WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.160 Hey everybody, this is Less Driving. Yes, yes, I know, 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:30.039 aka Surviving Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Eysen he did. 3 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:34.320 Welcome back to sasquatch Os. Thank you so much for clicking play. It 4 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:37.520 is Wednesday. I hope you are having a great week. We have two 5 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:40.719 amazing guest lines up for you. But as always, I want to start 6 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:44.280 by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be able 7 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:48.079 to show, shoot me an email you get me a Brian at Paringomoworldproductions dot 8 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:50.920 com. Get head over to the website, check it out, become a 9 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:55.600 member there and help support this show. I got to sit down with Jason 10 00:00:55.759 --> 00:01:00.560 and Josh from Alabama and they are a father and son bigfoot research team over 11 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:04.239 there, and they had some really really cool experiences near Falk, Arkansas, 12 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:07.680 in the Boggy Creek area, So I'll let them tell you all about that 13 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:11.439 in just a minute. They recorded some video and some audio and it's some 14 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:15.159 really interesting stuff and I've included it here in the episode for you to hear 15 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:19.400 it as we're talking about it, and I'm going to link to those videos 16 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:23.079 over on the sasquatch Otassey Blog, So make sure you head over to Paranormal 17 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:26.319 World Productions dot com check out the sasquatch Otassey Blog at the top of the 18 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:30.400 page there and you can see the videos that we're referencing that I pulled the 19 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.680 audio from here. This was a really cool conversation. I think you guys 20 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:37.799 are really going to enjoy it. Tomorrow is Thanksgiving, so I just want 21 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:40.159 to take a couple of seconds and say, from all of us here at 22 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:44.200 the Paranormal World Productions family, the sasquatch Otasey family, we want to say 23 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:47.599 to you and yours Happy Thanksgiving and I hope that you guys are having an 24 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:51.640 amazing holiday and spending some time with friends and family. At the end of 25 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:55.079 the day, that's really all that matters. So from us to you, 26 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:59.519 Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. But for now, Jason and Josh are 27 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:00.840 on the line. They're ready to go. I'm gonna let the music play. 28 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:25.680 You guys, sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Welcome my 29 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:30.199 guests to the show. It is Jason and Josh from Alabama. Welcome to 30 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:34.080 the show, guys. Thank you. So let's get right into it. 31 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:37.599 Let's start with Jason first. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. Tell us 32 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.680 what got you interested in the subject to begin with. Probably like anybody else, 33 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:45.840 I remember seeing the Patterson inland Field when I was six or seven, 34 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:49.280 maybe on in search of or Ripley's Believe It or Not, And I do 35 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:53.599 remember being a little freaked out as a six or seven year old thinking that 36 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:57.199 thing lives in the woods. Really got into it at a young age, 37 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:01.280 read all the library books that I could find about it, and always followed 38 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:05.599 it to a certain degree. As I got older. As a teenager, 39 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:09.080 I got into guitar and didn't really forget about big book, but that became 40 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:14.039 my main focus. I had some friends when I was in high school who 41 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.919 had some experiences. Because where I was born and raised in Row County, 42 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:22.800 Alabama, there's actually a little bit of a history of some Sasquatch activity. 43 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:25.319 It's not really talked about in the open. I had two friends who had 44 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:30.680 some experiences. I have a good friend of mine who still lives in Monroe 45 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:35.080 County. He and I grew up together and he still is having experiences. 46 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.439 Probably about four years ago I really jumped back into it because of my friend 47 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:43.599 who was having experiences on his property, and I just started back reading everything 48 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:47.080 I could get my hands on, Lauren Coleman's book, Lyle Blackbird's books, 49 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:53.960 Doctor Meldrum, Doctor Prince, doctor Bender Nagel, just reading up on everything 50 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:55.840 that I could. I was always fascinated with it. But then when my 51 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:59.960 friend from Wnroevo was telling me about some of the things he was happening, 52 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.639 and it was really cool because I remember texting him going, so these stories 53 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:10.039 we heard growing up there, they're really oh yeah. And my dad actually 54 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:14.280 had an experience that he only told us about when he had been drinking and 55 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:17.959 I was probably a teenager, and he had one that basically crossed the road 56 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:21.160 in front of him one night and then, as he said, dropped down 57 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:27.920 like a gorilla tk And it was a number of years later there was a 58 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:31.480 local news story about a possible bigfoot sighting and I just asked my dad. 59 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:33.600 I was like, hey, you remember that thing? You saw it? 60 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:36.680 He just looked in and said, I don't know what I saw. Let's 61 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:41.759 just leave it that. So I grew up around with a little bit of 62 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:45.360 some bigfoot history mon backyard, so to speak. But yeah, really got 63 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:47.639 into it. About four or five years ago, and he actually was a 64 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:51.360 little bit more skeptical. He would see my books and go big. But 65 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:57.519 Dad really really and he did it first. And then when we had our 66 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:00.120 experience now he was like, oh wow, I think there's something to it. 67 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:03.399 And probably what really hit it home for me. And so when I 68 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:08.839 jumped back into the researching victim on my own, so to speak, I 69 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:13.439 had a good hard look at the Patterson Yemlin film and you probably remember there 70 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:17.639 was the MK Davis stabilization footage. I'm a paramedic. I've been a paramedic 71 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:23.800 since nineteen ninety six, was a full time first responder up until twenty twelve, 72 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.360 and now I teach full time at a university. I'm a non tenured 73 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.079 professor. I'm not an anatomist, I'm not a physician, but I have 74 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.639 a working knowledge of the human body. And looking at the MK Davis footage 75 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:38.040 just really was like, oh wow, there's muscles in this thing. You 76 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:42.600 can see things FLEXI if that's a soup man, that's beyond Planet of the 77 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:45.600 Apes quality for the time. And that was what really was like, there 78 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:50.600 may actually be something to it. Because I remember when the Bob peronymous story 79 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:56.600 came out and I remember watching that footage side by side, going that's not 80 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:00.000 even the same. Oh, but still I am still a little bit skept 81 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.360 well, And that's one thing I have always been. I don't think everything 82 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:09.759 is a sasquatch. And since our experience at Boggy Creek, we've been doing 83 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:14.560 some research here closer to home. We've been following the Bigfoot mapping project and 84 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:18.399 there was a road crossing in Florida. We live only really about thirty minutes 85 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:23.160 from Florida, but this road crossing was about an hour away from us in 86 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:27.360 Florida, and we've been going over there and researching the area. It's rot 87 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:30.600 on the edge of a huge state force there. We haven't located the witness 88 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:34.120 we'd like to, but we've been searching around there and we had some interesting 89 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:38.120 things pop up. So we're very new at the research game. But that 90 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:42.560 kind of is what did it when what happened to us at Bogging Creek, 91 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.439 which really came as a shock that could kind of set everything in motion. 