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So back in episode one thirty five, we were really focused on how we
were going to approach our plant parenthood this year, especially compared to years past.
Yeah, and it was kind of the usual suspects, burnout from over
collecting. How we planned to rain that in, and how we want to
focus on the love of the hobby again, both in terms of plant selection
and care routine tweaks. Yeah, exactly. So today we wanted to circle
back and chat about what some of those changes were, what they look like
in action, and also take time to talk about continuing challenges and things that
we're still working on. Yeah. So I'm just going to start with the
biggest goal that I had for myself was entering the growing season with a breaking
collector so that I could instead focus more on the plants that I already have
as they were coming into better foliage, active growth in the warm weather,
and then working with them more deliberately so that I was getting more enjoyment out
of the plants that I already had. Because this way my intentions weren't so
divided and distracted with new plants, and I was ignoring the existing ones.
Yes, we've heard this before, Yeah, you know, from ourselves and
from many people. Yeah, this is not an uncommon story, and I
have talked a few times about this. But just last fall and winter were
pretty stressful and that caused a lot of my plants to suffer, and that
led to feelings of overwhelm because the upkeeping struggles that came with not having enough
energy or motivation to keep my plants thriving. We're really beginning to weigh on
me. So actually it was even earlier than our Spring Strategies episode. I
was already making an effort to be much more consistent to my plant care routines
in general, and that was kind of inspired by our chat with Maria back
in January. So that's episode one twenty one for those who haven't heard it.
And this was mostly going to include getting a consistent schedule for watering,
and I was taking that more as a form of self care than an actual
chore that needed to be observed. And then I also had to start being
more consistent and exacting in my pest management to alleviate stresses down the road.
And while those have been great and I've felt very good about them, I'm
going to single out that the most productive tweak that I've made is getting onto
a consistent fertilization schedule. Okay, yes, and this has been a long
time coming, like you just said in episode number terms, Okay, so
what have you actually done, Matthew? And you know I do want specifics,
so I am going to press you as getting through this well. I
mean, I've mentioned before I've never really been very good at that whole weekly,
weekly practice, which is I think pretty much ideal for house plants.
It's much better than giving them huge boosts to fertilizer a couple of times a
year, which is what I have shamefully done in the past. And even
when I've gotten better about using the actual concentrations that you're supposed to use to
be your fertilizer, I get behind on it. I just forget the last
time that I've done it. So this year, in conjunction with this improved
watering schedule, where I am just going through before things are wilted and watering
what needs it at once and checking with those plants, I'm also deliberately just
including fertilizer in that routine. Okay, yeah, all right. It's happening
at least once a month now, and sometimes I'm even doing it every other
watering, depending on the plants and how actively they're growing. And I kind
of have to laugh a bit, because you know how we give advice of
like this is a best practice, but like do we follow that ourselves?
Of course, we're just now revealing that maybe we don't, but everyone believed
that we did. I'm sure they all believed that. I mean, it's
really easy to know what's r versus like doing it yourself. So I knew
that I should be fertilizing my potted plants, especially if they've been in that
same pot and substrate for a couple of years. But now I'm just seeing
the payoff of what it looks like when you're actually fertilizing consistently. Okay,
so what are you using? Is this like osma coat slow release? It
sounds like if it's during watering, it's probably some like water soluble one.
Yes and yes, okay, So for plants that the substrate has broken down
or they've outgrown like that pot size, they're getting root bound if the substrate
really needs refreshing. I'm just you know, habitually mixing slow release fertilizer pellets
into the substrate as I'm repotting. So if it's a foliage plant, they're
getting a general all purpose indoor outdoor osma coat, you know, really standard
all purpose fertilizer for things that might not want like the hind nitrogen that that
fertilizer tends to have all use either balanced or maybe bloom booster if it's a
flowering plant. But that's only going to give feeding for you three to six
months, depending on the formulation. It'll tell you when the label how long
those fertilizers will last. All right. So I'm hearing like some customization here.
It's not just like brought across the board, all right. Yeah,
and you know that's also being adapted into my watering routine. Like you said,
I'm using the liquid fertilizer. Because when we chatted about fertilizer and soil
nutrition with Miles most recently, he was telling us about how, you know,
the slow release pellets they need to be in contact with water so that
the nutrients can come out and leach into the soil. So I'm not really
doing those for succulents. They'll like to dry a lot, exactly. And
I mean not to call you out, but you know, if you are
kind of an underwaterer or a less frequently than ideal waterer, maybe that is
kind of the less effective approach for you. Yeah. And also what I
was doing before was just sprinkling some on top of the soil of a plant
that needed fertilizer and just trusting that they'd soak in when I watered. So
that's why I mixed them into the substrates. But because that takes longer to
get into the oil to be available for the roots to take up. Yeah,
I'm also doing the liquid fertilizers. Okay, So is it like both?
In some cases? It is both. In some cases, like if
I freshly pot a plant up, and you know, I think it's going
to be fine to fertilize and I'm not worried about harming like new roots as
they're growing, I'll just start using like either typically half strength fertilizer, Okay,
you know us for specifics, I'm just using Basic Miracle Grow. I'm
using all you know, I use that for me My succulents like that's my
you know, soil quote unquote elements. So no, yeah, no judgment
here. I know that some people are like, oh, you need calmago,
you need something very fancy. For most plants, you don't. And
as long as you're doing it at like the recommended dosages or even lower concentrations,
it's great. There's a reason that it is such an omnipresent product that's
available everywhere. So are you seeing results here? Like is this paying dividends
for you that you've seen a yeah, okay, yeah. So what I'm
noticing is that I'm prioritizing if a plant is an active growth and it's a
foliage plant, I'm just giving it the all purpose foliage plant fertilizer. And
this is helping new growth come in like more actively, I've noticed. And
this is both for plants that might have been in that pot for a while,
like I have that enormous monstera that I don't know if it's ever going
to get repotted because it's going to be such an undertaking. It's also some
smaller plants that haven't been in their soil so long, but it's just supporting
our growth more. And I can definitely see a change in how enthusiastically they're
kind of approaching this more light, more warmth time of year, and that's
been really good. I've seen much improved growth on most of my foliage plants.
