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right now on a tearsday Tuesday. So there it is, There it was,
and what it's going to be. Did I want to cover the news
today? I thought about doing it and then I didn't want to do it.
I'll have to do it tomorrow or the next day, and maybe we'll
have to get into, you know, some of the serious news, the
current situation in the Middle East, of course, and everything else. I
mean talking about Congress, what it is they're willing to fund, what it
is they're not willing to fund, what's happening with the presidential selection. Yeah,
I'll probably have to touch on all that and find something more interesting to
talk about tomorrow night. But tonight I have regular Joe with me, and
you know, last year and it might have been two years in a row.
I'm not sure now, it might have been a couple of times.
I think it's been a couple of times. I know I've had this conversation
with him before, and I think we did this live last year on the
show, or maybe it was the year before. But it doesn't matter.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Okay, they got some inductees once
again. And every year they do this. They have a class of whatever
year it is, and they put people in, and does it really matter
who actually votes them in? There's one fan vote that goes on. I
didn't even check out who the fan vote choice is this year, et cetera.
But I know it's happening, and this year, for me, it's
a good one. In my mind. I like who's being picked. I
like who's being offered up, if you will. But let's get the take
from regular Joe, and we'll hear from you guys about this too. I
mean, we always wind up talking about music on Fridays. Let's talk about
the Hall of Fame, what it means, what it is, and who's
going in. Regular Joe, see, I'm not doing news. You're here.
What's up? Oh right, that's that's great, because I just really
don't look anymore. But but I am looking at the list of the nominees
for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and right off the top of
my head, I'll have to say that some of these folks I'm surprised weren't
already there. Well, you know, for me, Ozzy Osbourne finally going
in. I don't know when they considered him eligible as a solo artist,
but that's my guy. And you know, he got in there with Black
Sabbath the course earlier. But that's the thing. You go in with the
band, you may not be in there with your solo act, right,
It doesn't matter how big your solo act is compared to the band, et
cetera. At one point, I don't know if it's true anymore, but
at one point, ozzie solo career definitely outshined his career with Sabbath, record
sales wise and stuff. Now I don't know if that's still the case,
quite honestly, because Sabbath reunited and toured seemingly forever until they officially retired a
couple of years ago. But you know, obviously Sabbath deserves to be in
there, and so does Ozzie Osbourne. But there is another weird mix in
there, and of course there are people that are gonna get all upset in
Benata shape, et cetera about who got in and who didn't, on and
on and the weirdest one. The only one that greats against me so far
that I saw is Share, cause I have to agree with you on that.
That's pop? What I mean is that pop? Is that? What
is Share? Anyway? You know? Like, really what is Share?
I mean? I know, look, there's plenty of R and B stuff,
there's plenty of hip hop. Some people are are still pissed that rap
goes in there, But Share, I don't know. Share is weirder to
me than Mary J. Blige. It was also going in this year,
right, Yeah, that is actually stranger. And now there's another one that
kind of runs against the grain for me, and that's that's the Dave Matthews
Band. No, see, now, what do you call the Dave?
Is the Dave Matthews Band rock and roll? You know? Is it something
that should be? And there you go. See again I'm forgiving with when
people were mad about Public Enemy going in and I'm like, yeah, but
that's Public enemy. I mean, that's of course it belongs in there,
because in a way, hip hop is an outcropping, a creation that wouldn't
have been possible without rock and roll, and it still used the rock models
for a lot of stuff. Indeed, I mean, you know, the
industry changed and so on and so forth, sound wise, but truth fully,
it had just about the same journey that rock and roll did, uh
where, you know, and people complained about the same kind of stuff.
It's repetitive, it's derivative, it's not very you know, it's not much
talent to it. Basic lyrics, although you know what the funny thing is,
And I was talking to somebody I'm not going to name right now about
this recently, when it comes to lyrics and looking back at you know,
the good, wholesome, clean music of the past, even before rock and
roll was born, there's some pretty twisted stuff out there that's right in plain
sight. I mean I mentioned it to him. I said, you know,
you got guys wanting to sleep with very young girls in very calm,
tame, you know, mainstream meltor mate sounding music, right yeah, with
poodle skirts and the you know, pompadors. Yeah, stuff like that and
I mean the guys who were like the Frank Sinatra before he was the old
older guy, you know, doing it my way. They were doing that.
But also there's like the Eddie Arnold's in the world. I mean,
look, and there's tons and tons of music out there that is filled within
nuendo that's all about you know, sex and this and that. But let's
not go with the American prudish thing. I find lyrics that suggest to me
cannibalism, you know, that suggests to me dark things maybe, you know.
And it's not just oh yeah, of course blues artists and selling their
souls to the devil. And yet no, no, no, it's way
beyond that. Like all throughout what they call popular music, if you pay
attention per minute or think about some of what they're saying pretty severe. I
mean, there's there's some murder, there's some mayhem, there's weird sexualization going
on, all kinds of strange stuff, you know. I mean there's guys
guys killing people in songs, you know, and it all sounds cheerful and
nice because's got an orchestra behind it and whatnot. But I mean, the
anyway, the controversy that was rock and roll and all that kind of stuff,
and oh it's the Devil's music, and it seems like anything that goes
through that is almost eligible. Now that almost works against my argument with Share
and all this, where it's like what is that? And what is the
Dave Matthews Band? I still ask what would you call it? Folk or
jazz or somewhere in between? I think, I mean, well, yeah,
it's not, honest to goodness folk music, but then again, some
folk music would fit in the rock category, right, yes, Now what
is Dave again? What is Dave Matthews? And how do you and here's
the other question, how do you even define rock and roll? The back
beat, I think is the backbone of the whole genre. Okay, So
what you're saying is it's about that simple, basic, danceable kind of beat,
you know the she and of course it's multi layered, but I mean,
if you're breaking it down to a body, you know the spot,
the whole communication is that backbat in rock and roll. And then of course
you've got your dirty, dirty guitar, which that's what speaks to me more
than anything in rock and roll is the dirty, dirty, crunchy guitar.
Okay, but there's a lot of country music that's got a crunchy guitar and
the same kind of back beats, right, yeah, sort of, but
you know, once you add the twang, it's you know, and country
has kind of taken the face of many other genres just to stay alive over
the years. I mean, it was cowboy music, and then it was
jug band music, or even even what's the one they call out of Louisiana,
the zydeco Oh yeah, yeah, right, yeah, So, I
mean, you know, country has taken on many faces. In the eighties,
they started sounding like your soft rock bands with your Alabama's and your Okage
boys, you know, and well and then and then Shania Tween came along
and it was indiscernible for pop in my mind with her exactly, yeah,
indiscernible at that point. And during that same era, though, strangely enough,
you have these guys like Alan Jackson that we're trying to take country music
back to its roots, right, I mean, look, there's some people
that tried to go back to it, but there you go again, right,
it's still how do you really say, there's a big, huge difference
though, between that and rock and roll. In a lot of ways.
See again, and I'm using a term that I don't think the kids even
use that term today. Does anybody even say rock? I mean outside of
the probably one FM station that you guys have in your market somewhere, if
you ever turn on a radio, and I do mean I'm talking to the
listeners now, there's probably like one rock station near you. Right outside of
that, who uses that term anymore? Rock? Rock and roll? It
rocks? It's rock time, rock and music, you know, I mean,
yeah. The only time I hear it used anymore is preceded by the
word classic. And there's a good reason for that is because it died.
