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We're just gonna jump right into it. I have Mike on the phone.

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Mike is in Colorado. He's a
big game hunter, big game outfitter in

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Colorado. I don't know what part
of the state he's in, but southwest

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southwest Colorado. He's gonna es her
is Poeblo in the southwest. Mike,

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Well, I don't live in Pueblo. Our ranch is southwestern Colorado. We

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live in Jars, Colorado. Okay. The reason I was asking, I've

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got some contact with a woman down
there close to Poeblo, and she's got

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some weird things going on too.
But anyway, Mike contacted me and told

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me that he's got some really unusual
stuff going on with his lease and his

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ranch, and I just wanted to
talk to him. I wanted you to

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hear his story. So, Mike, if you just want to start from

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the beginning and just tell us all
what you want us to hear about this

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stuff. So just go. Well, as you've stated, my name's Mike,

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m I own an operator working ranch
and I the six hundred acres total

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that's owned. I've got another eleven
thousand acres that are leased in southwestern Colorado.

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UM, we do guided big game
hunts. We do heel, deer,

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bear, elk, mountain, lion, um, pretty much anything that

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would walk these heels we hunt.
And we also are a full working kettle

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ranch. And this all started in
two thousand and fourteen. Um. I've

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been on this ground though, let's
just get that in the air. I've

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been here my life. I was
born and raised on this ranch, and

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there had never been anything until the
first instance that I was aware of.

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It was twenty fourteen. UM.
I was. I had two elk hunt

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clients at the time. I had
two guides full time at then. UM.

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We were overlooking some of the dark
timber um and we had from our

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position to the timber itself. We
were sitting at some ol quake. He's

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on a hillside looking down into the
timber, and it was forty seven yards,

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you know, from us to the
timber, and we had a seventy

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to ninety pound rock and it was
thrown uphill from the dark timber and landed.

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No. I mean, this is
this, honest to God's truth.

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He landed an inch and a half
from a client. And this is not

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your average client. This guy's hunted
with me since two thousand and two.

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Now we're talking twenty fourteen. This
is his twelfth year hunting on this ranch,

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and that rock would have literally killed
the man had it a hitting.

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I mean it was thrown forty seven
yards and it came with some with some

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velocity. I guess I had left
a four and a half inch imprint in

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the ground where I hit. Holy
crap. Okay, go ahead. This

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client's exact words to me were getting
me the hell off this mountain and get

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me the hell out of here.
This is a pay hunter. These these

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aren't free be hunts. These are
these are pay hunts. And when a

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man that has hunted the world over
tells you to get you, you know,

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get him the hill off this mountain, you know it's serious. Not

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a word of anything had been spoken
between us the ride down. Um,

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I've got two outfit or shacks on
this property that we guide out of,

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you know. And upon arrival at
the shack we were staying in, it's

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it's more like cabins. I guess
we call him outfit or shacks, but

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they're little one bedroom cabins. Um. He turned to us and said,

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this is not what I meant he
said when I told you to get me

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the hill off this mountain. I
want off this mountain we ended up on

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and that's day three of a seven
day pay hunt, and we ended up

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packing this man all the way out
back to the ranch and at which point

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drove him to the airport and the
way he went. He's never been back

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since. Man Um. Yeah,
this is a paid hunter, you know.

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And like I said, this was
his twelve year hunting with us,

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and I haven't heard a word from
the man since. Now. I know.

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I know you've got a lot more
to tell, but I and I

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hope you don't mind interrupting, but
I've just got a couple of questions.

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So you're born and raised on this
property, and you know these woods,

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you know, you know the wildlife, you know how to hunt them,

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track them. I mean, you
know everything you're saying that I thought was

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here. Yeah, But all of
a sudden in twenty fourteen just pops up.

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Do you Is it too early to
talk about that at this point or

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were you going to get to that. I'm curious how all your do you

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think these things have migrated in?
Do you think it's bigfoot? I know

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it is without a doubt in my
minyn On and sill it. It's like

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anything in life that you got to
tell somebody about. Half of them laugh

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at you, the other half think
you're crazy. In you got a few

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selects you, including yourself, that
even think you are crazy. And but

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no, I know exactly what it
is. I've been here in my whole

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life. There's been instances prior to
this, but it was never anything like

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what had occurred, and so I
always shook them off as being you know

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bs stories that my grandpa would tell
us. I've never believed it right right

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until I picked that rock up and
I attempted to throw it down the hill,

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and the rock landed less than twelve
feet from where I chucked it.

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You know, I'm I'm six foot
four, two hundred and forty pounds.

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I know I'm pretty good side his
boy. I've packed elk out all the

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time. Deer, you know,
were pretty healthy guys up on this ranch.

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And I couldn't chock that rock very
far and it came up hill.

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We watched it, We watched it
come over the timber at us. I

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mean, it was plain as daylight, right. And when you asked me,

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do I know what's here? Absolutely
I knew what I thought lived in

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these woods. And I've never had
a deer throw anything at me. I've

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never had an elk throw anything at
me. I've never seen a bear pick

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a rock up and chuck it at
somebody. Just something to do. So,

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I mean, explanation fits itself,
right. So that's two thousand and

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fourteen, this is two thou this
is two twenty. That's a lot of

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you're a little concerned about all this, and uh so what's transpired since that

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first elk hunter? Well, we
got, like I said that, the

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two cabins. Every year, Um, we close them down January thirty first,

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empty am out. And these are
these aren't you know, you're not

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driving to these cabins. These are
these are rough backwoods, full guided horseback

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hunts. You're not you're driving to
these places. These aren't the trout that

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you'd see the BFR or any of
these clowns on TV that are hunting big

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foot, that are walking in there
and then they walk up a single ridge

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of linen, say oh there's oh, this is you know, from the

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house itself at eighty two hundred feet
to twelve thousand feet in altitude, we

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got fourteen thousand foot peaks in the
background here that we hunt, and it's

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true back timber, you know,
big country hunts. And so when I

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say these cabins, these aren't you
know, you're not getting in a car

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and driving to this cabin. This
is the west cabins a twelve and a

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half mile ride in on horseback.
The southwest cabin is fifteen and a half

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miles, right. And so we
when we're done for the season, you

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know, with the guided hunts,
we close them up and we'll come back

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early in the spring and get them
opened back up, make sure there's no

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damage from winter trees falling, et
cetera, et cetera. Just you know,

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we spend a lot of time because, like I said that these hunts

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are eighty percent of the revenue that
this ranster sees. On a uarly basis,

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the cattle markets so up and down
anymore. I try not to focus

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on cattle as heavy as we used
to hear, you know, such as

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my father and my grandfather's days.
But so's you know, the guiding is

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a pretty lucrative business. It keeps
this ranch alive, it keeps four people

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employed, and it keeps my girlfriend
pretty happy, you know, during the

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year and time. So we spend
a lot of time taking care of this

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property. It's not a fly by
night kind operation. Right. Oh,

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so you're you're you're a little concerned
this is going to cut into your your

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livelihood. Uh yeah, because as
I stated that, the first actual like

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I don't know what you'd call it
an instance or don't I'm not quite sure

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what you want to call it.
The first warning. Perhaps we could call

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that, I guess from a rocklestrodnis, I don't know. Yeah, Um,

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it's progressively gotten worse. Um,
we thought in two thousand and fifteen,

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the spring of two thy fifteen,
you know, we had twenty fourteen,

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which is September first January, and
then we go back up in the

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spring. So now' in twenty fifteen
we go up in the cabins or just

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tour to health. I mean they
are it looked like tornadoes hit them,

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but we don't have tornadoes in Colorado
right here, It's never been one.

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Yeah, so we had supply.
Now this is another time. It's a

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costly adventure doing this because everything's got
to be flown in. You know,

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you can't carry four by each chet
supply wood four by each cheats and the

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insulation up in here on horseback,
you just can't do it. And so

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we had you know, a local
pilot, helicopter pilot fly in a bunch

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of supplies. We fix the cabins
back up, and throughout the summer we

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had many instances of doors being just
knocked in, stuff being thrown around,

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wood burning stoves thrown outside. I
mean things that you know you're going to

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scratch your head to it, because
why would anybody be back here to begin

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with? In this country? I
mean, everything around me is private except

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my lease, which you know is
private too because I have the lease rights

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to it. Right, So this
isn't you know BLM within a mile of

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us that somebody would be trespassing the
nearest the nearest BLM you know, public

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lands are eighteen miles I think to
the west of us. So if it

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is people doing it, you know
what we were thinking, then then they

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fight back in there quite a ways, and you know, why would they

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do that just to tear stuff up? Yeah, just it makes no sense.

