679
you'd be fine. I don't think
that it would be any worse than like

712
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,119
us sting ray. I'm not one
hundred percent sure how potent it is,

713
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:22,079
but you'll be fine. I don't
think anyone's died from dog shark venom.

714
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:24,119
I've never heard of that before.
Yeah. Yeah, they've just kind of

715
00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:29,000
like permeated throughout the entire ocean.
And they're like, Okay, that niche

716
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:31,159
is open, that nich is open, that n itch is open. Everyone

717
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,039
just go pick a niche and stay
there. And they were like cool,

718
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:39,239
So they picked an inch and they
stayed there, and here they are millions

719
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,760
of years later. I think there
was a paper that actually came out recently

720
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:49,079
that like a very large chunk of
sharks died off a couple million years ago.

721
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,360
I don't remember how many million,
like fifty million, something like that,

722
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:53,960
and we thought that like, for
the longest time, they were like

723
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:58,280
they've been untouchable, and for the
most part, they have been, but

724
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,920
there was that one event that were
not exact sure what happened, but it

725
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,599
killed off a lot of sharks,
which is surprising. But the fact that

726
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:07,199
they survived it kind of is proving
your point that they're so well adapted to

727
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,360
their environment. I don't know how
they survived whatever event this was, but

728
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:15,280
they're still everywhere, and so I
think that a huge part of it is

729
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:21,079
just because they were able to take
over all these empty niches and that they've

730
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,880
just been very effective, active predators, and good for them. I'm proud

731
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,079
of them them having those specific niches
that they kind of go with with global

732
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:34,119
warming going on, Like, do
you see them starting to like move into

733
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:37,679
different areas and certain sharks are popping
up in areas they didn't see them in

734
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,679
the past. Yeah. Actually a
paper came out recently that tiger sharks are

735
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,320
starting to move further north, probably
because of climate change. And I'm sure

736
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:50,000
we're probably going to see this happening
with a lot of other species, is

737
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:53,559
my prediction. And it might be
because of lack of prey availability so they

738
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:57,639
have to go find somewhere else,
or because the water is getting too warm

739
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:00,519
and as ectotherms, they can't regulate
their own body temperature, so maybe they

740
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:05,239
need to go they can't get that
hot and in other places, you know,

741
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,039
we're seeing extremes, not just everything
getting warmer all the time. So

742
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,840
when it does get colder, maybe
they'll have to go further south. I'm

743
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,800
not sure, but at the moment, yeah, we are seeing evidence that

744
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,639
climate change is affecting that, at
least in tiger sharks at the moment.

745
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:22,239
And that came out I think a
week or two ago, so that was

746
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,639
a very new thing. I recommend
you check it out. It was really

747
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:29,280
cool. But yeah, there is
evidence that we're seeing that happening, which

748
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,280
is for me, it's not scary
because they're coming into contact with people.

749
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,960
For me, it's scary because they're
losing their habitat and they're having to find

750
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:43,119
new habitat or adjust their habitat based
on the terrible things that we're doing to

751
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:45,599
the planet, and that makes me
really sad. So it's more of like

752
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,280
a concern for them rather than a
concern for us. But I guess potentially,

753
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,199
depending on where they end up,
it could be a concern for us

754
00:47:54,239 --> 00:48:00,440
having more negative interactions with them just
because of what areas they're now able to

755
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,760
occupy, which again is our fault. But we don't want anything bad to

756
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,440
come of that for them or us, So I guess we'll see what happens.

757
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:13,320
Are you also worried about ocean acidification
with them or is that like not

758
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,039
going to bother them as much as
maybe some other species like corals and stuff.

