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The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall
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you, Yeah No, Chucky May
second, twenty twenty three, allegedly according

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to that thing we call a calendar, and this is indeed the show you're

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looking for, even though I might
not be quite recognizable via my voice.

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Welcome to it. Here we are, oh boy, Tursday, Tuesday,

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and it's not the second broadcast day
of the week, because well, I

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was trying to rest a bit,
but I wanted to do a special show

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tonight with a friend of mine that
I haven't gotten to uh talk to it

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all really recently, um a little
bit privately. We've been able to exchange

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texts, but he hasn't been on
the show. I haven't really gotten a

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chance to talk to him. He's
been busy. Maybe i'll talk about some

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of the things that have happened since
the last time that he was on the

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show. But we'll find out.
And also with the celebration of the ten

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years of the Ocelli Effect and all
that good stuff. Um, you know,

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he'll be part of the magic bullet
thing too pretty soon, whether he

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knows it or not, because we
did for a little while. Du porkins

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policy radio here on o'chelly dot com, after it was on American Freedom Radio,

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and of course after it was a
long time podcast all by itself elsewhere,

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it was over here on ochelli dot
com. And you'll be in the

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master archives here, Pierce. So
I actually have a bullet shaped thumb drive

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that's gonna come out this year,
and it's gonna be O'ceelli's Magic Bullet and

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it'll be the full ten years of
everything that's gone on the past decade,

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including shows I produced, which you
know remember a long time ago I asked

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about using your show in the archives. So finally that's coming to fruition.

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Okay, excellent, excellent, and
uh, anyway, that was a lot

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of fun. We had a little
trouble with your show here and there,

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got a little controversy this and that. But what else did we have controversy?

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Yeah? Yeah, you were one
of the first, like I've now

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been completely stripped from YouTube. I
don't know if you know that. Oh

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I didn't know. I did know
that. I did know that a little.

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Okay, yeah, my show's caused
some of that. Well, your

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show was part of the first time
then I think I was taken down and

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I got it back because there was
a Whitney Web interview. Oh well yeah,

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yeah, I mean I I took
that one down myself voluntarily. But

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anyway, Yeah, but what happened
is I had it on YouTube and nobody

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said anything for a while, and
it was taken down onto the weirdest of

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circumstances. It was part of a
couple of things that got taken down.

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You ready for this one, I
was cyber bullying according to that show,

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and another show on my own,
we were cyber bullying Jeffrey Epstein, just

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so you know. Oh yeah,
of course he was dead, So I

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don't know he's cyber bully dead guy. Well maybe not. When I did

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the one with Whitney, I think
she I think he was still alive at

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that point. Well he might have
been then, but it was taken down

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along with another one that I did, which was apparently part of a cyber

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bullying thing. So so weird.
But he was dead by the time this

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happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't know who was offended

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by that, but I don't know
Gilaine or some some other figure connected.

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I mean, he is dead,
but he obviously is still you know,

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living on in many ways. Well, here we go the zombie Epstein effect,

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what you know. And it's so
funny because you and I have spent

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a lot of time talking about it
unfortunately, and uh, we're gonna talk

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about it a little bit tonight,
right, I mean, what what is

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Yeah? Because well, just if
I can jump in, I just wanted

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to say it's it's really good to
be back. I feel it is like

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surreal, and I was I was
actually getting quite nervous. I was saying

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off air. My sister was was
was hanging out with us just a few

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minutes ago, and I kept kind
of being like, Okay, I gotta

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Chuck's about to call. I gotta
you know, I gotta get ready.

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I gotta get ready. Um.
So I was nervous. And it's it's

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great to be back. It's great
to hear your voice. Um, you

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know, as you said, we've
just been uh we've just really been texting.

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We haven't really I haven't talked to
you. I haven't talked to Aaron

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in quite some time outside of just
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So it's good. It's good to
be back. Um, I'm excited.

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I hope this is uh, you
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once off, and hopefully maybe we
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Oh no, look, I need
you if you want to come on and

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comment on and discuss and try and
rationally go through some things. I definitely

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need you. I mean, if
you take a look. Well, we

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could talk about the news cycle today
if you wanted to. But I'm almost

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not in the mood because weirdly,
I'm watching uh long tirades on CNN about

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Um, you're ready for this one. Uh. They're letting guys on there

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talk about how you know, illegal
immigrants are dangerous and because this guy you

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know, apparently I don't know,
shot and killed a bunch of people in

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Texas and had come across the border
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that's unusually illegal immigrants. That's the
story that Abbott is uh so far there.

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Yeah, um, but it's weird
to have Anderson Cooper letting a guy

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go on and on about that.
Um that's there. There's something odd going

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on at CNN. They just fired
Don Lemon too, I know, you

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know when I saw that, instantly, Amy was like, oh wow,

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they got Don Lemon, and I
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will be happy. Oh yeah,
well there's that. But you know what

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I'm not happy about is the recent
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who was also let go recently.
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saw that as well. Just do
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to to somehow you know that he
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and uh, I actually saw um, I don't know what podcast Tucker was

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on, but it was some kind
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kind of like uh right wing vague
vaguely alternative podcasts that you know, had

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Tucker Carlson on, and he's talking
about you know, the Epstein conspiracy and

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all of the right you know,
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I I suppose that he did talk
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but I mean, you know,
to listen to Tucker Carlson, you would

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think this guy is has never believed
the official story, has always been dying

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to sort of uncover um, you
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it's just I don't know, I
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Tucker Carlson from both seemingly kind of
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the weird thing is that all media
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long ago because of a couple of
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JFK person on his show to talk
about the document dump, a guy I

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knew and had on this show like
the day after, right, And it

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was like, well that's odd,
first of all, um. But but

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secondly, he had come out at
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said, look, the CIA was
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didn't say anything of substance along with
that, He just made that statement like

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kind of dropped it and left,
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some other statements out there that were, you know, about the vaccine and

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this and that, and he started
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lot of all media people in recent
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done the whole mild embrace of him, much like they did with RT.

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Now. I've been talking to you
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become legitimized, right, And I
kept saying for many years, like why

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are you guys embracing a government media
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look they got Lee Camp on there. They tell some truth. I'm like,

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yeah, when it's convenient to their
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that's the way things work. But
a lot of people are like, well,

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at least Fox News is willing to
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where they're not just with the official
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and Tucker has embraced the alternative.
A lot of people think he has,

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sure, and it's just been this
weird phenomena. And then I see

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this as as a new shople This
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being introduced, okay yea yeah um. And also it goes along with the

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well Alex Jones is just not filling
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Number two, Bill O'Reilly was cut
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He is, he's a podcast,
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listens to it. Yeah, he's
unsuccessfully out there floating around. I mean.

