1 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,640 We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emili Jashinsky, 2 00:00:21,719 --> 00:00:24,960 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,199 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter, x whatever 4 00:00:29,239 --> 00:00:33,119 you call it at FDR LST. Of course, make sure to subscribe wherever 5 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,799 you download your podcasts into the premium version of our website as well. Today, 6 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,520 I thought we would mix it up a little bit. There's going to 7 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,920 be a first part to this podcast and a second part to this podcast. 8 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,000 In the first part, I'm going to do a little question and answer. 9 00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:53,560 I put out a sort of question on social media saying, hey, if 10 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,679 you have anything you want to ask me, I'll be taking those questions here 11 00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:03,759 on Federalist Radio Hour today and got some really interesting responses. So I'm actually 12 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:08,280 kind of excited to go through your questions and maybe just thank everyone a little 13 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,560 bit for listening, for engaging with the show. I know I say this 14 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:15,879 all the time, but it's so humbling, and you know, I think 15 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:21,680 it's an honor actually to just sift through your thoughts and to hear your perspective. 16 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,760 So we're going to start with that. Second part is going to be 17 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:29,439 a quick conversation I had with Christopher Bedford of the Common Sense Society before he 18 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:32,760 headed on an amtrak. He's going up to New York, so he had 19 00:01:32,799 --> 00:01:36,239 about twenty minutes. And that's why I want to do, you know, 20 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:40,040 a little two parter here, because I don't like to put an episode out 21 00:01:40,079 --> 00:01:45,760 that is under thirty minutes long on a show called Federalist Radio Hour. But 22 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,640 in general, there's just always so much to talk about. There's, for 23 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:52,200 my perspective, really no reason to ever be under the thirty minute mark. 24 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,120 So I want to start here again by taking some of your questions. We 25 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:59,239 haven't really done this before on the show, but you're always welcome to hit 26 00:01:59,319 --> 00:02:01,400 us up at Radio the Federalists dot com. We actually read all of those 27 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:07,000 emails if you shoot me a tweet. I got a ton of feedback on 28 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:09,960 Instagram, which was awesome. I didn't used to use Instagram for work at 29 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,159 all. My bio on Instagram actually used to just be mostly tree pictures, 30 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:19,639 that's all it said, and the point of that was to deter people from 31 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,599 following me on Instagram. And then I realized Instagram was actually really great for 32 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,800 all kinds of professional purposes, but I didn't expect to get so many awesome 33 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:30,719 questions on Instagram. I think they just make it really easy to talk back 34 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:35,120 and forth. So why don't we start with one of those. This is 35 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:38,280 a question. Let me make sure I get the name right here. This 36 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:46,639 is a question from Jay Renderly, who asked, how can conservatives change the 37 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:53,120 narrative about abortion? Now we can and we have done individual podcasts on this 38 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,000 question. I mean, it's huge. It's something that conservatives have been thinking 39 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,759 about literally for decades, and there's so many different directions to go in. 40 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:06,159 I mean, of course, a lot of people have talked forever about sort 41 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:15,680 of centering stories about conservatives, centering their narrative on abortion around individual personal stories 42 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:22,280 that highlight experiences media does not often highlight, Media does not often want to 43 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:25,280 talk about, For example, with just Me eighteen, which just was in 44 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:30,919 the news again because of Texas in the last month, the media actually doesn't 45 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,879 tell the stories of people like Rick s Antrum's daughter. I believe this is 46 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:39,039 named Bella, who survived this condition and is having a really rewarding life and 47 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:44,560 bringing a lot of joy and happiness to her family. So I think that's 48 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:49,280 the common answer that you'll get, you know, sort of centering the emotional 49 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:53,719 experiences of so many people. And you know, we could talk about that 50 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:57,879 all day. You know, where conservatives have failed, where conservatives have succeeded. 51 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:00,080 We could go all the way back to Todd Aiken and the twenty twelve 52 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:06,680 War on Women narrative, which was totally produced by the media in sync in 53 00:04:06,759 --> 00:04:13,560 alignment with the Democratic Party. If people have not, if people have not 54 00:04:14,599 --> 00:04:17,759 revisited that history, it's actually really interesting because you know, where how many 55 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:24,040 years passed? The Great Recession? Not that long, And in twenty twelve, 56 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,639 the twenty twelve presidential election, there were a whole lot of people that 57 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,160 were still really struggling, and the media just gave the Democratic Party or the 58 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,079 Democratic Party gave the media, basically on a silver platter, a fully established 59 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:43,639 narrative to drive the presidential election cycle, media coverage, and media ran with 60 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,519 it. And you know, I think it probably did detract from conversations that 61 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,439 we could have been having about all kinds of different things, just so that 62 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:57,600 they could sort of go through this fabricated thing about how deeply I consider to 63 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,800 hate women and all of their plans to oppressed women. And et cetera, 64 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,199 et cetera. And there's also, by the way, that was coincided with 65 00:05:06,199 --> 00:05:11,560 the time when the Obama administration was taking some very real steps that I think 66 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,959 did genuinely concern old school leftists when it came to infringing on religious liberty, 67 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:23,000 how Obamacare was affecting Catholic groups, Catholic charities, and how that sort of 68 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,319 set precedent in different directions. You know, those stories again weren't really told, 69 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,399 and when they were told, it was Sandra Fluck who some people might 70 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:35,600 remember. So this is a huge conversation. But perhaps the one contribution that 71 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:42,120 I can make in response to Jay Renderley's question here that I think might be 72 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:47,720 different from other peoples in the conservative movement. It's too pronged one, or 73 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:54,319 at least the argument is too pronged one. You really have to acknowledge that 74 00:05:55,279 --> 00:06:00,439 this country, and I'm saying this from a pretty staunchly prole perspective, the 75 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,279 country is not on the same page as those of us who are staunchly pro 76 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:10,240 life. So that makes the political and moral conversation a little bit different. 77 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,560 So what you can do politically and what is moral then to do politically, 78 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:23,360 are complicated, so some people might call that incrementalism. That's a sort of 79 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:30,399 inner nice scene roiling debate in pro life circles about incrementalism, and you do 80 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:35,199 you risk blowing up the entire movement if you know, support getting rid of 81 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:42,120 exemptions and for example, with Rond DeSantis the heartbeat bill. So that's kind 82 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,720 of from my perspective at least, that's a different question than the one that 83 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,920 I want to answer here, which is, although it's important to acknowledge and 84 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,600 that sort of first point, the second point though, is I actually think 85 00:06:53,639 --> 00:07:00,279 when talking about, for example, exemptions or talking about things like we were 86 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:04,040 just talking about with with conditions, like we just mentioned with with Rick Santorum's 87 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:12,319 daughter, I think that there's been a tendency to dance around those questions, 88 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,319 to to go with euphemisms like pro life, which I have no problem with. 89 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,240 But I am perfectly content to be called anti abortion. And the reason 90 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:27,720 is what I want to argue for here, that people do not believe, 91 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,000 or it's harder for people to believe conservatives are truly pro life. It does 92 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,920 a huge It gives a huge advantage to the media and the left for pro 93 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:43,199 life people to run away from some of those conversations, or to beat around 94 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:47,319 a bush the bush and some of those conversations, rather than just boldly embracing 95 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:55,240 the reality that you you indeed do want to restrict all of these these different 96 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,600 what we what the left would call freedoms or rights. Uh, because you 97 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,360 believe first and foremost that life begins at conception. And if you believe first 98 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:09,079 and foremost that life begins at conception, I actually think it's much more persuasive 99 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:16,279 for pro lifers to embrace that that this is always a life. That we 100 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:24,759 cannot start making decisions about dignity, That every living human being has dignity, 101 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:28,680 whether they're way at the end of their life in a sort of Terry Shivo 102 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,120 situation or their way at the beginning of their life in a very early stage 103 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:39,039 of human development. That this is a life. And I really really think 104 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:46,159 people who are on the pro life side should act like that at all instances, 105 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:50,960 at all stages of pregnancy, at all stages of life period. And 106 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:58,120 that means I think boldly embracing some really difficult conversations about exceptions, for example, 107 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,759 and this applies to things like IVF too, And that's why I'm increasingly 108 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:09,120 thinking this is more and more important to embrace the reality, the difficult reality, 109 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:13,240 that this is life in all of its stages. So, for example, 110 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,000 if you start embracing that when it comes to fetal development, when it 111 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,759 comes to the development of a baby very early in a pregnancy, that is 112 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:28,440 makes the argument, the moral argument more consistent. When you start talking about 113 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,600 IVF, when you start talking about some of these forms of birth control, 114 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,440 some of these forms are well quote unquote birth control, some of these forms 115 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,720 of you know, the morning afterpill, all of those things. I think 116 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:46,639 it's much easier to make that argument if the pro life side is willing and 117 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:54,960 ready to lean in one hundred percent to these conversations or to the reality that 118 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,919 you're dealing with a human life that has equal dignity, the incredible stories of 119 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:07,679 babies conceived through rape and their mothers who have survived rape and gone on to 120 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:16,279 love these children and to oppose abortion because they are so glad they did not 121 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:24,240 extinguish this life with equal dignity. I'm not saying these conversations aren't complicated. 