WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.399 --> 00:00:05.719 And we're live. This is Plant Ditty Podcast. I'm Matthew and I'm Stephen. 2 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:23.519 So for this month's Chile and Chat, we thought we'd revisit propagation because 3 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:27.320 it's been a little while. Have we seen anything interesting or new lately? 4 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:32.200 What's going on in our propagation lives? Why are we doing the propagation we're 5 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:34.880 doing right now and so forth. Yeah, and this is a great time 6 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:38.600 if you're in the Northern Hemisphere to start propagating stuff. It's warmer, the 7 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:42.840 days are longer, and plants are largely entering active growth. You both had 8 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:46.439 fresh plant material to trim and propagate, as well as a few nice months 9 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:50.439 ahead for them to establish into their own self actualized plants. 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Yeah, because we're going to be hosting a Pride 25 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:53.200 and Father's Day fundraising event at the Volunteer Park Conservatory on June eighteenth, and 26 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.959 we're so excited to see you there. We're going to share plant parenthood stories 27 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.439 too, from our own lives and those community. If you have one you 28 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:05.000 think we should share, please send us an email with subject line plant Parenthood 29 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:08.039 Story to Plant Daddy Podcast at gmail dot com. More details and ticket info 30 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:12.639 to come soon. So Stephen and I are both dedicated Plant Daddy. So 31 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:15.840 who don't mind the look of grow lights indoors. That's right, it's for 32 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:20.159 the plants. They need that light. But you know, not everyone feels 33 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.039 that way. I know other plant parents who are very reluctant about the look 34 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:28.240 of artificial light. And I even heard your own husband complain about how the 35 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:30.599 grow lights in your last apartment gave him a headache. Okay, I'm so 36 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:35.400 glad you remember that and brought him up. Brian. Come tell Stephen what 37 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:38.439 you were telling our friends about my new Soultech pendent light. Oh hi, 38 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:43.159 Stephen, Hey, okay, be honest, what do you think about the 39 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:46.840 soul Tech plant light. I can't believe how unobtrusive it is. Matthew hung 40 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:49.120 it right next to a chair I like to read in, and I thought 41 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:52.199 for sure that I'd hate it. But it's just pleasant indoor lighting, like 42 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:54.400 the light from a normal light fixture that a normal person would have in a 43 00:02:54.479 --> 00:03:00.319 normal home. It's so much better than the grow lights in his office room. 44 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:02.960 Still gives me a headache. Well, there you go. He wasn't 45 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.719 paid or course to say this, I promise. Yeah. That is an 46 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:14.800 unvarnished reaction from a long suffering spouse of well you all know a very enthusiastic 47 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:17.080 plant parent, let's call it. So let's add this to the list of 48 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:22.360 reasons we're excited to offer our listeners fifteen percent off Soltech products with Code Plant 49 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:24.960 Debty podcast And as always, you can count on high quality lights, great 50 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:29.879 customer service, free shipping, a five year warranty and more. Checkout selfex 51 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:34.120 solutions dot com and don't forget Code Plant Debty Podcast at checkout to get fifteen 52 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:40.400 percent off your order. All right, so let's chat propagation. We might 53 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:46.280 casually mention from time to time when we're propagating things and our infrequent plant updates, 54 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:50.360 or we'll discuss propagation techniques that are relevant to the specific plant that's our 55 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.919 topic for the week. But it's been a while since we just deliberately accounted 56 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:58.719 for what we've got rooting at our own propagation stations. So, like I 57 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:01.479 said in the intro, it's things are ready for pruning. Plant meetups have 58 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:04.879 started again and it's a great time to start new plants. Yeah, so, 59 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:11.400 Stephen, what cuttings are new in your life? Okay, I've been 60 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.520 doing a lot of pepper roma cuttings. I have not done that in years. 61 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:18.879 Yeah me, okay, I haven't really done that since the Piccolo Banda 62 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:21.920 experience maybe a year or two ago for us, and that's a good one. 63 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:28.079 Yeah. So this started when you gave me those pepperroma in canna cuttings 64 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.879 a few weeks or maybe months ago, hard to remember kind of this point. 65 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:36.319 Yeah, I tried putting the entire stems into water, but that wasn't 66 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.839 really working. I don't know if the cuttings, like maybe I didn't get 67 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:45.079 them into water fast enough that suspect. So then I took leaf cuttings from 68 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:49.199 those and here we are today. Yeah, I haven't tried that one from 69 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:54.439 leaf cuttings. It's a pretty fleshy plant. It's a little bit more of 70 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:58.480 a succulent pepper roma than some of the more tropical pepper romias. Yeah, 71 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.120 it's a cool one, very sort of fuzzy and cuddly. Yeah. I 72 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:06.600 think that incana actually means something about gray, and it has nothing to do 73 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:11.560 with the inca people. It's it's more about that fuzzy, felted look that 74 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:15.199 the leaves have. So what did you do with them? So I took 75 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:18.680 a glass candle holder that is kind of perfect and small one of those things 76 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.639 that like I bought on a target run. You know, yeah, I'm 77 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:28.759 like just some little yeah, like, um, I put the incanna cuttings 78 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:32.160 in there. I threw in some Peppermia green bubble, which is a cool 79 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:36.959 one if you haven't googled that ever. Also a Pepperomia elongata that I got 80 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:42.480 locally recently. That's actually for you, but I took a leave. Sorry. 81 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:46.639 That one kind of gives me some like philodendron vibes, like Chris, 82 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.759 Yeah, I would have thought that about the plant. Actually, um, 83 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:53.279 if I hadn't touched it, I guess it's cool. But you know, 84 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:57.600 I guess I've been mostly propagating hoy as lately as everyone seems to be, 85 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:00.759 so like the pace of Peppermia through me a little bit. Actually, I 86 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:04.399 felt like when I put them in water, they didn't do anything for longer 87 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:08.920 than I thought was normal, and then suddenly I look they had like exploded 88 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:13.399 with roots kind of overnight. So yeah, this is not like a groundbreaking 89 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:17.600 story really, but I will say I forgot how satisfying this kind of propagation 90 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:23.560 can be. It's a reason that people get into plants because they put like 91 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:28.160 a Peppermia or an African violet leaf in a little vase or votive if you're 92 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:31.439 you, and then the little baby plants form after the roots. Yeah right, 93 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:35.560 experienced plant parents probably know this. Pepperammia is just a great genus for 94 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:42.120 this. It's giving me really good root porn feelings. It feels like a 95 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:46.240 super easy wind compared to the other plants that I grow right now or just 96 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.480 like in my plant parenthood life, which is a struggle I choose, I 97 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:53.759 know. So, Yeah, if anyone else is an old, jaded plant 98 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:56.720 person like me, maybe revisit this. If you haven't in a while, 99 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.959 like just saying it's been fun. Yeah, haven't of them growing baby plants? 