WEBVTT 1 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:33.799 Welcome back to the Path Went Chile. I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and 2 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:39.920 I'm Ashley. It's time to dive into this week's case. February tenth, 3 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:45.840 nineteen ninety Los Cruces, New Mexico, a pair of armed gunmen enter a 4 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:51.119 bowling alley called the Los Cruses Bowl and bring everyone into the manager's office. 5 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:55.880 After stealing money from the safe, the assailants fire several bullets into seven people 6 00:00:56.240 --> 00:01:00.920 before fleeing the scene. Three of the victims, thirty three year old Idah 7 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.840 hole Gean, thirty four year old Stephanie Senak, and her twelve year old 8 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:08.840 daughter Melissa Repass, managed to survive, but the four others, thirteen year 9 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:14.439 old Amy Hauser, twenty six year old Stephen Turan, his six year old 10 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:19.920 stepdaughter Paula Holgeen, and his two year old daughter Valerie Tehran, are pronounced 11 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:23.760 dead. While the crime generates a lot of publicity, the two perpetrators are 12 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:30.000 never caught and their true motive for the murders remains up for debate. After 13 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:34.239 that, the Path went chilly, So today we're going to explore a pretty 14 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:40.159 infamous cold case, the Los Crusius Bowling Alley massacre. This is undoubtedly one 15 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:44.159 of the most harrowing and senseless crimes we've ever covered on this podcast, as 16 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:47.840 it took place at a bowling alley and a total of seven people, four 17 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:51.840 of them children, were shot by two men during a robbery. Four of 18 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:53.959 the victims were killed, and while three of them managed to pull through, 19 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:59.560 one of the survivors wound up dying of complications from her injuries nine years later. 20 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:02.879 This case was a pretty big deal when it happened, as I remember 21 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:07.199 seeing it covered on a number of true crime shows, including Unsolved Mysteries and 22 00:02:07.240 --> 00:02:13.479 Americas Most Wanted, and the composite sketches of the two unidentified perpetrators were shown 23 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:17.599 everywhere. The story was also the subject of a documentary titled A Nightmare in 24 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:22.759 Los Crusis, which raised a lot of questions about the exact motive for this 25 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:27.240 crime. The total takeaway from the robbery was only a few thousand dollars, 26 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:31.319 but the gunman left some money behind and appeared to be searching for something else. 27 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:37.159 Given that they had no hesitation about firing bullets into every single person there, 28 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:40.039 including the children, you have to wonder if there's more to this story 29 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:46.400 besides a simple theft. After more than thirty years, investigators seemed no closer 30 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:51.120 to catching or identifying the perpetrators than they were back in nineteen ninety. So 31 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:53.680 I thought it would be a good idea for us to take a look at 32 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:59.120 this case. This one's really confusing because it does start like a typical robbery 33 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:02.879 where you have these gunmen going in, pushing people towards the safe, taking 34 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:07.560 money from the establishment where you would think there is a lot of cash transaction 35 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:12.080 at a bowling alley. But then when they turn the guns onto seven people 36 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:15.680 in the bowling alley, I'm assuming these are just guests. They're not employees 37 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:17.639 and their kids or anything like that. Right, Some of the this was 38 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:22.080 before the bowling alley opened, so some of them I'm employees, while others 39 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:25.439 are kids that were brought there by the employees. Oh that's so sad, 40 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:29.319 okay. See, So for me, once they start to open fire, 41 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:32.960 especially on the children, it's not like they're targeting an employee out of rage 42 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:38.319 or revenge or some disgruntled employee or anything like that. It seems as if 43 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:43.919 they just don't have a sense of care about human life. And so that's 44 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:47.280 where it really changes from a robbery where their behavior seems very lined out. 45 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:50.759 We're going to make sure we get people towards the safe, we're gonna get 46 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.199 the money, we're gonna leave. Maybe we would shoot an employee who's blocking 47 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:57.919 our way, But when they turn and they shoot these helpless children, it 48 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.680 just doesn't make any sense. Yeah, and this thing has haunted me for 49 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:05.159 so many years because I remember seeing it on TV on Unsolved Mysteries in America's 50 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:08.759 Most Wanted back in the day, and I just could not believe that these 51 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:12.719 two guys could do this to these children. It was like everyone's worst nightmare. 52 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:15.079 And we'll talk more about this, but the owner of the bowling alley 53 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:19.040 was not present that day, and there's always been speculation that perhaps these two 54 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:24.319 perpetrators might have had some sort of grudge against him. But after all these 55 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:27.680 years, they've just never been able to turn up any evidence to the motive, 56 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:30.560 even though they think it's something more than just a simple robbery. Well, 57 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:33.920 if it was revenge against the owner, you would think that they would 58 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:40.399 steal money, they might destroy property, they might do something to really cost 59 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:44.120 him significantly. If he had been there, they would kill him or her. 60 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:48.399 But they didn't. They didn't. They took some money and then they'd 61 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:51.879 turned the gun on these families. That just doesn't make any sense. They 62 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:55.839 didn't even just target the adults, which would have been more in line with 63 00:04:55.959 --> 00:05:00.439 a robbery or anger towards the bowling alley. But this is a family that 64 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:04.360 they're killing, So it just does it changes the perspective so much. Is 65 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:11.680 it possible that there was a target in the bowling alley and this attempt, 66 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:14.480 this making it look like it could have been a robbery gone wrong where they 67 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:19.800 just annihilated all these people. It was kind of subterfuge and they just killed 68 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:25.560 all of these other people to disguise who their primary target. Was certainly possible 69 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:29.319 because one of these seven victims could have been the primary target. But I 70 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.439 know that investigators have looked extensively into the backgrounds of all these people, and 71 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:38.079 most of them were just hard working, blue collar people with families who didn't 72 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:42.240 really have any known enemies. So if one of them was targeted, they 73 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:46.920 have no idea why. Our story begins in nineteen ninety in Las Crusis, 74 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:51.560 New Mexico, a town which is located forty five miles north of the Mexican 75 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:57.079 border and had a population of around fifty seven thousand people at this time. 76 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:00.639 Our crime takes place at a local bowling alley known as the Los Cruses Bowl, 77 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:05.920 located at twelve oh one East