This is Hudson River Radio dot Com. This is Travis Walton, and you
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us. My name is Michael Wharton. This is UFO Headquarters, and of
course waiting here who was absent last month. So I am so happy to
have her back. I had to I had to fly the UFO solo last
month, but I did okay, so it did great. Thank you.
It's so good to see you, so good, thank you. It's good
to be bad. It's good to be anywhere after what I went through.
So yeah, still alive and ready to dive into some UFOs again. Missed
you guys. UM. Before we get in tonight's topic, I think we
UM, we should talk about your book a little bit because in case people
are new to the show or haven't been listening, which they should catch up
on it. UM should know that the definitive volume of Hudson Valley UFOs is
available. It's out there. It is UM a remarkable work. I mean
thank you. I know what you went through to do it, because I've
been on the hit that end too, of the pain and suffering. But
it is UM, it's truly anybody interested in UFOs, I think it's must
have in their in their collection. It's going to be a reference for for
years to come, so I think long after I'm gone hopefully. Yeah,
it's UM Hudson Valley UFOs the best evidence. And I have a funny story
about that. I was, UM, I do other podcasts. I'm sorry,
I podcast cheater UM and I was on the coast to coast and George
Nori had the book and he said, this thing is this thing is huge.
He said, if you dropped it out of a building, it would
kill someone. So wow, what a what a great endorsement. Maybe I
should put a disclaimer on the warning this book could kill you if it falls
out of a building. UM. I have to go listen to that interview.
How did it go with George? Oh went good? Good. You
know, we try. It's like you have two hours, but you don't
have two hours. Uh you know, And it was like, oh,
how am I going to get it? Because we were covering animal reactions and
the Hudson Valley. So um, but yeah it was. It was a
lot of fun. And uh, I know a lot of people are buying
my book, but could you please somebody leave leave some reviews on Amazon because
it really helps, you know. I know, if I'm going to look
for a book and nobody's reviewed it yet, you know, it's you can
be a little skeptical, so you don't have to type. I know,
people like, what am I going to write? You know, like,
oh my god, I have to write a sentence. You can at least
leave, um, you know, just press like five stars and and they're
you know, I'm assuming you like, if you don't like it, go
away, don't Yeah, yeah, don't don't leave an don't leave a review
on Amazon. But you would have to question your your your your view of
the world if you didn't like your any of your books. I mean,
just and right back at you. Yours are doing well as well, and
yeah, they're they're plugging along. I actually sold out of my first my
first round of hardcovers locally. Wow. Good. In the process of getting
another order. I have to decide it before I write my next book.
I'm going to go back to my my Richard Jennings book, okay, and
I'm gonna update it with the new information um reform at it because I want
the format to be the same as the current book and put it out as
a second edition so that all my books will follow the same format. Wow,
so you're gonna have large books that if you drop out a window you
could also Yeah. So definitely mine is what here? You go right behind
mine? My CLU serious physical injury. If it does well, we are
here to talk about UFOs tonight, so maybe maybe we should actually get into
that and tonight's And Linda, I gotta tell you when when you suggested this
topic, it dawned on me. It's how come we've never discussed this one
before. It's not something you hear a lot of, and that's I think
a lot of people are going to find it interesting because you hear about everything
else, but this is sort of you know, yeah, I you know,
because it's helicopters and UFOs if you haven't seen the the title and I
was just doing some research I don't know, a couple months ago, and
I was like, oh, that's a fascinating case and it's a you know,
involves a helicopter because you hear fighter jets and things like that. And
then I'm like, then I realized, how many cases have we heard in
the Hudson Valley that involve helicopters. So so when I put up the little
uh blurb for today's show, I said, sometimes UFOs chase helicopters, and
sometimes helicopters chase UFOs. So we have a couple of those cases tonight.
So let's let's dive in. We're going back to nineteen seventy three October,
and what was going on in October seventy three. There was a little case
called Pascagoula. If you're not familiar with that, look that up Mississippi October
eleventh, Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker, and we could do a show on
that. But Calvin Parker is still alive. And nobody does the Pascagoula case
better than the man who lived it. Um, so I recommend you.
Um he did some good shows on podcast UFO and other shows like that.
So great entity abduction case. But just one week later, seven days later,
October eighteenth, nineteen seventy nine, we're going to Texas. Umh,
no, excuse me, We're not going to Texas. That's another case.
We're going to Ohio near Mansfield, Ohio, which I know will ring a
bell with you. The Mansfield Reformatory. Yes, very haunted location. And
by the way, I've been there, you haven't, so we're both ways.
