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It's the Bill Moran Podcast. Hello
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Thanks for liking our page on Facebook
Filified. I'm in Rhinebeck. Thank you

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to all the people who asked about
my mom and her surgery. It went

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very well yesterday. Lots of adventures
to tell you about when I get back.

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But you know what I did notice
today I had to go for a

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walk because all these people are bringing
over food and stuff. Like at eight

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thirty this morning, I'm doing something
around here. My mom was still in

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the hospital. She got out today. They kept her overnight. And a

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woman comes over and she's going,
Hi, I have brownies and ice cream.

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It's like all this stuff. Every
time I come here, I get

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freaking fat, fatter and fatter.
So I went for a walk today.

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But I'm walking and I noticed somebody
in a motorized cart, like a like

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a wheelchair, motorized wheelchair, and
the person looked big. But I don't

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know, maybe there's a disability.
They're not walking. It just kind of

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struck me funny. They're out in
the fresh air, cruising up this country

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road in Rhinebeck, New York,
coming along smoking a cigarette. Now I

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don't know if they ate their way
into the chair, but that was my

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assumption after seeing Isn't that awful to
judge like that? It's awful to judge

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like that. So I thought it'd
be kind of fun today to do a

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podcast that reunites two old radio partners. Back in the nineties in the Greater

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Rochester area, they were building a
bench because they thought Brother Weez was sick.

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At the time. He was not, but there was worry that he

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had pancreatic cancer, and so they
were bringing in people to eventually just replace

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him if need be. If you
know anything about radio and Rochester, there

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was no need. The man is
still going strong. So BJ had been

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a partner of brother Weiss a while
ago. So BJ has been on this

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podcast, but so his bull and
in the afternoon they had BJ and the

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Bull. So I thought it would
be fun to go back. We do

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a mystery guest where Kevin lines up
people from my past, and he's had

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Bull on and we've had BJ on. So I thought we would do BJ

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and the Bull, But I'm gonna
start with Bull all right, so that

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these are kind of cool because you
go back in memory lane and maybe he

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didn't hear these, maybe he did, but it's it's fun to listen to

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again. Before we get into that, though, I want to remind you

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They got all kinds of great specials
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try a couple of things, the
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onions. And I really really really
want to try the chicken French melt.

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right, we should celebrate Flag Day
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think with the state of things,
that's right, we should do that A

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little special show today. There used
to be one called BJ and the Ball

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back in the day on WCMF in
the UH. I guess it was the

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mid to late nineties, and we
have had both Bull and BJ on this

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podcast Unbillified, and I thought it'd
be fun to take a little trip back

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and revisit those kind conversations because they're
very interesting. And the Bull one,

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well, we'll start with him because
he gets a little saucy because he did

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some saucy things in his radio career. Now, Bull, you've had quite

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the career in broadcast. Well,
thank you. No, Well, I

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mean, but you've had some You've
had some like stellar moments, and when

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I see step almost like notable memorable
people still talk about moments from you.

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Yeah, I appreciate that. No, I mean, I'm not sure what

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those are, but I mean you
can, you can fill the end.

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I've heard a few of these.
That time we got hitting the nuts in

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the siline of the Bills game.
I don't yes, did you get a

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staff infection from the drinking out of
the Calder Cup? Is that true?

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No? He got strapped throat,
he gets strapped, And I remember that

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because I was with him. I
was with him and I wouldn't do it,

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and I think he called me a
pushy and he drank. I go,

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everybody's getting fucking strapped. Here,
guess what happened. Everybody got bull

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Okay, it wasn't a staff infection. No, it was not a staff

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infection. That was when didn't I
have you come down? And I hung

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him from the crane. They were
playing the Pirates and I had a game

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called Beat the Pirate and we had
CDs taped to his body and people would

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come down. I hire, I
got a crane to come down like up

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tow truck, and we put him
in a like a rock climbing gear and

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lifted Kevin up. People beat him
with like a plastic bat. Charity of

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course, but bold, No,
there was that. But I was thinking

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of and I don't know how comfortable
you are. I see. That's the

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thing. As I would have prepped
you if I knew you were coming on,

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I would have said, can I
bring these things up? I don't

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know if there's anything off limits.
I mean, I think I know what

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you're gonna say, and no,
I mean it's not. It's it's pretty

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famous. Most people in Rochester that
have listened to the radio over the years

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probably have some idea what you're talking
about. But can I just tell you

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before before I reveal what it is
for people who may not maybe guessing and

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go, no, I know,
or maybe I don't know. I felt

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terrible for you. Well, I
appreciate that. It was because I had

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the hardest Yeah, go ahead,
Yeah it was. It was one of

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those things where and well, okay, so let's reset a little bit for

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and I appreciate you thinking enough of
me to think that people, even though

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I've been gone from Rochester for almost
twenty five years, still even remember me.

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Um. I appreciate that a ton
um. But for people that don't

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know, I grew up Rochester intern
for Weeze, and I worked on the

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morning show for years and years and
years and produced a show, then ended

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up doing a thing with with DJ, and then we all got blown out

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and corporated Bull Bull That's right,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we actually,

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um it was crazy man. We
we had believe it or not.

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Um, we had better ratings than
We's. We had like a twenty share,

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and they still blew us out because
they were cost cutting, because it

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was we're going They're going from one
you know, corporate giant to another,

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and so we both got blown out. I ended up going to Buffalo,

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I don't know, four months six
months later, and then that BJ went

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on to Seattle and he said there
ever since, just crushing it on on

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one of the you know, the
just the legendary um rock stations out there.

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And in fact, he's at the
station where your idol, Bob Rivers

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was forever. Yeah Bob was.
I think yeah, aw, I don't

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know, w yeah, I don't
know. I don't know where BJ,

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but he maybe I know the Bob's
retired. I think he is, Yeah,

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yeah, because I think I think
they. I think after Bob they

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went to Howard, and then when
Howard went to Satellite, they tried BJ.

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They didn't take the national stuff that
was out there, Okay, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, yea, so BJ is still there.

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He's been there for forever. Yep, he's just crushing it anyway. So

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that that's my backstory for people that
are listening to have no idea who the

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hell I am. Um, but
thank you Billy for having me on and

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considering me, you know, one
of those guys. So anyway, I'm

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interning. No, you know what, I wasn't interning with Wheezy. Oh

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you were on the show. I
was on the show. That's right,

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it was. It was at Winton
Road. Um when I started. It

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was at Monroe Avenue back in the
day. And um, it's it's really

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crazy. And you've probably talked about
this with I know you had Canaan recently,

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but um, for people that don't
know, back in like the mid

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to late eighties, CBS and Rochester
was like as big of a rock station

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and with as legendary of rock programmers
in jocks as any station in the country.

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It was ridiculous. And then and
then the people that produced was absurd.

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Yeah, I mean it produced you. Opie came out of there,

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Opie and I interned at the exacting
time. Um. Anyway, Charlie,

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who now has an empire of restaurants. Really no, but people who did

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very well, you're right, yeah
yeah. And so anyway, and we

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end up we're at Winton Road and
now we're gonna get handed against or saw

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sorry instints along. Um, and
we've has this woman I'm named Laura Corn.

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And Laura Corn was a sex therapist. I guess um she had written

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books and did all these things with
like, wait, it was Laura Corn.

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I thought it was somebody else.
No, it was Laura Corn.

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Okay, all right, okay,
And so you know, the big joke

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back then was, you know,
uh, you know, Bull doesn't have

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a girlfriend. He's really shy,
he doesn't go on dates. And I

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was kind of the whipping boy for
that kind of thing, and I was

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okay with it. I didn't care
because it was true. Was so sad

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and pathetic. But needless to say, she comes in and we's just like,

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wow, you know you got your
issues, bro, you know you're

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you're shy, you're probably you know, I'm guess me, I haven't gotten

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in a while, and blah blah
blah. You know, Laura could help

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you out. Maybe maybe she could
give you some tips. She also didn't

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she call herself a sex surrogate,
a sex surrogate, like she would yeah

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yeah, like she would step in
to help someone. Yeah, oh yeah,

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yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, gone. And and

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then then and then I have a
lot to say after we go ahead.

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So so uh so we like brought
Look, well we have a phone call.

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There's a marriat right down the street
of Jefferson Road. Just we'll get

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you guys a room and then she
can teach you how to do all the

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things and you'll be a brand new
man when you're done. And and I'm

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kind of like, I don't know, man, like you know, she's

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kind of like she's kind of like
almost like a hooker. Yeah. Yes,

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And here's the thing, Like bull
is a guy who who went to

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McQuaid Catholic upbringing, I would assume, right, yeah, yeah, I

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mean I think there a fish Yeah, I went to Fisher, right,

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yes, but I mean, like
just just your u this is just I

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don't think it sat well with you. But you were you were cool.

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You tried to do the radio bit. Yeah, and while the other thing

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with my parents were alive, and
yeah, I would occasionally an attempt to

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stomach what was happening on the radio
program um and so I was a little

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nervous about that, but I was
like, okay whatever. And then we

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we were like, okay, I'll
play along. So we got in the

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car, we drove and I said
to her, this is just a radio

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bit. We're just we're just playing
a line. She's like, absolutely not.

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I'm gonna teach you some We're gonna
have some fun. Yeah yeah.

