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to all the people who asked about my mom and her surgery. It went
very well yesterday. Lots of adventures to tell you about when I get back.
But you know what I did notice today I had to go for a
walk because all these people are bringing over food and stuff. Like at eight
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But I'm walking and I noticed somebody in a motorized cart, like a like
a wheelchair, motorized wheelchair, and the person looked big. But I don't
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struck me funny. They're out in the fresh air, cruising up this country
road in Rhinebeck, New York, coming along smoking a cigarette. Now I
don't know if they ate their way into the chair, but that was my
assumption after seeing Isn't that awful to judge like that? It's awful to judge
like that. So I thought it'd be kind of fun today to do a
podcast that reunites two old radio partners. Back in the nineties in the Greater
Rochester area, they were building a bench because they thought Brother Weez was sick.
At the time. He was not, but there was worry that he
had pancreatic cancer, and so they were bringing in people to eventually just replace
him if need be. If you know anything about radio and Rochester, there
was no need. The man is still going strong. So BJ had been
a partner of brother Weiss a while ago. So BJ has been on this
podcast, but so his bull and in the afternoon they had BJ and the
Bull. So I thought it would be fun to go back. We do
a mystery guest where Kevin lines up people from my past, and he's had
Bull on and we've had BJ on. So I thought we would do BJ
and the Bull, But I'm gonna start with Bull all right, so that
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little special show today. There used to be one called BJ and the Ball
back in the day on WCMF in the UH. I guess it was the
mid to late nineties, and we have had both Bull and BJ on this
podcast Unbillified, and I thought it'd be fun to take a little trip back
and revisit those kind conversations because they're very interesting. And the Bull one,
well, we'll start with him because he gets a little saucy because he did
some saucy things in his radio career. Now, Bull, you've had quite
the career in broadcast. Well, thank you. No, Well, I
mean, but you've had some You've had some like stellar moments, and when
I see step almost like notable memorable people still talk about moments from you.
Yeah, I appreciate that. No, I mean, I'm not sure what
those are, but I mean you can, you can fill the end.
I've heard a few of these. That time we got hitting the nuts in
the siline of the Bills game. I don't yes, did you get a
staff infection from the drinking out of the Calder Cup? Is that true?
No? He got strapped throat, he gets strapped, And I remember that
because I was with him. I was with him and I wouldn't do it,
and I think he called me a pushy and he drank. I go,
everybody's getting fucking strapped. Here, guess what happened. Everybody got bull
Okay, it wasn't a staff infection. No, it was not a staff
infection. That was when didn't I have you come down? And I hung
him from the crane. They were playing the Pirates and I had a game
called Beat the Pirate and we had CDs taped to his body and people would
come down. I hire, I got a crane to come down like up
tow truck, and we put him in a like a rock climbing gear and
lifted Kevin up. People beat him with like a plastic bat. Charity of
course, but bold, No, there was that. But I was thinking
of and I don't know how comfortable you are. I see. That's the
thing. As I would have prepped you if I knew you were coming on,
I would have said, can I bring these things up? I don't
know if there's anything off limits. I mean, I think I know what
you're gonna say, and no, I mean it's not. It's it's pretty
famous. Most people in Rochester that have listened to the radio over the years
probably have some idea what you're talking about. But can I just tell you
before before I reveal what it is for people who may not maybe guessing and
go, no, I know, or maybe I don't know. I felt
terrible for you. Well, I appreciate that. It was because I had
the hardest Yeah, go ahead, Yeah it was. It was one of
those things where and well, okay, so let's reset a little bit for
and I appreciate you thinking enough of me to think that people, even though
I've been gone from Rochester for almost twenty five years, still even remember me.
Um. I appreciate that a ton um. But for people that don't
know, I grew up Rochester intern for Weeze, and I worked on the
morning show for years and years and years and produced a show, then ended
up doing a thing with with DJ, and then we all got blown out
and corporated Bull Bull That's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we actually,
um it was crazy man. We we had believe it or not.
Um, we had better ratings than We's. We had like a twenty share,
and they still blew us out because they were cost cutting, because it
was we're going They're going from one you know, corporate giant to another,
and so we both got blown out. I ended up going to Buffalo,
I don't know, four months six months later, and then that BJ went
on to Seattle and he said there ever since, just crushing it on on
one of the you know, the just the legendary um rock stations out there.
And in fact, he's at the station where your idol, Bob Rivers
was forever. Yeah Bob was. I think yeah, aw, I don't
know, w yeah, I don't know. I don't know where BJ,
but he maybe I know the Bob's retired. I think he is, Yeah,
yeah, because I think I think they. I think after Bob they
went to Howard, and then when Howard went to Satellite, they tried BJ.
They didn't take the national stuff that was out there, Okay, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yea, so BJ is still there.
He's been there for forever. Yep, he's just crushing it anyway. So
that that's my backstory for people that are listening to have no idea who the
hell I am. Um, but thank you Billy for having me on and
considering me, you know, one of those guys. So anyway, I'm
interning. No, you know what, I wasn't interning with Wheezy. Oh
you were on the show. I was on the show. That's right,
it was. It was at Winton Road. Um when I started. It
was at Monroe Avenue back in the day. And um, it's it's really
crazy. And you've probably talked about this with I know you had Canaan recently,
but um, for people that don't know, back in like the mid
to late eighties, CBS and Rochester was like as big of a rock station
and with as legendary of rock programmers in jocks as any station in the country.
It was ridiculous. And then and then the people that produced was absurd.
Yeah, I mean it produced you. Opie came out of there,
Opie and I interned at the exacting time. Um. Anyway, Charlie,
who now has an empire of restaurants. Really no, but people who did
very well, you're right, yeah yeah. And so anyway, and we
end up we're at Winton Road and now we're gonna get handed against or saw
sorry instints along. Um, and we've has this woman I'm named Laura Corn.
And Laura Corn was a sex therapist. I guess um she had written
books and did all these things with like, wait, it was Laura Corn.
I thought it was somebody else. No, it was Laura Corn.
Okay, all right, okay, And so you know, the big joke
back then was, you know, uh, you know, Bull doesn't have
a girlfriend. He's really shy, he doesn't go on dates. And I
was kind of the whipping boy for that kind of thing, and I was
okay with it. I didn't care because it was true. Was so sad
and pathetic. But needless to say, she comes in and we's just like,
wow, you know you got your issues, bro, you know you're
you're shy, you're probably you know, I'm guess me, I haven't gotten
in a while, and blah blah blah. You know, Laura could help
you out. Maybe maybe she could give you some tips. She also didn't
she call herself a sex surrogate, a sex surrogate, like she would yeah
yeah, like she would step in to help someone. Yeah, oh yeah,
yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, gone. And and
then then and then I have a lot to say after we go ahead.
So so uh so we like brought Look, well we have a phone call.
