WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:08.320 This is the baseline discussing the hot button topics of the NBA. Welcome everybody, 2 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:12.279 your tune to the baseline Calie Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics of the 3 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:17.120 NBA. And as you're enjoying the NBA Finals, you know, we got 4 00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:20.079 to continue to keep this thing moving. We got a couple of bodies that 5 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:28.199 have been decaying in the in the medical examiner's office that's been due for an 6 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:32.679 examination, and uh, you know, we got to continue to keep it 7 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:37.000 pushing. Man. So again it's that coveted autopsy reports. As we keep 8 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:40.039 things moving along. We got two new bodies on the slab. I'm sorry, 9 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:43.079 two overdue bodies on the slab. Let me go and roll out the 10 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:46.159 red carpet to my right hand man's Www. Dot Shaw Sports a Net Bicker 11 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:48.840 UNEP and c my man, mister Warrenshaw, repping out of Fort Lauda Deale, 12 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:54.320 Florida. What's good, mister Shaw. I know we've been preoccupied with 13 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:58.840 everything going on with the NBA Finals and you know the transactions that have been 14 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:03.079 happening, but you know, listen, we needed a little bit of time. 15 00:01:03.120 --> 00:01:07.159 We needed a little bit of a reprieve we need a little bit of 16 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:11.359 smelling salt before we have to start getting up into these two. These are 17 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:18.159 some two archaic, you know what I'm saying, very traditional olds teams that 18 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:19.359 we got to get into. Man, you know what I'm saying. They 19 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:25.439 they ain't brand new no more now like they've been around the block a couple 20 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:27.920 of times. You can say that again. You know, two of the 21 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:33.879 more story franchise here was in the Final four and both go out I'd say 22 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:38.079 in disappointing fashion in ways that we're disappointing in very very nuanced ways to I 23 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.840 think each one of them specifically, but ultimately, you know, we are 24 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:46.519 fans of of of one of these teams and had to take our own personal 25 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:49.879 reprieve to kind of get our thoughts in order here on them. At the 26 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.400 end of the day, the Lakers and Celtics do not avoid the slab. 27 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:57.519 They are up here, no matter how rotten they are. Currently lots of 28 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.400 cover, lots of discusses. These two story franchise with Hall of Fame level 29 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:06.000 talent on the roster um really really really are gonna make for a great interesting 30 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:08.560 conversation. So hope fans tune to listen to this woman absolutely, and you 31 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:12.960 know, listen, it ain't all that bad shaw. We're giving them fresh 32 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:17.879 dirt. We were putting. We're putting fresh dirt on them right like. 33 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:22.759 So they should not feel they should not feel bad any way, shape or 34 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:24.919 form. Man, you know what I'm saying. We were We believe, 35 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:30.280 we believe in properly landscaping our teams. It's so listen, we appreciate you 36 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.759 and yours wropping on a board with us this week. As always, be 37 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:36.080 sure to get him a man. 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And if you want to 45 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:01.360 catch our episode and all the other previous episodes of the Baseline, be sure 46 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:07.680 to go to www dot the Baseline NBA dot com so, as Shaw has 47 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.560 alluded to, we've got two teams that were prepared to put on a slab. 48 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:15.439 We're gonna be talking about the Los Angeles Lakers and the Boston Celtics. 49 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:22.800 You do not want to miss out on the insight and the whole evaluation process, 50 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:24.439 and if we feel right about it, we may actually give them a 51 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:28.639 proper eulogy as well too. You don't want to miss out here on the 52 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:38.039 baseline. Time to break it. They're dead, My team, My team 53 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:42.199 is dead. They knew we were coming. Man, they knew we were 54 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:51.879 coming. Night time. Now for the breakdown, Callie warned Shaw Baseline NBA 55 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.599 podcast, And this is our coveted autopsy report. We've got two teams aren't 56 00:03:54.599 --> 00:04:00.240 putting on the slab. We're ready to um examine an zoom. We're going 57 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:03.439 to start off with the Los Angeles Lakers, not because we don't you know, 58 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:10.159 we we hate them the most. I think Shaw, it's good that 59 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:14.879 we're going to actually start with the Los Angeles Lakers because I think here, 60 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:17.720 to me, the one thing that stands out to me about the Los Angeles 61 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:25.639 Lakers is that they really truly represent a tale of two stories. Right the 62 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:29.800 representation of what the Los Angeles Lakers were that started the season and what they 63 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:33.199 finished with as far as not even how they how things ended against the Denver 64 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:42.639 Nuggets, but how much they have sort of evolved and moreph themselves into a 65 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:46.160 much different identity. I think one of the questions that I wanted to ask 66 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:50.720 you, and it's not something that would have been proper to ask after the 67 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:55.279 way that they got beaten down by the Denver Nuggets, But more to the 68 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:57.959 point about what you look at this team, you look at the roster, 69 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:02.439 and you look at the mentality and the approach. Can you honestly say that 70 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:09.360 this version of the self, I'm sorry, this version of the Lakers can 71 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:15.199 actually give you a reason to see what this team should potentially look like like. 72 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:19.319 In other words, are you able to see a blueprint of success now 73 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:23.959 for the Los Angeles Lakers, because we can honestly say that that's not what 74 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:29.000 has happened really in the last two three years. I think they even got 75 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:33.720 away with what they potentially put together when they went and won the championship in 76 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:40.639 the bubble. But I feel like part of that was because it's instantaneous championship 77 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:45.600 success, because of the pressure applied by Lebron James. He mandates and dictates 78 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:48.759 that kind of narrative, and so you see the after effects when that can't 79 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:53.120 hold and how long it takes in order to form what seems to be like 80 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:57.319 a championship caliber basketball team. But I don't even know if we can say 81 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:00.160 that just yet. But are we able to say that there's a blueprint of 82 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.480 success for the Los Angeles Lakers given what they showed us the second half of 83 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:08.959 this season. Second half of the season, they were a completely different basketball 84 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:13.480 team. Defense really kicked in, they were home warriors, really was able 85 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:18.000 to defend you know, Crypto dot Com, and just played team basketball. 86 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:23.680 Lebron wasn't always, wasn't always the best player on the floor, and I 87 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:27.480 think for him at age thirty eight, that was probably a good thing where 88 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:30.720 he can more or less try to try to pick his spots. But to 89 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:35.240 answer your question, the problem is they have, let me look here, 90 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:43.000 three guys under contract officially they can. They have Malik Beasley, he has 91 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:46.639 a team option. They have more Bomba, and they have jard Vandabile. 92 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:49.240 All those contracts are not guaranteed. So three guys who they for sure, 93 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:54.199 for sure need to pay money to Lebron, Anthony Davis and Max Christie a 94 00:06:54.240 --> 00:07:00.759 ball players. So Lebron and Ad already make up ninety million dollars worth of 95 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.240 that contract or their salary capture ninety million role. So when you're asking me 96 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:06.759 like, hey, you know, is the blueprint there? I mean, 97 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:13.480 I guess. So I feel pretty strongly about those two guys being the cornerstones, 98 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:15.759 if you will, of even of a short term window for a championship. 99 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.959 But laquer Nation in a lot of ways is I don't know, I 100 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:24.839 want to say a little overly optimistic. And I know, you know Jeannie 101 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:27.199 is going to go into the luxury tax he pays to you, thinks nothing 102 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:30.680 about paying that and repeater tax and everything like that too. But I think 103 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:33.439 it's really interesting when you only have that many players that are fully guaranteed and 104 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:36.040 then you're not sure about the other guys. If you're going to bring those 105 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:41.319 guys back to the Angel is a free agent, Lonnie Walker's a free agent. 