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Hi, and welcome back to The
Unseen Podcast, a podcast dedicated to missing

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people, unresolved cases and UK true
crime. Today's day one of twelve days

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of Missing People throughout December. We
are going to be covering the disappearance of

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Ellen Coss Brown in Manchester in nineteen
ninety nine. Ellen went missing after traveling

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to Manchester from Ireland to visit her
sister Bertha. After heading to Manchester Piccadilly

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station to travel back to Hollyhead to
board the ferry, she disappeared and her

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family have been looking for her ever
since. When I read about Ellen's case,

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I just had to cover it as
it was from close to where I

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live and I really felt for Ellen's
family who have been desperately trying to find

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her. This episode is about a
missing person and so does not contain any

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graphic descriptions, but there are some
discussions about mental illness, so listener discretion

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is always advised. On the third
of November nineteen ninety nine, fifty one

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year old Ellen Coss Brown traveled to
Manchester Piccadilly train station from her sister's home

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in the area of Langley and Middleton. Piccadilly is the main train station,

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which services the city of Manchester and
it provides intercity and cross country services to

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most places in the UK. As
of March twenty twenty, it was the

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third busiest train station outside of London
in the UK. Ellen had made the

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seven and a half mile journey from
her sister Bertha's house in Langley plenty of

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times before, as she often went
to stay with her in her council home.

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Ellen lived in Dublin and was originally
from the city of bally Firm,

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which is around five miles from Dublin. Her family have described her as vivacious,

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good fun and always friendly. She
was sociable and enjoyed a close relationship

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with her family, particularly with two
of her brothers, Thomas and James,

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and her only son Peter. Peter
would later explain that he was very close

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with his mum and being an only
child, he spent most of his time

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with just her. He later told
them n newspaper. We had a close

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relationship. I was an only child
and mostly my mom brought me up.

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We spoke on the phone all the
time. I would come home for Christmas

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and holidays, and when she was
in Manchester, I would go up and

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see her She was quite a vivacious
person. My mum loved music and I

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remember her singing around the house,
and she was independent. She always seemed

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to look younger than she was.
Ellen traveling to see her sister in Manchester

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was a regular occurrence for her,
and there was nothing out of the ordinary

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about her being there in November of
nineteen ninety nine. Her plan was to

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travel to Hollyhead from Manchester Piccadilly station
and then got on a ferry back home

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to Dublin. Ellen didn't like to
fly, and so she preferred to make

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this longer journey to get there instead. This was a journey that Ellen had

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made plenty of times, and so
when she did this same journey on November

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third, there was nothing out of
the ordinary about it. Hollyhead is around

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one hundred and twenty miles from Manchester
and takes around three hours to get there

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by train. It's then another three
hours on the boat from Hollyhead to Dublin.

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When Ellen got to Manchester Piccadilly that
day, this was the journey that

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everyone assumed that she would be making
that day. Her family, however,

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began to suspect that something was wrong
when Ellen did not return to Dublin as

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she had previously planned to do.
This did ring some alarm bells. It

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raised more red flags when the next
day she also did not return. When

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she hadn't returned the next day,
Ellen's brothers Thomas and James in Ireland and

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her family were extremely concerned by her
disappearance and knew that this was out of

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character. No matter how many times
Ellen had made this journey, she always

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returned and she was always in touch. Something didn't feel right to her family

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and they decided to contact police.
Her family weren't sure how far she had

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gotten her journey from Manchester to Dublin. However, they phoned Greater Manchester Police

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seeing as this is where she began
her journey. Her family reported, however,

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that GMP informed them that they would
have to wait a day before reporting

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her missing. Her family began and
liaising with Greater Manchester Police and the Guarder

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in Ireland to try and figure out
what happened to Ellen. There was even

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more concern given that Ellen didn't have
a mobile phone or any way to directly

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get in touch with her. Ellen's
son Peter was contacted and his uncles informed

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him that his mum had not returned, and when she hadn't returned the day

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after, he was also concerned.
He told the men in twenty nineteen she

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did sometimes go places on her own, so not being around for a day

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was not incredibly unusual. But then
it got to another day and nobody had

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heard from her, and she didn't
have a mobile phone. We called the

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police, but were advised to wait
until the following day. We started getting

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concerned and started liaising with the police
in Manchester in Ireland. He adds.

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We did wonder if she got on
the boat. We asked the police to

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look at CCTV footage and for some
reason they couldn't get hold of it or

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it wasn't working that night, so
there was no CCTV footage. Ellen's brother

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Thomas elaborated on this information about the
CCTV, saying the police spent eight days

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trialing the CCTV of people boarding the
ferry or in the terminal, and then

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said it was indiscernible. It was
in mink condition when it left Hollyhead,

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but must have got damaged in transit
to Manchester. This was of course a

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blow, as this would have confirmed
whether Ellen had boarded the boat from Hollyhead

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to Dublin and would have given them
some concrete facts. Her family couldn't quite

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understand where she could have gone.
Given that she did not have a passport

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and only had around twenty pounds with
her on the day that she went missing,

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there did not appear to be many
places that she could have gone.