So so October eighteenth, nineteen seventy three Army Reserve you H one helicopter
was being flown by Lawrence Coin. Also when this crew was Lieutenant OReGO Jesse,
Sergeant John Healy, and the crew chief was Robert Yanisk. They had
left port Cleveland Airport, had gone to Columbus, and they were having routine
medical exams. So this was no big deal. You know, you get
in the helicopter, your fly to Columbus, you get your exams. They're
on their way back. It's about ten thirty pm and they're heading back toward
Cleveland, so can't get much more routine than that. Except about eight miles
east of Mansfield, the crew chief, Robert Yanisk, observed a bright,
bright light off to the right. You know, there's other certainly it's Ohio,
going to be a lot of air traffic, but this looked difference different
out on the eastern horizon. They were flying. The helicopter was flying north
at about twenty five hundred feet and the pilot again, Coin, look at
that coy n E for those you want to look it up. This light
is pacing the helicopter. It's going parallel to it on the right side,
and they're just curious because they can't identify it doesn't doesn't look like familiar air
traffic. Then it gets a little worrisome because this light starts heading towards them,
and at the same altitude they're moving at about ninety knots. They estimate
this object is heading towards them at about six hundred knots. I don't know
if you would panic, but be a little concerned at this point, like,
what the hell is this coming at me? You know, come at
us so fast. So the co pilot, Jez, he's in the left
seat. He can't see the object and he had been flying at that point.
So Coin takes over the controls because well, here's in his own words,
I took the controls from Jesse because I thought it was going to hit
us. I braced for impact. I pushed the collective down. Let me
stop right there. In a helicopter. The two main controls are the collective
and the cyclic. The collective is for going up essentially altitude up and down,
so he pushed the collective down. He's trying to dive essentially as best
you can in a helicopter because he thinks they're all about to die by.
You know, you don't have a good chance of floating down to Earth if
you get hit and disabled. You know your helicopter is disabled. So he
starts to descend. I then looked at the altimeter. It was showing seventeen
hundred feet. Okay, so they were at twenty five hundred feet. He's
brought them down to seventeen hundred feet to hopefully have this thing missed them.
At this point, they contact the tower at the Mansfield Airport, like,
what the hell is that coming at us? But for some reason reason the
communications are garbled and interfered with so coincidence, I think not. I think
not exactly. So then he goes on to say the object seemed to be
descending with the helicopter as the helicopter came down. The object came down,
but it was still headed for our road side, as if to hit the
helicopter from the right side. So he starts to you know, coin At
this point, obviously they're all fearing for their life. They think they're about
to crash. He starts evasive maneuvers. Um crew chief yanisek he he is
terrified about a mid air collision at this point. Um. But then something
very strange happened. The object goes around to the front of the helicopter,
slightly above it and stops. And that's a good trick. Yeah, stops
in midair. Yes, there you go. At this time, and this
again is the quote, a light came and swung around ninety degrees toward the
helicopter. It came through the lexiglass, and the entire cabin turned green from
the light. Store that green light there, Yes, that's the whole light
is. The whole cabin is bathed in green light from an object stopped in
front of you. That almost hits you. Yeah, a little nervous at
this point. Yeah, you're sweating bullets. Perhaps you're probably saying a few
prayers your bath. Yeah. The light was pyramid shaped that beamed down and
came through the front of a helicopter. And this is another from Healey.
He said, this was just a humongous green light shooting down on us.
A very definite cone shape to the light, so it wasn't just a big,
broad, random beam. You could look at the light and actually see
the beam. Okay. At this point in this light, which they think
is a few seconds long, they see the craft is. Depending on the
angle, either looks like a cigar or a disc. So I guess whether
you're seeing it on the side, it's tilted a little, a red light
at the nose, a dome on top. It's solid metallic structure, and
the lights are reflecting off the structure, and it was solid. You could
not see stars through this craft. So it's a solid metallic object with incredible
bizarre flight characteristics beaming a light on them. Okay, so remember he had
that collective down. They are in the configuration of descending and rather rapidly,
and it's impossible for a helicopter unless there's this huge updraft or a star Trek
tractor beam to lift the helicopter. However, in a matter of a couple
of seconds, the helicopter goes from seventeen hundred feet to thirty five hundred feet.
Now, if you're on an elevator, you feel right, you feel
something going up. They felt nothing. Their stomachs should have been on the
cabin floor right, right, almost two thousand feet in a matter of seconds,
right, they should have definitely been aware of that physical sensation. Yes,
so it stops, the craft stops. It's got this green light.
It's pulling the helicopter up towards it again. That has to be terrifying.