Okay, so when you say you use it, was it like then
with each watering like every other? Are you not paying attention that closely?
Well, what I'm doing is I am fertilizing the really hungry, fast growing
plants. So I'm thinking like the alocacias, the spat the philing like plants
that are going to be fine with getting consistent amounts of weak fertilizer. I'm
never doing more than the recommended dose. Is it like with every watering?
I mean? Or is it like yeah, every other okay, yeah,
Like it kind of depends on the plants. There are some plants that I'm
doing like every other water if I know that they're going to be sensitive to
mineral accumulation in the soil, I'm flushing the substrates. But you know,
most of my waterings, at least something is getting fertilizer. And where I'm
really prioritizing and doing this consistently is with my succulents. And with my flowering
plants, because there's a lot of these plants that this is the season where
they're going to be blooming, and the Miracle Grow products they're designed to be
used very regularly on potted indoor plants. So I'm just mixing up about a
half strength fertilizer and I'm not doing this when the soil is dry. If
the plants a little wheelt, that I'll give it some water let that soak
in for an hour or two so that the roots are moist, the substrates
moist, and then when I add the fertilizer then it can distribute through the
medium. But I honestly have some hoyas that are blooming really enthusiastically right now
and they weren't doing that before, and I think it might be because I'm
giving them like a good solid fertilizer regimen. Yeah, I have some other
flowering potted plants that have bloomed well in the past, but I can really
see like a difference this year. There's this one. It's like an outdoor
annual that's commonly known as matagust and periwinkle, and it's actually not in the
Vinca genus, but whatever, and it just lives on my windowsill in my
kitchen and it's covered in white flowers now, and I fertilize it with bloom
boosting fertilizer every time. Then, back when we actually were right before the
pandemic, you and I went to the Pacific Northwest Flowering Garden Show and I
got an Ashcananthus like one of the lipstick finds. Yeah, it's like the
speciosis variety. So it has those like firework panicles of orange and yellow and
red flowers. That's been growing in one of my wine bottle planters for three
years, like since I got it, I was not doing a good job
of fertilizing it, and I started fertilizing it this year. It put on
an explosion of growth. And it's in the same window so as the Mata
gaskin periwinkle. It has more flowers open now than it's ever had the whole
three years of its life with me. Yeah, and it has many panicles
that aren't even close to opening. So this plant is going to be in
flower all summer. And swear to God it's the fertilizer. Yeah, I
say yeah, because I have a very similar thing over here. I have.
I don't remember which species that we kind of guessed it might be,
but yeah, it's the variety kind of with those sort of serrated leaves and
those bright orange flowers, but not you know, super interesting foliage that one
has I don't know, three massive like bulging kind of bunches of flowers.
Yeah, more coming. I feel like I'll have some, yeah, for
at least a month or two. And yeah, you know, I'm thinking
about it. I have started to fertilize it more now. I really thought
it like just needed a repot and it was kind of stuck in there.
They respond, Okay, they yeah, obviously they really respond, and yeah,
it is exciting. Cool. Well, and when we talked about how,
you know, the hoyas we're both growing pollenura, we got these really
great, fast growing cuttings from a listener. And since we did that episode
a couple of weeks ago, I have several new sets of leaves on mine,
and it is producing side shoots close to the base of the plant,
and I fertilize it consistently. And I have the same thing on my Kaiienensis,
my Hoya Stralis Lisa. They're all just growing tons of side shoots and
like, I'm really excited to see the flowers on my encrosada because I've had
that plant in the same pot for like five years. It's a mound of
foliage in crisoda. Yeah, it's it's like a lemon scented one. All
right. It's a great hoya that Doug Chamberlain really thinks is an easy,
fast bloomer. I've treated it well for five years and it's never flower but
its like maybe it was starving. Yeah, we see. You know.
An actually funny side note the peduncle that has buds on it. Now,
I've been waiting. I thought that they were going to bloom like three days
ago, so every day I'm like, this is the day. They might
be open tonight, but who knows. Yeah. Well, that peduncle though,
it's like split head, like it has like a little stem that comes
out of the stem and then there's like two curves with like two heads on
the peduncle. Okay, interesting, So I trust your phone has been there
on for three and a half weeks. I hope, like hopefully capturing that
time lapse and that painstaking. I don't know if the way that it is
I did set up time laps to get the blossoms on my black dragon hibiscus
A couple of times. I had several flowers recently, and it's like that
bland knows when I'm trying to time lapse it because the flowers like, I'm
yeah, you can't do it if someone's looking. It's like doing a math
in public. Okay, it's like a simple how much do people owe at
the check? I'm like, I don't know how two plus threes? What?
It was an overshare? But I have so many flowers on my chroniana,
and that one blooms early in the evening, like afternoon. So I
meant to get a time Labs photo of a chroniana. Yeah that means you've
had it bloom enough when you know what time of day it's going to bloom.
Okay, that I have apparent flowers ready to open, I'm going to
set it a bit here, yeah, because it does not wait for dark
and that that's an amazing plant. It has really responded well to like loves
your space. Yeah, yeah, you're doing really well with it. That's
cool. Yeah, it's it's great. So yeah, summary of this,
I feel like I have seen significantly better growth on more of my plants because
I'm paying more attention to them. I am not distracted by new plants that
I'm adding, and I'm following that rule that we kind of tell people of,
like give your plants fertilizer consistently and they love it, and like they
do. I note this now from experience. Okay, okay, so that
was great. We are going to move from a Victory Lap esque account that
you just shared two more of a work in progress, you know, problem
I am working through. Let's just say this one's relatable though to me.
So okay, um, I wonder how Yeah, I feel like, you
know, if you've listened to all one hundred and whatever episodes, maybe you're
ready for this. But you know, we'll see buckle up. So I
was really kind of trying to get back to basics with this. I will
say I've mentioned that I have this big east facing window in my now not
very new apartment. It's so ridiculously large, like it's a it's kind of
a vintage building like this. The window dimensions don't make sense. It's like
eight feet by five points something like, it's just like a huge rectangle.
