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And it hits me, Oh my
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aliens at all. It was completely
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over to my father and held his
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and said, we're not alone.
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He's going to be covering some topics that

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we haven't actually talked before. Should
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Well, Alejandro, I hope you
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have a good Christmas. I do
celebrate it, and I think, well,

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last time on your show, I
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kind of a legend, and that
people can go listen. That's a

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plug to go listen to your last
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yeah, it was pretty good,
relaxed, no major drama, which of

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course families are prone to, ye, but it's nice not to have it.

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So yeah, go to Did you
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to stay in? I stayed here. I'm gonna I am gonna go to

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Colorado weekend after next and to kind
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Colorado family. Just kind of a
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good. How about you? Great? It was. I was had a

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resort and you know, kind of
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relaxing. Wow, you're a high
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mean you go to resorts for Christmas. You explain this huge at state that

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you live on with a couple of
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only knew, Alejandro. Yeah,
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you know, you get all the
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time to be in Maine. That's
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Christmas? Jason, your last guests, Yeah, they usually go to Vegas

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for Christmas. Well, that would
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would be fun. My girlfriend and
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personally. Yeah, I like to
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be a blast, actually be living
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Las Vegas. Oh okay, hey, and yeah, she's uh, that

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would be really fun to do something
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have to crash in for Christmas.
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So what's going on for news this
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I haven't even been in the office
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of the headlines, and of course
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dot tv, so if you go
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right on the front page. That's
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some new ones tomorrow. But some
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One of these being that supposedly,
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about a Columbus, Ohio siding,
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posted on open dot tv from November
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in the area of Columbus, Ohio
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of the other triangular craft sightings because
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pickers the name of the site.
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towards mobile devices. But yeah,
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talked about how these triangular UFO signings
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so many And of course if you
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minds dot tv, you'll see quite
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which you and I have spoken about
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there's just so many of them,
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silent. I think I've only heard
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about like any type of noise,
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a mystery. Often Now, there
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and I've even passed on posting them
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I started trainingular craft, there was
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can hear an aircraft in the video, and it could be I don't know

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that these people aren't necessarily hoaxing,
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lanterns, and of course a lot
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Kval actually a news website. They
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hazard effective January one, and they
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the first. Other states have done
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they banned them because they were a
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down and land on cattle and then
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kind of a little candle or a
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them are pretty safe in that there's
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it that lights and it doesn't last
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these things dropped to the ground.
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so their UFO sightings will probably go
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there's a lot of you know,
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cause fires. It's probably rare,
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there have been some that use like
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of course those candles can fall and
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more dangerous versions of the Chinese lanterns
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saying what kind you can have or
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just banned them across the board.
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ask me, But I know they
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I've seen them, but it sure
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an alternative, and this has happened
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used to do that. But an
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these tiny little led lights battery powered
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right, so you can ride a
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balloon that floats with these little LEDs. People have tied these together before and

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launched them in order to hoax UFOs, but you could do that for fun

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as well. And you know,
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I think this summer that my girlfriend's
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and those lasted a long time.
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town and I made I took them
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in the bedroom in a row so
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go to the bathroom, I had
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me where to go so I wouldn't
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I had a It's stub toe free
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they look really strange, so I
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another problem. Yeah, and you
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can be multiple colors. And you
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Well? Is that it for for
tonight. That's it. It's all I

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got, buddy. All right,
Well we'll be talking to you next year.

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yeah, okay, all right,
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you too, Happy New Year.
And you know, I hope you

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make some resolutions that that I can
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that would be good. All right. We just don't make any that's the

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easiest way. Yeah, that probably
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everyone, uh, hanging there for
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right back with Ray Stanford. Ray, how are you welcome back to the

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show. Oh? Hi, yeah, I'm fine. I always always love

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speaking you, Ray. We actually
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quite a bit, you know,
off the show. You're also a supporter

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of my show. I appreciate that
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every show live, which people in
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The only issue is my phone call
in so has not been actually working

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too well. But it is always
great to hear from you. Well,

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it's always a place. Yeah,
I noticed there's been some problems lately,

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but I hope you get that fixed
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I update all the equipment everything I
have, and it I just some

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things that there are just no answers
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find anyway. But so, Ray, you have been doing all kinds of

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things. You're still You've been looking
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little bit about that. You have
been on a number of times, speaking

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of course about the Socorro case.
The wonderful book you wrote is the best

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book out there on that incident,
and that happened back in nineteen sixty four,

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and you were there, you have
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a question in the forum. Has
it been since the nineteen fifties or wasn't

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it the sixties when you first started
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forty seven, which was when I
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got involved in investigating cases and trying
to see and ultimately photograph UFOs. In

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nineteen fifty three and I started an
organization in Corpus Christie, Texas, which

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back in those days they were called
flying Saucers, and we were high school

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kids, and we called it corpce
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it began. Then. So I've
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and of course I became aware fairly
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meaningful in this you needed to have
more than reports. You needed to get

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instrument at evidence, not just camera
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a types. And so eventually,
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it, I got into that and
form an organization whereby we eventually put together

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over two million dollars in systems and
equipment facilities which quite successfully obtained some really

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excellent hard data on these objects,
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Now, this is two million dollars
back in the nineteen seventies. No,

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yes, in the seventies, and
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not talking about now. That would
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lot less because of the advances in
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it today, that would be what
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the nineteen seventies, mid seventies.
Wow, amazing And what type of how

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did you get the backing for that? Well that in first place was involved

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with a nonprofit corporation where people could
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a point to let people know that
this was the way to go. That

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everybody knew by that time that I
was involved with this COREL case and my

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frustration in losing the zinc iron alloy
herd evidence that had been scraped onto a

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rock, as I related in my
scrol book, And so I got people

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behind me that wanted to see a
new kind of evidence, an evidence that

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would involve that would cause real mainstream
physics and science to take this seriously.

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And fortunately, our biggest finance here
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I heard from South America that I
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the no, not at all.
Now, our main finance here was a

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commercial real estate broker in Austin,
Texas, and of course Austin was becoming

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beginning to become a real economic boom
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so we had very good financing from
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another individual that was a hydraulics engineer. That was, although he had a

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home in California, he was usually
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working for big oil companies there in
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him to do. And so he
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month in checks. I would interrupt
my frame thought on that and simply say

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that an interesting side event happened in
that context. That was all private,

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and of course no one knew who
was doing this, at least not or

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near people. But the My wife's
brother was in the US Navy at that

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time, and he was stationed down
in Norfolk. And I say down because

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I'm up here in the DC area
in Maryland. And he became friend with

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a guy here, indeed, they
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he had known him for about a
year, the guy said to him,

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Hey, Trip, have you ever
heard of an organization in Texas called Project

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Starlight International, and that's not to
be confused with Stephen Grier's Product Starlight.

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And it was a totally different thing, of a serious scientific vain. And

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Trip was said, Oh, are
you interested in UFOs And he said,

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no, I'm not. He said, well, why do you ask me?

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Then he said, well, he
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this. I've known you a year, but I worked for the CIA,

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And he told which obviously workings so
so. And he said, if he

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had been in our office for the
last several weeks, he said, the

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most frequent name you would have heard
called was product startled Internet. He said,

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are they doing something wrong? What
he didn't tell him at that point

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was that he himself had donated seven
hundred dollars towards the h eight foot chain

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lake fence with barb war on top
of it around our two of our billing

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facilities there. And the guy said, uh, well, no, they're

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we don't know. He said,
what we're concerned about is that they're receiving

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a large check every month from an
individual that uh we that is in some

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sometimes he was in Saudi Arabia,
sometimes he was in Bangladesh, sometimes even

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other places in the UH Near East, and they said, we were concerned,

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We're concerned. He said, well, uh wait, trip said,

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well what what what is the concern
If it's not comment, They said,

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well, we're concerned that some foreign
nation or agency interested in embarrassing the United

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States government is giving that project money
that could get evidence that could become embarrassed

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to the United States government. And
we want to know who it is and

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whether it is some communist country or
what it is that's giving them that might

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availed him that opportunity to embarrass the
government. Now isn't that interesting? Wow?

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That is now what the people that
were backing of this organization, in

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your equipment and all that, did
they have expectations? Did they want you

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to share the information in a certain
way? Well, yes, of course

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it was shared with them. And
in fact, the biggest finance here,

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the one from Austin, was with
us on our fabulous trip in July of

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nineteen seventy eight. He was right
there and saw every bit of it and

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operated to one of the cameras.
Oh but how about what was the What

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am I trying to say? How
what was the expectation as far as getting

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the information out to the general public. Was it something you were not to

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do. Objective was never really to
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The objective was to get hard evidence. We were using well. For example,

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we had of course spectrographic camera,
but more importantly than that, we

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had a recording extreme O frequency ELF
magnetometer that would record with time correlation from

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WWAVB boundary time broadcasting for Collins,
Colorado, along simultaneously with the center output

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of a recording gravel meter, and
we got spectacted or absolutely amazing recordings with

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those that show not only that these
objects have an extreme frequency magnetic field and

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that we learned how it correlates with
their maneuvers, but we also learned that

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the seeming let's call it gravity like
waves that we were recording with the gravel

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meter had a very interesting carlation with
the magnetic field, and we were able

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to show that as objects approached our
camera, we could see a difference in

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the magnitude increase between the magnetopterate output
in the gravel meter EFTPORT and this tends

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to absolutely confirm the authenticity the signals. Because a magnetic field that the field

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and these objects is dipolar. Two
field drops off the inverse where inverse Cuba

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the disims of the body of radiation, but a gravity like field would if

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it's monopolar as gravity is, would
drop off of the inverse Cuba disness for

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body of radiation, so you see
a differential in drop off. And this

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is exactly what we saw as for
example, we filmed and regarded this kind

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of data from a large mothership from
a top skull valley overlook in the Prescote

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National Forests on the afternoon broad daylight
of July twenty seventh, nineteen seventy eight,

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and as a smaller object came from
the mothership and got in nearest,

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we can actually see while they were
filnd we can actually see the increase in

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magnetiy, but the difference in magnitude
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which is extremely important to physicists that
are analyzing this to establish that they

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were two different parameters entirely and not, for example, magnetic induction acting on

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our gravelmeter sensor. In the first
place, it was shield from shielded from

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magnetic induction. Now, what do
you think ray of the two I know

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you've actually tried to reach out to
the two different systems out there now that

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are trying to do similar things.
You actually offered free help to UFO Data

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and UPHO TOG both. And what
do you think about the Have you looked

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deeply into what they're doing, and
if so, well so as I can

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determine they're not doing anything significant at
all. U boot Dog is flashing a

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lot of fancy instruments that have been
shown, but I've heard of no results.

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I've heard of no active field activities, and they have both thumbed their

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nose in me. I have invited
them to come here and see this.

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People say, oh, you don't
show it. I show it to people

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that are interested in doing science.
I'm not in the amusement business. I'm

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not in the entertainment business. But
I show it to people that have a

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scientific interest, and if anyone doubts
that, I can privately show them here

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proof of major major people, not
only scientists but in aerospace engineers, but

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people high up in the television community
connections that have been here and appreciated what

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they were shown. But yet they
thumbed their nose in me and will not

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come. And so I have to
question who they're listening to. They're not

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listening to anyone who has ever been
here and seen this. I can guarantee

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you if they if they were,
they would be here, But they have

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not. They're listening to somebody else
that that has some kind of fantasies about

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me and and my evidence, who
has never seen it. And I could

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name names specifically in these organizations of
people that had been invited at one part,

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some of them said they would come
but didn't never did. And I

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really I'm always open to show it
to people that are seriously into this,

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But I'm not at all impressed by
either one of these organizations you named,

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because they well, for example,
one of the organizations I heard is now

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moving in the direction of putting up
a satellite. Yeah, that's a whole

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different one. Yeah. Well,
no, no, no, no,

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no, no. The one I
heard about is not the one you've heard

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about. But I heard from somebody
on the board of directors of another organization.

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And let me say that if one
were to look at the evidence I

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have, one would realize that the
best kind of Yoho evidence will be the

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record the effects of these of the
fields of these objects upon backlighting that passes

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from behind them on tard for example, the camera and I have a wonderful

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example of this in Mexico. I'd
like to discuss and explain tonight. But

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you can in the first place,
these little satellite, these cheap satellites,

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few thousand dollars, they'll be up
a few months if they will decay and

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fall back down. And furthermore,
the chance of getting anything significant and proving

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it as anything significant is very low. There are things about the atmosphere and

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filming in the atmosphere and the effects
of lighting in the atmosphere that are much

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more conducive to getting hard scientific data
that speaks to physicist, both theoretical and

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applied physicists and engineers. And I
know this because I've had them right here

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in this very room and showed it
to them, and we have discussed it

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in depth. Now, may I
take a while and describe what I think

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is the single most important event that
we ever recorded. Yes, absolutely,

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And I have some questions related to
people who have looked at it coming up,

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So go right ahead. Okay,
Okay, you know what I'm talking

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about. My wife and I and
my daughter, who was two and a

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half years old at the time,
had been down to celebrate the birthday party

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of the great father of modernism in
Latin American art, the late artist Carlos

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Merida. We had been there on
there for his birthday and he's the godfather

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of my children. And we were
flying back from Mexico City. Now we

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were Our flight took out off from
Mexico City and at eighteen fifteen hours local

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time, the would be six fifteen
northern Mexico City. We were over what's

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called the Tissa Yuka Tisa Yuka omnidirectional
radio beacon. Now I'm going to give

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explicit data so people can know I'm
not making this up. This was a

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BRANDIF flight number fifty six Mexico City
to San Antonio, Texas. We were

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on a flight pairing of three hundred
fifty. This has supplied me by the

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pavat three hundred and fift degrees magnetic
bearing thirty five statute miles south of takeoff,

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and we were passing through twelve thousand
feet when I saw the objects and

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started filming. Our ground speed was
three hundred and thirty knots. Our air

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speed was two ortern eighty knots,
and I was in the filming from the

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middle seat nine B. My daughter
was in the window seat nine A.

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My wife was in the aisle seat
nine C. And as I said,

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we were over when it began,
the Papa said over the tizzy UCOP in

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the directional radio beacon, and we
were in a control flight zone where you

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had to have clearance to fly through
it. And anyway, what happened is

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I looked out the window and here
was something that immediately looked incredible today you

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truth, we had just gone through
the Anthropological Museum in Mexico City, and

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it seems a big stone carving of
the plume surface ketsokauada and which means the

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plume serpent. And out the window
the plane, the sun had just set.