Amador Avenue. The current owner is a 78 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:11.600 man named Ron Seenac who built it six years earlier, and his thirty four 79 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.800 year old daughter, Stephanie Seenak, is the daytime manager. On the morning 80 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:18.879 of Saturday, February tenth, the alley was not scheduled to open for business 81 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:24.720 until nine am, but a number of people were already there one hour beforehand, 82 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:29.160 including Stephanie Seenak, who was adding up the previous night's receipts in her 83 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.720 office. Stephanie was joined by her twelve year old daughter, Melissa Repass, 84 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:38.639 and Melissa's thirteen year old friend, Amy Hawser, who was planning to supervise 85 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:42.920 the alley's daycare that day. The alley's thirty three year old snack bar cook, 86 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:46.199 Idaho Geen, a mother of four who'd been employed there for six years, 87 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:51.160 was also working inside the kitchen. However, at around eight twenty am, 88 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:56.160 Melissa and Amy were about to get food from the vending machine when they 89 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:00.600 were surprised to discover two armed gunmen carrying twenty two Oliver pistols had come through 90 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:05.160 and unlocked the front doors. They would both later be described as Hispanic males, 91 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:10.199 one of whoms boarded a mustache and appeared to be in his late twenties 92 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:15.600 or early thirties and spoke perfect English with no detectable accent. The other man 93 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.399 looked like he was in his late forties or early fifties and spoke English with 94 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:24.360 a slight Spanish accent. While the older man led the two girls in Stephanie's 95 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:28.480 office, the younger man rounded up Ida from the kitchen and brought her into 96 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:32.120 the office as well. After the men ordered Stephanie to open up the safe, 97 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:35.800 the four victims were forced to lie down on the floor with their heads 98 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:40.439 down while the younger man proceeded to take the money out of the safe and 99 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:45.879 place it inside a briefcase. However, it wasn't long before everyone However, 100 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:49.399 it wasn't long before everyone was surprised by the unexpected appearance of three other people 101 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:54.319 inside the office. One of them was twenty six year old Stephen Turan, 102 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:58.240 who worked as the alley's mechanic, and he was accompanied by his two year 103 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:03.360 old daughter Valerie Tran and his six year old stepdaughter, Paula Holgeen. Paula 104 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:07.680 was not related to Idaho Geen, but her biological father just happened to be 105 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:13.199 Stephanie Senak's current boyfriend. Stephen had gotten married to Paula's mother, Audrey Turan, 106 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.120 on New Year's Eve in nineteen eighty six, before they eventually had their 107 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:20.639 own child, Valerie together. Stephen also worked as a commander in chief for 108 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:26.920 the Army National Guard and had recently graduated from New Mexico State University with a 109 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:31.839 Bachelor of Sciences and Criminal Justice. Weeks earlier, he gave his notice to 110 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:35.799 Los Cruse's Bowl and only had three days left to work there as he was 111 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.080 planning to take the entrance exam for the Los Cruse's Police Department the following month. 112 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:45.039 On this particular morning, Audrey was taking a class at Cosmatology school, 113 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.240 and since Stephen was unable to find a babysitter for Paula and Valerie, he 114 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:52.279 brought them to the Bowling Alley in order to leave them at the daycare. 115 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:56.639 When Stephen entered the building with the two girls, he immediately took them to 116 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:01.240 Stephanie's office, completely unaware that a crime was taking place. When he walked 117 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:05.919 inside, the gunmen immediately forced Stephen, Paula, and Valerie onto the floor 118 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:09.559 alongside everyone else. Once they finished what they were doing, the two men 119 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:13.240 proceeded to fire over twenty five bullets into the heads of all seven of the 120 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:18.120 victim's execution style. They then made an attempt to set fire to the office 121 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:22.759 by lighting up some papers on the desk before fleeing the scene. Oh my 122 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:26.480 gosh. First of all, when you look at the age of the perpetrators, 123 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.480 to me, they're older than I would have expected. I was thinking 124 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:35.679 these were late teens, twenties, and they were in this kind of panic, 125 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.559 and maybe they opened fire to get rid of any witnesses. But this 126 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:45.039 is so methodical that you already had four of the individuals lying on the ground 127 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:48.240 while they're going through the safe and they're getting money out and they're putting that 128 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:52.159 away. They're surprised by Stephen and these two itty bitty children, and they 129 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:54.919 have Stephen and the kids lay on the floor as well. So in that 130 00:09:56.080 --> 00:10:00.159 moment, you know those seven victims are the adults at least, and the 131 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.000 older kids are thinking we're okay, we're doing what they said. We're down 132 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.960 on the floor, we can't see them. They're going to take their money, 133 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:11.440 and they're going to leave, and then they shoot at them in a 134 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:15.720 manner that says none of them are going to live. That's their ultimate goal. 135 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:20.360 They shot what you said twenty five times into the heads of these seven 136 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:26.879 individuals and kids and babies, and then they leave. But before they do 137 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.440 that, they try to set it on fire to destroy all evidence. That's 138 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:33.639 way more sinister and scary than what I thought when you first described it. 139 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:37.200 I thought they were running out and just turn around and open fire kind of 140 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:41.679 chaotically. But it was very planned. It was very strategic. Yeah, 141 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:46.519 it definitely seemed calculated, and I get the sense they were completely thrown off 142 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.039 when Steven and his two children just suddenly showed up in the office. I 143 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.080 mean, I think they were playing you to kill the four victims that were 144 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.559 already there anyway, But I think they were just You would think that most 145 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:58.320 people, if they were faced with like a six year old and a two 146 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.840 year old, they might think twice saying, okay, shooting these two little 147 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.879 children is just taking things too far. But it sounded like they did not 148 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:09.480 hesitate at all. They just decided, we're going to kill everyone in the 149 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:11.399 office. And you can tell that it was just a lot more than a 150 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:16.960 robbery because they wanted to make sure that everyone was dead even though they only 151 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.480 got a few thousand dollars, And they were also deciding to set fire to 152 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:24.840 the office, which is major overkill. So it definitely it does not seem 153 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:26.559 like these were two guys who came in there with no idea what they were 154 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:31.919 