It's super cool. That's ideal though. Yeah, it's so ridiculously large.
I like I had even less excuse for like not using windows in this place,
which you know my history, I don't always do that, So regular
listeners you know that I started with roults, like an aquariums, carnivorous plants
that absolutely needed tons of light. So if you can imagine windows, they
feel kind of uncontrolled, They feel inconsistent for me, Like, if I'm
honest, I still don't completely know how an entire year goes in a window,
like through all those changes of lighting temp. For my plants. Yeah,
right, Like maybe I g guess that for like a lipstate plant,
I know how that goes, but yeah, you know, some of the
others that I have in there now, I'm not completely sure. So yeah,
yeah. And the reason this is so relatable is because I feel like
I have been typecast and pigeonholed as like the tropical foliage guy on this podcast
show, even though I honestly don't really think that that's quite who I am
in a lot of ways. And this is because I went from an apartment
that had two enormous self facing windows that was like the same thing that you
have, like this giant expanse of like eight feet by five points something,
and I had succulents, I had all kinds of orchids, I had thriving
orchids. I had just really amazing plants in that space. And I also
had north windows so I could do lower light plants. And I had a
huge balcony that I could grow things in full sun to like full shade,
so I had every light exposure. There were also west windows in my kitchen
which were not that big, but I had all the light options. When
I lived in the U District and then moving to Capitol Hill, I had
two windows in a sliding glass door that we're facing like just north of due
east, so that balcony also only got sun until about noon most of the
year, right, So my entire collection changed. So many of the plants
that you grow are things that do actually require full consistent sun for a lot
of the year, and probably you're not going to be able to do that
in an east window. So when I moved with this collection of plants that
thrived in that hot, sunny you district departments to Capitol Hill, I basically
lost all of my orchids, most of my succulents, perished, and the
plants that I was able to grow well were these like bright, indirect foliage
plants. And so that's why my collection exploded in that direction. And that's
when I started getting into grow lights, because like, well, I only
have room for a couple of cacti now, and they have to tolerate morning
only sun, and anything that needs more than that, or that needs longer
durations of it, like orchids, they need grow lights. So this is
you agreeing about window trust and window trust love. This is me telling you,
I think it's hilarious that you've never used windows, but it makes sense
because your collection has never been this sort of collection that is going to be
able to live well in Seattle year around. I thank you for that.
I've not come around. I just might not have articulated that to you.
Okay, well, I'm gonna hear that as validation. My approach has always
been grow everything in the windows that you can, and then anything that can't
survive in the natural light of your windows, find a solution. Either don't
grow it or find a lighting solution. So that's why I had so many
grow lights in my Capitol Hill apart. So I guess I guess that kind
of helps me set this up. Like I just took the opposite take,
right, I set a thing up at the lights, and then anything that
you know didn't need the light, maybe I'd throw in the window and try
anyway. So I will die on the hill though that light is the single
most important thing for your plans. Oh, no disagreement there, Yeah,
I mean that justineable. Yeah, okay, So like I thought i'd kind
of give a review. I thought I was a stranger, but it was
like going to be this review from like an alien who just arrived here on
Earth, you know, where there's no sun or something in to grow plants.
I don't know anyway. For the things in my window, some things
are great, some aren't or aren't yet. So when group of plants doing
pretty well are my mounted orchids, I tend to overcollect these. Yeah,
I tend to overcollect these. I tend to kind of get ahead of myself
care wise, because these can be kind of demanding. Right, if you
don't have any substrate there, you have to water more, drives more.
A mounted plan will always require a lot more attention. Yeah, so they're
doing pretty well. I do have a light kind of hanging in the window
too, so it has a grow light also. I just really wanted to
kind of get the most out of these that I could. Yeah, but
it enjoys a natural light for me. The thought initially was that it would
get these lower nighttime temps near the windows, which facilitates blooming. Yeah,
that's kind of a nice thing to kind of, you know, make sure
they have the conditions that they might need if I'm doing other things correctly.
And they're doing well. So definitely getting a ton of growth. I know
for certain gun era that I'm growing if I just ease up on the watering,
which I've been a lot better at two because they're just more visible.
They're easier to water in a window where you can just kind of spray it
and like the window itself isn't getting get so you know, nasty like maybe
a tabletop wood. Yeah, so they're doing pretty well. I think if
it has a dry period, I'm going to get some flowers. And yeah,
I definitely have filled the space completely up, you know, as we
do. I have little hangers and some little like magnets on this window.
I'll share a picture of this soon. But yeah, that's going really well.
On the other hand, I had these grand plans to move my hoyas,
especially the ones that had bloomed already. Moved them from this super prime
real estate on a growth shelf that was like kind of high up, so
I could see the hoya kind of cascading down right, and then maybe I
could see some of the flowers that often face downward. It's been up there.
There's big, like great light up there. I was going to move
them to the window, especially once again that I've already seen bloom. I
don't need to have them bloom all the time or something. Of course that's
great, but I'm like, okay, put you in the way. Know
maybe you know, with some of the seasonality there, you'll enjoy that.
The few I've put there. I put the pollenura, the one that you
talked about earlier, you know, just a couple of minutes ago. Yours
is doing really well. Growth pretty much stopped on mine. I then moved
it. A couple of days ago. One of the leaves was yellowed in
a weird way, like not one of the new ones that you know is
going to color up, So I wonder if it was too jarring. I
put it back under the grow lights and that's fine. You know, it's
a definitely an established plant, but it's not super huge, so maybe it's
something I can do later. You know, it's not quite summer time.
It wasn't quite summertime when I moved it, so maybe the light wasn't there
to make that transition easy. So the hoyas overall, Yeah, I had
all these plants to like move all the hoyas into these hanging you know things
near the window. I don't know if that's really going to happen. Well,
that's kind of what I was thinking. I feel like I have enough
you know, hoya plant material at this point to do that. Yeah.
