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Last episode of the season. On
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in turn is also a chapter number
thousand and like one, does not arrive

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every day at this figure even having
a daily podcast. Well, man,

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I say we celebrate it the way
it deserves. Te. We welcome you

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to the other side of the microphone. On the other side of the microphone,

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a project by Jorge Marín grandchild in
which you will find your daily serving

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of metapodcasting, casting with news,
events, tools or episodes of opinion,

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not in just ten minutes, ten
minutes, ten minutes, good morning,

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good afternoon or good night, depending
on the time you gave the play to

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this chapter. My name is Jorge
Marín and almost five years ago I started

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recording this daily metapodcast as a distraction
to quit smoking what started as a challenge

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to quit nicotine. It gave way
to a demanding project that I was doing

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for the love of art, which
gradually began to receive support and comments that

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gradually monetized thanks to the virtual caffeine
of the Coffi platform, which gradually helped

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me to make known my facet as
a professional of the podcasting industry and which

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in part served me to make a
big leap to abandon my work and launch

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my own podcast producer. On the
other hand, after many years listening to

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podcast, I have learned a lot
of data and knowledge from different areas.

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I' ve been entertaining myself for
years and years and years. I have

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met hundreds of people throughout Spain and
also from other countries. Laughed, cried,

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hugged with many of these people.
I have traveled many, but many

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capitals of our country to attend podcast
events to, some of which I have

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also had the privilege of organizing.
My name is Jorge Marín and today,

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in front of the feelings of EVE
producer and more specifically, on the other

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side of the microphone, I have
as guest a person to whom I owe

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a lot of things. My current
work, a multitude of friendships and,

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as many of you will also know, given how important podcasting is to me,

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I have the culprit of all this
that I am telling you about,

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and it is that almost twenty years
ago it is only a few months before

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I make such a redemptive figure.
Right where I am today, well about

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a few meters away. A very
young José Antonio or Gelado, recorded the

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first podcast published in Spain and gave
rise to what gradually began to be built

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as an industry. Now we can
say yes, that it is an industry,

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but logically, twenty years ago not
what started as a hobby for many

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people, as a medium of diffusion
for freelance companies and, ultimately, for

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anyone who wants to launch to create
their own podcast. Something that many of

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us have learned from him, or
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be as free as you want,
as your own creator wants, or as

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monetizable as each person or entity or
company may not have to close to anything,

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as it can evolve with every change
or move of the industry or platforms,

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or keep your project as the first
day. This is something we can

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all do. I want to start
this episode by thanking you because, as

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I said or better said as I
said and I already welcome you, twenty

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years ago you started a podcast,
but also a way to podcast that many,

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that many we have sucked and that
to me personally, caught me so

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much that ended up changing my life. It is a pleasure to welcome you

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and let you pass the other side
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one thousand to José Antonio Engelado,
the pot Father or the father of podcasting

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in Spain. Welcome, then,
thank you so much for inviting me,

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but I think it would be on
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am not to this, if today
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physically, physically eye and I was
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in Candelera. I' ve come
to take a little disappointment. This is

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the first thing I wanted to tell
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you gave me the address it would
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no, no, we' re
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it' s been like me,
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in your village, in Candelera,
because we' re going. No,

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no, no, I like it, I like low profile. That'

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s why I' m on the
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of the microphone, because I like
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that it' s because of tacks. I call it for tachito studios,

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because the first house, when I
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light light to see how the topic
was and such was the street portachito and

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I don' t know it was
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always called to this that you see
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not that I look better about studies
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me that twenty years ago what you
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t know if by disillusionment, but
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another way. Now look where we
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' s a phrase, a phrase
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to the front, but when a
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and what happened to me, that
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but delighted to tell it, was
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the radio, but without a program
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which is always more difficult, because
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I said good to see if I
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it, but yeah, that'
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more professional idea. But then,
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' ve said and also what'
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to do the same radio show.
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I want, then I did it
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as I knew, as I was
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that it was something else, that
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be radio that could be done as
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bit like we were also preparing the
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of people talking at home, etcetera. And that this was the other roll

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that still today a long chapter,
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for fifteen days. I was just
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coming and I' m saying,
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now and he' s telling me, hey, we offer you a weekly

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program that' s monthly or whatever, but you have to physically come to

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this place, you have to prepare
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fifty- five minutes nailed down and
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I, with the facilities that I
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would have to put a balance if
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we have a number of freedoms that
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podcastre and that, fortunately, I
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at best on the radio. It
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of course, the spending on travel, the hours, on travel, also

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in preparation that we want to just
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time in front of the microphone,
and not that and long and then we

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have to see what you are willing
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first one to say where I want
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radio station because it' s true
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do it wherever you want, but
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to go to the studio. But
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great about the radio. Well,
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When you' re here, we
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I love, that it' s
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but that connection that happens when you
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come in and it works and it
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the news letter, on how to
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there pi pipi and lock the.
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direct and then the technicians, those
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deserves the good one, mates,
coffee such is another roll, because the

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podcast you have a little more knight- errant. It' s not gonna

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be a little more in your studio. You' re a little more alone

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so to speak. But what you
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relying on more people in time,
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it is logical and man, there
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to be some contents. Usually the
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s one at last, there'
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things. I don' t know. That really likes the radio and that,

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as you said, precisely in the
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a chapter now that you also liked
the technical part of the fact that you

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were the microphone, that people often
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side, without the technical part behind
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of the publication' s fisto,
dissemination. In the end, we recorded

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podcasts, but that' s about
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done. The fact of recording is
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of course is what has always been
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says good here you see the presenter
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because in podcast, the best is
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not necessary either, but there are
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me already I tell you that I
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that I liked it, but also
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' s why I really liked what
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I do it that way, I, the podcast. I do so

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with these features, but it doesn' t have to be that way,

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that is, you can make it
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doesn' t have to sound good
mine didn' t sound very good the

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other day, because a small piece
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is for God what shame, that
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like echo there sounded fatal. But
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' s that of course you sound
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done on the radio, because I
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have the means, that is,
freedom, that that' s for me

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the key to podcasting. But I
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of the radio. To me,
I already tell you that radio I like

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very much because of that connection,
which is produced, which also comes from

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the fact that the radio ended up
hating it a little bit and it seems

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a lie that someone who likes podcasting
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they forced me. I spent six
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were musical radios on and the musical
radios in the end was sota horse king

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every day and I ended up with
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always the same, always the same
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commercial radios and especially on musical radio. Well, it' s got that,

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just like there' s radio,
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s radio sports. But, fortunately, podcasting, because it has opened up

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a range of possibilities for everything in
duration, in themes, in very interesting

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monetizations. What you said about the
radio, because I give you an example,

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a dish that you like a lot
by the random in macaroni with bologna

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vale y chulletón, because you imagine
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well, macaro, not today will
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then today, yes, there came
a time when you are packed and with

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the radio music, especially, but
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that is, in a station that
I don' t want to say either,

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because because if I was a listener
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a job that I spent so many
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same or the same channel many times
the same guests, the same songs every

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day, there comes a time that
good that in fact I haven' t

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listened again, that is, I
listen to programs loose from that station and

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others, but I can' t
stand anymore. The mission continues because of

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that because it is very predictable.
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who love him, I mean,
listen, I know that when he sounds,

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I have to want to. I
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I' m out of work,
he hears perfect, but routine, that

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' s what we' re tired
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podcast. I think a little bit
saved, of course they all have their

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fixed structure and such, but there
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this ten minutes or so, because

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I think that, for example,
it will be a little more than ten

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minutes. No. I think that
likes it, it' s not that

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it' s a little different.
It' s also good and the radio

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I think should, within its limitations, also take note of that, to

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get a little out of the room, not always do the same and in

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every season try to risk a little, to innovate, to make programs and

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say listen because it hasn' t
worked. Come on, we don'

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t do this program again. But
to do that happens to them as persible

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to say in the summers they experience
exactly the fellows. That' s for

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me the podcast you got a little
bit like the radio summer scholarship depots.

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because I don' t remember what
it was. Because in the morning,

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which is five minutes what it takes
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as in the car, apart from
that they are no longer there, they

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are not very listeners of podcast,
although they are creators of podcast, but

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they are not very listeners. But
of course, in the morning we always

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hear the same chain and are always
good, specifically special Evasorian bodies. And

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live episode or something and they pulled
a little piece. I mean, look,

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you see, this is usually not
the usual thing. They' re

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going to do a live show and
this goes off the norm. And when

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they do that, if it'
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going to be people in a theater, that' s it. They can

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only do it for the best in
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broadcast it in summer and she asks
me, but why in summer. I

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mean, because it takes the summer
vacation clear what the headlines are out and

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there are the alternates, the interns, the engravings, that' s the

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archives, the best thing that some
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that people really are what they would
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the radio, because I think that
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and formulas, which is logical,
that they repeat, there is also a

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lack of connection with the themes,
because you have said it. Your daughters

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are podcasters, but they don'
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' t listen to radio. They
don' t listen because they don'

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t listen to my podcasts, but
maybe they listen to others and they might

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find it hard to find the best
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they' re interested in and that
they' re dealing with. Maybe they

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listen to others from me who know
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know if it' s the case
or children' s or fictional podcasts or

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whatever, but they find that on
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little harder and especially when you go
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feel for them. Perhaps, for
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It' s funny because what they
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they' ve also seen it on
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program aimed at them, far from
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to me that I remember a case
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divers, which was a chapter like
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ten or twelve chapters focused on the
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don' t know what and that
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is, they in the target.
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look at the children' s podcasting, even though it' s tried,

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but it doesn' t finish knowing. I understand that, logically, children

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and young people, young people perhaps
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thinking about listening to podcasts. But
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too. Now what happens is that
it' s a question of what

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you' ve said about feeling like
the typical meme that' s sitting next

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to a cold drawer there and saying
this is a podcast that you feel like

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integrated the conversation, that you know
you' re out. It works at

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all ages, but of course,
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age bracket and it is true that
it has been tried several times. There

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are apps, there are devices.
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loved that they' re devices that
you put like some kind of people'

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s cards. If I have it
and I telecast a bank, there are

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some who go with a FC,
with dolls and they go putting podcast that

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you know it seems a wonder,
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they had like a box that I
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see what it was like and if
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else and change the records from one
doll to another and so on or record

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the ones that you gave her to
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because that kind of thing applied to
the podcast and put very easy for children.

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I mean it makes them future podcast
listeners and maybe they don' t

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end up working, although there'
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' m also a little I don' t know much, but that'

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s a little bit. I'
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theme and so on. I think
this takes time, that is to say,

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to train to mean, for the
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have to listen to podcast, they
have to get into their habits, they

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have to have their little puppies.
They' re not suaus headphones, their

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I don' t know if they
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where they reproduce it and that it' s personal, that they can

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choose their things with a certain criterion, with control, advice or whatever.

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already want to do or listen to
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will then form more listeners. And
in many countries above all, they are

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very much taken into account. I
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To begin with, they have a
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education network and Mogollón of local radio
stations with contents for children, not only

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educational, but also leisure, entertainment, chat, debates or so. And

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all that makes exactly clear sports,
kids' sports and all that makes future

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radio listeners more critical, probably also
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Now, with the help of a
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in many schools has been implemented school
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do not broadcast in wave. And
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encouragement for teachers themselves. I was
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were looking forward to putting the students
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have already done a couple of cultural
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course I already know their own peers, because besides, as the four,

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the four, how they say the
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grades have passed. Of course it
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I have gone with the podcasts already
know me and that of the podcasts and

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the parents also that Jorge of the
few has re- recorded and that year

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also have gone the grandparents, with
which I am already putting families. So

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it goes viral exactly, you start
creating that community around the podcast, logically

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by proximity, because it' s
your family, it' s your son,

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your total grandson. But then you
start listening to the partners. The

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comrades will pass it on to others. That' s what you' re

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creating future listeners for, and I
really like what you' ve said,

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we' re actually always doing school
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school radio because, because it'
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about licenses and so on, really
what it is is is school podcast.

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because we' re not going to
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radio, it' s podcast.
Well, call the school radio and it

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' s distributed through podcast. And
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yes, and apart from me,
in the course itself I told him

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as soon as I started. I
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do a radio workshop, but you
know you' re never going to make

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radio because it' s never going
to be broadcast. You don' t

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have an antenna, you don'
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going to podcast. And already many
of them said that it' s the

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podcast thing and there was already to
go, of course they will see that

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it looked like close family, but
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we see this as something we have
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I' m going to the small
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a little, because I have it
divided into various blocks present, that

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is, it has passed, present
and future. And of course we now

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have it as normal. We don' t have to explain what a podcast

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is anymore. Almost everyone. There
are people who do, but well,

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twenty years ago, that is,
when you met the first in the first

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cano, it would be the second
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When you met that second creator,
that little community, that protocommunity, what

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it was like to meet other podcast
creators. Sure, I did that on

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my platform. I can' t
imagine it was a word. I'

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ve commented on it once because it
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And so, so, I was
in Madrid picking up Y such and good

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because listening I am recording recording that
guy. Before I didn' t want

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to record because I didn' t
like how it sounded that the first podcast

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would have been, it could have
been in August of September, but I

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didn' t like it like I
was staying. I didn' t look

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like on the radio, but what
I was looking for, I was looking

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for fly. But why there'
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first of all, this looks great. This is like making radio over the

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Internet and getting people to get there
and listen to it when they want radio

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on the Internet, like streaming,
but deferred, so turn it around as

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you want. But it was likeà la carte radio over the Internet and

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where they are, because I'
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in Spanish, or anything. There
wasn' t and that started me with

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the first one. There was still
no such thing in September and when it

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was published and in the days I
found Jaime Batiz in Mexico, the shortest

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podcast in history and I said finally, there is someone at last. But

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of course it was called the shortest
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it said what the idea was like. In the second how to do it

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in the third, such in the
fourth as disto of duration, but of

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episode, which made four episodes and
ended. Of course he promised it was

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the second podcast of the story and
almost the first one, because it was

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for a few days and the shortest
one of the story and he fulfilled and

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then he took out another one that
was called let' s talk a little

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bit, I already lost track because
of course what you say, he already

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began to see more. But above
all, how I knew it was the

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question, because they told me,
because they told me that they had heard

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mine and that' s why I
was also excited to say it. Eh,

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then already this are encouraged and today
I said I always told them listen,

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for how well, because also,
out of pure selfishness, so I

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also have to listen to another podcast
and also to be able to give feedback

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and say hear, for he told
me how it seems to you because the

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first batch was not of what I
expected. I say this you' ll

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see. The radio announcers, they' re going to radio, they'

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re going to come in here on
a roll for him, not on a

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radio, they didn' t arouse
any interest, let' s say.

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It was the people who had things
to tell, because in the beginning and

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that we have already commented it also
in some places, said recently also the

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director of Catalonia Radio in Granogers,
that at the beginning of the radios did

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not see it as an ally,
like a new channel, they had it

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as a competition of radio poorly done
by lover has cost a lot, but

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then it is true that they,
for example Catalonia Radio, realized very quickly

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of hearing. This is really it. This is another way to reach many

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people, for example in content in
Catalan, who live in Catalans, will

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live all over the world, but
the signal will not reach through the Internet.

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You always have to select criteria,
costs. This is another way,

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another distribution platform. And that also
happened with the Spanish podcast, which really

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started later on to that capillarity.
It was through the listeners, the comments,

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and there was a time when the
comments communicating when, as I started

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with the blog, because it had
neither its own domain nor anything, the

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comments were becoming a kind of directory. I made podcast today. Oh,

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I' ve pimped. Well,
look, I got another one and I

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' ve got a little bit of
it picking up. Then we did a

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wiki and then he started to see
something where he could, especially at the

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beginning it was what you said where
I found other podcasts in Spanish of the

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theme whatever, because to me people
who said look, I am not interested

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in technology, but as it is
in Spanish, because I hear it,

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not to learn languages that they told
me. It happened to me, too.

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Now not because already among the people
who recommend me, but I remember

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years ago that in summer the podcast
broadcast stopped, in summer that I do.

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Well, I' m going to
look for something that you find me

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and in your time it happened to
me especially the first very first summers and

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I' m talking to you about
the two thousand nine, two thousand ten,

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that I was already left with no
podcast, despite having more or less

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chips to the whole post- carfer
world, because man, maybe, some

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you liked more, others less,
even those you didn' t like in

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summer, because you used those times
and listened to it. But in two

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thousand four, two thousand five,
I mean, even if it wasn'

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t summer, I had no podcasts
to consume, you' d have to

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follow the radio. In the two
thousand four, I tell you, we

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started in the autumn, as we
say here, in the area we started

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to produce such. But of course, the distribution was complex, especially the

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blogs that helped in the dissemination.
It was like the memest of both arms.

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So they come out of blogs and
podcasts and not listeners because blogs,

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the technology was actually very much based
on part of blogs, without getting technical,

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and then they were the first ones
to start spreading and creating with more

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or less success, because of course
there were many bloggers that it' s

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true and some so well known in
some sites that said good. I,

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as a blogger and I have no
idea how many thousand followers or reader what

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it was called at that time and
then they won and you said for God,

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but they were not in their language, in their mediums, they left

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it, they parked it and then
it' s the same thing that happens

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now with the instagrams. Or you
Stocker that not everyone has to doubt everything

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and nothing happens, but what did
a lot was blogrolls. Then they became

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pot rolls that now recently read that
Transistor was going to put it as one

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of the great novelties and says Mira
forgives Transistor be. The idea is good.

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Of course, the idea is good
podcasting two zero to the top and

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show up in the player all great. But that already in two thousand four

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was invented and it was also,
I remember that the change of blog rodeo

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good. This will already have to
put blogs and podcast and in the end

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it was a pot roll, because
that' s all I' m putting

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in. Yeah. They are almost
podcasts for that, to encourage distribution and

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00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:47,039
dynamization of content, but I think
many were not very good. But what

416
00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:52,039
blogs were mouthing was what was pointing
almost to a ot of silver. Yes,

417
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,759
yes, yes, two thousand yes, two thousand four, yes,

418
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:56,960
yes. They were there, they
were going up then maybe to two thousand

419
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,240
ten. That' s when he
hit the firecracker, which is what we

420
00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:03,759
have now experienced, in the two
thousand twenty as podcast, but Carlos blogs,

421
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,359
the first wave and that sharing that
there were those powerful, those clouds

422
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,880
of Pike. Having feedban er also
did a lot in spreading all this notice

423
00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:15,000
that blogs have abandoned and that is
whether blogs are a little bit of a

424
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,640
downside, but above all that they
have abandoned that, that community, those

425
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:26,279
dates, and that has only been
relegated to podcasts. There are very few,

426
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:30,000
well, some there are, but
because social networks, of course we

427
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,200
were seeing it. The social networks
were becoming the focus of attention of all

428
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,920
the traffic and a blog that had
to be easy, that is to say

429
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:41,119
imagine before the before two thousand,
because to make web page or yes,

430
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:44,000
that it was an adventure, but
as I recurorón to me I liked and

431
00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:45,839
such because I did not see it. Such, but when you tried to

432
00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:48,920
say it to someone the closest it
seemed to you was to put a comment

433
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,920
somewhere. But to create a web
not the pH penuque that I don'

434
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,880
t know if people remember jum Laff
that I wasn' t able to look

435
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,640
bad group that is there. Yes, I said ks that then he turned

436
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,079
out that there was something else that
was called WordPress, which was much easier

437
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,359
than group. It took me years
to figure it out, too. Look

438
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,680
then lost twenty years, good to
make for twenty- one already this clear

439
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,359
year, in fact, in the
EVE I don' t know how many

440
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,319
was Matt not called because he was
there of reeds. There with the people

441
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,200
of the I recognize a little in
that forgiveness, I am of drupal,

442
00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:23,480
I of WordPress. Not that'
s too commercial, too much stem,

443
00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:26,599
it' s more Indian and then
you tell yourself. This is wonderful.

444
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,759
Wordpros. It' s a wonder
because it puts everything is super easy.

445
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,759
Blog estal such not what we were
going to. All that technology made it

446
00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,000
a little more difficult and the podcast, as you had it, is a

447
00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:41,279
little more difficult because apart you had
to have the sound as well. There

448
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,400
were people who were pulling him back. But the dynamization and the awareness,

449
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:48,319
it has to be said publicly thanks
to blogs, certainly it is. And

450
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,200
what there was community, what I
had actually gone for on social media.

451
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,680
Of course, the blogs were finding
that clearly what I publish here they put

452
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,920
it on social networks and all the
comments go there and then Facebook orcute,

453
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,559
people remember that and in my blog
then or nobody comments, because what happened

454
00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:10,279
also and the video. The first
podcasts had video, but of course,

455
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:12,680
you have to save as emp four, that if codex, that if you

456
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:18,400
download that if that two thousand five
comes to YouTube and you upload it for

457
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,599
free and boom and that' s
it and you share a UVRL and everyone

458
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:22,960
sees it, then here I am
going to complicate myself of the whole mess

459
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,920
of podcasts and of such and with
the podcasts that has happened and what is

460
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,480
happening also and that is inevitable because
it is logical, because I put it

461
00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:33,079
in Spotify, only in Spotify is
it neither a feed nor anything. And

462
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,200
I give to people in the url
and it' s already before and that

463
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,680
' s maybe to keep past several
highs, but going back. That'

464
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,559
s it, that dynamic has always
attended among social networks and hurt blogs and

465
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:48,160
it can also harm us if we
don' t take into account some features

466
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,640
that have podcast. Class is that
social networks swallowed everyone, that is,

467
00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:56,240
blogs stayed at the end as a
web page, that even the web pages

468
00:26:56,279 --> 00:27:00,640
themselves, if it wasn' t
for e- commerce. Sure, yeah,

469
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:04,480
yeah, they' d be right
now. Everything would be Amazony and

470
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:10,960
exact Amazon platforms and social networks and
man, either for streaming platforms or something.

