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And welcome to the show, and
Martin willis your host. We've got a

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great guest tonight. Palmer, who
shows me a lot of things going on

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in the UFO world, sent me
a link to Jim Quirk the Quirk Zone

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on YouTube and I watched him and
it was like, Wow, this guy

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is great. So he's our guest
tonight, and he's got a great sense

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of humor, he's got a really
good background, he knows the topic,

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dives in deep. So it's a
pleasure to have him on tonight. My

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blog by Charles Lear this week on
our website podcast UFO is Russian UFO Reports

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Now. And the US Congressional Record. That's something that George Knapp he entered

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on July twenty six, when I
was actually there sitting behind him. That

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same day he entered that into Congress
that day. So that story is all

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about that. And I got to
tell you, I was up in Shag

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Harbor, did a talk up in
Shag Harbor this last weekend, got back

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on Monday, and I almost didn't
want to come home. I gotta I

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gotta tell you, it was so
much fun and I just can't believe the

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amount of people that came up to
me that listened to the show up there.

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It's really high per capita. I
did the talk. I'm going to

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show a couple of images, and
they actually make Shag Harbor beer. So

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if you haven't, if you haven't
really looked into that particular case, I

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consider it one of the top cases. It's Canada's roswell. A lot of

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people call it. I made a
video. It's on my YouTube channel and

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please do check it out. It's
I followed. Uh, this guy Laurie

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Wickens around. What a wonderful guy
he is and a lot of fun and

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he's got that really strong Nova Scotia
accident accident, accident and on a real

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swell guy, and here he is. I thought that was a fun clip

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because we were pretty far away from
Shag Harmer at that point. We pulled

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into a restaurant and they actually had
a menu with you know, a flying

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saucer on and everything for us.
And but anyway, if I started naming

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names, there's so many people that
were so great. Like I said,

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people came. One guy said he
drove three hours just to meet me.

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So it was a wonderful experience.
People were friendly, beautiful, Coastline,

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and the event happens every year.
I strongly suggest to go, and I'm

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thinking of going next year and just
taking a week up there and just going

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to the event as everyone else would
go, and just have a really good

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visit in the I have been there, you know, a few times in

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the past, but it's really a
beautiful, really beautiful location. So I

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got to hang out with some fun
people. And then of course Dan Alioto

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was there, and we're just showing
here how serious we take the UFO topic.

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So you can see that right there
anyway, So I am about ready

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to bring him my guests. Welcome
to the show, Jim, Thank you

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Martin. Good to be here.
Yeah, Jim, you have you have

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a good you know, a journalist
background, and you are you've taken on

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this you die. I've been deep. I got to ask you you must

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do. I've watched a number of
your shows and I'm going to Your shows

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are your YouTube channel and your podcast
is linked. Anyone can check it out.

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It's linked in the text below in
the show notes. For those of

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you listening to audio, you really
make a lot of good points and you

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know you're you kind of you can
kind of bem. You call people out.

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That's what I'm gonna say. You
call people out, and the people

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that you call out. I gotta
tell you, I have to agree.

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I have to agree. Now,
you and I both have kind of the

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same opinion of the encounters Steven Spielsberg
Encounters the second episode, the first episode.

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I was really glad to see past
guests and who I consider a friend.

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Matthew Roberts was on that and and
the second and a lot of other

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friends that people that have been on
the show and the episodes here, Robert

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Powell, people like that, and
the the Ariel's School incident phenomenon. I

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watched your video on that, and
you and I have kind of the same

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attitude about the naysayer, and you
know, uh. And then I got

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some flak from people saying, well, this guy was there, he should

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be able to say his opinion,
and I'm all fine with that. I

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do think, you know, freedom
of speech, blah blah blah. But

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he really in two thousand and eight
he was an adult. If he was

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just a kid when he was saying
that something really happened there, he really

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wants to know what it is.
If he was just an adult fine.

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I mean if he was just a
kid, fine, But he was an

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adult. He was about twenty four
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he said something definitely happened. Then
he goes on you know this Netflix SERI

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and He series, and he's saying, you know that the other sixty two

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and there was more than that.
By the way, you know, the

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kindergarten children were not involved, but
they did a lot of them did witness

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that. They weren't interviewed or anything. But anyway, he goes on to

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say that everyone was a liar.
You know, spoiler alert for those of

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you who have not watched that episode. But he's calling everyone saying that they

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it was kind of a mass hysteria
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both agree on that. You know, he shouldn't have you know, maybe

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he should have spoken. I don't
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don't understand, but there is a
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I would love to have him on
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a discussion on that, you know, have them too together. So anyway,

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I think, well, this guy's
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think that I mean he could just
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or whatever. I mean, something
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he was upset or holds a grudge
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the interview for Randall Nickerson for the
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Aerial Phenomenon, and he wasn't I
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that documentary. Maybe he holds a
grudge for that. Maybe somebody gave him

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money. Maybe he just was looking
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this was the way he figured to
do it. I'll just tell a different

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story than everybody else, whatever the
case. I don't remember seeing him as

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a kid, and any of the
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And if it would if if that
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at some kids would have said,
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told pointed out to me and said, yeah, he out there, there's

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an alien and a spaceship. I
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and you could tell the way he
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was going down. His body language
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show was because they probably felt that
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mean, you hear you have all
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teachers, some of the teachers saying
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the one teacher was agreed, the
headmask, the headmistress, and you have

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all these people. You hear one
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who pulled us, played a prank
and they all fell for it, which

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is is absurd on its face.
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kids are all dumbbells, because I
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I know what it was like being
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grade. If somebody took pointed to
a rock and said, hey, hey

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Jim, there's a UFO and an
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just the rock. I'm not that
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Kids aren't that dumb when they're you
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guy's trying to say. So I
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they had them on. I don't
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they felt like they had to do
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they do. You have a guy
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witnesses, but you could tell the
guy was lying. Well, you know,

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someone mentioned that, well perhaps someone
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and then other people saying how ridiculous
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it has happened in the past.
Philip Class supposedly purportedly, I don't know

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certain on that, but he had
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people involved in the Travis Walton case
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know. So these type of things
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but it's rare and it really sometimes
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do believe that this is such an
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if someone usually something like this has
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my opinion, you know, I
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true. It just disrupts too much. So that's the only motivation I could

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possibly think. But I also was
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recently after we watched it, that
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He didn't get put in the show. A lot of people didn't get put

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on the show. I had a
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He was an excellent guest. He
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he would have been a great person
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But he didn't make the cut,
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Randall had just had so much to
work with, and like you mentioned in

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your tape, he took I forget
how many years, you know, many

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over twelve years, twelve or more
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put his heart and soul and and
everything he had into that and beautiful,

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beautiful film. Yeah. I mean
to me, that movie, the Aerial

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I mean, if you were to
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and hand that to the judge and
the jury were to look at it while

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it was obvious, and you were
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kids who were now adults, and
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as far as I'm concerned, that
that would constitute Okay, this is

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evidence that there's an extra structural presence
here. Because there's no way all these

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kids could have contrived this insane uh
conspiracy and maintained it for all thirty years.