I I have another species, Hoya lateensis. Oh yeah, has always been
in the window. It was kind of in trouble. It had mealy bugs
for a while. The mealy bugs are gone, but there is nothing like
a peduncle anywhere. There is kind of just new, stringy, viney growth.
I think it needs more light than it's getting, Okay, so maybe
the east window just isn't going to cut it. To be fair, my
Lateensis is growing right next to my Rotusa and my Croniana. It's also in
a self watering wine bottle planter. It's put on tons of growth, but
there's not a peduncle insight, and the Rotusa and the Croniana have both bloomed.
The Croniana's blooming up a star. The lateensis is like, look at
all my tiny cute little leaves. Yeah, because I thought maybe by putting
it into like the prime space, you know, very well lit fry zone,
i'll call it, I thought that I could kick some flowering out of
it. Is that an expression? Yeah, but the flowers out of that,
Yeah, so maybe that will work. Let's also point out that that's
the one that there's not much care information and Doug Chamberlain does not have like
positive regards to offer l tenses si um, yeah, so HOOI is less
well. I have some just nariads there. I have some African violets I
picked up. They're flowering a bunch. I'm getting some kind of dryish leaves.
I may just need to tinker with watering there. Um. And you
know, like these are not classically super difficult to get to flowers. I
don't know if that is like the biggest vote of confidence. Last one,
I'll mention the mandarin plant. Listen, Yeah, I tried to cut,
you know, cut that stock off. The new growth looked good for a
while. I'm starting to get some browning. Oh well it's a browning leaf
tip. So it's a little bit different. But I'm just like, gosh,
that's to be expected with you and just you know, a little baby
update there. I've been trying to rehome it. Not not a lot of
takers. I'm sorry. You can just leave it at your parents' house when
you were you know, my mom, she wised up, she went out,
she got out ahead of it. She's like, okay, have a
lot of plants right now. So I didn't give others a wise woman.
Yeah. Yeah, So what's next for you? Well, I think that
in terms of the hoyas, I just want to add in that as mine
have outgrown the grow rack shelves, I'm biting more like kind of you know,
home to core places to put them. And that's what I was thinking,
their growth. Yeah, it's it's kind of necessary. Sometimes some of
them do well, like those ones that I was sharing. But I have
a hoya obovada verragatta and when it was growing under lights like bright lights that
everything thrives under the kind of variegated streak of cream down the center of the
leaf was like the same texture and everything is the rest of the leaf,
and the leaf would be around and flat. But now it hangs in a
south facing window in my bedroom, and when the new leaves grow in,
it's like the cream part of the leaf is like not willing to expand,
So the leaf gets a little crinkled and kind of like fluted because the cream
portion just kind of like stays stunted while the green of the leaf like kind
of does its thing. So I might put that one back under higher light.
It's in a south window, it does get some afternoon protection. But
yeah, it's it's interesting. And I've also noticed that there's like, you
know, just some little things that some of these plants like specifically want cooler
temperatures. I've not had flowers on my numulariodes in a long time, and
like it's growing okay, but you know, we kind of find a routine
that works, then when you change it, it might take the plant some
time to adjust and acclimate. Yeah, like there's a just an area that
I'm growing that was doing well on the grow rex and now it's somewhere else
and it just has stopped flowering. So you're learning these things that we all
kind of learn at different times. You and I are like trading off when
we learn and use different light strategies. Yes, may your entire home one
day be grow rex we're getting there, no right, and would never allow
that. I do want to just throw in about the mandarin plant. I
sewed seeds of that thing like right after we did that episode. They have
not germinated yet, so who knows what's going to happen. We'll see.
Yeah. So the next thing that I wanted to talk about, I think
ties in with something that you also wanted to mention. So I've said that
I'm trying to rebuild my collection a bit with intention because last year, the
plants that survived my move and like a not very great fall in winter were
the ones that were super hardy and tolerant and neglect or plants that were so
precious to me that they were going to live if I could do anything about
it. Everything that needed consistent watering that I wasn't absolutely in love with,
they all perished, and that's fine. But so now I'm trying to kind
of rebuild what I want to replace them I've now lived in this house for
almost two years, and I know to stop. I know, Oh my
god, how has it been that long? But I intend to die in
this house. And I feel like I know the space well hope, Okay,
if I have to move again, I half of my soul will wither
up. Chill and chat. Indeed, yeah, we're so chill. I'm
going to die here. No, But I know what the windows do in
different seasons. I know how the house responds when we're in the hundred twenties.
I know how the house responds to the sun when we don't have it
in June. Like I know what my nighttime lows are in different parts of
the house. I know this space, and I know which plants do well
where. I know what I can get away with and what's ideal. I've
really established like where my grow rex are. All of my light timers are
kind of perfected. Like I've refined and adapted these things well enough. And
I feel like I myself have matured as a planned person to the point that
I now have more restraint. I know what dies quickly for me. I
know not to buy segoniums anymore. Sengonium Potophila. People love them, and
I have one that's alive and it's luckily the prettiest investments the elbow variegated,
But the rest of them, I don't even touch them anymore so because I
want to maintain my fascination and love in this hobby, and that really diminished
last year. I am getting new plants still, but just like I was
just saying, I'm focusing on the ones that I already have. The new
ones that I get, I'm being very selective about and I'm being extremely thoughtful
when I'm browsing if I come across a potential impulse by plant or something that
might have been on a wish list in the past, I know, like
really being critical about, like what is this going to mean for my plant
care routine? And how much am I going to enjoy this plant in six
to twelve months? Is it even likely that you're going to make it to
fall? Like plants really have to pass criteria before Okay, like I get
out my debit card, listen, you can say pass. Is there an
example of this, an example of a plant that I bought with deliberate intention?
Or like what are you saying the one I'm curious about is the one
that you passed up? Oh yeah, keeping all the time in here,
we're not editing it. I don't really pick up the plates. Call Athias
Calathias. Yeah, like I bought it's no longer a Claythia. It's in
Geopardia now, but claythea Musaica. I bought one of those because I had
one parish last year. But I love them. I think they're so beautiful.
