WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:05.559 The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch Experience do not necessarily reflect 2 00:00:05.559 --> 00:00:09.720 the opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. 3 00:00:10.160 --> 00:00:19.519 As always, listener discretion is advised. We got someone or something growing around 4 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:28.320 out here? Does a legend walk among us working in the forests of our 5 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:34.960 world? Did you see what it was? Was it a person or an 6 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:38.039 animal? Or I can't go? Oh, I know that my thunder light 7 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:41.439 came on and I get happened to glim and see this thing running across the 8 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:44.920 yard. A good fight man or something looks like a man. I don't 9 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:53.840 know what it was. For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, 10 00:00:54.079 --> 00:01:00.000 researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to gain insight and proof around the exist 11 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:10.359 distance of this mysterious entity. Jesus, Hello, get somebody out here. 12 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:14.000 What's going to announce? There? Got a bittures about six foot right, 13 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:17.040 I don't know, easy announce there? Yeah, I'm walking right out. 14 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:23.400 Oh okay, and yeah, got it's bigger? Okay, what's he doing 15 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:36.000 in your yard? We're gonna do join us as we continue into the investigation, 16 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:59.799 of the Sasquatch Experience, and well here we are tonight, folks, 17 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:05.480 Squad Experience Monday, January eighth, twenty twenty four as a major system once 18 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:09.560 again hitting across the looks like the center of the country right now, vance 19 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:15.000 and starting to get hammered. Henry's off tonight due to some very bad weather 20 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:19.639 in Mississippi, so we wish him the best. But we have a good 21 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:23.199 guest for you tonight, and of course our menagerie of co hosts from all 22 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:28.319 over with varying experiences. It's going to be a good show tonight before we 23 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:32.960 get kicked off with our guests. Just a couple reminders social media Sasquatch Experience 24 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:38.479 on Facebook, Instagram, Squatch exp on X. Guys, got a lot 25 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:42.639 of stuff happened on X lately. I don't know what it is, but 26 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:46.680 folks like its. X has become a weird place. It's where all we 27 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:53.360 do ideas. But that's our people, that's our people. Yeah, and 28 00:02:53.960 --> 00:03:00.639 you know, w On Baker's chair still squeaking away. You can help support 29 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:04.199 the show and get Baker a better chair by going to Patreon and for his 30 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:07.879 little two dollars a month, support the show you don't have to, but 31 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:12.400 you get it mostly add free after the fact, so that's a pretty good 32 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:16.280 deal in itself. So guy, man, we got a good guest tonight, 33 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:20.360 as you can see down the bottom corner. Eli Watson, you know, 34 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:24.159 more famous than us, which I didn't think was possible. Eli is 35 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:29.719 a California native on the search for sasquatch and other worldly mysteries. He is 36 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:34.120 the host of the podcast Cryptid Campfire, a member of the Small Town Monsters 37 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:38.199 production team, featured in Mysteries and Monsters Beyond the Trail of Bigfoot and currently 38 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:43.759 working on Bigfoot Road to Discovery, now available on small Town Monsters on YouTube, 39 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:46.840 and his adventures have taken him to remarkable places, and tonight he joins 40 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:52.439 us on the Sasquatch Experience. Eli, thanks for taking the time and your 41 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:58.240 globe trotting down with us here tonight. Hey, well, thanks for having 42 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:01.479 me on. I want to give you guys props though this is probably the 43 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:08.000 most clever title. I can't believe no one's went for it yet, but 44 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:13.639 Sasquatch, my dear Watson, that's you, guys, hands down best. 45 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:17.399 That's all up here, buddy. It'll cost you if you want to use 46 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:24.680 it money. I give this work freel like, make that the title of 47 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:30.199 your book if you'd like to, you know, you can just put so. 48 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:32.480 Eli, We are really glad you joined us tonight. We have a 49 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.399 a lot of questions for you. But you know, more importantly, you 50 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:39.519 know, are you finally taking a little downtime, you're working on something else, 51 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.279 or you're just getting a little time to relax in between all these videos 52 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:49.480 Seth is making your sleigh away on I am taking I'm well, how do 53 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:54.199 I put this? I'm beginning to work on a new project. It's something 54 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:59.319 that all hopefully debut at Monsterfest. I don't want to say what it is 55 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:01.800 in case it does doesn't come, doesn't work out that way. You know, 56 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:06.720 things are always in flux until they're out, you know. Yeah, 57 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:12.720 so it's not Sasquatch related, but it is cryptid related. So it's something 58 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:17.639 I've filmed. Cool. Actually, a lot of the British Columbia content already 59 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:24.079 came out last November, but everything except for what I filmed that's been a 60 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:28.480 secret project for some months now, and by the time it comes out will 61 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:32.600 be more than a year. So wow, that's a that's a long time 62 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:36.040 from filming to to getting it out there. But no, I understand the 63 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:40.360 need for sequency, and you know your secret's safe with us, no winking, 64 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:45.360 gentlemen. But if you haven't checked it out folks on YouTube right now 65 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.680 you can go see Road to Discovery. I've liked that. You know, 66 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:53.560 you're chronicling what's going on up there in the nesting area with the Olympic Project. 67 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:57.519 How did you get before we jump into that, how did you get 68 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:03.600 into Sasquatch cryptozoology? What was your push into the field of study. Well, 69 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:13.000 it's remarkably not very special. I grew up in southern California, and 70 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:17.759 as you know, it's not Sasquatch country down here, although I have made 71 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:23.120 quite a few documentaries on that, But growing up I certainly hadn't heard of 72 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:28.759 sasquatch down here. But I grew up with shows like Monster Quest and Lost 73 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:33.120 Tapes and then later finding Bigfoot, And that's kind of I can't really point 74 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:36.959 to a moment where I can say this is where I learned about Sasquatch. 75 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:42.000 It just felt like something that I always knew about. There's sasquatch lockness, 76 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:46.920 monster in the Chubicabra for me, it was kind of the trinity, which 77 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:50.800 is weird because mostly most of the time people would say Sasquatch, Lockness, 78 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:55.920 and Mothman. But I wasn't really into Mothman being out here in California. 