So you know, if you want to go back and listen to what it
is, you've got to go back a couple of decades now, you know.
Well, yeah, and it's made up in many many subgenres. As
I said, But again, I see people that make the argument that hip
hop doesn't belong in there, and I think it does because again, it
is a natural progression from rock and roll. But also I think of them
are progressing from the blues. If we're getting that down to brass tags,
you know, well there you go. But then again, a lot of
things that you could count as rock music don't necessarily have that same old gritty
blues backing to it either, because again, all right, well let's take
a look at the artist. Forget about you know, Ozzie. I could
go, you know, one hundred different ways, and I know too much
about the guy. But okay, Foreigner, right Farner. See, that's
one of my thought, we're probably already there, because I mean they sold
out arenas in the early and mid eighties. Well, that's weird. And
plus is it Peter Frampton in this class or is that? Yeah, Peter
Frampton's in this class too, And that's one of the others, one of
the you know, that's the we've now named the three that I thought were
already there. I thought he was already in as a solo artist. I
thought Frampton was already there, and I thought Foreigner was already there. So
I was surprised that they weren't. You know, we should look at and
see if Hot Tuna because it wasn't Peter Frampton a member of Hot Tuna.
You know, I don't remember. I do remember seeing this documentary one time
on Peter Frampton. How he'd have been much more considered as a guitar god
or a guitar hero. Heading up been marketed as a teeny bopper, right,
right, But I remember the Hot Tuna Acoustic reunion one time, and
the big question was whether Peter Frampton was going to show up. So I'm
not sure if he was like an original member. Let's see in that joy,
let me see Hot Tuna and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Hot Tuna needs to be inducted. Okay, I guess they're not at Wow,
How Tuna. I don't know how Tuna. Well, let's see lifelong
friends and founding members of Jefferson Airplane, Jack Cassidy and uh, why can't
pronounce that name? Jorma Cocaine. Cocoen formed Hot Tuna in nineteen sixty nine.
The band released more than two dozen Well, okay, let's see,
let's get Hot Tuna into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Apparently there's
like you know online, Well, there's online causes for everything anymore, right,
I mean there's petitions for every single thing. You know, bring back
my favorite Gi Joe Toy, I mean is out there, right, let's
see pots on petitions. I would consider that one, okay, And let's
see sixty nine, released more than two dozen albums and play thousands of concerts
around the world. Don't miss their Nashville stop. Apparently they're going to be
on in Nashville. Oh oh, wait a minute, they were already in
Nashville a year ago. Oh wow. Takes a stage on April twelfth,
twenty twenty three. So yeah, oops, they already were there in Nashville.
I guess. Okay, no. I was just talking about this Rock
Hall of Fame thing with a guy that I ran into. We'll call him
Batman for the sake of brevity. Nice Batman. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Batman. And he was talking about his favorite induction ceremony performance and he
said he couldn't remember what year it was, but you two was performing Give
Me Shelter, and Mick Jagger came out on stage and performed it with him.
Yeah. That is a big move from Mick. Jagger. Loves to
be the guy who shows up surprise, right, you know, hey,
look, let's do this. What did he do? He did that live
aid thing that was funny. But he wasn't the one who flew from one
side of the uh on one side of the Atlantic to the other. That
was Phil Collins did that, But I do remember that it was like Mick
Jagger. They had a premiere video of him and uh, which is really
a crazy you want to talk about crazy weird stuff, him and David Bowie
doing dancing in the street together. Oh that was terrible. The family guy
did a whole cutaway event and Peter Griffin's commentary was that happened in America and
you let that happen. Yeah, yeah, but weird thing. But Mick
Jagger then shows up to do this over weird, like bombastic sexualized thing with
Tina Turner, right, yeah, at Live Aid. It's it's anyway.
I don't even know why I went to oh cause you mentioned Mick Jagger.
That's why. Anyways. That's the thing. That's the thing about the Stones
for me, I love to sit down and listen to some old stones,
you know, early seventies, late late sixties old stones. You know,
not the old old, but you know, you know old stones like the
song Bitch. I mean, that's just gold to me. But if I
have to watch Jagger perform, it can't do it. You can't do it
at all. I know people love the Stones, but like they're never friends
of mine, you know what I mean. And I don't get wanting to
watch him perform. I never got it, even when he was like a
young dude and they were like, you know, look they're rolling stones.
They're very unique. I'm like, I don't know, there's something. I
mean, I like some of the music. If you can take away the
visuals, yes, that's me. I can't. I cannot visually do it,
even as cool as Keith is, because I think Keith's really cool the
way that he plays and presents himself on stage. He's just like the cool
classic guitar guy. But even that, Jagger just takes the eye and you're
like, what is he doing? Stop doing that? Right? And it's
very strange, Like it's one thing you got to give him is its original
moves. I mean, it's like somewhere between I mean, I don't know,
like a cheerleader and a stripper chick deciding to run around and be like
uh, mixed with Jim Morrison and boom, there there is Mick Jagger pretty
much right with this weird like stuff. He puts his hands on his hips
for some reason. Yeah, it's like it's and and here's the other thing.
I know this isn't politically correct or anything, but you know, it's
kind of gay but kind of not gay at the same time, which is
it's it's I just can't tell what he's what he's trying to convey. What
are you trying to tell me, Micky exactly? Like, you're not sure
what he's doing. But when you hear that he had, you know,
different proclivities and maybe it was sleeping with David Bowie at one point, you're
like, I'm not surprised at all, you know so, but you're not
surprised, but you're also still unsure as to where what direction he's going in
even though he had the you know the famous model uh you know the famous
model wives, right. Uh, Jerry Hall was one of them. Didn't
you get another younger one or was that? Oh? I can't remember.
These degenerate rock stars that we idolize in their sexual proclivities and it's hard to
keep up with all of that. What I can keep up with those that
Roger Daltry has been married to the same woman since like nineteen seventy. Yeah,
that's wild. Along with that sort of wild thing on a personal end,
is Keith Richards is still alive. Yeah, No, I don't think
he has any of his own blood. I mean that was one of the
crazy rumors that went around in the rock and roll world. Anyway, true
enough, So anyway, I'm looking at Frampton and I'm trying to figure out,
now I know he had I don't want to look at I mean,
one of the first searches that comes up, by the way, is Peter
Frampton's wipe, and I don't even want to look at it. But let's
see what bands was he in, because I was thinking Hot Tuna and now
I see it's a duo, so it can't be Maybe he performed with Hot
Tuna for a little bit. And I got that stuck in my head somewhere
because I remember that somewhere in the nineties that like there was this speculation whether
Peter Frampton might show up at a Hot Tuna show for some reason. Maybe
he guessed it on a on a on a song somewhere, who knows.
