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right now on a tearsday Tuesday.
So there it is, There it was,

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and what it's going to be.
Did I want to cover the news

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today? I thought about doing it
and then I didn't want to do it.

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I'll have to do it tomorrow or
the next day, and maybe we'll

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have to get into, you know, some of the serious news, the

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current situation in the Middle East,
of course, and everything else. I

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mean talking about Congress, what it
is they're willing to fund, what it

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is they're not willing to fund,
what's happening with the presidential selection. Yeah,

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I'll probably have to touch on all
that and find something more interesting to

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talk about tomorrow night. But tonight
I have regular Joe with me, and

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you know, last year and it
might have been two years in a row.

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I'm not sure now, it might
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I think it's been a couple of
times. I know I've had this conversation

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with him before, and I think
we did this live last year on the

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show, or maybe it was the
year before. But it doesn't matter.

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The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Okay, they got some inductees once

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again. And every year they do
this. They have a class of whatever

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year it is, and they put
people in, and does it really matter

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who actually votes them in? There's
one fan vote that goes on. I

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didn't even check out who the fan
vote choice is this year, et cetera.

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But I know it's happening, and
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a good one. In my mind. I like who's being picked. I

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like who's being offered up, if
you will. But let's get the take

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from regular Joe, and we'll hear
from you guys about this too. I

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mean, we always wind up talking
about music on Fridays. Let's talk about

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the Hall of Fame, what it
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going in. Regular Joe, see, I'm not doing news. You're here.

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What's up? Oh right, that's
that's great, because I just really

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don't look anymore. But but I
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for the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame, and right off the top of

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my head, I'll have to say
that some of these folks I'm surprised weren't

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already there. Well, you know, for me, Ozzy Osbourne finally going

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in. I don't know when they
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but that's my guy. And you
know, he got in there with Black

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Sabbath the course earlier. But that's
the thing. You go in with the

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band, you may not be in
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It doesn't matter how big your solo
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cetera. At one point, I
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at one point, ozzie solo career
definitely outshined his career with Sabbath, record

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sales wise and stuff. Now I
don't know if that's still the case,

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quite honestly, because Sabbath reunited and
toured seemingly forever until they officially retired a

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couple of years ago. But you
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there, and so does Ozzie Osbourne. But there is another weird mix in

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there, and of course there are
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Benata shape, et cetera about who
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on and the weirdest one. The
only one that greats against me so far

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that I saw is Share, cause
I have to agree with you on that.

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That's pop? What I mean is
that pop? Is that? What

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is Share? Anyway? You know? Like, really what is Share?

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I mean? I know, look, there's plenty of R and B stuff,

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there's plenty of hip hop. Some
people are are still pissed that rap

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goes in there, But Share,
I don't know. Share is weirder to

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me than Mary J. Blige.
It was also going in this year,

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right, Yeah, that is actually
stranger. And now there's another one that

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kind of runs against the grain for
me, and that's that's the Dave Matthews

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Band. No, see, now, what do you call the Dave?

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Is the Dave Matthews Band rock and
roll? You know? Is it something

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that should be? And there you
go. See again I'm forgiving with when

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people were mad about Public Enemy going
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that's Public enemy. I mean,
that's of course it belongs in there,

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because in a way, hip hop
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have been possible without rock and roll, and it still used the rock models

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for a lot of stuff. Indeed, I mean, you know, the

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industry changed and so on and so
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it had just about the same journey
that rock and roll did, uh

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where, you know, and people
complained about the same kind of stuff.

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It's repetitive, it's derivative, it's
not very you know, it's not much

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talent to it. Basic lyrics,
although you know what the funny thing is,

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And I was talking to somebody I'm
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this recently, when it comes to
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the good, wholesome, clean music
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roll was born, there's some pretty
twisted stuff out there that's right in plain

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sight. I mean I mentioned it
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you got guys wanting to sleep with
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tame, you know, mainstream meltor
mate sounding music, right yeah, with

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poodle skirts and the you know,
pompadors. Yeah, stuff like that and

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I mean the guys who were like
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older guy, you know, doing
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But also there's like the Eddie Arnold's
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look, and there's tons and tons
of music out there that is filled within

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nuendo that's all about you know,
sex and this and that. But let's

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not go with the American prudish thing. I find lyrics that suggest to me

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cannibalism, you know, that suggests
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And it's not just oh yeah,
of course blues artists and selling their

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souls to the devil. And yet
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beyond that. Like all throughout what
they call popular music, if you pay

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attention per minute or think about some
of what they're saying pretty severe. I

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mean, there's there's some murder,
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on, all kinds of strange stuff, you know. I mean there's guys

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guys killing people in songs, you
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nice because's got an orchestra behind it
and whatnot. But I mean, the

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anyway, the controversy that was rock
and roll and all that kind of stuff,

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and oh it's the Devil's music,
and it seems like anything that goes

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through that is almost eligible. Now
that almost works against my argument with Share

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and all this, where it's like
what is that? And what is the

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Dave Matthews Band? I still ask
what would you call it? Folk or

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jazz or somewhere in between? I
think, I mean, well, yeah,

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it's not, honest to goodness folk
music, but then again, some

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folk music would fit in the rock
category, right, yes, Now what

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is Dave again? What is Dave
Matthews? And how do you and here's

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the other question, how do you
even define rock and roll? The back

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beat, I think is the backbone
of the whole genre. Okay, So

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what you're saying is it's about that
simple, basic, danceable kind of beat,

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you know the she and of course
it's multi layered, but I mean,

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if you're breaking it down to a
body, you know the spot,

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the whole communication is that backbat in
rock and roll. And then of course

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you've got your dirty, dirty guitar, which that's what speaks to me more

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than anything in rock and roll is
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Okay, but there's a lot of
country music that's got a crunchy guitar and

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the same kind of back beats,
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you know, once you add the
twang, it's you know, and country

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has kind of taken the face of
many other genres just to stay alive over

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the years. I mean, it
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jug band music, or even even
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the zydeco Oh yeah, yeah,
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mean, you know, country has
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they started sounding like your soft rock
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boys, you know, and well
and then and then Shania Tween came along

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and it was indiscernible for pop in
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indiscernible at that point. And during
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you have these guys like Alan Jackson
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back to its roots, right,
I mean, look, there's some people

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that tried to go back to it, but there you go again, right,

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it's still how do you really say, there's a big, huge difference

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though, between that and rock and
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See again, and I'm using a
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use that term today. Does anybody
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the probably one FM station that you
guys have in your market somewhere, if

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you ever turn on a radio,
and I do mean I'm talking to the

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listeners now, there's probably like one
rock station near you. Right outside of

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that, who uses that term anymore? Rock? Rock and roll? It

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rocks? It's rock time, rock
and music, you know, I mean,

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yeah. The only time I hear
it used anymore is preceded by the

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word classic. And there's a good
reason for that is because it died.

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So you know, if you want
to go back and listen to what it

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is, you've got to go back
a couple of decades now, you know.

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Well, yeah, and it's made
up in many many subgenres. As

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I said, But again, I
see people that make the argument that hip

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hop doesn't belong in there, and
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is a natural progression from rock and
roll. But also I think of them

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are progressing from the blues. If
we're getting that down to brass tags,

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you know, well there you go. But then again, a lot of

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things that you could count as rock
music don't necessarily have that same old gritty

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blues backing to it either, because
again, all right, well let's take

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a look at the artist. Forget
about you know, Ozzie. I could

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go, you know, one hundred
different ways, and I know too much

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about the guy. But okay,
Foreigner, right Farner. See, that's

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one of my thought, we're probably
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out arenas in the early and mid
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plus is it Peter Frampton in this
class or is that? Yeah, Peter

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Frampton's in this class too, And
that's one of the others, one of

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the you know, that's the we've
now named the three that I thought were

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already there. I thought he was
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thought Frampton was already there, and
I thought Foreigner was already there. So

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I was surprised that they weren't.
You know, we should look at and

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see if Hot Tuna because it wasn't
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You know, I don't remember.
I do remember seeing this documentary one time

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on Peter Frampton. How he'd have
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or a guitar hero. Heading up
been marketed as a teeny bopper, right,

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right, But I remember the Hot
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the big question was whether Peter Frampton
was going to show up. So I'm

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not sure if he was like an
original member. Let's see in that joy,

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let me see Hot Tuna and the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

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Hot Tuna needs to be inducted.
Okay, I guess they're not at Wow,

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How Tuna. I don't know how
Tuna. Well, let's see lifelong

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friends and founding members of Jefferson Airplane, Jack Cassidy and uh, why can't

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pronounce that name? Jorma Cocaine.
Cocoen formed Hot Tuna in nineteen sixty nine.

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The band released more than two dozen
Well, okay, let's see,

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let's get Hot Tuna into the Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame. Apparently there's

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like you know online, Well,
there's online causes for everything anymore, right,

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I mean there's petitions for every single
thing. You know, bring back

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my favorite Gi Joe Toy, I
mean is out there, right, let's

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see pots on petitions. I would
consider that one, okay, And let's

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see sixty nine, released more than
two dozen albums and play thousands of concerts

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around the world. Don't miss their
Nashville stop. Apparently they're going to be

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on in Nashville. Oh oh,
wait a minute, they were already in

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Nashville a year ago. Oh wow. Takes a stage on April twelfth,

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twenty twenty three. So yeah,
oops, they already were there in Nashville.