100 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:02.639 Are you still just at the root stage? Actually, I have some 101 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:06.120 little baby plants coming too, and I'm not really gonna wait for that. 102 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:09.959 I feel like I'm gonna just kind of put these into a pot, like 103 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:13.360 these aren't ones that I'm trying to grow into show quality plants or anything. 104 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:15.040 I just can't want the you know, to free up some space at this 105 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:18.439 point. Yeah, but yeah, little ones are coming, so you know, 106 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.079 by the time I get around to it, I probably will see those. 107 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:25.160 Knowing me, I love that. So how about you, Matthew. 108 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:29.279 You know, I don't really have much propagating right now. I do have 109 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:32.399 a few glasses or takeout containers of what spagnum moss with some haroid cuttings. 110 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:38.639 There's nothing really too exciting. It's basically remember when we talked in episode one 111 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:43.319 thirty one about like adopting an old plant, and I mentioned how sometimes propagating 112 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:47.160 the pruned parts of an overgrown plant is just a good way of either restarting 113 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:51.560 that plant as kind of like a bush your specimen, or you can restart 114 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:56.959 a fresh, new full pot of something with those cuttings. Yeah. Well, 115 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:01.120 a good example of that is my philodendron lemon line. It's kind of 116 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:05.120 a really great philodendron that I've seen a lot of recently. But it's going 117 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.519 by a trade name Golden Goddess, but it's actually patent as lemon lime. 118 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:15.879 Anyway, It's a really beautiful shartruse cultivar of Philodendron domesticum. And I've had 119 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:20.120 this plant for years. I got it for free from Miles like over winter 120 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:24.120 he got a plant in a shipment that was pretty like cold damaged from a 121 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.959 cold snap. The way had over the winter, and it's really done well 122 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.240 for me. It became a very dramatic trailing specimen hanging in a window. 123 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:35.759 Now it's sitting on a bookcase, trailing like six feet and like the vines 124 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:39.000 are growing back up. So it was kind of time to start removing some 125 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:45.000 of those longest vines because after three plus years of growing, they were getting 126 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:48.159 a little bit bare at the top. And I actually posted a video of 127 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:52.679 what I did for this a few weeks ago on Instagram one episode one thirty 128 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:54.519 one came out, But basically, I just took a bunch of little takeout 129 00:08:54.559 --> 00:09:01.080 containers, put some moss in, and then I had single note cuttings that 130 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:03.759 I just kind of tucked in and by now it's, you know, a 131 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:09.919 couple months later, they've all put out substantial route growth and they're starting to 132 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:13.399 shoot out some new growth from the nodes themselves, so they're going to be 133 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.159 potted up soon. And the first going to start out is kind of like 134 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:20.240 bushy upright plants, like you often see them for sale. But then as 135 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.039 they grow, they're going to become trailing plants again. So I'm thinking ahead 136 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:28.960 to who I'm going to give those two slash where I'm going to put new 137 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:33.840 pots of this really beautiful trailing plant to kind of continue that look okay, 138 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:39.480 yeah, and then the other aeroids that I have kind of similar thing. 139 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.480 You know how much I love this sin Dapis trebi, that moonlight plant, 140 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:48.840 right, Yeah, I have one full pot of that that's not big enough 141 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:54.200 to be propagating. But my first plant has grown some trailing vines that have 142 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:58.279 been kind of bare. They're growing like runners without leaves, So I trimmed 143 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:03.840 those off and I tucked those into moist sphagnum moss. But they're extremely slow 144 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:09.480 to root and start growing new plants. Yeah, you've said that this is 145 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:11.279 one that I have to google. Each time you mention it, I will 146 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:16.639 stand in my truth. I'm just a little Syndapsis blind or something. But 147 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:18.320 yeah, it's a pretty one. This is really it's a really different one. 148 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.639 It's people don't know it, Honestly, one of the prettiest aeroids that 149 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.159 I grow, like. I just love the leaves and I wish that they 150 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:31.320 were faster to propagate, because if you grow like the Syndapis pictus or exotica, 151 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.159 like those ones with the silvery blotchy leaves. They are so much faster 152 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.120 to get going. Yeah, But I also have the Syndapsis jade satin, 153 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:45.480 which is the same as like Pictus argiris, like all those ones, but 154 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:48.960 it doesn't have the variegation. It just has like deep colored leaves. And 155 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:52.320 I mentioned when we were talking about how slow it can be to propagate plants 156 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:56.519 sometimes that I had a cutting that I bought online of this plant. I 157 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:01.559 had it rooting in a shot glass for a really long time. Actually, 158 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.720 I also have this on Instagram. It's one of our earlier reels. And 159 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:09.200 that plant finally has several new leaves, like two of them are from when 160 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.720 it was in soil, two of them are from when it was in the 161 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:16.320 moss shot glass. The new leaves are huge, so that one's looking good. 162 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:20.080 I feel like that plant is finally a propagation success. And my other 163 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:24.759 plant that has yards of trailing vine, I think I'm going to start cuttings 164 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.600 in the same way. But then the last one, I have some epipremanum 165 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:33.120 penatum, both like the standard green one and Sea Boo blue that I'm doing 166 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:37.679 propagation on. My Baltic Blue isn't big enough to propagate from now to have 167 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:43.039 the standard green Epipremnum panatum growing fresh shoots out of moss from some single node 168 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.480 cuttings. I'm going to put that on a moss pole while it's still young 169 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.240 so that I can just immediately get it to begin climbing because I want to 170 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:54.559 get some of that mature fenistration. This plant seems to fenustrate really early compared 171 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.240 to see Boo blue, so I'm really excited to get those on moss. 172 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:03.279 Yeah, even the cuttings you gave me that's already already have some like yes 173 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:07.679 fenestration, I guess, or some splits, and that's that's the Baltic blues. 