Let's see was he in now, Peter Frampton, though, let's be honest,
every and I've seen this mentioned somewhere and I don't remember what movie it
was first mentioned in, but pretty much like when you were a kid in
the suburbs, they issued you, Uh, if you were in any kind
of suburb, they issued you a copy of Frampton Comes Alive. That thing
was like in everybody's house when I was a kid, that record, two
records set existed in everyone's home. It seemed like anybody who had a record
collection that, you know, exceeded ten records. You had a copy of
Frampton Comes Alive. And I know that was a big selling record, And
it seems to me as though his career wasn't even big until the live record
came out. What's your recollection of that? Ah? Well, I'm a
bit younger than and you, So Frampton was already bordering on classic before I
was into the genre, you know, So I really don't have a big
recollection of him up and coming. Just he was already a staple with do
you Feel like I Do? And Baby, I Love Your Way? And
what's the other one with the every day Yeah, that one that always reminds
me of a death from a family guy saying and bring that thing that makes
your guitarget wah wah wah wah wah wah. Oh yeah exactly. I think
that that's when Adam Carolla took over the voice of Death unfortunately because they couldn't
get what's his name to come back again. But but anyway, yeah,
that was great. Oh yeah, Peter Prampton, come with me or I'm
gonna take you to death and he goes, okay, I'll do it.
Bring that, bring your guitar and that thing that makes you go wah yeah,
Now I can't even hear that. That's why I couldn't remember the title
of the song, because every time I think of that part of the song,
that's what I think of his family guy. So see, it's not
just me, folks. You know, everybody goes out. Yeah every time
Chuck brings up these cartoons for references to things. But you know what,
there's a reason they do these little cutaway bits and it sticks with you.
Yeah, So you know, any pop culture reference in a humorous way always
sticks with me. Well, let's see, we could go to his entry
on the rockhall dot com. I think I'm gonna go there rockhole dot com
and take a look at his entry there, because let's see, how do
they have him describe? Passionate songwriter, guitarist and cultural touchstone. Peter Frampton
is one of the few musicians who can evoke an image of rock and roll
stardom with three simple words Frampton Comes Alive. Yeah, that was the big
thing. Anyways, go ahead, I'm gonna skim through this see if I
can figure out what else he was doing, because let's see, he continues
to write and perform. I'm collaborated with rock and rolls of the lead,
including George Harrison. So he collaborated with a lot of people, Henry Nielsen,
Let's see John Entwhistle of course, from the Who, Donovan, Jerry
Lee Lewis at one point, Ringo Star, David Bowie, and even Dolly
Parton. Oh that's cool. Who doesn't love Dolly? I mean, I'm
a I'm anti country music. I just am. There is some of it
that I'll listen to and enjoy, but I never just sit down and turn
it on. But you gotta love Dolly anyway. And what's funny is I
mean, I bet you that most people don't recognize that he's got You know,
everybody knows about Frampton Comes Alive. But how many other Frampton albums do
people even know about? That's the only one I'm aware of, of course.
You know, you know what I'm about to do with these artists is
just you know, pick a song, you know, what's your pick of
their of their catalog to per se you know what, what's your Peter Frampton
pick, since we're talking about him right now, well, you know,
he did a on that live album and it was I don't remember if the
whole chorus was the name of the song or not, but it was a
slow, you know, grinding, little acoustic thing. And that was the
other funny thing about that Prampton Comes a live album is that a lot of
it was acoustic. Some of it had those weird guitar effects and he used
the wah pedal obviously like you were just describing in the Family Guy cutaway.
But to me it was what was it like all I want to be is
by your side? Or whatever was the name rat song? And that to
me was the coolest song, Like you could easily dedicate that to, you
know, to the girl you liked, you know what I mean, And
it was pretty cool. It had some weird lyrics to it. You know,
there's money in my pocket, you know, I won't make a sound.
Weird stuff going on in that song, and you had open ended visuals
to it and the acoustic version of it. I don't know if there was
an electric version of it anyway, it was one of those songs on that
album. But I'm looking at the selected discography on his hallpage right and from
the underworld. Okay with the Herd, it says in parentheses, nineteen sixty
seven, I don't need no doctor performance in rocking the film wre with humble
Pie. Humble Pie. That's the name of the band. I'm thinking hot
too. It's humble Pie. That he was humble Pie. Was he a
member of humble Pie or just he just collaborated? All right? Let me
see. I think he might have been a member. But let's look at
that, because there it is. I was looking for what band he was
with, and I'm saying hot tune. I got it wrong. I don't
know why I was doing that. Okay, English band formed by let's go
to this. Okay English band formed by Let's see, where's the members for
this year? Nineteen sixty eight background and formation sixty nine to seventy official formation.
Where's just a list of the members? Let me let me get away
from Wikipedia because they got too much crap on there. Humble Pie Official website.
Let's go there, Okay, and go to their bio because humble Pie's
got a nice looking modern website. Okay, cool, I've not been there.
Let's see, when humble Pie emerged a half century ago, they led
the way blah blah blah class scalpiece like nineteen seventy one's heralded live album performance.
Yeah, here we go. Rock in the film Moore nineteen seventy two
is commercial commercial breakthrough. So there you go. Let's see. I've got
your original lineup right here. If you want me to read it off,
yeah, go ahead, humble Pie. The original lineup featured lead singer and
guitarist Steve Marriott from Small Faces, singer and guitarist Peter Frampton from The Herd
There you go, former Spooky Tooth ba assist Greg Ridley, and a seventeen
year old drummer Jerry Shirley from The Apostolic Intervention. Right, so the one
guy that you never heard of from the band you never heard of, and
these other people. Okay, yeah, the seventeen year old drummer. I
like that, but Small Faces again. See. Now that's the weird thing
about seventies music too, is that there are guys that are in and out
of these bands, and you know, like there's more than one Yardbirds,
is what I'm saying. And they come in and out of these bands,
and they're part of these bands, but then they go on to do something
else, sometimes as a solo artist or you know, in the case of
Lifted Rifts over there, Jimmy Page, you know, part of the Yardbirds,
right, yep, he was the bass player for the Yardbirds, weird,
right, and then goes on to become the Beast. He was a
skiffle player before that. Describe what a skiffule is. Kipple is like an
English countryside folk country kind of music. Yeah, And isn't that one of
those stand up things? Yeah? I think so. Yeah, see,
because I'm barely familiar with it. So, but it's one of those weird
instruments that you would think to see in a country band, you know,
like when when some of these guys do these weird little skiffle was the type
of music. But he played acoustic guitar. Yeah, But what I was
going to say is when you see those stand up, those weird boxes,
when you see those guys do those runs, that sounds like it's on a
guitar, but it's on like a box, a stand up box. Yeah,
yeah, you see that. I think that they use those in that
music heavily, like even more than country music. Right. Oh, you're
talking about the pedal steel Yeah yeah, Oh, that is the most atrocious
sound that should not be called music. I could skin a cat alive and
it would probably sound the same. I don't want to skin a cat alive.
I'm not promoting that in any way. I'm just saying it would probably
make about the same sound as a pedal steel guitars. Oh, it's atrocious
to me. Who would be the best known skiff ole group? Jimmy Page
is the only person I've ever heard reference to skifful Okay, I was just
one that was a serious open wonder. I didn't know the answer at all.
So so my pick from Peter Frampton is do you feel like I do?
I mean, I like the dirty music. That's that's That's what I
like about rock is it's dirty? Yeah. Well, and that's the other
thing looked Okay, So back to what is rock and roll anyway? Right?
It's dirty and I love it. See, I think it's always got
to have some kind of greasiness to it. That that's another qualification for rock
and roll. There's got to be something that's over the line for the time.