759
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:22,360
Ocean acidification is a really big concern
for calcifying organisms like corals and different

760
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:28,360
types of like plankton and stuff.
I think that it definitely could cause issues

761
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:32,880
for other organisms as well. I'm
trying to think of I'm no chemist,

762
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,000
so I'm trying to think of like
the ocean chemistry and how that would mess

763
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,280
with sharks, but like, I'm
sure there's a way, right, and

764
00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:44,599
well maybe even just like their food, like some sharks food is going to

765
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:46,679
be fucked by the ocean asertification,
right, I mean, yeah, I'm

766
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,360
sure that, like you know,
it'll kind of cascade up the food chain

767
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:57,159
and have like if these corals are
getting messed up and you're having like this

768
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,440
coral bleaching because of it, I
mean, that's destroying reefs. And reefs

769
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:06,440
account for I think like twenty five
percent of all like the biodiversity in the

770
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,719
ocean or something like that, some
crazy huge number. And you have you

771
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:15,119
know, reef sharks that depend on
the fish, that depend on smaller fish,

772
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:17,119
that depend on the corals, and
so things are gonna cascade up the

773
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:22,079
food chains and start to really mess
with things. And we are part of

774
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:24,679
that food chain. We are not
like just we like to think we're so

775
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,559
far removed from all of this because
we live in fancy houses and whatnot,

776
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,599
but we are not removed from this. Like especially if you know, like

777
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,920
communities that rely on seafood and the
ocean, that's they're gonna be so heavily

778
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,119
impacted by all of the things that
we're doing. So yeah, sorry,

779
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:45,000
I'm kind of like rambling, getting
a little off topic, but yes,

780
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:49,440
I think that ocean acidification can affect
sharks in certain ways, and probably some

781
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,400
species more than others, just based
on like where they live and things like

782
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,679
that. But yeah, it's quite
unfortunate. Yeah, it all sucks being

783
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:00,840
a wildlife billogist. You're just like, and there's global warming and ocean a

784
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,480
certification and acid rain and yeah,
and then you like turn towards like,

785
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,280
you know what, let me just
like go hang out with my friends.

786
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,320
And you're like, oh wait,
I can't because COVID and everything is on

787
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,199
fire, and I'm like, there's
it seems like there's not much hope in

788
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:21,320
the world, but hey, there's
always hope, and I am an optimist,

789
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:23,800
So I don't know, follow me
on Twitter for optimistic views. I

790
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:30,559
don't know, killing it. There's
hope, but I don't know. My

791
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:34,320
brain is like, I don't know, it's been a long day. My

792
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,840
brain's not functioning, and maybe it's
not as an optimist. It's Monday.

793
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:42,119
Maybe I'm not as optimistic as I
should be, right now just because I've

794
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:45,280
had a long day. But like, I don't know, there's always hope

795
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,039
and we should look on the bright
side because there's always a bright side and

796
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:55,679
hug your family. I don't know. It was so poorly articulated. No,

797
00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:59,920
I don't know what I'm saying for
half the shit I talked about it.

798
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:05,639
Oh God, Okay, so I
guess last one so we can end

799
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:08,039
on a high note. What is
your favorite experience you've had with a shark

800
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:13,519
if you haven't already talked about it. Well, so the whale shark things

801
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:15,280
were really cool because I got to
go out and tag whale sharks, which

802
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:22,280
was really awesome. But I guess
a more personal experience just because I worked

803
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,679
with this shark. I was an
intern at Odyssey Aquarium in Scottsdale, Arizona.

804
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,519
If you ever have the chance to
go, ten out of ten recommend

805
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,800
they take very good care of their
animals. All of the staff is fantastic.

806
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:37,320
They're a fantastic aquarium and they're very
caring. So I know that not

807
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,159
everyone supports aquariums because you know animals
in captivity. They do a very good

808
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:45,119
job with their animals, and I've
seen it firsthand. But they had a

809
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:50,519
big female lemon shark there when I
was interning there in twenty eighteen. Oh

810
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:54,119
my god, that's four years ago. I am, it's fine. I

811
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,920
just had an epiphane. I'm freaking
out. Anyway, when I was working

812
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,840
there, they had a big female
lemon shark and her nickname was Dot because

813
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,280
she had a big white spot on
her face and she was so cute and

814
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,239
everyone loved her. She was like
Queen Bee. She was like old.