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Basically, it's just that's that's absurd, that it would be impossible for

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that to happen. But now all
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dude coming forward Dale and Bicho saying, yeah, it's uh. I made

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it up. I pointed to a
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somehow, And yeah, it's I'm
lying, you know, I lie to

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now I'm telling the truth. I
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So just for the people that are
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haven't even looked in the chat room
yet. Follow everyone there and chat thanks

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for joining us. But the news
room set up you have in the back

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there? Where where are your some
some of your clock's supposed to be located?

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Oh, I mean this is the
first time I set we set this

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up. One of them's Castle Blanca, one of them's Moscow, one of

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them's Tokyo, one of them Centralia. I don't know if you every Centralia

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is near here? You ever hear
the Centralia mindfire? It's basically a town.

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There's it's it's not it's very close
to where I live. There's a

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underground mind fire burning basically there.
Nobody lives anymore. I know. That's

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something else. And then the last
one's Roswell, So of course, yeah,

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so well we're going to change the
names, changed the locations every now

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and then. I just haven't gotten
around to doing that yet, but I'm

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going to start doing that as time
goes on. Well, nice Jacquelin as

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well. So yeah, now you
had a sighting yourself. What's is that?

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What sparked your interested in the beginning? Well, actually I had two

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different things that happened. There was
in nineteen seventy seven and then in nineteen

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ninety four. In nineteen seventy seven, I was I guess eight almost nine

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years old around that at that age. It was in the late summer of

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nineteen seventy seven, and I wake
up in the middle. I used to

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sleep in an attic in a very
small house. I grew up in a

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small house with I had two brothers
and two sisters, and my mom and

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dad of course, and I and
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the attic and he slept on one
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on the other side, and in
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at one of those open staircases.
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night when I don't know. Something
woke me up, and I sometimes I

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would sleep at the blanket over my
head. I had this thin blue blanket

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and I could see through the blanket. I could see the shadow of this

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hand looked like like a three fingered
and only had three digits on the hand,

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and they were thick at the bottom
and came to almost points and it

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Meanwhile, there was this electronic humming
sound like the like that I could hear,

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and I was wondering, what the
hell's going on? And I could

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see this shadow of this hand getting
closer to where my head was, and

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then further away just kept on going
like this right, and I'm like,

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who's there, what's going on?
You know, nobody's answering. I just

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I hear this electronic humming sound,
and then I was afraid to pull the

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blanket down. I was thinking it
was the devil or a demon or something.

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At the time, I was an
altered boy at the Catholic church that

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was right next to my house,
right across the street. And that's what

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that's the extent of my imagination at
the time. I couldn't figure out what

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was happening here, and I was
I peeked out of the blanket in the

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direction of where my brother was.
My brother, Davy was on the other

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side of the room, and I
could see he was facing toward me,

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and he was sound asleep. And
I started yelling to him to wake up

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right there. You know, I
was scared. And meanwhile, that electronic

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coming sound was muffling my voice somewhat
and so and then I got really terrified,

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and I started screaming at the top
of my lungs for my mom and

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dad and nobody's coming. This must
have been I don't know what time it

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was. I have no idea.
One o'clock in the morning, two o'clock,

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I have no clue. But I'm
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And meanwhile, there's something I could
see that still, I could see

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the shadow I could see through the
blanket. It was a very thin blanket.

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I could see this hand. It
was not human, and it was

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moving up and down above my face. And I start saying my prayers and

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then things still there. I would
close my eyes and wake it up,

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wake up, or open my eyes
again, and they would still be there,

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and I steal them from my mom
and dad every now and then they're

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still not coming and there's that electronic
coming sound, and then next thing I

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know, somehow it lasts. The
whole instant event lasted for like twenty minutes,

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and somehow I just caught unked out
and I don't know what happened.

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And I woke up in the morning
the next day. It was in the

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summertime. It was like nine o'clock
in the morning, and I'm the first

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thing I'm thinking, is what,
you know, what the hell was that?

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You know, I'm looking around the
room. Nothing's there. I go

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running downstairs and I was trying to
tell my mom what happened. She's telling

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me it was just a dream.
I must have been trying to convince her

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for like two hours or something,
and then I realized at some point final

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I was like, nobody's gonna believe
me. There was something in the room

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last night, and nobody's ever gonna
believe me. I'm just a kid,

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and nobody's gonna believe me. I
mean, I'm sure now even if I

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told the story now as an adult, nobody wouldn't believe me either. But

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but then my dad gets home from
work later, I tell him. He

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tells me it's just a dream.
And it got to the point where no,

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I just had to move on with
wife and just forget about it.

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I didn't know what it was I
thought it was. I didn't know.

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I didn't know that aliens came in
the rooms or I didn't even think of

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that at the time. It was
like years later, in the late eighties.

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That was seventy seven, so it
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Sometime I was watching some documentary and
alien abductions was discussed or talked about,

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and that's when a bell rang in
my head. I was again,

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that's what that thing was. That's
what was going on. Explains that electronic

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humming sound, and the I passed
somehow I got I mean, I was

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terrified, but somehow, you know, I'm just I get I knocked out

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somehow. I don't know how that
could be possible. I know it wasn't

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a dream. I know I was
wide awake. It wasn't sleep paralysis because

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I was able to move around.
It was you know, it wasn't anything

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like that, and then, you
know, so I became interested then in

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the late eighties, early nineties,
and but then in nineteen ninety four I

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had another incident where and this was
different because this time there was a witness

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there and one of my friends,
a good friend of mine, Scott,

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had contacted me and he said he
wanted to go wanted to know if I

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went to go fishing with him.
It was a weekday, afternoon. It

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was like I was in my early
the mid twenties, I guess nineteen nine,

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yeah, mid twenties, and he
wanted to go fishing at this uh,

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it was a lake in Pennsylvania called
it was a private community called Beach

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Mountain Lakes, and there was a
lake there. But he didn't want to

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go fishing at the lake. He
wanted to go to this pond off the

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lake. And his mom knew someone
there and she got permission to let him

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go in here and go fishing.
I was like, yeah, we're gonna

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go night fishing, you know.
So he picked me up. We went

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there was you know, in the
evening, like five six o'clock or something.

