WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:04.240 We're just gonna jump right into it. I have Mike on the phone. 2 00:00:04.360 --> 00:00:09.000 Mike is in Colorado. He's a big game hunter, big game outfitter in 3 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:13.400 Colorado. I don't know what part of the state he's in, but southwest 4 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:18.839 southwest Colorado. He's gonna es her is Poeblo in the southwest. Mike, 5 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:25.079 Well, I don't live in Pueblo. Our ranch is southwestern Colorado. We 6 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:29.239 live in Jars, Colorado. Okay. The reason I was asking, I've 7 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:35.039 got some contact with a woman down there close to Poeblo, and she's got 8 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:38.520 some weird things going on too. But anyway, Mike contacted me and told 9 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:42.679 me that he's got some really unusual stuff going on with his lease and his 10 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:45.600 ranch, and I just wanted to talk to him. I wanted you to 11 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:48.320 hear his story. So, Mike, if you just want to start from 12 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:52.079 the beginning and just tell us all what you want us to hear about this 13 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:56.479 stuff. So just go. Well, as you've stated, my name's Mike, 14 00:00:56.920 --> 00:01:00.399 m I own an operator working ranch and I the six hundred acres total 15 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:07.359 that's owned. I've got another eleven thousand acres that are leased in southwestern Colorado. 16 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:11.239 UM, we do guided big game hunts. We do heel, deer, 17 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:17.040 bear, elk, mountain, lion, um, pretty much anything that 18 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:19.879 would walk these heels we hunt. And we also are a full working kettle 19 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:26.439 ranch. And this all started in two thousand and fourteen. Um. I've 20 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.519 been on this ground though, let's just get that in the air. I've 21 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:34.040 been here my life. I was born and raised on this ranch, and 22 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:38.920 there had never been anything until the first instance that I was aware of. 23 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:44.519 It was twenty fourteen. UM. I was. I had two elk hunt 24 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:49.280 clients at the time. I had two guides full time at then. UM. 25 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:56.680 We were overlooking some of the dark timber um and we had from our 26 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:59.760 position to the timber itself. We were sitting at some ol quake. He's 27 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:04.879 on a hillside looking down into the timber, and it was forty seven yards, 28 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:07.560 you know, from us to the timber, and we had a seventy 29 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:14.680 to ninety pound rock and it was thrown uphill from the dark timber and landed. 30 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:16.280 No. I mean, this is this, honest to God's truth. 31 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:21.159 He landed an inch and a half from a client. And this is not 32 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:25.680 your average client. This guy's hunted with me since two thousand and two. 33 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:31.159 Now we're talking twenty fourteen. This is his twelfth year hunting on this ranch, 34 00:02:31.479 --> 00:02:36.520 and that rock would have literally killed the man had it a hitting. 35 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:42.280 I mean it was thrown forty seven yards and it came with some with some 36 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:47.080 velocity. I guess I had left a four and a half inch imprint in 37 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:53.400 the ground where I hit. Holy crap. Okay, go ahead. This 38 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:59.560 client's exact words to me were getting me the hell off this mountain and get 39 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.120 me the hell out of here. This is a pay hunter. These these 40 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:07.879 aren't free be hunts. These are these are pay hunts. And when a 41 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:10.319 man that has hunted the world over tells you to get you, you know, 42 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:15.039 get him the hill off this mountain, you know it's serious. Not 43 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:19.960 a word of anything had been spoken between us the ride down. Um, 44 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:23.520 I've got two outfit or shacks on this property that we guide out of, 45 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:27.879 you know. And upon arrival at the shack we were staying in, it's 46 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.840 it's more like cabins. I guess we call him outfit or shacks, but 47 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:35.960 they're little one bedroom cabins. Um. He turned to us and said, 48 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:38.680 this is not what I meant he said when I told you to get me 49 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:43.159 the hill off this mountain. I want off this mountain we ended up on 50 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:49.400 and that's day three of a seven day pay hunt, and we ended up 51 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:52.879 packing this man all the way out back to the ranch and at which point 52 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:55.039 drove him to the airport and the way he went. He's never been back 53 00:03:55.080 --> 00:04:03.000 since. Man Um. Yeah, this is a paid hunter, you know. 54 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:05.800 And like I said, this was his twelve year hunting with us, 55 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:09.800 and I haven't heard a word from the man since. Now. I know. 56 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:12.919 I know you've got a lot more to tell, but I and I 57 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:15.160 hope you don't mind interrupting, but I've just got a couple of questions. 58 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:19.519 So you're born and raised on this property, and you know these woods, 59 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:24.160 you know, you know the wildlife, you know how to hunt them, 60 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:27.600 track them. I mean, you know everything you're saying that I thought was 61 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:30.959 here. Yeah, But all of a sudden in twenty fourteen just pops up. 62 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:35.120 Do you Is it too early to talk about that at this point or 63 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:40.560 were you going to get to that. I'm curious how all your do you 64 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:46.759 think these things have migrated in? Do you think it's bigfoot? I know 65 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:51.240 it is without a doubt in my minyn On and sill it. It's like 66 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:56.000 anything in life that you got to tell somebody about. Half of them laugh 67 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:59.480 at you, the other half think you're crazy. In you got a few 68 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:02.560 selects you, including yourself, that even think you are crazy. And but 69 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.360 no, I know exactly what it is. I've been here in my whole 70 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:11.439 life. There's been instances prior to this, but it was never anything like 71 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:15.000 what had occurred, and so I always shook them off as being you know 72 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:20.399 bs stories that my grandpa would tell us. I've never believed it right right 73 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:27.040 until I picked that rock up and I attempted to throw it down the hill, 74 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:30.160 and the rock landed less than twelve feet from where I chucked it. 75 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:33.639 You know, I'm I'm six foot four, two hundred and forty pounds. 76 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:38.319 I know I'm pretty good side his boy. I've packed elk out all the 77 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:41.959 time. Deer, you know, were pretty healthy guys up on this ranch. 78 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:45.480 And I couldn't chock that rock very far and it came up hill. 79 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:47.199 We watched it, We watched it come over the timber at us. I 80 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:51.279 mean, it was plain as daylight, right. And when you asked me, 81 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:56.519 do I know what's here? Absolutely I knew what I thought lived in 82 00:05:56.560 --> 00:06:00.720 these woods. And I've never had a deer throw anything at me. I've 83 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.920 never had an elk throw anything at me. I've never seen a bear pick 84 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:06.639 a rock up and chuck it at somebody. Just something to do. So, 85 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:13.560 I mean, explanation fits itself, right. So that's two thousand and 86 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:17.519 fourteen, this is two thou this is two twenty. That's a lot of 87 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:26.439 you're a little concerned about all this, and uh so what's transpired since that 88 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:30.319 first elk hunter? Well, we got, like I said that, the 89 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:33.920 two cabins. Every year, Um, we close them down January thirty first, 90 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:40.319 empty am out. And these are these aren't you know, you're not 91 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:46.800 driving to these cabins. These are these are rough backwoods, full guided horseback 92 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.720 hunts. You're not you're driving to these places. These aren't the trout that 93 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:56.399 you'd see the BFR or any of these clowns on TV that are hunting big 94 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:59.439 foot, that are walking in there and then they walk up a single ridge 95 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:02.839 of linen, say oh there's oh, this is you know, from the 96 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:08.040 house itself at eighty two hundred feet to twelve thousand feet in altitude, we 97 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:12.600 got fourteen thousand foot peaks in the background here that we hunt, and it's 98 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:16.560 true back timber, you know, big country hunts. And so when I 99 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:20.160 say these cabins, these aren't you know, you're not getting in a car 100 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:25.879 and driving to this cabin. This is the west cabins a twelve and a 101 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:30.519 half mile ride in on horseback. The southwest cabin is fifteen and a half 102 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:35.360 miles, right. And so we when we're done for the season, you 103 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:41.240 know, with the guided hunts, we close them up and we'll come back 104 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:44.560 early in the spring and get them opened back up, make sure there's no 105 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:47.240 damage from winter trees falling, et cetera, et cetera. Just you know, 106 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:49.879 we spend a lot of time because, like I said that these hunts 107 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:54.680 are eighty percent of the revenue that this ranster sees. On a uarly basis, 108 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.560 the cattle markets so up and down anymore. I try not to focus 109 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:01.040 on cattle as heavy as we used to hear, you know, such as 110 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:07.920 my father and my grandfather's days. But so's you know, the guiding is 111 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:11.680 a pretty lucrative business. It keeps this ranch alive, it keeps four people 112 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:13.920 employed, and it keeps my girlfriend pretty happy, you know, during the 113 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.399 year and time. So we spend a lot of time taking care of this 114 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:24.360 property. It's not a fly by night kind operation. Right. Oh, 115 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.839 so you're you're you're a little concerned this is going to cut into your your 116 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:35.320 livelihood. Uh yeah, because as I stated that, the first actual like 117 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.639 I don't know what you'd call it an instance or don't I'm not quite sure 118 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:46.360 what you want to call it. The first warning. Perhaps we could call 119 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.799 that, I guess from a rocklestrodnis, I don't know. Yeah, Um, 120 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:56.840 it's progressively gotten worse. Um, we thought in two thousand and fifteen, 121 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.480 the spring of two thy fifteen, you know, we had twenty fourteen, 122 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.240 which is September first January, and then we go back up in the 123 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:09.399 spring. So now' in twenty fifteen we go up in the cabins or just 124 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:13.240 tour to health. I mean they are it looked like tornadoes hit them, 125 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:18.240 but we don't have tornadoes in Colorado right here, It's never been one. 126 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:24.200 Yeah, so we had supply. Now this is another time. It's a 127 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.440 costly adventure doing this because everything's got to be flown in. You know, 128 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:33.440 you can't carry four by each chet supply wood four by each cheats and the 129 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.399 insulation up in here on horseback, you just can't do it. And so 130 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:43.600 we had you know, a local pilot, helicopter pilot fly in a bunch 131 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:48.320 of supplies. We fix the cabins back up, and throughout the summer we 132 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:54.639 had many instances of doors being just knocked in, stuff being thrown around, 133 00:09:56.080 --> 00:10:01.879 wood burning stoves thrown outside. I mean things that you know you're going to 134 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:05.080 scratch your head to it, because why would anybody be back here to begin 135 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:09.440 with? In this country? I mean, everything around me is private except 136 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:13.639 my lease, which you know is private too because I have the lease rights 137 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:18.919 to it. Right, So this isn't you know BLM within a mile of 138 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.080 us that somebody would be trespassing the nearest the nearest BLM you know, public 139 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:28.320 lands are eighteen miles I think to the west of us. So if it 140 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.120 is people doing it, you know what we were thinking, then then they 141 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:35.480 fight back in there quite a ways, and you know, why would they 142 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:39.919 do that just to tear stuff up? Yeah, just it makes no sense. 