92 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:48.680 And again he was the skeptic, and then after that he was like, 93 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:54.680 oh wow, there's something to it. I definitely want to get to Boggy 94 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:57.160 Creek. But I'm going to go to Josh my Man the skeptic, my 95 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:01.639 fellow skeptic here. Obviously we've covered that already. But was that something that 96 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:04.800 you really thought your dad was crazy because he was into bigfoot or was it 97 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:09.600 an interest of yours at all before you had an experience. I thought it 98 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:12.920 was kooky yet first, but then I looked into it and then it just 99 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:15.920 sounded like an animal to me, So I didn't really think about it until 100 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:21.079 what happened. Smart man. I want to go into Boggy Creek and you 101 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:24.879 guys having your experience, But before we get there, you mentioned Monroe County. 102 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.439 Let's talk a little bit about what your friend had going on in his 103 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:30.759 property, what kind of experiences where they have, What was he sharing with 104 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:33.399 you about what was going on their property? His property he since sold it 105 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:38.759 that he's bought more property in the same area. It borders the Munroe and 106 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:43.000 the Connecta counties. Along that border is a river called the Sepulga River, 107 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:47.000 and there's been a lot of sightings along the Sepulba River since about twenty twelve. 108 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:49.959 They've been popping up. He's been doing a little bit of research on 109 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:53.959 his own. But he was telling me that he was leaving to go to 110 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:58.360 work in As he was driving up, because he lives out in the country, 111 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:03.199 he said he saw eye shine but it was at least seven feet tall, 112 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:05.560 and at first it caught him off guard. He was thinking, and 113 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.680 that's a really big deer, and then when he got close he saw what 114 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.399 it was and then it ran off. But when he was a teenager, 115 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:18.560 he hunted a lot around the Monroe Connecta County line and also the Monroe and 116 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:20.319 Clark County line. On both sides of the county, there's rivers. The 117 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:26.360 Alabama River is the border between Clark and Monroe County, and the Subulba is 118 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.919 part of the border between Connecta and Monroe County. But again there's that correlation, 119 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.279 if you will, between swamps and rivers and sightings. But he was 120 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.879 having a lot of sightings on his property. Of the last one he told 121 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.480 me about was he and his daughter who was home from college. They were 122 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:46.559 going out to check a deer feet on their property, and when they pulled 123 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:50.639 up where the deer feeder was, they saw one turn around and walk out 124 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.679 run away from him. He said it was every bit of seven feet tall, 125 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.440 and where my dad had his siding wasn't an area close to the Alabama 126 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:03.159 River. And his siding was really strange because he worked for the phone company 127 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:05.840 his whole life and he would have to call once of the month. This 128 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:11.919 is back in the days of landline, so if somebody phone was fritzen out, 129 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:13.960 they would call the they'd called the work line, and he would have 130 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.759 to go out and do it. And he told me that he went to 131 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.840 this house and it was way back in the woods, and when he got 132 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:26.879 there and my dad knew everybody nearby knew. My dad said he had two 133 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.399 guys basically meet him at his work truck with choppolins, and they said my 134 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:33.159 dad was named j JP Getting the house, Getting the house. So my 135 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:37.279 dad's working on his phone and he hears this thing screaming off in the distance, 136 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:41.399 and the guys are like, we don't know what that is, but 137 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:45.519 it's killed my hogs. My dad grew up in that area too, in 138 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.679 southwest Monroe County. My dad he fished. He wasn't like that hunter, 139 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:52.480 but he fished so much. He knew animals, towns and all that. 140 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:56.320 He told me and my friend the one that actually has the experiences on property 141 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:00.919 because we were teenagers. He says, I've never heard or anything like that. 142 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.519 And when he left the house, he pulled out and he was headed 143 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.480 around a curve and he said it walked out in front of him, and 144 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:13.039 he slammed on grapes and he said it looked like a gorilla and then it 145 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.399 dropped down in what he described like knuckleball into the woods. Now he had 146 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:18.879 been drinking when he told us this, so we took it with a grain 147 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.559 of salt. And my dad had a great sense of humor, but I 148 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:24.960 can always tell when he was serious. When I asked him about that experience. 149 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.840 I was actually in Pyramedic school and I just remember something on the local 150 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.440 news about a possible big foot side and I was like, Dad, is 151 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.919 he something like that? And he just looked at me and said, I 152 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.159 don't know what I saw. Let's just sleep that. He'd never talked about 153 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:46.000 it again, but that area, it was very pushed about those sightings. 154 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.559 Of my two buddies in high school, one had an experienced in the tree 155 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.600 stand. He was about to get down out of a tree stand, heard 156 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.000 some rustling, smelled something really nasty. Thought at first it was a hog, 157 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.600 and that he described it as a part of my bridge, a big 158 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:03.559 damn gorilla walking through the woods, and he said it scared and so bad. 159 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:05.639 He had a thirty all to six and he was like, I didn't 160 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:09.120 feel safe. And then he had to make the decision do I get down 161 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:11.559 and go to my vehicle put or do I spend the night in a tree 162 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:16.279 stand. And some other friends of mine they were on a dirt road going 163 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:22.679 near a creek and they thought they happened upon a bear. Now bear and 164 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:26.559 Monroe County are very rare of it. They're there. They thought it was 165 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:31.559 a bear, this said, until it stood up and they said, big 166 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.679 ethan gorilla and it jumped across the road and ran away. But that was 167 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:37.320 the thing is nobody really talked about it. They would just say, hey, 168 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:39.759 let me tell you what I saw out in the woods, that sort 169 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:45.320 of thing. So I grew up with those stories and my buddy, that's 170 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.120 the kind of stuff that he was telling me. He's had footprints, he 171 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.039 ate, even one of his hunting dogs killed. He's pretty sure that's what 172 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.879 did it. But yeah, the area where I grew up in Monroe County 173 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.919 Alabama has a kind of has a little bit of a hushed history of SIDI 174 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:03.639 and encounters of that nature. It definitely sounds like it. So let's get 175 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.320 to your encounter that you guys had down in Falk, Arkansas. Take us 176 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:11.080 back to where you guys were, what were you doing, and what happened 177 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:16.120 to you? Just the backstory is I'm teaching University of South Alabama and I 178 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:20.200 was doing a recruiting trip to Louisiana Delta Community College there in West Monroe, 179 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:24.240 and I decided to take Josh with me little father son road trip, and 180 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.080 I'd been the year before, and when I was in my hotel room, 181 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.159 I just googled to see how closed fout because I saw Legend of Boggy Creek 182 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:35.080 as a teenager. I saw it on VHS and liked it, giggled at 183 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:39.399 it a little bit, but I still liked the story behind it because it 184 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:43.960 reminded me of some of the stuff that I heard in Monroe County. So 185 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:48.240 I googled it and saw that, oh facts only two hours and so told 186 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:50.159 Josh. I was like, hey, let's go to the Monster Market. 