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We started to leave. My husband
says he's going to go ahead and go,

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and he goes in front of me
with U haul, and I'm about

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maybe five minutes behind him. I'm
down this country road and I'm next to

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an area where there's a creek on
the left side of the road. When

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I say way down into the creek
bed, I mean the sides are like

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six feet tall. I'm kind of
going slow because I'm not used to this

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road at all. I'm definitely not
going to speed limit. I may have

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been going twenty five thirty maybe I
had my window down about halfway. All

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of a sudden, something roars in
my window behind me. Keep in mind,

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I saw nothing as I was coming
around the bend of this road down

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next to this creek. I saw
nothing. But when this thing roared in

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my window, it was so loud
and there was so much air. They

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came to the car that it blew
my hair and it made my hair wet,

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and I screamed. This is Bigfoot
Crossroads. My name's Matt, and

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I would like to welcome Steph.
Steph. How are you good? How

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are you doing? Okay, good, good good. I am excited.

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You've got me all hyped up.
Now we've been talking about some things and

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I can't wait to get into this
so awesome. Yeah, take us to

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the beginning. Okay, the beginning. It was early nineties. My husband

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and I had moved to Indiana.
We lived in a mid mid to big

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sized town and we lived in an
apartment at first. In like an apartment,

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so we started looking our house.
While a lot of the houses in

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town are older, you know,
the house we ended up buying was built

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in the twenties. Nice house.
It was just it needed just a little

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fixing up. But what happened was
we got the house. He would go

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to work every day and we were
down to one car, so he would

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leave me there to paint the walls
clean, get everything runny so we can

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pretty much move in. And one
of the first things it was odd,

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I always felt super tired there.
It was early in my early twenties.

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Didn't get super tired at that point
super fast. And got to the point

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where I was cleaning and stuff.
And one day I was trying to hang

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some things on the wall and I
got in ther bit case and looked for

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drill bits and it was empty.
I thought it's weird, so He called

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me a lunch time and I said, hey, heyday, what'd you do

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with all the drill bits? And
he goes, what do you mean?

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And I said, well, the
case is here, but they're all gone.

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And he said, what do you
mean they're all gone? I said,

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there's not a drill bit in this
case, not a big one,

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not a little one. They're all
gone. And he said, well,

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that's weird. I don't remember taking
them a while out, but okay.

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So he took me back a couple
days later and I'm upstairs and I'm working

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in our closet and I opened the
door and I kicked something on the floor.

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Now, we hadn't been up there
working at all. We had just

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done the downstairs at this point.
And I get up stairs and I after

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I kicked this, it rolls across
the floor and I think, what was

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that? And I turned the light
on and it's drill bits and they're all

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in a row in the floor in
the closets in the middle of the floor.

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Wow. Now this is a closet. It's like four feet wide,

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six feet long, you know,
walk in nice closet. But I thought,

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okay. So he calls again and
I said Hey, I found out

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your Drubb's. They're in the closet
upstairs. He said, what do you

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mean all the Drubitts in the closet
upstairs, and they said they were in

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a row. I kicked them and
they all rolled across the floor and he

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said, I didn't put them there. I haven't been in that closet.

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And I was like, well,
okay. And that was literally just the

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beginning. It was literally just the
first taste of I should have thought something

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is up, but you know,
you just go about your business, you

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know, and thinks light flickering.
That's the first thing that happened, right

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right, right, yeah, yeah, So I just thought, well,

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if the lights sort of flickered,
I would have thought maybe there's an electrical

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problem, you know, nineteen twenty's
house. But you know, so then

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you know, time goes on,
We get everything fixed up. We have

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a group of friends come up to
visit. It's two other couples and they

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come up and you know, the
evening we're having a little gid together and

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a few drinks and playing some games
and you know, catching up and goofing

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off. And we have a friend
who drank a little more than the rest

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of us. So the next day
we had plans to go out shopping and

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do a few things. And the
next morning we get up and I asked

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this six foot four friend of mine
if he wants to go, and he

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said, first of all, I
don't like shopping. Second of all,

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I'm kind of hungover, so I'm
not going to go. So I said,

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okay, So we go and everything's
fine, and we get back and

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I'm in the kitchen and I'm cleaning
up some mess and making some food and

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he follows me into the kitchen and
he says to me, thanks a lot

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for leaving me here by myself.
And I turned and I looked at her

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and I said, well, what
do you mean? And he goes,

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really, really, you're not going
to tell me that your house is haunted.

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You're just going to leave me here
by myself. And I could feel

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all the color draining out of my
face because I just thought, okay,

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now, wait, now I've you
know, heard some weird noises the drill,

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but thing, you know, bumps
in the night, you know.

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I thought, okay, well maybe
it was just my imagination, but here's

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another person who doesn't live in this
house looking at me and saying you're haunted.

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Your house is haunted, and I
thought, okay, okay, So

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I said why what happened? And
he said, people walk around upstairs and

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there's nobody up there, and the
cat stares at nothing and cries, and

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you can't hear conversations, but you
can't really understand what people are saying.

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Let you know, there's people talking
and I'm just staying in there, like,

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okay, okay, okay, there
might be something to this there.

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They're just it might not be my
imagination. There might be something to this.

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So let's see flash forward, maybe
about I don't know, another month.

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It's solidly summer. Someone comes to
the door and when we get to

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the door, it is the people
who used to own the house, and

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the lady says, I really hate
to bother you, but my sign wants

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to see his old room. So
I said, okay, that's not a

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problem. We haven't done anything.
It was the back bedroom. It's still

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the way it was when you guys
left. So he runs up the stairs

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and she stands there and talks,
and you know, we just she asked

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how things are going, and I
just say fine, And a few minutes

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later her son comes back down the
stairs and he is kind of half giggling,

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half smiling, perfectly content, and
I'm thinking, okay, that's a

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little weird, but I okay,
maybe he just missed home. Okay.

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So she's apologizes and I said it's
perfectly fine, and they leave. Later

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that afternoon, the neighbor says,
I saw the old neighbor here earlier.

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Was everything okay? And I proceeded
to tell her what happened, and she

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proceeded to tell me while their son
has an imaginary friend that they could never

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get him to get rid of.
So I said, okay, okay,

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all right, no kids do that
sometimes, all right, So not a

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big deal. So I told my
husband and he's like, oh, you

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know, so things are moving along. We're still working on the house a

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little bit. We decide to have
the exterior redone. It was just white

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alone siding and we were going to
have Vinyl signing put on it. It

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had hail damage on one side,
so we thought, well, let's go

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ahead and have it done. And
what happened was I had chosen tan that

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was a big thing in the nineties
ten with green shutters. Well, one

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night I went to bed and the
next morning, I woke up and I

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had completely changed my mind. And
I remember walking into the kitchen and looking

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at my husband and saying, uh, we're gonna have to change the order

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for the final sighting. And he
looked at me like okay, and I

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said I think I needed to be
yellow. And he said, what do

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you mean you needed to be yellow? I said, I think I've decided

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I wanted to be yellow. So
he's looking at me like ook, and

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I'm not gonna argue. So he
calls the company and they said, no,

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we haven't ordered it yet, and
he said, fine, you have

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yellow. Yes, okay, we're
going with yellow. So the company was

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putting in signing out. The guys
came to the door and said, we

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always want people to look at the
condition of their house underneath before we cover

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back up, you know, to
let you know there's no damage, no

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rotted wood, nothing like that.
And the guy comes to the door and

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he says, well, now we
know why you chose the color you chose.

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And I said what And I walked
around the side of the house and

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my house was yellow underneath. Wow. I just was shocked. I just

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thought, well, what are the
odds. Yeah, I'd never seen any

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old pictures of the house. No
one had ever said anything. You know,

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It's not like somebody said, you
know, your house was yellow before,

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you know, but it was the
exact shade of yellow that it was

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underneath. And then I thought to
myself, you know, do they whisper

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in your ear? And I do
you? I mean, but it was

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literally an overnight thing. I went
to bed, I woke up, that's

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what I had decided. And I
just thought, Okay, what are the

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odds of that? What are the
odds of me picking the color it already

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was? And I've never thought to
you know, I've never been like I

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have, you know, I have
psychic hours or you know that that's not

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you know, not in my wheelhouse. So yeah, that's my any of

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my talents. But I was shocked, and even the guys. And then

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when I was kind of fucking saything, the guys were just standing there looking

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at me. I was like,
oh, yeah, that's fine. You

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know, I just walked like in
the house because I thought, I don't

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want to freak out in front of
these dudes. But I'm having a moment,

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you know. Yeah. Yeah,
So you know, it was always

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things like that that we were just
you know, and I felt like,

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you know, people say when we're
remodeling, you're remodeling, sometimes it's more

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active. We we didn't do anything
big. All of our work was like

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more cosmetic. Tick down the wall
paper, paint the walls, you know,

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change the foss or two. But
it wasn't anything you know, moving

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walls or anything like that. But
right. Oh, and then another person

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who came we had, we had
cats and we had the neighbor it was

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sixteen, come to feed the cats, and his tad called while we were

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gone and said, I want you
to know everything's okay, but I want

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you to know that my son won't
go to your house by himself anymore.

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And he was saying the same thing
that the other friend was saying. You

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know, the walking, the murmuring. You know, it was just constant

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when people were there, that wasn't
when we weren't there. It was odd

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that it was worse when it was
strangers than it was when we were in

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the house. Something I can relate
to. Really. Yeah, yeah,

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I mean everything you're talking about is
like I'm just saying, you're thinking,

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like, yep, same same,
especially like the murmuring where you just can't

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make out what they're saying. It
kind of sounds like a TV on in

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another room. Yes, yes,
uh, you know, one of the

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first things that I ever noticed in
my own home was the walking around the

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footsteps, so that was a big
one. But yeah, a lot of

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things have happened, especially more what
I consider like in your face type activity

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has happened to strangers and people here
whenever I'm not in the room or I'm

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not even in the house. Yeah, because at first, my you know,

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I think my husband was thinking that
we should we we should be experiencing

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the same things that others were experiencing. But it was it was always worse

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when it wasn't when we weren't at
home. But then we we had an

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issue where we had decided we got
the fireplace. It was a little the

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chimney was a little too small,
but they told us it was up to

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code. So I decided that we
would go ahead and get wood delivered.