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And so what we've done is we've
we started, you know, summer

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twenty fifteen, just kind of fixing
things, and I got a wild idea

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by Steve at how to hunt dot
com about bear boards, and I said,

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well, let's try it a bear
board for those of you that aren't

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familiar with the locket cabin up the
winner in Alaska. You'll take two by

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sixes and you'll drive three in screws, I mean hundreds up in these two

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by sixes, and you just lay
them around the property of access points to

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your cabins where the bears noda,
you know, carrying a door or tear

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through a window or etc. And
then get into these cabins. So we

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did that and it didn't work.
Let's put it lightly. What happened was

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is the boards had gotten dug up
and they were stuck into the side of

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the sighting of the cabins like somebody
thrilled it like a baseball bat. Like

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the boards were used as a baseball
bat and swung into the sides of the

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cabin so hard at bury three in
screws. I'm sure anybody out there they

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were driven a screw knows how hard
to drive a three and screw in the

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summits, especially when there's hundreds of
them on a board. And these boards

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were swung into the sides of the
cabin not a single screw had been stripped

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like a drill had done it and
had as many screws that were in the

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boards. I guarantee, if you're
if you're doing that on the screw,

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you you better have packed in a
hundred batteries with you. So that was

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one of the weird things that we
kind of noticed, Like, you know,

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I just had to scratch in our
heads as far as you know,

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what the hell are we dealing with
here? And so it got to the

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point we just it's kind of common
to expect now that we got to fix

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the cabins all the time. So
that's where we're at with that. And

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then in two thousand and fifteen hunting
season and old a round Plan one.

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I'm going to get it too.
Here we had we had some undred We

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had some hunters up here. I
had four of my husband, a wife,

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and two kids, and they were
on their first ailcount. It was

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kind of neat, you know,
to do a family hunt like that's pretty

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fun, and so I took them. I took them personally, you know,

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I didn't I had my other guides, you know, guiding them.

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I think they were doing lion hunt
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and then I took this family to
help, and the son, the

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youngest son, I don't I don't
think I would probably named names, but

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his name was Trevor. I just
won't use their last name. But Trevor

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killed a real nice flight by six
bull elk, this stuff fifteen year old

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boy. So during that he,
you know, we got his bull,

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and we got it quartered up and
processed and all as far as field processing

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would go. I caped the bull
out for a mount and away we went

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back back into the cabin and h
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people are familiar with an elk,
but they're a big animal, you know.

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And when you got clients with kids
and you're by yourself, you know,

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the sacious death to dudes. Get
your clients and their kids back to

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camp, and you go back in
and pack the reats back in. That's

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what I had planned to do.
And I went back in. I had

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left the hind quarters of this elk
and the red cage. I took the

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front quarters. I took the cape
and the head and the backstraps and tender

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goings out as part of the first
load back to camp. And I went

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back and the hind quarters were gone, and I said, well, what

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the heck you on? So I
walked for probably a good three miles,

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probably going in circles. There wasn't
a drag mark anywhere. And if you've

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ever kicked up an al quarter,
you know, an al quarter, hinds

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one hundred hundred and fifty pounds,
you know on these were hid on the

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on rush quarter, you know,
laying they're ready to be finished, deep

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boned and packed out. And I
found it ironic that these had been carried

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off. I mean two quarters,
that's three hundred pounds of meat. Um,

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they're on the drag mark. And
that's what throwed me the most,

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is on me. You know,
if kayo, we don't have wolves m

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up here at all. So on
the on the base, I'm going to

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say it could have been an outline. It could have been better harder than

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kayos. Well, number one,
there'd be drag marks because neither neither one

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of the step for a bear is
going to carry it off. When a

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barrel carry a short distance and then
a barrel you know, eat, it'll

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carry it again. And then within
usually of any kiel I've ever seen,

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within one hundred and fifty to two
hundred yards. The bear will burry it

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right and they'll come back in the
feed. And I've seen this thousands of

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times. I mean, this isn't
something I'm guessing that this is first hand

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experience. I deal with it for, you know, years and years on

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the ranch. I've seen thousands of
bear keel mount lying keel. They're they're

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all buried, and they're within a
hundred yards of the kill site to begin

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with. Generally speaking, sometimes you'll
get them where they'll carry them a little

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closer in. If they've got a
Danner cub nearby, they'll they'll take it

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in one hundred and fifty two hundred
yards. But that's a very, very

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exception to the case. Kayot's,
on the other hand, they'll eat the

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right where it's at there. You
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They're an opportunist. They're going to
eat it right there on the spot

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or what they can, and they'll
come back until it's finished. These are

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vanished. There wasn't nothing. There
wasn't nothing. I mean there's and this

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is hard rocky rocky trained or you
know, so you're not going to get

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tracks, but you would get drag
barks. So later on in that week

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that was kind of the end of
that. Later on that week, Jeanette

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it was her name, She took
a big cow. Help that afternoon,

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we feel dressed it, and then
I had noticed a couple of bulls less

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than probably four hundred yards from where
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husband was anxious to get on a
bulls. So I said, let's leave

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the cow, we'll come back.
We're gonna knock on these bulls down.

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We'll come back, get a boat
back that of year. So I went

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and radioed one of my guides to
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you know, we already had one
cow help down. I went ahead and

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field dressed, and then we took
off after these bulls, and we ended

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up probably all a thousand to fifteen
hundred yards later on these bulls, and

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he took a nice sixth flight bull
elk And so here I was processed and

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you know, breaking down that bull
and getting here ready for a you know,

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for a mount bike. We uh
skin them out and keep them,

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you know, that way he can
mount the animal. And then anything that

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where I've removed hide, i'd take
the meat immediately put it in game bag,

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so it's not getting dirty, etc. And generally speaking, all either

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rear quarters still hide on that way. When I come back, it's easy

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to just hide him right there,
break them down, and bring him out

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of them. So about four in
the afternoon, my guide gets back up

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in there to us. You know, like I said, this isn't a

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drive in location. It's it's it's
a long way, and it's US country.

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This isn't going to the zoo or
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This is serious backwoods country. And
nah, he gets in there and

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we get the US up. Bull
broke down and back in and I said,

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well, let's go get this cow
out of here. Now, mind

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you, all I had done was
spiel dressed this cow, which is getting

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it. Basically, I didn't break
any corners down. I didn't nothing.

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Just we get it or it's cold
here, will come back and break it

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down. And we get back and
this elks thirteen foot in the tree.

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Figure that one out, oh man, thirteen foot like wedged up in a

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wine the trunk or something, or
she was she was thirteen foot up in

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a in a deep wedge of a
cottonwood now or not. I'm sorry,

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I'm an aspen right now. When
I tell you she was wedged these aspen

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had growed together, so one aspen
had come kind of straight up and the

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other one had growed across that aspen
tree, which made a pretty big V

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shaped wedge. And like I told
you, it was thirteen foot. I

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measured it. I knew exactly to
the inch how I was. I mean

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it was thirteen foot in here a
full cow elk carcass man that is.

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That is so. I know I
sound like a novice at this, but

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all of these strange things, these
things lead behind just blows me away.

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The things that they do with with
you know, hunters kills and stuff they

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kill. It's just unreal. So
did you guys get up in there and

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get that cow out of the tree
or what did you do? We couldn't.

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I mean a full born cow elk, you know, we're talking four

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hundred pound animal. And the way
she was wedged in there was like when

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they was put in that wedge,
it was pulled and then trees kind of

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come apart a little bit to wedge
it even tighter. So what we ended

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up doing is we couldn't get her
out and leave the trees. We ended

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up cutting one of the asp and
down and she fell to the ground and

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we had noticed her legs. This
is another weird kind of I don't know

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why, and I don't claim to
know why, but her legs were snapped

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off at the knees, all four
legs and tied almost like a damn backpack

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strap would be wow, you know
they were. They were literally pulled together

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and tied like it carried it like
a backpack if that makes sense to you.

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How the legs had been broke and
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just that floppiness enough to tie the
hide around each other and pulled tight.

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I mean it was tied like a
backpack. And we kind of looked

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at each other and just scratched our
heads like you know that, and I

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think would have done now, this
is can't be there. I've killed probably

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myself thirty mile lines over the years
up here, probably twenty five bear myself.

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I've never seen nothing like this,
right, And so we ended up

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breaking that countdown and getting her back
to camp, and you know, that

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was pretty uneventful. The rest of
the season twenty sixteen, same kind of

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thing. Cabins just screwed with a
little bit hunters messed with rocks throat at

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us. Uh, let's see,
let's get this twenty eighteen. Let's let

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no, no, no, let's
do twenty nineteen. Let's cut to the

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real good stuff. You're twenty nineteen. My wife comes leus he's my girlfriend,

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not my wife. Comes in the
house and she has this look at

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just disbelief on her face. This
girl has lived up here with me for

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three years now. And I said, what's wrong, honey, And she

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says, we ain't got no chickens. Said what she said, The chickens

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are gone. I said, what
are you talking about? She said,

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my goat's gone and the chickens are
gone. So I throw my boots on.

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You know, it's it's five o'clock
in the morning. I don't up.