And just when they think all right, we're probably goners the craft to the
beam, the green beam goes off and the craft in a heartbeat, shoots
off to the west and is absolutely gone. So when they land, you
would imagine they have some stories to tell, but this is Army Reserve.
They're probably not big on, you know, people telling stories. But Coin
realized this was too important. He just had the crap scared out of him.
His crew was in danger, he reports, He talks to the media
right away, he goes soon after, he goes on Dick Cavitt. You
can go go to YouTube look up the Coin, the Coin incident, helicopter
incident. He did not give the military any chance to bury the story,
which kudos to him. That took some guts. That took some guts,
Yeah, absolutely did. But you know, he was highly trained. There
was over twenty years of experience amongst the four crew members. So you know,
how else how do you explain this? What what kind of craft can
pull up a helicopter in a couple of seconds? And you know, Linda,
I think it's important for the listeners. I know you have been on
helicopters and I've had of being on them a couple of times in as a
police officer. They are completely different than being on an airplane. It is
not the same experience. I mean I certainly wasn't piloting them, but they
were not anything close to flying, even on a small airplane like one of
those little puddle jumpers. I mean right, So to think how you know
how easily susceptible they are to the you know, the air currents, you
feel it a lot more. It's certainly had me grabbing the first time it
took off. I was grabbing that seat a little hard. For a couple
of minutes, I realize was okay, this is normal, but it's you
know, it's I've flown dozens and dozens of times and airplanes. It's a
different experience. I can't imagine you're in this helicopter number one. It's small,
it's cramped, not a lot of there's no real room. You know,
you're wearing a helmet or they've got their communication system is all you have
and you're you feel everything. So for them, I mean, you're getting
pulled several thousand feet within seconds. And to have that experience and not have
them even feel it, like just all of a sudden, we're here at
one thousand and ruppit three thousand. I mean, you're going to feel that
under any other condition. So what what kind of technology was this? You
know, how would they have this ability? Yeah? And so fast too.
It wasn't a gradual thing. It's like boom, there there you are.
So I do have to mention the official stance is that it was a
meteor. I mean yeah, because meteors paced helicopters and have tractor beams to
pull them up. Well, at least it wasn't swamp gats or venus.
Yeah, I guess, I guess. But how stupid is that? But
you know, he could say, oh, it was a hoax with these
four guys decide to get together and play a joke, which would be really
bad idea in the Army reserve. But there were other witnesses. Fortunately,
so like the Governor of Ohio around this time saw a UFO vertical amber light.
So the governor himself saw something. That same night. Nearby, Lee
Kaiser and his sister were in their backyard. They saw an oval object with
red lights. Then everything was bathed in green light. So remember the cockpit
was filled with green light. They're standing in their backyard near Man's Field and
everything turns green. Okay, so that's a pretty good substantiation. Jean Elias
is, she's in bed. She lives six miles from Mansfield Airport. She
hears a low loud helicopter. You know, she hears traffical air traffic all
the time. She knows this is not normal. She's afraid that this helicopter
is going to crash. So she does the only same thing. She hides
her head under the pillow because clearly that's good, that's the best protection for
that. But she pulls her head out of the pillow because her son John
in his bedroom is yelling that his bedroom has suddenly lit up with a green
light. So CUFO is busy that night again Mansfield area green light again.
Um, several people Brian Stevens, Glenn Stout and a couple of coworkers watched
this alighted object and in their words, they thought it was going to collide
with a helicopter. So people on the ground seeing the green light, they're
seeing the UFO and they also thought this object. So these guys were you
know, these uh army, the crew on the on the helicopter that they
told the truth and they were corroborating witnesses on the ground. And last a
woman by the name of Judas Ham. She said she almost screamed because she
thought two planes were about to crash, so she also saw it. So
this is there's there's so much, you know, to get into with this
case, but I love it because they are credible pilots who thought their lives
were in danger, you know, did the right thing, evasive maneuver,
you know, invasive maneuvers, and then had the guts to start talking to
the media immediately. And you know, we've had this conversation many times.