106 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:45.040 Ruey who they got from Washington is a free agent, Wayne Gabriel, 107 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:48.240 Dennis Shrewder, Troy Brown Junior, Austin Reeves. Who's gonna be owed a 108 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:53.600 massive increase and pay. Now. I think they'll do that for at least 109 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:56.480 three of those guys. But for to what you're saying. But at the 110 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.639 end of the day, I'm a little concerned that because if any of those 111 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:03.319 players or get wandering eyes and just say, you know what, this isn't 112 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:05.600 the place I want to hitch my wagon too. You know, Lebron going 113 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:09.319 to be thirty nine years old, Anthony Davis, You're not the pillar of 114 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:11.519 strength and health for the for the majority part of his career. Maybe those 115 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:16.079 guys I want to go seek an opportunity elsewhere, or do they just say, 116 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:18.759 you know what, we were close. I can still get a substantial 117 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.519 payday and we can run this thing back with this roster for the full year. 118 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:24.800 That remains to be seen, and I'd be really interested in now to 119 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.399 see what Polinka and bust He decide to do with that many free agents on 120 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.879 the roster. So yeah, so I asked the question. Maybe I should 121 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:35.519 have I should have asked it with a wink, wink, nod nod, 122 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:43.879 right, Like what you saw from this team reminds me a lot like when 123 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:48.039 Frank Vogel was the head coach. Right now, I'm not saying this to 124 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:58.360 diminish or dismiss Darvin Ham. Darvin Ham did exactly what I would think any 125 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:03.000 coach in his position who simply wants to get these guys to play either up 126 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:07.200 to their level or play to not be embarrassed, to play to win, 127 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.960 to play with some sense of urgency, some sense of will to compete. 128 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:16.600 He got them to do exactly what they were incapable of doing, even having 129 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:22.720 a Hall of Fame player like Lebron James and a superstar player like Anthony Davis. 130 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:24.799 And in the end, Shaw, I think the one thing that really 131 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:35.240 sticks out at me is from a strategic perspective, there's a blueprint of success, 132 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.840 but from a personnel perspective, they are still going to run into the 133 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:45.879 same problems that they've been running into since they won the championship. They don't 134 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:52.720 have a reliable person who can help stabilize. From a defensive perspective, when 135 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.679 you don't have full on a D on the court, or you don't have 136 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:03.080 consistent ad playing in critical games for every single game that you're competing in the 137 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:09.240 playoffs, and to your point, you don't have Lebron James as Lebron James 138 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:13.399 thirty five. You don't have Lebron James thirty four, thirty three or younger. 139 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:18.240 You're getting an older, more savvier version of Lebron James. So it 140 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:24.279 amuses me when you hear a lot of the mainstream commentators and analysts say, 141 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:26.679 well, we need Lebron James to take over games, we need Lebron James 142 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:31.279 going to drop four, as if that is something that's just supposed to happen 143 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:33.879 out of nowhere, right, Like, that's not what goes down, and 144 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:39.120 that's never been Lebron James. Lebron James is the reason why he is consider 145 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:43.799 one of the greatest players of all time is not just because of he'll just 146 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:46.399 go out there and get your forty. It's he is. He was. 147 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:52.279 He is what Nicola Yoki is right now for us, right he is the 148 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:56.320 kind of person where even if he doesn't give you forty, he somehow is 149 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:01.240 involved in almost every conceivable play that impacts the game, like he scored forty, 150 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.720 like he scored fifty five. He has a key block, he has 151 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:07.120 a key steal, he has a key pass, he has a key rebound. 152 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:11.639 Everything with him evolves around there being a key. It's hard to do 153 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:20.240 that when other players who are assuming those certain intangibles that are already a given 154 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:24.000 if you had that type of Lebron James available to you, you're not seeing 155 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.480 that from all of those guys. So I said, I asked that question 156 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:33.679 because it's amazing to me Shaw that the simplicity of it is saying, if 157 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:37.679 you have the way that the Lakers play to get themselves in this position, 158 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:45.159 that type of personnel, and that type of consistency from that type of personnel, 159 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:50.559 there's no question this would be a championship caliber basketball team. But this 160 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:56.279 situation reared its ugly head when you saw that you couldn't see the consistency of 161 00:11:56.440 --> 00:12:01.759 these guys in their ability to perform in that kind a way unless the matchups 162 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.879 are so favorable in there today that tilts their way that if they played against 163 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:11.240 someone that is maybe younger than them, maybe they've got more more more bodies 164 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:16.440 to throw at them that they can't hold their own. And so to your 165 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.159 point, it brings back the question of you only got three guys that are 166 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.679 contracted on your roster right now, if you can't hold even the guys that 167 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:28.840 you have now with this type of climate, that's going on in the NBA. 168 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.240 Who are you getting going out there to get that's going to replace what 169 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:35.200 gave you what you got to get to that point, which was the Western 170 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:41.159 Conference Finals this past season. So to me, they also have a little 171 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:43.960 bit of a again I had to use this word as the only one that's 172 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:46.960 coming up right now, but a little bit of a cultural problem somewhat. 173 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:50.399 And do you want to give in to Lebron again? Right? And it's 174 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:56.639 really interesting to see the genesis of ideation here from from Laker nation, if 175 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:01.559 you will. At one point when this run was going well, it was 176 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:05.200 reported out that the Lakers were more than likely going to keep the Angelo Russell 177 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:09.399 right, and he fell off a cliff, especially in the Western Conference finals, 178 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:13.000 did not did not look well. Now, Kybrie, we're being is 179 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.480 showing up to games, you know, on the sidelines. We all know 180 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:18.639 what's going on, potentially what's going on in his contract in Dallas, and 181 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:24.639 Lebron and Kyrie have been flirting around together. If you're if you are Polinka 182 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:28.159 in company, do you now say what let's go back and do this again. 183 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:33.000 Lebron wants Kyrie, Lebron wants whoever Lebron wants, or do you go 184 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:37.000 back to your most recent history here where you're like, you know what, 185 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.039 I constructed a team speaking lest Polinka, now, I constructed a team that 186 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:45.279 got us to the Western Conference finals, negating what Lebron ultimately wanted when he 187 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.960 wanted us to bring in Westbrook and other parts. So to me, I 188 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:52.600 think it's do you go with the aging potential best player of Hall of all 189 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:58.519 time and kind of catering and bending to his whims and needs, or do 190 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.240 you go with what you think is ult best that will help him but also 191 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.360 help you. And when you're talking about who's going to come in here? 192 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:07.200 Now, the Lakers always are big game hunting. That's just that's what they 193 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:11.240 do. But I don't know if that's if that's the if that's the mode 194 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:16.080 of operation here with whoever that may be. I'm not saying it's Kyrie ree 195 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.200 I don't know who it is, but I would probably more likely like to 196 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.799 see than bring back the majority of those guys, especially Ruy, especially Austin 197 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:28.159 Reeves, you know, and some of the other even let him Obamba try 198 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.600 to work his way back into into the situation a little bit. And then 199 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:33.519 if you feel like you need an upgrade at Point Guard. I think there 200 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:37.600 are other names out there besides Kyrie Irving that you could probably look at, 201 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.879 but I don't have any I don't have faith that that's not what they'll do. 202 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:46.919 I think it's just Lebron kind of always gets his way to the most 203 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.559 part, and I'm not I'm not trying to say anything negative about him in 204 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:52.519 any capacity, like that's just a cost of doing business when you have him 205 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.279 on your roster. That's just what it is. I think Polinka has to 206 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:58.480 kind of thread the needle here to the line of what exactly that's going to 207 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.320 look like, especially as Lebron creeps up to age forty. Well, so 208 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:03.600 let me add on top of that to your point, because I was chomping 209 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:07.519 at the bit when when you mentioned Kyrie Irvin's name, because obviously that's what's 210 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:11.840 floating around. There's another side to that equation show that has to be asked 211 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:16.720 if you were to do that, if you're Rob Polinka, what are you 212 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:22.919 telling Anthony Davis? Right, Let's not act like we don't hear the chirpers 213 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:28.039 out there. We don't hear what's being you know, the elephant in the 214 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:33.879 room is is Anthony Davis the real deal? And guess what, when you 215 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:39.720 are a big playing for the Los Angeles Lakers, you've got a lot of 216 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:45.519 heavy lifting. Right. We've seen what happened to Dwight Howard. He got 217 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:50.360 eight up by not just the Laker Nation, but more importantly by his own 218 00:15:50.440 --> 00:16:00.840 teammates. Because everyone on the outside lauded him to be the next Wilt Chamberlain, 219 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.879 to be the next Shaquille O'Neill, right, to be the next Kareem 220 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:10.639 abdul Jabbar, to usher in that level of dominance at the five position. 