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you, Yeah No, Chucky May second, twenty twenty three, allegedly according
to that thing we call a calendar, and this is indeed the show you're
looking for, even though I might not be quite recognizable via my voice.
Welcome to it. Here we are, oh boy, Tursday, Tuesday,
and it's not the second broadcast day of the week, because well, I
was trying to rest a bit, but I wanted to do a special show
tonight with a friend of mine that I haven't gotten to uh talk to it
all really recently, um a little bit privately. We've been able to exchange
texts, but he hasn't been on the show. I haven't really gotten a
chance to talk to him. He's been busy. Maybe i'll talk about some
of the things that have happened since the last time that he was on the
show. But we'll find out. And also with the celebration of the ten
years of the Ocelli Effect and all that good stuff. Um, you know,
he'll be part of the magic bullet thing too pretty soon, whether he
knows it or not, because we did for a little while. Du porkins
policy radio here on o'chelly dot com, after it was on American Freedom Radio,
and of course after it was a long time podcast all by itself elsewhere,
it was over here on ochelli dot com. And you'll be in the
master archives here, Pierce. So I actually have a bullet shaped thumb drive
that's gonna come out this year, and it's gonna be O'ceelli's Magic Bullet and
it'll be the full ten years of everything that's gone on the past decade,
including shows I produced, which you know remember a long time ago I asked
about using your show in the archives. So finally that's coming to fruition.
Okay, excellent, excellent, and uh, anyway, that was a lot
of fun. We had a little trouble with your show here and there,
got a little controversy this and that. But what else did we have controversy?
Yeah? Yeah, you were one of the first, like I've now
been completely stripped from YouTube. I don't know if you know that. Oh
I didn't know. I did know that. I did know that a little.
Okay, yeah, my show's caused some of that. Well, your
show was part of the first time then I think I was taken down and
I got it back because there was a Whitney Web interview. Oh well yeah,
yeah, I mean I I took that one down myself voluntarily. But
anyway, Yeah, but what happened is I had it on YouTube and nobody
said anything for a while, and it was taken down onto the weirdest of
circumstances. It was part of a couple of things that got taken down.
You ready for this one, I was cyber bullying according to that show,
and another show on my own, we were cyber bullying Jeffrey Epstein, just
so you know. Oh yeah, of course he was dead, So I
don't know he's cyber bully dead guy. Well maybe not. When I did
the one with Whitney, I think she I think he was still alive at
that point. Well he might have been then, but it was taken down
along with another one that I did, which was apparently part of a cyber
bullying thing. So so weird. But he was dead by the time this
happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't know who was offended
by that, but I don't know Gilaine or some some other figure connected.
I mean, he is dead, but he obviously is still you know,
living on in many ways. Well, here we go the zombie Epstein effect,
what you know. And it's so funny because you and I have spent
a lot of time talking about it unfortunately, and uh, we're gonna talk
about it a little bit tonight, right, I mean, what what is
Yeah? Because well, just if I can jump in, I just wanted
to say it's it's really good to be back. I feel it is like
surreal, and I was I was actually getting quite nervous. I was saying
off air. My sister was was was hanging out with us just a few
minutes ago, and I kept kind of being like, Okay, I gotta
Chuck's about to call. I gotta you know, I gotta get ready.
I gotta get ready. Um. So I was nervous. And it's it's
great to be back. It's great to hear your voice. Um, you
know, as you said, we've just been uh we've just really been texting.
We haven't really I haven't talked to you. I haven't talked to Aaron
in quite some time outside of just you know, texting here and there.
So it's good. It's good to be back. Um, I'm excited.
I hope this is uh, you know, maybe not not just like a
once off, and hopefully maybe we can do some more shows like this.
Oh no, look, I need you if you want to come on and
comment on and discuss and try and rationally go through some things. I definitely
need you. I mean, if you take a look. Well, we
could talk about the news cycle today if you wanted to. But I'm almost
not in the mood because weirdly, I'm watching uh long tirades on CNN about
Um, you're ready for this one. Uh. They're letting guys on there
talk about how you know, illegal immigrants are dangerous and because this guy you
know, apparently I don't know, shot and killed a bunch of people in
Texas and had come across the border a bunch of times illegally. Um,
that's unusually illegal immigrants. That's the story that Abbott is uh so far there.
Yeah, um, but it's weird to have Anderson Cooper letting a guy
go on and on about that. Um that's there. There's something odd going
on at CNN. They just fired Don Lemon too, I know, you
know when I saw that, instantly, Amy was like, oh wow,
they got Don Lemon, and I turned. It was just like a Chuck
will be happy. Oh yeah, well there's that. But you know what
I'm not happy about is the recent embrace of all media by Tucker Carlson,
who was also let go recently. Yeah, I know, I said I
saw that as well. Just do you know everyone coming out of the woodwork
to to somehow you know that he was some sort of voice of reason,
and uh, I actually saw um, I don't know what podcast Tucker was
on, but it was some kind of uh you know, one of these
kind of like uh right wing vague vaguely alternative podcasts that you know, had
Tucker Carlson on, and he's talking about you know, the Epstein conspiracy and
all of the right you know, things that are wrong with it. And
I I suppose that he did talk maybe somewhat about that on the show,
but I mean, you know, to listen to Tucker Carlson, you would
think this guy is has never believed the official story, has always been dying
to sort of uncover um, you know, stuff related to it. And
it's just I don't know, I don't know what this, this embrace of
Tucker Carlson from both seemingly kind of left and right alternative media, right Well,
the weird thing is that all media has started to embrace him not too
long ago because of a couple of things. One, he allowed a legit
JFK person on his show to talk about the document dump, a guy I
knew and had on this show like the day after, right, And it
was like, well that's odd, first of all, um. But but
secondly, he had come out at some point and done a presentation where he
said, look, the CIA was somehow involved in Kennedy's assassination. Now he
didn't say anything of substance along with that, He just made that statement like
kind of dropped it and left, right. Um. He had also made
some other statements out there that were, you know, about the vaccine and
this and that, and he started ingratiating himself to the alternative media and a
lot of all media people in recent times I've taken note have sort of like
done the whole mild embrace of him, much like they did with RT.