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Ellen's family were also concerned about her
welfare due to her state of mind before

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her disappearance. Her family would later
tell the press that Ellen had been struggling

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with her mental health since her mother
had died earlier on in the year.

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In March nineteen ninety nine, her
brother told the Irish Mirror Ellen had lost

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it since Arma died in March nineteen
ninety nine. She was mentally unwell.

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There is no way she would have
willingly gone missing and left her son.

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Peter. Her son, also mentioned
this in The m e n in twenty

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nineteen, saying she had been staying
with Bertha for a couple of months,

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almost living with them for a while. My mum had some mental health issues.

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She felt like a change of scenery
would help because she'd been depressed,

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he recalled. He spoke to his
mom the night before she went missing.

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He stated in the article. I
remember at the end of the phone call

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her telling me she loved me,
although she would often say that. We

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were talking about how she was feeling, and I said, we all want

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you to get better, but you
have to worry to get better. It's

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down to you, and she said, yes, it is down to me.

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It was clear to her family that
she'd been struggling to get her life

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back on track, but that she
loved her family and that she would not

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just have left, and so the
fact that she had just disappeared was strange.

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The family were desperate for information.
However, initially they weren't sure where

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she had last been seen, and
they came up against some stumbling blocks.

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Ellen was an Irish resident but had
last been seen in Manchester, so her

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case fell between two jurisdictions. Her
family had stated that this made it difficult

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for them to make any progress with
the investigation from the outset. Both the

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Garda in Ireland and the Greater Manchester
Police were aware of Ellen as a missing

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person, but despite this little progress
was made initially. Thomas later said that

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he was sent on a wild goose
chase by the Garda and that Ellen's age

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seemed to make her case less of
a priority, he told the Irish Mirror

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from day one. Once they realized
what age she was, one of them

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said to me, well, a
lot of these women decide to go miss

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in. There's nothing more we can
do about it. Her family were sure

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that this wasn't the case, though, and they pushed to have Ellen's case

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featured on TV. This did not
happen for around two weeks after Ellen's disappearance,

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and the police did do an appeal
on TV, with James and Tom

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also appealing for information. The family
have stated that they had to push police

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to get this done. Though this
appeal was of course helpful to Ellen's case

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and made more people aware of her
disappearance, but her family have stated that

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following this they also got quite a
few false sightings of Ellen, which did

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not help the situation. Ellen's description
had been disseminated. Ellen is described as

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five foot three inches tall, slight
build, with long gray and dark brown

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hair that she normally ties back.
She is very softly spoken, but is

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usually sociable and friendly. Following this
description, people came forward with information.

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There were several sightings of Ellen from
Hollyhead, suggesting that perhaps she had made

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it there. One of these sightings
came from a woman at a restaurant who

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said that she saw someone fitting Ellen's
description. Tom stated, a woman at

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a restaurant in the center of Hollyhead
told me a woman the exact size description

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and with the same mannerisms as Ellen. Came in to get shelter from the

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rain and wind. The member of
staff said, I will have to ask

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you to leave, and Ellen or
the woman replied in a soft, refined

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voice sorry. Tom also told the
Irish Mirror that someone else said that they

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saw her drinking with a crowd of
strangers in Hollyhead. Tom stated, I

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never found her. I went over
thinking Hollyhead would be this small port town,

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but it was a huge area.
There were many suspected sightings of my

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sister, but nothing ever came to
any of them. I'm sure Ellen got

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to Hollyhead. Ellen's family, in
particular, her brother Tom, spent a

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long time trying to get to the
bottom of where Ellen could have gone,

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and he has never stopped looking for
her. Tom went backwards and forwards to

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Hollyhead to try and see if he
could track her down. This must have

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been disappointing given the amount of effort
that Tom went to to try and track

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any leads down. He also explained
that there were some rumors that Ellen was

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perhaps living rough in Dublin. In
fact, someone had stated that they had

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seen someone in the homeless community who
fit her description. Tom decided to also

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sleep rough to try and get a
look at this woman who someone thought was

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his sister. He said, I
can remember when there was a look alike

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of her in Dublin. I had
to sleep roth to gain the trust of

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the homeless community, and I wanted
to see this woman. I did see

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her very like my sister, but
not her. There were several sightings of

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her in Dublin, but none of
them turned out to be her. The

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family also had some false hope given
to them at one point when someone got

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in contact with them and said that
Ellen was staying with a friend but did

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not want to make contact. Tom
said, I broke down in the public

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payphone with relief. I then rang
my missing sister's son in London to give

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him the good news, as I
had done to my sister in Manchester and

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my brother in Dublin. It was
only when my nephew said are you sure?