471
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,559
But a personal blog of someone,
because in the end what happens to

472
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:18,319
us, someone who really loves to
write or loves to record and forms their

473
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,039
own little corner. But a company
that' s going to have, so

474
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,079
it' s going to have a
website of its own to sell. They

475
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,960
already have him on Amazon to go
up. Videos is already YouTube to upload.

476
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,119
In the end, they do not
bother to create their own ecosystem with

477
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,680
the economic cost. Okay. Anyway, I always say the same thing,

478
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,519
that is, the last one in
the band line that probably sounds to you

479
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:41,160
on record. He was always on
record label Aslanders what he started to do

480
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,440
when they were able to record his
album in his studios and get to the

481
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,000
record label with his album under his
arm. And say it hey I put

482
00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:49,279
the last one in the row but
I don' t know the details very

483
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:52,559
well, but apply it to anyone
hello I have the record. I'

484
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:53,720
m a man if you give it
to me. Yeah, if this sells

485
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,839
itself to great. I don'
t have ah well, it' s

486
00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:00,440
okay. I took him to another
model was not us producing you the album.

487
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,759
Gives you a look, we'
ll give you good money. You

488
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:06,319
sign this that this is one against. Your standard to give up the rights

489
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,759
for life you and me and your
children. But this doesn' t take.

490
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,079
And but we took out your record, but it wasn' t yours.

491
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,319
At the end of the album it
was his, because it applies are

492
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:18,279
podcasts. That brings him a little
more to the present. I' m

493
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,480
sure you don' t notice I' m getting older. To me in

494
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:22,839
front of the Swiss and the switz
happened exactly. That' s just that

495
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:25,480
his rights ended up in the hands
of one of a guy' s guys.

496
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:27,680
I think they have nothing to do
with someone who bought them as someone

497
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,559
who buys another product to speculate and
you are unable to run or play or

498
00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:37,960
play your songs in concerts and you
have to add the era. If I

499
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,240
' m not mistaken. It'
s not a very good example, because

500
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:41,480
it' s the same thing.
It' s a turn of the nut

501
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,920
and that' s why it seems
to me also very interesting to me personally,

502
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,759
if among us musically I was not
interested anything, but I am very

503
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:53,240
interested in all the management that has
done to re- record your own catalog

504
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,720
to have control and then it will
be able not to put you a hack

505
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,480
even to Spotify. I don'
t know the story, but I saw

506
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,880
it as referring to one is not
that it' s very good the investigation

507
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,559
that Spotify left because I didn'
t want no and in the end it

508
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:03,880
had to come back well, because
they' ve come up with an agreement.

509
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,480
But he said no no to my
producer don' t end well,

510
00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:10,400
I record it with Spotify again and
I don' t take it. Okay,

511
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:11,039
I' m out. Then we' ll see if I come back.

512
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,119
That' s planetarle, but have
control, because the key is to

513
00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:15,880
have control of your product. And
what we forget is that the platforms aren

514
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,799
' t ours, the accounts,
they' re not ours, our Twitter

515
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,720
accounts. I put, I give
myself an example that I know is a

516
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:26,680
little ugly, but I can'
t think of a closer one. Communicating

517
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,920
arroba, communicating on Twitter, I
can' t use it because I lost

518
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:30,599
the domain. So, every time
I try, he wants to send me

519
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,559
an email, communicating podcast com that
I don' t know or who has

520
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:38,680
it, then there he is if
he has five hundred followers, saying if

521
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:41,920
it isn' t for the numbers, if that' s not why it

522
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,319
' s more illusion than it is, because communicating was like he was then.

523
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:47,200
Now I' ve searched by communicating
podcast. I' m just a

524
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,440
follower of my own podcast, nothing
more, but of course I don'

525
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:52,720
t use it anymore because I'
ve already lost why, because I was

526
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,519
left out of control, because it
wasn' t measured, however, from

527
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,960
the blog or other type of content
or from the podcast itself, as is

528
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,240
yours, because you can take it
wherever you want, if you depend on

529
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,759
yourself, if you host it and
distribute it multiplatform with your feed and such

530
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:11,480
and you clearly decide that it is
a little bit more complicated, but neither

531
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,880
to go crazy and you have Spreaker
and Box, you have all the usual

532
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:15,519
platforms to host it and besides,
you can also have it on platforms.

533
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,359
But if one day you' re
not interested or you don' t want

534
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:21,079
to have it on Apple Podcast.
Whatever it is, you change from husting

535
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:23,319
you don' t say anything to
the blocked game or I take it to

536
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,960
Bumbler and I do it private,
either by subscription or whatever you want,

537
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,799
because it' s yours to the
eye or whatever you want, but keep

538
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,400
in mind that that' s the
grace. Which differentiates the podcast from everything

539
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,839
else than the object itself. Audio
does not depend on the platform, as

540
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,440
it happens to the video or as
it happens with social networks. I know

541
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,279
it is. What doesn' t
listen to us I' ll say clearly,

542
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,839
we' ll see now good.
When we get to the present of

543
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,440
the future, we' ll see
that I' m still good. They

544
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,319
' re no longer two thousand four, no, but two thousand five,

545
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:55,839
two thousand six you were one of
the creators of Podcastellano. I don'

546
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,160
t know if you were also of
the PODCAST association, yes, I mean,

547
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,799
in the end we were as few
as we were, but we were

548
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:03,319
in all the sauces, we were
like parsley. I like to say because,

549
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,200
because not for the sake of protagonism
and such that in fact, the

550
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,920
first cities. No, not because
I would have made clear a meeting point

551
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,519
first and above all to share sorrows
and joys and give you a hand.

552
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,880
No, what happens is that also
that because it was so pro bono and

553
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,279
so, because that is why the
first association did not make much progress,

554
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,200
such with all the merits and respect
to the I think I was President in

555
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,359
the first and clear day- to- day work and so on, because

556
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:30,319
we needed to treat it a little
bit better structure. That' s why

557
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:34,240
it was good for the association to
then make a new one to two clear

558
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,480
zero point, because well, if
you don' t stop them for the

559
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:41,279
notary and the permits and so on
you went in the papers. They were

560
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:45,039
passing Barcelona, ceptinified. We'
re still clear about that kind of thing

561
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,359
because it happened, because we were
very distributed, but what united us was

562
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:55,079
a common hobby and with Post Castellano
what happened also makes me angry not to

563
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:56,799
remember names and such, but I' m a little so we could make

564
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:59,319
a steak here. Such, but
now it doesn' t make you podcast.

565
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,720
Scripts tor and pod Castellano com were
first born as wiki. I would

566
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:08,359
say wiki because the person who generously
gave us the accommodation and so on for

567
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,319
Wiki came up with red, such
with the symbol of the RCS and said

568
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,480
ah there it is for you.
Sure and in a few days we already

569
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:20,519
had, as it was super easy
to do in obstacles, you edited,

570
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,920
you were adding Mira podcast in the
CPM next link. Well, we'

571
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:23,880
ll have to make a guide,
no, because how to make a podcast,

572
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,119
come on, come on, so
come on who makes it, so

573
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:28,599
look. I have promulgated this on
the blog Pong, as copying pasting was

574
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,440
evolving and clear with pod Castellano what
happened that it wasn' t me alone,

575
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,200
that we were several, but what
I did was give up the accommodation

576
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:39,119
I had and so on and the
drupal that was group like no at that

577
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,920
time ada come for news. What
I wanted was also not only to keep

578
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,000
the technical and with the geek to
understand them, but to do a little

579
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:51,400
proselytism of hearing Look that they are
already. I don' t know how

580
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,799
many in America there are already a
thousand I don' t know what people

581
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:57,680
pay to advertise on a podcast.
How about and to see podcastellano intended to

582
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,279
do that more. That one,
because that being a group, a portal

583
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:01,640
that was that of the dove,
came out the word of the time,

584
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:07,519
a portal where one part and we
made ourselves to a bar to link all

585
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,200
the places that there was wiki,
drupal and so on. And then the

586
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,839
directory, especially the group key,
was the directory that recovered out there had

587
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:19,039
been a public dialogue in a pdf, a free comonso something. One of

588
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:22,279
the modules that had the best drupal
was one that was called book, which

589
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,240
was to make a book and what
it basically did was format you all the

590
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:30,519
contents that you told it to then
save as EPUF. Well, that'

591
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,759
s what they got back up there, because they lost the contents and so

592
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:37,279
on, but what I was going
to do right away, the first j

593
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:40,319
pots what they did was that,
that is to say, okay, somebody

594
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,640
we met phenomenal, we talked and
so on, and now that we arrived

595
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,319
and everyone grabbed it on their own, no, we don' t have

596
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:51,160
to make meeting points, where to
join the Spanish pod community, but then,

597
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:54,440
right away there was a spin off
that was Pod Catalá, because there

598
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,920
was also movement in Barcelona, in
Catalan and then, shortly after Podgalego,

599
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:00,680
because we also saw that the pharangulos
forgiveness began. If I do not say

600
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,640
it correctly, it always seems to
me a very nice name, because the

601
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:07,199
podcast was local, that is,
meeting points, and that also a little

602
00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:10,119
bit. I think he' s
lost his sight. It' s because

603
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:15,079
also the platforms what they do is
atomize all that and they put it on

604
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:20,880
one side so easy that we don' t need to talk to each other

605
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,039
to help us by clear points.
We are talking about a time when there

606
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:28,239
were neither platforms, nor Evox,
nor Spotify, nor that the fitcs had

607
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,119
to be created, but by hand, almost by hand, and where lodging

608
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,280
is that many times they did not
listen to it. No, it wasn

609
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:37,559
' t clear and there were no
apps. I was power or power or

610
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:42,440
I don' t know how it
seals to create, but for iTunes on

611
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,960
the four or nine, if I' m not mistaken from two or two

612
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,199
thousand eight. Oh, no,
of course, I don' t know

613
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,480
if I' m talking about when
he was on his cell phones. No,

614
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,039
no, no, no. Here
I' m saying on the computer

615
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,480
to download all that stuff into your
hippo. Or what plugged him in is

616
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:59,559
that people thought that the itun was
just for hypotter, that you could use

617
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:01,360
it on Windows, without TV or
mag or anything, and that all will

618
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,840
download you to listen offline the m
p three. Yeah, yeah, I

619
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,360
mean, it wasn' t that
simple. We lived at that time glued

620
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,079
to computers because of course, the
phones were for calling and the laptops lasted

621
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:15,119
the battery, because if memories don' t know an hour and an hour

622
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:19,760
or an hour and a half one, a little powerful two or they were

623
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,960
a mammoth I had a pack.
That was what we were going for was

624
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,559
a defensive harp, all wired.
It' s clear, we' re

625
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:27,360
talking. It gives us for a
podcast of technology card hears for yes,

626
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,719
yes, yes I one of retro
technology that is, this theology. I

627
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,000
have to stick in the cards themselves, like the VISE to be credit.

628
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:35,679
Also or more people were making me, I think it was called the format

629
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,079
they had, as well as a
PC. It' s kind of an

630
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,679
express in the good ones that was
and in the slowest speed, because above

631
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,440
in the villages, around here I
don' t tell you anything to travel.

632
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:45,519
I mean, it was complicated Madrid, because I remember when I came

633
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:50,159
in a little later. I went
into two thousand seven in Europe and we

634
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,960
installed those cards so that the reactors
would go around, but to send us

635
00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:59,400
the chronicle, the news, not
teletype, and they were connections that said

636
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:00,960
gta do less to return to the
office. Well, that' s what

637
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,679
we can offer you. What has
always been said that taxis were faster,

638
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,679
that network connections in cities and when
they had to pr en pendremos things well

639
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:13,559
will come good. On hard drives, it is true, on hard disks,

640
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:16,719
that singles went with hard disks,
with some hard tubes, that there

641
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,639
they put the pots, the photographs
themselves and there are printed and they sent

642
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,280
uncle to Barcelona, at three in
the morning, Barcelona, it is motorcycle

643
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:28,719
to get to the photo. We' re talking in a good time of

644
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,599
mine, so we' ve come
very much to talk about but we'

645
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:31,639
ve lost it. That. We
have gained in ease, in technology,

646
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,320
in all that, but what we
have lost are the meeting points, in

647
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,039
independence, that we must not forget
it in a certain way and the communities

648
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:42,559
that are formed not only around a
podcast, but around an idea about doing

649
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,719
pompousness, to spread it. That
is what I very much like about the

650
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,960
Community, which I have on the
other side of the Community microphone, for

651
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,960
example, as a Community pontnit.
For example, I go to Galicia in

652
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:58,519
a week, something that is forming
there. I read Barcelona in desire condesune

653
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,039
that on the 28th of June I
forgive. There' s a spotnights,

654
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,480
a Pastera agenda, I think.
Yeah, yeah, but it' s

655
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:08,840
changed your location to update that it' s there. I have to record

656
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,079
next week to announce this, because
it' s good. We already let

657
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,159
it fall here, that the coastal
agenda is there that, by the way,

658
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:17,719
Jorge never says it, that always
says the agenda of Ice Cream,

659
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,320
but he is also authorized to publish. Yeah, yeah, it changes I

660
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,079
' m canning the podcasteral agenda here
I make the point from affection. It

661
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:27,719
' s not from José Antonio Gelado, it' s from podcasting, it

662
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,480
' s from everyone who wants and
hears that I hear about many events that

663
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:31,719
I want to be there in the
cotarra And I also want to add,

664
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,039
because nothing aja. Gelado arroba y
heil and send an e- mail and

665
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:37,800
we add it. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually, it

666
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,719
' s happened to me or it' s told me to register. Yeah,

667
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:44,599
tell ice cream to say hello to
Javi for how ice your move is.

668
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:45,960
Tell Gelado to point out my events. Yeah, yeah, let'

669
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,639
s talk. There' s another
point, I' ve already talked to

670
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,880
him. Very interesting about Chigre'
s moves. If I' m not

671
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:54,119
mistaken, super interesting, because what
you' re going to do is good.

672
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,559
In fact, he' s already
doing it, it' s going

673
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:02,039
local is like mobile local chigre pod
Knights in Chicres, from an area,

674
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,320
then Asturias, then I' ll
get you. There' s one over

675
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,880
there who' s in a high
place, a stop, an impressive place,

676
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,760
crawling with chigre. I' m
gonna go to October. I think

677
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,679
it' s going to be August, but in the end, well.

678
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,920
But I like it very much because
it has united the idea of creating podcast

679
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:22,119
there with its own podcast, which
is precisely to empower the people of Asturias,

680
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:22,880
that is, what it is doing. He' s back to those

681
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,280
origins. It' s a bit
of what we were talking about here,

682
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,360
bringing him closer to the local,
the one that' s close to him,

683
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:34,159
and that' s totally portable,
because he with his rodecaste with a

684
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,119
couple of bugs, he rides him
in a chigre, he rides him in

685
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:37,960
a bar, and people find out
a neighbor who has a business or I

686
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:38,559
don' t know what there will
be, which is an idea. I

687
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:40,239
hope they do it in more places, because yes, yes, yes,

688
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,639
come on. It' s ready, like I put it, like other

689
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,880
events that go, but in that
case let' s say it' s

690
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,599
that podcast comes to uncle I know
that the people that are there in the

691
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:49,760
bar will be people going. But
to the people who say and this is

692
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,079
that, as if it were a
performance or it were such and they see

693
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:54,639
a more live podcast, it'
s going to reach the people who are

694
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:58,400
not involved in the story. Not
that, moreover, has the common point

695
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,639
that as it deals with topics of
topic, because in pot niit the bad

696
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,760
or the good is something that depends
how you catch it, is that you

697
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,840
do not know the podcast that you
will find and you may like it or

698
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,800
if you know, but well,
you may like it better or you may

699
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,320
like it less. Depends on the
month. Not every podcast is different,

700
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,800
but here, as it is always, the same podcast. In the end

701
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,920
it is very attractive, because people, that is, it is a niche

702
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,800
podcast that is doing podcasts in its
different locations, but all around the niche

703
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,559
of Asturias. It is now that
the idea and crowdfunding, which was a

704
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:30,760
success, i e, it has. Actually, that' s a very

705
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,840
good idea. Well in the end
we owed it again in two thousand is

706
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,039
that recently I pointed out that recently
Daniana gay rescued some recordings of the j

707
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:43,800
for two thousand six. Yes,
or that it was you telling me those

708
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,400
for me were in two thousand six
and Barcelona, in Barcelona, I don

709
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,840
' t know how to say without
taking away any merit from any previous or

710
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,400
subsequent ones, but it was like
the first more among I open massive professional

711
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:57,719
quotation marks, well, massive,
clear and more. Yes, yes,

712
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,159
yes, also and of repercussion in
the media, because several factors came together,

713
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,000
because I was mainly also because there
was Daniel Alagai and Ana also,

714
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,440
who was also there put in the
organization, but because they already had their

715
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,719
contacts with Barcelona, with the City
Council, they moved it, they knew

716
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,880
very well to move looking for a
place of one I do not remember very

717
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,239
well exactly, but it was a
cultural center, in a cultural center.

718
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:22,920
But above all I was impressed with
what gets excited, because I was excited

719
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,000
when I saw myself in the posters, these signs, these that make you

720
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:30,079
that concert of I don' t
know who. Such to see days of

721
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:36,760
podcasting cultural center, such to see
it in the programming of the cultural activities

722
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,920
of the City of Barcelona, with
all the things that they did in two

723
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,440
thousand six, that was and clear
and there I was gave all the great

724
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,960
means. It came out in many
places, that is, it had a

725
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,920
lot of repercussion and then the content
Dani, that is, the talks,

726
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,159
which were very funny. But of
course it was, if I am not

727
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,400
wrong to promote podcast or publipodcata,
we were talking about the advantages, because

728
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,639
it was also another crazy idea that
we had too soon for their time,

729
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:00,960
how to advertise you on podcast.
So this is how it is from now

730
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:02,400
on, well, we' re
already thinking. That' s precisely what

731
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,800
I have pointed out in the script
that I sound like, because there wasn

732
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,000
' t even podcast. Now,
well, we' re having a hard

733
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,440
time finding advertisers. But if you
think about it well, if you do

734
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,960
a yes, if now, as
you say an average, the rates you

735
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:19,920
promote, you put an email.
This is what you commented on in an

736
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,039
episode recently. Please put in the
contagion mail. No, I don'

737
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,639
t order the mail anymore, I
ask for some form of contact somewhere.

738
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,880
It' s just not the fifed. I want you to research and sponsor

739
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,320
look. We talked about x mark. Now that I sponsor myself, but

740
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,199
how will I sponsor you if I
don' t metter? Here' s

741
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:39,119
my twitter and then you get there. He doesn' t admit sending messages,

742
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,199
and so does that one. Or
they have the messages, not only

743
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,719
if you follow me or you write
to him and he doesn' t even

744
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:50,639
read it, that is, put
some way that if you want someone to

745
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,360
worry, worry totally you really want
to monetize something, you have to be

746
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,920
a project I' m not going
to say with thousands of listens, but

747
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,559
a project that, at least it' s viable to contact what prices,

748
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:05,559
how much it goes to things that
I don' t know recently when you

749
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:07,840
wrote to me hear more or less
how many downloads you have brother or less,

750
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:07,840
how it moves clearly to have that
prepared, because if you want to

751
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,199
they' re going to ask you. But I would even say that even

752
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:15,000
if you don' t want advertisers, even if you don' t want

753
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:17,199
advertisers themselves, but you wouldn'
t be interested to know what your listeners

754
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,920
opilate, you wouldn' t like
to be offered topics or a guest or

755
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,000
say hey, because I am an
editorial that pulls out a fishing book,

756
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:25,000
you have a podcast, you wouldn' t like to be contacted by so

757
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,360
many emails. I don' t
think we get as many emails from podcasts

758
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:31,079
as that' s why you put
in a form of contacts if you have

759
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:35,719
a podcast. It' s my
advice that it' s something so simple

760
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,559
that we' re blinded by social
networks in the end. Don' t

761
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,559
follow me on Instagram, on tiktok, not that people want to contact you

762
00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:44,760
not through the social network, than
the social network in the morning. This

763
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,960
was commented by the Lucus now that
they had heard the same social network.

764
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:50,840
Tomorrow he changes the algorithm, tomorrow
he changed his name and they load it.

765
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,519
I' m the best example I
can put on Twitter for everything that

766
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:54,079
' s been changing and everything that' s been going on. So,

767
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,920
don' t depend on it and
look, we' re going back a

768
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,400
little bit to the past at that
time. I don' t know if

769
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:06,880
I' d be, but,
well, everyone we were Internet users has

770
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:07,400
Messenger where Mesenge is now. Yeah, actually, I bought the first one,

771
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,239
Black Berry, which I have,
for example. By the way,

772
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,920
there I have all the phones.
There' s an archaeology, my mother.