221 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:17.080 Anthony Davis was brought in to not only quell that, and for the most 222 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:25.360 part, the bubble actually accelerated the hype about what he should potentially give Lakers 223 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:30.080 Nation. Right next to Lebron James. They should be getting multiple championships. 224 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.799 But we've been saying this for the longest time. If he cannot stay healthy, 225 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:42.919 how can you properly evaluate the length of that success, especially if you 226 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:48.799 have a person like Lebron James who is mandating and dictating really all of the 227 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.000 supplemental parts around you. You know what I mean? So now, okay, 228 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:56.320 fine, you're going you get Kyrie Irving. What does Kyrie Irving do 229 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:02.360 for an Anthony Davis A hard time to find that? Shaw I really am, 230 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:06.680 if nothing else, Kyrie Irving. And I'm not saying that Kyrie Irving 231 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:08.720 is gonna be a cancer. I'm not saying Kyrie Irving is bad for the 232 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:15.400 I'm just saying Kyrie irving skill set does exactly what for Anthony Davis. Right 233 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:21.400 If at the very least Anthony Davis doesn't replicate the level of greatness that people 234 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:27.160 have, now he becomes the scapegoat. Now he becomes the person that all 235 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:32.559 of a sudden there's that level of ungratefulness that is being shown towards How is 236 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:37.240 that helpful for the Los Angeles Lakers? And ultimately this is about winning championships? 237 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:40.519 You know what I'm saying. Let's not act like Anthony Davis will not 238 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:42.039 be vastly affected by this and be like I don't need to be a part 239 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:45.519 of this. You know what I'm saying. I got you people your chipping, 240 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.799 you're still not happy. I can go elsewhere and still get my bag, 241 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:52.359 you know what I'm saying. And you never hear that from any of 242 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:55.559 the bigs that play for the Los Angeles Lakers. So this is a no 243 00:17:55.640 --> 00:18:00.359 win situation for Anthony Davis. But part of it is his fault because even 244 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.119 when he is healthy and is on the court, he doesn't consistently play to 245 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:07.759 the level that we all think that he is capable of being. And now 246 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:11.119 that he is basically at his he's at the thirty year mark, right, 247 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:14.359 So I'm not saying he's done the downside of his career. What I'm saying 248 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:18.000 is is that it doesn't get any easier from here for him. So that 249 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:22.200 to me is just what sticks out more than anything when you have certain moves 250 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:26.279 that may potentially be made, and who actually factors over those type of players, 251 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:30.079 Who has that voice in a room to say whether that it's a good 252 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:34.079 or a bad thing when you're putting together that roster. I'll just kind of 253 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:38.359 close on this because the Kyrie thing is not a for sure situation absolutely. 254 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:44.400 However, I will say that it's interesting because in some ways it could help 255 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:49.720 a D offensively. If a D is now it glorified number three two b 256 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:56.160 ish offensive option, then he focuses on the defense and rebound and where he 257 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.319 can be absolutely dominant. I think where he's got and into trouble more so 258 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:07.440 recently with Laker fans and perceptions of his capabilities. Is having to try to 259 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.440 score and do all those things offensively and defensively. If he has to score, 260 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:15.920 I don't know, eighteen to twenty one points per game something along those 261 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:19.079 lanes instead of twenty five to twenty seven a game or whatever. Now, 262 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:23.240 because a guy a talent like Kyrie, is there somebody of that ilk so 263 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:27.160 to speak, maybe that helps, But again, what happens with the rest 264 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.079 of the roster, And I think that's the question regardless, right, So 265 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.279 I think my question kind of going back to you is, you know, 266 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.640 Darvinham, it's kind of a tale of two seasons. So like what they 267 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:41.720 did pre All Star and pre trade trade deadline is almost kind of irrelevant. 268 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:44.440 They're a completely different team from that. We have to kind of use that 269 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:48.319 as the benchmark here. Now. You know, our guy Jabari Davis, 270 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:52.400 he sings the praises and everybody's singing the praises of one Austin Reeves and I'll 271 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:57.400 never forget, you know, game one of the playoffs vers versus Memphis Grizzlies, 272 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.759 he's walking around screaming that he him well, I thought that was a 273 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:08.559 little much from my taste. He's a very good basketball player and I will 274 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:14.559 not disrespect I think you know his overall skill set to him stuff too far? 275 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:18.720 Who think you are? I am? I'm sorry? But yeah, 276 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:23.240 where where do you? Where do you rate Darvin Ham's first season, especially 277 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:29.359 after that and then overall the value of Austin Reeves? Who might might I 278 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:32.759 just I think it's our report here he might get to be on Team USA 279 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:34.440 this summer. Um, you know, just again by by virtue of some 280 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:38.000 of the great great basketball player that he that he that he had, especially 281 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:41.799 in Clinton's playoffs. Here, where do you rate Austin Reeves and Darvin Ham 282 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:45.640 and their seasons as Lakers? See you give you a grade or just however? 283 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:49.000 Just yeah, just your great thoughts whatever. I think Austin Reeves had 284 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:56.640 himself a remarkable season. Um. I think it's been a while since you 285 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:03.200 have quote quote homegrown talent come in and have as much impact for the Los 286 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:11.359 Angeles Lakers since their free agency moves. And I think you'd be remissed if 287 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.079 you're the Los Angeles Lakers to allow that to go somewhere else. I will 288 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:19.839 say this though, because I saw this become more evident, and I'll move 289 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:26.480 on to Darvenham real quick. Austin Reeves presents a very interesting conundrum because it 290 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:29.680 lends to the thing that we were just talking about in relation to Anthony Davis 291 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:33.000 and how you were relating to having you know, Kyrie Irvan could probably help 292 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:40.799 Anthony Davis. I think in the long term, Austin Reeves will be a 293 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:45.440 detriment to Anthony Davis. Listen, at the end of the day, given 294 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:49.599 the way the Lakers play, given the way though Braun is playing, Anthony 295 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:52.240 Davis is gonna have to play the five. He don't want to play the 296 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:57.640 five, but if you want, he did a lot. But to the 297 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:03.079 point that I'm saying Shaw, there has to be an interior presence that I 298 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:08.880 think Lebron James wants to kind of move further and further away from I think 299 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:12.319 that Anthony Davis over the years is starting to move further and further away from 300 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:15.240 that paint. So then my question is who you're gonna get down there, 301 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:18.519 Who's going to do the dirty work down there? You can't tell me that 302 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:22.880 it's gonna be Austin Reeves either. Austin Reaves is going to be your two 303 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:27.039 guard or he's playing that three and Lebron is back to playing that four. 304 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:33.720 Right to me, no matter how you slice it, I think it's gonna 305 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:38.119 come down to that long question for Anthony Davis, will you ever be comfortable 306 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:44.400 playing that five? Because the way that Lebron wants this team structured, if 307 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:48.279 you want shooters, it's gonna require him to be away from that basket a 308 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:51.599 line. So you gotta get guys that are gonna be willing to score that 309 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:55.880 basketball either get down and penetrate. But I don't know if Anthony Davis is 310 00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:59.119 going to be acquiesced to that part of it. That's the reason why I 311 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:03.039 say that's how great of a season at Austin Reeves has because he presents that 312 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:07.160 as being could be a good problem if you're Rob Pelinka. Now over to 313 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:10.920 Darvin Him. Darvenham, to me, is exactly what the Los Angeles Lakers 314 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:14.920 needs, right. They needed a coach that knows how to talk to the 315 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:22.319 players, but more importantly talk to the management and no filter, no sugarcoat, 316 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:26.279 and no kiss ass. The only thing that I've seen that was a 317 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:33.640 faulter for Darvin Him was his inability to really use the roster that he had 318 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:38.920 as in a way that could allow him the best matchups at certain times when 319 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:42.240 they were no matchups. Sometimes you just gotta throw a shot in the dark. 320 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:45.559 And sometimes I think he kind of pulled his punches a little bit because 321 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:51.200 he's really relying on Lebron James and Anthony Davis to try to take them home, 322 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:53.720 which look like any good coach would typically do. The problem is is 323 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:59.119 that when you've got teams that are better with more depth, you know what 324 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:02.720 I'm saying, you can't just rely on the fact that even if your guys 325 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:06.400 aren't going you just suddenly don't play your guys you're gonna have to play. 326 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:10.799 So there are certain adjustments to Darwinham could totally make that I think would lend 327 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:12.640 himself to be an even better coach, and that will come with time. 328 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:17.279 What I'm not hope, when I'm hoping doesn't happen, is he doesn't rest 329 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:22.440 on his laurels knowing that he's got Anthony Davis Lebron James, and that stimys 330 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:29.279 that progression that he has to make making offensive adjustments and holding players defensively accountable, 331 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.200 because if there's one thing that I know Darwinham wants these guys to work 332 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:37.319 on. They have got to be better on transitional defense. The Los Angeles 333 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.559 Lakers are the absolute worst team in basketball when it comes to transitional defense. 