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I'm like yeah, okay, uh
and then honestly we can. It proceeded

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to have some fun um and and
and and after the fact I got done,

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I was like, you know,
if I was going to have a

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girlfriend or going to get laid,
um it probably you know. I felt

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like it wasn't gonna now I had
just done. Yeah. So I remember

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the way I remember it on the
radio play now was you called when he

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got there, and then we just
goes right, brod, do you think

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we'll check back? And then then
there was the call after and I remember

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you sounding like kind of like you
almost wish you hadn't done. I don't

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know that was That's what I remember. Now, that's twenty five years ago,

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so memory could be faulty, you
know what I'm saying, Like my

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memory of it could be faulty,
but I do remember you coming back and

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being uncomfortable, and I remember somebody
confronting you from the sales department. Yeah,

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I don't remember that. I do. I remember that somebody saying I

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thought I thought more of you or
something, and I remember seeing your head

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drop and I go, oh,
that's the shittiest. Why would you fuck

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it? I was like, why
would you do that? To the kind

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to block out and most of the
bad things have ever happened to me?

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Well, okay, but I but
but in a way like this was a

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it was a bit, and he
went through with the bit, and then

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afterwards just I think, did you
have some remorse? Well? So,

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yeah, So what ended up happening
was did the bit was what it was?

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And then later that night we were
I don't know, I don't know

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if I called Tommy or something like
somehow Tommy and I were having dinner.

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Maybe we had already had plans or
something, or or I had maybe expressed

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to him that I didn't feel great
about what had happened, and he's like,

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dude, let's just go get dinner
and some drinks. Later we'll talk

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about him Like, Okay, yeah, and by the way, experienced with

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hookers. Yeah, that's how you
do it. Yeah. Uh so we

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ended up going to dinner and he
basically talked me through and he goes,

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dude, look it, um,
let's go on the show tomorrow. We're

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gonna tell you tell exactly like it
is, and you're gonna say how you

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feel. You're gonna see it.
Say you feel like a little dirty and

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whatever, and it's just not you, and it's not who you are.

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It's not you know who you know, you you your parents raised and blah

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blah blah blah blah. And yes, you're gonna sound kind of like a

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goody two shoes, but oh that's
you whatever. You're a good guy,

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you're a good kid. And that
was the Wee Show authentic, right,

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I mean that was the show.
Yeah. So um yeah, so that

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was probably, uh the the craziest
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And I guess yeah, I mean, you know, every time I

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talked to Wes, and I don't
talk to him as much as I'd like

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to you, but um, you
know occasionally that that will come up with

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somebody will tell me, remind me
about it or um. So yeah,

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it was. It was one of
the strangest things ever, Like that was

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just like a strange thing to happen. Who gets laid on the radio live?

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Right? You know what I'm saying, This is the thing, right,

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and you get to play by play
afterwards, and Laura's all, oh

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he was. He was a little
shy, you know. I was like,

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oh God. And when you think
about it, try to put yourself

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in that, you know, perform
on demand. I mean, I'm not

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a porn star with fluffers or they
got fluffers. By the way, people

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you've gone to work with the Bills, I mean you go into the bathroom

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at a Bills game. It might
take you twenty minutes before you finally like

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finished, because you get performance anxiety. It's like what sex feeling. I

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can't go, I can't go the
lines go to behind me, I can't

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It's weird. The only other yeah, go ahead. I was gonna say,

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to be completely honest, I mean
she was in all sense of the

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worst. She was a professional.
I mean she she worked with people like

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me all the time. So you
know, it was one of those things.

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I am curious, did you did
you did a go into be with

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this lady. Yeah, no,
no, yeah, no, okay,

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did you take anything away from your
education at that time? So what did

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she do? Bo? She was
she just kind of held my hand,

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um through the process, if you
will, um. And so she she

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she tried to make it, you
know, very comfortable and you know,

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don't worry about anything, just just
follow my lead kind of thing. Um,

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did you hand? So wait you
had sex with her? No?

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Oh okay, but but there's things
other things right, so right, okay,

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all right, okay, all right, I did not have sex with

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that. Okay, Well, anyway, the other thing I do remember that

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ball was and this is just sort
of a funny and it wasn't his fault,

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but it was funny. It wasn't
funny, it was ironic. I

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don't even know if that's the right
word. There was a tragedy that happened

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where a guy, Oh my god, So I'm the promotion director and we

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spring into action because this fan funny. I'm sorry I laughed. No,

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it's kind of it's kind of funny. New well, it's kind of funny.

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Now. It's one of these things
because it wasn't I don't think it

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was your fault. I just think
it was everybody was moving, everybody.

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So Someboddy claimed that there was a
fire at their house and I think a

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couple of their children died, and
um, they needed some help. So

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they had called the Wei Show or
or we's found out about it the night

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before. He wants to do a
live broadcast raise money. We are you

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know, flying high, Hooters come, we get hooters, We go there.

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It was such a big deal that
the country station came down with a

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check and donated money to this family
because they had lost children, they had

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lost their house, and so all
this stuff goes on. They now are

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going to go back. I mean, I think the broadcast right through Kano

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show. I think we were there, well at least till it might have

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been because you were doing Afternoons and
book comes on in the first song in

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places burning down, the talk had
now ten his defense. What I think

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happened was there was a log and
we would screamed that if we played any

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log, and I think I think
Bull was probably waiting for weeze and at

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any moment it's gonna end, and
so we gotta get going here and blah

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blah blah, and so we had
the song cute and I don't think it

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was even It was like you were
kind of on muscle memory, right,

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I'm ready to go spring into action
and take over the controls here when he's

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ready. And then that was the
song, and it was the funniest I

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remember everybody going, what does he
play? But I mean the family showed

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up at at Hooters. They had
soot. Like if you've ever had a

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furnace backup, let's not say a
fire, but a furnace backup in your

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house while you know, like in
the middle of the night, everybody breathing

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through their nose. They've got black
you know, black marks going up into

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their nostrils and things. So all
this stuff. It turned out like a

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couple days later that the wife was
out and the husband thought she was cheating

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and he got pissed off, so
he lit a fire, like lit the

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house on phonh My gosh. So
now Weis is like I raised all this

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money, He's feeling like shit.
The news is crawling around Sister Sleez happened

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to be in town. He's got
We're trying to set up interviews with Weis.

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Go bro, I can't believe it. I don't know what to do.

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And the only thing that I took
away from that moment was people,

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you give from a good place if
the person who's receiving did it bad.

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I still gave from a good place
and I didn't give, and I would

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think most people you shouldn't give till
you can't. You know what I'm saying,

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you can't function right If if if
I gave five thousand dollars and I

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don't have it, well, then
that's an idiot move. But if I

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gave five dollars and that's no problem. And you know a bunch of people

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that day gave five hundred dollars checks
businesses did, but there was all money

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that they probably had earmarked, some
of those businesses anyway for charity. So

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it was no big deal. But
I know that weis felt awful the whole

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thing. It was just amage.
Yeah, good thing it wasn't too for

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Tuesday could play Jimmy Hendricks right after
that. That was brutal man. I

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remember that vividly, and I just
felt so bad, and I was just

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like, you're right, I mean, you know how it is. Yes,

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shift chain, Yes you're coming into
the studio. You got a bunch

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of shit going on. Yeah,
and and you're like, you get you,

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here's your law, here's your first
time. You just get it ready

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to go right, it's not and
it's not even digital back then, you're

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playing a CD that's in a jewel
case. You're you know. I was

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told both because in the days that
I came into radio, when it's all

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digital. So I was told that
in those days, the previous jock would

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pull the first hour of music for
you. So did somebody try to sabotage

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you by pulling the music and having
that song there for you? First?

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Both of you, guys. I
know I was to say it was you.

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He said it was you. It's
not pointing fingers brundus together dan uh.

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That was funny. And and then
both I don't know, like if

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you can or are willing to,
but I know that you had a very

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popular show in the morning in Buffalo, and then that came to a quick

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end, and and maybe not rightfully
so for you in many's opinion and including

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mine, I think, but yeah, it came to an abrupt ending.

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I will go to my grave believing
that I did absolutely nothing wrong. Um,

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you know what happened happened at honestly, it couldn't have happened at the

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worst time at a worst time.
Rather um, in terms of what was

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happening, you know, culturally in
the country and for those of you that

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don't know, basically, I was
part of a morning show in Buffalo and

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one of my co hosts told a
joke that some deemed inappropriate, and I

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was suspended for a couple of weeks
and then ultimately fired with the rest of

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the show and a program director.
And you know, there was a lot

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of other fall ups from that.
I mean I was never not once was

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I the target of anyone, because
I feel like most people that had um,

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any kind of of you know,
brain listening to what actually happened,

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understood that I really I didn't do
anything. And my whole response to what

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happened was very simply to try and
and and change the narrative of what was

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happening, and um and and you
know, unfortunately the company that I that

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I worked for, you know,
I didn't see it that way. And

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you know, I was let go
for being associated with something and um,

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you know they call it, uh, you know, shrapnel or friendly fire

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or whatever, cross being caught in
a cross fire or whatever that may have

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been it. Um, but yeah, I'll be honest, I'm still I'm

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still Um, I'm scarred from it. Yeah, not sure you are.

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Yeah, it's it's it's something I
worked very hard for to get to where

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I got and uh and it was
literally stripped for me and virtunally no time.

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So um, it's something that I've
really tried to deal with. I've

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had, you know, mental issues
and um, you know, God bless

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my my wife for standing by me
and being my my rock and my strength.

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And you know, we're we're doing
good. We were just positive attituding.

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Hey, and I just want to
I'm so glad that I could bring

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up every painful, shitty thing that
happened to you in radio in one brief

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conversation. I am so sorry.
But I just know, like all all

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three of those things were like I
mean, there were significant things in the

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moment of time. I mean,
that was a big bit that people still

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remember on the WII Show with Laura
Corn That was just a funny moment that

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people probably don't remember. I just
remember being a big deal and feeling bad

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again because I go, it's not
it's not his fault. Like I get

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it. You're the last like you're
the backstop. You're the last person there.