174 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:09.559 So it's a little bit different than the standard green one. I don't 175 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:13.080 know how much different they really are, but yeah, but I did just 176 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:18.120 post a massible tutorial because I'm going to be going like hard into that technique 177 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.559 getting a lot of these young wearies climbing. I really want mature leaves. 178 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:26.159 So I actually have some mossibel experiments going on too. Maybe that will be 179 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:30.080 an episode soon for us. I think we should do a mossibel episode. 180 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:33.679 I'm really excited. Okay, so you don't really have that much exciting going 181 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:37.639 on, but you do have like ten projects. Okay, yeah, well 182 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:43.360 that's how I characterize it. Okay, so I am also doing dressera capenses 183 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:48.440 from leaf cuttings. That's the Cape sundo. That seems a bold way to 184 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:52.919 propagate that plant. Yeah, Like before you say, wait, why in 185 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:56.799 the heck would you do that with such a common weedy ish plant. Well, 186 00:12:56.120 --> 00:13:01.799 lately there are a lot of people collecting site specific forms that have like 187 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.200 really different you know, shapes and sizes. The one I'm trying, I 188 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:09.200 guess, is like a super large form. Okay. Yeah, So there's 189 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.159 a few ways you can do this with these plants, and I'm kind of 190 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:16.440 trying a few at once because I haven't really done or Sarah propagation like this 191 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:20.039 in a while. Yeah. So, you can put the leaves in wet 192 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.200 live sphagnum moss I'm trying that. You can put them in carnivorous soil as 193 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.840 well, just peat and pearlite mix. I am doing that too. I 194 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:33.480 have both of these under a glass dome just to get maximum humidity. Yeah 195 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:35.720 yeah, and to protect them from fungus snats. This is like one of 196 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:41.840 the few stages that I'm aware of where carnivorous plants are susceptible to this past. 197 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:45.679 Actually, the last time that I did ping leaf cuttings like leaf pullings, 198 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:50.000 the fungus snat larvae done them in Oh okay, interesting. Yeah, 199 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.720 Also I have just a leaf in water, like in a closed bottle. 200 00:13:54.840 --> 00:14:01.360 All these are typically done under like carnivorous level, like high light levels. 201 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:07.080 Yeah. Yeah, And you know, how's it going pretty terribly actually, 202 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:11.639 be honest, like, nothing's really happening right now in any of these scenarios. 203 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.080 Maybe the cuttings I got were a little bit old, or I waited 204 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.600 a little bit too long. Leaves are kind of slowly browning and dying in 205 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.639 each of these scenarios. You know, I was reading more about like, 206 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:24.080 all right, you put it right side up, you can put it on 207 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.879 its side, you can, you know, just to make sure that it's 208 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.080 absolutely ideal. But I'm not really sure if this is going to work, 209 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:33.919 unless it's going to be something kind of late in the game. But yeah, 210 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.559 you know, maybe you can try again. I might not have any 211 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:41.159 luck this time, but you know, thoughts and prayers place I would hope 212 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:46.200 that they would survive long enough without rotting to get some baby plants, just 213 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.799 because the leaves are you know, generally kind of ephemeral. For most kind 214 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:54.080 of risk plants, you don't typically have very long, so I would guess 215 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:56.159 i'd probably have another week or so, but I'm going to wait until these 216 00:14:56.159 --> 00:15:01.080 brown off completely, and I'm just you know, that shouldn't be too long 217 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:03.919 to wait. But yeah, you know the singers crossed. Yeah, and 218 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.480 you know, luckily this is not some super rare species. I can get 219 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:11.840 other cuttings to try with and yeah, who knows, Okay, nice. 220 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.960 Yeah, Anyway, I'm told that seeds are a way to propagate. Two, 221 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.559 you're doing some growing from seed, Matthew, Yeah, I mean starting 222 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.399 plants from seed. I guess technically council's propagation because you're making new plants. 223 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:30.639 We recently talked about the bandarin plant and how excited we were to cut those 224 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.840 hideous, those super super hideous flower stocks with the seed capsules off of our 225 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.519 plants. Yeah, so as soon as we were done recording that episode, 226 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:41.679 I did exactly that, and I got those planted out in some cells of 227 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:46.559 a seedling tray. So probably haven't germinated, but that's fine if they don't 228 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:50.080 germinate that's also fine, but I'm just curious what that looks like. I'm 229 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.399 not very excited about that, it's just for the curiosity. But what I 230 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:58.440 am excited about is that I have successfully pollinated my four bobisa, which we 231 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:03.080 talked about way back in episode forty seven, who as the start of the 232 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:06.559 pandemic. I'm really excited. Weird, Yeah, I mean no, that 233 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:08.399 that's weird that it's that long ago. I mean, abuse is not weird, 234 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:12.200 you know, I love right right, I mean before you tell me, 235 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:15.320 like, I know, I could have stored pollen if I cared that 236 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.840 much, but that was like more trouble than I wanted to go with. 237 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:22.440 But the reason this is exciting for me is because this is the first time 238 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.399 that I've had my male and female both bloom at the same time as I 239 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:30.480 got them back in April of twenty twenty. Yeah, so I recently posted 240 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:33.799 a TikTok and reel of me pollinating them, and then almost immediately like I 241 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.360 feel like maybe the next day, I was able to tell that it had 242 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:44.039 been successful because like at the very base of the pistol of the female flower, 243 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:48.480 like the ovary began to swell and so at this point, like it's 244 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:52.360 almost reached full size, and I've got this little seed capsule that it's still 245 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:56.480 going to take a little bit of time to mature. Yeah, but you've 246 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:02.200 talked about how you've lost seeds, like literally lost them, because yeah, 247 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:07.200 they're just all over the floors of the various apartments I've lived in. And 248 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:08.960 I mean, yeah, I can tell my U four b absa stories you 249 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:12.359 know, after you've told yours, that probably makes sense, So just keep 250 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:18.079 going. Yeah, I mean what happens is the capsules when the seeds are 251 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:21.119 ripe, they begin to dry out, and then when they dry to a 252 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:23.920 certain point, they just kind of burst. Like there's this kind of like 253 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:29.119 tension built up that at a certain point, the moisture loss causes them to 254 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.799 just rupture and forcibly expel the seeds when they're ready to do that. And 255 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.839 it's just a good mechanism. Yeah, Like it's super effective. Yeah, 256 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:41.279 Stephen wasn't able to find the seeds that did that to him, and so 257 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:45.240 a lot of people will do