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The weirdest thing is that he now
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Cuomo, who is on like a
yeah, who was on like a Christian

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all network, Um, the yeah, yeah, yeah News Nation. You

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ever heard of it feels familiar.
I'm just sort of eagling Chris Cuomo as

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as we're talking about You gotta check
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over there on the Christian News Network, right. And Bill O'Reilly is like

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one of his regular people. Uh. Any, and he shows up and

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he gives you know, Bill O'Reilly
swag to his producers, and they got

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a whole chimney thing going wow,
like as a constant, and Bill O'Reilly

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is just not as marketable to young
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too. I mean, he's got
some money behind him, but other than

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that, I don't know if he's
successfully spreading. Right. Uh. Glenn

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Beck had the Blaze for a bit, and again this is one of those

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you know, the alt embraced Glenn
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dismissed from the MSM. Um.
I have all the pieces here, I

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just don't know how to articulate it
that what happens is you introduced somebody who

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was successful in the MSM into the
alt media, and what it's doing is

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clogging up all of the lanes that
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Um, and these guys come out
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I actually got myself fired. I
mean, look, O'Reilly was fired from

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misconduct so well. And and and
in a way, Tucker Carlson is kind

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of uh, I mean it was
misconduct in terms of you know, he's

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bad mouthing all these people at Fox. Um. Yeah, but notice how

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well timed that was. Look,
Fox is going to absorb this giant you

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know, uh uh dominion lawsuit,
right, yes, now they can absorb

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it. People are like, oh, they're never gonna pay that off.

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I'm like, yeah, you don't
realize the profit margin over there. I

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mean, it's gonna hurt him a
little, yeah, but I think it's

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gonna make a major impact on you
know, their programming or budgets for you

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know, some of these other people. I don't even know who's still there

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anymore, Breton fare Well. But
they're shifting around and preparing for the twenty

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twenty four run, right, Yeah. And they were positioning themselves as like

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maybe not being with Trump, but
what are you gonna do if he's the

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you know, Republican and choice well, and I wonder how much of that

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too was also a little bit of
the they're assuming it's going to be him

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and Tucker Carlson for all of his
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licking. I mean, he doesn't
really seem to be maybe as pro Trump

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as many of the Fox News viewers
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I think kind of maybe backfired as
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of the stuff you know connected to
the election, which still seems to be

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this um, I don't know what
what you know, it still plays I

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guess very heavily within Trump's uh you
know circle one. You know, the

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interesting thing is you got hold on
because you got stolen election. Okay,

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you have you know, a side
with Trump because he's fighting the deep state

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publicly. You've got he was given
the access and ability to play the January

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sixth videos, right, Well that's
right, yeah, I mean, look,

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combine all that stuff, think about
that collect actively. This is him

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getting street cred as a true alternative
voice because look, eventually they had to

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kick him out of there because he's
just not going along with the program.

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Right, So you can offer him
as what the controlled opposition see because I

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still stand with the idea that the
whole Trump thing is the steam valve.

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This is the way to divert legitimate
descent into well, go this way.

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Okay, you're sick of political correctness, You're sick of you know, the

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business as usual. You're sick of
the liberals taking stuff over, you know,

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the culture wars, Like I crack
up with certain things because you know,

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it's like the amplification of what is
a relatively a small thing sometimes,

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but they hamp it up with the
culture wars. I mean, right now,

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you've got the governor of Florida well
engaged with a battle with Disney.

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Yeah, you know, I mean, traveling around the world, meeting with

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foreign leaders, like he's already the
president. Sure, but does he have

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the personality to pull it off?
Is anybody gonna buy that this guy gets

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legitimate support? And again looking at
the polls, and then you got to

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introduce into it another weird part of
the equation, which is RFK JR now

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legitimately running right right, So this
is this is a different landscape. If

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he gets any kind of traction,
I mean, so far he steps in,

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he gets like seventeen percent according to
polls, right of what could be

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the potential democratic boat right away,
nobody's pleased with Biden. Okay, nobody,

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right, you have Trump coming back, no matter what everybody's like,

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Oh, we're waiting on all these
different things. They're going to prosecute him

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in New York and Georgia. Well, I don't see any of it going

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anyway air And in fact, as
soon as we get within a certain striking

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distance of the twenty twenty fourth selection
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a stop under the same excuse as
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with the political process. Right.
So I'm just saying I see a bunch

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of positioning where there's gonna be a
whole lot of options for all sorts of

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controlled opposition, and at the end
of the day, you're just gonna get,

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you know, something else off of
the menu of crap of just you

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know, an old man who is
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really representing the majority of the public, not representing the will of the people,

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not representing you know, reasonable sanity, and we'll get a whole lot

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of nothing done as usual, right, I mean correct? So all right,

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anyway, I'll shut up now,
but I'm just saying that the Tucker

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Carlson thing to me is just trying
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alternative voice, to offer him out
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speak, where he'll you know,
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own thing, or he'll show up, you know, on some other network

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temporarily and get booted from there too, right, um, and that'll be

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that you know, well, you
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find well, one is I think
the I don't know why that this is

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I was seeing each other day,
but like the you know, the bell

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weather will be does he appear on
Joe Rogan? Uh you know, because

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like I feel like, you know, if he does, then it's like,

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oh, who knows, you know, it's like this sort of the

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sky is the limit for for Tucker
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you know, in all seriousness,
I do see that is I'm sure

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Joe Rogan would love to get him
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a great platform to uh you know, he can he can come off as

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this really reasoned person who you know, oh, I'm not really left,

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I'm not really right, you know, and he can talk about Jeffrey Epstein,

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he can talk about you know,
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and he can seem like this really
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if he does that right. But
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of thinking about this the past couple
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leaving and this, oh he is
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know, trying to sort of speak
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know, he's been trying to push
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know, his bonafides and in terms
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interesting because then I saw this stuff
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know, he never believes that any
of the Epstein stuff. He is very

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open on podcast talking about that he
does you know, he thinks Epstein was

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murdered. Uh. He won't say
Deep State, but he you know,

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that's the implied uh uh you know, And plus a sort of uh,

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you know moniker that he's using for
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like shortly after he gets booted um
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for you know both uh, you
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Journal being Rupert Murdock. But they're
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news corps. Right. The Wall
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you know Epstein's private calendar. You
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and Noam Chomsky and a lot of
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of Bard College, um this,
uh, this lawyer of Vertic Goldman Sachs

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and was also an Obama appointee.
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just um and and then you know, and all these people I you know,

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it's a lot of people online pointing
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it's all these Obama officials and Ahood
Barack. You know. So there's a