79 00:06:57.319 --> 00:07:02.040 And then in twenty eighteen, I was working at a movie theater and I 80 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:06.839 was got real close with someone there and we were just talking about Bigfoot all 81 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:11.240 the time, and I said we should start a podcast, and I remember 82 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:15.519 he just kind of laughed and walked away, and I was like, oh, 83 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.959 that's a well shot, my shot. And he came back a few 84 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.480 days later and was like, hey, I've been thinking about what you said. 85 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:27.399 We should we should start a podcast, And so we agreed we needed 86 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:31.959 one more person because we couldn't just you know, we wanted to appeal to 87 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:36.399 a broader audience than just you know, going straight into yeah, you know 88 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:41.199 Patterson Gimmelin film and stuff like that. We wanted to lead people into it. 89 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:44.439 So we wanted to bring someone else in, and so we brought in 90 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:47.199 Jasmine May with who's actually here in the chat tonight? I think the first 91 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:54.839 comment on Facebook and and also my girlfriend I should say that, but and 92 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:00.519 yeah, so that's how Cryptic Campfire came to be, and so so it 93 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.399 kind of started off as a hobby for me, and I found myself getting 94 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:11.399 really really into reading the books and really really just wanting to do interviews and 95 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:16.480 interviewing people. And then I interviewed Seth and I went to film school, 96 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:20.720 and I wanted to make films. I've always wanted to make films, wanted 97 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:24.399 to make films longer than I've wanted to look for Sasquatch. And when I 98 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:28.759 found out about Seth is when I found out that, oh, it's possible 99 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:35.879 I can make films and not be enslaved to the Hollywood system and make things 100 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.639 about make movies about what I want to make things movies about. And that 101 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:45.840 was when I did the podcast, the Crypticampfire Interview with Seth, and then 102 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:52.960 he invited me out to the On the Trail of Bigfoot the Discovery shoot in 103 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:56.440 April of twenty twenty one. So I flew out and did that and that 104 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:00.720 was my first time working with small town monsters. That led to me working 105 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.519 on Beyond the Trail. Now everything's coming full circle as I'm doing the kind 106 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:09.879 of sequel series to that movie with Road to Discovery. Yeah, it's really 107 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.639 good, and I like how you touch back on some of those subjects. 108 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.960 You know, I've known Seth a long time since he did Minerva, so 109 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.519 I've been a small Town Monsters fan and supporter before the first kickstarter, I 110 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:26.799 guess. So I've really enjoyed seeing all the different filmmakers come come in and 111 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:31.559 put their own little mark on the movies. And there are distinct stylization differences, 112 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:35.679 you know, And I think I appreciate what you're doing because what you 113 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:41.000 seem to be doing with this is really really documentary work. Like it's a 114 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:46.360 lot of if folks are expecting scary camera you know, camera work and music, 115 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:48.600 and they're not going to get that, they're really going to get I 116 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:52.559 think what maybe truly you and Alex both, I think you a little bit 117 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:58.000 more in this a true caste of what the research is really like. And 118 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:03.000 I think it's important people see that because you know, with Finding Bigfoot and 119 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:07.200 other shows, though they're great shows and people you can say what you want 120 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:11.440 to out there about them being entertainment, it puts asses in the seats. 121 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:13.919 So people want to watch the rest of the stuff we're putting out there, 122 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:16.399 and they they you know, it brings an audience in to listen. What 123 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:20.399 you do is distinct, and I really appreciate it as a as a researcher. 124 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.799 From a researcher's perspective, I think you're really showing what it's really like 125 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.559 out there. In fact, those guys go a lot harder than we do. 126 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:31.440 Don't don't let me fool you there. They they really are some remarkable 127 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:37.759 gentlemen in the Olympic and then ladies in the Olympic project. Mmm, well, 128 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:43.159 thank you. Yeah. That was the main goal for this series more 129 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:48.799 than anything else. I think it came just the way the show came together 130 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:54.600 and the scheduling of the filming, And it's different from anything else that I've 131 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:58.759 made, and you know, because I made mysteries and monsters for the majority 132 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:03.080 of last year, and that was I wanted it to feel like this big 133 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:09.240 epic adventure that you were learning along with me. And certainly that's one aspect 134 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:16.639 of it is this research can feel adventurous and spectacular, but I that show 135 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:22.000 is a lot to produce. It's a lot to kind of maintain that upbeat 136 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:26.960 feeling. And so with Road to Discovery, I wanted to pursue something more 137 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:33.639 relaxed, more grounded, and you know, I wanted to return to this 138 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:41.039 kind of old school vibe with it. You know, the I point to 139 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:46.120 the Sasquatch documentaries of the seventies and eighties and even the nineties, and they're 140 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.840 like a genre of their own because they don't really reflect the time period they 141 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:56.039 were made in. You watch Sasquatch Odyssey and compare it to like other documentaries 142 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.960 made in the nineties, and they're not the same. They're they're not. 143 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:05.960 It's like Sasquatch Odyssey is its own beast. So I kind of wanted to 144 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:13.759 replicate specifically those documentaries, and I mean it ended up becoming more or less 145 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:18.559 its own thing in the end, which it always does. But I'm I 146 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.519 was very worried at the release of the first episode that people would find it 147 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:28.320 boring because there isn't those big jump scares. There isn't any scary moments. 148 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:33.879 It's just a very informative thing. But those are not the le that you 149 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:39.120 really want involved in this whole genre to begin with. If they're there for 150 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:43.200 the jump scare, those aren't the people that you want in that in that 151 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:48.480 circle. You want the people in there that are really looking on the scientific 152 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:58.200 fact and looking for all this nuance evidence in my opinion, any right, 153 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:05.519 because I mean, yeah, that's a good point. You know, there's 154 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.440 a lot of this research and a lot of what you find is not exactly 155 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:13.600 the most exciting stuff in the world. But and what I really try to 156 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:18.399 paint a picture and road a discovery is that the sum of all the parts, 157 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:24.080 you know, is what makes it compelling. And you have, you 158 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:28.879 know, Chris Spencer's audio. If you take one audio file, that's not 159 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.960 going to convince anybody, just one sound, you know, But you have 160 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.399 all of this audio that's recorded over two years, plus a footprint find, 161 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.600 plus the nests themselves and plentiful reads, food sources, and you put all 162 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:46.080 of that together and suddenly it's like, oh, this points to something being 163 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:52.159 here. You know, the sum how would you say the parts the sum 164 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:58.159 is greater than the parts? Or is that the second butchering? But you 165 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.799 make a good point with that though, Like I learned so much from listening 166 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:09.919 to Chris talk about forrests and the ecosystem that those little tidbits and like somebody 167 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:16.440 said, the nuance, the nuance about it is what attracts me and if 168 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.399 I'm learning and I've been in this field a long time and I'm still learning 169 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:24.279 things and interested in that, there's still a market for that. And now, 170 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:28.039 Eli, you do have you are telling the story though with the personalities. 