Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the House of Dragon.
Spoiler review, episode one, season two. It's been a minute because we
did this while the show came out two years ago. Now the wrong mic?
Is that what you're hearing out with the I think so? I can't
tell. I think so. I definitely am. I probably some better now,
But yes, episode one of season two of House of Dragon. We
are here. You want, you can go back and get our thoughts,
but we'd probably do a quicker work because it's been two years and whatnot.
And that I feel like that was a ride that first season because I feel
like there was not highs and lows, but we were coming off the Game
of Thrones. I don't know, stumbling over finale. Who knows. But
yeah, I am the clown Prince of Dragons. Trust now I'm joined by
the House Stark taylor Field. Yeah, And like I said, we're here
to break that down. So we will give our nonsporter thoughts and then we'll
give a little break and then we will go into spoiler thoughts. If you
haven't got a chance to see it, or if you're I don't know what
I feel like. Once you're into season two of a show. You're you're
here because you're watching. You know, I don't think you're getting a chance
unless you really didn't like season one. You're like, oh, should I
give it a chance? But I would say, as of right now,
it's probably similar to season one, but we will get there. So yeah,
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remember bits and pieces of but not very very much. So I'm excited to
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year already, you know. So, But yeah, tarror Field, what
did give a brief synopsis or overall thought of what you thought about season one?
You're if you can remember most of your thoughts, liked it, didn't
like it, et cetera, just because, like I said, that was
a two years ago now, so people might not remember or we might have
new listeners. And then what do you think about episode one so far?
Yeah, so, from what I can recall a Season one, it was
it was a lot of just the kind of development and narratives that I feel
like you really were craving in Game of Thrones. That wasn't probably there for
most Game of Thrones fans and the end days of of Game of Thrones and
some of that final season, but it definitely just brought us back to that
og original kind of vibe of west Rous that you really kind of you're craving
the Seven Kingdoms and the whole whole just chaos and betrayal and everything that is
kind of embodied it in that. So I think that the first season absolutely
knocked it out of the park for me. I love it very very much,
And even with a time jump that takes place in there too, I'm
not phased by it at all. I think that the characters do really really
well in portraying the younger versions as well as the older versions, and now
that this story is obviously continuing with these older versions, I just think that
it's it's I guess I can't say that because it's non spoiler still, it's
just it's it's nice to get back into this this narrative, and I'm really
really excited to see where things are going to be continuing here because the finale
that it was just mind blowing and of season one, like, holy crap,
finale this season right, I did, yeah, I got, I
got all of it dropped on on Crave but it was just absolutely incredible the
ending, and I it was just bold and crazy, just oh that's that's
the kind of classic Game of Thrones vibe that I really really I miss and
enjoy. As painstaking as it is, but it was a story that Okay,
this, this climactic ending has really just cemented my my, my hype
level for this show and that Okay, well I'm gonna be there obviously day
one, we're gonna review it. But even if we weren't reviewing it,
I'm sure many other people would agree with me that they would have been they'd
be their day one. I mean, you're here here now listening to this
review, So just an ending like that for the podcast. That's why you're
here. If if geek Ers isn't going, those house number dragons be be
over you know, yeah that it or is your wife? I dropped out
his wife? I dropped out. There you go, lets hillman, I
will go while we're waiting for him to return. Yeah. So, as
I've said before, so I'm a little broken record there. But if you
haven't heard my thoughts. Was a big fan of Game of Thrones, head
up and down, but much like everybody liked it, and I'm probably fit
the majority of Oh of course Terry left has my voices going away as in
the majority of it. Did not enjoy the finale, didn't hate it,
but overall was disappointed and kind of was done in a way where I didn't
think I needed more Game of Thrones. I was happy to leave it there,
but it was coming up. The boys won review and I thought,
okay, sure I'll review and jump on the bandwagon. And then I think
I enjoyed it for the most part, and then I ended up really liking
it. There were some decisions here there that a little uh. I think
it was mostly the time jumps. I did rewatch season one in preparation this,
so if you have any questions to you or anything referred back to.
I watched a couple episodes and my kids were six, so then on Friday
I watched six episodes straight back back, so it's just six hours a game
thrown because I had touse that I'm not gonna finish it before the show,
and I did it. I was glad, so my problems remained the same
as far as overall, I think I gave like a nine to nine point
five. We were finished, where really enjoyed it. Maybe there's odd decision
there that I thought I didn't buy it, but most of them were minor.
I think for me it was the time jumps, where there you could
argue Season one literally could have been three seasons I know some people like,
oh, it might be slow, dad, but I feel like there's tons
of things that we still didn't get into or skimmed over very fast even rewatching.
Oh man, I really wish like just little stuff like Vesaris and Damon
have so much tension and him and Vernier get married and they don't really speak
about that the next time. Damon season is like Venier's Visarius is like like
he's like a skeleton and can barely like think and to us. So it's
just like there's certain moments where even rewatching go, oh man, I wish
we could have spent some time there. But overall, I think it's a
very great show, and so far, episode one is doing a very good
job of I think continue that legacy. I think, like you said,
it's a good thing that we're with these characters. And I don't suspect any
time jumps if they are hopefully minor ones, but not like last time we
were jumping to years to decades and stuff. I think that we should stay
in this times And I think they even said there's gonna be no time jumps
if they were maybe flashbacks or something, but no, so so far,
I really enjoy it. They're picking up tons of threads, which a show
should do, but I just think they're picking up tons of th reds that
were in that finale. So I and in the last few episodes, which
is great, they do a great job. Was still rashing at the tension
where there's tons of characters at playing there's tons of main characters, but you
still with Game of Thrones, you never know what could happen and you never
know who could bite it. And I think the last fifteen minutes of this
episode are really good, and I think it was smart to end that way
too, because I feel like the end very big Game of Thrones. I
feel like many seasons would not like end big. Sometimes John Snow would come
back to life, and sometimes it's just be like, oh, here's the
gang and this is what they're up to, right, So and that's fine
because some people that's their critique. In tells to Dragon that sometimes it moves
too fast, and I could see that because it usually has big episodes or
big moments. But this one, even without the ending, has lots of
great moments, lots of great character moments. So yeah, I think so
like this episode. I don't think I maybe when we talk about it will
get there. But just even this episode in particularly, I don't think I
have like a negative I think it's all going in the right way. And
then I think everything they did for the past hour was right, and they
let I think everything that I wanted to see, even a snippet of breed.
