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Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man,

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I'm forty. Go ahead, make
my day every single week. I

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put my freaking heart and soul into
this. I don't go out there and

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laugh. It's not funny. Nothing's
funny to me. I don't wanna go

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out there and get embarrassed on Monday
night football fun of everybody. I think

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this is the beginning of a beautiful
friendship. So I ain't nothing changed from

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yesterday. Still the same person I
was yesterday, and I got the same

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thing for you that I had yesterday. You know why I'm here. You

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play to win the game. You
don't play to just play it. That's

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a great thing about sports. You
play to win, and I don't care

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if you don't have any wins.
You go play to win. When you

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start telling me it doesn't matter if
you retire, get out for the matters.

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Never has it mattered as much as
last night's game at Rick woid Field

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in Major League Baseball, maybe they're
starting to get it a little bit.

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Major League Baseball has done a really
good job of creating these types of memorable

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events and helping people understand the legacy
of the game. In this case the

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Negro Leagues. It was pretty special. Fox of course does a really good

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job with it. And you had
all these patriarchs, if you will,

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who representing the Negro League's Cardinals beat
the Giant six' five. Not that

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that's the most important part of the
story, but this is the event that

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Willie Mays they were hoping would be
before he recognized he would not be able

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to make it, and eventually obviously
he passed a couple of days ago.

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But Major League Baseball has done a
really nice job. Remember they've done the

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game in Iowa for the Field of
Dreams. That's been really cool. This

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taking their game internationally has been important, whether it be in London or whether

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it be in Japan or Korea or
Mexico. And they've been doing that for

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a while now. But all those
things are really important for Major League Baseball.

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Other sports have done it. I
think it's brilliant. I think it's

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well done. The only thing I
would ask is, you know, especially

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like the Field of Dreams, you
wish you would have more true fans out

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there rather than representives of Major League
Baseball. But in the end, a

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job well done, pretty cool event. I don't know if you had a

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chance to watch it, hopefully you
did, but it was special. Tigers

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host the White Sox in the first
of a three game weekend series starting tonight.

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Detroit has dropped four in a row
ten of thirteen. They sit twelve

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games back in the division. Chicago
is arguably the worst team in baseball.

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They've lost seven of ten. They
have a league worst seven road wins and

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just twenty wins overall, fewest in
baseball. Jack Flaherty throws against Eric Fetti

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in the series opener tonight. Then
it'll be Kent to Maida in the middle

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game, and then Rhee Olsen in
the series wrap up. I don't want

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to be too dramatic here, but
you lose this series to the worst team

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in baseball, a team that has, I hate to phrase, nothing to

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play for, but I mean they're
just going through the motions, and they've

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been going through the motions for a
while. It is a really, really

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tough spot for Pedro Graffall and Chicago. I do like the White Sox manager.

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He's a good man. I've had
a chance to talk with him at

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length about a lot of different things
in the past, and I do I've

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always enjoyed those conversations. I don't
know what kind of manager he is,

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to be honest with you, Usually
you want to talk to people who are

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close enough to them and see them
on a regular basis, are at their

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games, you get an idea from
them friends of mine who broadcast their games

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on radio and TV. Then you
can kind of look for tendencies. But

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as far as a person, he's
a really good person. I can't figure

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out. Well, I can,
but I I choose to tread very carefully

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why that team is so flipping bad? And I'm not going to sit here

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and talk Chicago White Sox baseball with
you. It's just it's surprising considering some

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of the talent quote unquote that they
have on their team, like Andrew Bennan.

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Tendee has been horrible, like the
worst of his career, but beyond

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one of the worst players the game
has seen in a long time in everything

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he's trying to do. And when
he was in Kansas City, when he

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was in Boston, I thought he
was really good. Like I would have

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taken that dude. That dude helped
his team win a national championship at South

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Carolina. He's an amazing player.
At the collegiate level. He was really,

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really good in Boston, Kansas City. He gave him a shot in

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the arm. He goes to Chicago
false apart, it's awful. Eloymenez not

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good, Yoon Mancata not good.
Luisa Robert a guy who's has as much

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talent probably as any player in the
American League. They're just horrible, horrible.

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So I don't want to be too
dramatic like I said, but you

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lose that series, your season is
over. You lose this series at home

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against that team, especially when you
have this pitching two of your three starters,

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I would consider who are having very
good seasons to that team, and

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I can't imagine how you come back
from it. I can't imagine how you

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return. So that's the thing I'm
looking for this weekend. I know it's

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kind of a weak way for you
to look at things and what you're looking

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forward to this weekend, but I
pick out little things when it comes to

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a series. Sometimes it's how well
a certain player may be playing on your

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team. Sometimes it might be how
bad a certain player is playing on your

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team, to see if they can
correct themselves. And quite honestly, sometimes

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I really look forward to watching another
player on the opposite team. Seriously,

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I mean I like going in and
watching Bobby Wit Junior play for Kansas City.

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If Kansas City were in town right
now and Detroit was playing them,

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the highlight for me would be Bobby
Witch Junior. Because there's really not many

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people on the Tigers now. You
want the Tigers to do well, don't

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get it twisted. It's just that
it's not the highlight of your game right

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there. Jared Duran of Boston is
a fun player to watch. Rafael Devers

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unbelievable player for Boston right New York's
in town. Are you looking more forward

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to watching a certain Tigers player or
are you looking forward to watching Aaron Judge

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if he's healthy. So that's what
I'm looking for this weekend. Game six

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of the Stanley Cup Finals faces off
tonight at Edmonton. Oilers have won the

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last two games by scoring thirteen goals
overall. They are trying to become the

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second team of twenty eight to ever
win it all after trailing three games to

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none. Who's the other other team. It's the Toronto Maple Leafs in nineteen

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forty two, who were down three
games to none. To none other than

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the Detroit Red Wings, and they
came back and won. Florida will try

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and avoid that tonight. If you
believe in momentum, which I mean I

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use the word quite a bit in
sports and writing and all these I can't

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say that I always believe in it. If you do, I mean Florida

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had the momentum, right, They're
up three games to none. There's momentum.

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Something stops it. Now do you
believe Edmonton has the momentum? So

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they're playing better. It's pretty obvious
they've done something to solve Sergei Bobrovski and

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they did so probably at the end
of what game three, and now it

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is clicked for them. So I'm
excited for that. The Stanley Cup Finals

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has to do with one of our
two pool questions. So does another story

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that's big in sports. We'll get
to that when we come back on Exus

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Negro League's Tribute at rickwood Field last
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coverage in general, stealing the show
was Reggie Jackson's pregame storytelling. It's amazing

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what he went through. Who was
there to help him? What would have

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happened if they weren't Reggie Jackson when
they I think what they thought they were

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going to get is these are these
beautifully spunned yarns of storytelling from Reggie Jackson

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about Rick wood Field, And instead
what they got was a deep down,

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true truth of raw emotion on what
happened to him and the experiences that he

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had to have where he was staying
in Joe Rudy's house, sleeping on his

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couch three to four nights a week, and people threatened to burn the building

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down if he didn't get out.
Where his team would go to, and

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this was with the Oakland A's early
on, where his teams would go to

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various places to eat, and they
were turned away because of Reggie Jackson's skin

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color. And how McNamara the manager, and Roley Fingers and Joe Rudy and

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Dave Duncan and others said, well
them, we're not even here either.

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How Charlie Finley, the owner of
the A's, brought him his team to

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his country club and they would not
allow him to eat. They pointed him

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out specifically, and Charlie Finley said, then we're going to go down and

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have burgers instead, And eventually they
did allow them to eat, But who

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would want to eat there anyway?
If that's either either policy or be their

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beliefs, or see both. And
Reggie Jackson kept saying, I wouldn't wish

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it on anybody. And had it
not been for certain teammates who believed in

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him, didn't buy into that racist
mindset, he would never have been the

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player he was because he would have
been thrown out. He would have been

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he would have gotten in so many
fights that something else, his path would

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have gone much differently. That was
as good a storytelling as any you've heard

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all season long. I've had the
good fortune of meeting Bridgie Jackson on a

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couple of different occasions in New York, once in Houston, another had the

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chance to chat with him on the
field of play. Would never have been

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able to get that out of him
by any stretch, nor would my teammates

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at the time in the broadcast booth. But he is Oftentimes people talk about

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his ego. Okay, we all
have egos, by the way, I

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think we all do. Some are
just bigger than others. But for them

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to kind of open that door.
And Alex Rodriguez is the one who asked

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the question and I still think surprised
at the answer, as everybody was.

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They just let him talk. It
was phenomenal and it was emotional afterwards.