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But still come on and then uh, and then the same thing in

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Buffalo, and it's a it's a
shitty thing. If you could do anything,

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what do you want to do?
Um? I mean I would.

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I would love to do. I'd
love to get back into radio. Man,

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it's what I do. I was
talking of. I would sports if

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nothing else sports radio, somehow do
sports? I mean for pople, I

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don't know. Um. I was
for fifteen years part of the Bills radio

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network. I did three game,
I did postgame, I did sideline for

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three years with the Bills. I
traveled with the team on the charter for

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three years, you know, went
to all the road games, did all

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the locker room interviews after the games, and um, that's the stuff I

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love. I mean, I'm fortunate
to be able to do a television show

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and an independent station up here in
Buffalo, Bill's pregame show that I love

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doing as well. So you know, my god, if there's anything I

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could do, it would be to
either um, you know, do something

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sports related, whether it's television or
radio or both or one or the other,

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or do some sort of a you
know, the sports Base podcast,

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and I've been doing a podcast,
just small plug called Bull in the Basement.

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It's it's on YouTube. You can
look it up. Um. And

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basically this won't help Rochester people in
general, um because I generally just interview

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Buffalo air quote celebrities, most of
whom are sports people. So yeah,

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Rochester people will know a lot of
them, but not all of them.

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But it's just basically a long form
Q and a interview, which I love

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doing. I love interview people.
I love talking to people. I love

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getting deep into their stories. And
so, anyway, where are you?

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Uh so it's only on YouTube.
Uh yeah, it's it's yeah, it's

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on YouTube, but it's also available
um on. Oh gosh, I can't

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believe I'm going blank on this.
We'll forget it. Just go to YouTube.

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Just look a bull in the Basement. That's all I got to do.

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We need to team up. We'll
get that out. I'm serious,

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get it out and well let's sell
it and let's let's let's fucking go.

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Yeah. Man. Um, So
and you're you're doing like you know,

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not to blow smoke, but you
do what You're killing it, dude.

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00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:11,480
I love what you've got going on
with your bilify. I joke with you

407
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:15,559
that it should I'll do mind,
and I said, go ahead, go

408
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,400
for it. That's fine. I
have no problems. I loved it.

409
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,880
It's it's it is, you know, I mean, it's a it's a

410
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,599
grind. But I had a thought
today that, uh, you know,

411
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,319
I'm a big believer in when you're
if you have a little wobble moment,

412
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,359
let's call it that, right,
you'll wobble on something, go for the

413
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:37,160
better feeling thought. And I thought, you know, I I this is

414
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,839
going. You're right, it's going
very well. And uh, I'm loving

415
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,000
it. And I think, and
I was gonna say, that's the point

416
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:48,359
for you. You're you, you're
loving what you're doing, and you're good

417
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,559
at loving what you're doing, right, um, and you love it being

418
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:56,319
good at what you do. So
all of that together um brings brings the

419
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,640
special harmony for somebody. And that's
that's awesome. That's why I'm so happy

420
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,759
for you to you're doing what you're
good at and what you love. And

421
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,799
ultimately, I mean, I joke
with people all the time, and I'm

422
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:08,440
sure you have two that I did. I didn't have a real job for

423
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,400
myself. My whole adult life,
I never worked a real job, and

424
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:15,920
for the last nine months, I've
been working a real job and I'm I'm

425
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:22,440
here feeling sorry for myself, and
this is really hard. It just sucks,

426
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,000
like really like everybody else hits ninety
nine percent of everybody else. Ken

427
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,440
is keeve gone through what I've gone
through in the last nine months, and

428
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,880
I'm like, and everyone's like,
shut your mouth. You have lived like

429
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,680
the best life ever, more than
most people with dream of living. So

430
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:41,400
just do your work, work for
another years or whatever the hell it is.

431
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:45,400
So you're going to retire and then
then go back to your your your

432
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,480
make believe fun life brow as long
as you did. Yeah, I hear

433
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,720
you. I think ahead, Danny
Well. I mean I get my first

434
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,680
exposure to Bull driving home from my
senior year of high school on one or

435
00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:00,880
three three to the edge. He
was doing afternoons and playing my favorite music,

436
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,839
which is rock alternative. And I
mean, I've I've heard you with

437
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,400
the bills and everything else, Bull, And I gotta tell you like that,

438
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,960
there's a morning show in Buffalo that
does sports that just had an opening,

439
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:12,359
and I think that you should be
the guy, because that station could

440
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,519
use a lot of help. Okay, they can do some personality, but

441
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:21,960
they can use It's simply just I'm
sorry, I can't deal just sports,

442
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,400
sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, and bully, you'd add

443
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,599
a real life perspective. It wasn't
just sports with you when you did sports,

444
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,359
you know what I'm saying. It
was it was life too. Yeah,

445
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:36,680
for sure. Um, I mean
there are things. I trust me,

446
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,680
I'm friendly with a lot of the
guys over there, and there are

447
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,920
and I and I did my own
sports talk show on an AM for five

448
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:52,480
years right here in Buffalo, and
I purposely kind of I mean, you

449
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,519
cannot do a sports talk show in
Buffalo and and and and ignore the Bills

450
00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,880
and the Savers obviously, but you
know, I wanted to talk about the

451
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,640
Bandit's and the Bisons and and and
ub and even a little bit of the

452
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,279
other sports that aren't here, like
a little bit of baseball, a little

453
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:12,559
bit of basketball, a little bit
of national college sports that that just don't

454
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,599
get talked about here. Um,
and and I get it. I mean,

455
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,960
the thirst for for Bills and Sabers
and Buffalo is over the top,

456
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:24,240
especially with the successes the Bills have
had and you know the Sabers. I

457
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:27,400
don't know what the score is of
the Edmonton game. I know they were

458
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,720
down one nothing last a check,
but um but you know the Sabers,

459
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:37,519
there's a lot of real feel good
with Thompson and Dalen and talk in that

460
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,279
group. Um, so there's a
lot of a lot of you know,

461
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:47,759
upward generated good feelings for that team
too. So people are are just so

462
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,440
thirsty for the two sports. But
I sometimes for me it just gets it's

463
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:58,960
it's almost too much because it's so
repetitive. Everybody's tart about the same thing

464
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,000
over and over and over. Here's
the thing that I want to say,

465
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:06,079
from a business perspective, You're you're
dealing with two different animals when you talk

466
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,160
radio and you talk podcasts. Because
radio, the average person listens for eight

467
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,960
minutes, so repeating, repeating,
repeating, and if it's not necessarily a

468
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,599
bad formula, even on a talk
station. And think of Top forty with

469
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:21,720
like, how often we would hear
I don't know Harry styles, right,

470
00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:23,680
you can hear it over and over. But on the other side, I

471
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,519
would say, you know, watch
keep your eye on the podcast stuff.

472
00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:32,839
Learn that stuff because I will tell
you that I still talk to and I

473
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,480
was doing a lot of national stuff
for iHeart before I left, and there

474
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:38,599
are some guys that are higher up
in the company that I talked to,

475
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:44,400
and and I just I know this
for a fact that a major broadcast company,

476
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:50,519
iHeartMedia, has had multiple meetings in
the past week to two weeks that

477
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,400
have been all the entire company,
but only on the sales side, so

478
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,000
not the programming side. And it's
all about podcast It's all about selling podcasts,

479
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,000
and that's it. They're not talking
about anything else. They're talking about

480
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,239
that. So this is kind of
where you know, they're even pushing because

481
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,800
they're seeing it now. And I
think that, you know, for you,

482
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:14,719
it would be great do it the
way you want to do it.

483
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,760
And eighty eight percent of people who
listens, you know, listen to the

484
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,239
whole thing. So I think you
got a good thing going there, and

485
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:27,079
I think that a regional podcast will
work. Yeah, I'd love to be

486
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:30,079
part of that, so um,
yeah, for sure. Listen, you

487
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,760
guys have been talking a lot about
me. I gotta I gotta talk about

488
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,320
mir animal a little bit very quickly, and it's it's sadly not really dirty.

489
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:45,079
But like, the one thing I
do remember probably most about Bill is

490
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:51,239
that, well two things. First
of all, I don't know why,

491
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,119
but I always felt like, and
maybe you told this to me at one

492
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:59,719
point or not, but I always
felt like you had this sort of man

493
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,480
count thing going on, like and
I mean that momentary that is that would

494
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,400
probably be a very fair thing at
back then. Yeah, and then I

495
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:14,000
and then I met him and I
got off that really but that's fair.

496
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,679
That's no, that's very fair.
And uh, I mean you you got

497
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,440
the pipes, you had, the
energy, you had, the you know,

498
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,960
the sense of humor, the incredible
writing skills, Like I was was

499
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,599
was watching and listening the other day
with you guys, and and what was

500
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,960
it? Ross jokes? Right?
Yeah? Yeah, I mean, my

501
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:37,880
god, like brilliant, really great
and I think I even might might have

502
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,079
posted something on Facebook about it.
But I mean they were really really fantastic.

503
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:43,920
But that was you, and you
were always creative and thinking outside the

504
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,360
box. And and the other thing
I remember really about you is that you

505
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,079
were a guy who I mean,
if there was ever a sponge when it

506
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,719
came to radio, it was you. I mean, you soaked up everything.

507
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,199
You were like a radio historian.
You would go back to Bob Wolfe.