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I guess. Okay, no.
I was just talking about this Rock

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Hall of Fame thing with a guy
that I ran into. We'll call him

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Batman for the sake of brevity.
Nice Batman. Okay, yeah, yeah,

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Batman. And he was talking about
his favorite induction ceremony performance and he

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said he couldn't remember what year it
was, but you two was performing Give

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Me Shelter, and Mick Jagger came
out on stage and performed it with him.

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Yeah. That is a big move
from Mick. Jagger. Loves to

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be the guy who shows up surprise, right, you know, hey,

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look, let's do this. What
did he do? He did that live

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aid thing that was funny. But
he wasn't the one who flew from one

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side of the uh on one side
of the Atlantic to the other. That

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was Phil Collins did that, But
I do remember that it was like Mick

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Jagger. They had a premiere video
of him and uh, which is really

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a crazy you want to talk about
crazy weird stuff, him and David Bowie

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doing dancing in the street together.
Oh that was terrible. The family guy

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did a whole cutaway event and Peter
Griffin's commentary was that happened in America and

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you let that happen. Yeah,
yeah, but weird thing. But Mick

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Jagger then shows up to do this
over weird, like bombastic sexualized thing with

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Tina Turner, right, yeah,
at Live Aid. It's it's anyway.

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I don't even know why I went
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That's why. Anyways. That's the
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for me, I love to sit
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you know, early seventies, late
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not the old old, but you
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song Bitch. I mean, that's
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have to watch Jagger perform, it
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at all. I know people love
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of mine, you know what I
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watch him perform. I never got
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young dude and they were like,
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They're very unique. I'm like,
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mean, I like some of the
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visuals, yes, that's me.
I can't. I cannot visually do it,

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even as cool as Keith is,
because I think Keith's really cool the

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way that he plays and presents himself
on stage. He's just like the cool

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classic guitar guy. But even that, Jagger just takes the eye and you're

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like, what is he doing?
Stop doing that? Right? And it's

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very strange, Like it's one thing
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moves. I mean, it's like
somewhere between I mean, I don't know,

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like a cheerleader and a stripper chick
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uh, mixed with Jim Morrison and
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much right with this weird like stuff. He puts his hands on his hips

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for some reason. Yeah, it's
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I know this isn't politically correct or
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kind of gay but kind of not
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it's it's I just can't tell what
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are you trying to tell me,
Micky exactly? Like, you're not sure

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what he's doing. But when you
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different proclivities and maybe it was sleeping
with David Bowie at one point, you're

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like, I'm not surprised at all, you know so, but you're not

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surprised, but you're also still unsure
as to where what direction he's going in

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even though he had the you know
the famous model uh you know the famous

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model wives, right. Uh,
Jerry Hall was one of them. Didn't

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you get another younger one or was
that? Oh? I can't remember.

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These degenerate rock stars that we idolize
in their sexual proclivities and it's hard to

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keep up with all of that.
What I can keep up with those that

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Roger Daltry has been married to the
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that's wild. Along with that sort
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is Keith Richards is still alive.
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he has any of his own blood. I mean that was one of the

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crazy rumors that went around in the
rock and roll world. Anyway, true

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enough, So anyway, I'm looking
at Frampton and I'm trying to figure out,

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now I know he had I don't
want to look at I mean,

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one of the first searches that comes
up, by the way, is Peter

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Frampton's wipe, and I don't even
want to look at it. But let's

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see what bands was he in,
because I was thinking Hot Tuna and now

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I see it's a duo, so
it can't be Maybe he performed with Hot

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Tuna for a little bit. And
I got that stuck in my head somewhere

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because I remember that somewhere in the
nineties that like there was this speculation whether

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Peter Frampton might show up at a
Hot Tuna show for some reason. Maybe

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he guessed it on a on a
on a song somewhere, who knows.

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Let's see was he in now,
Peter Frampton, though, let's be honest,

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every and I've seen this mentioned somewhere
and I don't remember what movie it

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was first mentioned in, but pretty
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the suburbs, they issued you,
Uh, if you were in any kind

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of suburb, they issued you a
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was like in everybody's house when I
was a kid, that record, two

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records set existed in everyone's home.
It seemed like anybody who had a record

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collection that, you know, exceeded
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Frampton Comes Alive. And I know
that was a big selling record, And

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it seems to me as though his
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came out. What's your recollection of
that? Ah? Well, I'm a

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bit younger than and you, So
Frampton was already bordering on classic before I

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was into the genre, you know, So I really don't have a big

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recollection of him up and coming.
Just he was already a staple with do

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you Feel like I Do? And
Baby, I Love Your Way? And

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what's the other one with the every
day Yeah, that one that always reminds

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me of a death from a family
guy saying and bring that thing that makes

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your guitarget wah wah wah wah wah
wah. Oh yeah exactly. I think

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that that's when Adam Carolla took over
the voice of Death unfortunately because they couldn't

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get what's his name to come back
again. But but anyway, yeah,

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that was great. Oh yeah,
Peter Prampton, come with me or I'm

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gonna take you to death and he
goes, okay, I'll do it.

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Bring that, bring your guitar and
that thing that makes you go wah yeah,

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Now I can't even hear that.
That's why I couldn't remember the title

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of the song, because every time
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that's what I think of his family
guy. So see, it's not

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just me, folks. You know, everybody goes out. Yeah every time

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Chuck brings up these cartoons for references
to things. But you know what,

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there's a reason they do these little
cutaway bits and it sticks with you.

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Yeah, So you know, any
pop culture reference in a humorous way always

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sticks with me. Well, let's
see, we could go to his entry

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on the rockhall dot com. I
think I'm gonna go there rockhole dot com

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and take a look at his entry
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they have him describe? Passionate songwriter, guitarist and cultural touchstone. Peter Frampton

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is one of the few musicians who
can evoke an image of rock and roll

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stardom with three simple words Frampton Comes
Alive. Yeah, that was the big

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thing. Anyways, go ahead,
I'm gonna skim through this see if I

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can figure out what else he was
doing, because let's see, he continues

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to write and perform. I'm collaborated
with rock and rolls of the lead,

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including George Harrison. So he collaborated
with a lot of people, Henry Nielsen,

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Let's see John Entwhistle of course,
from the Who, Donovan, Jerry

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Lee Lewis at one point, Ringo
Star, David Bowie, and even Dolly

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Parton. Oh that's cool. Who
doesn't love Dolly? I mean, I'm

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a I'm anti country music. I
just am. There is some of it

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that I'll listen to and enjoy,
but I never just sit down and turn

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it on. But you gotta love
Dolly anyway. And what's funny is I

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mean, I bet you that most
people don't recognize that he's got You know,

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everybody knows about Frampton Comes Alive.
But how many other Frampton albums do

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people even know about? That's the
only one I'm aware of, of course.

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You know, you know what I'm
about to do with these artists is

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just you know, pick a song, you know, what's your pick of

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their of their catalog to per se
you know what, what's your Peter Frampton

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pick, since we're talking about him
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he did a on that live album
and it was I don't remember if the

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whole chorus was the name of the
song or not, but it was a

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slow, you know, grinding,
little acoustic thing. And that was the

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other funny thing about that Prampton Comes
a live album is that a lot of

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it was acoustic. Some of it
had those weird guitar effects and he used

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the wah pedal obviously like you were
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But to me it was what was
it like all I want to be is

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by your side? Or whatever was
the name rat song? And that to

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me was the coolest song, Like
you could easily dedicate that to, you

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know, to the girl you liked, you know what I mean, And

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it was pretty cool. It had
some weird lyrics to it. You know,

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there's money in my pocket, you
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Weird stuff going on in that song, and you had open ended visuals

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to it and the acoustic version of
it. I don't know if there was

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an electric version of it anyway,
it was one of those songs on that

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album. But I'm looking at the
selected discography on his hallpage right and from

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the underworld. Okay with the Herd, it says in parentheses, nineteen sixty

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seven, I don't need no doctor
performance in rocking the film wre with humble

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Pie. Humble Pie. That's the
name of the band. I'm thinking hot

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too. It's humble Pie. That
he was humble Pie. Was he a

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member of humble Pie or just he
just collaborated? All right? Let me

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see. I think he might have
been a member. But let's look at

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that, because there it is.
I was looking for what band he was

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with, and I'm saying hot tune. I got it wrong. I don't

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know why I was doing that.
Okay, English band formed by let's go

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to this. Okay English band formed
by Let's see, where's the members for

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this year? Nineteen sixty eight background
and formation sixty nine to seventy official formation.

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Where's just a list of the members? Let me let me get away

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from Wikipedia because they got too much
crap on there. Humble Pie Official website.

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Let's go there, Okay, and
go to their bio because humble Pie's

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got a nice looking modern website.
Okay, cool, I've not been there.

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Let's see, when humble Pie emerged
a half century ago, they led

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the way blah blah blah class scalpiece
like nineteen seventy one's heralded live album performance.