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So I knew a guy in town. He delivered wood, and he was

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out side unstacking the wood out of
his truck beside our garage, and he

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says to me, that's really a
shame that that little boy got killed in

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your garage, in every hair on
my body, just kind of like and

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I said, and he's still unstacking, you know. He said it like,

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hey, it's raining today, you
know. And I said, now,

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wait, wait, wait, wait, did you say that a boy

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got killed in my garage? And
he goes, well, he didn't get

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killed in his in your garage,
but he was playing with gas and matches

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and he accidentally set himself on fire
in your garage. That's horrible. Yes,

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yes, so now we realize,
you know, okay, now this

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these things that are happening, are
you know, now we know why it

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could be happening or the source of
why it's happening. I mean, yeah,

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yeah, pretty classic, yeah,
tragic. Yes, yes, So

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I had a friend that worked at
the library, and she proceeded to look

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in the papers, the old papers, and after a while of looking,

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she said that she found where this
incident occurred in the early sixties, and

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there was two newspaper articles about it. So you were able to like actually

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confirm it, yes, outside of
just you know, after him just saying

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what he did say as he was
finishing the story into the finishing unstacking the

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wood that he had lived two blocks
away when that occurred. Wow. Yes,

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But when we found the newspaper articles, it was a for sure thing.

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You know, it wasn't just someone
telling you, it was documented.

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Did you ever experience stuff in the
garage itself? Yes, I was very

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uncomfortable out there. I didn't want
to spend any time out there. One

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was odd is when we bought the
house, the wall in the back was

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very like the beans looked charred or
black. We interpreted that as someone had

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let cars, even with the grudge, were open. Someone had let a

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car sit in there and run.
Yeah, okay, But after then we

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heard this. When we got to
looking, you could see where it was.

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Actually the layer, the outside layer
of the wood had burned. Wow.

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So then we knew, yes,
you know, this actually happened,

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and this is where it happened.
But none of the neighbors. By then

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we were friends with neighbors, and
nobody had said anything because everybody said,

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we really liked you, We didn't
want to tell you, We didn't want

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you to away. Yeah, I
mean, how do you even tell someone

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that, right? How do you
approach that? Hey, by the way,

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you know, and we weren't going
around saying hey, do you think

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there's a ghost in mind? You
know, we weren't really talking about it

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because we didn't want to be the
crazy people, you know. Meanwhile,

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I get pregnant and our son is
born, and he gets to the point

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where he's in a toddler bed.
Well, he will not stay in his

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room. He doesn't say anything,
but he just will not stay in his

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room at night. Well, if
he came in the room, we had

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one of those mirrors on that back
of our bedroom door, and it swelled

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in the summer, and when you
open the door would go on it would

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make kind of ways, you know, so when he would sneak in,

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he would kind of try to open
it slow and then but if my husband

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woke up, he would take him
back to his room. Okay, So

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what started happening is I would put
a palette on the floor on my side

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of the bed because he knew if
he came around to my side of the

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bed and fell asleep on the floor
that mommy would let him stay. Okay,

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okay, yes, Well, one
night I get to woke up by

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my husband who has flung the light
on and is frantically picking up that palette

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that's on my side of the bed
on the floor, and I said,

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what are you doing? And he
said, you know our son is in

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here. And I said, what
do you Why do you think that?

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He said, the door flung open, you know, the mirror made the

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noise. I know he's in here. Well, I said, hey,

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where are you be in here?
He's not you know, he's not on

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the pallettes and you can't roll under
the bed. You know, he's not

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in here. And he's like,
I know he's in here. And about

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the time he's looking at me and
I can I know now he's like,

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because he was a I think this
stuff might be happening, happening, but

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I'm not. He's not sold.
Okay, so right now, yeah,

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right right? Because he looks at
me and in his most serious face that

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I've ever seen him make, he
said, I saw him come past the

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end of the bed. Nope.
Uh. And I said, babe,

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are you suing? He said,
I saw him. So he proceeds to

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walk down the hall and our son
is in his bed sleep. So that

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was that was the day. Then
my husband was like, Okay, maybe

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something is happening, and you're not
as crazy as I thought you were.

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Going on yeah, yeah, this
could be a thing. You could be

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right. So you know, at
that moment, I was kind of glad

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because up into that when I thought, I'm I could be losing my mind.

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You know, you have those moments
of like, am I imagining all

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this? Am? I have?
I watched you many TV shows? Is

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there is there something that I'm you
know I should be This would be a

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logical explanation for all of this.
But eventually you think, no, you

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know, I'm not that crazy.
You know this has to this has to

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be something. Okay, So you
know, so then I start to ask

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the neighbors and they begin to admit
that they didn't know how to tell us,

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didn't want to tell us. Okay, so fine, So I go

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to a nearby town where they are
having a paranormal investigation on a historical home

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and I start to talk to this
parent normal team that's out of Indianapolis,

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and I say, you know,
I'm asking these very pointed questions. And

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finally the leader of the script told
me. He pulls me aside and he

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said, are you having issues?
I mean, do you have a hunting

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in your home? And I said, yeah, I really am He said,

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my friend, yeah, it's it's
someone else, it's not me.

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But he said, can we come, can we do an investigation? And

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I said sure, So I let
them come, you know, and they

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get in the door and they sit
down and they're doing the inshow interview and

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he said, you know, I
just don't get a vibe. He said,

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usually if I walk into a house, I don't get a you know,

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I get a vibe. And I
do not get a vibe here.

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Okay. So I'm like, okay, well, you know, I'm just

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I'll just tell you what, you
know, what people have told me,

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and you know, So the evening
progresses and they have been told about the

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groad. So they decided I think
this was maybe mid to late January.

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So it's really cold and outside really
with cold. So they go out to

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the garage and the one girl comes
in and says, there's something wrong with

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my temperature page on my meter and
I said, well why and she said,

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because it keeps shooting up to like
almost two hundred degrees. WHOA,

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We'll see. The initial interview person
doesn't did not tell the team. He

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didn't want to skew what they found, right, So then she gets a

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different one and takes it out and
it does the same thing. So the

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team leader says, well, let's
put a camera out there and see if

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we can catch anything. So they
put a camera on a really like it's

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like a welded heavy plate, and
they put this camera out in my garage

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and somewhere around I don't know,
two forty two forty five in the morning,

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this camera, the whole plate that
this camera is hooked to, begins

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to pan across my garage and it
stops at the very spot where the wood

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is burnt. And I'm just you
know, and I'm just sitting there,

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and the person who had interviewed me
just turns and looks like and he's looking

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at me to get my reaction.
I'm like, So they go out there

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to make sure that nothing moved the
cable, nothing made it, you know,

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nothing nothing. They couldn't find an
explanation, you know, so they're

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like, okay, you know.
So then then the whole team goes out,

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you know, and goes out to
the garage and checks everything. And

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he comes back in and he says, yeah, it's it's a lot different

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out there in it. And I
was like, yeah, it's it's a

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lot different out there. So yeah, totally different vibe in the garage than

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in the house. But the only
thing that ever happened in the house,

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and it was after, you know, some time after you know, this

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was a you know, these all
occurred in a almost a thirty year span

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of this occurring, you living in
this house. But the one thing that

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happened that I told my husband,
if it happens again, we're leaving,

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We're moving. I cannot. I
cannot experience that again. And what happened

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was on the street we lived on. There was a house across the street

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and three houses down they had several
children. Two families lived together, and

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there was a lot of kids,
and I always worried they were kind of

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playing by the road, you know, and I just thought, well,

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okay, they need to be a
little more careful. And I was in

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the house. It was early spring
day. I had the one of the

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first days of the year that I
had flung the windows open, you know,

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planing, and all of a sudden, I hear a woman screaming,

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like screaming to the top of prolongs
And it gives me cold chills every time

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I talk about it. And she
screams, oh, my god, my

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baby, my baby, and I
thought something's happened one of those kids.

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And I remember flinging the front door
open and standing on my porch and there's

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nothing. There's no one outside,
there's no one around, and my brain

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just was I was so confused by
what I had heard that I couldn't I

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wasn't like grasping, you know,
I'm just thinking, well, who was

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screaming that loud? And why is
no one out here? Like why am

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I not seeing anybody? You know. So by the time I had turned

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and gotten back into the house,
I realized, did I just hear something

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that has the day that that boy
got burned? And I asked the neighbor,

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I said, you were here when
this happened, and she said,

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my husband was, and he ran
across the front yard because he heard the

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mom screaming wow. And it was
like I knew in that moment that I

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heard what happened, because what had
happened that had happened in the garage,

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and she saw him run past the
front window, which was a huge,

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big window and land in the front
yard. That's so horrible, I know,

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I know. And that was the
day that I told my husband if

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I hear it again. I cannot
hear that again. I mean at that

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point I had a son of my
own, and I said, I cannot

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live here anymore if I hear it
again, And he said, I understand

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such a tragic event that is just
emotionally imprinted on the property. M Yes,

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and I think. I mean,
I feel like I always used to

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think, is it residual? Is
it like happening over and over and over

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again? Do you know what I
mean? And that's what I was afraid

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of. I thought, I can't
keep living here if this, if it's

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going to progress, like if I
can, if I start to see the

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event, if it's bad enough to
have heard it, to hear the anglish

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in her and to just know how
horrible that moment was. Because I felt

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like in my whole soul I felt
it, and I knew at that point

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that it happened again, I had
to leave. I loved my home,

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but I was going to have to
go. And thankfully it never happened again.

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I never heard it again. Did
the activity continue after that point,

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yes, yeah, I mean I
never it was never anything like that.

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It was always a lot of them
murmuring, a lot of the banging,

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the walking. In fact, one
day it got too bad. I remember

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standing in the hallway stairs and I
just said, you know what, I

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don't have time for this today.
I don't have time to worry about it.

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I don't have time to deal with
it. So if you keep that

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down, that would be great.
And then you know, it got quiet

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for a little while, But there
was it was always something. It was

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like, it was always right when
we could quiet, then something would you

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know, I'd hear a noise or
not explain, you know, bang or

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you know. It was never quite
all the way away, do you know

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what I mean? It was there
was always something there. But at one

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point my husband went to the post
office. We had been on vacation and

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my husband went to the post office
to get our mail and he said,

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I need the mail for, you
know, our address, and the lady

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behind him kind of tugs on the
back of his shirt and he turned out

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and said yeah, and she said
where did you say? And he said,

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well, she didn't look scarier like
serial killers, so I thought it

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was a little odd, but I
told her our address. And then she

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said I grew up in that house. And my husband said, oh when,

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and when he said a whin,
he realized that that was the sister

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of the boy who got killed.
I mean, we were talking about this

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before we started recording, and I
mean, what are the odds, you

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know, a population of a town
that is not small. Yeah, I

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mean we're talking thousands and thousands,
yeah, more than twenty thousand, you

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know, and you guys had been
out of town. Yes, And he

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just happened to go to the post
office at that moment. She happened to

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go to the post office at that
moment, at that very moment, happened

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to line up behind him, Yes, heard him say something, decided to

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ask him about it. Yes,
And then it was her. Wow.