815
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,239
She was the largest shark they had. I think she was like ten feet

816
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,960
long and like three hundred pounds or
something like that. She was huge.

817
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:17,360
But our first day there, me
and the other two Aquaris interns, is

818
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:22,000
we were going through and just having
like a tour of like here are all

819
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:24,000
the exhibits, like the back house
of the exhibits, this is how you

820
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,159
feed the animals, blah blah blah. And so we were down on top

821
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:31,199
of like the top level of the
shark exhibit, and as we were climbing

822
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:37,079
down, you hear this huge splash
and our mentor Kyle was like, oh

823
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,840
my god, who fell in?
He like panicked, No one fell in.

824
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,119
He looked by, he looked back
and dot basically whipped her tail and

825
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:51,639
splashed the shit out of everybody and
was like, welcome rookies, get ready

826
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:53,440
for Hell week. I don't know, like it just seems so funny.

827
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,800
And she was just like Queen Bee
showing us whose boss and we were all

828
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,199
drenched from head to toe for the
rest of the day, had squad she

829
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,800
shoes because she decided to make herself
known and it was It was amazing and

830
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,159
I love her. We all had
a really big laugh about it. Once

831
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,440
Kyle realized that none of his interns
fell into the shark exhibit, and he

832
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,559
was like, Okay, thank god, I can laugh now, everything's fine.

833
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:15,360
But yeah, that one was really
fun. I like that one.

834
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,119
That's so cute. It was awesome, and I feel like goes to show

835
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,840
that sharks also have personalities. They're
not just mindless fish out in the ease.

836
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,199
Yes. Actually, quick note on
that. I feel like people think

837
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,280
that fish are dumb and that they
just like don't have brains. Not true.

838
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:37,440
They obviously have brains, but they
can be trained. I've done it.

839
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:42,079
I have trained guitarfish, which are
rays. They're related to sharks,

840
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:45,079
and also all of the sharks of
the aquarium were trained to eat from a

841
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:49,199
target. So each species was trained
to go to their specific target. So

842
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,159
like dinnerse sharks had like a white
bow tie, and like the sandbar sharks

843
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:57,159
had like a gray bulls eye or
something like that. And so you put

844
00:53:57,159 --> 00:54:00,639
that in the water and that species
of shark immediately makes a beeline right to

845
00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:02,679
their target. And they're like,
I know what that means. That means

846
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:07,519
food, and so they'll come back. They'll circle around, get some food,

847
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:10,320
circle back around, get some food, until you know they've eaten all

848
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,320
the food that they are required to
eat for that day or whatever. And

849
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:15,920
I feel like people think that sharks
are so dumb, and I'm like,

850
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,960
no, they're super smart. Like
you can literally train them. It's been

851
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,840
done, it's always being done.
It's super helpful in the aquarium industry to

852
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,719
help make sure that each shark is
getting like the nutrients they need, they're

853
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,719
vitamins if they need it, the
right amount of food to make sure that

854
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,719
they're properly cared for. And it
also helps with like stretcher training, when

855
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,480
you know you have to do like
a checkup, like just how you have

856
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:40,960
to like take yourself or your dog
or cat for a checkup. Sometimes the

857
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,320
sharks need to check up, and
so you kind of you put their target

858
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,440
in the water, bring them over
onto like a stretcher, and you can

859
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,840
you know, check them out and
make sure that they're doing all well and

860
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,440
then release them back into the exhibit. So they're so smart and they have

861
00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:58,840
such personalities. Like I saw it
with the guitarfish that I was training.

862
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,519
They were named Fender, Gibbs,
Kramer because guitars. Oh my god,

863
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:06,920
thanks Kyle, and like Gibson was
like, yeah, I totally got this.