122 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:26,519 I am, however, saying that I do think to answer the question, 123 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:33,639 one way conservatives can change the narrative about abortion is being more intellectually honest in 124 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:37,000 all of these conversations. There are some people who are fantastic at this. 125 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,360 I'm just saying it because I think if there's one thing that could be done 126 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:46,159 more, done better in a post Dobbs environment, and just thought about more 127 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:48,440 too. I don't have all the answers. It's not perfect. I do 128 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,159 really really believe in that one. So I was glad to see this question 129 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:56,440 come in via Instagram. Chris kuns ask asked, what are your thoughts on 130 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:03,440 last night's debate? First of all, I should clarify that I don't believe 131 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:09,919 this was Senator Chris Coons, because that would really be surprising even to me. 132 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:11,759 We have some I should say. I know we have some high profile 133 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,200 listeners to Federalist Radio Hour, and we always have. I think it's the 134 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,159 amazing audience that have been Dominich built up over the course of years. But 135 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,120 this is not from Senator Chris Coons. My thoughts on last night's debate basically 136 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:28,399 where the Ron DeSantis was at his best and Nikki Haley was at her worst, 137 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,000 although none of it matters. They're fighting for a very very distant second 138 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,240 place, there's a small chance that someone comes out of Iowa with momentum that 139 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,360 changes things in New Hampshire, then one or the other drops out, and 140 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:46,320 someone's able to go into Super Tuesday with a consolidated kind of anti Trump. 141 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:48,840 And I don't mean that in the sense that like never Trump, but people 142 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,320 who would rather vote for someone other than Trump, and this primary sort of 143 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:56,320 consolidates that vote. But so far as we know it, that vote from 144 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:03,639 national polling is right now less than fifty Trump nationally is over fifty percent. 145 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,960 So even if someone comes out of Iowa and New Hampshire with momentum, which 146 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,480 I think there's already a small chance of, not a zero chance, but 147 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:15,960 a small chance, even if that happens, you are then counting on to 148 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,879 say that this debate really mattered. You're then counting on that person, whether 149 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:24,840 it's Destanta's or Haley, having an enormous ability to shift public opinion on the 150 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:28,600 right as they head into Super Tuesday and some of the primary battles. I 151 00:12:28,799 --> 00:12:33,080 just think the chances of that are so low. I don't think either campaign 152 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,039 is particularly well run at this point. I don't think the Republican Party in 153 00:12:41,159 --> 00:12:46,039 past that fifty percent threshold that Republican primary voters are willing to go past that 154 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,240 fifty percent threshold of support for someone other than Donald Trump. I just don't 155 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:56,320 think more than half of Republican primary voters, as people start racking up votes 156 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,799 going into the convention, which of course is a lovely Milwaukee this year, 157 00:13:00,919 --> 00:13:05,919 I just don't think there's a path mathematically for that. So I don't think 158 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:11,879 the debate mattered. 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But it does as someone who was really excited about 189 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,240 the Dysantis candidacy, having watched what happened in Florida, and having always been 190 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,960 pretty reluctant about trump Ism and the Trump era, like you know, honestly 191 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,080 a lot of people in conservative media and a lot of people on the right 192 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:46,879 too. That's not a completely sort of Beltway blinder bubble position to have. 193 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,639 You know, there are a lot of people who voted happily for Trump but 194 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:54,600 would have preferred to vote for someone else. And we saw that play out 195 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:58,240 in twenty fifteen. Twenty sixteen. Most voters who went to the polls in 196 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:02,639 that Republican primary voted for somebody other than Donald Trump. He just had the 197 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:06,320 highest I guess proportion of the votes is the best way to say that. 198 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,720 So there's always been you know, enough people, but they've never gotten something 199 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,039 good from everybody else in the Republican Party, Like the Republican Party has done 200 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,200 a really bad job of responding to what Trump did a really good job of 201 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,200 tapping into. And I thought Rond De Santis is one of the few bright 202 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:29,200 lights who did do a good job of that both politically and morally. Doesn't 203 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,759 agree with all of his policies. I thought there was, you know, 204 00:16:30,759 --> 00:16:34,639 a couple instances of overreach, but in the aggregate, I think he was 205 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:38,320 really good for the state of Florida, and I think he would be probably 206 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,720 a good president of the United States. I said probably, because I don't 207 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:47,159 know that to be true for sure, and you know, anybody who claims 208 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,639 that they do is lying. And he really don't have an idea. The 209 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:53,279 best we can do is sort of have these expectations and make decisions based on 210 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:59,080 them. But Ron De Santis, I think really showed why he was a 211 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,039 good option for so much many people last night at the debate, and it 212 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:03,960 was too little, too late. I think Nikki Haley I said this on 213 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:11,720 the News Nation broadcast, or actually this was Megan Kelly's broadcast of her Wonderful 214 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:17,920 podcast after the News Nation debate broadcast that she did in December. I actually 215 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,960 think Nikki Haley is really harming her future in the Republican Party with this run 216 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,559 because in a primary, she is being asked to stake out so many anti 217 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,519 DeSantis and anti Trump positions. You know, Chris Christy dropped out of the 218 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:33,359 race before the debate last night. He was kind of a non entity in 219 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,759 most states except for New Hampshire before it. But because Nikki Heley is running 220 00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:44,880 against Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump, she is staking out a position positions to 221 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,039 the center of, not to the right of, but to the center of 222 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,200 both of these popular figures. And DeSantis is more popular with her. He 223 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:56,240 was even popular among the kind of never Trump crowd and still is with some 224 00:17:56,279 --> 00:18:00,559 of them. So Nicki Haley spending all of these months and all of this 225 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:06,119 money blasting out her positions being different. For example, she had to defend 226 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:11,759 just last night positions on immigration, on transgenderism, on Ukraine in a way 227 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:17,240 that is not popular with a lot of Republicans, with probably most Republicans. 228 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:22,200 And if she had, you know, if she had a different landscape, 229 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,079 in the Republican primary. Let's say if Rond Deo Santis had not run and 230 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:30,759 it was like Donald Trump, Vivek, Chris Christie and Nicki Haley, she 231 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,680 might have been able to get away with some of this better, just avoided 232 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:38,960 talking about Trump and run to the right of Chris Christie and handled Viveke in 233 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,200 a different way. But that's just not what happened. And so I actually 234 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:47,000 think this entire candidacy, including last night where it was just her and Ron 235 00:18:47,079 --> 00:18:52,039 de Santis, I think that made it really will probably make a lasting We'll 236 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:57,240 have a lasting effect on her likability and her viability as a political figure on 237 00:18:57,279 --> 00:19:02,279 the right because when Nicki Haley is talking about things Republicans actually agree with, 238 00:19:02,319 --> 00:19:07,319 when she has the instincts that push her to actually, whether or not she 239 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,680 believes it, actually say things that Republican voters agree with, she does a 240 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,640 good job of it. You know, she's she's a good messenger. I 241 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,160 shouldn't say she's a great messenger. I always go back and forth on whether 242 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,279 she's a great politician or a terrible politician. But she has moments that shows 243 00:19:21,319 --> 00:19:26,880 she's she's able to communicate effectively. You know, there are a lot of 244 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,519 people, not a ton of people, but there is a section of the 245 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:33,680 population that really does like Nikki Haley, and so if she ran in a 246 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,119 way that was responsive to Republican voters, she might have been able to be 247 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,920 a more popular figure. We actually saw this during the Trump administration. She 248 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,480 was a more popular figure on the right during the Trump administration because she wasn't 249 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:51,519 constantly trying to prove that she was more centrist or more liberal than Republicans than 250 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:56,359 Donald Trump, and then then and then Trump is't in general. So I 251 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,400 really think that debate to the extent it mattered, which it didn't. I 252 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,960 mean, we're not talking about huge viewership here. We're not talking about game 253 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:10,400 changing performances. We haven't really seen any debate change the landscape here except for 254 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,119 Nikki Heely did get a little bump after the first couple. I think Vived 255 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,559 got a little bump after the first couple. But you know, I just 256 00:20:18,599 --> 00:20:22,200 don't think it mattered. So that's basically my take on last night's debate. 257 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:26,559 What would this is from Connor Essex. What would it take for Republicans to 258 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:32,440 support RFK Junior in the twenty twenty four election? You know, I think 259 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,799 it would take him. Fully. I don't think you're ever going to get 260 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:38,799 a bunch of Republicans to support RFK Junior in the twenty twenty four election. 