things like cover their plants with a nylon or 258 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.680 put a bag over it to something. The approach that I did last time 259 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.160 worked super well and I'm going to do it again. This time, the 260 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:53.319 capsule begins to dry out from the top, and I'm going to keep an 261 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:57.160 eye on it from that point because then by the time that the whole capsule 262 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:02.759 itself is brown, but before with the stock that it's on has started to 263 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:04.559 dry, I'm just going to remove it, put it in a dish, 264 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.599 and cover it with some cling wrap. I'll poke some holes in so that, 265 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:11.400 like you know, air can come out, because I don't want it 266 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:14.599 to be too humid. Yes, yeah, I'll just wait for it to 267 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:18.680 finish drying on its own that way, so that when it bursts, it'll 268 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:22.119 release the seeds and like a little ceramic trinket dish. Yeah, that I'll 269 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:26.960 have like everything collected together. And then I'm going to pot these up in 270 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:29.680 the same pot together, just like I did last time. I'm going to 271 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:33.759 use a well draining succulent mix, but one that holds more moisture than I 272 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:37.319 do for the ones for adults like my adult plants. You literally gave me 273 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:41.480 a bag if you're preferred, like mostly granite chips and like mineral mix. 274 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:45.880 And then I'm going to keep these little seeds really bright and warm. Last 275 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:49.880 time, they germinated quickly, so I hope, slash expect that it will 276 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:55.920 be the same this time, and I'm going to try keeping them more consistently 277 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.000 well watered this time along to see if that speeds up their growth. Yeah, 278 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:06.359 we were both a little hesitant to overwater our Euphorbia obesa. But I've 279 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:10.680 heard from some social media plant friends of ours that young plants actually seem to 280 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:15.000 both tolerate and also enjoy pretty regular watering as long as they're warm and bright, 281 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:19.559 and they're going to grow pretty quickly. Yeah, Euphorbia are less sensitive 282 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:25.759 in kind of broad general senses to overwatering than a lot of cacti are, 283 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:30.000 I would agree. Yeah, yeah, I've never thought about that, but 284 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:32.640 like, if I have to say true or false, yes, yeah, 285 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:37.599 I mean that's a gross generalization. But the two year old plants that I 286 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:42.119 started my first generation of seedborne obisa, they are just starting to look like 287 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:47.440 proper versions of mature plants, and they're only like one and a half to 288 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:52.960 two centimeters across. They're so cute, they're extremely cute. But I also 289 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.759 have let them dry quite a bit and quite regularly, so it'll just be 290 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:03.680 interesting to see what happens with this more benevolent approach to rearing I intend to 291 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:07.319 do for their younger siblings. Yeah, I have many thoughts here. I've 292 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:11.880 been kind of laughing because there's a lot of parallels, Like I have been 293 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:17.440 trying to capture these seeds, which with a bunch of little mechanisms that I'm 294 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:19.240 just making myself. I feel like i go online, people are like, 295 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:22.519 oh, just catch him with this you know thing that you put on it, 296 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:26.400 like it's so easy. Yeah, I feel like I've engineered eight different 297 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:30.519 things that don't quite work. My latest one is I have just the kind 298 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:36.240 of bottom of like a clear Dixie esque kind of like little cup. Okay, 299 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:38.480 so it's clear. I've poked holes in it just like you have, 300 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.200 and this will at least catch the seeds that are exploding and they won't go 301 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:45.680 to other pots. So I'm thinking, like, Okay, I could potentially, 302 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:48.160 like I know what these seeds look like, I could find these seeds 303 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.680 in the bottom of this pot from the mother plant. Okay, not perfect 304 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:56.400 at all. Maybe I will do what you're talking about, like remove the 305 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:00.440 whole seed pod. Anyway, Yeah, I kind of looked at my you 306 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.519 know suculent table the other day, and I'm like, okay, well, 307 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:07.720 you know the weed in my collection is going to be four biovisa. You 308 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:10.799 could do work. It's so much better than Mother of Thousands. Yeah. 309 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.240 Wow, that just carve them at all, right, a little horror feeling. 310 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:17.960 Yeah, but this is such a satisfying, you know species, I 311 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:21.920 think, and along the lines of what you were saying about care, I'm 312 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:25.680 starting to do the same thing I used to, really put these under highlight, 313 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:30.599 treat them like kind of cacti cacti like in my collection. But I 314 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:33.519 have eased up in the light. I have kind of eased up on the 315 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:37.119 watering and the sense that I water more and it's kind of greening up. 316 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.640 I enjoy the look more that way. So I'm with you there as well. 317 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:45.079 Yeah, and I think that they're more flexible than we necessarily assume. 318 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.440 So if you go back and listen to episode forty seven, maybe don't be 319 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:52.799 quite as precious about it. If we gave that impression of salt there. 320 00:21:53.000 --> 00:22:00.920 Yes, yeah, okay, next propagation related topic. Have our propagation approaches 321 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:07.480 or opinions evolved at all lately? Have we seen anything surprising online like recently. 322 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:10.640 When you asked that question while we were outlining, I was thinking, 323 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:12.759 like, oh God, or people on TikTok train or root things and red 324 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:19.119 beer, like it's right in the title he was. I mean there's that. 325 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:22.920 I mean my feelings more kind of like, oh, shoot, there 326 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:26.000 should be there's something that I should be up on that I'm just not in. 327 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:29.279 What have I not known that people are doing for the last year and 328 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:32.960 a half. People have been propagating plants for millennia. It's not like okay, 329 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:37.640 but any broadly, I myself not like a trend I'm seeing. I 330 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:41.119 am doing more water propagation lately. Like I said earlier, I had been 331 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:47.519 giving things more of like a Hoya prop box esque treatment. So that's like 332 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:52.000 close changer humidity. Yeah, like it's wet medium but not like water water. 