187 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:54.559 And it was closed because it was a Sunday, but we took some pictures 188 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.440 in front of the mock ups and all that, and then we decided to 189 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.159 go see Boggy Creek itself. And there's a website I think it's about monthster 190 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:05.759 dot net. It actually got pulled up and I can show you the locations. 191 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.320 You can compare our video. It's exactly it's the County Road seven picture 192 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.919 about months for dot net. We went there and it was at least one 193 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:18.360 hundred degrees. It was really hot because it was August thirteenth of this year. 194 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.360 So we drove north Old seven across the creek and we found a little 195 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:26.480 spot and we turned around and we were parking facing south. I was just 196 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:31.080 gonna take pictures because this is the legendary Body Creek, and it was actually 197 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.919 Josh's idea to just record it. We reported a little bit of something and 198 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:39.120 they just walking up taking pictures and we were there maybe ten twenty minutes, 199 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.879 don't remember how long. I just remember it's hot. And then as we 200 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.279 were walking back to the car, I did notice that the west side of 201 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.440 the creek was completely silent. Now this is around twelve thirty and afternoon. 202 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:54.279 In the east side of the creek, very noisy, creek creaters, crickets, 203 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.960 whatnot. There was a house on the east side of the creek and 204 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:01.639 they had property that out to the creek, and there was another house just 205 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.039 south of that one that was probably about twenty five yards off the road with 206 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:09.000 a privacy fence, but there was nobody out there. I did notice that 207 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:13.480 it was odd that the west side of the creek is completely quiet. And 208 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:16.480 as we're walking back car, Josh is like, Dan, I think I 209 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.799 hear something moving, and I said, nice, it's some man war. 210 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:24.720 Then he's let's let's record it it. We got my car roll the windows 211 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.600 down in Josh, how did you have We were just using the iPhone, 212 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.440 so I just winded sideways propped in the window because it was like they had 213 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.039 a little bit of windows sticking up out of the door, and I just 214 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.440 propped it there. And we sat there with the car off, and Josh 215 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:43.519 was hearing things and I heard some things too, but I just assumed it 216 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:48.399 was people. There was probably about a quarter mile south of us was a 217 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.440 house because we heard like a squaw, so I'm thinking bird, and then 218 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.720 I hear something that sounds like oh, and I'm thinking it's just somebody about 219 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:01.240 a quarter mile down the way. So we it there and we can hear 220 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:03.480 some more rustling and all that, and then we packed up. We leave 221 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:07.480 and we get back to the hotel and he's in the shower and I'm just 222 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:13.440 popping my EarPods and listen. And that's when on the video he says, 223 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.000 did you hear that? And of course I didn't hear it. He says 224 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.320 it's a and you hear something right before that goes and he goes, it's 225 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:22.879 ao and he makes the sound. And then right after that, you hear 226 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:26.679 like a knock, and I was listening to that going no. And then 227 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.080 a little later on in the video you can hear some more rustling. You 228 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.559 hear something that so was like a then a very a softer wood knock. 229 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:39.679 Soup. I'm rewinding this stuff. God, there's no way we got So 230 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:41.279 when he comes out, I'm like, listen to this. Do you hear 231 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:45.200 this knock? Is that me closing the car door? That's not you closing 232 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.320 the car door. You'd already closed the car door before I filmed. And 233 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:52.879 I was like, what about that yell that was coming? And he points 234 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:54.960 to where the video is he said, that's coming from out there. I 235 00:15:54.960 --> 00:16:00.799 said, yeah, I thought so too, And I didn't hear the hooks, 236 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.120 but he did. But what was just shocking was listening back to it. 237 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:07.960 And I probably wast have watched that video at least ten times in a 238 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:12.320 row. I was like, there's no way we thought something like that. 239 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:17.159 But it was a weird experience. The fact that everything was quiet on the 240 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:21.879 West Side. I'm not saying it was uneasy, but it definitely there was 241 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:23.679 definitely a weird vibe going on. When we were walking back. For Josh, 242 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:29.480 it's like, I think I hear something, let's report, and yeah, 243 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:33.080 it was just shocking to hear what's sound like wood knocks and then the 244 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.559 sighing and the hooks. But he heard that. And if you watch the 245 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:41.759 video that we said, you hear Josh's commentary, did you hear that? 246 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:47.320 Of course I probably don't hear well. But he heard the hoop and he 247 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:48.799 heard all that stuff. When I went back and listened, I was like, 248 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:53.000 everything he said he heard, he described it to a t. And 249 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:57.759 we're trying to rationalize, Okay, what could this have been. This could 250 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:02.720 not have been the monster, It had to be something else. But when 251 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:04.880 I was like Okay, maybe there were people in the yard in the house. 252 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:08.119 Maybe that's what we heard. And he goes, nobody in the yard, 253 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:11.440 and I do that too, but I'm trying not to jump to the 254 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:18.359 conclusion that what we heard. But after listening to it and reaching out to 255 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:22.279 William Lunsford and I sent it to Lyle when Lyle's busy and he's had health 256 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:26.400 problems. But he came back Lunce for it. He's, yeah, this 257 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:29.920 heard these kinds of things too. And I did tell you that it's an 258 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:33.200 email with my friend in back of Monroe County. He's been doing a lot 259 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:34.240 of research. So I sent it to him. I said, Okay, 260 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:38.920 I'm not asking you to validate anything, but tell me what you hear. 261 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:41.240 Like ten minutes later, he goes, man, I heard like some woods 262 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.839 and of wood knocks. I mean, that's nuts. And so I'm like, 263 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.799 okay, we're not crazy. We caught some things. That's where we 264 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:53.200 are. I've read and you listen to your podcast and others that there's two 265 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:59.720 roads you go down when you haven't experienced some people are like done never going 266 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:02.799 back in wood again. And we'll talk about it. Which it was like 267 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:04.839 my dad and then there's the other way. You just really want answers, 268 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:08.720 just want to I'm not crazy, right, there's something that made these sounds. 