261 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:44,599 I think they would have to feel because of the Trump factor. Basically, 262 00:20:44,599 --> 00:20:48,839 I think there's just a lot of Republican voters that only trust Donald Trump because 263 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,279 he is the bulldozer, and they only want a bull dozer because they feel 264 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:56,839 like the country is slipping away from them and it's happening so quickly. You 265 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:02,000 need someone who's going to make a big is going to do big damage to 266 00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:04,119 the swamp really quickly, and so I don't know in this cycle you could 267 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,200 ever do that. But to get more Republicans to support RFK Junior, I 268 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:15,160 think it would be him really making an affirmative argument for when the expansion of 269 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,359 government is appropriate and when it's not. I want to hear him talk about 270 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:25,079 that, because he's gone after so the private sector in ways that you know, 271 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:29,599 as an empathetic I am to the new right argument and outright supportive of 272 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,440 it on a lot of cases in terms of the economy. And by the 273 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,680 way, that's another reason Ron DeSantis was at his best in last night's debate, 274 00:21:36,759 --> 00:21:41,559 he talked about social security in a way that was really responsive to and 275 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:45,119 in a way that you know, Republicans should have learned from what voters were 276 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,319 telling them in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen, and that's okay, you should 277 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,000 have taken lessons from that. He talked about social security and I think a 278 00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:56,359 really helpful and genuinely conservative way, but in a way that wasn't just playing 279 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,000 on Nikki Haalism. I think he did the same thing on Ukraine. I 280 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,400 think he did the same thing where you talked about Disney, and I really 281 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,000 think he handled that well. In terms of our junior, I think he 282 00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:08,160 has to talk about and sort of confront head on, you know, why 283 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:15,839 he does trust government to expand in certain cases, to take over private individuals 284 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,839 in certain cases, and because I actually really think that weighs heavily on the 285 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:22,640 minds of a whole lot of Republican voters, very heavily on a whole lot 286 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,920 of minds of Republican voters. Is that this is I've been working on a 287 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,720 piece about this, actually, so I'll just work out some of my thoughts 288 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:34,200 here in this conversation, which is actually always helpful. But you know, 289 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:41,480 it's in the same way that Javier Mila comes into Argentina with a sort of 290 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:48,319 very libertarian perspective on big government. What he did is very very different when 291 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:55,519 some of the European populists do. Which is this kind of melding of economic 292 00:22:55,599 --> 00:23:03,799 progressivism and social conservatism interesting, But I don't think it's with the American conservative 293 00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:07,640 movement it stands for. I think a lot of what's called economic progressivism by 294 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:14,759 as people now say the old right capital capital r is not actually economic progressivism. 295 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:21,440 I mean opposing monopolies is actually a pretty conservative argument of how and pretty 296 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:26,000 economically conservative market. So I don't know that, and this is I think 297 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,000 one of the biggest problems with the so called new Right. I don't think 298 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:34,200 it's a disqualifying problem, although I think it is for some thinkers. But 299 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,759 I do think it's really important to look at sort of Malayism and say there's 300 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:42,960 something here. And that's what I think RFK Junior needs to be responsive to. 301 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,960 Is you know, if you do oppose the expansion of government in areas 302 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:55,599 like the surveillance state, in areas like COVID lockdown policies, or in his 303 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,079 case vaccine mandates. If you do oppose that on the principle of trusting individuals 304 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:07,000 and sort of respecting the boundaries of individual freedom, then how do those expand 305 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,000 into other areas? What is the justification for expanding those into other areas? 306 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,680 That's what I would be really curious to see him talking about. This is 307 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,960 another question from not not Jalen. What is broken about the political pipeline that 308 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:26,559 allows for permanent, useless reps. I'm increasingly inclined to a growth a left 309 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:32,440 that money is a huge problem. To that point, I'm generally favorable to 310 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,880 conversations about term limits too. You know, if you're here in DC, 311 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:42,039 it's hard because with term limits you could make the you could end up making 312 00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:49,799 the revolving door even more intense. You kind of intensify that phenomenon by you 313 00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:56,680 know, just creating a stepping stone and there's there's sort of no there's no 314 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:03,119 longevity, So you lose institutional no knowledge. And at the same time that 315 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,880 institutional knowledge comes with a whole lot of swamp baggage, especially if you're looking 316 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,200 at the Senate or if you're looking at some of those guys who've been in 317 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,039 the House over and over and over again for so many terms. And know 318 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:17,119 all the lobbyists they've got their speed dial and their rolodexes and rocking and rolling 319 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,240 when legislation comes up. Then again, that also means they know how to 320 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,200 make legislation most effective. So I would say, actually, money, just 321 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,720 even thinking about it allowed I think money and politics is probably the biggest issue 322 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:30,519 because you know, let's say, without turminits, you know, we have 323 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:36,240 the system that we have now. If you are are able to really put 324 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:42,359 limits on lobbying, if you're able to change the way that elections work, 325 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,079 and that's a really hard thing to think about, because speech and money are 326 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:55,119 you know, the connection between those two things is real and important. That 327 00:25:55,319 --> 00:26:00,559 said, it's that the uneven playing field, the pay for play, I 328 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:07,000 just increasingly see as enormously enormously problematic, even for people who are trying to 329 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:11,720 so called drain the swamp sincerely or otherwise, who want to convince voters they're 330 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:14,440 draining the swamp, and people who sincerely do want to drain the swamp. 331 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:21,160 Money is just a massive, massive obstacle to that. And I think about, 332 00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,480 you know, let's take an example from the left. Why did Bernie 333 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:30,640 Sanders. Why did he change on immigration? Why did he change on some 334 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:36,240 of these cultural issues? Why is he so staunchly progressive but not in that 335 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,200 kind of old left sense, but you know, open to the full left 336 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:47,279 position, the full cultural left position, on transgenderism, on so called equity, 337 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,880 all of these different things. Why, Well, some people might say 338 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:56,359 it's just pure socialism, but the case, the socialist case for open borders 339 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,160 isn't as clear cut as it might sound. Now, even Bernie Sanders was 340 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,279 out there calling open borders a coke proposal not that long ago. And you 341 00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:11,200 know, this is the same thing with turfs with on Title nine, issues 342 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:17,279 on sex and gender issues and transgenderism. The question of you know, whether 343 00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:22,880 that is truly supportive of what the women's movement when Bernie Sanders was an activist 344 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,440 in the sixties and seventies and eighties, what the women's movement fought for. 345 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,759 There are so many you know, died in the wool socialist, hardcore progressives 346 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:38,839 who understand that the full transgender agenda, or the left full transgender agenda, 347 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,920 is not compatible with what was fought for when things like Title nine were put 348 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,119 into our laws. So why is that it's not just because of money. 349 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:57,240 But I think it's a realization in part that you can't that is a a 350 00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:02,160 And Bernie Sanders is a huge, small dollar fundraiser, obviously kind of in 351 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,920 a similar way to Donald Trump. But if you want to raise money, 352 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,240 that is just a hard no for so many people in terms of money and 353 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:15,680 in terms of voting with a lot of those socialist aligned groups, that is 354 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:21,920 just a hard no. You cannot that they cannot be aligned with you whatsoever. 355 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:29,359 If you are if you sort of subvert the consensus, the less consensus 356 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,599 position on some of those cultural issues. And I really don't know that Bernie 357 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,160 Sanders believes what he says about immigration and about sex and gender and some of 358 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,880 these other issues. And I don't know, I don't know. Maybe he 359 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,960 has evolved in a way that I actually think Rond DeSantis has evolved sincerely ideologically, 360 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,519 And a lot of Republican politicians, whether they're sincere in other things, 361 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,480 I do think they've had some Ron Johnson's a good example, sincere evolution, 362 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,359 since twenty sixteen, since the Tea Party years and sort of understood their voters 363 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,200 better and understood the country better because we all had an opportunity to understand the 364 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,359 country better when we saw corruption actually bubble to the surface. You didn't have 365 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,759 to dig through as many layers, you know, after twenty sixteen, as 366 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:17,079 you probably did before. Rand Paul was one of those people who understood kind 367 00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:19,279 of the problems with the surveillance state. Thomas Massey understood the problems with the 368 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:23,640 surveillance state before a lot of other people did, but it became so much 369 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:32,480 clearer after twenty sixteen. So anyway, the watch Dout on Wall Street podcast 370 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,599 with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the 371 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,599 economy and how it affects your wallet. The virtue signaling has come to roosts 372 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,720 as the US reaches its highest level of illegal border crossings ever recorded. Our 373 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:48,000 leftist mayors still calling their city sanctuary cities. Now that the problem is visible, 374 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:52,480 these cities are on the brink of collapse. Whether it's happening in DC 375 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,519 or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. Be informed. Check 376 00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:59,000 out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify, 377 00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:04,279 or wherever you get your po podcast. How do this is another question from 378 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:11,200 Think Jackie how do libertarians and conservatives balance freedom versus security? On that point 379 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:12,839 I was just talking about. It's why I wanted to bring this question in 380 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:18,599 exactly. I think they did a really bad job for a really long time. 381 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,640 And you know, if you listen to this podcast, one thing I've 382 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,160 personally been thinking about a lot recently is that, you know, the conservative 383 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:33,880 movement made a lot of really bad trade offs that were arguably rational, arguably 384 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,759 rational in the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, 385 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:45,240 and onto today, although less so when you got to there was a much 386 00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:48,839 less rational calculus when you got to the Iraq War, and a lot of 387 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:55,200 good conservatives saw that coming. But up until let's say nine to eleven, 388 00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:57,759 the conservative movement made a lot of trade offs in that question of security and 389 00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:03,599 freedom. And I think it's because a the technology was advancing in ways people 390 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:08,799 didn't realize ideological adaptations had been made, so for example, creating something like 391 00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:14,519 the CIA, creating and giving so much power to the CIA, allowing j 392 00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:18,240 Edgar Hoover to treat not just leftist groups, but you know, there were 393 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,440 other groups that had been watched really hard. People's freedoms that have been abridged 394 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:29,960 really intensely by some of these giant surveillance apparatuses that evolved with the support largely 395 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:38,359 of Republicans and conservatives, because there was an extremely rational fear of infiltration by 396 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:45,440 a hostile foreign country that had access to nuclear weapons and that sort of We're 397 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,680 not even one hundred years into the history of nuclear weapons, so it would 398 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,680 be very naive of us to say that we know that, you know, 399 00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:59,559 nuclear proliferation, we know how to solve it, right, Like we had 400 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:05,480 one experience with you know, in in Japan, and that was it. 401 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,079 That was enough to dissuade anyone from kind of wading back into those waters crossing 402 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,160 that line. Again. We actually don't know that, and we we actually 403 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,359 don't have a clue about that. We have a very very small and gentle 404 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:25,359 clue of you know, nearly a century of nuclear peace after the use of 405 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,519 the deployment of nuclear weapons. But one hundred years is a blink of an 406 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,480 eye in the scope of human history. So it makes sense if you put 407 00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:38,640 yourself in the shoes of politicians up until nine to eleven, that you had 408 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:45,839 this very rational I mean, if you read Witness, you get incredible perspective. 