334 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.200 And I don't need to look at no numbers time and time again. The 335 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:51.279 Los Angeles Lakers looked like they were dragging mules every single time that they shot 336 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:52.920 a brick and could not get back to the other side of the floor to 337 00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:59.200 defend fast breaks. Some of the slowest teams looked like freaking height looking like 338 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:03.960 coyotes and Hyhena's and foxes up and down the court against the Los Angeles Lakers 339 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:07.200 because their transitional defense was atrocious. So I would like to see Darvin Ham 340 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.359 put more emphasis on the things that they can definitely approve on defensively, but 341 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.319 I'd love to see him makes more adjustments from an offensive perspective as well too 342 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:22.480 when matchups don't favor his superstars. I'll kind of like round that out here 343 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:25.880 a little bit, you know. With Ultimately, everybody needs to be to 344 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.200 be better, right and I think Ham, as a first year of coach, 345 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.160 can definitely take some cues. And we'll talk about another first year of 346 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:36.400 coach here on the flip side here and kind of just understanding where your team 347 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.680 is at, where your roster is at. He he is as much as 348 00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:41.359 a fan, and I don't mean this in a negative way, but he's 349 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:45.880 as much of a fan as Lebron as any coach I think he's ever had, 350 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.839 you know, And it's really interesting how he kind of plays that in 351 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:53.519 a way that you know, resonates to positivity. You know, I don't 352 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:57.079 think Lebron disrespects him or looks down on him. I think, you know, 353 00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:02.920 Ham has the appropriate level of reverence from Lebron while still maintaining the line 354 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.799 as being the head coach who also ultimately has to make some of the hard 355 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:10.279 decisions out there. But this Lakers team does have to figure out, now 356 00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:15.319 who are they going to also develop alongside the twilight or Lebron's career. And 357 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.079 you know, in this whole conversation, we haven't even given any creedence to 358 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.599 Lebron's messaging that he might consider retirement and any lay that too. I don't 359 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:25.160 think either one of us is buying that, So no need to even go 360 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:32.240 into the conversation. But ultimately, now this roster is not void of talent, 361 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:36.279 but is void of contracts. And I think that's where just what it 362 00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:40.240 boils down to, how many of these guys do you bring back? And 363 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:44.400 for those who you don't, who are the replacements that you get into supplement? 364 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:47.400 Because I think you've seen now a formula that got them to a certain 365 00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:51.119 level of success this past season. You know, where they did play hard 366 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.640 defense, they got a little bit more shooting around the edges, so to 367 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:57.359 speak, and AD had to kind of lock in defensively and be that anchor 368 00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:03.599 for them. I think that's formala. Can these guys come back and expand 369 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:06.359 on the success that they had in the latter part of the season but ultimately 370 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.440 fell short. But again, if a championship is the goal, and we 371 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.000 know that it is, you know, twoks had to be made because they 372 00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:15.680 got swept by the Timver Nuggets. You know, swept, So there's no 373 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.200 two ways about that. As good as it was, getting swipped to the 374 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:22.319 Western Conference finals is not where where you want to be. You know, 375 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.880 well, how the game ended, I think spoke more. Um, you 376 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:30.279 know, I'm sorry, Like as much as I love Lebron James and the 377 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:36.119 idea that you know, I would want the ball in his hands. I 378 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:38.640 didn't see anything about that play that was designed and even the shot that he 379 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.559 probably would have taken that would have gave me any confidence that we're gonna win 380 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.039 that basketball game. So to that point, show that's what I mean about 381 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:49.000 the evolution of Darvin Hamm, you know, really putting together and relying on 382 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:53.640 the players that he's you know, ultimately coaching and developing. There's two players 383 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:56.640 I'm going to throw this out before we you know, end this segment that 384 00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.119 I want to see what happens in the off season and I want to see 385 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:03.880 what takes place. There are two players that I think is going to really 386 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.759 have a benefit from having darwinham as a head coach. And I don't know 387 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.839 if you agree with me on this one, but follow me here, Jared 388 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:21.960 Vanderbilt and Riehatchamura. If Riehachimura really understands the defensive principles that are necessary for 389 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:26.640 him as part of that second unit, watch for him to be really taking 390 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:30.400 another step forward. I think offensively he can get better, and you can 391 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:34.599 always do that playing around Lebron James whoever they get as as as a top 392 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:38.519 flight point guard or you know, even Hey, if you figure out a 393 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.279 way to bring back Dennis Shrewder, I think he thrives with those type of 394 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:47.799 guards. But I would love to see darwinham have his imprint or rehatcha Moore's 395 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:52.680 ability to play better defensively. Jared Vanderbilt, I would love to see more 396 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:57.519 discipline from him because he could be one of those Swiss army knife two way 397 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:02.799 type players that could really serve a great purpose for the Los Angeles Lakers. 398 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.640 And so if nothing else, I know that the key is about keeping Austin 399 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:08.160 Reeves, and I know you got to worry about a whole rest of other 400 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:12.400 guys and stuff like that. But if for whatever reason, they don't figure 401 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:17.640 out a way to make sure that Vanderbilt and Hachamura is on this roster, 402 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.559 that to me is a telltale sign of things not looking right for the Los 403 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:25.480 Angeles Lakers on how they're going to be able to make up for what those 404 00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:29.599 guys contributed and gave the Lakers that second half of the season. And I 405 00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:33.160 think that part of that is Darvin Hamm's ability to channel and speak to those 406 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:37.400 guys to have them have an imprint on their run. Even though they got 407 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.160 outsted by the Denver Nuggets. Yeah, so Vanderbilt is going to have to 408 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.400 work on the corner three specifically. Absolutely. I think what he does defensively 409 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:52.480 is very, very, very positive on most nights. But he's not even 410 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.359 PJ Tucker right now, He's right, He's absolutely from the corner three spots. 411 00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.119 So that just so that he cannot be a liability offensively. And I 412 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:02.559 think your point about rue is as well. You know, Ruie has a 413 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:03.680 chance to start next year, you know, depending how the rest of this 414 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.720 roster ultimately fills out, he has a chance to start at that three four. 415 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.759 I guess he and Lebron would be kind of interchangeable at at those two 416 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:15.240 positions. So I don't think they make the move for him mid season, 417 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.039 or like even a little bit before midseason, and not without the intention to 418 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.599 keep him. So I think if there's one guy who's coming back, it's 419 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:25.920 ultimately going to be him. I can't imagine that they would not guarantee Vanderbil's 420 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:27.440 contracts or I think he'll be back as well too. And then we already 421 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.039 talked about some of the others, especially with Reeves and what they're going to 422 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:32.720 pay him. I think it's just going to come down to the number. 