Yes, absolutely, you know. And that's the weird thing again,
is that Still though you could say it's difficult to differentiate it from other music,
how do you different she ate? You know? And when you really
press somebody, a lot of these musicians who create it, a lot of
them went to the default answer of like pretty much like, well, I
know what it is when I hear it, and I've heard other people kind
of describe it that way, you know. But but really, honestly,
what would be the solid differentiation of rock and roll from other types of music?
And if you can't make one, then how do you argue that,
you know, say, Dolly Parton doesn't belong in the rock Hall of Fame?
How do you argue And again, I hate to say it, but
how do you even argue that Schaer doesn't belong in the rock and roll Hall
of Fame? Except that I don't know. For some reason, I don't
think of her as I think of Sonny Bono as more rock and roll than
her. Yeah, I mean, it was bubblegum rock, but still.
Yeah, but you know when she was married to him for a while and
she was a do you recall, Well, you don't recall it because you're
younger, but you do know that there was like a Sonny and Share show.
You ever see clips of that? Yeah? I remember reruns of it,
Okay. Yeah. It was almost like a just like a skit comedy
show almost with special guests and performances. Yeah, exactly, And there was
a slew of those for a while, but they had a fairly successful one
for a bit. It was like heath Hall without the hay Seed, right
exactly, and then he Hall I still love. I'd get a huge laugh
out of those corny jokes. Belongs to the Rock Hall of Fame. He
aw, why not? Wasn't there like a group of women on there that
were like the heath Hall Girls or something? Hey, Buck Owens and Roy
Clark were on there too, man, I mean they were great. Oh
yeah, well again I saw that family guy saying and now here's Roy,
here's Roy. That was a nice And that's another thing that was before your
time too, So you had to be watching the reruns of that too,
right, I know it was still running when I was a kid. I
was a kid in the eighties, wouldn't there were two channels and you just
had to hope above hope that Reagan didn't have anything to say that day.
Jeez, yeah, that's right now. I remember that running in the seventies
and then stopping and back in the seventies. Here's another fun fact is that
country music existed on a couple of AM stations in the New York, New
Jersey area, and that was it. It was like two country stations that
like nobody knew where they were, They never made any real ratings, and
who the hell even knew about him except the one guy you'd run into,
you know, that was like the country guy who had somehow held onto his
cowboy hat because there was this weird resurgence of like the cowboy hat and the
cowboy. Look what movie was that? It was that porno movie, right,
the Ronstone Cowboy or Urban Cowboy. No, no, no, there
was a porno type thing. What was it with with Marky? Mark was
in it too, Bookie Knights, that's it. And there was a character
in there to the black dudes running around and now he's in a cowboy outfit
because it's stylish. Yeah, and everybody's like laughing at him and all that.
But there was like literally a segment of society during like during the departure
from disco era, that all of a sudden it was popular to do cowboys
stuff. And you just you just hit an interesting point for a segue to
you mentioned disco music. Yes, and Cool and the Gang is nominated this
year. See now again, some people would say they have objections to that
going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, But I gotta be partially
cool in the Gang. It's take a look at where they're from, Jersey
City. I mean I didn't know they were from Jersey City. I just
I just love Cooling the Gang. I mean I like to watch them perform
and everything. I just get a huge hooe out of cool in a gang.
And I like disco music. I know that sounds strange him from a
rock guy. That's almost purest and and I like the middle and you know,
as heavy as you can get. I still like it. But dis
yeah, not just because they're from Jersey but I love them and I used
to all the time on Short Attension Span DJ theater play at least part of
what is it? Uh uh? Not jungle boogie, Oh jungle boogie.
Yeah, I love that one too. That one is one of my favorites
because and that you can't tell me that that is not you know, even
though it is disco, it is also rock sounding, right it is,
and it's it had that resurgence hit the charts again even in the nineties due
to pulp fiction using it, and it was fantastic. The what Tarantino always
uses music almost perfectly in his field, right, and it's always reminiscent of
the time period. I mean, definitely clearly. In Tarantino's movies. There's
two things that are obvious. One he watched it a lot of TV and
movies in the nineteen seventies. But two also, he's got a foot fetish.
But outside of that, uh, you gotta say his music use is
always intense. And by the way, if you don't believe me about the
foot fetish thing, check out he admits to it. But check out some
of the ways every Tarantino movie there's always like, yeah, close up of
Uma Thurman's feet, close ups of Margot Robbie's feet, right, and and
intentional stuff going over whoever it was that was playing the one of the Manson
Girls. That good god is is does she get up on George Clooney or
does she get up on who was it? Brad Pitt? Right? I
think it's Brad Pitt, who's like the stuntman in the in that movie about
the seventies and was a time in Hollywood? That's it. Yeah, And
and of course the the the Manson Girls trying to hook him up and she's,
uh yeah, the whole thing with her feet going on, there's these
what things happening. Even Sharon Tate when she goes into the movie theater has
to take off her boots and put her feet up in front of the movie
that she's watching of herself allegedly, right, uh, you know Living Doll
by the way, Oh yeah, absolutely. And I mean look, I
would have never heard of Uma Thurman, guaranteed if it wasn't for pulp piction.
Same, absolutely the same. When I think of Uma Thurman, I
don't even think of the kill Bill Volume one, Volume two. I think
of you know, missus Wallace, miss Neil Wallace is who I think of
when I think of exactly, and I think she was, you know,
she just had a perfect She's a little strange looking in my mind, but
perfect look. But even during Kill Bill, uh, he focuses a lot
on Uma Thurman's feet. Okay, some of it goes some of it goes
with the plot. You know, when she's sitting there and she's been paralyzed
for a long time because she was in a coma. You know, so
there's that, But then again there's a whole lot of other you know,
clearly, uh, you know, a fetish stroke shots of her feet during
different things. Uh, you know, you notice the intensity of even when
what's that woman's name, ah, the Asian lady who is the who is
the head of the underworld, and then goes Lucy Lou. Yeah, that's
it, Lucy Lou. Right when she does her whole thing, what's the
big the big you know, the big build up is her taking on for
clogs right in the snow, getting ready to face her with the sword in
the as the snow comes down, which is a great scene all the way
around. He did the same thing with Bridget Fonda in Jackie Brown. Yes,
but see that's my point. Every one of Tarantino's movies go this way.
Yeah, and and she had dirty feet. I remember that scene.
Their feet were dirty man. Yeah, well they usually are. I mean
even when Mia Wallace first is introduced in pulp fiction, right, she walks
out, you're looking at her feet, yep, instead of her she talks
on the you know, on the intercom system inside the house. You know,
when she's doing the whole thing, you're getting warmer. You're getting warmer
disco gang. Yeah, and cool to see. That's the way it goes
anyway. So it's very clear that he watched a lot of you know,
kung Fu movies TV in the seventies, blaxploitation stuff. Uh. He definitely
got into that and certainly wasn't all about just keeping his culture white. Tarantino.
Uh. And speaking of white culture, we can now mention Foreigner and
my favorite Foreigners song. Yes, let's go into that because here we go
again and something that you would think has nothing to do with black culture at
all, uh, Foreigner, because I remember a time when there were still
guys trying to emulate Foreigner. Yeah. Yet Journey and I mean all these
bands I see is similar, like Journey, Foreigner, Sticks right, Boston.