Now. I've been talking to you about that for years, where RT has
become legitimized, right, And I kept saying for many years, like why
are you guys embracing a government media run outlet? You know, Well,
look they got Lee Camp on there. They tell some truth. I'm like,
yeah, when it's convenient to their agenda, and you got to understand
that's the way things work. But a lot of people are like, well,
at least Fox News is willing to go the other way on some stuff
where they're not just with the official story, right, They've embraced the alternative,
and Tucker has embraced the alternative. A lot of people think he has,
sure, and it's just been this weird phenomena. And then I see
this as as a new shople This is a new you know, Glenn Beck
being introduced, okay yea yeah um. And also it goes along with the
well Alex Jones is just not filling the role anymore, Okay. Number one,
Number two, Bill O'Reilly was cut loose and nothing really came of that.
He is, he's a podcast, but I don't know a soul that
listens to it. Yeah, he's unsuccessfully out there floating around. I mean.
The weirdest thing is that he now is a regular guest on with Chris
Cuomo, who is on like a yeah, who was on like a Christian
all network, Um, the yeah, yeah, yeah News Nation. You
ever heard of it feels familiar. I'm just sort of eagling Chris Cuomo as
as we're talking about You gotta check out Meathead. He's pretty funny. He's
over there on the Christian News Network, right. And Bill O'Reilly is like
one of his regular people. Uh. Any, and he shows up and
he gives you know, Bill O'Reilly swag to his producers, and they got
a whole chimney thing going wow, like as a constant, and Bill O'Reilly
is just not as marketable to young people. I don't know who he's marketable
too. I mean, he's got some money behind him, but other than
that, I don't know if he's successfully spreading. Right. Uh. Glenn
Beck had the Blaze for a bit, and again this is one of those
you know, the alt embraced Glenn Beck because he got you know, unceremoniously
dismissed from the MSM. Um. I have all the pieces here, I
just don't know how to articulate it that what happens is you introduced somebody who
was successful in the MSM into the alt media, and what it's doing is
clogging up all of the lanes that are available to real independent media, right,
Um, and these guys come out as, oh, I'm legit because
I actually got myself fired. I mean, look, O'Reilly was fired from
misconduct so well. And and and in a way, Tucker Carlson is kind
of uh, I mean it was misconduct in terms of you know, he's
bad mouthing all these people at Fox. Um. Yeah, but notice how
well timed that was. Look, Fox is going to absorb this giant you
know, uh uh dominion lawsuit, right, yes, now they can absorb
it. People are like, oh, they're never gonna pay that off.
I'm like, yeah, you don't realize the profit margin over there. I
mean, it's gonna hurt him a little, yeah, but I think it's
gonna make a major impact on you know, their programming or budgets for you
know, some of these other people. I don't even know who's still there
anymore, Breton fare Well. But they're shifting around and preparing for the twenty
twenty four run, right, Yeah. And they were positioning themselves as like
maybe not being with Trump, but what are you gonna do if he's the
you know, Republican and choice well, and I wonder how much of that
too was also a little bit of the they're assuming it's going to be him
and Tucker Carlson for all of his you know, sort of praising and boot
licking. I mean, he doesn't really seem to be maybe as pro Trump
as many of the Fox News viewers are, you know, and that that
I think kind of maybe backfired as well some of the you know, some
of the stuff you know connected to the election, which still seems to be
this um, I don't know what what you know, it still plays I
guess very heavily within Trump's uh you know circle one. You know, the
interesting thing is you got hold on because you got stolen election. Okay,
you have you know, a side with Trump because he's fighting the deep state
publicly. You've got he was given the access and ability to play the January
sixth videos, right, Well that's right, yeah, I mean, look,
combine all that stuff, think about that collect actively. This is him
getting street cred as a true alternative voice because look, eventually they had to
kick him out of there because he's just not going along with the program.
Right, So you can offer him as what the controlled opposition see because I
still stand with the idea that the whole Trump thing is the steam valve.
This is the way to divert legitimate descent into well, go this way.
Okay, you're sick of political correctness, You're sick of you know, the
business as usual. You're sick of the liberals taking stuff over, you know,
the culture wars, Like I crack up with certain things because you know,
it's like the amplification of what is a relatively a small thing sometimes,
but they hamp it up with the culture wars. I mean, right now,
you've got the governor of Florida well engaged with a battle with Disney.