423 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.200 You know, Reeves is probably gonna, i mean, what eighteen somewhere to 424 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:37.920 eighteen to twenty two million per year. You probably have to pay that guy, 425 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:42.599 you know, and that puts you well into the tax So as you're 426 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:47.480 trying to probably get a third quote unquote star or whatever that looks like, 427 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.359 you know, it'll be interesting see how they how they do the cap gymnastics 428 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:55.960 here to manage that. So Lakers good season overall, came back from the 429 00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.880 depths of hell. They were the laughing stock Memes and the whole nine all 430 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.119 way to the Western Conference Finals. Ultimately gets swept by the Number Nuggets, 431 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:04.720 but a lot of teams wish they could have even been in that situation. 432 00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:07.960 So shout out to Lakers for trying their season. Or yeah, man, 433 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.000 listen, we're not burying you would just dirt. We're giving you some roses 434 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.559 as well too. You would definitely beginning your flowers. Los Angeles Lakers, 435 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.279 They're gonna have a very very interesting off season. Your Tune to the Baseline 436 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:25.400 Callie Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics of the NBA are coveted autopsy report coming 437 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:29.640 up, we'll be talking about the Boston Celtics. 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Got one more team that's on the slab and that 456 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:54.000 will be the Boston Celtics, the team Shaw that a lot of people favored 457 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:57.839 to be the top team out of the Eastern Conference. They weren't able to 458 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:04.079 sustain being the first team. And clearly from the way that they ran the 459 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.839 playoffs, you almost said to yourself, they're like, really the last most 460 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.200 talented team, But by no stretch of the imagination did you feel that they 461 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:16.240 were the best team in the NBA, even though with basically the same roster 462 00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:23.440 that a year ago removed was competing and playing for an NBA championship. And 463 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:29.440 it's just funny how a tumultuous offseason, I guess, if you want to 464 00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:34.640 call it, with the situation with ema Udoka has such an effect that by 465 00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:40.279 bringing in a interim slash assistant head coach to coach the team throughout the course 466 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:45.680 of the year. You have more questions than answers about this team, even 467 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:52.680 though they got to the Eastern Conference Finals only to find themselves watching from the 468 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:57.759 outside looking in. Yeah, it didn't go the way a lot of us 469 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.400 would have thought it would have went. From Boston. Felt like they addressed 470 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:06.240 all of their proverbial needs from a roster standpoint, especially with bringing and Brogden. 471 00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.159 He ultimately wins six Men of the Year, Jelen Brown makes their team 472 00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:14.360 all NBA um and things really seemed like this was a team of destiny in 473 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:19.719 a wide open NBA season. But ultimately the changes at the top with the 474 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.480 head coach and Joe Missoula kind of coming in and looking very inexperienced in the 475 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:27.880 Eastern Conference Finals form the majority part of that series. Then the team having 476 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.239 a lot of its old skeletons come out of those closets. You know, 477 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:35.440 they get the yips, they're they're unable to execute when when things get tight. 478 00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:38.519 They turned the ball over and they didn't play the same level of defense 479 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:43.039 that they did under eudoka Um and ultimately ran into a buzz saw with the 480 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.519 with the Miami Heat team that was chomping at the bit to get back at 481 00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:50.039 them for losing in the Eastern Conference Finals the season ago, and I think 482 00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:52.440 it was almost to the day where you know, they lost Game seven, 483 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:57.400 the heat did and they come back I think a year later and win Game 484 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:01.079 seven on Boston's home floor, the first time we actually would have to put 485 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:07.880 on a tombstone. May twenty ninth, twenty twenty three. Here lies the 486 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:14.519 Bosses Celtics. Yeah, the Memorial Day massacre really a lot of ways. 487 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.800 So for me, what ends up happening now is they go into the off 488 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:22.199 season, off season, off season. Brad Stevens has already come out and 489 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.440 endorse Missoula. The thing that needs to happen, I think first and foremost 490 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:28.280 is they need to bolster the assistant coaches around Mossoula. They're not going to 491 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:30.079 fire them. They're own too much money, They've already given them the contract. 492 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:34.000 They're not going to do that. So do they get can they get 493 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:37.239 some top name assistance. We'll talk about this on another show, but coaches 494 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.480 are being hired all around the league right now, and assistant jobs are being 495 00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:45.000 taken up by top level guys who were once head coaches going into associate roles. 496 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.159 I know Boston is quote unquote fresh out, but they've really got to 497 00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:51.719 look at to see what's available for them, you know, to kind of 498 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:53.920 help Missoula on the sidelines. And I think the biggest thing is because he 499 00:35:54.119 --> 00:36:00.280 seems to have an interesting personality where things might grate I think with certain people, 500 00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:01.239 so they have to bring in the right fit. I don't know if 501 00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:05.360 you can bring in a head coach that's maybe won an NBA championship and put 502 00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:07.159 him alongside Mazoulukause, I think there might be some clashing in there. That's 503 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.679 just my assessment of it. No intel on this. The rest of the 504 00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:14.079 team now, the rest of the roster now bowls down to what do they 505 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:20.039 do with Grant Williams. Do they feel rogln at twenty two million are really 506 00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.320 forty four million over the next two years? Is the answer. Even though 507 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.440 he was six Man of the Year, he became a glorified three point shooter. 508 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.440 He didn't penetrate in the way, he didn't create in the way that 509 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:31.400 he did in previous seasons. And while he was a sixth Man of the 510 00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:35.639 Year, I think Boston was looking for more. And yes he was hurt 511 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.679 in the playoffs, but I think those are the biggest questions here as they 512 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:43.480 go into this. Yes, a lot of conversation about Jelen Brown. I'm 513 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.679 not as concerned. You can talk about it if you are, but I 514 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.280 know people are like, oh, well, is Jelen Brown gonna leave Boston? 515 00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:52.800 He's got Supermax money on the table and history has shown us that guys 516 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.039 don't turn that down. So I have nothing else he resigns, maybe yes, 517 00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.320 for a trade two years from now, but I think at least for 518 00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:01.880 the next two years he's probably going to be in a Celtic uniform. Right, 519 00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:05.920 That's the way I see it, you know, without getting uh, 520 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:10.079 you know, to too venomous, you know, about my actual feelings about 521 00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:14.639 it. That's just kind of the thirty thirty thousand foot overview of the Celtics 522 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:16.119 and how they ended up their season. All right, So let me go 523 00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:20.840 back to your first original point regarding Joe Missoula. You know, it's interesting 524 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.880 show that you bring up Joe Missoula and the type of person that he is, 525 00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:28.400 and you know, maybe the type of personality that he kind of you 526 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:34.920 know, exudes upon people. I think the Celtics losing Damon Stodemeyer was was 527 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.719 kind of key, you know, um, and I think you know it 528 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:44.119 kind of also speaks to unspoken truth about something, right like Damon Stodemeyer is 529 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:49.440 choosing to leave the NBA to go and coach college basketball, I believe, 530 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:54.360 right. So yeah, So my thing is a lot of guys want to 531 00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:59.199 leave college basketball the coach in the NBA, you know what I'm saying. 532 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:05.599 And if Damon Stodammeyer doesn't want to be a part of a herald franchise like 533 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.960 the Boston Celtics. And I'm not saying that the Celtics had to bend over 534 00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:13.079 backwards or didn't try or nothing like that. What I'm saying is is that 535 00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.400 the timing of it really felt kind of sketch, you know what I'm saying, 536 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:22.679 because it could be to Damon's point, you know, I see my 537 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:29.639 career, my voice better suited coaching younger guys, talking to younger guys. 538 00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:36.000 Right, This team is because is more veteran laden now even though they're relatively 539 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.840 among the youngest in the NBA when you have Tatum and Brown. So I'm 540 00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:44.320 just saying to me that, to your point, is the selling point if 541 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:46.599 what type of assistant head coaches are you going to be able to bring in 542 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.360 that's going to be able to talk to both Tatum and Brown and some of 543 00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.480 the other younger guys that are still on this roster that the Celtics are going 544 00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:59.920 to have to make sure that they keep right. So that's one thing. 545 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:01.719 Well, before you jump into the next one, I'll just say, you 546 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.519 know, Steven said specifically that they need to address that and almost to your 547 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:10.119 exact point in terms of they need to bring somebody with NBA playing experience. 