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Yeah, here we go. Rock
in the film Moore nineteen seventy two

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is commercial commercial breakthrough. So there
you go. Let's see. I've got

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your original lineup right here. If
you want me to read it off,

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yeah, go ahead, humble Pie. The original lineup featured lead singer and

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guitarist Steve Marriott from Small Faces,
singer and guitarist Peter Frampton from The Herd

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There you go, former Spooky Tooth
ba assist Greg Ridley, and a seventeen

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year old drummer Jerry Shirley from The
Apostolic Intervention. Right, so the one

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guy that you never heard of from
the band you never heard of, and

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these other people. Okay, yeah, the seventeen year old drummer. I

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like that, but Small Faces again. See. Now that's the weird thing

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about seventies music too, is that
there are guys that are in and out

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of these bands, and you know, like there's more than one Yardbirds,

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is what I'm saying. And they
come in and out of these bands,

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and they're part of these bands,
but then they go on to do something

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else, sometimes as a solo artist
or you know, in the case of

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Lifted Rifts over there, Jimmy Page, you know, part of the Yardbirds,

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right, yep, he was the
bass player for the Yardbirds, weird,

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right, and then goes on to
become the Beast. He was a

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skiffle player before that. Describe what
a skiffule is. Kipple is like an

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English countryside folk country kind of music. Yeah, And isn't that one of

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those stand up things? Yeah?
I think so. Yeah, see,

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because I'm barely familiar with it.
So, but it's one of those weird

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instruments that you would think to see
in a country band, you know,

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like when when some of these guys
do these weird little skiffle was the type

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of music. But he played acoustic
guitar. Yeah, But what I was

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going to say is when you see
those stand up, those weird boxes,

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when you see those guys do those
runs, that sounds like it's on a

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guitar, but it's on like a
box, a stand up box. Yeah,

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yeah, you see that. I
think that they use those in that

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music heavily, like even more than
country music. Right. Oh, you're

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talking about the pedal steel Yeah yeah, Oh, that is the most atrocious

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sound that should not be called music. I could skin a cat alive and

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it would probably sound the same.
I don't want to skin a cat alive.

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I'm not promoting that in any way. I'm just saying it would probably

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make about the same sound as a
pedal steel guitars. Oh, it's atrocious

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to me. Who would be the
best known skiff ole group? Jimmy Page

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is the only person I've ever heard
reference to skifful Okay, I was just

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one that was a serious open wonder. I didn't know the answer at all.

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So so my pick from Peter Frampton
is do you feel like I do?

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I mean, I like the dirty
music. That's that's That's what I

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like about rock is it's dirty?
Yeah. Well, and that's the other

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thing looked Okay, So back to
what is rock and roll anyway? Right?

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It's dirty and I love it.
See, I think it's always got

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to have some kind of greasiness to
it. That that's another qualification for rock

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and roll. There's got to be
something that's over the line for the time.

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Yes, absolutely, you know.
And that's the weird thing again,

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is that Still though you could say
it's difficult to differentiate it from other music,

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how do you different she ate?
You know? And when you really

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press somebody, a lot of these
musicians who create it, a lot of

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them went to the default answer of
like pretty much like, well, I

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know what it is when I hear
it, and I've heard other people kind

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of describe it that way, you
know. But but really, honestly,

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what would be the solid differentiation of
rock and roll from other types of music?

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And if you can't make one,
then how do you argue that,

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you know, say, Dolly Parton
doesn't belong in the rock Hall of Fame?

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How do you argue And again,
I hate to say it, but

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how do you even argue that Schaer
doesn't belong in the rock and roll Hall

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of Fame? Except that I don't
know. For some reason, I don't

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think of her as I think of
Sonny Bono as more rock and roll than

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her. Yeah, I mean,
it was bubblegum rock, but still.

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Yeah, but you know when she
was married to him for a while and

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she was a do you recall,
Well, you don't recall it because you're

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younger, but you do know that
there was like a Sonny and Share show.

404
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:57.720
You ever see clips of that?
Yeah? I remember reruns of it,

405
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:03.440
Okay. Yeah. It was almost
like a just like a skit comedy

406
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.680
show almost with special guests and performances. Yeah, exactly, And there was

407
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:11.960
a slew of those for a while, but they had a fairly successful one

408
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:15.920
for a bit. It was like
heath Hall without the hay Seed, right

409
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:22.000
exactly, and then he Hall I
still love. I'd get a huge laugh

410
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:26.839
out of those corny jokes. Belongs
to the Rock Hall of Fame. He

411
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.359
aw, why not? Wasn't there
like a group of women on there that

412
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:36.519
were like the heath Hall Girls or
something? Hey, Buck Owens and Roy

413
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:38.640
Clark were on there too, man, I mean they were great. Oh

414
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:45.599
yeah, well again I saw that
family guy saying and now here's Roy,

415
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:49.759
here's Roy. That was a nice
And that's another thing that was before your

416
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.319
time too, So you had to
be watching the reruns of that too,

417
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.079
right, I know it was still
running when I was a kid. I

418
00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:03.319
was a kid in the eighties,
wouldn't there were two channels and you just

419
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.880
had to hope above hope that Reagan
didn't have anything to say that day.

420
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:08.960
Jeez, yeah, that's right now. I remember that running in the seventies

421
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.920
and then stopping and back in the
seventies. Here's another fun fact is that

422
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:17.920
country music existed on a couple of
AM stations in the New York, New

423
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.799
Jersey area, and that was it. It was like two country stations that

424
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.240
like nobody knew where they were,
They never made any real ratings, and

425
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.960
who the hell even knew about him
except the one guy you'd run into,

426
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.880
you know, that was like the
country guy who had somehow held onto his

427
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:40.200
cowboy hat because there was this weird
resurgence of like the cowboy hat and the

428
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.880
cowboy. Look what movie was that? It was that porno movie, right,

429
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:49.319
the Ronstone Cowboy or Urban Cowboy.
No, no, no, there

430
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:56.119
was a porno type thing. What
was it with with Marky? Mark was

431
00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:00.480
in it too, Bookie Knights,
that's it. And there was a character

432
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.240
in there to the black dudes running
around and now he's in a cowboy outfit

433
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:08.759
because it's stylish. Yeah, and
everybody's like laughing at him and all that.

434
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:14.480
But there was like literally a segment
of society during like during the departure

435
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.640
from disco era, that all of
a sudden it was popular to do cowboys

436
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:23.079
stuff. And you just you just
hit an interesting point for a segue to

437
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:29.240
you mentioned disco music. Yes,
and Cool and the Gang is nominated this

438
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:33.000
year. See now again, some
people would say they have objections to that

439
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.640
going into the Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame, But I gotta be partially

440
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:44.039
cool in the Gang. It's take
a look at where they're from, Jersey

441
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:48.200
City. I mean I didn't know
they were from Jersey City. I just

442
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.839
I just love Cooling the Gang.
I mean I like to watch them perform

443
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.240
and everything. I just get a
huge hooe out of cool in a gang.

444
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.400
And I like disco music. I
know that sounds strange him from a

445
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:05.319
rock guy. That's almost purest and
and I like the middle and you know,

446
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.160
as heavy as you can get.
I still like it. But dis

447
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:13.160
yeah, not just because they're from
Jersey but I love them and I used

448
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.480
to all the time on Short Attension
Span DJ theater play at least part of

449
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:22.519
what is it? Uh uh?
Not jungle boogie, Oh jungle boogie.

450
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.200
Yeah, I love that one too. That one is one of my favorites

451
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:29.400
because and that you can't tell me
that that is not you know, even

452
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:34.440
though it is disco, it is
also rock sounding, right it is,

453
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:40.559
and it's it had that resurgence hit
the charts again even in the nineties due

454
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:45.759
to pulp fiction using it, and
it was fantastic. The what Tarantino always

455
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:51.680
uses music almost perfectly in his field, right, and it's always reminiscent of

456
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:55.279
the time period. I mean,
definitely clearly. In Tarantino's movies. There's

457
00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:00.720
two things that are obvious. One
he watched it a lot of TV and

458
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:05.559
movies in the nineteen seventies. But
two also, he's got a foot fetish.

459
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.440
But outside of that, uh,
you gotta say his music use is

460
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:12.119
always intense. And by the way, if you don't believe me about the

461
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.480
foot fetish thing, check out he
admits to it. But check out some

462
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:22.519
of the ways every Tarantino movie there's
always like, yeah, close up of

463
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:27.759
Uma Thurman's feet, close ups of
Margot Robbie's feet, right, and and

464
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.799
intentional stuff going over whoever it was
that was playing the one of the Manson

465
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:37.279
Girls. That good god is is
does she get up on George Clooney or

466
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:44.000
does she get up on who was
it? Brad Pitt? Right? I

467
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:47.559
think it's Brad Pitt, who's like
the stuntman in the in that movie about

468
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:52.960
the seventies and was a time in
Hollywood? That's it. Yeah, And

469
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:57.279
and of course the the the Manson
Girls trying to hook him up and she's,

470
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.400
uh yeah, the whole thing with
her feet going on, there's these

471
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.839
what things happening. Even Sharon Tate
when she goes into the movie theater has

472
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.599
to take off her boots and put
her feet up in front of the movie

473
00:34:07.639 --> 00:34:15.000
that she's watching of herself allegedly,
right, uh, you know Living Doll

474
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:20.239
by the way, Oh yeah,
absolutely. And I mean look, I

475
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.159
would have never heard of Uma Thurman, guaranteed if it wasn't for pulp piction.