864
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,679
When we were first starting target training, she was like, I got

865
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:12,639
this. I'm a pro at this. I know what this means. Fender

866
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,239
was a little bit more reserved,
but once she figured it out, she

867
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,960
was like, yeah, yeah,
this makes sense. I understand what this

868
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,039
means. Now she's a superstar.
And Kramer was always like, I don't

869
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:23,079
know what this is. I have
trust issues. I don't like this.

870
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,760
I'll come over there because I know
you're gonna give me food, but I'm

871
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,679
still a little wary of what's going
on, and she was very like standoffish.

872
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,840
It was. They have such different
personalities and it's really cool to see

873
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,440
just like any other animal like a
dog, a cat, or a bear,

874
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:39,719
like you can you can see the
personalities happening when you are working with

875
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,800
them every single day. Yeah,
I love that, Nick. Did you

876
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,639
have any other questions? You mentioned
bears? Tell me what what we think

877
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:49,079
about bears. I literally, I
don't know. I like bears. I

878
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:52,239
think they're really cool. I just
mentioned bears because I feel like everyone's like,

879
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,559
ah, bears are so cute and
fluffy, and I'm sure they have

880
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:58,280
personalities and I want to hug a
bear cub. Don't do that, right,

881
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:02,119
Oh no, no, don't do
that. Don't mess with wildlife.

882
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:07,039
But also totally I don't know,
totally off topic. But I don't know

883
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:12,639
if you guys ever watched like BuzzFeed
Unsolved. I loved BuzzFeed Unsolved. It

884
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,719
was just these guys that did like
basically like ghost hunting or like talked about

885
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:22,840
true crime and stuff, unsolved cases
of course. And there's Shane Miday and

886
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:28,920
there's Ryan Vergara, and Ryan Regara
is like terrified of bears, and he's

887
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,159
like they are the apex predator of
the entire planet, like, and they

888
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:36,039
always had this argument. I feel
like Shane would be like if you dropped

889
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:38,159
a bear in the ocean, like
it's getting killed by a great white immediately,

890
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:40,760
and Ryan's like, nah, the
bear's gonna move. That thing like

891
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,559
he just thinks way too highly of
bears. I don't know. Bears are

892
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:47,320
fierce predators. I'm gonna give him
that, but I don't know. I

893
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,239
just every time someone talks about bears, that's what I think of. And

894
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,920
I'm like, I don't understand why
this man is so afraid of bears,

895
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:58,039
but it's hilarious, which I think
is so funny when you see like black

896
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:01,239
bears eating out of dumpsters and then
you like just look at them and oh

897
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:06,280
shit, sorry and walk away like
so non threatening, right, And this

898
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,960
man is like, that's a that's
the apex predator of the entire world.

899
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,519
And I'm like, that thing just
apologized for rooting through your trash and then

900
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:16,960
ran away with its tail between its
legs. I do not understand. That's

901
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:23,840
a ran Oh exactly, Oh my
gosh, so cute. Yeah we know.

902
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:28,920
Oh my god, I didn't know
that you loved bears so much kind

903
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,679
of launched us into that one.
I'm so sorry. I appreciate that you

904
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,679
all got it happens every time.
One way or another, we always get

905
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:39,599
back to bears. But thank you
so much for doing this with us and

906
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:43,039
talking about it. Thanks so much
for having me. Any chance I get

907
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:47,960
to nerd out about sharks, I'll
take the opportunity absolutely. So that was

908
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:55,119
our interview with Jada, and I
stand by my original thought of I think

909
00:57:55,199 --> 00:58:00,000
she's the best person to talk about
sharks with because she's like the most enthusiastic

910
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:04,920
and makes them seem less scary.
You were very right in our intro this

911
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,480
episode. She's way cool or smart
than you. I'm glad you agree.