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I just got off a haul and
some kettle and she's telling me the

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chickens are gone. So I'm thinking, all right, she left the door

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open. The chickens got out last
night, that's all I'm no. The

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chicken coop was still locked, but
it had been turned over on its side.

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Something picked the chicken coop up and
turned it over. Now this is

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not let's make it clear This isn't
a chicken coop that you go buy on

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Amazon that holds thirty chickens. This
is a two by six built fourteen by

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I think it was eight fourteen by
eight coop had been lifted up onto it

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and flippover on inside and the chickens. Now, the gate gets socked at

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night. Something or reached over the
wire, the chicken wire, and pulled

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them out of there. Figure that
out, every one of them, fifty

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five chickens were gone, No dead
chickens lying around anything, just gone.

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Not a single one of them dead
nowhere. But the coop. It's like,

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it's hard to even say stuff like
this allowed to people because tell you

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even think yourself you're crazy talking about
it. You know. But the gate,

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you know, the chicken coop gets
locked at night because there are foxes

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and coyotes up here. You know, we've never had a problem around the

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house, but but we still take
precautions because we're working ranch, and so

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we locked the gate at night,
and then the chicken coop gets closed up

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and it gets a little lock on
there. Now, the lock isn't locked

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on the coop itself. At the
gate, it is locked and the only

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funny thing is is the coop just
sits on the ground. You know,

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you got your straw in there,
you got your nesting boxes and then your

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roosting areas and the coop. But
it was pushed over and then the chicken

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scraped from out of it. I
know, sounds crazy. That's amazing.

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A pigmy goat that I got her
for. She's always wanted a goat,

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I agree, don't ask she got
this stupid goat. It was her little

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pal bolder everywhere, bottle fed it
from from the time I got it until

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it would grow that this goat was
like a stupid dog. You know,

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it was literally a dog at this
point. It wasn't even goat. Yeah,

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but it lived in the chicken coop. Yeah, uh yeah, lived

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in the chick It was gone.
The goat was gone. Something took the

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goat too, and fifty five chickens
taking oh unreal, right up close to

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your house. I mean this,
it's a quarter mile behind the house,

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right right. Did you guys let
the chickens out in free range dare in

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the day or just keep them cooped
out? Absolutely? Absolutely okay, And

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that's why we hence the reason we
locked the gate. At night, right

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right, because they would go back
into the coop themselves in the evening,

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you know, and and we just
go up, shut the door, locked

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the gate, and go inside.
It was done for the day. So

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there's there's how that happened. Um
the goat, y'all never did find it.

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Never found a stegn wanna chickens.
And I've been all over these mountains,

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but so we don't have any chickens
just cruising round up here on the

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hills, you know, like they're
having the time of their life. So

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did you replace the chickens? Yes? Any any other other trouble with your

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new chickens? Yeah? Absolutely,
we never have eggs. Man, I'm

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having the same problem. But go
ahead. We've got forty Rhode Island reds.

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Well it's mixed. There's twenty Rhode
Island red hens. We've got twenty

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wine dots and out of forty chickens. Not what we would like to do

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normally, which well, let's not
weave this situation. Let's put it back

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to where it belongs. What she
likes to do is take the eggs to

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town and she just dispenses them amongst
who ever wants eggs. This is kind

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of her little hobby. You know, they are these these damn chickens.

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Yeah, and of course we eat
them too, you know, but there's

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no way we're eating forty eggs a
day, right. But what's even funnier

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about the whole situation is that,
um, she will get to the point

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that she would just it didn't matter
who you are. If you want eggs,

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here's eggs. Kind of dealing.
And we went from these were now

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mature birds starting to lay, you
know, and you get your pullet eggs

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for a little while, and we
were leaving the pullet eggs, crumbling them

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up and three feeding, and then
they started to actually produce you know,

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good sized brown eggs and stuff,
and you know, pretty large eggs,

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you know. So we stalked up
on ours and then started giving them out

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again. It just died. It
just kind of one day. It was

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like she went to get eggs,
and low and behind there's like two eggs.

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I mean, they're forty chickens two
eggs. How does that work?

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You know? But yet nothing was
disturbed. I mean, well, you

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know, I've seen a thousand skunks
and my time come into a chicken coop

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and and they'll eat, you know, some eggs, or they'll gnaw the

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heads off a two chickens. And
they're going right right, I'm talking thirty

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plus eggs at the time, yall. A lot of times a raccono,

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Yeah, a lot of times a
racconal. They won't. If they can

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get a chicken out, they'll take
it with them. Apossum will eat a

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chicken right there. But what's funny
is is, uh, and I don't

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know if y'all have opossums in Colorado, but anyway, and I'm not trying

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to I never do this, and
I forgive me, but I'm having the

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same problem. And we've got thirty
and we just got a mixture of americanas

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and uh, sex lengths, wine
dots, and they're just pets, you

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know. And we we're down to
about thirty. And they molted in the

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fall and the egg production stopped.
Now I'd to thirty chickens, we'd go

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ten days and we wouldn't get a
single egg. Now that's on. They're

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a little they're a little older.
These girls are a little bit older,

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but uh, they're still laying age. And we've got some younger ones.

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But we we went ten days without
any eggs, and then we would have

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one or two when we were getting
you know, twenty to twenty four a

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day out of thirty chickens, so
exactly. And this is this is the

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towards the end of January, and
they've gone through the mold. They've got

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good you know, plumage on them. Their book, they're beautiful, they're

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our winners are nothing like yours here
in Mississippi. But uh, and they

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should be laying. We've got some
sunny days and they should be laying.

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But we're still not getting any eggs. And it's uh. And I've never

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thought of this until you just said
that to you, just talking about getting

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eggs, but you're not getting them. Let's put it that way. They're

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laying eggs. I mean, you're
not gonna I've been around this my whole

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life. And then then chickens.
The chicken. The chicken does two things

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that well three things. It scratches
and eats, it boots, and it

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lays eggs. That's all the chicken
does. And out of thirty chickens,

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you can expect no less than twenty
eggs a day, right, but they're

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laying. You just aren't first in
lying for them eggs. And that's kind

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of what our situation has been.
And it's mind boggling because if it was

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a predator coming in and doing this, like you're saying, if it's a

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coon, a fox of kaya,
what have you, what have you,

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it's going to eat a few of
the chickens. There's gonna be broke eggs

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everywhere because they're not going to eat
the shell. They break the egg open,

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they get the yolk out of it. You know, they're any egg

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and yolk, and then they're gone. You're always going to have, regardless

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bits of postuma, coon, a
fox, et cetera, et cetera,

406
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you're always going to have something left
behind from that predator coming in and doing

407
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,359
that. We don't have that.
We just don't have eggs. I just

408
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,480
can't believe I've got the same I
just I don't think I have the same

409
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:59,319
thing going on that you do.
So or maybe it's just wishful thinking,

410
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,920
but I'm gonna keep I'll grow blackberries
too. And last spring when we got

411
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:12,039
our first we got our first production
of blackberries, I know we had I

412
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:21,119
know we had ten or fifteen gallons
of blackberries on the vine ready to pick

413
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,160
I mean they turned black almost overnight. We got there to the next day

414
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,359
to make the first pick, and
every BlackBerry on our vines and bushes are

415
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:36,000
gone. It's the weirdest thing.
And they rebloomed again and we got a

416
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:41,200
pretty good harvest. But anyway,
I'm sorry to enter jack stores. No,

417
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,480
no, I don't find it weird
at all. I just find it

418
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,680
even more compelling evidence, you know. I mean it's right there in front

419
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,880
of us. See the deer come
up, and the deer come up,

420
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:57,920
and they I take the I take
the wildlife fencing down during you know,

421
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:03,680
around the first of deer hunting season
here, and the doze will come in

422
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,160
and they'll munch on the branches.
Well that's a good for them, because

423
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,519
they're pruning for me. And so
yes, next year, on the on

424
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:14,559
the branches that are green, that
were green the last year, there'll be

425
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:17,240
four or five shoots come off where
the deer nipped them off. So I

426
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,519
let the deer munch on them.
But when there, when there, when

427
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:23,680
there's berries on them, I've got
wildlife netting. A deer won't come through

428
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,359
it. It's just they just won't
do it. No, No, they

429
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,240
won't. What is what is getting
in my I don't know. It just

430
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:34,400
blows me away. But let's let's
drop that. So this your chicken problem

431
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:40,559
was in did you say twenty eighteen
or nineteen? It started? It's still

432
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:42,839
going on today. I mean,
we can't win flues with this chicken situation.

433
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:52,000
Um, it's just insane. Um. Here here's you know you reference

434
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:56,720
to your garden and your your blackberries
and blueberry stuff like that. We put

435
00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:59,000
in that. Well, I didn't
personal way about it. I'm not a

436
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:01,759
gardener. I'm a rancher and a
hunter. And my girlfriend put in a

437
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:06,839
great, big garden last year,
I mean a big one. Um squashed

438
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:12,480
cucumbers, melons, cantaloupe melons,
watermelon, corn, and then she did

439
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:20,279
about nine rows and chilis U Publo
chilies to be specific, and Samanaheim chilis.