Military pilots, Number one, they're highly trained. They don't just put anybody
behind the controls of you know, multimillion dollar helicopters or airplanes. Right,
this doesn't happen you know, these are men who and women who have been
extremely well trained, their experienced, they know what they're seeing. He's you
know, it's not his first flight, right, and I'm sure he would
know a meet here versus a green light. And you know, we're talking
in nineteen seventy three. Today, if a military personnel came I Ford and
said hey, I saw something, it would be like, oh, okay,
yeah, cool, yeah, what happened. But in nineteen seventy three,
that just didn't happen. That that's to me enhances the credibility because they
had a lot to lose, not much to gain. You weren't you weren't
certainly getting famous here from it. And when you have other witnesses corroborating it
in that area seeing the same object, the same light, how do you
chalk up you know, how do you blame it on a meteor? Yeah,
and it's questioning intelligence. What do you saying about your pilot if that's
the official response? Exactly? Exactly. Yeah. So altogether, this I
think is one of the most important cases. If you were, you know,
put together a list of best evidence cases U s see. This is
the kind of thing. This drives me nuts with the new UH government to
UFO task Force, study group or whatever that I want to look at anything,
you know, any of the old cases. They might want to check
this one out. Um, you have four competent crew members, you have
ground witnesses. Um, can you prove what it was? Do you have
you know, high tech flear you know images or anything? You know?
No, but it's certainly something that builds the case that fifty years ago this
stuff was going on and and big time. So UM, I think this
is a good point to take our first break. I actually kind of forgot
we have breaks that it was hard to take this story. I know,
how do you how do you stop? So Neil? You know, flag
us down if we go off the off the reservation here. But well,
we'll be right back after this short break. Hudson River Radio dot Com.
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the fascinating case, UM, but now we have another equally interesting case.
Flenda. And again, if you're just tuning in, this is all about
helicopters and UFOs. You hear a lot about pilots. You know commercial pilots,
fighter pilots, but you don't often hear about the helicopter encounters. And
I believe Linda the next story, we're going to turn the tables on the
UFO a little bit exactly. First case, UFOs after helicopters. Now we're
going helicopters after UFOs. And this is we're going back to December twenty ninth,
nineteen eighty. And that might ring end of December nineteen eighty might ring
a bell with some people out there. There was two days earlier a case
known as Rendelsham so over in England. So it's just interesting to see how,
you know, we had Pascagoula a week before the coin incident. May
just be coincidence, but it's curious to see how some of these major cases
are within days or weeks of one another. So this one, we are
going to Texas and we have Betty Cash, Vicky Landrum and vicky seven year
old son grandson. Excuse me, Kolby. Now they were trying to find
a place to play bingo, go to a bingo hall, but apparently Monday's
bingo halls are closed. This was not knowledge I was aware of, but
I don't know they still have being go halls or they just do it at
casinos now, I think, you know, I think a lot of places
doing like firehouses, senior centers and oh okay, okay, I think it's
still got a big following, you know. Okay, So too bad they
didn't find a bingo hall because they ran into a bit of trouble. They
were driving from New Caney to Dayton, Texas, driving an olds cutlass.
It's about nine pm, and they see a light and figure it out.
It's just you know, normal jet or something air traffic from Houston Airport.
But it's moving closer and closer, and the closer it gets, they realize
it's glowing red quote like heated metal. So the subject looks superheated and it's
diamond shape. There aren't many UFOs diamond shape. I think I can think
of maybe five offhand. You know, there's certainly more, but right a
rare. That's a rare, rare shape for sure. So it's a glowing
red diamond shape, very very low and as if that isn't bad enough,
flames are coming out underneath it. I would probably turn around and punch the
accelerator. Well, Colby's very scared. Um. But Vicky, who was
very religious, tells her grandson that's Jesus. He will not hurt us.
Um. Well, that's an interesting interpretation. Um. But it turns out
it was not Jesus. Um. Betty stops the car about one hundred and
thirty feet away. She wanted to get a better look. Now, if
there's something glowing red hot, spitting flames, don't get out of the car.
No, right, No, I've gotten my good enough look. I'm
not getting a second. Yes, I have my little ones with me.
Yeah, so Betty's just here. She gets out of the car. She
feels extreme, extreme burning heat, so she tries to get back into the
car. She grabs the car handle, burns her hand. It's so hot
she has to use her coat to open the car. That's the kind of
heat, you know, get away. The interior of the car was so
hot that when Vicky put her hand on the dashboard, it left an impression.
It was probably, you know, like a plastic vinyl type thing.
Right. That's so, the plastic was so hot it was pliable. Colby
is the only smart one. He's trying to hide under the dashboard, which
probably protected him from what I am assuming was some sort of radiation as we
will as we will see, So the craft starts to move up off and
this is when the helicopters appear and encircle the craft. All right, we
are not talking one, two, or even ten helicopters. They counted twenty
three. And these are just not ordinary little you know thing. These are
the large twin rotor chinooks. You don't know what, Yeah, you know
what a rotor at the huge they're huge. Yeah. Who has chinooks?