269 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:14.119 And that's what got us into the research game, so to speak, 270 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:17.599 is with investigating things that are close to us, because now it's okay, 271 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:22.480 we possibly had an experience, so let's try to find some answers. And 272 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:25.240 that's really what we're trying to do it. We're just we're trying to get 273 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:27.960 answers from experts like you and everybody else. Again, not to validate our 274 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:32.839 experience, but to say, Okay, you might have had something, you 275 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:56.079 might not have had something. Share share, that's always right. Else there's 276 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:47.200 something there. M m, now you got something. Animals are starting to 277 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:52.319 talk now, shes we were here and keep a good spin because we were 278 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:59.519 here. Laur still here, I know Navous like besides as more noisy, 279 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:12.240 that's there's nothing that's like something. I can't you know, we're not top 280 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:19.759 this. I'm here and so I'm more ruffling on this side. Can just 281 00:20:19.839 --> 00:22:03.519 boy, I can't really think it is. Everything's beck by tip now and 282 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:07.160 stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to sea. We'll be right back after these 283 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:15.039 messages. I want to go to my skeptic friend here and talk to Josh 284 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:17.680 for a second. When your dad brought that to your attention, Josh and 285 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:19.920 you put the earbuds in, did you hear the same thing your dad was 286 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:25.160 hearing on the recording that you heard in real time that day? It was 287 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:29.480 much louder. Surprisingly, I think it was because the microphone on the phone 288 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:33.160 was actually faced outward more out of the car and I was sitting in it, 289 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:38.480 which I think could have amplified it. But also what kind of said 290 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:44.039 it for me as well was when we compared the sounds to coyotes, foxes, 291 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:47.599 We compared it to owls as well, even though I was in the 292 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:55.599 middle of the day and nothing was really similar, and that it did sound 293 00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:59.000 pretty much the exact same of what I've heard. There were some sounds that 294 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.359 I didn't hear at all. I don't really think about it when I heard 295 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:07.559 of until he pointed out most of them. I'm so glad that you guys 296 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.240 actually captured what you were hearing in real time. Because I just got back 297 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:14.880 from the Radium expedition up in BC, Canada with Todd Standing, I'm going 298 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:18.480 through the hours of audio that I'm gone through every single time we hear something 299 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:22.119 on the audio, you hear us say hey do you hear that, or 300 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:25.799 somebody else say did you hear this? And we heard it clear as day 301 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:29.039 as we're sitting there, but nothing's on the audio recorder. Now, I 302 00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:32.480 did have another recorder that would sit a little further back into the woods that 303 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:36.079 I'm hoping where we were talking a lot of times we were talking when these 304 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:38.480 things were going on, So I'm hoping that when I get through that audio 305 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:41.759 that it was captured. But I admittedly have not watched your video. I 306 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:45.480 don't get into that a whole lot before I have the interviews because I like 307 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.119 to experience everything in real time. So I will post it up on the 308 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:52.720 Sasquatch Odyssey blog so you guys can check it out. I'll probably post it 309 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:55.839 on some social media when this comes out, so the audience can hear and 310 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:59.960 experience what you guys are talking about in real time. It is frustrating because 311 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.680 even though if you capture, you still have questions because you didn't see what 312 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:06.559 made the sound. I know it's hard to be definitive, but Josh, 313 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:10.359 what else could it have been? For you? Being the skeptic in the 314 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:14.079 situation, Is there anything that you can think of that you guys might have 315 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:18.400 heard other than if you rule everything out, OCAM's razor tells you you might 316 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:22.240 have caught a sasquatch on video and audio. The only thing I could think 317 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:26.559 of is right now, tell my head, maybe a cat possibly for the 318 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:30.119 squawk, But everything else, I have no clue. My first thing with 319 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:34.759 the wood knocks when I heard that first loud knock, as I said, 320 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.279 were you recording when I closed the car door? Because I have a hybrid, 321 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:41.400 and I have one of those hybrids that if you shut the car off, 322 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:45.759 the car will not turn off until you open the driver's side door, 323 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:48.759 so to roll the windows down turn the car on. And I had to 324 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:52.039 do that, and I was thinking, Okay, that was me closing the 325 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:55.519 door. That me trying to rationalize what I heard. And then I was 326 00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:57.359 like, okay, were there anybody? Was there anybody working in the yard 327 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:03.279 behind us that was hitting something? And we both remember there was nobody that 328 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:06.880 I don't think there was even anybody home, like there was any cars the 329 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:11.000 driveway. And then the yell that we hear right after the video. You 330 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:14.680 hear the squawk of the year. So the sound was like, Oh, 331 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.599 I was like, maybe that was that Alice. That's four miles out us 332 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:21.880 and it still could have been. It was a pretty still day. It 333 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:23.839 was a slight breeze, but again, being one hundred degrees, it was 334 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:27.440 more like a hair dryer than it was anything else. We were talking, 335 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:30.799 Okay, it could have been this, it could have been that, and 336 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:33.240 then yeah, he started pulling up coyote noises. He started pulling up all 337 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:38.799 these other noises. We started immediately saying, okay, let's look at what 338 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:44.920 it could be first before we go into Okay, this might have been a 339 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.440 sasquatch, And I think we did a decent job. That was like after 340 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:49.519 he got out of the shower and he listened to it, and then we 341 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:53.079 just he started pulling up sounds. Could have been this and that, and 342 00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:59.799 then it was like, nothing sounds anywhere close to that. So again he 343 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:03.200 Owkham's razor. It comes out to Okay, since we've eliminated the common things 344 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:08.000 and the fact that after all of these experiences, then the west side of 345 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.359 the creek you hear animal noises. Yet in the video, towards the end 346 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:15.240 of the video, you will hear it coming back. And I actually comment 347 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:17.839 about that. I'm like, yeah, now we can hear the creek trittters 348 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:22.079 back. I don't don't consider myself an outdoorsman, but I spend enough time 349 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:26.200 in the woods growing up to know that if the woods gets quiet, there's 350 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:30.039 something there. And it was just weird that