440
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:23,400
And she did about three rows of
hall opinions. And we like our

441
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,119
chilies up here, you know,
we like that spicy food. And um.

442
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:36,079
Our garden got rated about I think
the second or third week of July.

443
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,680
Some had rated the garden, and
I mean it stripped bear. I

444
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:44,599
mean it took all opinion. I
mean it just the whole entire garden had

445
00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:49,480
been gone through, and she come
in the house and was just mattering a

446
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:52,400
hornet and somebody's been up here,
you know. And I went out and

447
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,920
looked, and um, nobody had
been in here. I mean, it's

448
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:04,559
kate poison obvious when you're you're looking
at a nineteen inch footprint, bare footprint

449
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:08,359
in the ground. I kind of
wiped my foot over this footprint. I

450
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,640
didn't want to notice in it.
And there wasn't just one, there was

451
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,920
about twenty of walking through art so
I kind of with my boot would just

452
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,359
kind of kick the soil around a
little bit like I was looking trying to

453
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:27,559
track something, but I just didn't
want her kitchen was so I mean,

454
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,599
it was obvious what had happened.
But the funny thing was obviously they don't

455
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:37,200
like chilies or hall apenios, because
about two days later and all that produce

456
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:40,440
that have been taken, the chilis
and hall apenos were thrown at the house.

457
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,599
Oh man, a throne. I
mean, they were literally scattered,

458
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,160
and you could see because we got
a stucco house and you know, take

459
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,359
a chili and bounce it off some
at these little green marks all over the

460
00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,119
place. And we had green marks
all the way downside of that house or

461
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,440
something had chucked all these chilies and
hall opinios at the house. So evidently

462
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,960
they don't like hall opinios or chilies, and they were pissed at you.

463
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,239
Well, they brought them back,
you know. I mean I was kind

464
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,559
of happy. I don't care about
the watermelon and stuff. Just bring me

465
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:20,000
my chilies. And they returned them. But it wasn't It wasn't in a

466
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,920
fair manner. I don't think if
they're going to take them from us,

467
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,639
bring them back nicely. But they
were literally thrown across it. And that

468
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,679
was another thing. You know.
I get up early in the morning,

469
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,159
I went and started the semi.
I was gonna haul load the cows that

470
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,679
day, how to hear in my
calves, as a matter of fact,

471
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:38,440
So I fired deal with semi up
and I seen it and I said,

472
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,199
oh, hell, well, I
had got the hose and I washed the

473
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,599
house down a little bit, kind
of you know, I don't really want

474
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:50,360
her knowing what I'm expecting this is, you know, or up to this

475
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,599
point, because I just didn't want
to scare and especially because there's a lot

476
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:58,360
of times I leave you know,
I hauled our cattle all over the country.

477
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:01,880
We've got some summer grounding Kansas and
Oklahoma both that we'll haul cattle to

478
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,559
bring them back in the winter,
and they we'll haul our cats out to

479
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,960
say. Oh, so I'm on
the truck quite a bit, and I

480
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:13,400
was always kind of just trying to
I was afraid basically for her to know

481
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:16,280
what's what's going on, you know, And I know that's kind of selfish

482
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,239
of me to do so, but
at the same time, I just,

483
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,079
you know, kind of just kind
of cover your woman, you know what

484
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,000
I mean. Yeah, you don't
want to. You don't want her worrying

485
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:30,039
about stuff that may not be a
huge issue exactly, especially when I'm gone,

486
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,920
because up to that point, there
hadn't been anything, as I would

487
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:38,800
say, attack wise that it happened. Now, let's fast forward to a

488
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:45,639
month and a half ago when I
really got serious Um David polags and uh

489
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:52,159
with with Steve himself to reaching out
for help because our house started coming under

490
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:58,039
attack quite a bit. Um.
We'd be laying there at night and the

491
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:01,559
sides of the house was getting banged
on, and I mean just things out

492
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:07,199
of the blue, um feeds getting
stolen. We're losing like your oats and

493
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:12,320
stuff that you'd feed your horses.
I mean, something's taking four hundred pounds

494
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,000
of feed sacks. You know,
that's a lot of weight. Um.

495
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,000
I don't know of any animals that's
gonna carry it off. I mean they're

496
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,400
gonna tear it open right there and
get into them, like the coons or

497
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,760
you know, even you get your
spring bear cubs. They're young, they'll

498
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,360
come into a barn and you know
they'll they'll rummage through your your oats and

499
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,880
stuff like that for your horses.
But they're not carrying bags off. Something

500
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:44,079
took the bags, you know.
And M Steve Um kind of insinuated that

501
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:47,480
we should do that. They don't
like certain light, and so we set

502
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:52,679
up triggering motion activated spotlights all over
the place. I did. She thought

503
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:55,719
I was crazy. I said that
it keeps the bears out. So I

504
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,239
started doing a lot of that.
I put up trail cams everywhere, and

505
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,760
a real weird pattern started happening after
that. The trailcams, we're never getting

506
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,840
video of anything. I think it's
infrared, like everybody's trees that these things

507
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,679
know about. But my trailcams are
being demolished. I mean on four hundred

508
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:22,039
and twelve pictures on thirteen trail cameras. Okay, mind you, four hundred

509
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:29,000
and twelve pictures of tree branches poking
at them. Figure that out. They're

510
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,360
in the tree within one hundred and
fifty yards of the barn and where we

511
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,280
store our feed, and there's no
but tree branches are poking these cameras.

512
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,000
And eventually it led into the cameras
are being demolish. I mean they're being

513
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:49,639
smashed to pieces. Lights are being
the poles, the light poles that we

514
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:55,679
had put up are being pulled down
to the ground, just NonStop weird stuff

515
00:37:55,679 --> 00:38:02,760
like that. And I got real
serious with mister Steve there at how to

516
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,960
Hunt dot Com. I got pretty
serious for him with asking for some help.

517
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,360
And he's the one that put me
in touch with Steve, and I

518
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,400
had to call him because it started
into where these these turned out from occurrences

519
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,360
in the down right attacks. I
mean, they were tearing stuff up.

520
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,760
I had a tree of probably eight
inch diameter pine throwed through the windshield of

521
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:28,840
my pickup. Um my semi truck
doors had been you know, I got

522
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,840
a twenty seventeen Peter built truck there
quite expensive investment there, you know,

523
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,360
and it had taken and it looked
like somebody had squarely punched the door,

524
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:42,079
but it punched it so hard at
Kape a Dorian, you know, that's

525
00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:45,480
twenty seven hundred dollars repair right there. Yeah. Um, rocks are being

526
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,519
thrown at the house to the extent
that it's busting stuck, go off.

527
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:53,840
Um. It's gotten to the point
it scared her so bad. The howl

528
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,039
and that's the other thing. And
it's been happening a lot where the howls,

529
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:07,239
and they started earlier, earlier about
September this year. It started more

530
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,840
like kind of I would damn,
I don't know how to describe them if

531
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,679
but it's not really a hell,
it's not really a call of any sports.

532
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,800
Are more like a damn grunt,
you know. And and it start

533
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,519
out is a real powerful but muffled
grunts. That makes sense. I mean

534
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:30,599
you can feel it. It just
wasn't real loud. And it started as

535
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:34,280
those and there'd be you know,
three or four different directions of these grunts

536
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,239
coming. And then it got to
where things were occurring around here so frequently

537
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:45,280
that I kind of got fed up
with it. And so as a guide,

538
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:49,159
I'll tell you a little background on
where I'm at with it. Is

539
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:52,199
I hunt Africa every two years.
I go, I go to Zimbabwe,

540
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,079
South Africa, and I hunt.
I've got a four or fifty eight with

541
00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:00,440
mag I've got a five hundred night
to Express. I've got some real heavy

542
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,239
firepower that we'd use, you know, for hunting. The big five are

543
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,280
in Africa, because I'm pretty take
buffalo hunt and I've killed seven of them.

544
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:10,920
Kind of my thing to do is
I'd like to go Africa every other

545
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,400
year, stuff like that. So
it got to the point where I loaded

546
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,679
that five hundred Cho Express and when
I started hearing drums, I'd fire shots

547
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:28,239
in the direction of them, and
and it get to where I think that

548
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,079
it's more a I don't know,
a retaliation on my part. I guess

549
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,280
I'm just trying to tell them I'm
sick of it, knock it off,

550
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,840
you know, and ways that I
know how to handle it. And and

551
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:44,639
that's where Steve has been a big
hilp um. Let me let me last

552
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:49,719
three or four months. Let me
stop you. You said, David Pilates,

553
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,360
and this, uh, the man
named Steve, does he have a

554
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:59,639
YouTube channel. I don't know.
I don't do this whole YouTube thing very

555
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:04,239
often. Um. I talked to
him directly all the time. I don't

556
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,840
do the YouTube. UM. Let
me look real quick. Well that's okay,

557
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,840
because there's a guy up in British
Columbia who's an outfitter like you.