476
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:29.519
Same, absolutely the same. When
I think of Uma Thurman, I

477
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:32.599
don't even think of the kill Bill
Volume one, Volume two. I think

478
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.159
of you know, missus Wallace,
miss Neil Wallace is who I think of

479
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:40.920
when I think of exactly, and
I think she was, you know,

480
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.800
she just had a perfect She's a
little strange looking in my mind, but

481
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:50.480
perfect look. But even during Kill
Bill, uh, he focuses a lot

482
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:55.400
on Uma Thurman's feet. Okay,
some of it goes some of it goes

483
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:59.280
with the plot. You know,
when she's sitting there and she's been paralyzed

484
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:04.480
for a long time because she was
in a coma. You know, so

485
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.960
there's that, But then again there's
a whole lot of other you know,

486
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:14.400
clearly, uh, you know,
a fetish stroke shots of her feet during

487
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:19.000
different things. Uh, you know, you notice the intensity of even when

488
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:25.639
what's that woman's name, ah,
the Asian lady who is the who is

489
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:30.840
the head of the underworld, and
then goes Lucy Lou. Yeah, that's

490
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:34.159
it, Lucy Lou. Right when
she does her whole thing, what's the

491
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:37.440
big the big you know, the
big build up is her taking on for

492
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:42.519
clogs right in the snow, getting
ready to face her with the sword in

493
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.639
the as the snow comes down,
which is a great scene all the way

494
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:52.719
around. He did the same thing
with Bridget Fonda in Jackie Brown. Yes,

495
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.280
but see that's my point. Every
one of Tarantino's movies go this way.

496
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.239
Yeah, and and she had dirty
feet. I remember that scene.

497
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:04.599
Their feet were dirty man. Yeah, well they usually are. I mean

498
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.639
even when Mia Wallace first is introduced
in pulp fiction, right, she walks

499
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:13.880
out, you're looking at her feet, yep, instead of her she talks

500
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:17.119
on the you know, on the
intercom system inside the house. You know,

501
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:21.039
when she's doing the whole thing,
you're getting warmer. You're getting warmer

502
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:28.480
disco gang. Yeah, and cool
to see. That's the way it goes

503
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.480
anyway. So it's very clear that
he watched a lot of you know,

504
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:37.800
kung Fu movies TV in the seventies, blaxploitation stuff. Uh. He definitely

505
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:44.480
got into that and certainly wasn't all
about just keeping his culture white. Tarantino.

506
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:49.679
Uh. And speaking of white culture, we can now mention Foreigner and

507
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.800
my favorite Foreigners song. Yes,
let's go into that because here we go

508
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.960
again and something that you would think
has nothing to do with black culture at

509
00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:01.159
all, uh, Foreigner, because
I remember a time when there were still

510
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:08.719
guys trying to emulate Foreigner. Yeah. Yet Journey and I mean all these

511
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:14.519
bands I see is similar, like
Journey, Foreigner, Sticks right, Boston.

512
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:17.719
You know, a lot of these
is a similar genre in rock,

513
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:22.360
because, like you said, rock
is a very splinter genre anyway, right,

514
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:28.119
But late seventies early eighties Foreigner inspired
a whole bunch of guys who are

515
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.400
basically the foreigner genre of rock.
Like you just listed them perfectly, and

516
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:36.360
that's where that came from. Everybody
always goes, how did guys like Journey

517
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.719
or whatever? You know, what
was it? Kansas? Yeah? God,

518
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:44.840
all that right, yea, so
all that stuff. These guys weren't

519
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:50.480
necessarily pretty, but their sound was
solid. I think the Last Dying,

520
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:52.440
you know, the death throws of
it, the death nel of It,

521
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:54.639
might have been ready for this one. This will sound weird to you probably,

522
00:37:54.639 --> 00:38:01.280
but Huey Lewis in the news.
Was that classic rock, like fifties

523
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:05.639
sounding rock. Put Like, if
you threw those two in a blender,

524
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.159
the fifties sounding rock and foreigner,
you know, genre in a blender,

525
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:13.159
you got Huey Lewis in the news. You know what. I kind of

526
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:17.960
locked some of Huey Lewises, oddly
enough. I mean I don't ever sit

527
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:23.440
down and just intentionally play Huey Lewis
in the News. But no, but

528
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.119
if it comes on, yeah,
if it comes on, I mean,

529
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.039
really, the harder rock and roll
is not a bad song, and neither

530
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:31.800
was I Want a New Drug Man. That that was a cool song,

531
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:37.000
right, and that was the thing
that was a breakout for him, and

532
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.119
you know, here we go again. But see, that's that whole genre

533
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.480
of you don't even got to be
pretty. I mean, in fact,

534
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.159
I always laughed my ass off at
the fact that that one Diehard movie,

535
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:51.440
one of the terrorists looks just like
he should be. And you know he's

536
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:54.800
discount Huey from Huey Lewis in the
news, right, yeah, I mean,

537
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:59.280
and that's hilarious. They even see
family Guy brings that up too,

538
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:01.239
all right, I got a bear
and a guy who looks like he's from

539
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:06.159
Huey Lewis in the news. Yeah, and he does. Well. So

540
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:09.760
what you're saying about Foreigner actually leads
right into what my favorite Foreigner song is

541
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:13.360
to this day. If I play
if that comes on the radio, I'm

542
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:16.679
turning it up and it's Dirty White
Boy, Dirty White Boy. Well,

543
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:21.280
you know that makes the most sense
of anything you've said about why it is

544
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.920
you like the songs you do.
So maybe you can tell me it's that

545
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:29.000
that's like one of you one of
your anthems at one point, right,

546
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:32.679
yeah, oh yeah, man,
Can I can I curse for the sake

547
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:36.480
of the title of a song?
Yeah, go right ahead. Okay,

548
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:40.599
there's this song out right. It's
not very old and I'm trying to remember

549
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:44.760
the name of the band, but
it's escaping me. But the name of

550
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:49.719
the song is Don't Fuck with Joe. There it is, and I love

551
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.519
it. See, And I was
just my mind was just flipping through this

552
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:59.039
private conversation you and I had one
day where you were recounting fights that you

553
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:04.480
had had. Yeah. Lord,
every one of those hurt. Man.

554
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:07.960
I mean, you win a fight, you're still hurting. The next day.

555
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:13.039
I wish I had recorded that private
conversation between you and me and released

556
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:21.159
it as a secret podcast, because
Joe told stories for quite a while about

557
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:23.559
his fights and things he had been
through with his friends and why it happened,

558
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.320
and people that were his friends and
then weren't his friends, and guys

559
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:30.000
who wanted to pick a fight with
him, and the amount of damage done.

560
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:38.239
Boy, this is how you have
to surrender to the dirty white boy.

561
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:43.320
Uh, you know, the thought
process has got to be. Of

562
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.679
course, dirty white Boy would be
his thing, because that's that's like the

563
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:50.880
theme music for these stories. I
almost wish I could animate what Joe was

564
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:52.840
talking about during this. Uh how
long were we talking that day? A

565
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:57.320
couple hours, right, Yeah?
Man, Yeah, I went on for

566
00:40:57.360 --> 00:40:59.920
a while and you just kind of
wound me up and let me go to

567
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:02.639
Yeah. No, I know this
is hard for people to believe a listen

568
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.239
to the show, but I actually
sat back and was like listening for at

569
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:13.639
least an hour. Yeah. I
really got on a roll that day.

570
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:17.280
I remember being wound up recalling those
things because you know, you always get

571
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:21.519
that adrenaline rush in a fight,
and when you're recalling it, yeah,

572
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.159
you get a mini introversion of that. Well, this is why people always

573
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.679
go to the you know, remember
when nostalgia story when they tell it,

574
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.599
is so that they can relive some
of that emotion. They can put that

575
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:35.800
picture vividly back in their heads.
I mean it is almost like a form

576
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:39.800
of magic. And let's go back
to the discussion of the rock and roll

577
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:44.760
stuff and why it's significant see Farner. But but again, that's one of

578
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.159
those people that you would have thought, well, they already inducted Farner by

579
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:52.199
now, Yeah, I mean I
thought surely. I mean, they were

580
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.920
like the pinnacle of what I consider
arena rock, and they would have to

581
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:01.039
be a main staple of music at
least forty years ago, you know what

582
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:06.079
I mean. Like Forarner, I
mean, I know every band has reunions,

583
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:09.679
and the Stones are probably still touring, but you know, everybody,

584
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.119
when they have the height of their
career and then a decade or two goes

585
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:20.239
by, I think they're eligible to
go in right, And you'd think Farner

586
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:23.960
was definitely around long enough and had
had its peak long enough ago that they

587
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:28.800
should have been in there. I'm
much like I'm arguing Ozzy Osbourne. You

588
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.679
know, the peak of his career, his solo career would have been from

589
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:36.320
say eighty two to ninety two.
That's the absolute peak of his solo career.