doing. It sounded like a very calculated plan, and as if maybe this 155 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:35.320 wasn't the first time that they had done something. Maybe not with the killings 156 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:37.600 and things like that, but it seems like they knew when we go in 157 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:41.279 there, we're going to get the money. We're going to make sure that 158 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.399 we get away without getting caught. And that's part of that older age I 159 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.840 think as well, where they say, we have so much at risk at 160 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.600 this point, we're getting this money and no one's going to be able to 161 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:56.480 say what we did. Did anybody describe these men as being under the influence 162 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:58.679 or did they seem like they were totally lucid? As far as I can 163 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:03.440 tell, there wasn't anything off about them. They just sounded very like professional 164 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:07.480 and calculated. None of the surviving witnesses said that they sounded like they were 165 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.799 on drugs or under the influence er alcohol or anything. So you get the 166 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:15.600 sense that they knew exactly what they were doing and were just very cold blooded 167 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:20.960 people. So it wasn't likely born out of desperation where somebody was, you 168 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.360 know, feeding their substance use disorder. This is very calculated and methodical. 169 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:30.960 Somebody was likely the target and the money was just like a byproduct of whatever 170 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:33.840 their objective was. I think so because as we're going to talk about, 171 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:37.879 some money was left behind, and I think if this was desperate people who 172 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.559 had substance abuse disorders, they would have taken all the money because they would 173 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:46.440 desperately need it. But they seemed to think it was like a second priority. 174 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:50.200 What's interesting is I wonder you know where that leftover money was, because 175 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:54.960 if these are people that had any inside knowledge of the Bowling Alley, they 176 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:58.679 would know what the income was for the previous day, or what kind of 177 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:03.120 cap, what kind of deposit strategies these people had, and so if they 178 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.559 had knowledge of where the money was, it's odd that they left it behind. 179 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:09.879 But if you know there's money in the safe, and then let's say 180 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:13.519 there's money in the cash registers and stuff like that, and they didn't check 181 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:18.200 that they had the ability to shoot these seven individuals and try to light the 182 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:22.559 office on fire. What would have stopped them from shooting these seven and taking 183 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.159 their time to go around the bowling Alley. They could have locked the front 184 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:31.039 doors and taken as much time as they wanted. I guess they also knew 185 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:33.000 when the Bowling Alley opened, though, and they knew they only had a 186 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:37.720 short way of a time before guests might start coming from the public. One 187 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:43.000 thing I would say is I think it isn't very likely that most of the 188 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.120 employees there knew how much money was being made and where the money was being 189 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.679 kept, just because way back I used to manage a restaurant. I used 190 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:56.720 to do night managing, and I remember unless you were a manager, you 191 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:00.240 didn't know the types of totals that the restaurant made that day, and you 192 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:05.240 also wouldn't know where the money was kept. So I'm just assuming the biggest 193 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:09.519 I'm shure on my part that the Bowling Alley was likely run in a similar 194 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:13.159 capacity you'd have the manager or the owner who would know where those cash deposits 195 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:16.759 were, and maybe their assistant or like a couple other people, but like 196 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.399 the people who were, you know, handing over the shoes or you know, 197 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:22.919 cleaning the balls, they might not have any knowledge. So you could 198 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.320 have a situation where somebody did have some inside knowledge, but they might not 199 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.360 have known where the money was. I do think that if any of the 200 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:35.159 employees did know, it would have been Stephanie Sinak because she was the daughter 201 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:37.919 of the owner and the daytime manager, so it's possible that she knew. 202 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.399 But from what I can tell is that some of this money left behind was 203 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:45.600 not hidden anywhere. It was out there in plain sight, and that for 204 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:50.799 whatever reason, whoever did this decided not to take it with them. Well. 205 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.600 Incredibly, even though she was shot five times, Melissa was still alive 206 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.840 as she had wrapped her arms around her head to protect herself, and one 207 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:03.039 of the bullets wound up smashing two of her fingers. Melissa managed to make 208 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:07.799 it to the office phone and call nine one one at eight twenty nine am. 209 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:11.480 It wasn't long before emergency services arrived to the scene put out the fire 210 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:16.360 in the office and provided a medical attention for the seven victims. Remarkably, 211 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:22.639 not only had Melissa survived her wounds, but her mother, Stephanie and Idaholgeen 212 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.559 were also still alive, so they were immediately rushed to the hospital and managed 213 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:31.919 to pull through. But tragically, Amy Hauser, Stephen Tehran, and Paula 214 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.679 Holgeen were all pronounced dead at the scene, and even though Valerie Tehran was 215 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:41.120 taken to the hospital, she died about forty five minutes later. When Audrey 216 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:46.159 Tran learned about what happened and rushed to the scene, she was informed that 217 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:50.679 her husband and both of her daughters had been shot. Think about that poor 218 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:58.879 family. That her husband was working so hard as a father and as a 219 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:03.679 husband to get his degree, which is really hard when you have your own 220 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.000 family, right, and you're not a traditional young student. He had graduated, 221 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:11.720 He had already put in his notice at the Bowling Alley three more days, 222 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.799 I believe you said, and he was going to leave so that he 223 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.159 could get ready to take the test and test for admission into the local police 224 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:23.000 department. This is a man who's working so desperately hard to provide a good 225 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:26.840 life for his kids and his wife. His wife's doing the exact same thing. 