409 00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:49,920 I was one of Ronald Reagan's favorite books. In fact, when when 410 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,759 you read that and you read you know what Stan Evans wrote, you read 411 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,720 all of these histories of the Cold War actually from the left. I mean, 412 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,640 I've been reading a lot of left Cold War history over the last year 413 00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:07,119 and time, and again, when you read it, you find out that 414 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:13,880 people who were inappropriately surveilled, or you can oppose that surveillance while also realizing 415 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,880 inappropriately surveilled foreign leaders that were inappropriately targeted. All of these things. You 416 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,799 can oppose that. Now in retrospect, you could say that was wrong at 417 00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:22,920 the time. It's wrong now. It was wrong at the time, It 418 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,079 shouldn't have been done. But you can also understand, Hey, they had 419 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:32,240 extremely real and serious connections to a hostle foreign power that in the blank of 420 00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:37,279 an eye could have deployed nuclear weapons against us. Was it in their interest? 421 00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:40,400 We can have that debate all the time, But I like this question 422 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:45,440 because I think libertarians and conservatives have done a really bad job of balancing freedom 423 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,480 and security, in part because they were blinded to the dangers of these technologies 424 00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:57,000 by a rational and new fear that came up after World War two. Let's 425 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,319 see one fact about Ryan Grimham that has surprised you the most. A lot 426 00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,359 of Ryan grim questions, which is great because Ryan has just become a really 427 00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:09,320 good friend. One fact about Ryan grim that has surprised me the most. 428 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:14,679 I don't want to say that as a surprised but one thing about Ryan, 429 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,480 I don't think it came as a surprise. It was just something that I 430 00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:22,280 learned about Ryan is that he's incredibly kind. And I think the most successful 431 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,079 people in Washington, and I mean successful in like a real substantive way, 432 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,039 and I should say half of the most successful people in Washington, you find 433 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:34,760 out that they're genuinely very kind, and the other half of successful people in 434 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,760 Washington are just, you know, cynical and in some cases outright sociopathic. 435 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,239 It's kind of one or the other. If you're really successful in media and 436 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:51,519 politics, you're either genuinely a very kind person or you're sociopathic. And Ryan 437 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,360 is really successful, and he falls in that category of just being really, 438 00:34:54,360 --> 00:35:02,480 really kind and compassionate and caring. So that's a very nice thing to learn 439 00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:09,480 about somebody. Let's see so many good questions here. If Trump's suspends his 440 00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:14,239 twenty twenty four election campaign. Who does this base vote for? Who wins? 441 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:16,760 To answer that question, I would pretty much say is Ronda Santis. 442 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,159 Here's one. What advice would you give for somebody who wants to get into 443 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:27,039 journalism and podcasting? Always start with reporting. And that's not how well, 444 00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:30,679 I guess, it's technically how I did it. I started reporting. I 445 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:35,320 did a little reporting for Campus Reform when I was in college. And you 446 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,400 know, when I joined the commentary desk at the Washington Examiner, the great 447 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:44,559 Timothy Carney was my editor, and he encouraged us to do reported commentary, 448 00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:49,199 reported commentary, so not just opining. Especially, you know, I was 449 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,000 like twenty three, not just opining, but backing that up with sources, 450 00:35:53,159 --> 00:36:00,360 backing that up with public information, documents, data, and again quote from 451 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:07,199 experts and people who are sources for you. So I think that you have 452 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,559 to have that foundation. I think people who skip that step end up hitting 453 00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:15,440 a ceiling. So I just really recommend, you know, have something useful, 454 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:21,920 which is new information, new synthesis, syntheses of information, you know, 455 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:27,159 be someone who creates really helpful charts, Be someone who creates really helpful 456 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,000 archives of information. You know, that's That's one really great way is like 457 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:37,360 you can start on Twitter. You can start really easily sharing that kinds of 458 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,239 information, and if it's useful and you're you know, tweeting it in response 459 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,800 to things that reporters are talking about and interested in, you can get their 460 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:51,000 attention. Drew Holden is at the Washington Free Beacon. He does these amazing 461 00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:53,679 He's been on the show. He does these amazing archives. He'll just like 462 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,800 dive back onto cable news records, Twitter records, especially Twitter records of journalists, 463 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:06,199 and does original reporting on their horrible coverage, on their ignorance, on 464 00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:09,960 their unhinged rants about conservative and all that stuff. That is that's constitute's original 465 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,840 reporting, and it's also extremely helpful. So I would say, you know, 466 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,880 even if you're somebody who's you know, in your thirties or forties and 467 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,800 wanting to get into all of this, especially if you're a student, find 468 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,599 a way to start with reporting, you know, report about your campus. 469 00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:30,719 You can join the National Journalism Center, where I'm the director, at jc 470 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,960 dot dot org, or you can email Radio at the Federals dot com if 471 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,440 you're interested, and they'll forward it over to me so that I can take 472 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,559 a look. But you know, start by learning the ropes of reporting, 473 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:47,320 and that's your that's the easiest pathway into reporting and podcasting. Travis asks, 474 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,480 and Travis asks that last question. Travis asks, how did you get into 475 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,639 broadcasting? My first job that I had for a little less than two years 476 00:37:54,679 --> 00:38:00,239 out of college was as the spokesperson for Your America Foundation. So that job 477 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,800 involves some Fox News and radio appearances and all of that. So when I 478 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,440 jumped over to the Washington Examiner, it was sort of natural then to go 479 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:13,880 into and do more TV stuff as a journalist. And so from there just 480 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:20,960 snowballed down the hill. Should Lloyd Austin resign? I don't think we know 481 00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:25,239 the full story of what's happened with Lloyd Austin. So far, it looks 482 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:31,239 right now like he intentionally deceived the President of the United States. But you 483 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,079 know, maybe we'll find out he intentionally deceived the President of the United States, 484 00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:38,599 his boss. And by the way, he's in the nuclear chain of 485 00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:44,559 command. There's two hot wars that were heavily involved in. So yeah, 486 00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:46,079 I mean, if you deceive the President of the United States and in those 487 00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:51,400 circumstances intentionally, probably you should resign. If you're so sick that you can't 488 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,719 do the job and you persisted at doing the job anyway, probably you should 489 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,679 resign. If your country is in the course of two wars where American lives 490 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,039 could be on the line, schair, probably you could resign. Again. 491 00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:06,639 There may be more to this story that Austin and his team was keeping the 492 00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:10,239 White House out of the loop because they had, you know, reasonable concerns. 493 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,840 And I'm not saying Lloyd Austin is always right or great at his job, 494 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,880 but he may have had reasonable concerns that the President of the United States 495 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,000 is so incity incapacitated it's actually dangerous to bring him in on decision making. 496 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,840 Again, still not appropriate you answer the commander in chief, But I am 497 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,079 curious to care more to that story. It's on asked how much fiber should 498 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:37,039 we eat today? I'm not answering that question because there are legal risks to 499 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:40,079 giving unsolicited well I guess it's solicited in this case, but to giving medical 500 00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:46,320 advice, So I should really go nowhere near that question. This is another 501 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:52,079 good one from Andrew Punch Best bar in Wisconsin. The answer that question is 502 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:57,119 really any bar in Wisconsin if you've been to Wisconsin, you know, just 503 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,119 we we have great bars. I love a good bar on a lake if 504 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,840 there's a if you're in an area that has a lot of lakes, which 505 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:08,760 is pretty much the entire state. But those those bars on lakes are wonderful. 506 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:15,719 They usually have like nice lawns between the bar and the lake that you 507 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,440 can on a nice summer day hang out on. In some cases you can 508 00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,440 cross country ski up to the bar. A lot of people snowmobile up to 509 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,360 the bar, which if you do that, you should probably just drink soda. 510 00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:35,719 I was watching a or was at a bar once and was the bartender 511 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,000 was doing a round of shots for every goal the Chicago Black black Hawks scored, 512 00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:44,880 and there were a lot of snowmobilers in this bar for what turned out 513 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:50,880 to be a very high scoring game. And there, you know, some 514 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:57,039 people made bad decisions, and I do hope eventually other people intervened and prevented 515 00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:00,639 anything dangerous from happening. But best Barisconsin, any Barron Wisconsin, it's going 516 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:06,320 to be better than a barn most other states. See what is an issue? 