143 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.480 And so what we've done is we've we started, you know, summer 144 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:48.440 twenty fifteen, just kind of fixing things, and I got a wild idea 145 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:54.480 by Steve at how to hunt dot com about bear boards, and I said, 146 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:58.159 well, let's try it a bear board for those of you that aren't 147 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.360 familiar with the locket cabin up the winner in Alaska. You'll take two by 148 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.799 sixes and you'll drive three in screws, I mean hundreds up in these two 149 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:07.759 by sixes, and you just lay them around the property of access points to 150 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:13.559 your cabins where the bears noda, you know, carrying a door or tear 151 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:16.120 through a window or etc. And then get into these cabins. So we 152 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:24.120 did that and it didn't work. Let's put it lightly. What happened was 153 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:28.000 is the boards had gotten dug up and they were stuck into the side of 154 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:31.960 the sighting of the cabins like somebody thrilled it like a baseball bat. Like 155 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:35.440 the boards were used as a baseball bat and swung into the sides of the 156 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:39.480 cabin so hard at bury three in screws. I'm sure anybody out there they 157 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.360 were driven a screw knows how hard to drive a three and screw in the 158 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:48.039 summits, especially when there's hundreds of them on a board. And these boards 159 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:52.799 were swung into the sides of the cabin not a single screw had been stripped 160 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:56.360 like a drill had done it and had as many screws that were in the 161 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:58.799 boards. I guarantee, if you're if you're doing that on the screw, 162 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:03.360 you you better have packed in a hundred batteries with you. So that was 163 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.080 one of the weird things that we kind of noticed, Like, you know, 164 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.480 I just had to scratch in our heads as far as you know, 165 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:13.159 what the hell are we dealing with here? And so it got to the 166 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.320 point we just it's kind of common to expect now that we got to fix 167 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:20.240 the cabins all the time. So that's where we're at with that. And 168 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:26.639 then in two thousand and fifteen hunting season and old a round Plan one. 169 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:31.679 I'm going to get it too. Here we had we had some undred We 170 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:35.919 had some hunters up here. I had four of my husband, a wife, 171 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:41.200 and two kids, and they were on their first ailcount. It was 172 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:43.759 kind of neat, you know, to do a family hunt like that's pretty 173 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.080 fun, and so I took them. I took them personally, you know, 174 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.279 I didn't I had my other guides, you know, guiding them. 175 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:52.159 I think they were doing lion hunt at that time, and a bear hunt, 176 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:58.879 and then I took this family to help, and the son, the 177 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.240 youngest son, I don't I don't think I would probably named names, but 178 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.279 his name was Trevor. I just won't use their last name. But Trevor 179 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:09.360 killed a real nice flight by six bull elk, this stuff fifteen year old 180 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:16.639 boy. So during that he, you know, we got his bull, 181 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.200 and we got it quartered up and processed and all as far as field processing 182 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.600 would go. I caped the bull out for a mount and away we went 183 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:31.240 back back into the cabin and h we Yeah, I don't know how many 184 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:35.240 people are familiar with an elk, but they're a big animal, you know. 185 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:37.759 And when you got clients with kids and you're by yourself, you know, 186 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:41.559 the sacious death to dudes. Get your clients and their kids back to 187 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:43.679 camp, and you go back in and pack the reats back in. That's 188 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:48.200 what I had planned to do. And I went back in. I had 189 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:52.720 left the hind quarters of this elk and the red cage. I took the 190 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:58.120 front quarters. I took the cape and the head and the backstraps and tender 191 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:03.000 goings out as part of the first load back to camp. And I went 192 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:05.519 back and the hind quarters were gone, and I said, well, what 193 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:13.039 the heck you on? So I walked for probably a good three miles, 194 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.200 probably going in circles. There wasn't a drag mark anywhere. And if you've 195 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.000 ever kicked up an al quarter, you know, an al quarter, hinds 196 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.879 one hundred hundred and fifty pounds, you know on these were hid on the 197 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.639 on rush quarter, you know, laying they're ready to be finished, deep 198 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:33.639 boned and packed out. And I found it ironic that these had been carried 199 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.440 off. I mean two quarters, that's three hundred pounds of meat. Um, 200 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:43.279 they're on the drag mark. And that's what throwed me the most, 201 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.039 is on me. You know, if kayo, we don't have wolves m 202 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.840 up here at all. So on the on the base, I'm going to 203 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:54.000 say it could have been an outline. It could have been better harder than 204 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:58.559 kayos. Well, number one, there'd be drag marks because neither neither one 205 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.039 of the step for a bear is going to carry it off. When a 206 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:05.600 barrel carry a short distance and then a barrel you know, eat, it'll 207 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.159 carry it again. And then within usually of any kiel I've ever seen, 208 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:11.159 within one hundred and fifty to two hundred yards. The bear will burry it 209 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:16.960 right and they'll come back in the feed. And I've seen this thousands of 210 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:20.039 times. I mean, this isn't something I'm guessing that this is first hand 211 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.240 experience. I deal with it for, you know, years and years on 212 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:26.360 the ranch. I've seen thousands of bear keel mount lying keel. They're they're 213 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:30.240 all buried, and they're within a hundred yards of the kill site to begin 214 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.720 with. Generally speaking, sometimes you'll get them where they'll carry them a little 215 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:37.960 closer in. If they've got a Danner cub nearby, they'll they'll take it 216 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:41.519 in one hundred and fifty two hundred yards. But that's a very, very 217 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:45.159 exception to the case. Kayot's, on the other hand, they'll eat the 218 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.639 right where it's at there. You know, Kayote can rarely ever drag anything. 219 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:50.840 They're an opportunist. They're going to eat it right there on the spot 220 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.320 or what they can, and they'll come back until it's finished. These are 221 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:58.360 vanished. There wasn't nothing. There wasn't nothing. I mean there's and this 222 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:03.519 is hard rocky rocky trained or you know, so you're not going to get 223 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:08.240 tracks, but you would get drag barks. So later on in that week 224 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:15.080 that was kind of the end of that. Later on that week, Jeanette 225 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:19.960 it was her name, She took a big cow. Help that afternoon, 226 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:25.080 we feel dressed it, and then I had noticed a couple of bulls less 227 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.799 than probably four hundred yards from where we'd field dressed her cow, and the 228 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:30.840 husband was anxious to get on a bulls. So I said, let's leave 229 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:33.320 the cow, we'll come back. We're gonna knock on these bulls down. 230 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:37.879 We'll come back, get a boat back that of year. So I went 231 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:40.639 and radioed one of my guides to come up and help me out. And 232 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:44.320 you know, we already had one cow help down. I went ahead and 233 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:47.960 field dressed, and then we took off after these bulls, and we ended 234 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:52.320 up probably all a thousand to fifteen hundred yards later on these bulls, and 235 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:57.679 he took a nice sixth flight bull elk And so here I was processed and 236 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:02.320 you know, breaking down that bull and getting here ready for a you know, 237 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:07.559 for a mount bike. We uh skin them out and keep them, 238 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:11.200 you know, that way he can mount the animal. And then anything that 239 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:14.680 where I've removed hide, i'd take the meat immediately put it in game bag, 240 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:18.400 so it's not getting dirty, etc. And generally speaking, all either 241 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:22.079 rear quarters still hide on that way. When I come back, it's easy 242 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:23.759 to just hide him right there, break them down, and bring him out 243 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:29.960 of them. So about four in the afternoon, my guide gets back up 244 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:32.079 in there to us. You know, like I said, this isn't a 245 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:36.000 drive in location. It's it's it's a long way, and it's US country. 246 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:40.039 This isn't going to the zoo or you know, walking a nature trail. 247 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:45.039 This is serious backwoods country. And nah, he gets in there and 248 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.440 we get the US up. Bull broke down and back in and I said, 249 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:52.240 well, let's go get this cow out of here. Now, mind 250 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:53.920 you, all I had done was spiel dressed this cow, which is getting 251 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:56.799 it. Basically, I didn't break any corners down. I didn't nothing. 