You know, a lot of these is a similar genre in rock,
because, like you said, rock is a very splinter genre anyway, right,
But late seventies early eighties Foreigner inspired a whole bunch of guys who are
basically the foreigner genre of rock. Like you just listed them perfectly, and
that's where that came from. Everybody always goes, how did guys like Journey
or whatever? You know, what was it? Kansas? Yeah? God,
all that right, yea, so all that stuff. These guys weren't
necessarily pretty, but their sound was solid. I think the Last Dying,
you know, the death throws of it, the death nel of It,
might have been ready for this one. This will sound weird to you probably,
but Huey Lewis in the news. Was that classic rock, like fifties
sounding rock. Put Like, if you threw those two in a blender,
the fifties sounding rock and foreigner, you know, genre in a blender,
you got Huey Lewis in the news. You know what. I kind of
locked some of Huey Lewises, oddly enough. I mean I don't ever sit
down and just intentionally play Huey Lewis in the News. But no, but
if it comes on, yeah, if it comes on, I mean,
really, the harder rock and roll is not a bad song, and neither
was I Want a New Drug Man. That that was a cool song,
right, and that was the thing that was a breakout for him, and
you know, here we go again. But see, that's that whole genre
of you don't even got to be pretty. I mean, in fact,
I always laughed my ass off at the fact that that one Diehard movie,
one of the terrorists looks just like he should be. And you know he's
discount Huey from Huey Lewis in the news, right, yeah, I mean,
and that's hilarious. They even see family Guy brings that up too,
all right, I got a bear and a guy who looks like he's from
Huey Lewis in the news. Yeah, and he does. Well. So
what you're saying about Foreigner actually leads right into what my favorite Foreigner song is
to this day. If I play if that comes on the radio, I'm
turning it up and it's Dirty White Boy, Dirty White Boy. Well,
you know that makes the most sense of anything you've said about why it is
you like the songs you do. So maybe you can tell me it's that
that's like one of you one of your anthems at one point, right,
yeah, oh yeah, man, Can I can I curse for the sake
of the title of a song? Yeah, go right ahead. Okay,
there's this song out right. It's not very old and I'm trying to remember
the name of the band, but it's escaping me. But the name of
the song is Don't Fuck with Joe. There it is, and I love
it. See, And I was just my mind was just flipping through this
private conversation you and I had one day where you were recounting fights that you
had had. Yeah. Lord, every one of those hurt. Man.
I mean, you win a fight, you're still hurting. The next day.
I wish I had recorded that private conversation between you and me and released
it as a secret podcast, because Joe told stories for quite a while about
his fights and things he had been through with his friends and why it happened,
and people that were his friends and then weren't his friends, and guys
who wanted to pick a fight with him, and the amount of damage done.
Boy, this is how you have to surrender to the dirty white boy.
Uh, you know, the thought process has got to be. Of
course, dirty white Boy would be his thing, because that's that's like the
theme music for these stories. I almost wish I could animate what Joe was
talking about during this. Uh how long were we talking that day? A
couple hours, right, Yeah? Man, Yeah, I went on for
a while and you just kind of wound me up and let me go to
Yeah. No, I know this is hard for people to believe a listen
to the show, but I actually sat back and was like listening for at
least an hour. Yeah. I really got on a roll that day.
I remember being wound up recalling those things because you know, you always get
that adrenaline rush in a fight, and when you're recalling it, yeah,
you get a mini introversion of that. Well, this is why people always
go to the you know, remember when nostalgia story when they tell it,
is so that they can relive some of that emotion. They can put that
picture vividly back in their heads. I mean it is almost like a form
of magic. And let's go back to the discussion of the rock and roll
stuff and why it's significant see Farner. But but again, that's one of
those people that you would have thought, well, they already inducted Farner by
now, Yeah, I mean I thought surely. I mean, they were
like the pinnacle of what I consider arena rock, and they would have to
be a main staple of music at least forty years ago, you know what
I mean. Like Forarner, I mean, I know every band has reunions,
and the Stones are probably still touring, but you know, everybody,
when they have the height of their career and then a decade or two goes
by, I think they're eligible to go in right, And you'd think Farner
was definitely around long enough and had had its peak long enough ago that they
should have been in there. I'm much like I'm arguing Ozzy Osbourne. You
know, the peak of his career, his solo career would have been from
say eighty two to ninety two. That's the absolute peak of his solo career.
A decade and then you know, yes, he did have a career
after that. He kept releasing records and then he did the Sabbath reunion for
the next I don't know, fifteen years, because they reunited originally in ninety
nine and then continued to be reunited at least all the way to twenty thirteen,
seeming to tour off and on, and then they released a brand new
studio album called thirteen anyways, you know, so, but that was Sabbath
And okay, that's the twenty years of that career now in two different spots,
because from sixty nine to seventy nine, there's one part of it.
Sabbath got in deservedly. They grew a genre from themselves. But Foreigner also
grew a genre from itself. In my mind, yeah, they really did.
I mean, who would argue that Boston is the same formula as Foreigner,
that Journey is the exact same formula, right, or bansis or even
sticks to you know, it sticks with that weird way with their operas and
stuff. Yeah. Other than that, they fit that genre too, right.
So here we go a band that really, you know, is the
progenitor of an entire genre. Again, you would have thought would have been
in the hall, but not yet. Now they're going in. I think
I think Louke Graham just passed too, didn't he hmm, yeah, I'm
well, you know what, don't get me on who who just recently died
and who didn't? Because is there an in memoriam that's going to go on
this year? And I didn't go all the way down and I couldn't find
the list of the odd ones, you know, the ones where like you
really actually got to go look it up to figure out who the hell they
are on the list. I'm figuring B Pete might bring this up on Friday,
and I'm hoping he does. But if he doesn't, whatever, we
covered it today a bit. What ell who else is on that list?
Though? Again I mentioned Mary J. Blige. A tribe called Quest,
but I'm not familiar. I know I've heard of a tribe called Quest,
but I'm not sure that I've ever heard any of their music. Well,
and there's a weird thing, because you would have thought Foreigner would have definitely
been in before a tribe called Quest anyway. Oh yes, I mean a
decade ago, you know, and a tribe called Quest was influential in the
hip hop community in R and B. Yes, but they were one of
those I don't think they had that many albums. I'd have to you know
what, Maybe I should look that up before I say it, because they
seem to me to be almost like, you know, not the Beastie Boys.
But you know what I'm saying. They had a couple of albums maybe,
but I don't remember them having a lot of record releases even love the
Beasties. By the way, I always appreciate any mention of the Beastias.