773
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,639
Now I have one pal one,
bread hair, three, I have

774
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,280
one afire and I have the blackber, the pearl and the other. I

775
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,639
don' t know where he is. The first one I had, not

776
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:25,559
because I bought it for two reasons. First, for having Internet connection on

777
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:30,840
any site flat rate, for I
don' t know how much it was

778
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,239
with wedding phone or whether there'
s tel or not, I well,

779
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,000
I don' t know who it
was red. Let' s go to

780
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,559
the one of the two that had
even limited Internet flat raffle and especially because

781
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:43,119
you had month in day that you
could chat with people anywhere from mobile.

782
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:45,559
That changed everything for me. And
now, because she taught me she'

783
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:50,599
s left, because that' s
because it doesn' t even ring a

784
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:51,599
bell anymore, but we have Whatsapp. I think that the Whatsapp was the

785
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,599
one that was actually replaced for good
before I think that Messen was already Whatsapp,

786
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:59,599
didn' t take long or there' s a jump, uh,

787
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:00,599
I don' t know what to
say, because it was there. That

788
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:02,199
' s a lot of people we' re trying. Sure and well,

789
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:06,920
I also don' t say what
comes or whats, but it would be

790
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,039
from Messenger to Black Berry, because
it was also a black Berry and d

791
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:10,840
as black Berry was, yes,
serve Berry E who became. So I

792
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,800
was a pilot there of numbers became
but the ones that came I said quotas

793
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,239
or it didn' t sound so
weird to you either. No, but

794
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:22,440
the mesenier simplified because it was the
e- mail. And then that'

795
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,920
s what you got. He'
s right that u cool as a time

796
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,599
until it wasn' t that simple, it wasn' t that simple.

797
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:30,239
Google tried and could have been much
more if they had developed it. But

798
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,719
of course, when whatsapp came later, it was so simple, that it

799
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,760
was everything. Now that you didn' t believe it on the spot and

800
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,960
started SKYPE. We forgot sky is
true. We forgot SKYT as a chat

801
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:44,159
tool. But above all, the
podcasters discovered that you could record with people

802
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:46,920
who were not physically and that it
wasn' t on the phone and sometimes

803
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,440
it sounded good yes, yes,
totally look at yourself. We' re

804
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,400
reviewing not that I had it casting
special archaeology you pruned the technological chronology,

805
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:04,960
because catera yes yes these challenges that
commented on the monetization of advertising and that,

806
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,440
that is, when you uploaded podcasts
to yours. I don' t

807
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:12,440
know if I filed or blip Tv
at that time or because of course there

808
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,960
wasn' t Evox, there wasn' t a podcast hosting like we have

809
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,199
now like but what it was like
to upload a clear episode, I don

810
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:22,519
' t know what it would take
you very well, very fast, very

811
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,119
easy. I mean, you were
doing the program on Friday, so I

812
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:29,400
always took a lot of time to
prepare for it or it was an hour

813
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,000
of program with five sections as well. I was looking for music interviewed.

814
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,000
People out good. Anyway, it
was a mess, but I already had

815
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:40,119
everything you recorded, you rode it
such I would normally give it on Saturday

816
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:44,000
afternoon to go up and Sunday morning. I was up all right. There

817
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:45,920
were times when I didn' t
give you a mistake. You were back

818
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,199
again. I mean it was an
impossible mission, but it was worth it

819
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,000
where you uploaded it to your own
host ting, being first to my own

820
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:57,519
husting, where I had the rest
of the blogs that they told me to

821
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,679
hear you' re eating jas bandwidth. You don' t know in the

822
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,079
audiences I had, because I never
cared much about it, but a time

823
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:07,440
that was enough because of course everyone
was going to listen to it and besides,

824
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:07,880
it was also downloaded because of course
it was listening to us. Well,

825
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:10,320
it was a shock. After all, first of all that and the

826
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,639
space, that is, the bandwidth
and the space that was leaving, because

827
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:19,079
I have to look for it was
good, because GeoCities that provided free hosting

828
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:22,079
of pages of how much I saw
in MMP three these illegal content. But

829
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:24,920
it' s mine if the music
is that you say it like it'

830
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,639
s mp three illegal tripod in triple. I' ve also been staying a

831
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:31,880
long time. Then there were some
people staying in Megabload and we said no.

832
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:35,280
Not there, not anymore, because
he won' t let you tie

833
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,239
him up. Of course, you
weren' t allowed to launch it from

834
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,519
the RSS. That was going back, but everyone was staying where they could

835
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:45,360
get blip TV, and that revolutionized
everything, because blit says. But if

836
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,880
it' s video it wasn'
t like some kind of Vimeo more than

837
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,280
YouTube. Indeed, but it allowed
you to host audio for free, there

838
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,599
was a very affordable plan. I
remember it wasn' t very complicated and

839
00:46:55,679 --> 00:47:00,360
that was the best until it ended. And then, for the history,

840
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,440
I started to see that in archive, in ARCHIPRG you were admitted MMP three

841
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,360
and also you were given several formats. But I had another one. You

842
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,760
lose it, which is that I
did format at sixty- four ks and

843
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,599
at one hundred and twenty- eight. I say not one hundred and twenty

844
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:14,639
- eight. Over there, thinking
of the prize in Tonces, yes,

845
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:15,760
yes, the prize eno one hundred
and twenty- eight that I' m

846
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,199
going to go to me. I
asked for k why, because it took

847
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,039
me a lot less to download by
model. So that' s why I

848
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:22,840
said well, you have to do
the version, the low fi version not

849
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,400
of such jual. If it is
to me I created the first podcast in

850
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,760
two thousand thirteen and because of a
retweet of a famous one, I consumed

851
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,119
the entire one- year fee of
atos. In two thousand thirteen I am

852
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:36,960
speaking, yes, yes, yes, and in a month the entire data

853
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:39,000
rate was consumed and wrote me about
the host. Hey, that' s

854
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,920
clear because they had hit the play
without downloading it, but from so many

855
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,880
plays, because the famous guy at
work. I don' t know how

856
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,000
many a thousand celebrities I mean,
people. And I consumed a data rate

857
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:49,400
at two thousand six, two thousand
seven, I didn' t imagine two

858
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,880
thousand four. Yes, yes,
it was the same, but fewer options,

859
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:55,480
less space and more difficult in our
aference. Less accommodation, less all

860
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:59,079
this, but there' s an
exception. There is something I do want

861
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,119
to remember in the podcast story that
we often forget. Mr Jack Dors and

862
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,400
Bice Ston, before making Twitter,
made one for me, one of the

863
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,159
best hosting and distribution services of podcasts
in history, which almost nobody knows is

864
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,880
called hatred or deo, which looked
like a blender, cookies and hate audio

865
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,960
and besides, it' s a
very cool symbol, a star and such

866
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,519
if you do see that if you
tell yourself, because you told it recently

867
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:23,280
I don' t know where it
was a wonder, I had everything,

868
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,239
I even allowed your listeners to give
it a button and they recorded an answer

869
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,360
and it came to you in audio
and you could only download it from the

870
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,519
next one. The bomb had everything
perfect. What happened they did it in

871
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,079
so if Twitter went to sleep seven
this two thousand six, they did it

872
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:43,599
too soon and then they couldn'
t sell it. They did not have

873
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:45,760
the expectations, because they in the
United States is another world that there too

874
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:50,320
it is true that the podcast market
also advanced faster commercially. In the audience,

875
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,559
in creation we have nothing to envy, but yes in marketing and they

876
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:57,880
saw that not. That' s
not so And yet, the fool is

877
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,840
that I' ve said it for
them, this we have for how we

878
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,559
like each other and that it'
s funny about the Twitter that they took

879
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:07,840
away the etal for that month is
we have i of such, because this

880
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:14,199
makes us funny and this really cool
and listen you we' re going to

881
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:15,280
call you Twitter and if we put
it version for mobile, so that you

882
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,000
can also with mobile phones. They
started to develop it and what happened,

883
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:23,400
because they ended up closing the best
and they stayed with the internal nonsense that

884
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,480
they had to then, because you
look at everything I suppose and I told

885
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:30,960
it a little bit in an interview
in a snow bet Ston, because with

886
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,800
Jack I have never been able to
talk and it is that I did not

887
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,360
believe it and to and moreover,
what I really liked is to see that

888
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:43,039
he did believe boyfriend, but he
said clearly that it was too soon was

889
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:45,119
they did not have the patience or
the investment to be able to endure if

890
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:47,079
I had not batted it. I
don' t know when it was no

891
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:49,920
with the KYNT blues pitch. It
wasn' t before. I think when

892
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,800
they started doing experiments of the directs
these spaccis do, yeah, when they

893
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:58,559
pulled in the clone of clap house
with if on Twitter they said that Twit

894
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:04,320
is finally coming back as well as
coming back not clear that yes, because

895
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:05,559
they' re going to that it
wasn' t called Twitter. No,

896
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:07,760
no, no, no. I
mean, I' d like to be

897
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,679
good if any listener that would leave
him the comments on the show, like

898
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,440
the youtubers did. No, but
it wasn' t called Twitter the company

899
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,920
and then the product was the one
that ended up calling the company. But

900
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,320
the company was, if I'
m not mistaken, it was hatred,

901
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,000
yes, yes, they were the
creators, among many other things, because

902
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:29,800
that hate Twitter, but no and
during that time it was great because they

903
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,400
also allowed you to link directly to
the file and hosted and distribute it in

904
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,039
the Federss. I mean, I
did the two things and the comments of

905
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,480
the listeners that you said what hit
the cucumber. The audio mails at first,

906
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,559
as I didn' t know what
to call them, were the audio

907
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,159
mails as I called, because of
course it was an email that sent you

908
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:47,639
one along with audio, but it
was an avenue for people to record.

909
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:51,559
Then I wanted to look for something
to be given a button and recorded on

910
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:55,039
a web page and then it'
s true that expensive idea then went on

911
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:57,840
other platforms that adapted it very well. Yes, yes, in the end

912
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,119
it has evolved. Okay. We
will support to fundamental to the departure a

913
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:01,760
little to the present, because in
the end we touch past present. I

914
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,440
don' t want to move into
the future, but I do. Yeah,

915
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,840
and we just got off to a
good start, okay, patience,

916
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,320
there' s no other coffee.
Yeah, go on. I' m

917
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,800
going to use it for chapter one
and two. No, but I did

918
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:21,119
want to spend some time seeing the
present. Perhaps it is clear that this

919
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:24,039
is being recorded in two thousand twenty- four, but I do want to

920
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:30,159
pass to about ten twelve, fifteen
years where already the podcasting began to explode,

921
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,440
not massively, but yes, for
example, when Syrial arrived, when

922
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:37,159
already the podcast community in Spain,
the j P thirteen. I remember that

923
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,400
I met you if you were wrong
in two thousand thirteen in the Desserts in

924
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,800
Madrid, adried not in what you
had a talk with rafa osuna and I

925
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,960
don' t remember who else.
Yes, it' s true, yes,

926
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,239
and Daniel was there, too.
I think he did come, too

927
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,599
I' ve got the pictures around
here. That' s how the organization

928
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,039
was. Yes, I do.
Besides, I keep a lot because one

929
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:02,880
of the microphones that was in that
room and that table was one of me

930
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,079
and I said by I' m
going to keep this microphone because in a

931
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:08,679
few years' time around here I
can say and I have to see which

932
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:12,440
one of you was in front of
that microfo said that that' s very

933
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,199
radio. That' s very radio. When you get lin, when you

934
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,199
leave you become like your mic and
because it was people, I say clearly

935
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,440
it' s podcast. Also,
yes, two thousand ten, two thousand

936
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,960
eleven, two thousand gifts already began
the podcast day. It was a non

937
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:27,639
- massive thing, but well,
it already brought together one hundred and two

938
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,639
hundred people, there was already a
community, there were already platforms like Evox,

939
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:35,719
Spreaker, monetization, dynamic advertising.
We are not in the present,

940
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,320
where all this has exploded and now
all God can get his podcast out in

941
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,559
a matter of minutes. But there
was already an ecosystem and Syrial arrived,

942
00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:46,679
revolutionized everything and we started to have
how you saw it. You already as

943
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:52,280
a podcast father, you said now
this already begins to take shape. Late,

944
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,679
it took a little while, but
at least I imagine going to that

945
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:59,639
old- timer pudcasting talk when it
had only been ten years, nine,

946
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,440
yes, yes, I' ve
already felt a little bit like saying how

947
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,239
fast Raferro has thrown nothing at us. Ten years. Yeah, yeah,

948
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,440
the old Glorias and still I know
one can still do that. Yeah,

949
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,360
there' s one if you'
ll allow me very brief substantiation in that

950
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,000
story we' ve made of the
Ge as you can. We could call

951
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,519
Loja any way you can. Blab
O of or such, but we can

952
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:22,360
' t forget. And you said
that Evox, because Evox really changed it

953
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:27,199
all eight nine forgives Juanita, nine, I don' t remember exactly,

954
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,079
but nine and there yes, there, so the problems are over, because

955
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:34,679
you were already going up, distributing, promoting, it was a whole in

956
00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:37,760
one and besides, visibility and everything
and just mobile and so on. Of

957
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,280
course, I believe that precisely all
this that I have spoken about is partly

958
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,079
thanks to you, because active.
Of course it is very soon, at

959
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:50,840
once with the podcasting days, with
the creation of communities with themselves, it

960
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,559
will be very close to the Community. Of course, I always say that

961
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:58,159
we knew him before Evox, because
he went to precisely the pop to see

962
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,519
what the Community demanded, what content
there was, how much to make the

963
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,880
product the most suitable to his target, which was radio and podcast. For

964
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,280
Evox it has always been radio and
podcast, not because the audio Kiosco prection,

965
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:15,440
but by podcast platform that audio yosk
nik Kiosco pón always wanted them to

966
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:19,840
put the. But to what we
were going from marketing. For me there

967
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,519
is a stretch there that I called
it in a few areas of a bit,

968
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:24,119
in fact, but hear each such
I call it the crossing in the

969
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:30,000
desert, because it was now yes, six, seven eight. Is this

970
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:32,519
getting stronger? This is gaining strength
and it was I who set the example

971
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:36,199
of the Linus desk of the year
of the de. If you know a

972
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:37,760
little bit about what we' re
giving this year, yes, this year

973
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,599
if it never comes, but then
it really turns out that I was in

974
00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:43,920
eight more places than we thought,
but neither did they pet it, and

975
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,679
the news went out. Well,
gentlemen, he' s already arrived on

976
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:49,320
the podcast. It' s already
massive, not until finally, that'

977
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,199
s why it' s a little
before and after sirial in general in the

978
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:55,880
media, it would be two thousand
three, every two thousand fourteen. Over

979
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,480
there, that' s the big
explosion. Yeah, yeah, two thousand

980
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:01,320
fourteen, yeah, that' s
out there, that' s it,

981
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,239
that' s it, that'
s it, and I admit I got

982
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,320
tired there. There, yes,
I threw the towel a little. I

983
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,320
stopped so I don' t remember
right now, but I think I stopped

984
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,639
publishing more or less irregularly, because
I never got along very well with the

985
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,360
periodicity in the 12th because I saw
that it was that I didn' t

986
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,280
end up working here. They didn' t end up saying, yes there

987
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,480
was production, yes there were independent
podcasts, there was a community, there

988
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:24,400
were days, but there was no
pasta. I mean, I know there

989
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,559
are people who can tell me umbrellas, but it' s just that you

990
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:30,119
take everything there to sell. If
this is all very well. But when

991
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,280
I started with the podcast, I
could start because I had a job that

992
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:37,920
covered me and it was beautifully paid
for that came to me by the blog

993
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,639
that I always said and allowed myself, in free time, to do the

994
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:44,360
podcast. When I ended up in
crisis in two thousand eight nine. There

995
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:49,159
was also a good screening of jobs
and telework and so on, because I

996
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,880
had to not leave the podcast,
but I did corner it for free time,

997
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,480
but because the first thing was the
job. When the free time becomes

998
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:59,280
less friendly family or so, then
the podcast becomes resentful and that is what

999
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,119
happened to many creators that there was
as a renewal. That' s why

1000
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:06,440
the old ones were some not for
nothing, but because we were tired or

1001
00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:09,119
tired, but we had believed a
little bit the witness to others that like

1002
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:13,159
always this the nice thing about the
j pod is that there were always people

1003
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:15,800
with illusions who started to come there
to the full. If they' re

1004
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,559
calling, I can' t what
it is I' m recording in few

1005
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:21,639
not if you want nothing to happen. Well, we' re back on

1006
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,880
the other side of the microphone.
Com Barra. Thank you very much,

1007
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,920
recording that that in the end,
well we stayed a little bit at Syrial

1008
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,440
' s. But well let us
go to that explosion, of small explosion,

1009
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:40,679
as detonation of how to say,
as notice not like those that I

1010
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:46,239
will say of the bells, the
suns lords, no, no, no,

1011
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:50,320
what is before the cameras, the
four of the bells, like the

1012
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,159
four before the room, of the
oscarse until the first bell was Syrian.

1013
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:57,199
But in Spain it is true that
we had what you said before we had

1014
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,880
we could compare a little with what
they were apart from the commercial part,

1015
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:07,400
but the part of the community is
not in production. Production in Spain and

1016
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:12,000
in Spanish began to be produced as
if it had not produced you, to

1017
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,239
be recorded and distributed podcast as if
there was no tomorrow. But I think

1018
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:19,199
it' s also always been said
that it connects that back with the culture

1019
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,039
that we had on radio. And, for example, in Mexico, I

1020
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:24,239
saw it in Mexico the first producer
Dixo this year, two thousand six or

1021
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:29,320
two thousand five, even two thousand
five, almost almost when the podcast began.

1022
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:32,880
Why, because there were already radio
people bouncing off or not or what

1023
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:36,239
it comes to say listen to the
radios. Now it' s done like

1024
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,440
this, oh what I' m
going and commercial, i e, production

1025
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:43,519
advertisers with fat advertisers, because they
were also very top radio people. They

1026
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:47,000
were the loops, but they knew
how to adapt better quickly from here in

1027
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:50,519
Spain, of course because they saw
it. They saw it fast because they

1028
00:57:50,519 --> 00:57:52,880
saw what people are doing, what
are they listening to? He is listening

1029
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,440
to the music they want no longer
listen to radio and how about, therefore,

1030
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:58,880
they will want or listen to other
things and right away. They started

1031
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,679
commercially and here what you said took
us a long time. Here what took

1032
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,360
us a long time is first to
start on the radios that were the ones

1033
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,599
that should have paved the way for
us earlier. You have to pull a

1034
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:08,920
little bit of your ears. Then
they did it from the fourteenth with serial

1035
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,280
and the agencies, the advertisers,
the media and so on, because they

1036
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,960
didn' t see if this one
has a thousand listeners that I make some

1037
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,159
podcasts and that we had. I' m telling you, I don'

1038
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:22,480
t even know what that is,
but then they told me that yes,

1039
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:22,920
that I had enough extras, for
example. Well, I' ve been

1040
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,000
done. I say it differently.
I' ve been kicked out of several

1041
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,559
lodging hosts. Then I had to
have something but they didn' t see

1042
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:32,880
it enough because they didn' t
see the grouping that I, for example,

1043
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:37,239
Now is precisely what I do to
help independent podcasters group and pack so

1044
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:42,159
that agencies and advertisers say ah Well, well in total good. The last

1045
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:47,199
one I' ve been doing is
twenty- one million people in total reached,

1046
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,880
not only from podcast, but I
mean it' s already a volume

1047
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,519
and above all it' s not
social networks, but they' re going

1048
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:55,519
to be people reached with content a
do, etcetera, etcetera. Yeah,

1049
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:59,760
yeah, that' s all taken
a long time, and it' s

1050
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:01,719
mostly because the stations took a long
time to get started. But he said

1051
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,920
it not if it was stick jobs. But I also give you the example

1052
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:08,320
of music in emmp three and so
on. It didn' t come from

1053
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:14,400
the record labels came from technology and
we all thought that Apple invented music and

1054
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:15,920
distribution and so on, but before
they were abstracting before, there were other

1055
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,360
things, that what they did was
what the stations weren' t doing,

1056
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:22,320
that is, the records, because
the stations happened a little bit. Same

1057
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,400
thing. In Spain there is a
before and after, and it has always

1058
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,079
been said and then it is in
the school of the wind rose wine,

1059
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:30,760
because they were forced, because their
listeners demanded a content that clearly was issued

1060
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:34,639
that we all have left. Once
upon a time I, in fact,

1061
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,639
once sought a job of vigilante so
that I could listen to radio at night

1062
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:39,400
ta. Yeah, yeah, but
of course that wasn' t human.

1063
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,360
In the three of the four mornings
if you were, because nurse nurse tasist,

1064
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,239
police fireman doctor, that is,
night jobs, but I don'

1065
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,480
t understand at that time what audience
I could have to keep issuing it.