There's a marriat right down the street of Jefferson Road. Just we'll get
you guys a room and then she can teach you how to do all the
things and you'll be a brand new man when you're done. And and I'm
kind of like, I don't know, man, like you know, she's
kind of like she's kind of like almost like a hooker. Yeah. Yes,
And here's the thing, Like bull is a guy who who went to
McQuaid Catholic upbringing, I would assume, right, yeah, yeah, I
mean I think there a fish Yeah, I went to Fisher, right,
yes, but I mean, like just just your u this is just I
don't think it sat well with you. But you were you were cool.
You tried to do the radio bit. Yeah, and while the other thing
with my parents were alive, and yeah, I would occasionally an attempt to
stomach what was happening on the radio program um and so I was a little
nervous about that, but I was like, okay whatever. And then we
we were like, okay, I'll play along. So we got in the
car, we drove and I said to her, this is just a radio
bit. We're just we're just playing a line. She's like, absolutely not.
I'm gonna teach you some We're gonna have some fun. Yeah yeah.
I'm like yeah, okay, uh and then honestly we can. It proceeded
to have some fun um and and and and after the fact I got done,
I was like, you know, if I was going to have a
girlfriend or going to get laid, um it probably you know. I felt
like it wasn't gonna now I had just done. Yeah. So I remember
the way I remember it on the radio play now was you called when he
got there, and then we just goes right, brod, do you think
we'll check back? And then then there was the call after and I remember
you sounding like kind of like you almost wish you hadn't done. I don't
know that was That's what I remember. Now, that's twenty five years ago,
so memory could be faulty, you know what I'm saying, Like my
memory of it could be faulty, but I do remember you coming back and
being uncomfortable, and I remember somebody confronting you from the sales department. Yeah,
I don't remember that. I do. I remember that somebody saying I
thought I thought more of you or something, and I remember seeing your head
drop and I go, oh, that's the shittiest. Why would you fuck
it? I was like, why would you do that? To the kind
to block out and most of the bad things have ever happened to me?
Well, okay, but I but but in a way like this was a
it was a bit, and he went through with the bit, and then
afterwards just I think, did you have some remorse? Well? So,
yeah, So what ended up happening was did the bit was what it was?
And then later that night we were I don't know, I don't know
if I called Tommy or something like somehow Tommy and I were having dinner.
Maybe we had already had plans or something, or or I had maybe expressed
to him that I didn't feel great about what had happened, and he's like,
dude, let's just go get dinner and some drinks. Later we'll talk
about him Like, Okay, yeah, and by the way, experienced with
hookers. Yeah, that's how you do it. Yeah. Uh so we
ended up going to dinner and he basically talked me through and he goes,
dude, look it, um, let's go on the show tomorrow. We're
gonna tell you tell exactly like it is, and you're gonna say how you
feel. You're gonna see it. Say you feel like a little dirty and
whatever, and it's just not you, and it's not who you are.
It's not you know who you know, you you your parents raised and blah
blah blah blah blah. And yes, you're gonna sound kind of like a
goody two shoes, but oh that's you whatever. You're a good guy,
you're a good kid. And that was the Wee Show authentic, right,
I mean that was the show. Yeah. So um yeah, so that
was probably, uh the the craziest thing, uh that ever happened with me.
And I guess yeah, I mean, you know, every time I
talked to Wes, and I don't talk to him as much as I'd like
to you, but um, you know occasionally that that will come up with
somebody will tell me, remind me about it or um. So yeah,
it was. It was one of the strangest things ever, Like that was
just like a strange thing to happen. Who gets laid on the radio live?
Right? You know what I'm saying, This is the thing, right,
and you get to play by play afterwards, and Laura's all, oh
he was. He was a little shy, you know. I was like,
oh God. And when you think about it, try to put yourself
in that, you know, perform on demand. I mean, I'm not
a porn star with fluffers or they got fluffers. By the way, people
you've gone to work with the Bills, I mean you go into the bathroom
at a Bills game. It might take you twenty minutes before you finally like
finished, because you get performance anxiety. It's like what sex feeling. I
can't go, I can't go the lines go to behind me, I can't
It's weird. The only other yeah, go ahead. I was gonna say,
to be completely honest, I mean she was in all sense of the
worst. She was a professional. I mean she she worked with people like
me all the time. So you know, it was one of those things.
I am curious, did you did you did a go into be with
this lady. Yeah, no, no, yeah, no, okay,
did you take anything away from your education at that time? So what did
she do? Bo? She was she just kind of held my hand,
um through the process, if you will, um. And so she she
she tried to make it, you know, very comfortable and you know,
don't worry about anything, just just follow my lead kind of thing. Um,
did you hand? So wait you had sex with her? No?
Oh okay, but but there's things other things right, so right, okay,
all right, okay, all right, I did not have sex with
that. Okay, Well, anyway, the other thing I do remember that
ball was and this is just sort of a funny and it wasn't his fault,
but it was funny. It wasn't funny, it was ironic. I
don't even know if that's the right word. There was a tragedy that happened
where a guy, Oh my god, So I'm the promotion director and we
spring into action because this fan funny. I'm sorry I laughed. No,
it's kind of it's kind of funny. New well, it's kind of funny.
Now. It's one of these things because it wasn't I don't think it
was your fault. I just think it was everybody was moving, everybody.
So Someboddy claimed that there was a fire at their house and I think a
couple of their children died, and um, they needed some help. So
they had called the Wei Show or or we's found out about it the night
before. He wants to do a live broadcast raise money. We are you
know, flying high, Hooters come, we get hooters, We go there.
It was such a big deal that the country station came down with a
check and donated money to this family because they had lost children, they had
lost their house, and so all this stuff goes on. They now are
going to go back. I mean, I think the broadcast right through Kano
show. I think we were there, well at least till it might have
been because you were doing Afternoons and book comes on in the first song in
places burning down, the talk had now ten his defense. What I think
happened was there was a log and we would screamed that if we played any
log, and I think I think Bull was probably waiting for weeze and at
any moment it's gonna end, and so we gotta get going here and blah
blah blah, and so we had the song cute and I don't think it
was even It was like you were kind of on muscle memory, right,
I'm ready to go spring into action and take over the controls here when he's
ready. And then that was the song, and it was the funniest I
remember everybody going, what does he play? But I mean the family showed
up at at Hooters. They had soot. Like if you've ever had a
furnace backup, let's not say a fire, but a furnace backup in your
house while you know, like in the middle of the night, everybody breathing
through their nose. They've got black you know, black marks going up into
their nostrils and things. So all this stuff. It turned out like a
couple days later that the wife was out and the husband thought she was cheating
and he got pissed off, so he lit a fire, like lit the
house on phonh My gosh. So now Weis is like I raised all this
money, He's feeling like shit. The news is crawling around Sister Sleez happened
to be in town. He's got We're trying to set up interviews with Weis.
Go bro, I can't believe it. I don't know what to do.
And the only thing that I took away from that moment was people,
you give from a good place if the person who's receiving did it bad.