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This, by the way, is
the ideal time to film UFOs,

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because the light is incredibly monopolarized.
It's not scattered light, it's not randomly

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polarized. It's highly polarized. And
I look out the window and we were

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we had passed through a layer of
rain below us. The clouds were below

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us. There was another layer of
clouds above us, but we were in

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the open at that time where there
was no rain and only a few faults

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that we filmed passing the airliner as
we were climbing and filming the objects.

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But the object that we first saw
looked like the plume serpent. It was

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crazy. I mean, I couldn't
believe it. I said to my little

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daughter, who was two and a
half, I said, look at that.

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That looks just like the thing we
saw in the museum. Look at

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it. Look at that tongue out
off the head and like the raised rattles

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sound on the back. And it
really did what it was. It turns

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out it was, if I may
use the vernacular, the mothership. It

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was electrifying the er around it.
But because Marster on both sides, the

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electrification was the plasma was quickly becoming
ion vapor and becoming opaque, which is

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very nice because of what you can
see in the film. And I'm watching

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this and we're talking about it and
how strange it is, I'm filming it,

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and all of a sudden there's approaching
it, a most bizarre looking object

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from the north. Now, this
obect approached it a slant angle, I

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would say, off the top of
my head, about ten degrees related to

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horizon. When it came to the
right, near the right end of this

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object that I called the mothership.
It aligned directly with the axis of the

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mothership, flew pallel with it until
it got to the left or south end

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of this object. Then it took
off at an angle of about seventy degrees

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slightly downward from my position, moving
toward an amazing huge delta shape. O.

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Because this is in broad daylight.
That is, at times it has

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at times you can see in the
movie a streak that goes submit to an

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incredible large things that's emerging from the
cloud layer above that appears to be at

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least the bottom portion of a big
another bigger, closer or bigger mothership.

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And you actually can see on the
film objects to go to and from it

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an incredible speed. I did not
see that part when that gut eye was

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too fast, but on the film, but I was watching this object that

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I mentioned that approached the mothership.
And here let me then break in and

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say that the object itself that was
approaching was crazy looking. When I saw

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it on the film, it was
even more puzzling than it looked to the

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eye. To the eye, I
thought it was a fat, kind of

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a domed fat disk with some kind
of an iron vapor whirling at high speed

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like a lasso, the cowboys rotating
before he least ows a calf. But

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when you look at the film,
you see that it's actually highly organized plasma

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with patterns that generate and decay and
regenerate and decay as it approaches the mothership

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and goes on past it. But
here's the important thing about this film.

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Life was highly polarized. And of
course during the film, as already been

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published in a major scientific in a
mainstream scientific presentation that occurred in Moscow,

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this film was I'm sorry, Ray, this film was Yeah. Part of

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this was I this is the first
time I've heard you say that, Oh

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well, I can, I can
send you a PDF. And the scientific

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presentation everywhere I mentioned that in a
minute, But let me mention what that

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was only about the part one of
the small objects associated with this mothership decided

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to take off while I was filming
it, and it powell it generated.

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I understand that even if I had
not been fitting into a beam splitter,

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which was putting the vertically polarized light
to the eye piece of the horizonally polarized

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eye in the film, I would
still have gotten Faraday ring because the light

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was so polarized because the sun had
just set and I was pointing west and

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that's been analyzed and it was highly
polarized, so ideal when this thing took

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off. I can show you pictures
of twenty some odd concentric light and dark

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rings and before somebody's screams and says, oh, he's, he's. This

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is something called the artifactor putting a
movie film to copy it between two pieces

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of glass, and these are the
rings that form from interface with the glass.

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It's pure Baloni. The film that
you see, the frame series that

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I show people were made by suspending
it in air in a template where nothing

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is touching the film. And the
furthermore, the plane of radiation is commensurate,

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is in line with the plane of
radio symmetry of the dipolar magnet.

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Feel the object and you see the
actual tilt. Every ring is tilted,

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and you see it perfectly and beautifully. But any places in the film where

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other objects become quite active around this
larger object, one actually sees what I

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would say where the victorial perhaps the
victorial summations of Faraday rotation effect of the

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fields of the different objects, and
you can actually see that a host of

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these objects are magnetic and they're rotating
the plane of polarization of the backlighting that

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it comes toward my camera. Now, much more important than that as it

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happens out there. As I said, we were above the cloud layer we

410
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,279
had passed through. But the mountaintops, fortunately on the west, are sticking

411
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:39,839
through that layer. And there is
a mountaintop directly under this mothership. And

412
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:45,559
that mountaintop is we have the data
quite actually it was one hundred and thirty

413
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:52,200
four statute miles away from my camera. It's but it's directly under the mothership.

414
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:59,599
And I'm filming at fifty four frames
per second, and throughout the entire

415
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:05,920
film, what happens is one sees
this mountain at fifty little frames per second.

416
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,320
In five frames, it collapses from
a mountain down into it. It

417
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:16,320
looks like a flattened penny against the
cloud horizon. It completely flattens out.

418
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,559
Now, what do you think,
how what do you think caused this visual?

419
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:24,400
Okay, let me explain the risks. What happens in the next fifteen

420
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,360
frames of the cycle. It rises
back up, Then in the next five

421
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:35,079
frames you see it optically warped down
again. The next fifteen fames, it

422
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,800
rises back up. This continues through
out the film, and this cannot be

423
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:43,559
natural reflection because one we were climbing, it would not be even it would

424
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:47,239
change constantly because we're climbing to twelve
thousand feet up to cruise altitude of twenty

425
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,159
five thousand feet. But furthermore,
the rate of warp. Let me tell

426
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:57,639
you the rate of warp. The
shrink rate of the mountain under the carrier

427
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:04,199
is one point four four degrees per
second. Now one point four to four

428
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:09,119
degrees is about three moons or suns
on top of each other. That is

429
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:15,000
orders of magnitude beyond the rate of
natural affection that can occur in the atmosphere.

430
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:19,760
The strength rate where it goes back
down for fifteen frames is zero point

431
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,920
four eight degrees per second. Now
this is real physics. But even more

432
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,159
wonderful than that is that in all
these objects, and it's big triangular object

433
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:34,800
off to the left, they're interacting. Objects are flying around. But the

434
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,559
most wonderful thing to the physicist is
this. As you look at the frames,

435
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:46,400
during the five frames of collapse,
the back lighting changes wavelength. It

436
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:53,119
has a red shift. It shifts
from bluer to redder during the strength phase

437
00:35:53,519 --> 00:36:00,039
of five frames. Then during the
next fifteen frames when the mountain, as

438
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:05,880
the mountain rises back up, you
have the blue shift from the red back

439
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:12,400
up into the blue. This occurs
again and again. Now this is enough

440
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:19,039
to make theoretical physicists jump up and
down and shout halleluja if they'll just come

441
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:22,599
here and look at it. It's
there. It's undeniable, and it is

442
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:29,199
all good old fashioned movie film,
no digital tricks. It's absolutely you know,

443
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:35,599
real emulsion film and good high quality
souper eight millimeter movie film. And

444
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:38,519
it was filmed at at tend power
and as I said, at fifty four

445
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:43,400
frames per second. So there you
have it. You have also this other

446
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,840
object with this plasma whirling and these
repeated patterns off the top of it.

447
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,599
But this phenomenon, this is incredible
physics. And by the way, the

448
00:36:52,800 --> 00:37:00,559
rate at which that is pulsing is
commensurate with the rate that we recorded during

449
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:07,599
a totally different event back in July
twenty seventh, nineteen seventy eight, and

450
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:15,159
one of the spikes of greatest magnitude
during that based on air Fourier analysis of

451
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:21,960
the magnetometer, the LF magnetemepter output
was seven point two hertz, and that

452
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:25,719
is what that frequency average that I
was coming from the airliner. So it's

453
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:31,119
interesting. Now there were other spikes
there in the ELF magnetic on July twenty

454
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:37,360
seventh, but that happened to be
one of the second highest spike as far

455
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:44,679
as of it occurring again and again. So here we have real physics that's

456
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,719
being done, Martin. And this
is the kind of thing that people ask

457
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,440
me, why hearth the poor UFOs
you've ever been accepted by the scientific mainstream.

458
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,239
The answer is they've been only presented
reports. Reports are what people see.

459
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,159
I think they see perceived and in
some cases misperceived. It does not

460
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,639
give us quantitative data. Movie films, magnetometer cardings, Grave Leader of Cardings

461
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:16,679
give us quantitative data. And and
you know, one might say that maybe

462
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:21,559
it was a gravity like effect that
was causing this mountain effect. Maybe it

463
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,199
was. We do have we didn't
have the magnetimic Grave Leader on the plane,

464
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,679
but in the other events we had
this out in West Texas, New

465
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:34,000
Mexico, Arizona, and we have
the signal coming off the gravel leater sensor

466
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,079
that is definitely correlated with the maneuvers
of the objects and has a fascinating correlation

467
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:42,679
with the magnetic field. So these
are the things. This is why I

468
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:49,719
said I want to address the failure
of mainstream theufology and all of their conferences

469
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,199
and celebrations of This is where you
know, that's fine if you want to

470
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:58,440
have fun, but if you want
to do some science, don't sell trinkets

471
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,880
to finance your UFO research. Certain
major you have organization does. Don't sell

472
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,159
books. Talk sense to people,
show them that you can do some hard

473
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,440
science, that you will do it, and they will finance it. I

474
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:15,280
know if I could do that in
nineteen seventy three, seventy four, seventy

475
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,519
five, seventy six, and seventyeventy
eight, they can do it now and

476
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:22,840
more easily because there are ways on
the Internet to appeal to people and show

477
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,639
them what you intend to do and
how you intend to do it right right.

478
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:30,679
A bunch of questions came in while
you were talking. First of all,

479
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,920
your camera, what camera did you
have that shoots fifty frames per second?

480
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,760
Oh well, let me let me
pull it out here just a minute.

481
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,159
I'm gonna put off the let me
pull the pull the album with some

482
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,599
of these pictures from the movie and
all the data on the camera right here.

483
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:50,679
This was a really absent cam.
Hold just a second, if I

484
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,360
make a little noise here, I'm
pulling this whole album from nineteen eighty out

485
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:01,199
of his box and let me see
I have power part present with his name

486
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,559
too, because but I don't have
them up on my piece. Okay,

487
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:08,800
while while you're doing that, I'll
ask you another question. How do you

488
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,400
get a magno magna to meet or
I don't even know how to say that

489
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:21,679
magnometer thank you to read out and
hurts to read? Oh, it's very

490
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,920
you re you record it? I
mean it's our Uh just let me hold

491
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,679
you just a second. Year.
I've got to find the right thank youre

492
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,559
Uh you hope the thing is not
missing? Oh you know the camera's not

493
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:39,719
really we can just move on.
Okay, anyway, let me let me

494
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:45,840
hya God, this is really strange. Yeah, I think God for me.

495
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:50,239
I think that's Uh. The question
was, how do you get one?

496
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,920
How do you get one to read
out in hurts? It's easy that

497
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:58,960
that's that's cycles per second. All
you simply do is uh, well,

498
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,760
the first place, let me let
me explained this unit was recording both the

499
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:07,559
the censer output of the gravel meter
and the magnetometer UH in W W V

500
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:13,280
B I'm sorry, in in I
R I G format, which is a

501
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,039
digital format that the Navy, for
example, uses and in fact, one

502
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:22,360
of the key physicists designed in the
UH the designing of the unit for us

503
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:30,000
was a naval physicist. And UH
it records in in binary digital form.

504
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,280
But what we do, they're simply
UH. We took it out to the

505
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:37,880
company that that made it, and
they took the tape out of the machine

506
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,119
and put it on a graph and
and actually gave us an analog graph of

507
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:45,840
the whole all the events that we
recorded it in and we sat there and

508
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:51,039
discussed, didn't analyze it, and
they showed us how the the gravel meter

509
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:53,920
output could not be an artifact,
that it appeared to be a real signal

510
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:59,199
that was reaching the censer. And
so you can sit right there and you

511
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:01,840
can see the seconds clicking off of
the wave farms. You can count them

512
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,159
there. There are ways to digitally
run this through and print it out on

513
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:09,480
a computer now, but you can
simply sit there and look at our analog

514
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:15,719
graphs and and count them for yourself. Okay, all right. So one

515
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:21,280
of the things that I was thinking
of when you were talking about the possible

516
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,320
propulsion or whatever was happening with the
physics of this craft and other crafts early

517
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,039
on, when you were talking about
your your research project there, what do

518
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:37,320
you think happens when you hear about
these electronic interference situations like when a car

519
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,480
goes dead or someone's watch or whatever
when they're when a UFO was near.

520
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:45,159
How does that How does that fit
into the whole scheme of things? Well

521
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,639
that, Uh, yes, it's
a well known phenomenon and it does happen

522
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,440
sometimes. Uh. I don't know
if it will happens much with the way

523
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:57,960
our course are operated now as they
used to be, But it's hard to

524
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,679
say exactly. There's not a whole
lot of studies there. There's a good

525
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:07,280
case that Mark Rodick can put together
of uh these effects on autobiles and other

526
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,800
machines, which is nice. But
we need the magnetometers. We need not

527
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,639
only ELF, we need other in
higher frensy magnetometers to talk about what has

528
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,599
happened. But we need to concern
ourselves not so much about the fact that

529
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,960
it might by the way, there's
nothing that exotic about stopping a car or

530
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:34,519
a tractor or a truck with a
electronic magnetic electromagnetic device. The government has

531
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:37,719
has these now and uh and has
developed them and ahead of a long time

532
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,239
now. I'm not going to say
that that was based on anything we learned

533
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,280
from UFOs. We do have a
lot of good physicist, physicists and electronics

534
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,239
people that could easily figure out how
to do that. You don't have to

535
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,320
pull it out of a craft UFO. But anyway, what we need to

536
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:58,920
look for is, uh, what
in which what can we learn from these

537
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,360
objects is not what people think they
see are the fantasies they build in their

538
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,840
mind. And we're all human beings. I mean, I know this from

539
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:08,679
my own experience. You have to
you have to get objective. You've got

540
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:15,519
to have instrumented data. We've got
to forget this business of pawing over reports

541
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:21,280
and analyze electronic data. And we
also people need to come here Martin for

542
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,119
another reason. I can I can
get anybody here for a few days.

543
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,800
I can teach them by showing what
we recorded in these films. I can

544
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:37,519
teach them to recognize how the real
objects look in broad daylight, you can

545
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:42,760
see the physics operating around them.
These fake pictures that people are coming out

546
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:49,760
with with photoshop jobs, etc.
They are based on comic book ideas of

547
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,239
what UFOs are. They have no
idea what the real thing is like.