1066
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:55,159
There has to be a lot of
audience to be the morning sound, because

1067
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,559
the ones we were also are just
measuring GM' s Medici companies and so

1068
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:02,880
on, and it' s also
like TV, that from certain hours on

1069
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,679
they are very greedy, because if
there are a hundred people and they'

1070
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:12,960
re eighty listening to your show,
that' s a barbarity, even if

1071
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:15,079
they' re only a hundred not
a hundred zero, that is, you

1072
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:16,960
have eighty percent of the cake of
those hours, because that I think was

1073
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:17,559
a little bit of what happened to
him too. I don' t know

1074
01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:22,239
the honors here, but I think
that' s where he' s going

1075
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,320
to say it in an interview recently
with Pedrerol with the chiringuito to the little

1076
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:30,320
ones is aired very late, but
all those who are very footballers, are

1077
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:34,239
there then is a clear, is
very greedy. And on radio what happened

1078
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,960
to them is that their own listeners
and we' ve all met Plo I

1079
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:39,679
called them Aplothers at the time,
but you say it' s not that

1080
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,400
I' m not Podcas I raise
such, but you have a few yes,

1081
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:45,880
but it' s not mine I
clear how you have a podcast that

1082
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:46,239
not yours to explain to me.
I know it' s not her and

1083
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:50,920
it' s that I upload the
program of the Rose above all it was

1084
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,719
that no and that I know if
I would dare to say that it is

1085
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:54,440
jta Jota the one of Radio pod
Castellano. I' m not saying I

1086
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:55,960
don' t know if it'
s yes, yes, but that didn

1087
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,800
' t mean to be true.
But yes. And besides, a greeting

1088
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,360
from the affection and I liked it
very much because it was reflected that reality,

1089
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:05,519
that is, ah not seen today
on the stations for the voucher already

1090
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:08,719
to earn money, popularity and such
not for other listeners to say ah valo.

1091
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,519
Thank you for bringing it up and
sharing it and making that community.

1092
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,000
And then the stations came in and
then they started betting on it, too.

1093
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,519
And that' s what allowed,
thanks again for what we said.

1094
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:22,679
Returning to the topic to serial that
there was that boom and that many media

1095
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:25,880
and many companies already said hear that
this yes, that has audience, that

1096
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:29,559
the podcast that they make has more
audience here on the radio. So,

1097
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,719
let' s see us too that
this goes down and this looks like it

1098
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:37,519
goes up. That said, yes, that' s why I don'

1099
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:42,320
t know if it was mac de
Granogers a few ah ago, it wasn

1100
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,199
' t a few days from Tenerife, Lanzarote, Gorkazumeta that made it one.

1101
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,119
That' s an obvious thing,
and I was thinking about that one,

1102
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,320
when they were gonna find each other, well, when they were gonna

1103
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:52,400
supplant the radio, the podcasts.
I don' t know if he said

1104
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,719
two thousand thirty- four or something, and I believe all the respect hangs.

1105
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,280
I think that before, because I
did it by going through data and

1106
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,960
I say it a little bit also
in intuition and so on or in a

1107
01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:04,360
little bit throwing myself in the pool
like that. But I think earlier because

1108
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,719
the trend doesn' t seem to
go down, but it follows. Nor

1109
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:09,559
is it true that the podcast is
growing at the same rate, but it

1110
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,440
does not go down, it does
not go down more or less, and

1111
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:17,920
the radio does see that it is
going down little by little but perhaps and

1112
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:20,599
more thought podcasts are more focused on
the audience. I' m not gonna

1113
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:23,719
say juvenile, but if you'
re young, be the dick and the

1114
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:25,679
kinky or something. I don'
t hear this kind of podcast, but

1115
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:29,159
they do help me hear this podcast
I can' t miss it. And

1116
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:30,920
the little mouth to mouth when late
I get to high school, for example,

1117
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:35,239
and be much more massive. Well, I' ve got another one

1118
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,239
that' s more massive than Jordi
Wilt' s, for example, Jorda

1119
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:42,880
Iwild. All young people and listen
to him and in the end many see

1120
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,559
him on YouTube, because it is
a natural medium. But when he brings

1121
01:02:45,639 --> 01:02:47,840
a guest, a little more adult, he himself says that what he hears

1122
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,599
most is in audio format, because
the audience is the audio format. Sure,

1123
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:52,880
sure, so I, in my
opinion, make a point that,

1124
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,840
unfortunately, many young people hear it
because maybe they think that' s a

1125
01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:00,079
way to do interviews and so on. I already judge myself here, I

1126
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:02,079
like it no, I like it
no, but I do it as a

1127
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:05,760
phenomenon and so on. But I
disagree a lot that way, because they

1128
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,840
' re interviewed. It' s
like putting on a wire and saying let

1129
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,079
go of your roll. Interviewing,
it' s asking, it' s

1130
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:13,039
getting this out whatever it is.
I think then a little, what we

1131
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,480
' re doing here is pulling if
the guest is going to correct you or

1132
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:17,760
if he' s telling you a
story as if I' m telling you

1133
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,840
no, I' m that the
year was affected a lot in his person,

1134
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,719
in his own podcast, that doesn' t interest anything, that is

1135
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,280
to say I' m at least
interested in the interviewee in an interviewer.

1136
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,199
But, well, that' s
why I' m saying that the bad

1137
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,159
thing is that they can think and
so, but good is like every model

1138
01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:37,920
and hey we' re also critical
citizens who say hey it' s as

1139
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:38,119
simple as hearing another way and other
ways to do interviews. Ah but if

1140
01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:42,079
there are different and there are interviewees
who let talk on interviewed and they don

1141
01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:45,280
' t talk all the time about
them, because that' s also doing

1142
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,239
podcasts. But everything' s fine. If it' s good for you

1143
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,679
to open up, to get what
we were saying and to find out that

1144
01:03:50,719 --> 01:03:53,639
there are people who can tell you
things, for example, podcasts made by

1145
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,960
women, by or for women.
If you always listen to podcast from you,

1146
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:00,480
I recognize that I have also been
part of that phenomenon talking about things

1147
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:05,079
about you uncle I say it without
any acrimoniousness or such I simply say things

1148
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:09,480
that do not come to you until
you find someone who tells you. Either

1149
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:12,000
by who' s telling you or
by the issues he' s dealing with.

1150
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:14,800
And it' s drone with what
we said before the kids, because

1151
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,039
there you say to this. Yeah, I' m interested, because he

1152
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:18,400
' s talking about things that I
can understand, and besides, maybe I

1153
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,599
' d like to talk about.
And, therefore, if you feel reflected,

1154
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,719
you probably want to do a podcast
too or want to get into it.

1155
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,840
That' s why it' s
super important and that' s why

1156
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,840
it' s branded. I believe
that the serial as a point and apart

1157
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,960
from the new wave and then the
serial in quotation marks, came a little

1158
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:39,360
to Spain with a podcast and its
great premiere. I don' t know

1159
01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:43,199
if you had you went to the
podium presentation. They didn' t invite

1160
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,039
me, no, don' t
go, not good to me they invited

1161
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:48,039
me. On bounce, I say, Without I mean, you won'

1162
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:54,079
t get the invitation, but it
caught my attention because I said now yes,

1163
01:04:54,199 --> 01:04:57,960
now yes, because it wasn'
t just any podcast, it was

1164
01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:01,960
the group Prisa and it was very
powerful and besides, it was a great

1165
01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:04,480
premiere with theater, with room,
with the sixths, the antifans, the

1166
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,280
antifaces. I threw it at him, and if I threw it at him,

1167
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,760
just at me. That' s
what I' d like to keep.

1168
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,679
But as part of the story,
more than the fact that if you

1169
01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:14,800
go, you won' t be
afraid. I' m not going that

1170
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:15,840
way. I' m going for
the part about that, that it was

1171
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,760
a very important moment, because what
several is for that, so that those

1172
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:24,840
who weren' t involved in this
come to make a series that can only

1173
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,159
be heard in audio and not broadcast
on radio. Then they broadcast it on

1174
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:31,000
radio, but they don' t
broadcast radio only for the Internet. Let

1175
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,280
' s just say yes. That' s in its origin and its first

1176
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,440
release and its big release is in
podcast format. Yeah, yeah. In

1177
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:42,639
addition, it marked very well the
line that is also to say that not

1178
01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:45,880
all podcasts have to be like this. Not all narrative podcasts have to be

1179
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,199
like this. Neither hobby podcast can
you really do it in other ways and

1180
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,800
in fact, they are also being
done in other ways. For example,

1181
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:57,119
a secret in Brittany that goes on
another line and we have Bloom on another

1182
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:01,079
line, or we have simulation another
line, i e each or Titania,

1183
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,800
which are all very valid podcasts,
but each I think little is seen the

1184
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,519
idea that I want to say that
not everything has to be that way.

1185
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:10,360
But what it did mean is to
say, if this bet on them,

1186
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:13,400
that here there is future, there
is business, there is such it is

1187
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,480
announced. We can do this.
See sound, for example, how good

1188
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:18,840
we will do if we do something
else that in the end they also threw

1189
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,119
away on the other hand, but
since they are podcasts, but it is

1190
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:28,199
another way as much of monetizing as
of producing as it is but it is

1191
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,159
on Spanish radio television, because what
could be done that a great medium could

1192
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:32,639
sit and I think that was the
big explosion and the great presentation. I,

1193
01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:36,000
when I went said I couldn'
t believe it when we' re

1194
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,880
in a podcast that this looks like
a true movie, that' s all

1195
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,039
purpose was made By the way,
I think it also to make it look

1196
01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:46,239
like the premiere of a movie totally
and also with actors, that the big

1197
01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:48,519
blackout was a bet yes, yes, yes, or the script, flawless

1198
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:53,039
script. And then all the spin
off that uboy from the TV show that,

1199
01:06:53,639 --> 01:06:56,000
in my opinion, lost the grace
that it' s called. I

1200
01:06:56,039 --> 01:07:00,400
guess because of his stuff he turned
off the big blackout and I don'

1201
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:01,639
t know what he meant was he
was based on such, but well,

1202
01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:03,159
it was for a little bit.
On the other hand, in parallel,

1203
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:08,079
it was not like home caming,
for example, if you have seen the

1204
01:07:08,159 --> 01:07:10,440
series that is so, it puts
podcast. Besides, I loved it,

1205
01:07:10,599 --> 01:07:13,119
in fact, I have some screen
done, but I also like what you

1206
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:17,000
do David picking up based on i
Hard podcast or I don' t know

1207
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:20,960
what it was about No the Wonder
and Forgive me th Wonder takes there is

1208
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:25,880
the second frame. Plus when the
show started. Not that. That'

1209
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,360
s the good thing and that'
s what has also brought us the fact

1210
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,800
that later there have been other initiatives
and other great fictional productions. And I

1211
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,719
don' t know everything if you' ve brought one is a clear industry,

1212
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:38,480
that' s it. That'
s because what we' re going

1213
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:40,360
with the awards are the agenda.
Well, then too, the awards,

1214
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:45,360
the probes that there was a category
that wasn' t radio format for distribution

1215
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,400
over the Internet. What do you
get off of a ta ta ta tatack

1216
01:07:47,679 --> 01:07:53,800
if not rcs podcast, that is
the word you were looking for is waves

1217
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:58,840
to the best podcast and then the
prizes to make a prize a vertical,

1218
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:00,559
which is prizes only for podcast.
Of all that is what you do of

1219
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,360
innavigating the industry and well, where
we are, where I was going to

1220
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:08,320
tell you that we have passed a
little bit of is that this was not

1221
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,639
present as such. But well it
was necessary to differentiate between that birth of

1222
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,119
the podcast by two thousand four so
far, by two thousand. I wanted

1223
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:17,319
to make a small stop in the
two thousand twenty because of course, in

1224
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:19,600
two thousand fourteen it was Syrian.
Two thousand sixteen, yes, Odium,

1225
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:25,279
two thousand twenty, the pandemic,
the great explosion do not lock themselves in

1226
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:28,199
at home and people, although I
believe that here, in Spain had already

1227
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:30,720
exploded a little bit in two thousand
eighteen, two thousand nineteen, I remember

1228
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,800
the podcast days. Actually Google came
in, got to Spotify. Yeah,

1229
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:38,560
yeah, yeah. The arrival of
Spotify was also changed everything and the bet

1230
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,359
of Spotify, as it no longer
only for its own contents, but to

1231
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,800
accommodate with that purchase of ancor,
for hosting major podcast. I think you

1232
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,239
' ve seen that. The world' s largest accommodation platform says accommodation.

1233
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:55,760
If a couple of months ago I
did an episode to a studio and they

1234
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,920
said yes, even in already,
not in accommodation, but in distribution.

1235
01:08:59,039 --> 01:09:01,359
I' d already outdone the podcast. Of course it was a matter of

1236
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:05,239
time, but in safe accommodations,
if I don' t care so easily

1237
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:09,479
and what you said it' s
always true that it' s easier to

1238
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:14,479
fix the. We went from the
big blackout to the big explosion, let

1239
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:15,840
' s say the twenty, but
it' s true that the eighteen and

1240
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,880
the cynic were already cooking. It
was coming on a slow fire, the

1241
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,600
bubble was already going on, but
the twenty. Thank you, thank you,

1242
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:26,960
Blessed Pandemia, discovered many people who
really liked to listen to podcasts and

1243
01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:30,199
that there were many podcasts to listen
to and lots of people. In fact,

1244
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:34,880
I think it has its own category
are post- pandemic podcast podcasts or

1245
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:39,760
pandemics, because they started there and
they have followed and some of them are

1246
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,800
there in the top positions. Not
much has fallen, but I think that

1247
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:46,680
stoppage in the pandemic forced many people
who already had the runbom to make a

1248
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:51,920
podcast for that. Now that we
have free time, or do on a

1249
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,279
clear podcast and give free rein to
projects you say. This may have neither

1250
01:09:55,279 --> 01:09:58,359
feet nor heads, but it has
no vision of being commercial or making money.

1251
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,439
But what I' m gonna make
pastries all day that I' m

1252
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,239
sick of watching Netflix series, we' re gonna do a podcast, or

1253
01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:05,920
I' m gonna think about it, I' m gonna call people to

1254
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,399
see if we do it on the
recording, the importance of remote recording that

1255
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:12,039
you say men and that already had, that' s it. It'

1256
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:15,000
s not the same, because it
will always be as it was, as

1257
01:10:15,079 --> 01:10:15,680
the last resort if you can'
t see yourself in person what. That

1258
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:19,119
' s all changed and since we
didn' t have another one left,

1259
01:10:19,279 --> 01:10:24,960
we had to get the most out
of it quality, riverside of the string

1260
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:29,319
yard and all of these had to
put the batteries you and others to make

1261
01:10:29,399 --> 01:10:30,920
this sound as good as possible and
that you can record podcast and not just

1262
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:31,960
podcast. Look what happens is that
we live it clear that clear the remote

1263
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,640
exactly that we were planting semillitas,
we started to see green balls and that

1264
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,880
' s when everything exploded. But
there was Podcast, there was Twitch,

1265
01:10:41,119 --> 01:10:42,479
there was, yeah, yeah,
yeah? Yeah? There was, but

1266
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,760
we really did very well for that
big thing. Not good. He'

1267
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,880
s forgotten you. You remember something
called clap souse. It happens that claw

1268
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,039
house was the same as the peak
of his life, that he was going

1269
01:10:51,039 --> 01:10:54,960
down. That' s a bubble, because recently I was asked and wu

1270
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,960
you think of the bubble of the
porce. Don' t have it,

1271
01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:59,560
or I have it for you,
because if you don' t mind,

1272
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:01,640
I know it or it burns in
your tongue. No bubble was Claphouse.

1273
01:11:02,399 --> 01:11:05,880
Why, because basically it required all
the attention, because it was live,

1274
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:12,119
live broadcast and that was his grace. It' s also true what happened

1275
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:15,079
when we started and had to go
out the next day, go to school

1276
01:11:15,319 --> 01:11:17,880
or, to work or whatever,
and I remember being in theaters until ten,

1277
01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:20,960
eleven, twelve at night, a
thousand people there talking super interesting,

1278
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:26,119
but you were the same thing with
an actor, with a presenter, that

1279
01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:29,119
is, it was like everything,
very random the people that were there,

1280
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,920
super interesting, but that was life. It didn' t give me so

1281
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:36,319
I could be every day, two
hours live and I also tried good and

1282
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:40,079
we rode from the first in podimo, we set up one of the first

1283
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,840
rooms, also of what we call
podimo Toks, and then there are the

1284
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:45,920
Spottocks, which was another in his
case. So, Tox, I know

1285
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,000
Toks, it sounded good to us, it doesn' t sound bad,

1286
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:53,640
but what I was going to keep
that live for people later. But that

1287
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:57,239
was why, because that took a
lot of time, much more similar,

1288
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,960
that is, it' s all
digital, but it' s much more.

1289
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,439
If looking at the radio requires you
to be live, it requires you

1290
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,880
to be connected, that if you
don' t listen to it, you

1291
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:08,359
miss it. And precisely what we
have advanced in podcast is you can listen

1292
01:12:08,359 --> 01:12:10,159
to it whenever you want, wherever
you want. And now you' re

1293
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:13,720
forcing me back until you say no
to that, no, that' s

1294
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,920
it. That' s right.
It was bubble for a number of circumstances,

1295
01:12:15,079 --> 01:12:18,159
not because it was either premeditated,
nor is it that they took advantage

1296
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:19,600
of the moment and that' s
it, but the podcast one. Twenty

1297
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:24,640
years Witch isn' t going to
bubble me. It' s too slow

1298
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,079
to be bur If it' s
true here, it' s very likely

1299
01:12:27,119 --> 01:12:28,239
that ta little will fall at once. No. No, no, no,

1300
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,359
little by little going down if it
has to go down or as it

1301
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,119
will probably continue to happen, it' s growing. Little by little?

1302
01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:36,239
Little by little, but it follows
not the levels you said of twenty.

1303
01:12:36,279 --> 01:12:38,920
Besides, there' s a chart, there' s a very end.

1304
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:42,279
I was going to tell you he' s already put it in some sixty

1305
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,439
- three audio gene presentation too,
if I' m not mistaken, where

1306
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:46,199
it' s perfectly done with the
notes lyson data. They have done it

1307
01:12:46,319 --> 01:12:49,359
and it looks perfectly like what we
are talking about, because I think that

1308
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:54,439
in the wake of the two thousand
twenty, where many people began their podcasts,

1309
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,640
of course over the months, they
began to make their podcasts and little

1310
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,199
by little to that great communities.
But in the two thousand, two thousand

1311
01:13:00,199 --> 01:13:03,479
twenty, two thousand twenty- one, two thousand twenty- two saw what

1312
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:08,039
really requires a podcast. That and
the return that has that is you start

1313
01:13:08,079 --> 01:13:11,279
to see, you start to see
something a year, a year and a

1314
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,079
half two years if you really want
to form something more or less serious and

1315
01:13:15,159 --> 01:13:17,039
that still doesn' t mean that
more or less serious. Talk to me

1316
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:24,159
about economic return. Well, from
just audiences, because it takes time to

1317
01:13:24,199 --> 01:13:27,199
spread and the podcast is slow,
you have to recognize it and I like

1318
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:29,199
to go that they are large numbers. It' s not good, no,

1319
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,079
but you can see that it'
s not you and the friends you

1320
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:35,239
already see that there' s someone
else on the other side of the microphone

1321
01:13:35,359 --> 01:13:36,239
and that he listens and that he
goes on and on. But what you

1322
01:13:36,279 --> 01:13:40,479
' ve said, that doesn'
t stand alone, or you have to

1323
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,479
feed it then when you come waiting
for a quick return, like that if

1324
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:45,359
you crypto coins, that if the
goal to verse you' re going to

1325
01:13:45,399 --> 01:13:48,239
pass a podcast that is ta or
the Twith, of course, and now

1326
01:13:48,279 --> 01:13:49,920
the podcast what happens. If this
I have to do more work here.

1327
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,680
And on the other side and a
lot of people told you, I talked

1328
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:57,199
to people who wanted to take them
to Podimon for a moment and they were

1329
01:13:57,319 --> 01:13:58,960
telling me that what you' re
telling me. But if I win that

1330
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,680
with a g mention and I make
a 30- second rill and here I

1331
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,560
have to be preparing all this funnel
makes up for me, I don'

1332
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,800
t rent. I have also given
up that there are many people with what

1333
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:12,079
you are looking for is not economic
gain, but position. And the podcast,

1334
01:14:12,319 --> 01:14:15,600
the two video poces in the audio, it' s not an exhibition,

1335
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:16,960
it' s more an exhibition of
your ideas, your values. Your

1336
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,359
way is america, yes, yes, I liked it, I always said,

1337
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,000
but I tell myself I can be
doing podcasts and a lot of people

1338
01:14:23,079 --> 01:14:26,960
know me very little, but can
because of the calí no one can see

1339
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,159
that done yes as long as you
don' t talk or not like it,

1340
01:14:30,359 --> 01:14:32,600
because that is not and that is
precisely what others don' t expose.