the west side of that creek 351 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.720 was just dead calm, while the east side was literally buzzing. And then 352 00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:41.799 when we heard the yells and all that, then everything it's like somebody turned 353 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.400 the volume up. Then you could hear the creek critters and stuff come back 354 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.599 to life or whatever. So I found that weird, and just the vibe 355 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.920 itself was a little weird, and even the videos just trying to pinpoint where 356 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.039 we might have been and where these sounds might have come from. It's almost 357 00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:59.920 like when we went back and listened to it and we're watching the video, 358 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:04.559 it's like that thing could have been if it was a sasquatch. It wasn't 359 00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:10.680 far from us. Actually thinking about it is a little unnerd. We actually 360 00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:12.039 joked and said, Dad, what would you have done if you'd have seen 361 00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.519 it in the review? Bear, I'm like, bye, We're going, 362 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:19.519 yeah. It's one thing that people really can't understand unless you've been in that 363 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:25.400 situation, is when you think you're really close to what could be a sasquatch. 364 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:27.599 We did that up in Radium. We had a lot of activity going 365 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.279 on. We were getting a lot of woodknocks, were hearing what sounded like 366 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:36.279 samurai chatter and whoops, and we ended up taking about a forty five minute 367 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:38.720 night hike into the middle of the woods. We're seventeen miles out in the 368 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:42.039 middle of the woods to begin with, and then we leave base camp and 369 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:45.640 the comfort our our fire and walk out into the middle of the woods. 370 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.960 I'm actually working on that audio. I'll put it out on the show for 371 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:52.720 everybody to hear in the next couple of weeks. But I was shaking uncontrollably. 372 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.000 I was a cop for sixteen years. I'm a man's man, right, 373 00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.119 I'm in the middle of the freaking woods, and me and Kyle's dad, 374 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.960 Richard are shaking uncontrollably. And that was cold outside. Admittedly it was 375 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.559 pretty chilly, but I had thermals on. Dude. I was ready for 376 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.480 this kind of stuff. And I believe I can't prove this obviously, it's 377 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.000 subjective, but I think we were close to something, and I think my 378 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.839 body was telling me, dude, you need to be going the opposite way, 379 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:23.279 and you're walking towards this. I don't think my body wanted me to 380 00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.599 go where we were going. I said all that to say, unless you've 381 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:30.599 been in that situation, it's very difficult to describe the feeling. I've heard 382 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.960 people talk about it on the show of Dread and this feeling that comes over 383 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:37.440 you, your hair stands up on the back of your neck and those kind 384 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.480 of things. But I definitely know what you're talking about as far as that. 385 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:42.759 I want to talk about the wood knocks a little bit because that's something 386 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:47.000 that I've experienced for the first time here a couple of months back on my 387 00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.880 property. Never heard anything before. Then I hear what sounds like four crisp 388 00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:53.079 like cower knocks in the middle of the night, like three o'clock in the 389 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.799 morning, when I'm out peeing off the front porch. Then we go up 390 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.920 to radium, we heard a ton of wood knock. We heard some dere 391 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.000 in the middle of the day. We're going out on just going out to 392 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:07.200 enjoy some scenery and not even really doing bigfoot stuff. And we hear wood 393 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:12.279 knocks close, maybe one hundred yards away. It's very difficult to describe. 394 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:17.440 Again, if you haven't heard what a wood knock sounds like, it is 395 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:21.240 very distinctive. There was woodpeckers up there. We heard woodpeckers. There were 396 00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:25.240 big Douglas firs that would sway in the wind and they would pop and creak 397 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.880 and do the things that trees do. But if you hear a wood knock, 398 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:33.319 now that I believe I've heard it multiple times now here in North Carolina 399 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:38.319 and now in Radium, it's a very distinctive thing. So describe a little 400 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.799 bit more in detail what you guys heard. Had you heard anything that sounded 401 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.160 like that? Did it immediately resonate to you that it was definitely not a 402 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.359 woodpecker, It wasn't anything other than a wood knock, or did you have 403 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.279 to rule some things out when it came to that as well. No, 404 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.319 it was surprising because on the video with Josh says, did you hear that? 405 00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.000 Will you hear something that says like oop? And then Josh goes, 406 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:00.480 did you hear that? And I'm like no, he says it's a whoop 407 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.960 and then right after it as a pump, and as far as comparing it 408 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.960 to something, we had pretty much most of the trees on our property blown 409 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:14.799 down and Hurricane Sally September twenty twenty because only by the grace of God that 410 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.160 we didn't have our house cave and we've got three huge oak trees. It 411 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:21.720 will be the last time I will ride out of a storm. Because I 412 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:25.599 was wide awake and I was listening to limbs. I'm talking limbs that are 413 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:30.279 twenty feet long and five feet around top and break, so I'm pretty familiar 414 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.640 with what that sounds like. But this sounds like somebody took like a small 415 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:38.000 baseball bat and just goes and hits a tree and it's just pomp It's just 416 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.559 it was very clear, and that's what was shocking, because right after he 417 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.160 says there's a hoop, you hear a pump. And I rewound that part 418 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:51.279 probably at least five times, and then honestly, the hairs on the back 419 00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:52.519 of my neck stood up. When I listened to that. I'm like, 420 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.440 that's not a limb popping. Maybe maybe it's me closing the door. And 421 00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.599 that's when I asked Josh, He's no, he had already closed the door 422 00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.480 and had the windows down before I started recording. And one thing that I 423 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.119 did was I went on a line and found some audio for people who had 424 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:12.279 recorded with Knox, and I was like, oh, that sounds almost identical. 425 00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:17.000 So yeah. When I did that, then the hair is really stood 426 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:18.880 up on the back of my neck and I was like, oh, wow, 427 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:30.279 we might actually have something here. I remember we smoked it. That's 428 00:31:30.319 --> 00:33:08.599 not all you record here, right, men say okay, the tire tracks 429 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:37.039 then start Yeah, that's pretty cool stuff. You talked a little bit about 430 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.079 some research that you guys are doing closer to home. Talk a little bit 431 00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:42.599 about that. Where are you guys going, what are you guys finding, 432 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:44.960 and what kind of success are you have in doing it closer to home. 433 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:49.319 We're starting out. We don't know what questions to ask. We're going over 434 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.920 to Santa Rosa County, Florida. They had a road crossing on September eighth 435 00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:57.519 that was on the big Foot mapping project, So we decided just to go 436 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.440 over there and just see the tear story. It's very rural, and again 437 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:06.599 it's right on the edge of a huge state forest. There lots of creeks, 438 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:08.960 lots of power line cut through, so we went to the actual area 439 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:14.000 of the road crossing. We walked the power line cut through. We found 440 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:21.559 another power line cut through that we explored and had something a little weird happened. 