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Pastor Bobby Leonard's recent sermon, where
he suggested that rape suspects should be acquitted

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if their victims were shorts, has
sparked intense backlash and condemnation. Despite the

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outcry, his subsequent apology, displayed
on a sign outside the church, has

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been met with skepticism. The sign, bearing a simple message of regret,

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falls short of addressing the deeper issues
raised by Leonard's remarks. Critics argue that

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such a passive response fails to acknowledge
the gravity of the situation and the need

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for meaningful accountability. As protests continue
and voices demand more than mere words,

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Leonard's apology via signage serves as a
stark reminder of the ongoing struggle for justice

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and recognition of survivor's experiences. This
story is from The Charlotte Observer by Mark

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Joe Marussak on February twenty six,
twenty four. And this is just so

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infuriating, So infidel, let's hear
from you first. Now, I was

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raised in a sect where pants were
a sin for women, So forget shorts.

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This idea she was asking for is
something unfortunately not new at all.

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I will say, though, that
one thing that really struck me beyond absurd

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was because a man's a man.
What kind of excuse is that? What

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does that say about Pastor Bobby Leonard? You know I've mentioned before that we

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can tell a pastor's porn preferences by
what they rail against. Well, I

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have to wonder what's going on inside
a pastor Bobby Leonard's mind that makes him

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think that sexual assault is something that
can so easily be excused, and not

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only excused, but essentially dismissed as
not sexual assault because he didn't just say

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that they were asking for, but
that he would vote to acquit them.

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To me, that's almost like saying
I hold somebody's arms down because whether they

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were wearing shorts. It's just a
complete level of dishonesty. But then again,

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maybe not just us at all,
because really this is just what we

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call purity culture now, but it's
without all the polish and spit and the

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right words and the guise of normalcy
that we see a lotted to purity cultures

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so often. Unfortunately, though,
I will say that, as you mentioned

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the apology on the billboard, that's
a pretty weak way to apologize. You

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would think that if you really realize
you said something wrong. You would do

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a little better than have somebody else
go out and put something up on a

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billboard. But this isn't new.
This is just another example of what we're

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seeing as an additional attack on women's
rights and women's right to control their own

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body, because, after all,
men will be men. A man's a

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man, and with that, I
have a lot more to say, and

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none of it very good, at
least not for a pastor Bobby Leonard.

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So I think it's time that I
go ahead and say, Kelly, what

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did you think about this? Yeah? You know, yeah, A man's

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a man, and I guess it's
a woman's a woman. So it's okay

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to assault them because they're wearing shorts, because you know, woman's a woman,

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right. What kind of excuse is
that? That's ridiculous? You know?

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And you know what I hear when
I hear this guy, when I

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hear Pastor Leonard say this, what
I hear is is that I would acquit

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this guy because this is something I
would do. This is something that I

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think I would be guilty of if
I when I see women with tight shorts,

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that's what I want to do to
them. So why should that be

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a bad thing? I'm doing it, I'm a pastor. Why is that

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a bad thing? You know?
And that's what really I think bothered me

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the most about this, because that's
kind of the way I heard this weighing

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out from his talk, and I
hear from theis all the time. We

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all have that you don't believe in
God, So where are your morals at?

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You must be out there murdering and
raping people, And I always have

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to seriously wonder is that what they
would be doing? Is that what they

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would be doing if they didn't believe
in God? And when you hear somebody

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like Pastor Leonard say something like this, you really really really have to wonder

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would you be out there, Pastor
Leonard? Would you be out there raping

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if you didn't believe in God?
Would you be I kind of have a

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feeling that you might. And I
think the only way to keep you in

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check is your belief in God.
So please, please, please keep believing

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in your God. Richard. Do
you want to take it? Well,

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I'm going to kind of go a
little sideways from you, Kelly and say

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that I think part of it the
problem is his belief in God. I

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don't know that he can do anything
about it short of leaving his religion or

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having some major reform, since Biblical
Christianity is so misogynistic that he will make

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similar mistakes over and over again.
Take for example, one Timothy to eleven

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fourteen. I quote, I permit
no woman to teach or to have authority

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over a man. She is to
keep silent end of quote. And then

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we have Genesis nineteen six through eight
where a lot takes a man into his

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house who's being chased by some people. They want to grab him, do

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whatever they want to do to him. Does he send him out? No,

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he sends out his two daughters,
virgin daughters, and they get ravaged.