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Did you check it out who verified
the story that I rang the guy

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who told me he'd spoken to Ellen. I then realized he was sing up

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the dates and it was before she
went missing that he'd seen her. The

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family were also facing the fact that
Greater Manchester Police were under the impression that

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Ellen was back in Dublin and that
she had been working as a childminder.

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This unfortunately meant that GMP had cut
back the search for Ellen, as it

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was believed that she was alive and
well and perhaps just did not want to

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make contact. All of these rumors
and false sightings did not help at all

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in locating Ellen, and the conflict
between the jurisdictions between Dublin and Manchester also

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added to the confusion. Ellen's son
Peter, stated that he felt he was

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always having to contact the police for
any news or progress on the investigation.

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He said, it felt like I
was constantly having to ring the police for

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updates. The police in Dublin wanted
to close the case early. It didn't

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feel like it was a priority.
This must have added stress and heartache that

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the fact did not need, particularly
as they were trying to come to terms

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with the fact that Ellen had simply
vanished with no explanation. Around a year

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after Ellen had disappeared, the family
were faced with more heartache when Peter and

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Ellen's sister Bertha were asked to go
and view a body in Bournemouth. Peter

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gave DNA samples in order to try
and rule out this unidentified person who had

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been found after being in the water
for a long time. Peter said,

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at one point me and Bertha had
to view a body in Bournemouth. They'd

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been in the water for some time. I didn't think it looked like her.

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We had to give DNA samples in
case, and it was an anxious

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weight. In the end, it
wasn't her. It was difficult because you're

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making that journey and on the one
hand you're hoping it isn't her, and

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on the other you just want to
know what has happened. That was probably

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less than a year after she went
missing two thousand. This would not be

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the last time that Peter would have
his DNA compared to other remains that have

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been found, and each time he
explains, it's always an anxious weight.

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He told the men in twenty nineteen. Recently I had to do another DNA

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sample because there might have been a
match with some remains. It was not

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the case, but it brought everything
to the forefront. You've got hope on

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the one hand, but dread on
the other that you will hear the worst.

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People talk about closure, that you
want to know one way or another.

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I think that's exactly it. I'm
a bit more hopeful that we will

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establish what happened, but then again, we have been here before and it's

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twenty years down the line. Since
Ellen went missing in nineteen ninety nine,

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her family have not stopped looking for
her and have appealed at every opportunity for

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information. Ellen's case became an important
part of a civil case in the Circuit

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Civil Court in twenty twenty one when
it was discovered that she was a beneficiary

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of the estate of a relative.
She is the beneficiary of three hundred and

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seventy two thousand euros from the estate
and this brought up the problem of the

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fact that Ellen is a missing person. Ellen's brother, James, was the

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administrator of the estate and it's reported
that he asked the court for directions and

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what to do in this situation.
Judge John O'Connor declared that an advert should

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be placed in a Manchester newspaper asking
for her to contact family and also to

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explain that they were looking for information
as to her whereabouts. This brings up

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an important issue when it comes to
the long term missing. Life still moves

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on and who deals with things like
this when they come up. As of

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November twenty twenty three, Ellen Coss
Brown is still missing and it does not

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appear that there have been any new
developments. Ellen is a loved person and

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her family have done everything they can
to try and find her. It's clear

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that her family miss her daily and
would just love to know where she is

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and what happened. Ellen's brother Tom
wrote a poem about Ellen's disappearance in twenty

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sixteen. It reads, You've been
missing since forever, or at least that's

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how it seems, And that's why
I feel like replying when someone asks when

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you were last seen. Instead,
I just give the standard answer, to

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the best of my knowledge, last
scene for definite on such a date,

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The date that has now replaced your
birthday, your first day at school,

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your first romance, your first job, has now become the date we live

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to hate. Sometimes I can almost
convince myself that you either started a new

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life and a happy way you are, or that you just had a fall

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took your own life and that someday
your body will be found. For even

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when a body is found, you're
left with more questions than answers, like

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was it something I said? Or
didn't that make them decide to go away?

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Ellen was a beloved sister, mother, daughter, and family member,

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and her family deserve answers to what
happened. If you know anything about Ellen

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Coss Brown's disappearance in nineteen ninety nine, then please contact Greater Manchester Police on

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one oh one. I'll contact the
Missing Person charity. I will link Ellen's

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missing person profile in the show notes. Thank you for listening to today's episode.

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