226 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:32.559 Remember, she was taking a test or working at the cosmetology school that 227 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:36.720 day, and she couldn't take the kids. She was trying to also better 228 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:40.480 her career. And Hubi says, that's okay, We've got the daycare at 229 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:42.279 the bowling Alley. I'll take the girls up there. They're used to all 230 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:47.759 those people, and so this is a normal day while they're gearing up for 231 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:52.000 an amazing future as a family. And she shows up. Right here comes 232 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:56.120 Audrey. She comes up and not only have they been hurt, but she 233 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:02.840 learns that her husband and both of their children and are deceased. I can't 234 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:06.480 even fathom what that would be like. You had so much promise, you 235 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:10.440 had so much hope. You've got these two innocent little babies and your husband, 236 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:14.880 and your whole life changes in that instant, everything's been taken away from 237 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:18.960 her. What makes it even worse is that there is actually live footage of 238 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.039 Audrey being informed about the murders of her husband and her daughters. That's shown 239 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:26.680 in the Nightmare in Los Cruse's documentary. So I've watched her break down the 240 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.319 footage of it, and it is one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever 241 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.880 seen, to find out that you've had your entire family wiped out in the 242 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.839 course of one morning. Unfortunately, since the fire department were forced to dowse 243 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.599 the flames inside Stephanie's office when they first arrived at the scene, they may 244 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:47.000 have destroyed potential evidence. While the two gunmen did not wear gloves when they 245 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:49.920 committed the crime, the building was a public bowling alley which was frequented by 246 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:53.599 many people, so it was difficult to determine if any of the fingerprints found 247 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:57.880 at the scene belonged to the perpetrators. Oddly, even though they took between 248 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:02.680 four and five thousand dollars in cash from the safe, they still left an 249 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:06.920 undisclosed amount of money behind, and the surviving victims would later state that the 250 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:11.920 gunmen appeared to have been searching for something else inside the office cabinets before they 251 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:15.960 even opened the safe. Since there were survivors, they were able to provide 252 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:19.240 detailed descriptions of the attackers, but it turned out that there were other witnesses 253 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.880 who had seen them that morning, including Stephanie Senac's brother, Steve Senac. 254 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:27.640 Steve was on his way to school that morning, but stopped by the bowling 255 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:32.839 alley because he had left his backpack in the office the night before. When 256 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:36.559 he first entered the building, Steve was surprised that Stephanie had left the front 257 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:41.160 doors unlocked and mentioned this tour when he grabbed his backpack. When Steve left 258 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.480 at around eight fifteen am, he claimed he saw two Hispanic men walking from 259 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:48.039 the back of the building towards the front, and that the older man handed 260 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:52.640 his partner a small briefcase. It was apparent that these men committed the crime 261 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:57.960 only minutes after Steve drove away, and other witnesses report seeing two men matching 262 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:03.559 their description running across Amidor Avenue that morning. By two thirty pm, law 263 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:07.359 enforcement had set up roadblocks to check all motorists who were driving out of Los 264 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:12.160 Crucis. At one point, they pulled over a vehicle containing four individuals who 265 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:17.440 were carrying twelve hundred dollars in cash. Steve was brought to the scene and 266 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:19.839 asked to identify them, but said that none of these individuals were the men 267 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:25.440 he had seen outside Los Cruse's bull In spite of these roadblocks, police were 268 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:30.000 unable to find the two perpetrators, and composite sketches of them were eventually circulated 269 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:33.359 by the media. But it is so hard is exactly what you said when 270 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.480 you're inside that bowling alley. Yes, evidence was destroyed, but any other 271 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:41.200 evidence that would have been left around, any kind of forensic evidence, any 272 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:47.160 kind of fingerprints. There's hundreds upon hundreds of people who go through that bowling 273 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:52.160 alley every week, even with a dedicated team, I don't think bowling alleys 274 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.519 are always the cleanest right that you have that where you're going to be able 275 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.720 to have a fresh slate and start over. It would have so much material 276 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.880 there from everyday guests who are at the bowling alley, from the employees there, 277 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:08.079 it would have been nearly impossible to say, oh, these are a 278 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.960 unique set of fingerprints, this is a unique here. This is you know, 279 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:15.720 even a piece of clothing that could have been left because people leave their 280 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:21.000 things at the bowling alley. So you have that problem. But you also 281 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:26.279 have a very very generic description. A Hispanic man in his thirties or forties, 282 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:30.960 a Hispanic man in his twenties or thirties or thirties and forties, whatever, 283 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:36.559 that's it, with a mustache, so that's twenty five percent of the 284 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:40.039 Hispanic men they would have pulled over while they were looking for people, So 285 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:45.960 it really does leave them with a massive question mark. But the eeriness that 286 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:51.839 Steve was in the building with these men and that people saw them run across 287 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:55.759 the street. It's pitiful because everybody was so close to being able to either 288 00:20:55.799 --> 00:21:00.200 provide an amazing description or actually help police apprehend them, and they just vanished. 289 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:03.279 And I don't mean to make light of the whole situation, but the 290 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.599 composite sketches of the two men have been available online for the past thirty years, 291 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:11.640 and whenever someone sees them they always joke about how the man and the 292 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:15.240 mustache is like a dead raer for Eddie Murphy. I mean, he looks 293 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.000 exactly like him, so you can tell how this is not helpful. He 294 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:22.240 just kind of looks like your generic dark skinned man with a mustache. Yeah, 295 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:26.319 exactly. When you hear you be on the lookout for a white man 296 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:29.680 in a white T shirt and blue jeans, you go, that helps none, 297 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:33.480 right there, just doesn't help us at all know who to look for. 298 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:38.799 The community was left absolutely devastated by the crime, and when the Tehran 299 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:44.160 family was laid to rest at their funeral a few days later, the bishop 300 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:48.839 presiding over the service stated quote, this was not an act of God. 301 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.279 It was an act of evil, evil men. End quote. The case 302 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.400 received nationwide attention, and it was featured on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, 303 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:00.599 which aret in April twenty fifth, just two and a half months after the 304 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.240 crime took place, and it wound up generating around three hundred phone calls from 305 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:10.440 viewers. America's Most Wanted also featured the story, and since it was never 306 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:15.400 solved, the show would continually produce new segments about the crime on multiple occasions 307 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:19.799 over