548
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:59,159
And I laugh at them. And
then we have so many pictures of tinselized

549
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,519
my Laura balloon us that look weird
o. The blue doesn't shaped like that.

550
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,880
Intensialize my Our balloons could be bought
in almost any farm, and if

551
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,199
you want another farm, you haven't
made. But these are not UFOs.

552
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:15,159
And if anybody would come here for
a few days, that at least absolved

553
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:19,360
themselves of the illusion that the lot
of these things being put down on the

554
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,920
Internet are real films of UFOs.
They're not. I can tell you that,

555
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:29,440
both in history and in the present
time, the real images of these

556
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,480
objects are less than one percent of
the things that are put out as being

557
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:37,880
images of the of a noble of
serial objects. And you know, I

558
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,760
could give I could do a whole
nine month course, or anybody want to

559
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:46,000
take a course in in that.
But it's more important to actually, for

560
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:52,440
example, answer the question that I
had, how how is that light shifting

561
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,840
wavelengths from the blue to the red
and back up to the blue in these

562
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,440
pulses. That is so exotic that
if you can, if you can answer

563
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,840
that, you may be into our
for a Nobel Prize. Now there's another

564
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,400
phenomenon of UFOs that we need to
look at very seriously. And this was

565
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:15,440
totally shocked to me. I mean, it was totally unanticipated by me or

566
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,599
anybody connected with me, or anybody
ever talked to. When you film these

567
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:27,239
real objects in broad daylight, they
produce multiple images. There are multiple images

568
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:34,920
of them generated around them that are
not only literally you can see every view.

569
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:38,320
In some instances, it's not just
the view you're seeing. For example,

570
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:44,920
I have two excellent examples in which
up above the object is the whole

571
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,719
object clearer than the object. Films
in broad daylight on ed jone turn ninety

572
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,199
degrees, where it's access of radial
symmetry is parting toward the camera and sous

573
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,840
you see it rotated upward, foot
upward at ninety degrees, and there are

574
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:02,360
other images around. If that that
believe me, I have pictures. I

575
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,199
have movie films. One take my
wife and I on February. I think

576
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:10,440
it was sixteenth, nineteen eighty six. We were out. We were going

577
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,159
to Andrews Air Force Base here on
the east side of DC that's charged with

578
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,400
protecting the nation's capital. Was on
Sunday afternoon. We're going to have dinner

579
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,760
with a colonel colonel friend of ours, and by golly, we saw two

580
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:29,800
of the motherships. One of them
just fan of doubts, just like that,

581
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:35,599
they only remained and it launched objects
and during This is the best example

582
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:38,440
that I have of the multiple imaging. It is incredible. I can show

583
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:44,880
you frames from that film in which
you can count hundreds of multiple images.

584
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,559
I have other examples of this kind
of thing too, But there is no

585
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,519
simple, ready explanation for this,
even based on physics that people have already

586
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:58,000
talked about. I believe if we
can get serious scientists to look at this,

587
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,199
somebody, and I've said this to
many people, will get a Nobel

588
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:07,599
Prize because this is maybe even more
important than the thing I'm talking about,

589
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:12,039
the mountain collapsing and the wavelength of
light changing. This is something really truly

590
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:15,639
exotic. I could, but I
don't like it because I'm not really a

591
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,960
theoretical physicist at all, not near
there. But I could talk about what

592
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:24,559
I have discussed with others and what
might create this, but you have to

593
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:29,360
get into quantum mechanics, and that's
something that nobody really understands. You have

594
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,840
to express it mathematically. But anyway, that's another one of the phenomenon.

595
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,360
Another one, not quite as important, but very important, is the fact

596
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:43,360
that these objects just dart space time
around themselves and therefore create what I call

597
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:49,159
the geometric surround, which it can
be a rambus foor sighted thing, it

598
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:54,920
can be a polygon of various hypes, and it can change depending on certain

599
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,719
factors. But I have films of
this, and also I have a picture

600
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:08,440
take in Brazil from a government project
that was down there in nineteen seventy seven,

601
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,119
in which an object was photographed from
their aircraft in broad daylight. And

602
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,840
the object looks like a glowing all
over it, but definitely you can make

603
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,800
out there's some sort of a probably
a domed disc. But when you look

604
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,760
at the shadow now, which goes
across the stream or a river down there

605
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:30,440
in the jungles, the shadow is
foresighted, which means probably that the person

606
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,000
on the ground the look up and
think they were seeing a war sided object

607
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:37,559
from up above where you're not seeing
that effect of the warping of the light

608
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:43,480
passing around it. You're seeing a
disk. So that in itself is interesting,

609
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:47,280
but it's not nearly as exotic and
important to physicists as the other two

610
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,360
phenomena that I mentioned. Ray,
When these people you were talking about earlier,

611
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:58,000
high ranking officials are high ranking and
somewhere in the government. I know

612
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:01,480
that you're right there at Guardard Space
Center because I visited you there and we

613
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:05,960
went over there together, had a
great time. But when you're talking about

614
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,679
when these high ranking people have actually
come to your house and have seen these

615
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:15,280
things, what were their reactions?
Oh, tremendously excited and positive. I

616
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,960
mean absolutely, there's never been a
negative person at all. I mean I

617
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:24,199
love to get people that just are
skeptical or just say man, I can't

618
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:29,239
buy this stuff, and bring them
in and show it to them and they

619
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,639
change their absolute real fast. You
know, the people that really go over

620
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:38,559
this and understand it are the people
with the most education. The media make

621
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:43,480
the like you, They seem to
make people try to get them to think

622
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,800
that it's only uneducated people. Maybe
somebody who never had an high school education,

623
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,719
in the Ozarks that believes in the
day. Oh no, theiher.

624
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:57,000
The more you're educated, particularly an
aerospace engineering, electronic hineering physics, the

625
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:01,639
more likely you are to accept the
possibility of for example, alien live alien

626
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:07,320
technology and it potentially visiting the Earth. But these people also are the ones

627
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:13,119
that have the background to see it
and appreciate it. You you appreciate something

628
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:19,599
in some extent to the degree to
which you understand it, and they understand

629
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,119
readily these things because they have most
of them have background in this physics.

630
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:28,199
And I'm not going to call names, and I don't own to you if

631
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:31,559
you already know the name of one, well known, internationally known, major

632
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:37,199
world class theoretical physicists came here and
he said, you know, he said,

633
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,159
I really appreciate what you've showed me. He spent I think it was

634
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,159
ten and a half hours here and
he just handed me a check for one

635
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:50,440
thousand dollars and said, I appreciate
it, right, thank you. Wow.

636
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,280
Now, someone was in the chat
room is wondering, why then,

637
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:59,800
why don't you publish when you have
something that's good? Why should I?

638
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,159
Well, I'm not here to entertain
the public. I'm not here to convince

639
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:07,599
anybody that ET is here. All
right, Well, let me just say

640
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:14,239
for me along those lines, rate, what do you think the advantages of

641
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,119
hanging on to this? And do
you think if someone else has something really

642
00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:22,000
really good, like a really good
film, that they should also you know,

643
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:25,119
keep it private like you are,
and show just certain people if they

644
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:29,920
if they have the film, they
must not know it. But I would

645
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,119
probably have heard about it by the
grapevine, I would think. But even

646
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:37,079
if there's things out there, Look, the average Joe does not know what

647
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:44,599
this means. I do not understand
the importance of it to research and development.

648
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,159
The people I deal with do.
This has been my goal, you

649
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:50,480
know, I think I told you
when you're here, I probably showed you

650
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:53,400
a picture of some pretty good sized
rockets that I built and launched on Padre

651
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:58,800
Islan in my high school days.
I got to In my senior year,

652
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,039
I got the top A ward in
the Physical Science of the Texas Junior Academy

653
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:05,880
of Sciences for my paper called the
Experiments of Multiple stage Penncipal Rockttery. I

654
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,280
have built him out. My dream
was to get people into space, not

655
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,039
to them to go out there and
to see UFOs and b convinced that aliens

656
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:17,119
of hissingis. But because I have
always felt the more we see looking down

657
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:21,440
on the earth, as the late
Edgar Mitchell said, when you look down

658
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:24,320
and you see the world, you
realize, hey, here's all these people

659
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,599
caught up on the least hatreds and
problems in there. But we look very

660
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:31,239
much as one from out there.
I have always believed that the more we

661
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:36,519
see the universe, hopefully maybe this
is a pipe dream, but that will

662
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:39,920
have. This is my goal,
and I have if anybody has bothered to

663
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:45,039
spend the mirror nine dollars or whatever
it is to get Chris Lambright's book on

664
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:52,800
called X, descending half of which
talks about how I helped the government get

665
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:58,159
the secret of the beam ahead to
travel through the atmosphere at high personic speeds

666
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,719
without ever having to push the atmosphere
away, produce a sonic boom and does

667
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:06,280
spend a lot more energy than the
otherwise would if they've bothered to spend nine

668
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,840
dollars, if you don't do it
and read the darn thing and see his

669
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,400
evidence, he did a wonderful,
wonderful job of documenting completely proving that I

670
00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:21,039
was the one that gave him the
idea. And that's one thing I've given.

671
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:22,920
I'm proud of it. And as
he thanked me, my wife was

672
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,960
a witness to at least one of
the of the three times he thanked me,

673
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:34,880
he said, for giving your government
a quantum leap through the atmosphere and

674
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,559
into space, into space this week. You know, if that's that technology,

675
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:45,840
that beam ahead is still being researched. I don't suspect it is.

676
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,239
I see no reason why it didn't. I know that the Magni dynamic craft

677
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,000
that was involved that Chris talks about
there that it was no secret. I

678
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:59,599
mean, I've found it on the
internet. They had a multimillion dollar grounded

679
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,480
the They had to power this with
a microwave beam. So they have a

680
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:08,639
very microwave shielded a nice beautiful large
called it a mobile home type situation that

681
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:15,480
is totally shielded and grounded, and
as nice Western Indian decorations in it and

682
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:20,480
so on and so forth. And
they do that because they're launching these things

683
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:25,679
and they can be microwave scatter,
and that was happening that I've seen that

684
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,519
it's about than eight years ago now, so they must be a lot further

685
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:32,480
beyond that. But believe me,
when it gets to certain stage of R

686
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,679
and D research development, you're not
going to hear about it. You don't

687
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:43,000
hear about these things until you know, ten fifteen years later, when they

688
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:52,159
become economically integrated into financial necessities of
transportation, you don't hear about it.

689
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,719
But I am proud that I gave
that, and I asked nothing for it

690
00:55:54,800 --> 00:56:00,079
whatsoever, as can be verified by
anybody who knows about the situation, and

691
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:06,000
by the guy who brought his professor
into for me to show this to him.

692
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:08,119
They were at an advanced propulsion conference
that got her Space Flight Center,

693
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:14,480
and he told me that they learned
far more with me than they ever learned

694
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,079
there. And he asked me,
he said, ray, but I embarrassed

695
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:20,880
to ask you this. But we
don't know how to land this darn they,

696
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,199
he said. We have this magnetohydynamic
feel, which means they are electrifying

697
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,719
the air into a plasma around it
and moving it with a magnate feel.

698
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:32,239
But with that spinning around, we
rotate landing gear out into that chaos.

699
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,679
Shockwaves can set up chaos, and
we can crash the thing, killopolus and

700
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,159
so and then I said, of
course, let me show you how they

701
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:43,199
do it, and I showed him
a drawing from a multi witness case in

702
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,639
the Caribbean where occupants actually got out
of the thing. I said, now,

703
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:52,480
look carefully, I said, you're
talking about opening these landing gear out

704
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:54,559
on the flange, out of the
ads to the flanges, because that's in

705
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:00,119
typical a sense of physics, that's
the safest place to have them if you

706
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:02,920
don't have that torn of magnet dynamic
flow going that tornado coming around it.

707
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,679
But I said, look, you
can't do that where you do. You

708
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,800
opened that, You have the magnetic
calls out there, you have that flowing

709
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,880
out there, but there's a still
place in the cone of the magnetic field

710
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,000
you open them there. And he
said, my gosh, I don't know

711
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,119
why I didn't think about that in
appreciation. A few weeks later and I

712
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:24,239
haven't. He sent it to me. He gave another talk in DC at

713
00:57:24,239 --> 00:57:29,360
a major conference at this time,
and he drew the landing gear in the

714
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,960
way I showed him and sent it
to me in appreciation. Well, I'll

715
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:36,440
tell you what the PhD student that
got him down here in the first place

716
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:39,559
told me. They left here one
night at I don't know when they left.

717
00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:43,199
They got back to Rinsel. They're
probably taking us to New York.

718
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:45,880
At around two fifteen, two thirty
in the morning, he said, I

719
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,719
saw Professor Merribone. He said,
he ran up the stairs as soon as

720
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:55,800
he got here to the electronic drafting
machine on the upper floor, drew the

721
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,000
new steamer for the landing gear in
and sent it immediately to the Aerospace Technical

722
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:06,880
Intelligence Center of Dayton Oile. So
I had direct him but into the design

723
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,679
of that, and I can I
can prove it because he sent me the

724
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:13,159
thing here that they showed it in
there, and there's no reason for him

725
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:15,920
to have sent it if I had
not been the one that gave it to

726
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,039
him. And he did not know
how, They did not know how to

727
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:21,519
land it until I told him,
how does it? Hel put Off,

728
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:24,880
I'm sorry, what was this hel
put Off? No, no, no,

729
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,559
not help put On. No,
No, this wasn't help put Oh.

730
00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:30,599
This was Thefessor Lake Marabo la Mirabil
Kay, all right, yeah,

731
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:34,079
yeah, I don't know why I
was confusing the two. Okay, no,

732
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:37,320
no, no, hell. Hel
put Off is not an aerospace engineer.

733
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,400
Marrabo is an aerospace engineer. And
he also, I'll tell you an

734
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,880
interesting story. He asked me,
said, would you be willing to show

735
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,239
all this and and whatever you want
to show him to another major major aerospace

736
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,440
engineer from California if I can get
him out here to see you. I

737
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,199
said sure. Well, he said, look, I'm gonna put him in

738
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:59,079
contact with you in here from him
anyway. Finally, after two weeks I

739
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:00,119
heard him. He said, I
am frustrated. He said, I have

740
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:05,440
played it with him. I've already
to pay his complete all his expenses to

741
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,840
come see. I've told him that
you will give him the quantum leap that

742
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,960
I talked about. And he said
I wanted him to come. And you

743
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,039
know what he said. He said, he said to me, I would

744
00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:17,199
not go across the street to talk
to any lying SOB that claims he filmed

745
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:22,800
a UFO. And you know what, Professor Marribau told him. Wonderful guy.

