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You're listening to KFI A six on
demand. Dan, Welcome to the Jesus

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Christia. Good morning Jesus. You
know, recently I've over the past years,

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I've been reading a lot of physics
books, and to the contrary,

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brings me closer to the Lord understanding
science. My question is, somewhere in

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the Bible, I think it's Old
Testament says you can search one end of

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the avenue to the other, and
you will not find anything like mankind.

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So I've kind of assumed that this
is it. We're the people here on

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Earth. His all there is into
the universe, and the entire universe is

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for his glory. I've read that
before too, His creation is for his

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glory. Well, my question is, if there were to be life on

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other planets, would Jesus, would
you be out there dying on the cross

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and resurrecting across the universe for other
people and other life forms? Are that's

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you'd have to assume that. Now, you brought up a lot of good

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points. First of all, you're
you're right out of the gates. You're

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right. Science and and faith are
not at odds. They work together,

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all truth being God's truth. Uh. However, on top of that,

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the concept you you paraphrased, is
that there's no place in scripture that allows

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for this kind of outside extraterrestrial world. Now, I know a lot of

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people have problems with that because of
the sex appeal of the thought of extraterrestrials

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and that type of thing. And
and plus then you put people's personal experiences,

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some that say they've been abducted,
and it causes you know, it's

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almost a religion unto itself. So
although the curiosity is there and it's a

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fascinating topic, that when you look
at the scriptural foundation, you have a

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hard you're you're hard pressed to try
and fit the two together. For a

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couple of reasons. It takes away
the specialness of humanity in many ways.

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Also, Hebrews two sixteen says,
for assuredly, he capital h speaking about

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me does not give help to angels, but he gives help to the descendants

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of Abraham speaking about humans. So
angels aren't saved. That's why when one

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third of Heaven left, they stay
gone. They can't change their mind or

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come back or be saved or any
of that process. Because they're very different

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than humans in that sense. As
far as the amount of knowledge they have

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based on who they are and how
they were created. So that shows that

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there is a difference between me coming
as man and saving man versus just me

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coming as a creature. In this
case intellect, will and emotion. I

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say creature because it's too mirror create. So you can't just say, well,

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it's going to cover everybody, because
if they're different in any way,

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like the angels are different, then
it doesn't count. The purpose was to

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come as a human to take on
the sins of humanity, so there's no

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way to get over that in scripture. And lastly, I will say,

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on the scientific note, it's interesting
that when you hear a scientist talk about

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the mathematical probability of humanity existing from
an evolutionary standpoint, that you are talking

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about numbers, you know, sixteen
zero zeros or more behind that concept,

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which puts it actually it would be
more, which puts it in the mathematical

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category of an impossibility. So if
this one group of life is already an

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impossibility mathematically that it would come out
of chaos or nothing, then to say

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that there's life somewhere else from a
scientific standpoint becomes an interesting mathematical situation too,

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because now you're saying this one time
was impossible by our you know,

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equations, but now you're saying,
well, there's there's going to be life

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somewhere else, and now that becomes
even more mathematically impossible, not just improbable.

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So on the science side, it
doesn't lend a whole much to it.

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Although nobody likes to come out and
be the bad guy and say now

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there's probably not life anywhere else,
but theologically Dan there's no real room for

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it. There are people that try
and look at versus like there are others

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that are not of this flock,
or I have flock that are not of

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this group. And people say,
oh, look, that's talking about you

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know, it's talking about you know, extraterrestrials and God is making room for

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them. And that's not the case. It's talking about Jews and Gentiles.

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It's talking about those that were the
faithful of the day and those that were

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not. And so there, you
know, people try and look at things

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the wheel in the sky and Isaiah
and all these type of things and try

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and make them into something dealing with
extraterrestrials, but that it's just not in

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there. In the scripture, there's
no real place for it there to boot.