558
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,119
Oh yeah, that's Stephen Howd hunt
dot com. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely,

559
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,400
he's got a YouTube channel and everything. He's a he's a very seasoned,

560
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,920
very professional, big game guy.
You know, we share a lot

561
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,679
of the same passion. You guys
are living the dream. I've I've seen

562
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,440
a couple of his a couple of
his videos, and he lives in a

563
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,760
beautiful place man. Yeah, I
mean yeah, see, And and he's

564
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,199
the one that has put me in
touch with plauties and with with the one

565
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:45,280
that's been a real big hill has
been Scott Carpenter. Okay, I've worked

566
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:51,960
I've worked real close and directly with
him throughout these last episodes because it's just

567
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:57,119
been it's gotten to where it's it's
you know, it's coming down to it.

568
00:41:57,159 --> 00:41:59,840
I mean, you're going to kill
him or we're gonna find common ground.

569
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:04,199
Yeah, you know, I don't
know how to sugarcoat that. But

570
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,679
this is my livelihood, this is
my home, that's my lady. I've

571
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:13,639
got a child here. I mean, it's coming down to the point where

572
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:16,039
either we're going to find a way
to co exist or I'm gonna kill them.

573
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,719
That's where bottom line is. And
I know that's harsh and a lot

574
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,920
of your viewers are going to say, well, how dare you? But

575
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,559
until you're in this situation, don't
dare me. You know what I mean,

576
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:31,159
don't question me, because there's time. That's why I say these aren't

577
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:36,440
your friends, you know, people
that want to feed them and leave gifts

578
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,719
and this, and that you're bringing
in something you have no idea about.

579
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,760
I'm telling you there's a whole lot
more to this than we all know.

580
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:50,760
Than anybody have you had a visual
three of them are okay? You want

581
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,079
to talk about that? Yeah I
can. The latest was less than two

582
00:42:55,119 --> 00:43:00,000
weeks ago. I just I brought
a lot of the calves out of here

583
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,000
because we're starting to get the big, heavy snows and it's hard, you

584
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:06,199
know, this time of year,
because we'd have to feed constantly. So

585
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,199
I took a load of the healing
calves down to Oklahoma, I've got some

586
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,639
grass down there that we liked to
run them on in the winter. And

587
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,480
I was late, of course,
because we'd had a good hunting year.

588
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,920
It's been real busy, and I
was late getting my kettleman. Didn't I

589
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:23,280
noticed a shadow. I was in
the kitchen looking out at the barn.

590
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:29,920
One of the lights had triggered,
and I noticed a very large shadow just

591
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,239
to the west of the barn there, and I ran out the front door,

592
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,440
and I had a rifle, and
I was expecting it more or less

593
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,760
to be a bear, like you
know, I kind of the way the

594
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,320
shadow had looked was like a bear
was leaning up trying to figure out how

595
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,119
to get in the window of the
barn. Well it wasn't. It was

596
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,880
crouched over looking in the window of
the barn, trying to figure out how

597
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,000
to get in there, to get
that feet. Because I have recently I

598
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:59,440
ran four or forty direct each of
the door handles that at night I switch

599
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:01,519
on it. I spend kind of
the only thing they've in our feed,

600
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:07,039
you know. And I've done a
lot of a lot of prep work here

601
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,800
lately, thanks to Scott Carpenter and
his great ideas. It's really started to

602
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:15,039
cut my feed dealing as again.
But it has also made it to the

603
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:21,880
point that these things are they're they're
turning into oh I guess for sake of

604
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,519
words, or they're little bastards about
everything. I mean, if if they're

605
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:28,000
determined to tear it up and get
in there, they're going to. And

606
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,960
I've reached some boarding points with it, so I grabbed their effl and I

607
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:35,920
went after it, and I was
probably less than forty yards from it.

608
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,119
I fired a couple of shots.
Now, when I say I fired a

609
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:42,599
couple of shots, let's get this
straight. I did not shoot in any

610
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,840
unsafe direction, nor did I shoot
directly at it. I fired shots into

611
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:52,199
the ground directly in front of me. So before anybody freaks out, I

612
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,000
wasn't trying to shoot a kah because
I'm gonna call them hit because I don't

613
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,920
know what else to call them at
this point. I don't know what they

614
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:04,920
are ye sasquats or big foot,
but there's so much mystique involved in it.

615
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,039
I'm just gonna say it because it's
easier. But um, I fired,

616
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:12,559
and I screamed at it, and
was you know, get that hell

617
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,159
out of here. I'm sick and
tired of this, and I fired some

618
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,719
shots and it ran off, But
it made the most god awful hellen sound

619
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,840
I've ever heard, you know,
more of a scream type hell as it

620
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,840
was leaving that I've ever heard my
life. It chilled me to the bone.

621
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,760
But I haven't had anything happened since
then. Maybe I don't remember.

622
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:38,679
I don't think there's any teaching,
if that's any anyone's mindset that you can

623
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:45,119
teach these to come now and tell
you can't there. I've heard so much

624
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:51,719
that of different they can teleport or
they can shape ship, and I've never

625
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:57,440
seen nothing like that. To me, it's a living, breathing gods.

626
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,519
For sake of words, I really
don't know what to call it. It.

627
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:01,679
It's a squatch. It's a living, breathing, eating animal. I

628
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:05,480
mean, if it lives, it
for easy, it dies. And I

629
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:10,320
think they know that as well.
Now do they have ways about them that

630
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,199
are that we would never expect?
Sure, I'm sure they do, because

631
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,960
I don't know anything about these things, and I don't think anybody truly does.

632
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,800
I think all we know is what
we've heard and what we can use

633
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,360
that we've heard versus experiences, and
from that, I think we can come

634
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,000
away with certain ideas of what these
things can do. Can they talk?

635
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:32,360
Yes, they can, and let's
get to that. Here's an interesting subject

636
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,639
for you, if you want to
talk about it. They've got a language.

637
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,280
They have a damn a language.
It is not English. It is

638
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:46,920
not anything you've ever heard in your
life. It is like listening to I

639
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,599
would describe it as a mix if
I I don't want to. I don't

640
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:55,119
want to call nobody out, no
race or ethnicity. But if you've ever

641
00:46:55,159 --> 00:47:00,360
heard tribes speak in tongue, that's
kind of what it reminds me of.

642
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:07,800
Ye, and I've heard it.
My girlfriend called me the other night paranoid

643
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,000
as all hill. It was about
how god I think. It was like

644
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:13,519
one thirty in the morning. She
was crying, she was upset. I

645
00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:15,039
said, what's wrong. She said, Hell, there's somebody out of here.

646
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:19,400
And we talked about She said,
well, honey, I can hear

647
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,519
them talking. I hear them.
There's two voices, and it's a man's

648
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:23,599
voice. I said, well,
what are they saying? She says,

649
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:28,199
I can't make it out. It's
nothing I've ever heard before. And that's

650
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:30,480
when I started really getting nervous.
It's like, all right, something's got

651
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,480
to give. I'm not home,
she is, They're not, you know.

652
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:37,480
And that's the other thing. And
I think a lot of people realizing

653
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:44,840
they're not afraid to show themselves to
women. And ninety eight percent of the

654
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:50,880
occurrences around here evolved around a woman
period, right, And when Scott Carpenter

655
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,000
was talking to me about this,
it really hit home because then I started

656
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,719
thinking, you know, every time
we've had an instance or an occurrence I

657
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,239
guess you want to call it,
is when I had recently just gotten home.

658
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,119
Now she had possibly been home for
three or four days by herself at

659
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:10,039
this point. And I truly feel
that women and children piqued their interest.

660
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,039
Yeah, for reasons why. Hell, I don't know. Like I said,

661
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:21,039
I'm no expert. Well that's but
that's a that's a that's a real

662
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:25,400
common thread throughout history, you know, historical accounts. I'll bear that out,

663
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,599
but go ahead. But in all
that night I told her, I

664
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:34,559
said, well, just open the
front door and fire a few shots out

665
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:38,039
there, get rid of it,
because I bought it. But I do

666
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:43,000
have the gun, and I'm gonna
I'm gonna stay here and in the room

667
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:45,559
with the avien, and I said, well, I'll get home as soon

668
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:50,320
as I can. And so I
put the old semi in gear, and

669
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,639
to the house I went. And
that morning I went out looking. We'd

670
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:57,840
had fresh snow on the ground.
Sure enough, there were tracks less than

671
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:04,840
forty feet from the house. Man. And when I say tracks, these

672
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:10,239
aren't these aren't human footprints. I
mean, you get a human up here

673
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:15,039
and there's snowing ground, they're going
to be walking and clothed feet, you

674
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:20,679
know. And these are barefoot prints, but they're big. I mean several

675
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,760
other footprints are not as big that
you know, I could see maybe a

676
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,719
real, let's say, an eight
foot tall human being perhaps to be running

677
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,639
around up here, because these are
seventeen inch prints. But a set of

678
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,280
the other set of tracks that I
had found were twenty one inches. I

679
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,960
don't know it down man, in
the world with twenty one inch long foot

680
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:45,559
especially barefoot yea at eighty five nine
hundred feet in altitude in the Colorado back

681
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:52,000
country, Come on, you live
it? Yes, Okay, that's oh

682
00:49:52,000 --> 00:50:01,119
man. Now my house from the
highway, just the nearest the nearest pavement.