Yeah, you know, I mean, traveling around the world, meeting with
foreign leaders, like he's already the president. Sure, but does he have
the personality to pull it off? Is anybody gonna buy that this guy gets
legitimate support? And again looking at the polls, and then you got to
introduce into it another weird part of the equation, which is RFK JR now
legitimately running right right, So this is this is a different landscape. If
he gets any kind of traction, I mean, so far he steps in,
he gets like seventeen percent according to polls, right of what could be
the potential democratic boat right away, nobody's pleased with Biden. Okay, nobody,
right, you have Trump coming back, no matter what everybody's like,
Oh, we're waiting on all these different things. They're going to prosecute him
in New York and Georgia. Well, I don't see any of it going
anyway air And in fact, as soon as we get within a certain striking
distance of the twenty twenty fourth selection date, it's all going to come to
a stop under the same excuse as before, which is this would be interfering
with the political process. Right. So I'm just saying I see a bunch
of positioning where there's gonna be a whole lot of options for all sorts of
controlled opposition, and at the end of the day, you're just gonna get,
you know, something else off of the menu of crap of just you
know, an old man who is just going to be a placeholder legitimately not
really representing the majority of the public, not representing the will of the people,
not representing you know, reasonable sanity, and we'll get a whole lot
of nothing done as usual, right, I mean correct? So all right,
anyway, I'll shut up now, but I'm just saying that the Tucker
Carlson thing to me is just trying to smear some credibility on him as an
alternative voice, to offer him out into the into the wilderness, so to
speak, where he'll you know, suddenly have plenty of money to run his
own thing, or he'll show up, you know, on some other network
temporarily and get booted from there too, right, um, and that'll be
that you know, well, you know what, but you know what I
find well, one is I think the I don't know why that this is
I was seeing each other day, but like the you know, the bell
weather will be does he appear on Joe Rogan? Uh you know, because
like I feel like, you know, if he does, then it's like,
oh, who knows, you know, it's like this sort of the
sky is the limit for for Tucker Carlson at that point. But I I,
you know, in all seriousness, I do see that is I'm sure
Joe Rogan would love to get him on, and that is such a like
a great platform to uh you know, he can he can come off as
this really reasoned person who you know, oh, I'm not really left,
I'm not really right, you know, and he can talk about Jeffrey Epstein,
he can talk about you know, COVID nineteen and whatever it is that
you know is sort of like the hot button thing for him at the moment,
and he can seem like this really you know interesting person um. So
that to me is one thing, you know, is if you know,
if he does that right. But the other thing I found interesting just sort
of thinking about this the past couple of days with the you know, him
leaving and this, oh he is this you know, he was I don't
know, trying to sort of speak out um while at Fox, and you
know, he's been trying to push all of these different things that that you
know, his bonafides and in terms of his all media credentials. And it's
interesting because then I saw this stuff with Tucker Carlson talking about how, you
know, he never believes that any of the Epstein stuff. He is very
open on podcast talking about that he does you know, he thinks Epstein was
murdered. Uh. He won't say Deep State, but he you know,
that's the implied uh uh you know, And plus a sort of uh,
you know moniker that he's using for that. And at the same time,
like shortly after he gets booted um the Wall Street Journal, the parent company
for you know both uh, you know, Fox News and The Wall Street
Journal being Rupert Murdock. But they're all they're all under the same you know,
news corps. Right. The Wall Street Journal comes out with this,
you know Epstein's private calendar. You know, he's meeting with the CIA director
and Noam Chomsky and a lot of other prominent liberal um figures, the president
of Bard College, um this, uh, this lawyer of Vertic Goldman Sachs
and was also an Obama appointee. And there was just something about that that
just um and and then you know, and all these people I you know,
it's a lot of people online pointing out, oh you know, it's
it's all these Obama officials and Ahood Barack. You know. So there's a
you know, a Jewish quote unquote element to all of this. And you
know, it's so funny that the whole thing one is the A few things
that struck me about that very early on in the uh the Journal article and
I I'll try to find it, but um, they there's a line um
where they talk about Epstein's death, and the two writers who wrote this they
seem to be implying that without without sort of avertly saying it that Epstein was
murdered in prison, which I did think was interesting, you know, even
you know, this is a legitimate mainstream newspaper, that is kind of you
know, they're not they're not saying it flat out, but I can't remember
the exact language, but I read that as you know, allegedly uh,
you know, killed in Prism. And yet the whole article, while being
interesting, and I do think it's important, and I get why people were
sort of excited about it, and to me, I was like, it
was shocking the amount of times he met with William Burns, the you know,
CIA director, And to be like, oh, I had no idea
what this guy was up to, and this person is supposed to be in
charge of, you know, all of the activities of a spy agency is
laughable at best. But the whole piece seemed um just along the lines of
what you're talking about, completely controlled opposition, very deliberate, uh you know.
And this is what I didn't understand from a lot of people. You
know, they're they're pointing to all these Obama officials. Now granted this was
you know, a lot of these meetings were happening while Obama was president,
so it makes sense that, you know, if Epstein is his mover and
shaker, he would be going to the you know, the people that are
in power. But I don't believe for a second that the Wall Street Journal
acquired and to my knowledge, I don't know where. I'm not sure where
they got this. If this was leaked to the Wall Street Journal, I
don't know that this is you know, it wasn't um. I don't know
if this was like in a like court documents or what they I don't remember
being clear there. And all of the uh, you know, all of
the articles covering this all point to as you know, disclosed in the Wall
Street Journal. You know, they're they're not they're not linking or they're not
saying something else. So I don't know how the Wall Street Journal got this,
but to believe that that in I don't know whatever all these you know,
I don't know scores of emails they're only Democrat uh politicians that Epstein is
talking to is just laughable rum and the funny thing, you know, and
this is all coming again like this is I believe Rupert Murdock is in the
Little Black Book. You know, Epstein's book. I mean, you know,
they knew each other, and this is coming through his news outlet,
which also controls Fox, and you know, and it's all it's like only
I mean, it is sort of like a conservatives wet dream. You got
Nom Chomsky, who people are making such a big deal. And I mean
he is obviously very you know, influential individual and he's very famous, but
I don't know really anyone on the left that actually takes him seriously, you
know, outside of other kind of old fogies. So you know, but
it's like Noam Chomsky, bunch of Obama officials, including the CIA director a
Hood Baraque. So again you've got that that tickles the funny bone for every
you know that every person out there conspiracy theorists and sees some sort of Jewish
element behind everything. And it just seems like, I don't know, the
timing of that I found very interesting. They're kicking Tucker Carlson out. They're
coming out with this big expose detailing all of this stuff about Jeffrey Epstein and
of course is leaving out the fact that you know, obviously he was close
with Rupert Murdoch, right, um, you know, I mean he's closely
and also at the same time as this. I don't know if anyone else
noticed this and this, and I say this, you know, full disclosure,
as somebody who's kind of out of the loop with a lot of news
stuff, and certainly with a lot of the Epstein stuff, I've barely been
kind of keeping abreast of stuff. But um, you know, you've got,
on the one hand, the Wall Free Journal feeding out this story.