746
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:27,239
He said, look, okay,
presume that he's crazy and it's all

747
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:34,039
the hopes the go. Listen to
him anyway, you learn something that's pretty

748
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:37,800
funny. Let's see. So I
think I told you. We do have

749
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:43,119
some questions in the chat room.
Also, one of the thoughts. So

750
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:49,559
I've been thinking about and I talked
earlier with Alejandro about triangles, and I

751
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:53,519
know you mentioned that in the Mexico
sighting. You said the large craft was

752
00:59:53,559 --> 00:59:58,400
a triangle. But what do you
make of all the triangles sightings? That

753
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:02,880
just seems like there's so many?
And have you seen just to follow up

754
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,679
with that, have you also seen
a change in what people are seeing through

755
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:10,760
your many years of research? Absolutely
not, Sam. When you have an

756
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,599
advanced technology, this is so advanced, so far beyond this that you don't

757
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:21,360
need to change models ever two years
by new breakthroughs. Listen, I filmed

758
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,079
these things. The first time that
I got several times of triangles broad daylight

759
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:30,199
filmed was during the twelve twelve seventy
seven event from Beta Flight nine when I

760
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:34,760
was flying back from being on the
old TV show to Tell the Truth and

761
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:40,519
from LaGuardia to Dallas Fort Worth.
But I have subsequently and I can't name

762
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:45,159
it, but even it's certain.
Well, I was certain government installations.

763
01:00:45,199 --> 01:00:47,920
I actually have two amazing films that
I got when I was at government installation,

764
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,840
nothing to do with government objects,
but that happened to be visiting the

765
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:59,039
sky at that time. I've got
wonderful examples. I know. I wish

766
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:01,800
I could get that one guy I
can't remember his named, Dave whatever that

767
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:07,440
does the research on triangle objects.
A nice guy, Dave Mouller. Yeah,

768
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,920
and I wish I could get him
here. He keeps saying it will

769
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,000
come, but he never makes it. Like the rest of these guys.

770
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,480
If they really believed me, though, if he really knew what I could

771
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:21,880
show it, he'd be here tomorrow
because I had daylight film I have for

772
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,679
example. Now, the biggest one
of these types were there were these objects

773
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:30,199
shot in near this gigantic carrier on
twelve twelve seventy seven. Actually there are

774
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:34,519
three of these gigantic carriers. I'm
talking about the one that was Two of

775
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:38,679
them are down nearby and shot a
plasma beam into a thunderhead off to the

776
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:42,679
southeast of us and drew plasma and
tried to conceal himself. The other one

777
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:46,599
was up in the stratosphere and beautifully
clear and were wonderful plasma raised it did

778
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:53,159
not become I on vapor And before
that thing left, big tranger, black

779
01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:57,480
triangular, I just came and docked
point down under the bottom of it.

780
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,000
Let me first say that we have
two methods of the determining the size of

781
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:05,360
that object. We spent one hundred
and seventy I believe one hundred and seventy

782
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,880
nine hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars
studying that film alone, and we determined

783
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:15,000
the distance and the size of these
objects. These objects are huge, and

784
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:21,039
they dock point down under an object
that itself is fourteen thousand feet long,

785
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:25,079
that's two point sixty five miles,
And they are huge, hundreds and hundreds

786
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:29,280
and hundreds of feet on the side, and they docked with a point down.

787
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:31,599
But the side that they put up
to the bottom of this object,

788
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:36,519
and I'm not gonna bother to go
into I actually know that the shape of

789
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:40,599
this object is not round, is
long. It's thirty times longer than it

790
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:45,599
is stick. But it actually the
where they plug into the bottom, you

791
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:50,760
actually have a slight wedge in an
angle that goes in is not a flat

792
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,559
side, and that side is the
one that goes up and docks underneath the

793
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:58,039
bottom. Now why did they dock
that way? Because there's magneto hydnamic flow.

794
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:01,360
It's electrifying the air in the use
in the atmosphere doesn't mean distant space.

795
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:06,639
But it's using magnetohydnemic flow and you
would interfere with it. But by

796
01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:12,000
putting the point down underneath you actually, in theory at least would probably enhance

797
01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:17,119
the lift effect of the magnetohydnemic flow. But before that film ends, six

798
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:22,239
of these objects docked to point down
beneath that incredible object is so big we

799
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:27,360
jokingly don't call it the mothership.
We call it the grandmother. And then

800
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,119
it rotated about nine degrees when slowly
up and all of a sudden there was

801
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:37,079
this incredibly brilliant flash and it vanished
completely. Now that is the biggest type.

802
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:40,480
But I have a wonderful film from
let's see, I have movie film

803
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,400
and I have still a film with
good pictures from October fifteen nine and eighty

804
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:50,599
four when there were let's see.
The witnesses ront yard were my wife,

805
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,559
my two oldest kids, the tax
larger next door and his wife, and

806
01:03:55,559 --> 01:04:00,800
we had six additional witnesses in Lano, Texas to this. But we actually

807
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,960
saw and photograph. We got to
see a forty eight power and photograph at

808
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,679
twelve power. We had a four
power view device on top of my camera

809
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:13,920
to make it at forty eight power. But we got photographs of the mothership,

810
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,559
which is small. It's relatively small. It's fourteen hundred feet to the

811
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:21,440
fourteen thousand feet, and we have
there are several types of deltoid objects that

812
01:04:21,519 --> 01:04:26,039
come up to that thing, but
my favorite one is what I call the

813
01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:30,599
flying wing, and it actually has
a one wing. You can see triangular

814
01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:33,719
objects docked on its wings, smaller
triangular obviously, and on the nearer wing

815
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:39,519
you can see the spaces, the
lighter blue spaces where apparently two of these

816
01:04:39,519 --> 01:04:45,440
objects were sitting but had presumably taken
off. And it's very daylight, and

817
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,039
you can see the reflection of the
glow of the mothership off the back edge

818
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:53,679
of this beautiful wing and the devices
on the wing. It's all daylight,

819
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:59,639
light and shadow. And Dave Martyr
would go crazy to see this. But

820
01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:02,159
there's there are numerous types. There
was also from the twelve to twelve to

821
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:06,920
seventy seven Grandmothers we called it.
There's another type that's a delta that has

822
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:13,039
flat sides but the vertices are round
it and it has some interesting features on

823
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,119
it, and I have numbers of
examples of that, and I also have

824
01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:20,360
pictures of that that was photographed to
buy a incredible person in Brazil in broad

825
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:25,400
daylight. So this has been photographed
by more than one person, to say

826
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:30,519
the least. Now, there is
also another wonderful type that veries slightly informed,

827
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:33,960
but I call the clip wing delta, and take the delta and clip

828
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,840
the wings, and sometimes they have
things that stick up on the tips of

829
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:43,320
the wings that may be triangle and
can change angles. But these things are

830
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,760
beautiful and amazing, and I have
some wonderful My favorite shadow of that was

831
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,480
when I was on January twentieth,
nineteen seventy seven, I was flying down

832
01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:54,760
from Canada and we were flying over
I believe Kansas broad daylight, and I

833
01:05:54,840 --> 01:06:00,480
followed a huge triangle up down from
way above the airline. You're feeling it

834
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,599
down to where it actually came down
near deaf the ground that was partly snow

835
01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:08,920
covered, and you can see the
shadow of the object owned the snow merged

836
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:15,239
with where the object comes down,
but it around that object when it was

837
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:20,000
uphire above our airliner, one of
these clip beautiful clip wing deltas moved at

838
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,559
incredible speed around the near side of
it, and you can actually see the

839
01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:30,079
multiple imaging from it alongest trail,
and the beautiful thing is glowing a beautiful

840
01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:36,000
turquoise color. And then there's also
what I call the the curve wings swallow,

841
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:41,199
the stratospheric swallow that's been described by
people from on the ground in Broadela,

842
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,400
but I filmed it from an airliner
at the third nine thousand feet and

843
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,480
it is beautiful. Childed Dave Marler. If you hear this, anybody tells

844
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,480
you about that, you better get
over here. In the words, I

845
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:55,800
want to show these two people that
matter. I want them to understand and

846
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,840
be able to tell people, No, these are not Yes, yeah they're

847
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,320
black Project Deltoid, Sure there are, but they are nothing. They are

848
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:06,559
firecrackers, they're perotechnics compared to these
things. These things not only that I

849
01:07:06,599 --> 01:07:11,519
haven't mentioned, but they also have
another property. It appears that they operate

850
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:15,199
in locally compressed time. Do I
have evidence of this, Yes, indeed

851
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:19,239
I do, and in films and
I'm not guessing. And there is film

852
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:25,639
evidence as well as anecdotal evidence from
some cases that suggested these things locally compressed

853
01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:28,360
time. And that's not original to
me. I mean, John Keel was

854
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:32,119
talking about that idea way back several
decades ago. But I do have film

855
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:38,639
that gives some offy convincing evidence that
that's happening. Wow, okay, Ray,

856
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,280
let's see. There was a number
of questions, and one of them

857
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:47,480
was do you know anything about the
B fifty two nineteen sixty eight in the

858
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:55,079
Gulf of Mexico that supposedly was snatched? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I

859
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:59,559
was the one that put that information
out because let me explain what happened.

860
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:03,679
I was working for the Snellings now
in personnel firm. I think we were

861
01:08:03,719 --> 01:08:08,840
only if I remember grade the fourteenth
floor of the thirteenth floor of the new

862
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:13,880
seven hundred building there and downtown Converrey's
Christie and I didn't know anything that happened

863
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,319
the night before, but I drove
my car into I was staying with my

864
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:19,960
parents, and I came in and
parked in the parking lot and went up.

865
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,880
Well. As I was there was
an overpass you had to go to

866
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:28,159
get into downtown convers Christie. And
as I went on the overpass, here

867
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:32,239
was my got off to the in
the direction of what being mattagarda island whale

868
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:36,479
at the coast, there was an
incredible object. Now understand, I know

869
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,680
what a lenticular cloud looks like.
This was not alenticular cloud. This is

870
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:44,079
coast and we don't have any mountains
that tend to produce by would leave waves

871
01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:46,520
above them. A lenticular clouds.
You could get an articular cloud atop a

872
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:54,720
thermal up flow from a you can
get alenticative cloud above a thunder head.

873
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:59,199
But this was a beautiful clear day
and here was a disc that had a

874
01:08:59,239 --> 01:09:01,680
curved top. It looked like it
was covered with the whitish vapor looking stuff,

875
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,319
but it came into a flat bottom
with a black ring and it looked

876
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:09,279
like a gigantic black opening in the
bottom of it. This thing was out

877
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:12,560
there. My god, what in
the world. I went in and I

878
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,079
got all of our crew out.
It was not at nine o'clock where we

879
01:09:15,119 --> 01:09:18,720
have to deal with the finding people's
people jobs. And we all went there

880
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:23,800
and watched from the north windows.
And one of the guys live in factor

881
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:29,119
retired to Marine Master sergeant, and
they were just troll and amazed. We

882
01:09:29,159 --> 01:09:32,399
couldn't what in the world, Well, here's the thing we could see at

883
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:36,840
that distance. Turns out it was
in the area of Madagoda Island. You

884
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:44,560
could see at that distance these tiny
little vapor trolls as conversation wakes of reconnaissance

885
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,920
jets. They would timidly fly up
toward this on a reconnaissance run and turn

886
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:54,600
around, go back and come back
and make another run. These four guys

887
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,000
must have been scared out of their
wits, considering what I learned had happened

888
01:09:58,039 --> 01:10:00,600
there a few hours before. They
were doing this, and we all commented,

889
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,039
my gosh, why are these jets
making run on this thing. Aren't

890
01:10:04,039 --> 01:10:08,399
these guys scared to death this kind
of thing. Well, a little while

891
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,840
later I got bad hay fever from
the front that was blowing some pollen in

892
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,279
from austin from the juniper trees,
and I went across the drug store to

893
01:10:16,319 --> 01:10:19,920
get some thing to spray in my
nose i could talk to my clients.

894
01:10:20,279 --> 01:10:25,760
And when I was over there,
I heard the news and it said the

895
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,920
night before this B fifty two from
Carswell Air Force Base, which had plenty

896
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:35,000
of fuel, and it was in
a routine maneuver over Matagada Island, and

897
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:41,119
it said there was no broadcast of
warning. Now this had numerous broadcast systems

898
01:10:41,119 --> 01:10:44,600
in it. They had all kinds
of electronic gear. I have the names

899
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,840
and the educational background of all the
people that were aboarded who have never been

900
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:54,359
seen since this thing was there.
It suddenly vanished off the radar scopes and

901
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,960
it was never ever seen again.
Now, this thing had a lot of

902
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,399
fuel. Had a crashed on gob
of Mexico, there would in an aw

903
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,840
slick per excellent, you would have
seen debris. Ultimately, well, I

904
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:11,079
called Naval air Station Carpus CHRISTI had
the responsibility of heading the search because they

905
01:11:11,119 --> 01:11:15,600
were using their They even used one
of the sub hundred aircraft and other aircraft

906
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,159
in that area. As they told
me. Well, a few weeks later

907
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:20,239
and I've got all this. I
can't call the date off the top of

908
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:25,359
my head. A mysterious little article
appear in the Carpus Christie paper and they

909
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,640
said, the records of the B
fifty two that disappeared off the coast of

910
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,760
madagarla Aven was found this week off
the southern tip of padre Islan. Well,

911
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:39,479
hey, that's over three hundred miles
away from work. It disappeared.

912
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:45,319
So that's why I called intelligence in
Ascrpus Christie, and they said, listen,

913
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,920
if you find out who was responsible
for that article. You call us

914
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:54,520
back and let us know because it
is an outright lie. What we found

915
01:11:54,600 --> 01:12:00,840
down there was a seat cushion with
a coded number on it from a small

916
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:06,439
training jet trainer where we were training
pilots that he crashed down there some months

917
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:10,399
ago. And this was merely a
seat cushion, and the number told us

918
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,840
exactly which well we knew who was
following it, what it was today.