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If you get a chance, I'm
sure it's on YouTube somewhere. If you

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get the chance, try to find
that and it'll open your eyes a little

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bit. No matter how you feel, it'll open your eyes. It's it's

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impressive and like I said, very
emotional. Okay, maybe an emotional hire

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in Los Angeles, JJ Reddick to
no one's surprised. James Edwards told us

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this. Yesterday we had James Edwards
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excuse me, and he said,
look, the reason the Pistons on his

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list of possible candidates, The reason
for no Jj Reddick is because he's going

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to be the Lakers head coach.
And what happens later in the day yesterday

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he signs a four your contract to
replace Darvin ham. Reddick, a fifteen

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year vet, does a podcast with
Lebron James, so that shouldn't be a

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problem. The question is how long
could he last? Young guy? But

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how long could he last? Because
the Lakers haven't had a coach stayed more

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than three years since Phil Jackson in
twenty eleven, which leads us to these

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poll questions. We have two of
them, but they're very simple, and

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they're really easy. Is the Lakers
head coaching job a desirable one? Seventeen

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World championships. Some of the greatest
players to ever play the game of basketball

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have played in LA, whether be
Kareem abdul Jabbar or Magic Johnson, Elgin,

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Baylor, Jerry West, James Worthy, you can go on and on

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and on. There's a ton of
them, all right, But with Lebron

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James there and I think this has
come out to be more accepted than before,

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and that is that he's a handful. He wants to do everything.

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I mean, he's had nine coaches
in his career. That's a lot,

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it is. That's a lot for
a guy who is considered one of the

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greatest of all time. Remember in
Miami. I mean, let me ask

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you this, Do you think Eric
Spolstra is a good head coach? I

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think is a dynamite head coach.
Would you love him as your head coach?

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Absolutely? I'm not sure there's many
coaches in the NBA who you'd rather

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have than Eric Spolstra. He gets
a ton out of his teams. They

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seem to be always in that mix. There's something about him, and I

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know because right hand man is Chris
Quinn. My hope is that the Pistons

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get a chance to talk to him
and see if it's a good fit.

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But he wanted Eric Spolster fired early
on. Think about that. How short

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sighted is that Lebron James in his
infinite wisdom, and most people would say,

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hey, listen, can't do anything
wrong, right He's got the league

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in the basketball world by you know
what, he wanted him gone. That's

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heavy. So it's a as one
website I forget which one yesterday said,

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it's a daunting task because he has
butted heads with just about every single coach

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he has ever had. In fact, only two Spolster and lou weren't let

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go while Lebron James was there.
Five coaches were fired. Luke Walton mutually

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parted ways before taking the King's job, and as I mentioned, James wanted

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Spolster fired. In twenty ten he
started nine to eight. All kinds of

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problems Lebron James had eyre toward his
coach. They stuck it out and look

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at what Spolster was able to do. They went on to win an NBA

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championship. So that's one of the
pole questions. Is a Lakers head coaching

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job a desirable one? And we're
going to replay our interview with James Edwards

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from yesterday. We're going to play
that here at six thirty five. The

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other pole question has to do with
Game six or the Stanley Cup Finals in

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general. Should Connor McDavid win the
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player in the postseason Stanley Cup Finals. Even if Edmonton loses the series.

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They can lose tonight, but Connor
McDavid has forty two points. That's the

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fourth most in a playoff season of
any player in history, Wayne Gretzky,

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Mario Lemieux, two others. That's
the question, and we'll tell you about

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others who have won it despite playing
on a losing team. There's not many.

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We'll give you that in the seven
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James Edwards of the Athletic joined us
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Williams and where the Pistons go next. Will replay that when we return on

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Radio to twenty one thousand. Couple
of things here. As we get rolling

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here in the second hour, I
had mentioned just before we replayed the interview

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with James Edwards from the Athletic Hope
you enjoyed that. I thought it was

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very revealing and we'll get into the
Pistons here in a moment. But I

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said, just before then, I
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bit about one of our poll questions
and one of the pole questions. We

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have two of them on there,
and one of them is should Connor McDavid

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win the Consmike even if Edmonton loses
the series. This trophy has been awarded

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fifty eight times. It's given to
a player from a team that lost in

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the Stanley Cup Finals just five times. One was a Red Wing. Roger

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Krozier of the Red Wings, even
though they lost in the Stanley Cup Finals,

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was named the Conn Smyth Trophy winner
in nineteen sixty six Glenn Hall of

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the Saint Louis Blues. Two years
later nineteen sixty eight, the Blues lost

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the Stanley Cup Finals, but he
was named the Con Smyth Award winner.

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Ron Hextall for the Philadelphia Flyers in
nineteen eighty seven, they lost, but

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he was named the Con Smyth winner, and Jean Sebastian Gaguere of the Mighty

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Ducks Savannaheim in two thousand and three. They lost, but he was named

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the Con Smyth winner. What do
all those men have in common? Exactly?

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They're all goaltenders. Connor McDavid,
one would guess, even if they

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lose, would be named the Con
Smythe Award winner. He's been the best

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player in the series. He's been
the best player in the playoffs. Based

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on what well points are important,
you know, I mean, who else

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you're going to choose? So my
son and I were talking about this the

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other day. Who else you thinking
you're gonna do it? Because McDavid has

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led the playoffs and scoring by a
wide margin eight points better than his teammate,

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by the way, Leon Dreisidle and
his line might it's Pathwayen Gretzky for

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most assists in his Standy Cup playoffs. That's impressive. So I think he's

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been correct me. If you think
I'm wrong here, feel free to join

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us. I think he's been the
best player in the playoffs. I don't

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think there's much doubt about that.
I suppose some people may try to make

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a case, and I think it
would be fair for Leon Dreisid at least

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got ten goals, but he's got
twenty eight points. Matthew Chuck, He's

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been really good for Florida. He's
probably been their most consistent player. Alexander

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Barkoff, but he went through a
little bit of a stretch of the last

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couple of games where it hasn't been
all that great. Gustav Foresling, but

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he's a defenseman. You're not going
to you know, that's I know Nick

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Lidstrom has won it before for the
Red Wings, but that's just a that's

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a tough one when you're giving up
as many even though you don't always look

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at one defenseman, you know,
thirteen goals the last couple. Sam Reinhardt

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was their best offensive player all season
long. He's a free agent, by

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the way, but that's you know, you want to throw his name in

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there. I think you're reaching if
that's the case. Anyway, that's one

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of the pole questions. You can
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and we'll give you the results on
Monday. Okay, we're going to do

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it on Monday. Here's the other
thing somebody had. I don't know if

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they're associated with the Golf Channel.
Earlier in the week, we were talking

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about the US Open Rory McElroy.
One of our pole questions then was did

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Michaelroy lose it or did you shamble
win it? Your overwhelming response was McElroy

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lost it. John Rahm came out
and said, you don't realize how difficult

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to put that was on eighteen,
how it was curling left to right,

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and so on and so forth.
Somebody said, look, due to bogeying

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three of the last four holes and
what some would call a meltdown. Remember

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Bryson Deshamba bulgeyed a relatively easy putt
quote unquote on fifteen, but we don't

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bring that up. My immediate thought
was, well, that's because I mean,

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first of all, Macelroy again,
bulgi three of the last four and

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two of those three sixteen and eighteen
were three foot putts, and I'm not

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saying they're easy. I've missed my
fair share with a hell of a lot

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less on the line, but I
don't get paid for a living to do

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it either. He missed two putts
that he had gone four hundred and ninety

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six for four hundred and ninety six
prior to then that's really impressive, right,

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you make four hundred and ninety six
putts in a row from three feet

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or closer. Those are you know
gimmes, by the way, they not

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all of those could be just you
know, straight potts. So when you

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make that many in a row and
then you miss two of the last three

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in similar fashion, people are bound
to see, to feel and say,

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what of course they are. They're
gonna go, you know what I mean,

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choke, That's what they're gonna think. That's the first thing that comes

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to mind. So I guess I'm
a little confused why people are trying to

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So Deshambo missed a pot okay,
you felt it was uphill and you thought

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it was straight. It was a
little bit longer than mclaroy's, but that

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shouldn't matter. He missed it okay, also redeemed himself also the shot of

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the tournament. One of the best
shots in the history of the sport,

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at least from a major standpoint,
was his chipping out of the sand.

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And what's interesting about that is that
Deshambo, prior to that tournament, when

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people asked him he was doing a
press conference, I believe, what's the

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most difficult shot for you? And
he said the fifty yard or maybe it's

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maybe said fifty five sandshot. That's
the one he struggles with. Nobody in

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that tournament all weekend who is in
that bunker were able to get up and

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down for par until he did it
as the member of the last group and

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the second to last shot of the
entire tournament, because Matthew Povlon had to

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tap in for parr. Something to
be said for that, don't you think

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when we come back JJ Reddick,
now the Lakers head coach, there's a

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report that there are four men coming
in to talk about the Pistons head coaching

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gig. All four James Edwards just
mentioned as part of our interview yesterday.

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Three until six Free Press yesterday indicating

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that they have confirmed that four men
will come in as candidates to interview for

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the Pistons job. One is Dallas
Maverick's assistant John Sweeney, one is Minnesota

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Timberwolves assistant Michael Nori. Another is
New Orleans Pelican's assistant James Barrego and former

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Cleveland Cavaliers coach JB. Bickerstaff.
Barrego was a guy who's familiar with trade

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and Langdon known for he had a
four year run as head coach in Charlotte

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from twenty eighteen through twenty twenty two. They wanted him to rebuild that team.

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If you will remember, LaMelo Ball
was part of that. As James

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Edwards pointed out in the Athletic to
us yesterday and we replayed this earlier.