1341
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,960
So, that' s why it' s a combination of things they

1342
01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:41,600
do, that you need to bet
a little bit more on you' re

1343
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:42,920
also less likely to succeed to be
there and so on. But I also

1344
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,039
have an interesting fact that I have
seen recently and that I find super super

1345
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:48,359
good for this subject. There are
four million podcasts. Three million. I

1346
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:53,520
don' t know what every seven
hundred zero in Spanish and how good it

1347
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,640
is, but how many are active. Of course then, as they have

1348
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,079
dedicated themselves to researching those who are
active, it turns out that there is

1349
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:00,279
a lot of rotation, because perhaps
they are positive. Twenty percent of certain

1350
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:04,880
categories, especially those of conversation,
are easier to produce. And such a

1351
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,439
good thing, because they were falling
behind. So, if it' s

1352
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,920
me, me, myself, all
this invented already, if it' s

1353
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,479
done everything, there' s podcast
of everything, but they' re gonna

1354
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,159
do it the way you' re
gonna do it. I' m talking

1355
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:15,960
about everything you' re thinking about
doing a podcast. No, well,

1356
01:15:16,119 --> 01:15:20,079
yes, there is room, but
you have to heal it, you have

1357
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:23,000
to spend time with it and,
above all, in the end there are

1358
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,720
all of them. To me I
have already published several things about how to

1359
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,079
make your podcast have that t how
to do what. Such is an infallible

1360
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:32,239
trick, very good content, but
very very good content and already there is,

1361
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,560
that is, very good content.
And then everything else, patience,

1362
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:40,279
periodicity and such, but very good
content. And that takes time to prepare

1363
01:15:41,079 --> 01:15:45,079
and for that content to arrive And
patience is that it is patience that we

1364
01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:47,520
are going to tell ourselves truth that
I will tell you that of course,

1365
01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:50,760
it is a thousand chapters and my
audience believes that good. In yesterday'

1366
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:55,520
s chapter, when you' re
listening to this, I' ve given

1367
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,079
you all the podcast data. It' s a short audience for what'

1368
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:00,159
s moving around. But she'
s very faithful. But it' s

1369
01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:06,600
also quite a fact that not a
few who like to make podcasts and discover

1370
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,199
new podcasts every week. That'
s too much to look for. But

1371
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:15,239
as also fidelity and terrain. But
I imagine your rate of such will be

1372
01:16:15,279 --> 01:16:16,319
high, because people will hear it
from the beginning. Finally, why because

1373
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:21,600
you go looking for that shorty are
garo at last good that we have not

1374
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:26,359
come here to speak this podcast,
but of podcasting in general, when at

1375
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:30,439
last it has exploded, when we
already have this good bubble, do not

1376
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:34,880
forgive this explosion and then decompression.
I like the word taken. I do,

1377
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:40,600
the podcast is a cooked, yes, totally rich, a geographical denomination

1378
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:45,600
that you want to make or that, besides, even if there was a

1379
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:51,439
bubble and it exploded, what would
really remain below is those that we were

1380
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:55,319
already before. Even more people who
have come thanks to that bubble have stayed

1381
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:59,079
and seen the big advantages, because
how many people there are that have come

1382
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,359
for business issues or marketing issues that
have seen The potential of shit is that

1383
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:08,239
the cold toation that I do in
podcast is that they go a lot deeper,

1384
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,720
is that I talk about my brand
or I talk about this and it

1385
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:13,680
gets a lot more into the audience. It' s just that marketing people

1386
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,800
know it and they' ve known
it profitably. That is for me the

1387
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:19,079
main difference and the most important thing
that had what we said before Seriel and

1388
01:17:19,159 --> 01:17:23,760
so on, and the arrival of
Podcast and other players and platforms that have

1389
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:28,239
already internalized all that and, above
all, the data are backing it so

1390
01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:30,640
that they, of course, no
one wants to risk it, that is,

1391
01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:32,640
already do this, but I don' t know what results it will

1392
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,239
have. Not now, that'
s it. We already have results from

1393
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:40,600
outside and from the Spanish podcast market
in Spanish and they also coincide with many

1394
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:44,439
countries. Retention is very high.
Maybe fewer people arrive than the big numbers

1395
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:48,840
they give you, but then the
conversion of the CTRs Then, of course,

1396
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,359
I always put the examples of wedges
in Spotify and elsewhere. You'

1397
01:17:53,399 --> 01:17:55,640
ve been heard a hundred zero.
Listeners, there are four of us.

1398
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,880
Sure. Sure, it' s
different than podcast. I mean Spotify,

1399
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:01,800
Spotify because something that makes you a
musician, puts it like radio wedges.

1400
01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:04,680
Let' s say. But when
in a podcast you listen, if they

1401
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:09,399
recommend something, the announcer arrives and
that he is telling you, not only

1402
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,239
a wedge, but that he is
telling you, he arrives in a way

1403
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:15,119
much more, much more directed,
much more tarjetized and usually has more than

1404
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,239
are normal you say. The Jan
marks have already assumed it, they have

1405
01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:24,439
already put it within their strategies,
within now. We can already say that

1406
01:18:25,079 --> 01:18:28,680
it is not a big industry like
the car, much less, but if

1407
01:18:29,319 --> 01:18:32,520
it is a means of communication to
be taken into account and has a lot

1408
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,039
of potential for me to leave.
All the indicators in the other markets say

1409
01:18:35,079 --> 01:18:38,560
that you keep going up and that
it keeps growing. So, the normal

1410
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,439
thing is here too that yes,
that' s true, that there was

1411
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,239
a beak, not a buruja,
but a beak. But as in everyone,

1412
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:45,880
in Twitch, in streaming consumption,
in video games, in everything,

1413
01:18:46,119 --> 01:18:49,039
and that has now happened to them
the filament, that is, the sale

1414
01:18:49,039 --> 01:18:55,399
of such good peaks from many industries. But then we have to keep it

1415
01:18:55,399 --> 01:18:59,640
clear. But they told you the
technology that is happening now, after the

1416
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,880
peak of the pandemic, many have
had to reorganize templates and methods and so

1417
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:06,840
on podcast also yes, yes,
the case of Sonora, for example,

1418
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:11,439
that cool a peak does not look
at me, since you said of Sonora

1419
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:15,359
look I put you there I am
also in the next number of the news

1420
01:19:15,399 --> 01:19:23,279
letter, communicating audio that can subscribe
sound versus sound And that yes sound Honor

1421
01:19:24,039 --> 01:19:27,159
is one of them, they say, one of the largest communities or networks

1422
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,960
of podcasts in the world that have
been for I do not know the years,

1423
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:34,680
that they have been, for many
years and they have a hundred podcast,

1424
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:35,319
one hundred not a thousand nor a
million hundred community. Super faithful subscription

1425
01:19:35,399 --> 01:19:40,640
model well known speakers in Mexico,
because they are also quite crazy the contents,

1426
01:19:41,039 --> 01:19:44,680
but they are very porta there They
have some that are masterpieces of podcast,

1427
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,399
because I also remember in podimo that
we had some also in an exclusive

1428
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,560
or eleven agreements with them. That
is a model and there is the sound

1429
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,720
model that in a year and peak, from the beginning until it disappeared,

1430
01:19:54,800 --> 01:20:00,720
produced ninety podcasts. They went out
with fifty productions, said by them of

1431
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,239
one hundred zero euros, by episode
and things like that. They' re

1432
01:20:03,319 --> 01:20:08,680
two different models. One was scalable
based on well- known people, the

1433
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:13,279
other was therefore film actors who made
films. They didn' t make movies,

1434
01:20:13,399 --> 01:20:16,239
sound, of course in podcast I
don' t mean it so it

1435
01:20:16,319 --> 01:20:19,680
doesn' t mean that something is
total they weren' t not were you

1436
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,600
were of joy already it seemed that
that wasn' t cough was another documentary

1437
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,039
thing, that' s not all
phenomenal. But there was base behind it,

1438
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,720
backing up all that stuff, that
because of course, there has to

1439
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,640
be a community behind it, and
community not only are people who are together

1440
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,359
in one place, but you hook
up how that costs and above all,

1441
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:41,560
you have to have a little bit
more of not spending everything on production for

1442
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,560
the best, but also on promotion. That is to say, they are

1443
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,239
two opposing models that I only differentiate
one letter from them, but I think

1444
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:48,319
it works very well for me,
because I saw it the other day in

1445
01:20:48,359 --> 01:20:51,520
audio gene in the case of Sonoro, which I recommend that before we have

1446
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:56,840
also said the news letter audio people
three by three, and I find it

1447
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:58,520
very good to contrast models. What
we' re saying now is not that

1448
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,520
podcast production has gone down twenty percent, that that' s another very interesting

1449
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,399
study too, of course, but
that doesn' t mean that the market

1450
01:21:03,399 --> 01:21:08,039
has gone down twenty percent. It
means that there is a producer, that

1451
01:21:08,079 --> 01:21:11,079
producer platform and others that has fallen
because, because the costs it would have

1452
01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:15,079
of but I don' t know
but I say the probable costs of production,

1453
01:21:15,279 --> 01:21:17,840
see its users payments and so on, because it was not profitable and

1454
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,000
someone pulled the plug. But the
market is going to continue and, of

1455
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,079
course, it is going to move
on at best, not at those rates,

1456
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,159
but it continues to grow, there
are still productions and we are seeing

1457
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:28,800
it well. Every time there are
events, contests and so on. You

1458
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,760
see the quality of the productions that
there are and that is more, and

1459
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:35,479
the number that there are events every
month, not every week. I seem

1460
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:39,640
to review the agenda, the PODCASTERA
agenda, and they don' t know

1461
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,039
it. Subscribe to the Podcaster Agenda
in its artists come out, then off

1462
01:21:43,039 --> 01:21:45,760
live. I' m telling you
a correction we have to make on that

1463
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:46,079
agenda, but I think it'
s already done. But, yes,

1464
01:21:46,319 --> 01:21:48,640
well, this looks good already for
September, because already in June July I

1465
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:55,479
will not, but well when the
ones of Chile and Argentina have announced there

1466
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,960
is not know if they were super
famous podcas and I see that they have

1467
01:21:59,079 --> 01:22:00,039
exhausted the tickets of this month of
coming hear what happens to me that I

1468
01:22:00,039 --> 01:22:03,279
am going to well, that is
another forgive me than once when you happen

1469
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,159
to say today. But if not, I see it in people already are

1470
01:22:05,159 --> 01:22:08,439
among the drops. It is that
when I have gone to discharge, I

1471
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:12,399
have the doubt that I do discharge
it with the exhausted tickets that it gives

1472
01:22:12,399 --> 01:22:14,640
me anger when it happens to you
with a concert, a festival, my

1473
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,840
theory, my politics, I do
not know how you see it will have

1474
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,439
been public, it is that yes, so that it is recorded that it

1475
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:25,359
has been done, although no longer, but and if I can put it,

1476
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,000
I already listen to tickets exhausted,
but there it remains to be seen

1477
01:22:29,039 --> 01:22:31,159
the volume of events that there is
as a clear historical also and now that

1478
01:22:31,159 --> 01:22:33,600
it can be studied and that,
moreover, that it is there, that

1479
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,079
it is a unical kalendar, I
do not know that you can download and

1480
01:22:36,079 --> 01:22:38,039
do what you want to be.
Yes, yes, so you have also

1481
01:22:38,079 --> 01:22:41,039
noticed that it is also increasing not
only in Madrid, not Spain mother,

1482
01:22:41,399 --> 01:22:45,239
which is usually Madrid, but is
already quite geographical. It is the one

1483
01:22:45,239 --> 01:22:48,520
that already there events in many asturia
cities that we talked about before, indeed

1484
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,560
Barcelona, Barcelona is growing. In
Valencia, Valencia has also been a frenetic

1485
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:56,399
activity for a few months. Tonight, I think it' s canceled.

1486
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:58,720
By the way, good. Of
course, I don' t know when

1487
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,119
you listen to the expensive podcast.
But when that today has been cancelled an

1488
01:23:01,159 --> 01:23:05,119
event because there were mobilizations in Argentina, in the universities and so on,

1489
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:10,039
then they havecancelado, they have postponed
the presentation and so on, that is,

1490
01:23:10,039 --> 01:23:12,439
there is movement. There' s
movement. I saw it in a

1491
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:16,239
presentation that Augustine Sword, I think
he published it and Pablo Fiche were all

1492
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:19,640
there in the world. It'
s canceled. That is why they have

1493
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:24,199
good, because there are mobilizations and
they also want to support the struggle of

1494
01:23:24,199 --> 01:23:25,920
the universities. It' s a
long way from here. It makes them

1495
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,840
there notice I see in Spain or
done, in lack I, especially in

1496
01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:30,399
the South I don' t know
why. In the South I don'

1497
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,600
t see much live podcast movement,
podcast events and that in the North I

1498
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,920
see more, because I know that
said yes, you will have to pull

1499
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:41,000
your ears. Or that I don' t find out because I also always

1500
01:23:41,119 --> 01:23:44,039
say that this isn' t all
there is to you good, but that

1501
01:23:44,119 --> 01:23:46,840
it happens to me that I have
meditated exactly already procurato, yes, yes,

1502
01:23:47,159 --> 01:23:48,479
already since but that maybe we haven' t found out. But it

1503
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,520
' s hard because we' re
trying. Truth is the one that comes

1504
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:55,640
out first to find out what the
topic is and then to put it on

1505
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,279
the agenda. And such a no, but you' re right it'

1506
01:23:58,399 --> 01:24:00,039
s true that you can see now
that it' s gone as the axis

1507
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:08,520
to lift. In other words,
Valencia, specifically Barcelona and Asturias, Euska

1508
01:24:09,079 --> 01:24:13,439
always has something from time to time
Galicia, Galicia, recently there has also

1509
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,000
been. But well, if you' re listening to this, of course,

1510
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,479
then send summons to those who organize
things of this kind. Or you

1511
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:25,079
find out so we can find them
in people, too. It is that

1512
01:24:25,279 --> 01:24:30,039
before notice, in two thousand twelve, two thousand fourteen there was the association

1513
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:33,479
PODCAST that moved much in the Andalusian
environment. There were the Japans, the

1514
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:38,800
podcasting days. Málaga also made without
the equipujo, at least one no,

1515
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:43,920
but not j pod, but bad
poz. Oh no, it' s

1516
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:49,560
not true, you say poz was
that there was a Malaga association of pocess

1517
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,479
I' m going so sure there' s movement. What happens is that

1518
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:56,760
well, there are also these associates
times then maybe, maybe. In summer

1519
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:00,000
he also moves more into things.
We' ll see there we' ll

1520
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:02,319
follow you well and now we'
ll talk a little bit about the future

1521
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,720
that we' ve touched on a
little bit of the issues, but I

1522
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:10,039
wanted to ask you. I'
m gonna split it into two and see

1523
01:25:10,039 --> 01:25:12,359
how you see it. I'
ll go first to the most. I

1524
01:25:12,399 --> 01:25:15,479
think it' s going to be
the most beneficial in quotation marks for our

1525
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:19,159
future. YouTube and the impact of
YouTube on podcasting, which, although Google

1526
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:23,600
has mistreated the podcast a lot,
especially with Google Podcast and Google read and

1527
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,439
I' m talking about 14 years
ago that attempt that had and I'

1528
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,920
m telling you Golvis Barner good and
fie Van you' re also signing it

1529
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:32,199
and in the end it hasn'
t closed. Not so they did one

1530
01:25:32,239 --> 01:25:34,479
more remodeling. He' s gonna
try to know what I think he'

1531
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:40,800
s done. Google ignored nothing,
either because they had the technology, they

1532
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,800
had the media and so and to
Google no given Fied Barnl you have the

1533
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,520
best, you have millions such that
I will do nothing. I' m

1534
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,079
not doing anything. I' m
gonna leave it there just like that and

1535
01:25:49,079 --> 01:25:50,760
they do. I don' t
know a year, I don' t

1536
01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:55,119
know when you hear that we'
re going to update, update as much

1537
01:25:55,359 --> 01:25:59,880
as you want, that that feed
no longer validates or the last clear that

1538
01:26:00,199 --> 01:26:01,520
the specifications are ten years old and
if they still don' t validate the

1539
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:02,880
day that someone remembers today so hor
on. Ah pay it and so we

1540
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:09,000
' ll say this a feedbackner channel
as happened to that of x' s

1541
01:26:09,079 --> 01:26:10,680
on Twitter or a shame, that
is googles. It' s true that

1542
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,279
it makes me very angry because Google
Podcast good and first Google technology read that

1543
01:26:14,359 --> 01:26:16,319
it was good. They had this
transcript and if I had a generation of

1544
01:26:16,359 --> 01:26:19,600
voice, when I didn' t
have it with anyone and I didn'

1545
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:20,520
t take advantage of it at all
Google Reader and Google Reader good. That

1546
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,399
one really hurt, too. Yeah
yeah, that one still doesn' t

1547
01:26:24,399 --> 01:26:27,279
get me back good and not Reader' s there, but that one cost

1548
01:26:27,279 --> 01:26:30,079
me more. But Google Podcast,
I mean, you took so long.

1549
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,680
The play was very sober. Everything
was sober, but it was great because

1550
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:38,399
it was cross- platform and I
was clear, you saw me when they

1551
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,760
asked me and you didn' t
where you kept the podcasts for it'

1552
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,960
s a little bit of work,
to explore, my personal ones or the

1553
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:46,079
cistern like the podcast. I'
m sure, because sometimes I' m

1554
01:26:46,079 --> 01:26:48,800
on the computer. They' re
all here. That' s another one,

1555
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:53,760
on the mobile phone, on a
web page, on the app where

1556
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,119
I was caught, I kept it
there I would give him to subscribe and

1557
01:26:57,199 --> 01:27:00,520
then, because he already knew or
subscribed to me or he wouldn' t

1558
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,880
listen to it and all the sites
were synchronized and nothing more I knew where

1559
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,439
I was going on the loudspeakers also
clear where it was. Well, now

1560
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:06,800
we' re gonna load it up
and we' re gonna integrate it with

1561
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,680
YouTube, but we' re gonna
do it so you don' t know

1562
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:13,119
where it is. And then,
regarding YouTube, which was the question you

1563
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:17,479
were asking me, I have hope. I very much appreciate the efforts he

1564
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:24,119
is making, especially the Spanish and
Spanish teams, to inform podcasters. But

1565
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:26,239
if I still don' t see
it between us, I' m not

1566
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:30,600
done. I see myself is that
when on YouTube Music as a podcast platform,

1567
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,720
I already see it as several barriers, because I speak more of YouTube,

1568
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:38,800
classic YouTube video than, but as
creator, you have to go through

1569
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,600
YouTube mus so that it is,
because if you are not then as a

1570
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,920
lister, then you have to pass
another hosting to end up on YouTube and

1571
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:47,720
you can' t have public that
that is one of the things that I

1572
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,520
like the least about YouTube and I
say it here, I say it publicly

1573
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:55,760
inserted in the fied. Of course, of course he' s got his

1574
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:59,079
sigh, but why not good or
what you' re gonna put them not

1575
01:27:59,079 --> 01:28:01,359
scratching. Of course you' re
going to put as much as you want

1576
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,560
in the videos that I make and
in the earrings and so on, but

1577
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,079
I the one that I already have
and that cost me that it' s

1578
01:28:06,079 --> 01:28:08,720
my sponsor that support me, I
can' t put it on. I

1579
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,239
don' t end up telling you
that I don' t care, because

1580
01:28:11,239 --> 01:28:14,039
in the podcasts I do, I
do it more for experimenting and for taking

1581
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:15,239
away the monkey from telling things.
But it doesn' t seem fair to

1582
01:28:15,319 --> 01:28:16,960
me, I don' t think
it' s right. Leave me my

1583
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:21,640
publi inte likes the content if it' s dynamic. That if it is,

1584
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,640
then it is not necessary, because
as the feed will go the other

1585
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,760
way, such, but if it
is giving it to me, the server

1586
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,439
is giving it to me, Leave
my publish where it is and you add

1587
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:31,600
whatever you want, but do not
take me away. I think so.

1588
01:28:32,279 --> 01:28:34,760
I think it will be checked,
because it doesn' t have, it

1589
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:40,000
doesn' t have much. Or
the solution they propose generates another more clear

1590
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:44,039
one, of course, we have
nothing else to do but generate a feed

1591
01:28:44,039 --> 01:28:46,880
for each platform that in the end
is what they sometimes want to see.

1592
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:54,880
YouTube is a phenomenal exhibition platform,
showing, of course, video. Logically,

1593
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,000
I' ve always seen it less
audio, because it' s not

1594
01:28:59,079 --> 01:29:00,640
intended for it. Although you can
say hack and you can hack in the

1595
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:03,239
sense of hiding that if the screen, which is on the mobile, that

1596
01:29:03,279 --> 01:29:08,239
if the app, how about,
but not end I do not end up

1597
01:29:08,359 --> 01:29:12,760
feeling comfortable. Listening to podcast on
YouTube, I recognized what to find and

1598
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:14,760
the discovery. That' s another
one that I recently said to myself,

1599
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,119
I said because I don' t
have it, it' s not communicating

1600
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:19,840
on YouTube to see if I put
it on and so they said no,

1601
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,960
but if it' s me but
it' s kind of and they send

1602
01:29:24,039 --> 01:29:24,319
me the link is that I didn' t find it my own podcast.

1603
01:29:24,399 --> 01:29:27,640
I mean, I thought if I
didn' t find my own podcast,

1604
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,319
because that' s what I say
first, how they found it and second,

1605
01:29:31,039 --> 01:29:32,760
if I don' t find my
own podcast, how I' m

1606
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:33,760
going to find it to other people. And of course and that' s

1607
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,479
why I understand that I don'
t find others and then they are.