I still gave from a good place and I didn't give, and I would
think most people you shouldn't give till you can't. You know what I'm saying,
you can't function right If if if I gave five thousand dollars and I
don't have it, well, then that's an idiot move. But if I
gave five dollars and that's no problem. And you know a bunch of people
that day gave five hundred dollars checks businesses did, but there was all money
that they probably had earmarked, some of those businesses anyway for charity. So
it was no big deal. But I know that weis felt awful the whole
thing. It was just amage. Yeah, good thing it wasn't too for
Tuesday could play Jimmy Hendricks right after that. That was brutal man. I
remember that vividly, and I just felt so bad, and I was just
like, you're right, I mean, you know how it is. Yes,
shift chain, Yes you're coming into the studio. You got a bunch
of shit going on. Yeah, and and you're like, you get you,
here's your law, here's your first time. You just get it ready
to go right, it's not and it's not even digital back then, you're
playing a CD that's in a jewel case. You're you know. I was
told both because in the days that I came into radio, when it's all
digital. So I was told that in those days, the previous jock would
pull the first hour of music for you. So did somebody try to sabotage
you by pulling the music and having that song there for you? First?
Both of you, guys. I know I was to say it was you.
He said it was you. It's not pointing fingers brundus together dan uh.
That was funny. And and then both I don't know, like if
you can or are willing to, but I know that you had a very
popular show in the morning in Buffalo, and then that came to a quick
end, and and maybe not rightfully so for you in many's opinion and including
mine, I think, but yeah, it came to an abrupt ending.
I will go to my grave believing that I did absolutely nothing wrong. Um,
you know what happened happened at honestly, it couldn't have happened at the
worst time at a worst time. Rather um, in terms of what was
happening, you know, culturally in the country and for those of you that
don't know, basically, I was part of a morning show in Buffalo and
one of my co hosts told a joke that some deemed inappropriate, and I
was suspended for a couple of weeks and then ultimately fired with the rest of
the show and a program director. And you know, there was a lot
of other fall ups from that. I mean I was never not once was
I the target of anyone, because I feel like most people that had um,
any kind of of you know, brain listening to what actually happened,
understood that I really I didn't do anything. And my whole response to what
happened was very simply to try and and and change the narrative of what was
happening, and um and and you know, unfortunately the company that I that
I worked for, you know, I didn't see it that way. And
you know, I was let go for being associated with something and um,
you know they call it, uh, you know, shrapnel or friendly fire
or whatever, cross being caught in a cross fire or whatever that may have
been it. Um, but yeah, I'll be honest, I'm still I'm
still Um, I'm scarred from it. Yeah, not sure you are.
Yeah, it's it's it's something I worked very hard for to get to where
I got and uh and it was literally stripped for me and virtunally no time.
So um, it's something that I've really tried to deal with. I've
had, you know, mental issues and um, you know, God bless
my my wife for standing by me and being my my rock and my strength.
And you know, we're we're doing good. We were just positive attituding.
Hey, and I just want to I'm so glad that I could bring
up every painful, shitty thing that happened to you in radio in one brief
conversation. I am so sorry. But I just know, like all all
three of those things were like I mean, there were significant things in the
moment of time. I mean, that was a big bit that people still
remember on the WII Show with Laura Corn That was just a funny moment that
people probably don't remember. I just remember being a big deal and feeling bad
again because I go, it's not it's not his fault. Like I get
it. You're the last like you're the backstop. You're the last person there.
But still come on and then uh, and then the same thing in
Buffalo, and it's a it's a shitty thing. If you could do anything,
what do you want to do? Um? I mean I would.
I would love to do. I'd love to get back into radio. Man,
it's what I do. I was talking of. I would sports if
nothing else sports radio, somehow do sports? I mean for pople, I
don't know. Um. I was for fifteen years part of the Bills radio
network. I did three game, I did postgame, I did sideline for
three years with the Bills. I traveled with the team on the charter for
three years, you know, went to all the road games, did all
the locker room interviews after the games, and um, that's the stuff I
love. I mean, I'm fortunate to be able to do a television show
and an independent station up here in Buffalo, Bill's pregame show that I love
doing as well. So you know, my god, if there's anything I
could do, it would be to either um, you know, do something
sports related, whether it's television or radio or both or one or the other,
or do some sort of a you know, the sports Base podcast,
and I've been doing a podcast, just small plug called Bull in the Basement.
It's it's on YouTube. You can look it up. Um. And
basically this won't help Rochester people in general, um because I generally just interview
Buffalo air quote celebrities, most of whom are sports people. So yeah,
Rochester people will know a lot of them, but not all of them.
But it's just basically a long form Q and a interview, which I love
doing. I love interview people. I love talking to people. I love
getting deep into their stories. And so, anyway, where are you?
Uh so it's only on YouTube. Uh yeah, it's it's yeah, it's
on YouTube, but it's also available um on. Oh gosh, I can't
believe I'm going blank on this. We'll forget it. Just go to YouTube.
Just look a bull in the Basement. That's all I got to do.
We need to team up. We'll get that out. I'm serious,
get it out and well let's sell it and let's let's let's fucking go.
Yeah. Man. Um, So and you're you're doing like you know,
not to blow smoke, but you do what You're killing it, dude.
I love what you've got going on with your bilify. I joke with you
that it should I'll do mind, and I said, go ahead, go
for it. That's fine. I have no problems. I loved it.
It's it's it is, you know, I mean, it's a it's a
grind. But I had a thought today that, uh, you know,
I'm a big believer in when you're if you have a little wobble moment,
let's call it that, right, you'll wobble on something, go for the
better feeling thought. And I thought, you know, I I this is
going. You're right, it's going very well. And uh, I'm loving
it. And I think, and I was gonna say, that's the point
for you. You're you, you're loving what you're doing, and you're good
at loving what you're doing, right, um, and you love it being
good at what you do. So all of that together um brings brings the
special harmony for somebody. And that's that's awesome. That's why I'm so happy
for you to you're doing what you're good at and what you love. And
ultimately, I mean, I joke with people all the time, and I'm
sure you have two that I did. I didn't have a real job for
myself. My whole adult life, I never worked a real job, and
for the last nine months, I've been working a real job and I'm I'm
here feeling sorry for myself, and this is really hard. It just sucks,
like really like everybody else hits ninety nine percent of everybody else. Ken
is keeve gone through what I've gone through in the last nine months, and
I'm like, and everyone's like, shut your mouth. You have lived like
the best life ever, more than most people with dream of living. So
just do your work, work for another years or whatever the hell it is.
