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Yeah, but he's not listening the
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it's a different it's a different energy. As they say. He's not sitting

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on a New York City subway yelling
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it down. I'm trying to hear. I don't talk all the time.

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Well, fine, you do you
then you know what? Then you do

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it. My question is is our
depiction fair? I have seen the worse.

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There's nothing to offend a reasonable man. Father. The motion picture teleplay

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was respectful and exhibited tastefulness and class. And what do you think, Rabbi?

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I have been an opinion? How
does pot of a standard thing when

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he opens this thing? Hello everybody, I'm Jonah Goldber sitting in for John

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pud Hoortz, And uh, this
is an episode of glop or technically now

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just blah or glue since pod is
not here, but I am happy to

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introduce my friend and colleague Rob Long
from New York City. Hi, Rob,

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Hey, Jonah, I should say, is this like, is this

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an episode of the Glemnant? That's
right? This will also be going out

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on the on the Remnant channel,
my podcast, and uh, we can

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chop this up into like twenty seven
different martini shots, so you can little

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bit. Well, that's right,
you might have to. I would like

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to say a very warm welcome to
all our listeners and all your listeners,

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Jonah, because it's going to go. We're we're crossing the streams you're not

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supposed to do according to the Ghostbusters. But I'd also like to say it's

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very special hello to a listener that
we know is listening very tently, and

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that's John padorits Hi. John,
Hey, John, gotta keep listening to

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Gotta have AI to a transcription because
we're going to talk about you probably anyway.

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Yeah. I can't promise this is
the Actually I can promise this is

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not the last mention of John and
uh. For remnant listeners who don't know

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what glop is, how long have
we been doing glop? You know it's

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I don't know. I mean because
it started as a you me Mark Stein

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thing, Yeah, right back in
the pleistocene, exactly right. So this

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is a this is a decade at
least. Yeah, Scott Emergood or our

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trustee producer is saying about twelve years. That seems short to really. Yeah,

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Because so for people who want to
know the history of this, really,

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the genesis of it was really you, me and Mark Stein used to

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do these like night Owl, Comedy
Man, Yeah, National Review, cruises,

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right and uh, which of them
were really good? Which none of

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us are invited on it anymore,
that's right, for different reasons, for

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very different reasons, yes, and
uh. And then you and Immigrant and

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some people launched Ricochet around that period
and it became a podcast. I don't

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know what we called it with when
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know, because it wasn't glop because
and then then when Mark went on to

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different pastures, Yeah, we brought
in pod who had subbed had started doing

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the panel stuff on the cruises anyway, and for the longest time was just

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the unnamed podcast. And then I
came up with doing it as our sort

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of our initials, so we could
call it glop cultures instead of pop culture.

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Right, not clever, but it
had been well, I mean,

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it's so obvious, but it actually
I never I mean, it's one of

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those things, you know, It's
one of those things that I just never

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thought about. And I think it
was like three years later, four years

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later, Oh, glop I get
it, like pop culture right, or

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I know, I think it was
the opposite. I think I said to

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somebody like on one of our text
change, like, why are we always

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talking about pop culture so boring?
That's the name of the podcast, and

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it's just something dawned on me.
I just thought it was a funny sounding

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thing that just we just decided to
call it glop because it was such a

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weird coincidence, like turning out that
Stormy Daniels was a porn star Louke garrettic

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disease. It's just one of those
weird things that happen, those weird things

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I do. There are things like
that in my life that I just never

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ever reflected on. I just sort
of accepted and then later discovered, Oh

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I oh, I get it.
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will say glop has a listenership,
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than the remnant listenership like I will
meet. Basically, I don't think our

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listenership is particularly young. Well,
we do our best to we do our

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best to maintain that it takes war
are of pop culture podcast Yeah, I

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mean how old with the exception of
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if you did a blop bingo card. Yeah. The most frequently cited

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names and concepts, you'd how young
do you think you could be? And

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still like get like no with some
fluency. Larry Storche Forest Talker. I

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was gonna say Larry Steorge too,
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I don't know. I well,
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like for the for the for the
for the older folks. Uh, it's

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it's kind of fun to talk about
that stuff because it's like, oh yeah,

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oh yeah. But even though even
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explain it to younger people. But
we know those things from the rerun,

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so they were old when we watched
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just it's like, you know,
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time with three people they experiencing adult
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clean up after us in the bathroom. It's like the best of all possible

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worlds. We're all all we are
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move on with their lives. It's
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I think they probably is. I
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from people who like when none of
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or actress, they will stop in
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obviously way in the future. From
when to send me the answer, Grig,

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what's wrong with you? We're not
doing it now you're listening to it.

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this the best. I mean,

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I know we're getting to this metacritic
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me. The most enjoyable ors that
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fall into a vein of interesting conversation
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with pop culture or with culture or
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this one thing we suddenly remembered,
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three of us have in common that
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that in fact the listeners have in
common as well. So we didn't

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talk about this beforehand. And I
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will obviously cut this out if you
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no one will ever know I had
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I had drained and removed excellent,
excellent, and it contained the undeveloped fetus

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of the twin brother I've been hankering
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it still talk to you? No, h you me Pod and our friend

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clip as this. We had dinner
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was a great dinner, and you
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that's going on in your life that
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oh, and by the way,
it's happening, and I didn't even know

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what was happening. Oh yeah,
yeah, yeah. So you're thinking about

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going to seminary. So I had
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That was very exciting to get an
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friend of mine a while ago when
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I said, but I don't think
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I just kind of want to study
it and I have some time and

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and help. I want to write
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I want to write about this stuff, so I should learn about it.

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But I'm doing the opposite of that
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is I'm learning about something and knowing
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than what I usually do, which
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about it. Yeah, And then
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I'm going to go for the collar, because that's in the Episcopal faith,

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right, is a different, very
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is, why on earth would you
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get the collar? Because the call, oh, I was gonna be the

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fun part. And although I recognize
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to police academy not getting the badge. Yeah, like now you gotta like

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you know, now you gotta.
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the collar. You get to like
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give you a table as far as
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I say to all my friends like, if you think I'm insufferable, now

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just wait until I can say unto
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So yeah, so it's very weird. It's very strange thing. I'm not

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I'm not surprised by it, but
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it. But I'm the more I'm
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kind of fun it seems. I
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because I think I sort of you
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through college and I didn't know a
lot of people feel that way. Like,

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boy, if I can go back
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learned something. You went to that
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I went to a trade school in
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be a be even more revealed.
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Is the Yale Divinity School? Really
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said no, they did not accept
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of course they didn't. You know, for one thing, you believe

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in God and for the second thing, they probably clicked on a few links.

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don't know if that's true. Point
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interview, but question. Yeah,
you say you're not going to go for

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the collar, Like, what are
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but the extra steps are you get
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the later part of the years,
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of outside work and you try to
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an Anglican episcopal year, so that
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and then and and then you're then
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discernment has to get got to find
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I hope and the bishop, and
the bishop says, okay, go

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ahead, and then you do your
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when the fun begins. M yeah, yeah, So I know you hate

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when this happens, when people do
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a TV show for you. I'm
all ears, Okay, A somewhat looche

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irresolute, middle age Hollywood burnout with
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a sardonic eye for the ironic and
the weird, decides to go to Divinity

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School. Yeah okay, he gets
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the real twist starts running into all
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actually has to be like an exorcist. Guy. It's started because which is

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sort of the story of the Exorcist, right, the actual and the Exorcist.

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The father, the younger priest Marin
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right, right. But the younger
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He doesn't believe it's real yet.
Right, he's like a psychologist now,

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and that's it. So like that
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of being a psychologist, being like
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of a sudden, once he gets
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you're my guy to take on the
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Sam Raimi kind of like kind of
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thing weird about that is that we
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the earth is beset by demons.
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to move on to something else before
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one hundred percent. I'm with it. I mean, I you had me

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at middle aged. Thank you,
You're welcome. It's really the least I

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could do. Yeah, that is
like people say, well, well,

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are you gonna, like, are
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think I will. I think I'll
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just do it with a slightly different
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this into what I'm writing. So
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what will come out, but it'll
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And I always know my truly religious
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just don't have faith, but are
like just generally positive. That's really fascinating,

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it's really interesting. But my really
religious friends say, yeah, you're

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going to the wrong place and you're
doing it in the wrong religion, and

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they're not really very good, and
you're you're you're going to spend three years

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learning absolutely the wrong thing. If
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spend three years, and then they'll
mention some incredibly strict doctrine that they happened

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to believe that I should then become
an ordained minister in which is just not

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going to happen. The great thing
about they want to be like Robert pulling

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your own armor through the Amazon rainforest. Yeah, I'm not doing that.