Well the military and who right, who else would have twenty three chinooks to
encircle a UFO. Okay. Some people speculate it was an experimental craft gone
wrong and they were escorting it somewhere. I don't, you know, whatever
the case is. Clearly this is a military operation. Now these chinooks and
chinooks and craft finally move off. Other people saw there was a police officer,
Lamar Walker. He and his wife, They saw twelve helicopters in the
area, so they didn't see the whole but you know, certainly corroborated Betty
and Vicki's account, and others saw a diamond shaped craft with flames coming out
of it. In fact, one man, Jerry McDonald, described the flames
as like in a settling torch. So either this craft was poorly constructed or
it was in distress something you shouldn't have, you know, burning flames coming
out of a craft at at low altitudes. So they saw that this whole
thing took about twenty minutes. They go home, you know, the crafts
move off. They go home that night, all three of them, burning
sensation in their eyes and skin, headaches, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea.
Betty more so because she's the one who got out. She went to the
hospital and the doctor, her doctor, a doctor McClelland, was sure she
had been exposed to ionizing radiation. Her hair was falling out, she was
too weak to walk, her fingernails started falling out, her skin was blistering,
She had blisters in her eyes, in her mouth. Sounds a lot
like radiation poisoning. Yeah, rightes, Yeah, So they even she's in
the hospital the first time, twelve days. They even put a sign on
her room door hazard, you know, radiation hazard. They didn't want people
going in there. They thought she was so irradiated that she would get them
sick. She comes home, she goes back for another fifteen days, goes
home, goes back again. So she was very, very sick. Vicky
and Colby were also sick, but just not to that extent. Betty eventually
developed breast cancer and she died eighteen years to the day of this incident,
and just a lifetime of horrible, horrible health issues. Vicky lived to a
ripe old age, but had some issues. Now, very interesting, there
is a story which has some corroboration, that where the UFO was hovering over
the road, a unmarked road crew. Now the local county town has no
record of any of their road crews going out there. They stripped off the
top layers of pavement where this craft had been hovering and repaved. That's that's
pretty interesting. Yes, yep, well we didn't do it, Nope,
nothing to see here. So clearly it probably left burnmarks or radiation. And
you know why we've been doing this. I just did a quick Google maps
check um the area of Dayton, Texas. It's near Houston. Apparently are
multiple military basis. It's not only is Fort Hood you know, reasonably close,
but you have joint Reserve based Ellington Houston MEPs. You have joint Forces
Reserve Center, State of Texas National Guard UM just and then you have you
US Army Reserve Boma. I'm looking at it. The whole area is saturated
with military basis, so there's no wonder how they could easily stir up twenty
three shot the helicopters. And these are the helicopters. If you see videos
of them lifting a tank, you know they're they're huge, so you know
they'll flight tanks and vehicles and stuff. If there's tanging from them like nothing
like they're picking up a you know it's hunka truck. I mean, it's
fascinating that we can have that technology. But the fact that you have twenty
three of them, it's just I would not suspect it's a experimental craft.
At that point, are you going and ripping up the pavement you have radiation?
Yeah, it's very odd. So because they were so sick, they
started contacting their senators, the Air Force. They got lawyer. They hired
lawyer Peter Gerston, who was in the Hudson Valley for many years trying to
you know, was an advocate for the during the Hudson Valley Wave. So
he was trying to get the truth out then, So that was a famili
your name. So in nineteen eighty one they brought a lawsuit against the federal
government for twenty million dollars because they say, hey, you know what was
going on? These were your helicopters, that might even been your craft.
We got sick as a result. But no surprise, it languished for five
years and the case was dismissed as the plaintiffs hadn't proven that the helicopters were
from the US government. Well where were they from? And was the US
government really going to be forthcoming? Yep, that was ours? We messed
up. Yeah, sorry about that. So yeah, Betty said, there
just was no justice left in the United States. And as a final insult,
during the trial, government witnesses testified the US military doesn't have any i'm
in shaped aircraft like they'd tell us if they did. Well, that's what
I was going to say. Is that something they would really testify too and
say, oh, hey, you know, by the way, we do
have a secret aircraft or you know it's a diamond shape. We're working on
it, but don't tell anybody else speak eachwhere. But yeah, I mean
they had to. I mean in retrospect, there would be no other outcome.
We could look at it now and go, what were they thinking?
The government's never going to acknowledge anything in nineteen eighty one, right right even
now what they're what they're kind of releasing seems to be like, I'll tell
you what we want to tell you what we think will sound good. Yeah,
but and here's the shortened lower resolution video. Yes, yeah, please
look at this early days of YouTube, you know, like four twenty resolution
or something, and you have to look at the pixels and squeeze your eyes.