So you're going to retire and then then go back to your your your
make believe fun life brow as long as you did. Yeah, I hear
you. I think ahead, Danny Well. I mean I get my first
exposure to Bull driving home from my senior year of high school on one or
three three to the edge. He was doing afternoons and playing my favorite music,
which is rock alternative. And I mean, I've I've heard you with
the bills and everything else, Bull, And I gotta tell you like that,
there's a morning show in Buffalo that does sports that just had an opening,
and I think that you should be the guy, because that station could
use a lot of help. Okay, they can do some personality, but
they can use It's simply just I'm sorry, I can't deal just sports,
sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, and bully, you'd add
a real life perspective. It wasn't just sports with you when you did sports,
you know what I'm saying. It was it was life too. Yeah,
for sure. Um, I mean there are things. I trust me,
I'm friendly with a lot of the guys over there, and there are
and I and I did my own sports talk show on an AM for five
years right here in Buffalo, and I purposely kind of I mean, you
cannot do a sports talk show in Buffalo and and and and ignore the Bills
and the Savers obviously, but you know, I wanted to talk about the
Bandit's and the Bisons and and and ub and even a little bit of the
other sports that aren't here, like a little bit of baseball, a little
bit of basketball, a little bit of national college sports that that just don't
get talked about here. Um, and and I get it. I mean,
the thirst for for Bills and Sabers and Buffalo is over the top,
especially with the successes the Bills have had and you know the Sabers. I
don't know what the score is of the Edmonton game. I know they were
down one nothing last a check, but um but you know the Sabers,
there's a lot of real feel good with Thompson and Dalen and talk in that
group. Um, so there's a lot of a lot of you know,
upward generated good feelings for that team too. So people are are just so
thirsty for the two sports. But I sometimes for me it just gets it's
it's almost too much because it's so repetitive. Everybody's tart about the same thing
over and over and over. Here's the thing that I want to say,
from a business perspective, You're you're dealing with two different animals when you talk
radio and you talk podcasts. Because radio, the average person listens for eight
minutes, so repeating, repeating, repeating, and if it's not necessarily a
bad formula, even on a talk station. And think of Top forty with
like, how often we would hear I don't know Harry styles, right,
you can hear it over and over. But on the other side, I
would say, you know, watch keep your eye on the podcast stuff.
Learn that stuff because I will tell you that I still talk to and I
was doing a lot of national stuff for iHeart before I left, and there
are some guys that are higher up in the company that I talked to,
and and I just I know this for a fact that a major broadcast company,
iHeartMedia, has had multiple meetings in the past week to two weeks that
have been all the entire company, but only on the sales side, so
not the programming side. And it's all about podcast It's all about selling podcasts,
and that's it. They're not talking about anything else. They're talking about
that. So this is kind of where you know, they're even pushing because
they're seeing it now. And I think that, you know, for you,
it would be great do it the way you want to do it.
And eighty eight percent of people who listens, you know, listen to the
whole thing. So I think you got a good thing going there, and
I think that a regional podcast will work. Yeah, I'd love to be
part of that, so um, yeah, for sure. Listen, you
guys have been talking a lot about me. I gotta I gotta talk about
mir animal a little bit very quickly, and it's it's sadly not really dirty.
But like, the one thing I do remember probably most about Bill is
that, well two things. First of all, I don't know why,
but I always felt like, and maybe you told this to me at one
point or not, but I always felt like you had this sort of man
count thing going on, like and I mean that momentary that is that would
probably be a very fair thing at back then. Yeah, and then I
and then I met him and I got off that really but that's fair.
That's no, that's very fair. And uh, I mean you you got
the pipes, you had, the energy, you had, the you know,
the sense of humor, the incredible writing skills, Like I was was
was watching and listening the other day with you guys, and and what was
it? Ross jokes? Right? Yeah? Yeah, I mean, my
god, like brilliant, really great and I think I even might might have
posted something on Facebook about it. But I mean they were really really fantastic.
But that was you, and you were always creative and thinking outside the
box. And and the other thing I remember really about you is that you
were a guy who I mean, if there was ever a sponge when it
came to radio, it was you. I mean, you soaked up everything.
You were like a radio historian. You would go back to Bob Wolfe.
Was that the guy's name? Yeah, that was the guy I worked
for? Yeah, whatever it was y Um, And I mean you always
talked about that guy and how you loved that guy and and and you're just
like the student of radio and that and then you know, you became you
know, enormous in Rochester and um, you know here you are so well,
that's very nice to say at all. No, it's nice for you
to say. I think that You're right. I loved it. And then
as I got into it more and more I could see what was kind of
bullshit and what wasn't and uh, and you could kind of just focus.
I've always been like this, I just want to focus on winning. And
once you do that, you kind of knock out the noise of everything else
and it didn't matter. And no matter what happens, that has always been
my mentality. And you know, I my situation is my situation. But
I wasn't. I just turned around and go, fuck it, let's do
this. Let's see what happened. Well, what's the worst that's gonna happen.
I'm gonna fall in my face, right nobody cares. Nobody cares,
right, and that you know, in the end, nobody's gonna be sure.
There'll be the few people that go, I knew he'd fail or I
hope he'd fail, And yeah, okay, that's fine. Look, if
you want to be that person, I'd rather just focus on on something good.
But I think you should keep doing it because I think you know,
to to Danny's point, you have a real talent there and and certainly the
knowledge and the relationships in that town. Yeah, it's fun to do too,
And to be honest, Um, since I've been doing my my real
job over the last nine months, I've kind of uh, you know,
done my podcast lesson lesson and I have been meaning to get back to doing
it more and more. And I think, now, um, you know,
this might be one of those um sort of kicks in the ass that
I need to get it back going again. Even if right, even if
you did it once a week, I mean, the one thing that you
got to do is just be consistent in whatever you decide that's right, and
then from there you can certainly grow. But I think, yeah, man,
do that, and then let's get it up. Our listener out of
the skull right now. Now they're eating this up. It sounds like you
and me are just having a phone conversation. Well it's a podcast. You
get away with that. If I remember one time, Bull, I'll never
forget this. I was at a job that I hated too in between radio
jobs. Yeah I know, and you texted me out of the blue and
say, hey, I'm hearing that one of those stations may flip the sports
so I would get my resume over there. Now they never did, Yeah,
they were going to. But it was really cool. Bull reaches out
to me. Yeah, all the people, Buffalo, he reaches out to
me. Very cool, and I appreciate it. Always always been I've always
I've always loved you, Bull, Yeah, always been a good guy.
I mean, look, I mean what I I like to help people and
and do my best to do that whenever I can. I mean, I
I clearly don't want to take it my job, but anything else right,
All right, Ball, it's been a pleasure. We got to do it
again. And if you're ever in Rochester, come in and hang. But
would be fun to have you on more often. Yeah, well, I
mean if I'm not that far away, so I can you know. Hell,
you got a place to crash. Maybe one night we'll do that down,
we'll do the show. We'll go get some drinks and uh whatever,
just down the road. Nice circle back, very good, very good done.
Thank you bull, Thank you guys. I appreciate it. Thank great
job. Keep up a good work. Thank you. That was I didn't
mean to all of a sudden, whether there's three shitty three shitty things.
Hey man, remember when he did this, did this and what happened here?
Yes, like the Chris Farley Show. I didn't mean it like you
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lucky charms and milk and broadcast from Hooters. I didn't did every hack shit.