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The great Episcal Church is that it's
base is essentially groovy and and uh and

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super woke. Uh. And you
get to be a right winger, which

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is nice. I get to be
yeah exactly for them, that's there.

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I'm absolutely unacceptable. But also I
just I mean, you know, so

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is part of the culture. So
like, I'm not afraid of that.

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I mean, it's not as it's
it's it's it's grounded in something which is

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more you can say for you know, journalism and entertainment. So we can

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get off this. But I just
question because I find it fascinating, and

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my wife insists that I asked you, ask you about more about it?

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Are you going to would you characterize
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and intellectual journey or faith journey?
I think it's both. I guess that's

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the right answer. Yeah, I
mean it's got to be both, right,

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I mean you why would you?
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I would characterize it as like the
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anyway, Uh, you're kind of
I'm just kind of more interested in what

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are we doing here? What we're
all doing here? And that's sort of

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where I've been led. And I've
been led you know, to AH to

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this for over you know, ten
years, and in various speeds and velocities,

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and so now I'm like, what, what, what? Why?

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Why? I mean, And I
think what for me? What what happens

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is you end up saying over and
over again. Well, I can't do

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that. I can't well that not
that, like, I can't not have

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time for that, I can't do
that. And then at some point you're

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like, wait, wait, why
don't I have time for this again?

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What? What? What? Else? But I'm you know, I'm not

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gonna. I mean, it's a
strange thing. I think when you're a

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kid, right, you spend eighteen
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learning a certain pattern, which is
I do they tell me what to do

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and I do it, and then
they give me a grade and they must

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promote me, and a lot of
this sort of that. I think that

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I don't know if you've noticed that
to younger people, that disconnect they have

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with the world. Isn't just that
young people are sort of feckless and gen

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z Ers and whatever, and you
know, bicycle helmet, everybody gets a

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trophy generation. That is true,
but it's also just a toxic in this

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toxic brew basic which is necessary.
But they're all been in school their whole

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lives, in which case they know
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then when they do it, you
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the contract, is you get an
a and a pat on the head,

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and you get told how great you
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that hangover lasts for a long time
for a lot of people, and there's

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still remnants of it in my life. So one of them was like,

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well, I can't like people expect
me to do X, Y and Z.

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The don't expect me to do this, so I can't do this,

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which is like, well, no, actually they can. So are you

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gonna like drive out to Princeton?
Are you going to rent an apartment out

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there? What do you move there
for the duration? Thanks fantastic. I

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was just in Princeton recently to Lovely
count It's adorable town. Looks like there's

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some good eating. Yeah, some
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it's rich. They're they're rich people
living in Princeton. Yeah, not that

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that's the way I'm going, but
but you know, hey, but you

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know you have to you have to
associate with the certain you've got, You've

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grown accustomed to a certain associate you
know, associational level, peer, the

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you know, of a lifestyle.
Right. So yeah, yeah, there's

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always this thing like, uh,
there's always the old you used to go

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to old French restaurants in in France
definitely, but in New York and the

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fancy ones I'm talking about the eighties, you know, and you'd see there

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would be a table. If they're
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table, and there'd be like a
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and they'd be drinking the best wine
and just dining, like full out

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dining. Apple cheeks, eyes glinting, you know, slightly, words slurring,

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and you know, the rosary clickity
clocketing or whatever those people do.

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I don't think that exists anymore,
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of like that was the that's a
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being the Episcopal tradition, it's very
different. I mean there's none of that,

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but there's more mayonnaise. There's more
mayonnaise, and there're more cocktails,

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and a wider variety of blazers and
a richer palette of pants, hues,

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more reds, more exactly right,
Well, yesterday was the Pentecost when everybody's

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for sporting clop. So. I
don't know if I've told you this.

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I am the five hundred and thirty
eighth inductee to the Gridiron Club. Oh

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wow, congratulations. Yeah, we'll
see about the congratulations part. I was

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I was starting. It was it
was very nice that they asked me.

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It was yeah, nice people and
all that kind of stuff. I'm not

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really a joiner, but I figured
it's I can always leave, right,

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It's not like it's it's it's not
like joining the Jesuits in the fifteen hundreds

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or something, right, So like
I can, I can check out,

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but like worth kind of doing,
you know, my parted parents thought would

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have thought it was really cool and
so blah blah blah blah blah, and

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but I don't think so. I
don't think I told you the story.

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So, Jonathan Carl, ABC News, one of my two co sponsors for

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the grid Iron, I have different
sponsors in other contexts. Oh, sure,

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that's right. They're they're asleep on
the job. Yes, that's yeah,

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they are. They are to a
sponsorship what Rob Long will be to

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uh fire and Brimstone preach craft.
But uh so I uh so, No.

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Carl calls me, and I'm on
my cell phone, you know,

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we're talking and he's explaining, you
know, would I be asking, would

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be interested in joining? And and
you know, here's how it works.

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And I'm like, well, like, I'm not gonna dance and I'm not

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gonna sing, you know, but
like I can't write skits or help with

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the upsets or whatever. And for
listeners who don't know, the grid iroon

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is this thing where they put on
skits once a year and whampooning. Yeah,

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anyway, so it goes on for
a while and then and then John's

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that are too funny for the humor
segments on National Public Radio. That's exactly

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right, that's exactly right. And
so at the end of this conversation,

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johnsans like, do you have any
other questions? And I'm like, I

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should ask him, and I don't
know what this thing is going to cost.

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I'm like, are there any dudes? And there's this long silence and

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he's like, well, yeah,
there's some and I'm like, okay,

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like yeah, are they are?
Are they onerous? Are they bad?

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Is is you know? Are they
a hassle? Start asking all these questions

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long sign and he's like, I
wouldn't I wouldn't call him owner what he

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like? And it turns out he
thought I'd asked are there any Jews?

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His answers, well, there are
some. He didn't know how to answer

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it. I mean, that is
not the answer. The answer if he

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thought that was a question, The
answer is like, of course, joanah,

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how dare you? I mean,
like answer he was so flustered,

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but he was so flustered by the
question, And then I was so flustered,

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like, wait, am I not
supposed to ask about this? Is

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this something one does not do and
ask about how much money it's gonna cost?

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Well you have to ask, Yeah, you're you're the first person who

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asked what it costs? So I
guess no, Uh is there a clubhouse?

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Does they have a clubhouse? Can
you just go hang out? Is

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that a thing there? I don't
think so, at least that has not

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been communicated to me as of as
of yet. And uh, would you

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be a shame like, Yeah,
what's the one in New York? The

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famous one? To which one the
classic comedian one? You know, the

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one, Oh Friars Club? I
think that's closed. Well. I belong

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here in New York to the Players
Club, which is Grammercy Park, which

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we should go to sometimes. It's
it's it's was founded by the most famous

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actor, famous person of his day, Edwin Booth, the actor Edwin Booth

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and Mark brother of the Bad both
brother of the brother that Booth and Mark

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Twain, and they sort of hung
out and they decided one day they're going

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to start the Players Club for players. And and then when Edwin Booth died,

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his house on Gramercy Park is the
Clubhouse, which is a lot of

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fun and it's a it's a first
of all, you walk through there some

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beautiful paintings and they're all paintings.
Are the famous actors of the day and

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in student like his Hamlet or something, and you just realize how terrible the

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acting was back then. It must
have been terrible because they're hamming it up.

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They're like, you know, the
big gestures and everything. It's like

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that John Lovet's character acting. It's
like that. And then the second thing

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is you go in the library,
on the library one of the library tables

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they have under glass. They have
a facsimile, they have the real one

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somewhere the letter that Edwin Booth and
his mother and brother wrote, the open

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letter they wrote to the nation apologizing
for the actions of their brother, And

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it's kind of very moving. It's
first because you realize, oh my god,

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what terrible they can talk of the
shame of it. But then by

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paragraph three you realize it's not at
all about John Wilkes Booth or Abraham Lincoln

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or the nation. It's just a
family of drama queens making it all about

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them. We can never show up
face we are, but if you see

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us, to turn away. But
it's this great old nineteenth century weirdness,

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and the place is great, and
it's like filled with actors and people playing

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piano, and it's a it's a
great bar and now I'd love to go.

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It's a lot of fun. And
the dues are not onerous, and

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there are some jus, I mean
there's there are some dues. Yeah,

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yeah, but they keep them.
They're very subtile, they're not they don't

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make a big deal about the Yeah, all the dudes they try to pass

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the Jews. Yeah. We talked
about this briefly at our swanky dinner last

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week and we started a conversation of
you could do a good piece on dynastic

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families in politics, arts, whatever
who ended up having to sort of make

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apologies for their black sheep, right, Yeah, like the Kennedy's now with

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Robert F. Kennedy Junior. We
had another one and I can't remember.