508
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,760
Was that the guy's name? Yeah, that was the guy I worked

509
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:09,239
for? Yeah, whatever it was
y Um, And I mean you always

510
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,199
talked about that guy and how you
loved that guy and and and you're just

511
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,159
like the student of radio and that
and then you know, you became you

512
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:22,679
know, enormous in Rochester and um, you know here you are so well,

513
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,880
that's very nice to say at all. No, it's nice for you

514
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,000
to say. I think that You're
right. I loved it. And then

515
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:35,159
as I got into it more and
more I could see what was kind of

516
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:38,840
bullshit and what wasn't and uh,
and you could kind of just focus.

517
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,800
I've always been like this, I
just want to focus on winning. And

518
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,760
once you do that, you kind
of knock out the noise of everything else

519
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,280
and it didn't matter. And no
matter what happens, that has always been

520
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,960
my mentality. And you know,
I my situation is my situation. But

521
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:58,639
I wasn't. I just turned around
and go, fuck it, let's do

522
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:00,639
this. Let's see what happened.
Well, what's the worst that's gonna happen.

523
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:05,360
I'm gonna fall in my face,
right nobody cares. Nobody cares,

524
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,119
right, and that you know,
in the end, nobody's gonna be sure.

525
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,920
There'll be the few people that go, I knew he'd fail or I

526
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,719
hope he'd fail, And yeah,
okay, that's fine. Look, if

527
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,119
you want to be that person,
I'd rather just focus on on something good.

528
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:20,360
But I think you should keep doing
it because I think you know,

529
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,400
to to Danny's point, you have
a real talent there and and certainly the

530
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:29,119
knowledge and the relationships in that town. Yeah, it's fun to do too,

531
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:31,880
And to be honest, Um,
since I've been doing my my real

532
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,039
job over the last nine months,
I've kind of uh, you know,

533
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,480
done my podcast lesson lesson and I
have been meaning to get back to doing

534
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,079
it more and more. And I
think, now, um, you know,

535
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,159
this might be one of those um
sort of kicks in the ass that

536
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,960
I need to get it back going
again. Even if right, even if

537
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,159
you did it once a week,
I mean, the one thing that you

538
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,360
got to do is just be consistent
in whatever you decide that's right, and

539
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,280
then from there you can certainly grow. But I think, yeah, man,

540
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,920
do that, and then let's get
it up. Our listener out of

541
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,440
the skull right now. Now they're
eating this up. It sounds like you

542
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:13,559
and me are just having a phone
conversation. Well it's a podcast. You

543
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,679
get away with that. If I
remember one time, Bull, I'll never

544
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,159
forget this. I was at a
job that I hated too in between radio

545
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,639
jobs. Yeah I know, and
you texted me out of the blue and

546
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,800
say, hey, I'm hearing that
one of those stations may flip the sports

547
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,920
so I would get my resume over
there. Now they never did, Yeah,

548
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,719
they were going to. But it
was really cool. Bull reaches out

549
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,079
to me. Yeah, all the
people, Buffalo, he reaches out to

550
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:37,159
me. Very cool, and I
appreciate it. Always always been I've always

551
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:38,840
I've always loved you, Bull,
Yeah, always been a good guy.

552
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:44,159
I mean, look, I mean
what I I like to help people and

553
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:45,760
and do my best to do that
whenever I can. I mean, I

554
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:52,880
I clearly don't want to take it
my job, but anything else right,

555
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,199
All right, Ball, it's been
a pleasure. We got to do it

556
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,679
again. And if you're ever in
Rochester, come in and hang. But

557
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,920
would be fun to have you on
more often. Yeah, well, I

558
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,519
mean if I'm not that far away, so I can you know. Hell,

559
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,800
you got a place to crash.
Maybe one night we'll do that down,

560
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:12,960
we'll do the show. We'll go
get some drinks and uh whatever,

561
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:21,360
just down the road. Nice circle
back, very good, very good done.

562
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:25,000
Thank you bull, Thank you guys. I appreciate it. Thank great

563
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:30,000
job. Keep up a good work. Thank you. That was I didn't

564
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:32,719
mean to all of a sudden,
whether there's three shitty three shitty things.

565
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,000
Hey man, remember when he did
this, did this and what happened here?

566
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:38,039
Yes, like the Chris Farley Show. I didn't mean it like you

567
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:42,920
remember when when you were in the
Beatles. I should have asked him about

568
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,199
the time he and BJ sat on
Saint Patrick's day in the jacuzzi filled with

569
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:53,039
lucky charms and milk and broadcast from
Hooters. I didn't did every hack shit.

570
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:55,559
I didn't want to say it,
Tam, but he did every hack

571
00:39:55,639 --> 00:40:00,039
shit thing BJ was. I mean
he did. They used to take Bob

572
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:04,440
and Tom bits and double over the
laughter. And that wasn't bowl. That

573
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,719
was BJ and BJ did go on
to have a good because here's why,

574
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:13,000
just like me with Man Caw,
you find out what once you can find

575
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:16,199
your own voice and you'll hear everybody
always says that find your own voice.

576
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:19,760
Find your own voice, if whether
it be writing, whether it be comedy,

577
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,679
whether it's anything. And everybody starts
out emulating somebody and somebody that connects

578
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:30,079
with them, and then until you
feel like you realize, hold on a

579
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:34,280
second, these guys shit, I
don't just talk, and then you kind

580
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,960
of get it. And brother Weaves
was always that way and always preached that

581
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,000
way. But sometimes you know,
it takes you a minute to find your

582
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,239
footing. And I think bj took
a minute to find his foot but he's

583
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,760
he's exploded in Seattle. He's the
biggest thing out there. Oh, if

584
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,159
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585
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587
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633
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Day Jimmie Hendricks playing the star spangled
banner at Woodstock nineteen sixty nineties. Is

634
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that fifty four years ago? Today, we're doing a kind of a flashback

635
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,800
and putting together two old radio partners, b J and The Bowl. We'd

636
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,920
heard Bowl a little while ago from
when he was on the podcast as a

637
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,320
mystery guest, and great stories from
his radio career. And BJ still beloved

638
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,679
in the Greater Rochester area even though
he hasn't been here in a long time,

639
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:21,920
and he really built an unbelievable talk
show in Seattle Cry. His former

640
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:29,440
partner was a mystery guest, his
former is it BJ? Wait? BJT

641
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,960
got beach out the show? Shit? BJ? How are you man?

642
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,760
Hey, Billy? What's up,
buddy? I can't believe it. It's

643
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,960
so funny. I just saw BJ
online as a guest on somebody else's podcast.

644
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,480
Oh that's right, Yeah, I'll
go anywhere, Billy. I can't

645
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,840
get enough attention, you know that, So listen. It's so funny because

646
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,440
I was thinking of people, and
I want to do another podcast called Radio

647
00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:00,880
Days, and it would just be
about the weird shit you experienced while in

648
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:06,559
radio. And I know, I
know you've done I know you've experienced a

649
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:09,679
lot. I mean I'm talking like
whatever went on with management stuff or I

650
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,719
mean BJ did everything. BJ sat
in a bowl of Lucky charms on St.

651
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:21,239
Patrick's Day. They filled up.
He and Bull filled up. He

652
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,079
did right too. Yeah, oh
yeah, oh gosh, no he didn't

653
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:30,159
eat. Yeah, he did high
highlighted my career. It's really I there

654
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:36,480
was nowhere to go but down after
But Baj, I mean I was always

655
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:43,760
so impressed because uh BJ came was
they were building a bench because of Weeze

656
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,760
and all this. They bring him
back and he was one of the most

657
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,920
popular personalities in Rochester on the radio. People loved him with on the WII

658
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,760
show. Was really probably one of
weez is better people on his show.

659
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,960
Uh then all of a sudden,
well it's all true. And then you

660
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,519
went out to Seattle kind and you
wound up doing a midday talk show,

661
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:05,679
and I think there was there was
some ship that went on there. If

662
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,280
I'm not mistaken, Well, you
know, Billy model employee. So you

663
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,800
know, I can't really take a
job without actually having management trying to see

664
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:21,920
it. Perhaps I would be better
outside of the building. Yeah, but

665
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,679
see, but here's the thing for
the last how many years have you been

666
00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:28,880
a is a ks w am?
I getting them right now away? Yeah,

667
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,320
I said two thousand and six.
Whatever the math is on that.

668
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:35,800
Yeah. And and number one.
I mean for a long time it was

669
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,360
you or Bob Rivers number one sometimes
in people, which is really the money

670
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:45,320
demographic and radio. So I'm in
a what is see how the thirteenth largest

671
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:49,280
market in radio? Yeah, we're
we're somewhere in that vicinity. I'll say

672
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,599
number I'll say we're the number one
market the hell of New York City?

673
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,280
All right, why not? You
got the crack? You got the cracking?

674
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,760
Now everybody's rooting for the cracking?
Oh yeah, well, because it's

675
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:06,239
because of our mask on. Everybody
just loves Booie. Actually, I don't

676
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,880
think anybody loves booy even what we
do around here, but the whole league

677
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,800
seems to hate the guy. The
dude from Spitting Chickless can't stand Booie's got

678
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,719
a big rivalry with him. So
I think that's kind of fun um.

679
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,800
But yeah, you know what,
Billy, Look, I I've been you

680
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,760
and I both know when you get
to work with somebody who's you know,

681
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,519
who's who's the quality of talent,
and Weeze is one of the best the

682
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,519
industries ever seen. You know,
just through osomosis, you get lucky enough

683
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:34,880
to learn a few things that maybe
you give him somehow be successful somewhere.