And I've killed enough of them and I've had enough problems with pests on
them, and I'm like, I get it. I don't. I've had
the experience. I know what you look like. I'm not going to buy
any of you anymore. And so I've also looked at a variety of orchids,
like I'm kind of trying to get back into orchids. Yeah, but
I see dendrobims and I'm like, you're one of the most beautiful varieties of
orchids, and you're inexpensive, A traitor Joe's right now. But I don't
need you. I know what it is like having you in my home,
and I know how to care for you, but like it doesn't work.
So okay, yeah, all right, it's basically that I do have one
regret plant that I want to put out there. It's a hartly fern.
Hartly fern. Yeah, it has like black wiry stowns of a heart shaped
leaf. Sorry, f those dudes, like you don't water them like once
and then they just like curl up and if you're like really lucky, you
get them water within like the first couple of minutes that they curl up,
them look like a dead husk and then they might unfurl. But like,
thetan is way too fussy for me. I regret getting that one. I
thought, oh, I'm gonna put this in one of my self watering containers
that I do from maidenhairs. Before I even got that far, I was
letting it adjust to my home and that plant like might come back from the
rhizome. But I'm like, you were not the right choice for me.
Okay, it was only six dollars, so I don't feel too bad,
but that was a lesson. I now look at this plant like recovering on
micro rack, and I'm like, I should have paid more attention to that
whole like this, this isn't the right plant that you don't need. Okay,
yes, I am hearing maturation. I'm hearing restraint. Honestly, there's
a lot of it. And I pressed you. I pressed you a little
bit. Okay, the table into a sun shop the last time that I
was there, it's really stopped. Oh my gosh, I did You're gonna
laugh at me. I did get a Hoyabella. Wow. Okay, that's
a thing. I mean, as gonna say Kalathis, I'm like, yeah,
you guys had a tough relationship for a while. You kind of kept
going back to her. I think that Kalathiers are beautiful. Here you I
with Hoyabella and Bella doesn't impress me. This looks healthy and it's doing.
You just want to win. You just want to win with Hoyabella. Yeah,
and that's when it looks it's it's most beautiful. It's covered in flower
and they last a long time. I mean it was my first Hoya.
I still have it. I have a soft spot. I will take it
to a busy street and I will just drop kick it into traffic when it's
at its peak, just to like teachings, and then we'll pretend it's the
first plant. You did that with, all right, Ye've never done that
before. So yeah, if like you know, it's sort of related.
I guess like for me, I think about my next goal is kind of
like continuing my efficiency kick. I'll say, you're, well, okay,
you haven't been to my plays, but no, but just hearing what you're
talking about necessity is the mother of invention. Yeah. It does feel like
ways to like balance the effort you want to put in with a collection that
you want to have. Yeah, And I feel like there's always puzzle aspects
to this hobby for me, and this is kind of this one right now.
Like maybe it's not happening in like the plant care sort of layer,
but it's happening in like the care portion. Yeah. So a big part
of that for me has been about plant selection I mentioned earlier, getting back
to carnivorous plants that are honestly easier to care for than so many of the
other plants that are new to me lately, Like that we've gotten through the
podcast and once I've you gotten you know, these swaps that are starting again.
Yeah. Another part of that is cutting down are the ones that aren't
doing super well that I already have already taking up a lot of space,
like mandarin plant, or just aren't giving me a ton of joy? Also,
like mandarin plant, are there any others besides the mandarin plant? Really
focused on it? Okay, it's just like the very corner of my view
now too, So sorry, it's getting a lot of you know, the
hates right now. That plant's like, I don't even know my proper name.
Yeah it's yeah, amiens recognastrum. We've ever done one from the point
of view of a plant. That's a good idea. That's a good like
aftershow idea for the future. So last piece I would say is just trying
to fit in plants that I love of in like smart spaces where they can
drink from water that accumulates in a watering tray for example, or other places.
So this is my latest little like puzzle. You know, other things
like what can live near the kitchen sink where it's more humid and I remember
to water more so you know, I guess that's fairly normal. Okay,
Yeah, but those are kind of my different prongs right now. Well,
And I think that when you talk about how carnivorous plants are easy for you,
it's because you can just leave them in a tray of water. Exactly.
It's you know, we said that in that episode where like, okay,
you just get a couple of these things, right, And I know
that it's not like the easiest thing for everyone to do, but really,
after you're done with less than one, I feel like it's pretty smooth sailing.
Yeah. And then otherwise, like you know, succulents, you just
water them when they're completely dry. So it's just like in between plants through
the fussiest yes plants, the water a little bit of plants. Yeah,
so you know, carnivorous plant wise, I'm getting kind of a mix of
classics that I've already had some new challenge plants for me. I have one
called Drusera prolifera. I'm gonna look that one up. Yeah, it's a
sund like a carnivorous stewie looking sund. It has spoon shaped leaves, which
is kind of unusual for the genus. Oh, this one's cute. It
kind of looks like a carnivorous version of the peepee plant. Almost. Oh
yeah, I could see that. So anyway, that that sundo is,
I guess an easy grower. I thought it was very difficult before saw one
randomly picked it up and it's doing pretty well. It is a very fussy
eater, which is interesting, Like it's not one that really responds to like
fully or feeding, so I have to kind of like find little gnats for
it. But luckily I have you know, some nats in my home now.
Yeah, just put a next year African violets. Actually, yeah,
not a bad idea. I'm looking around. Um. Yeah, I got
a new Nepenthes nepenthees hammada, which is really you know, thought of is
very difficult, but I have a small one. Yeah. It was for
a firesale price someone who just was like, oh, I can't get this
particular clone to do super well. How but you have a go at it?