I think they said it's gonna be a bit more Game of Thrones,
this type of season where you'll have a lot more ensemble of maybe only like
in the like it's no spoilers, but I think like we're near as only
in this for even ten minutes feels like a stretch, right, I would
say, like she's a red yeah, so, but even Game of Thrones
you would get that right where sometimes you would see like seriously for an episode,
like one scene for an episode and that's it and she was gone.
So they're gonna spread that out. But yeah, I think there's some intriguing
stuff and definitely the uh the war started in Man, it's gonna it's not
gonna go well. It's gonna go well for us as viewers, but as
to watch, it's gonna go very poorly, and already lots of scheming between
both sides, both sides are cracking. So that's what I was impressed within
the trailer when we got year or a couple months ago, nine years ago,
a couple months ago, and then when I talked about newscuys and now
with this episode where it's like it is like House Black versus House Green,
but then even within those houses there's multiple problems and multiple factions working against each
other, and it's really just like a complete miss And yeah, they kind
of who fucked us up? You can argue for Sarah's you know, Allison,
you can argue, we'ner who knows? But Amon who knows. But
we'll get into anything else nonspores, Nope, Okay, so we're gonna go
into spoilers. So if you've not seen the episodes about now and then come
back we have. If not, we're gonna get into it right now.
So we'll be right back and we're back. So I feel like, kind
of like the Boys, I feel like the best way to go is characteris,
and I feel like characteris. I want to start with Wener just because,
like we said, there's not much there the whole episode. She's i'd
say she's in three scenes and two maybe four and three out of those four
scenes are her grieving for the loss of her son, as she should be.
Right at this point, it was just talking houses, seeing who is
behind who. War hadn't really started. There wasn't even an attack or anything
but Aimen. Again in last season, the Dragon kind of went into business
for himself, but at the same time Amon didn't have to like be following
him and trying to scare him or you know, so it's like it's Amon's
fault one hund percent he go a little cocky and stuff, but also you
know what happened. She was just there to confirm the death and look very
sad, not trying to be little that she did a great or they did
a great job, Emma RC. I think they were phenomenal in this for
those small times they were, and then the other time. Really enjoyed the
scene when her eldest son came back and he's just trying to give the progress
report of the war but can'ton kind of breaks down and we got like a
classic Targarian funeral with the fire and everything. So I hope that next episode
she has more of a presence. I have no issues with this here because
I feel like there has to be a morning. You show that loss,
you show the anger, you show she why she does want to strikeout.
So I think everything was aces here, But I do hope next episode she's
interacting with a bit more people. But what do you think about Runier's return
here? Yeah, it was just I mean, we're we're still trying to
feel what's what's happening and the emotions of this that fallout that occurred in that
finale of season one, and so I feel like everything that she's feeling,
that's how we are feeling. Is the audience too, we just felt years
ago. Yeah, yeah, we've been reading longer than she has. So
yeah, I think that it's it's just fun. I didn't need her to
be guns blazing at the at the council tables, just call the shots full
of rage all that kind of stuff. I could feel her rage, and
those scenes of her just standing there on like overlooking the beach, just she's
she looks just war torn kind of already and she's just she's she's pissed.
But even then it's sad. Why do you think I know why? Because
of aim and everything? But is there do you think it? Is it
the same of getting Aiman is like starting a war or do you think there's
a difference of her wanting Aimen but not saying she wants to go to war,
because she didn't say that right. She said she wanted aim And dead.
She didn't say, like, let's go to war, let's kill the
the you know, house of Green. It was just like a sun for
son. Do you think the aim and thing meant we're going to war or
do you think she really just wanted specifically him and then kind of recalculate after.
I think the main thing is just to get him, and if you
gotta go to war to get him, then that's what's gonna happen. Like
there's nothing that's gonna be getting in your way to get to get to him.
I mean, he's he's chop liver. He's done. Is he done?
I think I think it's gonna be for a little bit until he's done.
You know, he's well, it will be a little bit. He's
not done yet, but it's it's pending, it's in transaction. I was
quite worry, be worried, but not quite worried. I didn't think they're
gonna kill him off, because damon, I think would be my favorite character.
But Aiman is my like he's easily my Ah, that's tough. I
don't know. Barnier is great there. I'll just say top three. I
don't want to rank them. We'll say that for the end of the show.
But Riniera, Damon, and Aimin they're my favorites because aim and we
talk about last year. He's just like so like laser focused and he's scary
in this different way. And I'm also just liking the actor because he was
such a different type of character in Uh Saltburn, Like this is this nerdy,
little genius guy. I remember he was in there. He's always from
the beginning, so I like to see like how much range he has.
So I was like, man, if they kill off this character, like
like the rest of the world, right, we're all waiting for him and
Damon to eventually fight, Like I feel like that's gonna be like the Monoi
mono uncle versus Nephew last season rewatching it. There's so many times they're just
staring at each other and they never pull a sword, but they're just like
way to make a move. So if he was gonna die, I would
have been disappointed. I actually thought high Tower was gonna go because they last
time, the guys they what happens is and we're probably going to Damon just
everyone at Dragonstone. She says that. So Damon puts on his like dark
kermit hood and he's he's going over there and he's making a deal, which
I thought, Man, he's at King's Landing, very risky, like I
know that she wants him, but like if you get caught or lost,
now they all takes this one person and they have lost Damon, and that
I think is not the time. But either way, he pays like these
rat catchers and another guard half money big sum to like pay off all their
debts, half the money before, then half the money after to get Aimen.