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So yeah, and I'd like to
add that many times on these science

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channels and things they talk about all
they always say, you know, the

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odds are the tremendous galaxies out there
and all this, the odds are there

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would have to be beaming with life. And I always come back and say

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to myself that they're always saying,
man is arrogant to think that he's the

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only one in the whole universe.
I say, well, no, on

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the contrary, we're so special that
God creative size, that he came down

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here and locked among us, that
makes us very special. And that's I

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think that's the end of it all. Because he created a universe and he

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came here makes us very unique and
special. And you hear and that's right,

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Dan, And you hear arguments sometimes
people saying, oh, well,

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you know, the faithful or the
religionists say that there aren't extraterrestrials, and

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that's just because they want to feel
like they're special. They're the only ones,

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as you're saying, they're the only
ones on the planet. There can't

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be anybody else, And it's just
humanity's way of feeling special. However,

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those who believe in extraterrestrials believe what
that they visited where here? Why would

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they visit here because you think you're
special, because you think Earth is worthy

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of visiting. Yeah, So it's
kind of an interesting thing that people get

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caught up in, Dan, and
I appreciate you bringing that up today because

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a lot of people get caught up
in that and listen, it is incredibly

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interesting and a fascinating discussion. I
get that, and I want you to

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explore things, and I want you
to question things. And you know there's

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forums for that, you know,
Coast to Coast and George and Ian they

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do a wonderful job, and there's
there's places to discuss those things and those

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ideas, and this is one of
them as well. But scripturally, there

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is not a whole lot of footing
for that idea. There's just not And

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I know that angers some people.
And we have a rule here on the

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show, and that is that that
when it comes to people that you don't

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change the mind the mind of a
devout anything unless they're a devout truth seeker.

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You won't change the mind of a
devout Protestant. You won't change the

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mind of a devout Catholic. You
won't change the mind of a devout Muslim,

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devout Jew, a devout atheist.
You won't change the mind of anybody

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unless they're a devout truth seeker.
First and foremost. That is that that

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is what they're seeking. And if
they're seeking that, then then there is

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hope. Cindy, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show. Hello Jesus, Hi,

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Cindy. I have a question.
I have been I'm a middle aged

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individual and had pardoner been recently diagnosed
with depression, well recently, it's been

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a couple of years, and I've
also got some sematic pain that I experienced

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from time to time, and I
had also sought treatment alternatively, herbly speaking,

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if you know what I'm talking about, Yes, marijuana, I'm assuming

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they're right, Okay, for medical
purposes okay, and uh and it's not

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for the high per se, I
mean, unfortunately, that's the side effect.

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But I do notice that it does
pardon me, help, I mean,

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I'm concerned about some of the side
effects. But marijuana is a depressant.

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Well, that's what I understand.
Why why would why would that help?

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Well, I also have anxiety issues. So sometimes that that helps I

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see, that makes more sense.
My question is this, I'm not for

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certain as to the you know,
veracity, how the Lord will look at

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it. But there's been scripture.
You know, they talk about pharmakia a

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lot of evangelists on the television doo. Yeah, Pharmacia is the the the

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Greek term for sorcery, mostly in
scripture, and it's tied into you know,

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the word it's where you get the
root word for pharmacy or pharmaceuticals.

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Correct. And yes, there is
a point where using certain pharmaceuticals or using

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certain things to you know, take
the edge off or have a different experience,

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can be considered a form sorcery.
But they're specific in nature. You

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can't just broad brush it. It's
important to understand that that's speaking about people

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that are using them recreationally for a
particular high, to remove themselves out of

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reality. It's going to lump the
whole thing. And especially when you look

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at the television commercials and you see
the side effects for some of these medications

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to treat certain illnesses, and it's
starting to fold sure at fifty five and

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you know you're thinking, gosh,
the side effects are worse than the treatment

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that you're going for. Yes,
you wonder if everything in the world causes

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loose stool by the sounds of those
commercials, Yeah, exactly. You know

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what I'm thinking it Could we possibly
have the de lerk? Can we love

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all of you know, Man's pharmaceuticals
in with that pharmakia thing? Or what's

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the deal here? Where do we
draw the line? Well, when it

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comes to marijuana, it may sound
like a technicality, but it's an important