the years. Even though Los Crucis Bull owner Ron Senak actually lived inside 308 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:25.359 his establishment, he'd been away on a weekend golfing trip to Tucson, Arizona, 309 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:27.680 on the day of the murders. In spite of the fact that his 310 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:33.079 own daughter was shot, Ron surprised everyone by reopening the bowling alley for business 311 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.960 only one week after the crime took place. He stated, quote, life 312 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:42.119 is for the living. Were determined not to allow this insane act of two 313 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:48.880 individuals to permanently alter the lifestyle of the community. End quote. However, 314 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.839 later that year, Ron would run into financial problems and Los Cruci's bull was 315 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:57.559 sold in a court ordered auction and renamed Sun Lanes. Ron would soon move 316 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:02.119 away from the area, claiming that the police had often treated him like a 317 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:07.279 suspect whenever they interrogated him. Indeed, rumors always circulated that Ron spent money 318 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:11.279 foolishly, was often out of town, and may have been involved in shady 319 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:17.920 business deals with shady characters. However, he was thoroughly investigated by law enforcement 320 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.240 who were unable to find any evidence that he had knowledge or involvement in the 321 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:26.960 crime or that he was engaged in illegal activity. As soon as you mentioned 322 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:32.279 that Ron had that he had financial problems, I initially thought, Okay, 323 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:36.240 is there a way that he could be involved with illegal activity? Could he 324 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:41.599 be making deals with people financially that weren't able to be fulfilled And in that 325 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:45.440 case, would somebody be out for revenge or for you to claim money or 326 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:49.359 to get something from his bowling alley. Now, if that was the case, 327 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:52.720 you would think that Ron was the first person who had come forward to 328 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.400 the police and say I'm not proud of this, but here's my concern. 329 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:00.599 I had this deal with this person. I had a drug deal going bad 330 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:04.839 with this person. I had sold false items to this person. I need 331 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:08.519 help. I think it's one of these people. And without him coming forward 332 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:11.240 with that kind of information, it does lead police saying we're going to try 333 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:15.119 to prove or disprove that maybe he has something to do with it, and 334 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.400 then that's a dead end for them as well. Yeah, I was thinking 335 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:22.319 that, like, maybe if Ron was involved in something illegal, he would 336 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.000 still keep his mouth shut for fear that even though people were shot and his 337 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:27.799 life might be in danger, he might figure that he was going to get 338 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:32.519 into a bunch of trouble if he came clean about everything. But I would 339 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:36.119 like to think that if he knew something, he would have said something because 340 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:40.359 his own daughter was shot and badly wounded. Yet he still maintained, like 341 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:42.559 over the course of the next thirty years that he had no idea who did 342 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:47.720 this, And like we just said, even though I personally had suspicions about 343 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:49.799 him when I first heard about Ron, when I watched The Nightmare and Los 344 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:55.279 Crusis documentary, law enforcement is pretty adamant they have not found anything in his 345 00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:59.279 background to suggests that he was involved in anything illegal. Or that he might 346 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:03.079 have had knowledge about who actually committed this crime, though it is tempting to 347 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:08.240 think that given the circumstances, and although it's not a good look when multiple 348 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:14.319 people have been murdered inside your establishment and your daughter's been shot that you open 349 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:18.440 after a week, but it could have been due to financial desperation. If 350 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:23.240 he was really in dire straits financially, he may have been forced to open 351 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:27.400 up and to try to generate some kind of income. But as a result, 352 00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:32.319 it made him look really suspicious, because it's like, you're sure moving 353 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:36.519 on quickly when the community is still mourning and you're saying life is for the 354 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:40.519 living, but people haven't fully grieved, and I'm sure some of the funerals 355 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:45.000 haven't even happened yet, so it seems a little bit quick. But if 356 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.759 your feet are being held to the fire, you've got bills to pay, 357 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:52.319 then maybe it kind of forced his hand into doing that. And I'll tell 358 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:55.960 you too, from a grief perspective, I think people handle things differently and 359 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:00.559 they want to cope with things differently. We just had a officer shooting in 360 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:04.559 my town and it resulted in the death of a man at a bar and 361 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:10.200 the next day the bar opened, and the community was kind of like, 362 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:12.880 wait, why is the bar opened because someone died there last night. And 363 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:17.599 they said, this is a place where people come to be happy and find 364 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:19.359 joy and peace, and so we're going to be open today for people who 365 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:23.720 knew him and provide this kind of place where they can come remember him and 366 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:27.519 be happy in a moment of grief. And so there was so much confusion, 367 00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:30.799 and that was the talk of the town that day. But they were 368 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:36.359 very public about we will be open and here's why. I don't always understand 369 00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:38.200 what people do. But there could have been something like that too, where 370 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.440 he said this is a place where community comes to be safe, and I'm 371 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.519 going to try to keep that where this was two evil men who came in 372 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:47.839 here. This is not what happens at a bowling alley. This is not 373 00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:51.559 what happens when you come into our family establishment. So we're going to pretend 374 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:55.680 like this is a safe, happy place where people come to make memories and 375 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:59.359 not remember it as a place where people lost their lives. I'm probably more 376 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:03.319 inclined to think it a more financial move for him, but it's possible that 377 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:07.759 was also a motivation it's an important point. I think you can't put grief 378 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.880 in a box. And I think we so often want to say what should 379 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:15.200 be a typical response to grief, But it isn't this thing where you can 380 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.200 go, Okay, well, somebody isn't behaving in a way that I think 381 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.680 they should be behaving. And I think we've learned so much with even just 382 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:23.559 for example, with nine to one one calls. We see people, oh, 383 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:26.920 that person acted suspiciously on the call, and then we later find out 384 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.839 they were innocent, that they had nothing to do with it, And I 385 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.319 think it just shows that we really can't evaluate if somebody else is grieving properly. 