And when they transition, they were going into the tower. Aimon is
having a meeting with High Tower Auto, So I thought it was gonna be
a thing where like they go to kill tell him something happens, but then
they kill High Tower instead. Because I also, I really like, you
know, the lizard rise Iron, but like he was mostly in all season
one, so it's the thing of like I could see that character going and
we already know his trajectory, right, the creepy guy with the limp is
gonna get him out as the hand like we and you know, and that's
a good thing about the show. It's not like it's predictable, but it's
a good thing. Like his days at the hand or number. Would you
agree, I would say so, I mean, he's well game. What
I like about Game of Thrones is you have all of these characters that we
we come to really enjoy learning about their stories and their development in that first
season, and slowly but surely, these characters all fade away and it's like
a next generation. The younger characters grow up in the show and then they
take over. Now we've we didn't have any major time jumps like we have
had in House of Dragon occurring Game of Thrones from what I can remember,
so I think just like months or weeks, but nothing that kid's growing up
to adults and stuff exactly. So in this sense, I feel like,
okay, he's they've jumped already exponentially by a few years, and so these
new characters are going to be kind of filling in that void. And I
think once you eliminate him, it's just going to create such a dynamic.
He's the only one amongst all these characters. That's really trying to I feel
like, look at it from a tactical situation, because I mean, the
king is he's a goofball. He's immature. Yeah, he's not supposed to
be king. Yeah no, no, no, definitely not. And Allison
does, I mean she she's she doesn't carry it, but she's having she's
emostally compromised too though, right because he even said, like that's a tough
thing of like she was best friends with Raniera, and even then she knows
that Vissari's wouldn't want like his grandkids, his brother and daughter all killed,
right, so were her high Tower is very much in like he's a clinical
looking at this, like if we want to survive, these people have to
die, and he we like they should talk about that Multipon's episode. He's
throwing so much shade at her any chance he gets, even though like she
is right like Aiman is to blame for some of this, but he's like,
oh, yeah, we would have handled this so much better. That
Davesaria's passed away and obviously we'll get that conversation. But I think he looks
at the moment, I think Aiman's similar to that extent. I think there's
still little emotion because he would rather be king. But the same NIGHTE like
he's kind of accepted. Even at the end of last season he hint said
that he'd like to But well, I guess we don't know now because I
was gonna say before he couldn't be king because there's a son, but there
is no longer a sun Air. So technically if Eggon were to die,
would go to Aimin, which can make things interesting as far as their dynamic
there, but imperium formally blue Wolf, I like that you got a prince
thing going on there to be fair? Was that not merciful only to end
the sun? If my son ended the way he was, I would have
ended both kids as revenge, not just want to go full areas mad king
burn them all. So I guess I kind of get it's tough, right
because in the real world, I don't know, that's maybe not a conversation
I want to have, like somewhere to kill, like here you go kill
all their kids. So looking at from a Game of Thrones out was a
dreg in perspective to me, it's almost like they still won't be political.
So if word goes throughout the world, right, King's Landing, that hey,
Ranieri's son got killed, but she took one of their sons. I
think people would look at that as like a political that's fair, Like it
is a son for a son, So I feel like that is kind of
a well you did it, so they do it back. I think if
she were to go full you know, kill a bunch of people at King's
Landing, kill everybody, kill all these shows that had nothing to do with
it, and even then that's what's gonna be the different dynamic because I think
if she would have killed Amon again, she'd get that pass of well,
that guy killed her son, so like that's all fair in love of war,
right, but now you killed a child in its crib. Also the
one high Tower, the one person house of Green that has literally nothing to
do about this war. She's talking about her bugs, she's talking about rats.
She's like, but she's not done anything, right, She's guilty,
not at all. She doesn't she's not been shown to have like an evil
heart, the princess here now the queen. So like that's the way war
is like the one person and the two kids that have had nothing to do.
On the High Tower, Targarian side to prepel this war are the ones
to get punished. But that's where I think it's gonna be different. And
even then I feel like, not that they wouldn't be mad, but I
almost feel like if al like if Amon got killed Alison, then they might
be mad, but they might just have to accept it as well, like
it's kind of a trade, like he screwed up so and maybe there would
be a way that you could build a bridge. But now that it's the
air and also a young child, I think that's where we'll make both sides.
You know. I think obviously they could say it's an accent, but
still I think it's gonna get things a lot more rasht up now if it
was just Aiman, you know, yeah, absolutely. Oh you touched on
something very very interesting there that I want to follow a girl the high towers
Aim in the air. Oh good lord, I'm not gonna remember it.
Son for a son I fry. Oh oh yeah, I think a lot.
Yeah, along those lines of Sun first Sun, I was actually surprised
that Rinierro was not holding any kind of I guess kind of anger towards the
house Brathian for just kind of allowing that kind of chaos to unfold there because
that could come though, that could come later, right, and I hope
it does. And maybe that would play into why I or I don't know
the backstory, and I know that the books definitely cover the sort of thing,
but I feel like, hey, that would make a sense towards a
stepping stone as to why Robert Brathian leads a rebellion against the Targarians down the
road whenever that happens, right, because maybe the Brathians are looked at as
being kind of you know, you guys, look what you did. You
fucked over the house Targarian here. So but that's different though, because they're
both house Stargarians. So which one would be going after? Right, because
technically the people on the throne are the Targarians. True, his daughter is
betrothed to aim In one of them, now, so that's what's going to
be interesting. Now, does he turn or do they just get them all
up? Like, I don't know if we're gonna even get that far,
but that is the current situation that Amy is supposed to marry one of his
daughters. So yeah, so I don't know, Yeah, we can let's
see, Yeah, we'll probably circle back, but uh yeah, Imperian up,
that's a good one to bring up. Kristen. Christian Kristen called Christian
Cole gets mad because he is Ranier's whore. Then literally one season later,
he is Alison's horror. And that's what I liked about talking about threads that
were picked up is the whole season once they did the age jump, you
could feel attention between between Sir Cole and Allison. But I liked because that's
one of the reasons she had a big issue with Ranier that Raynier just couldn't
fulfill her duty and not cheat on her husband or yet. So I like
that Allison still hit the high ground. But the second Visaries is uh gone.