171 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.559 You know, You've got Shane, You've got Chris, you know, 172 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:35.720 you've got you know, Rebecca. I think they're really good people to have 173 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:37.200 on here because they do add a little bit to the story. You know, 174 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.679 you go back and you talked about Sasquatch Odyssey. You know, if 175 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:45.519 you took out the four horsemen of that documentary, what would it be yep, 176 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.799 right, And that was really I think the first documentary that didn't so 177 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:54.399 much associate with the subject as it is the people involved in the subject. 178 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.200 And you know, if you did something like that, now, man, 179 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:03.080 you've got the picks of you know, a cast of characters. You'd be 180 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:09.080 doing shows for years with all the interesting people in this field. So you 181 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:15.120 were at monster Fest last year you saw most of them, and that's you 182 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:16.360 know, there's a lot to work with and I think you're doing a very 183 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.480 good job of that. I've only seen the first two episodes, but they're 184 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.840 very strong and I hope it stays that way, and I do enjoy the 185 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:28.559 audio and the you know, the real tidbits that you're putting in there that 186 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:33.639 do tell the story of what's going on in that area. Thank you. 187 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:39.159 I appreciate that. Vance Baker, Matt, you guys got questions for you. 188 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.200 Loan Oh, I've got lots of questions, but I don't want to 189 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:48.200 hog the whole show. I wanted to save. I wanted to save one 190 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:54.840 question because Shane Courson is going to be on our show in February, and 191 00:15:54.879 --> 00:16:03.600 I brought this topic up a couple of shows on the Sasquatch experience. The 192 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:10.279 nesting site that you visited, I was rather curious, is it Could it 193 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:15.639 actually not be a nesting site, but perhaps maybe a burial site. And 194 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:22.240 I'm wondering if you even have given any consideration to that at all. Uh 195 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:30.159 hmm. It's funny. I would say the biggest blunder in my series so 196 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.360 far has been not to include, for whatever reason, what the Olympic Project 197 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:38.799 thinks that the nest site is. As far as a burial site, I'm 198 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:42.399 not sure if it could be. I can't say with one hundred percent certainty 199 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:48.559 that it's not, but I think the that I mean, the first nest 200 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.720 site that they found had seven nests in it, and I mean, I 201 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:57.159 don't know if that would mean that there's seven sasquatches buried there, but I 202 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:03.159 think what they think think it is, and Shane could probably explain it better, 203 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:08.359 is that it's probably a birth inside where they make the babies. Well. 204 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:14.480 And that's really interesting too, because I've often brought up the point of 205 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:19.799 a female human will give up a lot of screens while giving birth, and 206 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:26.000 I'm sure maybe then a female sasquatch would screen quite a bit in the dead 207 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.559 of night if giving birth, or during the day, and you're recording these 208 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:38.160 sounds, who's to say that that's not actually giving birth. There's so many 209 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:42.319 aspects to all of this that we don't have answers to, but boy, 210 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:48.400 it sure is interesting. You can point to the very fact that the nests 211 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:53.079 themselves are made out of huckleberry as opposed to any of the other plants there. 212 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:59.759 Huckleberry leaves were used by Huckleberry leaves were used by Native Americans, I 213 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:06.559 think, as to give two women during childbirth because it helps stop the bleeding. 214 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:11.160 And oh, so there's an interesting aspect going on there. Oh, 215 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:15.279 I didn't know that. You look at the the gap between when the two 216 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:18.920 nests were found, because there was the original nest site found in twenty fifteen 217 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:25.240 and then again found another nest site found in twenty twenty. Well, if 218 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:30.559 you're applying what we know about other apes to sasquatch, you would probably look 219 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:37.200 at orangutans because orangutans live mostly solitary lives, but then get together for childbirth, 220 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:42.119 and they give birth every four to eight years, So a gap of 221 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:47.799 five years would make sense in this scenario. You know, so they're not 222 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:51.680 building nests all the time, they're building them every few years when one is 223 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:56.799 born. So huh that sounds slid though, Yeah, right, right, 224 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:00.720 yeah, I don't. I mean, that's all them too, and Shane's 225 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:06.920 Shane will probably explain it way better than I can. But it's when I 226 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:08.559 heard it, I was like, well, I don't know what else it 227 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:17.039 could be, right, but now think about that. You're taking known science, 228 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:22.039 right, medicinal properties of plants, you're taking known gestations of apes, 229 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:26.880 and now you're wrapping it in to this unknown scientist. Is exactly what we 230 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.680 should be doing in this study right, and to me, that's that's incredibly 231 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:36.640 remarkable that we're able to draw these parallels. It's incredibly cool. And I 232 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:38.480 look, I you know, just that little tidbit you gave me. I'm 233 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:44.440 really looking forward to more of this eroaded discovery and seeing what the guys from 234 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:48.039 the Olympic Project are doing. Not that I'm k not going anybody else's research, 235 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:51.759 including our own mat but these guys are getting out there. You know, 236 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:55.880 they're rocking some you know some you know field time, they're making it 237 00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:57.880 happen, and then you got you know, Eli chronicling it all. It's 238 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:00.519 it's amazing. I can't wait to see. Are there going to be any 239 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.359 surprises, anything that's going to make us go when we watch this documentary. 240 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:11.039 How many episodes are there currently the back Well, the third one just came 241 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:17.440 out yesterday, and then there will be a fourth one coming out later this 242 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:22.359 month, and then at least five, at least six, and then I'm 243 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:25.920 going back out in March to film some more. So it's going to be 244 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:30.279 ongoing. As to how many there will be, I don't know because there's 245 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:36.119 a lot to cover, and you know, I will say the fourth episode 246 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:40.000 that comes out later this month. Is still about the Nest site, but 247 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:45.759 eventually I move on from the Nest site because they study different areas as well, 248 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:52.240 so we get into all the other stuff. And when I went out 249 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.839 there in September to film it, we spent two days out at the Nest 250 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:00.599 site and I said to them, oh, this will be a quick, 251 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:03.160 you know, follow up to the movie, like what have you guys been 252 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:07.400 doing since then? And instead, you know, just one episode about the 253 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:15.160 nests and instead it's turned into four. Well, don't knock it, you 254 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:18.119 know, it's it's creating content and that's what it's all about. Matt Baker. 