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We'll try to the families who have
to say, gosh, d reputy eight,

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he doesn't speak for us kind of
thing, right. Yeah. There

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wasn't a bad Adams was there,
like, uh, because the Adams was

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were a real dynasty. Yeah right
right, yeah, I mean people for

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Edwin boot Just to go back to
Edwin Booth was the most famous person.

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I mean, he was unbelievably famous
at a time when if you were an

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actor and you were famous you were
famous for people knew who you were who

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would never had never seen you act
and would never see you act. Right,

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it's just like they went to the
movies and you know, and how

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weirdly that all changed. You know, within half a century everything was different.

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You know, the undeniably Charlie Chaplin
was the most famous person in the

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world for a while and because they
had all seen him. Yeah, it's

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just movies. I mean that's yeah, movies and posters for movies and yeah,

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laughing magazine stuffing like that. But
it must be weird to like have

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that. I guess you know what
I think it was, like, which

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one? Which Trump? Is it? That is the Mary Trump? Mary

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Trump? Yeah, she's the lone
Trump who actually has some dignity in class.

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Well whatever, I'm just talking about
just this to the proportions, says,

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you know, she's the the sad
little Trump all alone. Yeah.

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I think she didn't die. That
was the sister who died. The judge.

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I think the judge died. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,

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So what else should we talk about? Well, well, I'm glad

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you asked, Jonah because says,
you know, I've had to give you

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the good news about Jesus, could
you open the door, please give me

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some literature exactly. It's going to
be interesting to hear you in a pod

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uh uh go, you know battle
theological with each other. Now yeah,

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well of course we we include that
book too, that's in the pews.

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So it's like, you can't Christians. Often Christians forget that the you know,

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three quarters of the book is you
know, crazy Jewish stuff, and

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then one quarter of it is essentially
the same story over again, told differently,

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so like you just sheer tonnage.
There's more smoting and smiting, and

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there's more animal sacrificing letting the Romans
go up to God than there is turn

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the other cheapness. So this is
I mean, this is this is a

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very unglopped topic. But since we
don't have pod here, what do we

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want to really it's like our parents
are like away from the Jews. Should

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we go through Let's eat over the
sink? I think about this a lot.

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I've been trying to get Tom Holland
do you know Tom Honald how the

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historian. I've been trying to get
him on the remnant for a while.

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I am I'm really sort of well, two things. One I'm intrigued at

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and he's really good on this about
how virtually all of the criticisms in the

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West of Christianity are within a Christian
moral framework. Right, So like all

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the atheists, all the human rights
people, they say that they've sort of

406
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:33.720
shed, you know, the backwards, datavistic religion of Christianity, but then

407
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.400
all of their critiques, all of
the architecture and frameworks of their moral and

408
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:47.000
ethical systems, are basically Christian.
And and so I'm sort of fascinated by

409
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:51.119
that. And then the second part
of it is is like I'm fascinated with

410
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:56.039
the you know, our I don't
mean my people or your people in ethnic

411
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:00.880
or religious sense, but like on
the right is sort of it's sort of

412
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:07.640
just good manners to talk about Judeo
Christian rather than just Christian. And it's

413
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:12.640
it's largely there's a very strong intellectual, historical argument for doing that. I'm

414
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:17.799
not trying to reject that whole land, but it manifests itself in a large

415
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.599
part as a matter of politics.
Right, there's something icky in our politics

416
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:27.680
to just talk about Christian values.
It feels, it feels sectarian in a

417
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:33.960
way that the second you say Judeo
Christian. It feels much more ecumenical kind

418
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:38.839
of thing, right, Yeah,
And so anyway, what I'm really interested

419
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.839
in, and one of reason I
want to get Holland on is to get

420
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:47.599
his take on this is like,
so separate the wheat in the chaff between

421
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:53.839
where is this a legitimate way of
framing our moral framework and where is it

422
00:31:55.079 --> 00:32:01.599
just like good pr for sort of
conservative value stuff. And I don't have

423
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:05.799
a great answer for it, and
I have I can speculate, but now

424
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:09.200
you're going away to get this thing, so like offle you in. Yeah,

425
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:14.839
I guess my quick answer would be
like, on the one hand,

426
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.200
it is sort of good manners,
but it's also kindness because I think when

427
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:22.400
I mean, I mean to full
disclosure. Had you asked me this a

428
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.720
year ago or six months ago,
whatever, seven months ago, I might

429
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:30.960
have said, you know, the
reason you say Judea Christian is you really

430
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.640
mean Christian? Because sometimes you do. The reason you say that is because

431
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.880
you know it makes Jews uncomfortable when
they hear people have the Christian values for

432
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:44.079
like legitimate reasons. And then six
months ago I would have said, you

433
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.319
know, because the Jews like they
they're you know, they're a little overreacting

434
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:50.559
to this, to the signs of
anti Semitism that they see here in the

435
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.279
other place, and it's really not
yeah, rolling my eyes Jesus like I

436
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.359
get it. I yeah, but
you know, come on, And then

437
00:32:55.400 --> 00:33:00.319
of course now I would say them, oh, reikes, you're right all

438
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:05.200
along. And part of it is
that you can't really have a religion of

439
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.559
you know, love and forgiveness and
redemption if you don't also have a religion

440
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:17.079
of you know, people learning about
laws and putting laws together. I mean,

441
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:22.240
there's no reason why Jews exist,
should exist. There is no reason

442
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:24.319
why Judaism should exist. There's just
no reason for it, really, I

443
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:32.880
mean, tiny little group of people
always being invaded by more powerful, more

444
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:38.119
powerful empires who themselves had religions in
full career, right, So like the

445
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:43.160
Egyptians and the Persians and the Greeks
and the Romans and these Syrians, all

446
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:47.400
these people had like fully formed religions
with literature and stuff. And there is

447
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:55.119
no reason really you can think of
why we nobody's praying to Isis or Jupiter

448
00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:02.920
or you know, nebukad Nezar who
it gets Quadal, right, I mean,

449
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.480
so why did this last and one
of them I think is because the

450
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:15.519
most honest examination of a people try
to figure out how to live in the

451
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:21.360
world. Another one is like it
absolutely breaks in half the idea, the

452
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.840
sort of Marxist idea that power,
it's all about power. Well, Romans

453
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:28.400
were more powerful than the Jews,
and they tore down the temple. They

454
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:34.199
earned the temple. What yeah,
so like, so how did this all

455
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:36.719
work? So like if you don't, if you're not focusing on that,

456
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:38.800
and then I think you're missing a
big part of the piece. And then

457
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:45.719
I would just say, as a
Christian chaupinness that Christianity and Jesus especially the

458
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:52.039
message was He's the first person in
the history of mankind or personhood or on

459
00:34:52.119 --> 00:35:00.000
the globe uh and is really the
only religion in the world that says still

460
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:06.920
today you are important, You Jonah
are important. Not where you belong in

461
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.320
the tribe, which is what Judaism
is like the idea of keeping the people

462
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:13.599
together, which is understandable, not
where you belong in the dharma, which

463
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:16.719
is sort of Buddhism and Hinduism,
which is very These are very beautiful religions,

464
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:21.320
but they're not really about yourself.
And personhood. This one is that

465
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:25.119
you are so important that God leave
the flock to find you, and that

466
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:30.559
is kind of radical, and it
still remains radical for people. But I

467
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:32.280
think if I was going to come
up with a theory, I would say

468
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:38.239
that one of the reasons why the
West was slow to move obviously, I

469
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:44.039
mean when the Arabs are taken over
the world and crossing North Africa entering France

470
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:45.639
from the south, which of course
is the way the French prefer it.

471
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.440
You know, Christians are burning each
other up and chopping each other's heads off

472
00:35:52.559 --> 00:36:00.719
because you disagreed with my specific definition
of the divine right right thought the Holy

473
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:05.239
Spirit was something else. And then
but at some point they caught up.

474
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:12.840
And I think they caught up because
in Christianity, you, your selfhood is

475
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:19.320
was for the first time the only
place was the was an important thing and

476
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:23.440
God knew you. And you know
that's of course's been distorted and whatever over

477
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:28.239
time. But if I had to, like, you know, that's so

478
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.440
that's kind of my answer. But
you can't really have one without the other.

479
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.480
So we'll be back to go up
in a minute. But if you're

480
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481
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482
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way, this is true. And last

483
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week I had to have one removed, and I really did need to remove

484
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weird little piece of gossip. If
I could so, I was in Jerusalem

508
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.679
a few years ago. A year
and a half ago, I took a

509
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:31.639
tour very lovely, very generous,
a very very philanthropic Americans, mostly Americans

510
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:38.039
zillionaires have had this most incredible archaeological
dig I've ever been on in my life.