683
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:08,519
I'm thirteen and a half miles up
their road. So you don't tell

684
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:17,440
me that some gigantic basketball player type
feller walk thirteen and a half miles up

685
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:23,800
here to stand by the damn kitching
window and talk. No exactly, No,

686
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:30,880
no, oh man, Well we
were talking. We were talking before

687
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:37,559
we got started, and you were
unless you have some more encounters you want

688
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:42,760
to share, got about ten minutes
left. But you've got some opinions on

689
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,679
these things, and I think you
and I agree. Now on my YouTube

690
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,480
channel, I never really give an
opinion, but I'll tell you this.

691
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:55,320
I don't think they're interdimensional. I
think they're flesh and blood animals and you

692
00:50:55,519 --> 00:51:01,039
and I think for the most part, they have a for the most part,

693
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:05,559
they don't have good will towards people. Now, I know you've you've

694
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:08,760
said it in this interview, and
I'm agreeing with There's gonna be people who

695
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:14,079
disagree with that. I think they're
they think they're they got a little butterflies

696
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:16,960
on their shoulder and little birds in
their hair and stuff like that. They

697
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,880
don't know them too, will do
they? Well, they're they're a predator.

698
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:23,440
I mean they kill wild game.
I mean, from all accounts,

699
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:29,280
they kill wild game. They just
you. You've had an experience where they

700
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:34,079
put a cow elk twenty feet up
in the tree. I ain't thirteen foot

701
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,760
unbelievable. Unbelievable. So you've got
some opinions on these things, and you've

702
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:43,400
talked to some guys out there that
know who have experienced these things. Uh,

703
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,039
will you talk about that a minute? And let I think people need

704
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:52,320
to hear it from a guy if
you want to ask me that two of

705
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:59,239
the biggest authorities on the a Ka, big foot Sasquatch wouldn't want to call

706
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,760
it. I call them a paint
in the ass because that's all they are

707
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:07,440
to me. But Number one Steven
how to Hunt dot com. The man

708
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:15,960
is a wealth of knowledge about him
and Steve himself coming from another lifelong guide,

709
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,719
professional big game guide. I've seen
it. I've killed it. I

710
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,559
killed everything. I killed elephant,
I've killed Kate Buffalo, I've killed brown

711
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:29,920
Bear, I've killed Griggs, I've
killed my god. I've got a twenty

712
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,119
two hundred square foot game room in
my house. I mean, when it

713
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:37,440
comes to it, I've done it. I'm anything but a novice when it

714
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:43,960
comes to wildlife and behaviors of wildlife
such as Steve himself. And when the

715
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:46,480
man can look in the eyes and
tell you what he's seen, you know,

716
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:51,880
a man of his caliber, you
need to listen, I mean.

717
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,320
And then you got another man on
the other side of the country for months

718
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,280
where you are, and in down
there in the old neck of the woods.

719
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:05,119
Mister Carpenter, the man the wealth
of knowledge. Some of his ideas

720
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:09,320
I do tend to disagree with a
little bit, but I'm no one to

721
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:15,400
question him because he's got a lot
more knowledge than I have. I do

722
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,119
not, for one second, though, believe these are any type of a

723
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,679
shape shifter. Absolutely not. I've
ran after it, I've shot at it,

724
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:29,960
well, I've shot near it in
an effort to ward it off,

725
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:32,400
and never once. Now and now, if that's an instance that it's a

726
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,159
shape shifter, why the hell didn't
it do it? Right? Yeah?

727
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,599
If it's interdimensional, why didn't it
jump back in some dimension and take off

728
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:45,719
away from me. I fired live
rounds into the ground while running at the

729
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,159
thing, screaming at it. It
was running away from me screaming. That

730
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,119
tells me right now that this is
an animal that knows fear, This is

731
00:53:53,159 --> 00:54:00,199
an animal that recognizes intent to harm
because I had full intention had it turned

732
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:05,039
or wouldn't le I was going to
shoot to Kiel to protect my place.

733
00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:09,760
Period. This is my home.
And so when it comes to that,

734
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,920
I truly I cannot wrap my head
around it. Am I right by saying

735
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,119
that, no, do I have
proof of otherwise? No? I do

736
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:24,760
not. So I'm not going to
try to go against people with that kind

737
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:30,159
of knowledge and say that maybe these
things do or don't because I don't know.

738
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:36,199
I only can tell you from my
experiences. I don't I don't see

739
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:44,960
that. I see a living,
breathing, bleeding animal. But let's get

740
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:50,400
away from the animal terminology. To
me, this is more of a Neanderthal

741
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:52,880
type creature. I guess it's what
I want to say. I mean,

742
00:54:52,960 --> 00:55:00,119
if for you know, I'm no
scientist, I'm no crypto leology. Just

743
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,639
I don't know what the hell the
coat up. I call it what I

744
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:05,400
see it, And it's a big
son of a gun and it runs upright

745
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:12,360
and it eats it, use it
it lives. Am I knowledged enough to

746
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,519
go against some of the greatest minds
in this field? And I'm going to

747
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:22,239
call these people my great minds in
this field? Because these are not your

748
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:28,199
year BFRO type television people. These
are true grit, down to earth,

749
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:36,360
good hearted, honest men and women
that I'm going to take into consideration because

750
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:39,679
I don't judge a man by their
knowledge. I judge them by their character.

751
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,239
And if I can trust you,
I trust you. If I don't

752
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:49,440
trust you, you mean nothing to
me. Right And I can honestly say

753
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,960
that if my life was in jeopardy, mister Steve himself how to Hunt dot

754
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,599
Com one of the greatest big game
guys you're ever going to come across,

755
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:01,360
period, hands down the man of
s and he's done it. M Scott

756
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,519
Carpenter. I trust him out of
my life and I have trusted my life

757
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:10,280
with him. Let's not just say
that. I'm just saying that I have

758
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:15,920
taken his ideology and applied it to
things around here that we're happening. That

759
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:22,159
has truly brought easement on this.
Yeah you've seen results. Yeah, I've

760
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:27,239
seen results. Now, this man
didn't just dream this stuff up. I

761
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,159
mean things that he has had me
doing. I'm not going to go into

762
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:36,800
details, because if people are having
these issues and they need to reach out

763
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:42,239
for help, there's there's truly help
available. But you have to go with

764
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,000
an open mind. Well, here's
what I'll do. I'll I don't I

765
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:49,880
have a YouTube channel, but believe
it or not, I don't watch too

766
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,079
much YouTube. I'll work. I'll
work all day, but and then and

767
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:57,239
then, if I'm not working,
i'm working on a video or I'm talking

768
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,719
to people like you, I just
don't have time to sit and watch.

769
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:05,679
But I'll find their channels and I'll
link them below. If they're popular on

770
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:10,079
YouTube, then people probably probably already
know about them. There's also another you

771
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:15,760
were talking about killing one or or
killing one if you had to, there's

772
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:23,360
absolute I will there's a channel in
two guys in West Virginia, and they

773
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:28,559
apparently have I just found their channel. Somebody sent me a link to their

774
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:32,440
video. It's called Old bears Den
of Bigfoot. These guys are in West

775
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:37,239
Virginia. In the first video,
I pulled up the guys talking about he's

776
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:42,679
following up on some stories that he
shared on his channel, and he's talking

777
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:45,039
about these people killing them so they
can be killed. He's like, well,

778
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:50,559
this one that was, you know, trying to bang down his door,

779
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:52,119
trying to reach in the window.
He wound. He finally wound up

780
00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:58,599
killing the thing. And I don't
know what people do with the carcasses after

781
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:04,000
they kill them, if they just
take the front endloader and excavator and bury

782
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:08,480
them, or what they do and
they don't report it for fear of ridicule

783
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:13,519
or whatever. But I can bring
some light into that subject real quick.

784
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:15,679
That would put a lot of people's
minds at ease. And I think if

785
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:21,039
somebody would listen truly to what I
have to say as far as what happens

786
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:23,679
when you kill one, I think
it's going to shed a lot of light

787
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:28,000
on these people that are being ridiculed
that have said they have killed one,

788
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:32,280
came publicly with that information, and
everybody braids them over where's the carcass?