I didn't want to say it, Tam, but he did every hack
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that fifty four years ago? Today, we're doing a kind of a flashback
and putting together two old radio partners, b J and The Bowl. We'd
heard Bowl a little while ago from when he was on the podcast as a
mystery guest, and great stories from his radio career. And BJ still beloved
in the Greater Rochester area even though he hasn't been here in a long time,
and he really built an unbelievable talk show in Seattle Cry. His former
partner was a mystery guest, his former is it BJ? Wait? BJT
got beach out the show? Shit? BJ? How are you man?
Hey, Billy? What's up, buddy? I can't believe it. It's
so funny. I just saw BJ online as a guest on somebody else's podcast.
Oh that's right, Yeah, I'll go anywhere, Billy. I can't
get enough attention, you know that, So listen. It's so funny because
I was thinking of people, and I want to do another podcast called Radio
Days, and it would just be about the weird shit you experienced while in
radio. And I know, I know you've done I know you've experienced a
lot. I mean I'm talking like whatever went on with management stuff or I
mean BJ did everything. BJ sat in a bowl of Lucky charms on St.
Patrick's Day. They filled up. He and Bull filled up. He
did right too. Yeah, oh yeah, oh gosh, no he didn't
eat. Yeah, he did high highlighted my career. It's really I there
was nowhere to go but down after But Baj, I mean I was always
so impressed because uh BJ came was they were building a bench because of Weeze
and all this. They bring him back and he was one of the most
popular personalities in Rochester on the radio. People loved him with on the WII
show. Was really probably one of weez is better people on his show.
Uh then all of a sudden, well it's all true. And then you
went out to Seattle kind and you wound up doing a midday talk show,
and I think there was there was some ship that went on there. If
I'm not mistaken, Well, you know, Billy model employee. So you
know, I can't really take a job without actually having management trying to see
it. Perhaps I would be better outside of the building. Yeah, but
see, but here's the thing for the last how many years have you been
a is a ks w am? I getting them right now away? Yeah,
I said two thousand and six. Whatever the math is on that.
Yeah. And and number one. I mean for a long time it was
you or Bob Rivers number one sometimes in people, which is really the money
demographic and radio. So I'm in a what is see how the thirteenth largest
market in radio? Yeah, we're we're somewhere in that vicinity. I'll say
number I'll say we're the number one market the hell of New York City?
All right, why not? You got the crack? You got the cracking?
Now everybody's rooting for the cracking? Oh yeah, well, because it's
because of our mask on. Everybody just loves Booie. Actually, I don't
think anybody loves booy even what we do around here, but the whole league
seems to hate the guy. The dude from Spitting Chickless can't stand Booie's got
a big rivalry with him. So I think that's kind of fun um.
But yeah, you know what, Billy, Look, I I've been you
and I both know when you get to work with somebody who's you know,
who's who's the quality of talent, and Weeze is one of the best the
industries ever seen. You know, just through osomosis, you get lucky enough
to learn a few things that maybe you give him somehow be successful somewhere.
And for me that's just been the case. Plus I got a lot of
great people around me. Now that's why I've been able to, you know,
keep the job for since two thousand and six. But prior to that,
Yeah, I was my own worst enemy. And like you said,
Billy, plenty of great stories. There'll be a lot of great stories about
really how I how I baby made radio interesting for other people, the other
poor bastors that had to work with me. Well, yeah, you you
you, I think you. I don't want to say you've changed. I'd
like to think people evolve. Would that be fair to say? Yeah?
The best example I'll give you, I don't. Did you guys ever know
Mark Marrin? Did you ever interact with him before he got all mentally healthy,
like when he would come in town and do interview. No, I
do know who he is, but I didn't know. So Marcus got this
fantastic podcast and really, and the reason being is is that he went and
started doing all this mental health work. He came on my show one time,
and he and I were both just brothers and misery. Everybody who was
with him from the comedy club hated him. Everybody who was working with me
hated me, but we both loved each other complaining about why the world sucks
so bad. And that was before he got his podcast. And then and
then Mark is the you know whatever. Ten fifteen years later, Mark is
going to be on our show. And Mark the first thing he says when
it gets on the show, he goes, oh, boy, buddy,
He said. I looked down the list of all the shows that I was
gonna be on and I saw your name, And he said, I wonder
has this guy figured it out? Or is he still a mess like I
was? And that and we both had a good laugh about how we really
had a lot of issues and luckily he found his way. Luckily I think
I found my way, you know, to some degree, defend on who
you talking to, but yeah, well, if evolving is good, I
just think I realized that, you know what, if I can just be
like responsible for everything in my own life, I'm going to have a better
life. Rather than keep thinking that it's other people keeping me from whatever.
That's the key. Nothing happens to you. Everything is brought You've brought it
on yourself in some way. Literally literally everything Bill, Yeah, Bill,
that's it right there, But it is literally everything is that. But what
I was going to say, BJ is I remember seeing you and you would
be uh you. You were a big fan of Lias Tom likeas and you
had that that kind of style too, and you would go at things pretty
hard. One of the things that I absolutely think that you I want to
say, and I know you're going to be very humble about this, but
it was the BJ Shay experience. Correct. Wasn't that the name of the
show. Yeah? And that was the name of the show. Yes.
And then you had a great producer and Steve miss Oh yeah. And then
one day you said you're doing as much work as me or you're doing whatever,
and you now call the show BJ and Miggs. And there's not many
guys that would do that because radio. I mean, come on, man,
we all have to We've got to be honest. You sit behind a
microphone, you gotta have a fucking ego, right, You stand on the
stage and think you can make a bunch of strangers laugh, you're a little
fucked up. But to be able to say yeah, but to step back
and see the value in somebody else, that change that made me think,
the world are you? When I saw that, truly, well, thank
you, thank you, Billy, you know, and I will take I
will take that. I know that a lot of people have been very surprised
by that. And here's the thing. I was a number two guy,
number three guy, number four guy so much in my career, so I
knew what it was like to be a sidekick. I knew what it was
like to not get bonuses. I knew it was like to see everybody celebrate
with the champagne glasses and then like, you know, I'm still making minimum
wage even though I'm on a number one show. So I always thought if
I ever got into driver's seat in a position to really reward somebody the best
way that I could. And Steve makes our whole show. He does everything
I really am. Honestly, I think if they took a look at like
the amount of output of work that's done by me compared to Steve, I
think they would be like, what are you doing here? Why? Boy?
So if to me Billy. He's so deserved it. And by the
way, he never asked for that. Yeah, and I just wanted to
change He just wanted to change his name to make because he hated being called
see the producer, because he got no respect from a lot of people.
They never realized what he did. And I said, dude, if you
want respect, the only way to get respect is your name is going to
be on the show. You know what I mean? People understand no matter
how much you tell them, how much you do, they go, oh,
yeah, you're just a producer. But your name is on the marquee.
So I said, we'll put your name on the marquis. That's what
you want is respect? The only way to get us to do that.
And I remember the program it was really we have a great program director.