511
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:43.159
It's the the city of David,
right, which goes from it's amazing,

512
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.760
goes from David down to the pools
of Salom. They've they dug it

513
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.960
up. So if you go to
Jerusalem, you're always told in Jerusalem,

514
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:52.440
Okay, in the Christian world we
say, well, it happened here or

515
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:57.559
near so this is not really here, but it was around here and I'm

516
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:00.159
twenty feet below. So these are
not the owns that Jesus walked in.

517
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.559
But they have dug up the path
from the pools of Salom to the second

518
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:08.039
what was then the Second Temple,
and that is those are the stones.

519
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:15.400
Yeah, and that's kind of bananous
to think about. But the the young

520
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:20.119
woman who's very lovely and smart and
incredibly charming, was giving U the tour.

521
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:22.800
She's from Jersey, and she's like, I guess she was, I

522
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:24.840
don't know what she's doing. She
kept saying, and she kept saying Judeo

523
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:29.360
Christian, Judio Christian, da Christian. So there's a little bit of politics

524
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.800
there because what they want with her
point is and guess what is not part

525
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:39.719
it's the third troublesome part. So
everything in Jerusalem is political, so Robert

526
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:45.519
F. Kennedy of Monotheism, I
took it back. I it back.

527
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:52.039
No, the scene, David,
thing is wild. It's really great.

528
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.880
I mean I was there ten years
ago or something, and I'm sure they

529
00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:00.400
found a lot more cool stuff since
I was there, But one of the

530
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.119
just like the basic like you know
the old quarter of Jerusalem, right,

531
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.719
Like that's like the old quarter.
It's like the oldest quarter of quarters in

532
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:15.920
urban world. Right. It turns
out that's the new Jerusalem, right,

533
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:22.519
And uh, but no, the
city the thing is is is just wild

534
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:30.880
and and like I'm not super versed
on fluent on on biblical stuff about where

535
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.840
you know, the Philistines did this
and the so and so's did that,

536
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.000
but like I remember it when people
remind me of it, and they're like,

537
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.039
yeah, so like where it says
that in the Bible, that's right

538
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:43.440
here, you know, And that's
just that stuff is really cool. It's

539
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.800
really cool. And you think,
oh, so this is a this is

540
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:52.239
a record, this is a and
a friend of mine who old college friend

541
00:40:52.239 --> 00:41:00.679
of mine, so raised secular Jewish, not really our family was of the

542
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:06.559
very secular Jews from his parents and
all this family from England. And once

543
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:08.440
he went back to England to visit
some old friends, old family friends,

544
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:12.400
and one of them was an old
thing this, CRISI tell me, is

545
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:19.840
your father still into Judaism? But
he, you know, not that long

546
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:25.679
ago, converted to Catholicism. And
I asked him, I said, you

547
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:34.960
know why, and his response was, well, I think it might be

548
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:38.599
true for one thing. Oh well
that's that's a pretty good answer. And

549
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:40.760
you know, it's you know,
it's like, I don't know, if

550
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:45.159
you believe the Trojan War happened,
and you believe that Caesar was assassinated,

551
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.239
and you believe, you know,
a while of other things we say their

552
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:51.440
history, this has got as much
historical record as that. And then to

553
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:57.559
dig up I mean for the Jews
to dig up the David's temple is his

554
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.480
castle, and to find little pieces
of bottery and stone and things with ancient

555
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:06.559
Hebrew on them, it's pretty amazing. Yeah, yeah, do you know

556
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:08.960
we can get off this in a
second. But like when I was there,

557
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:19.159
they felt like they were closing in
on proving the historical existence of David,

558
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.320
which up until ten years ago at
least, Yeah, he's sort of

559
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.679
like King Arthur. It's like they
think there was someone named King Arthur,

560
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:30.400
but they can't find any physical evidence
to back it up. And Robin Hood's

561
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.639
different, right, But like King
David, I'm pretty sure there was a

562
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.679
King David. It'd be really weird
to like right around, you know,

563
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:42.960
to fictionalize that one, dude.
But they hadn't found anything yet. I'm

564
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.480
just curious. Has that been nailed
down? Do you know? I think

565
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:46.960
they've nailed it down, at least
they represented I feel like they have.

566
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:52.159
I can't remember and and that and
that, and also all the various sieges

567
00:42:52.559 --> 00:43:00.400
of the city, right is the
famous I think that these Syrians come back

568
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.840
and lay siege to the city and
I forget what it is, probably in

569
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:08.039
chronicles or something where there's like a
and the starvation, right because there's see

570
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:15.800
there, there's like there's starving them
out, and they have they know that

571
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:19.679
something like that must have happened at
a certain date because on the side of

572
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:24.119
the hill which is now sort of
right above so on the slope side on

573
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:30.880
the on the eastern edge of the
city, right above a giant Muslim cemetery,

574
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:36.480
they found all these like little places
and they found little toilet seats,

575
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:42.039
little stone toilets, and they dug
into them and they found little ossified human

576
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:47.480
feces which they then tested and it
revealed the kind of diseases and traces of

577
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:55.079
things that suggest that people starving to
death. But it's you know, it's

578
00:43:55.159 --> 00:44:00.239
just like a bow. That's somebody's
job is to like, let's uh,

579
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:07.119
we're gonna test it of some elderly
Jews and find out what was going on.

580
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:09.360
Well, no, I mean the
thing is is like, is the

581
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:14.360
dude working in that lab when his
wife calls and says he gonna be home

582
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.159
for dinner and he's like, look, honey, I'm just up to my

583
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:22.199
ears and right now, and you
know what, I don't have an appetite.

584
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:30.840
I went to this hold on do
they get like when someone comes in

585
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:31.440
with that, we got a new
batter we got to study, and he

586
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:37.800
says, don't come don't come at
me with that and bring that to me.

587
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.639
You know, put all that,
put all that there, with all

588
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:46.119
that other sh everybody's ever you know
I did. I went years ago.

589
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:50.079
I went to this some I don't
know why I did this. I went

590
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:54.920
to a there's a name for them, a functional meta functional. I was

591
00:44:54.960 --> 00:45:00.679
having like I was speeching right,
and it wasn't like not like I was

592
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:02.880
allergic to something. And so I
went to this doctor who's a functional medicine

593
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:08.039
and she's a I don't know,
it's like some groovy not really quasi medical

594
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:12.000
scientific. And so she one,
we'll test everything. We'll give you tests

595
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:19.239
and Sanino, we could also,
you know, I send your stool to

596
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:27.079
a special lab. I was like, how do you do that? How

597
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.639
does that happen? Well, we
give you a kit. Connect the dots,

598
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:34.679
worry please, we give you a
kit. So she gave you this

599
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:38.840
kit which included all these things,
including a prepackaged, prepaid FedEx box.

600
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:47.519
So I thought, well, when
is this going to happen? And because

601
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:53.840
you know, honestly, I thought, look, if everything goes horribly wrong

602
00:45:54.039 --> 00:46:00.119
somehow, I think it's pay better
that I do this when I'm gonna in

603
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.599
the night in the hotel anyway,
right, because you know, I mean

604
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:08.880
yeah, so I yeah, So
I'm actually out of town and I'm out

605
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.000
of town. Good, I'm gonna
be out of town in two weeks.

606
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.880
I'll bring my kit. So I
brought the kit, which includes by the

607
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:19.760
way, the kit the people who
put the kit together. They were way

608
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:21.920
out of everything, right, because
I'm like a houses e gonna work,

609
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:23.719
and like, well, they have
a little tray like you get when you

610
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:25.880
you know, like French fries.
There in a little tray, and they

611
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:30.400
have a little plastic spoon, and
they have a rubber glove. I'm just

612
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:34.159
telling you what they got, right, And all these various various vials with

613
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.079
different like liquids in them to like
preserve, so you have to get like

614
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:40.280
three or four samples. And then
you have a black sealable bag and you

615
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:43.199
put that in a thing. You
put this in a thing, and you

616
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.159
take it all to FedEx and you
pretend when they say what is it?

617
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:51.519
What does it contain? You say
books, you know, my manuscript?

618
00:46:52.400 --> 00:47:02.119
Uh, what is this diseased?
And then but then I got I was

619
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:07.639
coming home. I got home too
late to drop it off at the fed

620
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:16.480
X store, so I I put
it in the refrigerator. M and then

621
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:21.559
I in the morning, when I
went off to my little workspace office where

622
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:23.880
they pick up the fed X,
I took it and I put it in

623
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:27.159
that refrigerator. It's a FedEx box, to be fair. I put it

624
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.639
in that refrigerator where everybody you know
stories there. This is my this is

625
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:31.920
my diet coke, this is my
thing, this is my sweet green whatever

626
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:40.400
did you put a note on it? And then I sent it away and

627
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:45.639
the results were not that interesting,
but I smarted thinking like, wow,

628
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:51.280
that's like one of the percentage of
the fed X boxes that you see in

629
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.719
office refrigerators. Anyway, that would
have been a enjoy very It would have

630
00:47:55.760 --> 00:48:06.920
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631
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:07.679
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662
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:15.039
for this long we went by the
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663
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:19.280
have gone sacred and profane in a
certain way. Right, So we've done

664
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.960
almost no pop culture on this.
So I'm gonna change gears again this weekend.