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one. It's about its legality.
If it's illegal work to Scripture says you're

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to be respecting the laws of the
land unless those laws dictates you to reject

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God in some way. You know, I don't want to bring what's reproach

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upon the Lord for doing something that's
not right at you know, the stumbling

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and things like that too. I
mean, it's not something I advertise,

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but I want to get, you
know, an opinion on that because I'm

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thinking pharmachea, I'm thinking gush.
I mean, some of the stuff that's

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out there, like Vicardin is abused. Absolutely. That's one of those things

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that become is a Christian comfort level. And you look and you see things

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that are become cultural and therefore the
church thinks, well, this is where

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the stance on scripture, but it's
not. It's been a cultural part of

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the church, but not a theological
part of the church. And you shouldn't

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be abusing any substance whatsoever, whether
it's something legal like alcohol, or whether

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it's something you drink alcoholic it makes
me sick. Thank God. Well,

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there's different things that that you know, people are comfortable, and that's that's

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not the fair way to look at
The fair way to look at it is

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that mostly scripture is silent on it
specifically but generically when it's speaking about pharmacia.

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It's to understand that if you are
in an altered state, you are

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more susceptible to, you know,
spiritual suggestions. And in this particular case,

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if that's the same with any medicine
that you're on that's not just ones

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that you feel a buzz on necessarily. The difference is, you know,

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somebody can have a glass of wine
and not get high. However, if

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you're smoking pot, the only effects
you're going to have or reward from it,

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if you will, if it's used
medicinally, is going to be if

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you obtain that high. There's not
you know, a bunch of shades of

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gray. So there's not like a
high level like there is, you know,

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an alcohol blood level. Well,
you have to be responsible too,

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I mean, if you know that
that's a side effect, it's relieving other

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issues, but don't drive. You
don't do stu the things exactly, other

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medication exactly. So so the takeaway
here that is important. Cindya's first and

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foremost. You have to use it
appropriately and protect it. Treat it like

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a powerful prescription drug. Don't leave
it out, don't leave it where kids

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can get it, those types of
things. And if you're in the confines

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of those laws, then there's not
going to be anything in scripture that's going

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to have a problem with that.
Tim, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Hi, Tim, you're there.
Yeah, I got questions. Yes,

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I grew up. Mesis a whole
fortification by school, church camp.

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That the whole up. Then I
got kicked out of my house of the

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moment r And then I basically blamed
God because you know, I felt I

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did anything I should and he let
me down. I feel And now my

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wife and my kids they go to
church, and every time I go with

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them, I feel out of place. Why do I feel that way?

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Because you you aren't right with God. I mean, if you feel uncomfortable

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in front of somebody, it's usually
because of something you did, or miscommunication,

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for one, blaming me for the
things that you've done, or or

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putting on me the you know,
the situations in your life obviously built there

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by you, Tim is gonna put
a division. And I think you know

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that deep down if you're honest with
yourself and you look at the decisions you've

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made and the actions you've put forth
in the relationship, in the situation that

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you you know, if you're honest
with yourself, we'll say, Okay,

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there's things that I've done that I'm
not happy about, I'm not proud of,

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or are not productive in the relationship, either with your family or with

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God. And by doing those things, you separate yourself from God. You

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go into a church, of course, you're not going to feel comfortable because

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you're not comfortable. I mean,
there's always the option that you could not

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feel comfortable because the church is odd
or the people in the church aren't very

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loving. But just based on the
simple description that you gave to me today,

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I would say that there's something you're
doing to separate yourself. And if

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you start playing that name, that
name and blame game that everybody does,

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you know it's their fault, or
it's their fault or I blame it on

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God. That usually points to the
fact that you're not being honest to yourself

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about things that you've done or things
that you haven't done, in a relationship

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with your family, whatever it might
be. To make things work. Frank,

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welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Thank you for taking my call,

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my pleasure. How can I help
you? Yeah, my question is about

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what some people call negative of theology, and I ask it maybe specifically with