386 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:40.200 And I do think your point about raw and possibly reopening the Bowling Alley 387 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:44.240 out of financial desperation does make a lot of sense, because even if he 388 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:48.400 was already experiencing financial problems, that he's already had four to five thousand dollars 389 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:51.759 stolen. I don't know how long it would take insurance to pay out if 390 00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:55.559 you've had money stolen during a robbery, but he behaven thinking to himself, 391 00:27:55.920 --> 00:28:00.440 if I keep this place closed for much longer, it's going to financially ruined 392 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.720 me. So even though it might not seem like the most sensitive thing to 393 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.519 do. I probably have to reopen and generate some income, so that could 394 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.400 have been his motivating factor for doing so, And for all we know, 395 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.440 later a month later or two months later, when he has to sell or 396 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:19.119 gets the Bowling Alley taken away from him, it could have been because he 397 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.200 doesn't he can't make his loan, or he can't do something like that because 398 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.839 it is a place where people were just killed. So there is a possibly 399 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.599 that even though they reopened, he wasn't bringing in money anyway. Suspicion would 400 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:34.880 also be directed towards Ron's youngest son, RJ Snak, who worked as a 401 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:38.640 bartender at Los Cruce's Bowl but was not present on the day of the crime. 402 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:44.359 There were rumors that RJ had a cocaine addiction and performed drug transactions at 403 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:48.519 the Bowling Alley, and the investigators would describe him as being very distant when 404 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:52.480 he was questioned, but they also failed to turn up any evidence to suggest 405 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:56.000 that RJ was linked to the murders, and he would dive an allege drug 406 00:28:56.039 --> 00:29:00.440 overdose in May of nineteen ninety seven. As for Stephanie Senak, while she 407 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:04.079 survived the shooting, she was never the same and suffered from serious post traumatic 408 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:08.720 stress disorder. Stephanie rarely ever left her home, and on one occasion in 409 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:12.440 which she did venture out to attend a parade, she heard a noise which 410 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:18.240 sounded like a gunshot, causing her to freak out and start screaming. Stephanie 411 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.519 would pass away due to complications from her injuries in August of nineteen ninety nine. 412 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:27.440 What a sad tragedy for Ron's family too. Here you have. Not 413 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:32.079 only was his daughter's shot, she did survive, but later passes away about 414 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:36.720 nine years after the crime. His son also dies from an alleged drug overdose 415 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:42.079 two years before Stephanie's death. But if it was related to RJ's drug use, 416 00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:48.119 it is possible that RJ has no knowledge or idea that it has something 417 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.519 to do with him, So he's acting aloof or distant because he's saying, 418 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.599 I have nothing to do with this, I didn't cause this. But those 419 00:29:55.720 --> 00:30:00.599 people that came looking for RJ that day might have thought there were drug located 420 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.759 in that facility. They might have thought that there was something that RJ owed 421 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.960 them, and RJ might be oblivious to all of that. So it is 422 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.680 possible that they were out for revenge because of some drug deal gone wrong and 423 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.359 RJ just simply didn't know. But wouldn't you tell the person you're trying to 424 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:21.559 get revenge agains that you're responsible, so it then scares them into paying you 425 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:25.960 back whatever they owed you. I guess it would depend on the circumstances because 426 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.160 this was a pretty high profile of crime, So it's possible that the perpetrators 427 00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.359 were feeling, well, we wanted to send a message to RJ, but 428 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:36.519 now we have all this attention and all these people trying to catch us, 429 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.960 So maybe we should just let it slide and stay underground, because if we 430 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:44.119 try to contact RJ again, that might lead to us being caught or they 431 00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:47.839 say the message is loud and clear, I just destroyed your family, people 432 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:51.359 that y'all cared about, and your father's business, Like that's enough revenge for 433 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.960 us over a small drug debt or a lie you told us as your drug 434 00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.880 dealers or things like that. And I think it's possible if he knew that 435 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:02.880 it was people associated with him due to a drug debt, that he might 436 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.599 just internalize that and he's not going to share that with anybody, because you 437 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:11.839 know the type of catastrophic damage these people can cause, So you'd be worried 438 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:17.119 about bodily harm that could come to you or anybody else in your family who's 439 00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:21.039 left, because at that point, his dad's around and his sister has survived, 440 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.480 so he may just keep his mouth shut because he worries, well, 441 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.160 what else could they do if I decide to open my mouth and sing like 442 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:33.640 a canary. Another potential lead was provided by a woman named Irma Tirna, 443 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.480 who allegedly made a comment in a bar about how the day of the crime, 444 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:42.359 she'd encountered two men who matched the description of the shooters. These men 445 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:47.039 wound up staying at ti Arena's residence. At one point, one of them 446 00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:52.200 heard police helicopters flying overhead and said, quote were under their noses and they 447 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.640 don't even know it end quote. Te Arena, who had her own history 448 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.480 of drug usage, seemed to believe that the two men had gone to Las 449 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:05.519 Cruse's bull because they believed a large stash of narcotics was there, but they 450 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.240 ultimately found nothing. Ti Arena was questioned by police and passed a polygraph, 451 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:14.960 but when she was later revisited by one of the detectives, she suddenly recounted 452 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:19.759 her story. Ti Arena wound up passing away of an accidental drug overdose in 453 00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:23.519 May of two thousand and one, and her story was never substantiated. I 454 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:28.640 know that Irma has a drug issue, but this is one of the most 455 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.559 kind of spot on leads that we've heard so far. Right, everybody else 456 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:36.160 just described as kind of basic. Oh, there's these two Hispanic men. 457 00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.559 Oh, I saw these two Hispanic running. This is someone who's saying, 458 00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:45.200 these are other drug users dealers that came to my home. I heard the 459 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:50.759 commotion. I can link them to the commotion caused by the shooting. They're 460 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:52.519 talking about the crime, and they thought they were going to get to go 461 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:57.920 in there and recover narcotics and get money. That's what As soon as you 462 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.400 talked about RJ, the son of the own, having an issue with drugs, 463 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:07.279 I could easily see this being accurate. Yes, she recants, could 464 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.799 be because she's very scared or paranoid because of her drug use, or because 465 00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:15.920 she truly does know the magnitude of the kind of people she hangs out with. 466 00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:20.920 But unfortunately she passes away. So there's no way to even requestion her 467 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:22.319 about this or go back and say, Okay, yes, you took your 468 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:28.079 story back, but we have these innocent children who died. We need your 469 00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.440 help, help us, and we'll protect you. That can't be done. 470 00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:34.960 And the part about the story which is kind of weird is that I assume 471 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.440 that Tiarina never learned these men's names because she didn't share them with law enforcement. 