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He said, look this guy,
I say, he's considered one of the

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best better offensive mines in the league. So could he be the right fit

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now? I wonder how many people
think about this. Coaches who take over

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teams like the Pistons oftentimes don't get
a chance to see that through. People

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feel like there are steps you got
to get us to this, and then

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we get the next guy to get
us to hear. I can't say that

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I always believe in that. But
for this situation, when you're going to

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go from seventeen to fourteen to what
number of wins can you build upon?

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That the belief is always, Like
you and I both know this, the

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belief is always one year you are
reaching a certain amount of victories a certain

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level, and that because of those
wins and that experience, you're going to

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what take the next step? Whatever
that step may be. Okay, maybe

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it maybe from horrid to average,
and it might be then from average to

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solid, and from solid to very
good, and from very good to excellent,

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from excellent to championship material. I
don't know how you want to use

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that ladder, but people automatically think, especially with young teams, next year

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is going to be better. Pretty
good example of it right now is the

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Tigers, and I fell into the
trap. Okay I did. I thought,

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this is a team that's going to
be better than last year because guys

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are going to grow. The front
off is going to do something in the

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off season to help them advance.
You know, the victories and the statistics

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and the experiences, and they haven't
offense is much worse than anyone expected.

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And you have to ask yourself,
knowing the date that it is right now,

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it's June twenty first, knowing that
is this going to be another long

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summer of losing baseball? It's fair
to ask that question. People feel like

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it can't get any worse. For
the Pistons winning fourteen games, right,

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isn't that the mindset? It's a
franchise worst. They lost twenty eight games

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in a row. No one had
ever done that before in the history of

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the NBA. Right, how can
I get any worse than that? I

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agree with you, And then I
stop myself and I think, wait a

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minute. In twenty twenty three,
they won seventeen games. You know what

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I said at the end of that
season. Can't get any worse. It

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did, And I'm not saying it's
going to be worse. I'm just the

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expected process doesn't always go the way
we expect or want it to. Unfortunately,

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so is James Barrigo that guy?
Is it the next few years?

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We need to take this step and
then the new guy comes in with more

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experience. Folks. You remember the
Tigers in the mid teens, right,

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and we felt like, okay,
they were a manager away, and what

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did they do. They brought in
Brad Osmas. One of the worst decisions

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the organization has ever made. Right, would you agree with that? You

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can talk about first overall picks,
Matt Anderson, You can talk about draft

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picks in general or trades right Verlander, J D. Martinez. You can

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talk about free agent signings, hobby
bias, disgruntled players, one Gonzalez,

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ridiculous contract offers, one Gonzales.
You can talk about all that stuff.

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Right, stupid decisions right now.
I went off on a tangent the other

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day about this. It's ridiculous to
think that this is what people want.

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Better seats. No, people want
winning product. I'm not going to go

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into that again, but you know
we saw that, right, one of

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the worst decisions ever made. Brad
Ausmis, as a first year manager,

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takes over a team that is on
the cusp of not just winning the division,

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winning games and winning the division,
but a World Series favorite, and

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it blows up in their face.
They needed a more seasoned manager, right.

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That was when everyone was like bringing
Ron Garden higher agreed one hundred percent.

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They got it wrong. They went
vice versa. They went Awesmis with

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the veteran laden team that was on
the cusp of winning. Then when they

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decided to blow it up bringing new
guys, what do they do? They

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go with the old school guy in
Ron Garden Higher, who, let's face

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it, took the job because he
was out of baseball. Want on one

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last kick at the can. Why
don't owners get it? Why are you

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hiring people for a money Monte Williams. The only reason he came back was

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money. I told you that I
did not like the hire. I don't

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know. The man seems like a
good enough person. Obviously has credentials to

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be a head coach, five winning
seasons out of ten NBA Coach of the

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Year, led a team to a
Western Conference finals, but openly admitted I

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need a break. I want to
get away from this for a while.

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I don't want to coach. And
the only way you bring him back is

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I can't say no to that.
It's money except for the rest of my

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life. Not that he wasn't already. He's got sixty five million dollars over

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the next five years. It doesn't
matter where he goes. He's got a

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lounger somewhere. He's not breaking down
tape. He's not getting ready for his

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next job. This is what he
wanted anyway, or a reason he came

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back because of the money. It's
a wrong reason. Why would you bring

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him? Same thing with Ron Garden
Higher, The reasoning is off. So

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now with the pistons, where are
you going? Are you going a guy

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who can rebuild them? Or are
you going with a guy who can mold

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them? Is this the next step? Is this the guy who's gonna get

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00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:30.280
you to thirty five wins and eventually
forty wins and then you're gonna go Sorry,

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00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.880
we need that next guy to get
us to the playoffs and then be

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a championship contender. I don't know
the answer to that. I just know

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he's one of the four guys according
to the Detroit Free Press who is going

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to be interviewing in person with Trajan
Lane. We'll give you the other names

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and some of their background when we
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forty three and the text line Sports
Radio. To twenty one thousand, we

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were talking about the Free Press article
that indicates four men planned to interview,

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at least so far for the vacant
Pistons head coaching gig I told you about

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00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:09.199
James Barrego. Sean Sweeney is a
Minnesota Timberwolve's assistant lead assistant head of the

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defense for the Western Conference champion Dallas
Mavericks. He was also part of Dwayne

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Casey's staff for three years in Detroit, worked with Jason Kidd in Brooklyn,

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and as James Edwards told you in
our interview yesterday, he was critical.

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He was really important in the development
of Giannis Antete Campo, who swears by

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Seawan Sweeney. That's a pretty damn
good endorsement. Now, with that said,

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00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:57.559
we've heard of other athletes and other
men who've accomplished things before give rave

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00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:02.440
reviews about certain individuals, and that
kind of convinced us that it was the

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00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:07.960
right hire at the time before we
found out it wasn't case in point Earnie,

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of course, he who accomplished a
great deal as various teams general manager

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00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:24.119
in the NFL strongly recommended Bob Quinn
and the Lions hired him. And we

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00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:30.599
all know what happened there, right. Not that this falls under the same

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00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:35.559
example, but Peyton Manning went to
bat for Jim Caldwell. I liked Jim

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00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:39.840
Caldwell. I thought he was a
really good coach, especially Monday through Saturday

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00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:45.960
Sunday. You could understand some head
scratching moments right that you and I may

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00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:52.400
have had. I think every fan
base has that with their with their coaches

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00:46:52.840 --> 00:47:00.760
in the NFL. So just because
janisante Tekempo says oh on Sweeney's the real

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00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:04.039
deal, doesn't mean you hire him. But it sure doesn't hurt, right.

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You know what it is. It's
basically a reference. You apply for

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jobs, you hand in a resume, they ask for references, You give

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00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:15.559
them the references. This one just
happened to be a little bit more public

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and a little bit larger name than
most. So besides Brego, besides Sweeney,

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the Free Press is also reporting that
Michah Norri, the New Orleans Pelican's

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00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:37.880
assistant, is also in that mix. He should be a familiar name because

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he's the lead assistant in Minnesota.
Chris Finch the head coach there, Remember

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00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:51.239
when he had a problem when he
injured his his left knee was it his

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00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:57.159
left knie whatever in a collision in
the first round playoff series against Phoenix and

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he had to sit in behind the
bench. It was Mike H Norri who

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00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:07.039
was kind of directing things. He
too, worked on Dwayne Casey's staff in

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Detroit for three years, and he's
ted stops in Toronto and Sacramento and Denver

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as well, so he's got a
nice resume that he's put together. And

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then the last is JB. Bickerstaff, who you're familiar with as well as

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a head coach in Cleveland. Personally, I would like to see Chris Quinn

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added to that list. James and
I talked about that yesterday. Guys worked

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under Eric Spolster since twenty fourteen.
I actually filled in for him as head

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coach a couple of years ago,
so I'd like to see that name added

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too. But the four, even
though they might not be huge names,

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So what at some point. It's
so interesting in coaching if you look back

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and you wonder if a guy is
like I always bring up Joe Tory in

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this Joe Torre, would you consider
I mean, when you look at the

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all time great managers in baseball,
would you say that Joe Tory was one

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of them? Absolutely? Okay.
He's a Hall of Fame manager, all

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right. And the way he handles
his staff, the way he handled his

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players amazing, right, helps to
have talent, It's no doubt about that.

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But true time manager of the Year, won six penance, one four

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World Series. It's amazing, right. Look at his record before the Yankees,

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Like, he goes to New York
and he wins ninety two and ninety

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six, one hundred and fourteen and
ninety eight. I mean, he's thrown

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up numbers and you're like, wow, it's incredible. Prior to New York,

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though, back to back losing seasons
in Saint Louis nineteen ninety he finished

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ten games under five hundred. Under
five hundred is last year in Atlanta,

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and with the Mets he didn't have
one, not one winning season. He's

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a player manager in seventy seven and
then became full time manager seventy eight through

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eighty one, not one winning season, not a Hall of Fame manager.

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Sometimes you just you need a second
chance or you need the right situation if

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you will, Okay, but sometimes
those big ames. I mean, let's

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let's be honest. When Chuck Daily
came to this a long time ago,

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I get it. But when Chuck
Daily came to Detroit, and if you

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can recall, do you remember when
Chuck Daily came to Detroit? Did you

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know who he was? Like?
I think people people remember Dick Vitell.