684
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,920
And for me that's just been the
case. Plus I got a lot of

685
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,519
great people around me. Now that's
why I've been able to, you know,

686
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,679
keep the job for since two thousand
and six. But prior to that,

687
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,599
Yeah, I was my own worst
enemy. And like you said,

688
00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:50,199
Billy, plenty of great stories.
There'll be a lot of great stories about

689
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,039
really how I how I baby made
radio interesting for other people, the other

690
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:59,039
poor bastors that had to work with
me. Well, yeah, you you

691
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,079
you, I think you. I
don't want to say you've changed. I'd

692
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:07,039
like to think people evolve. Would
that be fair to say? Yeah?

693
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:08,400
The best example I'll give you,
I don't. Did you guys ever know

694
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,199
Mark Marrin? Did you ever interact
with him before he got all mentally healthy,

695
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,559
like when he would come in town
and do interview. No, I

696
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:20,480
do know who he is, but
I didn't know. So Marcus got this

697
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:24,000
fantastic podcast and really, and the
reason being is is that he went and

698
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:29,039
started doing all this mental health work. He came on my show one time,

699
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:32,639
and he and I were both just
brothers and misery. Everybody who was

700
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:37,239
with him from the comedy club hated
him. Everybody who was working with me

701
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,360
hated me, but we both loved
each other complaining about why the world sucks

702
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,719
so bad. And that was before
he got his podcast. And then and

703
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,920
then Mark is the you know whatever. Ten fifteen years later, Mark is

704
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,360
going to be on our show.
And Mark the first thing he says when

705
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,079
it gets on the show, he
goes, oh, boy, buddy,

706
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:57,960
He said. I looked down the
list of all the shows that I was

707
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,480
gonna be on and I saw your
name, And he said, I wonder

708
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,079
has this guy figured it out?
Or is he still a mess like I

709
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,559
was? And that and we both
had a good laugh about how we really

710
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:10,840
had a lot of issues and luckily
he found his way. Luckily I think

711
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,800
I found my way, you know, to some degree, defend on who

712
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,400
you talking to, but yeah,
well, if evolving is good, I

713
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:22,599
just think I realized that, you
know what, if I can just be

714
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,559
like responsible for everything in my own
life, I'm going to have a better

715
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,079
life. Rather than keep thinking that
it's other people keeping me from whatever.

716
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,840
That's the key. Nothing happens to
you. Everything is brought You've brought it

717
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,320
on yourself in some way. Literally
literally everything Bill, Yeah, Bill,

718
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,400
that's it right there, But it
is literally everything is that. But what

719
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,880
I was going to say, BJ
is I remember seeing you and you would

720
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,719
be uh you. You were a
big fan of Lias Tom likeas and you

721
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,800
had that that kind of style too, and you would go at things pretty

722
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,679
hard. One of the things that
I absolutely think that you I want to

723
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:05,159
say, and I know you're going
to be very humble about this, but

724
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,440
it was the BJ Shay experience.
Correct. Wasn't that the name of the

725
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,920
show. Yeah? And that was
the name of the show. Yes.

726
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:15,199
And then you had a great producer
and Steve miss Oh yeah. And then

727
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:21,719
one day you said you're doing as
much work as me or you're doing whatever,

728
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,519
and you now call the show BJ
and Miggs. And there's not many

729
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:28,920
guys that would do that because radio. I mean, come on, man,

730
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,400
we all have to We've got to
be honest. You sit behind a

731
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,159
microphone, you gotta have a fucking
ego, right, You stand on the

732
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:37,159
stage and think you can make a
bunch of strangers laugh, you're a little

733
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:40,800
fucked up. But to be able
to say yeah, but to step back

734
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,519
and see the value in somebody else, that change that made me think,

735
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:50,079
the world are you? When I
saw that, truly, well, thank

736
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:52,960
you, thank you, Billy,
you know, and I will take I

737
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,719
will take that. I know that
a lot of people have been very surprised

738
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,480
by that. And here's the thing. I was a number two guy,

739
00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:01,559
number three guy, number four guy
so much in my career, so I

740
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:04,400
knew what it was like to be
a sidekick. I knew what it was

741
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,119
like to not get bonuses. I
knew it was like to see everybody celebrate

742
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:09,000
with the champagne glasses and then like, you know, I'm still making minimum

743
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,280
wage even though I'm on a number
one show. So I always thought if

744
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,960
I ever got into driver's seat in
a position to really reward somebody the best

745
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,039
way that I could. And Steve
makes our whole show. He does everything

746
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:25,360
I really am. Honestly, I
think if they took a look at like

747
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,440
the amount of output of work that's
done by me compared to Steve, I

748
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,599
think they would be like, what
are you doing here? Why? Boy?

749
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,039
So if to me Billy. He's
so deserved it. And by the

750
00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:38,840
way, he never asked for that. Yeah, and I just wanted to

751
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,920
change He just wanted to change his
name to make because he hated being called

752
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,800
see the producer, because he got
no respect from a lot of people.

753
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:47,440
They never realized what he did.
And I said, dude, if you

754
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,400
want respect, the only way to
get respect is your name is going to

755
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,400
be on the show. You know
what I mean? People understand no matter

756
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,360
how much you tell them, how
much you do, they go, oh,

757
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,440
yeah, you're just a producer.
But your name is on the marquee.

758
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:00,199
So I said, we'll put your
name on the marquis. That's what

759
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,519
you want is respect? The only
way to get us to do that.

760
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:06,760
And I remember the program it was
really we have a great program director.

761
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:07,639
But I remember I told him I
wanted to do that and he goes,

762
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:12,039
what what do you what? And
that was like he did. That was

763
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:15,960
like the first maybe five minutes of
the conversation. He hangs up the phone.

764
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,159
Next thing you know, he closed
a back A half hour later.

765
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:20,800
He's got T shirt designs, he's
got all these ideas. He's like,

766
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:22,719
ide ever, let's just go ahead
and do it, and you know,

767
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:28,480
in credit to the PD for understanding
how great it was to be able to

768
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:31,639
recognize and a lot of our listeners
love Steve, so to them, they

769
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:37,159
were like, it's about time.
And it really was like a lot of

770
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:40,800
people had the kind of response you
did, Bill, and well deserved.

771
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:45,000
Steve is one of the best talents
in the business, and I'm happy that

772
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,440
he now gets the proper respect that
he's due. But BJ, what was

773
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,239
the change with you? A little
bit? Because it used to be like

774
00:53:52,280 --> 00:54:02,800
I remember, it wasn't really therapy
because you used to go listen, man,

775
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,039
here's what I love about Beach now
right, And I knew Beach more

776
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:12,119
in a I think I got to
know BJ better when he was in Seattle

777
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:15,440
than I did when he was even
here. But BJ had does your daughter

778
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,440
still work? I know your daughter
just got married. Congratulations, I saw

779
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,679
that. Thank you. I do
follow you on social media? And then

780
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:25,840
your son? Does she and your
son work on the show? They both

781
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,400
do. Joey's more behind the scenes. But any time that he's given the

782
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,679
opportunity to talk about what a what
a horrible parent, I was loved to

783
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:36,679
come on the microphone, right,
So, and yeah, so they're both

784
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:37,960
on. Yeah, but I think
that's pretty cool. But I go back,

785
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:43,199
man, I remember seeing BJ fucking
raising hell at Morning Show boot camp.

786
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,639
Yeah, they remember they had a
women's panel and what were you?

787
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,239
Yeah, what was the whole thing? Do you remember what was that about?

788
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:55,360
Well, you know, there was
many there were many women's panels,

789
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,119
and many panels were I lost.
I lost my mind, Billy, So

790
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,159
you'll have to be a little bit
more. I just remember one word,

791
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,119
like I think they came out.
I think I heard a broad beaches at

792
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:14,559
it again. Yeah, they're talking
about how it's the struggle being a woman

793
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:16,440
in broadcasting. And you got up
there and said, have you ever hung

794
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:20,920
up yet? Have you ever hung
up upside down in the soccer net with

795
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,800
your balls hanging out and getting kicked
by a soccer ball in the nuts?

796
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:25,840
No, don't tell me how it's
so hard to be a woman in broadcasting

797
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,239
or something like that. I don't
remember. Yeah, it was. I

798
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,880
was having been basically humiliated in so
many different ways, you know, as

799
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,760
a as a producer or the stunt
guy or whatever, as the way we

800
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,599
work up. I mean, that's
just not something they did to women a

801
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:43,480
lot back. Then because they you
just didn't do it, and so I

802
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:45,320
had a big chip on my shoulder
hearing about, Oh, you don't know

803
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,559
how tough it is, and actually, you know, upon further review,

804
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,480
it is really tough to be a
non white person trying to be anything in

805
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:55,559
the world. But at the time, I was too busy in my own

806
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:58,719
world thinking, oh, you know
what, my life is tough. I

807
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,760
don't care about anybody else, so
that you know, so uh so,

808
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,719
yeah, I was on a rant
about that um at that point. And

809
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,599
again that was pre therapy, where
I was pretty much very narcissistic and the

810
00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:14,639
world was all about me. Pain
was all about me. Everybody was out

811
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:16,920
to get me. So you wouldn't
have been able to reason with me in

812
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,480
that state of mind, ever,
which is why Weez would always just go

813
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:24,599
Jesus, I mean he would always
go, Pj's on the rag again,

814
00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:30,320
right, that shouldn't even do it. He wasn't wrong, he was not

815
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,719
wrong at all. But now it's
funny because now with your your daughter in

816
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,280
the business, and you're right it
is. I think it's an evolved thinking

817
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:43,639
and I don't like in our world
today is that we'll go back to that

818
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:45,639
time, and if you put out
a tweet, we'll you know, pull

819
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:50,599
it up and rub it in your
face. And what why would we do

820
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:53,280
that if all we want is the
end result of who you are today?