472 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:42.599 So she makes it sound like she just has a chance encounter with these 473 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.279 men on the day of the murders and invited them back to her residence, 474 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:49.400 even though she didn't even know who they are, which seems kind of odd. 475 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.720 But I guess if she has addiction issues, or maybe they thought they 476 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.480 were going to have drugs together, maybe that's why she invited them back. 477 00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:59.640 But that would be pretty terrifying though. If she didn't know who these guys 478 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:04.079 were and realizes after the fact that they were responsible for shooting all these people 479 00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.480 at the Bowling Alley, it could just be a trap house or like a 480 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:14.000 kind of user den where people who use drugs in that area know that her 481 00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.000 house is one of those places you can go, or she invites, like 482 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:21.760 you said, anybody who is in that world over because of her own addiction, 483 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.480 and doesn't I mean, do you really know all of the characters in 484 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.639 that scene. When you have an addiction that's so desperate, you'll feed it. 485 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:32.239 And a lot of people would go by their street names, they might 486 00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:37.280 not go by their legal government name exactly. Yeah, So if she did 487 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.599 provide any names to law enforcement, it sounds like they've never released that to 488 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.960 the public. So in twenty ten, filmmaker Charlie Minn produced a feature length 489 00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:51.679 documentary about the case, titled A Nightmare and Los Crusis, which was released 490 00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:55.280 following the twentieth anniversary of the crime. It contained interviews with a number of 491 00:34:55.280 --> 00:35:00.320 people associated with the case, including the two surviving victims, Melissa Repass and 492 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:06.000 Ida Holgeen. The year after the crime took place, Melissa was awarded the 493 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.679 g I. Joe Real American Hero Award for her courageous actions and received a 494 00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:14.960 plaque medal, a box full of toys, and an all expenses paid trip 495 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:19.360 to Washington, d c. She would eventually get married and have two children. 496 00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:23.280 Idah Holgeen spent three months in the hospital recovering from the shooting and had 497 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:28.920 to relearn simple tacts and had to relearn simple pass all over again. She 498 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.840 completely forgot how to cook and when she returned home, Ida did not even 499 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:37.320 recognize the place. Ida has been unable to work since the shooting and has 500 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:43.280 to take several different medications to deal with her constant headaches and PTSD. However, 501 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.559 Ida believes that she saw the two perpetrators at Las Cruce's Bowl on what 502 00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:52.440 occasion prior to the shooting. She remembers that they never went bowling or used 503 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.320 any of the ali's services, and just sat at a table watching everybody. 504 00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:00.280 Indeed, other witnesses have recalled seeing these two men at the alley at some 505 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:07.440 point that is so scary because their behavior is just that they're sitting there casing 506 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:12.440 the place. They're studying employee behavior, they're studying who's at the bowling alley. 507 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:17.039 They're strategizing where rooms are located and what they could get out of this 508 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:22.599 facility. And then they come back and they create this chaos and trauma, 509 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:28.960 and you take these lives of this family that has so much going for him. 510 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:36.239 It's it's horrifying. I love that Melissa gets this kind of second act 511 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.360 where she has the trauma that's never going to go away, but she's able 512 00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:44.760 to say, look, I have a second chapter to live, right My 513 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.280 life didn't end that day, and so I'm going to live it with purpose. 514 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:50.840 And you see that with the way that she goes to Washington, see 515 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.920 gets this honor for being the person who is able to contact law enforcement and 516 00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:58.960 get help for the survivors. And then she goes on and she gets married 517 00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:04.239 and has two kids. Ida, your heart breaks for her because she didn't 518 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:09.440 have the same physical or mental health to be able to have a full second 519 00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:15.239 chapter. She was disabled by her injuries, and her memory was foggy, 520 00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:19.880 and she had to relearn how to do even the most basic task. What 521 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.440 an overwhelming challenge that she faced when she got home from the hospital. Yeah, 522 00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:27.559 it's been very difficult for it. But I definitely commend her for appearing 523 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.480 on camera to be interviewed in the documentary because I know that for the first 524 00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:35.760 couple of years after the crime, they kept the identities of the surviving victims 525 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.440 away from the public, and they were reluctant to do interviews, and if 526 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:43.039 they did, they would only do it in silhouette to conceal their identities. 527 00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:46.119 But by this point twenty years had passed and Melissa and Ida finally felt courageous 528 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:50.920 enough to say, we're going to appear on camera and share our stories because 529 00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.239 we want to spread awareness and increase the possibility of the perpetrators being caught. 