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They knew Dick Vitell because he was
the head coach at the University of Detroit,

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not the not the guy who's on
TV recently, but I'm talking about

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00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:40.239
the coach. They remembered him with
Terry Tyler and Terry dou Rod and John

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00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:47.880
Long at U a D. But
did they Chuck Daily? You didn't.

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00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:55.199
You didn't remember Chuck Daily. You
didn't know about Chuck Daily as a as

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00:51:55.239 --> 00:52:04.440
a head coach. Hell no,
you didn't know he was the coach with

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the Philadelphia seventy six ers and that
it was a mighty struggle there. Did

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00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:15.760
anybody anticipate him becoming the fifth coach
in NBA history to win back to back

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championships. Did anyone think that he
would lead the Dream Team, the original

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00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:30.440
Dream Team, as the head coach. I don't think anybody did. You

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00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:37.639
couldn't have predicted that when he first
came to Detroit. Many people consider him

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a top ten coach, top fifteen
coach at least in NBA history, But

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as a head coach, Well,
what I say, did I say?

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Did I say Philadelphia? I I'm
in Cleveland, right. He came from

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Cleveland, he was nine and thirty
two and got fired. Then he comes

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to Detroit and it maybe took a
little bit to get his feet under him,

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but he had a winning record and
everything every single year he was in

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Detroit until when I think, I
think every year he had a winning record.

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Then he goes to New Jersey and
then Orlando and then he retires.

549
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:34.119
But the point was when he came
here from Cleveland, people didn't know who

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00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:42.519
he was. So keep an open
mind, and I think people have.

551
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:47.800
I think Pistons fans have kept a
very open mind when it comes to who

552
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:52.000
the next head coach of the Detroit
Pistons going to be. I think people

553
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:58.440
recognize, they realize that the talent
is really not there. It's not as

554
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:01.519
much the coaching. Sure, there
was some huge mistakes made by Monty Williams,

555
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:09.280
it made no mistake. It made
no sense whatsoever to start anybody other

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than Jade and Ivy, And yet
he goes with a guy who eventually he

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00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:21.800
cuts and is out of basketball.
Right makes no sense. But I think

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00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:30.679
you should be okay with an assistant
right now who's cut his teeth and is

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00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:35.599
now willing and earned an opportunity to
be a first time head coach. I

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00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:40.880
think it makes sense to do that
with this team. I really do.

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00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:51.880
I don't think many people knew who
new Zy the loane was okay and then

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00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:53.039
he takes over the Red Wings.
Now, you may not be happy with

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00:54:53.159 --> 00:55:00.199
it, but there are plenty of
There are plenty of examples of guys who

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00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:07.599
have bided their time and going on
to be really good coaches or gotten second

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00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:12.119
chance. Kevin Cash is a good
example of it. Anybody know who Kevin

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00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:19.559
Cash was before he took over in
Tampa? No, see, you do

567
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:25.760
the research after. That's what I
liked about James's article yesterday is the fact

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00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:30.400
that he brought up names right away. You know people could talk about why

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00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:36.320
Monty Williams was fired and all this
other stuff. But what James did was

570
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:46.039
bring up, now, where do
they go from here? Phone number on

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00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:50.840
the Meyer hotline eighty six six eight
three eight forty eight forty three. The

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00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:54.079
text line is sports radio to twenty
one thousand. I was looking at Kevin

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00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:58.840
Cash real quick because he was a
player, you know. I mean,

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00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:01.679
he was a a player with Boston
for a little bit. But he's better

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00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:07.599
known, obviously as a manager than
he was as a player. And he's

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00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:12.840
been one of the better managers I
think in baseball. I mean, considering

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00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:17.559
what he's had to deal with,
considering the payrule that he's been, you

578
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:24.840
know, challenged with, pretty damn
good. But you never heard of him.

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You'd take him now, though,
wouldn't you? Absolutely? You would

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00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:35.599
really like the way. I know
you're going to bring up a Blake Snell

581
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:40.639
thing. I get all that,
But I think he's I think he's been

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00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:53.159
really good, and considering before he
was the manager in Tampa. He he's

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00:56:53.199 --> 00:57:00.840
a guy who was a coach under
Terry Francona with the Cleveland Indians. Played

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00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:05.519
for Francona a little bit and got
his shot and has it really looked back.

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00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.920
Then you get a guy like aj
Hinch, for example, who started

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00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:15.119
in Arizona, was fired there gets
that second chance in Houston, wins a

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00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:21.280
championship and parlays that into more success. So there are a lot of different

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00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:25.719
ways to go about it, and
I think right now is the perfect time

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00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:30.559
to have a lesser known guy as
long as he knows what the hell he's

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00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:32.800
doing, you know, as somebody
tweeted to us the other day. As

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long as you get a coach who
players listen to and he can develop players.

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These men on this list, anyway, have proven track records of being

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in organizations. I don't know if
they've transformed a Giannis Ante Tecumpo, for

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00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:53.719
example, even though Ante Tecumpo gives
Sean Sweeney a lot of credit for that.

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00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:04.559
But these men have been part of
organizationations that have seen a development of

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00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:10.360
specific players and younger players and key
players to organizations. So whoever it is

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00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:15.039
it comes in, they that has
to be part of the criteria. Right

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00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:20.400
Let's face it. The Pistons,
at least according to fans, and it

599
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:24.039
sure seems like many many members of
the NBA fraternity, they're not going to

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00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:29.440
draw the big name free agents unless
you're overspending and you don't want to do

601
00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:32.719
that. But you're not going to
draw that for some reason or another.

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00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:36.880
I don't know what it is.
Because it's a phenomenal facility, it's a

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00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:39.039
great sports town, it's good people
who live here. I mean, if

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00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:44.280
you just give it a chance,
you would understand all that. But maybe

605
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it's because you know you're playing in
front of you know, empty arenas because

606
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you're losing and so on and so
forth. Who knows, but I digress.

607
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Let's face it, you're going to
have to draft and develop players,

608
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and you're going to have to take
over an organization that has a lot of

609
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young players, second youngest team in
the NBA, and you're going to have

610
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to make sure they get to a
stage where you're getting the most out of

611
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their potential. So that has to
be part of the interview process, right,

612
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I mean, that's what Tradjan Langdon
is going to interview these men on.

613
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:25.760
He's going to ask them, how
are you going to make Jalen Derham

614
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better? What do you see in
Jaden Ivy's game that makes you think he

615
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:37.760
could possibly be an All Star?
I don't know, how do you take

616
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:45.599
Cad Cunningham and get him to the
next level. What do you think of

617
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:50.719
all these different players. You can
talk about offense, you can talk about

618
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:54.000
defense all you want. That's great. I think most of that is you

619
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know. I mean, if you
look at a lot of the videos of

620
00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.199
the great basketball mind Steve Kerr,
for example, why they run a certain

621
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type of action and how it really
creates mismatches and how it gets his best

622
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.039
players set up. It's fascinating stuff. All these guys have these types of

623
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great plays in mind and these philosophies. I want to know how you're going

624
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to make a young team better.
I think that has to be one of

625
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:30.480
the number one in one of your
top five questions to these candidates. How

626
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:34.639
are you going to make how are
you going to get the most out of

627
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:38.199
our young core? And then you
can talk about, obviously, who do

628
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you see as a member of this
young core? What could we get?

629
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Where's your vision of this guy playing
where and so on and so forth.

630
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But overall, you've got to find
a way to make some of the young

631
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guys better on this team, because
unless you pull off some type of massive

632
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trade, who knows what you would
get in return, but you're going to

633
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have to settle and understand that you're
going to develop a team if you want

634
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to build this for the long haul, like the Lions have done, like

635
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:15.280
Steve Eisman is trying to do,
and like the Tigers are attempting to do

636
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as well, even though it's not
going real well. You're going to have

637
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:27.960
to develop young players. You got
to understand that you're coming into a situation

638
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where these guys do not have a
lot of experience, and they have a

639
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:36.639
lot of losing experience. You changing
the culture might be a little drastic,

640
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:43.199
but when you've won seventeen games one
year, fourteen games the next, you've

641
01:01:43.239 --> 01:01:46.679
been on that type of in that
type of situation, you are saddled with

642
01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:53.639
constant losing. You're saddled with you've
won thirty one games in the last two

643
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years. That is not something that
any coach, any front office expects his

644
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team, you know, to deal
with and handle. Think about that for

645
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a second. Boston Celtics this year. Have they won more home games this

646
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season then the Pistons won total in
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647
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types of stark realities need to be
emphasized and need to understand this is why

648
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the young guys, they've gone through
a lot of growing pains. How are

649
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680
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We don't need a bunch of cats
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681
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I look good. I got my
extra bands on, I got my other

682
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shoes. Be a doll. We
don't need no meals. We don't need

683
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no cats. We need more dolls. The time, ah yo done.

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At the time we weren't good.
There's no sense asking me things about the

685
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game. I'm telling you we laid
an egg. So I'm not going to

686
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break it down for you. He
sucks. He sucked. He laid an

687
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egg. That's all I have to
say. Guys, I'm sorry. I'm

688
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not going to break it down for
you. Nothing went well for us.

689
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It's on us. We have to
figure it out, and we went.