590
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.480
A decade and then you know,
yes, he did have a career

591
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:44.000
after that. He kept releasing records
and then he did the Sabbath reunion for

592
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.960
the next I don't know, fifteen
years, because they reunited originally in ninety

593
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:52.679
nine and then continued to be reunited
at least all the way to twenty thirteen,

594
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.920
seeming to tour off and on,
and then they released a brand new

595
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:04.400
studio album called thirteen anyways, you
know, so, but that was Sabbath

596
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.639
And okay, that's the twenty years
of that career now in two different spots,

597
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.320
because from sixty nine to seventy nine, there's one part of it.

598
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:16.599
Sabbath got in deservedly. They grew
a genre from themselves. But Foreigner also

599
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:21.360
grew a genre from itself. In
my mind, yeah, they really did.

600
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:28.679
I mean, who would argue that
Boston is the same formula as Foreigner,

601
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:34.360
that Journey is the exact same formula, right, or bansis or even

602
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.159
sticks to you know, it sticks
with that weird way with their operas and

603
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:42.360
stuff. Yeah. Other than that, they fit that genre too, right.

604
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.840
So here we go a band that
really, you know, is the

605
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:51.360
progenitor of an entire genre. Again, you would have thought would have been

606
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:54.760
in the hall, but not yet. Now they're going in. I think

607
00:43:55.079 --> 00:44:00.159
I think Louke Graham just passed too, didn't he hmm, yeah, I'm

608
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.920
well, you know what, don't
get me on who who just recently died

609
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.880
and who didn't? Because is there
an in memoriam that's going to go on

610
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:12.960
this year? And I didn't go
all the way down and I couldn't find

611
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.239
the list of the odd ones,
you know, the ones where like you

612
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:16.599
really actually got to go look it
up to figure out who the hell they

613
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:21.760
are on the list. I'm figuring
B Pete might bring this up on Friday,

614
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.480
and I'm hoping he does. But
if he doesn't, whatever, we

615
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:29.480
covered it today a bit. What
ell who else is on that list?

616
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:34.159
Though? Again I mentioned Mary J. Blige. A tribe called Quest,

617
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.840
but I'm not familiar. I know
I've heard of a tribe called Quest,

618
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:39.960
but I'm not sure that I've ever
heard any of their music. Well,

619
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:44.440
and there's a weird thing, because
you would have thought Foreigner would have definitely

620
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.639
been in before a tribe called Quest
anyway. Oh yes, I mean a

621
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.440
decade ago, you know, and
a tribe called Quest was influential in the

622
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:55.880
hip hop community in R and B. Yes, but they were one of

623
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:59.559
those I don't think they had that
many albums. I'd have to you know

624
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.199
what, Maybe I should look that
up before I say it, because they

625
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:06.519
seem to me to be almost like, you know, not the Beastie Boys.

626
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:12.000
But you know what I'm saying.
They had a couple of albums maybe,

627
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.679
but I don't remember them having a
lot of record releases even love the

628
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:20.800
Beasties. By the way, I
always appreciate any mention of the Beastias.

629
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:22.440
And while you're looking at a trip
called quiz, I'm going to assure your

630
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:28.280
audience that if you have given stats
on Ozzy Osbourne, you can bet those

631
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:32.239
are accurate. There you go,
Ozzie is Yeah, no, Look,

632
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:37.119
and I know his solo career,
and I know exactly where he's been,

633
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:42.639
and I know what the controversy is. But interesting how over time the controversial

634
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:46.320
becomes the mundane. You know,
I mean, Crazy Train is a car

635
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:50.400
commercial now, I mean you know, I mean and has been for a

636
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:54.840
decade already. And meanwhile, that
was definitely the Devil's music because he was

637
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.639
the devil himself at one point,
the Prince of darkness. Yeah, the

638
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:02.239
Prince of Darkness. Right. So
let's see if I go to a try

639
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:07.639
Cold Quest and they must have an
official website, right or should I just

640
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:15.440
go to their Wikipedia. Let's see
try ATCQ they have that. Let's see

641
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:19.679
check the rhyme official HD video.
Okay, see again, I remember this,

642
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.440
but I missed it. Yeah,
I remember this, but I don't

643
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:30.320
remember them having the huge impact except
later on they would become one of those

644
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:36.760
groups that was mentioned as a huge
influence. Guy not deeply versed into any

645
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:38.880
music with rap, really, I
mean I was always fond of dre and

646
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:44.599
snoop and pop back in the nineties, you know that that type of hip

647
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:46.239
hop. After that, though,
I think I just went cold, went

648
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:52.159
all the way metal and missed a
whole lot of hip hop. You know,

649
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.119
I still enjoy listening to Outcast if
I hear them. You know,

650
00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:00.400
the group is regarded as a as
a as a pioneer of alternative hip hop

651
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:06.159
e merging jazz with hip hop.
Okay, influencing numerous hip hop and R

652
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:10.000
and B musicians. Now that's the
first first paragraph of the Wikipedia tells you

653
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:14.119
that. Okay, so it's not
They were formed in Queens, New York

654
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.239
in nineteen eighty five, see what
I'm saying. A tribe called quest is

655
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:23.000
formed in nineteen eighty five, right, Yeah, and Foreigner was on top

656
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:28.159
of the charts in nineteen eighty five. If I've been waiting for a Girl

657
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.199
Like You, right, which I
think they said that was the song that

658
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:35.880
just ruined them as a band,
because then everybody wanted ballads after that,

659
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:37.960
or was that I want to know
what love is. But see, either

660
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:46.239
way, they are responsible for that
power ballad. I don't know the power

661
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:51.840
ballads thing that. Remember the hard
rock bands even went to that after you

662
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:59.440
know, like the whole oversaturation of
corporate hairspray, you know, metal hairspray.

663
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.000
Every one of those hair bands had
a power ballad. They all had

664
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:06.800
a power ballad. And why because
the power ballad was marketable. How do

665
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:13.320
we know that? Because Foreigner?
Yeah, for so probably billions of copies

666
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.760
of those two soft songs that I
just mentioned. And then you kind of

667
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:21.599
forget when a song like that gets
so big that they're responsible for songs like

668
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:23.599
Dirty White Boy, you know,
you know, kind of like the weird

669
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:30.840
thing that Aerosmith's only number one song
was that abortion from the movie Armageddon.

670
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:36.119
Yeah. Yeah, see, but
Aerosmith again is one of those staple bands,

671
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:40.440
right that goes along with a genre. Although I've never known somebody,

672
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:44.880
I mean a lot of people say
they like Aerosmith, but they're kind of

673
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:49.639
like the Scorpions of their day.
What do I mean by that? Well,

674
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.880
everybody who liked metal or hard rock
listened to the Scorpions. When the

675
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:58.159
Scorpions were popular and big, and
they had some great songs, but you

676
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.519
know, there was sort of a
one true pony. Uh the zoo.

677
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.760
The zoo is their stand out to
me, that that main riff in the

678
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:10.239
zoo. And I don't like the
Scorpions. I'm I don't like when I

679
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:15.519
can hear a European accent. Oh
yeah, and you definitely can't get away

680
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:20.039
with that with Klaus mine at uh
you Klaus is thick, and it's like

681
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:23.559
it's it's like trying to listen to
that hair band Europe they called themselves,

682
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:28.719
right, right, but but the
weird the accent just killed me. But

683
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:30.880
the weird thing is, think back
to this, do you remember anybody who

684
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:37.440
was specifically a Scorpions fan. No, No, there never was, Like

685
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:42.880
just the guys like I just love
the Scorpions, Like the Scorpions is my

686
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.800
band. You you had them all
along with everything else. Like you know,

687
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:47.800
if you had a bunch of T
shirts, you might have a Scorpion

688
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:52.360
shirt. You might have seen the
Scorpions in concert whatever, but you didn't.

689
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:59.159
It wasn't like your number one thing. Uh never was. And that's

690
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.159
that's another think about this. Okay, So going back to a tribe called

691
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:06.559
Quest just really fast, apparently their
breakout album, even though they were formed

692
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:10.719
in eighty five, their breakout album
wasn't until nineteen ninety. Again, this

693
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:17.119
is, you know, fifteen years
after Foreigner is massive as a grip,

694
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:23.760
So weird that they're being inducted at
the same time. That is very strange.

695
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:29.599
I don't I don't understand their reckoning
or who the board is that besides

696
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:34.119
these things, but well, and
in between a tribe called Quest, well,

697
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:37.239
and in between a tribe called Quest's
breakout. To give you an idea,

698
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:43.039
in between a tribe called Quests breakout
album and Foreigner being an establishment already

699
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:50.519
established, huge supergroup, you could
fit that whole you know, peak the

700
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:55.360
plateau that was Ozzy Osbourne's career in
between those two times. Yeah, okay,

701
00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:00.679
that whole decade eighty two to ninety
two pretty much fits right there,

702
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:06.079
doesn't it. So isn't that funny? So we're saying this based on time

703
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:12.000
alone, a trip called Quest is
questionable? Yeah it seems that way.