But yeah, that's yeah, this committee wants to do something. Probably
in a heartbeat, they can say, all right, what was the military
doing December twenty nine, nineteen eighty near Dayton, Texas. Let's get this
one, you know, out clid because that obviously the knowledge is you don't
scramble twenty three chinooks and not have a record of it somewhere. So yeah,
so that was a case of UFOs surrounding and chasing the I've excuse me,
helicopters surrounding and chasing the UFOs. So neil, why don't we take
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at the other monitor. I got two monitors going here, but welcome back.
I guess the Hudson River Radio and UFO headquarters. And you know,
Linda, we're talking about helicopters and UFOs and here in the Hudson Valley we
have Indian Point Nuclear power plant and certainly no shortage of UFO sightings connected with
that location. And indeed it's a common theme in a lot of UFO sightings
throughout not just the United States, but the world. Um, you know,
nuclear power plants seemed to be of interest or you know a lot of
sightings. And there was one since here and my computers like doing things in
the nineteen eighties and the end point there was one instance with a massive craft
with military helicopters chasing after it, which again, you know, it's nice
to see once in a while we get to chase them. Although I'm not
sure what you do. And it turns around too, you know so.
But but again, in the Hudson Valley, we certainly have no shortage of
military bases. In the eighties, Stewart would have been at full capacity.
I'm not sure when they started to really scale that down, but yeah,
and there's still the Air National Guard there, which I have us will save
to the end. I do have a helicopter at the Air National Guards story
at Stewart. So yeah. Over the years, we've mentioned so many cases
where witnesses say, you know, the craft started moving off and the helicopters
were coming after it. So that is not uncommon in the Hudson Valley.
But let's go for a much more recent one out to Arizona. February of
twenty twenty one, there was an unidentified object in sensitive airspace near the This
I was not familiar with the Davis Montham Air Force Space near Tucson. Ever,
hear of that. No, No, a US Customs and Border Patrol
helicopter was sent to investigate and whatever this object was almost collided with it.
So here again we have, you know, an object almost hitting a helicopter.
Well, the Tucson PD Police Department sends up their helicopter and they see
a single steady green craft with a single steady green light on the underside,
and it is now flying free Leaf who controlled airspace between the Air Force space
and the Tucson Airport, so there should not be any craft there, and
you would hope the military was not testing something almost running into Border Patrol helicopters
or Police Department helicopters, one would hope. So the pilot the crew of
the Tucson PD helicopter said the craft was making highly erratic maneuvers in a manner
to hamper the crew, the crew's ability to see it, to attract it
visually. So they're trying to head towards the craft to get a good look
at it. It goes under them, it goes behind them, it goes
around them, and this is great. I was trying to find an analogy
to explain this because I saw the path. They had a diagram of the
flight path of the helicopter trying to chase this thing to get a good look
at it. It looped around fourteen times. And what I realized it looked
like you know those incredible chocolate Hostess cupcakes, Yes, with the little white
swirl on the top. That is what the path of the helicopter looked like
just kept swirling around and around and around fourteen times. This thing was messing
with it. It was just playing cat and mousey. It was over seventy
minutes they chased it. It went up to a height of fourteen thousand feet.
The maneuvers it was doing, they said, no commercial drone can fly
that long, far and high. What air traffic controls seeing this? They
actually called Washington d see somebody there. They needed to alert something is going
on here. I'm sure they have radar and all. I don't know,
I'm sure they have all kinds of interesting information. The official explanation was that
it was a highly modified drone satellite controlled. Who's doing that if not the
military? Yeah, that's that doesn't make sense. No, so the pilot,
you know, he doesn't want to say I just saw UFO, but
he said, if it was a drone, which I think they're probably all
very skeptical, it was a very sophisticated specialized craft and able to perform night
like no other UAS un manned aircraft system. It was obvious that the controller
had clear sight of both the helicopters tracking it by the way it would or
bit us and abruptly fly behind us an attempt to avoid our visual contact.