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Basically, what the Old Testament says
is women are property, and so

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a women's a woman. These people
have this belief in the back of their

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heads. You know they're going to
think and they so. For people who

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think the Bible is an errant and
the word of God and they must follow

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it, they are objectively misogynists,
and they're going to think that doing stuff

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like that's okay. Onward, Dickie, where are you well, what is

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you going to say to that you
were you were quoting First Timothy there,

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and I want to rewind a little
bit, and I want to go to

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a couple of verses before what you're
reading. If we look at First Timothy

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two nine through ten, right,
they say likewise also that women should adorn

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themselves in respectable apparel with modesty and
self control, not with braided hair and

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gold or pearls are costly attire,
but with what is proper for women who

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profess godliness with good works. I
wonder you're saying some people follow the Bible.

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I wonder if he really does believe
in that, because I'm thinking that

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he wouldn't be voting to a quit
if the woman was wearing braided hair and

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gold or pearls or costly attire.
I'm wondering if he's being biblical enough.

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I mean, but Infidel, you
were talking about purity culture, right,

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and it's purity and modesty and all
of that kind of balled up into one.

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We don't just see this in Christianity
too. There's other parts of the

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world where throwing acid in a woman's
face is okay because she was being quote

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unquote immodest by daring to not cover
up her face with a veil in public.

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I mean it, it's treating women
as property, like we were saying.

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And I want to take a before
I pass it back off to Infidel,

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because I know you're chewing at the
bid here trying to get some more.

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But I want to look at his
apology here. Okay, So he

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put a sign on the or he
put an apology on the church sign,

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and he did say I was wrong. I got to give him credit for

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that. Okay, he did say
I was wrong. It wasn't It wasn't

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a very robust or believable really apology, but he did at least acknowledge that

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he did something wrong. I looked
up on the web here Taylorcounselinggroup dot com.

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They say they have five properties of
an important apology, or of a

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good apology, and a good apology, according to them, expresses regret.

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And so maybe he expressed regret here. He did say that he did something

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wrong, and that's the second step
there, accepting responsibility. Okay, making

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restitution. I think he's got a
ways to go on that. Okay.

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I'd like to hear him talk about
the way that he should have been talking

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about women. I want him to
talk about how what he said was wrong

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and why is it wrong and what
we should do instead. That's the third

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step. The fourth step, of
course, is generally genuinely promising change.

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Okay. So that's kind of the
a key step in an apology that's not

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really you know, it's not really
brought up that often. You know,

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apology you want to express regret,
you want to say you're sorry, you

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want to try to make things better, but you also want to commit to

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making a change in the future.
And I'm hearing nothing of that from uh,

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from you know, pastor I want
to say, Pastor Ricky, Bobby,

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Pastor Bobby Leonard. And then of
course the last thing is requesting forgiveness,

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okay, And so that's he wants. You need to make amends with

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the population that you've harmed and this
definitely is causing harm. And so you

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know, I'd like to see a
little bit more out of that. If

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he wants credit for being apologetic,
then I think he's going to have to

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step up his game a little bit. Infidel, what do you think.

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I think that Pastor Bobby Leonard is
more concerned about being wrong for getting exposed

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and the net get a publicity.
He's gotten definitely more than it is yes,

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rather than I've actually done something wrong. And that does go back to

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what Richard said earlier, because at
the end of the day, the Bible

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is extremely misogynistic. And as I
had mentioned earlier, I was raising a

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church where women couldn't wear pants,
couldn't wear a makeup, nobody could pierce

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their ears, couldn't even cut your
hair, not even triming. So with

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those types of you couldn't bread it
woo, that's crossing the line. That's

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I guess they were getting a little
modern. They were getting a little too

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modern. But when it comes down
to it, it really is. It

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does come back to this. Women
are property. Women should be silent and

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heard and not heard, but they
should they should listen and obey their husbands.

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You know, that's the regular routine. And that is what this guy

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believes. And so I don't care
how many signs he puts up there.

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And the truth is is, you
know, an eighty year old guy didn't

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go out there and put and put
up the sign outside of his church.