821
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:57,719
Right? Do you see what I'm
saying? Yeah, you know, Billy,

822
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,239
here's the thing. What I found
is that. And I'll just speak

823
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:06,199
for myself. I am a sis
gendered, heterosexual, Caucasian old dude,

824
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:10,480
and the world does not have a
shortage of opinions from that demographic. So

825
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,400
people just don't want to hear from
us anymore. And it's because that's all

826
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,320
they've ever heard. And it's so
even if even if I have the cure

827
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,280
for cancer, it's like they're not
going to want to hear it from me

828
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,760
because they're just so jaded. And
I can't really blame them because I have

829
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,239
been to so many panels myself when
I was a young dude, so many

830
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,320
old white guys just telling me how
to do a business, when it's like,

831
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:37,519
you are so clueless, No,
you don't even know what you're talking.

832
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:39,760
They won't even listen, they don't
even know how just clueless they are.

833
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:45,239
So I can understand now that I
look like those people am I it's

834
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:49,119
hard to you know, it's really
hard to hear anything that I have to

835
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,239
say. So now what I do
is I go find somebody. I go

836
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,119
find somebody who looks like a person
that other people listen to. I whispering

837
00:57:57,159 --> 00:57:59,440
there and go, hey, try
to say in this this might work,

838
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:04,199
and then go out to say it
and then let me do you. Yeah,

839
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,840
But what I'm saying bj is,
in the world we live in today,

840
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,880
someone could go back in time right
and find a tweet you may have

841
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,920
put out that may be considered as
misogynistic or something. And what I'm saying

842
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:20,880
is, even though we've evolved and
changed, and that's the end result of

843
00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:23,440
what most people want. It just
to show you the error of your ways

844
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:28,280
and how maybe you should evolve now
that you have. But we go back

845
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,119
and dig it up and rub your
nose in it and try to push you

846
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:32,880
out and go, oh, this
guy should what are we doing here?

847
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,639
Why? Well, yes, weaponize, Yeah, you know, Billy,

848
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:39,079
that is and that is like the
first rule of therapy. And look,

849
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:42,840
if you asked, I have been. I've been in therapy for tons of

850
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,199
years. I'm heavily in therapy because
I'm just my mind is the same.

851
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,320
And if I don't reg if I
don't figure out what's going on, I'm

852
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,800
miserable to be around and I'm miserable
to be me. So the first rule

853
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,199
of therapy is is that, yeah, people are going to do that.

854
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,639
People are always going to see you
how they see you. So if their

855
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:04,960
experience with you is that you are
a bad guy, they're not going to

856
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:06,760
be able to get out of the
way. It would really be great if

857
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,280
people could go, oh, wait, you realized that wasn't cool back then,

858
00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:13,239
and you've changed the next nighte.
But humans don't do that, and

859
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,280
especially today, forget it. I
mean, people cannot even see other points

860
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:21,559
of view no matter what. And
the trouble is is that all I know

861
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:24,079
is if I don't continue to still
be an example of the dude that I

862
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:28,679
want to be, and I go
out and maybe you know, get mad

863
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,599
or whatever, then I just give
them more ammunition to say that I'm going

864
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:34,159
to do that. They see me
as here's what I found, Billy,

865
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:36,840
which is really cool. So say
that tweet is out there, I mean,

866
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:37,679
O, yeah, you know what, dude. I mean, here's

867
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:39,880
the great thing I get to say. I go, dude, that was

868
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:45,880
pree therapy. And it's like,
and I say, look, there's no

869
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,239
excuse for that. That's why I
had to go get help. Now,

870
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,840
if they want to demonize me and
villainize me and whatever, it's like,

871
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:52,000
I just go, all right,
well, I get it, I get

872
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:57,079
you really upset it. I'm not
going to try to defend that because that

873
00:59:57,159 --> 01:00:00,679
was horrible and that's why I went
to therapy. That's all I can say.

874
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:01,639
And then if they still want to, you know, cancel me,

875
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:05,679
do whatever. All right, But
at some point there are going to be

876
01:00:05,679 --> 01:00:08,280
people going, you know what,
the only guy is talking bad into conversation

877
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:14,039
is that guy? Yes, and
and so. But it takes a lot

878
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:17,119
of patience, Billy, because you
and I are in an industry where everything

879
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:22,079
we do is just under a Microsoft. Well although it, hang on,

880
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,480
it could be misjudged. Hang on, I'm in the independent lane these days.

881
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,199
You're still you know, you're still
on the air, and you're still

882
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:31,119
have corporate powers and things like that, which is I'm not saying it's bad

883
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:35,679
at all. I'm just saying it's
different. Now I've got to go out

884
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:38,880
and do a whole lot more work
to make it all work. But it's

885
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,400
something that at the end of the
day, you own it, and it's

886
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,039
a it's a different it's a different
game, and yet it's kind of the

887
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:49,079
same. And uh, are you
reving that? Is that? Are you

888
01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:52,039
loving that? Is that cool?
I am? I really am. I'm

889
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:53,079
so happy. Yeah, I know, happy for you. You're you're You're

890
01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:55,440
a great dude, man, and
I am so happy you have found a

891
01:00:55,559 --> 01:01:00,039
lane that you're happy to driving.
It is and it's been a lot of

892
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:01,199
fun. And I've been able to
hear from a lot of people but that

893
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:06,519
it's funny because I always thought would
b J. I never got the misery

894
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:08,800
from you, Like I never saw
you as a miserable person. I know

895
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,960
that happened, Mark, feel like
I never did either. No, No,

896
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:16,119
I don't want to say it was
always the up Yeah, what's up?

897
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:22,960
Guys? You don't want to be
kiss utat up beat company is a

898
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:27,000
word you might have used for somebody
else. I can't even believe I'm talking

899
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,199
to you people that's now. Yeah. Yeah, But I just think like

900
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,159
you were. To Mark's point,
you were always upbeat and I thought you

901
01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:36,880
were very smart. One of my
favorite moments, though it used to have

902
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,840
these staff meetings, right, and
there was some kind of contest to give

903
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:44,079
away or something, and there was
some kind of there was a song I

904
01:01:44,119 --> 01:01:46,079
don't even remember what it was put
together the clock for the and like,

905
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:52,440
you know story, you told me
this the gospel according to Billy through Danny.

906
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:54,519
So there's a story where like you
guys are sitting there and over here

907
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:58,920
and they talked about how to build
a song, build songs into the clock.

908
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,360
And then you said, what if
we run out of time the hour,

909
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,440
We'll then just drop the song.
And you're like, well, wait

910
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,840
a minute, we got this huge
build up. We're just gonna drop the

911
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,519
song if there's no time. That
was what it was. That was DJ

912
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,199
was always like and then I think
I think it was old Man Morgan at

913
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:16,760
the time, and he freaking flipped
out. He's like yelled or whatever.

914
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,960
I would God, it was great, Yeah, And I remember thinking,

915
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:22,840
I really but I used to love
it because Beach would just go and go.

916
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:25,360
It was awesome because then I knew
I could check out of the meeting.

917
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:34,760
Everybody wanted the meeting over that everybody
really uh when I know, And

918
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,800
that was always the problem. People
used to get so mad at me,

919
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:37,360
and they'd be like, look,
dude, if you would shut up,

920
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:43,119
the streeting would have been over about
three hours. So here here's what happened

921
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:46,440
in Seattle, and I love this
about a good program director. The same

922
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:51,280
thing happened when I first got the
job and worked at kis W. They

923
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,559
let me come to one meeting.
The PD saw what I was at meetings

924
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:59,480
and immediately said, you will never
have to go to another meeting again.

925
01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:01,360
It was just like, this is
not your place. He's like, you

926
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,400
don't like to see things being built, You don't like to see ideas when

927
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,559
people don't exactly know what they're talking
about. He goes, you hate that.

928
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:08,800
You'd like come to me when you're
done. Don't come to me when

929
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,760
you had half an idea. So
Billy, this went on for like three

930
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,840
years. He wouldn't let me go
to any meetings, and all of a

931
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,400
sudden, the boss comes to me
and says, look, I need you

932
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,719
to be at this meeting. And
I go, wait, meet, you

933
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,519
need me to be the meeting.
I don't quote the meetings to go.

934
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:22,440
Now you got to go to this
one. And I go and I listen.

935
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:24,639
I'm I pleaded with him because I've
already been in therapy, I said,

936
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,400
dude, I really am in therapy. Now I'm trying to be a

937
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,840
good guy. You know how,
I'm at meetings. He goes, Oh,

938
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,480
no, I want you at this
meeting. So we're at this meeting

939
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:37,480
and it's about social networking. And
at the time, nobody in our company

940
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:39,360
was doing social networking. I was
doing my own. So I had this

941
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:44,599
expert who wanted me. I guess
this expert wanted me at the meeting telling

942
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:47,320
me what I needed to do with
my own Twitter, my own Twitter stuff

943
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,480
and my own Facebook stuff. This
is my stuff, it's not even the

944
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,639
company stuff. And they're telling me
what to do. And I'm looking at

945
01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:59,199
my PD and this look on his
face of glee comes on toc that I

946
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,920
don't take it. He's waiting and
and oh dude, it was a beating

947
01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:09,079
because I just told this this person
was like the corporate person in charge of

948
01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:12,639
whatever the hell I went out in
my mind, and it was not good.