252 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:00.519 Just we get it or it's cold here, will come back and break it 253 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.160 down. And we get back and this elks thirteen foot in the tree. 254 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:12.480 Figure that one out, oh man, thirteen foot like wedged up in a 255 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.680 wine the trunk or something, or she was she was thirteen foot up in 256 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:25.079 a in a deep wedge of a cottonwood now or not. I'm sorry, 257 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:30.480 I'm an aspen right now. When I tell you she was wedged these aspen 258 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:34.519 had growed together, so one aspen had come kind of straight up and the 259 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:38.960 other one had growed across that aspen tree, which made a pretty big V 260 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:44.119 shaped wedge. And like I told you, it was thirteen foot. I 261 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:48.160 measured it. I knew exactly to the inch how I was. I mean 262 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:53.559 it was thirteen foot in here a full cow elk carcass man that is. 263 00:18:55.680 --> 00:19:00.519 That is so. I know I sound like a novice at this, but 264 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:07.720 all of these strange things, these things lead behind just blows me away. 265 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:14.319 The things that they do with with you know, hunters kills and stuff they 266 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:18.960 kill. It's just unreal. So did you guys get up in there and 267 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:22.079 get that cow out of the tree or what did you do? We couldn't. 268 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:26.279 I mean a full born cow elk, you know, we're talking four 269 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:32.000 hundred pound animal. And the way she was wedged in there was like when 270 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:34.440 they was put in that wedge, it was pulled and then trees kind of 271 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.720 come apart a little bit to wedge it even tighter. So what we ended 272 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.680 up doing is we couldn't get her out and leave the trees. We ended 273 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:44.559 up cutting one of the asp and down and she fell to the ground and 274 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:49.359 we had noticed her legs. This is another weird kind of I don't know 275 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:53.000 why, and I don't claim to know why, but her legs were snapped 276 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:59.119 off at the knees, all four legs and tied almost like a damn backpack 277 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:04.440 strap would be wow, you know they were. They were literally pulled together 278 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:11.000 and tied like it carried it like a backpack if that makes sense to you. 279 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:15.160 How the legs had been broke and that gives them that, you know, 280 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:19.559 just that floppiness enough to tie the hide around each other and pulled tight. 281 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:22.119 I mean it was tied like a backpack. And we kind of looked 282 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:25.480 at each other and just scratched our heads like you know that, and I 283 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:30.720 think would have done now, this is can't be there. I've killed probably 284 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:34.160 myself thirty mile lines over the years up here, probably twenty five bear myself. 285 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:42.200 I've never seen nothing like this, right, And so we ended up 286 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:45.440 breaking that countdown and getting her back to camp, and you know, that 287 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:52.359 was pretty uneventful. The rest of the season twenty sixteen, same kind of 288 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.519 thing. Cabins just screwed with a little bit hunters messed with rocks throat at 289 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:03.880 us. Uh, let's see, let's get this twenty eighteen. Let's let 290 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:08.160 no, no, no, let's do twenty nineteen. Let's cut to the 291 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:11.720 real good stuff. You're twenty nineteen. My wife comes leus he's my girlfriend, 292 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:17.440 not my wife. Comes in the house and she has this look at 293 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:19.880 just disbelief on her face. This girl has lived up here with me for 294 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:22.880 three years now. And I said, what's wrong, honey, And she 295 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:26.720 says, we ain't got no chickens. Said what she said, The chickens 296 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.359 are gone. I said, what are you talking about? She said, 297 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.599 my goat's gone and the chickens are gone. So I throw my boots on. 298 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:37.759 You know, it's it's five o'clock in the morning. I don't up. 299 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:41.319 I just got off a haul and some kettle and she's telling me the 300 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:42.599 chickens are gone. So I'm thinking, all right, she left the door 301 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:47.480 open. The chickens got out last night, that's all I'm no. The 302 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:51.720 chicken coop was still locked, but it had been turned over on its side. 303 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:56.279 Something picked the chicken coop up and turned it over. Now this is 304 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:02.599 not let's make it clear This isn't a chicken coop that you go buy on 305 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:08.440 Amazon that holds thirty chickens. This is a two by six built fourteen by 306 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:14.000 I think it was eight fourteen by eight coop had been lifted up onto it 307 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:18.880 and flippover on inside and the chickens. Now, the gate gets socked at 308 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:23.240 night. Something or reached over the wire, the chicken wire, and pulled 309 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:29.519 them out of there. Figure that out, every one of them, fifty 310 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:33.599 five chickens were gone, No dead chickens lying around anything, just gone. 311 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:41.440 Not a single one of them dead nowhere. But the coop. It's like, 312 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:45.440 it's hard to even say stuff like this allowed to people because tell you 313 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:51.519 even think yourself you're crazy talking about it. You know. But the gate, 314 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:53.319 you know, the chicken coop gets locked at night because there are foxes 315 00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:56.920 and coyotes up here. You know, we've never had a problem around the 316 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:02.759 house, but but we still take precautions because we're working ranch, and so 317 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:04.960 we locked the gate at night, and then the chicken coop gets closed up 318 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:07.759 and it gets a little lock on there. Now, the lock isn't locked 319 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:12.680 on the coop itself. At the gate, it is locked and the only 320 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:17.119 funny thing is is the coop just sits on the ground. You know, 321 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:19.119 you got your straw in there, you got your nesting boxes and then your 322 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:23.839 roosting areas and the coop. But it was pushed over and then the chicken 323 00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:30.640 scraped from out of it. I know, sounds crazy. That's amazing. 324 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:36.799 A pigmy goat that I got her for. She's always wanted a goat, 325 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:41.720 I agree, don't ask she got this stupid goat. It was her little 326 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:47.039 pal bolder everywhere, bottle fed it from from the time I got it until 327 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:49.279 it would grow that this goat was like a stupid dog. You know, 328 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:52.759 it was literally a dog at this point. It wasn't even goat. Yeah, 329 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:59.599 but it lived in the chicken coop. Yeah, uh yeah, lived 330 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.839 in the chick It was gone. The goat was gone. Something took the 331 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:08.839 goat too, and fifty five chickens taking oh unreal, right up close to 332 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:14.400 your house. I mean this, it's a quarter mile behind the house, 333 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:18.440 right right. Did you guys let the chickens out in free range dare in 334 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:23.200 the day or just keep them cooped out? Absolutely? Absolutely okay, And 335 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:26.680 that's why we hence the reason we locked the gate. At night, right 336 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:32.200 right, because they would go back into the coop themselves in the evening, 337 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:34.720 you know, and and we just go up, shut the door, locked 338 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.759 the gate, and go inside. It was done for the day. So 339 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:42.319 there's there's how that happened. Um the goat, y'all never did find it. 340 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:45.400 Never found a stegn wanna chickens. And I've been all over these mountains, 341 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.759 but so we don't have any chickens just cruising round up here on the 342 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.119 hills, you know, like they're having the time of their life. So 343 00:24:53.759 --> 00:25:00.119 did you replace the chickens? Yes? Any any other other trouble with your 344 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:07.799 new chickens? Yeah? Absolutely, we never have eggs. Man, I'm 345 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:15.640 having the same problem. But go ahead. We've got forty Rhode Island reds. 346 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:19.799 Well it's mixed. There's twenty Rhode Island red hens. We've got twenty 347 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:26.480 wine dots and out of forty chickens. Not what we would like to do 348 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:30.279 normally, which well, let's not weave this situation. Let's put it back 349 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:33.480 to where it belongs. What she likes to do is take the eggs to 350 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.519 town and she just dispenses them amongst who ever wants eggs. This is kind 351 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:42.720 of her little hobby. You know, they are these these damn chickens. 352 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:45.400 Yeah, and of course we eat them too, you know, but there's 353 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:51.480 no way we're eating forty eggs a day, right. But what's even funnier 354 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:55.960 about the whole situation is that, um, she will get to the point 355 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:00.440 that she would just it didn't matter who you are. If you want eggs, 356 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:06.720 here's eggs. Kind of dealing. And we went from these were now 357 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:08.920 mature birds starting to lay, you know, and you get your pullet eggs 358 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:12.640 for a little while, and we were leaving the pullet eggs, crumbling them 359 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:18.519 up and three feeding, and then they started to actually produce you know, 360 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:22.599 good sized brown eggs and stuff, and you know, pretty large eggs, 361 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:26.559 you know. So we stalked up on ours and then started giving them out 362 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:30.440 again. It just died. It just kind of one day. It was 363 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:34.480 like she went to get eggs, and low and behind there's like two eggs. 364 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:38.599 I mean, they're forty chickens two eggs. How does that work? 365 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:45.960 You know? But yet nothing was disturbed. I mean, well, you 366 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:51.440 know, I've seen a thousand skunks and my time come into a chicken coop 367 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.119 and and they'll eat, you know, some eggs, or they'll gnaw the 368 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:59.960 heads off a two chickens. And they're going right right, I'm talking thirty 369 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.640 plus eggs at the time, yall. A lot of times a raccono, 370 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.880 Yeah, a lot of times a racconal. They won't. If they can 371 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.599 get a chicken out, they'll take it with them. Apossum will eat a 372 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:15.240 chicken right there. But what's funny is is, uh, and I don't 373 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:22.160 know if y'all have opossums in Colorado, but anyway, and I'm not trying 374 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.200 to I never do this, and I forgive me, but I'm having the 375 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:30.839 same problem. And we've got thirty and we just got a mixture of americanas 376 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:37.000 and uh, sex lengths, wine dots, and they're just pets, you 377 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:42.640 know. And we we're down to about thirty. And they molted in the 378 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:48.200 fall and the egg production stopped. Now I'd to thirty chickens, we'd go 379 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:53.799 ten days and we wouldn't get a single egg. Now that's on. They're 380 00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.119 a little they're a little older. These girls are a little bit older, 381 00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:03.039 but uh, they're still laying age. And we've got some younger ones. 382 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:04.960 But we we went ten days without any eggs, and then we would have 383 00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:11.319 one or two when we were getting you know, twenty to twenty four a 384 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:18.160 day out of thirty chickens, so exactly. And this is this is the 385 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.400 towards the end of January, and they've gone through the mold. They've got 386 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.279 good you know, plumage on them. Their book, they're beautiful, they're 387 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:32.599 our winners are nothing like yours here in Mississippi. But uh, and they 388 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:36.880 should be laying. We've got some sunny days and they should be laying. 