517 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,280 You and Ryan Graham are on the same page about another Ryan question. 518 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,639 Maybe Ryan was sending these in No. This is from Alex Kramer. We're 519 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:16,159 actually on the same page about a lot of issues. Run the same page 520 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:22,800 about, you know, the structural problems in the media, the structural ideological 521 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,559 problems in the media, and that's a really big one. I think we're 522 00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:32,400 on the same page about about lobbying when it comes to American lobbyists, domestic 523 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:38,400 lobbyists and foreign lobbyists. Those are really big ones. The problems in the 524 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:44,639 political process, you know, the machinations. We're on the page about like 525 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,599 of how populouss handle their business in Congress, whether it's the Squad or the 526 00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:52,239 Freedom Caucus. That's a pretty big one. This is a question from Brett 527 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,599 Elliott, who asked any plans to cover the recent migrant housing at James Madison 528 00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:59,199 High School. Of course, I will definitely have coverage of that up at 529 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,000 the Federalists. It looks like so far, it looks like an absolutely outrageous 530 00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:07,400 situation. It's no other way that you can put it, So yeah, 531 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,519 I would definitely take a look at the Federalist dot com for that. Let's 532 00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:14,559 go to some Twitter questions here. Tom Costa asked, there doesn't seem to 533 00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:17,320 be any Beltway consensus by party with regard to bitcoin and crypto. Just wondering 534 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,559 if you and the big B Christopher Bedford, have any insight to offer on 535 00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:24,320 what your contacts see or how you think crypto policy will adapt going forward. 536 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:30,559 This is an interesting question that again we've dedicated full episodes to and Chris should 537 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,480 not answer this question because when you ask him to delve into something that could 538 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,079 be construed as financial advice, you're getting into the same bad territory as if 539 00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:43,280 you asked me to get into a territory that could be construed as medical advice. 540 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,320 Actually, neither of us should is in any position to be giving financial 541 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:52,639 or medical advice. But I will say bitcoin as this kind of idealistic attempt 542 00:42:52,679 --> 00:43:01,159 at decentralization that also involves heavy consolidation. If you look at obviously FTX and 543 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,679 some of the ways that the industry has come to be structured and captured by 544 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,679 elite interests and captured by corrupt elite interests, you see, I think why 545 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:19,360 there's no consensus from conservatives and then even really from the left. Some people 546 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,400 on the left, although not as many, are very interested in crypto as 547 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:32,480 a I mean, in some ways there's as a way to subvert capture of 548 00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:37,840 the financial system, as a way to undercut Wall Street, although that's less 549 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,239 and less you know how this would actually pan out. But on the right, 550 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,119 you definitely see more interest in it from a sort of libertarian perspective, 551 00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:47,760 from the perspective of even just plan old conservatives, and you have seen some 552 00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:53,840 plan old conservative politicians flirt with fully embracing bitcoin. I still think that's really 553 00:43:53,920 --> 00:44:00,719 dangerous because there is no way this is just my perspective, there is no 554 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:07,760 way that bitcoin can ever exist with true decentralization. Therefore, I don't see 555 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:15,719 a manifestation of the bitcoin dream, of the crypto dream that's that avoids the 556 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,480 same types of elite capture. There's a way though that it could be less 557 00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:23,199 captured by elites and corrupt elites. There's a way that it could be more 558 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,400 resistant to corruption, and there's a way that it can still subvert government control. 559 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,280 But there's no way more than the regular financial system. But there's no 560 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,920 way that it really fully can be divorced from the system. That's just from 561 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:43,559 my perspective. There's no way that Washington and Brussels and Beijing will ever allow 562 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:47,079 this to proliferate on a global scale in a way that does not allow for 563 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:54,199 government regulation. It just there's too much power already for that to happen. 564 00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:00,400 So, you know, I think that explains that there's just nobody knows quite 565 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,480 what to make of and to make of it, and that means elites they 566 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,840 don't know. Huh. Should we embrace this and use it as a fig 567 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:14,000 leaf to manipulate people further and to make more money and to get more power, 568 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,119 or is this genuinely really dangerous and should we sort of kill it in 569 00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:20,800 the crib. So that's my perspective on why you haven't seen a lot of 570 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,239 it. This is from Raoul. Why doesn't the GOP and it's Voss realize 571 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:29,920 the main step to border security includes an influx of judges to adjudicate cases. 572 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:34,840 I think nobody really understands border. I think the left has the border. 573 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,599 I think the left has a much significantly worse understanding of what's happening at the 574 00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:44,159 border than the right does. But I think it's true that even the right 575 00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:45,840 doesn't understand. It's kind of like with the irs, like if you want 576 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:51,280 to avoid, there's an argument that if you want to avoid and if you 577 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,320 want to pull all of the taxes, if you want to make sure that 578 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,559 everyone is paying they're so called fair share, right, So if everyone is 579 00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,440 paying the same rate or the appropriate rate, not the same rate, but 580 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:06,119 the rate that we've decided, you know, through our congressional procedures, that 581 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,480 is appropriate for people in each income bracrate to pay, then you need to 582 00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:13,559 hire more people for the I R s now. I don't like that argument, 583 00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:15,880 because there's some evidence to suggest the more people you hire the IRS, 584 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,800 the harder it is for the middle class to avoid things like unfair audits that 585 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,960 end up costing you a bunch of money and create a completely unnecessary sense of 586 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,039 stress. In the case of the border, you definitely need to hire more 587 00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:35,920 border agents. But if you hire i'm sorry, more judges or you need 588 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,039 to free up more judges would be the way to put it. But if 589 00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:45,400 you do that, you're streamlining. If your policy is still to give people, 590 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:53,320 to give people asylum in a way that expands our legal understanding of asylum 591 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,880 beyond what a it is and what it be should be, I think we 592 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,400 should have some in our asylum policy, but not super broad, because if 593 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,599 you still have that broad asylum of asylum, that broad interpretation of asylum, 594 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:14,199 and if you're hiring a bunch of judges to adjudicate these these asylum cases with 595 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,440 a broad understanding of asylum, you are still incentivizing people to take these horrific 596 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:25,599 trips through the Darien Gap to bolster the basically total takeover of Central America and 597 00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:31,159 Mexico by criminal gangs, which puts everyone in more danger and creates instability, 598 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:37,920 and it allows them to smuggle extremely addictive things like fentanyl into the country more 599 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:44,639 easily. That's what happens if you just get more judges in and don't do 600 00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:49,880 anything to tighten up that definition of asylum. So that's my answer to that 601 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:57,599 question. Why are the elites so stupid? That's from Chuddy mcchud. Why 602 00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:00,679 are the elites so stupid? I think we're all so stupid. I think 603 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,639 the elites come across as more stupid because they act like they're smarter. And 604 00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,840 this is this happened at the debate last night when you had and Chris and 605 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,639 I talk about this in the second segment, if you're still with us, 606 00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,519 we talk about how Ali Vittally and some other NBC News reporters didn't know that 607 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:20,280 when Ron DeSantis was saying pale pastels, he was referencing Reagan, and so 608 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,280 instead they very confidently suggested Ron DeSantis was being sexist to Nikki Haley at the 609 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:29,199 debate by using this line that's in his stump speech. So they the people 610 00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:34,519 that think we all need disinformation police to guard us, they came out and 611 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,599 spread this like weird disinformation that Ron DeSantis was being sexist because they didn't know 612 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:44,440 a line that if you have any familiarity with the American Right, you've heard 613 00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:49,719 at Sea Pack, you've heard at conservative gatherings, Lincoln Dinner, whatever it 614 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,280 is. If you have been around Republicans as a reporter at the top of 615 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,320 your field because you work for NBC News, you should know that that is 616 00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,920 a Reagan quote. But of course they seem to have no idea that it's 617 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:04,039 Ring quote. So it's normal for a lot of us to, you know, 618 00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:07,760 maybe not be super familiar with history from the eighties, because you know, 619 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,840 we just we forget politics very quickly. We don't read as many books. 620 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,320 And you would surely pick this up from books if you read about the 621 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:20,400 American Right and you were interested in politics. But for a political reporter who 622 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,920 is covering a Republican primary to just come out confidently and suggest that Rond Destantius 623 00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:30,679 was being sexist. That's different if you also don't know the basic history. 624 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,679 It is your job to cover American politics. You should know the basic history. 625 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,239 So I think they were all dumb, But you come across as extra 626 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:43,039 dumb if you're an elite, because you act like you are smarter than everybody, 627 00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:45,679 and it should have more power over everybody because you're smarter than everybody. 628 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:53,960 One more question here from Halalflow, who does an amazing job clipping some of 629 00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:00,440 the best segments from Breaking Points from Counterpoints, and we just appreciate hall Aalflow 630 00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:07,280 on our team at Breaking Points appreciates halal flow and all of hallalflow support. 