On the other hand, Steve Bannon, who's his own legal troubles but is
still kind of touted as this, you know, he's fighting the good fight
against you know, the liberals and uh, you know, the New World
Order and all that stuff. He was making a documentary with Jeffrey Epstein.
He was interviewing, he was going back and forth to his house. There's
there are tapes online. There's like a trailer for this movie before Epstein was
arrested, obviously, but you know, it's I don't know that somehow seems
to to kind of has just completely skirted any kind of scrutiny from these same
people that are going to you know, so I don't know, I mean,
maybe they're not totally related. But the Wall Street Journal piece felt very
deliberate. It felt like a very sanitized version of whatever these emails are,
right, And I don't know. I found it also interesting too that you've
got Chucker Carlson talking about Jeffrey Epstein suddenly, and I mean to me again,
it just felt like, you know, he's trying to be like,
oh, you know the media is covering this up, right, but is
he now here's the fun part. Notice the similarity though, because like Tucker
Carlson coming out with the whole of the CIA had something to do with JFK's
murder. They drop a statement out there, they don't tell you where they're
getting the information from, they don't tell you how they came to this conclusion.
They just put it out there. And then what happens is it reverberates
by as you said, now other people are going, well, this came
out through here, and that's it. There's no like, where did this
come from? Exactly where it was? The evidence Garner, you know,
none of that comes through is dropped as a statement, and now it is
a tell for anybody who wanted that piece of the puzzle right, and if
you wanted all the liberal side of the equation to be caught up with Epstein.
Now you're satisfied. Forget about the fact that, oh, you know,
Trump went but you know he just went there with his family for a
vacation, you know, and some of that wasn't even real. All right,
fine, you know, forget about all those people. Forget about all
the you know, not necessarily even political people at all, but just the
media people that were tied with them. Like it stands the reason after a
minute, like, what in the hell is the good and proper purpose for
all of these people to be interlocked with this guy? Right, Like,
what what purpose does it serve? Like the CIA director? Yeah, what
is he doing? What is he doing? I mean, what is what
is Noam Chomsky, Jeffrey Epstein, and Woody Allen all doing together? See
you look, we can make jokes about all right, Woody Allen. I
mean, let's leave Woody Allen out for a second, but let's go back
to nome. What is Noam Chomsky doing? Would Jeffrey EPs I haven't the
foggiest idea, I mean, supposedly talking about geopolitics or something. Well,
you know, I mean it's and you know, I will say that the
thing with the the Chomsky one, so This is the thing when you look
at like, uh, William Burns, you look at um, you know
these Goldman Sacks people. Um, I forgot the other the other person that
they mentioned in this is and it's just like again it's it's too good to
be true. Arion D Rothschild so not in actually you know she's married into
the Rothschild family. But again, I mean it's you've got Rothschild banking Jews,
you know, I mean, it really is just it. When I
was reading it, I was just like, oh my god, this is
just crack for a certain type of conspiracy theorists. All you need very well,
yeah, all you need is Barack Obama himself, okay exactly, and
like you know, Hillary and uh and and two well known lesbians to be
on the plane at the same time. Uh. And that's it. You're
you're you're set. You've hit the trifecta, you know, superfecta of all
of you. But you know, those the the the William Burns, the
Golden people. That almost to me kind of makes sense, Like I mean,
if you believe that Jeffrey Epstein, you know, had to have been
some kind of asset that was or someone that certainly was utilized by intelligence service,
utilized by somebody. You know, it makes sense that Burns is talking
to him these like Goldman's. I mean, what's this Jeff Statlee Stately,
who's this former JP Morgan executive he worked at Barclays who you know? And
now he's embroiled in probably one of the more sort of I don't know if
a big is the right word, but it's certainly a much larger sort of
legal battle right now. He's being sued by multiple people in connection to his
very close relationship with Jevery Epstein. And there apparently a lot of emails between
the two of them talking about young women, talking about you know, they
would call them by these different Disney princess names. I mean, you know
that. I also, I mean seems like there is a just a straight
sort of sexual angle to it. But also finance. You know that he
was Epstein for whatever, or that he was a billionaire, He wasn't a
billionaire. He certainly was involved in finance. He was involved in moving money,
and he knew that world. So all of these business people makes sense.
Noam Chomsky really just sounds like Noam Chomsky wanted to did a little girls,
and you know, knew that his entree into that was Epstein. I
really don't know what the hell else they would actually have to, you know,
interesting to discuss. And Noam Chomsky is sort of like, um,
his response to these Wall Street Journal inquiries is just I mean, it's ridiculous.
He's sort of like, well, it's none of your business who I
hang out with. And uh, you know what, what's wrong with hanging
out with him? And one of the greatest film directors of all time?
Yeah, well there there you go and that. And that's the other strange
thing is, um, you know how many of the Hollywood be I don't
know, this seems to be lacking heavily in the Hollywood people this time.
Yeah, yeah, I know, I mean right exactly. I mean,
it's it's like raw Woody Allen. That's about it. It's just I don't
know the whole thing again. It's just like you've got so these people again,
we're we're meant to believe or we're you know, the the the sort
of implied you know these with all of this is and it's true, these
people knew or they should have known, that that he had served time for
solicitation of underage prostitutions. Ridiculous. Um, you know, uh, crime
that he copped to. And again Noam Chomsky, things like, well,
you know he did his time, so what like again like oh, well,
you know I believe in prison reform and and and you know, rehabilitation.