912
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:12,519
Finally, there's a lot guy,
I spent like five minutes, right,

913
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:14,360
I think of that. It's like, this is worth it. She might

914
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:19,320
hate me for it, but let's
go. So I just wanted to touch

915
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,320
on a few things. So first
and foremost, we talked about her nonprofit

916
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:28,800
at the beginning miss Elasmo Minorities and
shark sciences, and then the word Elasmo

917
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:32,840
and I had no idea. I
just assumed it was a place. Is

918
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,719
that what you assumed? Like,
what do you think alasmoment? I guess

919
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,159
I haven't even put any thought into
it, just a just a funky little

920
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:44,920
word. Yeah. So apparently after
the interview, because I just was living

921
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,639
in like ignorance and was like,
I don't know, that's probably a place.

922
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:51,599
And what happens when you assumed Nick
make an ass out of you and

923
00:58:51,639 --> 00:58:53,559
me? Yeah, I did because
I thought it was a place. But

924
00:58:53,639 --> 00:59:02,440
it turns out Elasmo is because sharks
are group of Elasmo branch fish characterized by

925
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:09,119
their cartilaginous skeleton and their gills.
And would have never fucking knew no,

926
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:14,280
And I messaged and I was like, Okay, is this is Elasmo a

927
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,199
place or is it because of the
shark grouping? And it's because of the

928
00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:21,079
shark grouping? And I was like, oh my god, that's genius because

929
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:25,440
I'm sure like the abbreviation miss is
already taken on social media for different stuff.

930
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:29,360
I just never knew what alasma meant. So there it is. There

931
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,079
we go. Yeah. We also
touched on or we had asked her like,

932
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:37,880
where do you know are there certain
places where shark attacks happened more often?

933
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:42,639
So I looked into it and according
to the Florida Museum of Natural Histories

934
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:46,480
International Shark Attack File, so they
keep track of shark attacks or incidences,

935
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:50,960
encounters, whatever you want to call
them. Every year. So in twenty

936
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,000
twenty one worldwide, there were seventy
three unprovoked bites and there were thirty nine

937
00:59:55,119 --> 01:00:00,039
provoked bytes, which I assumed meant
just like people harassing, Yeah, we

938
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,119
don't care about those people deserve it
if you're prooking them, yeah, I

939
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:07,599
don't care about them. So that
like unprovoked means obviously you weren't doing anything.

940
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:10,119
You're just in the water and the
shark approach to you. But provoked

941
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:15,679
could be like you were underwater and
you were trying to touch them, or

942
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:19,920
you were trying to feed them.
Surely you're on a shark dive with like

943
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,559
on the Bahamas or something, and
like they've got the hut water chump.

944
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:25,280
You're like punching sharks underwater or something
like that. I even know, like,

945
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:30,559
how how do you provoke a shark
to bite you like swim after them

946
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:32,239
and try to touch them and ped
them and stuff. I can't imagine there's

947
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:36,400
anyone doing that. No, she
said in the interview that there were people

948
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,800
who, you know, go up
to whale sharks and stuff like that and

949
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,360
try to touch them and swim with
them. And grab onto them. I

950
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,920
have seen that. You're right,
Yeah, people are stupid, so that

951
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,719
constitutes a provoked bite. And then
also so there was thirty nine provoked bites

952
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,719
worldwide in twenty twenty one, and
then there were four boat bites, so

953
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,039
like, obviously people pulling sharks onto
a boat. Yep, yep. These

954
01:00:55,119 --> 01:01:00,400
numbers have increased since twenty twenty.
But obviously, like so many beaches were

955
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:05,599
locked down during twenty twenty and open
back up in twenty twenty one, so

956
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:07,639
I'm sure that's just a product of
more people being in the water. Yeah,

957
01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:10,800
like tourism, so like there was
no tourism, so we're in people

958
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,159
from fucking Topeka going over to California. Dude, swim in the oceans,

959
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:19,760
you know. Yeah, very true. Why are you gonna single out Kansas?