665
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:30.840
My daughter's in town and she is
one of our oldest and most revered

666
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:34.719
traditions is we go to the movies
together. It's just daddy daughter go to

667
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:39.079
the movies, right, And so
we saw The Fall Guy and it's not

668
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:42.760
bad, no, you know.
I mean, I was never a huge

669
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:47.719
fan of the TV show, upon
which it is very loosely based, but

670
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:52.280
Ryan Gosling is actually a pretty good
comedic actor and it's funny. Yeah.

671
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:58.000
And the thing is, and this
is not really a spoiler. This is

672
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:01.440
about the credit sequence, right,
so like, and anyone who goes to

673
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:05.880
that movie and thinks it's going to
have a tragic ending really does not.

674
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:12.480
But anyway, so the movie is
really a love letter to stuntman, which

675
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.280
I'm all in favor of. And
it did occur to me that the TV

676
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:21.800
show was basically a loosely loose ripoff
of Hooper, and this is the movie

677
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:24.039
was kind of is like a ripoff
of Hooper too. It so like you

678
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:28.599
can see the genealogy in it.
But anyway, like they're they're playing country

679
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:30.639
music songs or songs about stunt men. It's all about how stunt men are

680
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:35.039
great. They're the unsung heroes.
They don't get no gold, you know,

681
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.639
awards or any of that kind of
stuff. And so you'd expect during

682
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:40.599
the credit roll, when you knew
they were going to show you a whole

683
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:46.480
bunch of cool stunt stuff, right, you'd expect them to like put like

684
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:51.079
the names of the actual stuntman in
there so you can see them and stuff

685
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:55.719
and instead it was all like an
homage to Ryan Gosling pretending to be a

686
00:51:55.719 --> 00:52:01.199
stuntman, as an ode to stuntman, and like you just and my daughter

687
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:04.719
pointed out you. She was like, I think this is kind of mean,

688
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.920
Like this whole thing is supposed to
be about stuntman, and then it's

689
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:12.199
at the star and then the end
it's still about It's still it's actually proving

690
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:15.440
the point of all the complaints that
in the part that's supposed to be the

691
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:20.599
celebration of stuntman is still a celebration
of the talent. It was just interesting.

692
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:22.840
I hadn't caught it, but my
daughter was like, really pissed off

693
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.440
about it. Uh, yeah,
it's weird. We're weird. A couple

694
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:29.960
of weird things about that. One
one is Lee Majors, who's the star

695
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:32.320
of the of the Fall guy is
still alive. Yeah, well he has

696
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:35.960
a cameo in this. Oh that's
good. I was going to ask about

697
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:39.480
that, and I, you know, it was this was part of an

698
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:42.840
argument. I hadn't seen the movie, but it seemed like it was fine.

699
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.760
But it's part of the argument I
was making with somebody in the movie

700
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:51.280
business, and they threw this back
in my face because I was saying because

701
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:54.719
the movie didn't do well, well, didn't do well, and part of

702
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:59.679
the part of the argument a bunch
of different interpretations for it. One was

703
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:01.400
people's well I saw it, it's
stuck. It sucked, but I'm like,

704
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:05.000
okay, fine, I don't know
what. And now people said,

705
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.440
well, this is the problem with
a movie. Business is entirely based on

706
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:10.679
what they call IP, intellectual property, which is a fancy way of saying

707
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:15.800
a title you already know, like
something I already know, so I'm gonna

708
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:19.599
go see it. Because IP means
that you're if you greenlit that movie,

709
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:23.800
you have some kind of corporate protection
if it if it fails, which is

710
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:28.000
really the most important driver of anything
in Hollywood is fear. And then the

711
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:30.760
second thing it means is that,
Okay, I don't I don't need to

712
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:35.519
bring you all the way up to
speed on what this movie's about, because

713
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.679
that's gonna cost me money. So
you're going to get more. You know,

714
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:42.920
you're a title or a name that's
familiar, it's gonna cost just cost

715
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:47.280
less to promote, and promotion is
the most expensive thing these days. And

716
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:52.159
so of the death of the IP
obsession, because look, if people aren't

717
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:54.440
well flooding in to see this this
The Fall Guy, which is this big

718
00:53:54.519 --> 00:54:00.519
hit TV show a thousand years ago, then maybe IP, which isn't the

719
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:04.280
most important thing. Although the reality
is that I don't think people really remember

720
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.920
The Fall Guy. Yeah, this
wasn't that big. But the third thing

721
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.719
I said was like, because this
was thrown in my face, I've been

722
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:13.360
saying over and over again that,
I mean, it wasn't that long ago

723
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:19.679
that every single summer had two or
three giant comedies, big loud, noisy

724
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.920
comedies that we still refer to,
like people still say you stay classy,

725
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:30.079
right, Anchormannic to zooland or all
those things. Right, And if you

726
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:35.480
look where the script for those movies
or somebody's trying to explain what those movies

727
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:37.840
were, they were not IP.
They had nothing to do with anything.

728
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:40.320
They were kind of weird. Like
if you had a meeting about Anchorman,

729
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.920
you'd be like, well, what
when is is it like set in the

730
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:47.519
seventies, right, And the answer
is well yes and no. They're kind

731
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:51.840
of like, well, wait they
have this big fight and people's arms get

732
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:54.719
chopped off. It's like yeah,
but you just would have to close your

733
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:57.679
eyes and say, well, it's
Will Ferrell and his friends will be fun.

734
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:01.679
Yeah, And this is just I
think this is an example of of

735
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:06.519
of the right directionally correct. Make
a big, loud, noisy comedy,

736
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:10.639
but don't tie it to something.
Just make a big loud, noisy comedy

737
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:15.599
and people will find it and they'll
like it, and you know, in

738
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:21.400
the summer, that's what you want
to do. Although some of the I

739
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:25.599
mean, there was a wave of
actually funny comedies that were based on IP,

740
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:29.639
like the Start Skiing Hoch Go Bad. I mean, I don't know

741
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:36.639
how it did, but I think
it's right. Yeah. But and then

742
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:42.320
another topic which we didn't talk about, I think because uh, John Pedortz

743
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.519
vetoed it and people. What people
need to know is that the reason why

744
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:51.719
we let John talk as much as
he does is we're terrified of him and

745
00:55:51.760 --> 00:56:00.159
he runs a very tight ship.
It really does. And I walked to

746
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:05.159
a door and it was my fault. Uh. But we never talked about

747
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:08.440
Unfrosted, which I gathered did not
do great though I don't even understand what

748
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:15.960
the metrics are for do great for
Netflix? Are I guess download the streams

749
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:20.599
right? But yeah, they decide. Yeah, so what did did you

750
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:22.599
see it? I saw parts of
it. I mean, I mean I

751
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.519
want to see the whole thing.
I thought it was fun. I liked

752
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:29.239
it. I mean people like were
all up in arms by people said otist

753
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:34.280
stupid. I think it was really
I don't know. I thought it was

754
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:36.880
the scenes I've seen. I haven't
seen a whole thing, but they seem

755
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:38.920
like, oh, I'm I'm gonna
finish watching this. Yeah, I thought

756
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:42.599
it. I liked it. I
didn't love it. I love the cat

757
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:51.119
and it seems to me, uh, it's it's a little bit like Saturn

758
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:59.119
Live. Like there are very few
even in the Golden Ages Live Golden Ages

759
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:02.960
Saturn Live was and you had a
shot an episode is Sign of Life where

760
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:07.519
they had three successful skits right right, right, I mean they never had

761
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:13.119
one where every skit was great,
right, And that and that's not because

762
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:16.239
that's not because they were terrible.
That's because actually writing sketches is hard,

763
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:19.840
yeah, for sure, right,
and you're throwing stuff at the wall,

764
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:22.480
right, And so like maybe it
was like two really good skits and one

765
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:30.639
great fake commercial and that's a super
successful show, right, And I kind

766
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:36.000
of feel like Unfrosted will have a
very long half life because there are a

767
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:42.400
handful of legitimately really funny scenes and
that's kind of all you need to sort

768
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:46.239
of have a long hangtime, you
know, in the culture for a comedy.