But I remember I told him I wanted to do that and he goes,
what what do you what? And that was like he did. That was
like the first maybe five minutes of the conversation. He hangs up the phone.
Next thing you know, he closed a back A half hour later.
He's got T shirt designs, he's got all these ideas. He's like,
ide ever, let's just go ahead and do it, and you know,
in credit to the PD for understanding how great it was to be able to
recognize and a lot of our listeners love Steve, so to them, they
were like, it's about time. And it really was like a lot of
people had the kind of response you did, Bill, and well deserved.
Steve is one of the best talents in the business, and I'm happy that
he now gets the proper respect that he's due. But BJ, what was
the change with you? A little bit? Because it used to be like
I remember, it wasn't really therapy because you used to go listen, man,
here's what I love about Beach now right, And I knew Beach more
in a I think I got to know BJ better when he was in Seattle
than I did when he was even here. But BJ had does your daughter
still work? I know your daughter just got married. Congratulations, I saw
that. Thank you. I do follow you on social media? And then
your son? Does she and your son work on the show? They both
do. Joey's more behind the scenes. But any time that he's given the
opportunity to talk about what a what a horrible parent, I was loved to
come on the microphone, right, So, and yeah, so they're both
on. Yeah, but I think that's pretty cool. But I go back,
man, I remember seeing BJ fucking raising hell at Morning Show boot camp.
Yeah, they remember they had a women's panel and what were you?
Yeah, what was the whole thing? Do you remember what was that about?
Well, you know, there was many there were many women's panels,
and many panels were I lost. I lost my mind, Billy, So
you'll have to be a little bit more. I just remember one word,
like I think they came out. I think I heard a broad beaches at
it again. Yeah, they're talking about how it's the struggle being a woman
in broadcasting. And you got up there and said, have you ever hung
up yet? Have you ever hung up upside down in the soccer net with
your balls hanging out and getting kicked by a soccer ball in the nuts?
No, don't tell me how it's so hard to be a woman in broadcasting
or something like that. I don't remember. Yeah, it was. I
was having been basically humiliated in so many different ways, you know, as
a as a producer or the stunt guy or whatever, as the way we
work up. I mean, that's just not something they did to women a
lot back. Then because they you just didn't do it, and so I
had a big chip on my shoulder hearing about, Oh, you don't know
how tough it is, and actually, you know, upon further review,
it is really tough to be a non white person trying to be anything in
the world. But at the time, I was too busy in my own
world thinking, oh, you know what, my life is tough. I
don't care about anybody else, so that you know, so uh so,
yeah, I was on a rant about that um at that point. And
again that was pre therapy, where I was pretty much very narcissistic and the
world was all about me. Pain was all about me. Everybody was out
to get me. So you wouldn't have been able to reason with me in
that state of mind, ever, which is why Weez would always just go
Jesus, I mean he would always go, Pj's on the rag again,
right, that shouldn't even do it. He wasn't wrong, he was not
wrong at all. But now it's funny because now with your your daughter in
the business, and you're right it is. I think it's an evolved thinking
and I don't like in our world today is that we'll go back to that
time, and if you put out a tweet, we'll you know, pull
it up and rub it in your face. And what why would we do
that if all we want is the end result of who you are today?
Right? Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, you know, Billy,
here's the thing. What I found is that. And I'll just speak
for myself. I am a sis gendered, heterosexual, Caucasian old dude,
and the world does not have a shortage of opinions from that demographic. So
people just don't want to hear from us anymore. And it's because that's all
they've ever heard. And it's so even if even if I have the cure
for cancer, it's like they're not going to want to hear it from me
because they're just so jaded. And I can't really blame them because I have
been to so many panels myself when I was a young dude, so many
old white guys just telling me how to do a business, when it's like,
you are so clueless, No, you don't even know what you're talking.
They won't even listen, they don't even know how just clueless they are.
So I can understand now that I look like those people am I it's
hard to you know, it's really hard to hear anything that I have to
say. So now what I do is I go find somebody. I go
find somebody who looks like a person that other people listen to. I whispering
there and go, hey, try to say in this this might work,
and then go out to say it and then let me do you. Yeah,
But what I'm saying bj is, in the world we live in today,
someone could go back in time right and find a tweet you may have
put out that may be considered as misogynistic or something. And what I'm saying
is, even though we've evolved and changed, and that's the end result of
what most people want. It just to show you the error of your ways
and how maybe you should evolve now that you have. But we go back
and dig it up and rub your nose in it and try to push you
out and go, oh, this guy should what are we doing here?
Why? Well, yes, weaponize, Yeah, you know, Billy,
that is and that is like the first rule of therapy. And look,
if you asked, I have been. I've been in therapy for tons of
years. I'm heavily in therapy because I'm just my mind is the same.
And if I don't reg if I don't figure out what's going on, I'm
miserable to be around and I'm miserable to be me. So the first rule
of therapy is is that, yeah, people are going to do that.
People are always going to see you how they see you. So if their
experience with you is that you are a bad guy, they're not going to
be able to get out of the way. It would really be great if
people could go, oh, wait, you realized that wasn't cool back then,
and you've changed the next nighte. But humans don't do that, and
especially today, forget it. I mean, people cannot even see other points
of view no matter what. And the trouble is is that all I know
is if I don't continue to still be an example of the dude that I
want to be, and I go out and maybe you know, get mad
or whatever, then I just give them more ammunition to say that I'm going
to do that. They see me as here's what I found, Billy,
which is really cool. So say that tweet is out there, I mean,
O, yeah, you know what, dude. I mean, here's
the great thing I get to say. I go, dude, that was
pree therapy. And it's like, and I say, look, there's no
excuse for that. That's why I had to go get help. Now,
if they want to demonize me and villainize me and whatever, it's like,
I just go, all right, well, I get it, I get
you really upset it. I'm not going to try to defend that because that
was horrible and that's why I went to therapy. That's all I can say.
And then if they still want to, you know, cancel me,
do whatever. All right, But at some point there are going to be
people going, you know what, the only guy is talking bad into conversation
is that guy? Yes, and and so. But it takes a lot
of patience, Billy, because you and I are in an industry where everything
we do is just under a Microsoft. Well although it, hang on,
it could be misjudged. Hang on, I'm in the independent lane these days.
You're still you know, you're still on the air, and you're still
have corporate powers and things like that, which is I'm not saying it's bad
at all. I'm just saying it's different. Now I've got to go out
and do a whole lot more work to make it all work. But it's
something that at the end of the day, you own it, and it's
a it's a different it's a different game, and yet it's kind of the
same. And uh, are you reving that? Is that? Are you
loving that? Is that cool? I am? I really am. I'm
so happy. Yeah, I know, happy for you. You're you're You're
a great dude, man, and I am so happy you have found a
lane that you're happy to driving. It is and it's been a lot of
fun. And I've been able to hear from a lot of people but that
it's funny because I always thought would b J. I never got the misery
from you, Like I never saw you as a miserable person. I know
that happened, Mark, feel like I never did either. No, No,
I don't want to say it was always the up Yeah, what's up?