389 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.200 But we're still not getting any eggs. And it's uh. And I've never 390 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.519 thought of this until you just said that to you, just talking about getting 391 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.039 eggs, but you're not getting them. Let's put it that way. They're 392 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.480 laying eggs. I mean, you're not gonna I've been around this my whole 393 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:56.839 life. And then then chickens. The chicken. The chicken does two things 394 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.200 that well three things. It scratches and eats, it boots, and it 395 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:04.599 lays eggs. That's all the chicken does. And out of thirty chickens, 396 00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:08.839 you can expect no less than twenty eggs a day, right, but they're 397 00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:12.279 laying. You just aren't first in lying for them eggs. And that's kind 398 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:17.440 of what our situation has been. And it's mind boggling because if it was 399 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:19.319 a predator coming in and doing this, like you're saying, if it's a 400 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:22.599 coon, a fox of kaya, what have you, what have you, 401 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:25.680 it's going to eat a few of the chickens. There's gonna be broke eggs 402 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:30.319 everywhere because they're not going to eat the shell. They break the egg open, 403 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.640 they get the yolk out of it. You know, they're any egg 404 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:37.000 and yolk, and then they're gone. You're always going to have, regardless 405 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.400 bits of postuma, coon, a fox, et cetera, et cetera, 406 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:44.119 you're always going to have something left behind from that predator coming in and doing 407 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:48.359 that. We don't have that. We just don't have eggs. I just 408 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:53.480 can't believe I've got the same I just I don't think I have the same 409 00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:59.319 thing going on that you do. So or maybe it's just wishful thinking, 410 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:03.920 but I'm gonna keep I'll grow blackberries too. And last spring when we got 411 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:12.039 our first we got our first production of blackberries, I know we had I 412 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:21.119 know we had ten or fifteen gallons of blackberries on the vine ready to pick 413 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:26.160 I mean they turned black almost overnight. We got there to the next day 414 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.359 to make the first pick, and every BlackBerry on our vines and bushes are 415 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:36.000 gone. It's the weirdest thing. And they rebloomed again and we got a 416 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:41.200 pretty good harvest. But anyway, I'm sorry to enter jack stores. No, 417 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.480 no, I don't find it weird at all. I just find it 418 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.680 even more compelling evidence, you know. I mean it's right there in front 419 00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:49.880 of us. See the deer come up, and the deer come up, 420 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:57.920 and they I take the I take the wildlife fencing down during you know, 421 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:03.680 around the first of deer hunting season here, and the doze will come in 422 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.160 and they'll munch on the branches. Well that's a good for them, because 423 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:10.519 they're pruning for me. And so yes, next year, on the on 424 00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.559 the branches that are green, that were green the last year, there'll be 425 00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:17.240 four or five shoots come off where the deer nipped them off. So I 426 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:21.519 let the deer munch on them. But when there, when there, when 427 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:23.680 there's berries on them, I've got wildlife netting. A deer won't come through 428 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.359 it. It's just they just won't do it. No, No, they 429 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.240 won't. What is what is getting in my I don't know. It just 430 00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:34.400 blows me away. But let's let's drop that. So this your chicken problem 431 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:40.559 was in did you say twenty eighteen or nineteen? It started? It's still 432 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:42.839 going on today. I mean, we can't win flues with this chicken situation. 433 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:52.000 Um, it's just insane. Um. Here here's you know you reference 434 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.720 to your garden and your your blackberries and blueberry stuff like that. We put 435 00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.000 in that. Well, I didn't personal way about it. I'm not a 436 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.759 gardener. I'm a rancher and a hunter. And my girlfriend put in a 437 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:06.839 great, big garden last year, I mean a big one. Um squashed 438 00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:12.480 cucumbers, melons, cantaloupe melons, watermelon, corn, and then she did 439 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:20.279 about nine rows and chilis U Publo chilies to be specific, and Samanaheim chilis. 440 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.400 And she did about three rows of hall opinions. And we like our 441 00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:28.119 chilies up here, you know, we like that spicy food. And um. 442 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:36.079 Our garden got rated about I think the second or third week of July. 443 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.680 Some had rated the garden, and I mean it stripped bear. I 444 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:44.599 mean it took all opinion. I mean it just the whole entire garden had 445 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:49.480 been gone through, and she come in the house and was just mattering a 446 00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:52.400 hornet and somebody's been up here, you know. And I went out and 447 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:58.920 looked, and um, nobody had been in here. I mean, it's 448 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:04.559 kate poison obvious when you're you're looking at a nineteen inch footprint, bare footprint 449 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:08.359 in the ground. I kind of wiped my foot over this footprint. I 450 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:12.640 didn't want to notice in it. And there wasn't just one, there was 451 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:16.920 about twenty of walking through art so I kind of with my boot would just 452 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:21.359 kind of kick the soil around a little bit like I was looking trying to 453 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:27.559 track something, but I just didn't want her kitchen was so I mean, 454 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.599 it was obvious what had happened. But the funny thing was obviously they don't 455 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:37.200 like chilies or hall apenios, because about two days later and all that produce 456 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.440 that have been taken, the chilis and hall apenos were thrown at the house. 457 00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:47.599 Oh man, a throne. I mean, they were literally scattered, 458 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.160 and you could see because we got a stucco house and you know, take 459 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.359 a chili and bounce it off some at these little green marks all over the 460 00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:00.119 place. And we had green marks all the way downside of that house or 461 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:05.440 something had chucked all these chilies and hall opinios at the house. So evidently 462 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.960 they don't like hall opinios or chilies, and they were pissed at you. 463 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:13.239 Well, they brought them back, you know. I mean I was kind 464 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:15.559 of happy. I don't care about the watermelon and stuff. Just bring me 465 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:20.000 my chilies. And they returned them. But it wasn't It wasn't in a 466 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:22.920 fair manner. I don't think if they're going to take them from us, 467 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.639 bring them back nicely. But they were literally thrown across it. And that 468 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.679 was another thing. You know. I get up early in the morning, 469 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:32.159 I went and started the semi. I was gonna haul load the cows that 470 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:35.679 day, how to hear in my calves, as a matter of fact, 471 00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:38.440 So I fired deal with semi up and I seen it and I said, 472 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.199 oh, hell, well, I had got the hose and I washed the 473 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.599 house down a little bit, kind of you know, I don't really want 474 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:50.360 her knowing what I'm expecting this is, you know, or up to this 475 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.599 point, because I just didn't want to scare and especially because there's a lot 476 00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:58.360 of times I leave you know, I hauled our cattle all over the country. 477 00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.880 We've got some summer grounding Kansas and Oklahoma both that we'll haul cattle to 478 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.559 bring them back in the winter, and they we'll haul our cats out to 479 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.960 say. Oh, so I'm on the truck quite a bit, and I 480 00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:13.400 was always kind of just trying to I was afraid basically for her to know 481 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:16.280 what's what's going on, you know, And I know that's kind of selfish 482 00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.239 of me to do so, but at the same time, I just, 483 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.079 you know, kind of just kind of cover your woman, you know what 484 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:24.000 I mean. Yeah, you don't want to. You don't want her worrying 485 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:30.039 about stuff that may not be a huge issue exactly, especially when I'm gone, 486 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.920 because up to that point, there hadn't been anything, as I would 487 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:38.800 say, attack wise that it happened. Now, let's fast forward to a 488 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:45.639 month and a half ago when I really got serious Um David polags and uh 489 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:52.159 with with Steve himself to reaching out for help because our house started coming under 490 00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:58.039 attack quite a bit. Um. We'd be laying there at night and the 491 00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:01.559 sides of the house was getting banged on, and I mean just things out 492 00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:07.199 of the blue, um feeds getting stolen. We're losing like your oats and 493 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:12.320 stuff that you'd feed your horses. I mean, something's taking four hundred pounds 494 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.000 of feed sacks. You know, that's a lot of weight. Um. 495 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:20.000 I don't know of any animals that's gonna carry it off. I mean they're 496 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.400 gonna tear it open right there and get into them, like the coons or 497 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.760 you know, even you get your spring bear cubs. They're young, they'll 498 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:30.360 come into a barn and you know they'll they'll rummage through your your oats and 499 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.880 stuff like that for your horses. But they're not carrying bags off. Something 500 00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:44.079 took the bags, you know. And M Steve Um kind of insinuated that 501 00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:47.480 we should do that. They don't like certain light, and so we set 502 00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:52.679 up triggering motion activated spotlights all over the place. I did. She thought 503 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.719 I was crazy. I said that it keeps the bears out. So I 504 00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:00.239 started doing a lot of that. I put up trail cams everywhere, and 505 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:05.760 a real weird pattern started happening after that. The trailcams, we're never getting 506 00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.840 video of anything. I think it's infrared, like everybody's trees that these things 507 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:15.679 know about. But my trailcams are being demolished. I mean on four hundred 508 00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:22.039 and twelve pictures on thirteen trail cameras. Okay, mind you, four hundred 509 00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:29.000 and twelve pictures of tree branches poking at them. Figure that out. They're 510 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:34.360 in the tree within one hundred and fifty yards of the barn and where we 511 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:39.280 store our feed, and there's no but tree branches are poking these cameras. 