And while you're looking at a trip called quiz, I'm going to assure your
audience that if you have given stats on Ozzy Osbourne, you can bet those
are accurate. There you go, Ozzie is Yeah, no, Look,
and I know his solo career, and I know exactly where he's been,
and I know what the controversy is. But interesting how over time the controversial
becomes the mundane. You know, I mean, Crazy Train is a car
commercial now, I mean you know, I mean and has been for a
decade already. And meanwhile, that was definitely the Devil's music because he was
the devil himself at one point, the Prince of darkness. Yeah, the
Prince of Darkness. Right. So let's see if I go to a try
Cold Quest and they must have an official website, right or should I just
go to their Wikipedia. Let's see try ATCQ they have that. Let's see
check the rhyme official HD video. Okay, see again, I remember this,
but I missed it. Yeah, I remember this, but I don't
remember them having the huge impact except later on they would become one of those
groups that was mentioned as a huge influence. Guy not deeply versed into any
music with rap, really, I mean I was always fond of dre and
snoop and pop back in the nineties, you know that that type of hip
hop. After that, though, I think I just went cold, went
all the way metal and missed a whole lot of hip hop. You know,
I still enjoy listening to Outcast if I hear them. You know,
the group is regarded as a as a as a pioneer of alternative hip hop
e merging jazz with hip hop. Okay, influencing numerous hip hop and R
and B musicians. Now that's the first first paragraph of the Wikipedia tells you
that. Okay, so it's not They were formed in Queens, New York
in nineteen eighty five, see what I'm saying. A tribe called quest is
formed in nineteen eighty five, right, Yeah, and Foreigner was on top
of the charts in nineteen eighty five. If I've been waiting for a Girl
Like You, right, which I think they said that was the song that
just ruined them as a band, because then everybody wanted ballads after that,
or was that I want to know what love is. But see, either
way, they are responsible for that power ballad. I don't know the power
ballads thing that. Remember the hard rock bands even went to that after you
know, like the whole oversaturation of corporate hairspray, you know, metal hairspray.
Every one of those hair bands had a power ballad. They all had
a power ballad. And why because the power ballad was marketable. How do
we know that? Because Foreigner? Yeah, for so probably billions of copies
of those two soft songs that I just mentioned. And then you kind of
forget when a song like that gets so big that they're responsible for songs like
Dirty White Boy, you know, you know, kind of like the weird
thing that Aerosmith's only number one song was that abortion from the movie Armageddon.
Yeah. Yeah, see, but Aerosmith again is one of those staple bands,
right that goes along with a genre. Although I've never known somebody,
I mean a lot of people say they like Aerosmith, but they're kind of
like the Scorpions of their day. What do I mean by that? Well,
everybody who liked metal or hard rock listened to the Scorpions. When the
Scorpions were popular and big, and they had some great songs, but you
know, there was sort of a one true pony. Uh the zoo.
The zoo is their stand out to me, that that main riff in the
zoo. And I don't like the Scorpions. I'm I don't like when I
can hear a European accent. Oh yeah, and you definitely can't get away
with that with Klaus mine at uh you Klaus is thick, and it's like
it's it's like trying to listen to that hair band Europe they called themselves,
right, right, but but the weird the accent just killed me. But
the weird thing is, think back to this, do you remember anybody who
was specifically a Scorpions fan. No, No, there never was, Like
just the guys like I just love the Scorpions, Like the Scorpions is my
band. You you had them all along with everything else. Like you know,
if you had a bunch of T shirts, you might have a Scorpion
shirt. You might have seen the Scorpions in concert whatever, but you didn't.
It wasn't like your number one thing. Uh never was. And that's
that's another think about this. Okay, So going back to a tribe called
Quest just really fast, apparently their breakout album, even though they were formed
in eighty five, their breakout album wasn't until nineteen ninety. Again, this
is, you know, fifteen years after Foreigner is massive as a grip,
So weird that they're being inducted at the same time. That is very strange.
I don't I don't understand their reckoning or who the board is that besides
these things, but well, and in between a tribe called Quest, well,
and in between a tribe called Quest's breakout. To give you an idea,
in between a tribe called Quests breakout album and Foreigner being an establishment already
established, huge supergroup, you could fit that whole you know, peak the
plateau that was Ozzy Osbourne's career in between those two times. Yeah, okay,
that whole decade eighty two to ninety two pretty much fits right there,
doesn't it. So isn't that funny? So we're saying this based on time
alone, a trip called Quest is questionable? Yeah it seems that way.
Not so we're gonna dub them now a trip called questionable. That's fine by
me. But okay, so who else do we have in the class of
twenty twenty four that we should comment on here because we haven't said much about
Mary J. And Mary J can do whatever she wants exactly, So you
know, that's just the way I feel about that. If she's in the
Rock Hall of Fame, even if her music wasn't rock, I don't care.
She's still Mary J. Blige, right, and she doesn't have to
die to get in there. No, none of that, Okay, So
it's all good. Mary J. Blige is fine. I know that.
You know, people will argue against the genre whatever, and like you said,
cool in the gang they might argue against, but I can't, so
you know, good luck to you. Have they ever put the brothers GiB
in? You know? I think on some level. Let me see.
And that's the weird thing about this too, this Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame. Like, forget about the one fan vote, because there's who is
the fan choice this year? Do you know anything about that? I haven't
seen. I have not seen who the fan vote is. Yeah, and
I know it has to have been done already. Let's see gave. I
think the last time we did this show took is when Soundgarden was inducted,
right, I believe so that sounds right because that was one of the things
that you were excited about. Like, just as I'm happy about Ozzie going
in, you're you were happy about that. I think, oh, yes,
because Chris Cornell is, you know, my hero as far as rock
vocalists go. Right, Okay, in nineteen ninety four, okay, one
of them was inducted. Let's see Beg's in the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame in ninety seven. It says, I guess wow, oh yeah,
okay, good. And they got their up and comings and they really took
a shellakin from the public with the back class against disco. Well and then
then you know what they did. They went underground. They wrote some huge
hits for other artists, and previous to that, they had a whole other
See that's the weird thing is they had three careers pretty much. Yeah,
I mean they were a knockoff Beatles basically a knockoff Beatles, good way to
put it. You know, they tried to escape that stigma, and that's
when they just started using his falsetto because he didn't always do that. They're
older stuff like to love somebody, He didn't do that. Falsetto thing.
Yeah right, we don't have that, you know, extremely crazy, but
that's probably where a ton of money was made because all of a sudden they
were big yep, you know. And then you have the John Travolta,
you know, a Saturday Night Fever and all that. You know, the
name of that song originally was supposed to just be Saturday Night. But once
they heard the song night Fever that the Beg's had, they were like,
okay, we're gonna put that in. We're gonna call it Saturday Night Fever.
There you go, there you go. I mean, they were a
cultural explosion and then and then it just turned so viciously. Well I never
really understood why. Well because look, then this this death to disco thing
started to happen, and you know, a lot of people that had like
the local rock clubs, because I remember when Twisted's sister was a local band.
They they really railed against all these clubs that were like, you know,
for the past ten years or whatever, they have not allowed rock and
roll in this place, and they just had disco dance and the disco balls
were still hanging. Matter of fact, I remember telling you a story about
playing at the fast Lane in Asbury Park and the guys from Nuclear Assault started
screaming that they wanted the disco ball to come down, which was funny because
that night I sold more tickets than Nuclear Assault in my PANDH. Yeah,
well, no, it's not awesome to me. It's sad because Nuclear Assault
was based in Jersey at that point and they just were not doing well.
They were getting a very small payment to show up and just nobody wanted to
hear from Nuclear st for a minute there. And I think it's because they
changed singers or some nonsense, or they let the wrong guy play guitar.