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Now, from what I understand,
there were several I want to say,

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there were seven siblings that lived in
the house, so yeah, she had

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she had lived there growing up.
And of course he didn't say, you

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know, he thought, well,
you know, in my mind, I

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wanted to say, oh, yeah, you live there with you know,

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he said. Then I thought,
no, you know, no, I'm

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not going to say anything. But
even it even startled him because he you

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know, because when she said,
well I lived there in the sixties,

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you know, then he immediately knew, you know, oh, this has

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to be a sibling of Isn't it
weird when the universe just lines things up

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like that though, right right,
like like a you know, kind of

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like a little nudge of yeah,
yeah, because it was, you know,

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if the odds were that good of
winning the lottery, you know.

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But but you know, but I
feel like sometimes the universe wants like a

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confirmation right like that you needed.
Here it is, you know, it

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can't get any more obvious because it
was too phenomenal here it is. I

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don't know, I just there was
a lot of things that happened while we

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lived there that seemed to like that
they aligned, do you know what I

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mean? They just seem to Yeah. And at one point I had now

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keep in mind, my husband was
at the post office by himself, and

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flash forward a few probably maybe three
years, my husband came home for lunch.

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He was starting to leave, and
there was a caror park across the

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road, and I said, I'm
wonder who that is, because she's staring

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at the house. I mean,
she's not making she's not making any bones

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about the fact that she's staring at
our house. And my husband turns around

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and he said, I think that's
the lady from the post office. And

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I said, what do you mean
the lady. I thought, even a

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lady who worked at the post office. And then he said, no,

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the lady who said she used to
live here. And it was just about

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everything we just discussed from your perspective
as the person living in the house,

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But think about it from her perspective, right right. I mean that I'm

412
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:17.240
sure sent her aspiringly down a rabbit
hole, right right. So he goes

413
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:21.279
on and leaves to go back to
work, and I, you know,

414
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.039
across the street and I'm like,
you know, hi, and she's like,

415
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:28.119
hi, I'm and I said,
well, it's nice to meet you.

416
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.799
And my husband said that he ran
into you at the post office one

417
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.960
day, and she said, oh
yeah. She said I was just back

418
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.880
in town and I wanted to come
by and see the house. And I

419
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.440
said, well, wait, why
don't you come on in and I'll fix

420
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:44.000
it something to drink, you know, we'll sit and chat. And she

421
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:50.279
starts to cry and she says,
I can't. I can't. As much

422
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:53.839
as I would love to, I
went through so much there, I can't

423
00:33:53.880 --> 00:34:00.359
come in. And I said,
I'm really sorry, and she said.

424
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:07.680
It was always a great house.
She said, even to the end when

425
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:15.440
my mom passed there from cancer.
When we left there, I missed it,

426
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:22.760
but she said, too much happened
and I can't go back. And

427
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:29.400
I said, I understand you no
longer live there, which we'll get into

428
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:37.960
that. Yeah, but I have
to ask, do you feel any emotional

429
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:45.679
attachment to that home? Yeah?
Well it was knowing the story. Now

430
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.360
I feel like I am a part
of the story, right, do you

431
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.119
know what I mean? And I
loved it. I loved that house and

432
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:58.960
I raised my kids in that house, and I don't know, I mean,

433
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.559
it was one of those things I
was ready to go. We were

434
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.719
ready to move. We had decided
we wanted to be out in the country.

435
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.880
But it was a great house.
It was a great place to live.

436
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.800
I mean, my kids said they
had a great childhood there. I

437
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:24.760
mean, and eventually they knew the
story. I wouldn't they get old enough

438
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:28.880
I told them because there was some
things I just couldn't keep it a secret

439
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.079
anymore. You know, there was
too many noises that I couldn't Once they

440
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:34.880
were teenagers, I was like,
Okay, I'm not going to tell you.

441
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:37.079
That's a dog again. You know, I'm I'm gonna tell you that's

442
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:44.480
a dog outside. And you know
I told them the truth. They understood,

443
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:51.000
you know. But you know,
my oldest son still says, well,

444
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:55.119
yeah, I really miss it there
and things like that. So yeah,

445
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.119
I mean, it was just a
great house. It was a great

446
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.599
place to live. I I think
I feel the connection because I lived it

447
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:07.360
for almost thirty years. I lived
it and I found everything out about this

448
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:13.159
family. Well I'm sure not everything, but there's a lot of details about

449
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.639
this family and how some of them
still live in this town and how because

450
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:21.559
haunting is it's so funny. When
you think of a haunting, you think

451
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:28.239
of a long time ago, but
this one was so fresh, do you

452
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.880
know what I mean? It was
just so you know, all the emotions

453
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:35.360
connected to it, all the people
that were involved, and I mean I

454
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:39.280
met several people who had heard about
it, seen it, helped been there.

455
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:46.440
Because you can see the emotion and
people when they talk, it makes

456
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:52.000
it not just a distant thing.
It makes it like a very personal thing.

457
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:58.159
And I think that's why I felt
that way, because I felt when

458
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.239
she said I just can't go in, I could feel, you know,

459
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:08.400
I could just see the pain in
her and I understood. So, you

460
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.400
know, I think that's why there
was a connection there. I don't think

461
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:16.320
it was more about like a needing
to you know, like like a house.

462
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:20.360
But you know, I did feel
like when we bought it, instantly

463
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:22.760
I loved it, do you know
what I mean? I like, we

464
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:28.000
had looked at several and instantly I
was like, this is awesome. And

465
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:31.079
I had to desire to like make
a nice and you know, all those

466
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:35.880
things. But I never felt like
it was any more than just once I

467
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.920
was involved. I was in it, you know once I once I had

468
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:45.400
heard about this child and seeing a
family member how they suffer, then I

469
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:52.639
was invested. But no, then
then we you know, we decided to

470
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:59.159
you know, move to southern Indiana
and have a house built. And uh,

471
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:01.880
I thought, Okay, we're gonna
have the house built and it's not

472
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.840
gonna be haunted and there's not gonna
be anything. It's gonna be great.

473
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.800
There's there's there's no you know,
nothing connected to the land. Okay,

474
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:15.599
we didn't think there was anything connected
to the land. Okay, building a

475
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:20.079
house from scratch, you know,
nothing's happening in it. You're just thinking

476
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.960
it's going to be perfect, you
know. So we go to sign the

477
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:29.840
papers to buy the land and uh, the people who are selling as the

478
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:34.000
house said, hey, by the
way, you know, there's an Indian

479
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.480
mode across the road. By a
brain, I think it just kind of

480
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:40.679
seized up for a second because I
was like, oh no, no,

481
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.280
no, no, And I was
like how far are and they're like,

482
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:52.400
oh, right across the road.
I just thought, really, are you

483
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:55.400
serious, you know, really,
So we come back down and look at

484
00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:00.760
it's right there. Yeah, it's
right there. So then I thought,

485
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:04.960
okay, So immediately I'm taking you
know, I'm thinking ahead, we're gonna

486
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.840
we're gonna be precautionary on this.
We're gonna make sure that we don't have

487
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:15.000
any you know, Native American ghosts
anywhere, you know. So we get

488
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:17.360
to the point where the belter says, I'm going to start next week.

489
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:22.559
And I had a friend who was
going to come and do a blessing around

490
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:27.880
the yard and he couldn't do it. So I proceeded to look in every

491
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.639
book and every you know, they're
not sure who built the mounds or who

492
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:35.079
you know, came to live after. So I'm thinking, okay, so

493
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:38.920
I'm just gonna amass all these blessings
from all the tribes that are known to

494
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.760
be in this area, and I'm
just gonna I'm just gonna use everyone I

495
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:47.519
can find. So my husband,
who you know, he was all in

496
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.599
and the ghost thing at the end, So he was like, Okay,

497
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:52.519
I get it. So I said, you're gonna help me, please save

498
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:58.519
this whole place so that we don't
have a problem here. Okay. So

499
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.480
he's like, okay, So we
age. He walks around with me and

500
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.400
I do all these blessings in north
south east west, please give us permission

501
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:08.760
to live here. You know,
every tree, every bush, I covered

502
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:15.559
my basis. Okay. Yeah,
we get down here and everything's great and

503
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:21.400
we have the house belt and uh. One day, while in the process

504
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:23.199
of the house being built, the
builder called me and he said we we

505
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:30.119
might have a problem. And I
said, oh, what's the problem And

506
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:36.800
he said, well, in the
back bedroom downstairs, there seems to be

507
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:40.159
a smell. And I'm like,
like, what kind of smell? And

508
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:45.920
he's like, I'm thinking that maybe
something got between the walls and died,

509
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:52.480
and I'm thinking's like and he's hesitant
to tell me, and I'm like,

510
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:53.880
no, what do you mean And
he's like, like maybe a mouse or

511
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:59.760
something, and I'm like, well, okay, okay, what this point,

512
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.440
you know, it was just the
sub floor. They weren't locking the

513
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:06.119
doors or anything. It was just
you know, old doors they used for

514
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:08.960
the entrances until they got our real
doors but on, but they weren't even

515
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:13.239
locking those, so you know,
people could come in and out. But

516
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:19.440
we live way out, like pretty
far out to where we don't have a

517
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:23.079
whole ton of neighbors, and everybody
around here owns like twenty acres, forty

518
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:28.800
acres. You know, it's it's
really out here. So he says to

519
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.000
me, well, we're not locking
the doors because nobody messes with anything.

520
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:35.880
And I'm like, well okay,
but okay. So three days later he

521
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.760
calls and says that's most completely gone, and I said, so, what

522
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:40.639
do you think it wasn't? He
goes, I don't know that. We

523
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:45.599
kind of thought maybe it was just
in the room. And I said,

524
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:47.400
what do you mean in the room
and he's like, well, just lingering

525
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:52.719
in the room. But it's fine
now. So I'm like, okay,

526
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.480
well that's just weird. Okay.
So then I'm of course my history with

527
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.840
paranormal activity. I'm thinking, what
could this be, you know, please

528
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:06.280
tell me this is not a ghost
of any sort. So, okay,

529
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.079
nothing, that's not a big deal. So we get down here one day,

530
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:15.119
we pull in the drive They were
not here working. We were here

531
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:16.760
to just clean up the yard and
stuff. And I look up in the

532
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:25.159
trees at the end of the driveway
and there happens to be cherry tomatoes shoved

533
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:32.280
up about seven feet tall in the
big pine tree next to the driveway.

534
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.519
And it's weird. I had been
bringing down bird feeders things like that.