919
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,760
It's a little bit of aircraft,
nothing to do with that, and it's

920
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,399
an outright lie. And he used
the words he said, we want to

921
01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:24,680
know why that was put out because
it is false. It has nothing to

922
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,119
do with that, and we're the
ones in charge of the search for that

923
01:12:27,159 --> 01:12:30,720
Bee fifty two. So anyway,
that's the story. Now. I don't

924
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:35,000
know what happened, but my personal
belief is that that big opening, that

925
01:12:35,039 --> 01:12:38,520
what looked like an opening release I
saw the bomb. That thing could have

926
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,640
swallowed the Bee fifty two and not
even belst afterwards. I mean, it

927
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:47,159
was awesome, and to see these
little planes it looked so tiny, just

928
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,800
making these runs on it. I
mean, the pilots must have been terrified.

929
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,920
But anyway, that's the story.
In response, to your question,

930
01:12:54,119 --> 01:12:58,000
mar Wow, thank you. Now
here's another one from the chat room.

931
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:02,600
A lot of people in the UFO
field value your contributions and are eager to

932
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,960
have it shared, since it is
not practical for everyone to be invited one

933
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:11,319
by one to visit your home.
Is there anything that can be done to

934
01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:15,319
convince you to share it on a
broader scale? If not, is there

935
01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:18,399
a plan for future years? Yes? Yeah, well good question. Yes.

936
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,159
Now here's the thing. I don't
know how many people out there know

937
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:25,800
this, but I am heavily,
heavily involved night and day, almost literally

938
01:13:27,159 --> 01:13:30,520
into three in the morning. I'm
working on the most complex scientific paper on

939
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:36,279
dinosaur and mammal and brying reptro tracks
it's ever been. I mean, I

940
01:13:36,399 --> 01:13:40,399
found this thing at Godd's Space Flight
Center and we thought it was just the

941
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,640
track of the Lord notice Star,
and turns out has over ninety footprints on

942
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,520
it, including those of at least
thirty eight tracks of dinosaurs, at least

943
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:53,520
six or seven varieties, at least
three to five varieties of mammals, and

944
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:58,000
forty semi tracts of mammals, and
seven tracks of these flying reptols. Plus

945
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,520
they're feeding traces and a lot more, and it's very complex, and I'm

946
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:06,560
committed to getting this out soon because
it's in a display case a god Iss

947
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:11,960
space Flight Center in the Earth Sciences
Building thirty three, but it's covered.

948
01:14:12,039 --> 01:14:15,880
It's like the government's secret because it
has to be covered so nobody can photograph

949
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,319
it and jump us on the scientific
publication. But I'm working day and night

950
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:24,319
now. When I get this done, there will eventually be an opening there

951
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,920
the world. Everybody listening to this
will hear it in their TV, their

952
01:14:28,039 --> 01:14:30,640
radio, everything that communications. This
is going to be one of the biggest

953
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:35,039
patonological stories of history, and I
have that from major, major paydontologists who

954
01:14:35,079 --> 01:14:39,680
have seen it. But when I
get that out of my hair, so

955
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:44,560
to speak, and get my I'm
committed to see this through and get this

956
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:49,199
done. Then I am hoping that
now I can sell plenty of books on

957
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:53,079
these things that were found in Godter's
Space Flight Center, both for a dollars

958
01:14:53,159 --> 01:14:55,720
and for children. I know that
I can get a good advance on them.

959
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,720
But for some reason, I don't
think anybody you know. I tried

960
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,760
to some of this when I first
came up here in the early in let's

961
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,760
say eighty seven to eighty eight,
and these publishers, I mean, I

962
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:12,920
had one that brought forth few of
these cases, and these idiot publishers said,

963
01:15:13,039 --> 01:15:18,079
we're not interested in this because it
is scientific. We don't want anything

964
01:15:18,279 --> 01:15:21,680
like that. We won't achieve with
the public. Is basically not in those

965
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:26,479
words, but that's basically what they
said. They don't bother us with a

966
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:30,039
book that. Well, my goal
is to communicate with the people that are

967
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:31,680
intelligent enough to understand and appreciate this, and there are a lot of them

968
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,560
out there, including your listeners there. But I'm going to do it if

969
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:40,640
I live long enough and can get
this done. All this, I mean,

970
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,640
people haven't seen what I got even
here in my house, thousands of

971
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,520
dinosaurs, well over a thousand dinosaur
tracks and tracts of other animals that were

972
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:51,720
living with the doose. But if
I can ever get through this of writing

973
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:56,880
this scient paper and maybe writing the
books on that, and I'm still living,

974
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,960
I won't to do But here's the
problem. I'm not old fashioned,

975
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,159
but in this way I am.
I want it. I appreciate a book

976
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:09,520
you can sit down in your easy
chair and read. I'm tired of looking

977
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,640
at a screen and trying to read
things. I prefer an old fashioned book

978
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,359
with good pictures, maybe with a
good CD in the back of it that

979
01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:19,399
shows you the most important films in
pictures on your PC when you want to

980
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:24,199
go into that mode. But I
want to do that, but I want

981
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:28,279
to do it in a way that
teaches people when I release it, that

982
01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:30,359
you It is not the idea of
showing you a movie and gee with the

983
01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:34,279
truth. Matter is, for example, these multi imaging. If you protect

984
01:16:34,319 --> 01:16:38,920
this movie and look for these multiple
imaging, you won't see it. You'll

985
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:43,119
see the object. All you'll see
is a strange vibrating blue light around the

986
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:45,359
objects. But when you take it
frame by frame, you see these are

987
01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:51,199
in tones of blue and they pulse
at high speed, multiple images appearing apparently

988
01:16:51,279 --> 01:16:56,279
in sequence around these objects. You
have to learn to look at these things

989
01:16:56,319 --> 01:17:00,720
like I look closely at dinosaur and
mammal TREATI find you look at them and

990
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,840
analyze them. It's not just for
the g with the effect of having a

991
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:09,319
t Rex track on your coffee table. It's not that kind of thing.

992
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:14,600
I want to teach people how to
look and to see these things so they

993
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,079
can begin to understand the physics and
even talk to even their children about this.

994
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:23,000
That would be my goal. So
I said, I'm not here to

995
01:17:23,079 --> 01:17:27,079
entertain. My goal is education,
and when I can get free of my

996
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:31,840
responsibilities to the Goddter's baith left center
and this wonderful discovery out there, I

997
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:36,199
will try my best to get this
out at the level that is my choice

998
01:17:36,199 --> 01:17:41,760
of presentation. Education. It's not
the g whiz, but is to educate.

999
01:17:42,319 --> 01:17:45,479
Uh huh. And the last part
of the question was, let's just

1000
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,600
say in the future, like,
you know, I actually have been to

1001
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:56,279
your house and have seen these amazing
things that you have, and I'm just

1002
01:17:56,319 --> 01:18:00,000
hoping that these you know, you
do have a plan for the future.

1003
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,960
Sure, so these things can be
preserved and brought forward to future researchers.

1004
01:18:05,399 --> 01:18:10,520
Well, yeah, I tell you, I hope that the truth of better

1005
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,720
is. You know, I'm seventy
eight years old and or seven eight years

1006
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,720
young, I prefer but you know, I have a few health issues and

1007
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:23,800
not major one tried no unfortunately,
but I am concerned. I'm concerned of

1008
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:27,039
what would do this if I suddenly
dropped dead. And I tell you truth,

1009
01:18:27,079 --> 01:18:30,159
I don't know anybody in the field
because the people that I most would

1010
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:33,560
respect if they come here and look
at it, won't come. I'm not

1011
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:39,319
going to name one PhD. But
he he has answered every letter of every

1012
01:18:39,319 --> 01:18:42,680
community with except when I invited him
to come. I even told him,

1013
01:18:43,239 --> 01:18:46,199
I said, I will if you
come here and don't agree that this is

1014
01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:49,159
worth every since you've paid to come
here, I will pay every expense you

1015
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:51,800
had in coming here. He would
need to answer that, because if he

1016
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:55,560
answered me and said he's not coming, I would then have proof that he

1017
01:18:55,560 --> 01:19:00,840
had refused to come. Now that's
I don't understand it, but I you

1018
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,439
know somebody said to me the other
day. I won't name it. Somebody

1019
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:09,439
you know that you know there may
be an ego problem here. Did Race

1020
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,000
Standford here, who has no PhD, but who got out from an early

1021
01:19:13,079 --> 01:19:17,319
age in the seventies, raised a
couple of million dollars in fund for instruments

1022
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,600
and went out and got this stuff
is doing this? It might be kind

1023
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:26,159
of embarrassing to some of these people
who present themselves on TV as UFO experts.

1024
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:29,680
I get sick of seeing talking head
UFO experts. I prefer to hear

1025
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:33,840
them talk some UFO science and can
one of them tell you even the frequency

1026
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:39,880
at which these operate, the ELF
extremely frequency magnet Fiel operates. I can

1027
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:43,680
they can they tell you? Can
they tell you? Can they Do they

1028
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:47,399
even know about the multiple imaging?
No? Do they know about the geometrics

1029
01:19:47,399 --> 01:19:50,399
around? No? And there are
a whole lot of other phenomena, including

1030
01:19:50,399 --> 01:19:54,520
the time profression. Have they ever
seen any evidence? What would it comest

1031
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,159
to evidence of time compression? Well? I have some and I've showed it

1032
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:00,760
to physicists and they say, yes, it appears from best you can understand

1033
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:05,840
that that might well be the interpretation. But I don't understand the lack of

1034
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:11,119
willingness for these people who say their
interestedness to come here. I mean,

1035
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:14,439
what have they got to lose if
it's not good. If they think it's

1036
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,159
not good, let them come here
and say so. Let them prove it.

1037
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,479
But it's not. They will know
when they say it if if they

1038
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:26,000
have a background. But I don't
care for the many of the talking heads.

1039
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,359
There is one or two people in
this field that are not talking heads

1040
01:20:30,359 --> 01:20:32,239
and don't appear on TV very often, if ever, and they're good,

1041
01:20:32,279 --> 01:20:39,279
intelligent people, but only one of
them has come Otherwise it's been scientists and

1042
01:20:39,319 --> 01:20:43,560
aerospace engineers who I enjoy talking with. But I would love to share with

1043
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,840
some of these other people. If
I, for example, now, if

1044
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:50,039
I could get somebody of the caliber
of Jacques falle to come here, who

1045
01:20:50,039 --> 01:20:54,199
said he wants to If I could
get him to come here and see it,

1046
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,680
he's the kind of guy that would
have the cloud that could tell an

1047
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:03,319
agent or a major publisher, hey, this is good stuff. Then yes,

1048
01:21:03,399 --> 01:21:05,640
I think I can get a published
to publish it, and publish it

1049
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:12,119
at an intelligence level to where it
approached where it appeals to mainstream science as

1050
01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:17,479
well as scientific intelligence minded lay people. But without the help of these people.

1051
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:21,479
Because you know, if you come
out with something and you submitted to

1052
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,520
an agent, he said, well, how do I know what this good?

1053
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,079
I don't know anything about this.
It's like a peer review without a

1054
01:21:27,119 --> 01:21:30,000
peer, with a peer that doesn't
know anything about your subject. It's not

1055
01:21:30,079 --> 01:21:31,960
fear. Well they what do they
do? They turn around and ask some

1056
01:21:32,039 --> 01:21:35,000
of these people out there that refused
to come, well, I wouldn't come

1057
01:21:35,039 --> 01:21:39,119
because you know, he doesn't have
anything to show me. I'm afraid that's

1058
01:21:39,159 --> 01:21:43,119
what they're going to say. If
such people as by though, which doesn't

1059
01:21:43,119 --> 01:21:45,479
have the kind of attitude. He's
a good guy. If I can get

1060
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:50,520
them here, then they can help
me and get a good agent and get

1061
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:55,000
this out. But it has to
be I will not give this to a

1062
01:21:55,039 --> 01:22:00,640
TV producer. I've seen the terrible, ridiculous asinine hangar one and similar things

1063
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:05,159
like that that are an insult to
the intelligent listener and watcher. It's going

1064
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:11,119
to have to be presented in the
way that I demand of a scientific paper.

1065
01:22:13,279 --> 01:22:15,800
You know, it's not going to
be sensationalized. People are not going

1066
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,560
to be shortchanged. They're going to
be given the facts, all of the

1067
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:23,600
facts, the interpretation of the facts, and then let them make their conclusions.

1068
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:27,039
There will be none of this high
that we see on TV. If

1069
01:22:27,079 --> 01:22:30,199
it ever goes to TV, it
will be completely under my control at a

1070
01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:34,079
level that would be acceptful to If
I asked some of the people at God,

1071
01:22:34,079 --> 01:22:38,239
for example, to come and view
what was planned, if they didn't

1072
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:40,640
approve of it, I wouldn't allow
it. If they approve of it,

1073
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,640
I would allow it. I want
something that is that will cause respect from

1074
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,680
mainstream size. I think I told
you. I'm sure I told you that

1075
01:22:48,359 --> 01:22:54,039
last February I did speak with Sharques
Valet out in Phoenix and did you know

1076
01:22:54,119 --> 01:22:57,079
drop your name, and you know, he seemed very interested. And I

1077
01:22:57,119 --> 01:23:00,520
know I believe Ben and Tony may
have talked to him too. I believe

1078
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,479
I'm not really sure about that.
You Now, I have something that I'm

1079
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:06,800
not going to go into here because
it might treat some people out. But

1080
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:11,600
I have some things I could have
said about that Mexico film that happened that

1081
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:15,439
Jack would love that. He absolutely
there's things that he has said in the

1082
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,560
past that it's a dovetail with a
lot of you know, people think he's

1083
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:23,319
far a thing, but look,
yeah, he meant to be right on

1084
01:23:23,359 --> 01:23:27,960
everything. Of course he's not nobody's
right on everything. But the thing is

1085
01:23:28,079 --> 01:23:31,039
he is the most intelligent, out
of the box thinker in uthology. That's

1086
01:23:31,039 --> 01:23:35,319
my opinion of him. Yeah,
and I respect him to this day,

1087
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:40,119
and that is why I would love
to share this with him. Let me

1088
01:23:40,119 --> 01:23:43,279
mention you sent me some questions,
right, There's one question I wanted to

1089
01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:46,840
answer. Someone asked, why would
you say if someone says, well,

1090
01:23:47,359 --> 01:23:53,239
those archadects were seen outside the Sacora
object were merely a pilots for a black

1091
01:23:53,239 --> 01:23:57,600
project craft. My answer to that
is, well, the person that said

1092
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:02,119
that must not have any respect for
Lani's Zamora as an observer or as an

1093
01:24:02,119 --> 01:24:09,840
honest person, because Lonnie Zamora explicitly
said from the beginning he never referred to

1094
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:14,279
them as people. He referred to
them as small figures in what resembled white

1095
01:24:14,279 --> 01:24:17,640
coveralls. He stood right there in
the ravine beside the Chryso Bush, which

1096
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,800
is adjacent to the on the north
side of the northwest landing gear imprint with

1097
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:27,319
heineke and leave there, putting his
hand at a certain limb level on the

1098
01:24:27,319 --> 01:24:30,680
bush, and said, the head
of the nearest one came right here.