255 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.720 You guys got any questions? Yeah, you know what I just caught 256 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:30.400 like a real quick bit of this on one of your documentaries. But could 257 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:36.079 you give us the whole story about the mouse camp? Oh, Miles, 258 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:41.319 yeah, mouse camp? Yes, no, Miles Right. Well, back 259 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:48.759 in April of twenty twenty one, during my first shoot of Small Town Monsters, 260 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.039 it was me and Alex and we were camping down at the Nest site 261 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:57.000 and they had made that camp, you know, and all of this is 262 00:21:57.079 --> 00:22:02.839 like logging tear. There's no trails, there's nothing, so they kind of 263 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:06.599 cleared out an area where it was flat enough for us to camp, and 264 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:11.559 they didn't have a name for it. And as the story goes, because 265 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:17.559 I was asleep for the whole thing is I went to bed before everyone else 266 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:22.640 did because I was tired. I had actually gotten sick. So we spent 267 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:29.519 I flew into Washington, me and Alex drove up to Rainier, walked around 268 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:33.000 in the snow, and then we came to the nest site and it was 269 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:36.920 raining. And when I woke up the next morning, I was sick. 270 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:41.599 And I was sick for the rest of the trip and brutal to camp and 271 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:47.720 be like congested and coughing sucks. And I was also trying to like impress 272 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:51.799 Seth and Alex and try to get a job, so I'm like pushing myself 273 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:57.039 really hard, you know. So on the second night, I went to 274 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:02.279 bed before everyone else because I was just I was exhausted, and I laid 275 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:07.400 down. An hour or two later, I guess Alex unzips the tent and 276 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:14.000 there's a mouse trying to climb out. The mouse had been trapped inside the 277 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:19.440 tent with me, and so the as a way to poke fun at me, 278 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:23.559 the members of the Olympic Project decided to call it mouse Camp. Oh 279 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:29.440 my god, mm, don't feel bad, Eli, Baker misses most of 280 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:33.720 our shenanigans on camping trips when he takes his allergy medicines and passes out and 281 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:41.200 he misses everything, sleeps ask watching counter once he takes it as long as 282 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:44.720 as long as it doesn't wake up in the middle of night, starts staring 283 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:51.279 at me and I'm pretty good, right. Question jar from Jeremiah Eli. 284 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:55.880 He wants to know what is your favorite part of the Drumming for Bigfoot documentary? 285 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:03.400 Yeah, the Drumming for Bigfoot documentary. Well, I for anyone who 286 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:07.960 doesn't know, Drumming for Bigfoot is a documentary I think, also made directed 287 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:15.680 by Peter Vaughan Putkammer, who also who made Sasquatch Odyssey, and both documentaries 288 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:26.000 feature Henry Franzoni very prominently. And here's what's funny is gosh it would have 289 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:33.839 been September of twenty twenty one. I interviewed Henry Franzoni on camera and I 290 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:40.920 didn't know anything about him and drumming for Yeah, Drumming for Bigfoot is not 291 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:44.799 the official name. I think. I think the documentary is just called Bigfoot, 292 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:51.680 if I'm not mistaken, Hello Todd. When I had actually spent the 293 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:56.160 night before at Chris Spencer's house with Rebecca Slick and Yeah and Chris, and 294 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.440 I told them that I was going to go interview for Franzoni, and they 295 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:04.519 showed me for the first time drumming for Bigfoot, and I was like blown 296 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:11.400 away. But the number one thing that got me was how Franzoni himself says 297 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:22.519 Sasquatch. He says Sasquatch and he still says it like that today. Sasquatch. 298 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:26.839 Is he from you know, Connecticut? No? Oh, yeah, 299 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:33.640 I cry, who knows, right, let me read it. I just 300 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:38.559 bought his book and I've known since like way before all this. There was 301 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:44.440 like a virtual internet Bigfoot conference, and I've known Henry a long time. 302 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:48.039 So I have his book and I'm looking forward to checking it out and reading 303 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.839 it. He's an interesting cat, guys. If you're not familiar with him, 304 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:59.640 check him out. Definitely change some views over the years. Any other 305 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.039 question from you, guys. We do have to take a quick break because 306 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:06.680 I told Seth Edwin this commercial, so wit go in a minute. Let's 307 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.960 go ahead, thirty two seconds, fifty eight seconds, and we'll be right 308 00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:14.680 back hold on. The next Small Town Monsters Kickstarter launches on February first of 309 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:18.960 twenty twenty four. 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After that brief commercial, 325 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.519 welcome back Sasquatch Experience, Sean Palker, James Baker, Matt Arner, Vance 326 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:51.319 Nesbitt, also known as Chatty Cathy, and our guest tonight, Eli Watson. 327 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:56.240 I did take this g enormous, obnoxious, sound isolating thing coconut off 328 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:02.880 my love cup of my microphone so we could go back to something a little 329 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:07.640 bit more normal looking, and I'm glad you're here focused a little bit better 330 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:14.440 too. Good. That's important. How that worked? I really don't thing 331 00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:17.599 anyhow, back to the important thing. Our guest tonight, Eli Watson, 332 00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:23.240 joining us the creator producer of Bigfoot Road to Discovery. We've been talking about 333 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:27.680 that for just a few moments here. You know what, Eli, I 334 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:32.559 guess my question for you would be what keeps you going? Now you've been 335 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:37.559 out in the field, you've been doing you know, what keeps you attached 336 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.000 to this? Missie? There has to be something that keeps you focused and 337 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:51.759 wanting to keep doing this uh money not working at a convenience store by far 338 00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:56.519 the best job I've ever had. I don't know, to be honest, 339 00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:03.480 that the Sasquatch subject is a strange thing to me, because this has happened 340 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:08.559 at least twice now in my life to where I'll become really burnt out on 341 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:12.319 the topic and I'll hate it, and I'll hate Bigfoot and I'll hate everyone 342 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:18.200 in it. And then the stars aligne and I'm sent on a quest in 343 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:23.359 the Pacific Northwest and suddenly everything flips and I'm in love with Sasquatch again. 344 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.359 And every time that I don't, I don't, and I get deeper and 345 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:32.559 deeper into it that way. And so it's like every time I begin to 346 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:36.519 try to get away from this, it sucks me back in. And it's 347 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:40.440 I guess that's what they would call the curse of Sasquatch, right, It 348 00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:45.160 will take over your life. So in many instances you're correct on that I've 349 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:49.920 had my my spells away and have somehow found a way to get drawn back 350 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.920 into it, usually in some sort of really cool sighting report that's happened locally, 351 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.279 or somebody reaches out one day and says, hey, we got something 352 00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:00.519 we really want you to look at. And then then thing, you know, 353 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.000 it's been three or four years and your back rade to where you started. 