769
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:54.039
I also think fall Guy is going
to be really really popular on cable

770
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:58.119
in reruns. Like there's just some
shows you could see, Oh, I'm

771
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:00.519
gonna watch this for ten minutes and
end up watching the whole and it feels

772
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.639
like that kind of thing, you
know. Yeah, it's like one of

773
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:08.519
those like the step Brothers that that
c Riley. Yeah, I'm like,

774
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:12.840
it did that great in the theater, but you know there's a period when

775
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.480
it was on cable all the time
and whenever you're flipping around and it's there,

776
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:17.320
like I'm watching the rest of it
without doubt. Yeah, yeah,

777
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:22.360
it's one of those I mean,
I'm it's the I'm just going to think

778
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:27.599
of like that that there are those
movies like that. I mean, but

779
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.239
you kind of have to, like
the idea is that you have a vote

780
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:35.400
that you can't you can't do the
kind of coverage that you would do.

781
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:39.559
You can't do the kind of like
which meetings a meeting a creative meeting about

782
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:43.440
a script and there'll be some intern
to coverage. Now that's going to be

783
00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:45.159
a I like tell you what happens
to the script, the characters are,

784
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:50.039
and where the plot holes are,
and that those are usually the creative meetings

785
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.320
that you have in a studio when
you're making a feature film or television show.

786
00:58:52.719 --> 00:59:00.719
But if you're dealing with a comic
brain like you, what what what's

787
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:02.400
the meeting going to be? Is
only going to be about budget. And

788
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:07.679
these movies are generally very cheap to
make. They're not that expensive, and

789
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:14.519
so there's no they they slip right
through. And that's usually where where you

790
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.639
know they're they're either going to do
really well or do really really well later

791
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:20.199
or if they don't get the right
kind of promotion or just bad timing for

792
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.480
the release. But movies like that, I mean, what makes them work

793
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:25.599
is that I think it's that there. It's kind of like we should call

794
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:29.760
it an old show business, a
sweat act. It's like a sweat act

795
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:36.840
is the act that it's a performer
who's just working really hard, Like is

796
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:42.559
a sweat act like the old Vegas
like the Headliners, the Wayne Newton,

797
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.000
you know, for a long time
is a sweat act. He's running around,

798
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:49.239
he's gonna he's earning the money.
And that's like I remember like thinking

799
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:55.880
that like a show, a TV
show like thirty Rock or The Simpsons,

800
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:59.760
really like you know, like this
joke is one coming right now. You

801
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:01.480
don't that joke is one coming right
now. It's like we're putting jokes this

802
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:05.400
five jokes page. You don't like
one that's okay, By the time in

803
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:07.880
your brain registers that didn't work,
there is another one's going to make you

804
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:12.039
laugh. And it's just that level
of like constantly working really hard. And

805
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.599
usually those are the movies that people
love. They like, but are they

806
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:21.360
all is every joke killer or no? But they're working and they're trying really

807
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:24.559
hard. I once gotten a big
Twitter argument with a young actor who is

808
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:29.599
a star of a show on I
think the Fox at the time, because

809
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:32.480
he was a big improv guy.
And I did a little my Little Martini

810
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:37.519
Show, one of my Little Martini
shot shows, which was on public radio

811
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:42.400
in LA at the time, about
you know, I'm not a big fan,

812
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:45.719
like you know what I mean,
maybe summer writers like how about this,

813
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:50.679
how about you you write it down? And then you rehearse it and

814
01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:52.639
then you change it, make it
better, and then invite me to come

815
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:58.000
and pay money to sit and watch
it. But that that that's also an

816
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:01.000
option, right, write it down
first, it's okay, And he was

817
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:04.559
sort of like, well, you
don't understand and problem. So we sort

818
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:06.760
of got into it in Twitter a
little bit. He's when we met.

819
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:09.559
He's a very nice guy. He's
a lovely guy. But I do remember

820
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:16.519
like thinking, we're writing it down
and working on it, and I uses

821
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:23.159
my example, what are reliably the
funniest parts of SNL. Reliably the funniest

822
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:27.920
parts are the stuff that they've pre
taped, the things that they've shot.

823
01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:32.039
Those the commercial parodies, the whatever
it is. Those are always killer because

824
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:36.719
they they had to work harder on
them, because you had to like shoot

825
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:40.440
them, and they had all this
time to make them better. And that's

826
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:44.280
a good thing. Making it better
is a good thing. Yeah, it

827
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.159
can go I mean, obviously you
know this process stuff much much much better

828
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:50.800
than I do. But it can
go the other way too, right,

829
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:55.480
where stuff can get committed to death. You know, Well, this is

830
01:01:55.480 --> 01:02:04.480
one of the reasons why I have
always disliked the process of institutional editorials.

831
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:12.000
Sometimes they're necessary, but like if
you start getting everybody, so it's the

832
01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:16.920
too many chefs problem, right,
and it gets watered down and it gets

833
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:23.679
too broad and loses its voice.
And I think that like most editorials,

834
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:30.480
like the way the washert Journal understanding
does it is they sign it to one

835
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:35.760
person, they write an editorial in
their voice, and then other people And

836
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:38.519
the way I think the Washington Post
used to do this and then yeah,

837
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:42.719
if people will chime in on it
and offer boutiques, but it's got a

838
01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:45.960
consistent voice to it. And the
way the New York Time is my understanding,

839
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:50.679
at least they used to do it, is fifty people are writing the

840
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:55.000
damn thing, and so it comes
out as just pablem nonsense you are you

841
01:02:55.119 --> 01:03:00.119
know, and Islamophobia and everything you
know, Yeah, of course there is

842
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:05.159
scourge of Islamophobia. Yeah, I
mean, like the number I mean this

843
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:08.559
is could be completely completely unfair,
but I canna say it anyway. The

844
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:15.400
number of writers I know who are
worried, you know, the event diagram

845
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:20.119
number of writers I know who are
really worried about AI and the number of

846
01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:28.079
writers I know who's writing already sounds
like AI is almost not quite overlapping,

847
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:31.280
not quite one hundred percent overlapping,
but majority of huge overlap. Yeah.

848
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:34.880
Yeah, Like, like, I
don't do you think AI. Maybe in

849
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:37.440
the future they could, but for
right now, I don't think AI could

850
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:38.960
write a joke. I could not
write a chief file. Have you tried

851
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:46.000
it? I have. It's really
really bad, but it's it's I mean,

852
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:49.480
obviously you tried it last week.
Uh no, no, no,

853
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:51.639
no, Like I asked, I
said, write me a thing about this

854
01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:53.360
in the voice of Joanah Goldberg,
and I'm just like, I mean,

855
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:58.360
there are sentences that are like,
I see what you're going for here.

856
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:00.320
Yeah, the whole thing, No, just doesn't kind of work. And

857
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:06.440
I agree with that. I mean, uh, you know, I went

858
01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:11.440
into all this with the you know, like I wanted to get to a

859
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:13.760
point where you could put your hand
over my byline and people would say this

860
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:16.719
sounds like John of Goldberg, right
right, And I think that's what writers

861
01:04:16.760 --> 01:04:20.360
are supposed to do. I mean
that reporters are a little different, right,

862
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:27.280
because there's a little less room for
voice, you know, which makes

863
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:30.519
the really good reporters amazingly good,
right, you know, the ones who

864
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:32.880
are really good at it where they
managed to get voice in there while also

865
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:39.360
staying within the narrow you know,
within the lane of straight reporting. It's

866
01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:44.400
really impressive and much more difficult.
But anyway, we're neither. I didn't

867
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:45.519
mean to go down it. Yeah, no, I feel like it's it's

868
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:49.079
one of those things that's kind of
hard to do. And and if you

869
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:54.079
you almost as you get older in
your in your writing, I think you

870
01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:57.199
you suddenly realize, at least I
did. I suddenly realized, oh,

871
01:04:57.199 --> 01:05:00.239
oh that's oh that's how I write. Yeah, oh, that that's my

872
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:02.880
style. That's that's the person I've
created who does the writing, and that's

873
01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:05.840
the you know, the you know, the persona when you're when you're stuck,

874
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:08.360
you're like, okay, well,
what what would I write? What

875
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:12.840
would I write about this? And
I feel like that would be very hard

876
01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:16.800
to recreate. Uh. I mean
I never ever looked at stuff. There

877
01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.599
was one time, a time for
a long time, the National Review.

878
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:24.400
I don't know it's still true.
The archives were all so messed up that

879
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:28.079
I know I had written a peek
a little something for someone about and I

880
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:30.920
said, roughly, I told this
story, and I was like looking for

881
01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:35.719
it, looking for it and looking
for it and I couldn't find it.

882
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:39.519
And then I looked on an R
because I like every time. Then I

883
01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:43.440
wrote for the website and I found
it mm hmm on it. But it

884
01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:45.840
was like it was weird attribution.
It was kind of strange. I don't

885
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:48.079
know who. I don't know who. They still was writing it, but

886
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:51.239
it's like it was this weirdly hanging
out there in the middle of the archives.