1608
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,119
Okay. I don' t know
if we have to give it time,

1609
01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:43,199
because I' m telling you,
maybe times with Google are different. In

1610
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:48,199
Sons is another measurement another scale.
But I don' t finish seeing it

1611
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:50,279
as a hosting platform, posing,
I mean, I don' t see

1612
01:29:50,319 --> 01:29:53,079
it as a substitute, which is
something that went from Google Podcast. No,

1613
01:29:53,119 --> 01:29:55,479
no, no, I don'
t see you get rid of me,

1614
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,159
you don' t have to develop
a Google Podcast and focus on what

1615
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:01,760
works for them, which is the
video and Mr Bist and Jorda the same

1616
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,560
and other and perfect. But I
don' t finish seeing it for the

1617
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:10,079
standalone podcast platform, I mean,
it' s one more window, I

1618
01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:13,840
mean, it' s a video
window where we sneak in through a slit.

1619
01:30:14,079 --> 01:30:15,520
That' s how I see it, that' s how I see

1620
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:19,720
it. The positive part, of
course, is that tomorrow, when I

1621
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:25,000
leave yesterday for you, when the
statistical episode comes out, in these latest

1622
01:30:25,039 --> 01:30:28,199
statistics, I have implemented all the
results of YouTube. And that' s

1623
01:30:28,279 --> 01:30:32,199
the big positive part that I see
from Google Podcast, but people didn'

1624
01:30:32,399 --> 01:30:39,199
t exploit it, that I had
the Google Podcast Manager, that you could

1625
01:30:39,279 --> 01:30:43,079
see how people found you through Google. Now we can see it through YouTube

1626
01:30:43,119 --> 01:30:46,039
and YouTube, if people find us
a lot more, that' s how

1627
01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:49,800
many views this podcast has won through
YouTube. It' s come on.

1628
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:56,279
I think even more than Spotify Pple
Podcast, people are discovering me a lot

1629
01:30:56,359 --> 01:30:59,119
more. Of course, also because
my podcast, being daily, on so

1630
01:30:59,239 --> 01:31:03,640
many topics, of course you go
as accumulating words, keys, themes and

1631
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:09,279
people and, in my case,
in other cases, at the best of

1632
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,600
podcasts, talk about other things.
It' s not but I do like

1633
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,600
as a podcast creator, the fact, even as a podcast producer, because

1634
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,920
you can see the statistics for each
of your podcast channels. And that'

1635
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:23,039
s super good, because you'
re analyzing. Of course it is what

1636
01:31:23,159 --> 01:31:29,399
Google offers us, what it is
called Google Search, tap manager or this

1637
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:32,880
one of the visits, the web
pages the analytics of Google, clearly adapted

1638
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:36,359
to multimedia content. You' re
right that part had slipped out. That

1639
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:39,439
' s it, that' s
it. That' s what I also

1640
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:43,640
liked about what you said about Google
Podcast Manager. I showed you what you

1641
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,319
found. What happens is that of
course I had to find you someone looking

1642
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:48,560
on Google and then, besides,
give him the play on your podcast.

1643
01:31:49,239 --> 01:31:53,960
That happened on YouTube and has it
a lot easier. That' s then

1644
01:31:54,399 --> 01:31:58,640
if this same thing about YouTube analytics
was adapted by other platforms that are doing

1645
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,279
it but at its own pace,
in Spotify, on Apple, Podcast,

1646
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:05,600
on eBox. If they gave us
all those details and that would be the

1647
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,239
re- election. So I think
it' s referred to by the pix,

1648
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:13,000
the famous pixel that websites that have
other systems, Facebook and so on,

1649
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:14,920
that lacks a little bit of the
good, a little bit. Don

1650
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:16,800
' t let him down. Everything, of course, but I think I

1651
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:21,079
know it will continue, it will
expand. That' s why the topic

1652
01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:26,399
and, moreover, that they have
known, they have re- used to

1653
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:30,119
adapt what they had gained with Google
podcast of all the treatment of FITS and

1654
01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:31,560
the absorption of content they have now
done through YouTube. Yes, it is

1655
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:36,479
true that, as a podcast consumer, I personally don' t hear anything

1656
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:39,039
either, unless it' s a
podcast you' re told. Oh look

1657
01:32:39,079 --> 01:32:42,479
at the video because I don'
t know how good, but I wouldn

1658
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:43,439
' t consider it a podcast,
but a good one. I' m

1659
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:45,640
going to look at a little point
because they said I don' t know

1660
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:46,439
what they showed me on video.
Sure, I like it for that.

1661
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,439
I mean, for example, as
a complement, yes, yes, and

1662
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,399
I' ve told you that I' ve done many hours on YouTube,

1663
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,159
I, for example, in my
case I don' t know if I

1664
01:32:53,239 --> 01:32:55,399
' ve seen it that I don' t have TV antennas, I don

1665
01:32:55,439 --> 01:33:00,000
' t have feelings, but not
because of the fact that I did the

1666
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:00,000
work and I didn' t put
it one day to see you linear and

1667
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,279
so on. But what I'
m going to do is it' s

1668
01:33:01,359 --> 01:33:03,199
all on demand, but mostly on
YouTube. I see it on TV TV

1669
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:08,079
I don' t usually watch short
videos, sorch on the computer or on

1670
01:33:08,079 --> 01:33:10,640
the mobile. I mean, I, for me call me viaj one,

1671
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,760
but for my long videos and so
on. But, however, podcast is

1672
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,079
good for that, for what you
said, to discover them and then to

1673
01:33:16,359 --> 01:33:20,439
see on what platform, on what
application or whatever. But not as a

1674
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:25,319
final product of discovery. In the
end it' s what we say if

1675
01:33:25,359 --> 01:33:29,279
you make a video podcast, because
YouTube is logically a great platform. Al

1676
01:33:29,359 --> 01:33:31,840
is fidalgo what you say has found. I think the perfect matsh of its

1677
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:36,159
content by the way interviews do.
It' s nice to see people.

1678
01:33:38,039 --> 01:33:40,920
I' ve started watching video for
when he' s gone to YouTube why,

1679
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,199
that' s why, because he
gives it, because he gives it

1680
01:33:44,319 --> 01:33:46,840
another, he doesn' t give
it another point and, above all,

1681
01:33:47,279 --> 01:33:48,520
a lot of theory makes an audio. She' s very well- kept.

1682
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:51,039
The content is good, you see, for example, that we put,

1683
01:33:51,319 --> 01:33:54,000
because I do not want to put
anyone ahead or face anyone. But

1684
01:33:54,359 --> 01:33:58,119
fortunately, there' s the Te
Les Fidalgo model, there' s their

1685
01:33:58,119 --> 01:34:00,760
model. Anyway. The two interviews
are with famous people with a microphone and

1686
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:05,159
they make a podcast, but the
result is not the same and the learning

1687
01:34:05,239 --> 01:34:09,560
that can come to you the same
is different. I wanted one, I

1688
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:16,560
don' t know how much they
did a doublet that was interviewed on their

1689
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:18,800
podcasts so that each one of them
I really like. That' s right,

1690
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:24,680
it' s a match today.
It would be like facing a Joe

1691
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,680
Rogan with an ay. I don' t remember, like the other one.

1692
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:30,279
Well, everything. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, a piggy

1693
01:34:30,359 --> 01:34:35,000
against King Kong in Stan' s
films clear two post- catcher consolidated with

1694
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:40,159
the audience, with community, with
millions of listeners' visits and so on,

1695
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:43,479
interviewing themselves in both spaces. It
would be yes, what happens is

1696
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:45,880
that between the two of us,
of course, in one would be in

1697
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:46,640
five hours on the other. I
mean, it would be to make a

1698
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:50,079
series maybe, because for listeners,
listeners, but he loved it. Of

1699
01:34:50,079 --> 01:34:53,680
course, the enchanted listeners. No, but I think it' s a

1700
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:57,000
very good idea, because it'
s to contrast models, which is also

1701
01:34:57,039 --> 01:34:58,800
the good thing about podcast and I
respect very much what Jordi also does on

1702
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,199
a road. I don' t
go, I don' t get new

1703
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:03,800
to that style, but what I
was going for is also about the platform,

1704
01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:09,159
because it takes them a long time
before they also focused on YouTube,

1705
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:12,479
that they abandon the audio that has
tried all, plus some on which we

1706
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:14,119
have achieved as well and so on. But what he was going to find

1707
01:35:14,199 --> 01:35:18,920
and that match between making video do
it right and doing podcast without neglecting the

1708
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,319
audio. It' s the key. I mean, he' s taken

1709
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:25,199
care of the video without neglecting the
audio. And that and that is not

1710
01:35:25,359 --> 01:35:28,520
a podcast that has grown a lot. I don' t remember listening to

1711
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:31,119
the first few episodes. Of course
and that has evolved facts is clear is

1712
01:35:31,159 --> 01:35:33,880
that it takes them a long time
there biting stone. That is, he

1713
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:39,319
did land at Podium when they launched
Podium. It means he' s talking

1714
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,000
about two thousand fourteen, two thousand
fifteen, so that' s ten years,

1715
01:35:42,079 --> 01:35:47,920
at least a minimum, and the
people who have discovered him years later

1716
01:35:48,319 --> 01:35:51,880
you weren' t one of the
pioneers saving the distances. You went gold

1717
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:58,079
for ten years. Already on podcasts
a long time and are many with very

1718
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:00,279
heavy characters of is that it has
to be so. It' s like

1719
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:01,640
I don' t set the example
of Star Wars, I mean, there

1720
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:02,319
were a lot of people who don' t like it. I don'

1721
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:04,199
t know if those who listen to
us are fans of Star Wars. I

1722
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:06,439
' m very good at it.
I don' t know if you need

1723
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:10,079
the smart one, but what came
to know about it, I' ll

1724
01:36:10,079 --> 01:36:12,039
give it to you, because I
have it on VHS, because this shit.

1725
01:36:12,119 --> 01:36:17,479
This is not something, too,
because what the first trilogy was about,

1726
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,560
logically, was for the children we
had at the time, because I

1727
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:24,439
was caught with seven. I think
it was the premiere, but it was

1728
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:27,479
oriented. But a little older,
twelve, thirteen, such a good front

1729
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:30,840
comes to Jart Jar Bins, the
ghost threat and such a shit. I

1730
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,119
don' t know what this is. Such and I said, but this

1731
01:36:33,399 --> 01:36:35,960
but I know I' m dumb
or what. But let us know who

1732
01:36:36,079 --> 01:36:42,319
is going, that a child is
the protagonist, as happened, that has

1733
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:46,479
a pet as protagonist, that you
say, but that the pet who is

1734
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:50,399
the robot or jajar chooses a pet
or uffi pluto, if you prefer.

1735
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:55,600
On the other hand, really,
because it was very guffy to whom it

1736
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:59,239
is addressed and that he said recently
in an interview George Lucas, for it

1737
01:36:59,279 --> 01:37:02,079
was logically directed to the generation of
Now well, it is that already twenty

1738
01:37:02,119 --> 01:37:05,239
twenty years ago, twenty years ago
of the ghost threat and I saw it

1739
01:37:05,319 --> 01:37:09,840
the other day because I say,
my mother twenty years, as with the

1740
01:37:10,079 --> 01:37:13,640
podcast, what happens that what was
going was another generation so that they had

1741
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:16,560
references, because to the children of
that generation for they will already be almost

1742
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:20,199
parents. I also think it is
another detail of the Erassias war. They

1743
01:37:20,279 --> 01:37:24,119
were all very old, they were
too old, they were too old to

1744
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:26,960
remember when I was doing the podcasts
or communicating logically, they don' t

1745
01:37:27,039 --> 01:37:28,079
know who he is today, they
don' t have to know. But

1746
01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:30,600
if they know who you are,
if they know who the references are that

1747
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:34,079
probably encouraged them to look for other
podcasts and, perhaps, some make podcasts.

1748
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:38,880
That has to be a renewal,
but because we are not going down,

1749
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:44,039
because what you said before that first
renewal that was there for two thousand

1750
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:46,520
ten, two thousand eleven and I
don' t remember when I clapped those

1751
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:48,359
of caffeloj, for example, is
true, is a very good example.

1752
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:51,960
Of course they were going to another
audience, it was another turn and,

1753
01:37:54,119 --> 01:37:55,880
logically said, but there was a
relationship. Yeah, but it' s

1754
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,079
another generation now. And besides,
I noticed it if it happened a bit

1755
01:37:58,119 --> 01:38:00,560
in Madrid, which already noticed me. Like saying, then in my time,

1756
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:04,279
all this in here are going to
party. Now that happens to me

1757
01:38:04,359 --> 01:38:09,399
now that I' m going to
some orchard or some of that tomorrow power.

1758
01:38:10,399 --> 01:38:13,720
But it is logical, there is
already a general renewal. Sometimes it

1759
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:15,600
costs me a little bit, but
well, no, but it' s

1760
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,319
true. But if it happens now
with podcast creators and now, in fact,

1761
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,680
when they have come back they have
come back caffeloj on a couple of

1762
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:26,119
occasions and it is true, of
course, they themselves, because they are

1763
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:28,640
parents, it will be more difficult
to record. Of course, it'

1764
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:30,399
s logical, but I also think
that' s very interesting, because I

1765
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:32,800
also like that a lot, for
example, with the series or with the

1766
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:34,880
movies or so you see, if
you are fas of the I am very

1767
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:40,079
fan for example, of before dawn, before dusk, such as it is

1768
01:38:40,199 --> 01:38:42,199
funny, because they are the same
characters. Plus, with all the stories

1769
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:44,640
you' ve been through in your
life. That has to be very cool

1770
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,560
to do it as director with the
same director explaining the evolution of a couple

1771
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:51,079
over so many years, because that
with podcast is the same thing, because

1772
01:38:51,159 --> 01:38:54,359
you already go to another audience,
it happens to those who were listeners,

1773
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:57,840
also yours some new, but those
who now will also feel more identified.

1774
01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:59,920
Or what you' re going to
say to me that I can' t

1775
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:01,920
record because the boy is has put
bad things like that, and when they

1776
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:03,520
were recording, I' d say
girl and now I want to know nothing

1777
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,920
about boy or anything. Sure.
That' s it. I' m

1778
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,800
bothering the neighbors because I' m
squealing and now it' s good.

1779
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:14,720
You can' t all kid neighbors. Same thing as just when I came

1780
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:19,199
here to Candeleda. I want to
greet the comrades of International Superstar Podcasts who

1781
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:24,840
have just closed their podcast after ten
years and they were just commenting on this

1782
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:29,920
that of course they began recording with
twenty- three, thirty- six and

1783
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,079
now they are thirty- all or
forty- many and life has changed them

1784
01:39:32,119 --> 01:39:33,840
and, logically, they do not
have time to record. And it happened

1785
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:38,159
to me with why podcast. I
started because podcast at my mother' s

1786
01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:41,159
house, right, and now I
have to tell my daughters to please let

1787
01:39:41,199 --> 01:39:43,560
me record. Okay. Anyway,
yeah, yeah, yeah, but I

1788
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,760
' d only tell them a detail
if you' d let me. Yeah,

1789
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:47,840
yeah. The key to being able
to come back is never to say

1790
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:55,319
it was because a podcast always turns
into a podcast You never always get fired

1791
01:39:55,680 --> 01:40:00,000
from priodity. Fortnightly well that'
s that' s go or clear,

1792
01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:03,079
you take off the proya, motive, yes, but you take off the

1793
01:40:03,199 --> 01:40:06,039
pressure and then programs with more freedom
and you return what we say at the

1794
01:40:06,119 --> 01:40:09,000
beginning to the origins to record when
you can and want and with desire.

1795
01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:12,479
Yes, and eagerly without the pressure
of I have that I have that very

1796
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:15,039
well is encouragement happens to me now
every season ending, the last month of

1797
01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:17,600
episodes. I say what you win, I mean it' s already costing.

1798
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:20,439
And now, when I record the
last of the week on top,

1799
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:26,720
I always resuscitate. I mean,
Joe, if you stop this summer or

1800
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,880
I keep recording, I mean,
you don' t have to take vacations

1801
01:40:30,119 --> 01:40:30,840
to get back with more desire and, besides, the listeners. It'

1802
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:33,359
s very curious that I also remember
seeing studies in their time, on other

1803
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:36,800
platforms I' ve been through and
so on. Yeah, yeah,'

1804
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:39,680
cause it' s good they miss
you a little bit. Yeah, that

1805
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:42,720
' s what I was talking about
in a chapter, because you say man,

1806
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:44,359
but I lose my periodicity. They
forget me, they don' t

1807
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:45,399
forget, they miss you, it' s whether you can' t do

1808
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:47,159
to me either what I did at
the time, that I take maybe two

1809
01:40:47,159 --> 01:40:51,479
sabbatical years, that' s different, but a few months of today they

1810
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:55,119
don' t update. Ah it' s true it' s the end

1811
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:58,439
of season. See when he comes
back and if you can say it and

1812
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:00,159
you know date well, but if
not that I' m good. It

1813
01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:01,680
is also good that I am and
also let you see the forces. You

1814
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:05,800
come up with themes, you come
up with ideas, because if you don

1815
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:10,359
' t get new jobs, especially
when weekly I admire podcasts a lot,

1816
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:15,640
weekly or dailis, I don'
t tell you a daily anymore. That

1817
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:20,279
' s what Jordi White says,
too. I give will value because of

1818
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:25,640
course it' s a rhythm.
They are there and it is video full

1819
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:30,039
and long, because of course they
are not critical ree before too. But

1820
01:41:30,079 --> 01:41:32,760
I also appreciate that in generating content, it' s not valadías, which

1821
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:36,720
requires an effort to be there in
the first, like your colleagues in your

1822
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:42,239
case, are not podcasts but videos
or streaming. They are used to daily

1823
01:41:42,319 --> 01:41:45,479
streaming recording six eight hours if I
leave I lose subscribers and the guy,

1824
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,479
but he records weekly because he is
also much older than the others. But,

1825
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,720
well, it' s a vacation
for you to be more interested in

1826
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:55,399
time. Of course because if not
that you are passing on to many who

1827
01:41:55,560 --> 01:42:00,000
burn, but physically and mentally,
psychologically, because we can not be eight

1828
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,239
hours doing anything as much as you
like and above all is always put to

1829
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:08,319
public approval and so on. That
also has to be taken into account now

1830
01:42:08,359 --> 01:42:11,720
I don' t like the podcast
too that we see and then we have

1831
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:13,680
their work behind us. Sure,
because you' ll have something that'

1832
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:16,439
s good, in some cases it' s prepared, but well, well,

1833
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:18,760
but something or themes or game you
have to be good, you'

1834
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:21,600
ll have to do well, have
to go buy it, I don'

1835
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,039
t know comment or good, like
the other one who kept the clothes the

1836
01:42:25,039 --> 01:42:25,600
trash, the numbered one to not
go to throw away. Well, if

1837
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:28,239
so, yes, but if you
don' t have to have a life

1838
01:42:28,239 --> 01:42:30,119
out. You know, because if
it' s not a little complicated,

1839
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:32,079
yeah, it' s true,
but, well, he told you.

1840
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,359
I don' t know if he' s part of the character, no,

1841
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:36,520
but I do at least think he' s capable. Yeah, yeah,

1842
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:40,439
but that' s what I was
going to have video guys to mean,

1843
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:44,079
no, not everything is string,
not all of the recording, taking

1844
01:42:44,279 --> 01:42:46,239
advantage of going out on the street
for a walk, putting on your podcasts,

1845
01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:49,479
exercising, etcetera. And you allow
yourself to rephrase is today I don

1846
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:56,039
' t record or this month I
don' t record yes, yes,

1847
01:42:56,199 --> 01:42:59,399
and I' m going to sell
myself and give listeners time to miss him.

1848
01:43:00,399 --> 01:43:02,319
I can link it up I'
ll take it out in an opinion

1849
01:43:02,319 --> 01:43:04,399
chapter. That' s good that
people miss you yes, yes, for

1850
01:43:04,399 --> 01:43:08,319
data and how much data. Yeah, it works, it goes down,

1851
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,920
but it doesn' t end to
zero, but it' s got a

1852
01:43:12,039 --> 01:43:15,119
remnant there and when you come back, another melon comes up good again.

1853
01:43:15,239 --> 01:43:20,800
And this one already will give us
to speak Spotify. Spotify has come very

1854
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:26,880
well, but it is very dangerous. Spiderman said it, they say it.

1855
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,520
I believe that also in the class
war, at some point all great

1856
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:32,520
power carries a lot of responsibility and
absolute power or, on the other hand,

1857
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:38,119
binding corrupts absolutely. And that'
s the problem, the problem of

1858
01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:41,600
always monopolies and you say man,
but a monopoly today, with all the

1859
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,800
options there are already, but it' s that in some places the rate

1860
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:48,479
of podcast listening in some countries is
ninety percent. Spotify. In others,

1861
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:51,960
I can find Mexico, the United
States, when more up, when closer

1862
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:55,880
to the United States. Apple Podcasts
is very powerful, because iPhones are very

1863
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,920
powerful but the Apple ecosystem, not
just iPhone, is very powerful. But

1864
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,920
if not when you' re going
down or when you' re going into

1865
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:02,960
other markets where you don' t
have it. Spain, for example,

1866
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:08,079
that the iPhone does not have so
much penetration and there is a lot of

1867
01:44:08,119 --> 01:44:10,640
Android increases the rate of Spotify why, because that have done very well.