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He told somebody else to. So
that's just another level of having somebody else

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go out there and put your apology
in letters in front of your church that

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that that's even less of an apology. At least you could go out there

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and do it yourself. But also
on the flip side, I'm going to

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go out and gamble. I'm going
way out on the limb here and say

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that not a one of us here
in this panel has ever set out in

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the parking lot at the outlet mall
and sat and launch and counted the number

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of people wearing shorts, our skirts, our pants or whatever. And if

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you are, and I'm not speaking
to us, but if you're that type

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of person, my advice is go
seek counseling because there is a problem there.

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There is something wrong with your view
of the world. If you think

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that you need to verify and legitimize
your view by well, what were they

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wearing? If that ever comes up
in a conversation, then you've already lost.

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And that is something that for me, I can't get around. So

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if anyone ever thinks that, go
ahead, figure something out, because the

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problem is not the person wearing the
shorts. It's not the person who you

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think is wearing something too sexy for
your eyes to view. The problem is

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right there in between the ears.
If you want to look in the mirror.

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Yes, you found the problem.
It's you. So with that,

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Kelly, you said it was a
problem if you were out there counting.

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Is it okay if you're not counting. Look, I don't have any problem

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with you. Hey, if I
got it, I honestly I did not

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realize how much lustiness was exuded by
braided hair. I'm like, totally freaking

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out. I don't want to kink
shame the ancient Hebrews, but I'm just

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freaking out on that knowing fact there. So one of the things I really

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liked about the article was the one
protester that like them, that likened all

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the protesters to fruit inspectors. You
know, I got to chuckle out of

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that. You know. I guess
it was the idea that they were inspecting

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the pastor and he was a fruit. That that means so And I'm just

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thinking that was so close. I
mean, you were right there, you

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almost had it right. And and
I'm thinking I was thinking, to myself,

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at least the protest did one thing. If it didn't actually make him

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understand what he had done wrong,
it at least shamed him. And I

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don't think that was enough. That's
one of the things I wanted to ask

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everybody if they thought that was enough, and if not, what is something

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else that this that pastor Bobby can
do they make up for it. I

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know, Scott you kind of mentioned
some things that some ways to make up

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for it, but what are some
specific things do you think that he could

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do to make up for it?
Richard, Well, one of the things

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I wanted to respond to was the
was it five or six points that Scott

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mentioned? You know, you know
what's missing in that list getting to the

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source of what caused the problem.
You cannot make a change if you don't

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know where the problem's coming from.
And that's why I talked about the Bible

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stuff, because that's in his head. He's got, you know, eighty

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years of women's property, so he's
got a lot of work to do.

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The other thing that I thought was
really interesting about him saying if he was

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in court, he wouldn't he would
think. You know, about forty years

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ago I started being a lawyer,
and back then you could talk about that

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stuff in court, but about ten
years in most of the courts that I

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know of, particularly in California and
the more you know, sort of liberal

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states, you cannot mention when a
woman was rearing again in a rape trial.

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It's not allowed. You can't go
after her personally. That's irrelevant,

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you know, it's it's prejudicial.
And so that guy is way behind.

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Even with the way he's saying,
he would let him get out of it,

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because in most courts you wouldn't know
that it would not even be brought

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up. So it's just it's just
an interesting thing. And the other thing

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thing, I'll guess I'll close up
with here and send it back to the

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next person Scott, is that to
none of these guys that he's associated with

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and he's talking about have any self
discipline. I mean they just see a

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woman have to you know, I
mean, well men or men, Well,

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you know, I don't have that
problem. I don't need your So

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what's wrong with these guys? I
mean, you know, it's it's almost

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like I don't know, it's just
it's sad. And the last thing is,

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you know, if his all the
guys in his church believe this way,

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maybe the list of them should be
put up on the street corner with

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the list of sexual predators with a
sign saying women beware, because these guys

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if you wear shorts are coming after
you. Yeah, I've been able to

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make it well over half a century, and I believe you have too.

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You look like you're younger and I
am Richard, but I believe you have

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too. And I don't think you
learn one of us have had the desire

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to go assault the woman just because
she was wearing shorts. Right, No,

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I would never do that, So
Scott, Yeah, yeah, Kelly,

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you were asking about what would need
to what would what should he do?

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Right? How should he? How
should he fix things in it?