1099
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,079
He's the one that turned and act
like that. He had heard my car

1100
01:24:33,359 --> 01:24:36,880
and turned around, and he looked
startled and kind of jumped. He said,

1101
01:24:38,039 --> 01:24:40,119
you can see what the head is. He said, couldn't been any

1102
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:43,359
bigger than a little kid, to
say, a ten year old kid.

1103
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,680
That is how small they were.
My answer to that, father is never

1104
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:54,960
ever or black project craft designed to
be posted by midges, because they ultimately

1105
01:24:55,000 --> 01:25:00,279
will be posted by normal full size
pilots. And by the way, don't

1106
01:25:00,279 --> 01:25:03,279
know any trained group of midges to
line back project craft anyway. But here's

1107
01:25:03,319 --> 01:25:06,319
another thing about that. Let's think
about this. That was one of the

1108
01:25:06,359 --> 01:25:13,119
things that ultimately connced lonis the more
that he was probably watching extraterrestrial beings and

1109
01:25:13,159 --> 01:25:15,640
things. He said that that one
of the things that got to him.

1110
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:20,399
He begins to suspicion the fact that
the FBI man said, look, I

1111
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:28,680
recommend you not tell people about those
little beings beside it. Now, if

1112
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:33,079
this were a black project craft,
he would have encouraged it, because then

1113
01:25:33,159 --> 01:25:35,560
it would it would make people say, hi, it was he too,

1114
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:39,319
and they wouldn't suspicion it was a
black project craft. You see what I

1115
01:25:39,359 --> 01:25:42,640
mean, It would have gone the
conversation would have gone the other way.

1116
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,880
There's evidence that the intelligence community has
done this that they love people thinking black

1117
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,560
project craft were UFOs in the past, and they would have loved to have

1118
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:54,920
done it here if it was really
a black project craft. But it wasn't.

1119
01:25:55,239 --> 01:26:00,600
So if in lines the more describing
small occupants, it clearly to an

1120
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:06,119
ET or something that that's that's not
not terrestrial wherever it comes from. And

1121
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:11,720
so I would point out that there's
a serious fallacy and even thinking that it

1122
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,960
was a black project craft that they
were trying to conceal because if they wanted

1123
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,720
to see that get people to thinking
it was an ET instead. Another.

1124
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:24,800
By the way, this is from
the forum of there's questions that are posted

1125
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:30,319
there and anyone can join our forum
at PODCASTUFO dot com. So there.

1126
01:26:30,359 --> 01:26:34,479
This one here is kind of going
along with what you just spoke about in

1127
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:41,079
that if you were approached by someone
like Jeremy Corbel to do a documentary on

1128
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:45,000
your really good investigation material over the
years, would you agree to this?

1129
01:26:45,039 --> 01:26:48,079
And you're more or less said that
if you had control of it, this

1130
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:53,520
is something that you would probably do, right. I have no idea who

1131
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,439
this person is that you mentioned.
Familiar. Yeah, well, just say

1132
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:00,760
someone like James Fox, so I
know you know him because he's he stayed

1133
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:06,399
at your house. Someone like let's
just say James Fox. Well, uh,

1134
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:10,399
first play one has to have the
financing and they haven't even got enough

1135
01:27:10,399 --> 01:27:13,560
financing to finish up the movie.
They're doing well. I told him,

1136
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,079
I said, why don't why don't
you focus on this good kind of evidence?

1137
01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:19,119
He said, no, we were
We're focusing on the cases that were

1138
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:25,640
that were unidentified from the blue but
files. You know, whatever they're called

1139
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:30,119
it seven hundred whatever you see was, which is kind of ironic and contradicted

1140
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:33,159
by the fact that they now bought
in this uh, this African case with

1141
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:38,680
the young ladies in his son that
were involved in that, which contacts that

1142
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:45,720
position. But uh, but furthermore, I I really don't care for the

1143
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:50,720
person who had you know, James
was the uh I guess the producer,

1144
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:57,960
but the guy that's the director of
it, I really uh crossed ways with

1145
01:27:58,079 --> 01:28:01,199
him, and I don't like the
way he treated me, the things he

1146
01:28:01,279 --> 01:28:06,640
said to me, And I wouldn't
work with any movie that he was just

1147
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:12,199
behind it as a director. Yeah, if you felt James is a great

1148
01:28:12,199 --> 01:28:14,359
guy, James Fox is a great
guy. I'm not talking about him.

1149
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,960
Yeah, okay, I guess.
So the question is if you felt comfortable

1150
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:20,159
with someone that was going to really
do a good film, and you did

1151
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:25,319
have some control over what was happening, I'd have to have total control.

1152
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:29,199
I well, not just some control. I would have to see every bit

1153
01:28:29,239 --> 01:28:32,720
of it. It's just like my
uncle friend brother was a professor at Saint

1154
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:39,720
John's University of years and and he's
very careful about seeing for anything that's published

1155
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:44,039
that he says or this based even
publication, based on a scientific paper thing

1156
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:48,479
that he has total review rights,
total review rights, and the ability to

1157
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:55,039
uh nix anything that is not pretending
things accurately. And I would have to

1158
01:28:55,119 --> 01:28:58,720
have that. But if you know, if somebody would bother, somebody,

1159
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:02,000
good producer with good money financing would
come if they see this, don't let

1160
01:29:02,079 --> 01:29:05,960
me explain. If they if they
spend a week here and let me show

1161
01:29:06,039 --> 01:29:12,279
them and explain why this is so
beyond. I mean, you've heard me

1162
01:29:12,319 --> 01:29:16,600
say it. Maybe Morton, I've
said. These people that are streaming disclosure

1163
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,800
disclosure big liar uncle Sam, who's
lied to us in the nineteen forties,

1164
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,039
tell us it's true. Who ask
a liar to tell you the truth?

1165
01:29:25,039 --> 01:29:30,640
You know? They ought to have
a disclosure project on me. Someone wrote

1166
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:34,119
on the message board. Heinick was
never convinced that Zamora the Zamora case was

1167
01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:40,600
extraterrestrial nature. I was unaware of
that. Is that so well? I

1168
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:45,359
would consider that. I'll put it
bluntly bs okay in the first place,

1169
01:29:46,119 --> 01:29:50,560
Heinich. Let's understand this, Heinich. He talked about both sides of his

1170
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:55,840
mouth. He told at the fort
Smith UFO conference the media gathering there,

1171
01:29:56,039 --> 01:29:59,319
he said, no one can get
direct evidence of UFOs. You can only

1172
01:29:59,319 --> 01:30:02,479
study reports because they're too unpredictable.
No one can get instrument in evidence.

1173
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:06,600
But guess what Before that, and
for years after that until he died,

1174
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:11,119
every time he saw me he would
say, hey, ray, he knew

1175
01:30:11,119 --> 01:30:15,319
I had the instruments, Get me
a spectrum. And also he brought two

1176
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,520
flight experienced astronauts to our office and
us and had me show them all these

1177
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,960
amazing pictures from the twelve Tweve seventy
seven movie and so on, and they

1178
01:30:23,039 --> 01:30:25,960
jumped out of their chairs when I
told him I had a recording gravel meter.

1179
01:30:26,199 --> 01:30:28,279
They were so thrilled. They said, that's where you're going to get

1180
01:30:28,319 --> 01:30:31,279
the good stuff. How did they
know? And Heinig didn't even didn't say,

1181
01:30:31,279 --> 01:30:33,319
hey, guys, how do you
know? I think he already knew,

1182
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:41,960
but I understand he Heinech. He
also had another harpositis. Heinick was

1183
01:30:42,119 --> 01:30:45,600
very metaphysical, you know. He
was a member of this metaphysical organization,

1184
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,560
one of the so called Rosa Crucian
orders in Kalla, not to be confused

1185
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:54,640
with the Order AMRC, but a
different one. I don't know if the

1186
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,319
guy's name was Max Heinel or what
his name was, but he was involved

1187
01:30:57,359 --> 01:31:01,319
with that. He had some very
mystical ideas, and we've sat in my

1188
01:31:01,399 --> 01:31:08,000
living room in Austin several times in
talked at linked about this. He really

1189
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:13,039
felt that there was a higher dimension
to this, and there probably is.

1190
01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:16,560
If I if I said all that
I could say here tonight, even about

1191
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:21,159
that case down in Mexico, they
might realize that it's way beyond I will

1192
01:31:21,159 --> 01:31:25,800
want people. No matter what you
think, these things are, at least

1193
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:30,880
some of them are your way way
off. They are so strange that I'm

1194
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,279
not sure that not only we don't
I know we don't understand it, but

1195
01:31:33,319 --> 01:31:38,880
I'm not sure we're capable at this
stage of understanding it. And so in

1196
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:43,079
a way, Heinech I think had
some truth. If you say he didn't

1197
01:31:43,079 --> 01:31:46,720
believe it was et no, I
think that's wrong because of I mean understand,

1198
01:31:47,039 --> 01:31:54,159
we had numerous conversations at our house
and in our office, and that's

1199
01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:58,600
kind of the underestimating Heinech. It's
just that he may not ever have wanted

1200
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:00,359
to say that publicly. Maybe somebody
knows him, and he said that at

1201
01:32:00,359 --> 01:32:05,640
some point, but I can guarantee
you that this Urkor case was really the

1202
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:11,800
straw that broke the Campbell's back to
convince Alan that this was a most important

1203
01:32:12,039 --> 01:32:16,800
subject. There were other things,
that this was the straw. Wow,

1204
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,680
that's amazing, And he said that. He said that to me, I

1205
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:24,079
mean, he loved that, and
he loved Lniesimore and you that he was

1206
01:32:24,079 --> 01:32:27,279
one of the most wonderful, objective, honest men he'd ever met. Right,

1207
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:32,800
I remember that, and so did
you. Did you actually know Alan

1208
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:40,560
well enough to see the transition that
he made between being an investigator for a

1209
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:45,840
project blue book and to actually,
you know, believing there was a lot,

1210
01:32:45,079 --> 01:32:47,880
a lot going on. Well?
Sure. Now, my first contract

1211
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:55,800
with Alan was in nineteen fifty nine. It was related to the multi witness

1212
01:32:55,960 --> 01:33:00,960
to simultaneous color daylight movie films of
a Mothership with Muller Abbe that we filmed

1213
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:05,960
on July twenty eighth, nineteen fifty
nine, and he communicated I have a

1214
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:11,560
file an inch and a half thick
of correspondents related to that case involving him

1215
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:15,560
and another astronomer that he was working
with. I think it was at Harvard

1216
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:23,880
Observatory that not to be confused with
mental but getting a hold of getting from

1217
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:29,399
me copies of the film to look
at and extensively he appreciated that my total

1218
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:33,840
cooperation with the Air Force. That's
why when you see that was where he

1219
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:38,560
knew me from. And there was
nineteen fifty nine. Well in nineteen sixty

1220
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,000
four or five years later, a
little less four and a half years later,

1221
01:33:41,079 --> 01:33:45,520
let's say, when Lonnie came in
and he was gets getting ready to

1222
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,760
go into the interview with Heinik,
and I said, Donnie, looked,

1223
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:54,439
Alan Honick knows me from nineteen fifty
nine UFO case down in Carpus Christi where

1224
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:57,039
we filmed some of these things.
I said, would you please tell him

1225
01:33:57,039 --> 01:33:59,600
that Ray Stanford, the guy that
was involved with that, is here and

1226
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,520
would love to talk to him.
And he said, oh, will and

1227
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:05,920
guess what he did. That's why
the next morning, when I was at

1228
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:14,039
a supposed was supposed to be a
closed session with Zamora and Sam Chalvias,

1229
01:34:14,359 --> 01:34:18,359
the police sergeant New Mexico State Police
down at the landing site, when the

1230
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:24,199
police dispatcher called down there and said, can can I send Ray Stanford down

1231
01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:28,880
there? And uh uh, Chalvis
got on the phone and said, no,

1232
01:34:29,159 --> 01:34:32,279
this is closed, nobody's coming in
here. He grabbed the grab the

1233
01:34:32,359 --> 01:34:35,039
radio telphone backrophone and said no,
no, no, no, no,

1234
01:34:35,039 --> 01:34:39,119
no, I race taverage. Sure, send him down here. That's why.

1235
01:34:39,319 --> 01:34:43,760
And uh we became good friends.
And uh after that, he called

1236
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,239
me up one day and said,
Ray, I'm I'm in Phoenix to address

1237
01:34:46,279 --> 01:34:51,359
the Founder's Day reception. Uh,
the Northwest University Founders Day reception down here

1238
01:34:51,359 --> 01:34:56,279
at this resort in north of Paradise
Fare. Scott steelsonwhere out there, and

1239
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,439
he said, I really would like
you to be my guest, and I

1240
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,640
like to, you know, have
dinner with you and so on and so

1241
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:05,680
forth. And we did. And
after that he visited me several times.