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you know, a Jewish quote unquote
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know, it's so funny that the
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that struck me about that very early
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I I'll try to find it,
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where they talk about Epstein's death,
and the two writers who wrote this they

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seem to be implying that without without
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murdered in prison, which I did
think was interesting, you know, even

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you know, this is a legitimate
mainstream newspaper, that is kind of you

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know, they're not they're not saying
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the exact language, but I read
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you know, killed in Prism.
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interesting, and I do think it's
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sort of excited about it, and
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was shocking the amount of times he
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CIA director, And to be like, oh, I had no idea

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what this guy was up to,
and this person is supposed to be in

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charge of, you know, all
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laughable at best. But the whole
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what you're talking about, completely controlled
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know, they're they're pointing to all
these Obama officials. Now granted this was

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you know, a lot of these
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so it makes sense that, you
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shaker, he would be going to
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in power. But I don't believe
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acquired and to my knowledge, I
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they got this. If this was
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don't know that this is you know, it wasn't um. I don't know

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if this was like in a like
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being clear there. And all of
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the articles covering this all point to
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Street Journal. You know, they're
they're not they're not linking or they're not

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saying something else. So I don't
know how the Wall Street Journal got this,

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but to believe that that in I
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I don't know scores of emails they're
only Democrat uh politicians that Epstein is

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talking to is just laughable rum and
the funny thing, you know, and

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this is all coming again like this
is I believe Rupert Murdock is in the

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Little Black Book. You know,
Epstein's book. I mean, you know,

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they knew each other, and this
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which also controls Fox, and you
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I mean, it is sort of
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Nom Chomsky, who people are making
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he is obviously very you know,
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I don't know really anyone on the
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know, outside of other kind of
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it's like Noam Chomsky, bunch of
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Hood Baraque. So again you've got
that that tickles the funny bone for every

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you know that every person out there
conspiracy theorists and sees some sort of Jewish

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element behind everything. And it just
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timing of that I found very interesting. They're kicking Tucker Carlson out. They're

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coming out with this big expose detailing
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of course is leaving out the fact
that you know, obviously he was close

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with Rupert Murdoch, right, um, you know, I mean he's closely

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and also at the same time as
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noticed this and this, and I
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as somebody who's kind of out of
the loop with a lot of news

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stuff, and certainly with a lot
of the Epstein stuff, I've barely been

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kind of keeping abreast of stuff.
But um, you know, you've got,

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on the one hand, the Wall
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On the other hand, Steve Bannon, who's his own legal troubles but is

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still kind of touted as this,
you know, he's fighting the good fight

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against you know, the liberals and
uh, you know, the New World

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Order and all that stuff. He
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He was interviewing, he was going
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there are tapes online. There's like
a trailer for this movie before Epstein was

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arrested, obviously, but you know, it's I don't know that somehow seems

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to to kind of has just completely
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people that are going to you know, so I don't know, I mean,

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maybe they're not totally related. But
the Wall Street Journal piece felt very

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deliberate. It felt like a very
sanitized version of whatever these emails are,

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right, And I don't know.
I found it also interesting too that you've

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got Chucker Carlson talking about Jeffrey Epstein
suddenly, and I mean to me again,

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it just felt like, you know, he's trying to be like,

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oh, you know the media is
covering this up, right, but is

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he now here's the fun part.
Notice the similarity though, because like Tucker

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Carlson coming out with the whole of
the CIA had something to do with JFK's

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murder. They drop a statement out
there, they don't tell you where they're

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getting the information from, they don't
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They just put it out there.
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by as you said, now other
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out through here, and that's it. There's no like, where did this

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come from? Exactly where it was? The evidence Garner, you know,

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none of that comes through is dropped
as a statement, and now it is

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a tell for anybody who wanted that
piece of the puzzle right, and if

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you wanted all the liberal side of
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Now you're satisfied. Forget about the
fact that, oh, you know,

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Trump went but you know he just
went there with his family for a

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vacation, you know, and some
of that wasn't even real. All right,

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fine, you know, forget about
all those people. Forget about all

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the you know, not necessarily even
political people at all, but just the

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media people that were tied with them. Like it stands the reason after a

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minute, like, what in the
hell is the good and proper purpose for

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all of these people to be interlocked
with this guy? Right, Like,

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what what purpose does it serve?
Like the CIA director? Yeah, what

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is he doing? What is he
doing? I mean, what is what

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is Noam Chomsky, Jeffrey Epstein,
and Woody Allen all doing together? See

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you look, we can make jokes
about all right, Woody Allen. I

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mean, let's leave Woody Allen out
for a second, but let's go back

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to nome. What is Noam Chomsky
doing? Would Jeffrey EPs I haven't the

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foggiest idea, I mean, supposedly
talking about geopolitics or something. Well,

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you know, I mean it's and
you know, I will say that the

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thing with the the Chomsky one,
so This is the thing when you look

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at like, uh, William Burns, you look at um, you know

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these Goldman Sacks people. Um,
I forgot the other the other person that

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they mentioned in this is and it's
just like again it's it's too good to

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be true. Arion D Rothschild so
not in actually you know she's married into

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the Rothschild family. But again,
I mean it's you've got Rothschild banking Jews,

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you know, I mean, it
really is just it. When I

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was reading it, I was just
like, oh my god, this is

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just crack for a certain type of
conspiracy theorists. All you need very well,

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yeah, all you need is Barack
Obama himself, okay exactly, and

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like you know, Hillary and uh
and and two well known lesbians to be

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on the plane at the same time. Uh. And that's it. You're

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you're you're set. You've hit the
trifecta, you know, superfecta of all

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of you. But you know,
those the the the William Burns, the

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Golden people. That almost to me
kind of makes sense, Like I mean,

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if you believe that Jeffrey Epstein,
you know, had to have been

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some kind of asset that was or
someone that certainly was utilized by intelligence service,

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utilized by somebody. You know,
it makes sense that Burns is talking

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to him these like Goldman's. I
mean, what's this Jeff Statlee Stately,

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who's this former JP Morgan executive he
worked at Barclays who you know? And

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now he's embroiled in probably one of
the more sort of I don't know if

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a big is the right word,
but it's certainly a much larger sort of

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legal battle right now. He's being
sued by multiple people in connection to his

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very close relationship with Jevery Epstein.
And there apparently a lot of emails between

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the two of them talking about young
women, talking about you know, they

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would call them by these different Disney
princess names. I mean, you know

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that. I also, I mean
seems like there is a just a straight

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sort of sexual angle to it.
But also finance. You know that he

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was Epstein for whatever, or that
he was a billionaire, He wasn't a

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billionaire. He certainly was involved in
finance. He was involved in moving money,

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and he knew that world. So
all of these business people makes sense.