441 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.000 We were outwalking the power line cut and we could hear dogs because it's 442 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:30.559 close to some houses, and but we heard something that kind of just say, 443 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:35.639 yell, We're like a weird croud like I learned a real growl bark 444 00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.360 thing. And we actually caught that on video and Josh goes, well, 445 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:43.320 that's not a dog, and then I started recording too late, but before 446 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:47.239 you said, about a minute later, it sounded like coyotes. But it 447 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:51.000 was weird. It was almost like some type of Dracula stuff. This thing 448 00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:57.599 screams out and then we've got just nothing but hows and we actually back down 449 00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:01.039 the area because I'm thinking, man kaya bodies and I forgot my bullet. 450 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:07.239 That was strange. And then when we were filming around there, we caught 451 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:09.159 something I don't know. I don't know what it was. I don't know 452 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:13.880 if it's paradolia, I don't know what it is, but it looks like 453 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:19.159 something's peeping out the side a tree. I'm just scanning because I'm scanned of 454 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.760 looking at something else, and Josh was the one going through this, Dad, 455 00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.159 what is that? And I'm like, oh, that's a shadow and 456 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:29.400 it does look like it ove some lovel but I don't nut, so I'm 457 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.800 not gonna say with filmed something it's it's a little weird. I actually brought 458 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.679 up the video and just showed it to my son in law. I was 459 00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.599 like, Hey, this is what we're doing. The first thing he goes 460 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:43.079 is, what's that thee because it's black and it just looks like it's doing 461 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.079 again. I don't know we will to go back out there to that side 462 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:50.800 again. But this screen growl and then the coyotes starting to how was pretty 463 00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:52.400 weird. We backed out of there because I don't have my gun with me 464 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.519 and I don't want us to have a whole bunch of coyotes come out after 465 00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:01.159 That was strange. But I may contact with another researcher. He lives in 466 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:07.039 that area and he's told me that area has had a history of encounters, 467 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.559 especially in that state forest. I think it's really cool that you guys are 468 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.360 using the Bigfoot mapping project and I've had Scott on the show. He's an 469 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.320 awesome dude. He puts a ton of work into that site. So for 470 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:21.360 anybody listening that hasn't heard that show I did with Scott, or you're not 471 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:23.639 familiar with the Bigfoot Mapping Project, you can get it online or you can 472 00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:27.920 get an app. I think it's two bucks and you get unlimited use for 473 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:31.360 the app from now on. It really gives you all the information he compiles 474 00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:36.679 from everybody the b FRO and anybody who reports stuff directly to him, and 475 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:40.440 you can find these really amazing encounters that are fresh in a lot of cases 476 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:45.719 because he updates almost in real time on the Bigfoot Mapping Project. So if 477 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:47.519 you guys haven't checked it out, go check it out. If you haven't 478 00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:52.000 listened to that episode with Scott here on tasquatch Otysy, you can go back 479 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:53.920 in the archives and listen to that. It's a really cool episode with him, 480 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:58.719 and he really gets into detail about how he culminates and gets a lot 481 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:01.039 of these reports and where he gets from and how he vets them before they 482 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:04.719 go on the Bigfoot Mapping Project. I really think it's a cool thing that 483 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.199 you guys are using that because It's really an underrated tool in my opinion, 484 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:13.360 and a very underused tool when people are actually going out and doing the research. 485 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:15.280 Let me ask you this for you. You guys have had these couple 486 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:20.440 of experiences. This is something that it's come up a lot recently with me, 487 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.719 and I've asked if people on the show, what is it that's driving 488 00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:28.280 you? Is it to have that sighting? Do you want to just get 489 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.119 the answers of what these things are? Is it accommodation of all of those 490 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.559 things? What is it for you Jason? And then what is it for 491 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:39.199 you Josh? To get into the research? I think number one is and 492 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:43.480 I don't want to speak forraor researchers, but I think you want to have 493 00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:47.119 that site. Think you want to see it. It's one thing to hear 494 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:52.000 the wood Knox. It's one thing you have the vocalizations, but to actually 495 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:57.400 like what happened with my dad he watched one cross the road that and just 496 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.440 the answers that what is it? I'm like him, I'm very much think 497 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:05.280 that this is an eight. So I don't view it as scary. I 498 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.440 just viewed as fascinating that we've got something that big that could remain hidden for 499 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:14.719 so long. But yeah, it's deciding and just the knowing more about it. 500 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.639 It's a fascination real. I think I just want to see it proved 501 00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.880 as an actual animal, because if we don't have it classified as anything, 502 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:28.840 it can very well disappear one day without anybody actually proving it existed. Because 503 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.480 if you like, look the big of the mapping project, there's like thousands 504 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:37.199 on there, so all of them can't be fake. For me, I 505 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:42.000 also think it's about proving it's real to other people into the mainstream science, 506 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.400 just letting people know that it's real and something to look out, or because 507 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:50.079 I think it's a cool thing. I think back to the Dancy along with 508 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:53.719 me. He fully mentioned deciding what he's drinking, and he would talk about 509 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:58.719 it again. I think it's there's a lot of people out there like that 510 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:02.679 who probably had some experiences and they're not going to little tell people because if 511 00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:07.079 they tell people, oh, Bob seeing Bigfoot, that sort of thing. 