535
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.559
I had put a bird feeder in
that tree. Well, the bird feeder

536
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:47.639
is on the ground and devastated,
it's in pieces, no seed left,

537
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.559
nothing, but these cherry tomatoes are
shoved onto these and facts. I took

538
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.679
a picture of it because I thought
that's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

539
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:01.679
And my husband's like, maybe somebody
don't like cherries in their salad or cherry

540
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:05.000
tomatoes in their sun. And I'm
like, and they climbed up in that

541
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:10.239
tree and shoved them onto branch it. There's like three of them, three

542
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:14.960
or four of them up there.
Okay, So I start to do research,

543
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.119
like, okay, well, is
there birds in southern Indiana that will

544
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:21.679
like dry the seeds out and come
back? And oh, you know,

545
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.559
I'm just I'm really just trying to
figure out what's going on. Okay,

546
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:29.599
So I don't find anything. I
asked the neighbor, hang, are you

547
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:31.760
going tomatoes this year? The one
the people that live across the road,

548
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:37.719
and he says no. I said, okay, so the people who live

549
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.800
behind us, we can only see
their property in the winter. We can

550
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.719
only see their house in the winter. In the summer, it's like nobody

551
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:51.079
lives back there. Okay. So
I happened to see them and I said,

552
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.639
are you growing a garden? They're
like no, Okay, that's the

553
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:59.840
only people that are really close to
us. So that explanation went out the

554
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:04.000
window. Okay, So I moved
the bird feeder, and you know,

555
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:09.159
we go about our business and the
house is still being built and it finally

556
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:15.800
gets done. So we're down here
and we're getting our stuff moved. And

557
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:20.760
we had run into U Haul to
get the last of our things, you

558
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.800
know, the outdoor furniture, the
grill, you know, things like that.

559
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:28.519
So we had gotten down here and
we were here longer than we thought

560
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:34.440
we would be. Well, you
know, it's dark, and people who

561
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:38.480
don't live in the country don't understand
dark. But it's like ten kinds of

562
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:43.280
dark. You know, if there's
no moon, you're good luck, you're

563
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:47.360
not. You can't see anything.
Soon we start to leave, my husband

564
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:51.119
says he's going to go ahead and
go, and he goes in front of

565
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:55.159
me with you haul, and I'm
about maybe five minutes behind him. Okay,

566
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:04.280
So I'm down this country road and
I'm next to an area where there's

567
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:07.599
a creek on the left side of
the road. Well, this creek is

568
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:14.360
when I say, way down into
the creek bed, I mean, the

569
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:21.840
sides are like six feet tall.
Okay. So I'm kind of going slow

570
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.239
because I'm not used to this road
at all, and I'm kind of I'm

571
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:30.039
definitely not going to speed limit.
I may have been going twenty five thirty

572
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:36.400
maybe, and all of a sudden
I had my window down about halfway and

573
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:42.880
all of a sudden, all of
a sudden, something roars the only may

574
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:51.920
I can describe it, roars,
blows huffs in my window behind me.

575
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:57.079
So imagine the bar, you know, between the front doors and the back

576
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.960
doors. It had to have been
right there. Now, ken in mind,

577
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:07.360
I saw nothing as I was coming
around the bend of this road down

578
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:13.679
next to this creek. I saw
nothing. But when this thing roared in

579
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:19.880
my window, it roared. It
was so loud and there was so much

580
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.840
air. They came into the car
that it blew my hair and it made

581
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:31.400
my hair wet, and I screamed. I was like, so they didn't

582
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:35.320
thinking, Okay, don't crash.
So I'm trying not to veer off there

583
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:39.760
because my reaction was to turn the
wheel to the right. So I'm trying

584
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:45.719
not to over you know, oversteer, and I'm trying to roll my window

585
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:47.679
up at the same time because that's
gonna save me. I don't know.

586
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:51.639
I don't know what I was thinking, but in my mind I thought,

587
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:57.400
what the frick was there? Because
I can't at that point, I'm like,

588
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:01.719
look, you know, looks that
a bit? What that made my

589
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:09.239
hair wet, like spit wet and
blew my hair like that? I just

590
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:14.079
don't know, And because at first
I would. It was one of those

591
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:17.159
things that literally I was so shocked
the first say, I don't even remember

592
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:21.360
driving like for a while, do
you know what I mean, I just

593
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:29.119
because my brain was so busy trying
to think. I don't know. Yeah,

594
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.880
but it's not human mind. I
was raised more in the country.

595
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:39.360
My parents were from the country.
I was raised around all kinds of being

596
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:45.360
outside. Okay, So the whole
time, you know, your brain's going

597
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:49.280
through like computer open tabs, this, what is this? Was it?

598
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:51.360
This? Was it? A bird? Was it a deer? Was it?

599
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.079
You know? Because nothing, I
mean, the war deafened me.

600
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:04.840
And to spit in my hair.
I just thought to myself, what so,

601
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:08.519
you know, I'm in moving and
you know, when you move,

602
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:13.159
it's the most exhausting thing. I
don't know. And we had been in

603
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:16.599
house for all those years, you
know, so we had had an auction,

604
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.920
we were downsizing. You know.
I was just like really whooped,

605
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:30.760
but I wasn't whooped enough to imagine
spit in my hair. So I mean,

606
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:36.679
nothing logically, I mean, in
my brain, nothing logically came to

607
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:42.119
mind. But then, you know, I was raised in the era of

608
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:46.079
in search of you know, I
had always that had always been a complete

609
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:51.719
possibility to me. Like if you
were born before nineteen ninety and you have

610
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:57.840
spent more than thirty minutes in a
dark wooded area at night time. Bigfoot

611
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.679
has crossed your mind. I don't
care who you are, Yes, yes,

612
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.519
right right. You can say that
it didn't put it, but you

613
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.440
know so, I mean, but
see of all, okay, And now

614
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:13.199
that this has happened, and I've
listened to TV shows and red books,

615
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:17.079
you know, I've never had anybody
say I saw nothing, because I mean

616
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:21.239
when it happened, I looked in
my rear view and I looked in the

617
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.800
side mirror and there was nothing.
But I mean, it's pitch black,

618
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:30.159
so I mean I wasn't slamon on
my brakes because I was getting the heck

619
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:32.519
out, you know what I mean. I wasn't like I wasn't someone down

620
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:37.000
on. I was just making sure
I didn't drive off the road. But

621
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:43.039
I mean, I've never heard anybody
say they saw nothing. But then it

622
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:47.599
was for screaming in my car window, sewing my mind. I think,

623
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:53.800
did I almost hit it? Did
I make it mad because I ran over

624
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:58.480
its foot? I don't know,
I don't know, but I saw nothing.

625
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:00.400
I saw nothing. Now, I
didn't look in the other mirror,

626
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.840
though I didn't look at my passioner
mirror and I obviously didn't turn the look

627
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.519
turn around the work. That would
have been one of those situations where I

628
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.239
don't know what that was and I
don't want to know what that was,

629
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:15.599
right, right, But this guess
if you drew a straight line from my

630
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.800
house to there, it's about three
miles, so it's not overly far,

631
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:27.079
it's not really far, so we
get moved in. What's odd? And

632
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:37.360
I will say this referring back to
the it felt empty here, like like

633
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:45.679
almost felt weirdly empty, like weirdly
lonely like because there was nothing here.

634
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:53.119
It was almost profound how obvious it
was that there was nothing here in this

635
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:59.719
house, in this space. And
it was almost like a confirmation to me

636
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:07.079
that the other place was so busy
because this place was so inside not it

637
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:08.599
wasn't you know what I mean?
It all is fine, Yeah, I

638
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:15.599
know exactly. I'm I'm having a
moment because uh yeah, that's something I've

639
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:21.840
spent a little bit of time thinking
about. People don't realize the energy that

640
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.400
houses have, right, And then
it was there all the time, Yeah,

641
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:30.159
because I remember getting here and getting
everything done and sitting at the table

642
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:37.920
and thinking it's weird, it's and
it's and that's a odd thing to say,

643
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:44.280
but it's weird to be in a
space where there's literally nothing else.

644
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:47.039
But then at that moment, I
thought, well, I guess this aging

645
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:50.519
worked because I feel nothing, you
know what I mean. I don't feel

646
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:52.360
like there's someone in this room with
me. I don't look like there's someone

647
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:59.119
upstairs. I just feel like it's
me. And it was hard to digest

648
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:00.760
for a little while. It was
honestly odd, but I had to get

649
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:07.360
used to it. I yeah,
I'd imagine, yes, yes, yes,

650
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:12.800
But anyway back to here. So
we're at the new place and the

651
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:16.599
war has happened, and I have
told my husband and we're back at square

652
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:22.360
one because nothing has happened to him. Okay, he's a believer once it

653
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.840
happened to him, and I get
that. I totally get that, super

654
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:32.079
supportive, awesome husband won't believe unless
it happens to that. So the next

655
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:37.719
thing that happens was I decide,
I noticed that there's bluebirds. So I'm

656
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:40.840
thinking, okay, do some research
what a bluebird's eat. I had already

657
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:45.239
had. I had big bird feeders
outside and some in the front in the

658
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:49.000
pine trees. But I thought well, bluebirds will only eat after I did

659
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:53.039
my research, they'll only eat the
sueycakes that are munworms. So I get

660
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:59.800
a new big shepherd took. And
by this time I had learned about raccoons

661
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:05.119
and how raccoons will literally mess with
everything you own. Okay, so I

662
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:09.159
took. Now I know, and
I'm finding the raccoons and this giant metal

663
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:14.360
shepherd took. I take this suitcake
and I literally zip tie it to the

664
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:17.760
pole, three big zip ties.
This raccoon is not going to take off

665
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:24.360
with this. He's not having this
one. So put it out so excited.

666
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:29.760
The next day, I'm just gonna
wait and see what happens. And

667
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.719
the next morning, my husband leaves
early for work and I get up and

668
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:37.679
make my coffee and sit down and
think, okay for the blue bird stick

669
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:43.440
up? Yeah, And I look
out the window and it's gone. And

670
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:47.880
I need the pole, the suit
cake, the suitcake feeder, the whole

671
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:58.840
thing just gone gone. So I
call my husband and I said, hey,

672
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:00.119
what did you do with that bird
we'll put out yesterday? And he

673
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:04.000
goes, what do you mean?
And I said, the suycake, you

674
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:06.280
know, feeder thing, and he
goes, well, the Raccons probably took

675
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:08.960
it. I said, the whole
pole, and he goes, what do

676
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:12.679
you mean the whole pole? And
I said, the entire thing is missing,

677
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.440
the pole, the sueycake, seweer
feeder, the zip ties, it's

678
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:22.840
all gone. And he's like,
well, babe, I don't know.