Um and you know, yeah right, um for this for a guy
that I mean, what was that? You know? I mean I'm repeating
myself to probably you know, all the listeners, but you know, private
cell and the prison he was he was going in and out of the prison.
You know, all day he's he's going around, he's uh, the
his the the you know, the prison guards are supposed to be watching him,
aren't paying attention. I mean this it's not like this guy was like
you know, in Rikers doing time. Yeah know. And the weirdest thing
still it never addressed, is how a guy ends up in Trump's cabinet who
you know, Yeah, and I and and by the way, I'm not
trying to harp on the right wing, because here's the thing. It is
very possible that it is much heavier on the uh you know, the the
liberal or democratic side of the equation, that we have a much heavier traffic
here. Uh I am not even gonna challenge that that that's very possible,
but the fact that they're not there at all, you know, there's nobody
on that other side. Yeah, so they're all these people, you know,
they they they should have known or they did know, right, but
at least in the Wall Street Journal stuff, and even with uh this this
former banking executive, just Stantley, they all add a certain point, you
know, even if it was like late in the game, they all did
eventually kind of cut off contact. Yeah, you know, and and I
think I don't know, I would have to really kind of go back and
look at these the dates that they're stating a lot of those I would assume
coincide with different kind of stories coming out about him, whether it be twenty
sixteen, twenty eighteen, even or you know, twenty ten when I I
started kind of becoming obsessed with it. Well you go back, yeah,
you look, you look at the controversies that came out, You look at
the different times when they were and there have been various waves right of documentaries
of you know, news programs that investigated side different air stuff podcasts. So
the thing is different levels of awareness could have come about and somebody could have
finally said, oh, you know what, maybe it's just better I stopped
returning this guy's calls, um, you know. But but uh, Steve
Bannon, he definitely knew. We see, and he's going over to his
house, like you know, months before he's arrested, right, and and
say with Michael Wolfe as well, the the sort of tabloid uh you know,
not being mean, but right, it wasn't it was Michael wolf Write
the writer. Yeah, yeah, same thing like that. They're all hanging
out together, going over to his house. Steve Bannon's making an Epstein film
with him. I mean he had you know, I don't know what I
guess. It's just like I don't know what to make of that. Obviously
Steve Bannon knew what was going on, and in fact, I mean he
sort of famously alluded to that, um, you know, hitting out against
Ivanka Trump, um, you know, in relation to to her father's relationship
with Jeffrey Epstein. He's publicly stated that. So yeah, again, I
don't know if we're probably just sort of beating a dead horse here, but
yeah, it did feel the whole it was weird, but sorry, it
just felt very odd the way that this story kind of just came out of
nowhere seemingly right. Um. And and exactly who it was targeting, um,
same thing, you know, president of Barred College. Obviously that's not
gonna play well, you know for uh, you know Midwestern Republican you know,
conservatives, and and I'm started painting a broad brush. But you know
it's a very you know, she she rich um East Coast School. No,
of course, you know when you see something like this that's not coming
out of the dog pile though, right where. Look, you know,
when the momentum is against somebody, Okay, like when when Gilaine was on
trial, you knew that a lot of this kind of stuff. You know,
if it drops, you expect it. Right. They're they're definitely gonna
try and get clicks. They're gonna try and get you know, I don't
think anybody sells papers anymore, but you're gonna get clicks. You're gonna get
you know, your little online subscriptions. This is what's gonna happen, right
Um. And hey, if you carry the stuff, you're gonna get traffic
because people are interested at the time. Right there, there's a new Filthy
Rich on Netflix. Whatever. Yeah, okay, but this is weird timing
because unless they're trying to be the opening st Albo and something and get ahead
of something else that's about to drop, what is the point. I don't
think there's a trial going on. Uh, you know, almost dead silence
on whatever's gone on with the estate, right. Have we heard anything from
that lately? Have we heard anything from the victims lately? As far as
are they still going after things? I'm sure there's still things, you know,
in the works in the courts, But is there any newscover John it
lately? I haven't seen it. No, No, I don't think there
is. I mean outside of uh, you know, Tom Green made some
comments on TikTok or Twitter, Instagram or something, you know about the Oh
there this big bombshell they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna name all the names with
epstein um. And that's why you know they're there. They were releasing stuff,
remember with the UFOs, the weather balloons, and they were all meant,
you know, yes that was it and I don't know, sorry Tom,
but that never really none of that really happened. I mean there's the
names a few you know, um, which is not that interesting, you
know, and I don't think it's really going to come to too much.
I mean, there was some news story a couple of months ago something about
you know, Gillaine was again there were complaints on her behalf about how she
was being treated in custody, right, And there was some kind of suggestion
in some of the French publications that there may be a time where she drops
some information out there that she's previously withheld in order to get herself a better
you know, better facilities to be in or something, uh, you know,
to try and make a deal. I saw something like that, and
I think that was at about the beginning of the year, right, and
dead silence ever since we didn't see anything. I mean, is this potentially
part of that? Is that why nobody's stressing you know, the source for
this? It could be I you know, I mean, I but this
is supposedly emails and and and stuff. Also you're telling me in all of
these well, but to know, to go back to that, I I
think that I'm sure Maxwell has knows all sorts of stuff. I mean,
I'm not suggesting I know a damn thing here. I want to make that
clear. I'm sure Maxwell knows all sorts of things, but the fact that
she hasn't talked is telling and that's weird, you know, right. But
I mean, one, if we want to, like really, you know,
start exploring it out. There is a you know, Donald Trump's bizarre
comments while still president about wishing her well and I just wish her well.