548 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:15.360 So Stotomeyer had that could relate to Tatum and Brown and everybody and saying, 549 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:17.760 hey, I've been here seeing some of these things before, and that is 550 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:21.480 something that they said, Well, they're going to get multiple assistance and one 551 00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:24.800 of them will be somebody who has NBA NBA playing experience, you know, 552 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:30.800 obviously because Zula doesn't have that. Yeah, and again I'm just throwing that 553 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:34.320 part of it out there because it's just highlighting to what you were talking about 554 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.159 before. Sor right, So let me now move over to Malcolm Brogden. 555 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.440 I wasn't going to talk about Brogden, but you really brought up an interesting 556 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:45.000 point about Malcolm Brogden, I completely agree with you whole and I was the 557 00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:49.559 biggest skeptic. I wasn't buying into the idea that I thought that the move 558 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.880 of Brogden was the best move. But remember when we sat down, we 559 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:55.840 had that one episode when we discussed about the Boston Celtics and what we enjoyed 560 00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.239 about seeing about the Boston Celtics and what we applauded from the Celtics. But 561 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.599 the one thing that I think had always been sticking out at me is while 562 00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.199 I love the fact that Brogden brings that an element that I thought was sorely 563 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:14.000 lacking. You know, once the starters went to the bench, the second 564 00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:16.599 units didn't have consistent scoring, didn't have a guy that can get in there 565 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:22.800 and really kind of dictate what the Celtics truly need to either stabilize or to 566 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.280 put the foot on the neck against the opponents and stuff. Malcolm Brogden was 567 00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.639 showing you that he could be that dude, and somehow all of that went 568 00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:35.079 away, somehow, all of that just kind of just in thin air. 569 00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:40.719 Okay, I agree with you. He became a three happy guy. But 570 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.320 you know what, so did the whole damn team, right, the whole 571 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:53.320 Buston Celtics team just basically became three happy, and even in a situation where 572 00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:58.920 they could show you they can basically be a mid range team or a team 573 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.960 that can drive, can penetrate and get three the easy People say three the 574 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.400 hard way. I say three the easy way. They choose not to do 575 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.440 it. It's not the team's scheme and plot and do things differently. They 576 00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:14.599 choose not to do it, and they go right back to shooting the threes. 577 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.800 And so I agree with you Shaw that if that is the mentality that 578 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.079 your sixth man and the year guy approaches when he really needs to be better, 579 00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.920 especially at the point guard position, when he needs to Hey, whoa, 580 00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.400 guys, we need to get back into getting into the pain. We 581 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:31.039 need to get those midrange games. Well, you need to move the ball 582 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:34.400 more. If he's not going to be that guy that's going to be able 583 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.400 to do that, then I completely agree with you. You may have to 584 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:39.480 revisit the idea of whether or not Brogden is going to be the key or 585 00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:44.000 going to be the answer. You know what I'm saying for this Boston Celtics 586 00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:46.400 team, especially with the way that it's already constructed, which now leads me 587 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:50.880 to the Jalen Brown situation. I don't disagree with you, sew, and 588 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.840 I'm not going to belabor the point. My sentiment and my feeling about Jalen 589 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:58.320 Brown is this. I think Jalen Brown is an awesome player. I think 590 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.880 Jalen Brown, even Jalen Brown believes that he's an awesome player. And the 591 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:04.760 thing that I'm beginning to see and what I've been seeing over the last couple 592 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.800 of years, that is starting to kind of bring the bigger question in a 593 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:13.199 room, who wants to be the top dog for the Boston Celtics. And 594 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.639 you know what, it should never even get to that, because if you're 595 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:19.760 coming up the same way that both of these guys came up, there's more 596 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:24.360 than enough ball for them both to be the quintessential pillars for this team to 597 00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:28.960 be as successful as they ought to be. But I'm beginning to see where 598 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.480 a little bit of that mentality in that mind state. And I don't blame 599 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:35.360 Jalen Brown. I don't blame him at all. You don't come into the 600 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:38.360 NBA so that you can decide to be second fiddle of someone. You decide 601 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:42.239 to find your level of greatness. And if you feel your level of greatness 602 00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:44.840 can't be around the guys you're playing next to you, then that might mean 603 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.599 you need to go elsewhere to go find your greatness. The question will always 604 00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:52.559 be do you sacrifice that personal level of greatness in order for you to win 605 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:57.519 a championship or do you go and get your greatness and then later on decide 606 00:42:57.519 --> 00:42:59.840 to go and play with teams to try and go and chase for chips. 607 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:01.880 You know what I'm saying. And we've seen where some guys have failed, 608 00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:06.880 and we've seen where some guys have succeeded. All I'm saying, Shaw is 609 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:10.480 is that there's a reckoning that is starting to happen. And part of it 610 00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:15.159 is not more so about the player and the money as much as it is 611 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:19.559 about the mentality and the agenda. And that's what I think Celtics fans, 612 00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:23.320 Celtics personnel, and even Jalen Brown himself really need to start looking at because 613 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:27.360 the next few years, I really think is going to dictate whether or not 614 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:30.920 we truly believe. Like I'm not saying that they're not a great duel. 615 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:34.639 What I'm saying is is that the window for that level of greatness has been 616 00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.840 over the last five years, and we've been giving them, not excuses, 617 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:42.800 but we've been basically giving them the benefit of the doubt of their youthfulness to 618 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.840 say they will eventually get it. I'm saying that now that patience may wear 619 00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:51.639 thin enough that the threading for them to be able to re up and do 620 00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:55.400 this again may not have the same effect as when they were nineteen twenty years 621 00:43:55.440 --> 00:44:01.320 old and first coming up along in the Celtics organization. Well, he said, 622 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:04.760 I'm mouthful obviously, you know, and I'm gonna take you all the 623 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:07.760 way back to the three point shooting. That was Missoula. Missoula wanted him 624 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.559 to fire more threes. He felt like offensively, they were staggered at the 625 00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:14.280 end of last year and didn't have enough, and they thought the three ball 626 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.679 could be a way to get that get that done. Unfortunately for them, 627 00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:21.679 you know, guys like Sam Houser and whatever maybe didn't plan out the way 628 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:24.239 they wanted to. But Mossoula also didn't put him in a position to contribute. 629 00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:27.920 I think in the playoffs, you know, to continue with that whole 630 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.840 mantra, and the Celtics lost Callinaro to begin the year. UM don't know 631 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:35.440 what the season would have looked like had Gallo been healthy, and what the 632 00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:38.840 situation will be with him presumably healthy going into next season. Al Horford is 633 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:42.599 a guy Garrett Washburn told me this, you know, on the show I 634 00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.599 do with him. He said, but Al Horford now shoots almost seventy percent 635 00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:50.360 of his shots from the three point seventy percent, and when he came into 636 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.440 the league, I think he like it was like less than ten percent of 637 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.840 his shots for three pointers. Now, obviously the league has evolved and so 638 00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.800 has Al in a lot of ways, but there's that there should still be 639 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.039 have the media, and I think that's where the team does lack a little 640 00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:06.360 bit of discipline because they just got and just camp out of the three point 641 00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.960 line. And what will bring me to my point here is it's in some 642 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.960 ways I can live with the threes if the ball isn't just swinging around on 643 00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.719 the perimeter. The best threes are the ones where the ball touches the paint 644 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:22.480 and the ball kicks back out and the defense is consistently rotating in and out, 645 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:24.840 which you see with Boston is maybe four guys out on the perimeter, 646 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:29.519 and maybe one guy kind of struggling, maybe at at the low block, 647 00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:31.440 if that's Rob Williams in the game, or maybe somebody struggles to the free 648 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:35.719 throw line. But for the most part, there's not just a lot of 649 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.239 penetration, a lot of great paint touches, especially with Tatum and Brown not 650 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:43.559 having the handle that either one of them ultimately want to have for all NBA 651 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:47.400 guys. So what I think also needs to happen for this team is we 652 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:51.920 know Payton Pitcher doesn't want to be in Boston. Grant Williams, we're not 653 00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:53.559 sure wants to be in Boston, but he definitely wants to pay raise. 