Guys? You don't want to be kiss utat up beat company is a
word you might have used for somebody else. I can't even believe I'm talking
to you people that's now. Yeah. Yeah, But I just think like
you were. To Mark's point, you were always upbeat and I thought you
were very smart. One of my favorite moments, though it used to have
these staff meetings, right, and there was some kind of contest to give
away or something, and there was some kind of there was a song I
don't even remember what it was put together the clock for the and like,
you know story, you told me this the gospel according to Billy through Danny.
So there's a story where like you guys are sitting there and over here
and they talked about how to build a song, build songs into the clock.
And then you said, what if we run out of time the hour,
We'll then just drop the song. And you're like, well, wait
a minute, we got this huge build up. We're just gonna drop the
song if there's no time. That was what it was. That was DJ
was always like and then I think I think it was old Man Morgan at
the time, and he freaking flipped out. He's like yelled or whatever.
I would God, it was great, Yeah, And I remember thinking,
I really but I used to love it because Beach would just go and go.
It was awesome because then I knew I could check out of the meeting.
Everybody wanted the meeting over that everybody really uh when I know, And
that was always the problem. People used to get so mad at me,
and they'd be like, look, dude, if you would shut up,
the streeting would have been over about three hours. So here here's what happened
in Seattle, and I love this about a good program director. The same
thing happened when I first got the job and worked at kis W. They
let me come to one meeting. The PD saw what I was at meetings
and immediately said, you will never have to go to another meeting again.
It was just like, this is not your place. He's like, you
don't like to see things being built, You don't like to see ideas when
people don't exactly know what they're talking about. He goes, you hate that.
You'd like come to me when you're done. Don't come to me when
you had half an idea. So Billy, this went on for like three
years. He wouldn't let me go to any meetings, and all of a
sudden, the boss comes to me and says, look, I need you
to be at this meeting. And I go, wait, meet, you
need me to be the meeting. I don't quote the meetings to go.
Now you got to go to this one. And I go and I listen.
I'm I pleaded with him because I've already been in therapy, I said,
dude, I really am in therapy. Now I'm trying to be a
good guy. You know how, I'm at meetings. He goes, Oh,
no, I want you at this meeting. So we're at this meeting
and it's about social networking. And at the time, nobody in our company
was doing social networking. I was doing my own. So I had this
expert who wanted me. I guess this expert wanted me at the meeting telling
me what I needed to do with my own Twitter, my own Twitter stuff
and my own Facebook stuff. This is my stuff, it's not even the
company stuff. And they're telling me what to do. And I'm looking at
my PD and this look on his face of glee comes on toc that I
don't take it. He's waiting and and oh dude, it was a beating
because I just told this this person was like the corporate person in charge of
whatever the hell I went out in my mind, and it was not good.
I would I pulled my PD aside and I go, dude, I
feel horrible. She was like almost in tears. This person. I go,
why did you do that? He said? He said, because I
told him you shouldn't be at meetings, and she insisted that you'd be at
that meeting. She wouldn't take she wouldn't listen to me, and I had
this, I had to teach her a lesson and wow, I go,
dude, I just got weaponized. I don't know how I feel about it.
But you know what, that's a great boss, because I always say,
and I've said on this podcast, a boss's job number one job is
to recognize what motivates BJ, what makes BJ tick, what's gonna get the
best out of beach? And it wasn't going to meetings. It would frustrate
you. You would st and ruminate on whatever was discussed and how pissed off
you were that, how dumb they were and they didn't even figre have that
that and then you would, you know, it would come out the next
day on the air or whatever, and it just becomes a big headache.
That's a you're right, that's a really smart PD. Is that something you
learned from? Uh? Dude, you know what, let me tell you
something about Weeze And I mean, he'll probably hate me for this. I
Wee's bark when it came to management was a lot bigger than his fight.
Yeah, I know, and I yeah. And that was the thing about
Weez is that you know, he would tell us stuff. But I think
he was a lot. He was a better employee than I was, and
so he really was um I remember. And you know, here's the thing,
like, like all the success that I've had in Seattle almost didn't happen
because the company hated me, and frankly I hated them. And then our
boss, the boss, I just told him. He got there and Howard
Stern was leaving and they said, we don't know what to do. And
I'm doing mid days and you know we're having success on mid days. And
so the new boss said, oh, I have a perfect idea. We
should we should put bj on in the morning. And they were like,
what are you talking about. He's the guy that screams and yells and he
hates everybody and he frees. He's so mad at every bud. And he
said, well, that's because you put him on a loser station. You
put him on a flanker. He said, how you can't ever put a
winner on a flanker and they said, he's not a winner, and they
said, this is why you don't have a winning stations. I couldn't believe
how blunt he was with them. He said, you hired me because you
don't have winning stations, because you don't have good management. That's why you
don't recognize you have a great talent in this building. He doesn't. He's
they don't. They don't scream and yell because they're crazy. It's because they
want to win, and you just don't know that because you're management's horror.
And they were like, yeah, they were, they it was. And
they said to him, they said, this will be the biggest mistake of
your career if you do this. And now he's the vice president of all
programming in the company, because they were like, I guess you knew what
you were talking about. H Richard. It's his last name, Richard,
Dave Ardea Davis. I mean, look, all I'm gonna say is my
experience with Dave the best I've ever worked with. And he I mean,
oh my god, I have never seen an anybody is brilliant and who who
at least with me, got me advocated for me, and and and he
put it out there. He just put it out there and said because he
knew, he knew, he was right. He wasn't the kind of guy
that just would, you know, be an idiot just for sake of be
an idiot, maybe like me, but he actually knew he was right and
and and he went out there and fortunately advocated. And I wouldn't be here
if not for him. So that's yeah. Good pds are amazing, man.
Good management's amazing. Good management. Mark, Mark, what's up,
buddy. I didn't realize you were there, Mark, what's going on?
I'm doing well. My memory of you, Mark, as you were like
one of the coolest, one of the nicest dudes I'd ever worked with.
So I'm glad that your memory of me is not one of being a dick,
because you were such Oh you're BG. You were always good to me,
Man. I hung out with you guys a lot on that show too.
When when yeah, yeah, you were you're good dude. We it
was it was such fun doing radio in those days. It was like I
mean, I mean, I mean CMF and weez his success at that time
in that town where I mean, it was just I was so so I
didn't know at the time because I was miserable being me, but I didn't
realize just how fortunate I was to work in that that that incredible, just
like Juggernaut that was CMF with you know, with Janet Mary and Uncle Roger
and Crohn's and I mean and and Kano all the great talent that was that
was there at the time. And man, what a special time, so
much fun. Yeah, it was. It'll never be like that ever again.