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When we got to this place and
we went to this pond, there

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was nobody else around. It was
just us and were fishing, like just

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standing on the shore this pond,
fishing all night. I remember, we

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weren't catching anything that was not even
a nibble for hours. Right, So

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it gets dark out and it's like
ten o'clock at night, and I turned

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around to get something out of the
tackle box and I'm looking behind behind me,

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behind the like you know, the
ponds here, and then behind me

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is like an open field with some
tall grass, and then on the perimeter

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there was like a forest. And
when I turned around, I saw these

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three giant bright lights behind the trees, moving behind the trees, and they

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moved into this little clearing, and
I saw there was this odd, big

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object like hovering little somewhat lower than
the trees, and it must have it

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was his big as a house,
and it's just with tree lights lined up

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horizontally. And I yelled to my
friend, Scott, the Scott, what

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the hell is that? And he
turned around and I'll never forget the way

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he said. He goes, I
don't know, like the no part was

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elevated because he's starting to realize,
wow, and this thing is moving right

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toward us, right, And it
came within I mean, it's moving like

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this and there's no sound. Right, it must have been only two and

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a half stories off the ground.
And it stopped in midair right in front

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of me, about within twenty feet. And my buddy Scott was standing under

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the just under the edge of it, and he grabbed the flashlight and he

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shined it, shined it on the
bottom of this thing. And that's when

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I got scared. I was thinking, this thing's gonna land right here in

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front of right here, in front
of me. Right. I was like,

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let's get the hell out of here. Right. We start, as

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we start throwing the stuff, the
fishing stuff, into the back of his

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pickup truck, the thing just started
moving in a different It came around like

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this, and they started moving off
in a different direction than over the trees.

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So we threw all the stuff in
his pickup truck, and as we're

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driving down this dirt road to get
out of there, we could and still

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see it. He actually told me
later say, I didn't see I only

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saw the front of it because I
saw the three lights he was under it.

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He said it was circular, and
uh and and and he also noted

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I noticed that it was extremely close
to the tree tops, and he noticed

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that actually some of the tree tops
were bending down as it went back over

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them. And so we're going down
this dirt road and we had to stop

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because there was at least twenty deer
that start running from the direction that that

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thing just flew. We had to
stop and look at these all these deer

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running across the dirt road. They
must have been spooked by this object,

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right, And we finally got out
of there, and I remember this was

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near Hazelton, Pennsylvania, and we
drove into Hazelton then, uh, and

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we weren't even talking. We were
both in shock. And we got and

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we went to it like a dunkin
Donuts there, and I remember when we

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got coffees and we're sitting down and
I finally said to him, I was

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like, Scott, that was a
UFO. And he's there, I'm not

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saying anything. I'm not telling anybody. That was his first reaction, you

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know, the stigma. But I
know what it was. It was unbelievable,

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and you know, but it was
real. It was right there and

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I had absolutely no sound it was. It was as big as a house.

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And so there's just no way that
this thing could have been made by

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human beings. There's something here.
Well, that's one I gotta say.

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That's one heck of a sighting.
I mean that, that's that's one for

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the books right there. Really,
And you know I'm gonna ask you.

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You probably know I'm going to ask
you next. Is there any chance there

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was any missing time at all?
You know, that's interesting that you say

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that, because I'm at this time
in nineteen ninety four, I was already

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interested in this, and uh uh
so I knew about missing time by this

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point, and I actually had seen
I knew a time. It was not

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long before that happened, because I
remember checking my watch and I remember by

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that later on, when we were
at that dunkin Donuts at some point,

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I remember checking my time, and
I remember taking a mental note that,

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no, I don't think there doesn't
look like there's any loss time, so

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it didn't seem that way. Yeah
I did think that that night. Actually,

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Yeah, yeah, well that's that's
one heck of a sighting. And

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uh, you know, for myself, my sighting was nowhere near as spectacular.

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It was far far away and all
that, you know, comparatively,

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But the thing that freaked me out
the most is that there was no sound.

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And you know, now, let
me ask you this. This is

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a I think a relevant question because
this does happen as well. Did you

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notice absence of sound? Uh?
You know, I could have sworn I

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still heard, might have heard crickets, but I don't remember. I was

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so I don't know. And like
somebody also asked me one time to just

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smell anything. I don't remember smelling
anything different. I don't remember. It

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was just it was just silent,
you know, the idea that there was

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something that big and flying. I
just remember thinking to myself, this is

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unbelievable. There's no sound. I
mean, if it would have been a

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helicopter, of course, that close, I mean it would have been would

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would have been blown all over the
place. You know, there was nothing

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like that, No wind, no
sound, nothing. Yeah, I don't

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know. There could have been crickets. I think there might have been.

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I'm not sure. I don't remember. Martin. Yeah, yeah, Well

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did you report it? No?
I did not, No, I did

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not. I wish I would have. I actually had written the date down

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that next that I think the next
morning I actually wrote the date down and

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the time and everything that I know
the time, but the exact date I

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don't know now because after many times
of moving, that piece of paper got

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misplaced somewhere and unfortunate and you know
how that goes with things as time goes

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on. But well, thank you, look at nice, nice little lot.

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Thank you for that, Martin and
Jim. The beginning of a beautiful

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Friendship's pretty funny. So yeah,
a lot of people that I have actually

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told about your show really do like
it because of the depth that you go

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into, and you know, you
say it the way it is. You're

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not afraid just say things the way
they are or the way they appear to

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be. And oh wait, before
we go on to other things, a

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question here. How close was the
craft when you heard your buddy yell?

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And he was right? Was he
white? At that point? I was

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the one who said I told him, Like when I turned around to get

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something out of the tackle box and
I said, Scott, my friend,

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Scott was just I don't know,
maybe he wasn't that far away from me,

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maybe several yards. I mean,
he was fishing in a different spot

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on the lake. And when I
turned around and I saw the craft,

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that's I yelled to him and he
looked up and he saw it then,

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But I don't know. It wasn't
that far like I was at. You

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know, it was a small pot. It wasn't that big of a pond

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that we were fishing. He remember
he had said that he had caught fish

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there before, but that night it
was a real hot, warm night night.

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I remember we weren't catching anything.
But he was probably about I don't

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know, five six seven yards away
from me, maybe at the most.