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Noam Chomsky really just sounds like Noam
Chomsky wanted to did a little girls,

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and you know, knew that his
entree into that was Epstein. I

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really don't know what the hell else
they would actually have to, you know,

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interesting to discuss. And Noam Chomsky
is sort of like, um,

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his response to these Wall Street Journal
inquiries is just I mean, it's ridiculous.

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He's sort of like, well,
it's none of your business who I

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hang out with. And uh,
you know what, what's wrong with hanging

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out with him? And one of
the greatest film directors of all time?

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Yeah, well there there you go
and that. And that's the other strange

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thing is, um, you know
how many of the Hollywood be I don't

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know, this seems to be lacking
heavily in the Hollywood people this time.

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Yeah, yeah, I know,
I mean right exactly. I mean,

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it's it's like raw Woody Allen.
That's about it. It's just I don't

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know the whole thing again. It's
just like you've got so these people again,

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we're we're meant to believe or we're
you know, the the the sort

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of implied you know these with all
of this is and it's true, these

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people knew or they should have known, that that he had served time for

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solicitation of underage prostitutions. Ridiculous.
Um, you know, uh, crime

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that he copped to. And again
Noam Chomsky, things like, well,

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you know he did his time,
so what like again like oh, well,

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you know I believe in prison reform
and and and you know, rehabilitation.

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that I mean, what was that? You know? I mean I'm repeating

408
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.799
myself to probably you know, all
the listeners, but you know, private

409
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:41.319
cell and the prison he was he
was going in and out of the prison.

410
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.160
You know, all day he's he's
going around, he's uh, the

411
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.799
his the the you know, the
prison guards are supposed to be watching him,

412
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:51.079
aren't paying attention. I mean this
it's not like this guy was like

413
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:55.200
you know, in Rikers doing time. Yeah know. And the weirdest thing

414
00:30:55.359 --> 00:31:00.759
still it never addressed, is how
a guy ends up in Trump's cabinet who

415
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.000
you know, Yeah, and I
and and by the way, I'm not

416
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.400
trying to harp on the right wing, because here's the thing. It is

417
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:11.079
very possible that it is much heavier
on the uh you know, the the

418
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:14.680
liberal or democratic side of the equation, that we have a much heavier traffic

419
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:19.880
here. Uh I am not even
gonna challenge that that that's very possible,

420
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:25.880
but the fact that they're not there
at all, you know, there's nobody

421
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.119
on that other side. Yeah,
so they're all these people, you know,

422
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:34.839
they they they should have known or
they did know, right, but

423
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:40.480
at least in the Wall Street Journal
stuff, and even with uh this this

424
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:45.599
former banking executive, just Stantley,
they all add a certain point, you

425
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.440
know, even if it was like
late in the game, they all did

426
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.359
eventually kind of cut off contact.
Yeah, you know, and and I

427
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.880
think I don't know, I would
have to really kind of go back and

428
00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:00.559
look at these the dates that they're
stating a lot of those I would assume

429
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:06.039
coincide with different kind of stories coming
out about him, whether it be twenty

430
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.279
sixteen, twenty eighteen, even or
you know, twenty ten when I I

431
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:14.279
started kind of becoming obsessed with it. Well you go back, yeah,

432
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:15.680
you look, you look at the
controversies that came out, You look at

433
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:21.720
the different times when they were and
there have been various waves right of documentaries

434
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:28.279
of you know, news programs that
investigated side different air stuff podcasts. So

435
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.960
the thing is different levels of awareness
could have come about and somebody could have

436
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.160
finally said, oh, you know
what, maybe it's just better I stopped

437
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:40.039
returning this guy's calls, um,
you know. But but uh, Steve

438
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:45.839
Bannon, he definitely knew. We
see, and he's going over to his

439
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:50.119
house, like you know, months
before he's arrested, right, and and

440
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:58.160
say with Michael Wolfe as well,
the the sort of tabloid uh you know,

441
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.240
not being mean, but right,
it wasn't it was Michael wolf Write

442
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:05.200
the writer. Yeah, yeah,
same thing like that. They're all hanging

443
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.759
out together, going over to his
house. Steve Bannon's making an Epstein film

444
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:13.119
with him. I mean he had
you know, I don't know what I

445
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.640
guess. It's just like I don't
know what to make of that. Obviously

446
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.880
Steve Bannon knew what was going on, and in fact, I mean he

447
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:24.559
sort of famously alluded to that,
um, you know, hitting out against

448
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:30.559
Ivanka Trump, um, you know, in relation to to her father's relationship

449
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:36.400
with Jeffrey Epstein. He's publicly stated
that. So yeah, again, I

450
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:38.200
don't know if we're probably just sort
of beating a dead horse here, but

451
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:46.359
yeah, it did feel the whole
it was weird, but sorry, it

452
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:50.680
just felt very odd the way that
this story kind of just came out of

453
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.880
nowhere seemingly right. Um. And
and exactly who it was targeting, um,

454
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:59.480
same thing, you know, president
of Barred College. Obviously that's not

455
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:04.720
gonna play well, you know for
uh, you know Midwestern Republican you know,

456
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.239
conservatives, and and I'm started painting
a broad brush. But you know

457
00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:14.280
it's a very you know, she
she rich um East Coast School. No,

458
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:16.400
of course, you know when you
see something like this that's not coming

459
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:21.039
out of the dog pile though,
right where. Look, you know,

460
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:24.079
when the momentum is against somebody,
Okay, like when when Gilaine was on

461
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.760
trial, you knew that a lot
of this kind of stuff. You know,

462
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.559
if it drops, you expect it. Right. They're they're definitely gonna

463
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:35.000
try and get clicks. They're gonna
try and get you know, I don't

464
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:38.320
think anybody sells papers anymore, but
you're gonna get clicks. You're gonna get

465
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.440
you know, your little online subscriptions. This is what's gonna happen, right

466
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.480
Um. And hey, if you
carry the stuff, you're gonna get traffic

467
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:50.559
because people are interested at the time. Right there, there's a new Filthy

468
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.719
Rich on Netflix. Whatever. Yeah, okay, but this is weird timing

469
00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:00.440
because unless they're trying to be the
opening st Albo and something and get ahead

470
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:05.880
of something else that's about to drop, what is the point. I don't

471
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.280
think there's a trial going on.
Uh, you know, almost dead silence

472
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:15.159
on whatever's gone on with the estate, right. Have we heard anything from

473
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:19.400
that lately? Have we heard anything
from the victims lately? As far as

474
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.320
are they still going after things?
I'm sure there's still things, you know,

475
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:27.719
in the works in the courts,
But is there any newscover John it

476
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.599
lately? I haven't seen it.
No, No, I don't think there

477
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:35.599
is. I mean outside of uh, you know, Tom Green made some

478
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:39.639
comments on TikTok or Twitter, Instagram
or something, you know about the Oh

479
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:44.320
there this big bombshell they're gonna they're
gonna they're gonna name all the names with

480
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:49.239
epstein um. And that's why you
know they're there. They were releasing stuff,

481
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.119
remember with the UFOs, the weather
balloons, and they were all meant,

482
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:55.599
you know, yes that was it
and I don't know, sorry Tom,

483
00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:00.079
but that never really none of that
really happened. I mean there's the

484
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:07.280
names a few you know, um, which is not that interesting, you

485
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.440
know, and I don't think it's
really going to come to too much.