She's getting her sald tossed by mister Sir Cole there and uh yeah,
but he's like a perfect bitch character, Like he's the bitch character you want
to see kind of die because you know, and I guess, like,
but we'll see though, because he's lying because he's not supposed to have sex
with anybody as a man of the cloth. But I think his issue with
Raniro was not trying to defense or co Sir Cole, but trying to get
in his mindset she was gonna be married having kids and he didn't want to
be the other man. We're technically taking out his nightws. He's not doing
that though with her right, her husband's dead, she's a widow, she's
a free woman, she's single, he's single, So he's not a horror
technically in that sense. I think in his head canon. That's how I
can see him justifying that. Now, if they revealed that they've been getting
on since Vesaris has been alive, then yes, but I don't think they
were because last season they never showed them have sex, and now they've showed
them have sex twice after Visarius is dead. So I think that's his way
of getting through that is he's not a whore technically because he can be with
her. Mabe think about how close this is after though Visarius' death right,
and she says or something, yeah, and she said no, not again.
This can't happen again. So when she said that, I think,
Okay, they absolutely have been doing this, probably for the past the past
little bit, and really I thought that was the first time, So that's
why I thought she was again. I took it as that they've they that
whole experience between them, Like I felt like, no, these guys,
they know what they're doing with each other. I feel like, Okay,
this has been in the works for all chat let us know. Do you
think it was the first time or multiple times they made chat let us know.
I'm tyl and I are divided, so uh. And that led to
a really good conversation because it's so funny because Sir Cole trained Aiman, and
he trained his bass and everything, and I feel like Amon was trying really
hard to get Sir Cole and the like Allison like she's not with it,
like she's not right to be helping us lead get to done. Circle just
keeps trying to make the excuse like oh, she's got a great heart and
she's looking out for the best of you. But AMA's like, no,
no, I don't think that's the way it should go. So it's funny,
and I don't obviously I don't think he knows what's going on. So
I did like that dynamic of a and almost like bumping on the should like
yeah, my mom, like she's not great hey, and calls in like
this very awkward situation, like what does he do so yeah, I enjoyed
that dynamic and then what a what a terrible way for Uh, obviously the
secrets out and bud Girl's not gonna probably spread it. But yeah, after
the kid was killed, she killed, she took the other child, ran
right in her mom's bedroom as she's a on top of heir Cole and then
says that they killed the boy and that's gonna it's gonna lead to some bad
And how do you feel near Nearer and Damon, especially Damen, like they
Dame specifically didn't say like the guy's like, oh well he said son for
a son. It felt like them justifying it. Damon didn't just say son
for a son like they specifically. He laid it out. He's like he's
blonde, he's got one eye like they They didn't just say, oh,
go take on the kids. They laid out, hey, we want you
to get aiming, and they didn't. So do you think what do they
think? Damon and them are not that they're gonna kill these guards, but
do you think they're upset and mad about this whole situation or do you think
they're kind of like, oh, that's a bummer, but at the same
time, whatever you know, Oh yeah, you know, it's bummer.
We might we fucked up. Uh uh, it's it's a pickle, I
mean, And that's I just feel like that's just Game of Thrones. To
me, this whole scenario feels like uh brand Stark creeping into the window on
UHC and Jamie and then Jamie just fucking pushes him out the window. Right.
It's just it feels like it's just this is exactly like one of those
situations and and Game of Thrones. That's just like, fuck, I can't
believe this is going on. And yeah, the fact that like they didn't
even bother to look, I mean, maybe it was dark, maybe they
didn't really identify it properly, and they just, I don't know, they
were just looking for a male targarian at this point with white hair. I
think that's the only thing that they were looking for. And they were panicking
because they're like, oh, we're not supposed to be here, right,
and yeah, getting sloppy intense, So they obviously were just the confer anything
at that point. I think Damon won't care. He'll still be mad that
it's not Aimen, but he'll still want to kill me, be like well,
whatever, we send a message or I think'nia will have some more
pain about that. And I did really really like the touch of often when
they were doing the funeral, Allison was like letting candles for the people that
died, and she did write a light one for Raniera's son. So I
like that because again it shows that again Alison. Last season, Vassaris thought
he was talking to Rania told her to do something, and it was actually
Allsen, so she mistoked that, but in her mind she's not lying.
Vissaris told her to make Eggon king right, they both have a child named
Eggon. But she thought she's doing the right thing. And again it is
tough to believe her. As he was on his deathbed, no one was
around, and you're saying this, So I feel like she, even if
she feels she's right and that was true, there's probably still a part of
her that thinks maybe I even shouldn't have said anything. You know, I
could just let her because if there probably would have been some tension and maybe
this could have all these happened. But I wonder what the what if scenario
is if We'renier does just become the queen. Now they always said, oh,
they'll be in fighting because it's a woman taking the crown, but that
could also be the start of change, So there has to be some weigh
on that that if I didn't say that, her child would still be there.
And at this point now it's just her child. So it's like this
person that was my former best friend and I still want to give the chance
life. Now I'm responsible for the death or a son. This is awful.
Now it's gonna be two full. It's like, now you're kind of
responsible the death of your ground child, right, Like you didn't do it
directly, but your actions led to this. And I'm excited to see and
curious. It sounds it sounds weird being excited, but to hear and just
see the reaction of the the greenhouse and auto and everything, it's gonna be
Yeah, it's not. It's not gonna go well because this is like a
the other one was a child too, It's like a toddler, right,
so yeah, yeah, yeah, Supermanma says Alson is such a wonderfully emotionally
conflicted character. I love how much they add to her character. And here
Concarris in the book, the MVP of the episode, I think I would
agree because she's got lots of layers going on and stuff. So no,
I agree with that one Alison, because Alison is like, she's not the
Circe villain where she's not doing it just for power. Circe always felt like
she was using her family by proxy to get power. I do feel like
Alison does care about others and her family. She wants to win, but
I feel like she does. Like we're talking about the Otto, she's still
very you know, she says like, even if it, you know,
ends with people dying or disappearing, but it's not that she says like that's
not something I want to happen, it's just knowing it's gonna happen. So
I think she's a very layered character. I enjoy that as far as well.