354 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.799 Oh yeah, I know for a fact at some point in my life, 355 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.799 because I'm twenty five, it'll probably happen at some point, or I'll 356 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:17.400 swear off Bigfoot forever and then I'll go hiking outside and I'll see one. 357 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:23.240 Yeah, you know, right right, That's how it works. Kind of 358 00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:29.599 leading into that. Now, there's a couple of encounters that we saw that 359 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:33.680 you kind of went through in the in the series. You know. The 360 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.680 one that that really kind of came to mind was when you and Alex were 361 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.480 out in Utah. And I believe that you have to, you know, 362 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:47.680 something pretty close to you. Guys, what has been, whether it's on 363 00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:52.079 camera, off camera, your best experience that you've had or the best encounter 364 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:57.720 that you've had out there. Hmm. I guess for me, the two 365 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:06.960 most notable encounters happened in the same year in twenty twenty one. One was 366 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.839 in Bluff Creek, California, and the other one was in Utah. And 367 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.079 I don't know, I guess it would be the one in California because of 368 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:23.920 just how wild it felt, and that was really the first time I heard 369 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:30.640 knocks in person. And so we went up to this location called Laired Meadow 370 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.160 up in Bluff Creek, and Roger Patterson had been there, and you know, 371 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:37.519 all the big timers had been to Laired Meadow and casted tracks and casted 372 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.920 what they believed to be Patty's tracks up there as well, and it was. 373 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:47.839 It was Me, Alex Tait, Hieronymous, Jonathan Easiley, Ron Reid, 374 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:52.359 and a couple other people from the Bluff Creek Project. And so we 375 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.319 kind of split up into three teams to where we had Ron, Ron Reid, 376 00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.240 his dog Bandit, and a bunch of other people out on the main 377 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:05.799 road. Me Alex or Me and Jonathan easily went out to this like patch 378 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:10.599 of trees out in the middle of the meadow, and Tate and Alex went 379 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.039 into the woodline on the far side of the meadow and kind of the goal 380 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.680 was to get you know, situated, wait out for a few minutes, 381 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:23.240 and then Alex's group in my group would do knocks back and forth to each 382 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:28.240 other, which I think is an interesting approach. You know, I don't 383 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.799 know if a single one off knock would really work as much as like having 384 00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:36.720 two knocks, you know, to respond to each other, because I mean, 385 00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:38.680 you got to ask the question, if they're doing knocks, what are 386 00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:44.200 they knocking too? You know, they're not just doing it. So we 387 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.119 did a couple knocks back and forth to each other, and then Alex and 388 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:53.240 Tate said that they had something thrown at them from behind, either a branch 389 00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:58.759 broke or a rock was thrown at them from behind. And then I guess 390 00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:04.799 from where I was facing, Alex and Tate were off this direction, and 391 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.960 then the road was off over here, and from the direction of the road, 392 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:15.559 it just like exploded and there was like five or six knocks. We 393 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:22.319 were like, what the heck just happened, and so we kind of waited 394 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:28.960 around and nothing else happened, and then we saw Ron Reid and everyone else 395 00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.279 coming from down the road this way, not from where the knox had come. 396 00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:37.680 The knocks came from where the cars were, but everyone else apparently had 397 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.359 walked down the road, and so we're not no one was at the cars 398 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.240 when those knocks happened. So everyone went back to the cars and left, 399 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:51.599 and us four we stayed. We went back out on the main road, 400 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:53.720 and we just kind of stayed and we listened for a minute. And it 401 00:33:53.839 --> 00:34:00.240 was really bizarre because it was a full moon, so we could see up 402 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.079 and down the road, but you know, under the trees, it's real 403 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.880 dark because of the shadows. And we heard something take a few steps on 404 00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:13.039 the right hand side, and then something take a few steps on the left 405 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.360 hand side, and then it kept going and getting closer and closer to us. 406 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:22.559 And that was actually the first time I was actually like getting nervous because 407 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:27.079 there was something there, and you know, it's not a bear, it's 408 00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:31.480 not a mountain lion. There's two things paralleling us getting closer, taking turns 409 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:37.079 on the side of the road, and that Alex actually went out and spoke 410 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:42.440 to it and he said something and that's when it stopped. And we didn't 411 00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.920 even hear it leave. It just stopped. And so I don't know if 412 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.039 they left or I mean, we stayed there for probably another half hour, 413 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.920 nothing happened, didn't even hear so I don't know what would have happened if 414 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:58.480 Alex hadn't said anything, or or what, you know, I just don't 415 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.519 know. But it freaked me out, was that the same was that the 416 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:07.719 same night that the you guys recorded the whoop Yeah where the dog. The 417 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:14.039 dog was acting really kind of funky. Yeah, yeah, he got separated 418 00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:19.760 because actually, you know what's funny is Ken Gerhard showed up earlier that day 419 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:25.079 and he had been doing he was part of that Trinity Alps giant Salamander expedition, 420 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.079 and I guess they just decided to come to Bluff Creek because they weren't 421 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:35.679 finding any giant salamanders. And we were walking kind of the road looking at 422 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.880 the location where Jerry crew would have found tracks, and I guess Bandit went 423 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:45.039 off and roamed by himself, which I guess is something that he does and 424 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.599 then he always comes back just fine, but this time he came back tail 425 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.880 tucked between his legs and was just freaking out, you know. And then 426 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:59.480 we got back to camp and Jonathan easily filmed himself and that's when a whoop 427 00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:04.880 happened during he was filming that, and I think someone else said that they 428 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.880 hurt a knock or something, but I can't remember. But yeah, there 429 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:14.199 was just weird things happening, but kind of disparate, and like even though 430 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.039 we're there for Sasquatch. None of us were really like putting all the pieces 431 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:22.119 together, you know, so it's just kind of bizarre. But yeah, 432 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.960 that was the same night, so something wrong with them. It's real funny 433 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.079 how that happens. You know, you're out there with the express purpose and 434 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:36.039 intent of trying to solicit some sort of activity and that it happens and you 435 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:40.519 find yourself completely unprepared on your work. It's what happened to me. It's 436 00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.199 just happened to others. So you're you're not in a an island upon yourself 437 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:51.199 in that one. It's happened to the best of us, and it's you 438 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.960 know, it's just one of those damn things that makes you empathize with our 439 00:36:54.039 --> 00:37:00.679 witnesses even more that when they experience something and sometimes with experience far more dramatic 440 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:07.039 than what you or we've experienced, and you know, we expect to be 441 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:12.920 able to get so much info out of them. It's really difficult to you 442 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:15.639 know, sometimes bring them into it and you have to get that on video. 