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the thought of how is a Christian, myself or any Christians supposed to view

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or have a picture of God.
You know, my feelings as God is

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such just a wonderful, great transcendence
thing. I can't even understand, a

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mystery, true awe, not all
like people use these days. Sure people

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say awesome all the time. Yeah, yeah, it gets watered down a

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little bit, doesn't it. Yeah, So I find it easier and somewhat

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valuable to think that God is not
this, He's not an old man with

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a gray beard, the Father God, if you were here, so we

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have a picture of you as you
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at least, yeah, God is
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I wondered your thoughts about that.
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Any Christian should try to view God. That's a wonderful question. It

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brings up a whole lot. So
let's see how much of it we can

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get to. First of all,
when you're dealing with negative theology or what's

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referred to as via negativa in a
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another theological term for it would be
a prophetic theology. So if you're if

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you're dealing with that kind of theology
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that there are or pointing out the
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is a process. There's a there
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tell you the thing that I don't
like about it, or statements like and

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you alluded to this yourself, and
I'll point out why. But you said

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yourself about knowing what you can't know
about God. That when you get to

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that negative theology concept where where you
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about the essence of God. Unfortunately, that's self stultifying because you're using words

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about the essence of God, even
if it's in the negative. The use

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of the negative in philosophy makes the
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almost humbling themselves and removing themselves from
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You're essentially saying, I can't utter
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By saying that statement, you've countered
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can't Emmanuel Kant said this as well, that you can't know God. But

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by making that statement, you're making
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you can have that one piece of
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have other pieces of knowledge about God? That would be my I guess what

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I mean is, you know,
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great, and God is a great
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can say things about God. But
perhaps the negative side has some value in

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saying, indeed, this is what
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with a great beard. Absolutely.
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which furthers this which is that it's
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certain things you can know and certain
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know by special revelation meaning scripture where
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this is what I do, and
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in Romans one it talks about general
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can know by the designer, by
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you can learn things about an artist
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their art. Yeah, you can
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like textures, textures, or if
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things. These will give you insights
to the individual, just like creation will

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give you insights to the creator.
That God is a reasonable God, that

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God is a god of justice,
that God is a god of intellect,

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will and emotion. These things can
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can know things. Now, then
you brought in this third element, which

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is why I said, such a
wonderful question, but very complex. You

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brought in this third possibility, and
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human attributes to God. And that
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this some weeks ago, that people
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It's like God is just a better
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head over and over and over again, and you think, okay. And

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that's why you think an old man
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and then the man part comes from
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that scripture written in the masculine tense
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time save for one name of God
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speaking of the nurturing aspects of God. But these things all kind of mix

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and mesh frank into your knowledge of
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problem lives inherently in trying to see
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problem. But trying to see God
in intellect, will and emotion, and

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see God as a God of justice
in these things becomes quite clear through scripture,

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specials of revelation, and through creation
general revelation. So there are things

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that you can see and know about
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I agree with you on two points. That one that nowadays people use the

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word awesome towards things that aren't hardly
and that every word you use is coming

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from the imperfect mouth of an imperfect
human being. Will be imperfect in the

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description of God, but it doesn't
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understanding on a human level of God. So you can say things about God.

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You can say God is great.
Is it trite in comparison to the

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magnificence of God? Yes, but
so is the word magnificence. So there

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there really is things that words and
language is wonderful because it often comes out

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of the experience, like, for
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what the root word of excruciating as
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the very pain on the cross.
Krush come is in the word excruciating.

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It comes from death on the cross. It comes from that experience. And

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therefore you say, gosh, I
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excruciating experience. Was it really like
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So there's the words are going to
be imperfect. Every analogy about God is

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going to break down. Every you
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who God is and the vastness of
who God is. It will fall imperfect

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at the foot of God. But
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God. It's just that's just the
way language works. I'm reminded of.