530 00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:00.760 Other interviewees in a Nightmare and Las Crusis included Tehran, who went on to 531 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:06.159 have two more children, as well as Amy Hauser's mother, stepfather, and 532 00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:09.760 step siblings. In a twenty sixteen article about the case published in The Los 533 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:15.840 Cruses Son Stephen Taran's brother Andy Tehran stated quote, in this day and age, 534 00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:21.320 things like this don't go unsolved. How did we not get these guys? 535 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:25.079 That's the question I asked myself every day. Numerous people saw these gunmen, 536 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:30.159 So someone out there knows something and they need to come forward. End 537 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.840 quote. In June of twenty eighteen, the former Los Cruse's Bowl, now 538 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.719 known as Sun Lane's finally closed down for good, with everyone still remembering the 539 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:45.000 tragedy which had taken place there. The Los Cruses Donna Anna County Crime Stoppers 540 00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:50.159 would offer a twenty five thousand reward for information, but Charlie Minn would later 541 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:53.199 contribute some money to the fund, upping the total of the reward to thirty 542 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:59.679 two thousand. Men also frequently hold screenings of a Nightmare and Los Crusis throughout 543 00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:04.400 New Mexico every year in hopes that the right person might watch it and provide 544 00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.760 the necessary information to help bring the case to a resolution. But after more 545 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:13.079 than three decades, the two perpetrators have yet to be identified, and the 546 00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:19.239 last crucious Bowling Alley massacre remains unsolved. It is one of those cases where 547 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:25.119 you think, look at the magnitude of how many people say they saw these 548 00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:30.639 individuals at the Bowling Alley before the crime, at the Bowling Alley the day 549 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:37.440 of the crime, fleeing from the Bowling Alley after the crime, and how 550 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:43.519 long these two individuals have had to hold that secret, how the people around 551 00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:47.159 them, the dynamics might have changed, how the relationship between the two perpetrators 552 00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:51.719 might have changed, how one of them might have found Christ and needed to 553 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.719 free themselves of this burden. Right, like all of the things that could 554 00:39:54.719 --> 00:40:01.360 have changed in the years and years since that crime, it's wild that no 555 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:06.920 one has come forward with information that no one's spoken. Right, they say, 556 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.239 never commit a crime with somebody else, because two people just can't keep 557 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:14.159 their mouth shut for years and years and years, and it sounds like here, 558 00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.880 yes they have, and they haven't shared it with anyone else. That 559 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:21.719 seems wild to me. I think there is somebody somewhere that knows something. 560 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:27.719 But this is so heavy. There's so much collateral damage here, there's lives 561 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.800 that have been stolen, people could live in fear right. It would take 562 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:36.119 someone saying I will no longer have to deal with this perpetrator because let's say 563 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:38.599 they died or they're in prison for something else, and so there's no risks 564 00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:45.360 to me anymore. Both of these men should be relatively older gentlemen now and 565 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:50.360 way less of a physical threat at this point. So I'm praying that the 566 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:54.840 passage of time in this case becomes a blessing to the case and is something 567 00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:58.960 that a person feels the strength to be able to come forward and say, 568 00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:00.480 I've been holding this for so long, I need to get it off my 569 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:06.119 chest, and they can help the police. We talked earlier about fingerprints being 570 00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:09.239 left Bowling Alley and how it would be difficult to discern which prints belonged to 571 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:14.599 the perpetrators and which prints belonged to the employees. Or just random customers who 572 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:16.480 have been there. But the thing is is that they still have the prints 573 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:21.880 on file, so that they had any viable suspects to compare them to and 574 00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:23.960 found out that their prints rea at the alley, that could be the type 575 00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:29.480 of evidence to finally implicate them and file charges. But of course, the 576 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.000 big issue in this case is that we have never had any solid suspects, 577 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:37.159 so there's been no one to compare these fingerprints too. And like you said, 578 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.159 that's the main reason that we hope that someone has information that that can 579 00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:45.840 point law enforcement towards some suspects in order to build a case against them. 580 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.639 Well, if I could compile a list of haunting, disturbing cases which I'm 581 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.119 shocked have still not been solved, this one would rank right near the top 582 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.719 of the list. Like I mentioned in the intro, I still have vivid 583 00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.480 memories of watching this story get featured on episodes of Unsolved Metres and America's Most 584 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:05.159 Wanted when I was a lot younger, and I was really bothered by the 585 00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:08.599 fact that these gunmen could shoot a bunch of children without hesitation. When it 586 00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:14.280 comes to composite sketches of unidentified suspects, and cold cases. I'd say that 587 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:17.639 the drawings of the two perpetrators here are among the most memorable, and if 588 00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:22.079 you showed them to your average true crime follower, they'd instantly recognize which case 589 00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.960 are from. Yet here we are over thirty years later, and it seems 590 00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:30.519 like investigators still don't have the faintest idea who the two guys from these sketches 591 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:36.440 are. While a number of cases we featured on this podcast are still unsolved 592 00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.719 because the police botch things up, I really can't find any fault with how 593 00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:45.480 law enforcement have handled this investigation. It sounds like they've done the absolute best 594 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.320 they can and whenever you see interviews with people who have worked on this case, 595 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.719 you can tell that they put their heart and soul into trying to catch 596 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:57.119 the killers, and it really bothers them that this is still unsolved. It 597 00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.559 just seems that somehow the two monsters who did this managed to get lucky and 598 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:05.559 slipped through the cracks. Of course, there's been a lot of speculation over 599 00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.400 the idea that this crime was a lot more than a simple robbery gone wrong. 600 00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:12.599 There are many good reasons to believe that, which we'll get into in 601 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:16.039 our next episode, but I think the most chilling detail of this entire case 602 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:21.880 is how Valerie Uran was shot through the forehead. That means whoever did this 603 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.079 was looking directly at the face of a two year old girl when he decided 604 00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:30.280 to pull the trigger, which is a special kind of evil. Even though 605 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.559 neither of these men were wearing masks. Is a two year old really going 606 00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:37.400 to be able to provide much information to the police if you leave her alive 607 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:43.480 as a witness? What I was also thinking when you described her, and 608 00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:46.639 you got to remember she's lying down on the ground next to her father. 609 00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:52.880 Think about how small a two year old little baby is next to her father, 610 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:57.280 who's just praying to God in that moment, please let my kids live, 611 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.119 Please let my kids live. And this kiddo's scared to death, right 612 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.079 Their other little siblings sitting there, scared to death, and they're probably clinging 613 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:08.920 to their dad, and he has the ability to pull a trigger and shoot 614 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:14.519 this angel in the forehead. It's disgusting. I don't think the other child 615 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:16.920 would have been able to recognize them either. 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