704
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:16.760
Not so we're gonna dub them now
a trip called questionable. That's fine by

705
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:21.159
me. But okay, so who
else do we have in the class of

706
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:25.199
twenty twenty four that we should comment
on here because we haven't said much about

707
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:34.000
Mary J. And Mary J can
do whatever she wants exactly, So you

708
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.960
know, that's just the way I
feel about that. If she's in the

709
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:38.639
Rock Hall of Fame, even if
her music wasn't rock, I don't care.

710
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:42.519
She's still Mary J. Blige,
right, and she doesn't have to

711
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.039
die to get in there. No, none of that, Okay, So

712
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:47.119
it's all good. Mary J.
Blige is fine. I know that.

713
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:51.559
You know, people will argue against
the genre whatever, and like you said,

714
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:55.199
cool in the gang they might argue
against, but I can't, so

715
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:59.519
you know, good luck to you. Have they ever put the brothers GiB

716
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:06.079
in? You know? I think
on some level. Let me see.

717
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.000
And that's the weird thing about this
too, this Rock and Roll Hall of

718
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:12.159
Fame. Like, forget about the
one fan vote, because there's who is

719
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:14.679
the fan choice this year? Do
you know anything about that? I haven't

720
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:16.639
seen. I have not seen who
the fan vote is. Yeah, and

721
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:22.159
I know it has to have been
done already. Let's see gave. I

722
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:24.960
think the last time we did this
show took is when Soundgarden was inducted,

723
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:30.719
right, I believe so that sounds
right because that was one of the things

724
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:35.119
that you were excited about. Like, just as I'm happy about Ozzie going

725
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.920
in, you're you were happy about
that. I think, oh, yes,

726
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:40.199
because Chris Cornell is, you know, my hero as far as rock

727
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:46.280
vocalists go. Right, Okay,
in nineteen ninety four, okay, one

728
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:50.360
of them was inducted. Let's see
Beg's in the Rock and Roll Hall of

729
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.800
Fame in ninety seven. It says, I guess wow, oh yeah,

730
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:57.800
okay, good. And they got
their up and comings and they really took

731
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:01.400
a shellakin from the public with the
back class against disco. Well and then

732
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:05.400
then you know what they did.
They went underground. They wrote some huge

733
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.440
hits for other artists, and previous
to that, they had a whole other

734
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:12.679
See that's the weird thing is they
had three careers pretty much. Yeah,

735
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.679
I mean they were a knockoff Beatles
basically a knockoff Beatles, good way to

736
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:21.039
put it. You know, they
tried to escape that stigma, and that's

737
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:23.519
when they just started using his falsetto
because he didn't always do that. They're

738
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:27.960
older stuff like to love somebody,
He didn't do that. Falsetto thing.

739
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:30.280
Yeah right, we don't have that, you know, extremely crazy, but

740
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:35.119
that's probably where a ton of money
was made because all of a sudden they

741
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:39.000
were big yep, you know.
And then you have the John Travolta,

742
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:44.440
you know, a Saturday Night Fever
and all that. You know, the

743
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:46.960
name of that song originally was supposed
to just be Saturday Night. But once

744
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:51.159
they heard the song night Fever that
the Beg's had, they were like,

745
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:52.760
okay, we're gonna put that in. We're gonna call it Saturday Night Fever.

746
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:57.039
There you go, there you go. I mean, they were a

747
00:53:57.039 --> 00:54:01.599
cultural explosion and then and then it
just turned so viciously. Well I never

748
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:07.079
really understood why. Well because look, then this this death to disco thing

749
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:09.280
started to happen, and you know, a lot of people that had like

750
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:13.679
the local rock clubs, because I
remember when Twisted's sister was a local band.

751
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:17.559
They they really railed against all these
clubs that were like, you know,

752
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:22.039
for the past ten years or whatever, they have not allowed rock and

753
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:25.039
roll in this place, and they
just had disco dance and the disco balls

754
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.440
were still hanging. Matter of fact, I remember telling you a story about

755
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:34.360
playing at the fast Lane in Asbury
Park and the guys from Nuclear Assault started

756
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:39.360
screaming that they wanted the disco ball
to come down, which was funny because

757
00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:45.320
that night I sold more tickets than
Nuclear Assault in my PANDH. Yeah,

758
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:49.360
well, no, it's not awesome
to me. It's sad because Nuclear Assault

759
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.960
was based in Jersey at that point
and they just were not doing well.

760
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:58.639
They were getting a very small payment
to show up and just nobody wanted to

761
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:01.360
hear from Nuclear st for a minute
there. And I think it's because they

762
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:05.559
changed singers or some nonsense, or
they let the wrong guy play guitar.

763
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.760
I forget, but man, I'll
tell you you will. You will mess

764
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:14.079
up your core fan base by switching
out members. I mean every time Motley

765
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:16.119
Crue did it, it was disastrous
for them. Yeah, always a bad

766
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:21.960
idea to go away from the original
four. Yeah, Motley Crue is like

767
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:24.119
the one though, that just couldn't
do it. It has it had to

768
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:27.320
be those four. It's not gonna
work. I mean, I don't even

769
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.960
think John Five's really I haven't paid
any attention, you know why, because

770
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:35.239
it's the mix not there. Yeah, well, what was it John Krabi

771
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.400
or whatever they brought in as a
vocalist, and you know, he wasn't

772
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:42.320
bad and I mean that was a
pretty good album, but it wasn't Motley

773
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:46.199
Crue Hey, you know, speaking
of classic hard rocket, you know acts,

774
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:51.400
you know Judas Priest. I think
he's gonna tour this year, original

775
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.320
line up. Yeah, with Rob
Halfred. Oh that is awesome, you

776
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:58.199
know, but he's bald, and
he's got the big giant beard now,

777
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:00.800
but bald, Yeah, I've seen. Yeah, he looks like a big

778
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:07.000
biker dude. Yeah, it looks
weird, but you know, tip of

779
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:13.119
the hat to the other singer whose
name escapes me. But that song that

780
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:19.159
he did with them, Hell is
Home. I love that tune well,

781
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:23.000
and he wasn't a bad look mechanically, great vocalist. But yeah, did

782
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:28.840
anybody want to see Judas Priest without
Rob Alpert? No, just like nobody

783
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.000
wanted to see Motley Crewe without Vince
Neil, Nobody wanted to see him without

784
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:36.679
Tommy Lee. And I'm pretty sure
if the consent, if the consensus view

785
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:39.159
matches my own, nobody wants to
see him with John five either. Yeah.

786
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:45.440
Right, I can't see that working
out. And John five, let's

787
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:50.199
remember where he came from. Right, because he's a weird story in and

788
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:52.320
of himself. Do you remember where
he came from? Did he come from?

789
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.960
Rob? I thought he was a
Marilyn Manson guy? Yeah, Manson?

790
00:56:57.039 --> 00:56:59.039
Okay, yeah, Manson, I
was thinking Rob. I knew it

791
00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:01.719
was one of those shock rock guys. Yeah. And what happened there is

792
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:06.960
that Manson had this whole thing like
he had a Squiggy Ramerez or whatever,

793
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.599
Like he had all these people that
were a combination, like he was some

794
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:16.880
sex icon combined with a violence icon
name much like you know he's. Yeah,

795
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:22.000
the whole band did it until they
brought in this one guy and they

796
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:27.000
decided they were going to break that
habit and he became Johnny five. Yeah.

797
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.639
And I don't even remember what the
reasoning was for it, because Manson

798
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:36.000
used to give these very cryptic sort
of you know, answers the questions if

799
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:37.920
you interviewed them, he just say
weird stuff and walk away, you know.

800
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:40.960
And Warner, Yeah, mister Brian
Warner got me too, too,

801
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.480
didn't he. Yeah, that's what
I hear. And I mean not a

802
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:47.679
surprise there, because there was a
lot of weird stuff going on. I

803
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:52.840
remember now, you know, I'm
all for you know, victims, riots

804
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:57.960
and everything. But if you're hanging
with Maryland Manson, you've already taken a

805
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:01.239
chance. Okay. See that's the
thing. I knew a girl. This

806
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:05.239
is weird. I knew a girl
in the nineties who was like totally with

807
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.920
whoever that was Squiggy Rameras or whatever, the really Twiggy Rameras, that's it,

808
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:17.079
the really the really really skinny guy
who always wore pink dress that one

809
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:22.280
yeah, I remember that pink dress
from the Sweet Dreams video the most.

810
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:24.559
Yeah. And I'm not gonna mention
her name, but she's the one who

811
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:31.840
got me backstage at the ospest the
one year because she was sleeping with guys

812
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:35.880
in different bands, and she had
been sleeping with a drummer of mine,

813
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:37.079
and I was like, okay,
well I don't care what you do.

814
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:40.360
But she was just like, yeah, I can hook you up. Okay,

815
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:44.880
come on along. And I bought
my ticket and waited for and she

816
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:49.880
got me in like toward the end
of when people could go backstage. But

817
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:53.000
nonetheless it was okay. I was
happy and I actually got to That's where

818
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:58.719
I tell you I met I met
Marilyn Manson is from that particular show,

819
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:02.480
and that was like, you know, nineties, but it was fun.