512 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:12.559 I work in academia. I don't really talk about Bigfoot with my colleagues or 513 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:16.199 something like that, but you would be surprised. One of my colleagues actually, 514 00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:21.079 the one that I traveled with to West Monroe last year. I was 515 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.360 like, hey, man, let's take a detort with fout. He looked 516 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.679 at me, Man, I'm scared of stuff like that. I don't know 517 00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:29.360 if it's real or not. But I don't want to know if it's out 518 00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.840 there. I don't even want to know about it. I just want to 519 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.559 know when I go out to my fishing camp. I just want to live 520 00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.960 and ignorance that nothing like that is out there. I think that's what it 521 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.480 is for a lot of people. And you mentioned academian. I think that's 522 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:44.280 really an interesting point to all of this. One of the things we talked 523 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:47.719 about around the campfire a lot when I was up in Radium is Todd had 524 00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.960 not only Jeff Meldrum doctor Meldrum out to his research site, but he also 525 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:59.320 had doctor John Bendernaggle, the late Bender Nagle and stay tuned for more sasquatch 526 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:07.119 O to see right back after these messages, two PhDs that were really into 527 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:12.320 the subject of Bigfoot. I know, I'm confident there are others out there 528 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.840 that are been the Bigfoot closet that haven't come out yet and that are interested 529 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:19.840 in the subject. But I really think in order for us to push the 530 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:22.360 ball down the field, we have to have people in academia talking about this 531 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:27.360 in a serious way. I just don't know what it's going to take to 532 00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:31.119 push that ball down the field and get people out of the shadows and into 533 00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:36.079 really looking into the subject, because it's been a long time, in my 534 00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:40.480 opinion, since we've really had anything compelling. We had this Colorado train debacle 535 00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:45.280 come out recently. I didn't even know that it had been debunked as a 536 00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.599 hoax. I said that immediately is when people started sending it to me. 537 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.800 And then I was talking to Wayne when we were recording that Bigfoot podcast a 538 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:53.119 couple of days ago, when sah, yeah, I think the company that 539 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:57.239 filmed that came out said that was a hoax. This guy was in one 540 00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:00.519 of their suits or whatever. But it's sad to me that's really what garners 541 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.840 the attention in Bigfoot. It's the clickbait, the fake videos and the things 542 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:09.079 that people put out there that really set us back. I struggle. I'm 543 00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:13.960 still skeptical. I've had so many experiences that I can't explain, but I 544 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.800 haven't seen one. So it's very difficult for me to just totally commit and 545 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:22.440 say yes, I believe sasquatch is one hundred percent out there. If it 546 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.000 is, it's something special, I think I'm not in the wu camp. 547 00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:30.480 I don't get into it's anything other than a flesh and blood creature. But 548 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:35.159 to elude us in the same way that other animals do in some of the 549 00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:38.199 same areas is a fascinating thing in and of itself for me. So I 550 00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.079 ask you, I don't get into the what do you think it is? 551 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.119 Obviously you think it's some sort of an eight I agree with you wholeheartedly, 552 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:50.639 But how do you think as a researcher and having these experiences completely subjective, 553 00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:54.719 But how do you think these things have gone so long and remain And I 554 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:59.920 use the air quotes undiscovered because a lot of people would say they're not undiscos 555 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:04.119 because people discover them every time they see them. I agree with that on 556 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:08.360 some level, but to be recognized by mainstream science they are an undiscovered species. 557 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:10.599 It's a very long winded question. At the end of the day, 558 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:14.039 I guess the point is, how do you think these things? If it 559 00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:17.880 is just an ape walking around in the woods, how has it gone undiscovered 560 00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:22.880 for so long? This is all just by hypothesis. But I know when 561 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:28.119 we were walking the power line cut through with that road crossing was we had 562 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.119 two deer jump out of the woods in front of us and run away. 563 00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:35.920 We were almost right upon them. And I many times in my life when 564 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:37.360 I've been in the woods and you probably have the same thing where you walk, 565 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:40.840 ask something and the deer comes out. Deer are really good at hiding. 566 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:44.920 A lot of animals are really good at hiding. Go out amongst the 567 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:46.840 pile of leaves and have a poppery hit for a while. I think it's 568 00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:51.480 just like any other animal. It blends in so well with its environment. 569 00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:54.519 Animals, I think we don't give them the credit that they have, but 570 00:42:54.679 --> 00:43:00.000 they know how to avoid humans pretty well. You start encroaching on their territory, 571 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.880 they're gonna get away. They see us as a threat. And that's 572 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:06.639 just what I think is that. I just I don't think there's a lot 573 00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:08.440 of them, to be honest with you, I think if they ever get 574 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:13.599 classified, they're immediately going to go on the Dangerous BC's list, just because 575 00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:15.920 they're so rare. I'm not going to put a number of populations. I 576 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.280 wouldn't even know where again with that, but I don't think there's that many 577 00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:23.239 of them. I think maybe at one time there was a lot more when 578 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:28.039 you look back in the history of the country, the settlers and the colonists. 579 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:32.119 But as we expanded outward, we like wildlife, we encroached and they 580 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:36.159 moved to where we can't get to them. So I think that they just 581 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:39.679 they've adapted because we've encrushed on their environment and they're really good at, like 582 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.719 most animals, that blending in with their environment. Where I'm very hopeful of 583 00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:49.159 is this DNA project that I've heard on some podcasts from NC State, because 584 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:53.280 yeah, I think if you have say, ten samples from different parts of 585 00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:59.320 North America and it all comes back to some type of they, then science 586 00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.920 goes, Okay, ten different samples from ten different areas of North America. 587 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.519 It's got to be something I would hate to see somebody have to shoot one, 588 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:13.920 to be honest with you, because I think that would would you really 589 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:15.559 want to be known as the person who shot diickfoot? To me, that 590 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:21.559 is that's bad publicity, and I get it because that's really what science needs. 591 00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:23.320 But I'm hopeful with this DNA project that we won't have to go down 592 00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:29.719 there that somebody's gonna have to shoot one. I'm not hunter by any means, 593 00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.199 not that I have anything that gets hunting. I love venison like anybody 594 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:34.519 else. But my dad was a fisherman. That's what we did mostly growing 595 00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.000 up. But my thing is, if you shot one of these things, 596 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:39.719 now you've got to go track it and where's it gonna go. It's gonna 597 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:44.559 go deep in the woods and probably amongst more so to me, that's a 598 00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.559 script for a horror move. Is you're going to go with this valley of 599 00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:51.639 sasquatches and they're never gonna see. So that's the thing too, is that 600 00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:53.320 if you go shoot one of these things, you've got to go track it 601 00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:57.360 in and how are you gonna get it out? But I think the DNA 602 00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.800 project, I think if it ever gets classified, I think that's how it's 603 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.159 going to happen, is that we're going to get start getting legit samples in 604 00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.519 and they're going to test them to go, Okay, it's an eight. 605 00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:09.840 It comes back to an unknown form of ape, and we've got an using 606 00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:15.159 the number ten samples from Canada and throughout the continental United States. Men's science 607 00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.800 has to pay attention to it. Yeah, you don't have a body, 608 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.440 but you've got physical evidence in DNA. Yeah. I definitely hope you're right. 