443 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:17.800 Is that ben a challenge to you? At times you get people that 444 00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:21.280 are so emotional you got to shut it down and you have to give them 445 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:22.599 time or you know, how do you deal with that on a shoot. 446 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:32.440 I haven't dealt with that completely, I guess, mostly because I haven't been 447 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:37.559 around anything too too dramatic. I guess. Well, I kept thinking about 448 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:42.679 this and how strange it was. I guess. I don't know. I 449 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.440 don't know what I'm trying to say here, but I haven't had to deal 450 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:51.119 with it. There is something I'm anticipating talking to a couple people about in 451 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:58.840 regards to Road to Discovery that will probably be very dramatic, and I don't 452 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:05.559 know how well of an interview it's going to be, right, But I 453 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:10.360 also haven't interviewed anyone who was like or who have had a sasquatch experience recent 454 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:15.280 so recently that they were still very very moved by it, you know, 455 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:20.039 it's always been a couple of years have passed and things like that, and 456 00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:24.760 so they're able to kind of control that emotional response to it. But it's, 457 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:30.320 uh, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what it would 458 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.880 be like if I saw it, you know, I haven't seen one, 459 00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:43.159 so but if I might poop myself or something, I don't know, all 460 00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.880 right, right, understandable, I don't know if that is all your question, 461 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:55.880 but well, yeah, I get it. I kind of wanted to 462 00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:01.239 take things a little bit different direction here, a little bit more lighthearted. 463 00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:10.199 Eli. I'm thirty years plus, you're senior. I appreciate the fact of 464 00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:15.840 what you do. But what I appreciate one of the one thing that I 465 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:23.199 appreciate greatly when you do these videos with small town monsters. It's the good, 466 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:28.079 bad, and ugly pancho that you wear. Dude, that is so 467 00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:31.360 bad ass. In my world, I just can't get enough of this. 468 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:37.239 I'm like, I'm looking at guys geared up in you know, twenty twenty 469 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:43.000 three, twenty twenty four, all their gear, and here's Eli. He's 470 00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.159 got a poncho on, and I'm just waiting for you to throw that thing 471 00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:51.400 over your shoulder and pull out a forty four and say no, I'm the 472 00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:58.480 ruler of the day right now. And you might laugh. But you know 473 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:06.079 what some finds it's old school stuff that is the most deficient in what it 474 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:12.360 is that you're doing. And I give you total kudos for that whole that 475 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:21.159 whole idea of going into that environment with that that that makes my day. 476 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:24.840 I love to see that. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that that 477 00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:36.760 that poncho is alpaca. Mm hmm and hm. I got that actually on 478 00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.159 the same trip of the story I just told. We drove up to Oregon 479 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:45.280 right after we did that documentary big Foot Mountain it's called, and we went 480 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:50.480 up to government camp there on Mount Hood and there was all these vendors there 481 00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:53.360 and I saw a poncho and I saw that poncho and I was like, 482 00:40:53.679 --> 00:41:00.679 I want it, and I bought it and for a decent price too, 483 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.639 and the owners actually took a picture of it. They asked me what I 484 00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:08.199 did for a living, and they were enthralled that I looked for bigfoot. 485 00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:13.599 They loved it. They put it on their website as a bigfoot hunting poncho 486 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:21.719 in my picture together that way, that's awesome. All that comes together. 487 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:28.639 M My biggest takeaway from this interview, vance is that you're impressed with Eli's 488 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:36.960 outfits. Dude, I have since the first time I saw him on any 489 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.800 of these that poncho, and I'm like, dude, that is so bad. 490 00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:44.679 I would do that. I just don't know if I've got the balls 491 00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:49.960 to do it. But Eli does it and it fits imperfectly me. I 492 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.960 probably look like a moron doing it, but you would he like doing it. 493 00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:59.559 No, I could just see him throwing that poncho over his left shoulder 494 00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:01.960 and pull am out of forty four and say, yeah, really you want 495 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:07.000 to f with me? Okay, let's go. I'm more likely to pull 496 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:12.960 out a forty five. Doesn't matter, Yeah, does didn't matter. It's 497 00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:19.440 just that that's part of the that's part of the whole environment of what it 498 00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:24.920 is that you're doing, and that's that helps build the whole case of what 499 00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:31.480 it is that you're trying to discover. Actly have fun while doing this, 500 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:36.760 and you can see it and what you do. And I think that's also 501 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.360 an important element that we lose sometimes and all this, that this should still 502 00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:44.079 be about fun as much as it should be about discovery science. You should 503 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.320 still have that element of fun about it. Yeah. One more thing about 504 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:52.320 Vance's question is I don't know if I could pull off the the bald head 505 00:42:52.480 --> 00:43:02.480 Robert Morgan. Look, now you're doing more of a clast. You've got 506 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:07.280 more of the clinic East would think going on. I'll give you that the 507 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:12.719 memes are going to start flying tomorrow now. Of I'm sure, Yeah, 508 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:21.960 I'm sure. They are. Now who keeps saying that there's not enough evidence 509 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.119 for the exits a big foot. You're out there, you're doing this. 510 00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:30.079 What do you say to them they're not I wish I could say they're not 511 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:37.039 paying attention. But it's not that it's there. There is evidence out there. 512 00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:43.559 I don't think people are coming forward enough with it. I guess like 513 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:47.000 one of the things with this series Road to Discovery is that, sure, 514 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:51.559 the members of the Olympic Project might have talked about some of this stuff on 515 00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:55.239 a podcast, but there's they've given me access to footage that's never been seen 516 00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:00.079 by the public before, you know, and it's and going through it and 517 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:05.119 placing it in chronological order and stuff, and it's like what you guys are 518 00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:09.920 finding stuff that's even more incredible than what you guys have been saying on podcasts 519 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:15.559 and shows and stuff like that. But it just requires I don't want to 520 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:20.000 sound conceded, but it requires the right person to tell it, you know. 521 00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:24.320 And because presentation is everything no matter what it comes to, you know, 522 00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:29.760 even if you're presenting sasquatch evidence, there's still a bit of marketing when 523 00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:32.079 it comes to it. You still need to present it in a way that 524 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:37.360 makes sense, a way that's logical, easy to follow, in a way 525 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.480 that will quite frankly, convince people that this is real. And again it 526 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:45.400 comes down to it's not. You can't just look at one piece of evidence. 