Uh, you know, he kept repeating that in some news conference. I
mean, that was one of the strangest things again which gets no traction,
but you know, he's fighting the deep state. That again, I mean,
had to have been a message that it's like, listen, if you
don't say anything, you know, it's gonna be better for you. And
this is my way of letting you know that everything is cool. Just don't
say anything, you see. I pointed that out at the time, and
of course, you know, people went to the very easy explanation of that,
where it's like, look, the only reason why anybody's pointing at that
is because they hate Trump. And look, I grant you, I am
not a fan of the guy, Okay, but the thing is, it's
just so weird that he would make that kind of comment where it's like,
obviously that implies that he gives a crap first of all, because you know,
if you don't know it, Yeah, if you don't know her,
you don't care. It's not part of anything that you're concerned with. Then
you know what, I got nothing to say about that, you know what
I mean? And especially him, he's very much I mean, if anybody's
going to argue with me, whether they're a fan of his or not,
that he's egocentric, that he's going to you know, the the entire universe
revolves around what is good and bad for Donald Trump, right when it comes
to his public pronounce whether he's president or he's doing what he's doing now and
going through you know, everybody's making it was making a big deal for about
a week. Oh you know, Egene Carroll is gonna make this big statement,
gonna get him on this rape trial, and and he doesn't even show
up for that, right yeah. I mean, dude, it's a weird
thing for him to go. Well, all I have to say. I
mean he literally intentionally was like I just want you know, I want everybody
to know I wish you're well, like weird. Well again, I think
that that was the way of saying, uh, well, one is like,
don't say anything like, you're better off just keeping your mouth shut,
stick to the trial. Don't try to play like some sort of you know,
pardon the turn of phrase, but don't play a Trump card and be
like, well, here's the you know, this is where the Bill Clinton
tape is. You know, don't say anything, because again, I mean,
what, yeah, why why doesn't she She could spill the beans about
any number of people. I mean, and you know, if we're both
I think, being honest about it, you're you're probably right, Chuck.
She could really spell a lot more beans about Democrats or so called you know,
liberals. And I mean because it does seem for us, and I
think that that Epstein kind of was an equal opportunity. Um oh yeah,
but you know, those relationships do seem to be a little bit more solid.
The stuff I mean with the Clinton Foundation, that's not that's not made
up like that is that does seem to be uh, his connections to certainly
that uh sort of um uh, you know, wing of of politics.
It does seem a little bit more solid. But she didn't say anything.
I think she might have also realized, I mean, who knows was Epstein
talking to his lawyers. I'm gonna name names. I'm gonna do this.
I mean, who knows well even stranger than that. Let's let's step back
again one more time, and then I'm gonna let you just run the last
ten minutes here because we're only going to go straight up to as I speak
live, which, by the way, there's a problem with the streamers,
so I don't know if we're broadcasting or not, but it doesn't matter.
We're being recorded as we speak live, though. I got about ten more
minutes to talk to you, so I'm gonna let you roll with this after
this. But it's something else to consider. You know, people often complain
about the liberal media and now they're run by you know, and all of
that, and Fox is like an opposition. Okay, let's let's face some
facts here, all right, and try to take the politics out of the
equation for a second. If you wanted to do a general takedown of the
media, okay, just in general, the amount of powerful and influential people.
From my understanding, and maybe I'm misreading things, but across the board,
you got a serious takedown of the establishment media that could be had here
because I saw names, you know, everywhere from Katie Kurik to Oprah in
prey right, Stephanopolis, I mean all across the board, mostly liberal media,
but let's just go with establishment media. You could take down so many
people if the real dirt came out, if any of those implications are remotely
true. Right, plus the Clintons, plus the whole left wing right,
I mean, this is Taylor made to be weaponized by somebody who wants to
do exactly what that Wall Street Journal article does, except on a massive scale
with real evidence. Right. No, not only do we have you know,
emails and this and that, but guess what Galaine knows where you know,
the tapes of the bodies are buried? Okay, out the bodies,
all right? And how that has not been somehow grabbed, How that's not
been again webanized by somebody who wants to score those points. It's baffling to
me. How is it that Galene has not made a deal somehow to get
her sentence or duced, get better living situation, get something out of it.
How is it that some other associate has not been even maybe you know,
where's the other associates being brought to trial? I mean it's not just
they're not bondying Clyde here. Okay, there's got to be a lot of
other people involved. How come all of it's not dropping what? They're all
dead? You know, you know what I'm saying, Like, there is
a serious open question about if you wanted to take down the media in general,
liberal or otherwise, but liberal definitely either way. If you just wanted
to generally kick the two of the legs out from the four table, you
know, four legged table of the media, you could do it with the
f Stein evidence, couldn't you. So why is that not happening in your
mind? I think because the the the whole Epstein saga from the very beginning
has always really just been about uh, politics and politicizing the Epstein's relationship with
you know, with other people for political ends and for whatever reason. From
the beginning again, you can go all the way back to Radar Online,
you know, and a few other sort of a sudden, you know,
kind of gossipy news sites that were reporting on him when no one else was.
And it was always his connection to Bill Clinton right now, you know,
the Donald Trump stuff was you you kind of did need to like really
search for that um in the early days, you know, uh, it
was. It was certainly there and and you know a lot of people were
talking about it, but it was it was not it's like readily available.
It was not you know, something that you know, you had to kind
of look for it. And then even even that was like there were these
pictures that you know, you could find and like you know, Getty and
other um photography sites like that, but there weren't the these sort of you
know, more salicious stories like this one and that that golf magazine that no
longer exists where you know, Trump is holding his plane up for for Epstein
and Maxwell and some like that piece of video where the two of them were
making you know, yeah exactly, it's like right, like but that took
years right to come out. You know, from the beginning, it was
always well, it's you know, Bill Clinton is a perv and of course
he's he's he's closed with Epstein and and unfortunately I think that the that which,
by the way, good why and I think that that that probably you
know, at the end of the day, well you know what it was,
it was just sort of it's it's the you know, the thing about
that is, yeah, I think that relationship is super it's real and there's
a lot to it. And if you look at some of this stuff,
you know where Epstein's claiming to be part of the Clinton Foundation and you know
those sort of things. Yeah, that's big. But the the what I
always find interesting is the Trump stuff seems to predate that. And the falling
out between the two of them is really interesting in that it's never really been
explored. But at the same time, you know, they've had this falling
out, but neither one of them is really kind of you know, I
publicly said anything bad, and then you've got Donald Trump running around wishing Gillian
Maxwell well and kind of skirting the fact that he ever had this relationship.