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And then when he came when he
came over, when he saw the craft,

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he started walking toward it a little
bit, and when and while it

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was still moving, and then it
stopped and he was standing he that's when

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he grabbed the flashlight and shined it
at the bottom of it, at the

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belly of it. I'll never forget
that, like the beam of light from

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his flashlight going up to the bottom
of the craft. But I couldn't really

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see the bottom of it because there
was the lights on the front of this

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craft. I just want to point
out too. They were like this big.

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Each one. Each light was like
this. It was like giant headlights.

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It looked like that, but it
was three of them lined up horizontally.

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There was like a space in between. You could tell it was a

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craft. You could tell it was
one piece, like I could see some

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blackness there and stuff. You could. But I never got the seed the

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shape of it. But my friend
Scott it was underneath shining the flashlight on

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the bottom, he saw that it
was circular. That's what he said later

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on. I think that might be
the last thing that I would do if

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I was underneath. You know,
well it was, you know, you're

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the whole funny thing is I would
have totally forgot. I mean, I

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went fishing so many times throughout my
life back then, and it was so

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uneventful. I I now, nothing
happened, there was no no bites,

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and then I would have forgot about
this, right, But because of what

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happened, I'll never forget it.
I mean, this giant craft shows up

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and were the lights just like regular
white lights. No color, it was

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just yeah, they were like white
lights. That's what they look like,

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like whitish. But it looks strange, the whole thing looks it looked.

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I can't even it's hard to describe
it was. It was so it was

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solid, I mean, it was
a solid light and the way it moved

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and the smoothness of it, the
silence, and it was just it was

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incredible to see this. It was
just I mean, it was stunning,

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Like you're fishing, nothing's going on. All of a sudden, there's this

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giant thing hovering right neck right in
front of me, Like I was like,

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I was within twenty feet of it. That's that's it was. And

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that's when it stopped for a few
seconds and then start moving in a different

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direction. It came like it moved
like it moved like in a triangular the

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way it came in and then came
to us like in a triangle, and

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then moved away in a different direction. But it like it formed a triangle

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the way it flew. Did the
thought of running ever occur to you?

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It actually the thought of, yeah, the thought of getting out of there.

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When he shined the flashlight on and
I had this image in my head.

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I knew of the Pascagoula incident for
incident for instance, at that time,

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I was thinking that thing's gonna land
right here and we're gonna get dragged

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into this craft and who god knows
what's going to happen. That's what start

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going through my head. I don't
want this to happen. And that's when

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I said, let's get out of
here. And he he didn't even question.

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He just started throwing everything in the
truck. He knew he realized too.

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I think at that moment, you
know, you know, we don't

410
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:29,079
want this. You weren't catching any
fish anyway. Yeah. Here, here's

411
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:34,559
the the question we often want to
know. Uh, you know, who

412
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:38,359
are they? What do they want? Why are they here? You know?

413
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,839
I mean, that's that's the question, you know. I mean,

414
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,720
if we had if we had a
list of questions, that would definitely be

415
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:48,880
on them. You know, what's
the meaning of life? Uh? You

416
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,240
know, what's how is the universe
work? You know, whatever we'd ask,

417
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,839
those are definitely them all unanswered.
We have no idea why, why

418
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:03,240
whatever it is is here. So
your area, Pennsylvania has has a lot

419
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:11,400
of amazing events that happened quite often. And you know you recently went to

420
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,920
the Kesburg and that's that's a little
slightly controversial as well. That could have

421
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,599
been a satellite. People are talking
it could have been a military satellite and

422
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,839
it could have moved, because that's
what those things actually did. They had

423
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,680
ways to shift in the sky.
That's what always made Kexburg very, you

424
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,359
know, like really interesting, was
the way it moved. And then come

425
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,720
to find out we had these type
of satellites that when they're reorbiting or whatever

426
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:41,759
with the film case and then I
don't know if you heard about that whole

427
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,559
situation or not, but they had
the film cases and they would actually come

428
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,640
to the ground and be retrieved and
all that. So, you know,

429
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,400
Kesburg as if either's but it's one
of these things that it's just perpetuated and

430
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,160
I don't really maybe, just like
Roswell, we may never know. What

431
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,400
do you think about it? In
general? I think it could have been

432
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,799
extraterrestrial. I really don't know.
Now. The thing the thing about Ketsburg

433
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:10,079
and that whole area there at stant
we were talking about Stan Gordon earlier before

434
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:14,480
the show. He's interviewed so many
different people. There's a lot of weird

435
00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:18,200
stuff. I don't that that's on
the western side of Pennsylvania Kesburg near Pittsburgh.

436
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,119
I'm on more of the eastern side, closer to Philadelphia, and there's

437
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,400
a in that little region that Stand
lives in and where Kesburg is. There's

438
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,400
just so much weird things, so
many weird things that happened there. There's

439
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,799
a big it's not just UFOs.
There's a lot of UFOs, a lot

440
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,720
of extraterrestrial encounters, a lot of
bigfoots encounters. There's so much weird stuff

441
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:42,640
out there that stand for some reason. It seems like areas, like certain

442
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,720
areas of this world, it seems
like it's more prevalent than in others.

443
00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:48,559
And that seems like one of them
out there for some reason. And I

444
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:52,440
don't know if Ketsburg that if what
crash there was extraterrestrial, But then if

445
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,319
it wasn't, I mean, why
why are we still being light to about

446
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:59,799
it all these years? I mean, if it was just some satellite or

447
00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:02,559
something like that, why not just
tell the truth after all this time.

448
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,319
That doesn't make any sense to me. I think the only reason not to

449
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:07,759
tell the truth is because they don't. I think there's most certainly some sort

450
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:12,279
of a control group out there that's
in charge of keeping this secret. And

451
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:17,960
maybe that's why we don't know anything
about Kexberg, is because it is extraterrestrial

452
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,440
and they don't want to. They
don't want to anyone to know about the

453
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:25,759
reality of the extraterrestrial presence. Yeah, I feel like we're being gaslighted with

454
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:27,839
all of this stuff. Like I
mean, well, let's let's get into

455
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:33,480
it. I want to know how
exactly. Yeah, I mean there's a

456
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,640
lot of people with this same kind
of thoughts. So how do you think

457
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,319
that's all working. You think this
whole thing is like the type of situation

458
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,519
of a lot of disinformation thrown at
us. Yeah, it's it's it's so.

459
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,279
I mean, I mean just recently, when we're just talking about that

460
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:52,960
that that guy at aerial school,
that's I think that's disinformation of some form.