960
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,079
I don't know. I was thinking
of that as Topia came in my

961
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:25,760
mouth. I'm like, why,
Yeah, it's so random. But the

962
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:31,440
US is the world leader in unprovoked
bytes, with forty seven representing so forty

963
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:37,280
seven bytes in the US last year, which represents sixty four percent of bites

964
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:42,880
worldwide. America number one, let's
go all right, well, and Australia

965
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,719
came in second with twelve unprovoked bites
in twenty twenty one. Australia leads in

966
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:51,719
twenty twenty one with the most deaths. How many do you think there were?

967
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:54,800
Uh, just in Australia or worldwide? Yeah, just in Australia because

968
01:01:54,800 --> 01:02:00,960
if they have the most four Okay, no, close? Three? Wow,

969
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:07,000
it's not that bad. Yeah,
soksll less. In New Caledonia they

970
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:13,079
come in second with two fatal shark
attack encounters, bites, whatever you want

971
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:15,519
to call in twenty twenty one.
And then it's the US, Brazil,

972
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:21,840
New Zealand and South Africa all had
just one fatality in twenty twenty one from

973
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,760
a shark. So what are the
like the total world one nine total shark

974
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,800
related deaths in twenty twenty one.
I feel like that's not that bad.

975
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,880
It's not a lot. It's less
than I thought, I guess. Ye,

976
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:37,599
Like worldwide, there's so many people
in the water and as a person,

977
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:40,199
so many sharks. Yeah, and
well there's less, but we'll get

978
01:02:40,239 --> 01:02:44,679
into it. But as a person
who's been in the ocean many a time,

979
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,639
I've personally never been a shark.
I've never seen a shark in the

980
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:51,719
ocean. No never, Yeah,
so I just want to play a little

981
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:53,400
game. You know, we all
we all enjoy your driver for skills.

982
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,599
Where's New Caledonia? I thought,
so, okay, we can move on

983
01:02:58,639 --> 01:03:02,239
if you want. Why would you
do this? I I was excuse nobody,

984
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,039
what this is? No, And
usually I look this stuff up because

985
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:09,039
I know you're gonna ask. That's
fine. So anyways, back to my

986
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:13,880
statistics. Okay, I thought it
was like in that area, but I

987
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:21,880
okay, yeah, anyways, it's
Yeah, so Florida represents sixty percent of

988
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,960
the US total, which makes sense. Yeah, which means thirty eight percent

989
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:30,480
of unprovoked attacks worldwide occur in Florida. Yeah, yeah, that sounds about

990
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:36,400
right. So Jada was correct.
Florida is where the most like negative encounters

991
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,800
I guess happened. Yeah, I'll
accept that. I won't to argue with

992
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,599
that one. Yeah. I mean, even just thinking about like Miami,

993
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,239
like the beaches around there, there's
gotta be millions and millions of people on

994
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,679
those beaches like in the ocean every
year, you know. Yeah, and

995
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:52,800
like it's something I'm thinking about,
is like there's obviously so many sharks on

996
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,840
the coast of California because there's a
lot of seals there, but not a

997
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,639
whole lot of people are swimming up
in like the San Francisco area, like

998
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:02,039
the water if they're a lot choppier, like the beaches aren't really much of

999
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,920
a thing. Like it's kind of
like LA in South. Yeah, Like

1000
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:08,760
La and South is kind of like
how like where a lot of the uh

1001
01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:12,920
pooper are swimming and along that coast
there's not a whole lot of seals.