At what point? At what point was he saying stuff like though, well,
you know, yeah, I know that guy, he kind of likes
some young When when was that? Well, so that was like that was
like at the height of of of Epstein. That that's like the the Verity
Fair article, the Vicky Wards stuff, right, okay, you know,
and that that's like at the height of that And again yeah, exactly,
Oh yeah, he's he's a great guy. I love him. He just
young. It's like way too like really underwhelmingly yeah exactly. I mean you
can tell to like how dated you know. I mean, nobody would talk
like that now, you know, right, like you would just be you
would not have a career in you know, business or now. Yeah,
Epstein was okay, but he just he sort of liked him a little young.
If you said that now as a reaction to didn't you know that guy?
And people would be like, yeah, you're done, I mean with
your career, right, okay, go ahead. I'm sorry no, but
I think it's that's the thing it's always been about, uh, turning Epstein,
turning one's relationship with Epstein into a political weapon to use against other people.
And I'm not sure what the the the the machinations behind this Wall Street
journal piece, but it does seem, you know, very pointed. I
mean, William Burns is actively this the CIA director, right. I just
pulled up uh, you know, Fox News, but a Fox News reporting
on the fact that you know, the White House isn't going to comment on
William burns relationship with Epstein. Um, which is just sort of like,
come on, guys, like it. It's it's there. I mean,
this is in This is not Radar Online. This is the Wall Street Journal.
This is one of the biggest newspapers in the world reporting on this.
You've got to say something. But but either way that you know, it's
interesting that that's coming now again too, when you just mentioning, you know,
you've got this senior citizen running for president again, no disrespect to seniors
out there, but you know, this is very unpopular, very old economy
is in the toilet. Yeah, there's there's a million things you can blame
on Biden, um which are you know, many of them are super legitimate,
some of them are just you know, you're always gonna blame who's ever
in power, but you know it doesn't look good for him. And now
to have this as well, I mean that that again it feels sort of
deliberate. I think the more the part of it is more interesting is who
really cares um that William Burns? I mean, how many people When I
first saw the name William Burns, I had to think. I was like,
well, how do I know that name? Oh right, Cia,
you know it wasn't it wasn't you know, So I don't know how clue
in people are too, uh, you know, people like that. And
also I don't know if that many people really care. I mean, I
think that's interesting. Is that the the the you know, one of the
reasons I stopped uh um recording and stuff was, you know, the the
Epstein stuff that becomes so big and it was such a if you were making
all this money off Epstein. Now I feel like it's kind of like old
haf you know, it's kind of boring and who really cares whatever, he's
dead, Well, it is in prison. But again, let's let's recognize
just with a couple of minutes here and a couple of sentences from a Wall
Street Journal article published on the twenty first. Okay, which opens this is
the opening paragraph, just really quickly for the listener, in case you haven't
read it yourself. JP Morgan Chasing Company had ties to Jeffrey Epstein that ran
deeper than the bank has acknowledged. Okay, and extended years beyond when it
decided to close the convicted sex offenders accounts, according to people familiar with the
matter. Now pause, according to people familiar with the matter, Okay,
this becomes murky. It's this is a very general open statement, and it
implies again we're having you know, banking troubles too. Pierce. Don't forget
that, you know, in the midst of all this other stuff going on.
Um, but let's go back to it. Uh. Let's see.
Mary erotis a top lieutenant to the chief executive Jimmy demon d I M O
N. I always forget how topnounce these things. Okay. Made two trips
to Epstein's townhouse on Manhattan's Upper East Side in twenty eleven and twenty thirteen,
when Epstein still was a client of the bank, said the people familiar with
the matter, She exchanged dozens of emails with him and discussed sharing with him
fees related to a charitable fund that the bank was considering launching. The people
said, so this is, you know, twenty twenty thirteen, they're talking
about a new venture with the guy and it's a charitable organization. Now,
you know, he gets into it further later on, But I'm just saying
this is still he's got the money. Even though they closed his accounts,
right and they're supposed to be not really doing business with him, they still
are. Is that the bombshell that they're making it out to be Pierce?
Or is this just some added hype and is there a specific reason why JP
Morgan has hovered over here. What do you think? I think I think
that the JP Morgan stuff and and if people are interested, they should look
at this guy's Statley who worked at JP Morgan and then at Barclays, and
he is involved in some a lot of allegations. I think that that is
actually one of the bigger bombshells is the the closeness um that JP Morgan had
for this guy who again his who knows how much money he really had,
you know? And and who was this guy that JP Morgan, You know
that Jamie Diamond and again Statlee was like head of JP Morgan, you know
in the US. These guys are meeting. They're going over to his house,
you know, They're not is not going into the to the you know
it to JP Morgan's you know, uh conference room. They're going over to
him. I think that that is that is really interesting, and I think
that you know, there's there's more to it than um uh you know,
he was just a client. They're trying to come up with some sort of
charitable organization. What I will say on that is because the banking stuff is
interesting, is remember that uh, you know, all these other uh massive
crime figure people that are way worse, you know than Epstein. And I
know that that sounds crazy, you know, Epstein is like the worst according
to many people on the internet. But you're talking about like drug lords,
war criminals. They all bank with JP Morgan, right, you know,
uh and and you know they're they're moving truly billions of dollars in you know,
cocaine money and stuff like that in and out of these banks. That's
how these banks really operate, um and that's why they're they're so big and
they're so powerful, is because that this is where people go to hide their
money, to launder their money. So that I think is the that's like
the real threat is what was it? What was Epstein doing for JP Morgan?