333 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:56.559 Yeah, well well actually there has been some water involved anyway. I 334 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:00.920 think I associate water propagation with like easier plants though for some reason, yeah, 335 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:04.160 pepper oman pathos. Yeah, but that's kind of why I had not 336 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:08.519 done it so much lately. Maybe it seems old fashioned to me, which 337 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:12.640 are like something from childhood that's like simple, but actually isn't the best when 338 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:15.680 I think people are also concerned about like, oh, no, I have 339 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:18.720 too much water roots. Like the water roots are adapted for that, they're 340 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:21.839 going to transition to soil poorly, which is why we've been doing like moist 341 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:25.839 mediums. Yeah, and like there are kind of reasons for that, but 342 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:29.519 there aren't like any great reasons. That's just kind of my feelings in where 343 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:33.160 I had been trending. So still successful otherwise. Yeah, Like so I'm 344 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:34.680 you know, I'm kind of getting back into water fish, how about you, 345 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:40.880 Okay, um, Yeah, I'm actually that's super relevant to my experience. 346 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:45.119 I'm still doing a lot of things in damp moss because kind of like 347 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.720 we were saying, I don't want things to grow you know, quote water 348 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:52.240 roots that are going to be a rough transition into soil. I have had 349 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:57.039 that experience in the past before. So to me, moss is good intermediate 350 00:23:57.400 --> 00:24:02.599 kind of approach because I have like a super wet moss to start with. 351 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:06.400 It encourages route growth, and then I just back off the water so that 352 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:07.960 by the time that the plant is ready to pot, I'm actually letting that 353 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:14.720 moss almost completely or sometimes completely dry between waterings. That way, they're adapted 354 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:17.640 to kind of a wedding drying cycle by the time that they go and do 355 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:22.640 substrate. But I am doing more things in just straight water because I'm realizing, 356 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:26.799 like I just have to initiate rue growth and once they're like an ant 357 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:30.599 or too long, like I can just kind of pop them up. He 358 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.759 was like a well draining substrate like I would use for the adult plant. 359 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:34.960 Like, yeah, I'm going back and forth on this. I've done some 360 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:40.960 hoyas in moss. I've done some pison water. They're both good approaches. 361 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:42.720 I think that it just comes down to preference. But I do have a 362 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:48.920 Hoya verticiliata. I think that's what it is. Vertis alata, vertis a 363 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.960 latta, thank you maybe yeah, whatever, Okay. It was one of 364 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:56.039 the first toys that I ordered online when I first got bit by the hoya 365 00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:57.359 bug. And it's one of the points that I gave you on our plant 366 00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:02.680 swap at the end of last year. That one the original cuttings that I 367 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:06.480 took that I put in a tumbler of moss, I like ripped a chunk 368 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:11.640 of that like hunk of ritted cuttings out and gave to you. But the 369 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:14.599 ones that I still have. I haven't boughted them up yet, and one 370 00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:18.480 of them is actually putting on up a dunkele and forming buds, so it 371 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.920 very well might just flower for me like in moss. Okay, yeah, 372 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.440 and like this is kind of how this stuff goes. This leads into my 373 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.680 next little bit. I think, well, yeah, seeing things online, 374 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.319 are we seeing new things lately? This is random, but I saw a 375 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:37.880 video where someone said that they strongly prefer propagation in wet per light versus wet 376 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.759 sphagnum moss. They were talking about hoys in this case. That just got 377 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.799 me thinking, you know, about how some people feel a certain way as 378 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:51.240 best I will see it. It'll strike me as strange, and then I'll 379 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:56.759 realize that I think this because I was assuming the opposite was best without really 380 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:02.640 realizing or really interrogating that either. So this is not a call out at 381 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:04.559 all to that person who has a great channel, right, But it was 382 00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:07.400 like an introspective moment for me, right because I saw that and I was 383 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:10.039 like, wait, what is he talking about? And then I'm like what 384 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:12.599 am I talking about? Okay, So I have a few thoughts. They 385 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:18.000 include like vermiculate and like ideas about like what is best and like how we 386 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:22.440 approach that is best? And but the first thing that I want to ask, 387 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:26.079 like just simply, um, why did they feel that it was better? 388 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:29.480 Like I I'm just curious what they found, Like did they find that 389 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:33.279 it was better for specific plants? How is he measuring this? Huh? 390 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:37.240 It was It was a really interesting perspective. So their thought was at the 391 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.400 per light allowed from more airflow to the cuttings and the filming roots, which 392 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.160 sounds reasonable. Okay, like at that stage of the process, that is 393 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:48.400 something you would probably want this. Okay, this was in a prop box, 394 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:52.480 so kind of like a closed environment, but but still like it's it's 395 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.839 more airy than like a wet wet you know, sphagnum moss could get. 396 00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:00.400 Yeah, but I you know, personally I kind of disagree still, and 397 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.559 you know, I have my reasons, but like, wait, how good 398 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:07.880 are those reasons? Actually? I've never really run them by anyone else, 399 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.440 you know, like see what I'm saying. Yeah, right, So it's 400 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:17.359 just how this goes. So what do you think about rooting in wet perlite? 401 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:19.880 I will react to this as well, Hoyo's or broadly, I don't 402 00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:23.759 think you do just wet purlight ever, right, Yeah, And when you 403 00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:26.559 were saying like rooting in perlite, my first thought was like, Okay, 404 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:30.799 well people have been using vermiculite, which I feel like is a super old 405 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.000 fashioned thing that nobody talks about. So few people talk about vermiculite. Yeah, 406 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:37.519 I feel like that one is it's like less relevant for us here in 407 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:42.119 our climate. I always think, yeah, I don't think that it's our 408 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:47.960 best material. I also think that if he's doing pearlite in an enclosed ultra 409 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:52.279 humid space with less airflow in general, yeah, that could really benefit it 410 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.960 to have things like perlite rather than something like moss. I tend to do 411 00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:00.440 my moss like in open air, so to me it doesn't matter, and 412 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:06.319 I'm letting them dry a bit and not packing them off whatever. But here's 413 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:08.720 what I think. It's just personal preference, Like this is the result of 414 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:15.839 trying different things with certain plants and seeing what works best. So in what 415 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:19.039 he's describing, yeah, perlite probably works great. It also makes me think 416 00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:22.359 about this goal that I've had for years where I want to just do some 417 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:29.400 propagation of Hoya's directly into Lecca and just have them grow is semi hydro plants, 418 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:33.519 where the cuttings go into a coarse aggregate, which is very similar to 419 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.920 what perlite is, and then just kind of let them grow from there. 