512 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:45.000 And eventually it led into the cameras are being demolish. I mean they're being 513 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:49.639 smashed to pieces. Lights are being the poles, the light poles that we 514 00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:55.679 had put up are being pulled down to the ground, just NonStop weird stuff 515 00:37:55.679 --> 00:38:02.760 like that. And I got real serious with mister Steve there at how to 516 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:06.960 Hunt dot Com. I got pretty serious for him with asking for some help. 517 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.360 And he's the one that put me in touch with Steve, and I 518 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:14.400 had to call him because it started into where these these turned out from occurrences 519 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.360 in the down right attacks. I mean, they were tearing stuff up. 520 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.760 I had a tree of probably eight inch diameter pine throwed through the windshield of 521 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:28.840 my pickup. Um my semi truck doors had been you know, I got 522 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.840 a twenty seventeen Peter built truck there quite expensive investment there, you know, 523 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:37.360 and it had taken and it looked like somebody had squarely punched the door, 524 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:42.079 but it punched it so hard at Kape a Dorian, you know, that's 525 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:45.480 twenty seven hundred dollars repair right there. Yeah. Um, rocks are being 526 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.519 thrown at the house to the extent that it's busting stuck, go off. 527 00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:53.840 Um. It's gotten to the point it scared her so bad. The howl 528 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:58.039 and that's the other thing. And it's been happening a lot where the howls, 529 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:07.239 and they started earlier, earlier about September this year. It started more 530 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.840 like kind of I would damn, I don't know how to describe them if 531 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:15.679 but it's not really a hell, it's not really a call of any sports. 532 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.800 Are more like a damn grunt, you know. And and it start 533 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:23.519 out is a real powerful but muffled grunts. That makes sense. I mean 534 00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:30.599 you can feel it. It just wasn't real loud. And it started as 535 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:34.280 those and there'd be you know, three or four different directions of these grunts 536 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:39.239 coming. And then it got to where things were occurring around here so frequently 537 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:45.280 that I kind of got fed up with it. And so as a guide, 538 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:49.159 I'll tell you a little background on where I'm at with it. Is 539 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.199 I hunt Africa every two years. I go, I go to Zimbabwe, 540 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.079 South Africa, and I hunt. I've got a four or fifty eight with 541 00:39:55.320 --> 00:40:00.440 mag I've got a five hundred night to Express. I've got some real heavy 542 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.239 firepower that we'd use, you know, for hunting. The big five are 543 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:07.280 in Africa, because I'm pretty take buffalo hunt and I've killed seven of them. 544 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:10.920 Kind of my thing to do is I'd like to go Africa every other 545 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:17.400 year, stuff like that. So it got to the point where I loaded 546 00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:22.679 that five hundred Cho Express and when I started hearing drums, I'd fire shots 547 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:28.239 in the direction of them, and and it get to where I think that 548 00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.079 it's more a I don't know, a retaliation on my part. I guess 549 00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.280 I'm just trying to tell them I'm sick of it, knock it off, 550 00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.840 you know, and ways that I know how to handle it. And and 551 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:44.639 that's where Steve has been a big hilp um. Let me let me last 552 00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:49.719 three or four months. Let me stop you. You said, David Pilates, 553 00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.360 and this, uh, the man named Steve, does he have a 554 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:59.639 YouTube channel. I don't know. I don't do this whole YouTube thing very 555 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:04.239 often. Um. I talked to him directly all the time. I don't 556 00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:07.840 do the YouTube. UM. Let me look real quick. Well that's okay, 557 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.840 because there's a guy up in British Columbia who's an outfitter like you. 558 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.119 Oh yeah, that's Stephen Howd hunt dot com. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, 559 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.400 he's got a YouTube channel and everything. He's a he's a very seasoned, 560 00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:22.920 very professional, big game guy. You know, we share a lot 561 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:27.679 of the same passion. You guys are living the dream. I've I've seen 562 00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:32.440 a couple of his a couple of his videos, and he lives in a 563 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:37.760 beautiful place man. Yeah, I mean yeah, see, And and he's 564 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.199 the one that has put me in touch with plauties and with with the one 565 00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:45.280 that's been a real big hill has been Scott Carpenter. Okay, I've worked 566 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:51.960 I've worked real close and directly with him throughout these last episodes because it's just 567 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:57.119 been it's gotten to where it's it's you know, it's coming down to it. 568 00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:59.840 I mean, you're going to kill him or we're gonna find common ground. 569 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:04.199 Yeah, you know, I don't know how to sugarcoat that. But 570 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:08.679 this is my livelihood, this is my home, that's my lady. I've 571 00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:13.639 got a child here. I mean, it's coming down to the point where 572 00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.039 either we're going to find a way to co exist or I'm gonna kill them. 573 00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:20.719 That's where bottom line is. And I know that's harsh and a lot 574 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.920 of your viewers are going to say, well, how dare you? But 575 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:27.559 until you're in this situation, don't dare me. You know what I mean, 576 00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:31.159 don't question me, because there's time. That's why I say these aren't 577 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:36.440 your friends, you know, people that want to feed them and leave gifts 578 00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.719 and this, and that you're bringing in something you have no idea about. 579 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.760 I'm telling you there's a whole lot more to this than we all know. 580 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:50.760 Than anybody have you had a visual three of them are okay? You want 581 00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:55.079 to talk about that? Yeah I can. The latest was less than two 582 00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:00.000 weeks ago. I just I brought a lot of the calves out of here 583 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.000 because we're starting to get the big, heavy snows and it's hard, you 584 00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:06.199 know, this time of year, because we'd have to feed constantly. So 585 00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:09.199 I took a load of the healing calves down to Oklahoma, I've got some 586 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.639 grass down there that we liked to run them on in the winter. And 587 00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:15.480 I was late, of course, because we'd had a good hunting year. 588 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:20.920 It's been real busy, and I was late getting my kettleman. Didn't I 589 00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.280 noticed a shadow. I was in the kitchen looking out at the barn. 590 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:29.920 One of the lights had triggered, and I noticed a very large shadow just 591 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.239 to the west of the barn there, and I ran out the front door, 592 00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:37.440 and I had a rifle, and I was expecting it more or less 593 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.760 to be a bear, like you know, I kind of the way the 594 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:45.320 shadow had looked was like a bear was leaning up trying to figure out how 595 00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:49.119 to get in the window of the barn. Well it wasn't. It was 596 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.880 crouched over looking in the window of the barn, trying to figure out how 597 00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:55.000 to get in there, to get that feet. Because I have recently I 598 00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:59.440 ran four or forty direct each of the door handles that at night I switch 599 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.519 on it. I spend kind of the only thing they've in our feed, 600 00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:07.039 you know. And I've done a lot of a lot of prep work here 601 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:09.800 lately, thanks to Scott Carpenter and his great ideas. It's really started to 602 00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:15.039 cut my feed dealing as again. But it has also made it to the 603 00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:21.880 point that these things are they're they're turning into oh I guess for sake of 604 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.519 words, or they're little bastards about everything. I mean, if if they're 605 00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:28.000 determined to tear it up and get in there, they're going to. And 606 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.960 I've reached some boarding points with it, so I grabbed their effl and I 607 00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:35.920 went after it, and I was probably less than forty yards from it. 608 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.119 I fired a couple of shots. Now, when I say I fired a 609 00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:42.599 couple of shots, let's get this straight. I did not shoot in any 610 00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.840 unsafe direction, nor did I shoot directly at it. I fired shots into 611 00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:52.199 the ground directly in front of me. So before anybody freaks out, I 612 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.000 wasn't trying to shoot a kah because I'm gonna call them hit because I don't 613 00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:58.920 know what else to call them at this point. I don't know what they 614 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:04.920 are ye sasquats or big foot, but there's so much mystique involved in it. 615 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:09.039 I'm just gonna say it because it's easier. But um, I fired, 616 00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:12.559 and I screamed at it, and was you know, get that hell 617 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.159 out of here. I'm sick and tired of this, and I fired some 618 00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:19.719 shots and it ran off, But it made the most god awful hellen sound 619 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.840 I've ever heard, you know, more of a scream type hell as it 620 00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:24.840 was leaving that I've ever heard my life. It chilled me to the bone. 621 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.760 But I haven't had anything happened since then. Maybe I don't remember. 622 00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:38.679 I don't think there's any teaching, if that's any anyone's mindset that you can 623 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:45.119 teach these to come now and tell you can't there. I've heard so much 624 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:51.719 that of different they can teleport or they can shape ship, and I've never 625 00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:57.440 seen nothing like that. To me, it's a living, breathing gods. 626 00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.519 For sake of words, I really don't know what to call it. It. 627 00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.679 It's a squatch. It's a living, breathing, eating animal. I 628 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:05.480 mean, if it lives, it for easy, it dies. And I 629 00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:10.320 think they know that as well. Now do they have ways about them that 630 00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:14.199 are that we would never expect? Sure, I'm sure they do, because 631 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:15.960 I don't know anything about these things, and I don't think anybody truly does. 632 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:21.800 I think all we know is what we've heard and what we can use 633 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:25.360 that we've heard versus experiences, and from that, I think we can come 634 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:30.000 away with certain ideas of what these things can do. Can they talk? 635 00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.360 Yes, they can, and let's get to that. Here's an interesting subject 636 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:36.639 for you, if you want to talk about it. They've got a language. 