789
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,239
Wears this? Where's that? I'm
going to tell you right now, if

790
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:42,039
you see one, They're never alone. I'm telling you. Experience tells me

791
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:47,599
this first hand experience. These are
never alone. When you are in that

792
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:52,559
fearful of the situation that you are
taking the life, you're not going to

793
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:55,960
come out and stand above it and
stare at it. You're going to leave

794
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,360
and you're going to collect your thoughts
and you're going to come back. By

795
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:06,000
then they have collected that they're dead
and they are gone. And I would

796
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,159
say, after you take the shot, you knock one down, you need

797
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:13,320
to keep your eyes open and get
them off of that thing you just hit

798
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:20,599
and start watching your flanks that you
know, a big part of this whole

799
00:59:20,639 --> 00:59:27,840
topic of bigfoot is people using critical
thinking skills in my opinion, and the

800
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,559
flesh and blood animal is just logical. It's it's a predator. It's just

801
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,320
logical thinking. And I know that's
how you see it. And I and

802
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:43,840
with your with your experience and your
run ins with these things, and they're

803
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:49,079
they're taking money. I mean,
you just lost a ten year client over

804
00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:52,679
over these things. So I mean, and and folks, these hunts are

805
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:58,679
not cheap. I mean these folks
people who hunt these big game animals in

806
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:01,639
the high country in the West.
Let me put it out there for people.

807
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:06,599
This this is these chopyol counts or
twelve thousand, five hundred dollars right

808
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:09,920
for a fully guided seven day chopel
counts twelve thousand, five hundred dollars,

809
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:15,000
you know, And this is a
man that has hunted with me for ten

810
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:19,840
years. You do the math.
People at twelve thousand, five hundred dollars

811
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,760
a hunt. This man spent one
hundred thirty hundred forty thousand dollars over the

812
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:29,719
years, a hundred with me to
never again willingly stepped foot on a mountaintop

813
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,400
in his life. This man has
never picked a rifle up since. And

814
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:37,000
I know this for a fact.
He has never stepped foot off of a

815
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:44,440
paved trail since its occurrence. Wow, was it just the rock, Mike?

816
01:00:44,679 --> 01:00:46,119
Was it just the rock? That
is? That? Is that all

817
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:52,400
he experienced? The rock and the
sighting. I did not. Now let's

818
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:58,280
clear that I never saw it.
I was focused on these elks that we're

819
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,639
looking in the direct and that rocket
came at the time, I was unaware

820
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:07,320
of that. I did not know
that they had seen something or were aware

821
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:13,480
of something until the rock hit and
heil took off. I was focused on

822
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:20,880
judging the quality of these bulls.
He had seen something never to be spoken

823
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,199
of. Ever, I can't get
a word out of his mouth as too

824
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:30,360
far as what he saw. All
He'll say, point blank, I will

825
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,679
never go in the woods again.
I know what I saw. That's all

826
01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:37,159
he'll tell you. He will not
go into any detail. He will not

827
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,679
say a word otherwise. And I've
tried since two thousand and fourteen to get

828
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:45,079
him to talk to me, to
get him to come back up here and

829
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:51,039
hunt with me. I've offered him
a free fully Guided mulebeer and calbo hunt

830
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:53,280
fully Guided. That's twenty two thousand
dollars worth a hunt. He won't come

831
01:01:53,360 --> 01:02:00,639
up here. He's probably a successful
guy and an achiever, and he probably

832
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:04,760
doesn't want to very so he probably
doesn't want his name associated with it.

833
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,360
And I can see that. I
mean I could, I can see that.

834
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:14,559
I'm shameless. I don't mind talking
about it, but but I've never

835
01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:16,400
had an encounter, so I don't, you know, I don't, I

836
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,360
don't really. I mean, if
somebody asked me, I'm just like,

837
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,679
I've never seen one. But I've
heard a lot of stories, which you

838
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:28,599
know. And what kills me with
this subject is you talk to somebody about

839
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:31,159
it and all you're making that up, and it's like you think, for

840
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,199
one second, I'm gonna cut the
hand that feeds me, son, Are

841
01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:37,280
you out of your mind? Right? I go public with this, I

842
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:45,559
stand to nothing, gain nothing but
lose everything. This honey is eighty percent

843
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:52,480
of this ranch's money intake. Every
year eight of our yearly income is honey,

844
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:54,760
And you think coming forward, I
stand a game by that, Are

845
01:02:54,760 --> 01:03:01,639
you kidding me? I don't advertise
guided sessk wants viewings. I don't advertise

846
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,000
none of the sort because I know
what that's going to do to me.

847
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,639
So I have everything to lose by
coming forward. I have nothing to gain

848
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:13,559
by it. So anybody that mocks
these people to come forward and tell their

849
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:16,400
stories, I'll be the first one
to stand up and tell you to kiss

850
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,760
my ass and kiss their asses too, because I'm telling you, these people

851
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,639
gain nothing, nothing, no by
telling their story. Which brings us full

852
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:30,840
circle to when we talked. Now, for everybody listening, I do these

853
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:36,880
interviews cold Mike started telling a little
bit of his story before we started recording.

854
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,400
I said, hold on, I
don't want to waste your time.

855
01:03:38,519 --> 01:03:42,880
I just want you to tell at
one time. But I can usually tell

856
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,519
on the front end if a guy
knows what he's talking about. And but

857
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:52,559
the reason that you were willing to
when I ask you to do a recorded

858
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:58,280
interview was you want people to know
something about these things. Why don't you

859
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:00,719
or do you feel like you've been
through that enough? Or do you want

860
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,159
to do. You want to kind
of wind up and sell. What it

861
01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:11,159
boils down to is if you want
to step back into the nostalgia of this

862
01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:15,159
whole thing for just a minute.
Okay, missing four one one, let's

863
01:04:15,159 --> 01:04:17,159
start there for just a second.
I don't want to get case to case

864
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:24,320
by it, but let's start with
this. Thousands of people disappear in national

865
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:30,280
parks across the US each year,
each year, thousands of documented disappearance.

866
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,480
Is not a single trace some of
these disappearances. And I'm not going to

867
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:39,760
say a little number. I'm not
saying five or ten. I'm saying sixty

868
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,119
percent of these. If you want
to do the research, people, it's

869
01:04:42,159 --> 01:04:45,440
out there. Sixty percent of these
are very experienced, very experienced hikers,

870
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:53,199
very very experienced backcountry hikers. These
people know what they're doing, and they're

871
01:04:53,199 --> 01:04:59,000
disappearing without a trace. These are
people that have never had suicidal issues,

872
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:03,519
They've never had mental issues. These
are very fit, very trained, very

873
01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:10,599
knowledgeable people going back in these parts
back country and disappearing. There's more to

874
01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:14,920
this than meet the I. People
need to be aware of what's out here.

875
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:18,320
And if you are one of those
that now it doesn't exist, it

876
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:23,880
doesn't exist, fine, so be
it. Have your opinion, but damn

877
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,840
it be versed in what could be
there, because I'm telling you people,

878
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:33,280
they're there. And if you happen
to cause paths And I'm not saying this

879
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,719
is what's happening in these four one
cases, I'm not. But what I'm

880
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:41,639
saying is there's a damn good probability
a lot of this can be tied to

881
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:46,280
this because what if you happen to
step into a then sight and they've got

882
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,599
young and they God forbid, but
they kill you to protect they're young.

883
01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:56,960
I mean, I'm putting it out
there simply all I'm doing. Be aware.

884
01:05:57,079 --> 01:05:59,840
I mean, this is as real
as you and I are bathing talk

885
01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:06,039
well again, critical thinking and logic
would tell you that it's not the natural

886
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:12,440
predators that roam at least you're part
of the country. The biggest predator we

887
01:06:12,519 --> 01:06:17,880
have down here's a cotton mouthed snake. We have coyotes. So but in

888
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:23,000
your part of the world, I
mean, you have big man eating predator.

889
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:25,559
They will kill a man. They
can kill a man, let's put

890
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:28,360
it that way. Yeah. Absolutely, I don't know that they do that

891
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,840
much. But um but when they
do. Over the last few years,

892
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:38,119
we've had a lot of black bear
fatalities. We've had many cougar attacks,

893
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:42,199
not so much fatalities, but attacks
that there have been several fatalities in the

894
01:06:42,239 --> 01:06:45,159
last ten years over black bear here. But what but when they do the

895
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:50,719
black bear we're talking about, Yeah, when a bear or or a mountain

896
01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:57,480
line takes a human as prey,
that half the carcasses, bones, a

897
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:01,880
skeletal structure or something is left.
And we're recovering these, yes, but

898
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:08,360
on the recovery is one hundred percent
so far. So the missing four one

899
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:12,559
one thing. These things that these
people just vanish, they don't there's no

900
01:07:12,679 --> 01:07:17,760
sign, there's nothing, nothing,
And some of them show back up with

901
01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:21,559
and I haven't read too many of
them, but some of them show back

902
01:07:21,639 --> 01:07:26,039
up with one shoe on two weeks
later, or you know, there's all

903
01:07:26,119 --> 01:07:30,320
kind of odd circumstances that goes around
it. So and it is a mystery.