I guess antagonists up to you. I'm definitely I'm definitely team Black,
but uh so she's my antagonist. I guess yeah, I'm team Black as
well. I'm waiting for the next time here she's gonna whip her socks off
and we're gonna get one of those nice scenems kind of because it seems like
that guy still doing her dirty work, right, Like oh, I did
a whole interview of the staff, and I replaced with people I killed.
The guilty people don't share the same their Yeah, just killed them, Like
what if some of those were friends and they were innocent like that, And
that happened multiple times last season where he did just kill him and she's like,
that's not exactly what I want to do, and yeah, if people
don't remember they he would do a favor for her and she would like show
his feet and then eventually he would touch himself to her feet. He's at
foot fetish. That's fine, but now I'm very curious, like because he
clearly wants to be the hand, right, that's what he's trying. I
feel like with egg On, and he's trying to already say like oh yeah,
like you're you're king, Like he was a very good man, but
he kind of had a reputation of being kind of weakly right, like not
wanting to have a confrontation, not wanting to do wars, and it's he
kind of insitumated like oh yeah, Auto, your grandfather really gone his head,
like and he was his hand and now he's your hand, so kind
of trying to show like what's the type of king you're going to become,
because that's something I'm going a little tangent here. But that's what took me
off guard was we thought, okay, he got the crown. He is
a shit ki character. We thought this is gonna be kind of Jeoffrey number
two, right, But he is to an extent because I think he's probably
give me an asshole. He's gonna be violent. They've shown me for that.
He's like abused women physically and sexually. But what I was surprised is
when he sat down for his first uh oh god, what were petitions?
I was surprised how much he was And I'm not saying, oh, he's
a good guy, pay you back and yeah, and pay people before and
everything. I did not think that's what they were gonna go with that character.
I thought they were gonna sit down and he was just gonna be Jeffrey
two point of like shitty to everybody, right, But he wasn't. At
first. He was trying to be like a good king. But that is
a problem with a honest he was not preparing to be king. So he's
just not good at this because like, sure, give the guy a sheep
and now that dragons have no food, like, okay, sure give it
this goal, but then what happens if something else comes up? So I
liked that kind of little note on his character that he wasn't just Okay,
he's gonna be a creepy asshole the whole time. I think he still will
be for the most part. But again, that is that's what I was
trying to say with the guy I can't remember his hand, that his name,
the guy that has the broken or the stubble foot. He was using
that as an example right where three times he wanted to do something as king
and Auto shot him a look or advised him otherwise. So I think he's
gonna keep saying that Otto's really holding him back and show the examples of he's
not really calling the shots like Auto and his mama. And I do think
Auto will uh not be the hand definitely. I don't even know by the
midway point, but for sure by the end of the season, I think
the other guy will be the hand. Do you agree or do you think
that? I think so. And I think he was implying too well.
They didn't confirm it that he had leverage over Alice said because when Alison came
out of the meeting. He's he approaches her obviously and he's like, oh,
you know, your assistant said you were predisposed. Yeah, like he
knows what he knows what Cole is doing to her. Yeah, And that's
why I wanted too. Is the hand or him any more power? I
wonder is that just like a gonna have bad effects on Allison or is this
guy also gonna be like I gotta get rid of Circle, you know,
Like and he's the type of guy that if Circle just screws up a little
bit or does something or he's gonna indirectly get him killed. So I like
that he does that because it is just like he's very slimy. He's he's
like the slime version of little Finger. A little Finger would do this and
he was slammy, but he's way more sly and cool upon it, where
this guy's just so up front of your indisposed and you're like, he's just
laying it out like, oh, you were getting rammed and I know it,
and you know and they're but they're not dating or anything like that,
but uh, Superman Mike says he wants to be like more than Joffrey,
which I agree with Imperian says, it's not that Jeffrey did not care if
he was liked, and Jeffrey was so crazy to lod that he thought he
has a right to be loved, so he never tried. And I agreet
that too, But I greet the initial that I think this guy kind of
wants to be king. He's not had a calling he but he is still
gonna be shooting. Cause that whole thing at the meeting with the son and
the son's fucking with the lancer's little like area and he's like egging a'm on,
So it's okay, it's that's gonna be so thing, Which that's something
we never got to see, right, was Geoffrey with kids, So that's
what's gonna be curious if also this guy is unfortunately down by one kid peering
ass. I never understood why Otto's risking or why Auto risk starting a civil
war with making an egg on king. If he wanted a high tower of
blood on the throne, why did he not just marry Jase to Helena would
have been easier, well, because I remember that's what they wanted to do
originally was in the mid season point you won't remember, say up in the
mid season point where a lot of people were questioning, you know, the
Bastards and the lineage of her nearest kids. She had pitched their kids to
marry Alison inversaries, but they had turned that down and Alison had some sort
of convlt like it's kind of like a rap backed in a corner. So
they didn't take it, and that's why eventually were nearest kids went to go
marry the the Valerians, that's why they're together. So I think it's just
because I guess you're right where technically it was like, yeah, Helena would
I'm on the throne. I think it's just that he like it's it sounds
bad, but not really because in that time I feel like he wanted one
of his male grandkids to like he wanted the He wanted a male grandchild to
be there the proper way in back there. I think he just wanted the
power and he wanted I think in the direct way where the same way as
Damon right. He we've seen a little bit the end of last season.
I think more this season where it's gonna crack him, that he might end
up being king. But he's never king because he's king, he's king by
proxy. It would be Rnaera as queen and then whoever she picks as her
partner to be king. So it's the same way as Helena. Sure she
would have been queen and may if they had a son, that son,
the High Tower son would become the king. But it's still like Helene is
there by proxy or just by by choice, by choice, it's not necessity.