1002
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,639
Down in La Joya there's a bit
see lions at least, and then north

1003
01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:19,639
of LA but between there there's not
many. Yeah, And she touched on

1004
01:04:19,679 --> 01:04:24,360
the fact that like Cape Cod in
Massachusetts, they have more seals now,

1005
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,039
so they're seeing more and more sharks. I think there was a bite a

1006
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:30,559
few years ago, maybe two years
ago, three years ago. I feel

1007
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:32,199
like it's a thing every summer where
the news has like a whole thing about

1008
01:04:32,239 --> 01:04:36,440
the summer sharks, and there's like
a giant, you know, fucking highway

1009
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,960
of them going up and down the
coast New England. But it's because they

1010
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,119
migrate every year exactly. It's not
really a thing that you know, people

1011
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:45,000
are being attacked by them up here. Yeah, again, I don't think

1012
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:48,800
we have that many people go in
the water compared to Florida. So oh

1013
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,880
yeah, Well when you were saying
that, I was thinking of the oceans

1014
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:57,679
here they're like ickier compared Well,
yeah, no, I can tell you

1015
01:04:57,719 --> 01:05:03,800
it's much ickier from someone who's been
in many oceans and many oceans, and

1016
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:08,440
then I feel like the Gulf of
Mexico doesn't count though. It's I mean,

1017
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:11,320
isn't it all really the same ocean? If you think about it,

1018
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,239
it's all connected. Yeah. Basically
every continent is just an island. Yeah,

1019
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:20,519
yeah, yeah, it's one really
really big island. Yeah, exactly.

1020
01:05:20,719 --> 01:05:24,920
Can we name the island of North
America and South America something just right

1021
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:30,360
now on the podcast? Uh,
America, that's the lots of answer.

1022
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,679
That's fine, Yeah, that is
totally fun. It's weird that we're like

1023
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:39,360
the United States of America and then
there's a North and South. Like it's

1024
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:45,880
weird that South America has a guy
named America vespooci discovered it or mapping at

1025
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,639
least, really America Vespoci. You
don't know America vespoci is. Of course

1026
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:54,239
I can't even pronounce Belarus. Of
course I don't know who discovered the fucking

1027
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,559
Americas and map them. He mapped
them, I believe is the way that

1028
01:05:57,719 --> 01:05:59,920
the story. So if you map
something, you get to name it.

1029
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:05,159
I think so, yes, wame
that it's not North and South Columbus,

1030
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,880
so that'd be really dumb. Yeah, but I know we have like a

1031
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,960
Columbus in every state almost, yeah, or Columbia, like it's all kind

1032
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,079
of the same thing. Was Columbia
named after christor Columbus? I guess I

1033
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:21,920
couldn't really say for sure. I'm
gonna say yes because I don't know.

1034
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:28,519
Great that sounds like a great plan. Anyways, So I mentioned earlier you

1035
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:30,400
were saying like, obviously there's a
bunch of sharks in the ocean. So

1036
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:38,679
Jada was also correct, And according
to the Smithsonian Ocean dot SI dot edu,

1037
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:45,079
approximately one hundred million sharks are killed
every year. Jesus Christ. And

1038
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:50,960
that's like an estimate because of the
illegal like sharkfin trade and people just using

1039
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:56,639
different parts of them for like traditional
medicines and whatnot. Fuck yep, it's

1040
01:06:57,199 --> 01:07:00,440
it's not good. It's not pretty
a bit. I feel like, for

1041
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:03,559
that many sharks be killed every year, I've eaten a surprising lack of shark

1042
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:06,599
in my life. You know,
I said something's being killed that often.

1043
01:07:06,599 --> 01:07:10,519
I feel like least uses the food
source more often. Well, I think

1044
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:14,119
it's probably more. You can probably
find it more so, like on the

1045
01:07:14,159 --> 01:07:15,719
other side of the world, But
over here, I don't think there's a

1046
01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:18,760
lot of like shark killing. I
could be totally wrong. You can find

1047
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:23,360
fried shark at the Florida State Fair, I know for a fact. Well,

1048
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,480
then you just didn't need it.
No, I ate it again,

1049
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,480
I feel like I should have no
Wait what I feel like it'suld be more

1050
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:32,360
common. How does shark taste?
Well, when you fry it all tastes

1051
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,320
like chicken. Honestly, the gator
tastes like chicken. The fucking shark tastes

1052
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,639
like chicken. Like it all.
Why do we compare everything to chicken?