420 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.079 This also makes me think of just the way that different things work better for 421 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:47.240 different people in different environments, different growing conditions. Yeah, and I mean 422 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:49.079 his cuttings were full of roots, like it was working, you know, 423 00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:52.480 question Yeah, I mean, like, surely it's working if he made a 424 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.559 video about it with like video examples of why it's working, Like, I 425 00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:00.079 am not going to question that. Like I use coconut husk chunks instead of 426 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.680 fur bark because it works better for me, So there's no reason why you 427 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.440 wouldn't use per light if that works better for you than moss. I personally 428 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.160 find that in the open air environments that I'm doing my propagation, moss fully 429 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:15.119 allows sufficient airflow to the roots because I just keep it at the level of 430 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.920 moisture that works for me in the plant. But I think that my takeaway 431 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.960 of this is that it's great to hear about other options and ideas that work 432 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:29.559 for other people, because you could certainly run into a plant that doesn't root 433 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:33.319 well in moss, and so maybe you want to try out peer light instead 434 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:36.960 to see if that works, Like yeah, yeah, And it makes me 435 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:42.000 think of like maybe if you had used per light for your compensus, just 436 00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:47.119 laid it on top of that, maybe that would have been a different experience, 437 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:52.240 Like I'm also thinking about. I tried peppermia in cana in water in 438 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.720 moist like growing medium that I would pot up an adult plant, and also 439 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:03.359 in Sphagnum moss. They weren't terribly successful, like roots were grown, but 440 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.119 ultimately, like I composted those plants before they were real plants, I think 441 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.319 perlite might have been better for those because of that airflow, because of the 442 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.079 drawing that it allows, and it might also be a better approach for my 443 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:21.440 more like arid climate desert ebagonias like I have keller manny. I I think 444 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:26.039 in Venosa those are really fleshy, succulent bagonias, and I think that purlite 445 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.119 might be the approach that I try for when I propagate those compared to two 446 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:34.440 moss for water. Yeah, a few takeaways. Roots were grown, that's 447 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:40.880 a good episode, name what roots were grown. It wasn't a total failure, 448 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.519 but but yeah, I know I think you're saying, you know, 449 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.920 no, but yes, but maybe I'm saying I think, yeah, all 450 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.160 of those well for him, and we're not going to question is yeah. 451 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:57.240 Yeah, here's my gut reaction again, not my researched opinion, necessarily chill 452 00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.599 and chat episode. Okay, of course, Well, my feeling is that 453 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.920 it wouldn't work as well for many of my plants the way I do it, 454 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.440 so and that's possibly true, Like, I'm sure it can work. 455 00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:11.799 It's probably the same way that he doesn't feel like moss works for him. 456 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.000 Yes, he was explaining, okay, like I'm sure it can work. 457 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.880 One thing that I would worry about is that pearlight is hard to find big 458 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:23.319 chunks, So I would worry that it's like too densely compacted, even though 459 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:27.480 it's so light and fluffy, Like, I would worry that it's too thick. 460 00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:32.319 Yeah, I mean that's the thing. The pearlight looked washed, so 461 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.799 that's a big part of this too. I mean in succulent growing, sometimes 462 00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.960 you wash, sometimes you don't. I would look at the pearlight and react 463 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:42.160 like, okay, this these chunks are going to be stuck to the new 464 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:47.440 roots. I think pearlite really gets stuck, like the roots grow into the 465 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:52.759 crevices and stuff exactly. And when I'm transitioning out of that very humid prop 466 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:57.240 box environment to my dryer home environment, why would I want these super drying 467 00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:01.359 elements stuck to the root. Right, So the roots that are coming from 468 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:07.160 very moist why should they go to hyper dry? Yeah? Right, I'd 469 00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:10.519 rather have moisture routaining sphagnum stuck to them. Like, if I'm going to 470 00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:15.079 have something stuck, like, have something that will ease the transition that hydrates 471 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.400 really easily. Does that make sense? Yeah? You and I are actually 472 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:21.000 like in the same boat on this. That's why I don't pick off the 473 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:22.920 sphagnum us from my roots. Yeah. Oh yeah, I heard yours and 474 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:25.480 I was like, I just shake off what's X. Yeah, I'm like 475 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:30.720 you're building the same kind of you know again for me, not scientific, 476 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:35.559 Like I'll often add a bit more sphagnum around the water roots, like when 477 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:38.359 I'm transitioning to the soil, right, So I it's like I'm actively adding 478 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:42.680 after the prop situation. I'm not taking it all away, Like I'm not 479 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.519 adding perlite around the roots. Then, So that's that was like my reaction. 480 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:47.359 But again, you know I looked at him, you know, he 481 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:51.519 had all these roots all over these these cuttings, Like there's nothing wrong. 482 00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:54.799 This is just my like you know, internal dialogue or something. Yeah, 483 00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:59.319 and this just makes me think about how, you know, a lot of 484 00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:04.079 times we fall into gardening practices because it's what we've learned, or it's what 485 00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:08.799 we've been taught by someone who has done something a certain way, and we 486 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:14.599 might hear from someone that it works for them or see something on the internet. 487 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:19.359 There's this passing down of techniques and preferences that might not necessarily be the 488 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.480 best way to do something, especially when you account for like different people, 489 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:27.519 different growing environments, different plants. So so many of us are just self 490 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.000 taught to Like what you're saying is the high end of like people who learn 491 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:32.839 from someone like no, I just figured this out. I feel like quote 492 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.359 quote, but like you're finding resources online, Like these ideas are not necessarily 493 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:42.119 just born in your head. Like there's this passing down of information. So 494 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.000 it's like if some of these aunt is like I always use cinnamon when I 495 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:49.519 do potting, Like yeah, why like does that do anything? Like we 496 00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.000 don't know it doesn't harm the plant. She has a beautiful prop box. 497 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:58.039 Yeah, yeah, I just work cinnamon is the best substract. It's two 498 00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:01.000 hundred dollars. It's extremely expense. Yeah, use the stuff from the Sri 499 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:07.880 Lanka anyway. But it's interesting, I think, to kind of get out 500 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.880 of our own personal preferences and like these bias ruts. Yeah, you know, 501 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:15.480 like there's a way that we do something and we're we stick to that, 502 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.679 and so sometimes it's cool just to hear about something different that we can 503 00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:24.719 try and then experiment with different approaches for different plants regularly, just to see 504 00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:29.639 if something that we haven't tried before it works. So for me, I 505 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:35.239 am still mostly doing my propagation and moist sphagnum moss also water. I have 506 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.920 tried recently doing stuff directly into mediums or soils to see how that goes. 507 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:43.559 I'm often disappointed by those results. But I'm also not using prop boxes. 