I forget, but man, I'll tell you you will. You will mess
up your core fan base by switching out members. I mean every time Motley
Crue did it, it was disastrous for them. Yeah, always a bad
idea to go away from the original four. Yeah, Motley Crue is like
the one though, that just couldn't do it. It has it had to
be those four. It's not gonna work. I mean, I don't even
think John Five's really I haven't paid any attention, you know why, because
it's the mix not there. Yeah, well, what was it John Krabi
or whatever they brought in as a vocalist, and you know, he wasn't
bad and I mean that was a pretty good album, but it wasn't Motley
Crue Hey, you know, speaking of classic hard rocket, you know acts,
you know Judas Priest. I think he's gonna tour this year, original
line up. Yeah, with Rob Halfred. Oh that is awesome, you
know, but he's bald, and he's got the big giant beard now,
but bald, Yeah, I've seen. Yeah, he looks like a big
biker dude. Yeah, it looks weird, but you know, tip of
the hat to the other singer whose name escapes me. But that song that
he did with them, Hell is Home. I love that tune well,
and he wasn't a bad look mechanically, great vocalist. But yeah, did
anybody want to see Judas Priest without Rob Alpert? No, just like nobody
wanted to see Motley Crewe without Vince Neil, Nobody wanted to see him without
Tommy Lee. And I'm pretty sure if the consent, if the consensus view
matches my own, nobody wants to see him with John five either. Yeah.
Right, I can't see that working out. And John five, let's
remember where he came from. Right, because he's a weird story in and
of himself. Do you remember where he came from? Did he come from?
Rob? I thought he was a Marilyn Manson guy? Yeah, Manson?
Okay, yeah, Manson, I was thinking Rob. I knew it
was one of those shock rock guys. Yeah. And what happened there is
that Manson had this whole thing like he had a Squiggy Ramerez or whatever,
Like he had all these people that were a combination, like he was some
sex icon combined with a violence icon name much like you know he's. Yeah,
the whole band did it until they brought in this one guy and they
decided they were going to break that habit and he became Johnny five. Yeah.
And I don't even remember what the reasoning was for it, because Manson
used to give these very cryptic sort of you know, answers the questions if
you interviewed them, he just say weird stuff and walk away, you know.
And Warner, Yeah, mister Brian Warner got me too, too,
didn't he. Yeah, that's what I hear. And I mean not a
surprise there, because there was a lot of weird stuff going on. I
remember now, you know, I'm all for you know, victims, riots
and everything. But if you're hanging with Maryland Manson, you've already taken a
chance. Okay. See that's the thing. I knew a girl. This
is weird. I knew a girl in the nineties who was like totally with
whoever that was Squiggy Rameras or whatever, the really Twiggy Rameras, that's it,
the really the really really skinny guy who always wore pink dress that one
yeah, I remember that pink dress from the Sweet Dreams video the most.
Yeah. And I'm not gonna mention her name, but she's the one who
got me backstage at the ospest the one year because she was sleeping with guys
in different bands, and she had been sleeping with a drummer of mine,
and I was like, okay, well I don't care what you do.
But she was just like, yeah, I can hook you up. Okay,
come on along. And I bought my ticket and waited for and she
got me in like toward the end of when people could go backstage. But
nonetheless it was okay. I was happy and I actually got to That's where
I tell you I met I met Marilyn Manson is from that particular show,
and that was like, you know, nineties, but it was fun.
It was fun, and he was definitely not being the weirdo that I had
heard on Howard Stern, not being the weird guy giving cryptic answers. He
was actually, you know, pretty much like we ended up seeing him in
that Fahrenheit nine to eleven you know movie. Oh yeah, that's when he
the verbal well, one of the best verbal jouts I've ever seen in my
wife. It made me kind of respect him. Bill O'Riley for his intelligent
response to Michael Moore, Oh, Michael Moore, of course. Michael Moore
asked him, if you could go back in time and you could say something
to these kids to change it, what would you say? He said,
I wouldn't say a damn thing. I would have listened to him, and
that's exactly what nobody did. Yeah, yeah, that's that's exactly the problem.
And it was perfect. And that was the kind of guy that I
was confronted with when I got to meet him. But he used to also
go around with this other weird act where it was like I'm out of it,
man, I'm totally you know, from another planet and kind of you
know, I don't know if you remember that, but he would he.
I think Howard Stern told a story where he's like, he walks up to
him at his birthday show, because Howard used to have these birthday shows once
a year, and you know, different celebrities would come in, they'd have
a celebrity band, and Marilyn Manson got invited. He shows up real late,
walks in, gives him a pair of like rubber underwear and just walks
up to Howard, hands him to him and says these are for you and
leaves and I'm like, that is exactly the kind of guy he was with
the press for like years, you know. And his point the big act,
the mixing of sex and violence, the natural born Killer's ideal, which
did he participate in that sound No, that's Trent Reznor doing that. But
Trent Reznor is also responsible for Marilyn Manson too, because there's a whole thing
where at the beginning of the career when they started to really take off,
Resnor's involved, and I think there was a bit of a feud between them
for a while. Anyways, we're getting ready for me. You remember the
trentsn David Bowie collaboration. I'm afraid allomera guns. Remember, Wow? Is
it that one? And that's another weird one? Right? And it was
strange? Yeah, but look, cross genre stuff is interesting too, and
I think it all belongs in the rocket. I say, to hell with
it. I mean, I guess I gotta stop arguing against Share. But
here we go. Share is in there, and I remind you again,
she's she's going in. I'm more opposed to Dave Matthews than Share. I've
got to be honest, all right, So let's close this on Dave Matthews,
because what the hell is Dave? I ask again, what the hell
is Dave Matthews? Uh? Kind of jazz, but kind of not.
I mean I don't and you know, I don't understand jazz anyway because of
the lack of form. But you know, I don't know. I guess
I just need a good dirty hook or it's that I'm going to catch my
attention, Ain't I thought of a good title for this show? Go ahead,
a tribe called Questionable. There you go, Because here's the thing about
Dave Matthews. I can't think of a single dirty hook in Dave Matthews.
Stuff I've heard can you nothing nothing, No, nothing at all. I
mean, And you know, Crosby Stills, Nash and Young they did folk
stuff and I loved it. And it did have that filth that I crave
somehow, See, it had a little bit of that dirt exactly. Now
there's an interesting place to go. Crosbie Still's in Nash or Crosbie Still's Nashing
Young. Either way, you have just guys standing there at a certain point
who could just perform with a couple of guitars and guys singing. That's about
as folk as you can get. And still there was a little bit of
dirt under that. There was a little bit of a little bit of greasiness
to it here and there. And even though I don't know, see,
I guess that was. And that's the other strange thing is, at a
certain point folk music was kind of in with rock too, and some people
would say that that's part of what's got to go in the blender to make
rock and roll. But a whole lot of the artists we just got done
mentioning have nothing to do with folk music whatsoever. But Dave Matthews, again,
I'm still having trouble. I mean, I don't even you calling it
jazz. Why jazz? Tell me why jazz? Because jazz is hard to
define as well, and you know, some of the harmonica parts are sort
of jazzy kindom. No, No, I'm not even gonna say bluesy.
That'd be such an insult to the blues because you know, I'm a big
blues guy. I love the blues, so you know, but I don't
want to call it blues, you know. And they's got horns and it's
kind of jazzy. And the keys, I mean acoustic guitar, so kind
of folksy too, but not either of those things somehow fair enough. I'm
looking up just something else to try and to close this out on, because
I have a thought and I want to make sure I've got my facts straight.