Where at the Vesari's first born with Venerian, then it would have been
her kids like they were the rightful Era. So I think it's just I
think it's just a power trip with Otto and to have that power and you
know, everything like that. So mm hmm. Yeah. And I think
Auto really put all his chips on the fact that he was able to control
Alison twhich he did, yeah, but obviously she got older and then Visara's
side and he wasn't able to control the grandkids as well as he thought.
And you even get that that tense moment with him and aimand right, yeah,
so who before I did not think last season there was much tension there.
So now it's just because he's like, oh, why are you making
plans without us and stuff, so already yeah, yeah who Colin shots like
we need to do this stuff, this stuff, and yeah, Auto's getting
getting kind of freaked out. But I think that's another reason too, why
something will happen to Auto, you think so, I think so, I
got a I'm just wondering, like how far we're gonna get here? But
like, can we see Auto pass away? Because it's it's again, it's
foot fetish guy. Is I remember the family that's like, you know what,
like grandfather, I'm done with you? And then does something. Yeah,
I don't know if he's gonna die because if you difect this one in
an episode, I really hope not because I really like Auto. I love
Ry, like I've talked about it, He's a great character actor. So
I think I would prefer Eggon to ask him for his pin back because I
think there's way more drama there and I'd like to see because I still would
like to see Auto scheming, and that's one thing I think they start realized,
and that's where I think Auto would realize it. The Lasser character,
I think was starting to realize it where they were fine for this coup,
they were fine to make him the king, because that's the lineage that's always
men. But I feel like there's a few people starting to be like man
some buyers remorse, so maybe we should like we shouldn't have done that.
We don't agree with Nia, but she wouldn't be like, ah, like
yeah, give him a piggyback ride, like and I feel like we're near
it. Same thing, like they said Vincei's was like much more cautious,
right, and he tried to be a man of the people. And that's
where I think Rnera would have tried to go that way and not saying Aggon
wasn't by just mean like I think Reniera would have had a better grip on
our grasp on the politics and what to do and how to do it.
She would have had like Damon, who has politics or that way or history
of that politics were egg on the whole show. He's just been like getting
drunk and like having sex with prostitutes and everything. Like he's not at any
bit to be kings. That's why I wonder, or I wonder if it's
something like auto, I don't think he would like is he gonna try and
plan like Egon's death so he get aim in there, but like we said,
Amen and him don't seem to be in the best spot either. So
that's the best thing. That's where Game thrones with his best. That's why
if you don't watch the Boys, we talk about check out the Boys.
When you have these even just these three groups of characters of Alison, Auto
and Eggon, it's like there's so many different variables of how which way could
go, and all of them they've made them all made sense because it's not
just random. You could see it'd be a like a very tough blow.
It's his grandfather or its grandchild. But I could see some multiverse where he
does decide how we got to take egg On out, so Aimen could be
the right But then, like I said, there's problem's egg On or aim
And so that's why I love There's so many motivations and they all feel justified
right now other route, you know. So yeah, let's see here.
So we talked about Auto. We talked about the guy I want to be
the hand to. Yeah, that was all he was there. He was
being creepy. Alse I'm trying to think there's anything we missed. She did
talk about how the the Boys are starting to trust her less because she won
Auto sawp like talking down to her and bringing up again that you know,
might have been her issue that started the war. So that's gonna be interesting
because that's something again where when we saw them, they were, for the
most part, would listen to her. So bug lady, not so much
trying to think, is there anything else you have on Alson or any touch
point we haven't talked about. I don't think so her in Circle, does
Circle make it out the season? I think he'll make it out and in
season three he'll be someone else's whore. Really, i'd love to see him
go back to Vernier somehow, go back. I don't think. I don't
think that'll happen. I mean there's always a chance. There's always a chance,
I'm telling you because Damon's gonna fuck up. Damon's getting worse and worse
because he I thought for sure he was gonna have sex with the White Snake
Lady or something again because they used to get it on season one, and
he's like Auto, which is so funny because they dislike each other. But
I feel like any chance Damon has an opportunity to say like, yeah,
Ronewer's just very uh no, like she's very uh preoccupied right now. He
uses different words, but he almost just try to insinuate, like that's why
I love his auntie. The Princess was just like she just lost the son,
like she gets some time to grieve. But he's almost using that as
like a clutch of oh, well, she's she's mourning her son, so
this is weak and she's not doing the right thing, you know. So
that's where maybe when she ordered the deaf and Amn maybe thought, Okay,
we're getting a little more. But that was at the end of last years.
In the last episode, he did like put his hands on her.
So I feel like he's slowly starting to slip because again multiple characters said like,
well, you're not the king, so you can't make that call.
And I think he's just he's getting mad. I feel like him and Auto
in the same position. Auto's getting mad because he feels like they should have
striked earlier. I feel like Damon just feels like the more time they waste,
the more likely they're gonna lose. You know. He's just like begging
to get this war starred and everything. So they're kind of the same coin
there. But I don't know what's gonna happen with the White Snake prostitute lady?
If I know, she puts some feelers out there, but I don't
know if she's still there, they send her back on boat, I don't
know. Yeah, everything's transactional for her, as we learned in this this
episode. But you're right with with Damon, he's he's trying so hard just
to kind of take care of business. And Princess. I can never say
her name, right, Rhinus, I never know. I think it's Rainus,
Yeah, Rainus. Yeah. So like you're just you're flying doing your
patrols and you're just you're beat. You've just done like triple overtime and you
you you're about to clock out in your boss. Yeah, we're going.
When we're landing, we've got two dragons like just too just ready to go,
like when you were rather so wait back for Nier to come back to
you. So there's three dragons, Like I just feel like if you're gonna
because the kings landing is ready, obviously it was Aimons dragons, so it's
fine. But the second they saw a dragon, I'm not saying they would
win. Like even look at what happens in Game of Thrones, the dragon
does even Wondering did a lot of damage at King's landing, right, so
it's like, no matter how big the buildings are, but they did have
every guard ready, every fucking harpoon gun or whatever those things are called,
like they were ready for if a dragon comes, we gotta take it out.