631 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,519 Halfalo asked from the left basically, how would you describe the coverage of the 632 00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:15,199 Federalist about Gaza Palestine, Israel? And how does the paper get different views 633 00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:19,239 across on this and what does the right think about conditions or stopping military funding 634 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,119 and aid towards Israel. I had to answer one Israel question because I do 635 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:29,719 think that especially somebody who does a show with Ryan and I got a lot 636 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,039 of questions about Ryan again that this might this question might get at some of 637 00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:37,920 those questions I didn't get to answer. I do a show with Ryan, 638 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,159 part of the Breaking Points team, so that's Crystal Ball, Ryan Graham, 639 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,519 Sager and Me and Krystal and Sager host most days. Ryan and I host 640 00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:52,639 on Wednesdays. I've gotten here a lot of arguments that even conservatives who are 641 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:59,800 intellectually curious and intellectually honest and read everything from both sides. I just feel 642 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,079 really lucky to have the job that I do at Breaking Points because you know, 643 00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:07,239 even as someone who seeks out all of the constantly seeks out sort of 644 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:16,400 obsessively seeks out disagreements and dissenting information, you still just end up encountering so 645 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,679 many different manifestations of these arguments when you have to have them publicly and when 646 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,119 you have to plan a show. So I you know, through through the 647 00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:30,559 course of you know, the last few years doing a show like this, 648 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:37,800 yeah, you do, you know, get extra acquainted with the argument of 649 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:42,920 the left, and that definitely on every issue, whether it's drugs, whether 650 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,000 it's immigration, whether it's gun control, that definitely gives you more perspective and 651 00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:51,360 sometimes it makes you more conservative, sometimes it makes you more conservative in different 652 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,679 ways, and sometimes it makes you rethink a conservative position. So when it 653 00:51:54,719 --> 00:52:00,920 comes to Israel, it's just from that vantage point. Been very interesting to 654 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,159 watch the last few years play out, from the Trump administration through October seventh 655 00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:08,679 and through now January eleventh. Yeah, I mean it's been extremely interesting. 656 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,159 Glenn Greenwald, who a lot of people on the right agreed with in the 657 00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:19,840 last couple of years and have gone to the lengths of calling him anti Semitic, 658 00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:23,239 have gone to the lengths of calling him all kinds of names. In 659 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:28,079 the last couple of months, he wrote a thoughtful piece that a lot of 660 00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:30,639 people on the right will still disagree with and that I know I would still 661 00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:34,760 disagree with. But he wrote a really thoughtful piece about Sager's interview with Tucker 662 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:40,519 Carlson and the split between Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro that's emerged and again bubbled 663 00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:45,400 to the service of the conservative discourse in the last couple of months. We 664 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,639 talked about this a little on counter points. I actually really like both Tucker 665 00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:53,639 Carlson and Ben Shapiro. I think on this exact issue they both have interesting 666 00:52:53,679 --> 00:53:00,639 points about about the typical or the traditional conservative opinion on this issue. You 667 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:07,199 know, it's to go back to Hallatho's question, how do you describe the 668 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,920 coverage of the Federalists about Gaza and palestin Israel? And how does the paper 669 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:15,840 get different views across on this One of the reasons I went to work for 670 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,960 the Federalist is that we get different views across on every issue. I tell 671 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,519 the story a lot about Roy Moore and when every Beltway reporter was begging the 672 00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:30,679 people of Alabama to explain to them why fifty percent of people, roughly we're 673 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,840 still planning to vote for Roy Moore after all of the sexual misconduct allegations, 674 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,719 and the answer was super obvious. On the right, it was abortion. 675 00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:44,239 Doug Jones was pro abortion, and that was a huge problem. People said, 676 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,920 I don't care if it's Roy Moore, you know's it would be a 677 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,039 moral for me not to vote or to vote for drug Jones. And there 678 00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:53,800 was a fairly rational argument behind it, even if you disagreed with it. 679 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,159 The Federalist ran a piece from an Alabama voter saying here's why I'm voting for 680 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,519 Roy Moore and sort of laying out that argue, and even though the media 681 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:04,760 had been asking for someone to answer this question forever, they've tried to cancel 682 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,880 the Federalist for giving them an answer, for elevating the voice of, you 683 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,639 know, an average person with whom they disagreed, which again was sort of 684 00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,920 exactly what everyone said they needed to do better after Donald Trump was elected. 685 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,199 So I really like the Federalists on that, and I think that's allowed us 686 00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:24,559 to approach the Israel issue. I sort of pro I would describe our coverage 687 00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:31,559 as pro Israel, but Pentagon skeptical, and you know, there are I 688 00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:37,840 think we've published things. I disagree with a lot of the takes on free 689 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,079 speech when it comes to Israel, even with some of my own colleagues who 690 00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:45,320 are brilliant, and I'm younger than them and certainly less experience than them. 691 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,320 So I say this with great humility that I do disagree on some of the 692 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,280 questions about speech and what you know, sort of broad definitions of anti Semitism, 693 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,960 or as I see them, overly broad definitions of anti Semitism. But 694 00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:01,159 I think because the Federalist has years of that sort of muscle memory, and 695 00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:05,840 frankly doesn't get enough credit. You know, some people will associate us with 696 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,559 just the new right, or David Harsani will write a column that's super anti 697 00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:12,679 New Right, and we just get put into one category or the other, 698 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,800 because that's how Twitter sort of gamifies our brains. But in fact, we 699 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,320 really do have this, and our readers know this, and listeners to this 700 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,639 podcast know this. We have years of that sort of reflex of asking tough 701 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:30,239 questions and publishing pieces from this wide spectrum of thought on the right. And 702 00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:35,400 I mean wide spectrum. You can basically go to the Federalist and find on 703 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,599 a lot of the major issues, you're not going to find, in many 704 00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:42,480 cases a left perspective because that's not what we do. We don't exist to 705 00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:46,079 make the same arguments as the corporate media, which often makes left arguments, 706 00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:52,280 maybe not populist left arguments, but sort of centrist democrat arguments. That's not 707 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,039 what we exist to do. So we just had that muscle memory, and 708 00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:59,000 that's one of the things that I think benefits our coverage. We are pulling 709 00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:05,800 on and existing stable of interesting writers. So you know, maybe I have 710 00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:10,159 some disagreement with some of the stuff that we've published, and you know, 711 00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:14,960 I certainly have disagreement, even with some of the people on the right, 712 00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:16,719 like Tucker that are super Israel skeptic. I find myself, you know, 713 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:22,400 in a strange middle zone between the Tuckers and the benz Again, both of 714 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,320 them I think are very good people. That's you know, I think that's 715 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,639 a healthy thing. And yeah, that's I would say. I would describe 716 00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:35,000 our coverage as pro Israel, but pentagon skeptic, which is an interesting place 717 00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:38,039 to be. And Laflo also asked, does the right thing about conditions or 718 00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:45,880 stopping military funding and aid towards Israel. That's a good question. Glenn's peace 719 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,719 kind of addresses the history of this from Reagan to George H. W. 720 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,639 Bush and specifically when it comes to net and Yahoo. I think when you're 721 00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:58,159 talking about conditions and all of that, a lot of it happens at the 722 00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:02,920 presidential level and sort of presidential cabinet level and would be happening behind the scenes. 723 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,119 And I actually think probably behind the scenes if this was a Republican administration, 724 00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:08,920 there would be all kinds of different conversations happening, all kinds of sort 725 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:15,199 of tug of war, even if publicly that posture wasn't there. So I 726 00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:20,159 don't know. I would commend Glenn's peace to people who've been thinking about this, 727 00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:23,119 because while it definitely comes from a staunch leftist and super critical perspective on 728 00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:28,199 the right, he does walk through some of the history and the evolution of 729 00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:30,679 how we've talked about this issue in a way that I think, you know, 730 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:36,760 even considering this from a perspective of a conservative was fairly helpful. All 731 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:44,079 right, now, I am going to pivot here and bring part two of 732 00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:49,519 the episode into the conversation. It's about twenty minutes with Chris Bedford, who's 733 00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:54,239 acually been writing about Nicole Hannah Jones of the author of the sixteen nineteen Project, 734 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:59,639 the lead journalist on the sixteen nineteenth Project, the Pulitzer winning sixteen nineteen 735 00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:02,679 Project that has been installed in dozens of school systems around the country, a 736 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,519 very very powerful project, and we've been talking about that for a couple of 737 00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:12,000 years in the country and here in the podcast. But Chris did some sort 738 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,679 of fresh writing on it that brings in some interesting points from Nicole Hanna Jones' 739 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:22,840 history that is worthwhile, I think to reconsider as she herself is weighing back 740 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:29,039 in on the issue so without further ado, here's part two of today's Federalist 741 00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:31,199 Radio Hour. Thank you so much for all of your questions. I appreciate 742 00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:36,519 them immensely. Appreciate you all listening so so very much. Please like and 743 00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:42,480 subscribe the podcast. Leave a review. It does so much help if you 744 00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:46,639 leave a review. I always forget to mention that just humbled constantly that people 745 00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:50,519 listen. But if you leave a review, it's really really helpful for us. 746 00:58:50,519 --> 00:58:52,159 And remember you can always reach us at radio at the Federalist dot com. 747 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,360 So now I mean it, without further ado, here's Christopher Bedford, 748 00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:02,920 executive editor over the Common Sense Society. Chris, Welcome back to the new 749 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,079 year. Happy New Year, Happy new Year to you as well. New 750 00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:12,920 year knew me. You might not have noticed it because we're remote right now, 751 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:19,679 but I am now a wellness influencer. When did that happen? January 752 00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:27,840 second? January second, I'm health health wellness. I did my first dry 753 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:35,840 January, taking a break from day and tomorrow. But you know, it 754 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,199 is the longest period of time and twenty years have gone without having a drink. 