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You know, scientists that will occasionally
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that's used that's casual. And I
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sun? The sun rise raised?
Did it really? No? No,

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it doesn't rise. The sun doesn't
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every scientist that looks out, you
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to say that the sun is setting. They're going to be looking because it's

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observational language, and you're going to
be limited in that. So philosophically,

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is there is there some value in
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you know, theology or the negative
theology. Yes, if it's put

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in there in part with a greater
understanding that, Yes, you can't know

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everything about God, you can't know
the fullness of God, but there are

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things that you can know, many
of which are taught to you or revealed

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to you by God himself and through
scripture, through creation. And if you

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can know those things, then you
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God in a box. You can't
put a beard on him. You can't

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make God white, black or yellow. You can't make a God man or

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woman in the big concept in the
in the you know, uh, the

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the different concept dealing with Christianity would
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me into the equation and you have
God becoming flesh. So says John one

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one in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, the

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word was God, and the word
became flesh. So there's there's difference in

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Christianity because you have that image.
Now you said picture. There are no

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photographs of me. Scripture says that
there was nothing in my outward appearance that

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made me, you know, there
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no reason to follow me over someone
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me because they thought I was good
looking and men were following me because they

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thought I was super smart. It
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says that it wasn't like I was
I wasn't anything special to look at.

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Now in paintings or movies or depictions, it's always this long, sort of

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blonde haired guy with piercing blue eyes. Doesn't you know that doesn't fit the

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time period or any of those things. But that's to set me apart in

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the context of the movie or the
player what have you to be different than

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anybody else. But you can know
certain things about my physical appearance because you

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know it talked about certain things,
but it's not about the physical man.

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Yes, exactly, I had two
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and mouth all those things. But
I find confusing and forgive me for him

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no, please. As you know, I was always taught as a child

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that we were made in the image
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to understand that that doesn't mean literally
the image and likeness of God as physical,

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because then God would look like a
man. Exactly. It deals with

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intellect, will and emotion. That
humans have intellect, will and emotion.

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in the image of God because they
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so there are some that go back
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that might be something of value as
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and think that that has to do
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talking about the physical. If you
remember my discussion in scripture talking about being

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born again is people think that that's
a you know, that's a group of

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church or something. It's not.
It's a it's a concept in Scripture.

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It's actually translates to mean be gotten
from above, not to be born again,

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but but but to be born from
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with Nicodemus, i'm I remember talking
to him and he's trying to grasp it,

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and he says, well, so
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know, my mother's womb again.
And I said, no, no,

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no, they're born. You're born
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If you're born of the spirit when
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And so to say that that you
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the physical is a misnomer. It's
to understand that in the physical your soul

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is made up of intellect, will
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image of God. Taren, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ. Show hi,

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my lord, Hi. I wonder
if you would explain what you mean when

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you say, I am with you
always. Oh, at the end of

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the show. Yeah, okay,
at the end of the show. Essentially,

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it's a reminder and it's loosely referencing
Matthew twenty eight, verse twenty.

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It says, teaching to them to
observe all that I command you, and

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lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.

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And the reason why I say that
at the end of the show is

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because we have limited time here on
the show, and it goes by quickly,

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and we, you know, only
to share so much, and that

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it's very easy when the show ends
to forget. You get wrapped up in

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the show, or you get wrapped
up in what we're doing here. And

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it's not about the show, and
it's not about the circumstances, which is

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why we refer to them as life
circumstances. Not about just the things around

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you that will change. It's about
what's around you that won't change, and

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that's God, and that God is
a constant. And every time we come

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together and it's you know, only
for a little bit of time, and

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I hope that you continue to join
me every Sunday. But there's some that

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don't or they go away, or
they can't listen, or they move or

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whatever it is. And I don't
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If it's just about us meeting here, then everything I say every single week

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is lost. It means nothing.
The only way that it has power,

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the only way that it has potency
and understanding and is relevant to your life,

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is if you know that it's it's
not a the fleeting moment. It's

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not about this show, but it's
about a relationship with God. And so

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it's important to me every single week
to spend that last few seconds of the

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show to remind you of the importance
of that and to let you know that

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no matter what takes place on the
show, outside of the show in life,

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that I am with you always.
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