1868
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:12,840
They' re very smart, I
mean, they deserved the music. I

1869
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:16,359
strongly recommend, please, that anyone
who can watch the playlist series or the

1870
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:20,720
non- playlist list, I think
it' s called the series that'

1871
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:27,359
s about Spotify. In addition,
Spotify really not with names, well with

1872
01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:30,720
its green logo, yet very well
explained the evolution and above all, the

1873
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,039
role of the lawyer. No And
of course, in podcasts you don'

1874
01:44:33,079 --> 01:44:36,840
t have to pay them is that
we offer them for free, we offer

1875
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:39,960
them. Tal. They' ve
made a very strong bet on podcast.

1876
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:43,640
It is true, in my opinion, a little out of touch and a

1877
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:45,039
little without criteria. But well,
from here it' s very easy to

1878
01:44:45,039 --> 01:44:48,840
say, but I think they'
re gone, they' re gone from

1879
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:51,920
prices and so on, but what
I wanted to be leaders in a sector

1880
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:56,600
where you' re late because they
don' t even get the first ones,

1881
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:57,640
much less the last ones came and
the kings have been made. But

1882
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:00,439
as creators we have to be careful
not only that it' s me that

1883
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:03,960
worries me, not just put your
podcast in Spotify. I' m not

1884
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:06,800
saying that you' re not in
Spotify, if you can, if it

1885
01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:11,239
fits you, because there are certain
limits to music with such, but not

1886
01:45:11,359 --> 01:45:15,399
just you didn' t give it, don' t just leave the spot

1887
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:17,800
to distribute if you host it in
Spotify Ancor for friends Spotify for podcasters,

1888
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:18,840
don' t just give Spotify that
they' re on more platforms. Because

1889
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:23,479
if we don' t get back
to the problem we said before that if

1890
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:26,600
you stay in Spotify, you get
kicked out, you get blocked whatever it

1891
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:29,840
is, you get left without everything
you' ve worked and the podcast the

1892
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:30,840
good thing, you have to be
cross- platform. And, on the

1893
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:33,239
other hand, in terms of standards
and you see and so on, there

1894
01:45:33,279 --> 01:45:36,159
' s the problem. I also
wanted to see it. That' s

1895
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:40,359
for sure, because the accommodation can. I mean, Spotify has a lot

1896
01:45:40,359 --> 01:45:42,840
of stuff, well, it'
s got a lot of stuff that'

1897
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:45,560
s already been done with the accommodation. Sure, the accommodation you go,

1898
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,760
the free one you already have with
buying Ancore and more and more everything you

1899
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:50,920
have done have been taken away,
I mean, they take more and more

1900
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:54,479
things and more and more people stay. Yes, yes, yes, but

1901
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:57,960
above all, the interesting thing is
that they bought a Megaphune, which for

1902
01:45:58,039 --> 01:46:00,560
me is one of the best places
to stay and the only stick. Let

1903
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:04,119
' s say I could have it
then, it' s from Spotify too

1904
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:06,279
and you say, but that'
s not sticky. It' s not

1905
01:46:06,359 --> 01:46:13,319
sticky as to how casually hosted Megaphone
podcasts position beautifully in Spotify and podcasts when

1906
01:46:13,399 --> 01:46:19,319
they leave Megaphone casually drop out of
Spotify. And that kind of thing.

1907
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:23,199
But it' s a very robust
platform that has plans. In addition,

1908
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:28,960
they are very well thought out to
catch you, that is, free at

1909
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:30,399
first all the facilities and then they
are renewing agreements. It has can insert

1910
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:34,840
advertising dina i e, you have
all the tools of the great free accommodation

1911
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:36,680
services at the beginning. Then,
then, it will be around the hundred

1912
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:41,039
Europeans, more or less, as
perhaps explaining a little bit. Professionals are

1913
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:44,640
more or less in that rank,
but we' re back to the same

1914
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:50,000
thing. The problem is that it
has a clear monopolistic orientation of controlling the

1915
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:53,800
market. But in return, it
also gives us, as the usual technology

1916
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:58,880
is that Spotify even sounds in a
game boy. I' m sure there

1917
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:00,319
' s a version of Spotify for
game Boy to test even in the fridge.

1918
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:03,399
I' m sure if you have
a screen, you can put Spotify

1919
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:08,119
sounds everywhere. Immediate charge, which
is what also comes out in the playlist.

1920
01:47:08,199 --> 01:47:13,720
How they did the immediate loading The
player in WordPress is hosted in wordpres

1921
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:16,760
because that' s another melon.
If you' re staying at wordpres com

1922
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:18,600
no org don' t download it
I' ve served it no, no.

1923
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:21,680
I don' t mean you get
it all done blogger guy. The

1924
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:29,479
only player you can put into almost
any uncomplicated plan is Spotify. Try to

1925
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:32,600
put Livox, try to put others
an adventure. And I put that example

1926
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:35,079
because it' s for a lot
of people it' s the beginning now

1927
01:47:35,079 --> 01:47:35,479
when they' re going to open
a blog. I say, well,

1928
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:40,880
pussy work hom that' s the
simplest that to start with. And second

1929
01:47:41,039 --> 01:47:43,840
of all, she' s so
pretty. Also made integrates with the color

1930
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:46,800
of the cover, it adapts to
the size that is mobile to, everything

1931
01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:51,319
works, always loads fast. It' s all perfect. No witchet,

1932
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:57,000
no codes, no nothing you put
the wrel and that works from the podcast

1933
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:59,479
episode and that' s it.
But in return, we have to keep

1934
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:01,439
in mind that it' s you' re losing control of your podcast a

1935
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:04,359
little bit. If you put all
the podcast eggs in that basket, which

1936
01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:10,720
is Spotify, it has been a
great benefit for podcasting, but as you

1937
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:15,520
said it is also a great responsibility
on the part of creators that we don

1938
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:19,439
' t give up everything to a
platform and learn a little bit about what

1939
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:24,880
else, if I have to get
out of there, because they either throw

1940
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:27,520
you out or tennis you or start
censoring you. Chapter. I' ve

1941
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:30,520
advised podcast that the problem you have
and in fact, is another one of

1942
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:33,079
the songs that right now I'
m advising on the theme of music in

1943
01:48:33,079 --> 01:48:38,199
podcasts, because there are many podcasts
that that' s another good melo that

1944
01:48:38,239 --> 01:48:42,720
they want to put podcasts, they
want to license, they want to do

1945
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:45,800
it right basically not have to send
you that that' s another one to

1946
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:45,079
a Spotify list or do the things
these weird that were done. That'

1947
01:48:45,319 --> 01:48:49,359
s the most critical thing. I
think Spotify more music. That good podcast

1948
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:53,720
by good. The idea was good, I mean, it might sound good,

1949
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:56,159
but it was very complicated. And
there are programs that haven' t

1950
01:48:56,159 --> 01:48:57,680
been able to do it and that
can' t directly be in Spotify.

1951
01:48:57,720 --> 01:49:00,359
And they are programs that not only
have copyright, but are partners of GUIs.

1952
01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:03,279
They' re the ones who pay
the guide because they also play their

1953
01:49:03,279 --> 01:49:09,239
music, because you can' t
find them in Spotify because of these limitations

1954
01:49:09,239 --> 01:49:11,800
that have to cover their backs a
little. I' m guessing it'

1955
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:14,680
ll move forward. The statistics,
Potify' s stats are very good and

1956
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:16,720
you say clearly why, because they
give you demography that you don' t

1957
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:19,880
get it elsewhere, because like in
Spotify, you have to be more or

1958
01:49:20,279 --> 01:49:24,880
less identified to give in to certain
things. They have all that data is

1959
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:30,680
super interesting. The good Chartaul charta
wasn' t from Spotify, it was

1960
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:31,800
independent, but when they bought it, of course they integrated it. And

1961
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:35,600
now it also becomes a phenomenal source
of Spotify statistics, but also of all

1962
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:40,399
the rest of positioning with the rest. Conclusion is like I don' t

1963
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:44,720
know how to say as a necessary
evil, I don' t know as

1964
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:47,640
a good villain. No yes,
it' s like what happened with Google

1965
01:49:48,119 --> 01:49:50,399
or with the web pages, because
maybe that' s not it. You

1966
01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:54,319
have to manage what the Google algorithm
wants if you want to appear on Google.

1967
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:57,399
Which is so in this case,
because Spotify is the big window,

1968
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:00,640
saving a little Apple podcas Apple little
that I didn' t even put here

1969
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:03,479
in the script. Because they'
re going at their own pace, they

1970
01:50:03,479 --> 01:50:08,439
' re going to their ball.
Sometimes it took sixteen, seventeen years for

1971
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:11,319
them to get their subscriptions out.
Not bad, well, sixteen didn'

1972
01:50:11,359 --> 01:50:13,960
t start well, put 15,
put 15, about, be it or

1973
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:18,079
egimeter. Well, they thought about
it and without it we wouldn' t

1974
01:50:18,079 --> 01:50:19,600
be where we were either. Sure, no, not the podcast directory.

1975
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:24,359
Before, when we talk about directories, thanks to them they want to be

1976
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:28,319
incorporated into iTunes and thanks to the
directory it made many others later come out.

1977
01:50:28,439 --> 01:50:30,319
And contrary to what I' ve
read out there in some tweet I

1978
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:34,439
obviously don' t steve me neither
invented podcast, nor the word podcast nor

1979
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:39,560
podcast. It comes from the hippod
because if it wasn' t called podcasting,

1980
01:50:40,039 --> 01:50:42,199
it would be called e podcasting,
but it' s not called that

1981
01:50:42,199 --> 01:50:43,479
because it doesn' t come from
there. It all comes from the same

1982
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:45,880
origin of the word that is pod
capsule bla bla and between us we know

1983
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:48,319
it. But that stuff like that
was seen out there. It' s

1984
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:53,359
more Appel tried to register and I
don' t know if it takes him

1985
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:57,359
to register the word posting, podcast
yes, podcast and podcasting so that you

1986
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:00,960
couldn' t make bad use of
a hundred And of course, when they

1987
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,279
explained it, he says it'
s not that we haven' t explained

1988
01:51:01,279 --> 01:51:01,720
it well or you haven' t
explained it very well. What you wanted

1989
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:05,199
was to keep the term and not
like it. He didn' t like

1990
01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:06,199
it, I mean, he'
s got his stuff, too. Eh,

1991
01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:10,760
yes, but it has also helped
a lot and it has also supported

1992
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:15,439
a lot and also gives you visibility
And also, because that on and to

1993
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:17,880
be Apple, as it is in
other things, the fact that they have

1994
01:51:18,079 --> 01:51:21,079
their apia open so that the other
thing, for example, that worthy and

1995
01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:27,199
everything that pulls from there because Apple, I remember when we lived the sour

1996
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:29,560
polemics at the beginning of podémon of
why is my podcast there, because it

1997
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:30,960
seems where they got it from.
I' m opening melons and stuff.

1998
01:51:30,039 --> 01:51:32,640
No, but like we' re
starting out or they' re used to

1999
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:36,279
it. Don' t worry,
but where did the podcasts magically come from?

2000
01:51:36,319 --> 01:51:41,680
Mr Podimo had gone and caught them
as if they were mushrooms in the

2001
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:44,560
field, because you did not reach
an agreement. Apple. Hey, give

2002
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:46,399
me all the podcasts. Here Appice, we cross over and you give me

2003
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:48,680
the nine and you leave it to
me. I' m already checking it

2004
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:51,119
out here. I' m already
simple like that is that Podimon doesn'

2005
01:51:51,399 --> 01:51:56,039
t, it' s just that
they all do it, because if you

2006
01:51:56,079 --> 01:51:58,279
also, many put it where the
sacrets. Then when you explain it,

2007
01:51:58,279 --> 01:52:00,840
it' s already a little clear
on the subject. But that' s

2008
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:02,640
already generic beas that some wanted to
generate. And so I went when you

2009
01:52:03,239 --> 01:52:06,880
got it. There is multi-
distribution, the one you have through Apple

2010
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:11,840
with its stuff, but it also
has its advantages. But if you don

2011
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:14,720
' t want your podcast to end
up in places where you don' t

2012
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:16,920
even know where it is, because
it' s very simple don' t

2013
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:16,920
upload it to the podcast and it' s done and you won' t

2014
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:20,039
be there. Huddin the opposite of
climbing you can climb it to ple well

2015
01:52:20,199 --> 01:52:23,840
limit and remove it. That'
s true, that I saw him say

2016
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:27,600
recently about limiting that besides, of
course I had to investigate it for this

2017
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:30,039
topic, to give people choice to
not and always on a platform. You

2018
01:52:30,039 --> 01:52:33,159
can say, hey, don'
t get me out of the way,

2019
01:52:34,119 --> 01:52:35,960
well, the reasons you want some
right or wrong. But if you have

2020
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:38,079
multidistribution and you don' t have
pusculida, you don' t have ta.

2021
01:52:38,119 --> 01:52:39,520
I think it' s always better, I' ll be more.

2022
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:42,760
But, well, everyone puts their
podcast where they want what happened. But

2023
01:52:43,039 --> 01:52:45,920
what is important is the work they
have done. But the usual word for

2024
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:48,600
my key is multi- distribution,
because if you have a single podcast and

2025
01:52:49,039 --> 01:52:53,239
you have it only in podimo and
hosted in i e, sorry in Spotify,

2026
01:52:53,359 --> 01:52:56,319
only in Spotify for podcastr if and
only in Spotify, the podcast is

2027
01:52:56,399 --> 01:53:00,920
not yours is from Spotify and if
you want to do so take advantage and

2028
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:03,159
it is exclusive from Spotify. But
ask Spotify to get rid of the chalk.

2029
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:05,600
Man, of course, you come
to an agreement or you haven'

2030
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:08,279
t talked, because it also produces
a little bit. The truth is,

2031
01:53:08,319 --> 01:53:11,439
it doesn' t produce much anymore. But well, it' s also

2032
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:14,439
not that it' s bad per
se, but simply that you have to

2033
01:53:14,479 --> 01:53:17,520
take into account the advantages and disadvantages
and a little bit of what it means

2034
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:20,279
when you accept the conditions or when
you register on distribution platforms. It'

2035
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:24,479
s that what you say is beneficial, on the one hand, dangerous on

2036
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:28,159
the other, but the important thing
is that people know that not only the

2037
01:53:28,199 --> 01:53:30,760
podcasts are in Spotify, that the
accommodation is not only in Spotify, that

2038
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:35,239
the advertising doesn' t know if
you' re in on the iab that

2039
01:53:35,359 --> 01:53:38,920
you' ve hurt Spotify, that
they' ve plotted to comment before and

2040
01:53:39,199 --> 01:53:40,920
we' ve gone the other way
and in the end they would have to

2041
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:43,000
come to an agreement. Why.
What is the problem that I see here,

2042
01:53:43,279 --> 01:53:45,439
which happens also with metrics in other
places, that the Spotify standards are

2043
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:49,560
imposed, of course already, but
no, but better she sees that it

2044
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:54,720
is not a stop being an ong
an orresa with its commercial orientations, but

2045
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:59,760
it is already a de facto standard, not only those that are inside,

2046
01:54:00,079 --> 01:54:03,640
but those that are compatible with or
according to the standards that it is also

2047
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:06,159
important and thanks to Spotify and a
little I have also updated on how the

2048
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:11,640
topic is going and clear the key. He wants to innovate, he wants

2049
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:15,079
to take out new versions, just
like it happened with other types of licenses

2050
01:54:15,159 --> 01:54:18,960
and clearly cost, yes, yes, he has to pay social not to

2051
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:21,840
be good then Spotify. I think
I think Spotify has done the thing about

2052
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:25,840
when you' re playing the game
or you' re playing a pa chan

2053
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:29,399
or what I' m leaving,
but don' t go, man,

2054
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:31,079
let' s talk about it not
that I' m leaving and it'

2055
01:54:31,159 --> 01:54:34,720
s happened well, come see what
you were saying to see that we'

2056
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:38,520
re going to keep talking, because
Megaphone hasn' t left, for example,

2057
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:42,680
Spotify, yes, but that'
s not what he said now,

2058
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:44,560
that he wanted to take out Spotify, but come back to Megaphon, which

2059
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:45,760
is like but what you' re
doing. Okay, but we' re

2060
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:46,600
not going. No, but that
Megazhon, I don' t think it

2061
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:49,359
ever went away at any time,
that it came that it was compatible,

2062
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:53,840
of course, because it' s
the professional platform and besides, there are

2063
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:57,439
many fat companies that are there put
in men or statistics and all was just

2064
01:54:57,520 --> 01:54:58,640
the part of Spotify, but not
the part of Megaphone. Then what they

2065
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:00,960
said is they' re coming back. But, well, I think it

2066
01:55:00,279 --> 01:55:03,560
was quite logical and it was worth
a bit also to update us all on

2067
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:08,079
how it goes about metrics and so
on, and above all, not to

2068
01:55:08,119 --> 01:55:11,399
impose the standards of a company,
as happened on the webs and, that

2069
01:55:11,439 --> 01:55:14,399
is, well the people explore and
the Internet and such the importance that it

2070
01:55:14,479 --> 01:55:16,600
had. And above all, there
is one thing called podcast Index, which

2071
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:21,359
is a directory independent of all others. And there' s another thing that

2072
01:55:21,439 --> 01:55:26,079
' s called podcasting two zero that
you' ve talked about many times here

2073
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:29,800
in the program, that' s
right, that' s interesting, because

2074
01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:33,439
that' s because they' re
the HTML of podcasts, that' s

2075
01:55:33,479 --> 01:55:36,880
to say, the standards that companies
can then adapt, modify them to get

2076
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:40,359
caught or not, but that there
are common ones that if you want to

2077
01:55:40,359 --> 01:55:40,359
adapt them well, but that the
others are going to keep doing them.

2078
01:55:40,399 --> 01:55:45,399
And like what happened at the beginning
of when when you came with the fit

2079
01:55:45,479 --> 01:55:47,359
that at first there were labels,
because that' s the ITU. Then

2080
01:55:47,399 --> 01:55:51,119
came the Google Podcast, of course
because then Tify. Of course, I

2081
01:55:51,119 --> 01:55:54,760
did not know if the podcast was
zero ninety- two, it wasn'

2082
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:57,840
t even one, because it was
all very clear. And also, Dai

2083
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:00,960
Fulner has already said it several times
that it was made for some things at

2084
01:56:00,039 --> 01:56:03,239
a specific time. Of course not
everything can be foreseen, but the language

2085
01:56:03,279 --> 01:56:05,960
and structure is, which is planned
so that when a label is needed,

2086
01:56:06,279 --> 01:56:10,720
it is not proposed. Hey,
we do like the emogis. He hears

2087
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:13,399
that we propose this label, that
yes, because for forward and the companies

2088
01:56:13,439 --> 01:56:16,039
are adapting rss Com and it seems
to me a very interesting company to follow,

2089
01:56:16,319 --> 01:56:19,199
although in Spain the goal is not
less known, but that there are

2090
01:56:19,439 --> 01:56:24,520
many others than the transistors for example, what we said before the pot roll,

2091
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:26,960
because all that is integrated within that
initiative. That is why it is

2092
01:56:27,039 --> 01:56:30,319
very interesting that there are standards that
companies have to adhere to and not that

2093
01:56:30,359 --> 01:56:34,560
we have to adapt to company standards, because they are always closed and private,

2094
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:36,479
which is not the same. Yes, yes, because in the end

2095
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:41,680
what you say we have to conform
to what they want and then, when

2096
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:44,760
they don' t want something,
there we have no choice or close the

2097
01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:50,800
tap or tomorrow they make you a
sound and close the podcast division or whatever

2098
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:54,279
and all the effort and everything that
you have done the whole Community, because

2099
01:56:54,279 --> 01:56:59,159
you keep it without and multitude of
content and hours and hours and hours that

2100
01:56:59,159 --> 01:57:03,640
already we give them to the garbage. It' s just that it'

2101
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:09,840
s but it' s an amplifier, very good at arriving and the player

2102
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:13,239
is that good and already to fire
well, to learn nothing more, yes,

2103
01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:15,560
yes no and to talk that,
as we get involved, in the

2104
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:16,119
end we open another melon. But
as for the future that you see in

2105
01:57:16,199 --> 01:57:19,840
the short term, how you see
the short term of podcasting in Spain,

2106
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:24,079
not worldwide, but in Spain you
see it in good time. You don

2107
01:57:24,119 --> 01:57:27,720
' t see that as far as
perspective is concerned, yes because, moreover,

2108
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:29,479
it is a subject that is being
commented on quite a bit lately.

2109
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:30,399
Why, because you also see the
data. What we say is that it

2110
01:57:30,479 --> 01:57:33,319
doesn' t grow as much as
before and there aren' t those ratios.

2111
01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:38,159
To say, it' s not
that it' s going down and

2112
01:57:38,279 --> 01:57:40,760
so I' ve seen it go
down a little bit in the twenty-

2113
01:57:41,399 --> 01:57:44,159
three, but then, in the
twenty- four going back, except what

2114
01:57:44,239 --> 01:57:46,039
we say a little bit, that
twenty percent adjustment of sound production, but

2115
01:57:46,039 --> 01:57:48,800
that' s in a very concrete
sector of podcast production, not in general,

2116
01:57:49,119 --> 01:57:49,560
but I see that it' s
kept, that is, it'

2117
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:55,199
s not going down. What I
do see is that it' s getting

2118
01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:59,920
more and more permeating, that is, getting more and more geographically, it

2119
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:00,800
' s getting closer, and that' s what I think is logical,

2120
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:03,800
just as it happens with radio,
which at first was more generalistic, but

2121
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:05,199
then what' s interesting is when
it' s closer, more local.