637 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:40.280 They have a damn a language. It is not English. It is 638 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:46.920 not anything you've ever heard in your life. It is like listening to I 639 00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:51.599 would describe it as a mix if I I don't want to. I don't 640 00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:55.119 want to call nobody out, no race or ethnicity. But if you've ever 641 00:46:55.159 --> 00:47:00.360 heard tribes speak in tongue, that's kind of what it reminds me of. 642 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:07.800 Ye, and I've heard it. My girlfriend called me the other night paranoid 643 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.000 as all hill. It was about how god I think. It was like 644 00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:13.519 one thirty in the morning. She was crying, she was upset. I 645 00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:15.039 said, what's wrong. She said, Hell, there's somebody out of here. 646 00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.400 And we talked about She said, well, honey, I can hear 647 00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.519 them talking. I hear them. There's two voices, and it's a man's 648 00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:23.599 voice. I said, well, what are they saying? She says, 649 00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:28.199 I can't make it out. It's nothing I've ever heard before. And that's 650 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.480 when I started really getting nervous. It's like, all right, something's got 651 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:35.480 to give. I'm not home, she is, They're not, you know. 652 00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:37.480 And that's the other thing. And I think a lot of people realizing 653 00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:44.840 they're not afraid to show themselves to women. And ninety eight percent of the 654 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:50.880 occurrences around here evolved around a woman period, right, And when Scott Carpenter 655 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.000 was talking to me about this, it really hit home because then I started 656 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:58.719 thinking, you know, every time we've had an instance or an occurrence I 657 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.239 guess you want to call it, is when I had recently just gotten home. 658 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:06.119 Now she had possibly been home for three or four days by herself at 659 00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:10.039 this point. And I truly feel that women and children piqued their interest. 660 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.039 Yeah, for reasons why. Hell, I don't know. Like I said, 661 00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:21.039 I'm no expert. Well that's but that's a that's a that's a real 662 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:25.400 common thread throughout history, you know, historical accounts. I'll bear that out, 663 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:30.599 but go ahead. But in all that night I told her, I 664 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.559 said, well, just open the front door and fire a few shots out 665 00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:38.039 there, get rid of it, because I bought it. But I do 666 00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:43.000 have the gun, and I'm gonna I'm gonna stay here and in the room 667 00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.559 with the avien, and I said, well, I'll get home as soon 668 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:50.320 as I can. And so I put the old semi in gear, and 669 00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.639 to the house I went. And that morning I went out looking. We'd 670 00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.840 had fresh snow on the ground. Sure enough, there were tracks less than 671 00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:04.840 forty feet from the house. Man. And when I say tracks, these 672 00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:10.239 aren't these aren't human footprints. I mean, you get a human up here 673 00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:15.039 and there's snowing ground, they're going to be walking and clothed feet, you 674 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:20.679 know. And these are barefoot prints, but they're big. I mean several 675 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:24.760 other footprints are not as big that you know, I could see maybe a 676 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:29.719 real, let's say, an eight foot tall human being perhaps to be running 677 00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.639 around up here, because these are seventeen inch prints. But a set of 678 00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:37.280 the other set of tracks that I had found were twenty one inches. I 679 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:38.960 don't know it down man, in the world with twenty one inch long foot 680 00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:45.559 especially barefoot yea at eighty five nine hundred feet in altitude in the Colorado back 681 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:52.000 country, Come on, you live it? Yes, Okay, that's oh 682 00:49:52.000 --> 00:50:01.119 man. Now my house from the highway, just the nearest the nearest pavement. 683 00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:08.519 I'm thirteen and a half miles up their road. So you don't tell 684 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:17.440 me that some gigantic basketball player type feller walk thirteen and a half miles up 685 00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:23.800 here to stand by the damn kitching window and talk. No exactly, No, 686 00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:30.880 no, oh man, Well we were talking. We were talking before 687 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:37.559 we got started, and you were unless you have some more encounters you want 688 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:42.760 to share, got about ten minutes left. But you've got some opinions on 689 00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:45.679 these things, and I think you and I agree. Now on my YouTube 690 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:50.480 channel, I never really give an opinion, but I'll tell you this. 691 00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:55.320 I don't think they're interdimensional. I think they're flesh and blood animals and you 692 00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:01.039 and I think for the most part, they have a for the most part, 693 00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:05.559 they don't have good will towards people. Now, I know you've you've 694 00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:08.760 said it in this interview, and I'm agreeing with There's gonna be people who 695 00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:14.079 disagree with that. I think they're they think they're they got a little butterflies 696 00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:16.960 on their shoulder and little birds in their hair and stuff like that. They 697 00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:20.880 don't know them too, will do they? Well, they're they're a predator. 698 00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:23.440 I mean they kill wild game. I mean, from all accounts, 699 00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:29.280 they kill wild game. They just you. You've had an experience where they 700 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:34.079 put a cow elk twenty feet up in the tree. I ain't thirteen foot 701 00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:37.760 unbelievable. Unbelievable. So you've got some opinions on these things, and you've 702 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:43.400 talked to some guys out there that know who have experienced these things. Uh, 703 00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:46.039 will you talk about that a minute? And let I think people need 704 00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:52.320 to hear it from a guy if you want to ask me that two of 705 00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:59.239 the biggest authorities on the a Ka, big foot Sasquatch wouldn't want to call 706 00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:00.760 it. I call them a paint in the ass because that's all they are 707 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:07.440 to me. But Number one Steven how to Hunt dot com. The man 708 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:15.960 is a wealth of knowledge about him and Steve himself coming from another lifelong guide, 709 00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:20.719 professional big game guide. I've seen it. I've killed it. I 710 00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.559 killed everything. I killed elephant, I've killed Kate Buffalo, I've killed brown 711 00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:29.920 Bear, I've killed Griggs, I've killed my god. I've got a twenty 712 00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:32.119 two hundred square foot game room in my house. I mean, when it 713 00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:37.440 comes to it, I've done it. I'm anything but a novice when it 714 00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:43.960 comes to wildlife and behaviors of wildlife such as Steve himself. And when the 715 00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:46.480 man can look in the eyes and tell you what he's seen, you know, 716 00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:51.880 a man of his caliber, you need to listen, I mean. 717 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.320 And then you got another man on the other side of the country for months 718 00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:59.280 where you are, and in down there in the old neck of the woods. 719 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:05.119 Mister Carpenter, the man the wealth of knowledge. Some of his ideas 720 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:09.320 I do tend to disagree with a little bit, but I'm no one to 721 00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:15.400 question him because he's got a lot more knowledge than I have. I do 722 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:20.119 not, for one second, though, believe these are any type of a 723 00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:23.679 shape shifter. Absolutely not. I've ran after it, I've shot at it, 724 00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:29.960 well, I've shot near it in an effort to ward it off, 725 00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:32.400 and never once. Now and now, if that's an instance that it's a 726 00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:37.159 shape shifter, why the hell didn't it do it? Right? Yeah? 727 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.599 If it's interdimensional, why didn't it jump back in some dimension and take off 728 00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:45.719 away from me. I fired live rounds into the ground while running at the 729 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:50.159 thing, screaming at it. It was running away from me screaming. That 730 00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:53.119 tells me right now that this is an animal that knows fear, This is 731 00:53:53.159 --> 00:54:00.199 an animal that recognizes intent to harm because I had full intention had it turned 732 00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:05.039 or wouldn't le I was going to shoot to Kiel to protect my place. 733 00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:09.760 Period. This is my home. And so when it comes to that, 734 00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:15.920 I truly I cannot wrap my head around it. Am I right by saying 735 00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:19.119 that, no, do I have proof of otherwise? No? I do 736 00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:24.760 not. So I'm not going to try to go against people with that kind 737 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:30.159 of knowledge and say that maybe these things do or don't because I don't know. 738 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:36.199 I only can tell you from my experiences. I don't I don't see 739 00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:44.960 that. I see a living, breathing, bleeding animal. But let's get 740 00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:50.400 away from the animal terminology. To me, this is more of a Neanderthal 741 00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:52.880 type creature. I guess it's what I want to say. I mean, 742 00:54:52.960 --> 00:55:00.119 if for you know, I'm no scientist, I'm no crypto leology. Just 743 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:01.639 I don't know what the hell the coat up. I call it what I 744 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:05.400 see it, And it's a big son of a gun and it runs upright 745 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:12.360 and it eats it, use it it lives. Am I knowledged enough to 746 00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:16.519 go against some of the greatest minds in this field? And I'm going to 747 00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:22.239 call these people my great minds in this field? Because these are not your 748 00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:28.199 year BFRO type television people. These are true grit, down to earth, 749 00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:36.360 good hearted, honest men and women that I'm going to take into consideration because 750 00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:39.679 I don't judge a man by their knowledge. I judge them by their character. 751 00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:44.239 And if I can trust you, I trust you. If I don't 752 00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:49.440 trust you, you mean nothing to me. Right And I can honestly say 753 00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:53.960 that if my life was in jeopardy, mister Steve himself how to Hunt dot 754 00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:57.599 Com one of the greatest big game guys you're ever going to come across, 755 00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:01.360 period, hands down the man of s and he's done it. M Scott 756 00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:06.519 Carpenter. I trust him out of my life and I have trusted my life 757 00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:10.280 with him. Let's not just say that. I'm just saying that I have 758 00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:15.920 taken his ideology and applied it to things around here that we're happening. That 759 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:22.159 has truly brought easement on this. Yeah you've seen results. Yeah, I've 760 00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:27.239 seen results. Now, this man didn't just dream this stuff up. I 761 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:30.159 mean things that he has had me doing. I'm not going to go into 762 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:36.800 details, because if people are having these issues and they need to reach out 763 00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:42.239 for help, there's there's truly help available. But you have to go with 764 00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:46.000 an open mind. Well, here's what I'll do. I'll I don't I 765 00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:49.880 have a YouTube channel, but believe it or not, I don't watch too 766 00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:53.079 much YouTube. I'll work. I'll work all day, but and then and 767 00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:57.239 then, if I'm not working, i'm working on a video or I'm talking 768 00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:59.719 to people like you, I just don't have time to sit and watch. 