527 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:47.039 If you look at one footprint, anyone can say, oh, it's 528 00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:51.559 fake. If you look at a thousand footprints, it's harder to say that. 529 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.199 If you look at a thousand footprints and fifty audio files, one video, 530 00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.599 couple photographs, you know, and suddenly you're building a case. So 531 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:07.400 I think, I guess it's not quite an answer to your question, but 532 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:13.679 I think what we as Sasquatch researchers need to do is to either publish a 533 00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:20.800 book or create something that just displays the evidence of what we've found so far. 534 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:23.719 And I guess you know, one thing I will say that is a 535 00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:29.480 step in the right direction is Chris Spencer's audio project, because he's working with 536 00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:36.800 squatchro Metrics and they're putting together a report of all the audio that Chris recorded 537 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.679 over a two year period in the nest site. And so I mean, 538 00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:45.559 what you have is a very small amount of suspicious audios. They'll call it. 539 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:50.119 They don't call it, you know, sasquatch audio because he didn't see 540 00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:54.719 a sasquatch make the sound, So you know, you can't say that that's 541 00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:59.760 what it is. It's suspect audio. So but that's a step. We 542 00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:05.039 need more things like that. So I love how that's presented by the way 543 00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:10.960 the just the correlation of data and the squadron metrics. It's again when you 544 00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:15.480 talk about presentations on the presentation, I think it's articulated very well. Go 545 00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:22.679 ahead, man, So you have been to some of the most remote places 546 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:30.480 in the United States. You've been up to Canada, Alaska. Where are 547 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:37.920 some of those international go to places that you would love to go and investigate. 548 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:45.960 M definitely would love to get to Nepal and look for the Eddie up 549 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:52.480 there and kind of retrace the steps of Tom Slick and Peter Burn and those 550 00:46:52.559 --> 00:47:01.519 expeditions that the unfortunate unfortunately named Slick Johnson expeditions. I know, right, 551 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.199 yeah, yeah, but that you know they went to the r Run Valley. 552 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.559 I think it's called the Run Valley, and that I would love to 553 00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:16.480 go there, I guess. I don't know. Lake monsters aren't necessarily my 554 00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:21.320 thing, but you know, luck nests is obviously a place I've never been 555 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.280 to. Would love to get out there. Oh, Australia. I've been 556 00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:28.599 thinking about the Yawi a lot lately. I would love to get out there, 557 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:32.840 especially because, yeah, there's reports of Yawi nests having been found, 558 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:40.039 so I would love to take a look at that. And then it's I've 559 00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:45.199 been thinking about the map Inguari a lot as well and whatever that is. 560 00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.840 And I know there's people who look into that, and so you know, 561 00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:53.280 I'm half Solvadorian, half Central American, you know, so it's like I 562 00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:58.960 feel like I could blend in that culture well enough to where I can get 563 00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.039 in and you know, start looking for that as well. You know. 564 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:07.400 So that's what I would say. Those places a lot of things out And 565 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:14.320 then yeah, that's my hesitation from going out is all the things that can 566 00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.760 kill you out there. That takes some cojones, my friend. I'm I'm 567 00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:23.360 more worried about more than anything, if I were to go to South America 568 00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:29.199 and look for the map in quarry. Because funny enough, Shane Corson was 569 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.920 just down here in so Cow not too long ago, just before Christmas, 570 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:38.320 and we went to the San Diego Zoo and one of Shane's favorite animals is 571 00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:45.280 are snakes. And I'm not a fan of snakes, but we spent a 572 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:52.719 lot of time. We spent a lot of time at the Reptile House, 573 00:48:52.960 --> 00:49:00.239 and you know, I'm there looking at these like micro enclosures of like many 574 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:01.639 forests and stuff, and I look in there and I'm like, oh, 575 00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:06.440 I don't see the snake. Shane's like, there it is. And then 576 00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:10.719 you see this twelve foot long snake curled up in the corner or up in 577 00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:15.440 a tree, and it's like, oh yeah, by the way, it's 578 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:20.400 you know, venomous and it's got poisonous skin, and it's like, yeh 579 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:22.599 see, I would have just died right now. I would have looked down 580 00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:30.239 and safe died, you know. So yeah, that's what I'm nervous about 581 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:36.320 is really jungly places. You know, like it's a real fear yep, 582 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:42.440 but you know, people survive down there, So people do it somehow. 583 00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:46.559 They do. You're right, You're right, they do. Rattle are my 584 00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:54.440 biggest concerned Matt and I's research area happens to be also close to the last 585 00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:59.760 place there was a fatality from a rattlesnake bite in Pennsylvania, So that, 586 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.800 you know, just gets my blood pumping even more when we're out there. 587 00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:13.079 Warning at least they're courteous sometime sometime. Yeah, I love that one there. 588 00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:17.920 The guy was actually getting firewood at night and he stuck his hand into 589 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.320 the wood in the and the rattlesnake struck him. So yeah, we're we're 590 00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:30.119 super super careful when we go up there. That's crazy. Yeah yeah yeah, 591 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:31.639 So how can we get you out with it? Eli, Yeah, 592 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.239 come on down to our neck of the woods and dodge the rattlesnakes with us. 593 00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:46.119 Honestly, I would go, I just buy snakes. I'm good, 594 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:50.920 I'm all, I'm all set up for this. Scott says, Chris's work 595 00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:54.239 is excellent. He has put so much work into an extremely tedious project, 596 00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:59.480 but great data. Yeah, absolutely, it's I really concur with that. 597 00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:02.199 And you have more experience other than we do, Youl. Yeah, I 598 00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:09.119 mean Chris has an obsessive personality. He will sit there for hours on end 599 00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:17.119 and go through audio and I don't know if I could do that. Order. 600 00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:22.239 Yeah, it is all order, but I've noticed it in myself, 601 00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:28.159 and I think every researcher has it. There's some aspect of it that's obsessive 602 00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:30.440 in some way, right, you know, even just the fact that we 603 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:35.840 keep coming back to the topic of Sasquatch. You know, how much of 604 00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:40.159 that is us subconsciously wanting to get back to something that we know and scratch 605 00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:44.320 that itch, and how much of that is the Sasquatch curse? I don't 606 00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:50.039 know, but you know, I you know, history, archival data, 607 00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:55.119 that's my that's my bag. I love going through people's different accounts and stuff. 