690
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Yo. Dad, such a great
song man. It really is. Iron

691
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Maiden. Jump on that before we
get into the gym. Eight o'clock here

692
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on a Friday, Glad you're with
us, Exus and Bros. The month

693
01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:57.800
of June flying by Tigers with showtime
tonight against the Chicago White Sox. It's

694
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the first of a weekends. It
doesn't generate a ton of interest, at

695
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:12.280
least to me. I love baseball. You know, there are certain matchups

696
01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:15.400
I think one of the beauties of
baseball. You don't need to be at

697
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:21.000
thirteen to twelve game to be entertaining. But these two teams are just not

698
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:27.559
in good places right now. Maybe
just maybe something like this. You win

699
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:32.239
a series if you're Detroit, and
it sparks something. I've said this for

700
01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:39.199
a while now, though, I've
said, look, this team, even

701
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:42.400
if you beat Chicago at a series, it's not going to matter to your

702
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:49.320
fan base. Beating a team that's
got twenty wins seven road wins is among

703
01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:54.880
the worst in baseball in every category, does not matter. It may have

704
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.000
mattered to you at the beginning of
the year when you swept them. Remember

705
01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:00.840
you're in Chicago. You open the
season there, you win one nothing Trek

706
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:05.840
Schouble, fantastic. Then you win
a ten inning affair, and then you

707
01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:10.800
win a tight game three, two, and then you shut them out or

708
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:12.559
no, that was it just the
three games, right, Yeah, it

709
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:17.960
was just the three games. Maybe
that that generated something for you because you

710
01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:19.880
felt really good about it. You
know, hey, man, it's a

711
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:23.800
new season. Look at the way
we start. You don't know what Chicago

712
01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:27.880
is all about yet, and it
doesn't really matter. It didn't matter if

713
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.079
I'd have told you, hey,
Chicago had twenty wins, you know,

714
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:33.960
at the close to the midway point, but you beat them, would you

715
01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:36.840
hang your hat on that, You
wouldn't care. You wouldn't care because at

716
01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:44.360
the beginning of the year and spring
is about to start and you're all fired

717
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:49.159
up for a season that you think
is going to be really good. And

718
01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:55.559
now in June, that same team
you're facing, even if you sweep them,

719
01:07:55.760 --> 01:08:01.320
you don't care at all because it
doesn't prove anything because you're supposed to

720
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:05.119
do it. Now. The team
that comes in afterwards, that's a different

721
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:11.039
story. That's Philadelphia. You beat
that team in a series, then you

722
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:14.199
feel like you got some hope because
then you go to Los Angeles and the

723
01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:16.479
Angels aren't very good, and then
you've got some You know, you've got

724
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:18.920
a lot of teams in the division. If you want to look for a

725
01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:24.119
if you look at a glass half
full, if you're a very optimistic person,

726
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:29.920
and I hope you are, the
good news is that you play teams

727
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:38.279
within your division a lot coming up
because you got Minnesota, then you're at

728
01:08:38.439 --> 01:08:43.319
Cincinnati, but then you're home to
Cleveland, all right, So there's there's

729
01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:50.479
some reason for optimism if you can
get something generated. But that's the question,

730
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:57.439
can you get something generated? So
we're going to dive into that here.

731
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:03.159
Because the Twitter went nuts even on
a day off. It doesn't take

732
01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:11.399
much. It does not take much. You get comments like, how are

733
01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:17.840
things gonna change? This person's phrase, pizza boy Chris Ilog dipping into his

734
01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:21.439
pocket to spend money on the field
instead of bling. See what I mean?

735
01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:29.680
Communications is really important. I mean
you've got to have a pulse on

736
01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:36.119
things. We always use this in
politics, gauge the temperature of the room.

737
01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:42.880
It's no different in sports man.
You're gonna sit here and promote things

738
01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:47.520
that people don't care about. And
how are you that separated? I've always

739
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:50.000
asked this, Ask a politician.
How much is a loaf of bread?

740
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:55.760
How much is a half gallon of
milk? How much is gonna cost you

741
01:09:56.479 --> 01:10:00.560
to buy butter? That's the supermarket. The know because they don't do it

742
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:06.560
right. You and I do it. We're there, we're experiencing it.

743
01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:13.119
Talk to the people who run these
organizations or at least their communications or whatever,

744
01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:15.920
and say to them, what do
you think the most important thing you

745
01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:24.560
want to get across to your fan
base right now is new seats bringing in

746
01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:32.479
a wall. M No, it's
not. It's what players are we going

747
01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:45.560
to get to make us better?
Period. They don't wear jerseys in a

748
01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:49.560
ballpark that says we move the fences
in. They wear jerseys of players.

749
01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:59.960
They want rings, they want excitement, they want captivation not being provided.

750
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:05.640
Another guy writes, who among us
could not have known that Mark Cannon and

751
01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:14.159
Geo Orchella wouldn't turn this thing around? Exactly? I'm not saying I'm the

752
01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:18.279
only one here, but when those
signings were announced, I'm like, okay,

753
01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:26.640
whatever, what are you doing to
make this team considerably better? Whatever?

754
01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:32.720
Go ahead? Just I mean,
feel good about it. You're gonna

755
01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:34.680
be the smartest guy in the room. And says, see, you didn't

756
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:40.840
know, but I knew Geo Orchilla
and Mark Cannon we're going to lead this

757
01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:48.000
team to a division championship. Oops. Somebody tweeted, should your hitting coach

758
01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:56.000
be a psychologist? Team hitting is
terrible? Starting pitching is gonna make up

759
01:11:56.039 --> 01:12:00.960
for some nice pickups for other teams. In other words, why get excited

760
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.920
about certain guys knowing that they're going
to be traded because it's going to be

761
01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:13.039
a long summer? Somebody else on
X Scott Harris should be a director of

762
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.640
something, but he's not a GM. He's trade Some free agent signings have

763
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:19.399
been no better than a vila somebody
else, joke of an organization sadly haven't

764
01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:27.600
been serious about winning in a decade. And then you've get the typical why

765
01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:30.880
do you extend Hinch? How about
firing Scott Harris? I mean, Scott

766
01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:33.800
Harris hasn't been at that long.
You fire him? Come on, give

767
01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:40.319
me a break. Some of my
favorites, though, are kind of like

768
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:45.239
the overreactions, the people who want
to take drastic action, like this guy.

769
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:50.399
Time for Harris to blow it up. Blow it up? Got a

770
01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:53.359
lot of young guys. Are you
going to blow up? He says?

771
01:12:53.520 --> 01:13:00.279
Keep Green, Olsen, Carpenter,
Keith Brisky, trade everyone else. That's

772
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:10.119
really drastic. That's a that's emotional, isn't it? Another guy says,

773
01:13:10.119 --> 01:13:18.119
build around Riley Green. Managing is
terrible. This is where you're losing people.

774
01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:24.720
How about this one? Call up
Meadows, send down Bado call up

775
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Leonard, send down Kreidler, activate
fay Ato, send down Angler. Yeah,

776
01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:35.960
Mason Engler's not a he's not a
guy long term for you and a

777
01:13:36.079 --> 01:13:42.680
kill bad. Have you not seen
enough of him? You know what he's

778
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:46.119
supposed to do. He's supposed to
provide you with speed on the base paths.

779
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:51.600
He wants to be hitting homers.
And it's a that's not your skill

780
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set, man. And what's even
worse, is it he just hasn't gotten

781
01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:00.439
better. You're all fired up.
There's a rule five and you got him

782
01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:03.439
and it's a former second round pig
Minnesota and all this other stuff. Guess

783
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what. There's a reason they let
him go. Not a major league every

784
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day player. He's just not this
guy, says Look. Meeting moves call

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up young, Tor Comeados, Jettison, McKinstry. But do and Justin Henry

786
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Malloy. Move Keith the third base, play young at second base, play

787
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Torkosen every day. See what you
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788
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to give up on Justin Henry malloy. He's only twenty four years old.

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right. Welcome back. It's nineteen
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We're with you Monday through Friday,
six until nine. Before we get

833
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to the phone calls and some tech. Just real quick, somebody regarding we

834
01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:09.439
were talking about the various the overriding
thoughts from people about the Tigers. Right

835
01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:13.720
now, here's what they're here.
Here's the biggest problem that this organization has

836
01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:17.800
right now. They are viewed as
cheap. Whether you think they are or

837
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:21.520
not, this is how they're viewed. They're viewed as cheap, and they're

838
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viewed like they are they don't care. I know that's not the case,

839
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:32.640
but that's what people view it as. Bad team, little talent, don't

840
01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:38.720
care about winning. Okay, this
offense stinks. Do something. Why don't

841
01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:44.000
you do anything? You're limited during
the season. But before the season,

842
01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:48.960
everybody knew what this team needed and
it wasn't addressed. That's where they fall

843
01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:56.159
into trouble. Phone number on the
Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight three eight

844
01:18:57.039 --> 01:19:00.760
forty eight forty three. You can
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845
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:01.960
Ben. Who's on the line for
us? Yeah, we got Maury

846
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and Grand Rapids. Maury, thanks
for listening on ninety six point one FM

847
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:11.479
the game. How you doing.
I'm doing great, man, Thanks for

848
01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:16.319
taking the call. Ye appreciate placing
it. Hey just a little baseball perspective.