2122
01:58:05,720 --> 01:58:10,720
I am seeing more and more cultural
agendas of localities, of villages, of

2123
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:13,520
regions not PODCAST, which are only
of that and which have a bit of

2124
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:17,000
a very niche audience, very very
focused on their own, also more local

2125
01:58:17,199 --> 01:58:20,680
events, not only geographical, but
thematic, for example, narrative podcast days,

2126
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:26,199
conversational podcast days. To make that
clear is very interesting, because that

2127
01:58:26,199 --> 01:58:29,479
is what it means, is that
already the problems of narratives are not the

2128
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:32,680
same as conversational ones. That was
not going to make another world either is

2129
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:36,880
not another world, but sponsorships,
of course, the frequency, the request

2130
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:41,600
are another. You have to treat
it another way and you' re probably

2131
01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:44,960
going to find it' s going
to be much more interesting and enriching a

2132
01:58:45,279 --> 01:58:46,600
more vertical event of that kind and
you' re already doing it with the

2133
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:50,399
locals as well. For example,
national and international podcast station, I don

2134
01:58:50,479 --> 01:58:54,800
' t know how to say it. Station podcast Valencia is a good example

2135
01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:57,840
of where the shots go, not
or spring, Radio, spring, spring

2136
01:58:57,960 --> 01:59:01,479
even as they have gone also in
radio spring, they are doing events and

2137
01:59:01,560 --> 01:59:05,039
also then they are getting into different
areas, that is, not only in

2138
01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:09,920
production, but also in lips,
in events, the producers and the studios

2139
01:59:09,960 --> 01:59:14,199
are also becoming producers. All this, I think I mean there' s

2140
01:59:14,239 --> 01:59:16,720
an audience, that is, a
dynamic industry. What we said before,

2141
01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:20,800
advertisers campaigns before was one a year
to see if there is luck, then

2142
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:24,920
there are already two, or so
now it is going, because every season

2143
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:28,479
two or three are already coming out
you could that I hope, but that

2144
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:32,159
there will be many more that I
do not know Brandesh podcasts are developing and

2145
01:59:32,159 --> 01:59:34,319
also have a very powerful thrust.
You also have to tell us who we

2146
01:59:34,359 --> 01:59:36,600
don' t need, that is, if you' re a brand,

2147
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:39,880
you can advertise on podcast. They
need to do your podcast, just like

2148
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:42,520
you can advertise on the web.
If you don' t have to,

2149
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:44,680
just like you can advertise on Facebook. You don' t have to make

2150
01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:46,399
yourself a facebook for your brand.
You can take advantage of what is already

2151
01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:53,239
done, audiences already established communities,
but large. There are many ways to

2152
01:59:53,239 --> 01:59:55,720
deal with big ones, for example, too. And then there' s

2153
01:59:55,720 --> 01:59:58,399
another thing, another melon that this
place gives us for another podcast, which

2154
01:59:58,479 --> 02:00:01,960
is the ia, of course not
exactly. Besides, that' s,

2155
02:00:02,079 --> 02:00:04,840
that' s the I would like
to make a podcast and it' s

2156
02:00:06,159 --> 02:00:10,479
called the already fu fu so,
put the title not why, because it

2157
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:14,640
already opens many multimelons dimensional, that
is, for a part of the applications

2158
02:00:14,680 --> 02:00:16,039
that we' re going to make
the podcast production. On the other hand,

2159
02:00:16,399 --> 02:00:21,800
also the counterfeiting, its planting of
identity, all the challenges, legal

2160
02:00:23,039 --> 02:00:27,920
and ethical problems that they pose,
because they are becoming better also the synthesized

2161
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:30,399
voices and the new ideas that are
emerging, on the one hand, for

2162
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:32,399
the production, that is, for
the typical that we have always dreamed.

2163
02:00:32,399 --> 02:00:34,800
From now on, one day I
can give a button and saga to the

2164
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:39,680
podcast or not, because Oliver Navanion
is already doing it, ten minutes with

2165
02:00:40,119 --> 02:00:43,840
Samines. It' s basically that, it' s a podcast generated 100

2166
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:45,960
% and besides that I think it' s very interesting and that it'

2167
02:00:46,279 --> 02:00:50,359
s there getting into the rankings,
that is, it' s there that

2168
02:00:50,479 --> 02:00:55,680
where the speaker himself is so that
he doesn' t know it, synthesized

2169
02:00:55,760 --> 02:01:00,479
his voice, also digitized so he
can also generate, no, but or

2170
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:02,000
generate an idea and generate a podcast
with all the episodes, characters and so

2171
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:05,000
on. But maybe, that'
s like very showy, very eye-

2172
02:01:05,479 --> 02:01:08,880
catching. But you don' t
have to come to that, that is,

2173
02:01:09,239 --> 02:01:13,000
there are many applications that we can
get out there in the podcast to

2174
02:01:13,079 --> 02:01:15,840
improve processes, speed up, produce
more, do better and, above all,

2175
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:19,600
that in the end you have to
keep thinking ideas that although it can

2176
02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:24,000
give you many ideas, but that
in the end you have to translate them

2177
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:25,439
and adapt them to your environment.
But I think it' s going to

2178
02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:30,119
help us a lot too in reaching
more audience and in the part that I

2179
02:01:30,239 --> 02:01:31,279
see saying a lot, but I
don' t finish. I see that

2180
02:01:31,319 --> 02:01:36,560
progress is in discovery. Everyone says
in Spotify has always said it all not

2181
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:41,479
I suggest such I don' t
know you, but I don' t

2182
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:43,560
have it very much. It'
s also true that I might make it

2183
02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:45,439
difficult because I hear the same thing
clearly, as I' m trying everything.

2184
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:47,880
They say but something and you say
to see what day we are in

2185
02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:50,319
today nice, because there is no
one who gets you clear, it is

2186
02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:53,960
true, you hear some things and
then you never hear them again. Then

2187
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:56,880
you' re putting me down a
lot Tell her now. Not good,

2188
02:01:56,920 --> 02:02:00,199
because I hope that that better sharpen
a little bit more, because, for

2189
02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:02,359
example, if you can do it
with audiovisual, you can do it Google,

2190
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:05,159
Google, as Google YouTube has integrated. All the more time you'

2191
02:02:05,239 --> 02:02:08,479
re looking for four things. YouTube
already tells bird come this way that you

2192
02:02:08,520 --> 02:02:11,199
' re going to like this one. I, for example, never see

2193
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:14,279
what we say Jordi, just like
me, never comes up with suggestions,

2194
02:02:14,359 --> 02:02:17,079
never because you are always logged in. Because that' s what I think

2195
02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:23,760
podcasts lack that ability to discover better
content, more like IT and that are

2196
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:27,000
not the typical listings that always appear
from the promotion platforms in their own.

2197
02:02:27,880 --> 02:02:30,239
The other one promotes yes, because
I already know, I know. And

2198
02:02:30,279 --> 02:02:33,279
besides, if I just see that, I' m not just not going

2199
02:02:33,359 --> 02:02:36,279
to listen to it or get better, then that' s always the same

2200
02:02:36,359 --> 02:02:41,399
thing, it can' t give
you the feeling of catalog planning to motivate

2201
02:02:41,479 --> 02:02:43,720
me to go to another platform to
look for something other than your own.

2202
02:02:44,079 --> 02:02:45,920
That' s when there' s
probably a lot of content that maybe you

2203
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:49,079
' re alone on that platform.
And that goes for several, and you

2204
02:02:49,159 --> 02:02:51,119
' re always teaching me the same. Not because perhaps they are the ones

2205
02:02:51,199 --> 02:02:56,800
who listen the most, those who
heard such heard such or long ago a

2206
02:02:56,880 --> 02:03:00,600
silverfora, on a platform very far
away called last Fm. Many years ago.

2207
02:03:01,399 --> 02:03:04,279
There were people who then worked in
Spotify, who came from there and

2208
02:03:04,399 --> 02:03:09,199
to that platform many years ago that
we still have profiles out there. We

2209
02:03:09,239 --> 02:03:12,000
were just commenting on raffona. I
showed up a lot of podcasts out there

2210
02:03:12,039 --> 02:03:15,199
because we loved Lastfm' s po. In fact, GT got to know

2211
02:03:15,319 --> 02:03:18,399
each other through made brides couples of
those things. What I had was the

2212
02:03:18,439 --> 02:03:21,920
discovery. It was brutal, or
tuned in with music. It' s

2213
02:03:21,960 --> 02:03:26,199
not the same. I know he' s like a pandora He made that

2214
02:03:26,199 --> 02:03:28,279
clear, too. Pandora what happens
that when it was as it was more

2215
02:03:28,279 --> 02:03:30,920
of the United States had blocked,
it was more difficult to be able to

2216
02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:34,119
prove it. But lastfhem was for
me the best music platform until then CBS

2217
02:03:34,159 --> 02:03:39,720
bought it. I think it was
the one that left her there to her

2218
02:03:39,800 --> 02:03:43,239
luck and that' s it,
but the recommendation system was very good and

2219
02:03:43,279 --> 02:03:46,479
they say that from there they also
got out of Spotify, but I think

2220
02:03:46,520 --> 02:03:47,880
they didn' t make the most
of the potential she had. There'

2221
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:51,039
s a way to go there and
it does it with the music. I

2222
02:03:51,199 --> 02:03:54,279
should be able to do it with
podcasts. What you' re going to

2223
02:03:54,319 --> 02:03:57,319
do is finish the podcasts by being
longer. To be clear, and one

2224
02:03:57,399 --> 02:04:00,119
issue that we have not dealt with
and that seems very interesting to me is

2225
02:04:00,199 --> 02:04:02,359
the labelling that I think almost nobody
cares about labels and three because, like

2226
02:04:02,439 --> 02:04:05,600
everything else, something is already going
on platforms and so on. And basically

2227
02:04:05,640 --> 02:04:08,960
it was like filling in the library
tab, of a book, but of

2228
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:12,159
an audio, and that helps the
platforms a lot. Nowadays, podcast seo

2229
02:04:12,479 --> 02:04:15,720
helps a lot on labels and almost
no one takes it into account, because

2230
02:04:15,760 --> 02:04:20,800
we are going on a day-
to- day basis. I' ll

2231
02:04:20,920 --> 02:04:24,680
tell you if I get it.
I keep doing it, if then the

2232
02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:28,000
platform respects it or not. It' s just another clear one too,

2233
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:31,760
but I' m trying and I' m doing it because I like it

2234
02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:35,640
a lot, especially, even if
it' s just by sticking the cover

2235
02:04:35,680 --> 02:04:41,039
in the very clear, it'
s that you' re getting a few

2236
02:04:41,079 --> 02:04:43,319
cases of no space and, besides, if someone' s listening it says

2237
02:04:43,359 --> 02:04:43,720
already, but how do I do
that fuck, what are you telling me.

2238
02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:46,600
You have an Apple computer, you
have the name of the music app.

2239
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:49,680
I think it' s called application
n no, no, music.

2240
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:53,720
It' s a lot of music. Yeah, with music what iTunes used

2241
02:04:53,880 --> 02:04:58,479
to be. I think you give
it to information and it puts the label

2242
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:00,920
on you and if you touch something
there, it keeps it in the file

2243
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:03,119
in a simple and transparent way and
that there are free applications. Or you

2244
02:05:03,199 --> 02:05:06,960
do, yes, but less and
less be free. Good for classis,

2245
02:05:08,039 --> 02:05:12,079
good, sing song or episode if
you want to do massively when you charge,

2246
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:14,680
but well there are many ways to
do it and it' s not

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02:05:14,760 --> 02:05:16,319
so complicated. And the bad thing
is, it happens to you later.

2248
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:20,399
I think Milcard happened to him that
when he got on the platform, the

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02:05:20,439 --> 02:05:23,000
platform itself took it out. Sure, that' s why I said it.

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02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:26,520
That' s why I said it
effectively. But good is that in

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the end, by masters they do
some compression, or they do normalization,

2252
02:05:30,479 --> 02:05:33,079
they do some small task of this
kind, well, I say small for

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02:05:33,159 --> 02:05:36,239
us, which is almost transparent,
but that the audio is no longer the

2254
02:05:36,399 --> 02:05:39,079
same and if they do not respect. That is why it is very important

2255
02:05:39,119 --> 02:05:42,239
that you take labels into account,
because then the result may not be.

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02:05:42,319 --> 02:05:44,520
But I think most of them if
at least in Spreaker and in this one

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02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:45,880
I do respect you, yes,
I go at least with the tests I

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02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:49,880
do. Or I do, but
well, then, everyone, because in

2259
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:54,119
the end they choose the platform,
which chooses the way to record, which

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02:05:54,239 --> 02:05:58,560
they choose, the way to export, to label, is that in the

2261
02:05:58,600 --> 02:06:01,800
end we return a little bit to
the beginning that each person can get as

2262
02:06:02,199 --> 02:06:05,399
much into their podcast as they want
to just get ahead of a microphone,

2263
02:06:05,479 --> 02:06:09,880
record or the one that edits their
audio, uploads it, records it in

2264
02:06:10,399 --> 02:06:15,640
their wordpres and I don' t
know what labels at the end is or

2265
02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:19,800
a multipurpose knife the podcast, which
can be only to cut or screw in

2266
02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:23,479
order a corkscrew of everything. But
we are discouraged that we are thinking that

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02:06:23,479 --> 02:06:26,000
everything we are saying must be done. On the contrary, and if not,

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02:06:26,319 --> 02:06:29,439
because they can always hire someone to
help them the whole process and that

2269
02:06:29,479 --> 02:06:32,239
it is only, of course,
very well brought, that it is only

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02:06:32,239 --> 02:06:35,000
to get on a microphone and worry
about its content, which is also very

2271
02:06:35,039 --> 02:06:38,199
respectable, that has made many podcasts. They do so and, in fact,

2272
02:06:38,199 --> 02:06:42,279
must be ideal. I wish,
I wish. I always say that

2273
02:06:42,359 --> 02:06:44,920
I' m my worst client because
the number of hours I' m giving

2274
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:47,359
this podcast. Sure, sure,
but well, hey, he also brought

2275
02:06:47,399 --> 02:06:53,399
me here today precisely I think that' s why we like to be on

2276
02:06:53,479 --> 02:06:56,239
the other side. It is well
seen, well seen, as he hears

2277
02:06:56,279 --> 02:07:00,159
a real pleasure this episode by hand, in this episode on the other side

2278
02:07:00,199 --> 02:07:05,199
of the microphone. As I said
at the beginning, I probably wouldn'

2279
02:07:05,319 --> 02:07:10,520
t be working where I' m
working now without that two thousand four-

2280
02:07:10,720 --> 02:07:13,039
year- old jose recording his first
podcast. I also don' t know

2281
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:19,039
so many people who are already dedicated
to the podcasting industry, that it is

2282
02:07:19,039 --> 02:07:24,319
worth admiring that you took the first
step twenty years ago, that many others

2283
02:07:24,359 --> 02:07:28,319
followed you and that little by little
people were encouraged to create their own podcasts,

2284
02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:31,880
little by little a renovation, little
by little someone would work on a

2285
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:36,520
plugging for one website or another for
a platform. Little and in the end

2286
02:07:36,560 --> 02:07:41,239
has been made an ecosystem that today
in Spain and many other countries, as

2287
02:07:41,279 --> 02:07:45,680
it is an industry that hears not
only has to be a commercial industry,

2288
02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:48,199
it can be a people' s
industry that uses it for leisure, for

2289
02:07:48,319 --> 02:07:51,520
business, for and a community.
It is what it was at first,

2290
02:07:51,640 --> 02:07:54,600
what it has been, and what
it will continue to be. Where there

2291
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:57,880
is a podcast, where there is
someone telling things, a community of people

2292
02:07:58,199 --> 02:08:01,319
is created around listening, there are
creators, of consumers. Already to me,

2293
02:08:01,319 --> 02:08:03,119
that' s what fills me the
most what you' ve said,

2294
02:08:03,359 --> 02:08:05,319
that there are people who have listened
to my podcast or others or whatever and

2295
02:08:05,359 --> 02:08:09,159
they' ve been cheered up and
they' ve passed on to the other

2296
02:08:09,239 --> 02:08:13,840
side and they' ve produced it
a little bit later and expand yourself look

2297
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:15,520
at the ques at the beginning of
ten twelve people in a year. Today

2298
02:08:15,560 --> 02:08:18,399
it is unthinkable to calculate the number
of people who create podcasts, just as

2299
02:08:18,479 --> 02:08:22,039
they create YouTube channels, only in
Spain. Plus, yeah, yeah,

2300
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:24,840
yeah, yeah, well, we
see indix podcast. I don' t

2301
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:28,319
want to open up here now,
but there' s either a hundred million

2302
02:08:28,319 --> 02:08:28,600
and a thousand ten. But you
know it from not least that I know

2303
02:08:28,680 --> 02:08:31,840
it by heart, but that I' ve looked at it recently, I

2304
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:33,840
' ve got it fresh. Four
million and Pico three million nine hundred and

2305
02:08:33,960 --> 02:08:37,560
ten thousand in list Notes that write
a little more rolling the thing and in

2306
02:08:37,600 --> 02:08:41,880
Spanish about seven hundred thousand. If
I just saw it yesterday in a Linkedin

2307
02:08:43,479 --> 02:08:46,960
post, that that compared YouTube channels
to podcast and of course there seemed to

2308
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:50,720
me that there were for every podcast
one thousand two hundred are one thousand three

2309
02:08:50,760 --> 02:08:54,000
hundred YouTube channels. It' s
a very good hearing opportunity. That'

2310
02:08:54,239 --> 02:08:58,720
s no video recording podcast, which
is easier for you to reach more people,

2311
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:01,600
but good that we don' t
stop opening menons. I think it

2312
02:09:01,680 --> 02:09:03,199
' s going to be the longest
episode on the other side of the microphone,

2313
02:09:03,319 --> 02:09:05,600
I think it' s going to
be a little more than ten minutes,

2314
02:09:07,039 --> 02:09:09,680
or I don' t know if
much more is being heard by ry

2315
02:09:09,720 --> 02:09:11,560
Ances if I' ve already seen
it, if I already know where I

2316
02:09:11,640 --> 02:09:15,079
was, but I' ve already
seen it in the player lock they haven

2317
02:09:15,159 --> 02:09:16,439
' t been able to see that
if we' ve even opened up the

2318
02:09:16,439 --> 02:09:16,159
time space in the podcasting that we' re there. In the past it

2319
02:09:16,199 --> 02:09:20,159
is broadcast in the future and we
don' t know when people will find

2320
02:09:20,239 --> 02:09:22,560
out if maybe someone will listen to
us in another twenty years. Hey,

2321
02:09:22,760 --> 02:09:24,840
I' m calling you to record
the two- thousand episode. Come on,

2322
02:09:26,079 --> 02:09:33,920
it' s okay in fact,
here or wherever it' s time

2323
02:09:35,039 --> 02:09:45,960
and now I say goodbye and we' re going back to that place where

2324
02:09:46,039 --> 02:09:46,439
you guys are right now on the
other side of the microphone, this is

2325
02:09:46,439 --> 02:09:50,359
podcast. You' re recording a
podcast talking about technology and Jack Dorsey and

2326
02:09:50,439 --> 02:09:54,680
they bring you the roads. I
just found it, so something sneaks into

2327
02:09:54,760 --> 02:09:58,479
the fake shots to see who'
s coming out of the three podcast viojones

2328
02:10:00,399 --> 02:10:03,800
so it' s not that 23- three Treky. No, that'

2329
02:10:03,880 --> 02:10:05,520
s not Trei Trek He was messed
up on hold He' ll put it

2330
02:10:05,520 --> 02:10:11,439
around here. Enrique Varela yes,
yes and Javier Romero yes, that I

2331
02:10:11,479 --> 02:10:16,079
have a good view no, not
between here I was very allied with the

2332
02:10:16,439 --> 02:10:22,399
organization not that other. My mic
was RAFA' s, yeah, yeah.

2333
02:10:22,600 --> 02:10:26,079
Then they gave it to you because
I had a sticker with EOV.

2334
02:10:26,279 --> 02:10:31,760
Each of our materials was labeled.
Yeah, it was days. Geo was

2335
02:10:31,039 --> 02:10:35,199
that was premonitory after what this would
be, that was the first good put

2336
02:10:35,239 --> 02:10:39,119
to bujar in a good n.
Yeah. Yes, of course, I

2337
02:10:39,239 --> 02:10:43,600
have to rescue that wire. Yeah,' cause that' s your own

2338
02:10:43,720 --> 02:10:48,239
podiatrous metarchology of' cause in the
end the OV thing was about an equal

2339
02:10:48,239 --> 02:10:54,760
blog of this one. Why,
because it was sometimes bo epics and on

2340
02:10:54,920 --> 02:11:01,439
Twitter I didn' t sometimes go
bo epics and how I was free.

2341
02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:05,119
And then, when the few short
nicks came to an end,