820
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:07.920
It was fun, and he was
definitely not being the weirdo that I had

821
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:12.239
heard on Howard Stern, not being
the weird guy giving cryptic answers. He

822
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:15.159
was actually, you know, pretty
much like we ended up seeing him in

823
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:20.480
that Fahrenheit nine to eleven you know
movie. Oh yeah, that's when he

824
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:24.360
the verbal well, one of the
best verbal jouts I've ever seen in my

825
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:30.800
wife. It made me kind of
respect him. Bill O'Riley for his intelligent

826
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:34.039
response to Michael Moore, Oh,
Michael Moore, of course. Michael Moore

827
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:37.639
asked him, if you could go
back in time and you could say something

828
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:39.079
to these kids to change it,
what would you say? He said,

829
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.960
I wouldn't say a damn thing.
I would have listened to him, and

830
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:47.280
that's exactly what nobody did. Yeah, yeah, that's that's exactly the problem.

831
00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:51.320
And it was perfect. And that
was the kind of guy that I

832
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:54.480
was confronted with when I got to
meet him. But he used to also

833
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:58.679
go around with this other weird act
where it was like I'm out of it,

834
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:04.239
man, I'm totally you know,
from another planet and kind of you

835
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:06.639
know, I don't know if you
remember that, but he would he.

836
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:09.079
I think Howard Stern told a story
where he's like, he walks up to

837
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:13.000
him at his birthday show, because
Howard used to have these birthday shows once

838
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:15.960
a year, and you know,
different celebrities would come in, they'd have

839
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:21.639
a celebrity band, and Marilyn Manson
got invited. He shows up real late,

840
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:27.719
walks in, gives him a pair
of like rubber underwear and just walks

841
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.960
up to Howard, hands him to
him and says these are for you and

842
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:36.719
leaves and I'm like, that is
exactly the kind of guy he was with

843
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:42.760
the press for like years, you
know. And his point the big act,

844
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:47.440
the mixing of sex and violence,
the natural born Killer's ideal, which

845
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:52.920
did he participate in that sound No, that's Trent Reznor doing that. But

846
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:59.000
Trent Reznor is also responsible for Marilyn
Manson too, because there's a whole thing

847
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:01.639
where at the beginning of the career
when they started to really take off,

848
01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:06.440
Resnor's involved, and I think there
was a bit of a feud between them

849
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:10.159
for a while. Anyways, we're
getting ready for me. You remember the

850
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:20.679
trentsn David Bowie collaboration. I'm afraid
allomera guns. Remember, Wow? Is

851
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:25.039
it that one? And that's another
weird one? Right? And it was

852
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:30.199
strange? Yeah, but look,
cross genre stuff is interesting too, and

853
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:31.480
I think it all belongs in the
rocket. I say, to hell with

854
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:35.239
it. I mean, I guess
I gotta stop arguing against Share. But

855
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:37.880
here we go. Share is in
there, and I remind you again,

856
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:43.639
she's she's going in. I'm more
opposed to Dave Matthews than Share. I've

857
01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:47.480
got to be honest, all right, So let's close this on Dave Matthews,

858
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:52.480
because what the hell is Dave?
I ask again, what the hell

859
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:57.519
is Dave Matthews? Uh? Kind
of jazz, but kind of not.

860
01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:02.039
I mean I don't and you know, I don't understand jazz anyway because of

861
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:07.679
the lack of form. But you
know, I don't know. I guess

862
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:10.000
I just need a good dirty hook
or it's that I'm going to catch my

863
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:15.039
attention, Ain't I thought of a
good title for this show? Go ahead,

864
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:19.199
a tribe called Questionable. There you
go, Because here's the thing about

865
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:23.440
Dave Matthews. I can't think of
a single dirty hook in Dave Matthews.

866
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:28.320
Stuff I've heard can you nothing nothing, No, nothing at all. I

867
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:30.079
mean, And you know, Crosby
Stills, Nash and Young they did folk

868
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:35.440
stuff and I loved it. And
it did have that filth that I crave

869
01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:38.079
somehow, See, it had a
little bit of that dirt exactly. Now

870
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:42.800
there's an interesting place to go.
Crosbie Still's in Nash or Crosbie Still's Nashing

871
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:46.880
Young. Either way, you have
just guys standing there at a certain point

872
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:51.960
who could just perform with a couple
of guitars and guys singing. That's about

873
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:54.159
as folk as you can get.
And still there was a little bit of

874
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:58.760
dirt under that. There was a
little bit of a little bit of greasiness

875
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:02.559
to it here and there. And
even though I don't know, see,

876
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:05.679
I guess that was. And that's
the other strange thing is, at a

877
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:09.480
certain point folk music was kind of
in with rock too, and some people

878
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.960
would say that that's part of what's
got to go in the blender to make

879
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:15.440
rock and roll. But a whole
lot of the artists we just got done

880
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:20.599
mentioning have nothing to do with folk
music whatsoever. But Dave Matthews, again,

881
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:23.000
I'm still having trouble. I mean, I don't even you calling it

882
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:28.320
jazz. Why jazz? Tell me
why jazz? Because jazz is hard to

883
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:32.800
define as well, and you know, some of the harmonica parts are sort

884
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:37.039
of jazzy kindom. No, No, I'm not even gonna say bluesy.

885
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:39.679
That'd be such an insult to the
blues because you know, I'm a big

886
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:45.480
blues guy. I love the blues, so you know, but I don't

887
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:50.840
want to call it blues, you
know. And they's got horns and it's

888
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:55.239
kind of jazzy. And the keys, I mean acoustic guitar, so kind

889
01:03:55.280 --> 01:04:02.960
of folksy too, but not either
of those things somehow fair enough. I'm

890
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:06.719
looking up just something else to try
and to close this out on, because

891
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:10.920
I have a thought and I want
to make sure I've got my facts straight.

892
01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:15.639
So we uh so we get through
it because to me, mixing jazz

893
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:20.199
and rock is not Dave Matthews right, uh. To me, it's more

894
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:26.400
like a soul coughing, which was
more of a noise band, right.

895
01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:30.159
And their big hit was super Bond
Bond, which I used to again play

896
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:35.079
that on Short attention Span DJ Theater. I love that song and it's got

897
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:39.199
a flow to it, It's got
lots of dirt, it's got lots of

898
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:44.079
grease, okay, And it's from
a noise band that's got a rhythmic bass.

899
01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:47.400
Now see, there's where that rhythmic
backbone comes in. That doom doom

900
01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:50.440
doom, doom, doom doom,
doom, doom, doom doom doom.

901
01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:58.760
That is your your very basic tribal
almost you know, sort of downbeat.

902
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:05.159
The bass players the unsung hero in
every rock band. Well obviously, but

903
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:08.599
I mean, but just going back
to it, to me, if you

904
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:12.039
were to say that there's like a
jazz mix in here, I would say

905
01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:15.719
that that's more like jazz because it
is again, and I think a lot

906
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:20.760
of people call him a noise band
or progressive noise rock and that's their only

907
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:24.760
hit. But they've had a lot
of weird experimentation out there, and I

908
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:28.960
mean there's a bunch of bands that
do experiment. Dave Matthews no experimentation though,

909
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:32.199
uh to me, no experimentation.
Is there something I'm missing? Joe

910
01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:38.719
No. I mean every time I
think of Dave Matthews, I think that

911
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:43.280
goofy uh, what would you say? But you know, something about Doggie

912
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:47.519
on a chain and this and that
don't bite the mailman. Oh yeah,

913
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:53.559
you're killing me. Is there a
deeper meaning to the lyrics I'm missing here

914
01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:58.679
or is he just you know,
I don't know. It's like definitely the

915
01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:03.440
white high school poetry magazine version of
rock lyrics. I mean, not not

916
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:06.400
all that original, not all that
I don't know. Dave Matthews band,

917
01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:11.599
it's and they were super popular for
a while for some reason. They still

918
01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:14.320
can't figure out why. I mean, yeah, it kind of felt like

919
01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:19.000
they were trying to ride the coattails
of like Blues Traveler. Mmm. But

920
01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:23.639
I loved Blues Traveler. I mean, I got nothing bad to say about

921
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:27.679
John Popper and Blues Traveler. Man, I thought they were great. There's

922
01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:30.920
a bunch of bands there that really
didn't have the staying power, although they

923
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.920
were around a long time and making
a living, like like Blues Traveler,

924
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:39.400
like Spin Doctors, uh, you
know, stuff like that, and they

925
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:43.000
came out, I mean the Spin
Doctors, uh got famous with that one

926
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:47.119
cover tune, but for a long
time they had a solid career. So

927
01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:51.760
did Blues Traveler. But they were
sort of almost one hit wonders, right,

928
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:56.920
and it's when you did a cover
tune, Yeah, that whole Uh,

929
01:06:57.079 --> 01:06:59.800
let me let you candle along because
I'm so odd to handle Nolius.

930
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:02.079
You know that was the Black Crows, My man, Oh that's the Black

931
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:04.599
Crows. Sorry, no, the
Spin Doctors. Didn't they do it a

932
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:09.519
cover? Also, I don't know. I only remember two of their songs.