679
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:29.239
And I'm like, well, okay, and you know the natural reaction would

680
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:34.440
be someone took it. Okay,
well maybe ten feet from it is the

681
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:38.559
bigger, you know, more metal. You know, someone was here to

682
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:44.199
steal the metal, they would have
taken the one that was like five paces

683
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:45.519
away from it, that has even
more metal than the one that they took.

684
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.159
So that didn't you know, that
explanation did not drive. Okay.

685
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:52.840
Plus, it's like I said,
we live out in the middle of nowhere

686
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.039
and when it's dark and dark,
so you know, I don't see how

687
00:54:55.039 --> 00:55:00.599
anybody would have even possibly even seen
it from the road. Yeah, scrap

688
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:07.000
metal thieves at night, Yeah they're
not doing that. And your my brain

689
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.320
goes to living in town. But
that's what you do. You try to

690
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:14.960
solve the puzzle. Right, So
I get on the internet and I start

691
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:21.400
looking and every time I look,
what what steal a bird? Feeder and

692
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:30.119
the pole bear bear bear bear.
There's no there's no other suggestion, nothing,

693
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:34.800
there's nothing, and I'm like,
what is okay? We do not

694
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:43.119
have bears, So I'm really not
sure what to think about this, you

695
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:47.760
know, so I perceive the look. I mean, I'm walking every day

696
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:53.079
because now I'm there's part of me
that's kind of mad, something like I

697
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:57.039
really like that, you know,
really that was that was a nice shepard

698
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.760
suck. You know, I'm gonna
find it. So in mind, I'm

699
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:02.599
thinking, well, I'm just gonna
find it. It's gonna be you know,

700
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:07.320
drugs somewhere. No, it's heavy. I mean it's heavy, so

701
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:10.519
you know, is there going to
be a giant raccoon hooked to it?

702
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:15.159
I don't know, but I'm looking. So I keep looking and I keep

703
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:19.960
looking. It has never been found, never found it. Two years,

704
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:27.320
I've never found it. So mean, so that happens. Then we I

705
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.360
have an outdoor cat. His name
is Butters. And one night I go

706
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:36.920
out front of feed Butters and Butters
is out by the road and he's staring

707
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:40.639
at something, and I'm thinking,
okay, so I start yelling Butters,

708
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:45.639
Butters, and he's not looking.
Now This cat is loyal to me,

709
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:50.480
almost like a dog. He's not
your typical cat. He's with me all

710
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:55.360
the time. Okay. So I
am yelling at this cat and he's ignoring

711
00:56:55.480 --> 00:57:01.800
me. He's just like in a
trance. So he's looking at something beyond

712
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:07.440
the pine trees. It's dark outside. I see nothing. Okay. So

713
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:12.320
my husband steps out and he says, what's wrong? And I said,

714
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:16.559
something's wrong with Butters? And he
said, did you call him? And

715
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:19.239
I'm like, yeah, I called
him. He's just sitting there and you

716
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:22.599
know, like he doesn't hear me. Okay, So I said, I'm

717
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:27.000
gonna go get him. Well,
I have a stick next to the front

718
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:31.719
door that's like I take when I
take walks and stuff. And so I'm

719
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:35.360
like, grab the stick, and
my husband goes where you're going, I'm

720
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:38.639
like to get Butters. So I
walk out there to get him, and

721
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:44.400
I'm like, Butters, Butters,
and I'm thinking, is he having a

722
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:46.559
cat stroke or something. He's not
looking at me, and I can't figure

723
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:52.159
out why he's not looking. He's
like, froze it. He's not even

724
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:59.679
moving, He's not he's not flinching. And I'm looking at him and I'm

725
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:07.639
like Butters, and the last time
I said Butters, I hear this growl

726
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:15.800
it and it starts to get louder
and it starts to like vibrate my insides

727
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:22.159
and I'm kind of paralyzed for a
minute. And then I'm thinking, I

728
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:25.880
need to move, I need to
go, I need to move. And

729
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:31.360
from the point I'm hearing what's happening, that's when I asking me what's happening,

730
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:36.559
and I'm thinking, should I breach
down and pick up the cat?

731
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:40.239
And I decided to touch him with
that stick and it was like when I

732
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:46.480
touched him with that stick, I
like woke him up from whatever I don't

733
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:51.800
know trance he was in. I'm
not really sure, but when I touched

734
00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:55.000
him, the growl got even louder. And I'm still now I'm looking and

735
00:58:55.119 --> 00:59:00.559
I see nothing. I am saying
absolutely nothing, And about that time,

736
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:06.440
I turn and I run, and
Butters is running with me because now he's

737
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:09.719
like not in his strands anymore,
and my husband yelling what's happening, And

738
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:15.400
I'm like what, So I just
literally run straight into the house and I

739
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:16.199
shut the door, and he's like, what happened? And I said,

740
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:23.000
I don't I'm really not sure,
but I said something was growling so low

741
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:29.639
and so deep that it was making
my insides move. And he said,

742
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:32.559
well, what wasn't I was like, I didn't see anything. I couldn't

743
00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:38.719
see anything in the dark. So
he's like, well, bab and I'm

744
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:40.440
like, he said, well,
what kind of animals do you think it

745
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:44.239
was? And I said, I'm
not sure it was an animal, and

746
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:45.719
he was just looking at me like
what do you mean you don't think it

747
00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:49.559
was an animal? And I said, I don't know. I just don't

748
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:53.519
know. So, you know,
at this point, I'm still like,

749
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:58.639
is this what is happened? You
know, because you're I'm still trying to

750
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:04.199
grass all these things, you know, like what is the explanation? Where

751
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.599
is the dot to dot that connects
all these things? You know? So

752
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:12.519
it was just like constant little odd
things. I was feeding the birds up

753
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:20.559
front, and I have this like
it's an old like antique. It used

754
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:22.760
to be a bird bath, but
it doesn't hold water anymore, so I

755
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.239
use it for like a platform bird
feeder. Okay, it's kind of like

756
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:30.239
a it's a bowl in the middle. And what I would do is it

757
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.199
had I had made drain holes,
but I would put rocks over it to

758
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:37.039
the seed wouldn't fall down in the
holes. One day I got out there

759
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:40.840
and I thought, well, the
rocks are all moved. That's weird.

760
01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:46.039
So I go out and i'd go
to pick up this top rock and a

761
01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:52.760
bird flies out of it. What
a bird? So what had happened was

762
01:00:53.239 --> 01:01:01.280
there was a cavity like a little
cave made out of rocks that had been

763
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:05.480
moved, you know, they had
been moved from you know, spread around

764
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:09.679
in this feeder to push to one
side to When I went to pick up

765
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:14.840
the top rock to redistribute the rocks, a bird flew out of it,

766
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:22.480
and it startled me so bad that
I squealed, and I thought, Okay,

767
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:25.440
that's odd. Why was there a
bird under there? Like how could

768
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:31.920
bird have gotten under there? But
when I looked up, the bird feeder

769
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:40.400
was completely empty. And that had
happened like overnight, Like there was rocks

770
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:47.320
taken and a bird was encased in
this rock. Yes, yes, inside

771
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:51.519
these rocks. Okay, So I
thought, this is the freakiest thing.

772
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:53.559
But it had to be a fluke. And I don't know how that's in

773
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:57.320
my mind. I don't know how
I justified that. I don't know how

774
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:01.320
that would have occurred. But not
only did it happen that time, it

775
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:06.039
happened one more time, and it
happened again when the bird feeder had had

776
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:15.639
been emptied overnight and the rocks were
on top of this bird. Now both

777
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:20.760
times they were like small sparrows.
Okay, So I started to do research.

778
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:27.039
Is there any Midwestern birds that will
roost in rocks? No? My

779
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:31.159
research over and over and over.
No shore birds, water birds, No,

780
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:39.519
Midwestern birds do not roost under rocks. See what I mean? It

781
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:45.320
just like it was things that people
had not unless it's people have never talked

782
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:49.000
about it because they thought I was
you know, they think they're crazy too.

783
01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:55.199
I'm thinking, how so in my
mind, bird the bird, I

784
01:02:55.320 --> 01:03:00.199
have a think about versus the bird
was the birds were like physically trapped yeh

785
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:10.000
huh until you released them in stacks
of rocks. I mean, who who

786
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:15.159
could do that? What? What
could do that? Okay? So my

787
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:20.199
thought process is what could do that? Something that stuns its prey? Okay?

788
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:23.599
Okay, yeah, okay. And
my second thought process is, okay,

789
01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:29.599
so the the tomatoes in the tree, the bird feed was gone,

790
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:37.079
Okay, the bird seed is gone
and the bird gets left. Okay,

791
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:44.079
so are they thinking that I just
like should be exchange. It's like the

792
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:47.039
sign exchange. It's just like if
I'm going to take your bird seed,

793
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:50.679
I'm going to give you a bird. I don't understand. I don't know

794
01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:58.159
unless Butters has learned how to stack
rocks. I want to see it.

795
01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:00.239
I want to be able to see
it then. But see at that point,

796
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:06.159
I'm like, is this like is
this Maybe it's gonna sound crazy,

797
01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:12.320
but in my mind thing is this
like paranormal activity. That's what I've tried

798
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:18.880
to explain to people is there's so
many cases where people think that their property

799
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:24.519
is haunted because of the things that
happen. Right. I mean, I

800
01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:30.239
think that I'm a pretty logical person
and I will never take anything for face

801
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:34.880
value without trying to debunk or figure
it out or whatever I have to do.

802
01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:38.400
But I'm never going to be like, I know what that is,

803
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:42.039
because the universe is too big for
me to go I know what that is.

804
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:45.679
And you sent me a picture of
the tomatoes. They are onto the

805
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:49.400
branches. They're not just laying in
the fork of a tree. No,

806
01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:53.119
no, no, no, no, no, no, they're skewered on

807
01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:57.320
there like it's so intentional and not
even at the tip of the branch.

808
01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:00.280
They're pushed down on there. No, yes they are, And I mean

809
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.880
I don't I just have to take
your word for it. You know,

810
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:05.960
you were talking about how high up
in the tree this was, but the

811
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:13.039
photograph is from a vantage point.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And at

812
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.079
that point, I'm not thinking I
should take a picture of this from every

813
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:18.239
perspective because I wasn't looking at it
because at that point I'm still like,

814
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:24.360
what is happening. There's like I'm
gonna need all this right right, And

815
01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:26.519
I know I haven't lived down in
the country for a while, but is

816
01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:30.719
this normal? No, tomatoes and
trees are not normal, I promise.