1242
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:10,319
He fitched me in San Antonio.
He visited me again and again in Austin,

1243
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:15,039
and we have very good relationship.
I'll close that part by saying my

1244
01:35:15,119 --> 01:35:17,159
funniest moment with Heineg was one time
when I went to pick came up at

1245
01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:20,600
the airport and he had a leather
briefcase and I said, Alan, let

1246
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:24,840
me camp you it with something,
and I grabbed the big suitcase. He

1247
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:26,199
said, oh no, no,
no, no, no, no,

1248
01:35:26,319 --> 01:35:30,199
let me carry that he said,
you take my briefcase. Well, I

1249
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:33,119
picked up this briefcase and it felt
like it weighed forty five pounds. I

1250
01:35:33,119 --> 01:35:38,960
couldn't believe it. And I said, Alan, what in the world is

1251
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:42,079
in this briefcase? Do you collect
me to rites? He said, oh

1252
01:35:42,119 --> 01:35:44,239
no, oh no, and he
laughed. He said, let me show

1253
01:35:44,279 --> 01:35:48,279
you. He opened it up and
here was the most expensive bottles of whiskey

1254
01:35:48,319 --> 01:35:51,119
I've ever seen. And I said, Alan, I didn't think you were

1255
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:54,520
much of a whiskey fan. He
said, I'm not. He said,

1256
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,439
I'm going to a meeting with airline. Paula said, I will loosen him

1257
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:03,840
up to talk about UFOs. Oh
that's something. Wow. So another question

1258
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:08,720
on the forum, and uh,
this is something that I actually saw with

1259
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:12,560
my own eyes and and I hate
to sound like a teaser out there for

1260
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,840
the person that will not get a
chance to see it, but this has

1261
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:20,600
to do with the had you had
a chance to do any analysis of the

1262
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:26,840
photo which you recently noticed something seems
to resemble the so Coral craft And I

1263
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:30,760
will say, seeing that with my
own eyes, that was the one photo

1264
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:36,600
I was totally blown away when I
visited you. And I know you want

1265
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:41,039
to be real careful with that.
Can you explain what you're going to look

1266
01:36:41,119 --> 01:36:44,880
to that? I just went there. I have a whole power part presentation

1267
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:45,760
of that. I went the other
night, and man, I'll tell you,

1268
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,960
it takes everything in me to control
myself. And I say, I'm

1269
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:54,600
going to show this to the world, but I'm I'm I'm already in science

1270
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:59,600
and I can't because I have to
get time away from this, uh this

1271
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:03,239
project to God or this incredibly context
scientific paper. Imagine scientific paper that's going

1272
01:37:03,279 --> 01:37:09,439
to be about fifty pages long with
huge numbers of photographs and discussions, and

1273
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:12,039
you know you have to do it
right when you do that, and it's

1274
01:37:12,079 --> 01:37:17,079
taking time. But when I get
through it that then I can go.

1275
01:37:17,159 --> 01:37:19,560
I have all these files, tay. I mean, I have my oldest

1276
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:24,520
files from I have an old file
made out of that. I made a

1277
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:28,920
little boards myself as a fifteen year
old kid that has old files in it.

1278
01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:30,520
I go all the way back and
got all these files. I have

1279
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:34,800
to go through them and try to
find the original negatives and original prints of

1280
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:39,640
that photograph. They're here somewhere.
Then when I look at them, if

1281
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:43,640
that is optical, man, I
will be thrilled to release it. But

1282
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:47,479
unless I can see proof that these
are real optical images as a result of

1283
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:53,159
you know, light interacting with the
emotion of the film, I can't release

1284
01:37:53,399 --> 01:37:56,560
this. If I release this,
as you may know, it would go

1285
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:00,319
viral tonight. Yeah it was.
Actually it looks just like what lots of

1286
01:38:00,359 --> 01:38:03,439
motorscribed. Yeah, I mean,
I'm trying to hold myself here because I'll

1287
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:09,319
just tell you that it was actually
one of the most things. Well,

1288
01:38:09,359 --> 01:38:12,520
I'm gonna just say it. It's
the most incredible UFO photo I've ever seen,

1289
01:38:14,039 --> 01:38:16,680
And I just hope that you do
get the time to check out the

1290
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:21,760
source of the original to make sure
that it's not some type of anomaly.

1291
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:25,680
But I mean, I don't understand
how it possibly could be. Yeah.

1292
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:29,079
Yeah, If it isn't just a
normally some kind of crap that got on

1293
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:32,800
the negative or the template, the
glass template the guy that printed the photo

1294
01:38:33,239 --> 01:38:39,079
was using, then I'll have to
say I'll have to refer to one of

1295
01:38:39,399 --> 01:38:45,079
Chris O'Brien's books and say the trickster
must have been involved. Yeah, yeah,

1296
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:47,399
that would be really bisarre and it's
crazy to think that that would be.

1297
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:50,920
That it might be, but I
want to be cautious. Yeah,

1298
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,359
and even then I might release it
and say, look, okay, this

1299
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:56,840
is an artifact. But god,
how in the world did this happen?

1300
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:01,840
What are the chances statistically of just
getting some crap on a negative that looks

1301
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:04,920
just like what long? Is the
word described? Exactly what he described?

1302
01:39:05,159 --> 01:39:08,319
Yeah, exactly? And that bothers
me. I mean, you know,

1303
01:39:09,159 --> 01:39:12,479
maybe the universe is stranger. Did
we ever imagine as well? As I

1304
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:15,399
said a while ago, maybe a
stranger than we can imagine? Yeah?

1305
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:17,680
Yeah, And I totally agree with
you. You probably heard me say that

1306
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:21,079
since you listened to the show,
that these things are probably something that we

1307
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:28,119
can't even understand. And I do
agree with that. That's probably what Some

1308
01:39:28,199 --> 01:39:33,119
of the things that we are seeing
are just beyond our comprehension. Another question

1309
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:41,680
in the forum was what other physical
evidence exists at this time regarding this SoCoRo

1310
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:47,199
case if anything. Well, oh, let me say that I totally dismiss

1311
01:39:47,319 --> 01:39:57,399
the claims of Mary G. Mays
to the physicist with the institutent, I'm

1312
01:39:57,399 --> 01:40:01,039
sorry, physicians, yo, Jim
McDonald, I totally dismissed those I've done

1313
01:40:01,079 --> 01:40:04,560
a pretty thorough investigation of her now
and found out that at that time when

1314
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:12,960
she started that story around, she
was employed by a corporation in New Mexico.

1315
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,119
I have ama files. I'm not
a name because I can't remember off

1316
01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:18,199
the top of my head, but
that was definitely involved with government contracts,

1317
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:23,880
and I believe that this was an
attempt to in case MacDonald's going to take

1318
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:28,199
a serious interest, is to sidetrack
him into something that later would be disproven.

1319
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:30,760
I say this because after she did
that, she even dropped in at

1320
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:35,520
his office one day to try to
convince him, seemingly about this. But

1321
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:43,640
guess what, after all this died
down, she changed her name right after

1322
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:45,960
this. Her name was changed and
all her scientific papers have a different name.

1323
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,279
I have the name of my files, by the way she used to

1324
01:40:48,319 --> 01:40:51,840
see. She died I think November
a year ago, this pat Newgamer.

1325
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:56,000
I could be wrong. I don't
remember the date, but I have a

1326
01:40:56,000 --> 01:41:00,239
whole lot of details and information on
her. There are some very He was

1327
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:04,600
involved in a lot of things related
to the government and relationship to nuclear testing

1328
01:41:05,319 --> 01:41:10,159
and the effects on organisms and plant
life and animal life and so on,

1329
01:41:10,199 --> 01:41:13,239
because you know, there was a
lot of nuclear testing going on in those

1330
01:41:13,279 --> 01:41:17,479
periods and so she had a pretty
high level of security clearance, and I

1331
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:21,840
believe this was a put up job. Furthermore, I have a complete correspondence

1332
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:30,239
of doctor McDonald's copies of it with
persons in secoral and believe me, one

1333
01:41:30,279 --> 01:41:34,199
of the persons, who is a
scientist who who was employed at at the

1334
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:43,319
university there absolutely talk to everybody involved
and there was no such thing as these

1335
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:47,760
rifts of moat and glass in the
ravine in the first place. Ted Jordan

1336
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:53,119
didn't see him, and he went
around photographing anything that was interesting. And

1337
01:41:53,159 --> 01:41:56,800
by the way, I just came
across a government document that shows that they

1338
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:01,760
did have his pictures developed that heinez
as they would not release back to him

1339
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:08,359
because they showed effects of radiation.
I have a document that shows that they

1340
01:42:08,359 --> 01:42:12,279
were in fact in the hands of
an officer whose name I have there in

1341
01:42:12,359 --> 01:42:16,720
Zacoro. By I mean it was
Sunday, and so this proved that,

1342
01:42:18,399 --> 01:42:23,239
well, they had his pictures there. And I'm going to say too much,

1343
01:42:23,319 --> 01:42:27,960
but except I believe that they had
them there because the pictures showed effects

1344
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,079
of radiation and they wanted to look
at them. I think they showed part

1345
01:42:30,079 --> 01:42:35,399
of the scene but and and and
the landing traces, but they wanted to

1346
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:41,000
look at them in the context of
the glows or effects on the film in

1347
01:42:41,079 --> 01:42:45,319
certain areas, so they would know
where to look with the radiation device,

1348
01:42:45,359 --> 01:42:47,720
probably a similator counter. I hope
it was better than a Gaga counter that

1349
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:53,800
they used there. And but I
do believe that the story that she spread

1350
01:42:54,319 --> 01:42:58,479
was she spread it. She had
fairly recently gone to work for this corporation,

1351
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:00,159
and I believe that it was one
of these put up jobs. But

1352
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:04,920
the intelligently immunity to try to sidetrack
and ultimately make if he took this case

1353
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:11,399
seriously and pushed this as evidence to
make him look foolish. Well, getting

1354
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:17,000
back, just going off that topic, but what is your take on this?

1355
01:43:17,159 --> 01:43:20,760
Another one from the form, what
is your take on UFO sightings reported

1356
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:27,199
around nuclear missile basis? Well,
I certainly accept that a lot of them

1357
01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:29,479
more I'm not sure that every all
of them are, but I think a

1358
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:32,159
lot of them are. There's a
history. I mean, Bluebug admitted that

1359
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:36,439
there was tremendous concentration of things around
White Sands, and of course the reason

1360
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:43,119
we went out to White Sands in
July on July nineteen, nineteen seventy eight,

1361
01:43:43,159 --> 01:43:50,039
and beyond was because I had been
on the Phil Donahues Show. And

1362
01:43:50,119 --> 01:43:53,880
what happened was, I'm just trying
to get a shirt off here. I'm

1363
01:43:53,880 --> 01:44:00,159
making some noise of getting gound of
hot in this room. But I on

1364
01:44:00,199 --> 01:44:03,840
the show, and the sister of
a scientist physical scientist working in White Sands

1365
01:44:04,119 --> 01:44:06,159
heard me, and she didn't realize
we were there and off now, and

1366
01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:10,000
how she'd missed it. We been
on so much TV in the newspaper,

1367
01:44:10,359 --> 01:44:13,079
but she had missed it, and
when she heard it, she got excited.

1368
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:15,960
She called her brother. The scientists
White Sands looked together. They'd had

1369
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:20,439
an incredible close ratings siding with probable
abduction when they were little kids, and

1370
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:25,000
so she called him and said,
hey, Bubba, by guys, this

1371
01:44:25,079 --> 01:44:28,520
guy has his lab with all this
fantacy equipment right here outside of Austin,

1372
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:31,319
and jeez, I thought you'd like
to know about it. He said,

1373
01:44:31,359 --> 01:44:34,560
Listen, you'd better get them to
come out here. He said, for

1374
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:38,479
the last several weeks, we've been
plagued by these things so much so that

1375
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:43,520
we have a directive from intelligence to
use any means at our disposable disposal to

1376
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:46,199
obtain intelligence on these objects. He
said, I can't get them on the

1377
01:44:46,199 --> 01:44:49,399
base, but if they will sneak
around it, I can guarantee him they're

1378
01:44:49,399 --> 01:44:53,840
going to see them. Well,
of course that's not unusual. White Sands

1379
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:58,159
had been plagued off and on numerous
times, and we went out and by

1380
01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:00,720
golly before we got there West tex
it's just west of Plains, Texas,

1381
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:05,680
in broad daylight. We got incredible
film and we got our first magnetometer recordings

1382
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:10,520
with direct correlations with the maneuvers.
We didn't get a gravel meter at that

1383
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:13,640
time because we were so excited.
We've forgot to put the grab meters since

1384
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:18,439
you're out of the Silbarado four wheel
drive that we had, and so it

1385
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:23,760
was too noise stuff from being in
the vehicle. But I guarantee you after

1386
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:27,600
that that night, when we encountered
the two objects communicating with lighted panels and

1387
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:31,159
the communication attempt on the edge of
White Sands occurring up on the Spota Peak,

1388
01:45:32,039 --> 01:45:35,760
I guarantee you we had it out
and we got some fantastic and wonderful

1389
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:41,039
stuff. But that's just one more
example of these objects being around there.

1390
01:45:41,079 --> 01:45:46,680
You remember nineteen fifty seven. All
the sightings occurred soon after Sputting was launched,

1391
01:45:47,039 --> 01:45:50,520
and these objects were coming down the
middle of roads and affecting vehicles.

1392
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:55,079
Well, I had a friend that
was working for the government in checking on

1393
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:00,319
efficient use of funding and waste,
and he was at white Stands doing that

1394
01:46:00,399 --> 01:46:02,640
and he actually saw one of these
objects at night. He went to the

1395
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:06,399
head of intelligence White Sands, dutifully
and said, look, I saw that

1396
01:46:06,399 --> 01:46:09,680
thing too, let me tell you
what I saw. Well, they became

1397
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:13,760
friends and ultimately they had of intelligence
that White Sands showed him the old lack

1398
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:17,039
and white movie of the V two
being launched, and of these objects multiple

1399
01:46:17,079 --> 01:46:20,720
I think two or three. I'm
circulating around, circling right around it as

1400
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:24,039
it flew up, and then finally
flying off in the distance, leaving it

1401
01:46:24,119 --> 01:46:27,279
like about out of hell. He
actually showed that to him, and my

1402
01:46:27,279 --> 01:46:31,600
friend saw it. Wow. So
you know, the fight that area is

1403
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:34,760
an area that they've taken interest in, and there's no reason they wouldn't take

1404
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:38,800
interest in the missileside. To tell
you too, I think there is a

1405
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:44,000
group of them that is quite concerned
about that we might destroy ourselves. And

1406
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:47,079
of course I'm getting even more concerned
about it now when we hear what's happened

1407
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:57,840
m the I think you already answered
this, But since you've been investigating the

1408
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:02,800
subject for so many decades, have
you any change of UFO sightings from the

1409
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:11,239
beginning till now? I do not
believe that the basic shape of these things

1410
01:47:11,279 --> 01:47:15,159
have changed at all. I mean, for example, I can show you

1411
01:47:15,239 --> 01:47:18,359
some of my films that Mothership.
They've fit in directly with the stuff described

1412
01:47:18,359 --> 01:47:25,000
in France in nineteen fifties. And
the delta objects had been described even well

1413
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:28,560
before that, even in painting from
way back, as you may know,

1414
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:32,640
and I guess it was what is
the fifteen hundreds of sixteen seventeen hundreds whatever

1415
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:39,520
in Europe, And these things are
so advanced, I wouldn't be surprised if

1416
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:42,600
some of these things we see are
not hundreds of thousands of years old.