486
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.719
I mean, there was some news
story a couple of months ago something about

487
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.480
you know, Gillaine was again there
were complaints on her behalf about how she

488
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:22.599
was being treated in custody, right, And there was some kind of suggestion

489
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:29.000
in some of the French publications that
there may be a time where she drops

490
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:35.639
some information out there that she's previously
withheld in order to get herself a better

491
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:39.320
you know, better facilities to be
in or something, uh, you know,

492
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:43.800
to try and make a deal.
I saw something like that, and

493
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.079
I think that was at about the
beginning of the year, right, and

494
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:52.000
dead silence ever since we didn't see
anything. I mean, is this potentially

495
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.360
part of that? Is that why
nobody's stressing you know, the source for

496
00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:00.239
this? It could be I you
know, I mean, I but this

497
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:06.320
is supposedly emails and and and stuff. Also you're telling me in all of

498
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:10.119
these well, but to know,
to go back to that, I I

499
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:15.639
think that I'm sure Maxwell has knows
all sorts of stuff. I mean,

500
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:16.960
I'm not suggesting I know a damn
thing here. I want to make that

501
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:22.119
clear. I'm sure Maxwell knows all
sorts of things, but the fact that

502
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:27.679
she hasn't talked is telling and that's
weird, you know, right. But

503
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.519
I mean, one, if we
want to, like really, you know,

504
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:36.679
start exploring it out. There is
a you know, Donald Trump's bizarre

505
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.760
comments while still president about wishing her
well and I just wish her well.

506
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.480
Uh, you know, he kept
repeating that in some news conference. I

507
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:49.440
mean, that was one of the
strangest things again which gets no traction,

508
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.880
but you know, he's fighting the
deep state. That again, I mean,

509
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:57.000
had to have been a message that
it's like, listen, if you

510
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.920
don't say anything, you know,
it's gonna be better for you. And

511
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:07.280
this is my way of letting you
know that everything is cool. Just don't

512
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:08.800
say anything, you see. I
pointed that out at the time, and

513
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:14.000
of course, you know, people
went to the very easy explanation of that,

514
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:15.400
where it's like, look, the
only reason why anybody's pointing at that

515
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:19.920
is because they hate Trump. And
look, I grant you, I am

516
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.800
not a fan of the guy,
Okay, but the thing is, it's

517
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.519
just so weird that he would make
that kind of comment where it's like,

518
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:32.400
obviously that implies that he gives a
crap first of all, because you know,

519
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:36.239
if you don't know it, Yeah, if you don't know her,

520
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.880
you don't care. It's not part
of anything that you're concerned with. Then

521
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:42.880
you know what, I got nothing
to say about that, you know what

522
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:46.239
I mean? And especially him,
he's very much I mean, if anybody's

523
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:50.079
going to argue with me, whether
they're a fan of his or not,

524
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:53.480
that he's egocentric, that he's going
to you know, the the entire universe

525
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:59.039
revolves around what is good and bad
for Donald Trump, right when it comes

526
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.719
to his public pronounce whether he's president
or he's doing what he's doing now and

527
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.360
going through you know, everybody's making
it was making a big deal for about

528
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.880
a week. Oh you know,
Egene Carroll is gonna make this big statement,

529
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:14.280
gonna get him on this rape trial, and and he doesn't even show

530
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:17.679
up for that, right yeah.
I mean, dude, it's a weird

531
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:21.280
thing for him to go. Well, all I have to say. I

532
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:27.440
mean he literally intentionally was like I
just want you know, I want everybody

533
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:31.400
to know I wish you're well,
like weird. Well again, I think

534
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:35.960
that that was the way of saying, uh, well, one is like,

535
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:38.920
don't say anything like, you're better
off just keeping your mouth shut,

536
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:43.559
stick to the trial. Don't try
to play like some sort of you know,

537
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.400
pardon the turn of phrase, but
don't play a Trump card and be

538
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:50.639
like, well, here's the you
know, this is where the Bill Clinton

539
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:52.599
tape is. You know, don't
say anything, because again, I mean,

540
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.360
what, yeah, why why doesn't
she She could spill the beans about

541
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:59.760
any number of people. I mean, and you know, if we're both

542
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:01.840
I think, being honest about it, you're you're probably right, Chuck.

543
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:07.320
She could really spell a lot more
beans about Democrats or so called you know,

544
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.440
liberals. And I mean because it
does seem for us, and I

545
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:15.880
think that that Epstein kind of was
an equal opportunity. Um oh yeah,

546
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:22.639
but you know, those relationships do
seem to be a little bit more solid.

547
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.000
The stuff I mean with the Clinton
Foundation, that's not that's not made

548
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:32.000
up like that is that does seem
to be uh, his connections to certainly

549
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:38.840
that uh sort of um uh,
you know, wing of of politics.

550
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:43.239
It does seem a little bit more
solid. But she didn't say anything.

551
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:47.360
I think she might have also realized, I mean, who knows was Epstein

552
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:51.519
talking to his lawyers. I'm gonna
name names. I'm gonna do this.

553
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:54.639
I mean, who knows well even
stranger than that. Let's let's step back

554
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:59.679
again one more time, and then
I'm gonna let you just run the last

555
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.800
ten minutes here because we're only going
to go straight up to as I speak

556
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.800
live, which, by the way, there's a problem with the streamers,

557
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.760
so I don't know if we're broadcasting
or not, but it doesn't matter.

558
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:14.480
We're being recorded as we speak live, though. I got about ten more

559
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.000
minutes to talk to you, so
I'm gonna let you roll with this after

560
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:21.880
this. But it's something else to
consider. You know, people often complain

561
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:23.639
about the liberal media and now they're
run by you know, and all of

562
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:30.199
that, and Fox is like an
opposition. Okay, let's let's face some

563
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.960
facts here, all right, and
try to take the politics out of the

564
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:37.960
equation for a second. If you
wanted to do a general takedown of the

565
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:43.719
media, okay, just in general, the amount of powerful and influential people.