508 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:45.800 I'm doing a lot of my stuff in open air. I'm curious to try 509 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:52.400 perlite. But I took a whole bunch of Pepperomia hope cuttings recently and I 510 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.639 was like, this plant is a lanky, bushy mess. Let's just see 511 00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:59.079 if I can trim it back, put a whole bunch of cuttings into different 512 00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:04.679 things, see what works. It wasn't super successful. They rooted in moss, 513 00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:08.280 okay, but then like portions of the stems rotted off. They straight 514 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:13.079 up rotted in soil. But I probably should have sterilize the soil. Okay. 515 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.840 So are you going to try perlite? Yeah? Yeah, but like 516 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:17.800 I said, I'm I'm gonna do it for plants that I think it makes 517 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:22.280 sense, So like my Ponia, Killermania, my vanosa, my peppermi and 518 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:25.320 cana. Yeah, like you let me know how that goes. I don't 519 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.920 know. I'm actually I'm a little intrigued now too. I yeah, but 520 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:32.039 you know, a footnote here. I'm also kind of like, you know, 521 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:36.719 isn't a big box of perl kind of wasteful? Okay, it seems 522 00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.280 expensive and that's my biggest kind of well, I mean, you know, 523 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:45.920 sphagnum isn't cheap, but you know, the moss that I usually use it 524 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:51.159 kind of travels with the plants throughout my collection in this weird little cycle doesn't 525 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.519 speak to you at all, Like it's like how Lecca travels through Like yeah, 526 00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:58.000 actually, yeah, now that I have some lucka, I sort of 527 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.320 get that. Yeah, like there's always one percent and all my substrates just 528 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:04.679 because yeah, I have noticed that from anything you you know, you give 529 00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.760 me. But so yeah, like I'll get some live sphagnum moss growing on 530 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:12.840 my curnivorous plants, I'll take that. I'll use it in mixes in my 531 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.119 prop box setups, you know, or I'll put it in my chunky soil, 532 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:19.320 or I'll put it in my curnivorous plants that like to grow in live 533 00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.400 sphagnum like ones that I need to refresh. And it's kind of like this 534 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.320 perpetual thing. So I don't have to buy that moss very often unless I'm 535 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:29.719 doing like a big moss bowl. So would I do this with per light? 536 00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.679 I mean, I guess I don't really know, but I feel like 537 00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.880 it would get all green after a while, like full of algae or something. 538 00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:39.920 I would maybe want to toss it. Would I use there's probably some 539 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:45.679 tips on the line for like bleaching and rinsing your your algae infectually. Yeah. 540 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.400 Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so you've fully peered into my unconscious plant 541 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:54.039 notions that are not very well examined or whatever. So you're welcome. I 542 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:59.199 just think that it's great to have more tools in your propagation tool chest. 543 00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:02.800 It's like I have tools for home DIY things that I've used for one thing, 544 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.400 but I have it there in case I ever needed again. So yeah, 545 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.199 to sum it up, you know, we offer no answers. Everything's 546 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:15.840 right, Yep, no one's wrong unless you're using rip beer like as we 547 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:20.039 you know, so far as we understand it. Yeah, okay, So 548 00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.480 Stephen, here's the question that I really wanted to get too. Why are 549 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:27.280 we propagating things right now? We keep talking about like we need to hone. 550 00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.760 Our collections were burning out. We have too many plants. Why are 551 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.159 we making more? Yeah, I mean we've been doing this plant thing for 552 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:38.239 a while. We're over the initial highs of propagation or something. You know, 553 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:42.760 maybe we're over plant gifting. Not really, but somewhat. I was 554 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.800 like giving a plant. Yeah, we know that propagated plants have a tendency 555 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:50.920 to pile up, particularly when there are pandemics, and plant swaps are kind 556 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.159 of half happening. Well, and something that I've noticed. Have you seen 557 00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:58.360 all the people who have like literal propagation walls of beause, like beautifully designed 558 00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.679 little wall hanging test tubes. And that's like design aesthetic of its own. 559 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:06.719 To just have like a thousand cuttings of different totalings, what do you do 560 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.360 with those? I mean, propagation furniture has arrived. I mean it did 561 00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:13.480 a couple of years ago. Yeah, but like it's a whole esthetic of 562 00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:17.039 its own. It's almost like propagation is in and of itself the end result, 563 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:21.480 not the growing of new plants. Yeah, maybe that's an episode of 564 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.960 it's you know maybe Okay, um, Yeah, My reason is you, 565 00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.519 Okay, I'm gonna blame you. You gave me those peppermia in cana stocks, 566 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.760 and you know you you kind of got me started again. And actually, 567 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.679 you know, I had a succulent pepperromia that I've been trying to propagate 568 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.880 and save, which actually may have got me started before your cuttings. But 569 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.280 you gave me more more cuttings. So which one did you have? You? 570 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.079 I'd rather blame you. Mine. It's called myeri. Oh okay, 571 00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:53.280 I think it's fairly rare. There's a couple pictures on Instagram. I remember 572 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:58.599 some people reached out about it, but yeah, it's it's just the roots 573 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.199 kind of died off. I'm not really sure how to propagate it. I've 574 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.840 tried a bunch of different ways, Like I'm trying, you know, wet 575 00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.440 sphagnum, moss, I'm trying water. I tried the you know, take 576 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.199 a cutting and let it callous over. That didn't really work either, because 577 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.400 I mean, these are succulent, but they're not you know, it's still 578 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:16.840 pepperomia so but they're like jungle succulis. I don't know what. Actually, 579 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:21.920 I don't know where these are from. But yeah, so you know, 580 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.519 fingers crossed there. But then I got the drusera leaf cuttings from the local 581 00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.280 meeting, so I don't know, I'm just getting kind of bombarded with cuttings. 