So it's it. I feel like you would need that that third dragon.
So I think he's just he's just itching for fighting. We'll see.
Yeah, I don't think him and Rainier are going to be in a good
place come the uh the end of the season, because Damon just he kind
of get obsessed with power there. So he's got a new dragon too,
right, because we saw it in the end of the last season. Yes
he does, Yeah he was. We didn't see that in this episode,
did we, No, we didn't. So I think it' supposed to be
a biger one. I I think it's as big as one Amon has,
but it's still uh still big one because I think Amens is like the biggest
in the West Rows. Yeah, so I sure don't think there's any anything
else with these these people on the dragon. So, oh that's what I
was gonna ask. So last season uh to like I can't remember his name
was. I think it's lit l Rooor or something. But the princess and
then the the sea captain of the Seer serpent whatever they think, the sea
snake. Yeah, obviously their son was married to Raniera, and I don't
know if you remember they faked his death because he was gay and they weren't
really in love, yes, and he wanted to get out of there.
But then also Raniera wan to marry Damon for more power, and they're like,
well, he has to be dead because in that culture, as her
being the queen, I don't think she could take on a second husband.
So they still think because she they talked about it, right, the princess
talked about oh, like she found out death by a raven and even uh
Damon said to them like, oh and what would happen if you acted on
it? Pretty much? Isn't sending away like you would have killed us and
we wouldn't the allies. Now do you think I don't think it'd be Damon
because I don't think Damon gives as much shit. But do you think Brenieri
is gonna uh reveals at least her, if not both the parents that their
son is alive, even if they can't go finally be with them. I
just feel like with Brenier actually losing a child and a son, she might
go man. For years, we made them think that their kid, we
killed their kid, and now I know that pain and just to relieve them
a little bit of hey, he's not here and you're never gonna see him
again, but he did. He leave here like alive with his partner and
hopefully he's happy. Do you think we get there? Do you think they
take that to the grave, the faked death scenario. I think they'll bring
that back in like season six. Oh my god. I don't think we'll
bring that back any anytime soon as I would like that. No, I
think that she just lost. You don't think she's gonna I think it's gonna
happen next few episodes. She's gonna reveal them like we didn't do that,
and I feel really sorry that we thought. No, I don't think she'll
go there. I think that her mind right now is just she's just set
on on aimed, and that's that's It's gonna change even more when she realizes
like, oh shit, the wrong one's dead, Like yeah, the fuck.
So I think she's really like she's really got her attention and focus distracted
right now onto other things, and that that happened a while ago too,
right, So she's probably I think, put that in the past because she's
they haven't shown it, but it's still her son though, So I just
feel like that that's a oh yeah. But even though the fact that yes,
she was married to this guy and they had to bastard children together.
Yeah, uh, that was a long time ago, and I feel like
she definitely moved on because she's had kids with Damon. Right. We haven't
really seen these children, but just like I think they're like a baby and
two or three, Like they're both very tiny and stuff. Yeah, and
she just had like want her latest birth didn't go so well either, right,
Yeah, she lost her son and miscarriage in the same episode. So
it was a very bad twenty to seventy two hours. Yeah, and that's
why I know they won't strike out because even some of those grandchildren are Damon's
kids, right, so it's like there's still some there. I'm gonna say
it's gonna happen this season that Veranera will tell her or both of them the
sea serpent or whatever, the serpent king, what's his name? Snake snake?
I don't know where I'm put in some other words, I think they'll
find out just to strengthen the bond of war and appearances, which they told
about this last season. To be fair, I personally think Amen would be
a good king. He's smart, strown calculay and good warrior. And he
talked about last season where he's like he was always reading books about kings and
history. But as we see in Game of Thrones, usually the person that
should be on that throne is not the person that ends up there. So
I agree he would be the king. But that's where I think you the
show would be almost less interesting because he would be a better king, and
he'd makes smarter decisions, and maybe the al war would happen and all these
things. So even though he did, like I said, accidentally kill kid,
I do think he would be a better king there. So let's see,
let's take another ad break and then we'll be right back. All right,
we are back. I had a point of where I wanted to go,
but I forgot. So you, oh, what was going on with
the sea snake in the Where do you think that's gonna go with the guy
that hit their boat, got messed up their fixing, say this week,
and then he says, I saved you and I owe you a great debt.
Do you have an idea where you think it's gonna go. I have
no idea where that's gonna go. Intersexual? Well, you never know.
I mean, it just seems like this is kind of a new narrative that
was created. And I imagine that you have to have new stories obviously be
created at the start of the season here for for your show, and so
this just this feels like it because that's a new character. I haven't I
don't recognize him from season less, you do, you know, he's definitely
just like oh you say, because we didn't even see the Seasnake gets saved.
It was just on screen they like found him from battle or whatever,
and then it was like maybe gonna die. So we never saw any of
that stuff for him. So yeah, so here he is and he's just
like, I owe you in your pay great debt. And the guy's like,
oh, here's also this thing that came and he's like, oh,
I commissioned this year, and he's just like this guy's just like the he's
just giving him his gifts, he's saving his lives, like he's just this
that's what I want character. Just in Game of Thrones, you never know
his son was also gay. So I just feel like they're gonna are they
gonna tie that? Not there so Mike, which I get it, I
agree, but I discreet the same time, says, for the previous conversation
we had about the revealing uh their Sun being alive, now I would risk
the lions if Rnari has found u Rain has found out they lied about their
dying or their Sun dying. I thought, I'm fifty to fifty on that
because I get that. But at the same time, they have an alliance
with them currently thinking they killed their son, So like that's where I like,
what is the best, what's the I don't know how that's the worst
scenario. They did lie, but they could also say it was his idea,
he wanted to go. So that's the thing of they are currently in
alliance and they think that Damon Emerniera killed their son and they're still a lined.