566
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:49.119
From my understanding, and maybe I'm
misreading things, but across the board,

567
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:54.719
you got a serious takedown of the
establishment media that could be had here

568
00:41:54.800 --> 00:42:00.079
because I saw names, you know, everywhere from Katie Kurik to Oprah in

569
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:07.199
prey right, Stephanopolis, I mean
all across the board, mostly liberal media,

570
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:14.440
but let's just go with establishment media. You could take down so many

571
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:20.360
people if the real dirt came out, if any of those implications are remotely

572
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:24.800
true. Right, plus the Clintons, plus the whole left wing right,

573
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:32.000
I mean, this is Taylor made
to be weaponized by somebody who wants to

574
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.039
do exactly what that Wall Street Journal
article does, except on a massive scale

575
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:42.559
with real evidence. Right. No, not only do we have you know,

576
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:46.480
emails and this and that, but
guess what Galaine knows where you know,

577
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:49.800
the tapes of the bodies are buried? Okay, out the bodies,

578
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:58.800
all right? And how that has
not been somehow grabbed, How that's not

579
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:06.599
been again webanized by somebody who wants
to score those points. It's baffling to

580
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.400
me. How is it that Galene
has not made a deal somehow to get

581
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:15.960
her sentence or duced, get better
living situation, get something out of it.

582
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:20.199
How is it that some other associate
has not been even maybe you know,

583
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:23.719
where's the other associates being brought to
trial? I mean it's not just

584
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:30.119
they're not bondying Clyde here. Okay, there's got to be a lot of

585
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:35.559
other people involved. How come all
of it's not dropping what? They're all

586
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:37.760
dead? You know, you know
what I'm saying, Like, there is

587
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:43.480
a serious open question about if you
wanted to take down the media in general,

588
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.719
liberal or otherwise, but liberal definitely
either way. If you just wanted

589
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:52.840
to generally kick the two of the
legs out from the four table, you

590
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:58.360
know, four legged table of the
media, you could do it with the

591
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:04.000
f Stein evidence, couldn't you.
So why is that not happening in your

592
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:13.440
mind? I think because the the
the whole Epstein saga from the very beginning

593
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:23.480
has always really just been about uh, politics and politicizing the Epstein's relationship with

594
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:30.280
you know, with other people for
political ends and for whatever reason. From

595
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:34.719
the beginning again, you can go
all the way back to Radar Online,

596
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.280
you know, and a few other
sort of a sudden, you know,

597
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.199
kind of gossipy news sites that were
reporting on him when no one else was.

598
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:45.440
And it was always his connection to
Bill Clinton right now, you know,

599
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:50.639
the Donald Trump stuff was you you
kind of did need to like really

600
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:54.159
search for that um in the early
days, you know, uh, it

601
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:58.440
was. It was certainly there and
and you know a lot of people were

602
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.039
talking about it, but it was
it was not it's like readily available.

603
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:02.639
It was not you know, something
that you know, you had to kind

604
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:07.400
of look for it. And then
even even that was like there were these

605
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.719
pictures that you know, you could
find and like you know, Getty and

606
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:16.719
other um photography sites like that,
but there weren't the these sort of you

607
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:22.079
know, more salicious stories like this
one and that that golf magazine that no

608
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:27.360
longer exists where you know, Trump
is holding his plane up for for Epstein

609
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:32.000
and Maxwell and some like that piece
of video where the two of them were

610
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:35.800
making you know, yeah exactly,
it's like right, like but that took

611
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.119
years right to come out. You
know, from the beginning, it was

612
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:42.800
always well, it's you know,
Bill Clinton is a perv and of course

613
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:47.159
he's he's he's closed with Epstein and
and unfortunately I think that the that which,

614
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:52.559
by the way, good why and
I think that that that probably you

615
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:53.599
know, at the end of the
day, well you know what it was,

616
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:58.920
it was just sort of it's it's
the you know, the thing about

617
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:05.599
that is, yeah, I think
that relationship is super it's real and there's

618
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:07.159
a lot to it. And if
you look at some of this stuff,

619
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.559
you know where Epstein's claiming to be
part of the Clinton Foundation and you know

620
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:17.119
those sort of things. Yeah,
that's big. But the the what I

621
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:22.679
always find interesting is the Trump stuff
seems to predate that. And the falling

622
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:28.639
out between the two of them is
really interesting in that it's never really been

623
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.920
explored. But at the same time, you know, they've had this falling

624
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:36.840
out, but neither one of them
is really kind of you know, I

625
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:43.079
publicly said anything bad, and then
you've got Donald Trump running around wishing Gillian

626
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.639
Maxwell well and kind of skirting the
fact that he ever had this relationship.

627
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:51.159
At what point? At what point
was he saying stuff like though, well,

628
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:52.119
you know, yeah, I know
that guy, he kind of likes

629
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:57.119
some young When when was that?
Well, so that was like that was

630
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:01.039
like at the height of of of
Epstein. That that's like the the Verity

631
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:04.719
Fair article, the Vicky Wards stuff, right, okay, you know,

632
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.079
and that that's like at the height
of that And again yeah, exactly,

633
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:08.960
Oh yeah, he's he's a great
guy. I love him. He just

634
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:17.199
young. It's like way too like
really underwhelmingly yeah exactly. I mean you

635
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:21.880
can tell to like how dated you
know. I mean, nobody would talk

636
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:23.159
like that now, you know,
right, like you would just be you

637
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:29.679
would not have a career in you
know, business or now. Yeah,

638
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:31.920
Epstein was okay, but he just
he sort of liked him a little young.

639
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.599
If you said that now as a
reaction to didn't you know that guy?

640
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:40.119
And people would be like, yeah, you're done, I mean with

641
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:43.880
your career, right, okay,
go ahead. I'm sorry no, but

642
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:50.400
I think it's that's the thing it's
always been about, uh, turning Epstein,

643
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:55.400
turning one's relationship with Epstein into a
political weapon to use against other people.

644
00:47:55.719 --> 00:48:02.960
And I'm not sure what the the
the the machinations behind this Wall Street

645
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:08.679
journal piece, but it does seem, you know, very pointed. I

646
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:14.719
mean, William Burns is actively this
the CIA director, right. I just

647
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:20.039
pulled up uh, you know,
Fox News, but a Fox News reporting

648
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:22.760
on the fact that you know,
the White House isn't going to comment on

649
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:28.400
William burns relationship with Epstein. Um, which is just sort of like,

650
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.360
come on, guys, like it. It's it's there. I mean,

651
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:35.960
this is in This is not Radar
Online. This is the Wall Street Journal.