It was quite clear though that this was not like any other uas that we
have experienced, and both the FBI and FAA were investigating tips. So again,
would the FBI get involved, would the military keep this a secret and
mess with border patrol and police helicopters? And do they have maybe they have
craft capable of doing this, But most people involved in this said no,
it wasn't. It wasn't a drone. That was no. The fact that
it's I mean, it's under intelligent control. If it's purposely moving away from
the helicopters and changing direction, you know, if the helicopter maneuver is one
way and the drone is instantly reacting. I mean, what kind of drone
operator would you have to have on the ground, you know, what kind
of reflexes to watch a video feed and hope? I mean, you're going
to see everything happening in real time like three sixty on a drone. I
just don't think that's a plausible explanation. I mean, yeah, yeah,
that's what they were saying. It couldn't been you know, Joe drone operator
with his iPhone controlled thing on the ground because he wouldn't have been able to
this was this went far and wide and fourteen thousand feet now, so that's
why they're saying it had to be somebody with a satellite control. I'm sorry,
how many people have access to satellite controlled drone systems? Yeah, that's
um right. If it's not the military, then what was it? Right?
Right? So yeah, so that was another case. These poor helicopter
guy. You know, you can just imagine the fresh stration, this police
officer trying to get a visual and it just keeps, you know, running
circles, What speed, what maneuverability? Did it happen? Seventy minutes of
this? So yeah, great case and from twenty twenty one, you know,
not all that long ago. So will we ever find the truth?
I doubt it. And again credible witnesses with a lot to lose. Even
though again we say it all the time it's much more acceptable today to come
forward, it still is very risky and not everybody's comfortable. Even police officers
and military still don't have that. Yeah, so when they do, there's
you know, something to be taken seriously, yep, yep, So let's
just do one last quick one. I wanted to finish with helicopters going after
the UFO. I wanted to balance here, fair and balance, but you
know, have two k is of each essentially, so this is only back
in twenty thirteen, and it's an our territory. Here the New York State
Thruway by exit seventeen in the New windsor Newburgh area by the if you want
to look this up, exit seventeen where seventeen K crosses the Thruway, you're
familiar with that area over there. Okay, it's August thirteenth, eight twenty
pm, so it's it's not fully dark yet, there's still some light and
the witness. One of the reasons I wanted to make this is a new
case in my new book. This hadn't been published before, and I thought
it was important to put this in because the witness was an Army ranger,
which you're not an ordinary person if you're an army ranger. He had received
two purple Hearts and a bronze Star for tours of duty in Iraq and Kosovo.
He had those two purple hearts because he had been shot twice. So
this man went through some stuff when he left the military, he became a
civilian flight medic. He knows aircraft, particularly helicopters. Okay, so he's
he had dropped his son off at I believe Newark Airport and was driving home
up the through way and he sees four cars pulled over on the side of
the road with people out. Well, with his training, oh, can
I help if somebody injured? Instinctively, doesn't even think twice, pulls over
to see if he can render any aid, you know, being a medic.
Then he realized there's bright spotlights on the trees. There's several emergency vehicles
on the overpass of seventeen. Hey, there's New York State troopers. There's
all these you know, emergency responders all over the place, and like,
I don't see an accident. What's going on? Well, then he realizes
they're all looking at a very large, round, white light the size of
a house. No navigation lights, no control surfaces, no wings, anything
like that. It's moving only about a hundred feet above the trees. It
stops and hovers silently, doesn't move for thirty seconds. It was moving west
to east before it stopped. Then it starts moving east to west and This
is a man who's Iraq Kosovo civilian, you know, flight medic. He's
like, what the hell am I looking at? And why were troopers there?
Why were emergency responders at? What was going on? I cannot find
anything from that date about anything that went on there. But at this point,
as it's moving slowly back and forth, one hundred feet above the trees,
that is low, that is very low, he finally hears something and
it's helicopters, very familiar Lacota helicopters. Now, these generally do not have
weapons on board there, you know, not for attack purposes. So he
knows a Lacota helicopter three, not one, not, We've got three of
them. They love to send multiple helicopters, and they are headed straight for
this object. And you can imagine everybody is spellbound. What's going to happen
when you know? What do you do when you catch it? If you
catch it right? Well, the object at this point, with the helicopters
bearing down on it, it blinks rapidly three times, he said, like
Morse code, then shot straight up and out of sight and gone. Helicopters
arrive. There's nothing there. This whole sighting lasted for his part six minutes.
But remember all these cars had pulled off time had the enough time for
the emergency responders and the troopers to be there. So how long was this
sighting? So I looked up currently Stuart Air National Guard Base, which is
at Stewart Airport, you know, used to be the Air Force base now
it's Air National Guard. And I got this right from their website. The
second Aviation Detachment of UH seventy two la Coda helicopters is base stats Stewart.
Of course this was twenty thirteen, but there were Lacoda helicopters at Stuart.
What happened? Why were they scrambled? Who? Who sent them? Right?