461
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,960
But I mean when it comes to
the government, I mean, I

462
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,640
mean, instead of playing all these
games with the hearing and all of that

463
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:06,279
stuff, why not just there's this
control group. Obviously, there's been things

464
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:11,319
that have happened for many decades now, Like people like researchers like Richard Dolan

465
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:15,160
in his books, he's talked about
all these things, written about all these

466
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,400
things. Uh uh, you see
all the stuff that's been going on since

467
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,799
since this all started. Uh.
Donald Kehoe talked about it a lot and

468
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:26,880
some of his books back in the
fifties and sixties. There's most certainly a

469
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,599
cover up, but it's a secret
group, and why not. It's why

470
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:36,799
not just jump from to the end
of this Why play this game with having

471
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,559
hearings and whistle blowers and all that
stuff, because why do it? Why

472
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:42,880
why not just somebody come out already
and just tell us the truth rather than

473
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,480
playing these stupid games. I feel
like we're just being gaslight at all still.

474
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:49,000
I mean, even with the hearings, and even though it's a step

475
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,400
forward, I guess I look at
it like that, but at the same

476
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,039
time, it's like, we shouldn't
have to be playing this game. Let's

477
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:57,880
just get it over with and just
tell the truth. Already. A lot

478
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,400
of us out there. Note I
know that something's there. I've had in

479
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,440
my own experiences. I've done enough
research to know this for a fact.

480
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,519
And I'm just tired of it.
It's very frustrating from from my point of

481
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:08,920
view, and I think a lot
of people are feeling the same way.

482
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:14,400
And I'm just tired of I hear
these debunkers, the stupid stuff they say.

483
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,119
I'm so I'm just done with all
of it. That the Mick West

484
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,319
of the world, and who's so
many different that Stephen Oh God, yeah,

485
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:32,160
yeah, yeah, terrible so it's
it's really uh, you know,

486
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,359
there was a you know, I
got to hang out a lot with Nick

487
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:41,839
Pope this this weekend. You know, some people say he's some controversy,

488
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:45,960
the area was only a file clerk
or whatever whatever they say. But still

489
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:51,559
he's uh, he's really articulate,
really looks deeply into this topic, and

490
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,799
he makes He made a point this
weekend at his talk that I often say

491
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,720
similar things and to kind of go
along with what you're saying. The possible

492
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:08,160
reason for cover ups and that is
I think it and Nick said the same

493
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:14,319
thing that I think it's very possible
that they don't know exactly what it is.

494
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,759
For sure, they know possibly more
than we do. I do believe

495
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:23,319
they know more than we do.
And but what I think is that they

496
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:28,079
don't have the whole picture. And
because they don't have the whole picture,

497
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:35,119
then they realize that they can't protect
us from whatever it could be. So

498
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,119
that's the reason I think that for
us to actually get like a full disclosure

499
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,359
of the government saying hey, look
we've known for a long time this is

500
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:49,160
happening, and unfortunately we don't know
exactly what it is. For them to

501
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,519
say something like that you know,
they're not going to say it. I

502
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,960
don't think so. I think that
is a reason for a part of why

503
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,079
we don't, you know, we
don't get a lot of movement for w

504
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,599
Yeah, I think there's like I
think I think that's definitely one of the

505
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,880
reasons, right. I think the
reason that they've the fact that they've been

506
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,400
lying so long, it's gonna look
bad when they finally do tell the truth.

507
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,799
I mean, people already have a
distrust of government, so then when

508
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:16,400
the truth finally does come out,
it's gonna be saying you've been you see,

509
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,519
they've been lying the whole time,
you know, so they're gonna There's

510
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,079
there's that element of it. There's
the reverse engineering aspects to it, which

511
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:25,680
I'm sure is going on. I'm
sure that they have recovered craft based on

512
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,200
all the research stuff things done research
by Leonard, the late Leonard Stringfield.

513
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:36,079
I mean, there's most certainly a
reverse engineering program going on, and just

514
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:38,799
as reported by people like David Grush, and there's other whistleblowers who we don't

515
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:43,079
really know much about yet but they've
been talking to behind the scenes. So

516
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,240
you have that and the fact that
they don't like you said, they don't.

517
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,680
They don't know, how could they
How could anybody possibly know? I

518
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,720
don't think we'll ever know. We
don't even know how many could possibly be

519
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,839
coming here? And what are the
motives of all them? The motives of

520
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,160
one group might be totally different than
the motives of someone of the others.

521
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:01,119
We don't even know if all of
these others, Like how many are coming

522
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:04,880
here? And do all of them
that are coming here know that there's other

523
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,400
ones coming here? There's so many
different questions, and how are they going

524
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,519
to answer that? How are they
going to answer Stuff like that is put

525
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:14,639
out there, like by people like
David Jacobs, who puts books out like

526
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,599
The Threat and Walking among Us,
who he suggests after you know, all

527
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,000
these people who have been abducted,
and there's a hybridization program from all his

528
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:24,000
research, that's what he's come up
with. I mean, how is the

529
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:27,719
government going to ever try to explain
that, Well, yeah, there's these

530
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,800
beings that they're you know, they're
coming in, they're abducted people. There's

531
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,960
a hybridization program. They're putting beings
among us that look like us, but

532
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,599
they're not us. But that's all
been nothing to worry about you can go

533
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,119
home. They can't talk about How
are they going to talk about that?

534
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:44,039
I mean, it's so complex,
there are so many issues with it.

535
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,039
But at the same time, by
not talking about it, you the scientific

536
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:51,719
community for the most part, is
locked out. Nobody really wants to go

537
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,679
near it. Some people are more
so now today than before. But still

538
00:34:54,880 --> 00:35:00,320
you got to get the scientific community, the entire scientific community involved, no

539
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,440
matter how scary or whatever, it
doesn't matter. That's the biggest reason why

540
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,000
we need to end this cover up
because of that, right right. I

541
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:12,639
just was reminded of when I did
my talk this week end up in Shag

542
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,960
Harbor. Of when I was going
through the talk, I bring up in

543
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:23,480
my PowerPoint presentation the fact that in
the nineteen nineties I had a insurance broker

544
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:28,800
in my house who said that he
was part of the US Air Force that

545
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:34,960
was investigating UFOs and Vietnam during Vietnam, when napalm was happening and things like

546
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,400
that, they'd show up and stuff
like that. So anyway, my question

547
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,039
to him, you know, before
he left that night, was the question,

548
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,360
everybody wants to know what do they
want? And and I said,

549
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,760
well, what does the government think
they want, do you know that much?

550
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,480
And he says, they think that
we're a petri dish. I'll never

551
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:57,159
forget that, you know. And
that was long before I ever thought about

552
00:35:57,199 --> 00:36:00,199
doing a show of any kind on
this or even have much of a big

553
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,960
interest in it. So I think
that's still a possibility. You know,

554
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,679
you're saying, you know, all
these different groups are coming here. Maybe

555
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:13,599
we're a pet drish for a lot
of places you know that is coming in.