652
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:37.960
This is one of the biggest newspapers
in the world reporting on this.

653
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:42.239
You've got to say something. But
but either way that you know, it's

654
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.039
interesting that that's coming now again too, when you just mentioning, you know,

655
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:52.079
you've got this senior citizen running for
president again, no disrespect to seniors

656
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:59.119
out there, but you know,
this is very unpopular, very old economy

657
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:02.519
is in the toilet. Yeah,
there's there's a million things you can blame

658
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:07.119
on Biden, um which are you
know, many of them are super legitimate,

659
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:09.119
some of them are just you know, you're always gonna blame who's ever

660
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:13.159
in power, but you know it
doesn't look good for him. And now

661
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.440
to have this as well, I
mean that that again it feels sort of

662
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:22.719
deliberate. I think the more the
part of it is more interesting is who

663
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:28.519
really cares um that William Burns?
I mean, how many people When I

664
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.239
first saw the name William Burns,
I had to think. I was like,

665
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.639
well, how do I know that
name? Oh right, Cia,

666
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.320
you know it wasn't it wasn't you
know, So I don't know how clue

667
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:43.599
in people are too, uh,
you know, people like that. And

668
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.960
also I don't know if that many
people really care. I mean, I

669
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:52.400
think that's interesting. Is that the
the the you know, one of the

670
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.639
reasons I stopped uh um recording and
stuff was, you know, the the

671
00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.639
Epstein stuff that becomes so big and
it was such a if you were making

672
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:05.079
all this money off Epstein. Now
I feel like it's kind of like old

673
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.119
haf you know, it's kind of
boring and who really cares whatever, he's

674
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:12.880
dead, Well, it is in
prison. But again, let's let's recognize

675
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.679
just with a couple of minutes here
and a couple of sentences from a Wall

676
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:20.440
Street Journal article published on the twenty
first. Okay, which opens this is

677
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.039
the opening paragraph, just really quickly
for the listener, in case you haven't

678
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:29.360
read it yourself. JP Morgan Chasing
Company had ties to Jeffrey Epstein that ran

679
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:35.960
deeper than the bank has acknowledged.
Okay, and extended years beyond when it

680
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:40.639
decided to close the convicted sex offenders
accounts, according to people familiar with the

681
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:46.239
matter. Now pause, according to
people familiar with the matter, Okay,

682
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:52.079
this becomes murky. It's this is
a very general open statement, and it

683
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:57.199
implies again we're having you know,
banking troubles too. Pierce. Don't forget

684
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.039
that, you know, in the
midst of all this other stuff going on.

685
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:02.400
Um, but let's go back to
it. Uh. Let's see.

686
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:09.960
Mary erotis a top lieutenant to the
chief executive Jimmy demon d I M O

687
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:15.000
N. I always forget how topnounce
these things. Okay. Made two trips

688
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:20.880
to Epstein's townhouse on Manhattan's Upper East
Side in twenty eleven and twenty thirteen,

689
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:24.639
when Epstein still was a client of
the bank, said the people familiar with

690
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:31.239
the matter, She exchanged dozens of
emails with him and discussed sharing with him

691
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:37.440
fees related to a charitable fund that
the bank was considering launching. The people

692
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:43.519
said, so this is, you
know, twenty twenty thirteen, they're talking

693
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:49.320
about a new venture with the guy
and it's a charitable organization. Now,

694
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.000
you know, he gets into it
further later on, But I'm just saying

695
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:57.360
this is still he's got the money. Even though they closed his accounts,

696
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.320
right and they're supposed to be not
really doing business with him, they still

697
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:06.760
are. Is that the bombshell that
they're making it out to be Pierce?

698
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:13.599
Or is this just some added hype
and is there a specific reason why JP

699
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:16.800
Morgan has hovered over here. What
do you think? I think I think

700
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:21.639
that the JP Morgan stuff and and
if people are interested, they should look

701
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.440
at this guy's Statley who worked at
JP Morgan and then at Barclays, and

702
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:30.119
he is involved in some a lot
of allegations. I think that that is

703
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:36.119
actually one of the bigger bombshells is
the the closeness um that JP Morgan had

704
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:40.760
for this guy who again his who
knows how much money he really had,

705
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.559
you know? And and who was
this guy that JP Morgan, You know

706
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:50.559
that Jamie Diamond and again Statlee was
like head of JP Morgan, you know

707
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:53.239
in the US. These guys are
meeting. They're going over to his house,

708
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:57.679
you know, They're not is not
going into the to the you know

709
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.800
it to JP Morgan's you know,
uh conference room. They're going over to

710
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:06.159
him. I think that that is
that is really interesting, and I think

711
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:10.159
that you know, there's there's more
to it than um uh you know,

712
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:14.079
he was just a client. They're
trying to come up with some sort of

713
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:17.000
charitable organization. What I will say
on that is because the banking stuff is

714
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:23.360
interesting, is remember that uh,
you know, all these other uh massive

715
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:27.960
crime figure people that are way worse, you know than Epstein. And I

716
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:30.039
know that that sounds crazy, you
know, Epstein is like the worst according

717
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:35.519
to many people on the internet.
But you're talking about like drug lords,

718
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.960
war criminals. They all bank with
JP Morgan, right, you know,

719
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:45.440
uh and and you know they're they're
moving truly billions of dollars in you know,

720
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:50.280
cocaine money and stuff like that in
and out of these banks. That's

721
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:53.599
how these banks really operate, um
and that's why they're they're so big and

722
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:58.760
they're so powerful, is because that
this is where people go to hide their

723
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:02.480
money, to launder their money.
So that I think is the that's like

724
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:07.639
the real threat is what was it? What was Epstein doing for JP Morgan?

725
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:09.039
Right? You know, I don't
think it's the other way around.

726
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:12.800
People like to make this out that
you know, oh, Jamie Diamond,

727
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.960
these other people, they were almost
like, you know, beholden to him.

728
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:19.000
You know, I think it's more
what were they getting out of this

729
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.920
relationship? That to me is the
interesting thing. The stuff was was Statlee

730
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:28.199
was fascinating about that is that he
seems to have actually been an active participant

731
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:32.039
in abuse with Epstein, right,
so, you know, but yeah,

732
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:37.920
I think that the JP Morgan stuff
is really interesting. Also that I mean

733
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:42.480
they keep they keep kind of um, you know, changing their Oh well,

734
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:45.119
oh yes, I guess it.
The relationship technically did go on a

735
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:47.199
little bit longer. I would not
be surprised if the other bombshell is that.