So we uh so we get through it because to me, mixing jazz
and rock is not Dave Matthews right, uh. To me, it's more
like a soul coughing, which was more of a noise band, right.
And their big hit was super Bond Bond, which I used to again play
that on Short attention Span DJ Theater. I love that song and it's got
a flow to it, It's got lots of dirt, it's got lots of
grease, okay, And it's from a noise band that's got a rhythmic bass.
Now see, there's where that rhythmic backbone comes in. That doom doom
doom, doom, doom doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom.
That is your your very basic tribal almost you know, sort of downbeat.
The bass players the unsung hero in every rock band. Well obviously, but
I mean, but just going back to it, to me, if you
were to say that there's like a jazz mix in here, I would say
that that's more like jazz because it is again, and I think a lot
of people call him a noise band or progressive noise rock and that's their only
hit. But they've had a lot of weird experimentation out there, and I
mean there's a bunch of bands that do experiment. Dave Matthews no experimentation though,
uh to me, no experimentation. Is there something I'm missing? Joe
No. I mean every time I think of Dave Matthews, I think that
goofy uh, what would you say? But you know, something about Doggie
on a chain and this and that don't bite the mailman. Oh yeah,
you're killing me. Is there a deeper meaning to the lyrics I'm missing here
or is he just you know, I don't know. It's like definitely the
white high school poetry magazine version of rock lyrics. I mean, not not
all that original, not all that I don't know. Dave Matthews band,
it's and they were super popular for a while for some reason. They still
can't figure out why. I mean, yeah, it kind of felt like
they were trying to ride the coattails of like Blues Traveler. Mmm. But
I loved Blues Traveler. I mean, I got nothing bad to say about
John Popper and Blues Traveler. Man, I thought they were great. There's
a bunch of bands there that really didn't have the staying power, although they
were around a long time and making a living, like like Blues Traveler,
like Spin Doctors, uh, you know, stuff like that, and they
came out, I mean the Spin Doctors, uh got famous with that one
cover tune, but for a long time they had a solid career. So
did Blues Traveler. But they were sort of almost one hit wonders, right,
and it's when you did a cover tune, Yeah, that whole Uh,
let me let you candle along because I'm so odd to handle Nolius.
You know that was the Black Crows, My man, Oh that's the Black
Crows. Sorry, no, the Spin Doctors. Didn't they do it a
cover? Also, I don't know. I only remember two of their songs.
One was called Two Princes and the other one was called little Miss Can't
Be Wrong? Okay, oh yeah, pocket full of kryptonide. I remember
that one too. And what was it she used to be mine? Right?
Maybe? Yeah? Okay, you know what I did. I just
mixed up the Spin Doctors and the Black Crows. See otis reading two.
That goes to show you though something right there, doesn't it. You know?
What I mean is that I'm mixing those two up because again, not
super discernible, but a whole lot more dynamic and dirty than Dave Matthews,
for Christ's sake. Yeah. Anyway, if the Black Crows aren't there,
they should be. I'm looking at the Wikipedia description is too funny because it
pretty much did what you just did. Two Princes and little Miss Can't be
Wrong? I mentioned right in the first sentence, Alternative Rock. Yeah,
that was the thing about the Spin doctors. Is that they were considered alternative
rock as well. Yeah, there was that whole thing post grunge. I
mean right, it was college alternative rock. Yeah, yeah, that kind
of morphed into your third eye lines and gin Blossoms. And I absolutely hated
that era of music, but wasn't correctly if I'm wrong, wasn't Dave Matthews
in with that though? Wasn't he popular alongside of that college alternative rock stuff
or no? Yes, I think that If not, it was certainly just
a very near precursor. It seems like that. Yeah, those things were
happening simultaneously, and I think that Blink one E two came out, and
yeah, I thought that they were watering things down. Well, see there's
your problems all in a basket. And the last thing is about fifteen years
ago, what was it? Middle aged moms were definitely into Dave Matthews.
So, I mean he could show up and still still make a living,
right, you know? You know, I don't think of him as a
musician though. I think every time somebody says Dave Matthews, now, I
just see his character in the Adam Sandler movie, just go with it.
But then again, you know, just like the guy who made uh you
know what was that, the one guy who did the Margaritaville song who died
not too long ago, right, uh yeah, I mean like he made
a whole career out of the one song. I mean there were cruises everything,
a whole genre built off of one song, right, yep, yep,
where it was what they called cruise rock or something beach rock. Maybe
I don't know, that would be the beach Boys. There was some genre.
No, yeah, beach beach was definitely the Beach Boys kind of thing.
And that was you know, Dick Dale and that kind of stuff,
Jan and Deine, Right, but no, this was but for a little
while there there was a Jimmy Buffett was his own like Margaritaville type genre too,
and he built a whole empire out of that. Yeah, so you
know, you can't. But the guy had excellent business sense apparently. Uh
and there you go, there's a one hit wonder that built the whole thing
out of it. But Dave Matthews to me, I don't know they I
just I put Jimmy Buffett in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame a lot
faster than Dave Matthews. I just got no use for him. It's it's
like, uh, you know Jesus Jones, why not put that in?
Oh man, I always forget about Jesus Jones right here, right now.
Oh my gosh. It's like it's like Faith No More got neutered, right
right. Faith No More is funny too, because Faith No Moore is one
of those bands that a lot of people sight as like one of the greatest,
one of the greatest, and they really only know one song, you
know, Green Jelly, Green Billy, which was initially Green Yellow until they
got sued. Yeah, that's why I didn't say Jello. I didn't want
to be copyrighting either, oh my god. And the funny thing is that
when they put out the repackaged video where because they did a video album that
went along with that, and everybody knows the claymation Three Little Pigs, But
they had a serial killer on their tu Ken Son of Sam you know,
Yeah, that was great. Though. They had a superhero named shit Man
h band that you can't really classify and I really don't know how to take
their name, but they had a song called Pepper in the nineties that I
absolutely love. Do you remember these guys. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
What the hell was the name the Butthole Surfers. That's right, that's
right. And they were an underground band, very successful for a long time
before Pepper dropped and then Pepper became a thing. I love that song too,
man, But you know, I never can't figure out what they mean
by that name. Are they buttholes that surf or are they surfing? Yeah,
I'm not sure either. But they were around, seriously, they were
like a punk band, and then that song came out, and I love
that song. By the way, I do too. I love it.
They're all in love with dying. They were doing it in Texas, and
they were doing it in Texas. I don't mind the sun sometimes, you
know, like, oh, I love that. I love that song.
But see, that's one of those obscure bands that's way more rock and roll
and more worthy than Dave Matthews. And if you're getting beat, if I
think that a band that calls themselves the Butthole Surfers deserves to be there more
than you, dude, you got no business there. That's it. And
by the way, that is our boat. The Butthole Surfers belonging to the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame before Dave Matthews. So Regular Joe and I
discussed rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the rock business as it may stand
or may not, depending I got this thing playing under me that I accidentally
hit. But we're gonna do the outro music now because I'm all done.
So this was just for fun. Regular Joe joined me, and I thank
you, sir, Hey, I thank you. It was a lot of
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