Yeah, So yeah, it's growing well so far. It is very
tiny, and I do like the toothed parastome on that one. That's a
really neat plant. Yeah, it's definitely like a prestige one that people really
love. Did you chat with Jacob from Plant Prodigy about that one? I
told him about it, but he is kind of way smarter than me in
the sense that he tends to get hybrids that have the characteristics of the very
cool you know species. Yeah, but grow you know, twice as quickly,
and he doesn't have that like toxic chaotic trade of being species purists like
us, even though we know it's not a choice and we know that it's
not as rewarded. Yeah, so like as I bought it, I might
be I'm like, okay, maybe I'll just do like Jacob later and get
you know, the hybrid that you know, we'll probably do better in my
conditions, but whatever, We'll see how the somata goes again, I said
it was, you know, kind of on the cheaper side. Yeah.
And then helium flora. I keep moving those around right now. I'm just
trying to get that cold enough night and I think they're okay, but they're
not really thriving. I got one flower this year. I had you know,
more other years, but they're growing well enough. So hopefully those do
well this summer, which is kind of the hardest season for them always.
As far as like putting plants in smart I'll say spaces, My thing right
now is trying to put all of my rip salas into self watering like waking
chord pots and kind of putting those in the trays that react on you or
did you larnament from the Justnaria Society sale. Good question, okay, because
I think of you as more of like a full self contained watering pot thing.
But I mean it was definitely like around that, of course on our
social media for a while now. Then at the sale, I saw just
kind of like a chord sticking out and you're like, okay, you know,
just like put water in this tray. I mean, fill up the
tray whenever. It's like, you know, deconstructed self watering pot maybe.
And then I'm like, oh, I can put this in some of the
larger plants where I would just want to water them a ton, there's water
sitting there. Sometimes it gets kind of gross, you know, if it
sits there for a while, and I'm like, oh, if only something
would sit drink this. A carnivorous plant won't because often there's fertilizer in there,
like you know, it's as it's run through soil. You can't use
that so much. But for these I have a couple doing very well.
Rips Ellis paradoxa is one I just moved my what's it called drunken bones?
I want to say cactus. Yeah, that hatiora. It's also like bottle
plant or something that one there. I have a couple other ones. The
names are escaping me right now. I think you should do maiden hair ferns
if you need a plant to suck up that water, and specifically the Himalayan
maiden hair fern, because it is a fairly small growing species. It's much
more compact and I think it would be much better for your space. Excellent
idea, and I did that about six months ago, not with a Himalayan
that I know of, but I was like, you know, yeah,
I you know, I let it dry out for an hour or two or
whatever. This species hates mostly died back. I had like a frond or
two. Put it under there. It's massive. Again, I have it
under my drusina. Yeah, so I'll just like drench the drausina. It's
sitting like a little bit elevated in this you know, separate tray under it
gets basically rained on and then there's a cord where it can sit and it's
super well perfect. So yes, it does not yet a lot. You
know, there are other options here are a great great thing to point out.
And then yeah, little addendum, just putting things outdoors where I can
I love these powerful magnets. I have some that work outdoors on these on
like the parts of the window pane their metal, So I have little trays.
Does your landlord know you're doing that? I'm sure he doesn't listen.
That sounds okay, Well he can look at the window, I you know,
listen. Like rent laws are really great here in Seattle. I got
yelled at from what I was doing on my balcony roc that was crossing a
lot of lines. They're like, it's going to fall off. It's a
collapse problem. I literally use the justification of like, I'm pretty sure that
the number of people that I could fit on the balcony weighs more than the
number of plants that I curate. I would find hard to believe. And
then they all went out there, okay, on top of these you know,
water laden ceramic things that were Anyway, it was a cool balcony and
no one died while you lived there. I don't know what's happening there.
I can't even look at that building when I'm on the hill. I really
hope they address the structural damage. Anyway, over here, I have a
tiny fly trap that is stuck to the window and it's doing well. It's
got a few things so far. Oh very nice. So are you doing
anything that is efficiency specific like this in your mind? Well, you know
it. Actually it's a good tie in with what I said just a little
bit ago about like I mean intentional about the plants that I'm getting. Yeah,
yeah, this is a spectrum of things. Yeah, Like the plants
that I am getting now are the ones that couldn't tolerate the like abuse that
they went through last year and kind of my like plant despondency so abuse.
Yeah, I mean I let a bunch of plants die and it was heartbreaking,
but also just because they couldn't tolerate it. So now I'm getting back
into things like alocacia and maiden hair ferns and also carnivorous plants like I had,
you know, my history with the nepenthes and I have like two really
good helium bora, and I was very happy with the success that I'd had
specifically with the nepenthees, and those plants did not make it through last year,
and I had them for several years by that point, and they had
grown up and immatured a tone, so like that was awful for me,
and so I'm getting back into them and kind of like you're doing some things
with your carnivorous plants to reignite that part of your hobby. I repositioned the
racks of micro rack so that I now have a fairly close space with trays
of water, and I have three Nuvinus fly traps. I have a read
one, I have a standard green one, and I have one of the
ones with like the thick teeth. And these are indoors. Yep, they're
growing indoors right now. I'm just going to try that. My penicula.
We're not doing great, but they were the only carnivorous plants that made it
through last year. They are so hardy Okay, I'm impressed. I lost
one of the three. They are now coming back. They're looking great,
so probably, god, this might be a real this week. I'm probably
gonna get them positioned in little pummus planters that I have sitting around specifically for
this. I also have another Saracenia. I lost all my saracenia and my
Darlingtonia. But you know, you're doing the self wicking thing for your salas.
I've been thinking of doing that for some of my epiphytic cacti as well,
and thinking of like getting one of those like one point five liter wine
bottles to do like an enormous version of that, but for like you know,
the dishbone cactus or some thing. But my first nipenthis that I have
since last year's casualties. It's a hybrid between low Ei and ventricosa. Oh
okay. I think this is the same one that Jacob Plant Prodigy talked about,
okay, and he liked good good, So that actually makes me feel
great because he's such a good grower of these plants. That feels vindicating.