755 00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:45,599 We don't need to get into this because you just don't know. I 756 00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:47,639 think it's normal to have a loss of wine with dinner, at least a 757 00:59:47,519 --> 00:59:50,880 a loss of wine with dinner. Actually, you know that's what That's one 758 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,039 thing that thinks for me, having a drink is much more about like a 759 00:59:55,119 --> 01:00:00,599 custom and kind of have it. And like I made I made cachery peppy 760 01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:07,000 to the night, which is Italian for cheese and pepper. It's pretty simple 761 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:12,159 but delicious dish. And uh to drink that with like a cranber or soda, 762 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,719 a glass of water, I'll get it like it was good food. 763 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,920 But I was sitting there going, man, I don't know how people do 764 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,559 this, Like what you get like a diet coke with your catchery peppy. 765 01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:27,960 It needs I mean it didn't need. I got survived, but it is. 766 01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:30,320 It's well paired with a glass of red wine. And that's why I've 767 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:37,480 never actually done dry January before this month. It's because it's just I see, 768 01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:39,320 like damp dan January. That makes sense, like maybe like cut some 769 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,440 weight, do some exercise, like don't drink like you did around Christmas in 770 01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:47,719 New Year's Damn January is the most irish thing I've ever heard. Everything's damp 771 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:53,079 in Ireland. But uh, but you know, it's do you know how 772 01:00:53,119 --> 01:01:01,079 many how many pounds? I've lost zero ounces, zero ounces, not a 773 01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:05,800 single one. But you know, New Year knew me, and uh, 774 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,199 this is going to be a journey and I'm going to I'll keep you updated 775 01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:10,559 throughout. Yeah, a health journey is a marathon. It's not a sprint 776 01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:15,880 exactly. And you know I'm taking it seriously, not today, not today. 777 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:21,679 You've been also, well, oh, it's because you're taking an amtrack. 778 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,320 You won't get on an amtrack without having a beer. Yeah, I 779 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,400 remember by that time I bumped into you on an amtrack at like ten thirty 780 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,519 in the morning or eleven thirty in the morning, and I got you a 781 01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:31,840 beer. You're being such a whimp about it. You're like, I can't 782 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,920 have a beer. I have to go on Red Eye in ten hours or 783 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,159 something like that. It was Kennedy. Yeah, which is it's actually fine, 784 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:44,840 just totally fine. Anyway, all right, all of that aside. 785 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,880 The world is on fire, Chris. So I'm glad that we have put 786 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:54,599 your health issues first and foremant I don't have health issues. I'm a willness 787 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:59,960 influencer. Well, that means you're gonna have to start posting things on Instagram, 788 01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:06,400 but that aside shots from the gym. You have been following this story 789 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,639 about Nicole Hannah Jones, who I always I mix up if it's Hannah Nicole 790 01:02:09,719 --> 01:02:14,679 Jones or Nicole Hannah Jones. It's like because Hannah Nicole Jones is a name 791 01:02:14,719 --> 01:02:19,639 that flows well, but it's not her name she has And I remember, 792 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,039 you know, during the during twenty twenty and actually twenty nineteen, even when 793 01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:30,559 people started kind of piecing together the puzzle that is the mosaic life of uh 794 01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:32,840 Nicole Hannah Jones or did I just get it wrong, Hannah Nicole Jones. 795 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,960 It's Nicole Hannah Jones. Just you can just call her Nikki Nicole Hannah Jones. 796 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:47,000 Man, is she just your like typical dorm room freshman who stumbled into 797 01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:53,360 this like hugely powerful position at the New York Times. One appealser, just 798 01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:58,920 an emmy, now an emmy. That's the hook for talking about this. 799 01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:06,519 And I will say she also over the last weekend re upped a Federalist piece 800 01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:12,639 from years ago that our colleague Jordan Boyd wrote, uh, and Nicole Hannah 801 01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:17,880 Jones referred to this as opposition research, It was actually just a piece on 802 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,920 like kind of piecing together some of these puzzles from what she had written in 803 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,000 college, what she had written. She has written some crazy, crazy stuff. 804 01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,559 Yeah, Jordan wrote about some of what she calls the white white people 805 01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:34,280 bloodsucking, bloodsuckers and all these different things like that. Seriously, I think 806 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,880 I saw that piece. It was a she was responding to an article when 807 01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:44,480 she was a sophomore in college or an op ed that was pretty hard on 808 01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:47,559 the American Indians, you know, like we have this uh you love these 809 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:51,719 references. We have this idea in America like the noble savage, like the 810 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,360 fern belly Indians like very peaceful until like the white man came and taught them 811 01:03:54,360 --> 01:04:00,079 scalping. She's completely insane. But uh, some written in an op ed 812 01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:03,679 I haven't read. And her response that Jordan I think wrote about was just 813 01:04:04,519 --> 01:04:12,760 unhinged, calling the white people savages and devils and it was like fair bloodsuckers. 814 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,639 Yeah, it's like fair con It's pretty unhinged. It's almost like she's 815 01:04:17,679 --> 01:04:21,840 really obsessed with race, I think. But one thing that was interesting. 816 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,960 A friend shot me this and I ended up writing it up. And we'll 817 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:29,679 see if it gets published, but there's she was still the year that she 818 01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:34,239 wrote the twenty sixteen nineteen projects. By the way, the entire central thesis 819 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,199 of that has been pulled by The New York Times. The opening thing was 820 01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:43,440 that the true founding of America was slavery, and the American Revolution was fought 821 01:04:43,719 --> 01:04:46,280 for slavery. Both of those lines have been pulled by The New York Times 822 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,920 after a few years ago backlash from serious historians that are far from conservative. 823 01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,480 In fact, some of them are open socialists. I mean, this was 824 01:04:55,559 --> 01:05:00,119 just absolutely panned. Yeah, even the historians were like those historians who would 825 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,440 generally give her some of the benefit of the doubt were like, well, 826 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:08,440 I mean, the American Revolution was extremely disruptive to the slafe trade. It 827 01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:14,039 didn't increase slavery. But the same year, just a few months before she 828 01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:18,119 became a celebrity for doing this project, she was still tweeting about this theory 829 01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:24,559 this book called they Came Before Columbus, and the general theory of this book 830 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:32,840 is that the Great Ancient civilizations and Renaissance air civilizations of Central and South America 831 01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:43,079 were heavily influenced by trade and even worship of African kings, which is a 832 01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:48,400 very stupid theory. The idea was that for thousands of years and up to 833 01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:56,480 the beginning of the Aztec Empire, African civilizations these like great, sprawling, 834 01:05:56,719 --> 01:06:01,760 triumphant African civilizations, of which not like a relic or a stone or a 835 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,199 coin or a building is left over. Like we just have to imagine them 836 01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:09,599 in our heads, you know, just close your eyes. We're sailing these 837 01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:15,760 giant fleets over to South America and Central America where they were teaching the Omecs. 838 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,440 This was a theory at the time this book was written in the seventies. 839 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,239 The Omes turned out to be like ten thousand BCS, so they probably 840 01:06:21,239 --> 01:06:26,440 weren't doing that teaching the Omes and then later on teaching the Aztecs, so 841 01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:31,480 that eleven thousand years later, teaching the Aztecs about architecture, about casting bronze, 842 01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:35,880 that the Aztec god, one of the Aztec gods, might actually be 843 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,039 based on these interactions with these Africans. They taught them how to build the 844 01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:45,000 pyramids. No, forget about the fact that there's like, aside from that 845 01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:49,320 there a pyramid. There's not really a lot of comparisons between the Egyptian pyramids 846 01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:56,519 which were flat surface tombs, and the Aztec peiers pyramids which were temples, 847 01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:00,559 and the older ones. This whole theory was like and it was panned at 848 01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:04,559 the time. The New York Times panned this book. They called it ridiculous 849 01:07:04,639 --> 01:07:14,000 pseudo archaeology, called it this afrocentrism that like, actually guys Africa founded the 850 01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:16,000 world, and some of the things that they also based on, where the 851 01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:23,840 os there's this famous art from the Omas which is shockingly old civilization we've since 852 01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:29,199 learned, where they have flat noses and big lips and like that was cited 853 01:07:29,239 --> 01:07:34,480 as evidence that these were carved by Africans. And so this woman who's supposed 854 01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:40,519 to be is a Pulitzer Award winning, Emmy Award winning historian who the polits 855 01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:44,960 are center even much more dangerously than like adults reading this stupid stuff. The 856 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,519 Poetry Center has turned this in her sixty nineteen project into curriculum and sent it 857 01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:55,679 to thousands and thousands and thousands of classrooms to teach children that America is founded 858 01:07:55,719 --> 01:08:01,880 as a slave state. It's the purpose of America by a sophist who is 859 01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:09,719 criticized by his actual historians, and who thinks that African Kings founded the Aztecs. 860 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,400 I mean, it's just it shows you that this is a theory that 861 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,239 she had in college. Is the theory she shared in an article in The 862 01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:20,439 Oregonian in twenty ten. But usually people kind of dispense with their dumb theories 863 01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:24,399 with the time they set out about their life's work. The fact that she 864 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,399 was a black situation here with you, but sure with me, I got 865 01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:32,119 you'd be shocked at how many dumb theories I have dispensed with and stops talking 866 01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:35,439 about. No. Yeah, you've actually known me for a decade, so 867 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,640 you know that there are some things I'm just like quietly left, like I'm 868 01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:43,760 not still sharing those dumb ideas. I'm not going back and like I'm sorry, 869 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,840 I'm not looking for I'm sorry I was so stupid. But she was 870 01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,520 still sharing them. I mean, she still believes them as recently as twenty 871 01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,000 nineteen. And Okay, I was going to say twenty nineteen, that's what 872 01:08:54,039 --> 01:08:57,159 you found here, So it's not it's sort of the dorm room stuff she 873 01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:00,760 brought with her into her career at the New York Times and the New York 874 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,000 Times, you know, never really sniffed this out until they had to do 875 01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:09,880 a correction. In fact, they may have liked it about her that she 876 01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:17,000 sort of was espousing radical or what they probably see is like radical adjacent ideas 877 01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:23,119 that empowerment erupt. Yeah, that's the thing is it's not really empowering to 878 01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,600 I mean, it can be, I guess, to make up myths about 879 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:30,239 your people. Most civilizations do. But this one is just so silly and 880 01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:33,199 it's funny. There's a lot of like liberal scholars who are very offended by 881 01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:38,880 it because the idea that that South and Central American empires couldn't actually achieve anything 882 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:43,520 on their own they found offensive. Well, yes, it's being used to 883 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,680 justify racism, and I think that's the important point here, and that it 884 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:56,199 is outright open Like the entire concept of equity of DEI, as our listeners 885 01:09:56,239 --> 01:10:01,840 know very well, is predicated on racial discrimination, race hate, and yeah, 886 01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:08,760 and that's the center. This is sophistry in the service of racial discrimination. 