849
01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:19.760
I just caught the tail end of
your last segment. I haven't,

850
01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:28.199
that's it. But you got me
thinking about the perspective on some of our

851
01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:34.119
guys, like cold Keith for example, Like from here, from a longtime

852
01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:39.960
fans perspective, this is how I
see it, and I make a comparison.

853
01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:44.760
And you could say this about col
Keith or whoever, insert any name

854
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:49.840
that you choose. Sure, but
go back with me and remember when when

855
01:19:49.960 --> 01:19:55.800
JD Martinez the Tigers tried to acquire
JD Martinez. And if I'm wrong,

856
01:19:55.960 --> 01:19:58.840
Chef, correct me, because I'm
just going by trying to remember the whole

857
01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:01.600
deal. Yeah, it's okay.
Didn't they try to acquire him and failed

858
01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:04.359
and then got him for nothing when
he was released? Is that how it

859
01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:10.720
went? I don't. I didn't
think they tried to acquire him, but

860
01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:15.359
maybe part of a deal or something
and it and it fell apart. It

861
01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:18.760
wasn't just exactly him, Hey give
us a JDA and it didn't work out.

862
01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:24.800
But from Houston, you're you're saying
from Houston. You're saying from Houston,

863
01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:27.920
right, You're saying, originally they
tried to acquire him from Houston.

864
01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:32.399
I don't recall that okay, okay, Well, well here's what I'm getting

865
01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:38.920
to. The Tigers saw something in
JD. Martinez to acquire the guy,

866
01:20:39.079 --> 01:20:45.119
or when he was released, they
got him for nothing. So they saw

867
01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:48.199
something in this dude, and they
bring him in and and and look what

868
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:54.600
he became and and and when you
see something in a guy, uh,

869
01:20:54.760 --> 01:20:57.720
and he was picked up from somebody
else who said, I don't see it

870
01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:03.039
right, and you are willing to
take some time and it you know,

871
01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:08.399
it pans out once in a while. But and this isn't lost on me

872
01:21:08.520 --> 01:21:12.039
either, chef that he also came
to a team within his prime, Miguel

873
01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:15.920
Cabrera, Victor Martinez, who else
was a part of line? I mean,

874
01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:19.680
it was an awesome team. My
point is the guy had pros around

875
01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:24.800
him, he learned and became great. And who are these guys going to

876
01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:28.640
learn from? And the current roster
nobody you know in house right now.

877
01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:32.039
So but it's just all food for
thought. On man, I'd hate to

878
01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:38.319
see somebody leave Detroit and go become
you know, even Isaac Peadez and you

879
01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:41.760
know, not that he's great,
but he was a whole lot better away

880
01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:45.359
from Detroit than he was here.
Yeah, there's no doubt about that.

881
01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:48.880
He's still you know, swings and
missus quite a bit, but yeah,

882
01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:53.640
he's you'd take him on your team
right now. It's a great point about

883
01:21:53.720 --> 01:21:56.800
J. D. Martinez, and
I'm glad you prefaced it by saying,

884
01:21:56.840 --> 01:22:00.760
look, he did join a team
that had a lot of veterans who helped

885
01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:02.039
him. He was put in a
position. I mean, hell, the

886
01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:05.319
year after they acquired him, he
was an All Star. He's an All

887
01:22:05.359 --> 01:22:11.119
Star in twenty fifteen. So it's
an excellent point. I guess if I

888
01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:15.960
were to defend the Tigers, and
it's hard to do that, but using

889
01:22:15.199 --> 01:22:20.720
your logic, and it's great logic
because I'm lockstep with you, Mark Kenni's

890
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:27.479
at ten year veteran. How come
they're not learning from him? Why is

891
01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:30.720
it that we were only using Like
I would use Miguel Cabrera as an example

892
01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:35.000
for JAD Martinez and he said I
learned a lot from him. Go Orchella

893
01:22:35.319 --> 01:22:41.119
has been around for nine years.
I mean, how many years is enough?

894
01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:44.439
Not that they're the same quality of
player as Miguel Cabrera, because you

895
01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:47.760
and I both know they're not,
but they are veterans who you would think

896
01:22:48.199 --> 01:22:55.479
could help nurture some of the younger
players along. Javier Baiez is another guy.

897
01:22:55.600 --> 01:22:58.640
Carson Kelly's another guy. We're not
full of. As you know,

898
01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:03.640
we're not full of second your players
here. How come those guys aren't aiding

899
01:23:04.439 --> 01:23:09.520
in the progression of some of the
younger players. Why do you think that

900
01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:15.399
is? I'll tell you exactly why
I think it is because, especially in

901
01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:20.000
baseball, man, the human dynamic, the relationships that exist. I mean,

902
01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:26.079
they're more of a family throughout a
year than they are with their own

903
01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:30.479
families. I'll at least submit that
perspective. And when you have guys like

904
01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:35.640
Miguel who everybody loved, who he
grant, you know, the dude was

905
01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:39.079
who he was. I mean,
I felt like I knew the guy personally.

906
01:23:39.119 --> 01:23:42.960
I never met him, you know
what I mean. In the dynamic

907
01:23:43.079 --> 01:23:46.640
of the clubhouse and inner, you
know, connections with other guys, man,

908
01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:51.479
it's huge. It doesn't just happen
because the components there. There Hey

909
01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:55.840
potential, you know in this rookie
and here's a ten year vet man.

910
01:23:55.920 --> 01:23:58.479
I mean, come on and pour
into him, dude. If it worn't

911
01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:00.920
that way, we'd all be a
whole lot better in life, you know

912
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:03.720
what I mean. So it's not
as simple as that. And I don't

913
01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:06.479
think I don't think Detroit has it
on a lot of levels right now.

914
01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:10.640
I think you got a lot of
young guys trying to figure it out and

915
01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:13.199
a lot of guys scratching their head, going where am I going to play

916
01:24:13.239 --> 01:24:15.960
next year? Yeah, I'm not
sure I could say it much better.

917
01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:18.760
I think it's an excellent point.
And I appreciate the phone call. Have

918
01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:24.279
a great weekend. It's a great
jumping off point for or continuing this discussion.

919
01:24:25.119 --> 01:24:27.520
You know, the Kaberra thing.
I don't know how you felt like

920
01:24:27.560 --> 01:24:30.720
you knew him. We showed a
lot of pictures of him. He didn't

921
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:34.880
talk much. He smiled a lot
when he was on the field to play,

922
01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:39.279
and that's great. He seemed like
he loved the game. That was

923
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:42.600
fantastic, and he was you know, he's a Hall of Fame player.

924
01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:47.960
So all those things help. But
to your point, and it's it's an

925
01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:54.439
excellent point, JD. Martinez.
Not that we expect any of these players

926
01:24:54.479 --> 01:25:00.600
to be JD Martinez, but JD
Martinez comes to Detroit, this situation is

927
01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:04.119
very beneficial to him. When you're
playing with Cabrera, and you're playing with

928
01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:11.840
Victor Martinez, and you're playing with
you know, Ian Kinsler. He was

929
01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:17.800
part of that team, right.
James McCann was relatively young, third base,

930
01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:24.880
Nick Castianos relatively young. Alex Savila
was part of the Raj Davis.

931
01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:27.279
Raj Davis was part of that team. I don't think he started all the

932
01:25:27.319 --> 01:25:30.319
time, but he was part of
that team. My point is, those

933
01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:39.680
guys help the transition of a young
player into a young major league player.

934
01:25:40.039 --> 01:25:44.119
I don't think it's just young player
veteran. I think you're a young player.

935
01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:46.520
I think you're a young major league
player. Then I think you become

936
01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:51.640
a veteran. There's a difference.
Okay, cole keis a young player right

937
01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:56.319
now. He's not a young major
league player. Young major league player is

938
01:25:56.640 --> 01:26:02.279
Riley Green? Okay, So I
think all that helps. Detroit doesn't have

939
01:26:02.439 --> 01:26:06.399
that guy to transition them. Like
you said, Mark Canner, Geo Orchella,

940
01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:12.199
they're both one year guys. See
ya. Those guys in that clubhouse,

941
01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:15.319
they know they're gone. The dynamic
is a good point too. But

942
01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:18.720
I think the dynamic is good.
I do believe it or not. I

943
01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:23.560
mean, being around those guys how
much they like one another. We'll get

944
01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:25.880
more into that on the other side. And plus we got some text coming

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996
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I know we got some techs fire
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997
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one. It says uh, this
says one is about the Tigers. That

998
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said would core players be re signed
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999
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And would the core players want to
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1000
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not sure what you mean by the
first part. When free agents sign,

1001
01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:06.600
are the core players going to be
there? Do you think there is a

1002
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time for an organization where they're going
to start bringing in free agents based on

1003
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how ready the youth is to win? If you believe that, you have

1004
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to ask yourself when is this core
ready to win? It's that chicken or

1005
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the egg type situation. It really
is because you need the veterans, you

1006
01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:39.720
need some of those free agents to
help the core along. I know free

1007
01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:44.560
agent classes are different. Don't tell
me you couldn't have done more than what

1008
01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:49.479
you did this year. You didn't
do enough. It's as simple as that,

1009
01:31:51.560 --> 01:31:55.760
you've had one guy work out pretty
well for you. Actually, Urschelle