But I have it set up in just per light and sphagnum moss in a
wine bottled planter, and I'm gonna get more in apenthees soon. I just
want to see how these carnivorous plants do. But the way that they're all
set up, it's like they're just in a tray of water. They're under
extremely high light. They're easily accessible so that I can take that whole tray
out, Like I got heavy duty trays that can supposedly hold fifty pounds and
so like if it has water in it, and these plants, I don't
have to be so careful about, like, oh, don't let it snap
and break and spill water all over my house, because it does get scummy
and algae. So what I do is I just like empty it out in
the toilet and spray it down really well to get the algae out, and
then I just replace it. I'm not being too careful about my water quality
just because it's not been an issue for either of us in this area.
I am keeping an eye though, to see if I might need to do
this, but I want to get into drifts Sarah next. Now that I've
kind of figuring out like keeping my highlight and nepenthes going keeping them moist with
the self watering version, then I'm kind of doing the same thing with my
friends and Allocacia, Like we talked about that, and I remember the episode
numbers, like one of them was fifty four maybe whatever. But it's it's
that layered, wicking thing like if you've been on Instagram or TikTok, you've
seen me do that. Oh actually, okay, I'm going to cut you
off here. The other thing I did it with was that Allocacia Bambino.
Oh that we really well, nothing has happened yet, but there was the
new tissue in there when I was like, I think I'm going to throw
this out. Okay, I have two. I'm going to see if it
wakes up. It's in the window, so it has that hurdle. Hopefully
it's bright enough. But anyway, continue, Yeah, I hope it works.
I apol do. Yeah. All of my allocation went dormant last year.
Some of them have woken up. Others I've just composted because I'm like,
I can always replace you. So I now have like four that are
in full leaf. They're doing really well. They're putting on new leaves.
I've treated one of them for spider mites once. Because I'm being very intentional
about my pests. My maiden hair ferns are doing great. I have a
very large it's one of the ones that can live outdoors here. I think
it's pandatam or pedapholia or something like. Yeah. That one I need to
find like an enormous glass vessel because I want to do like a statement piece
for it. But the others are doing really really well, and I'm very
happy with them so far. I'm just keeping them wet. I'm allowing the
allocation to stay lightly moist, sometimes wet, sometimes slightly dry. But because
orchids have been such a challenge for me in this space and I haven't quite
figured them out yet, I am doing better with like the Pathew pedalums,
the slipper orchids. Those are some of my favorites, and I used to
have a great collection those years ago. I've only had two that I haven't
done great for a few years. So I'm doing those in a combination of
wine bottle planters and the layered treatment, but with a hole drilled in the
side, like about halfway up where the lecca layer goes. And I've started
doing that adaptation to that allocation madenhair fern version, because these plants do want
more airflow to their roots, and I'm also doing that for like some ant
plants, and so what that allows is I can water them thoroughly, use
my thumb to cover that hole, flood the container, let it soak in,
do this with fertilizers sometimes, and then I can drain out that excess
water and I can flush the substrate when I want, But I can also
leave a few inches of water in the bottom that never reaches into the substrate
and the wicking cord draws it up to keep this sphagnum moss the coconut chunks
like lightly moist. And two of these pathio pedalums are going to bloom soon,
and the others are still looking good. Like I've got six on this
on an east window sill and my office here that are doing really really well.
I'm feeling good about them. I found these little efficiency things like these
are the plants that are going to dry out too much. These are the
plants that I'm going to neglect a little bit if it gets hot for two
days and I don't notice them. So god wicking self watering. They are
really taking a lot of the struggle out for me for a lot of these
plants that are super sensitive, super beautiful. Okay, yeah, yes,
I dare say you're obsessed. I am, and there are no and listen,
there's a lot of good reason for this. Okay, I'm you know,
hey, I'm borrowing some of this now. I kind of never thought
I would be. I mean, a couple of years ago, I'm like,
oh, that's not really like a thing I would do, or I
would just kind of like put you know, a palm, a stone writ
in water or the plant writ in water or whatever. Yeah, but okay,
here's my question for the future for you. Yeah, so, okay,
you have all these vessels, that's great question. One. When are
you going to have to kind of get in there and clean all these out
or like get in there and just be like, you know what, this
degradation that happens in here is kind of different? Is that in one year?
This is actually a great question. I'm two years, it's going to
be it's gonna be different schedules for a lot of these plants. So like,
what would you say or have you reached this point with any of these
I had like an older plant set up or something. Yeah, yeah,
what's that like? So the first allocacia that I set up? Is this
our episode on these? You just give us the overview? Yeah, let
me just give you an overview, because maybe we could address us in a
whole episode. Yeah, here's what I found. Yeah, every time that
I pot something up in one of these self watering wicking systems, whether it's
the closed vessel, the closed vessel with a hole in the side, or
a wine bottle planter, I keep track of what the soil is doing,
and what the growth of the plant is doing. When it's a closed system,
in particular with no drainage, I'm very hesitant about over fertilizing or even
fertilizing at all. So what I do is I wait to see does the
plant stop growing or slow down, Because if it reaches that point, then
I know, okay, it's pretty much depleted the system. So I'll add
a little bit of fertilizer to see if that kind of gets it going again.
If I'm seeing tons of roots, like if it's really full, if
there's a lot of foliage coming in, Like I had an Allocacia amazonica that
like really filled a six inch vessel, then it was like, okay,
it is time for you. Now you have outgrown a six inch vessel.