769 00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:05.679 But I'll find their channels and I'll link them below. If they're popular on 770 00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:10.079 YouTube, then people probably probably already know about them. There's also another you 771 00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:15.760 were talking about killing one or or killing one if you had to, there's 772 00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:23.360 absolute I will there's a channel in two guys in West Virginia, and they 773 00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:28.559 apparently have I just found their channel. Somebody sent me a link to their 774 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.440 video. It's called Old bears Den of Bigfoot. These guys are in West 775 00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:37.239 Virginia. In the first video, I pulled up the guys talking about he's 776 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:42.679 following up on some stories that he shared on his channel, and he's talking 777 00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:45.039 about these people killing them so they can be killed. He's like, well, 778 00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:50.559 this one that was, you know, trying to bang down his door, 779 00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:52.119 trying to reach in the window. He wound. He finally wound up 780 00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:58.599 killing the thing. And I don't know what people do with the carcasses after 781 00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:04.000 they kill them, if they just take the front endloader and excavator and bury 782 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:08.480 them, or what they do and they don't report it for fear of ridicule 783 00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:13.519 or whatever. But I can bring some light into that subject real quick. 784 00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:15.679 That would put a lot of people's minds at ease. And I think if 785 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:21.039 somebody would listen truly to what I have to say as far as what happens 786 00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.679 when you kill one, I think it's going to shed a lot of light 787 00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:28.000 on these people that are being ridiculed that have said they have killed one, 788 00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:32.280 came publicly with that information, and everybody braids them over where's the carcass? 789 00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:36.239 Wears this? Where's that? I'm going to tell you right now, if 790 00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:42.039 you see one, They're never alone. I'm telling you. Experience tells me 791 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:47.599 this first hand experience. These are never alone. When you are in that 792 00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:52.559 fearful of the situation that you are taking the life, you're not going to 793 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.960 come out and stand above it and stare at it. You're going to leave 794 00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:00.360 and you're going to collect your thoughts and you're going to come back. By 795 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:06.000 then they have collected that they're dead and they are gone. And I would 796 00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.159 say, after you take the shot, you knock one down, you need 797 00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.320 to keep your eyes open and get them off of that thing you just hit 798 00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:20.599 and start watching your flanks that you know, a big part of this whole 799 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:27.840 topic of bigfoot is people using critical thinking skills in my opinion, and the 800 00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:32.559 flesh and blood animal is just logical. It's it's a predator. It's just 801 00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.320 logical thinking. And I know that's how you see it. And I and 802 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:43.840 with your with your experience and your run ins with these things, and they're 803 00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:49.079 they're taking money. I mean, you just lost a ten year client over 804 00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:52.679 over these things. So I mean, and and folks, these hunts are 805 00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:58.679 not cheap. I mean these folks people who hunt these big game animals in 806 00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:01.639 the high country in the West. Let me put it out there for people. 807 01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:06.599 This this is these chopyol counts or twelve thousand, five hundred dollars right 808 01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:09.920 for a fully guided seven day chopel counts twelve thousand, five hundred dollars, 809 01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:15.000 you know, And this is a man that has hunted with me for ten 810 01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:19.840 years. You do the math. People at twelve thousand, five hundred dollars 811 01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.760 a hunt. This man spent one hundred thirty hundred forty thousand dollars over the 812 01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:29.719 years, a hundred with me to never again willingly stepped foot on a mountaintop 813 01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:32.400 in his life. This man has never picked a rifle up since. And 814 01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:37.000 I know this for a fact. He has never stepped foot off of a 815 01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:44.440 paved trail since its occurrence. Wow, was it just the rock, Mike? 816 01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:46.119 Was it just the rock? That is? That? Is that all 817 01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:52.400 he experienced? The rock and the sighting. I did not. Now let's 818 01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:58.280 clear that I never saw it. I was focused on these elks that we're 819 01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:02.639 looking in the direct and that rocket came at the time, I was unaware 820 01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:07.320 of that. I did not know that they had seen something or were aware 821 01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:13.480 of something until the rock hit and heil took off. I was focused on 822 01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:20.880 judging the quality of these bulls. He had seen something never to be spoken 823 01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:24.199 of. Ever, I can't get a word out of his mouth as too 824 01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:30.360 far as what he saw. All He'll say, point blank, I will 825 01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:34.679 never go in the woods again. I know what I saw. That's all 826 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.159 he'll tell you. He will not go into any detail. He will not 827 01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:43.679 say a word otherwise. And I've tried since two thousand and fourteen to get 828 01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:45.079 him to talk to me, to get him to come back up here and 829 01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:51.039 hunt with me. I've offered him a free fully Guided mulebeer and calbo hunt 830 01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.280 fully Guided. That's twenty two thousand dollars worth a hunt. He won't come 831 01:01:53.360 --> 01:02:00.639 up here. He's probably a successful guy and an achiever, and he probably 832 01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:04.760 doesn't want to very so he probably doesn't want his name associated with it. 833 01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:08.360 And I can see that. I mean I could, I can see that. 834 01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:14.559 I'm shameless. I don't mind talking about it, but but I've never 835 01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:16.400 had an encounter, so I don't, you know, I don't, I 836 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:20.360 don't really. I mean, if somebody asked me, I'm just like, 837 01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:23.679 I've never seen one. But I've heard a lot of stories, which you 838 01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:28.599 know. And what kills me with this subject is you talk to somebody about 839 01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:31.159 it and all you're making that up, and it's like you think, for 840 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:35.199 one second, I'm gonna cut the hand that feeds me, son, Are 841 01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:37.280 you out of your mind? Right? I go public with this, I 842 01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:45.559 stand to nothing, gain nothing but lose everything. This honey is eighty percent 843 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:52.480 of this ranch's money intake. Every year eight of our yearly income is honey, 844 01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:54.760 And you think coming forward, I stand a game by that, Are 845 01:02:54.760 --> 01:03:01.639 you kidding me? I don't advertise guided sessk wants viewings. I don't advertise 846 01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:05.000 none of the sort because I know what that's going to do to me. 847 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.639 So I have everything to lose by coming forward. I have nothing to gain 848 01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:13.559 by it. So anybody that mocks these people to come forward and tell their 849 01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:16.400 stories, I'll be the first one to stand up and tell you to kiss 850 01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:20.760 my ass and kiss their asses too, because I'm telling you, these people 851 01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.639 gain nothing, nothing, no by telling their story. Which brings us full 852 01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:30.840 circle to when we talked. Now, for everybody listening, I do these 853 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:36.880 interviews cold Mike started telling a little bit of his story before we started recording. 854 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:38.400 I said, hold on, I don't want to waste your time. 855 01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:42.880 I just want you to tell at one time. But I can usually tell 856 01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:46.519 on the front end if a guy knows what he's talking about. And but 857 01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:52.559 the reason that you were willing to when I ask you to do a recorded 858 01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:58.280 interview was you want people to know something about these things. Why don't you 859 01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:00.719 or do you feel like you've been through that enough? Or do you want 860 01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:04.159 to do. You want to kind of wind up and sell. What it 861 01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:11.159 boils down to is if you want to step back into the nostalgia of this 862 01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:15.159 whole thing for just a minute. Okay, missing four one one, let's 863 01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:17.159 start there for just a second. I don't want to get case to case 864 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:24.320 by it, but let's start with this. Thousands of people disappear in national 865 01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:30.280 parks across the US each year, each year, thousands of documented disappearance. 866 01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:34.480 Is not a single trace some of these disappearances. And I'm not going to 867 01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:39.760 say a little number. I'm not saying five or ten. I'm saying sixty 868 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:42.119 percent of these. If you want to do the research, people, it's 869 01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:45.440 out there. Sixty percent of these are very experienced, very experienced hikers, 870 01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:53.199 very very experienced backcountry hikers. These people know what they're doing, and they're 871 01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:59.000 disappearing without a trace. These are people that have never had suicidal issues, 872 01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:03.519 They've never had mental issues. These are very fit, very trained, very 873 01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:10.599 knowledgeable people going back in these parts back country and disappearing. There's more to 874 01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:14.920 this than meet the I. People need to be aware of what's out here. 875 01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:18.320 And if you are one of those that now it doesn't exist, it 876 01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:23.880 doesn't exist, fine, so be it. Have your opinion, but damn 877 01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:26.840 it be versed in what could be there, because I'm telling you people, 878 01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:33.280 they're there. And if you happen to cause paths And I'm not saying this 879 01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:36.719 is what's happening in these four one cases, I'm not. But what I'm 880 01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:41.639 saying is there's a damn good probability a lot of this can be tied to 881 01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:46.280 this because what if you happen to step into a then sight and they've got 882 01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:50.599 young and they God forbid, but they kill you to protect they're young. 883 01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:56.960 I mean, I'm putting it out there simply all I'm doing. Be aware. 884 01:05:57.079 --> 01:05:59.840 I mean, this is as real as you and I are bathing talk 885 01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:06.039 well again, critical thinking and logic would tell you that it's not the natural 886 01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:12.440 predators that roam at least you're part of the country. The biggest predator we 887 01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:17.880 have down here's a cotton mouthed snake. We have coyotes. So but in 888 01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:23.000 your part of the world, I mean, you have big man eating predator. 