817
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:36.079
But I used to have a really
big sycamore tree in my backyard that there

818
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:42.159
was my grandparents had. Half the
yard was a garden, okay, like

819
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:45.519
a huge garden, because there are
country folks that moved to the city,

820
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:51.000
like the Beverly Hillbilly and so like
my grandpa fought with squirrels every year about

821
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:55.239
the tomatoes. And I have never
seen a tomato and in a tree,

822
01:05:56.000 --> 01:06:00.280
just saying no, I mean it
was so obvious. It was right.

823
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.519
There's like, I don't know,
twenty some pine trees in the front yard

824
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:08.559
and some of them are giant,
and it was the one right at the

825
01:06:08.599 --> 01:06:15.760
beginning of the driveway where the bird
feeder was. Yes, So the reason

826
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:18.679
I struggle with all this, and
I know that everybody who has experiences by

827
01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:24.599
no means reports them, but I
feel like the things that have happened to

828
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:30.199
us have not been the typical at
all. Like I've never heard anybody have

829
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:33.400
like roared in the car window,
or the tomatoes in the tree or bird

830
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:42.159
trapped. It's never anything that's like
normal, if that's in the parameter of

831
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:46.000
normal, you know. But so
I've heard at least one story where somebody

832
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:53.880
heard something something assumed to be a
bigfoot scream or roar as they were driving

833
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:58.880
down the road, not in the
window to the point of where actually wet

834
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:03.480
the back of their hair any thing. But you have heard of someone having

835
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:08.679
that experience of a bigfoot yelling at
a car as it drove by, basically

836
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:13.400
gotcha. And I've heard of sticks
being thrown at cars as they drive by.

837
01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:17.599
I've actually seen the damage of the
tree limb that was thrown at a

838
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:23.440
car before. Oh wow, okay, tomatoes and tree never heard it,

839
01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:28.440
uh words, under rocks, under
rocks, never heard it. No,

840
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:33.679
but the connection to the bird seed
is very interesting. Yeah, that it's

841
01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:43.760
almost always involved with the birds.
Yeah, I don't know. So the

842
01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:50.519
one night my cat, Butters,
we have a he's a one person kind

843
01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:58.840
of cat. He was he was
a street cat who ended up at our

844
01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:01.320
house and I ended up taking care
of him, and he he likes my

845
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:06.840
husband, but he just like he
doesn't love my husband. So my husband

846
01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:13.039
always sees that Butters only loves me. And when we are outside and Butters

847
01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:15.479
is around us, Butters will kind
of walk way around him and come over

848
01:08:15.560 --> 01:08:20.000
to me, and my husband will
go Butters like, Butters, why don't

849
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:27.039
you like me? You know?
So one night I'm outside and I'm feeding

850
01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:31.520
Butters, and I go to the
other end of the porch and I hear,

851
01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:40.640
in a really loud, really deep
voice, Blotters, And I'm thinking,

852
01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:43.720
all funny, I cannot believe he
startled me like that, you know,

853
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:46.840
while I was out of here being
the cat. And I walked to

854
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:49.920
the door and I look in the
window of the door and he's sitting at

855
01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:55.239
the kitchen table. So basically I
turn around, look at butters, and

856
01:08:55.279 --> 01:09:00.159
butters its frozen in place, like
did you hear that? So when I

857
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:03.399
opened the door and I said,
did you just say butters? And he

858
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:10.039
said no. And I said,
okay, Siria, you know you're messing

859
01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:12.640
with me and he said, no, Babe, I didn't. I didn't.

860
01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:16.920
I wouldn't do that to you in
the darkens Carrea. So now I'm

861
01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:21.319
thinking, okay, could be paranormal
end but it was. It was like

862
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:30.359
it mimicked my husband doing that.
Yeah. Yeah, So that's when I

863
01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:33.279
thought, Okay, maybe this isn't. I don't know, but you know,

864
01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:38.239
I'm still I'm still not saying I'm
not saying what it is. You

865
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:40.319
know, I'm not saying it's a
big fight. I'm not saying it's ghost.

866
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:45.520
I'm just saying that freaked me out. It really like chilled me to

867
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:49.680
my core because I thought that was
really close and I don't understand what exactly

868
01:09:49.760 --> 01:10:00.319
that was, but I know it
said butters. So okay, So then

869
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:05.159
we get to the point where I'm
questioning, you know, everything, I'm

870
01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:09.399
here, my husband's at work,
a lot and a lot of times if

871
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:16.159
I hear something, I only hear
it you know me, or you know

872
01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:26.680
I'm here by myself. Well,
this last January, I was outside taking

873
01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:30.000
walk, Butters with me, always
with me, and we get down to

874
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:34.119
the woodline where I can see the
neighbor's house behind us. You know,

875
01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:39.600
I've got a clear shot because no
leaves in sight. And it was a

876
01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:41.720
warm day, and I thought,
well, I'll get out and take a

877
01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:47.159
walk. Two huge, I mean
two really loud wood knocks like startled me

878
01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:51.479
to the point where I jumped,
like, here in my nobody's home.

879
01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:57.079
It's just me. The neighbors are
not home. But it was too I

880
01:10:57.159 --> 01:11:00.960
guess what they call power knox.
And it was was loud, like close

881
01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:05.279
enough to where I think I could
have pinpointed where it was on the other

882
01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:11.520
side going up the hill from my
neighbor's house. So right about the time

883
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:14.399
that I start to think, okay, I should probably just turn around and

884
01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:20.880
start walking, I get this whiff
of the smell and it was really strong,

885
01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:27.000
I mean just really really like oh
that steaks, you know. And

886
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:30.439
about the time then I smell it, I look down at Butters and he

887
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:33.800
has gotten between me and the woods. And he starts to like make this

888
01:11:34.039 --> 01:11:39.840
weird cat growl like this, you
know, like when they're about to find

889
01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:44.960
another cat growl. And I've never
heard him do that before, so he

890
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:48.520
definitely knew that something was up,
because when that smell hit me, he

891
01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:55.359
definitely was like, well, that's
that's strange. And then I just proceeded

892
01:11:55.399 --> 01:11:58.279
to turn around and come back to
the house because I thought, I don't

893
01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:00.800
know that I need to be standing
out, and since I'm home by myself,

894
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:03.600
you know, I don't think I
need to be on here. But

895
01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:08.840
the only time I've ever seen anything, I have seen it. I can

896
01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:15.840
say that for I'm ninety eight point
nine nine versut a positive that what I

897
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:29.239
saw was a big foot, and
it was last spring. It was probably,

898
01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:31.840
if not a full moon, close
to full moon now, it was

899
01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:36.039
early enough spring to like I said, I can see the neighbor's house and

900
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:44.600
it's about now there's a ravine between
us, but straight shop looking at their

901
01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:47.199
house, it's about i'd say one
hundred and ten yards one hundred and twenty

902
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:55.760
yards tops. They have a barn, but it's like their house, and

903
01:12:55.840 --> 01:13:00.640
then a mercury vapor light and then
their bar Okay. So I had gone

904
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:05.760
upstairs to get ready for bed,
and I was what I do, and

905
01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:09.319
I think, because I live here, I just want to see what's outside,

906
01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:13.039
what kind of wildlife fox, you
know, deer or whatever. And

907
01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:15.319
when the moon is bright, you
can really see, you know, what's

908
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:19.319
out there. And I looked out
the window and I had the light off

909
01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:23.279
in the house, in the room, because I thought, well, if

910
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:25.960
I leave the light off in the
room, I can see better. It

911
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:30.439
doesn't interfere with me being able to
see what's outside. And all of a

912
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:41.439
sudden, the under this mercury vapor
light, I saw a humongous shape.

913
01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:49.399
And when I say humongous shape,
I the top of its head was like

914
01:13:50.720 --> 01:14:00.600
almost to where their gutter on their
eve hung down. So in my mind

915
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:06.800
I'm thinking, well, who is
that? I mean, because I've seen

916
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:11.880
them out in their yard, you
know, when they're out, and in

917
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:15.600
my mind, I'm thinking they're just
not that big a people, you know.

918
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:21.640
So my brain is like looking at
this giant shape and trying to figure

919
01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:27.039
out if it's some kind of shadow, Like the mercury vapor light is making

920
01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:31.199
someone's shadow look too big, you
know, and it's kind of standing still,

921
01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:34.520
and I'm thinking, Okay, well, maybe someone's on the other side

922
01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:39.479
of it. It's casting a weird
shadow. So I keep watching it,

923
01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:43.399
and I've probably only watched it for
like like one one thousand, two,

924
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:45.840
one thousand and three, one thousand, and then all of a sudden,

925
01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:53.880
it turns and begins to run into
the woods. As I'm staring at him,

926
01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:59.359
like who is that? Because your
brain automatically goes to who is that?

927
01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:01.720
Not? And then I'm thinking,
is that someone peeping in their windows?

928
01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:05.960
You know what I mean? So
as I'm thinking in my brain who

929
01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:13.239
is that, I realize that this
person or what I initially think, well,

930
01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:16.840
who is this person is running at
full speed and does not have a

931
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:23.800
flashlight and is covering because literally,
I would say, ten feet from their

932
01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:28.079
house the woods the woods start,
or at least the rough ground where the

933
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:33.159
woods you know are right there,
starts. So this person, I mean,

934
01:15:33.279 --> 01:15:36.560
I think if I ran that fast
in the woods in the dark,

935
01:15:36.640 --> 01:15:40.800
even if the moon was out,
I would probably hit a tree, or

936
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:45.840
they would run into something, or
they would fall. But this person not

937
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:50.600
a person now I know it wasn't
a person is running at full speed,

938
01:15:50.960 --> 01:16:00.479
but literally it covers this distance where
I can see it in four seconds,

939
01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:11.079
and I'm just dumbfounded, and I'm
like, well, it didn't see me,

940
01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:17.439
did it? Because I think that, But but I'm thinking, oh

941
01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:23.119
my gosh, I saw it,
And that's when it clicks in my head.

942
01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:30.560
I saw it. I saw it. And then the next conundrum that

943
01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:36.560
came to my brain was, I
can't tell them they probably already know.

944
01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:45.920
I know what I don't I I
don't know. I would I would lean

945
01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:51.640
on the side of if they do, they're blissfully unaware and that and and

946
01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:56.880
that they're making excuses like I did
at the house. Yeah, you know

947
01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:00.319
what I mean, like I did
all the years when I was trying to

948
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:06.239
make sure I didn't seem crazy because
they have never said anything. Like at

949
01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:10.560
one point my husband made a little
joke in front of them and they they

950
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:14.159
were not going there, and they
were like, oh yeah really, And

951
01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:17.239
I thought, Okay, that's it. They don't know or they don't want

952
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:23.439
to know, or are they just
if they ignore it they don't have to

953
01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:30.119
believe. Does that make sense?
Yeah? I mean, because I've played

954
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:33.399
out that scenario in my head a
few times talking to people, and you

955
01:17:33.479 --> 01:17:40.960
know, as a former investigator into
this phenomenon. There's a difference between like

956
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:46.000
going out and you know, researching
a property or something and then loading up

957
01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:50.359
in the car and going home.
But if you lived at the location where

958
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:54.439
these things are like coming up and
messing around like that would be a lot

959
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:58.520
to deal with. Yeah, I'm
not sure how I would handle it personally.