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And I think that if you listen
to what he says, and even if

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you read through the article. As
I was reading through the article, I

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was like, they're not addressing the
problem, right, they're not. He's

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blaming he's he's uh shaming women for
the way that they dress, you know,

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saying men are men like they're just
like the men are the victims here.

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And that's a ridiculous thing. That's
it's just utterly ridiculous for him to.

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Yeah, I mean he needs to
if he wants to have any kind

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of restitution or wants to show any
kind of genuine intent of changing, he

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needs to talk to the men in
his congregation and saying, no, you

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are the problems. It's not a
question of what somebody is wearing or how

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they're acting. What matters is you
and your self control. Okay, if

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you can't control yourself around other people, you're the problem. You need to

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you know, get a little bit
of self control or remove yourself from the

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situation. Okay. And so it's
it's you know, they're kind of softball

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in here saying oh, we got
it. You know he's this minister said

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something naughty. Oh no, but
he did put a sign up. You

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know, we need to you know, point things at at you know,

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at what the problem is. And
so if unless I hear Pastor Bobby Leonard

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started talking about that kind of thing, you know, to me, he's

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just falling well short of having a
legitimate apology or making any kind of positive

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change. He even said to his
congregants, he was like he knew as

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soon as he said it that he
that he struck a nerve there because he

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was like, well, I you
know, I know you're upset with what

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I said, but I'm right,
And he said, I don't want you

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going home to I don't want you
to be all depressed when you go home.

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I want you to go home empowered
and and what seriously, No,

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I'm going to go home and never
come back. That's what's happening because you

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aren't part of the problem. And
so unless he wants to change that,

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you know, it's just all going
to fall short. But I wanted to

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touch on a little bit of what
Infidol was saying about h sitting at the

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sitting at the outlet mall. I
thought that was kind of funny, but

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it was. It was a little
bit of funny, right smack dab in

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the middle of a lot of creepy. And so here's the quote that that

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was from he said. And this
is uh, this is quoted from a

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recording of his sermon that the Charlotte
Observer got. He said, I told

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my wife, this is the kind
of preaching we need. I told my

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wife, Mama, when we go
to Pigeon Forge, to the outlet mall

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here and sit in the parking lot, you'll find more women going to have

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shorts on than pants and dresses put
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yeah, like like we've said,
sitting at aola, that's your vacation.

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Time you go to an outlel you
sit a lot and counting people with shorts.

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I mean, come on, but
he calls his wife mama, and

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to me, that just rubs me
the wrong way. And you know,

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I've called my wife mom before it, but usually it's like in the context

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of when we're having a discussion with
the kids or something like that. I

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might be like, well, mom, and I think this, and you

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know, things like that. But
he was saying that he was he was

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using that as his normal reference to
his wife when he was talking to his

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congregants. You know, they're not
in part of his family. I don't

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know. It just seemed kind of
creepy. And it especially especially because it's

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nestled right in the middle of a
big steaming pile of misogyny. Right.

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He's dehumanizing and he's objectifying women,
and at the same time, he's using

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phrases like he might as well just
go straight to calling her breeding vessel.

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I mean, you know, why
take the shortcuts here? So you know,

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to close out my little bit here, I do have some advice for

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missus Bobby Leonard, and this is
I'm going to paraphrase the words of musician

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Glenn Danzig. Here he says,
Mama, tell your children not to walk

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his way. Tell your children not
to hear his words. What they mean,

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what they say, Mama, And
so follow that advice, Mama,

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infidel you know, one minute,
real quick. Yeah, One thing that

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I want to say is I found
the little irony in the fact that he

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ignored the fact that and I don't
agree with this scripture, but Jesus said

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that, you know, if someone
views a woman with luss that he's already

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sinned in his heart. So does
that negate the sin because they were dressed

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in a certain way. But I
do have a suggestion on solving this problem.

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Now, I'm sure that more than
a few of you have heard of

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Oedipus. Well, not the part
with his mom, but the part with

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poking is poking his eyes out.
Maybe maybe that's a solution for Bobby Leonard

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and people like him. Go ahead, go ahead and poke your eyes out,

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and Kelly take us away. There's
another solution that a urologist can take

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care of, the Bobbitt solution,
right, is that what you're talking about?

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No, a little lower eliminate the
testosterone, right right, right,

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right, Well, yeah, I
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