Who has the authority to order? Air National Guard kind of kind of
state troopers called the Air National Guard and said send me three Lacoda. I
don't know if they could, they can ask, I guess, I mean,
I'm pretty sure it was. It was the Lacoda that I m took
my certification through the Air National Guard to be on the helicopter to learn how
to use their um. You know, they have sophisticated cameras. So they
were training local police departments to send people to learn how to use some of
the equipment for search and rescue. Okay, great crime scene use, great
experience. And I got to go the helicopter and sit behind this camera that
I think you could see things miles away like it was in crazy technolo oology.
So possibly they have video of this object then yeah, I mean I
this was back in twenty fourteen. Okay, this happened twenty thirteen, twenty.
I'm trying to remember when I got I got promoted the sergeant in June
of twenty fifteen. I was still detective, so I had to be around
thirteen or fourteen maybe, yeah, Okay, so they had I don't know
if they recorded it. Um. I would imagine if if they had the
capability on the helicopter, they why wouldn't they. Yeah, I wonder if
you can can you Foya Air National Guard, it's worth a shot. Yeah.
I don't know. They could say now it's military secret, sir,
it's classified. But again I love this case because incredible witness you know,
knows his stuff, and he's not out looking for UFOL. He's driving home
and he thinks there's an accident and Kenny stop and help and then like,
oh my God, what the hell is this? And the fact that it
I love. I can just picture this rap I know that area. I
can just picture that, you know, seventeen K overpass over the throughway rapidly
blink and gone. But it sounds like, you know, similar details to
a lot of those Hudson Valley sightings during the big wave, you know,
people pulling over on the highways yep, and just staring up next to their
cars. Very similar in that respect. And an army ranger. I mean,
you're not going to get much better credibility here any yeah. Yeah,
and damn it? Where was I? Where was I that night? Why
wasn't I? Why wasn't I driving on seventeen K? I mean, I
want to know did did this craft? Was it hovering? And people had
an accident? That's why, you know, emergency vehicles were there. There's
so many questions and I just don't have answers to it. So maybe I
need to start doing sending out a few foils so might be might be worth
it. Yeah, we can't hurt ken it no no? Yeah? Yeah,
or you know, putting you even deeper into an FBI watch list?
What what you know? What is she Foying a Air National Guard for just
think someday on the FAI website. You're um, your dossier will be released
next to al Capone and all the other people that they that's it O,
that'man file. Love it. Well, it's going to be some interesting rating.
Um So anyway that I mean, we could have talked for hours on
helicopters and UFOs, but gave you a couple cases of you know, the
UFOs harassing the helicopters and and vice versa. And there's so many more,
so many more. Um. But yeah, if anybody has any information on
the uh the twenty thirteen case or any new information on the Arizona twenty twenty
one, um, you know, get in touch with us. If you
have any ideas for guests or topics. Um we are certainly open for that.
But other than that, UM, I am done. So yeah,
I think that was a lot um for an hour. That's you know,
great cases, like you said, I mean, great examples, and and
they're kind of even they're tied right now. They're opposed to helicopters too,
m so. But and again very interesting because they turned the tables this time.
It's always the UFO is sort of you know, pacing the airplanes chasing
this one. It's like the helicopters. But again you made a good point,
like, well, what do you do when you when you do catch
it? Now? What? Like you know, it would be like you
know, catching a cobra now like okay, oh, be careful what you
ask for? Right. I understand the desire and the the adrenaline going what
is this thing? But what happens when it's like okay, you want to
see me? Here we go? So you know, it's okay to you
know, poke the bear sometimes but whoa you don't know? Um, so
that does take take some guts. Yeah, well helicopter pilots take guts anyway.
Oh yeah yeah. But I love oh god, I love helicopter.
I've even looked into being a helicopter pilot, but very very expensive. Um.
And then I was like, well then what do I do with it?
You know, I don't want to be a commercial pilot, and it
was an expensive hobby to get into. But hey, never say never helipad
on your roof, that's it. I like it. And actually there's been
to a couple of times or something called Rotor Fest in Pennsylvania. All helicopters.
I love the sound of a helicopter, but I am digressing. So
if they are fascinating, and again for those have never been on them,
very different than an airplane. So it really does. Um the fact that
they're willing to even pursue a UFO in something like a helicopter. I mean,
they're much more maneuverable. Certainly they can, they can make those quick
turns. But yeah, it's one thing in an unarmed Lakota. If I
was in an Apache, I might have a little more guts, right,
yeah, absolutely, even in a gun ship. Yeah, you know.
Yeah, so when you're unarmed, Uh gee, what is this huge craft
flying erratically around me? Yeah? Um. But anyway, thank you everyone
for joining us. Mike any final words bring us out? No, thank
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