887
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:55.840
That's it. And I knew instantly
I wrote that. I remember writing

888
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:58.400
that. I remember that I could
try to match it to my what's all

889
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.039
my dropbox from million years ago?
What I could, and I thought,

890
01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:03.159
oh, that's kind of amazing.
That was that's I could. I could

891
01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:06.599
tell that signature. And I mean, I don't know if I was reading.

892
01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:12.119
I mean, the great thing about
AAR or chat ept for me is

893
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:15.960
that I can ask a questions that
explains things that I that takes. It's

894
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:20.480
shorter than googling and more efficient than
googling. But it's not It's not fundamentally

895
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:24.039
different from googling. I don't think
for me in the way I use it.

896
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:32.039
Yeah, so every time I get
I start to trust CHATCHPT again,

897
01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:40.360
it disappoints me. And uh,
like I've been on this. So I

898
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:45.440
had this guy Doug uh uh,
I'm sorry, Ryan Bourne sure on the

899
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:51.159
Remnant recently and I was like,
Okay, this is the perfect thing for

900
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:57.840
chat pt to do for me.
Give me a list, asked, give

901
01:06:57.880 --> 01:07:02.280
me a list of quotations for from
famous economists, but the definition of what

902
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:05.480
a price is, you know.
And I constrained the question pretty well,

903
01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:08.760
I thought, and it was very
clear what I was asking. And it

904
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:12.880
gave me a list of quotes from
Milton Freeman said this in nineteen seventy six

905
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:15.440
in this book, and so and
so said this, right, And I'm

906
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:18.840
like, I recognize this definition as
being from Alex Tabarak, who's this great

907
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:25.559
economist at Mercada's in And then you
start going through it and it's like it

908
01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:28.559
just I don't want to say it
made up, but it just got the

909
01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:35.320
attributions for like half of these quotes
wrong. And does it apologize it does

910
01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:40.000
sometimes you say this is incorrect,
you know, it's just you're right,

911
01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:45.639
and then sorry, sorry sir.
Then of course it's like it gives instructions

912
01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:49.280
to the defibrillator machine in my hotel, my hospital room to give me a

913
01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:57.840
heart attack or whatever. But uh, I find you're right, like like

914
01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:00.840
the place the only place I find
it reliable. Like I'm about to go

915
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:05.400
to TV and I'm talking about like
protectionism. Yeah, like give me the

916
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:10.079
five arguments for protectionism. And it's
not like I don't know the arguments,

917
01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:14.320
but yeah, running into this TV
studio being reminded of them. Oh yeah,

918
01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:15.119
I know this one. I know
this one. No, that's that's

919
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:18.319
not really one of the arguments.
Blah blah blah. But I'm just I'm

920
01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:25.479
I'm really still underwhelmed by it.
I think it's late for biomedical stuff and

921
01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:30.720
chemistry, but I'm just on the
creative side. I'm still not really sold

922
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:33.760
that it's going to be this or
as earth shattering as people are making out

923
01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:38.199
to be. I have a friend
who's who's been we're in this world in

924
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:44.039
the AI business for a long time
for medical imaging, and you know,

925
01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:48.880
AI looking at your MRI is the
wave And I said, wow, how

926
01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:54.720
do doctors feel about that? And
his response was they hate it? And

927
01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:57.520
I tell them the solution to hating
it is be better than the AI,

928
01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:00.119
because right now the AI is some
like a ninety three percent success rate,

929
01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:04.039
and the human doctor as a seventy
three percent success rate. But AI plus

930
01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:09.760
doctor is a very very good success
rate in identifying things and not not cutting

931
01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:12.279
into you if they don't need to
cut into you. That's one thing I

932
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:14.880
mean, I used it. I
mean when we had our our our our

933
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:17.920
our little our dinner, fun dinner, which we should we should make a

934
01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:21.479
regular thing, our fun dinner in
New York last week. On the way

935
01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:25.640
there, I was, we were
going all going to have these delicious patty

936
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:30.840
melts, and I said, well
to the chut you degenerate a North Korean

937
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:38.439
propaganda poster of people exalting the patty
melt and the first one was a perfect

938
01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:44.600
perfect image of a Chinese propaganda poster
because they all looked like Chairman Mao and

939
01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:46.119
they had to start. Everything was
not North Korean, so I said,

940
01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:49.720
no, this is Chinese. Make
it North Korean. And it said,

941
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:54.680
oh, I'm sorry, let me
let me help you. But it it

942
01:09:54.760 --> 01:10:00.239
got really close and got really good, except it couldn't. It was always

943
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:03.880
a hamburger. Yeah, it's like
a weird hamburger with like a patty on

944
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:10.640
it and lettuce and tomato and then
a weird like brown thing on top,

945
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:14.279
like almost like there was a fried
chicken filet on top of a hamburger,

946
01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:17.159
which actually sounds a pretty good And
I had to get it to like,

947
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:21.279
please remove that thing above the patty, please make it you know, rye

948
01:10:21.399 --> 01:10:26.680
bread. And I finally sent it
a picture this is a Patty Melt,

949
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:29.520
and it said, thank you,
I will to add that to my knowledge

950
01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:33.239
base, and then it delivered me
a Patty melk. So that's the highest

951
01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:38.840
and best use of this incredible technology. It's just coming up with the funny

952
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:42.199
little picture that I thought of that
took you twenty minutes. Again, but

953
01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:46.000
again like getting to your point about
how the writers who already sound like chat

954
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:51.800
gipt you are in trouble. Yeah, It's like we are very far away

955
01:10:51.920 --> 01:11:00.239
from AI coming up with like if
you just said, give me something funny

956
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:03.279
about Patty melts, it is not
going to come up with a North Korean

957
01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:09.720
propaganda poster or worshiping Patty Melts,
right, And it is very far from

958
01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:14.439
doing that, right. So like
it's it can't make a joke. It's

959
01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:19.359
sort of like you know, on
Star Trek Next Generation, the scriptwriters they

960
01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:28.479
would put as a placeholder like technobabble
or something like that for when they needed

961
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:31.720
to talk about how the flex capacitors
weren't able to control the dilthium overview or

962
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:34.680
whatever, and they just fill that
stuff in later because it's it's kind of

963
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:39.279
meaningless. But there's an art and
you needed and you need a consistency to

964
01:11:39.399 --> 01:11:41.640
it, right, it needs to
because there's gonna be some nerd out there

965
01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:45.920
saying that's not how flex capacitors were, right, And besides, flex capacitors

966
01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:50.000
are from back to the future.
But like I could see chat GPT being

967
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:54.159
good at that. Give me language
about how di lithium crystals don't work,

968
01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:58.199
and it'll like because all chat GPT
is for the stuff that we do is

969
01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:01.199
a plagiarism machine. Right. It
doesn't actually create anything. It just it

970
01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:05.359
looks at the highest number of associations
of this word with that word within the

971
01:12:05.399 --> 01:12:09.199
parameters of the thing that you asked
it to do. Yeah, but I

972
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:12.119
wondered though, if you could hack
it, like if there if there was

973
01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:15.960
a worldwide human effort to hack it, like years ago when you when you

974
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:18.800
did a TV show or you just
shot at to TV pilot. They would

975
01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:23.720
especially for CBS. CBS spent like
ninety million dollars and built this testing facility,

976
01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:28.439
so like a focus group facility at
the MGM Grand Hotel in Las Vegas.

977
01:12:29.079 --> 01:12:33.319
And the theory was that pretty much
a crowd wandering the streets of Las

978
01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:36.720
Vegas or in the lobby of the
MGM Grand Hotel, if you scoop up

979
01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:40.079
some people and give him a free
slice of pizza, it's kind of representative

980
01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:43.279
of your audience. And so you
shoot a pilot and then you just take

981
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:46.119
it. They take it to this
testing facility and they would focus group it.

982
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:49.319
And this is the pome. Like
I've said this to the guy running

983
01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:51.720
in Paramount Studio at the time when
we did a pilot, I said,

984
01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:55.319
well, look, we spent two
and a half million dollars three million dollars

985
01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:59.119
in a pilot. Why don't we
spend two hundred thousand dollars in cash,

986
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:05.840
hire a bunch of people, send
three buses, you know, for the

987
01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:12.079
week into the MGM Grand, have
the mill around until somebody scoops them up.