654 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:59.360 Can they figure out a way to get a guy who can actually penetrate And 655 00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:01.599 I don't know if that's another guard because it does create another log jam with 656 00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:06.159 Marcus there and Derek White, etc. Etc. But is it a wing 657 00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:08.800 who can who has some sort of playmaking skills and ball handling ability. I 658 00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:13.800 don't know, but those are the things I've never seen needs to ultimately addressed. 659 00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:17.599 I've never seen a group of guys be so scared going to the paint 660 00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:22.360 bro like I say that not you know, I'm saying that facetically, I'm 661 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:23.960 saying that when they do, they get ripped. Yeah, but I mean 662 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:28.920 that that that's fine. But I mean that's that's exactly where you earn your 663 00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:31.199 stripes. That's where you look. That's where Derek White earned his keep, 664 00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:37.360 right. He's he stays in the NBA because he's doing the things that I 665 00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:38.800 think a lot of people don't think that he's capable of doing or is not 666 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:43.079 expected to do when he goes and he does those things, and that, 667 00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:46.559 to me is partly what I thought that the Celtics needed. Um Again, 668 00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:53.119 to your point, the Celtics have done a great job this year showing other 669 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:59.760 teams how they can bail them out of looking bad by them looking bad themselves. 670 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:02.679 You know what I'm saying. I mean, honestly, the turnovers. 671 00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.400 Shaw, Seriously, bro, I'm not saying that the Celtics were among the 672 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.559 best teams and turning the ball over that's what killed them last year in the 673 00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:14.719 in the championship. Okay, but it wasn't like this is a this is 674 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.000 you know, out of nowhere. This is a learned behavior. This is 675 00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:21.320 the risk taking that is involved, and we see that with a lot of 676 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.880 teams. They're willing to risk turning the ball over a couple of times if 677 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:30.320 it's gonna give them that quote quote unquote the shot, it's gonna give them 678 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.920 that spark, it's gonna give them that run. They'll take that all day, 679 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.000 every day. The problem is they don't have a plan B out of 680 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:38.920 that. They don't have a contingency out of it when it flips on its 681 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:44.599 head and then it basically becomes a seven point swing in a two point game. 682 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:46.679 You see what I'm saying. Like that type of stuff, there doesn't 683 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:51.119 doesn't seem to be a plan B when it comes to the Celtics, either 684 00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.639 all in on this one part of the strategy or nothing at all, and 685 00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:59.920 you cannot operate that way. The best teams that go out and win championship 686 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:04.079 always have a plan B, CD, eat and F. That's how the 687 00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:07.320 Warriors beat the Celtics last year. That's how the Miami Heat beat the Celtics 688 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:12.480 this year. That's how the Denver Nuggets beat the Los Angeles Lakers. You 689 00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:15.039 know what I'm saying, And it's amazing to me because we've been saying this 690 00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:20.360 for the longest time now. With the Celtics, and in this past series 691 00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:23.639 against the Miami Heat Shaw it was right. It was staring at them right 692 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:27.960 in the face. Everybody's talking about how they shot forty percent in the games 693 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:31.280 that they won from three, but nobody put emphasis on the fact that they 694 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:36.320 were shooting except for Charles Barkley. My god, Charles Barkley. They shot 695 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:40.199 seventy percent in the paint. They were plus fifteen in rebounds, but by 696 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:45.960 the time the game ended, they were in the negative right in their rebounding 697 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:52.480 against the team or there. They completely abandoned shooting the two, and their 698 00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:58.920 three points shot percentage plummeted down to the low thirties. You know what I'm 699 00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.440 saying. It amazes me, Sean, I'm just saying it amazes me because 700 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:07.840 it's not like the personnel doesn't have the capacity to at least attempt to do 701 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.360 it. When they were completely doing it. Well, you might be being 702 00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:19.000 generous again the three point shooting. I think they were being generous sixteen for 703 00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.440 seventy two or something like that in the final two games from the three line. 704 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.599 Um Horford, I was only talking about the games that they won. 705 00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:27.880 I was only talking about the games they won. No, I'm saying in 706 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.519 the final two games, though more or less, you know, even that 707 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:32.559 they won one of those games and then still lost and they were still like 708 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:38.639 absurd percentage. And I agree, but that goes back to scheme. And 709 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:44.480 so when we think about, you know, Darvin hamm got better throughout the 710 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:46.960 course of the year, what they flawed roster. We talked about the Lakers 711 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:53.199 on the previous segment. I think Missoula had a talented roster and didn't probably 712 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:57.679 do as much as he possibly could. And that's hard to say because again 713 00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:00.760 I listened intently to what Brad Stevens talked about on his press conference, and 714 00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:07.039 in the regular season, Boston was second and third respectively offensive rating and defensive 715 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:12.960 rating. I mean, that's that's what it was. But in the playoffs 716 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.159 there was a different level of intensity that they weren't unable to match. And 717 00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:20.800 you know, they should have lost probably to philadelphan seventy six ers. They 718 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.719 probably should have lost Game six and not even been in Game seven against the 719 00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:29.480 Miami Heat anyway, And that speaks to not just a talent conversation, but 720 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:34.320 ultimately an execution conversation that I think is really at the heart of where Boston 721 00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.559 is going to go. But there are some exs and ows that need to 722 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.039 be fixed in they're awesome personnel conversations that I think that need to be fixed 723 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:44.400 as well too, and roll definement in some ways. I don't think tat 724 00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:50.440 mc brown being playmakers consistently is the best way for them. I think you 725 00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:54.599 can move Tatum and Brown specifically around on the offense, especially in that zone 726 00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:59.280 against Miami or whoever decides to play zone against them. Moving forward, Yo, 727 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:01.639 play Papa shot. My guy Gara Osborne said, have Tatum come to 728 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:06.440 the freethrow line to the nail Papa shot. Have him start from the freethrow 729 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:08.119 I mean from the baseline and work his way up and you know, do 730 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:13.119 some backscreening and cuts for Tatum, I mean for Brown rather, there doesn't 731 00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:15.599 just have to be on the wings outside the perimeter and then go. And 732 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:19.360 I think that's where there's just something a little bit how come? How come 733 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:23.199 at this point we have not seen an an affluent two man game between Brown 734 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:30.039 and Tatum because they can't dribble, So it's a it's like to run that 735 00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:31.440 two man game, especially if you're going to run it in any type of 736 00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:35.920 pick and roll. Those guys need to be elite level ball handlers. And 737 00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:38.440 while Tatum's handle has gotten better, it's not at the point where I think 738 00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:42.239 he should be creating, you know, off the dribble, especially with with 739 00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.719 Brown as as a as a screener in any capacity, do you find him 740 00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:52.079 to be good passers? They are at Tatum is a better pass than than 741 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:54.280 Brown is, right. I think they're they're they're above average, and they're 742 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:58.000 they're better than maybe even I give them credit for. Tatum has had multiple 743 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.320 games where it really seems to get some guys involved him because he can utilize 744 00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:05.519 his size. His problem is when he know when he gets into trouble double 745 00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:07.840 teams and triple teams, he should see that coming before. Now he has 746 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:10.800 to make a bad pass, make the initial pass and maybe you don't have 747 00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:15.440 to get into those some of those situations. But I think that's something that 748 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:16.679 they can both probably improve on. But to me, it's the handle. 749 00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:21.960 They gotta be able to get better dribbling or they need better table setters for 750 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:24.400 them to get them in motion as opposed to for them having to create themselves. 