609 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:27.079 I talked to Darby Orcutt, who's heading up that study that you're talking 610 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.199 about here at NC State in my home state of North Carolina. I was 611 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:35.280 hopeful after having that conversation over dinner with Darby, is that they can do 612 00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:39.440 that because of the advancements and having the study backed by the university. I 613 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:43.800 think changes the game in a lot of ways, because if you're like me 614 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:47.960 and somebody says DNA and bigfoot, you start cringing because of the Sasquat's genome 615 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.599 project and that debacle. I've covered that ad nauseum on the show about all 616 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:57.719 the issues with that study. But I think this is much different because of 617 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.199 the advancements that they've made and they can and sequence this stuff out with a 618 00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:05.760 very minute sample. So I, like you, I'm hopeful. I don't 619 00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:09.000 know that it'll ever be enough, but maybe the DNA and some really good 620 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:15.559 high quality video of these things over a long period of time, maybe multiple 621 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:21.519 videos from the same place might happen, might work as far as proving the 622 00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.000 species. But who knows. I guess we can all be hopeful and just 623 00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:28.800 hope for the best with the DNA stuff, and maybe somebody will get some 624 00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:30.800 really good video. I know. Again, Todd told me he's got more 625 00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:36.440 video that's coming out in his new documentary here next year, So I don't 626 00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:37.960 know. We'll have to see how that goes. But I really appreciate you 627 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:42.760 guys coming on, Jason and Josh coming on and sharing your experiences, sharing 628 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.360 your videos and the audio from the videos. I'm really excited to put that 629 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.880 out and let people hear it. I appreciate you guys taking the time to 630 00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:52.199 come on and talk to me. No, we're glad you made the time 631 00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.559 for us because we just want some answers. Like everybody else, we had 632 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:58.320 something odd happened to us, and we're just looking to make sure that, 633 00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:01.000 like I said, we're not crazy, which we still couldn't be. Yeah, 634 00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:04.119 in a different way. Oh, do you mind if I run something 635 00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.320 by your reflection, your experience. We'll send you another video we might have 636 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.960 found here. Don't know yet. Again, I'm not a woodsman, but 637 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:17.400 we found toughed of something that looked like here about seven feet up, and 638 00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:21.320 we've got those videos. Now I know there are things that grow off oak 639 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.360 trees and pond trees that look like here. I don't know it helped like 640 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:29.360 here a little bit thicker. But I've got a forward student of mine who 641 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:31.800 is also a vet peck, and I messaged her, was like, hey, 642 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:35.679 can you tell if something's animal here or not? So I'm actually going 643 00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.440 to take it to her tomorrow at her office and let her look at it. 644 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:44.159 But we actually I pulled one strand down and it feels like a thread, 645 00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:50.000 but it doesn't. And then it was strong along some strung along with 646 00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.840 some smaller twigs. So he jumped up and grabbed it the twig so we 647 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.119 still got it on there. So we ran to local Walmart, got gloves, 648 00:47:55.119 --> 00:48:00.960 put it zip lock bags and it looks like it got material on it 649 00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.000 or something, but again I don't know. I showed it to my new 650 00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:07.079 research buddy out of Santa Rose County. He's a hunter. He don't know 651 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.159 from the video. He says there's things that grow freeze wo't like here, 652 00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.119 and he's one. He said, if you can find a bit, they 653 00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:16.039 can centile here, so we'll know. But it's the Blackwater State Forest in 654 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:22.480 Santa Rose County and there's a nice walking trail. Probably were about two and 655 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:27.039 a half miles, so we had gone down to a bridge because it crosses 656 00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.000 the power line cut through where we had these weird experiences, because we're thinking 657 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:36.639 about going back over there maybe Sunday morning or Sunday evening, just standing on 658 00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:39.079 that bridge that straddles that cut through and just seeing if anything pops up. 659 00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:44.079 Josh ran ahead and as he stopped he looks up. He goes, Hey, 660 00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:49.639 what's this. So it's a out six I'm six feet on a good 661 00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.320 day. This is at least seven seven half feet up and it just looks 662 00:48:52.400 --> 00:49:00.480 like some stringy care Again not an outdoorsman, but we were like, that's 663 00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:04.480 just that's weird. We kept it and I'm letting my vet tech friend look 664 00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:07.280 at it, the guy over Santa Rose County, he's very interested in taking 665 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:08.599 a look at it. Yeah, I'm be interested to see what the vettex 666 00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:12.079 says. A vet or even the vetext should be able to put it under 667 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.239 a microscope. Yeah, tell if it's hair. Maybe if you got real 668 00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:19.760 hair and they don't know what it's from. I know Doug Hicheck is doing 669 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.000 legend meet science too, I don't know if you're familiar with Doug or yeah, 670 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.280 oh yeah. They're actually supposed to be sending a crew out to interview 671 00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:28.760 me here in North Carolina for that show here in a couple of weeks. 672 00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:31.599 But he's still looking for samples. They're going to do some DNA stuff if 673 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:35.480 it turns out to be suspect. And if you want to send me the 674 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.920 video, I forward it on. I'll text Doug and send it to him 675 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:39.760 tomorrow and let him take a look at it. He's pretty good at picking 676 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:43.559 up on that pretty quickly, whether it's hare or not. And if it 677 00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:45.920 is what it might be. That's the thing is that if it's a tree 678 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:50.559 growth, that's fine, but we're learning to be researchers and it's and if 679 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.199 something looks odd, you might want to pay attention to it due diligence, 680 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:58.199 and that's what it's all about. Then the researcher of Santa Rose County, 681 00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:00.320 he again says, yeah, there's a lot of give idiot, but it 682 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:06.840 just gets unreported because nobody wants to say, oh, I had bigfoot cross 683 00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:08.920 the road in front of it. But yeah, that happened Sunday when we 684 00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:15.840 found that and we might have actually stumbled. I say stumbled because we're novice 685 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:19.599 reseurg is into a very active area. But when you look at the Bigfoot 686 00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:23.039 mapping project, if you just look at Florida San Jose County, it's this 687 00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:30.320 Highway eighty seven. There's at least three sidings along that road. That was 688 00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.760 the thing that jumped out at us. When we were looking at the hat, 689 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.360 We're like, wow, there's more than one. This is the latest 690 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.920 one. And then oh there's the Blackwater State Forest which is right there. 691 00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:47.400 That whole area is really nothing but woods, creeks and ireland except prime habitat. 692 00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:52.800 Man. I appreciate it. Guys. They say, you don't gotta 693 00:50:52.960 --> 00:51:02.800 go home, but you can't stay, so I don't stop. Feels the 694 00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:30.920 world happen steps step chid, this child, that child, everything came right 695 00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:39.119 back, Pride back, a joy for me. Enjoy staying right, come 696 00:51:39.199 --> 00:52:35.239 in right away, still stay stas st st stating fact. Talk about the 697 00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:52.559 stasists, us status, THESS