933
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:12.840
One was called Two Princes and the
other one was called little Miss Can't

934
01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:16.440
Be Wrong? Okay, oh yeah, pocket full of kryptonide. I remember

935
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:19.360
that one too. And what was
it she used to be mine? Right?

936
01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:24.559
Maybe? Yeah? Okay, you
know what I did. I just

937
01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:30.519
mixed up the Spin Doctors and the
Black Crows. See otis reading two.

938
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:33.719
That goes to show you though something
right there, doesn't it. You know?

939
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:38.880
What I mean is that I'm mixing
those two up because again, not

940
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:44.480
super discernible, but a whole lot
more dynamic and dirty than Dave Matthews,

941
01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:47.719
for Christ's sake. Yeah. Anyway, if the Black Crows aren't there,

942
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:53.960
they should be. I'm looking at
the Wikipedia description is too funny because it

943
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:57.039
pretty much did what you just did. Two Princes and little Miss Can't be

944
01:07:57.079 --> 01:08:01.159
Wrong? I mentioned right in the
first sentence, Alternative Rock. Yeah,

945
01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:05.280
that was the thing about the Spin
doctors. Is that they were considered alternative

946
01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:09.639
rock as well. Yeah, there
was that whole thing post grunge. I

947
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:15.640
mean right, it was college alternative
rock. Yeah, yeah, that kind

948
01:08:15.640 --> 01:08:20.159
of morphed into your third eye lines
and gin Blossoms. And I absolutely hated

949
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:26.680
that era of music, but wasn't
correctly if I'm wrong, wasn't Dave Matthews

950
01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:31.159
in with that though? Wasn't he
popular alongside of that college alternative rock stuff

951
01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:35.000
or no? Yes, I think
that If not, it was certainly just

952
01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:40.439
a very near precursor. It seems
like that. Yeah, those things were

953
01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:45.199
happening simultaneously, and I think that
Blink one E two came out, and

954
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:51.560
yeah, I thought that they were
watering things down. Well, see there's

955
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:56.520
your problems all in a basket.
And the last thing is about fifteen years

956
01:08:56.520 --> 01:09:00.000
ago, what was it? Middle
aged moms were definitely into Dave Matthews.

957
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:01.960
So, I mean he could show
up and still still make a living,

958
01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:05.520
right, you know? You know, I don't think of him as a

959
01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:09.840
musician though. I think every time
somebody says Dave Matthews, now, I

960
01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:13.279
just see his character in the Adam
Sandler movie, just go with it.

961
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:16.520
But then again, you know,
just like the guy who made uh you

962
01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:20.600
know what was that, the one
guy who did the Margaritaville song who died

963
01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:26.119
not too long ago, right,
uh yeah, I mean like he made

964
01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:29.199
a whole career out of the one
song. I mean there were cruises everything,

965
01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:31.680
a whole genre built off of one
song, right, yep, yep,

966
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:36.920
where it was what they called cruise
rock or something beach rock. Maybe

967
01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:40.760
I don't know, that would be
the beach Boys. There was some genre.

968
01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:44.079
No, yeah, beach beach was
definitely the Beach Boys kind of thing.

969
01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:45.439
And that was you know, Dick
Dale and that kind of stuff,

970
01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:50.199
Jan and Deine, Right, but
no, this was but for a little

971
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:56.279
while there there was a Jimmy Buffett
was his own like Margaritaville type genre too,

972
01:09:56.399 --> 01:10:00.439
and he built a whole empire out
of that. Yeah, so you

973
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:04.119
know, you can't. But the
guy had excellent business sense apparently. Uh

974
01:10:04.159 --> 01:10:09.039
and there you go, there's a
one hit wonder that built the whole thing

975
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:11.279
out of it. But Dave Matthews
to me, I don't know they I

976
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:14.640
just I put Jimmy Buffett in the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame a lot

977
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:17.159
faster than Dave Matthews. I just
got no use for him. It's it's

978
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:21.079
like, uh, you know Jesus
Jones, why not put that in?

979
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:28.760
Oh man, I always forget about
Jesus Jones right here, right now.

980
01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:32.720
Oh my gosh. It's like it's
like Faith No More got neutered, right

981
01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:36.960
right. Faith No More is funny
too, because Faith No Moore is one

982
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:40.720
of those bands that a lot of
people sight as like one of the greatest,

983
01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:43.720
one of the greatest, and they
really only know one song, you

984
01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:50.199
know, Green Jelly, Green Billy, which was initially Green Yellow until they

985
01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:54.760
got sued. Yeah, that's why
I didn't say Jello. I didn't want

986
01:10:54.760 --> 01:11:00.640
to be copyrighting either, oh my
god. And the funny thing is that

987
01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:05.600
when they put out the repackaged video
where because they did a video album that

988
01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:10.520
went along with that, and everybody
knows the claymation Three Little Pigs, But

989
01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:15.840
they had a serial killer on their
tu Ken Son of Sam you know,

990
01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:28.079
Yeah, that was great. Though. They had a superhero named shit Man

991
01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:32.319
h band that you can't really classify
and I really don't know how to take

992
01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:38.279
their name, but they had a
song called Pepper in the nineties that I

993
01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:41.520
absolutely love. Do you remember these
guys. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

994
01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:45.640
What the hell was the name the
Butthole Surfers. That's right, that's

995
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:50.600
right. And they were an underground
band, very successful for a long time

996
01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:58.239
before Pepper dropped and then Pepper became
a thing. I love that song too,

997
01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:00.800
man, But you know, I
never can't figure out what they mean

998
01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:04.199
by that name. Are they buttholes
that surf or are they surfing? Yeah,

999
01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:09.119
I'm not sure either. But they
were around, seriously, they were

1000
01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:11.880
like a punk band, and then
that song came out, and I love

1001
01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:14.279
that song. By the way,
I do too. I love it.

1002
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:15.920
They're all in love with dying.
They were doing it in Texas, and

1003
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:20.960
they were doing it in Texas.
I don't mind the sun sometimes, you

1004
01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:24.840
know, like, oh, I
love that. I love that song.

1005
01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:28.439
But see, that's one of those
obscure bands that's way more rock and roll

1006
01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:31.600
and more worthy than Dave Matthews.
And if you're getting beat, if I

1007
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:38.239
think that a band that calls themselves
the Butthole Surfers deserves to be there more

1008
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:41.800
than you, dude, you got
no business there. That's it. And

1009
01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:44.960
by the way, that is our
boat. The Butthole Surfers belonging to the

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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame before
Dave Matthews. So Regular Joe and I

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discussed rock and Roll Hall of Fame
in the rock business as it may stand

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or may not, depending I got
this thing playing under me that I accidentally

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hit. But we're gonna do the
outro music now because I'm all done.

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So this was just for fun.
Regular Joe joined me, and I thank

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you, sir, Hey, I
thank you. It was a lot of

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fun. I always love doing this
kind of thing. Just something out of

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the box, a little different for
the podcast listener, but it is what

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it was. It was what it's
going to be. Revelation through conversation.

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Wallstreet Window, Dott Gold Silver,
the stock market, wall Stream, Window,

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dot dot. Perhaps you're invested deeply, perhaps you're not in deep enough.

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Maybe you're thinking about getting started Wall
Street Window, dot Condo dot com.

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Michael Swanson, the brilliant author of
the War State, understood these trends

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professionally for many years, and now
he gives you the benefit of his walls

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dot go there, now go there, now go there now. Radio in

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Denial, Secret Wars with air strikes
and Tanks by Larry Hancock. Secret wars

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became a staple of US covert operations
and are still happening today. Larryhancock's book

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In Denial rips the cover off many
of them, using new files. It

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exposes things about the Bay of Pigs
that no one has ever written about before.

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It shows why it really failed and
why the United States did not earn

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from it. It also shows why
other countries today are doing secret operations with

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more success. This is the book
that puts what some want to deny into

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the light. In Denial secret wars
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more information, go to Larry hyphen
Handcock dot com. Pick up your copy

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of it In Denial at Amazon dot
com. In Digital or Physical Force,

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The War State by Michael Swanson explains
the great national transformation that took place and

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put the Kennedy presidency in the context
of the times and reveals never before published

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information about the Cuban missile crisis.
President Kennedy would not have been assassinated if

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he had been president two hundred years
ago. His assassination took place in the

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context of the Cold War and the
rise of the national security state. Before

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World War II, the United States
was a continental republic. In the decade

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that followed it became an imperial superpower. Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only

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wanted to invade Cuba, but knew
that there were short range missiles on the

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island aren't with nuclear warheads that they
could not destroy because they were on mobile

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launchers. Their invasion could have led
to a Third World War, and they

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wanted to go to war anyway.
The War State by Michael Swanson reveals why

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and will show you what President Kennedy
was up against. For more information,

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The Warstate dot com dot com letter, no Lettle no nuclear holocaust. You

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know what uranium is right? Think
called nuclear weapons and other things. You

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know what uranium is right? Bad
things things are done with uranium doing some

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bad things. Nuclear holocaust. You
know what uranium is right. I have

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been a great nuclear holocaust. Nuclear
holocaust. You know what uranium is right.

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Let's think called nuclear weapons and other
things like blessing. You know what

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uranium is m