960
01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:03.520
For the fact I thought, is
it looking was it looking in the

961
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:09.439
windows? Does it look at the
windows here? I mean probably so not

962
01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:14.600
to not to do that, but
I mean, right, that's right.

963
01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:20.399
I mean it's interesting that as soon
as you saw it, your brain went

964
01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:28.960
to who and not what? Right, because I think that's that whole living

965
01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:34.479
in town mentality because I was raised
in the country and then all those years

966
01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:39.960
of living in town and literally if
you saw someone in town looking in someone

967
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:43.760
window, in someone's window, it's
a duke or it's a person, Yeah,

968
01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:50.119
you didn't think that's not a person. So that immediately I was like,

969
01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:55.000
that doesn't look like the shape of
the neighbor. Do you know what

970
01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:58.000
I mean? Is there? Do
they have company? Why? You know?

971
01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:01.199
Because your brain and it's so funny
and for seconds, how many questions

972
01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:05.000
you can ask your own self,
not just how many questions you can ask

973
01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:09.640
yourself, but also how many questions
you can answer in that four seconds of

974
01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:14.760
time. Right, For instance,
it's a logical answer that's not my neighbor.

975
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:19.119
That is much too big to be
my neighbor. Right, right,

976
01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:27.880
which direction did it run in?
Like? What in that? Now there's

977
01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:31.199
one house in the direction that's headed
in, but those people own like thirty

978
01:19:31.279 --> 01:19:36.680
acres. So literally, I mean
there's houses out here dotted, but there's

979
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:44.520
so much play, there's so many
places that it could be that nobody would

980
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:48.760
even know. I mean you said
that there's a ravine between the properties,

981
01:19:49.119 --> 01:19:54.760
yes, and like I mean where
I come from. They like to use

982
01:19:54.920 --> 01:20:00.159
geographical features like that to sneak around
people's properties, right, and even at

983
01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:05.840
the back of our property that where
that goes into that ravine. I feel

984
01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:13.760
like it wouldn't be that hard to
observe any of us doing anything that we're

985
01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:18.640
doing if it's on its belly and
it's coming up that ravine, do you

986
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:21.479
know what I mean? It wouldn't
be that hard to keep an eye on

987
01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:28.840
anything or what people are doing just
from that perspective. So I assume after

988
01:20:28.960 --> 01:20:31.960
this event happened. You told your
husband yes, and what was his reaction.

989
01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:42.600
I believe you saw what you saw, like I said, super supportive.

990
01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:47.920
But it's gonna something's gonna have to
happen. Yes, And then you

991
01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:54.920
know two other three other times we've
been gifted with odd things, and one

992
01:20:55.199 --> 01:21:02.119
was just this week. Really yeah, first thing that we got gifted was

993
01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:08.239
in the back there's an old,
old barn and I decided to leave it

994
01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:12.560
and kind of put an area by
it where we had the fire pit and

995
01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:15.439
things like that. Well, they
put you know, timbers around, you

996
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:18.159
know, and they put some gravel
down and things like that. Well,

997
01:21:18.199 --> 01:21:26.239
the first thing that we were gifted
was a really it's like a tiny,

998
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:30.640
it's like as big as my thumb
doll. And it was laying on the

999
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:38.399
landscape timbers last summer after the guys
finished that work. A doll. A

1000
01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:41.479
doll. Now you're talking a doll
that looks like it's been in the woods

1001
01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:44.239
for like I don't know how long. It's got like a lot of hair,

1002
01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:47.239
but it was just like covered in
mud. So I asked when the

1003
01:21:47.279 --> 01:21:50.239
guys came back to do some more
work, I said, hey, did

1004
01:21:50.359 --> 01:21:55.319
you find the doll in the yard
and put it and the guy was like

1005
01:21:56.319 --> 01:22:00.279
no. I was like, okay, checking because it was laying back there,

1006
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:03.720
and he goes, no, I
don't remember seeing any doll when we

1007
01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:09.800
were finishing up your work back there. Okay, So I saved the doll.

1008
01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:16.680
And then fast forward, I'm taking
a walk back there and I find

1009
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:21.439
a putty knife and it's the kind
then has a little little groove cut out

1010
01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:27.279
of the side, and I bring
it up front and my husband comes home

1011
01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:29.319
and I said, did you lose
a putty knife? And he goes,

1012
01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:32.239
no, I don't have one like
that. And I said really, and

1013
01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:35.119
he said yeah, where did you
find it? And I said back there

1014
01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:41.520
buying a barn and he said,
no, that's not mine. I have

1015
01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:44.880
never seen that one before. He
said, do you think the guy has

1016
01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:46.039
left it? And I'm like,
well, they didn't do anything with putty,

1017
01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:48.920
so I'm not really thinking that they
would have. But of course when

1018
01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:53.560
they came back, I said,
I have you guys the shores and he

1019
01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:58.880
was like, no, it doesn't
belong to us. So just this week

1020
01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:02.640
I was back there in the same
area, you know, by the fire

1021
01:23:02.720 --> 01:23:09.399
pits, and we haven't even had
a fire it's been so the weather's been

1022
01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:12.159
so weird and it's been so rainy. We haven't had a fire pit or

1023
01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:18.880
anything yet the share and I looked
down and there's a tiny spoon, so

1024
01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:25.800
I'm talking like a like a kid's
spoon or on a baby spoon, upside

1025
01:23:25.880 --> 01:23:30.920
down on the gravel. And I
pick it up and look at it and

1026
01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:35.159
it's not familiar. It's not one
of our spoons. I've never seen them

1027
01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:38.920
before. But it's it's bent.
I mean, it looks like it's been

1028
01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:44.000
run over by like sixteen cars,
and it's filthy, and everything that you're

1029
01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:47.880
finding is back in the same general
area. Yes, yes, And now

1030
01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:51.239
because I'm thinking to myself, if
this is if that was a if it's

1031
01:23:51.239 --> 01:23:57.479
a gifting situation, I don't know
why these things have showed up. When

1032
01:23:57.560 --> 01:24:00.079
they've showed up. It wasn't like
they you know, this week, Like

1033
01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:03.199
I said, we haven't had a
fire pit. There's been no like leftover

1034
01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:09.760
or food left or it's not like
there's been anything back there to get the

1035
01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:14.479
gift for, do you know what
I mean? Yeah, So they've just

1036
01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:17.560
shown up kind of for no reason, or at least I'm not understanding the

1037
01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:23.600
reason or I don't know the reason, but that this week, just this

1038
01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:27.159
week is when this book showed up
and I did send a picture of it

1039
01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:30.079
to my husband and I said,
hey, this showed up back here,

1040
01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:42.079
and his response was, that's weird. I often wonder if we're just assuming

1041
01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:46.479
that they're responsible and it's I don't
know a raccoon doing this. In my

1042
01:24:46.720 --> 01:24:51.319
mind, I'm like, okay,
we'll say it's a crow, right,

1043
01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:57.840
Yeah, I know they've been known
to carry stuff around, you know,

1044
01:25:00.319 --> 01:25:02.800
so I think, well, I'm
gonna so I've purposely, you know,

1045
01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:08.039
started after the pudding knife, which
was kind of large for a crow.

1046
01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:11.680
But I thought, well, I'll
feed them in a certain spot. Well,

1047
01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:15.239
from what I've read, if you
get gifted from a crow, they

1048
01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:19.319
will gift you where you feed them, which is not anywhere close to where.

1049
01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:26.000
Yeah, I mean, I'm reluctant
to use the word gifting. Like

1050
01:25:26.319 --> 01:25:30.800
crows will take stuff that they want
and they'll go to a place where they're

1051
01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:35.279
being fed and they'll drop that so
they can eat and fly off without it,

1052
01:25:35.479 --> 01:25:41.239
right right, we have oh I
see accidental gifting. Yeah, I

1053
01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:44.880
mean we feed birds in our front
yard and we have a bird bath in

1054
01:25:44.920 --> 01:25:49.880
our front yard and there's these crows, and there's just one in particular that

1055
01:25:50.720 --> 01:25:55.479
we have a little seashell in the
bird bath. And this crow has been

1056
01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:59.920
trying to get the seashell for a
year and it's just too big formed of

1057
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:02.520
pick. He can't do it,
but he'll get it out of the bird

1058
01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:05.159
bath and into the yard. And
I mean I have stood at the window

1059
01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:10.279
and watched him do this, but
he wants that seashell so bad. My

1060
01:26:10.399 --> 01:26:14.720
point was, I just wonder that, Okay, they're leaving these things sometimes.

1061
01:26:14.760 --> 01:26:18.279
I wonder if they do that just
to watch your reaction when you find

1062
01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:21.800
it, and to see if you'll
notice it and if you'll take it,

1063
01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:27.600
what you'll do. I gotcha,
because even my husband said, well,

1064
01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:31.319
now what are we supposed to do
with the spoon? And I was like,

1065
01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:35.199
I don't know. I mean,
he's like, well, do they

1066
01:26:35.239 --> 01:26:38.520
get offended if you don't take it
in the house, And I'm like,

1067
01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:45.680
I don't. The native belief around
here was if you find something in the

1068
01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:47.119
woods, you leave it in the
woods because it doesn't belong to you,

1069
01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:53.239
and that if you actually take it
in the house, that makes them mad.

1070
01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:57.119
I didn't just so you know,
I haven't taken anything these things in

1071
01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:00.960
the house because you know, I'm
still thinking is some of this one thing

1072
01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:09.760
and some of us because I'm still
I still like, there's so many coincidences

1073
01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:16.279
that I've experienced, and I don't
know. I think, is it some

1074
01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:23.920
things are just because I'm observant,
or is it just the universe says now

1075
01:27:24.039 --> 01:27:30.199
that you know that these things are
possible, anything is possible. Does that

1076
01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:34.800
make sense? Yeah, it makes
perfect sense. So people who had never

1077
01:27:34.960 --> 01:27:41.800
had an like, had never had
an experience, have never maybe made the

1078
01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:49.239
connection us that thought process. I
don't know, but I just think maybe

1079
01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:55.920
some people like my neighbors would be
like, well, okay, there's a

1080
01:27:56.039 --> 01:27:58.239
doll, throw it away. I
don't I don't know. I don't know

1081
01:27:59.119 --> 01:28:02.640
if because the realm of possibility that
I've seen what's possible, that I can

1082
01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:10.119
grasp that the obvious is not the
obvious. Well, for sure. It

1083
01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:15.560
makes you look at the world entirely
different, right right, you ask questions.