949
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:14,920
I would I pulled my PD aside
and I go, dude, I

950
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,599
feel horrible. She was like almost
in tears. This person. I go,

951
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:18,800
why did you do that? He
said? He said, because I

952
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,280
told him you shouldn't be at meetings, and she insisted that you'd be at

953
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,920
that meeting. She wouldn't take she
wouldn't listen to me, and I had

954
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,760
this, I had to teach her
a lesson and wow, I go,

955
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:31,119
dude, I just got weaponized.
I don't know how I feel about it.

956
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,119
But you know what, that's a
great boss, because I always say,

957
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:40,079
and I've said on this podcast,
a boss's job number one job is

958
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:44,840
to recognize what motivates BJ, what
makes BJ tick, what's gonna get the

959
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,239
best out of beach? And it
wasn't going to meetings. It would frustrate

960
01:04:47,239 --> 01:04:51,079
you. You would st and ruminate
on whatever was discussed and how pissed off

961
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:55,400
you were that, how dumb they
were and they didn't even figre have that

962
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,639
that and then you would, you
know, it would come out the next

963
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:00,920
day on the air or whatever,
and it just becomes a big headache.

964
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:03,199
That's a you're right, that's a
really smart PD. Is that something you

965
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:08,280
learned from? Uh? Dude,
you know what, let me tell you

966
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,639
something about Weeze And I mean,
he'll probably hate me for this. I

967
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:16,199
Wee's bark when it came to management
was a lot bigger than his fight.

968
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,159
Yeah, I know, and I
yeah. And that was the thing about

969
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:23,679
Weez is that you know, he
would tell us stuff. But I think

970
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:26,719
he was a lot. He was
a better employee than I was, and

971
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:31,559
so he really was um I remember. And you know, here's the thing,

972
01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:35,280
like, like all the success that
I've had in Seattle almost didn't happen

973
01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:40,159
because the company hated me, and
frankly I hated them. And then our

974
01:05:40,199 --> 01:05:43,519
boss, the boss, I just
told him. He got there and Howard

975
01:05:43,559 --> 01:05:45,079
Stern was leaving and they said,
we don't know what to do. And

976
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:48,599
I'm doing mid days and you know
we're having success on mid days. And

977
01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:51,280
so the new boss said, oh, I have a perfect idea. We

978
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,760
should we should put bj on in
the morning. And they were like,

979
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,519
what are you talking about. He's
the guy that screams and yells and he

980
01:05:57,639 --> 01:06:00,760
hates everybody and he frees. He's
so mad at every bud. And he

981
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,519
said, well, that's because you
put him on a loser station. You

982
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:05,000
put him on a flanker. He
said, how you can't ever put a

983
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:08,840
winner on a flanker and they said, he's not a winner, and they

984
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,440
said, this is why you don't
have a winning stations. I couldn't believe

985
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,920
how blunt he was with them.
He said, you hired me because you

986
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,840
don't have winning stations, because you
don't have good management. That's why you

987
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:23,199
don't recognize you have a great talent
in this building. He doesn't. He's

988
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,679
they don't. They don't scream and
yell because they're crazy. It's because they

989
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,679
want to win, and you just
don't know that because you're management's horror.

990
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:32,679
And they were like, yeah,
they were, they it was. And

991
01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:35,800
they said to him, they said, this will be the biggest mistake of

992
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:40,519
your career if you do this.
And now he's the vice president of all

993
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:42,920
programming in the company, because they
were like, I guess you knew what

994
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,800
you were talking about. H Richard. It's his last name, Richard,

995
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:54,559
Dave Ardea Davis. I mean,
look, all I'm gonna say is my

996
01:06:54,599 --> 01:06:58,480
experience with Dave the best I've ever
worked with. And he I mean,

997
01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:00,639
oh my god, I have never
seen an anybody is brilliant and who who

998
01:07:00,639 --> 01:07:05,280
at least with me, got me
advocated for me, and and and he

999
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,880
put it out there. He just
put it out there and said because he

1000
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,039
knew, he knew, he was
right. He wasn't the kind of guy

1001
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:13,039
that just would, you know,
be an idiot just for sake of be

1002
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,920
an idiot, maybe like me,
but he actually knew he was right and

1003
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,880
and and he went out there and
fortunately advocated. And I wouldn't be here

1004
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:23,079
if not for him. So that's
yeah. Good pds are amazing, man.

1005
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:28,480
Good management's amazing. Good management.
Mark, Mark, what's up,

1006
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,000
buddy. I didn't realize you were
there, Mark, what's going on?

1007
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,800
I'm doing well. My memory of
you, Mark, as you were like

1008
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,199
one of the coolest, one of
the nicest dudes I'd ever worked with.

1009
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,880
So I'm glad that your memory of
me is not one of being a dick,

1010
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,960
because you were such Oh you're BG. You were always good to me,

1011
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,320
Man. I hung out with you
guys a lot on that show too.

1012
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,559
When when yeah, yeah, you
were you're good dude. We it

1013
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:51,679
was it was such fun doing radio
in those days. It was like I

1014
01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:57,480
mean, I mean, I mean
CMF and weez his success at that time

1015
01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:00,880
in that town where I mean,
it was just I was so so I

1016
01:08:01,159 --> 01:08:04,119
didn't know at the time because I
was miserable being me, but I didn't

1017
01:08:04,119 --> 01:08:10,239
realize just how fortunate I was to
work in that that that incredible, just

1018
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,559
like Juggernaut that was CMF with you
know, with Janet Mary and Uncle Roger

1019
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:18,720
and Crohn's and I mean and and
Kano all the great talent that was that

1020
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,560
was there at the time. And
man, what a special time, so

1021
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,640
much fun. Yeah, it was. It'll never be like that ever again.

1022
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,640
I mean no, it's not,
no, never slowly, but surely

1023
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,199
you know what I'll tell you.
I'll tell you ability We have that in

1024
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:34,199
Seattle. We have a great crew
and it feels very much like the old

1025
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:38,439
cm in these days. I don't
know, I don't know how they can

1026
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,159
do that, but it is that
way at the station where I'm at,

1027
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:44,640
you know, just like CMF.
You know, kis somebody used a rock

1028
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,640
station forever to celebrate our fiftieth not
to want to go and music and Seattle,

1029
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:50,359
I mean, the town's a great
music town, which is why we're

1030
01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:55,159
able to flourish. They love rock
music here. They they've never abandoned it

1031
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:59,119
even you know, and they continue
with guys like Aaron Jones, they continue

1032
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:01,279
to put out greater diginal rock music
here. Wow, what do you say,

1033
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:04,079
BJ, I'm reading you at boot
Camp two thousand and nine, and

1034
01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:06,439
one of the best lessons, one
of the best lessons I ever got,

1035
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:11,000
was you saying you're always on interview. And it's still true. It's even

1036
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:14,039
more so true now today with everybody
with a smartphone in their pocket. You

1037
01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:17,760
know, you are always on interview. It's it's so true. I say.

1038
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,239
That's why when people in our business
get up on panels and managers and

1039
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:24,960
they're the most boring things in the
world telling us how to be entertaining,

1040
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,159
I sit there and I go,
I go, do you realize how stupid

1041
01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:30,720
you look right now? It's just
it's it's like, look, even when

1042
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,199
I'm talking to you guys, I
want to try to be entertaining, you

1043
01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:35,000
know. I mean, I know
you have an audience or whatever. I

1044
01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:39,000
mean, that's that's what I do. I'm an entertainer. So I don't

1045
01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:42,199
understand how people don't get that.
As soon as that microphone is on,

1046
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,520
it's like, dude, bring it, don't be an idiot, bring it

1047
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,560
the best. You can have fun
and be authentic ass and you can,

1048
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,760
but but bring it. And so
many people just go, I won't do

1049
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,439
that, Like all right, well, and why am I listening to you.

1050
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,399
Why are you here? I paid
money to see you. I traveled

1051
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,039
across the country so you could sit. They're in four of the crap out

1052
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:04,159
of me. Okay, great,
do you still go to boot camp?

1053
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:09,359
Yeah? Just went last year.
I love it. There's so many great

1054
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:13,800
young people that want to be in
radio that I am shocked and pleasantly surprised.

1055
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:15,560
And also it's not a sausage show. I think used to be.

1056
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:20,479
The amount of young women that love
this industry and just like they remind me

1057
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,199
and Billy maybe you remember when like
we were in our twenties where we were

1058
01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:27,479
like, this is all we want
to do. I don't care what I

1059
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,439
have to give up, you know, And to see that in the eyes

1060
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,640
of young people when they try to
tell us that the business is dead,

1061
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,680
which sure the business has definitely like
got to figure it out. But at

1062
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:41,600
the same time, these young people
are like, we want this, we

1063
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,479
want to be here, and I
am like, this is fantastic, And

1064
01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:48,359
you know, it's just time for
the old people to step aside and let

1065
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:53,159
them in, let them be there, because old people don't like to do

1066
01:10:53,319 --> 01:10:55,640
that. Is like I said,
people look like me, oh no,

1067
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,560
we're gonna be We're gonna be relevant
forever. And it's like, hey,

1068
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,640
grandpa, seriously, what are you
talking about. You're not gotta be emlevant

1069
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,600
forever. Look at the mirror.
Nobody's gonna listen to you. Just sit

1070
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:09,960
there and smile and you know,
and don't. I always think beads that.