1417
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,039
And I wouldn't be surprised if some
of these cultures that might be coming here

1418
01:47:45,359 --> 01:47:50,239
are from suns that are vastly older
than their own, and that long ago

1419
01:47:51,039 --> 01:47:56,039
that planets were only nests from which
they as birds hatched, and they fly

1420
01:47:56,119 --> 01:47:59,720
to the universe, not traveling space, but traveling space time I believe that

1421
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:04,119
out side or atmosphere where they need
magneto hydnamic proportion, that they actually use

1422
01:48:04,279 --> 01:48:08,720
field proportion of a type that does
not make me hydnamic at all, but

1423
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:14,720
that involves space time itself, such
as you know, you hear the Abiquire

1424
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,680
or whatever the guy's name is,
space time drive something like that, in

1425
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:23,640
which I think they don't travel an
influent number of locations in this space time,

1426
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:30,159
but they actually work space time and
move themselves forward in it. Amazing,

1427
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:36,760
Wow, amazing. So we got
about ten minutes left trying to I

1428
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:41,720
know that you wanted to cover a
lot of different topics, and have we

1429
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:45,119
done a pretty good job at doing
everything you want to We have. However,

1430
01:48:45,239 --> 01:48:49,000
we missed one topic. Okay,
if these, if anybody is listening,

1431
01:48:49,159 --> 01:48:55,119
that I consider important in this field
and sincere and on the level and

1432
01:48:55,520 --> 01:49:01,479
scientifically aren't miss You know, people
study these reports of occupants. Well,

1433
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:09,399
we have daylight film in which multi
witnesses in which we have occupants visible in

1434
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:13,640
the craft. Now I've showed these
two key major people, including a God's

1435
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:17,880
Faith Last Center, and they have
held it very acceptable. One of these,

1436
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:20,960
the one we call guard, that
was filmed in the afternoon of July

1437
01:49:21,079 --> 01:49:24,880
twenty seventh, nineteen seventy eight.
We went on that trip because of what

1438
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:27,359
we learned from the gout in White
Sense, and we got over in Phoenix

1439
01:49:27,399 --> 01:49:30,159
from the Skull Valley overlooked from the
mothership. In the distance, this object

1440
01:49:30,199 --> 01:49:33,359
and other objects approached. As I
said, we got the recordings of the

1441
01:49:33,359 --> 01:49:38,560
magneto or the gravel meter output in
this on the stoord. But in this

1442
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:42,039
case this thing is sitting. You
can see the emitters. You encount the

1443
01:49:42,039 --> 01:49:45,600
emitters on the side of his vehicle. You can see the panels. These

1444
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:48,800
vehicles are usually most people think disc
around. They're not. Most of them

1445
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:53,039
are actually made out of sections if
they were put together like a pie,

1446
01:49:53,119 --> 01:49:58,239
and they are actually polygonal. It's
that when the plasma world's around them,

1447
01:49:58,319 --> 01:50:02,439
it looks circular and you can actually
see the emitters. You can see inside

1448
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:05,159
there. You can see that he's
sitting there with his left arm on his

1449
01:50:05,359 --> 01:50:11,079
left thigh presumably, and his right
arm is up on something that may be

1450
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:15,920
an instrument or something. But he's
looking straight, dead straight at us down

1451
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:19,239
there with the camera and the instruments. In the best picture, but my

1452
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:23,840
favorite one is probably not that one. My favorite one is the one when

1453
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:27,039
he had the group of six people
in their front yard and an object over

1454
01:50:27,079 --> 01:50:30,600
the mothership suddenly vanished and at a
five hundred of a second, the next

1455
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:33,720
time you see a couple of streaks, that stops, and you see that

1456
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:38,159
he stopped, and you can actually
look inside and you can see what I

1457
01:50:38,199 --> 01:50:43,199
believe to be a little guy with
big ears. I'm not kidding, this

1458
01:50:43,359 --> 01:50:47,239
is real. In that case,
we had six witnesses in their front yard.

1459
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:50,239
We had a total of thirteen witnesses
to the mothership, and some of

1460
01:50:50,239 --> 01:50:56,159
the smaller out in Lano and one
witness in San Angelos as the mothership went

1461
01:50:56,159 --> 01:51:00,399
on over. But one of the
witnesses, this was a tax learn his

1462
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:02,840
wife and man. They were thrilled
when they saw the picture that we'd gotten

1463
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:06,760
of Big Ears, as we call
him. I mean, he said that

1464
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:10,560
this scares me so much, right, he said, He said, I

1465
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:13,359
can't look at it. He said, I'm afraid it's going to make me

1466
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:18,840
religious, and I don't want to
turn religious. Yeah, but right now,

1467
01:51:19,239 --> 01:51:26,199
one other question, have you ever
looked into have you ever thought about

1468
01:51:26,239 --> 01:51:30,840
the theory that people do talk about
that you know these some of these craft

1469
01:51:31,159 --> 01:51:35,680
that people are seeing could be multi
dimensional. Well, see, they have

1470
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:39,319
to define that. The trouble is
they never define that what they mean by

1471
01:51:39,399 --> 01:51:42,119
multi dimensional, I mean we're multi
dimension. Let's say we're three dimensional and

1472
01:51:42,159 --> 01:51:45,920
the physical there's time the fourth dimension, so we're multidimensional. See when they

1473
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:50,199
talk that, they're talking a fantasy. We need a definition of what they

1474
01:51:50,239 --> 01:51:54,119
mean by multi dimensional. I mean
people, then we'll start talking about thanks

1475
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:57,920
and strength theory usually, but the
truth is not only do not most people

1476
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:00,640
not understand what strength theory is out. Truth of the matter is, strength

1477
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:04,039
theory is still theory and it is
far far from proven. I'm not saying

1478
01:52:04,079 --> 01:52:10,039
it's not valid, but see that
doesn't displine it. We need these physical

1479
01:52:10,199 --> 01:52:15,000
records of film and electronic to analyze
and see. Yes, some of this

1480
01:52:15,039 --> 01:52:18,359
evidence I'm talking about it may lead
us to a lot of exotic conclusions that

1481
01:52:18,399 --> 01:52:23,680
we did not anticipate. I'll tell
in brief I'll try to condense this.

1482
01:52:24,199 --> 01:52:27,920
But I interviewed a very sincerean woman
who was a student at the same college

1483
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:31,199
that two of my own kids got
their degrees from and in Texas in San

1484
01:52:31,439 --> 01:52:36,199
Marcus and she had been out with
two other girls procrastinating studying for their tests.

1485
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:40,680
And they went out, you know
as kids, well you know,

1486
01:52:41,319 --> 01:52:45,279
finding excuse to not study, but
they knowing they should. They encountered the

1487
01:52:45,359 --> 01:52:49,039
UFO. They saw strange things crossing
the road in front of them. Their

1488
01:52:49,079 --> 01:52:54,600
car got out of control and floated
above the road, and they got the

1489
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:59,479
boy skeeared out of them and they
had missing time. When they came back

1490
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:03,159
down the scat, the car was
put back down on the ground. They

1491
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:08,479
went back to their dorm. They
found out what really blew their minds was

1492
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:10,520
they found out they didn't need to
talk to each other. They could read

1493
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:15,359
each other's thoughts for a while.
And but the worst thing was the pupils

1494
01:53:15,399 --> 01:53:20,560
of their eyes glowed, and they
got They were so late from being abducted

1495
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:25,479
that the darm mother had locked the
dorm and they had to ring for her,

1496
01:53:26,079 --> 01:53:29,479
and they rang, and she came
to the door and saw them with

1497
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:33,119
their pupils blowing. Wow that is, and then they went up to their

1498
01:53:33,199 --> 01:53:36,680
room. Well let me tell you
the rest of the story. Years later.

1499
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:41,439
Now, this young lady she graduated
and she got married, and I

1500
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:44,439
didn't know who she got married to. Well, there was two friends of

1501
01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:47,760
mine came into town to Louisiana,
and one of them coming said, look,

1502
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:50,439
my buddy's here with me. I've
told him that story about that girl

1503
01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:54,600
that got inducted in their eyes glowed. He said he wants to meet her.

1504
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:58,359
Could you contact her and we'll treat
you to dinner, take you charge

1505
01:53:58,399 --> 01:54:00,159
of your restaurant. And I said, well, I have no way to

1506
01:54:00,159 --> 01:54:03,399
contact her because she got married.
I don't know her marit name. Okay

1507
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:06,680
one in the first place, let
me say she's been married for you know,

1508
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:10,079
three years or so. If you
go out to eat, you choose

1509
01:54:10,079 --> 01:54:12,479
a nice restaurant. There are many
wonderful restaurants in Austin. If you know

1510
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:16,479
Austin, you don't choose a restaurant
in a hotel. They're the worst restaurants

1511
01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:20,199
anywok. And so I said,
well, look, this is nearby where

1512
01:54:20,239 --> 01:54:24,079
you're staying with us. Go in
this hotel. You know'd be halfway Digent's

1513
01:54:24,079 --> 01:54:28,560
food. So we sat down in
this hotel and we're sitting there talking and

1514
01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:31,479
I and all of a sudden there's
a guy and his wife come in and

1515
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:35,039
sat down at the table neck and
the Maitre Date setting down to the table

1516
01:54:35,079 --> 01:54:41,279
next to us, and she kept
looking over at me, and after a

1517
01:54:41,359 --> 01:54:44,319
few minutes she a little nervously got
up and she said, pardon me.

1518
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:47,039
She said, you raise standard,
aren't you? And I said yes.

1519
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:49,560
She said, do you know who
I am? I said, well,

1520
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:53,279
you look vague for me there,
but I'm not sure. She said,

1521
01:54:54,159 --> 01:54:57,279
you know the one that we got
floated off the road that we were procstivating

1522
01:54:57,279 --> 01:55:00,680
our tests. So let me tell
you. Those two guys are almost collapsed

1523
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:04,479
out of their seats fell, I
mean their jaws dropped, and minded to

1524
01:55:05,439 --> 01:55:10,319
tell me how is the universe made? Morton? Yeah, And she and

1525
01:55:10,399 --> 01:55:15,199
her husband showed up at that unlikely
place to eat in Austin, right there

1526
01:55:15,239 --> 01:55:17,920
beside us, when they had asked, see it. There is somebody else,

1527
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,800
something else in control that we don't
understand. And people try to put

1528
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:25,560
it into a box and just say, ah, it's aliens, you know,

1529
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:29,760
tourists coming here. At least some
of it is way beyond that.

1530
01:55:30,199 --> 01:55:32,079
And I don't understand it. But
I will swear my life on a stack

1531
01:55:32,119 --> 01:55:35,720
of Bibles, which I don't even
believe in swearing ome because I don't think

1532
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:40,560
the Bible that seriously as being ultimate
truth. But I was swear on the

1533
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:44,720
lie detector that story is absolutely true, and those two guys of this day

1534
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:46,880
would tell you it's the most amazing
thing ever happened to them. Now,

1535
01:55:47,039 --> 01:55:50,880
is that the first time, since
you've been at this a long time and

1536
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:55,680
we only have like two minutes left, is that the first time that you

1537
01:55:55,840 --> 01:56:00,520
had ever heard of missing time?
Or if not, when the first time

1538
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:03,079
you actually heard someone described that.
The first time I heard a missing time

1539
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:08,439
was when my article about our experience
of party rolland with police witnesses and police

1540
01:56:08,479 --> 01:56:13,199
Sabbath David Spirit of Faith magazine in
nineteen fifty six, and the son of

1541
01:56:13,359 --> 01:56:16,760
a retired Air Force general in San
Antonio came and contacted me, and then

1542
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:19,479
he had to go out to a
family reunion thing out in New Mexico.

1543
01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:23,640
And he called me back and he
said, listen, he said, you

1544
01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:26,600
know you talked about you know you
believe in in those days, I believe

1545
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:29,359
the Danskin was high. Cool kid. He said this is He said,

1546
01:56:29,399 --> 01:56:31,039
I think that's a bunch of crap, because he said I was diving out

1547
01:56:31,079 --> 01:56:36,760
there and his little MG and he
said this damn this suddenly appeared in front

1548
01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:40,560
of me, and the next thing
I knew, Cerah laid the sons of

1549
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:43,159
bitch just dropped my car down come
down to San Antonio Sea and I went

1550
01:56:43,199 --> 01:56:45,399
down there and here was the beautiful
fender of this MG was all den in

1551
01:56:45,479 --> 01:56:48,439
where they dropped him on the rocks, and he said, I don't know

1552
01:56:48,439 --> 01:56:51,279
what they did that they got me
because they put me down on the wrong

1553
01:56:51,359 --> 01:56:55,000
highway and I had to drive until
I found somebody could tell me where I

1554
01:56:55,079 --> 01:56:58,039
was for I could get back to
where I was going. That was nineteen

1555
01:56:58,079 --> 01:57:01,720
fifty six, well before of course, Wow, how about that? How

1556
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:05,920
about that? Well? Ray,
that's it for this evening. Thanks so

1557
01:57:06,079 --> 01:57:11,199
much, my pleasure. It's always
been a real pleasure to talk to you.

1558
01:57:11,239 --> 01:57:14,439
And we'll be U. I'll be
talking to you soon. And thanks

1559
01:57:14,479 --> 01:57:18,439
again for being a supporter of the
show and listening to the show. And

1560
01:57:18,920 --> 01:57:23,560
we'll have you back of course.
Okay, good hey, folks, give

1561
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:25,880
this guy some support. He has
a one off the show. Thank you,

1562
01:57:26,239 --> 01:57:30,000
all right, thanks a lot,
Ray, good night, all right,

1563
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:33,000
everyone. So that's it for the
show, and I want to thank

1564
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:38,600
everyone that helps out with the show. Alejandro Rojas Our guests. Of course

1565
01:57:38,680 --> 01:57:44,760
Ray the Dark Matter Digital Network for
running our show on Thursdays. Also,

1566
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:47,119
I want to thank Peggy for managing
the Facebook page. Remember you can like

1567
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:53,920
us on Facebook for all the latest
UFO news. Now, next week we

1568
01:57:54,039 --> 01:58:00,439
have Harry Drew. He is going
to be talking about the Kingman Arizona UFO

1569
01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:04,239
crash. I've been on the fence
about that, whether it actually happened or

1570
01:58:04,279 --> 01:58:10,079
not. It should be an interesting
show and we'll see how that goes.

1571
01:58:10,439 --> 01:58:15,359
So anyway, Happy New Year to
everyone and we will be here next week.

1572
01:58:15,479 --> 01:58:42,640
Remember to keep your eyes to the
sky.