1084
01:28:16.119 --> 01:28:21.479
That's I think that's the key,
Yes, because you can't The assumption

1085
01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:28.359
is if it's not obvious to you, then maybe you just don't think in

1086
01:28:28.399 --> 01:28:33.239
the same way that other people do. I mean most people you know would

1087
01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:39.920
for instance, with the bird feeder, the millworm incident where they took the

1088
01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:45.359
entire thing, most people probably aren't
going to research it out and see,

1089
01:28:45.399 --> 01:28:46.920
Okay, well what could have taken
that, what is known to take that?

1090
01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:49.680
What could it possibly be? Like, most people are gonna be like,

1091
01:28:49.800 --> 01:28:56.199
somebody stole my bird feeder. Can
you believe that? And at first

1092
01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:59.439
I thought, well, I'm sure
it's possibility, and I probably in town

1093
01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:02.560
would have assumed someone just took it. Well, sure, because it happened.

1094
01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:06.159
It happened. We lived in town. Things disappeared. Yeah, so

1095
01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:11.600
that would have just been like some
fuh took my bird feeder. We had

1096
01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:16.800
a little naked concrete baby in a
bird bath in the backyard and somebody came

1097
01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:20.960
into our backyard and stole it.
What do you need a little concrete,

1098
01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:27.239
nked baby for. Well, somebody
must have really needed it, really really

1099
01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:31.199
needed it. Yeah. But out
in the country where people will shoot you,

1100
01:29:32.359 --> 01:29:36.479
yeah, where people have dogs that
live outside, they don't really go

1101
01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:42.479
snooping around people's property at night.
No, And everywhere around here that there's

1102
01:29:42.520 --> 01:29:45.800
a gate or a pole or you
know, the universal I've sprayed at purple.

1103
01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:48.439
That that means, yeah, yeah, don't even look this direction,

1104
01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:55.359
yes, yeah, to see the
purple, don't come in Yeah, And

1105
01:29:55.600 --> 01:30:00.880
everybody does that down here, everybody. So no, I I really don't

1106
01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:02.720
think and see, you know,
the going back to the whole builder thing

1107
01:30:03.319 --> 01:30:08.520
when he said it's stuck in here. You know, when we first got

1108
01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:14.840
the property, the barn had the
worst funk, and it's it was like

1109
01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:18.960
a smell I could not even approach. It wasn't like, oh that kind

1110
01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:23.079
of smells like this, or kind
of smells like that, but it had

1111
01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:28.640
the weirdest smell. When the builder
called, I think something died in here,

1112
01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:32.039
I'm like, well, uh,
you know, but anything could have

1113
01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:36.920
come in the house. Sure,
sure, So you know, my thought

1114
01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:41.520
process was okay, well it was
a stinky home with me and I don't

1115
01:30:41.560 --> 01:30:44.600
know what I was thinking. But
when it went away that fast, he

1116
01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:46.720
said, if it was something died, that had died, the smell wouldn't

1117
01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:51.239
have gone away that fast. Well, then after that, something in the

1118
01:30:51.279 --> 01:30:55.000
back of my brain thought, maybe
we should go ahead and put a lock

1119
01:30:55.479 --> 01:30:58.039
on those doors, even if they're
not the doors that are going to be

1120
01:30:58.079 --> 01:31:01.079
on there for good. How about
we just lock them and that way,

1121
01:31:01.560 --> 01:31:03.840
if it is a stinky homeless plant, they're not going to be in here

1122
01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:10.039
when nobody's here. It's just that
mentality of you know, trying to solve

1123
01:31:10.119 --> 01:31:14.600
the problem. You coming from,
you know, more of a city type

1124
01:31:14.640 --> 01:31:18.079
area and everything. That's where your
mind goes right, right, And maybe

1125
01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:25.279
it was just something died. You
know, that's the thing. There's something

1126
01:31:25.319 --> 01:31:28.399
done in the world. You're telling
me because they left it. They left

1127
01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:30.960
it. Yeah, no, I
mean just a quick rundown. I mean,

1128
01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:35.760
obviously there was bigfoot living in that
barn and then you built a house

1129
01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:39.840
and that pissed them off. But
now they didn't know you, so they're

1130
01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:42.960
more exciting. So they're bringing you
gifts as a peace office. Here's a

1131
01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:48.680
doll. Baby's dirty. You know. I was really hungry and I just

1132
01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:53.199
wanted to Yeah, we were going
to eat butters. But he's okay.

1133
01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:58.840
You know, we like them,
We likes flutters. I mean, that's

1134
01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:01.920
just what I I that's my assumption. That's what I would you read everything.

1135
01:32:03.680 --> 01:32:09.319
I mean, I guess I'm lucky
that And you know, I wasn't

1136
01:32:09.399 --> 01:32:15.000
scared at the old house. I'm
not scared here. You know. This

1137
01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:18.680
is our dream house, though,
and if anything starts to go sideways,

1138
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:23.800
they're not winning. I'm just going
to tell you that right now. I

1139
01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:27.600
will do whatever I have to do
in my power, but we will not

1140
01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:31.079
be going. So it's good.
I guess I'm not scared to be here.

1141
01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:36.159
Well, let's just round out the
trifecta. Have you seen any strange

1142
01:32:36.199 --> 01:32:42.640
lights in the sky? Yes,
of course you have now, only once,

1143
01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:47.000
only once, and I have to
say that it wasn't okay where I

1144
01:32:47.079 --> 01:32:54.359
told you. The ravine behind the
houses we have ports on the back,

1145
01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:59.760
and we were sitting out there one
night and literally it looked like pointing straight

1146
01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:02.720
up into the sky. I mean, not quite round like the bat signal.

1147
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:08.079
It was more oval shaped, but
it literally looked like someone had a

1148
01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:12.600
really powerful flashlight. But it shone
all the way above the trees and into

1149
01:33:12.640 --> 01:33:15.880
the sky, oval shaped from the
ground ups, from the ground up.

1150
01:33:16.840 --> 01:33:20.680
And in my mind I'm thinking,
well, if someone's back there, that

1151
01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:25.840
is why a heck of a flashlight. And I look at her husband and

1152
01:33:25.880 --> 01:33:27.920
I said, do you see that? He said, yeah, I see

1153
01:33:27.960 --> 01:33:30.880
that. He said, do you
think that that's someone with a really powerful

1154
01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:33.920
light? Over on the other property, and I said, I don't know,

1155
01:33:34.039 --> 01:33:40.640
but that is a dang good light. And just about the time that

1156
01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:49.279
I said it, it like as
fast as you could see it go,

1157
01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:55.039
it like left. And when I
say it left, like the oval part

1158
01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:57.640
of the top of it, you
know, like where I thought the light

1159
01:33:57.880 --> 01:34:02.640
ended literally shot to the left to
the point where you couldn't see where it

1160
01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:09.439
went. Could you see a light
beam coming up from the ground. No,

1161
01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:14.279
okay, So it wasn't like the
light was coming through the trees right

1162
01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:18.479
right, So it wasn't like I
could see the origin of where this oval

1163
01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:23.920
light was coming from. But it
was definitely right at the top of the

1164
01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:28.720
trees, right above the top of
the trees, which are not small,

1165
01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:31.600
and I could not see where it
was coming from. So that's why I

1166
01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:34.920
thought maybe it was oval shaped,
because I thought, if it's coming from

1167
01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:39.640
the property behind us and they're shining
it this way, then we're only seeing

1168
01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:45.079
the oval part, right. But
when it shot off like that, I

1169
01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:49.119
was just like, what is that? And my husband looks at me and

1170
01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:51.439
he was like, hey, you
saw that. I saw that and I

1171
01:34:51.560 --> 01:34:54.680
was like, yeah, I saw
that, and he said, what was

1172
01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:57.800
that? And I said, I
don't know, but that's the only thing

1173
01:34:57.840 --> 01:35:00.680
we've ever seen, and I don't
that it's out of the realm of possibility

1174
01:35:00.680 --> 01:35:05.359
that somehow somebody had a really good
light the people who live way behind us

1175
01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:12.279
shining at this in this direction.
It was really like the way, the

1176
01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:18.600
fastness that it left or that they
moved, it was kind of incredible.

1177
01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:21.960
And like I said, I couldn't
see the beam coming through the trees.

1178
01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:26.640
I could only see the like the
end of it, the oval part of

1179
01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:32.800
it. Right, It's just so
weird to me. I'm desperately trying to

1180
01:35:32.880 --> 01:35:40.000
figure out the connection. And like
you said, it could just be once

1181
01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:44.760
that door's opened, you start noticing
other things. But it's just fascinating to

1182
01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:49.960
me how just myself for instance,
and many people that I have talked to,

1183
01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:57.199
it's never just one thing. No, No, it's like once they've

1184
01:35:57.319 --> 01:36:00.960
seen or experienced one thing, then
how many times have they said, yeah,

1185
01:36:01.359 --> 01:36:05.079
I've I've experienced that too. And
you know, maybe it's just,

1186
01:36:05.640 --> 01:36:12.319
hey, once we've unlocked that ability
we can, or once we've acknowledged that

1187
01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:17.239
something is possible, than anything else
is possible, you are going to have

1188
01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:24.000
to keep in contact. I definitely
will. I definitely will. I have

1189
01:36:24.079 --> 01:36:27.760
a feeling we're going to have a
lot more conversations. I think so too.

1190
01:36:28.479 --> 01:36:31.279
I think so too. Yeah,
I don't think it's over by any

1191
01:36:31.319 --> 01:36:36.239
means. Thank you for coming on
and sharing everything well. Thank you so

1192
01:36:36.399 --> 01:36:41.520
much for having me on. It's
been awesome. I'm going to be thinking

1193
01:36:41.560 --> 01:36:45.079
about this one for a long time, a lot to think about, a

1194
01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:50.039
lot to think about. Thank you
so much. And if you've had your

1195
01:36:50.119 --> 01:36:55.880
own encounter with Bigfoot, dog man, aliens, UFOs, ghosts, anything

1196
01:36:55.920 --> 01:36:59.880
at all that you can't explain,
send me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at

1197
01:37:00.039 --> 01:37:02.520
gmail dot com. If you get
a chance, check out Bigfoot Crossroads dot

1198
01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:06.560
com. You can find links to
social media, past episodes, merchandise,

1199
01:37:06.920 --> 01:37:11.840
everything you need, all in one
place. And until next time, remember

1200
01:37:12.720 --> 01:37:14.119
there's something in the woods.