1071
01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:13,720
I think you're going to see things
go from these big corporations back down

1072
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,880
to smaller entities. Not just in
radio, I think anywhere. I really

1073
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,359
do. And I think when you
do that, you'll bring back the personality

1074
01:11:20,399 --> 01:11:24,920
and win because spoken word, like
what you do in the morning, what

1075
01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:29,840
we're doing here is what's happening.
It's it's what's winning because you can play,

1076
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:31,439
you can get your music from anywhere, but you can't get your personality

1077
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,920
from anywhere. You can't and if
you love BJ yeah, and I mean

1078
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,319
I think that's gonna be that's the
one difference. And you can't put artificial

1079
01:11:39,359 --> 01:11:42,159
intelligence with that, and you can't
do any of that stuff. So I

1080
01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:45,560
think that that's really the winning edge. And for radio to survive, I

1081
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,960
think on a mass scale the way
they are now, some of these companies,

1082
01:11:49,079 --> 01:11:55,000
I heearten others it's too big and
so to run it efficiently and leanly

1083
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:59,439
and be able to also dance to
the to the shareholders and things. You've

1084
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,239
got to make decisions of cutting people, which then cuts exactly what is building

1085
01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:05,920
the company. And I think what's
gonna happen is you're going to see people

1086
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:10,039
break these companies up. Smaller stations
are going to come about, and you're

1087
01:12:10,039 --> 01:12:12,880
gonna go back to almost the mom
and pops and you'll have more situations like

1088
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,920
you're in now, which I think
is great. Well, I'll tell you

1089
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:18,359
this, billy. You know,
not Wall Street is not good for all

1090
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:24,439
long, you know, and it
really isn't the Wall Street mentality to me,

1091
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,800
you know, you know, I
mean shareholder stockholders. I mean they're

1092
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,920
all asholders if you ask me,
because it is they cannot see the damage

1093
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:35,279
that they are doing just human beings
in general. And at some point,

1094
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:39,720
you know, this is why young
people are going, hey, I would

1095
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,640
like to try a differentism, and
a lot of the older folks are going,

1096
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,239
oh my god, these people are
so anti American. It's like,

1097
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,720
dude, do you just take a
look. I mean I was just at

1098
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,399
a diner and they had a little
thing that told you how like back in

1099
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,880
nineteen forty two, forty eight,
when the diner opened, they said,

1100
01:12:54,039 --> 01:12:56,640
here's how much it cost to buy
a house. It's like seven thousand dollars.

1101
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,119
And then here's how much the average
person made with like twenty five five

1102
01:13:00,199 --> 01:13:02,439
hundred dollars. And I'm like,
holy crap. I mean, you take

1103
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:06,359
a look at those numbers today and
there's no way you could buy a house

1104
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:11,840
for just a little over double your
salary. Right. And so when anybody

1105
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,199
wants to say, oh, hey, well you're hate capitalism, I go,

1106
01:13:14,399 --> 01:13:16,279
how is this the success You just
you know, you just ask anybody,

1107
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,439
how is it that nineteen forty eight
average person could do this? And

1108
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:25,960
here it is in twenty twenty three, a person who's highly educated with a

1109
01:13:26,119 --> 01:13:30,079
ridiculous amount of college debt can't even
get this deal on a home. How

1110
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:34,319
is that a success story? That
to me is an abortion of business.

1111
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,680
And I think has to do everything
with Wall Street and the shareholders. And

1112
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,720
you know what, at some point, you know, the inmates, you're

1113
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,239
going to go f this, We
are going to take over the asylum.

1114
01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:46,880
I think you're starting to see it, and I think you're starting to see

1115
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:51,159
it with things as people go these
independent ways, and somebody's created a drinking

1116
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:56,000
game because I see use some phrases
too much and they've added this one.

1117
01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:00,159
I always say, the barrier to
entry is gone, right. Anybody can

1118
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:02,039
do this right. You don't.
You don't need a radio station anymore.

1119
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:04,640
You've got you can buy the microp, you can buy the equipment. It's

1120
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:08,760
a lot cheaper than you think.
You can find the space. And if

1121
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,199
you do it right, you can
win. You can. I mean you

1122
01:14:12,319 --> 01:14:15,880
got to love it, yeah,
but you can win. And I think

1123
01:14:15,119 --> 01:14:19,000
that when you you know to what
you're saying as you're going to see changes

1124
01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:24,520
because people have had enough and they
don't need the big corporations anymore. They

1125
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,399
don't need Wall Street to be able
to get their message out. You know

1126
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,760
you're looking at I mean guys who
are sure there are podcasters who make millions

1127
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,800
of dollars, but they didn't start
out that way. Yeah, you know,

1128
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:39,520
Billy, And look all all it
takes for a person to do anything

1129
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,800
that they want to do in life
that they go, Okay, I mean,

1130
01:14:42,119 --> 01:14:45,000
what do I need to live?
And the average the average American is

1131
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:47,720
very reasonable when it comes to like
what they need to live? They don't

1132
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,600
want a skillion dollars. The average
American is like, you know, hey,

1133
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:55,560
whatever, And that means if you, like you said, you're the

1134
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,640
freedom to do what you want as
long as you're reasonable with how you want

1135
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,199
to live in right. And dude, I so happy that you're doing this

1136
01:15:00,359 --> 01:15:02,439
because you know what, You've been
a great dude in your whole life,

1137
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:06,720
and you know it's just to me, I'm sad you're not in our business.

1138
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,680
I find I keep saying that's a
lot about people that are no longer

1139
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,000
in our business. It saddens me
that you know they're not in our business

1140
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,640
anymore for whatever reason. But I'm
happy that you're still doing it because man,

1141
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,479
I think you should be. Yeah, and and and to me,

1142
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,119
it was like there was nothing else
to do, and I thought, let's

1143
01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:27,119
see, and so far, so
good, you know, and and getting

1144
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:29,760
better, which is really yeah,
that really is. It's very good.

1145
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,439
I'm so glad you agreed to come
on. I'd love to I'm gonna get

1146
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:35,119
your number from Kevin and then UH
get you when I do the other one,

1147
01:15:35,119 --> 01:15:38,920
because I'd love to get some great
stories from you. And I hope

1148
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:44,119
I gave Kevin the burner phone number, because I really I'll find you.

1149
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,479
I know, I got people in
Covin. I'll find you, don't.

1150
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,439
I don't know if I need that, but yeah, bully, thank you

1151
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,960
so much. Mark, and I
didn't. Who's the other dude that I

1152
01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:56,319
love, Dan Barillo. We used
to call him Christian Day. Yeah.

1153
01:15:56,399 --> 01:16:00,520
Oh hey, yeah, hey Dann
Hey buddy. Yeah, so guy,

1154
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,680
thank you so much for having me
on. I want a great trip back

1155
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,119
down in memory lane. And you
know, while I can still remember,

1156
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:11,800
that's the thing, you know,
I might then campbell out at any moment

1157
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:16,279
in my life. I'm afraid of
the same thing from time to time.

1158
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,319
Beach, thank you, Say hi
to Miggs. All right, taking easy,

1159
01:16:20,359 --> 01:16:24,560
buddy, see you later. There
he goes. That was a great

1160
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:31,439
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1161
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,840
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1164
01:16:44,319 --> 01:16:46,399
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1165
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1172
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1178
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1179
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:44,840
Maybe you got a DWI or possibly
accused of a crime you didn't knowingly commit.

1180
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,000
I was just with Steve Sircu from
Circu and Circue. I gotta tell

1181
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:54,359
you, this is the lawyer you
want. You want in the courtroom representing

1182
01:17:54,399 --> 01:17:58,680
you. You want people to know
that that is your lawyer. He brings

1183
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,439
energy. That guy is just I
find him fascinating. And I know that

1184
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:08,159
maybe sounds like an overstatement. All
come on, No, he really is.

1185
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:13,199
Steve Syircue is a fascinating guy.
He's very curious, he's extremely smart,

1186
01:18:13,319 --> 01:18:16,399
he is so driven and just brings
so much energy. He's the kind

1187
01:18:16,399 --> 01:18:18,760
of guy you want to be around. He's the kind of guy that if

1188
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:23,000
you find yourself in a sticky situation, you want to call at five eight

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1190
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with a crime and you need a
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1191
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can't recommend Steve Syircue enough. And
he's litigated cases of virtually every scenario if

1192
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:39,239
it's happened, He's seen it,
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1193
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felony offenses. Circue Law is located
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1194
01:18:43,359 --> 01:18:45,039
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1195
01:18:45,119 --> 01:18:48,479
he can reach them at five eight
five three eight five twenty five ten or

1196
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:54,439
email through their secure contact page at
circue law dot com. Victor Chrysler Dodge

1197
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:59,479
Jeep Ram Route ninety six in Victor, Well, thanks for taking a little

1198
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:04,560
trip. I'm Memory Lane with BJ
and the Ball Tomorrow Berkeley Breen for a

1199
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:11,640
one on one while I play nurse
to my mom. Surgery went well,

1200
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,439
and I've been doing stuff I never
thought i'd do. Oh, he's all

1201
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:23,199
I can say some things that I
never thought i'd be. That's all right.

1202
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:30,079
Well, seeing tomorrow i'd be flying
there. We're looking for a kind

1203
01:19:30,119 --> 01:19:40,039
of like with Tina seed leaves side
California, baby things and gotten worse.

1204
01:19:40,399 --> 01:19:44,359
The land of Opportunity for me is
just a curse to kill the judge bakers

1205
01:19:44,399 --> 01:19:50,840
Field. Have the Wag got me
a looking ba cad with Tina Seedley sitting

1206
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:56,520
somewhere in the battlem hold outside she
was shimmering in the dark wo