904
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,559
But I think logic, I think
logic will kind of bring you back

905
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:39,239
to I'm not going to say it, but it brings it will bring you

906
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:43,840
back to something that I think people
like you verify. That's my opinion,

907
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:48,119
and I think it verifies itself,
and I think people are just closed minded

908
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:53,320
and they don't want to believe out
of fear. I think fear drives people

909
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:58,119
more nathing goes as feared And I
feel that if you have to go against

910
01:07:58,119 --> 01:08:00,360
what you've been told in life,
it be the fear inside you, and

911
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,480
that fear becomes an animate. You
don't want to admit this. You don't

912
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:09,719
want to use that extra precaution when
you take your family up into the wilderness

913
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,400
for the weekend. You don't want
to think of that out of spear.

914
01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:18,920
And I think instead of being fearful, you need to be knowledgeable and realize

915
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:25,640
there are things in this world we
have no explanation to. Don't discredit it.

916
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:29,479
Keep it as a safety aspect in
your life. Keep it, hold

917
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,680
onto it, and think about it
when you're doing these kind of activities because

918
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:39,239
it could happen. It does thousands
of times every year. You're the second

919
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:44,560
person I've talked to, and I
feel what you're telling me. I feel

920
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:50,399
guilty because people ask me a lot. I don't know why they ask me.

921
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:56,000
But I'm out in the woods all
the time. Even though I work

922
01:08:56,079 --> 01:09:00,960
all day, I take breaks.
I'll ride my bike out in these you

923
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,920
know, these hardwood forests. I
just like being out and I'm always asking

924
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:11,079
are you carrying? Are you And
I never carry I carried a pistol two

925
01:09:11,159 --> 01:09:14,319
years ago through the winter because we
had a pack of dogs around here,

926
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,239
and it wasn't to protect me,
it was to keep them off my dogs.

927
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:19,720
And I never ran into them,
but I knew they were there.

928
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:24,119
And you know, i'd see them
across a lake, or i'd see them

929
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:28,600
running through a slough or or a
bottom, and usually they're running away from

930
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,600
you, but they pack up.
It's not like coyotes. These are domestic

931
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:38,039
dogs that just go curk and but
when that which is ten times as dangerous

932
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:41,319
as any kyo pack or a wolf
pack to begin with, Yeah, coyotes

933
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:45,239
won't mess kyodies don't mess with people. They avoid people at all costs.

934
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,359
They know, they know what they
know, they know we're the top predator.

935
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:56,520
But and I tell people just going
because I enjoy the woods so much.

936
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:01,079
I mean, every single day I'm
out there alone and I just love

937
01:10:01,079 --> 01:10:05,560
it. I love it. But
our wilderness. I can walk a mile

938
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:09,840
to the north here and I'm gonna
hit a road if I walk to the

939
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,359
east, I'm gonna hit a road
in a half a mile. So it's

940
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,479
not like where you live. We
live in very tame We live in a

941
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:24,039
very tame environment down here in Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, Florida. Maybe

942
01:10:24,079 --> 01:10:28,279
it's a little different. I think
they have some larger predators down there,

943
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:33,079
But where you are, it's a
different story. And I don't know how

944
01:10:33,079 --> 01:10:41,000
to juxtapose or you know what put
on the balance scale to tell people to

945
01:10:41,039 --> 01:10:45,359
please the outdoors is so much fun
and it's so nice and it's good for

946
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:50,800
you and not to try not to
think about. You know, there are

947
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:57,720
very very few cases of these sasquatch
creatures. Matter of fact, I'm not

948
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,760
even sure I know of any where
they're a how do you say it,

949
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:08,920
a verified case of one killing somebody
because it's still considered acryptid but on too

950
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:14,039
cliche exactly. But on the other
hand, it might be a little dangerous,

951
01:11:14,079 --> 01:11:17,439
So I don't Maybe I should just
refrain from giving advice. But I

952
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:25,760
can only speak from my experience,
and I have never other than you know,

953
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:30,000
big fat cotton mouse. Where we
live in delta areas, and it's

954
01:11:30,079 --> 01:11:36,920
swampy, it's wet, it's full
of big swollen cypress tree trunks and cypress

955
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:44,279
kneeze. It's so different than where
you live that it's just that's my experience

956
01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:48,479
and that's where I come from.
But by the way, Colorado is probably

957
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:54,960
my favorite state. I remember when
we my dad took us there camping when

958
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,479
we were kids, and we camped
at a place called I think it's called

959
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,479
Lake View. It's a it's a
reservoir there, just I think it's a

960
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:10,000
little north of Gunnison. Yes,
it is um And I remember I was

961
01:12:10,199 --> 01:12:15,479
man eight or nine years old and
we had camped and we were trout fishing

962
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,720
in that reservoir. We're catching trout
like crazy, and I had never never

963
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:23,560
caught trout before. And you know, just a Southern boy. And I

964
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:29,479
remember one it was it was dusk, just enough light over the mountain where

965
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,000
the sky was just you know misty
blue, you know that blue at the

966
01:12:32,119 --> 01:12:36,000
end of the day. Yeah,
And here here comes these two cowboys on

967
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:40,680
horses. It was a Friday night, and I know they had just gotten

968
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:45,439
off work and they were riding full
I mean, I don't know much about

969
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,760
horse riding, but they were riding
full steam ahead on these horses in their

970
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:53,800
hats were blown back, and you
know they had their they had their hats

971
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:58,159
tied down under their chins and just
whipping those horses back. And I thought

972
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:03,199
that I will never forget that image. Those guys were having so much fun.

973
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:12,159
And everybody I've ever met that grew
up in the rural areas of Colorado,

974
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,359
I've never met a person out there
I didn't like. And you guys

975
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:20,920
have more you guys have more fun. And but you've got such a playground

976
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:26,199
there. It's awesome. I mean, it's just unbelievable. But that's just

977
01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:28,560
a memory I had, and I
wanted to let you know. And you're

978
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,119
one of them, Mike, You're
one of the guys that I've talked to.

979
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:33,840
You're easy to talk to, your
you've got a good head on your

980
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:38,479
shoulders. But you got a problem
there, and I just wanted to tell

981
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,560
you. I appreciate you coming on
and agreeing to do this because I think

982
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:46,199
it's important stuff. And we'd about
an hour or fifteen. Now I can

983
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:55,520
probably edit out all my blabbering on
chickens and cut it down to but I

984
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,560
hope you've got my number. I
hope you'll stay in touch with me if

985
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,680
something else comes up, or if
you ever want to do this again,

986
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:05,239
you are always welcome, absolutely,
and I love to. I mean,

987
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:09,760
the more people are informed, better
all they are. But let's touch on

988
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,640
that real quick. Where you said
you never go armed, I never go

989
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,119
unarmed. Now, when I say
unarmed, I'm not open carrying. I

990
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:18,159
don't believe in an open carry.
I think it makes the fool of a

991
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:23,039
man to carry an open style like
that. This isn't the old West.

992
01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:27,000
I carry concealed for a reason because
I don't want anybody to know that I'm

993
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:29,760
armed. Number one. Number two, I know that I am, and

994
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,239
that's all that matters, right,
And I encourage anybody that's taken their children,

995
01:14:33,319 --> 01:14:38,520
their families camping to take a firearm. Keep it concealed, but keep

996
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,680
it ready. You never know,
and it's always better to have it and

997
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,640
not need it than need it and
not have it. Simply put, it's

998
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:50,840
great advice, great advice. So
any advice I've ever given people, well

999
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:55,279
one advice, I'm just telling you
I don't. I don't carry when I'm

1000
01:14:55,319 --> 01:14:59,000
in the woods unless I know there's
a pack of dogs out there or something

1001
01:14:59,039 --> 01:15:01,479
that I might have to get off
my dogs. But Mike's giving you some

1002
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,479
good advice and I would heat that. And if you're camping or hiking or

1003
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:10,199
whatever, find a place to to, you know, slip that pistol in

1004
01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:15,560
your waistband or whatever. There are
a thousand ways to carry and properly,

1005
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:20,520
properly carry exactly, and so Carrie, just for self protection, that's a

1006
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,159
good idea. Well, listen,
I'm gonna wind this up. We get

1007
01:15:24,199 --> 01:15:27,439
past an hour and people quit listening, but I think I think people are

1008
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,520
going to be really interested in this. And again, thanks again for coming

1009
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,680
on, and guys, I appreciate
your listen with me. Yeah, you're

1010
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:38,279
welcome. Appreciate you listening this far. And we'll see you guys on the

1011
01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:38,920
next video.