Instead of getting like an enormous glass base to do this again, you're going
to go into like a ten inch pot because there's enough substrate that I can
easily water that substrate at the regular frequency. See that's what I was thinking,
Yeah, yeah, like you could. This is a step where then
graduates into kind of a larger system that's more conventional, where then you can
deal with those other things like yeah, yeah, like mineral accumulation or like
breakdown of the medium or something that you might worry about. Okay, right,
like one to two years is about what I think it takes. I
think that if you fertilize, you have to be very careful if you can't
drain that excess water out. Yeah, the wine bottle planters are super easy
to do this because like they'll automatically drain, but you do have to scrab
out the algae that builds up in them occasionally and try to keep light off
of these vessels because they're clear, so algae will grow. But it's great
because if it's a small plant like these small orchids that I'm growing, I
can just every year to two years either put them back in the exact same
setup with fresh substrate, or I can graduate them bump into the next largest
size. If it's a plant that's going to stay small, then you can
just you know, perpetually keep it that way. But I love this approach
for young hoyas. You know how so many times we get hoias that start
in like two inch pots and they want to stay sort of moist because there's
not there's a lot of drying that happens quickly. I've grown a lot of
hoyas up two sizes where they are great in pots where they struggle, and
like the two inch pot, like they go into like a three inch wine
bottle and then give it a year or two at most, and they're ready
to get into a bigger pot. Yeah, And so I think that that
answers the question for me, like, yeah, maybe we revisit this at
some point and kind of give that treatment and not like at the end of
a Chilean shot a little bit like this. So if you hear this again,
act surprised because I think, yeah, yeah, maybe we're onto something
here, Okay, And I do feel like maybe, like I feel like
I've been branded the tropical foliage guy. I might be the like weird glass
plant growing setup guy that is your next moniker that you know, harpist really
rolls off the tongue, doesn't it. Yeah, we'll work shopping. Yeah,
I do have a Bagonia. Like people have wonderful luck with Bagonias.
And there's this one called the Beefsteak Bagonia. It's a vintage classic. People
grow them so well even I know that they Yeah, they just freaking die
in my care and so I had this one that keeps reducing itself to a
rhizome with like little leaves poking out, and I think I'm going to do
that in one of those layered setups, and maybe if I try Claythia again,
I'm going to do it in a layered setup. Lots of people keep
asking in social media with this work, and it's like, I see no
reason why not you should go ahead and try this how it goes? Yeah,
I would, but I don't have a clathe and I haven't, but
I'm saying, you say to them, You're like, you know what,
you guys? Dry it. People do keep asking like would this work for
an album on Stara? Would this work for print Pink Princess? Would this
work for a Melano crisis? And it's like, Okay, honestly, this
is not the right approach for those plants you want them to dry more.
But you can also just change the substrate, use something super chunky and area
let it dry more. But it's ideal for plants that never want to dry
much. You know how I bought four African violets of the African Violet sale.
Yeah, well, the two that are in wine bottle planters thriving,
enormous blooming. One of them literally has the same flowers that it had when
we bought it at that sale. This month was that sale? Like was
that March? Oh? Yeah? April? April? Yeah, okay,
literally I have the same flower on one of those plants as it came with
in April. But the other two that I left in their pots, they're
not doing so hot. So they're going to go and wine model planters,
probably Saffernoon. All right, so maybe we'll get a wine club sponsorship.
Okay. It's an alarming number of wine bottles. Oh, and I will
put out there. Some people have commented, oh, if only I drink
wine. I have used maple syrup bottles. Yeah, I have used kombucha
bottles. Like, there's many bottles. I'm just saying wine because like that's
what we have. Brian. Now, I'm like collecting them. They're like
sitting on the counter, and he's like, do something with these, Like
I do I make wine mooddle planters regularly? He's like, but the bottles
are always there. I'm like that's because every time, like we were at
my parents' house, I was like, wine can I just like take these
wine bottles, and she's like, only if you bring me back a plant
and wh wow, Okay, we'll put the mandarin plant in one. Okay,
just don't say anything. Yeah, I should have taken a photo of
the African violet that she has. You can't see the foliage. It's just
this cloud of white flowers. It's amazing. I'll ever send me a photo
so that I can put it in our show notes. Maybe, Okay,
anything else, No, but I think that well, nothing else that I
specifically want to add as like an approach or something. But I feel like
we really did in April set ourselves out with this idea of like, we're
going to do better this year. We've learned some things. We've learned both
things about plants. We've also learned things about our plant parenthood or approaches,
what we get out of this hobby. We're getting close to feeling overwhelmed.
If our collections all died, would we be that sad? How are you
feeling now? Honestly, I feel like I'm kind of halfway there, Like
I've definitely made some improvement. Some sections of the collection feel much easier.
Yeah, but I really I'm not exactly where I want to be yet okay,
but hey, you know we're at the halfway mark. How about you.
It's a work in progress. It sounds like, yeah, it sounds
like you're seeing some good things, and yeah, I do have to admit
that I went through a couple of weeks ago, a few weeks ago by
this point, and I was just like, you look like shit. So
you're going outside, and you look like shit, so you're going outside.
So there's a bunch of plants that I just like vanished to the north side
of my house where they can either recover or die and whatever the solution is.
Fine, I've sunburned a few things. I'm at peace with it,
like I hope that some of them in particular make it through. But if
they don't, like it's okay. And that has taught me that I don't
need that plant in my life. If I can't, if it looks miserable
after a winter indoors, and if it doesn't perk up after summer outdoors,
it's just not the plant for me, unless I get a greenhouse at some
point. But I feel good because I have really been delivered about my pest
management. I have a really good routine of like I inspect the problem plants
and I spray them off in the sink or the shower. I treat them
with soap sprays. I feel like I'm actually really actually, I feel like
every few months I say this, but I feel like I'm knocking the mealy
Backs, well, mealy bugs back, well, mealy Back kind It's like
Nickelback or something. You know, mealy Back is the worst band Nickelback.
If you yeah, yeah, you thought that was bad. Yeah, oh,
but I will tell you two things I so to wrap up soon.
We're gonna but if you want a really tiny just snariad. When I sowed
those mandarin plant seeds, I also sowed some of the Vietnamese violet seeds.
I'm going to have approximately eighteen billion of them to share soon unless I prick
out a good nine tenths of them. So you can have some of those
if you would like the baby stagworn ferns. The yeah, I don't know
what you're gonna do with one, but you can have a trouble of those.
And I have enough wine bottle planters that are just like chilling in a
box in my closet right now that if you want one or two to try
something in. I'm happy to get you started with that. Okay, maybe
I think I have one from you from a long time ago. You have
like a cut off wine bottle that an allocations came in. Yeah, it's
just a bottle, but you like filled it with water. It's not like
the bottle top. It's only like one part of the two part system.
Yeah, okay, it was an early model. Yeah, it was not
like the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah, okay, Well I look forward
to those gifts. Yeah, we have. We have thoroughly come up with
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