582 00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:31.039 Maybe that's part of it, how about you. For me, it's 583 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:34.880 more like these plants have grown up, and I have a lot of plant 584 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.000 matter of this particular plant, and I like it enough that I'm not just 585 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:42.159 going to compost what I trim. And these are all plants that I can't 586 00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:46.039 just go buy somewhere easily and expensively, and I'd like more of them, 587 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:52.440 So, like, you know, that's the sinapis Trivii Moonlight or the Jade 588 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:57.519 Satin. And when I propagate these plants, most of the time it's because 589 00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.159 I would just like another pot of them somewhere, or it's like a little 590 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.440 pricey, so I can't just easily go out and impulse by a six inch 591 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.119 pot of it. Yeah, these are also plants that I would like to 592 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:12.400 share with friends. Like that's another big thing. Like if I'm cutting something 593 00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.079 up and I'm like, I don't want more of this, but it's very 594 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.480 special and I know that this is something that will make someone's day if I 595 00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:22.480 give them like this plant, I don't know, it's it's just fun, 596 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.760 and I like doing that. I don't want to be wasteful with what I'm 597 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:31.320 cutting off of plants. But there's also times where it's not about getting more 598 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.599 of a plant. It's more about like, I don't really know the best 599 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.679 way to propagate this thing, So how am I going to do this, 600 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:39.599 Like what's the best approach for in case I need to know this in the 601 00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:44.079 future, in case I want to I mean, here we are, I'm 602 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:47.440 you know, is this the twelfth time that I'm mentioning those succulent pogonias and 603 00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:52.239 peppermi in Cana. I wasn't going to say it yet. Yeah, I 604 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.559 know that you were thinking of though, but I'm also thinking about those really 605 00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:01.000 slow growing aroids that are beautiful plants, but they're not nearly as quick as 606 00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:07.119 like Ceboo blue or epper preminum aureum that you can just like quickly get to 607 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.280 grow into a nice plant from cuttings like that lemon lime philodendron. Like, 608 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:15.400 I want more of some of these plants. So I'm just kind of gradually 609 00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:19.800 trying to, you know, hone my propagation skills and kind of see what 610 00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.039 works for them. Okay, Yeah, your answer, I think was a 611 00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:27.719 lot more sort of adult. Mine was like, stop, I blame you. 612 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.000 I just kind of lashed out, but it's okay, I understand our 613 00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:34.719 dynamic works. Yeah, but seriously, what are you going to do with 614 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:38.559 these Who are these going to? Don't say me, oh no, because 615 00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:42.320 I know that if I give you a plant that you're barely interested in, 616 00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:44.840 I'm literally just giving it to your mom and I might as well just go 617 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.599 give it to her instead. That's right. You guys have a relationship you've 618 00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:52.159 never met. No, we've never met it, but she could an official 619 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.719 she got that bagon yet that we were passing back and forth, she did 620 00:41:55.719 --> 00:42:01.199 give it back to me. She's smart and you can give eventually. I 621 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:04.880 think No, I think I gave it away to someone else who killed it 622 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.280 the very end. Okay, well you know this is no way to end 623 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:09.920 an episode. Okay, rest in peace, you ugly Rex Bagunia. No, 624 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.199 it was actually beautiful. It's like red and black regardless. You ask 625 00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.880 me a question, what was it? I was saying, where are these 626 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.519 going? You answered it, Okay, it's my mom. Oh well, 627 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:25.480 so actually here's the proper answer. The plants that I'm deliberately propagating, I 628 00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:30.480 have specific areas. Remember how when we were talking about like plant burnout most 629 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:32.960 recently and I said, like, I'm looking for decor holes. I have 630 00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:37.000 some like I have a couple of decor holes that I'm like, this is 631 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.679 where i want the philodendron lemon line to trail off of this bookcase using this 632 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:46.480 east windows light. I want on this ledge to have these you know whatever 633 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:51.920 plants. Like, I'm propagating things with deliberate intention of where I want new 634 00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:55.000 ones to go. And then I also have like my little potted things, 635 00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:58.039 and I kind of HIV in my head, like, oh, this is 636 00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:00.960 gonna go to my buddy Dan, this is going to go to Andrew. 637 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:05.400 I'm gonna give this to my mom. Like okay, basically everything that I 638 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:09.039 have growing right now as into a new plant either has a place in my 639 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:13.360 home that it's intended to go for or a person's name on it. Yeah, 640 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.159 and I mean, hey, plant swaps, Okay, they're actually starting 641 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:19.119 up again. Well that's what. Yeah, you've already been to like what 642 00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:23.079 three in the last couple of couple I gave away a plant yesterday. This 643 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:27.280 seatum that is cool, but it just wasn't speaking to me. It's one 644 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:30.920 of the kind of like Trailee Ones. I don't remember the name of it, 645 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:35.039 like I lost the tag early on. Oh and yeah, this helps 646 00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.079 everybody. It doesn't mind me mentioning this. But I think Miles is doing 647 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.480 a plant swap at his store coming up soon. Yeah, Okay, I 648 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:44.960 saw that, So I mean they're starting at least in our area. Yeah, 649 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.679 go check out the plant Store in White Center on Instagram or social media 650 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:52.440 if you're in the Seattle area, because Miles at the Plant Store is doing 651 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:59.159 a plant swap. Sorry, Miles. Yeah, so yeah, anything else 652 00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.159 though, do you have any other plans for your presink? It's I think 653 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:05.639 that's about it. Just make room for the propagation I'm going to send you, 654 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:07.360 Okay, the propagation pits. You know, one thing that we're going 655 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.800 to talk about in its own episode soon. You did request some of my 656 00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:15.639 baby Platysarium Ridley, I actually, yeah, so we should have been propagating 657 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.840 those for years. My superbum is kind of finally on the way out. 658 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:24.440 It's been an extended battle. Oh I don't know I could pull through, 659 00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:29.840 but yeah, I'm going to have a you know, platysarium sized void to 660 00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:32.400 fill in my life. And I think I'm having a platistam renaissance, Like 661 00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:38.559 I want to get some flats of them literal. Okay, anything else, 662 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:42.920 Nope, that definitely covers it. All right, This has been planted Ditty 663 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.039 podcast. 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