1053
01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:42,039
It's when you fry it. It's
my thing, like it all just tastes

1054
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:44,639
like fried food in general. Well, then we could just say, like,

1055
01:07:44,719 --> 01:07:47,079
oh, everything just tastes like shark. You know, I'm down with

1056
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:50,320
that. Next time we go somewhere, just like gator. Yeah, next

1057
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:51,840
time we go somebody the way,
you's like, hey, how was it

1058
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:58,239
got tasted? Just like shark.
I loved it. God, I don't

1059
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,840
know how much of the shark killing
is done for eating them. It doesn't

1060
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:08,320
seem like a lot from my understanding. A lot of times they catch the

1061
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:12,320
shark, cut off the fins and
throw them overboard, which is awful.

1062
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:17,239
Like so oh God, I don't
want to get to ahead of our schedule,

1063
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:21,159
but we have an episode coming up. It's like about wildlife exploitation in

1064
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:26,520
that way, and that is like
the biggest, my biggest thing. My

1065
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:30,439
whole life has been about trying to
solve issues like that, like traditional medicines,

1066
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,680
like farming tigers, which is a
thing to get certain parts of them,

1067
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,640
and like the fact that people can
cut off parts of a living animal's

1068
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:41,920
body and then just dump it.
I fundamentally do not understand it. It

1069
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,279
doesn't make sense to me. No, And because sharks are slow growing and

1070
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:48,039
they don't have like a high reproductive
rate, like it's not like they pop

1071
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:53,119
out babies like rabbits, dow.
They're very susceptible to extinction, so it's

1072
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:58,279
difficult for sharks to like replenish the
numbers that are very quickly diminished by this

1073
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:02,800
shark fin trade. Yeah, so
pretty funny we have last sixty to seventy

1074
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:10,520
percent of shark populations, specifically due
to these human shark fisheries. Yeah.

1075
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:14,279
Fuck, so you know, keep
that in mind for everyone who's like,

1076
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,920
oh, I hate sharks, Like, okay, yes, they killed nine

1077
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:21,239
people in twenty twenty one, but
we killed one hundred million of them because

1078
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,399
we just want to use one part
of their body. Fuck that. I

1079
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:29,640
would like to find a list of
things I've killed nine people in twenty twenty

1080
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,000
one, Like, it's gonna be
some wild shit on there, because nine

1081
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:34,399
is not a lot. And you
know, over the course of you know,

1082
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:39,720
a population is seven and a half
billion, like nine. Yeah,

1083
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,439
nothing, No, absolutely not,
which I think is important to mention for

1084
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,840
all the people who are so afraid
of sharks, and I get it,

1085
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,000
like they're big and scary, and
especially if you're in an ocean that's murky,

1086
01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:51,720
it can be spooky. But yeah, the odds are astronomically low.

1087
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:56,119
Yeap. Also, I don't think
most people are going that far out into

1088
01:09:56,119 --> 01:10:00,359
the ocean, which I know shallow
depths attacks happen. Yeah, but the

1089
01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:05,159
odds are again very well exactly well. I think that's a good place to

1090
01:10:05,279 --> 01:10:11,079
end it on. That was not
the most hopeful ending, But I just

1091
01:10:11,159 --> 01:10:15,720
hope that you like sharks more.
And I'll add some links to Jada's nonprofit

1092
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,680
and I'll add some links to these
websites where I'm getting information on like shark

1093
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:23,159
attacks and whatnot. And if you
want to know more about sharks, reach

1094
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:27,319
out to Jada. I'll have her
Twitter and other social media handles blow and

1095
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:31,039
she always be thrilled to talk with
people about sharks. She is thrilled.

1096
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:35,640
She is all kind of like what
she does. Yeah, So thank you

1097
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:40,279
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1098
01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:42,840
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1099
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,600
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01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,960
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