736
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:51.800
Well, actually we didn't really cut
off our our relationship with him when

737
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:55.840
we said we did. Yeah,
And will there be any more bombshells?

738
00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:00.960
I mean, are we literally still
you know, I were bullying the dead

739
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:04.800
horse. I don't know, I
might just call this podcast, uh,

740
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:07.679
you know, like here we go? Is this gonna Is anything gonna come

741
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:10.880
with this? I mean, eventually, how how long are they gonna keep

742
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.000
telling us that there's gonna be a
you know, the big drop, right,

743
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:16.840
the big dirt is gonna come up. It's got to come up.

744
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:21.960
This is why Galayde is still alive. This is why whatever. Um,

745
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:24.079
I don't know, man, I
no longer know what to make of this

746
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:29.320
at wall. To be honest with
you, I don't know what it means.

747
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:32.159
I don't know what use it has. I'm waiting to see somebody pick

748
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:36.840
up the weapon. I can certainly
see it could be weaponized, but I

749
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:39.480
don't see anybody going to grab it. Nobody's grabbing this pistol for the duel,

750
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:43.760
you know, No, it's it's
it's only for these like little tiny

751
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:45.880
skirmishes. The Walshreet Journal is gonna
publish some stuff about this, and and

752
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:50.480
in in a few days it will
be forgotten. No one is going to

753
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:53.239
care. And then to an extent, I don't even really care anymore.

754
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:59.280
You know, there's like so minor
in terms of like the real kind of

755
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:04.159
like cry that this cabal of individuals
is committing. Again, you're talking about

756
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:08.320
JP Morgan. This is a bank
that launders money for drug traffickers. Um,

757
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:13.679
you know people way you're talking about
like sexual trafficking, people that are

758
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:17.639
like actual you know, like worldwide
sex traffickers making you know, billions of

759
00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:22.960
dollars on a daily basis. Yeah, exactly, like FC and two small

760
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:27.000
potatoes compared to you know, some
of these other people, right, Um,

761
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:30.639
you know, so yeah, yeah, to a to a To a

762
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:34.639
large extent, I mean, who
who cares. It's it's not that interesting.

763
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:38.360
And again it's mostly these sort of
there's nothing all that crazy. The

764
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:43.679
crazy stuff is I think a little
bit is his statly character because he does

765
00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:47.280
seem to have actually been like participating
in abuse. So that is interesting.

766
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:51.800
And you know that you've got this
banking official running around with him. But

767
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:57.440
no, I mean William Burns and
I don't know what him and Chomsky we're

768
00:56:57.440 --> 00:56:59.760
talking about, but I don't think
we're really going to learn much about that.

769
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:01.440
And I don't think that you know, again, I don't think it's

770
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:07.400
going to take down anyone. This
is just it does seem like it's something

771
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:12.360
that has trotted out to kind of
reassure people of a certain political bent.

772
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:16.519
Oh yeah, this guy is bad
and the people he associates with are bad,

773
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:21.280
and you know we got to vote
against them no matter what. Right

774
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:23.880
well, and that could be just
the whole point of it, the broad

775
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:29.360
brush and the stroke of it.
So with that, Pierce Redmond, lately

776
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:31.159
you haven't been all that active.
You got anything to point anybody too?

777
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:37.039
As we go on out the door
here or no, just stay tuned then

778
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:39.039
coming into your future tune hopefully it'll
be more. I mean, yeah,

779
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:43.159
you can go to Parkins Policy review
dot com. There's there's there's tons of

780
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.440
stuff there. It's all a little
old, but yeah, there's a lot

781
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:50.079
of stuff there. You can check
out my YouTube channel as well. It's

782
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:52.440
all linked there. But yeah,
that's where I would go. But there's

783
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:53.960
not there's not, but this will
be there. Well, now that I

784
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:57.920
know that that that I have the
option again, I'm calling on you.

785
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:00.559
You know, I just might do
that. And I got a few culture

786
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:06.039
things to go over with you,
a few pop culture things if you Yeah,

787
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.039
we have just watching the Picard too, so we could. Oh yeah,

788
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:12.480
I've been catching up on it,
so we could. We could definitely

789
00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:15.159
do some star treks, so you
know, you know that it's over right,

790
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:19.480
I do. I'm still like on
the second season, I'm like super

791
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:22.679
behind. Okay, cool, But
also Discovery has been announced that they are

792
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:25.800
going to bring that to a conclusion
as well. Oh wow, I didn't

793
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:30.079
know that. Yeah, um,
so yeah, you and I could get

794
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:34.760
into some star trek because man oh
man, a boy, did I enjoy

795
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:39.440
some of the really ridiculous on the
nose fan service in Picard. But I'm

796
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:44.000
loving Picard. I know people didn't
like it, but I actually really enjoy

797
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:45.719
it. Well, I'll tell you
this, if you're enjoying second season,

798
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:50.280
the third season, in my opinion. The second season was staggering, and

799
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:55.320
the third season the ship was righted. It is really into I mean,

800
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:59.559
you know, a lot of it
again, fan service, very obvious.

801
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:04.639
You know, they're sort of coddling
the TMG fan quite a bit. I'm

802
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:07.840
okay with that. But it's okay, and I'll tell you something else.

803
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:10.880
It's just it's, um, it's
very interesting, a lot of it,

804
00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:15.039
and I can't wait to see what
it is you think of it. Uh,

805
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:19.519
not just on a typical level either, you know, a standard pedestrian

806
00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:22.679
level, but uh, and you
and I haven't discussed South Park in a

807
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:30.039
while either, what's to discuss?
Oh yeah, I just feel like they

808
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:34.480
don't even care. You know what
that that that is a good way to

809
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:38.119
uh spoil the entire podcast. I
could do with you right there about it.

810
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:42.400
We can still do something on it. We can, we can.

811
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:44.800
And of course, because you had
mentioned your sister, I was thinking,

812
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:45.719
you know, a couple of years
ago, you, you and me and

813
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:52.039
your sister were doing a rotating thing
of discussing South Park in different podcasts there,

814
00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:54.880
which is pretty funny. Um.
And also, uh, you know

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there is there is now officially a
missus porkins too. So listen, you

816
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might not know that missus Perkins on. So we we we we could have

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the missus Perkins discussion one day.
Yeah, oh, I'm sure Amy would

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be up for that anyway. That's
that's that's my nod to her. Whether

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she wants to do it or not, I don't know, but I'll ask.

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And anyways, so we'll be catching
up with you a lot more in

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the very near future. And you
guys out there, no matter what,

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remember this, No matter who you
are, where you are, when you

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are, I am merely o'chelly,
and all of you are indeed the effect