556
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,280
Who knows, you know, it's
it's all, it's all fascinating.

557
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,199
I mean, the prevalent ones seem
to be the you know, you hear

558
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,920
a lot of the stories or the
encounters that many people have had seemed to

559
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:29,840
be between the short grays, tall
grays, reptilian type beings and these praying

560
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,039
Manti praying mathis ones, and it
seems like they have some sort of a

561
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,960
program. But then they hear other
story, and that seems the prevalent.

562
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,000
That seems like the most things that
you hear of. In fact, I

563
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,480
think when you look at the Turkey
UFO videos, for instance, that's what

564
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,519
you're seeing. I think you're seeing
those beings. That's what I think you're

565
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:47,639
seeing in there. That's my opinion. Doesn't make me right, but I

566
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:51,599
believe that that's what we're seeing.
But then you have other cases like,

567
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,679
for instance, like the Pascagoula case, those those things, I've never heard

568
00:36:54,679 --> 00:37:00,440
those descriptions before, or the or
just we're just talking about Steven Spield's new

569
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,199
documentary series, the broad Haven Incident. The beings that people were seeing there

570
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:09,239
these seven foot tall creatures. That's
different than a lot of other reports seven

571
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:15,199
foot tall faceless things. I mean, it's always differently everywhere. Yeah,

572
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,719
yeah, here's another question here,
and uh, do you think it's possible

573
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,519
that the ets are forcing the government
to cover it up? That's an interesting

574
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:29,119
angle, as fantastic as that sounds. Yes, it's very possible. I

575
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:34,199
mean, if these beings have the
ability to basically make people forget experiences abductions,

576
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,000
that that that that doesn't that would
not exclude anybody in the government.

577
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:43,000
They're human beings too, If you
know, it could be that these UFO

578
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,039
crashes, like the Roswell crash and
the Aztec UFO crash and the crashes that

579
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:50,800
occur after that all these years,
maybe they weren't really crashes, Maybe they

580
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,519
were set ups. Maybe they wanted
to get to the heart of the control

581
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,920
of this world of the country here, like for instance. So really it's

582
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:05,400
not that it's it was a plan
crash and then these the people at the

583
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,199
top of this governmental chain, the
aliens knew this in advance. They take

584
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,039
that stuff in and then somehow they
figure out how we tick and that's how

585
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:15,239
they Maybe that's the reason for crashes
too. I don't know, it's just

586
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,079
all of it is speculation, But
yes, I think it could be possible.

587
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,159
If they could do the things that
they do to certain people, like

588
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,960
in an abduction accounts, then why
wouldn't they be able to do it to

589
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:29,519
our officials in the government. For
all we know, it is possible that

590
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:37,320
some extraterrestrial beings have infiltrated the governments
in the most secretive levels and are pulling

591
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,440
the strings behind the scenes. And
that's why there's still that's why there's a

592
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,599
coverup. That's possible. I don't
know, but that's These are the kind

593
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:46,800
of ideas that go through your head
because of the cover up. It all

594
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:52,039
all you could do is speculate,
So that makes that a possibility. Yeah,

595
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:53,599
that's right. That's all we can
do is speculate and by the way,

596
00:38:53,599 --> 00:39:00,679
they probably do a better job at
running the government. Probably. Yeah,

597
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,039
we need the truth no matter what
it is, says Bill. And

598
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:08,000
you're right, Bill, we do. Whether we'll see it or not remains

599
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:14,519
to be seen. You know,
we can only just do what we can

600
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,840
do on our side of the street, which is, you know, keeping

601
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,880
things straight. There's a lot of
you know people that I mean, we're

602
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,960
in such a hard time right now. I had this discussion with a few

603
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,639
people this last weekend, where what
are we going to be able to believe

604
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,199
from now on? When it comes
to videos, pictures, the new AI

605
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,880
pictures out there, you can say, basically, give me a big foot

606
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:47,000
in nineteen twenty nine with some lumberjacks, and now you have this beautiful sepiatone

607
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:52,519
image of it looks just like a
big foot or an ape, you know,

608
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,079
like twenty feet tall with lumberjacks,
and everything looks as pure as can

609
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:01,400
be. Even Uri Geller was full. He was posting things out there because

610
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,400
he thought it was real. And
then you know videos, the deep fakes,

611
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,679
and they're they're going to get you
know, we're lost right now as

612
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:15,440
far as anyone getting something really good
on film. I think it would really

613
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:19,159
be hard to prove something. They
would have to be time stamped on a

614
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:22,800
phone, et cetera, et cetera
to be able to be believed. It's

615
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,559
gonna get worse. Like you said, I think it's You're absolutely correct,

616
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:28,800
it's going to get even worse as
time goes on. I mean only the

617
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,280
real images that you could trust.
There a lot of the older images when

618
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,039
there really were no ways to trick
these things, Like I believe, for

619
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:37,039
instance, like the mc minville photo
was not tricked. I believe that those

620
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:39,719
people, the Trents, actually saw
that and they took a picture of and

621
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,360
that's exactly what you're seeing is what
they saw in that picture. Like I

622
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,639
think that the Rex Hefflin pictures from
nineteen sixty five where he saw that flying

623
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,039
saucer, he took a couple of
different three I think pictures, four pictures.

624
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:58,119
There are polaroids. Yeah, they're
in a safe in California. I

625
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:05,000
talked to boy, can't remember the
daughter of that famous stupologists. Uh just

626
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:07,039
can't remember. Begins with an a. I just can't remember her last name,

627
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,159
but anyway, Yeah, they're in
her safe. When our mother passed

628
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:15,320
away. She's she's guarding them,
you know, as as we go through

629
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,400
it, and I think they'll get
into you know, David Marls is doing

630
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,199
this wonderful job with archives in New
Mexico, and I think, you know,

631
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,320
he'll they'll be safe in a place
like that. But yeah, good

632
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,320
to preserve it. Here's an interesting
point right here. Isn't it just possible

633
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,280
that ets are allowing, not forcing
the government to cover to continue the government.

634
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,519
Well, obviously I guess they are
because they could certainly. You know,

635
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:43,880
it's kind of silly when you say
the White House lawn, but it's

636
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:46,119
uh, you know, when I've
talked to people, what you know,

637
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,400
how do you think a disclosure could
come about? Usually it's like a mass

638
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:54,599
undeniable sighting with you know, direct
contact, you know, type of thing.