608 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:59.239 You know. One of the things I'm actually kind of trying to work 609 00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:07.079 on now is piecing together what happened during the nineteen sixty Bluff Creek expedition where 610 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.400 John Green, Reneda Hindon, Peter Burn, Ivan Sanderson, and Tom Slick 611 00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:15.639 were all there in Bluff Creek and there was no official account of it, 612 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:21.400 but there are bits and pieces throughout John Green's writings, Peter Burn's writings, 613 00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:27.000 to Hindon's writings, Sanderson's writings, and I'm trying to collect those all and 614 00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:30.039 kind of piece together what happened, because I know what happened is everyone got 615 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:35.880 together and it was extremely optimistic, and then everyone left hating each other, 616 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:40.000 so right, exactly, I was just going to ask if that's the one 617 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:46.760 where everybody left and we know absolutely nothing if they found anything on that trip 618 00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:55.760 besides the fact they hated each other. Yeah, so kind of in that 619 00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:00.719 same vein here, And I'm gonna ask this question in honor of our host, 620 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:07.119 who cannot be here tonight, Henry May. Is if you were going 621 00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:12.199 out to say like Area A, and you have no internet service, you're 622 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.639 gonna be up there for two weeks, three weeks? What books? What 623 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:19.519 big foot books are you bringing up to read? Ooh, good question. 624 00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.400 The one I'm reading right now. Actually, I would highly recommend, which 625 00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:34.119 is map Pruit's The Phenomenal SaaS great book, very good and I can't understate 626 00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:39.920 I can't overstate that enough. It's extremely well written, and I've recommended it 627 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:45.679 to a couple of people who uh well. Back in September, I was 628 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:51.639 also mixing around with a group of people who are not of this Sasquatch world, 629 00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:55.280 and everything I did to them seemed extremely bizarre, and the only thing 630 00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:59.599 I could do was recommend them this book. Book. I said, this 631 00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:04.800 book is it will convince you. If you're a skeptic, it will convince 632 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:09.960 you. So that one probably Sasquatch The Apes among Us by John Green. 633 00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:15.000 It's also fantastic reed, and I don't know if I had to pick one 634 00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.760 more, man, I don't know that you would have to, I mean, 635 00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:29.719 improve it. They definitely capitalized on being able to encapsulate the entire genre 636 00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:34.840 of the whole Bigfoot thing to begin with. So yeah, I totally agree 637 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:39.199 with what it is that you're saying. Without Yeah, I guess I don't 638 00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:43.119 know if you said this in the question, but if I were to bring 639 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:46.320 a third book, it would be it would have to do something with the 640 00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:52.519 region itself that I was in. Okay, you know, so no, 641 00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:57.320 very good answer to that question. Yeah, guys, we've hit that point. 642 00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:01.639 Well, we do have one more question, Eli Jasmine says, tell 643 00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:08.639 them about the coat you want to buy. Yes, there's a mountain town 644 00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:15.599 up near me that sells coats and flannels and things like that, and I 645 00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:21.719 bought a flannel from them years ago, and it's really nice flannel. You 646 00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:23.440 know, it's like it was like sixty bucks, so you know, it's 647 00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:30.679 like high quality stuff and it's lasted me taking it on every single expedition. 648 00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:35.159 I wear it if it gets cold. It's just a. It just I 649 00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:37.719 mean, it's a basic pattern, red and black. You know, we've 650 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:44.000 all seen it, yep, yep. And I was in there just recently 651 00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.440 around Christmas time because it kind of have a nice Christmas vibe going on up 652 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:53.039 there. And went in there and saw this rain coat that's like it's got 653 00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.519 straps for your legs so it won't get tangled up in bushes and stuff, 654 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:04.199 and it's got not one, but two concealed carry holsters built into the jacket. 655 00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:08.280 I was like, whoa, you know? Pocket nice? I like 656 00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:14.440 that. I mean, it's it's it's a really nice jacket, and you 657 00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:20.800 know, it's three hundred dollars, but you know it's gonna last like thirty 658 00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:25.800 years, you know. And I don't have I wouldn't even say it's a 659 00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:29.840 jacket. It's more like a trench coat. You know. It covers your 660 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:35.239 entire body like a duster. Like a duster. It's it's Western in style. 661 00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:42.840 So I'm continuing the Western trend here and getting a nice thick duster jacket 662 00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:46.480 that'll keep me dry when it's wet out. Well, they're having folks. 663 00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:51.639 They answer to the question everybody wanted to know, you've been listening to the 664 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.920 Sasquatch Experience with our guest tonight, Eli Watson. Eli, any final words 665 00:56:54.960 --> 00:57:00.360 of wisdom for the listeners out there. I want to say thanks for everyone 666 00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:04.519 for tuning in and this has been a fun show. And go watch Road 667 00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:09.280 to Discovery if you haven't check out. We all have to Discovery and if 668 00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:13.360 you're a squad member you get to see it in four K, which means 669 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.840 it looks even better. So get out there and check it out and a 670 00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:22.440 free and vance man. Anything else from you now? I think there's a 671 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:28.000 great night. Yep. Keep doing what you're doing. Eli. I have 672 00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:31.519 a lot of envy when I go to work on a forty hour work weekend, 673 00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:36.679 I'm like, how does how does Eli do this? This is crazy? 674 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:39.639 He's living the life I want to live. So good for you, 675 00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:46.039 man, I'm so happy for you, and I watch everything that you have 676 00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:53.000 done. I've watched everything that you and Seth have put together, and boy, 677 00:57:53.599 --> 00:58:00.480 it is so fulfilling. It is very entertaining and it is very INFORMEDIV. 678 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:05.599 So kudos to you, sir, well, thank you. Yeah. 679 00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:09.800 I definitely Eli. We we have so much respect for for you, for 680 00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:14.880 Alex. You know, really, I think you know, with your on 681 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:20.639 the Trail series with the two of you, really elevated you know, the 682 00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:28.239 uh, the whole you know, education and documentary film style that we really 683 00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:31.079 need for this field. And you know, you guys are great. So 684 00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:36.920 and I've said this many times before, I said, I said, in 685 00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:39.440 the next like five years, it's going to be people going out there with 686 00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:45.000 the with the high end cameras that are going out in the wild, such 687 00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:49.559 as you and Alex that hopefully, you know, we get some great proof 688 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.039 from you guys. So please, you know, keep doing what you're doing. 689 00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:58.079 And uh and and again we we give you much respect you. I 690 00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:01.440 hope that would be cool to film they've foot one day, because not only 691 00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:05.320 would I get to have a sighting, but you would be able to hear 692 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:14.440 me crap myself. That's the way to that's a way to close about how 693 00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:16.760 about it? Hey? Van? Sinceendri's here not here, why don't you 694 00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:22.880 go ahead and use his closing words? Oh y'all be good or be good 695 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.599 at it, but good god, all right, folks, we'll see you 696 00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:37.480 next week. Good night. Alrighty, you've been listening to Sasquatch Experience. 697 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:42.039 Please rate interview where this podcast has been consumed. To share your experience, 698 00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:46.360 visit us on Facebook, our website, or email us info at sasquatch experience 699 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:50.440 dot com. Keep on squatching