1010
01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:58.520
has been okay, Canna or at
the beginning of the year. I mean,

1011
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:02.279
when guys have been around. Here's
the thing about free agency. When

1012
01:32:02.319 --> 01:32:05.199
guys have been around, they're nine, ten years deep into their career,

1013
01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:10.119
you kind of know who they are. I think it's really we don't know

1014
01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:15.600
who Cole Keith is yet right his
first year. We're not even sure who

1015
01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:19.640
Carry Carpenter is just yet. We
don't have a full book on Wensil Perez

1016
01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:25.560
and certain guys Mark Canna, Geo
Rochella. You got a pretty good idea

1017
01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:28.960
of who they are. Do you
think, Carson Kelly, are they going

1018
01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:35.760
to really exceed your expectations? Is
water going to find its level? I

1019
01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:44.159
would think so, Okay, I
don't. That's why I was less than

1020
01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:47.840
I sure wasn't overwhelmed. I was
less than impressed with what they did in

1021
01:32:47.880 --> 01:32:54.319
the offseason. And it's nothing against
certain guys, but Mark Kenna is exactly

1022
01:32:54.359 --> 01:33:00.840
who I thought he was going to
be. He's giving you pretty much what

1023
01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:05.880
you thought you were going to get. Right as a career, He's a

1024
01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:14.000
two point fifty hitter. As a
career, he averages about nineteen bombs a

1025
01:33:14.079 --> 01:33:18.439
season, and that's with two really
good years. Twenty six home runs one

1026
01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:24.239
year and seventeen another in Oakland.
Those aren't really good years, and one

1027
01:33:24.319 --> 01:33:29.960
is a really good year. What's
he hitting, folks? He's in two

1028
01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:32.800
forty six and he's got six home
runs. I mean, did you bring

1029
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:36.479
him aboard to be a home run
hitter? No, he's not a home

1030
01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:41.199
run hitter. He's only done that
once in his career and it was in

1031
01:33:41.239 --> 01:33:53.399
twenty nineteen, So why are you
expecting anything different? His season best in

1032
01:33:53.560 --> 01:34:00.159
batting average was twenty nineteen when he
hit two seventy three. So let me

1033
01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:04.119
just this is what I mean about
expectations. What did you think was going

1034
01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:11.319
to happen? Did you think he
was going to suddenly turn into the JD.

1035
01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:16.199
Martinez of twenty sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen years like that? No,

1036
01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:24.039
he wasn't. Who's g You or
Schella. Folks, you lacked power.

1037
01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:30.079
I really didn't want to get into
this. I mean because I feel like

1038
01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:33.159
sometimes people are listening to the show
and it's like Shell, all you do

1039
01:34:33.319 --> 01:34:36.840
is complain about, you know,
the Tigers and what's going on, and

1040
01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:43.479
I don't. I don't want people's
Friday. I don't want their their start

1041
01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:47.720
to the weekend be like this.
I'm sorry, but I can't help it

1042
01:34:47.840 --> 01:34:54.239
when somebody brings it up. This
team lacked power from a year ago.

1043
01:34:54.399 --> 01:34:58.840
You and I both know that.
This is what we said. They ranked

1044
01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:01.840
twenty fourth in home run a year
ago. They had one hundred and sixty

1045
01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:08.640
five homers. Okay, they're ops. This is what the front office is

1046
01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:13.039
married to. Oh we're all about
ops. Okay, you were third last

1047
01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:17.359
in OPS on base plus slugging.
Only the White Sox and Athletics were worse

1048
01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:23.079
a year ago. And what did
you do? You went out and signed

1049
01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:28.720
a guy who who's not a home
run hitter in Markkanna. And you signed

1050
01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:33.640
a guy in Gio Orchella, who
has what sixty six homers in his career,

1051
01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:41.359
He's only hit fifteen or more once. What did you think was going

1052
01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:48.279
to happen. You needed Carpenter,
you needed Green, you needed Torkolsen to

1053
01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:53.720
provide power. Carpenter has been hurt, Green's done it. Torkolsen's down in

1054
01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:59.960
the miners. There. It isn't
a nutshell. So when when we say

1055
01:36:00.279 --> 01:36:02.680
in the offseason, this team's got
to go get this type of player,

1056
01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:06.640
there's no perfect player out there.
They're not getting Bryce Harper, right,

1057
01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:10.119
they're not getting show Heyo, Tony. But they need this type of player.

1058
01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:15.039
What do they do they get anything
but that type of player. Now,

1059
01:36:15.319 --> 01:36:19.640
what are you staring at the same
bag of crap that you had a

1060
01:36:19.760 --> 01:36:29.880
year ago? No, power can't
be surprised, you cannot be stunned by

1061
01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:32.640
this. Let's go to the phone
lines, the Meyer hotline eight six six

1062
01:36:32.720 --> 01:36:35.880
eight three eight forty forty three.
Ben, who's up? Yeah, we

1063
01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:40.279
got truck or B listening on ninety
six point one. Hey, truck or

1064
01:36:40.319 --> 01:36:44.840
B? How are you, buddy? Goohod? How are you all right?

1065
01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:49.399
What if all make I'm gonna go
back a little bit here. Good,

1066
01:36:50.000 --> 01:36:54.319
Well, make another jump start like
we did with Punch. Make a

1067
01:36:54.399 --> 01:36:58.880
signing like that, because that's when
it all began last time, and all

1068
01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:02.640
of a sudden you're starting to develop
more and Pudge is a leader, and

1069
01:37:02.760 --> 01:37:08.399
then all of a sudden you're making
these signings in these trades and give mcgallan

1070
01:37:08.600 --> 01:37:15.520
and would that help out? I
mean, something's gotta be done. That's

1071
01:37:15.560 --> 01:37:17.359
the only thing I can think of. And that's how have worked the lifest

1072
01:37:17.439 --> 01:37:21.159
time. If you can make a
signing like you did with pud Rodrigez,

1073
01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:29.039
Uh, really good point. I
would just remind people. I think pudg

1074
01:37:29.159 --> 01:37:33.039
Rodriguez. I don't think it changed
until Jim Leland got there with pud Rodriguez,

1075
01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:38.560
Like we look at players who are
all stars in Hall of Famers,

1076
01:37:38.840 --> 01:37:42.560
and he is, and we view
them as leaders. He was a terrible

1077
01:37:42.640 --> 01:37:47.960
leader when he first got here.
He sucked quite honestly. Alan Trammell was

1078
01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:55.039
the manager and pud Rodriguez did things
to I don't want to say undermine him,

1079
01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:59.920
but he sure didn't show him the
respect that he deserved as his man.

1080
01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:03.680
So I don't think he was a
very good leader when he started.

1081
01:38:03.720 --> 01:38:09.840
When Jim Leland came in and shut
the door after pud Rodriguez showed up a

1082
01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:13.239
third base coach, Jim Leland came
in, shut the damn door to the

1083
01:38:13.239 --> 01:38:16.439
clubhouse and said, you're not going
to do that here. That's not how

1084
01:38:16.560 --> 01:38:25.239
this works. Get on board.
There's a famous video of Leland and Barry

1085
01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:30.079
Bonds down in Pittsburgh. Jim Leland, this is my team. You don't

1086
01:38:30.199 --> 01:38:34.279
like it, get the hell out. You're not go look it up on

1087
01:38:34.399 --> 01:38:42.600
YouTube. It's famous. It's phenomenal. Jim Leland did something less public but

1088
01:38:42.840 --> 01:38:47.279
more just as effective with Pud Rodriguez. But I think your point is a

1089
01:38:47.319 --> 01:38:51.800
good one, Trucker be it's you
need somebody. Remember when he came here.

1090
01:38:53.399 --> 01:39:00.680
He's thirty two years old or so, and he wasn't getting a lot

1091
01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:05.079
of feelers out there when he left
Florida, which is a little surprising because

1092
01:39:05.880 --> 01:39:10.960
you know, two ninety seven,
sixteen bombs and stuff like that. Yeah,

1093
01:39:11.079 --> 01:39:15.239
but that changed a lot for the
Tigers, There's no doubt about that.

1094
01:39:17.159 --> 01:39:26.840
What you have to ask yourself is
who the player is now? Who

1095
01:39:26.920 --> 01:39:35.399
could fill that role? What's that
void? The guy who has been there,

1096
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:42.000
done that? Right? Who is
it? I don't know about it?

1097
01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:45.359
Who's been never done that? I
should love that with on this team?

1098
01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:49.640
Well, who wouldn't. But he
just signed a massive deal in Kansas

1099
01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:53.800
City, and you know, I
mean he's the he's the core of their

1100
01:39:53.840 --> 01:39:58.159
team. Look, I'm with you
one hundred percent there. This goes back

1101
01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:00.800
to drafting and developing. You mentioned
Wit. You know what, I immediately

1102
01:40:00.840 --> 01:40:05.600
think of Jordan Lawler? Okay,
and you're probably like, who the hell

1103
01:40:05.640 --> 01:40:13.920
is Jordan Lawler. Jordan Lawler was
taken behind Jackson Job as a shortstop.