639
00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,599
That's that's if the government doesn't come
out and say it's going to take

640
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:02,880
something like that. But I don't
know if you caught this, but Ross

641
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,280
Coulthart from Australia is now saying that
he believes I'm not sure where he's coming

642
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,760
up with this, but he believes
within twelve to eighteen months that we are

643
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,480
going to know exactly that we're not
alone, and that we're going to know.

644
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:22,079
You know this information. I've heard
these kind of claims made before and

645
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,639
until it happens, you know,
I hope Ross is right. I mean

646
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,679
he has, he has more contacts
than I have. I mean, I'm

647
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,159
just basically what I'm doing. I'm
just basically looking at the whole thing and

648
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:39,119
giving my commentary. I do talk
to some people sometimes, but for the

649
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:43,639
most part, I'm just giving my
view of it. But Ross obviously is

650
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:47,079
someone who has his fingers on the
pulse of this whole thing a lot better

651
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:51,280
than I got. Right now,
He's talking to people and maybe he knows

652
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,039
something that we don't. But I
don't know. I've been hearing this stuff

653
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:58,480
before. Yeah, it's gonna be
this year, you know earlier last year's

654
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:01,440
twenty twenty three is a year I
don't know. I mean, we're getting

655
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,360
somewhere, we're moving forward. But
again, it's to me, it's all

656
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,119
a big gas lighting effort because we're
still playing these dumb games. David Grush

657
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:14,159
comes out and then you basically people
are slammed dunking him. H Ever,

658
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:19,840
since you got a lot of people
who don't uh, yeah, you know

659
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,199
what I mean. They don't.
They just don't. They're not going there.

660
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,000
They just they can't accept it.
So they make fun of him,

661
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,719
and they make a fool out of
him, and so we're we're still not

662
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,480
getting anywhere. It doesn't matter what
he says. He doesn't have the evidence,

663
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,000
So we're still stuck in the wheels
are spinning in the mud right now.

664
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:40,400
That's the problem. Yeah, yeah, And I you know, people

665
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:47,079
have said something along the lines of, uh, well, you know,

666
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:53,159
Grushes is just you know, full
of you know what whatever. And I

667
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,559
was actually at the hearings. I
don't know if I told you that I

668
00:43:55,679 --> 00:44:01,920
made it inside the hearing room,
but it to me, why would he

669
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:07,159
why would he bother, you know, why would he bother putting his whole

670
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,679
career, his whole life on the
line and lie about it. You know?

671
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,320
Is it possible that it's disinformation that
would have to be really orchestrated,

672
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:22,000
very very well to have done that
type of thing. I think it's a

673
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:27,880
for real type of situation. And
I'm interested, and you know, they're

674
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:34,119
supposed to be. I think I
hear twelve more so whistleblowers that Yeah,

675
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,960
there's a lot more more than that, actually, But the whole thing is

676
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,039
is that he's come forward and the
and the Senate, you know, which

677
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:45,000
that that recent legislation from Chuck Schumer. When you see that kind of stuff,

678
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:50,159
they the people in Congress know more
than than I mean, they wouldn't

679
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:52,639
be doing these things unless they are
pretty confident there's something going on. There's

680
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:57,360
a tug of war going on right
now between two different factions within the government,

681
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,320
one that wants to keep it a
secret for whatever reason, the other

682
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,960
one that wants that believes is time
to get it out there. That's what

683
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,239
it feels like to me, right
right. So we're going to just let

684
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,920
the listening audience know we're going on
for fifty five minutes total. Today.

685
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,559
I feel like Jim, I feel
like saying, you know, I already

686
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:17,239
want to have you come back again. Hey, I'll come back a lot

687
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:22,679
of fun. Yeah. Yeah.
So I have the lines open if anyone

688
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:25,679
wants to call in. That number
is eight five five four seven two five

689
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,760
four eight three. Chanel is standing
by and just make sure you have a

690
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,079
good clear signal when you call in. And this is for either one of

691
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,519
us, and we're ready to go. If you'd like to call in,

692
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,639
we only have around ten minutes or
so for phone, so if you want

693
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:46,039
to call in, please do so. Now, so what is some of

694
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:52,400
your favorite cases? We both think
that at the Aerial School incident is way

695
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,960
up there. I call it my
number one myself. But what do you

696
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,119
think some other really fascinating and undeniable
cases are. Well, I think you

697
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:06,440
have to say that the Pascagoula that's
undeniable. Those guys weren't lying. I

698
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:12,159
mean you had the conversation that was
secretly recorded in the Sheriff's department at the

699
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,800
later on. I mean, there's
just too many elements those guys. Why

700
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,960
would they make it up? And
unfortunately, Calvin Parker just recently passed away.

701
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,599
They're both now gone, but he
lived his whole life. It ruined

702
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:24,280
his life. I mean a lot
of people you hear the when you hear

703
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,320
the human stories like you watched,
for just for instance, the broad Haven

704
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,280
incident, the broad Haven triangle that
was just talked about on that documentary from

705
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:37,840
Steven Spielberg, that those people aren't
lying. You see all these witnesses.

706
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,559
I mean, I think that's a
great case, that's fantastic. Well,

707
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:43,760
how could all these people be lying? There there they all. There's witnesses,

708
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,480
multiple witnesses. That's a great there's
multiple great cases. Uh there're one,

709
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,719
uh another great one. I think
the Travis Walton one is a great

710
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,199
case. I know he gets slammed
a lot, but you had six other

711
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,800
witnesses. They all passed lie detector
tests. How could you know he's been

712
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:05,360
in the same story all these years. That's a fantastic case. The Randall

713
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,400
shim Forest is an interesting That's one
of the most fascinating cases. I think.

714
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,320
I mean, you can't. How
can you deny it? They have

715
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,599
You have so many people, so
many witnesses. It's real and I know

716
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:17,719
it's real too. That's the other
thing is when I hear these people talking

717
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,239
like they don't believe it. Debunkers
well, but but to me, the

718
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,679
testimony from multiple people, especially multiple
witnesses at this you know, at a

719
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,320
certain event, how could you deny
it? I mean, I feel like

720
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,760
I know I'm right. I know
they're wrong because I had my own experiences,

721
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,679
so in my head I know that
these people are they're just not getting

722
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,800
it. But for some reason,
we're scared. They're scared. There's the

723
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,559
people I think are scared but like
some of the cases, like we're talking

724
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:49,800
about the the Pascagoula incident, I
have I love that case. I think

725
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,519
that's that's an undeniable one to me. I believe those two guys wholeheartedly.