Right? You know, I don't think it's the other way around.
People like to make this out that you know, oh, Jamie Diamond,
these other people, they were almost like, you know, beholden to him.
You know, I think it's more what were they getting out of this
relationship? That to me is the interesting thing. The stuff was was Statlee
was fascinating about that is that he seems to have actually been an active participant
in abuse with Epstein, right, so, you know, but yeah,
I think that the JP Morgan stuff is really interesting. Also that I mean
they keep they keep kind of um, you know, changing their Oh well,
oh yes, I guess it. The relationship technically did go on a
little bit longer. I would not be surprised if the other bombshell is that.
Well, actually we didn't really cut off our our relationship with him when
we said we did. Yeah, And will there be any more bombshells?
I mean, are we literally still you know, I were bullying the dead
horse. I don't know, I might just call this podcast, uh,
you know, like here we go? Is this gonna Is anything gonna come
with this? I mean, eventually, how how long are they gonna keep
telling us that there's gonna be a you know, the big drop, right,
the big dirt is gonna come up. It's got to come up.
This is why Galayde is still alive. This is why whatever. Um,
I don't know, man, I no longer know what to make of this
at wall. To be honest with you, I don't know what it means.
I don't know what use it has. I'm waiting to see somebody pick
up the weapon. I can certainly see it could be weaponized, but I
don't see anybody going to grab it. Nobody's grabbing this pistol for the duel,
you know, No, it's it's it's only for these like little tiny
skirmishes. The Walshreet Journal is gonna publish some stuff about this, and and
in in a few days it will be forgotten. No one is going to
care. And then to an extent, I don't even really care anymore.
You know, there's like so minor in terms of like the real kind of
like cry that this cabal of individuals is committing. Again, you're talking about
JP Morgan. This is a bank that launders money for drug traffickers. Um,
you know people way you're talking about like sexual trafficking, people that are
like actual you know, like worldwide sex traffickers making you know, billions of
dollars on a daily basis. Yeah, exactly, like FC and two small
potatoes compared to you know, some of these other people, right, Um,
you know, so yeah, yeah, to a to a To a
large extent, I mean, who who cares. It's it's not that interesting.
And again it's mostly these sort of there's nothing all that crazy. The
crazy stuff is I think a little bit is his statly character because he does
seem to have actually been like participating in abuse. So that is interesting.
And you know that you've got this banking official running around with him. But
no, I mean William Burns and I don't know what him and Chomsky we're
talking about, but I don't think we're really going to learn much about that.
And I don't think that you know, again, I don't think it's
going to take down anyone. This is just it does seem like it's something
that has trotted out to kind of reassure people of a certain political bent.
Oh yeah, this guy is bad and the people he associates with are bad,
and you know we got to vote against them no matter what. Right
well, and that could be just the whole point of it, the broad
brush and the stroke of it. So with that, Pierce Redmond, lately
you haven't been all that active. You got anything to point anybody too?
As we go on out the door here or no, just stay tuned then
coming into your future tune hopefully it'll be more. I mean, yeah,
you can go to Parkins Policy review dot com. There's there's there's tons of
stuff there. It's all a little old, but yeah, there's a lot
of stuff there. You can check out my YouTube channel as well. It's
all linked there. But yeah, that's where I would go. But there's
not there's not, but this will be there. Well, now that I
know that that that I have the option again, I'm calling on you.
You know, I just might do that. And I got a few culture
things to go over with you, a few pop culture things if you Yeah,
we have just watching the Picard too, so we could. Oh yeah,
I've been catching up on it, so we could. We could definitely
do some star treks, so you know, you know that it's over right,
I do. I'm still like on the second season, I'm like super
behind. Okay, cool, But also Discovery has been announced that they are
going to bring that to a conclusion as well. Oh wow, I didn't
know that. Yeah, um, so yeah, you and I could get
into some star trek because man oh man, a boy, did I enjoy
some of the really ridiculous on the nose fan service in Picard. But I'm
loving Picard. I know people didn't like it, but I actually really enjoy
it. Well, I'll tell you this, if you're enjoying second season,
the third season, in my opinion. The second season was staggering, and
the third season the ship was righted. It is really into I mean,
you know, a lot of it again, fan service, very obvious.
You know, they're sort of coddling the TMG fan quite a bit. I'm
okay with that. But it's okay, and I'll tell you something else.
It's just it's, um, it's very interesting, a lot of it,
and I can't wait to see what it is you think of it. Uh,
not just on a typical level either, you know, a standard pedestrian
level, but uh, and you and I haven't discussed South Park in a
while either, what's to discuss? Oh yeah, I just feel like they
don't even care. You know what that that that is a good way to
uh spoil the entire podcast. I could do with you right there about it.
We can still do something on it. We can, we can.
And of course, because you had mentioned your sister, I was thinking,
you know, a couple of years ago, you, you and me and
your sister were doing a rotating thing of discussing South Park in different podcasts there,
which is pretty funny. Um. And also, uh, you know
there is there is now officially a missus porkins too. So listen, you
might not know that missus Perkins on. So we we we we could have
the missus Perkins discussion one day. Yeah, oh, I'm sure Amy would
be up for that anyway. That's that's that's my nod to her. Whether
she wants to do it or not, I don't know, but I'll ask.
And anyways, so we'll be catching up with you a lot more in
the very near future. And you guys out there, no matter what,
remember this, No matter who you are, where you are, when you
are, I am merely o'chelly, and all of you are indeed the effect