I mean no, it's not, no, never slowly, but surely
you know what I'll tell you. I'll tell you ability We have that in
Seattle. We have a great crew and it feels very much like the old
cm in these days. I don't know, I don't know how they can
do that, but it is that way at the station where I'm at,
you know, just like CMF. You know, kis somebody used a rock
station forever to celebrate our fiftieth not to want to go and music and Seattle,
I mean, the town's a great music town, which is why we're
able to flourish. They love rock music here. They they've never abandoned it
even you know, and they continue with guys like Aaron Jones, they continue
to put out greater diginal rock music here. Wow, what do you say,
BJ, I'm reading you at boot Camp two thousand and nine, and
one of the best lessons, one of the best lessons I ever got,
was you saying you're always on interview. And it's still true. It's even
more so true now today with everybody with a smartphone in their pocket. You
know, you are always on interview. It's it's so true. I say.
That's why when people in our business get up on panels and managers and
they're the most boring things in the world telling us how to be entertaining,
I sit there and I go, I go, do you realize how stupid
you look right now? It's just it's it's like, look, even when
I'm talking to you guys, I want to try to be entertaining, you
know. I mean, I know you have an audience or whatever. I
mean, that's that's what I do. I'm an entertainer. So I don't
understand how people don't get that. As soon as that microphone is on,
it's like, dude, bring it, don't be an idiot, bring it
the best. You can have fun and be authentic ass and you can,
but but bring it. And so many people just go, I won't do
that, Like all right, well, and why am I listening to you.
Why are you here? I paid money to see you. I traveled
across the country so you could sit. They're in four of the crap out
of me. Okay, great, do you still go to boot camp?
Yeah? Just went last year. I love it. There's so many great
young people that want to be in radio that I am shocked and pleasantly surprised.
And also it's not a sausage show. I think used to be.
The amount of young women that love this industry and just like they remind me
and Billy maybe you remember when like we were in our twenties where we were
like, this is all we want to do. I don't care what I
have to give up, you know, And to see that in the eyes
of young people when they try to tell us that the business is dead,
which sure the business has definitely like got to figure it out. But at
the same time, these young people are like, we want this, we
want to be here, and I am like, this is fantastic, And
you know, it's just time for the old people to step aside and let
them in, let them be there, because old people don't like to do
that. Is like I said, people look like me, oh no,
we're gonna be We're gonna be relevant forever. And it's like, hey,
grandpa, seriously, what are you talking about. You're not gotta be emlevant
forever. Look at the mirror. Nobody's gonna listen to you. Just sit
there and smile and you know, and don't. I always think beads that.
I think you're going to see things go from these big corporations back down
to smaller entities. Not just in radio, I think anywhere. I really
do. And I think when you do that, you'll bring back the personality
and win because spoken word, like what you do in the morning, what
we're doing here is what's happening. It's it's what's winning because you can play,
you can get your music from anywhere, but you can't get your personality
from anywhere. You can't and if you love BJ yeah, and I mean
I think that's gonna be that's the one difference. And you can't put artificial
intelligence with that, and you can't do any of that stuff. So I
think that that's really the winning edge. And for radio to survive, I
think on a mass scale the way they are now, some of these companies,
I heearten others it's too big and so to run it efficiently and leanly
and be able to also dance to the to the shareholders and things. You've
got to make decisions of cutting people, which then cuts exactly what is building
the company. And I think what's gonna happen is you're going to see people
break these companies up. Smaller stations are going to come about, and you're
gonna go back to almost the mom and pops and you'll have more situations like
you're in now, which I think is great. Well, I'll tell you
this, billy. You know, not Wall Street is not good for all
long, you know, and it really isn't the Wall Street mentality to me,
you know, you know, I mean shareholder stockholders. I mean they're
all asholders if you ask me, because it is they cannot see the damage
that they are doing just human beings in general. And at some point,
you know, this is why young people are going, hey, I would
like to try a differentism, and a lot of the older folks are going,
oh my god, these people are so anti American. It's like,
dude, do you just take a look. I mean I was just at
a diner and they had a little thing that told you how like back in
nineteen forty two, forty eight, when the diner opened, they said,
here's how much it cost to buy a house. It's like seven thousand dollars.
And then here's how much the average person made with like twenty five five
hundred dollars. And I'm like, holy crap. I mean, you take
a look at those numbers today and there's no way you could buy a house
for just a little over double your salary. Right. And so when anybody
wants to say, oh, hey, well you're hate capitalism, I go,
how is this the success You just you know, you just ask anybody,
how is it that nineteen forty eight average person could do this? And
here it is in twenty twenty three, a person who's highly educated with a
ridiculous amount of college debt can't even get this deal on a home. How
is that a success story? That to me is an abortion of business.
And I think has to do everything with Wall Street and the shareholders. And
you know what, at some point, you know, the inmates, you're
going to go f this, We are going to take over the asylum.
I think you're starting to see it, and I think you're starting to see
it with things as people go these independent ways, and somebody's created a drinking
game because I see use some phrases too much and they've added this one.
I always say, the barrier to entry is gone, right. Anybody can
do this right. You don't. You don't need a radio station anymore.
You've got you can buy the microp, you can buy the equipment. It's
a lot cheaper than you think. You can find the space. And if
you do it right, you can win. You can. I mean you
got to love it, yeah, but you can win. And I think
that when you you know to what you're saying as you're going to see changes
because people have had enough and they don't need the big corporations anymore. They
don't need Wall Street to be able to get their message out. You know
you're looking at I mean guys who are sure there are podcasters who make millions
of dollars, but they didn't start out that way. Yeah, you know,
Billy, And look all all it takes for a person to do anything
that they want to do in life that they go, Okay, I mean,
what do I need to live? And the average the average American is
very reasonable when it comes to like what they need to live? They don't
want a skillion dollars. The average American is like, you know, hey,
whatever, And that means if you, like you said, you're the
freedom to do what you want as long as you're reasonable with how you want
to live in right. And dude, I so happy that you're doing this
because you know what, You've been a great dude in your whole life,
and you know it's just to me, I'm sad you're not in our business.
I find I keep saying that's a lot about people that are no longer
in our business. It saddens me that you know they're not in our business
anymore for whatever reason. But I'm happy that you're still doing it because man,
I think you should be. Yeah, and and and to me,
it was like there was nothing else to do, and I thought, let's
see, and so far, so good, you know, and and getting
better, which is really yeah, that really is. It's very good.
I'm so glad you agreed to come on. I'd love to I'm gonna get
your number from Kevin and then UH get you when I do the other one,
because I'd love to get some great stories from you. And I hope
I gave Kevin the burner phone number, because I really I'll find you.
I know, I got people in Covin. I'll find you, don't.
I don't know if I need that, but yeah, bully, thank you
so much. Mark, and I didn't. Who's the other dude that I
love, Dan Barillo. We used to call him Christian Day. Yeah.
Oh hey, yeah, hey Dann Hey buddy. Yeah, so guy,
thank you so much for having me on. I want a great trip back
down in memory lane. And you know, while I can still remember,
that's the thing, you know, I might then campbell out at any moment
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Beach, thank you, Say hi to Miggs. All right, taking easy,
buddy, see you later. There he goes. That was a great
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