726
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,079
And you haven't looked into the alec
Ash incident. That's another. Oh my

727
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,280
god, Yeah, I read that
book, the aleg Ash Yeah, the

728
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,519
Allagash four. I mean, there's
no question how we have our buddy online

729
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:12,119
one Phil from Michigan. Let's see, we gotta get I'm gonna get disappere

730
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:21,000
Hey, I wanted to thank you
for your show, Jim. I stumbled

731
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,840
across you about two months ago and
I heard you talk about the Three Stooges

732
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,960
of UFOs and I just loved it. I love it when you tell the

733
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:36,360
truth. Yeah. Yeah, there's
a lot of people like I think the

734
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,440
debunkers. I think some of these
guys, the three Stooges that we were

735
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,519
talking about there, it feels like
we're being gaslighted by certain people, and

736
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:45,559
you got to call it out as
it is. I mean, it doesn't

737
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:49,400
make any sense to me. I
don't understand how anybody could trust the Pentagon

738
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,400
with you know, you hear a
lot of Loue Alasando getting a lot of

739
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,400
flat you know, from the debunkers
out there, the Three Stooges that I

740
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,519
was talking about that time. But
at the same time, how can you

741
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:02,639
trust what the Pentagon's telling you?
You can't. They've been lying about this

742
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,880
for almost eighty years now. You
can't trust when it talks. When it

743
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,679
comes to UFOs, you can never
ever trust the Pentagon. Maybe someday we

744
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,880
can, but not at this moment, because I know there's still lying,

745
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:17,360
you know, And that's why I
call these people, the Three Stooges,

746
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:22,119
some of them, you know,
Yes you do, and I'm glad you

747
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:27,960
do. Hey, Phil, do
you do you have any And thanks Phil

748
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:30,039
for the call. And I'm just
taking down the phone number because we have

749
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:34,119
another caller on the line. But
Phil, do you have a specific question

750
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:37,840
at all that you'd like to ask
Jim or myself? It doesn't matter,

751
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:44,639
no, I just I just mainly
wanted to say I'm glad that he calls

752
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:52,639
out by name. The people are
supposedly ufiologists that do nothing but stir the

753
00:49:52,719 --> 00:50:00,840
muck like Greenwall Junior is my favorite. One day. Hey, yeah,

754
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:01,880
you know, I'll tell you something, Phil. I mean, I haven't

755
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:07,280
really started complaining about John and told
us recently. I actually appreciate the fact

756
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:13,320
that he does these Freedom of Information
Act requests. But at the same time,

757
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,920
I don't understand why he's siding with
a creep like green Street from the

758
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,679
New York Post. I don't understand
that to me, Why would you ever

759
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,760
align yourself with some kind of a
clown like Stephen green Street. That guy's

760
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,800
a goofball. I mean, so
that's what bothers me about John Greenwall.

761
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,760
He needs to get away from that
people like him and Mick West. I

762
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,760
think Mick West is another one.
You know, they're driving. I didn't

763
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,679
want to, you know, I'll
go off on a everybody. It upsets

764
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:44,239
me. I feel like I'm like, yeah, yeah, so Phil,

765
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,159
thanks a lot. That's great.
We're gonna bring on our next caller talk

766
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:53,960
soon. All right, we have
Christopher from Illinois. Christopher, welcome to

767
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:59,920
the show. Yeah, I'm sorry
to be here. Yeah, you may

768
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:06,000
want to speak up just a little
bit. Yes, My question for you

769
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,719
guys are looking at where we're at
now with UF biology. Where do you

770
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,280
see us a couple of years from
now, especially after this invasion if they

771
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:22,880
say that's coming, this what coming? I'm sorry, So, where do

772
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:30,800
you see UFO community and everybody a
couple of years from now after we have

773
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:36,519
this opposed the UFO invasion if they
say it's coming, I'm not I'm not

774
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:39,480
sure of the UFO invasion. I'm
not really sure I've understand that or heard

775
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:45,039
anything about that. I'm not sure
where you got your source of information on

776
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:50,639
that. But but we can go
ahead, we can move forward with a

777
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,880
where do you think the UFO you
know topic will be within a couple of

778
00:51:53,920 --> 00:52:00,719
years, right, Yeah, I
think ye, I think uh, I

779
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,079
think you know, we might we
might get somewhere. I mean, I

780
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:07,800
think it's possible now that we there
is some action. I mean, I

781
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,239
think we're gonna need somebody from the
inside to bring some of the evidence with

782
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,719
them to the outside somehow. I
mean, someone like a David Grush,

783
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,519
except a little bit more so that
comes with the with the with the receipts

784
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:21,599
and says, yeah, see I
told you here, somehow get an extraterrestrial

785
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:24,480
body out there, some sort of
evidence, some some piece of extraterrestrial craft.

786
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,559
That's possible if you have all these
whistleblowers stepping forward. Maybe somebody's going

787
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,760
to bring uh sneak some of this
stuff out perhaps, uh, because that's

788
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:37,039
I don't know, that might be
the only thing that might that could have

789
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:38,880
that that that might be the only
thing that that could happen for this to

790
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,559
happen. We just don't know.
We don't know the level of uh of

791
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:49,599
uh protection that these that this cover
that this group has that is maintaining this

792
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:53,760
teak that these contractors have, for
instance, how we don't know how difficult

793
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,320
it would be to extract some of
the evidence that I'm certain that they have.

794
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:00,679
Somebody from the inside would have to
bring it forward to us, I

795
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,440
think, and that might happen because
of the stuff that is happening right now

796
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:09,599
in Congress right right. So I
can't believe how the time has flown,

797
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,119
you know. Uh. Sometimes I
can do the show a little bit longer.

798
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,280
I'm a little bit under the weather, so otherwise I would try in

799
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,119
the same was with last week as
well. So but it's been really great,

800
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:27,079
and I just have to say that
it was really a pleasure. And

801
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,800
I do believe that you could probably
come back every other week if you'd like,

802
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,840
Hey, why not. It's a
lot of fun. I have a

803
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,000
lot of fun. We could talk
all night here actually if yeah, we

804
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:39,760
had the time. But it was
great and then and there there will be

805
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,559
a time where they'll be much longer
than that. But thank you so much,

806
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:45,480
Thank you Martin, thank you for
having me on. I appreciate it.

807
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:49,880
All right, you take care you
too. All Right, everyone,

808
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,880
I'll be back with Dan from Fifth
Pillar of Emphasis next week. I met

809
00:53:53,960 --> 00:54:00,920
him at the hearing down in in
Washington. And thank you all for hanging

810
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:17,519
in and remember to keep your eyes
to the sky.