751 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:30.119 Yeah, so how do we eulogize this? Boston Celtics team Shaw. 752 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:35.000 They to me, are probably the toughest to eulogize because it's not about the 753 00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.239 expectation that they you know, of them going to the finals. Like like 754 00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:39.960 we were talking about when we were watching this series against the Miami Heat, 755 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:44.119 I would have just preferred that they just got blown out in the water and 756 00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:47.760 got swept, so that this way I could be honest about my feelings and 757 00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:51.920 saying that this team is still not ready even though I wanted them to be 758 00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.039 ready, and it would have validated that really was all about that second half 759 00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:59.679 hype that got them to this particular point. But when you see what they 760 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.320 showed you through the course of the regular season, and I know that part 761 00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:07.400 of it is the mentality their approach to how they should be looking at this. 762 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:08.760 You know, the one thing that really sticks out at me when I 763 00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:13.760 think about the Celtics Shaw is that they don't have that killer instinct. They 764 00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:19.039 have preservation in them, They have this level of yeah, we deserve to 765 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:21.840 be in that conversation. I think we deserve to be here, But they 766 00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.280 don't have that killer instinct. They don't have like that that to me that 767 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:29.440 I'm gonna put my foot on somebody's neck. They seem to still keep playing 768 00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:31.400 with their food, bro And that, to me is the thing that disturbs 769 00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:35.559 me. When you've got guys as talented as this, you got guys who 770 00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.119 say that you know, they sat down and had conversations with Kobe Bryant, 771 00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:42.039 and you know they lean on all of it. All of that means nothing, 772 00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.800 because in the grand scheme of things, what you do is don't allow 773 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:51.880 teams who you have been playing against over the last three four years expose you 774 00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.440 even further to where you are, not even in your talents, but more 775 00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:59.920 so in your approach to how you see the competition. Well, I mean 776 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:01.719 it was a collective failure, you know, I think top down. I 777 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:06.039 mean, if you're going to I'll do these quick glancing blows if you will. 778 00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.440 I think Stevens probably had a misstep by only getting Mike Muscala at the 779 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:14.360 trade deadline. Amscala was a non factor. They needed another wing, and 780 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:16.400 with the way second round picks were going in the deadline and for depth that 781 00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:21.880 Celtics obviously clearly needed, they probably should have did more there too. Obviously 782 00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.599 we talked about them not getting more assistance there and Mozoula didn't do enough for 783 00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:30.559 ast year coach in a high high, highly volatile situation. So he'll get 784 00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:34.079 better, but he needs support. And I think the players themselves, as 785 00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:37.119 you alluded to, I think that's a great, great line. They have 786 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.960 preservation skills, but that killer instinct has never really been there for them. 787 00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.519 And as much as we love and law A tot Tatum and Brown, there's 788 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:47.840 another level to this. There's a dog level to this that they just are 789 00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:52.039 not quite at yet, and nobody on the team is. So they just 790 00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:57.599 tried to do it by overall team talent and chemistry and front run so that 791 00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:00.159 they don't have to kind of look themselves in the mirror and kind of dig 792 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.559 themselves out when things get really, really really rough, you know, once 793 00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:07.559 things starts to go off off off the rails. They've had a hard time 794 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:13.760 kind of riding the ship. That's but again that's not a it's not necessarily 795 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:15.719 a roster thing, as it is a kind of an internal situation. So 796 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:20.639 when you're probably probably eulogizing them, I look at a team that has one 797 00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.559 hundred and sixty three million dollars in contracts committed. They got to figure out 798 00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:28.840 what they're doing with Grant Williams And if not, then you know, how 799 00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:30.960 does that replace? How does Gallinari come back if he comes back next year, 800 00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:36.199 and what role does he play? But this roster is pretty much landlocked 801 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.920 for a little while here now, and I think it's now it's a matter 802 00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:45.239 of can they get over the proverbial hump and unfortunately, well fortunately slash unfortunately 803 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:49.320 for them the last two years. Saved Tatum's ankle injury to begin the Eastern 804 00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:52.000 Game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals. They've been mostly healthy. Can you 805 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:57.239 can you count on that year over year over year? And I don't know 806 00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.360 that you can, especially with the way the things are changing and everybody else 807 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:04.480 is trying to improve and get better. I think they all have a long 808 00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.000 road ahead of them. This should have been their year and it wasn't, 809 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.000 and they're going to look themselves in their mirror and really regret. You know, 810 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:15.360 there's twenty two, twenty twenty three season soul searching, right, soul 811 00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:19.599 searching? I mean, this team definitely needs to do some serious soul searching. 812 00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:22.639 Don't come have us look for their soul. You know what I'm saying. 813 00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:28.199 We were not them boys? We got white jackets on. You don't 814 00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:30.079 want us come in searching for their souls, right, so they need to 815 00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:34.840 find them. They need to find their souls themselves, and hopefully there will 816 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:37.400 be a better version of the bus and Celtics. You know, they'll be 817 00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:42.880 right back where they you know, where they were this time around. But 818 00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:46.599 it'll be interesting to see what version of them comes into that, you know, 819 00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:50.800 Eastern quote unquote Eastern Conference Finals. If they get to that point, 820 00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.960 you know, will they be able to truly appreciate the difficulties and how hard 821 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:57.719 it is to be able to do this for as long as they've been doing 822 00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:00.800 it and finally see this thing through. And I think the only way that 823 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:04.000 you're going to see that is you see that maturation through the course of the 824 00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.079 regular season. You know, people pooh poohed the regular season, it's too 825 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.519 many games? Is that in the third the regular season is exactly the reason 826 00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:15.199 why it is because you you begin to see what the team truly manifests itself 827 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:19.480 after going through all of that, of what they're going to need in order 828 00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:22.639 to get to that next level, to take that next level. And it's 829 00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:25.760 ironic that the one team that everybody completely counted out. Was the one team 830 00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:31.599 that exposed their soul one year to the date of what they did to them 831 00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:36.079 in return. Awesome, just I mean, you couldn't have you couldn't have 832 00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:40.559 written written it better. It's just awesome. And we thank you the Miami 833 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:45.159 Heat. We ought to probably bring the Miami Heat metal examiners. And it's 834 00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:47.159 the next time we start doing these autopsy reports. We'll see them soon. 835 00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:52.559 Oh man, this has been an awesome show. Shaw. You know we 836 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:57.559 we we've been been touch and go. Man. Even even our technology is 837 00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:00.280 was on the uh you know what I'm saying, it was flatlining a little 838 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:04.960 bit. We somehow made made it work and we pulled it through to be 839 00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:08.559 able to properly autopsy the Lakers and the Celtics. Yeah, and the longer 840 00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:12.400 this goes, I was crossing my finger hopefully my WiFi didn't give out, 841 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.480 but you know, the internet gauzes said go ahead and eulogize. You know, 842 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:21.000 these Boston Celtics and this lost they're probably Nuggets fans. They were probably 843 00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:24.199 Nuggets do it one time for you know, for for for the podcast industry. 844 00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:28.159 So um, there's always pleasure to be here with you. My guy. 845 00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:30.360 Hope our friends listeners enjoy this one. Let us know what you think 846 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.639 about the Lakers and Celtics. What should they do this offseason? How will 847 00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.000 they be better? Will they both be back in the conference finals respectively? 848 00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:40.320 Or you know where the team's ultimately usurped them? Where do you say? 849 00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:45.599 Expect big changes with those teams and rosters um with trades or whatever the helse 850 00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:52.840 or potentially retirements coming along in the case of one Lebron James So great show, 851 00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:54.480 I say, this summer league is gonna be interesting. I'll tell you 852 00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:59.119 that summer league will be very interesting. We'll see we'll be sitting in front 853 00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:02.760 row. When when when the when? When? When the when? The 854 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:10.079 Pistons play the uh play the Suns. As always, man, we appreciate 855 00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:13.800 using you and yours for hopping on a board with us this week for the 856 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.159 baseline. Kylie Warrenshaw, we appreciate you guys. You know we do. 857 00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:19.079 We'll catch up with you next time.