887 01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:13,000 So in that extremely racist op ed that that Jordan wrote about where she 888 01:10:13,039 --> 01:10:18,960 called white people blood sucking devils and savages, oh research, there's this one 889 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:23,359 line that most of the places hadn't really focused on. I think people who 890 01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:25,520 were writing about it. Didn't really know what she was talking about. She's 891 01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:29,840 like, and by the way, our ancestors were sailing the coastal lands of 892 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,800 South America long before Christopher Columbus and his savage rapists came. And it's like, 893 01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,680 and this is like a throwaway line of people like, Okay, they 894 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,560 weren't ever paying attention to the more offensive stuff. But it turns out it 895 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:44,960 ties back to this theory that in that twenty Nineteentheen tweet she called formative for 896 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,039 her, like it was a second book she listed on like but people should 897 01:10:47,039 --> 01:10:50,640 read for Black History Month, and she wrote about it in a school newspaper 898 01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:54,399 and she was in college and she wrote about it for The Oregon and over 899 01:10:54,439 --> 01:11:00,840 a decade later, these are formative things for her is pseudo archeology, pseudoscience, 900 01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:08,239 dream lands, and then it backs up her racism. Right, So 901 01:11:08,279 --> 01:11:11,600 I want to connect this actually to something that happened. This is going to 902 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:17,560 seem like a real serious pivot here at the CNN debate last night between did 903 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,760 you watch that? I did watch it. I watched it. You are 904 01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:27,960 a masochist, I know, but I will say there was this moment that 905 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:32,000 it was worth watching for and you will especially appreciate this. So Ron DeSantis 906 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:38,239 in his stump speech talks about getting rid of the sort of pale pastels of 907 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,920 and he's talking about like the establishment Republican Party, So this is something he 908 01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:46,399 talks about a lot. And he used the line repeatedly when he was reciting 909 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:51,600 scripted sort of lines that you toss out in a debate in your introduction and 910 01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:56,000 then whenever it fits, you know, to Rebut in the middle of the 911 01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:04,119 debate, Nikki Haley and Ali Vitally NBC News sent a tweet saying a color 912 01:12:04,199 --> 01:12:09,279 scheme quote, pale pastel or otherwise, is not the way you attack a 913 01:12:09,319 --> 01:12:14,119 presidential candidate. None of the men who've been on these debate stages have had 914 01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:19,119 their clothes used to criticize their policies. Because she wasn't familiar with the Reagan 915 01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:24,840 quote, it gets worse, so she thought that was so clever. I 916 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:29,880 went and checked the live blog that all the NBC News reporters were responsible for 917 01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:33,840 updating throughout the night. Ali Vittally published that on the live blog, so 918 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:38,039 she like actually ran with it at a certain beyond the tweet. It wasn't 919 01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:41,319 just sometimes you have live blogs that just published the tweets of your commentation. 920 01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:45,279 Oh no, it's she. So at a certain point, the pale pastel's 921 01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:49,359 commentary could start to ring a little sexist. Notice what she does there could 922 01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:53,880 start to ring a little sexist. None of the male candidates are being taken 923 01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:58,760 a task for their bright red ties, somehow being akin to their policy stances. 924 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,720 And then was Nicky Haley wearing a pale pasto? She actually was, 925 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,880 But it doesn't matter. Run Desanta's uses this line all the time, because 926 01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:12,720 all Republicans use this line all the time. Alec Hernandez from NBC News jumps 927 01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,239 in and says DeSantis's pale pastel's reference is a line pulled from his stump speech. 928 01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:20,119 He often says that Republicans need to lead with core convictions and governed with 929 01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:24,560 bold colors. About pale pastels. That said, saying it out of context 930 01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:30,439 here standing next to Haley does come off differently. So he says this is 931 01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:34,560 a DeSantis like He seems to have zero idea that neither of them Ali vittally 932 01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:40,159 alec Hernandez seems to have zero idea that this is not just from DeSantis's stump 933 01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:45,119 speech, and it's not about Nicki Haley's clothes. It's an extremely common Reagan 934 01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:48,439 quote and Chris, believe it or not, it gets worse, It gets 935 01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:55,119 worse. Scott Bertram from Hillsdale pointed out that it ended up in the copy 936 01:13:55,239 --> 01:14:00,720 of NBC News's story on the debate by Alex sites Wold. They say Desantus 937 01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,640 accused Haley being inspired, being inspired by Hailey Clinton, which is true, 938 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:09,720 and painting metaphorically with pale pastels and eyebrow raising word choice to attack the first 939 01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:14,399 female governor of South Carolina, especially since she was wearing a pastel top. 940 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:21,199 DeSantis use the phrase multiple times. It boggles the mind. It boggles the 941 01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:26,199 mind. And these are the people like Nicole Hannah Jones at the very top 942 01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:30,279 of their profession. I get that Ali Vittali is only I think someone tweeted 943 01:14:30,319 --> 01:14:31,960 me. She's apparently like thirty three years old. I get that if you 944 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:39,560 are covering a Republican primary and you are so arrogant as to accuse Ron DeSantis 945 01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:45,439 of being sexist for using a Reagan line over and over and over again, 946 01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:48,079 and you don't even know it's a Reagan line, and you're also one of 947 01:14:48,119 --> 01:14:51,079 the people that thinks you need to protect all of the rest of America from 948 01:14:51,159 --> 01:14:56,880 quote disinformation. You're an idiot, and your editors should not let you tweet 949 01:14:57,039 --> 01:15:00,199 or live blog. But your editors probably need to be replaced because they published 950 01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:04,800 the alex Sites world piece. So three reporters didn't happen. There's many levels 951 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,239 there, There's many levels. The CNN's not one of those companies that just 952 01:15:09,359 --> 01:15:12,319 generally just published right to do it. They actually have multiple level of Jews, 953 01:15:13,039 --> 01:15:15,520 right NBC, multiple levels levels of editors that should have existed to be 954 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,359 able to catch that sort of thing. You know. One of the things 955 01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:24,920 I banned when I was at the collar from copy is the term unprecedented because 956 01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:28,199 it was used basically in every report about Donald Trump, and it's like, 957 01:15:28,279 --> 01:15:36,159 actually, basically everything is precedented. Vanity of vanities, as the Old Testament 958 01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:44,920 says, they don't just like the I think one of the reasons why the 959 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:49,399 American voter more and more has seemed to exist within what's happened that month and 960 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:55,079 not really thinking much more like the new cycle moves so quickly. People like 961 01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:58,000 Joe Biden is also he's screwed up awfully, He's done this. But the 962 01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,399 election six months later. No one remembers was going on six months before. 963 01:16:01,359 --> 01:16:04,359 It's because I think a lot of our news reporters, with their Twitter brains, 964 01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:09,439 don't they exist in the immediate present. They don't have any concept of 965 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:15,359 history. They're jackals and fake experts. They can read a Wikipedia thing, 966 01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,479 but they actually don't know what they're talking about on almost any subject. And 967 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,359 yeah, I'm guilty of this. A lot of a lot of journal we 968 01:16:23,359 --> 01:16:25,319 have to write it, we have to cover broad swaths. Of course, 969 01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:29,560 you're going to lose some expertise. But the amount of these people who really 970 01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,840 do believe that they are subject matters experts, political experts who don't know about 971 01:16:34,399 --> 01:16:40,960 famous presidents and famous quotes and history of this come before, it's really embarrassing, 972 01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:45,880 and that they're very confident in that. Like the being dumb is fine, 973 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,079 but being arrogant and dumb at the same time is extremely annoying. And 974 01:16:48,119 --> 01:16:51,960 you see that and at CNN probably the same thing is true for NBC. 975 01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:58,279 I'm not sure. Like my wife used to work there, still gets phone 976 01:16:58,319 --> 01:17:01,920 calls from like well meaning friends CNN who because she's the only person that they 977 01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:08,079 know who has conservative thoughts. Yep, and they she's like the conservative whisper. 978 01:17:08,079 --> 01:17:11,359 They it's like to them, it's like Jane Goodall looking at the apes. 979 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,520 They do not remotely understand it. They're like, well, why would 980 01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,119 why would Republicans be upset about this? And she has to explain it to 981 01:17:19,119 --> 01:17:23,520 them, and they're just it's like they're not reaching out to yell at her, 982 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,479 they're not reaching out to argue with her, or they're not reaching out 983 01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:29,479 to criticize her. They genuinely don't know. It's like when I ask someone 984 01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,880 to translate something in French for me, it's just I have no clue. 985 01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:36,479 I do not understand it. And I think that's the case that they're so 986 01:17:38,079 --> 01:17:43,239 isolated. There's so much into the bubble. They Before twenty sixteen, people 987 01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,479 people, even when Republicans and Democrats in DC still used to kind of interact 988 01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:51,239 a lot more often, these people still weren't interacting outside of their bubble even 989 01:17:51,279 --> 01:17:56,399 before then. So now they're their entire lives in it. And it's not 990 01:17:56,439 --> 01:18:00,960 surprising how ignorant they are of it. And it's it's kind of funny when 991 01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:03,079 they showed it when it's on display, though, Yeah, I mean it's 992 01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:06,880 the same if you can make the right accusations of racism and sexism, and 993 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:11,199 you have the same attitude towards the American people that they should be shielded from 994 01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:15,760 disinformation. It doesn't matter how mediocre you are, what your knowledge of history 995 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,079 is, what your level of humility is, none of that matters. You 996 01:18:18,319 --> 01:18:23,880 are vaulted straight to the top of your profession. And it's truly a sad 997 01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,439 state of affairs. Christopher Bedford, I know you got to run. I 998 01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,760 do. Actually, thanks for catching that. Hey, Mark and Molly are 999 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:35,600 here now, so basically everyone except for you and John Daniel Davidson in Alaska. 1000 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:40,920 Yeah, he's well, don't docs the man. It's a small state. 1001 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:45,560 Everyone knows each other. Yeah, right well, Christopher Bedford, Executive 1002 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,640 editor, over the comment since Society, thanks so much for stopping by. 1003 01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,119 Federalist Right, glad to be here. 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