889 01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:25.559 They will kill a man. They can kill a man, let's put 890 01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:28.360 it that way. Yeah. Absolutely, I don't know that they do that 891 01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:31.840 much. But um but when they do. Over the last few years, 892 01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:38.119 we've had a lot of black bear fatalities. We've had many cougar attacks, 893 01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:42.199 not so much fatalities, but attacks that there have been several fatalities in the 894 01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:45.159 last ten years over black bear here. But what but when they do the 895 01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:50.719 black bear we're talking about, Yeah, when a bear or or a mountain 896 01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:57.480 line takes a human as prey, that half the carcasses, bones, a 897 01:06:57.599 --> 01:07:01.880 skeletal structure or something is left. And we're recovering these, yes, but 898 01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:08.360 on the recovery is one hundred percent so far. So the missing four one 899 01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:12.559 one thing. These things that these people just vanish, they don't there's no 900 01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:17.760 sign, there's nothing, nothing, And some of them show back up with 901 01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:21.559 and I haven't read too many of them, but some of them show back 902 01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:26.039 up with one shoe on two weeks later, or you know, there's all 903 01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:30.320 kind of odd circumstances that goes around it. So and it is a mystery. 904 01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:33.559 But I think logic, I think logic will kind of bring you back 905 01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:39.239 to I'm not going to say it, but it brings it will bring you 906 01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:43.840 back to something that I think people like you verify. That's my opinion, 907 01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:48.119 and I think it verifies itself, and I think people are just closed minded 908 01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:53.320 and they don't want to believe out of fear. I think fear drives people 909 01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:58.119 more nathing goes as feared And I feel that if you have to go against 910 01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:00.360 what you've been told in life, it be the fear inside you, and 911 01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:03.480 that fear becomes an animate. You don't want to admit this. You don't 912 01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:09.719 want to use that extra precaution when you take your family up into the wilderness 913 01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:13.400 for the weekend. You don't want to think of that out of spear. 914 01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:18.920 And I think instead of being fearful, you need to be knowledgeable and realize 915 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:25.640 there are things in this world we have no explanation to. Don't discredit it. 916 01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:29.479 Keep it as a safety aspect in your life. Keep it, hold 917 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:32.680 onto it, and think about it when you're doing these kind of activities because 918 01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:39.239 it could happen. It does thousands of times every year. You're the second 919 01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:44.560 person I've talked to, and I feel what you're telling me. I feel 920 01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:50.399 guilty because people ask me a lot. I don't know why they ask me. 921 01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:56.000 But I'm out in the woods all the time. Even though I work 922 01:08:56.079 --> 01:09:00.960 all day, I take breaks. I'll ride my bike out in these you 923 01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:03.920 know, these hardwood forests. I just like being out and I'm always asking 924 01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:11.079 are you carrying? Are you And I never carry I carried a pistol two 925 01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:14.319 years ago through the winter because we had a pack of dogs around here, 926 01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:17.239 and it wasn't to protect me, it was to keep them off my dogs. 927 01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:19.720 And I never ran into them, but I knew they were there. 928 01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:24.119 And you know, i'd see them across a lake, or i'd see them 929 01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:28.600 running through a slough or or a bottom, and usually they're running away from 930 01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:31.600 you, but they pack up. It's not like coyotes. These are domestic 931 01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:38.039 dogs that just go curk and but when that which is ten times as dangerous 932 01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:41.319 as any kyo pack or a wolf pack to begin with, Yeah, coyotes 933 01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:45.239 won't mess kyodies don't mess with people. They avoid people at all costs. 934 01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:48.359 They know, they know what they know, they know we're the top predator. 935 01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:56.520 But and I tell people just going because I enjoy the woods so much. 936 01:09:56.720 --> 01:10:01.079 I mean, every single day I'm out there alone and I just love 937 01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:05.560 it. I love it. But our wilderness. I can walk a mile 938 01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:09.840 to the north here and I'm gonna hit a road if I walk to the 939 01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:13.359 east, I'm gonna hit a road in a half a mile. So it's 940 01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:17.479 not like where you live. We live in very tame We live in a 941 01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:24.039 very tame environment down here in Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, Florida. Maybe 942 01:10:24.079 --> 01:10:28.279 it's a little different. I think they have some larger predators down there, 943 01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:33.079 But where you are, it's a different story. And I don't know how 944 01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:41.000 to juxtapose or you know what put on the balance scale to tell people to 945 01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:45.359 please the outdoors is so much fun and it's so nice and it's good for 946 01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:50.800 you and not to try not to think about. You know, there are 947 01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:57.720 very very few cases of these sasquatch creatures. Matter of fact, I'm not 948 01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:01.760 even sure I know of any where they're a how do you say it, 949 01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:08.920 a verified case of one killing somebody because it's still considered acryptid but on too 950 01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:14.039 cliche exactly. But on the other hand, it might be a little dangerous, 951 01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:17.439 So I don't Maybe I should just refrain from giving advice. But I 952 01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:25.760 can only speak from my experience, and I have never other than you know, 953 01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:30.000 big fat cotton mouse. Where we live in delta areas, and it's 954 01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:36.920 swampy, it's wet, it's full of big swollen cypress tree trunks and cypress 955 01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:44.279 kneeze. It's so different than where you live that it's just that's my experience 956 01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:48.479 and that's where I come from. But by the way, Colorado is probably 957 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:54.960 my favorite state. I remember when we my dad took us there camping when 958 01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:59.479 we were kids, and we camped at a place called I think it's called 959 01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:03.479 Lake View. It's a it's a reservoir there, just I think it's a 960 01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:10.000 little north of Gunnison. Yes, it is um And I remember I was 961 01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:15.479 man eight or nine years old and we had camped and we were trout fishing 962 01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:18.720 in that reservoir. We're catching trout like crazy, and I had never never 963 01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:23.560 caught trout before. And you know, just a Southern boy. And I 964 01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:29.479 remember one it was it was dusk, just enough light over the mountain where 965 01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:32.000 the sky was just you know misty blue, you know that blue at the 966 01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:36.000 end of the day. Yeah, And here here comes these two cowboys on 967 01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:40.680 horses. It was a Friday night, and I know they had just gotten 968 01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:45.439 off work and they were riding full I mean, I don't know much about 969 01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:48.760 horse riding, but they were riding full steam ahead on these horses in their 970 01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:53.800 hats were blown back, and you know they had their they had their hats 971 01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:58.159 tied down under their chins and just whipping those horses back. And I thought 972 01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:03.199 that I will never forget that image. Those guys were having so much fun. 973 01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:12.159 And everybody I've ever met that grew up in the rural areas of Colorado, 974 01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:15.359 I've never met a person out there I didn't like. And you guys 975 01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:20.920 have more you guys have more fun. And but you've got such a playground 976 01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:26.199 there. It's awesome. I mean, it's just unbelievable. But that's just 977 01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:28.560 a memory I had, and I wanted to let you know. And you're 978 01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:30.119 one of them, Mike, You're one of the guys that I've talked to. 979 01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:33.840 You're easy to talk to, your you've got a good head on your 980 01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:38.479 shoulders. But you got a problem there, and I just wanted to tell 981 01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:41.560 you. I appreciate you coming on and agreeing to do this because I think 982 01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:46.199 it's important stuff. And we'd about an hour or fifteen. Now I can 983 01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:55.520 probably edit out all my blabbering on chickens and cut it down to but I 984 01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:58.560 hope you've got my number. I hope you'll stay in touch with me if 985 01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:00.680 something else comes up, or if you ever want to do this again, 986 01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:05.239 you are always welcome, absolutely, and I love to. I mean, 987 01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:09.760 the more people are informed, better all they are. But let's touch on 988 01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:12.640 that real quick. Where you said you never go armed, I never go 989 01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:15.119 unarmed. Now, when I say unarmed, I'm not open carrying. I 990 01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:18.159 don't believe in an open carry. I think it makes the fool of a 991 01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:23.039 man to carry an open style like that. This isn't the old West. 992 01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:27.000 I carry concealed for a reason because I don't want anybody to know that I'm 993 01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:29.760 armed. Number one. Number two, I know that I am, and 994 01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:33.239 that's all that matters, right, And I encourage anybody that's taken their children, 995 01:14:33.319 --> 01:14:38.520 their families camping to take a firearm. Keep it concealed, but keep 996 01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:42.680 it ready. You never know, and it's always better to have it and 997 01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:45.640 not need it than need it and not have it. Simply put, it's 998 01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:50.840 great advice, great advice. So any advice I've ever given people, well 999 01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:55.279 one advice, I'm just telling you I don't. I don't carry when I'm 1000 01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:59.000 in the woods unless I know there's a pack of dogs out there or something 1001 01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:01.479 that I might have to get off my dogs. But Mike's giving you some 1002 01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:05.479 good advice and I would heat that. And if you're camping or hiking or 1003 01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:10.199 whatever, find a place to to, you know, slip that pistol in 1004 01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:15.560 your waistband or whatever. There are a thousand ways to carry and properly, 1005 01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:20.520 properly carry exactly, and so Carrie, just for self protection, that's a 1006 01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:24.159 good idea. Well, listen, I'm gonna wind this up. We get 1007 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:27.439 past an hour and people quit listening, but I think I think people are 1008 01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:30.520 going to be really interested in this. And again, thanks again for coming 1009 01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:33.680 on, and guys, I appreciate your listen with me. Yeah, you're 1010 01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:38.279 welcome. Appreciate you listening this far. And we'll see you guys on the 1011 01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:38.920 next video.