1104
01:40:15.119 --> 01:40:18.720
And if you're looking at shortstops to
build around, Bobby Witt is number one,

1105
01:40:19.479 --> 01:40:30.680
Jordan Lawler's in the top five.
Marcelo Mayer good young player. Tiger's

1106
01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:33.800
had a chance to draft him.
They drafted Jackson Job. This is what

1107
01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:42.479
I mean about having a plan and
drafting and developing. Everybody has different philosophies.

1108
01:40:42.640 --> 01:40:45.800
I'm not saying my philosophy is always
right. Who's the last All Star

1109
01:40:46.359 --> 01:40:53.920
you drafted and developed? Alex Savila
before that, Curtis Granderson. Who's the

1110
01:40:54.000 --> 01:41:00.479
last infielder you drafted and developed?
Think about it for a moment. Give

1111
01:41:00.520 --> 01:41:06.680
me the last Tigers All Star you
drafted and developed? Go that Trammel,

1112
01:41:08.920 --> 01:41:14.439
Travis Fryman, That Travis Fryman.
I want you to think about that for

1113
01:41:14.520 --> 01:41:17.439
a minute. Night's good player.
You'd take. You take Travis Freyman,

1114
01:41:17.479 --> 01:41:20.479
and you're your on your team today
for sure. But think about that.

1115
01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:26.000
That's how bad it has been for
this for this franchise. I know,

1116
01:41:27.399 --> 01:41:30.720
like we we rip on track,
we rip on the Lions, and and

1117
01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:32.439
for good reason, for all the
things that they've done wrong and so on

1118
01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:35.880
and so forth. What if the
Tiger's done? I mean, think about

1119
01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:43.640
that. Nineteen ninety six, Travis
Fryman was an all star, drafted developed.

1120
01:41:43.880 --> 01:41:47.239
Tigers used a draft pick to get
him right first round, thirtieth overall,

1121
01:41:47.920 --> 01:41:53.399
draft him out of high school back
in nineteen eighty seven. He becomes

1122
01:41:53.960 --> 01:42:00.399
an All Star for Detroit four times
over. But he's the last guy from

1123
01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:02.640
an infield standpoint, that you drafted
and developed. Don't don't give me Jose

1124
01:42:02.800 --> 01:42:08.159
Iglesias and some of these other guys
he didn't draft him. I'm talking about

1125
01:42:08.199 --> 01:42:12.800
from an infield, shortstops the most
important outside of catcher, most important position

1126
01:42:12.920 --> 01:42:17.760
on the field. Oh, you
got the middle right, got your shortstop,

1127
01:42:17.840 --> 01:42:21.640
center field? Yeah you have to
have that. Yeah, but your

1128
01:42:21.680 --> 01:42:28.199
shortstops the guy. Think about that
now. My question is, then,

1129
01:42:28.880 --> 01:42:34.159
is you have someone I always was
wondering, like Igor Larriana or not even

1130
01:42:34.880 --> 01:42:42.760
Cabrera. Why why can't we get
someone get them? And I know Cabrera

1131
01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:47.000
is still in the organization, but
with his knowledge and the way people look

1132
01:42:47.119 --> 01:42:50.920
up to him, why can't you
make him like the assistant hitting coach or

1133
01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:56.920
something like that? First of all, was probably had boats too. Yeah,

1134
01:42:56.920 --> 01:43:01.359
well, well, first of all, you know that not and thanks

1135
01:43:01.359 --> 01:43:04.079
for the phone call. Have a
great weekend. You know this. Not

1136
01:43:04.399 --> 01:43:10.359
all great players make great coaches.
You know, Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas,

1137
01:43:10.600 --> 01:43:12.920
Wayne Gretzky. We can go on
and on and on. Okay,

1138
01:43:13.319 --> 01:43:17.479
guys can be coaches. But there
are great players, and those are iconic

1139
01:43:17.520 --> 01:43:20.319
players I just mentioned. They were
not very good coaches, were they?

1140
01:43:21.159 --> 01:43:27.159
No? Whatever reason? For whatever
reason, Why is it so many players

1141
01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:30.760
or ex players or guys who didn't
make it are the best coaches and or

1142
01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:35.039
managers? Why is Jim Leland such
a great manager? He's gonna he's a

1143
01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:40.439
Hall of Fame manager. Do you
remember him playing in Major League Baseball?

1144
01:43:40.600 --> 01:43:45.359
You do not. Dave Roberts was
a decent player, and he's probably the

1145
01:43:45.760 --> 01:43:49.399
Kevin Cash. Eh. You know
the guys they bring up, where were

1146
01:43:49.479 --> 01:43:58.439
they? Were they great players?
Absolutely? Not who's the greatest hockey coach

1147
01:43:58.479 --> 01:44:02.279
in the history of the sports Scottie
Bowen not an NHL player. But to

1148
01:44:02.399 --> 01:44:05.520
your point, Migul Carbret, first
of all, is still with the organization.

1149
01:44:06.279 --> 01:44:11.079
And I mean that's that's primarily a
name. Okay, let's be real.

1150
01:44:11.600 --> 01:44:15.479
It's not like he's doing due diligence
every single day, right. He's

1151
01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:19.439
not Alan Trammel. Alan Trample is
down in Erie. He's down in Lakeland.

1152
01:44:19.720 --> 01:44:24.760
He's in West Michigan. He's a
Toledo. He's gauging how guys are

1153
01:44:24.800 --> 01:44:30.359
developing for minor league infielders and whether
or not they're gonna be good enough and

1154
01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:34.359
what they need to do. He's
vested. He's in spring training, fielding

1155
01:44:34.439 --> 01:44:39.680
ground balls, hitting ground balls,
watching film with guys. I mean he

1156
01:44:39.840 --> 01:44:43.119
is knee deep in it. There's
nobody like it with like Alan Trammil.

1157
01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:48.319
That's not Miguel Cabrera. That's number
one. Number two. You're gonna make

1158
01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:55.920
an assistant hitting coach answer me to
this. Truckerby he was here for years,

1159
01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:58.560
right, and he was with this
group for the last couple of years.

1160
01:44:58.920 --> 01:45:01.720
This group struggled. They had a
chance to watch him. It was

1161
01:45:01.840 --> 01:45:05.640
better watching him as a player getting
ready for game after game than it would

1162
01:45:05.640 --> 01:45:12.640
be as a coach. Did it
matter? It did not, So that's

1163
01:45:15.560 --> 01:45:19.399
I think it's talent. Man,
it sounds too simplistic, but I think

1164
01:45:19.399 --> 01:45:28.159
it's talent. Now, who are
the free agents? It's so sad that,

1165
01:45:28.560 --> 01:45:30.600
you know, we've got to look
at it in this sense. You

1166
01:45:30.680 --> 01:45:33.239
know, it's it's really not fair
to you as a fan because the season

1167
01:45:33.319 --> 01:45:36.039
is not even halfway over, and
I don't necessarily want to do that,

1168
01:45:38.319 --> 01:45:41.159
But at some point you and I
are going to have a conversation and we're

1169
01:45:41.159 --> 01:45:45.039
going to say, all right,
who's the free agent you want? Who's

1170
01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:47.840
the guy not pitching wise? Okay, who's the guy who's going to add

1171
01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:50.680
some pop? Who's the guy who's
going to bring you something? Is it

1172
01:45:50.760 --> 01:45:57.279
Pete Alonzo? For example? Somebody
has said Alex Bregman, Right, A

1173
01:45:57.319 --> 01:46:01.239
lot depends on the amount of money
you're willing to give. A lot depends

1174
01:46:01.279 --> 01:46:06.479
on how they're going to fit into
your room. Both you would think would

1175
01:46:06.520 --> 01:46:13.880
fit into your room and do it
nicely. That's a discussion for a different

1176
01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:16.800
day. But those are the types
of numbers, like if Pete A.

1177
01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:20.640
Lonso is a guy those types of
that type of offense, that type of

1178
01:46:20.720 --> 01:46:26.640
scary bat in the middle of the
linement is exactly what you need. Then

1179
01:46:26.680 --> 01:46:29.399
the question is are you going to
spend the money? Great calls today,

1180
01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:32.600
Really appreciate it and really appreciate the
text as well. And thanks to Ben

1181
01:46:32.640 --> 01:46:36.520
our producer. We're back with you
on Monday morning. Have a great weekend,

1182
01:46:36.560 --> 01:46:40.399
everybody. Don't forget the Huge Show
later on today three to six,

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01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:44.880
the rest of your Friday and the
entire weekend. I hope it goes well

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of Flying Ace Whiskey and also Flying Ace

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Whiskey has put up four scholarships for
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American made whiskey taken a lot of
pride in America. Look fort in stores

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and pubs all across Michigan. Thanks
for coming with me to my art.

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Absolutely, I'll take one of you. During the Meyer seven for seven dollars

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sale, mixer match hundreds of items
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pick any seven or more. We
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grill, Howard Sports drinks for warm
days, to buy Greek yogurt, and

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Meyer Central paper towels on it and
an extra court what life, Well,

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it's only one dollar each. We're
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seven for seven dollars sale at Mere
in pages one dollar each when you mix

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or match any seven or more.
Exclusions apply. See all deals in the

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Myer app Bill Simonson here for roast
Umber coffee, it's a farm direct coffee

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source from Central American farmers and roasted
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is a convenient and healthy option with
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want a great coffee or energy drink
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day. It's available in ground or
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on the website and direct delivery to
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