988
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:15.760
And then if they they we find
that they're watching our pilot dials up

989
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:17.760
they only have twelve people, twelve
fifteen people, So like you're you only

990
01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:21.920
need three people in there to like
make it a giant hit. And his

991
01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:27.279
response was, Oh, that's crazy. And then thought, well, what

992
01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:33.439
what would it cost? And I
wonder whether if you had an underground system

993
01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:38.000
of people. It's like that old
Steve Martin choke, you know, whenever

994
01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:43.319
you're around a baby talk wrong,
Like what if they all just what if

995
01:13:43.359 --> 01:13:45.960
you said thank you? That is
correct? That is the Milton Friedman of

996
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:50.159
definition of prices. Oh. Also, do you have a picture of Milton

997
01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:56.479
Friedman and the antlers he had?
We have no pictures. Oh there's he

998
01:13:56.920 --> 01:13:59.600
wore antlers. You didn't know that, Ai. You know, he was

999
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:03.319
the our most famous Nobel Prize for
the economists with antlers. I cannot believe

1000
01:14:04.479 --> 01:14:09.439
the day that John Padortz isn't fine
glat. You were going full look at

1001
01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:14.840
the jew with his horns. Oh
well, I said antlers. Yeah,

1002
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:19.479
well, we know what you mean. It was a stag. We'll be

1003
01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:23.399
back to glop at a minute.
And I know we just I think Joan

1004
01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:27.720
and I talked about the fact that
we all had dinner together a few last

1005
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:31.520
week sometimes and there were there were
cocktails served, just so you know,

1006
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:34.199
there were cocktails served, and there
was some wines served, and then there

1007
01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:39.239
were some more cocktail served. So
it reminded me that I want to tell

1008
01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:43.239
you about a game changing product that
I use before a night out like that

1009
01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:45.479
with drinks. That's called z biotics. Because let's face it, after a

1010
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:48.159
night with drinks, I don't bounce
back the next day like I used to.

1011
01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:50.760
I have to make a choice.
I could either have a great night

1012
01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:54.560
with my friends like I did last
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we thank z Biotics for sponsoring this
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big dinner last week such a breeze. You know, I think about that

1041
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:54.279
kind of stuff all the time,
about like how it wouldn't take much to

1042
01:16:54.399 --> 01:17:00.239
tweak all sorts of things, right, And but at the same time,

1043
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:03.399
that's sort of why the Internet has
gotten worse in the last ten years.

1044
01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:09.520
Like I don't trust any Yelp reviews, I don't trust any of those four

1045
01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:15.079
star things, right because you know
that they're just being gamed out there.

1046
01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:21.720
And and like I think half the
time I'm being harassed on Twitter. Now

1047
01:17:23.680 --> 01:17:28.319
I'm not even being harassed by human
beings. There's just some bot that is

1048
01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:32.159
programmed to sat down again, right, Yeah, Like there's like there's like

1049
01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:39.319
one big fat dude in overalls and
a dirty T shirt somewhere running like fifty

1050
01:17:39.399 --> 01:17:44.479
different algorithms make the jew angry,
making you know whatever, and it just

1051
01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:47.439
running on autopilot while he's you know, playing angry birds or something or looking

1052
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:54.279
at porn. Yeah, I mean
why why uh, why put any effort

1053
01:17:54.319 --> 01:18:00.159
into it? Yeah, sort of
like this episode of glop effort. We

1054
01:18:00.279 --> 01:18:02.319
covered some big stuff here. We
did we didn't. Actually it was a

1055
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:06.960
pretty good one. I mean,
not that you're supposed to think of it

1056
01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:10.479
that way, but I always say
to people when you know, I say

1057
01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:14.560
that people like when they complain about
your dog stuff. It's like on Twitter,

1058
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:15.359
I want to say, like,
I'm sorry, how much did you

1059
01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:19.279
pay for this? I want free
entertainment the way I want it. Like,

1060
01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:21.479
no, you don't get free entertainment
the way you want it. That's

1061
01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:29.239
what that's what paid entertainments. And
I do want to apologize to our regular

1062
01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:35.119
listeners who are unaccustomed to hearing me
and Rob finish complete sentences. But you

1063
01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:40.760
know, there's a price you have
to pay when when well, the three

1064
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:44.399
is a you know, it's it's
like that movie Challengers. Three is always

1065
01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:47.399
complicated, that's right. What I
was going to say was like, uh,

1066
01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:50.039
and there is this. I mean, I don't don't expect you to

1067
01:18:50.079 --> 01:18:54.560
finish it now because it's it's it's
your story and I'm sure it's not fit

1068
01:18:54.720 --> 01:19:01.680
for general ears. But walking out
of the restaurant whatever last week, I

1069
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:04.560
thought to him myself, Wait a
minute, Jonan, never finished that story

1070
01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:09.159
that you started at the beginning of
dinner. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1071
01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:13.399
yeah, for a whole lot of
reasons. But also and I'm not going

1072
01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:16.000
to finish it now either. Now, no, of course I won't do

1073
01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:19.439
it, you know, like the
Russian and the Pine Barons, like what

1074
01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:24.720
story happened? What happens? Exactly
right? Exactly right? He's dead,

1075
01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:30.079
all right, I don't I think
I think we've run our course here.

1076
01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:36.439
John Podortz will be back in the
captain's chair, uh in due course and

1077
01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:40.319
h h, I sorry, I
have to obey the forms here, right,

1078
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:45.479
Rob are you appearing anywhere? And
then you're not appearing anywhere? But

1079
01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:49.159
I'm I'm available as always on Martini
Shot. So if you just subscribe to

1080
01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:53.199
Martini Shot, that's then you'll get
one hundred percent of me. And you

1081
01:19:54.680 --> 01:20:00.960
are a frequent contributor to commentary magazine? You actually tie a commentary or are

1082
01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:03.680
you just like a frequent contributor?
I have I have a column. I

1083
01:20:03.720 --> 01:20:11.439
think it's a column, but like, are you know that editor Matt Continey

1084
01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:15.560
has the most annoying title, at
least on the commentary podcast, because it's

1085
01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:21.159
like the Washington Commentary Commentary columnist or
something like that. It's like there's a

1086
01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:28.800
two uses of the word commentary,
one lower case one capital C. Well,

1087
01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:33.680
I mean I have to add to
that. In September, I'll just

1088
01:20:34.079 --> 01:20:39.319
demand to be called the I'm the
Jesus I cover the Jesus desk. There

1089
01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:44.159
you go. I like that.
Yeah, well obviously yes, as the

1090
01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:49.399
AI insists, and you the remnant
of course, but there's the Remnant you

1091
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:54.439
can catch, you know, on
all your better podcast feeds. And if

1092
01:20:54.439 --> 01:21:01.600
you want to sort of take Rob's
uh so Mary prankster spirit to heart about

1093
01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:06.560
like messing with things a lot of
you could go into things like iTunes and

1094
01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:15.159
give Blob and Martini Shot and the
Remnant blowing five star reviews. Where does

1095
01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:18.680
work? The problem is is the
only people willing to go do that are

1096
01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:23.760
the people who already want to give
it a five star review. Yeah,

1097
01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:26.800
people want to give it a one
star review. You're not going to convince

1098
01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:29.600
them if you ask really nicely to
go give it a five star review.

1099
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:34.000
So it kind of defeats the Purpose
And I'm on a CNN A bunch,

1100
01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:43.079
but what's your next CNN? I
don't know. I canceled this this coming

1101
01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:45.199
Chris Waller Show is supposed to be
on. But I have a family stuff

1102
01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:49.800
because my daughter's in town. And
sure, it's a very weird thing for

1103
01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:53.079
me to hear I's gonna say at
the beginning, I mean, we want

1104
01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:55.560
to run, But it's a very
weird thing still for me to hear you

1105
01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:59.199
say the words of my daughter's in
town, because in my brain she's always

1106
01:21:59.439 --> 01:22:02.000
she's ever going to grow up and
never have that little girl from the cruises.

1107
01:22:02.520 --> 01:22:08.000
Yeah, she's not ever gonna but
apparently you have failed. It's a

1108
01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:11.239
parent and she's grown up, and
she's actually she comes into town now,

1109
01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:15.239
yes that's correct. And uh and
she's actually going to be doing like some

1110
01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:18.399
intern stuff, I think the Tribeca
Film Festival this year. So maybe you

1111
01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:27.960
great good for her. And uh, that's it, So thanks for listening

1112
01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:32.199
and we will get back to normal. Uh. Three altacaccas sitting around eating

1113
01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:36.840
deli kind of conversation on the next
exciting episode of the Glot podcast. And

1114
01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:44.600
can I just say that John,
it's you can turn it off now it's

1115
01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:49.199
or can you or can you?
Three two one turns out. You know,

1116
01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:53.039
we kind of like having John around. He's pretty good. Yeah yeah,

1117
01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:55.800
I mean, oh wait, this
was on Oh my god. Everybody

1118
01:22:55.920 --> 01:23:00.279
heard it, including John John John
go now good things to do