So I feel like the lie of hey, your son is still alive
could strengthen it because it's like any doubt, any worry you'd had of could
they turn? Can we trust them? Would go away with? Yeah,
sure they did lie, but at least it was to me, it's like
a good lie in a sense. You know, their son's happy, hopefully
somewhere. So m So we'll see. Let's see. So we talked about
Damien, talk about the Sea Snake, we talked about the King, we
talked about Auto, we talked about Sir Cole. Oh, is there anybody
else or any other scenes were missing from this episode that we haven't covered yet.
Oh, those villagers tried to get that dragon wing and that didn't go
well for them. Yeah, bold, very bold of them. Yeah,
to do that. I can't think of anything else any other characters. Yeah,
No, we covered Auto. Yeah, let's see the Oh. Thoughts
on the North and Kreagan Stark Oh yes, yeah, I like that.
I liked that they were kind of, you know, they're doing their prequel
thing of insinuating there's stuff behind the wall, because the very first season did
that too. But we don't often need to get too much because they're not
gonna fight the fucking Yeah, like, we don't eat that again. So
yeah, because I can't remember what other country or city they got online with
them? They got that and the House of Stark, And I know it
makes sense because I personally feel like when we watch the show, the perspective
is House of Black is they've done some bad things, but they are the
protagonists, are good guys in a sense, you could say. And I
feel like the Starks always kind of lay on the side of the viewers,
you know. That's why I kind of like that in my opinion. So,
yeah, he got like two thousand men from him, and yeah,
yeah, fair enough. He was near in the beginning and I didn't know
he was one narrating and they're showing the Raven, so I think that's like
a insinuation brawn there, because obviously the raven kind of sees all and he
could see through time and everything like that. So I thought it was like
a I thought it was a good enough opening scene. Honestly, I thought
that it was gonna start with something a bit more flashy, but it was
a bit more slower and that revealed the sun being dead because he gets note
by Raven. So I liked it, and I'm always down for Starks in
Winterville and the Wall, so I'm not sure how much we're gonna see them,
but yeah, it was good. But I was surprised it was the
very first thing of the show. Yeah, and I think it was.
I think it was clever to make it the like that that kind of like
opener there. It just really pulls you in and they know they know what
the fandom really, i'd say, wants, and people want the Starks.
People really like the Starks, and I mean there's so much story that goes
on there and so they kind of give us this this little tie in here.
Was really cool to see winter Fell again, see the Wall again,
and just yeah, this Stark kind of hinting at things beyond the wall,
like death, like we're not just here fighting against nature and savages like death
and all the allusions to that, Like I just I love I love that.
It's it's great and he's rambling on like, yeah, I can't remember
which Targarian it was, but we brought the Targarians here. They stood where
you stand now, and they're dragons. They stopped at the wall. They
wouldn't fly past. Yeah, Like, I mean, you don't got to
talk in riddles like I know that there's a war going on the Targerians are
needing your help, but you should just be up front and honest and say,
man, like the fucking world enders on the is out there somewhere,
we need just we need more support over here. And that's what he was
petitioning, right, He's saying, we can't support you your claim very well,
we have the oath and we're gonna send you two thousand men. Well,
actually it was a thousand and after the death of the prince, he
upped it to two thousand, didn't he, Because I thought it was one
thousand at first. Yeah, because when he when the Sun was talking with
Vernier, he did say two thousand and so yeah, I guess I got
up there. So that would have been a good pitch, like he shod
another raven coming after and say another person was like killed, like oh,
okay, we'll give you three thousand. Family wiped out all right, here,
here's my whole squad and everything. So yeah, I guess the only
reason they talking riddles and don't say it outright is because it is still like
a propsy slash almost urban legend in a sense, right, because it's just
Aggon had a vision about this, like the first egg On, So it's
not like a because they were talked about that last season where Raniera didn't want
to start a war because of that and she wanted just to maybe bend the
knee and whatever, and she talked about the Great War and Damon like flipped
down. That's when he choked her because he thought she's just kind of fucking
like fucking him around. And then she realized that Avisari's never told him about
the story or the Song of Fire and Night. So that's why I think
they some people be cagy about it because it's not a common thing and it's
probably some stuff that people would not believe and oh, that's just like a
fairy tale and everything. So two old men to gray beards. Hey,
old man's strength, you know, that's what they'll do. So yeah,
I think I think we covered most of it. Like I said, last
calls or any other characters scenes we haven't talked about. No, I got
nothing. Yeah, so nope, good start to the episode. Next week's
gonna be brutal. I think it was smart as far as because I still
like autos, still like aim, and I liked that both seasons we did
lose one of the kids and that's like a very powerful, impactful thing.
But it's also like two characters that did not have like a bunch of screen
time, right, So it's like we're losing characters that are important to the
plot, important to our characters, be like but to me, like losing
in Auto and Aim and a damon those would like maybe potentially hurt the show,
which I personally, I know people again love the Red Wedding. I
for me thought that actually hurt the show. I wish it would have came
to the Layer because I thought there was still lots of story with those characters,
especially Rob Stark. I thought they were not saying he had to be
in John Snow's situation. But I get why they did it for shock value.
But I think with this one it's not as bad because I don't care
about these characters as much much yet, so but I can understand the importance
to Arnier and Allison there. So yeah, yeah, So we will be
back next week. Hopefully Kirklam will be joining us because he should will be
catching up an acolyte and this we'll get to hear his thoughts episode one and
uh yeah, I think episode two is gonna be I'm wanna say an action
episode. I'm sure we'll have a little bit, but I think it's gonna
be more like depressing episode because there's gonna be a lot of talk of,
oh, well, we accidentally murdered this kid, and while your granting,
child's dead and I think i've seen the praisers looks like maybe a funeral or
something, so that could possibly go wrong. So yeah, we'll talk about
next week. We'll be back for episode two of House of Dragon, and
I promise you it will not be boring. Bye.